The Dividend Cafe - An Updated Outlook on Energy

Episode Date: September 16, 2022

It is not accidental that I write so much about the Energy sector. First and most applicable, we are big energy investors at The Bahnsen Group, carrying an allocation in our Core Dividend portfolio t...hat is triple the weight that the S&P 500 has. What is happening in energy markets has profound relevance for the economy at large, for all people in their everyday lives, and across all national borders. Few things are more globally relevant than access to energy. But if I am being totally honest, even apart from the large financial exposure we have to the energy space, I love this subject because energy fascinates me. It should fascinate anyone who spends just sixty seconds thinking about the fact that natural resources around for thousands of years with almost no known utility have created a more significant increase in the quality of life for more people than anything under the sun. “Transformed energy” sits at the heart of all economic activity, as my friend Louis Gave is fond of saying. You cannot destroy energy, which is both a law of the universe most of us learned in elementary school and, these days, apparently a vital message for investors. In the physical universe, it merely means energy is constantly changing – usually for the purpose of doing work – but in the investing world, I believe it means something different but perhaps not entirely disconnected. So let’s do a little autumn analysis of the energy sector, where we are, where we may be going, and see what may edify us in the discussion. Let’s jump into the Dividend Cafe … Links mentioned in this episode: DividendCafe.com TheBahnsenGroup.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Dividend Cafe, weekly market commentary focused on dividends in your portfolio and dividends in your understanding of economic life. Well, hello and welcome to another Dividend Cafe. I am sitting in the California studio today. I've just gotten back from New York City and have created a kind of special program today about the United States energy sector. It's a subject that we have addressed plenty in Dividend Cafe this year, and really for many years for those of you who have been following for a long time. And there's sometimes a tendency for me to think if I've covered a topic a few times already,
Starting point is 00:00:44 then just find a different topic. But this isn't a matter of beating a dead horse. This is an ongoing work in flux of a very pertinent subject to investors. You know, we have a certain special place in why we focus on energy because it's a large overweight in our portfolio management. When you look at the energy holdings in our core dividend portfolio, it amounts to about three times the weighting that the S&P 500 has in energy. And prior to this big shift in sector allocation this year, where energy is done real well and technology is done very poorly, we were about four times overweight in energy relative to the S&P. And so I can't recall a time in my career where I haven't been substantially overweight in energy. And yet,
Starting point is 00:01:40 since November of 2020, right around the time of the election in the latter portion of Q4, all of a sudden, the energy sector began. Initially, it was just a recovery out of what had been obviously an awful year in 2020 in the COVID year, but was the top performing sector in the stock market in 2021. was the top performing sector in the stock market in 2021, and has been not only the top performer in 2022, but basically one of the only positive performers in what has been a very negative year. S&P is back to down about 20%, NASDAQ down 30% or even more than 30%. And yet you have energy, which has really performed quite well. So it is one of those areas where it's worth continuing to revisit like, OK, that's great. There's been this nice run. It's been about 20 months, let's say. Year to date's been good.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Almost two years have been good. But is the opportunity extracted now? Has energy had its run? Now we need to kind of rotate into something different. And I want to make the argument that's not the case at all. So first, a couple anecdotal comments, and then I'm going to drill into, no pun intended, how we view energy investment. Energy is largely associated with fossil fuels. One of the big reasons for that is because fossil fuels are what provide the lion's share of the energy, the powers of the world.
