The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 646 - Speenhamland and Nixon

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Comedians Gareth Reynolds and Dave Anthony examine the Speenhamland poverty reforms.  Tour Dates Redbubble Merch Sources   Squarespace 

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on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American History podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American History to Guy. Gareth Reynolds. Hey everybody, who has no idea what the topic's gonna be about. God, you wanna look who to do?

I'll do one bottle. People say this is funny. Not Gary Gareth. Dave, okay. Someone or something is tickling people. Is it for fun? And this is not going to become the Tickling Podcast. Okay.

You are Queen Fakie of Made Up Town. All hail Queen Shit of Liesville. A bunch of religious virgins go to mingle. And do what? Pray. Hi, Gary. No. Nicely done, my friend. No. No.

No. No. No. No, I said done my friend. Dave we should tell everyone how we are on we have Apple Plus an Apple Plus thing where we have reverse small ups and Not all of the second season right we're still have some to go of the UK dollops We still have some to go of the UK dollops. We still have to record some. Yeah. So, yeah, you could go there and there's a lot of great extras on there. And we encourage people to go there to listen to some more stuff.

Right. You are, Gareth. We would like people to listen to more stuff. 1533! 1603, in there somewhere. It's funny that I thought an ad was coming. That's really where I thought this was going. You had real ad phase. Okay, 1533? Mm-hmm. Okay. Or to 1603. It's a...

A time. Yep. Option. Walking time. Sure. It's Queen Elizabeth Reign in England. Sure. My people. Your lady. The old broad. The old, they call it the old broad, right? Not those of us who expected to live have some respect for the Queen. Oh, old sexy thighs. Queen Elizabeth. Things were tough then. So the first ever relief public program was created. Wow. Yeah, wouldn't think so. So she's not a bad queen. The poor law, all queens are bad. The queens. Freddie Mercury's queen. Okay, never mind. The poor law included two forms of aid. One was for the deserving poor.

Well, I'm already finding some issues with this. So the people who deserve it, the elderly, children, disabled, and they're put into all the houses. Yay. So they're put into sure they're put put away. Yeah. And then there's the aid for people who have been forced to work. They're called the idle poor. Sorry had to be forced to work. They're called the idle poor. I was a little confused. Okay, don't the there's the people who don't want

to work and then there's the people who don't work or they they're unemployed. So just the unemployed. Sure. And again, there are people who don't want to work and I'm one of them. I think we should be able to sit around and eat fruit. The best. So the only reason why work works is because you grow up and being told you're supposed to work. Because if it just started in your life, you'd be like, the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So it's assumed they don't want to work.

They're auctioned off to landowners and the government supplements their wages. Slavery? Well, you're getting paid. Paid slavery, indentured servitude. You're getting paid. You're getting paid. You're getting paid. So that's how they get around the slavery thing because the owner pays them somewhat

and the government will pay the rest of their salary. Sure. Because there's a minimum. Right. So it's like a UBI. So a bunch of years go by and this is the system. For some reason, it's not great. Huh? For some reason, it's not working out well. I don't know why. And then 1795 in England, things are bad. It's a bad time.

They just lost a battle to Napoleon in the south of France. Okay. Then there's a bunch of years of bad harvests, specifically wheat. And it's pretty stressful. It's a stressful time. Things are not great. Sure. There's no chance of importing grain from Europe. Grain prices keep going up.

And the price of bread is doubling. The French Revolution has been rolling along for years. It's freaking out the rich and powerful in Europe. And revolution's in the air in England. Sure. People are feeling a revolution vibe. So counties beg the privy council for wheat aid. The pretty council?

Privy. Privy, OK. That would be different. They beg them for wheat aid Like can we get some wheat action? Sure a little bit of wheat. Yeah, how about some wheat for your bro? Sure, can I get some wheat? We know you're not pretty enough No Wait, it's based on looks. Who else would like wheat?

Jesus fuck dude. Who's all the wheat? Who else would like wheat? Jesus fuck dude. Who's off the wheat? I just want to eat man. I don't know why I have to be better looking. We just have so much of it. We're bathing in it. So bread riots start breaking out.

Bread riots. Because people are hungry. They need food. They riot. Yeah. Death rates are rising up pretty quick. Things are hungry. They need food. They're right. Yep. Death rates are rising up pretty quick. Things are not looking good. Sure.

So the government has to do something. Kill them. Yes. Good. Now big farms are using the shortage to jack up prices and sell at huge increases. Taking advantage of the starving. What we call inflation. Yes, inflation.

But in reality, should be called price gouging. Yeah. Right. So this leads to some discussion of taking the control of prices away from big farms. They're like, should we These guys are totally out of their minds. Should we because there's rioting these guys are causing rioting. Should we do something? Of course, they didn't do anything, but they talked about it. That's is that's pretty I mean, that's That's pretty much what we do now and it's been going pretty good. Just kind of being yes, we should stop this fine Yeah, nothing better than what the of being like, we should stop this. Fine. Yeah.

Nothing better than when the president's like, you know what I don't like? How much money everything's costing you? And you're like, all right. It's like, for real. It's crazy. If only there was someone who could do something about that. You imagine doing something about that?

