The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 649 - The Mickelberg Affair - live w/Xavier Michelides

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Comedians Gareth Reynolds and Dave Anthony examine the Mickelberg family, The Mint, and the cops of Western Australia. Recorded live in Perth with comedian Xavier Michelides. Instagram: @xavier_michelides Tour Dates Redbubble Merch Sources   Nutrafol - code DOLLOP

Well, should we? Yeah, go ahead and bring out our guest. You want me to do that? Yeah. This guy... He's a naughty boy. He's what we call a naughty boy. And boy... People don't say that about adults anymore. No, that's true. Not a lot of comics are getting that intro. This next guy, he's a real naughty boy. He deserves a spanky wanky on his bummy wummy. You're gonna love him. He pooped his di di. Uh, very funny. Very excited to have him on the show.

Give it up for Xavier Michaelides, everybody. Let him hear it. Thank you. Thank you. And we got you a little hat. You wanted to wear that. There you go. Perfection. That's awesome.

Is it? Looks good. This is a naughty boy hat, isn't it? Yeah, you're very... It's a naughty boy hat. Oh, boy, you are a naughty fucking boy. Did you guys not know what to say when you brought me out so you thought, oh, he's a naughty boy?

It just came to me. It seems like Dave, yeah. Well, your behavior backstage was very naughty. That's true. He kept putting fish balls in his mouth. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah. No, you look like right now if you wore a tutu it would be like a photo from the 30s where we'd be like that poor son of a bitch. If you knew his story you'd be laughing. His story is brutal. He had to wear that hat for a very special reason. He's shocking you like, come on dance! There we go. Naughty Boy! He's a naughty boy. He's a little silly naughty boy Anyway, okay good. Well, it's always good to lose them. Keep vamping Well, why don't you while we have you here

Why don't you tell everyone where they can follow you because you're a naughty boy who performs all over the city and the country. Yeah, yeah, you can find me at naughtyboys.com. Yeah, that's right. That's C-U-M. Yeah. Get it right. And no, on Instagram and TikTok and Facebook, Xavier Michaelides. I don't know if you've seen the little videos up on my face on the Bunnings videos. Anyone seen those? No?

There you go. That's me. That's me. That's what I do. That's my face. I don't believe that. It doesn't really work at Bunnies? No. I'm the Bunnings boy. I mean, to Bunnings, I'm a naughty boy. Like, an illegal boy. Have they contacted you at all?

Is anyone from Bunnies? There was a guy after a show and he said, I live for Bunningshead office, you're doing alright. I was like, okay, alright. I guarantee you they were like, he's not sanctioned to say that on our behalf. No, no, no. It's alright, keep going. But I think it's okay because, you know. Because you don't want to get in trouble.

Yeah. I'm lying to myself. Yeah, right, good. It comes across. You are a naughty boy. Oh, we never did. You're listening to The Dollop! Yeah. That's fine. It's an American history podcast where each week, I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American,

sometimes Australian, if we're there, history to a punk. Fuck yeah I am. And a naughty boy. No, don't move the punk part. Gareth Redelta has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Subject, story, whatever. I forget.

And who's our naughty boy? Xavier. Well, we'd say his full name for the... Why don't you say it? Make a mickle muck muck. Yep, that's it. Michael Eadies, right? Spot on, spot on, spot on, yeah.

It's... It's some, it's like a Greek situation. Any more fucking questions, asshole? What are you doing? I'm just doing my thing. Read the fucking date, I'm just doing my thing. Read the fucking date. I'm on one. July 24th, 1980.

Or as I call it, defamation territory. Jesus. Well, do we want to start by saying everything's alleged? Everything's alleged. Well, start it with once upon a time. Then we can say it's a work of fiction. Once upon a time in a fairy land named Perth, 47-year-old Peggy Mikkelberg So Peggy is in Brisbane when she gets a call

She gets a call from her son Raymond Raymond Mikkelberg is a 32 year old pilot. He'd spent some time in the SAS in Vietnam. After Vietnam, he started a successful abalone diving business in Calabria. Is it Calbari? Also no. Calabria, Calabria. Jesus Christ.