Starting point is 00:03:14 But specifically, even within the fossil fuel conversation, we look at oil prices as heavily correlated to the energy sector. And I think it is very interesting to note that oil prices reached about $125 a barrel back in March post the initial Russia-Ukraine invasion. They came way down and then came back up to not quite $125 but 122, 123 in the summer. And then it began a steady decline. And as we're talking here today, there's somewhere around $85 in WTI crude oil. And yet the first time that oil had its big surge up, but then came down earlier in the year, the energy sector did have a bit of a correction. Stocks, upstream, midstream came down with it. Then oil rebounded. A lot of the energy sector
Starting point is 00:04:13 rebounded. And yet now as oil has come back down again to kind of low levels of the year, energy sector has not. And I think that behooves us to question why. And I want to give you an answer. I guess I'm willing out of humility to call it a theory, but I think it's beyond just a plausible theory. I think it is the actual case. You have had a significant amount of barrels of oil extracted from the United States Strategic Petroleum Reserves. This has been a governmental policy that has brought down our reserves from about 700 million to 450 million barrels, the lowest levels we've seen since the early 1980s. And you're talking about around 40% extraction from our total emergency reserves. That's allowed a significant amount of new supply
Starting point is 00:05:07 to come on at a time in which demand has been high and other supply has been inadequate to meet that demand based on less output globally, less output from OPEC+, less output from Russia, less people buying from Russia in this sanction moment around the Ukraine invasion. And then also the United States is still, even with the demand resurgence post lockdowns and post reopening, we're still producing a million barrels a day less than we were pre-COVID. And we were producing two or three million barrels per day, per day, less than we were. And so you have demand that is either equal or higher, supply that is not even equal, but in fact lower. And the SPR extraction has been intended to try to meet some of that. So then based on that dynamic, which has enabled prices to kind of come lower,
Starting point is 00:06:06 then based on that dynamic, which has enabled prices to kind of come lower, why would the energy sector this last time around not be reacting to potentially lower profit margins, a different pricing equilibrium? The United States government has not only extracted from strategic petroleum reserves. They have also committed to refilling those reserves. And they have not provided the exact timing and pricing details, but the market is well bid because the market knows that whether it's in three months or three years, or most likely somewhere in between, these producers are going to be getting the order to refill those reserves at favorable price levels to where things are. So you effectively have some knowledge in the market that is not with full clarity of detail, but with the awareness that there is going to be a
Starting point is 00:07:01 resurgence of that production to get inventory levels back to where they were pre this extraction. In the meantime, we don't even know when the extraction from strategic reserves is going to end. We do not see any waning demand and we continue to see supply challenges and various other elements around the world. OPEC plus is not looking to flood the world. other elements around the world. OPEC Plus is not looking to flood the world. They're loving the higher margins. There continues to be all sorts of geopolitical entanglements around Russia, what they're able to get online, who's willing to buy from them, what currency they're willing to pay. China and Russia may be cutting their own side deals. The Iran oil is offline. There's been concern of Iran coming back online. And I say concern not because we don't want more oil supply, but because a lot of us don't want a rogue nation
Starting point is 00:07:54 state actor that is rooted in terror and hatred to the United States and Western democratic values to be an economic force. And that's certainly what oil enables the Iranian jihadist regime to do. So there's plenty of reasons geopolitically to not want Iranian oil back online, but right now it isn't. So not only do I think that's a good geopolitical thing, but it puts another bid into oil prices. Okay. So all of this discussion around crude oil has first the isolated dynamic of what it means to US producers. We're underproducing relative to demand. And there's more demand coming when the government has to reload its significantly hollowed out emergency reserves. But then you say, okay, what could go wrong here? Well, look, $85 oil is an incredibly profitable spot. Could oil come even lower? I think it could under one particular scenario that I don't see as one of the more likely scenarios. But what gets you to 60 or $65 oil in the near term would be
Starting point is 00:09:07 a significant global recession that obviously erodes demand at a massive scale. So if you had that kind of demand erosion combined with the maintenance of current level of supply, then that could very well put downward pricing pressure. But of course, you would very likely see further decreases and diminishment of production if you had that kind of demand erosion. So I'm most certainly not sure we're going to have a severe global depression. And I'm most certainly not sure that if we did, we would have enough production, demand erosion and production maintenance to allow prices to come that far down. I think more than likely you'd see correlated production cuts that might maintain pricing power. But I don't want my thesis for energy investment to depend on a projection of oil prices. The only thing that I see professional investors do worse than predict bond yields is predict oil prices, most commodity
Starting point is 00:10:20 prices for that matter. But when it comes to crude oil prices, our thesis about owning some large integrated production companies with a global footprint that are integral to where we go with renewables and integral with how we continue to provide the world with enough fossil fuel, my thesis for owning the midstream energy sector, which we're going to talk more about in a moment, it cannot be correlated to a specific thesis on oil prices. But there is an asymmetrical reality here. And this is what I'm trying to say. The lowest probability event, I believe fundamentally, is massive global demand erosion with equal level of supply that allows oil prices to come down into the 60s. I think that's the least likely event and still not that bad. It brings oil stocks down, but they're not losing money. They're not missing out bond payments. They're not over levered.