Yeah, Nixon froze prices on a lot of stuff during inflation. I'm a little sick and tired of these people thinking that they have rights over your body. Your body, your rights. We should figure out something. Just wish we knew a guy. What? You?

I'm a little fed up of these gas prices. As a matter of fact, I think we should switch to a greener economy. Let me know if you've ever met anyone who could do something. You just very frustrating to sit on the sidelines and watch everything fall apart. Jesus Christ,, bring down the price. Okay. But it's noted this gave quote, no nourishment to the human stomach. But it's also okay, fair. And I'm not trying to poke holes. But also, bread doesn't seem, I mean, bread probably has some nutrients in it but also bread doesn't seem I mean bread probably has some nutrients in it, but

Bread doesn't seem like a great. I don't know because I'm like as good for me Well, I think you know back then they're pretty much just hard dipping bread and mud and eating it like they don't have a lot Okay, yeah from like that. I'm out of poopy pancake What? I don't have a lot. Okay, like that. How about another poopy pancake? What? That's what we call them. Jesus. Yeah. No.

Welcome to the fair. No, I don't want that. Ha ha. That's the worst fair ever. Two for one poopy pancakes. Well, it's not really poop. It's mud. It's not really poop, it's mud.

It's mud. It's not really poop. It's mud. So they talk about mixing in grains, barley, rye oats, pea. They all. Okay. Harvest peas. I've had a piece in this one. Sorry. I've had a piece. All right. How you liking your new bread when it's new treats off pissed in this loaf You like him back. All right You know what? Let's eliminate the middle man. I'll just piss in your mouth and toss a bit No, you know, it's not what I'm looking for saves all the refinement and shots of like that. Yeah, go on I just I just want open your mouth red. Yeah, you're gonna have it the old-fashioned way your mouth's the other night Yeah, you're gonna have it the old-fashioned way your mouth's the other night Bakers can use all those. I found a man. We can piss it. Just tell him he's making bread. No

Are you yeah? All right cats out the fucking bag. It wasn't actually bread. We was making in your mouth I was just having a piss and I tossed a bit of bread in I Don't think it can hear me now, but I've pissed a lot in his mouth. I can hear you. God, I'm really not a fan of this guy. Not you. You're really loud. Another guy. I was talking about him. You're very loud.

Even though I said it was another guy. May I say something? Why, what? Hello, governor. Ah, I've. Stand by it. All those things aren't popular in the bread. People want white bread. That's what they want.

They want white bread. Sure. And when they made this kind of bread from other things, it's the poorest of people who are eating it, right? The rich keep eating white bread. Right. Or just pick another kind of food. So there's a lot of discussion over whether or not the price hikes are due to bad harvests. Many thought it was the middlemen and hoarders who had caused

the crisis. Sure. And in the area of southern England in Spenamland. Spenamland? Spenamland. Spenamland. Spenamland. Spenemland? Spienemland? Spienemland? Spienhamland? Spienhamland? Don't think it's Spienhamland.

Magistrates gathered at the village inn in Spien. Spien? Spien! Are you saying Spain You say it's Spain or Spain? Spain. Alright, Spain, S-P-E-I-N. S-P-E-E-N. Spain England. Spain. So these people are done with the whole situation and at this meeting they decide on radical reforms to help the poor. Cost of living aid. UBI.

The earnings of quote, all poor and industrious men and their families would be supplemented and it would be at a rate fixed to the price of bread and paid out per family member. Okay, great, that's great. Great, fix it to the price of bread, that means that no one's gonna starve, right? Yes. They're gonna get money. Yes. The no one's going to starve, right? Yes.

They're going to get money. Yes. The bigger one's family, the more money they got. In part, quote, when a gallon- That JD Vance theory. When a gallon loaf of bread cost one shilling, every poor and industrious man should have his own support three shillings weekly. A man got enough to buy three gallon loaves,

which is eight and a half pounds of bread a week, plus one and a half loaves for other members of the household. Sure, that sounds great. I just am in love with the idea of measuring bread in gallons. Yeah, no that's- Big fan of- Absolutely.

It should be- Mashing bread into a gallon bucket. Yep. And one gallon of bread, Fred. I've had a quarter gallon of bread for my tea. All right. There you are. Have a gallon.

Just like on buckets like you're coming back from the well. Got four gallons of bread. We're pouring here. It's a liquid as far as we're concerned. How many liters of jam you got? They tie it to the price of bread and milk, right? So it catches on quickly across the South of England. It's a great success because people are not starving. Hunger hardship decreases. And suddenly, there's talk of revolution in the south of England. Yes What people who eat a lot of bread are not motivated to start a revolution like oh cut that bread weight. Oh take a nap

What about revolution right now? Well calm for about a gallon of bread a gallon of bread. So of course there are the people who very much question the idea of helping the poor. Yes, they're called the people who aren't poor. Yes. Ten years before, a vicar, Joseph Townsend, had written in his dissertation about the poor law, quote, it is only hunger which can spur and goad them on to labor. So funny. Yet our laws have said they shall never hunger.