It's like a strawberry where you live. With his brother Brian, who is also a pilot, so two pilots in the family. And then their much younger brother. Damn, I can't take a third. Peter. Whoa. Whoa. He worked for them as a diver, and they all lived in Perth. How young is he? He looks like he's 12.

He's 23. 23? Yeah. OK. Yeah. He's the Andy Gibb. Yeah. He's the Andy.

The crew. Yeah. Andy. OK, so Ray and Brian sell the abalone business for $400,000, and then they decided to start a, quote, aerial safari. Oh, no. See, yep, we're starting to... Yep, there's some stuff. There's some stuff. Yeah. There's some stuff percolating now,

which I'm like, okay, an air safari? Aerial. Because an aerial... I feel like I've not heard of it a lot, which makes me worried. Yeah, that's not a thing that people say. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like they... It didn't catch on. Well, it's a tour business for old ladies to see the northwest of Australia from the sky.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Alright. I mean, if it wasn't a dollop, I'd be like, oh, it's a good business. And now I'm like, oh, God, what's gonna happen? You're gonna be like, quick, throw another woman on the fire.

We're in a plane. Shut up! They'll be like, quick, throw another woman on the fire. We're in a plane. Shut up. So Brian bought a 16-seat plane, but it was super costly to get it up to government specs. Oh, the government can be so annoying. Why don't you do what we're doing in America and just let them cook?

These regulations on planes, it's ridiculous. Bullshit. You got two wings and a pilot, you got a plane. Get out there! It's the worst that could happen. The side comes off. Jesus Christ. Sorry we gave you an extra door.

What do you think that one parachute's for? You can all use it. Yeah, good Lord. What's that, a whistle blower? Hey, you shot a hole in the side of the plane. That's fine. While fixing the plane, Ray learned how to cast spare parts.

Cast spare parts? Like, you make the part out of, like... A little model, and then you pour in the liquid metal, and you cast the part. Oh, well, I'm just used to the theater. It's a much different thing. Brian starts working for a local helicopter business as a pilot, and they come up with a plan

to do publicity for their new aerial safari business. This is a great setup. They bought gold from the Western Australian mint, $250,000 worth. This is to promote their business. Hold on. I have no other option. And then Ray cast this huge nugget, so it looks like it's a natural nugget that someone found.

He got an engineer friend to help him. And then Ray calls his mom, Peggy, who's visiting their other brother in Brisbane, and he says, we're sending a plane to pick you up. And Peggy, quote, they had a publicity stunt going, and I had to hold a nugget, and that's all I knew. Ooh. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba.

So they fly her into Perth late at night, and then they get her up early in the morning, and they take her to Janukot Airport. And... Yeah, now that. Now that. And then they put her on a plane, and they take off, and then they land right away,

acting like they had just found this nugget and they have press waiting for them. Oh, okay, okay. Peggy quote, I bought a wig because I thought with my gray hair everyone would know who I was. No, so a complete unknown person was like, I need a disguise for that.

Where did you come from? Oh, hello! That's Peggy! No, it's not. I've got red hair. Well, story checks out. That's definitely not Peggy. She can't wear a wig. We all know that. Look at the size of that nugget! I felt a bit embarrassed about it. You know, on the plane, she said she started to, quote,

feel a bit crook. Hmm. And what does that mean? So she took out her dentures. Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's happening? Why'd she do it? She took out her dentures because she was going to throw up. Okay, crook. Crook.

Never heard it before. No, it's some crazy Australian term. Don't expect me to have it. I had a fishball. Okay, crook. Crook. Never heard it before. Nope, it's some crazy Australian term. Don't expect me to have it. I had a fishball and I feel crook. But she said she never had time to put them back in. So when they land, she's in a wig, glasses, and has no teeth. And she just barfed.