Starting point is 00:11:22 They're not cutting dividends. It's just kind of what that worst case scenario could be right now in this profit environment. But are there potential $130 oil prices? Goldman Sachs came out this week with a target price of oil at $130. I've joked before that Goldman's track record has been almost a contrarian indicator. They haven't nailed where oil prices have gone, neither has anyone else. But my point is, what would economically be at the root of their belief that you're going to see $130 oil? Well, could the Russia bottleneck get worse? Could they cut off even further? Could OPEC Plus flex their muscle even more? Could knowing that there is downward pressure on incentive for U.S. production,
Starting point is 00:12:12 politically, environmentally, social, cultural factors, that for OPEC Plus to say, we're going to benefit from $130 oil more than the U.S. is. Ergo, this is a way for them to establish Middle Eastern supremacy over Permian Basin supremacy. I do not believe it will happen. I believe it could happen. And so there is a scenario of upside extreme that is really enhancing of oil production. Now, by the way, at 130, you will get demand erosion. You cannot have people buying the same level of oil at that price that you can at lower. So I see a very low scenario at the $60 range for the reasons we talked about. The higher range creates incredible margins, but eventually leads to demand erosion. But it's on
Starting point is 00:13:04 the table as a possibility around some of these geopolitical and macroeconomic circumstances. But then what's the kind of mid-level baseline expectation that is sort of in the middle of those two scenarios? It is where there is still supply challenges and still elevated demand, even at moderate normal demand. But because of the factors around Russia, OPEC Plus, and US production, that you maintain something in the range between 80 and 100. And that is not demand erosive. People are not going to buy less oil at 90. Now they will at 130, but I don't think 90 produces a substantive demand erosion and it produces a significant margin, a profit margin. Ergo, you have a most likely scenario that is quite good for oil. You have an upside possibility on the tail that is huge. And then
Starting point is 00:14:07 you have a downside tail that is not that bad. There is therefore an asymmetrical risk reward that I think needs to be understood. Now, the downside tail can affect sentiment. It could affect expectations and certainly produce some volatility in the pricing. But it isn't a substantive, fundamental issue that causes us to say this is a reason to be significantly scaling back exposure. Now, let's take away this entire dialogue about crude oil for a moment. I hope at the most simple of levels possible, I've at least walked you through the scenarios we see and why we maintain a bullishness in the present macroeconomic, in the present geopolitical reality for the supply-demand fundamentals of oil exposure.
Starting point is 00:15:08 fundamentals of oil exposure. However, I think you have to look at natural gas to really understand the U.S. energy investment opportunity. I mentioned that we are a million barrels a day underproducing for crude oil relative to pre-COVID. Natural gas is now back to pre-COVID highs. is now back to pre-COVID highs. Yet, instead of at $1.50 or $2 or $3, it's at $7.50 or $8.50 BTU. So you have massive margins with massive volumes in natural gas production. Well, could that come down? Of course it could. But the supply fundamentals remain undersupplied relative to demand. And demand is now not merely U.S.-centric, but global. We are exporting more than we ever have. Now, from 2016, 2022, our exports of natural gas are up 500%. We're five times the exporter of natty gas that we were. That's massive. And yet we're barely exporting any. Barely. It's our all-time high, and it's 500% what it was, but it is in early innings relative
Starting point is 00:16:21 to what it could be. Our pipeline exports used to be almost all of our exports. Now, liquefied natural gas represents about half of the exports of natty gas. That means we can ship it to Asia. Liquefied natural gas can be shipped to Europe. We need more terminals to export and they need more terminals to import. So the infrastructure is not in place to fully meet that demand and totally disintermediate Russia and other authoritarian regimes. But the fact of the matter is that we theoretically have huge upside in what we need on both supply and demand side of natural gas. It makes an incredibly attractive place to invest. natural gas. Makes an incredibly attractive place to invest. And then you look within our own economy, the number one factor people say puts downward pressure on the opportunity for
Starting point is 00:17:12 U.S. oil and gas assets is the ESG movement, the environmental movement, the move to convert to renewables, to get to net zero emissions by 2050, all of these things. Here's what I'm saying. Whether you put the birth of ESG as seven years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, the percentage of world power and US power coming from fossils not come down. Where it has come down, it's negligible. Carbon emissions have come quite a bit down. Natural gas is a far cleaner emitter of carbon than coal. Coal was around 50% of electricity generation 15 years ago. It's now 20%. Natural gas was around 15% of electricity power. It's now 40%. So Natty Gas has become more important electricity production in a world desperately needing