I love that it's a vicar. It's so, that is, I mean, you still hear versions of that fucking argument. Yeah. It's just like, well, if they get money, they're not going to be motivated. Unemployment makes it so they don't want to work. Yes, yes. We just had that during the pandemic,

when everyone got high unemployment amounts. And they're like, well, then they're going to sit on their ass. Oh, they all blame that. They blame that, all blame that. Like they blame that. Those two checks, blame those two checks for around five years of issues. Is those two checks? Those two checks showed people that if you just sit home and pretend you're tired, people

will give you enough money to buy a bong and fill it. Meanwhile, politicians got so goddamn popular, like whoever was writing checks, people were like, oh, that's awesome. And then they were like a year later, they're like, well, we removed all of that and now everyone hates us again. Yeah, it's weird. I can't understand what happened. What was it that was with it? So there's another clergyman, Thomas Malthus, and he went even further in 1798 stating the two main problems first people need food to live and second people can't stop fucking and making more people

right. Well, can't wait to go bitch. Yeah. The math being population growth starving would always come from more food production. Okay. The more you feed the people, the more fucking they do and the more babies there's going to be. And we want that. He doesn't want that. He thinks it's bad.

He doesn't want that. Right. Okay. So he's basically saying starve them of food and then no- Well, because if you give them food and then they fuck them, they're going to want more food. Yep. The more there are, the more food they need. You can see how this could become a nightmare. Yes. Yes. It's a numbers game. Food is like an exclusive club. Thank you. Of course, abstinence was

the only thing that would stop the apocalypse according to Malthus. The apocalypse includes famine. He wrote that at this moment England was on the verge of great death such as the black plague that had killed off half of the people in England. But it's because of poor. Yes. Well, poor aid. Like the poor aid. Yeah, right.

Because of eliminating the poor. Yes. If you give the poor money, it's like the plague. Yes. Yes. If you give the poor money, it's like the plague. Yes. Yes. Cool. Basically, there's a bunch of shitty arguments against helping the poor. And they're all being made because it's going to ruin everything. And this new system out of Spain, which is known as the spin of the system would just lead to people marrying and screwing and making tons of babies. Economist David Ricardo said with this basic income, they would work less, which would

mean less food was harvested and that would lead to a French revolution type situation. I'm not trying to timestamp this episode, but this is essentially JD Vance's entire position. He's just like, the more kids you have, the more money you have to take care of your kids, then you'll keep making more babies. So, good. He's anti- By the way, studies have proven this all

to be total bullshit. It's not reality at all. Yeah, I know, I know. Doesn't seem to. Ricardo also recommended a return to the gold standard which was then done which then led to price hikes and more poverty so this guy is saying that How much did they how much of they are they actually in earn is trying to solve the problem of poverty? I think they I think that well, I don't know about the problem property

I think they just don't want to give up any money to poor people, but I think that, well, I don't know about the poverty, I think they just don't want to give up any money to poor people. But I think that- Right. So very- Yes. So probably very little. Yes. Yeah.

Doesn't really care about the poor. Yeah. So this goes hand in hand with industrialization, which also causes more poverty. Right. And then the Spinninland system is not adopted across England. It's just in the south of England. Well, that's smart. It was working, so I don't know what you would...

Right. It's just in certain locations, but the rich and powerful still use that system to vilify the poor, the old poor law. So they use this thing happening in little pockets to attack... To be like, this is all of our problems are being caused by Spinnin. Yeah. If you can imagine conservatives doing that. Nope. In the summer of 1830, an uprising breaks out and thousands of workers are shouting

bread or blood. That's a great slogan. That is good. Dave, I'm sorry. I just want to point out that this is an American History podcast. Yeah, we'll get there. At some point, I'm going to need to see some America. So I'm spending a lot of time abroad.

Oh, I know. We'll be there for a little bit more. So there's writing in South and East England, they destroy landowners harvesting machines. They're demanding a living wage. They attack workhouses. They're mad at tits and went after tits barns. Tits. Tits.

Tits. Tits for the list. Tits barns. Yep. So when they're attacking workhouses and destroying machines, those are Luddites. Yeah. Okay. Luddites. Yeah. Okay. Luddites wanted a working wage.

People are always like, they're just against technology. No, they wanted a working wage. That was their underlying. As you can imagine in our world, it's been reframed to what it is now because, yeah. Yes, because that serves the billionaire class. Mm-hmm. First, they sent a letter, these people demanding, they sent a letter that was signed by Captain Swing, which is a made-up guy and a threatening name.

I like it. I also picture him in an orgy. He's like a buccaneer, but of sex. He's like a fucking ear. Just like Captain Swing just there like, I remind you if I have a bite of your wife's arse. Captain Swing not now. By the way, I heard Captain Swing has genital herpes. Yeah, I do. Oh, Christ. Let me give it to her booty. Well, that's how I got the anal herpes. Look, look at it. My lower region looks like a treasure map.

Look, I look like a rashy archipelago. Stop. Come on, have a look. And by the way, if you want to find where their treasure's buried, just let Captain Swing have a bite. I'll do cock, I'll do purse. Okay, I'm into everything.

I know you are. Put me in a tarp and I'll try to find a. I'm into everything. No, I know you are. Put me in a tarp and I'll try to find a way to fuck out of it. Captain Swing, no. So the letter. I think Captain Swing heard about the orgy. Hello, I heard fuck steps. Let me inside.

Did you say fuck steps? Yeah, I like footsteps, but those people who are fucking. Oh, you have acknowledged my presence, therefore I have every right to come in and have a swing. Oh, Christ. I brought my wife. I'm kidding, I don't have one. So the letter from Cactin Swing has demands.