They're like, what? She's like, we've found a bottle of gold. You okay, man? Oh, no, no, I'm not pecky. So, uh. She's holding her teeth. And then they put the really heavy nugget in her hands and then she walks down the stairs.

Good news. I think it's an alien. Yeah. Did you use your teeth to get that nugget in her hands and then she walks down the stairs. Good news! I think it's an alien. Yeah. Did you just hate to get that nugget out? Yeah, that's right! I'm not Peggy! Stop saying that! What does that even mean?

So the press sees this older woman walking down the stairs holding a giant gold nugget and there's a TV reporter there starts asking questions, and Peggy says she quote, found it up north, and her husband is still up there looking for more. So Peggy- Did they have any time to talk about what the plan was? It doesn't seem like they really told her. It feels like they just like threw a wig on her,

and then they were like, go out there, riff. Yeah! You're the Miles Davis of fake nuggets. Do the old Peggy improv. I've just been sick. Get out of the fucking plane, mom. Hello. You did an improv course for one day, you'll be fine.

It'll be all right. I've lost my teeth and my foot. And who are the pilots? They're not my son. Fucking hell. So the press reports it as it's in all the papers all over the country. It's like that they would poke no holes in that. They're like, well, we've got our story. Yeah. Well, actually, when I went to look up huge nugget for that year,

there were like 10 found, like all these guys just finding huge nuggets all over the place. It was the thing Really? Yeah, it was a thing. I love you googling huge nugget Just seeing balls If there were heaps found why is this a good publicity stunt? Everyone in the news would be like fuck another nuggets being found You know like that's a good question. But yeah Cuz a toothless woman, yeah, that because a toothless woman who looked like a toothless carrot top came off of a plane. Hello.

This is one of his prop gear, you know, he's going to nugget. Anyone got barbecue sauce? God, she's good. So it weighed more than 11 kilograms. Sure. It's 50 pounds. 24. Okay. kilograms sure it's just a pound 24 okay found near Calgourley by an elderly

prospecting cover to go early Cal go Cal gooli Cal gooli yeah but it's it's spelled in a way to confuse you fucking your whole country is like yeah that's our whole deal we're just fucking with you all the time. You know? Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey It's not Melbourne, it's Melbourne. Just wait until you go to Coburn, then you'll be really confused. Oh trust me, I know all about that one. That's the perfect drink. I know all about Cockburn.

Different thing. Named after this. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, buddy, no, buddy. That's how the town got named, there was just one guy out there. That's how the town got named. There was just one guy out there. Yeah. Now, this woman who was missing her teeth, she said it the first time.

Yeah! What's it called? COVID? COVID? Uh... So it does get a lot of press, uh, to jump up business. And then, so the engineer friend who helped him cast it, he decides to hold a nugget naming contest. And this is for the promotion?

Now it's- He's like, he wants a little bit of fame. It's spun off a little bit. Okay, sure. We're way beyond that now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now people from all over the world are pitching names for this giant nugget, and they name it the Yellow Rose of Texas.

Fucking insane. Insane. Insane that I can't imagine the non-winners. Nuggety McNugget face. So now the engineer who was somehow in control of the nugget, I don't really get why, he starts getting offers from people to buy the nugget. And Brian just wants to sell it back to the mint for exactly what it was worth. In a mission, they were like, why did you shape it like raw gold? We already did a lot of, we put it in bars for it. He's like, yeah, all right.

I did this. So I feel like the value is the same. You guys can undo that maybe. And wouldn't they know that anyway? Isn't this not Peggy's nugget? Oh no. It's not hers. That's for sure.

Who's Peggy, I guess is the next question. But the engineer gets an offer of 350,000 to sell it to businessman Alan Bond. Oh. He wanted to display it in the lobby of his building here in Perth, as you do. Yep. Normal stuff. So he buys it, so they made $100,000, but that's also a crime. That's a crime?