Starting point is 00:18:14 electricity. We have more opportunity for export, more countries that need to import from us versus either Middle Eastern or Russian opportunities or options. And we're doing so with more volumes being produced and more margins as pricing has stayed very, very heavy. You combine all of that along with an investment, along with, by the way, a realization that natural gas is not merely what is heating homes, which last I checked is very important, and not merely a power source for electricity generation. the petrochemical space, the natural gas and natural gas liquids is so involved in all elements of society that you have a really well bid demand characteristic and now ample supply and very little appetite to hurt supply and producers all doing so with a free cash flow
Starting point is 00:19:23 generation context. Previously, when we had a big increase in our capacity for production for post-fracking, there was negative cash flow dynamics with so much capital expenditures required. You're now in robust, positive, free cash flow generation. All of these things I'm sharing, by the way, have charts at dividendcafe.com today that I've provided for you to just visually see what I'm talking about. So you have ample opportunity for free cash flow generation that is both happening in the quarters behind, in the current quarters, quarters ahead, with volumes, with margins, with global dynamics,
Starting point is 00:20:05 all speaking to a continuation of this thesis. So then this brings me down to the midstream element, where whether we're talking about crude or natural gas, whether we're talking about transporting the needs for oil and gas within our own country, or prepping from the well to the storage, to distribution, to a terminal to export, the infrastructure needs that the midstream energy sector monetizes in our country are massive. Our thesis is that there is incredible opportunity for patient energy investors for the years to come. While we've had massive outperformance over the last 20 months, there are net outflows in the space. There's just simply not the sentiment that speaks to excessive bullishness and getting frothy in terms of valuations. The space is not as ignored and
Starting point is 00:21:09 left for dead as it was 20 months ago, but we still see great opportunity. We want to be selective along the way. We want to maintain a balanced allocation, but there is greatfree cash flow generation, a natural gas story underpinning it, a global realization that there is nowhere near the ability to disintermediate fossil fuels from world energy needs, a position of strength for some of the great energy companies to be investing in renewables for a continued diversification of energy sources. Myself as a fossil fuel investor have never bought into the idea that I'm anti renewable. I've merely said the most realistic statement a grownup can say, which is that renewables are not ready to replace fossil. But I love the idea of renewables coming up alongside fossil for an all of the above energy
Starting point is 00:22:05 policy, both not only on the policy landscape, but also for investors as well, where there can be profitable cash flow generative, all of the above energy investing. That leaves you to the final argument against my thesis, which is, well, yeah, that was all well and good until capital has been starved off from oil, gas, and so forth. You're talking about the need to get more terminals, to get more pipelines, to get more production. And unfortunately now from ESG and Congress and pension funds and other social or cultural dynamics, there's no capital available for the growth necessary for what is a CapEx heavy, a CapEx intensive sector like U.S. energy. And this is where I have to then come back to the
Starting point is 00:22:54 glorious reality of U.S. capital markets, where yes, a significant pressure has gone against public companies and large commercial banks and investment banks capitalizing the debt and equity needs of the U.S. fossil fuel industry. However, $1.1 trillion has come into the oil and gas sector via the private equity industry over the last 10 years. So once again, an incredible American innovation, U.S. energy production and independence, is facilitated by another incredible American innovation, private equity, that represents a financial or capital markets innovation that is, in this case, able to basically move the cheese as to how the sector is capitalized and invested in, which leads to greater productivity and greater growth. So I don't think there's going to be a
Starting point is 00:24:01 straight line for years to come. I don't think it's going to be easy. But I believe in this story. And I hope this is somehow around oil fundamentals, natural gas, the capitalization of how all this is going to be fed. I hope you see the basic theses we have around being a U.S. energy investor. Energy is not destroyed. Now, that's a scientific statement. That's a grade school level fact that energy is only transformed, never destroyed. But I believe the same is true of our financial energy investing dynamic as well, that we can transform some of the different
Starting point is 00:24:41 opportunities, the vehicle, some of the companies, there's M&A, there's evolution in the capital markets element, but you can't destroy it. You only transform it. We want to be there for that transformation. I hope you've appreciated the lesson here today in today's Dividend Cafe. Please reach out with questions, questions at thebonsongroup.com. Thank you for listening to, thank you for watching, and thank you for reading Dividend Cafe. There are a lot of charts at dividendcafe.com I'd love for you to go to and check out. And thank you for reviewing us, rating us, subscribing to us, and sharing us. And have a wonderful weekend. Go USC. LLC. This is not an offer to buy or sell securities. No investment process is free of risk.
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