If not met, they say violence is going to come. OK. So they go to village, village to village doing this, and the violence was often blamed on agents sent from France who had the revolution, a new revolution going there. They're still doing their thing down there. And the workers, again, they just want a minimum living wage and the end of unemployment. So the common belief now seems to be that, oh sorry, I jumped ahead.

I have a little thing about low nights here. Oh, okay. Low nights basically just didn't want workers to suffer. Right. So, authorities come down hard. They come down really hard. They're arresting and they're jailing. 2,000 people are tried.

480 are transported to Australia. Others are sentenced to death. What are you root for? I don't know. I don't know. One guy got death because he knocked the hat off the head of a guy in a big banking family. Worth it. Yeah.

Worth it. Also, just like as a big bank, just they're so fragile too. It's not only that they have all the money, they're also just the biggest weaklings. Hey, he's knocked my hat off. That's it. Put him in the death pile. So in 1832, the government launched a national inquiry into rural working conditions, poverty and the Spenumlin system. This was the largest government survey that ever been done. Hundreds of interviews, tons of data compiled, a 13,000 page report is produced.

It all concludes that the Spenumland system was a disaster. It's so great. It's just so great that for so long, these like little inquiries have just been like, and believe it or not, we find in the direction of the wealthy. The thing we found. Yeah, it's we, we've put a lot of work into it. And what we found was that are helping people are hurting everything.

So yes. Yeah. Boy, we wish it was the other way around. That's crazy. Yeah, boy. We wanted to go. Oh, yeah. We were rooting for one side for sure. We got so we're not going to give you anything.

Well, we can't. I mean, if we give you something, then all chaos breaks out once again. Bankers get their hats knocked over. By the way, Captain Swing was we don't even even... That was really awful.... last night and we don't even really... Yeah, a lot of people got fucked. I'm ready to fuck and don't think that I'm taking it. Of course I get consent. I am not some sick freak.

I just like people who are taken, man or woman. When you say you are into taking it yes consensually that's really the term of a fucking ear I'm taking it because it's mine the booty no no I'm saying yes no they say yeah don't frame it like that I've been in my youth there were accusations that have followed me for a long time and I'm not going back to those I always get eye contact and an affirmation. Don't even start painting me in that corner again. You sound like a pirate I have peg legs and I'm wondering about the pegging You're taking it in bizarre directions. I'm not pegging anyone with a loss. Sure, one of my legs is gone.

Sure, it's a phallically shaped item at this point, but I've got other things that I could put inside of a man or a woman that be on the leg. And if someone were to ask for it, I'd surely consider it, but I would suggest having a good sanding before we do that. Putting it in ain't going to hurt, but the retrieval is like cactus darts. Okay. Did you understand? Yeah, I got it. Are you married? No, I'm here to read this. What are you doing reading a little story? What are you reading?

What are you reading? It's a story about history. It's about England. What is it? It's about England and what is it? It's about poverty and why do you read it? I read it to a guy who then does like weird character stuff. So you research this whole research this whole thing. Yeah. And then you go read it to some guy who what is his part? He's worked hard on getting ready for the part he's playing. He doesn't do any. He just shows up.

So you spend hours and hours most likely working on something of this nature. That's his part. He's worked hard on getting ready for the part. He's playing. He doesn't do any. He just shows up. So you spend hours and hours most likely working on something of this nature. And he shows up. Yeah. Talk about a non-consensual fucking. And then he gets to go and do comedy on tour and I can't mostly because I'm working on this stuff. That's why.

That's your reason. One of the big reasons. Yeah. I've heard there's multiple reasons. Now I feel like you're different from your initials. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace, of course, an online website domain. Domain. Juggernaut. Business builder. Juggernaut's good. Yeah. website domain.

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play. Okay. So, um, so they blame it all on, on the speed on the system. Of course. Um, it's, population explosion, lower wages, more and more reality, and basically a deterioration of the working class. That's what the big report says. Right. This leads to the Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834, which prohibits supplementing wages

of full-time workers. Supplementing... So the government can't pitch in. It's quite an addendum. Yeah, the government cannot give any money to... Full-time workers. Yeah, basically, helping the poor is the problem. I mean, that's what they're saying, right?

Yes. Once the basic income was repealed, they wrote that the poor worked harder, had frugal habits, wages went up, they didn't get into bad marriages, and their moral conditions improved. worked harder, had frugal habits, wages went up, they didn't get into bad marriages, and their moral conditions improved, like magic. Not all of that can be true. None of it's true. Okay.

So, all this is done, all that was done before the report was written, pre-planned, the report, everything is all pre-planned, most of it is written before the data was collected. The questions given to workers were very leading, like quote, with the answer choices all fixed in advance. So the whole thing is the whole report is just a setup. Like it's like we thought, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's bullshit. No, it's like any well, that's also I mean you see it all the time. Anytime like a cop investigates their department or anytime the government does investigates themselves, you'll find that for the most part, it's never their fault.