Yeah, because they bought they it's fraud like they they bought gold for twenty-three thousand faked a nugget and then we're like yeah I feel like I'm okay with this yeah this guy's a dick it's Alan Bond who gives a shit you know like though he did paint the dingo sign I don't think he did no he didn't he did local stuff yes all right I thought that's all he did though. He didn't. He didn't. Local stuff. Yeah, sorry. I thought that's what I was here to do. Local fucking sand-growing material. Yeah, like... LAUGHS

So everyone now moves on. They made money. Everyone moves on. Ray now, however, is doing... He's doing casting as a hobby. He's making all kinds of casts of things, including an antique sword, molded portraits, and hands. He's just really casting shit. Oh, cool. So he's doing hand stuff and cocks. That's awesome. Little tiny cocks, and then you can get a fist.

Little tiny cocks? Jesus. All right, buddy. Marry the lead. We get it. Okey-dokey. Some of us deal with three thumbs. I think you might be more interested in the fist. I'm listening. He made a ton of casts of his right hand while he was learning,

so on his mantle he has all these right-hand casts. So weird. Brass, plaster, rubber, tons of stuff. And he keeps the cast hands just up there on his mantle. Cool hand cast. So weird. Brass, plaster, rubber, tons of stuff. And he keeps the cast hands just up there on his mantle. Cool hand mantle. Yeah, going to this high style. Are you okay? Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, I'm just doing a lot of my hand stuff. Yeah, this is the house that hands built. Not in that way. Well, you want a hand for the road? I'm working what they call a hand job.

Now you might be wondering how some guys just bought gold from the mint, just randomly. Shockingly, it did not really cross my mind. Journalist Avon Lavelle, quote, "'The Perth Mint' was a bit of a joke." Hey, come on. Yeah of fun It was a gift shops crazy It's all hands. Yes, where do you think the hands went to the gift shop of crazy. Like, is it just all hands? It's all hands, yes. Where do you think the hands went?

To the gift shop with the Perth mint. Jesus. And they got big hands, little hands. All gold. Dog hands or paws, as you guys call them. Jesus Christ. Dog hands is an alarming name. Go to a vet, he's like, your dog's hand is, you know.

His paw? No dug his hand, you see, now. His paw? No, his hand. So it's a bit of a joke amongst prospectors and gold dealers who had the occasion to conduct a business there. I love being mocked by prospectors. Yeah. You, that's crazy what you're doing over there! Shut up, you one-toothed idiot.

Boy, you're shit-ass stupid. Boy, you got a weird place. Shut up, you one-toothed idiot. Boy, you're a shit-ass stupid. Boy, you got a weird place. Now let's go back in that hole in the mountain and look through soil. You're pathetic. So it was very common for people to use aliases because the Mint did not require ID,

just a name and address. We're not Peggy Welcome aboard So you could just launder money through the mint awesome You would use a bank check from a building society That's like a credit union sure People would call and place orders Have some gold, please.

Can I have two gold? Actually, no, make it three. Three gold, thanks. The name? Gold. Mr. Gold? Mr. Gold. Uh, Lavelle quote, the men kept a day book in which they recorded these inquiries in a haphazard fashion.

Some contacts were noted, some were not. Imagine not writing it down. Oh, fuck. I'll remember it. I'll remember it. What was it again? Okay, I'll remember that. How much gold did we sell?

We'll just check how much is left and then minus that from the amount. Ah, yeah, right. That's how the mint works. On March 5th, 1982, Peter Meikleberg signed a six-month lease for a house at 112 Rupert Street, Subiaku. Yeah. That was spot on. No notes. Subiaku.

We're going to Subiaku tonight. Nails go to the Subiaku Hotel. You can tell by the way way they reacted I said it perfectly That was a supportive laugh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they were impressed So that's what that's the actual place So a month later on April 7th Ray had a birthday party for his three-year-old daughter at home two blocks from Marmion Beach And that's near Subiaco? Yes. Yeah. Subiaco. Just to be clear, you're

correcting me? Yeah, sure. I'm trying to make sure I know how that worked. Oh, and there's a bunch of family members there at the birthday party. So that same night there was a building society break-in in North Perth and they stole blank checks and set the building on fire. Nice. Smart. They won two. That's how you do it. Yep. The owner saw three men in a burnt orange Mazda or Toyota. Okay. A week later someone called the Mint. So someone calls the Mint saying they were from a group who would buy 250,000. Great, we're in. No more questions. Can we put a name down for the order? $250,000 worth of gold when it dropped below $300 an ounce. The mint worker, quote, I can't recall whether it

was Friar or Blackwood. There is only one name I put in the book. So this guy was just not trained. It's hard. You're taking a phone call an hour later. There's another one. There's a book. So this guy was just not... It's hard. You're taking a phone call. An hour later, there's another one. There's a book. Do you have a pen? I don't know.

Yeah. You're expecting too much from a mint guy. Yeah. Come on. It's not about the paperwork. It's about the minting. Yeah. It's kind of just the vibe.

It's the vibe, you know? He had, like, the best energy. He wrote down group. Yeah, I mean, it was friar or he is a friar. He didn't ask for an address or an ID. Yeah, so really he basically was like, there you go. No, it's like the Mafia is running it. They're just like, yeah, you got gold? Sure.

Here's some money. They keep better track. This guy was like, yeah, guy, what do you got? Gold? Sure. Here's some money. Gold? They probably keep better track. This guy was like, cool. There you go. Cool. So then after that, he gets a call from someone who worked for a Chinese interest in Darwin, and he wanted $300,000 worth

when it dropped to 300 an ounce. That he didn't write in the book at all. He just totally forgot. So after the first not writing in the book, where he was like, whoops, and the second one he was like, now I don't write in the book at all, he just totally forgot. So after the first not writing in the book, where he was like, whoops, the second one he was like, now I don't write it down. But I'm intending to do that.

Fucking perfect. And then... I'll tell you my favorite nuggets. And then a Mr. York called later wanting $100,000 worth of gold. So in the end, two men call an office, sorry, at the end of April, two men call him. This is in one day. No, this is a couple of days later, I think.

Okay. But it's a lot of activity. Yeah, all that happened in one day. All the guys calling for... It's like a million dollars worth of gold from three people. One day, and then I would imagine most days there were no calls. Yeah, I would imagine. Although it's laundering money, so there's probably a lot. Okay, right, okay.

I'm sorry, what's your name? Don't fucking worry about it. Okay. I should probably write that down, but... So it died to your first name and fuckens your middle name? So at the end of April, two men call an office building named Barker House in Perth, and they rent suites, and their names are Friar and Blackwood. But neither guy comes in person, they just send checks checks as You do when you're getting an office. Yeah, and then on May 13th

There was another building society break and in blank checks are stolen in the building set on fire. Sure interesting I wonder if there's some sort of connection Interesting details, so I mean it is a little just like, yeah, the name of the business is crime. Yeah, crime. And then a secretary is hired to work in Suite 3 at Barker House, but she never meets who hire her, and she was told there would be two toolboxes in a manila envelope in the suite.

Oh, okay. Cool job I've got. Cool. Nobody will call. Just go through the toolboxes. Alright. Okay, sounds good. Great. What's in the toolbox? Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Probably best I don't know. Shut up. Okay! Do I get lunch? Shut up! Eat the tools. Weird!

Okay! Crazy business. How was work? Really strange. Yeah, it's really like the weirdest secretary job. I'm just watching toolboxes. I watch these toolboxes and if I say anything they scream. But there's free coffee and tea. There's free coffee and I sit on gold. So he said whoever hired her over the phone said

security firms would come for the boxes and the middle of the envelope. Okay. And then a personal courier, Peter Dovnak, he is a 26 year old guy, he just happened to be at the employment agency when Fryer called looking for a driver. And he needed a driver with a CB radio in his car. Oh, that is just, it's just. It's all fine.