Yeah, it's the fault of the others. Yep. And even then, most of the people that they actually interviewed were elites, not workers, particularly clergy, who believed the poor were just becoming more wicked and lazy. But this report leads to a new draconian law that establishes workhouses all over the place. So the commission secretary, Edwin Chadwick, is described by another commission member as someone who was skilled in getting witnesses to say what he wanted. The royal commission report was widely circulated and for ages is seen as the authoritative source on social science. The first time a government had gathered data to make an educated decision on such a complicated

and widespread subject. And it's just totally bullsh- It's total bullshit, but the people use it for years to go, well, what about the- Well, what about this though, remember? Wait, 1,300 pages, 1,300 pages. Even Karl Marx would condemn the system based and based his take on the report. Wow. Everybody just believed it was true.

He said it kept wages too low, though he wanted to totally overthrow the system. So that makes sense, right? Yeah. Regardless, pretty much everyone is now against the Spina Munda system, and it's the perfect example of a government program that had created hell on earth to all these people.

Like this is what happens when you do UBI. Yeah, they start fucking and whoo. But recent research shows the opposite. The system was very successful. It turns out Malthus was wrong about it leading to more kids. People had kids because they were basically their pension. That's why they had kids. So someone who could take care of them when they were old, right? That's why you had kids. And economist Ricardo was wrong. There was no poverty trap as it was his own idea. Returning

to the gold system is the thing that created the poverty. So he is the one who did it as well as industrialization, which is why workers attacked Threshers during the swing riots. Yep. Man, imagine if they're actually swing riots. Oh, can you imagine? Oh, that would be the best. Oh, imagine.

My second leg gets hard just thinking about that. And keep in mind, I only have one full leg, so my second leg would be insinuating that I'm talking about. The other leg is in me. The other leg is the one betwixt my legs. So between 1790 and 1830, there was much more food being produced, but fewer could afford it. Great.

That's great. Grain. Grain. Grain. So the new system in place is actually horrific. Poor people were forced into slave labor that was pointless, like breaking rocks. Rocks are walking on treadmills. It's just work for the sake of work.

Was a job? Well, just because they wanted people to work. Even if they... But the breaking rocks is... It wasn't enough work to go around. So they made them... So, I mean, I don't know if I've ever heard of a more pointless existence than for actually no benefit of anyone.

You're just given a pile of rocks to break. And this is probably before you were able to be like, I think this is useless. But you're just like today, down at the rock breaking factory, took a lot of rocks, got them smaller. What was that? You got stuck out of breaking rocks. You didn't hear the second part, walking on treadmills. Well, what does that even mean? It's like a rat in a fucking wheel. What do they have, a Nordic track? So they just literally hamster them?

Walking on treadmills all day just for no reason. And the thing that's such a fucker about that one is there was probably a way to make that useful. Yeah. There's probably a way to generate some sort of, you know, turn a windmill. Yeah. Something was turned by you doing that, but instead they're just like, go ahead. In workhorses, husbands and wives were separated and kids were taken away from parents. Women were starved so they wouldn't get pregnant.

This system allowed employers to keep wages incredibly low. Boy, it really makes you mad at speed for fucking this up so bad. I know, but they were trying to help. I know. No, I mean, of course. But this is this is exactly what happened during the pandemic. They gave people money and then all of the rich. When I started to get. They were like, we got these, yeah, they got mad.

They demanded a recession and then they raised all the prices. Well, and when you started pushing back asking why work in person was necessary, you realized they really didn't come up with a lot of good rationales other than we just want to watch you do your work. So it's all good. And the lie of the spin on system helped keep the idea of a free market being the way to go. Yes.

Right. Right. So the system was actually an effective way to address poverty. According to Cambridge historian, Simon, Zerot, Zerot, Zerotter, Zerotter was the key to England becoming a superpower. He believes by boosting workers' income, security, and mobility, England's agriculture industry became the most efficient in the world. Right. Good work.

So in the 1790s in Agrarian Justice, Thomas Paine wrote that because private land ownership deprived people hunting, gathering, fishing, farming, they were owed compensation, which would come from the taxes on land rents. Right? So he's like, you own this property, meaning you take away the land for people to use. So you have to give back to the community. It would be paid a large cash grant and maturity and a retirement pension. Not UBI, but close to UBI.

You're getting closer to UBI. Then English radical Thomas Spence said, let's have a higher tax on land and a regular unconditional cash income for everybody. Yes, great. Very UBI. So it's more UBI, right? UBI. But it's an obscure proposal.

Spence was poor all his life, born poor, died poor. There's other similar takes. Joseph Chardier in 1848 and then came Henry George. In the 1900s, people started getting on board. And in 1920, English Quaker Dennis Milner published what is probably the first book on UBI, higher production by a bonus on national output. So it's coming around again. But it sort of seems like it always does because, I mean, we just went through, you know, one in last century where it was very much put money in the pockets of those who need it. And that is going to go right back into your economy immediately, as opposed to let the

super wealthy benefit as much as possible, like the trickle down economics bullshit, which just gets kind of zombie doubt every couple of years, like it actually worked at one point, which it never has. But it is such a mental fucking disorder to want to have more than you'll ever need to want to have that just to hoard it just because like who would not sacrifice land that they will never see or benefit from in order to make the places they live in and they actually will be around a happier existence. That's why it's a mental disorder. Jesse Ventura, who said some shit that's obviously fucking crazy was on CNN over the weekend talking about some shit.

And he was just talking about like letting anyone make more than $12 million a year is absolutely fucking crazy. Nobody should be able to spend a million dollars a month. So then what are you even doing? It's just totally crazy. So, people are discussing it now, you know, then the depression comes and in 1934, Huey Long starts a program called Share Our Wealth. He wasn't the kind of guy who was influenced by arguments in the UK or what had happened, you know, 100 years before, 150 years before.

So he probably came up with this on his own. Long could have run for president, but he was assassinated. He was also incredibly corrupt, but he did spread the wealth. After World War II, most democracies built up their welfare system, though conditional. And the idea of a UBI was still percolating around a little bit. And in 1964, LBJ declares a war on poverty. I love how even when we're going to solve stuff, it has declares a war on poverty. It continues to be. I love how even when we're gonna solve stuff,

it has to be a war. Yeah, I know, absolutely. Like that we're so conditioned to war being like the only way to solve things. We're just like, we're fighting a war on drugs. It's a war on poverty. I can't wait to fight a war on war. No, we're not gonna do that.

I know, but if we did. It continued to be a political issue under LBJ during his entire term. Obviously, there's a lot of pushback from the right to expensive, et cetera. In 1968, five very well-known economists wrote an open letter to Congress. In a front page New York Times article, they stated, quote, the country will not have met its responsibility until everyone in the nation is assured an income no less than the officially recognized definition of poverty. They said it'll cost a lot, but it will be absolutely doable. 1200 economists

signed the letter. Great. And that's how it started. That's how we got the UBI that we currently live with. Yeah. That's where we're basically living in the Star Trek universe. Yep. Where everything, where we're surrounded by plants and the Amazon's okay. So it led to President Richard Nixon pushing his family assistance plan, which was to replace

the current assistance plan. The right saw welfare as too expensive and Nixon thought working class conservatives would support it because it would benefit them. So he's like, well, yeah, if we dole out this money, then even the conservative poor will get on board and then we'll be good. Yes, but he doesn't know the southern strategy doesn't work without racism. So the plan is to give every poor family of four with no income $1,600 a year, which is about $11,000 today, plus food stamps on top of it. This would decrease as income increased up

to 20,000, and then no one would get it. Right. Canada's having the same discussion, their government put out favorable reports, people started to see this. It's like inevitable. People are like, this is totally going to happen. I mean, the Republicans, Nixon's on board, like, quote, for a short time, many people saw some kind of big, that's a version of it, as inevitable and as the next step in social policy, a compromise everyone could live with. So the White House does a poll and they find out 90% of newspapers are pro unconditional

income to all poor families. So they have the media on their side. So excited to find out how exactly the bottom drops out. Because you're teeing it up very, yes, you're making quite a case for why this happened and we don't have it. The Chicago Sun-Times called it, quote, a giant leap forward. The LA Times, quote, a bold new blueprint. Churches are in favor.

Unions are in favor. Even the corporate world is in favor. Everyone's on board. But to do so, they have to have some trial runs. Tens of millions are set up to give basic income to 8,500 people in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Iowa, North Carolina, India, Indiana, and Seattle. Yeah, we give money to India.

It's crazy. It's not fair. We want to make sure that the Indians get to buy a piece of this pie too. Seattle and Denver. Seattle and Denver are the most generous of all these. This is to be the first ever large scale basic income experiment. Okay. Researchers want to know if people would work less if getting guaranteed income, if it would be too costly, if it worked politically.

So Martin Anderson is born in Massachusetts to a dairy farmer and a nurse. Great combo. Humble, yeah. He's a top student. He gets a scholarship to Dartmouth. He gets a degree in engineering. Why do I feel like I'm going to hate this guy real soon? He gets a master's in business.

Here we go. He studies economics at MIT, and he becomes an economist. Here we go. Which is not a thing, a fake job. Right. He met and married another conservative economist. They campaigned for Barry Goldwater in 1964. Who, for those of you who don't know who he is a great guy

great guy, what a guy real good guy and Great guy great. No, good. Not a problem with what he was doing or saying Awesome real good He took a shit and that turned out to be Reagan People don't know that. Then after- He made brown water. After campaigning with Goldwater, he took courses at the Nathaniel Brandon Institute. It was founded, that institute,

to teach the genius of Ayn Rand. Oh, for fuck's sake. This guy was basically like the Ivan Drago of like how to tank socialism. There Martin became friends with Rand, a free market jerk off Queen who died taking social security and using Medicare. That's gotta be the best part. I mean, can you imagine how just the joy to deny her those things, what that would have been like? Unfortunately, you're so against these.

Sorry. I'll have a piss in her mouth. Yes. No. Okay. I'm incredibly old now, by the way. In 1965 at 28, Martin is one of the youngest teachers to receive tenure at Columbia. If you're conservative, everything's so fucking easy. It's so fucking easy. Yeah. It just is. Yeah. In 1968, he was a campaign advisor for Nixon after he worked as a special assistant.