It's exceptionally strange. It feels like something's all fine. It's exceptionally strange. It feels like something's going on. Dubnak was supposed to take the stuff from Suite 3 to Jindakot Airport. He moved past. He moved quick through that one. And not even attempt it. Yep. And then he was told to just leave it on the tarmac between two hangars.

Right. Is that okay? Yeah, that's what you do. Are you allowed to do that? Yeah. Just throw it on the runway. Sorry, where am I putting it? Throw it on the runway.

Where? Anyway. Hurry. Don't leave it in the airport, because that's dangerous. But on the runway it's fine. I mean, runways are fine. You can leave anything there. As we're bringing her down, we're noticing an enormous clump of gold.

So, a little curious if we're clear for landing. Dubknock thought it sounded weird, but he needed money, so that's where he's supposed to leave it. Okay. The next morning, there was a suspicious man with long blonde hair parked near Barker House in a white Falcon Not the bird of car. I was gonna say No!

Don't mind me! Fucking move dude! Yeah! Y'all! Y'all! Mush! Mush Falcon! Mush! Move bro! Hey there's a weird guy outside Oh, mush, mush, Falcon, mush. Move, bro. Hey, there's a weird guy outside.

Grab the naggy-wuggy. Riding a bird. Fuckin' A. All the worms you could eat. Ooh. The sales manager, a sales manager of the building, wrote down the license plate number. Of the Falcon?

Yeah. Did anyone get the tail feather number? Hooray! So on the day a security firm comes and picks up the Manila envelope and takes it to the Mint. It has a $250,000 check inside. And they get 8 50 ounce bars, 13 kilogram bars, and one 20 ounce bar of gold. So the mint doesn't verify the check

or the guy who signed it, Friar, or the signature, or anything. What is the mint? What is their role? Do we need them for this transaction? Should we maybe just put gold in a big bin and just say, on your honor? Yeah! And then the exact same things happen

with the checks from Blackwood and York. No one at the mint checked anything. The security guys then brought all the gold back to Suite 3. So there's a secretary, her first day, no idea what's going on, sitting with a million dollars of gold It feels like it would be like for her. It would be like a prank show where she's like they're gonna do the reveals Surely they're hidden cameras The host is gonna walk in and be like look over there

A security guy quote she was to put it bluntly somewhat stunned at that stage. Had to be. They stationed one guard in the suite. Dubnak comes and he and the guard load the goal into the trunk of his blue valiant. And he drives to the airport and he has no idea what's in the boxes. No one tells him. And the secretary is now freaked out, and she just leaves. Smart.

Is she the smartest person in the story? So far, yeah. Yeah. So Dubnet gets to the airport and goes to the spot between the hangars. This guy walked out and looked at him, and then walked back in. He goes to the spot between the hangars.

He puts the boxes there, and then he leaves. But then he's like, well, this is weird. Just leaving stuff there. And he circles back, and then he leaves, but then he's like, well this is weird, just leaving stuff there, and he circles back, and then he decides to write down the license plates of all the cars that are there. Interesting. And then Doveknack goes back to Barker House

and tells the manager the weird stuff that's going on, and he says he feels like he's being set up. And she said, quote, he was carrying on like Magnum P.I. I said to Sandy Murphy that he watches too much television. He came in and said, I could have had my head shut off. We wanted to get rid of him. He was a real pill. He was going on and on about being followed to the airport.

Wow. So fucking really awful. Nobody cares. You're watching too much Magnum P.I. Being set up just like Magnum P.I. would think. So he also wants to get paid, but then he's not paid. So when he's not paid, he goes to the cops. Okay, just like Magnum P.I. So the cops don't care. They're like, I don't give a shit.

But now Dubna can't sleep, and he goes to Barker House in the morning, and no one's in suite three. There's a frozen seafood agent in a nearby suite. A frozen seafood agent? I'm a shrimp. What? Listen, I got to tell you something. You really a shrimp?