So when Nixon was about to make a public announcement about his UBI plan, Martin Anderson got involved. On the day of the announcement, the day of the announcement for UBI for America Martin Hans Nixon a six page briefing about the speed and speed. Oh now speed He's he breaks down he breaks it is a breakdown of the Let me walk you through some lies from the 1700s that ought to dissuade you from doing this. It's a fucking summary of the bullshit report

that they cracked out. I had no idea that Spine had fair. Wow, talk about a ripple effect. Spine did a lot of damage. It was called the short history of a family security system. No announcement was made that day. Is there a better way to fail than by being like, I just tried to give you that's that I just tried to give you money to live on. That's what's so that was another thing that

was so fucking funny, not funny, terrible about the stimulus checks was watching regular people who receive them being like, we can't afford this. The United States can't afford this. Yeah. And all the fucking rich people got the PBE loans. Yeah. And they can afford those. They wish they didn't go as public though. That was like a few months later. It was like, what?, what? It's just, it was a different time. I needed 120. We should have gotten one.

Yes. I mean, now looking back, like, yeah. Oh, if our names appeared on that, that would have been funny. Oh, hilarious. So the report says the Spina Lina system led the poor to be idle, decreased productivity and wages and threatened capitalism itself.

Good. It was taken from excerpts by a conservative sociologist who said the system led to, quote, the popperization of the masses who almost lost their human shape. Oh, my God. What are you talking? They all look like Stonehenge. We gave them money and they became blobs.

But also the idea that you're talking about how it is a failed economic policy. It was birthed out of failed economic policy. That is what created it. No but not no. They will lose you before. You imagine Nixon reading that being like, so what they're just a bunch of green blobs? What am I turning to? I guess I'm a bit lost.

Do they sort of become cloud humans? Well, President Nixon, I mean, it's really unknown what this could be like. So we're just dealing with a bunch of sick tomatoes? Are they mist? What are they? I'm worried that they're vapor. Sure. Whatever it is. Don't make the announcement Golly, I had no idea dog people Rooster women

On the top of the briefing was the phrase quote those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it Stop using the good stuff against us. Jesus Christ. So Nixon was literally going to make the announcement and now he's shocked. He's shocked and he calls all of his advisers together. Look, if we're not careful, we're going to be dealing with a bunch of tree people.

I just talked to Martin over here and he assured me that we're in a dangerous spot. A lot of people became potatoes. We're going to be dealing with potato people. So he calls all of his advisors together. It's just he tells them to find out, find out exactly what happened in England 150 years ago. To get to the bottom of this, what happened to the Spien's? What did they become? A lot of us think they're swamp monsters.

So they show him the beginning of the results from around the country where none of the bad stuff is happening. Are they still human? You might not be able to do follow ups. You might be dealing with, like Martin said, vapors. They also said the current year system was more like the Spenumland system. Like they're like the system we have now is actually more like the Spenumland system. All right. Economist Milton Freeman told Nixon

that the right to an income already existed. Poverty just means you are strapped for cash. But over the next six weeks, the six page report that is a total fabrication completely changes Nixon's mind. I was up again thinking about that Spien thing. Even though it seems to be working, I just don't want to be in a country with snake people. Nixon started saying being unemployed was a choice. People were decided to be that way. And he hated increasing big government.

He was literally that day going to make the announcement. It's so fucking, we need to do a Forrest Gump where we just go back and kill these people. Like, not, just Martin, just like slit his throat. Yeah, yeah. Even though he still had an income guarantee plan, the language changed. What he ended up offering was not new at all, really. A progressive idea with conservative rhetoric. So now, instead of just getting basic income, as Bill said, anyone getting it had to register

with the Department of Labor. So now, now we're back to workhouse shit. Right now it's back to that idea. Yep. He announced his bill in a speech in August 1969. welfare was called work fair. Kill me. It sounds like he just wanted to get it through Congress and didn't realize the effect the rhetoric would have. But it completely stick. So remember,

all these people were on board because they're like yeah the poor have it hard and this totally stigmatizes the poor and me it basically makes the poor seem like they are just lazy yeah they're lazy April 16th 1970 the house passed Nixon's family assistant plan 243 for 155 against. Easy majority. Pundits believe it would pass the Senate too because it was more left than the House. Can you imagine the Senate being more anyway? No. But then the Senate Finance Committee gets ahold of it.

Here we go. A Republican member quote, this bill represents the most extensive, expensive, expansive welfare legislation ever handled. But the most opposed to the bill were the Democrats who thought it didn't go far enough. They wanted a higher basic income than it had, and it goes back and forth for months between the Senate and the White House, and then finally just dropped. So Nixon comes back with it the next year. He pushes it in the State of the Union. The House approves it, 288 to 132. But again, held up in the Senate.

Then came an election year. All the nominees have their own version of a UBI. So we have an election in America where every candidate has... They're fighting for the best UBI plan. Nixon's is watered down, as we said. George McGovern's is full on UBI, but it's done. The right is now savaging the idea of a UBI and using the lies for the Spinal Lymph System report to do it.

And by the end of the 70s, they had spent so much time attacking the welfare state. It's health care. Yeah. Yeah, it's everything. So those UBI experiments that actually happened, Seattle, Denver, amazing success. The laziness argument, total bullshit. There's no mass leaving of jobs. Those who did leave their jobs bettered themselves going to school, becoming working artists. Youth who stopped working spent that time furthering their educations. In New Jersey, high school graduations increased 30%. Wow.

Martin Anderson goes to work for Reagan. He is one of the main architects of the policies that have taken us down the road to fascism. Boy, I mean, you really can tell that effect he had. Yeah. Oh, huge. Afterwards, he goes to work at the Hoover Institute, which is a think tank that was known as Reagan's Brain, and is still today a monstrous organization. It's the one that came up, helped come up with the, our COVID response. A huge bestse seller called Wealth and Poverty came out in 1981 using all the same arguments of the anti-Spineland idiots who had in 1834.

Poverty was a moral problem based on laziness and vice. Charles Murray continues the same bullshit arguments. Daniel Moynihan, who had supported it, changed his mind and when a report from the Seattle experiment revealed divorces went up 50%. Ten years later, someone looked at the data again and it showed that was an error and there was no increase in divorce. The move to end welfare was on. It would continue through Bill Clinton who said in 1996 that he had pulled the plug on quote, the welfare state as we know it.

Even this was too much for Daniel Moynihan who said quote, they should be ashamed, history will shame them. Child poverty then returned to 1964 levels when the war on poverty began. We need to fight a war on the war on poverty. If Nixon's original plan had passed, if Martin Anderson had not handed him that document on the day he was going to announce his plan, we would be living in a completely different country.

Martin Anderson effectively killed many, he is a mass murderer, because poverty fucking kills. He is a mass murderer through that action. And England fucked us again. Oh, and every single place that UBI has implemented, it is a huge fucking success. Where, I mean, where is it? Norway?

It's out in those... It's happening in many different locations now, and it's always just a wild success. It turns out if people aren't stressing about money, then they can do other things and lead a happier life. But that's not what the rich want. The rich want us on the edge of losing everything So that we will take any fucking job that they give us. That's all it is No, and they've never had a bet that every year is the best time for the rich because

Yeah, you see the desperation You know, it's people can't go you can't have a six six month strategy of how to change the system when you don't have a six day strategy for yourself. Yeah. Sources, The Bizarre Tale of President Nixon and His Basic Income Bill by Rutger Bregman, TheCorrespondent.com, The Bizarre Tale of President Nixon and his basic income bill, Liverpool papers, the reader, the deep and enduring history of universal income, vox.com, Fund for Humanity, a timeline in the USA of UBI, history, HIST 235, the cap, the violent captain swing.

What does he talk about? Why would he say that? I was out. It was all about consent. I always had consent. It's how you pounded. I pounded. I pounded like my ship would pound the seas.

New Yorker.com deep, the deep and air enduring history of universal. Some people say I saved certain marriages by Carl. People who are able to open up about the way they feel and they bring Captain Swing in and just for one night they had it a fantasy of that nature is enough to give them fuel for the rest of a marriage potentially. Real clear politics, Martin Anderson Reagan advisor and a man for many seasons and reason.com rand on the dole. a man for many seasons and reason.com Rand on the dole. Fuck me. There it is, man. That's why it didn't happen. And then when people tell you, there's so many people that are like, man, when people say that the Democrats are more conservative, it's because they have just no fucking idea

where we were. I think it also is just like, how can you see this? You expect it from the ruling class. The ruling class should have these opinions. They should believe this. The billionaires who should not exist obviously should be getting high on their own supply right now, and they should be pushing these sort of things. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, they of course should have these theories because they are psychotic individuals who have been enabled by a system that has let them get away with everything

and now is pretty much, it needs them almost to succeed. So those people should be saying these things. It's when regular people, people you know, are saying the things about welfare, the things about, because when, what was the name, Andrew Yang a couple years ago, he was floating the UBI. And I mean, people lost their fucking minds because they were just like, give people $1,500 a month. Like how will we afford that? They always do the how will we afford that shit for socialism. And then when it comes to Pentagon failing an audit every fucking year, that we have no issue with and we can't afford. We could solve homelessness, health care, all those things 18

times over if you just cut the Pentagon's budget down 30 times and we're only marginally the most armed country in the world. And instead, Gavin Newsom is now like, you got to get the fuck out of here. Figure out where you're going to live. Well, right now, so, you know, in 1969, Nixon is talking about UBI and right now, Governor Newsom is having himself filmed as he picks up and throws away homeless people's belongings. So you have a Republican pushing for a UBI and then 65 years later, or 55 years later, you have a heralded democratic governor personally throwing away the things that belong to someone who has nowhere to live. If you want to talk, and so when people say that, how has the left moved to the right?

How have the Democrats gone right? There you go. Nixon in so many ways is this, like with so many terrible parts of him and his presidency. There are also all these parts of, there are parts of Nixon where you go, he was trying to left to something. Like, they used to try to, even if you, you had to try to curry favor through popular decisions back then. So he could do all of his crazy stupid shit and he could get us into, you know, an endless war thinking that that was, he could do that stuff, but he also had to be trying to push, have an EPA have, there were still certain things because you used to actually

have to promise some level of providing to people. And when you look at today, there, I mean, once again, there are, I don't know what either of our two presidential candidates are pushing as their agenda. Actually, take that back. One of them I do now. of our two presidential candidates are pushing as their agenda. Actually, take that back. One of them I do now. And it's fucking horrifying. So the other one doesn't need to really have a platform

or have campaign promises because the other one is just so terrible. And we just went through that presidency and how did that go? Good. I think good. Oh, is that right? Oh, then never mind.

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