No. I'm a cop. What? This is deep undercover. Shrimp? No. I'm a cop. What? This is deep undercover. I've been living as a prawn for the last six years. They've excited me. They think I'm one of them. Honey? Hold on. Oh, I thought I heard some...

Okay. Hmm. Shit. She's on my tail. Uh... So he goes to the seafood agent. Wait, wait, wait. That's a thing. I don't know They sell seafood. Yeah, just be a place that just right. I mean, it's got it's gotta be like a broker, right?

We're salmon everybody get down We're going to the stream he represents seafood I Got a nice he's amazing. I'm the half of the ocean. What are you looking for? What are you looking for? Like a halibut? You want a clam? What do you need?

I got a whole, I got everybody into everything. I got dolphin if you don't tell anybody. You know what I mean? I'm gonna do whatever you need right now, okay? I can't do whale, not now. Not at the moment. Got a lot of heat with whales at the moment. You gotta give me a month.

I need a month to get you a whale. He just puts fish in movies. Look, my client's cod, but he's not gonna take just any job. I was this close to getting a star in Splash, like. You know Splash? My guy, he's the tail. This is before CGI to get real fish.

They had to do real tails back then. He's the best. Number one fish butt. This guy's great. So he said, Dibnak told him quote, I've been to the cops and I reckon I'm a goner. And then he goes back to the cops, who again just blow him off.

And then he goes back to Barker House. And this time the secretary's there. And she tells him he transported gold. And now he loses his fucking mind. And he calls the cops and again, they're like, yeah, okay, buddy. And they just blow him off So he goes to a radio station

Right, so he's on wait, nope, no, no, everyone's like it was gold. He's like fucking you know what I gotta do now Wtnr to do five for five in the morning! It's six PR. Oh, what? Oh, wow, fun. It's an exciting... And he gets interviewed by this guy. It looks like the heavy metal station. He talks to a producer and he ends up being interviewed on the air. Okay. Yeah, the producer was like, you know what, just why don't you get in the studio, talk

to Alan. Do you have the fish agent with you? I'm actually closing a deal with eggs right now. I got enough time for radios. Believe me. We don't do radio. Now at the exact same time, one of the guys who runs one of the security firms is getting worried he's also not going to get paid because the person who's supposed to be paying has just disappeared.

This is the craziest... So he looks into it and he discovers there is no Friar Investments company registered as a business. So he calls the cops and now the cops are like, well, okay. Now they tell him, now we'll do something. Yeah. And then he also calls the myth, and he's like, hey, you guys have a problem.

No, we've not been writing anything down. I know what we're doing. I've got no paperwork to reflect this, so... I don't know what you're talking about. I drew a couple of buildings, and then a heart with the woman that I'm in love with. With an arrow going through it. So I'm pretty sure there's no evidence here, my man. We are good to go. We are very empty with gold at the moment, but that's a different game.

Yeah, we got a bunch of gold, or we had a bunch of gold. We had a bunch of gold. Wait a fucking minute, dude. So the mint looks and realizes all three checks were made with the same typewriter. I don't know how the fuck they did that. That guy, he's the best. He's like, I'm the type analyst. Look at the curve on the L. This is the same device.

They go from not looking at anything at all and then like, holy shit, the typewriter's the same. Yeah, a typewriter's the same. Yeah, a typewriter. And I bet you it wasn't. I bet you it was like, no, they all actually look. Look at it. Every letter's the exact same. Yeah, that's kind of a uniform typewriter thing.

Whoever did this is the best. But it's also all they can do is typewriter stuff. It's like, so they murdered with a typewriter? No, well, we can't help you There won't be much help here So the mint also call the cops and the cops now go to Barker house. Cops like man. We're having a hell of a day Really annoying The manager quote they thought it was all a huge joke. They were really quite funny

The manager quote, they thought it was all a huge joke. They were really quite funny. They were all these silly jokes about gold. So the cops don't give a shit. These are fun jokes. Fun gold jokes. You know, gold jokes. Yeah, I love a gold joke. Hey, what is...

How do you get six gold bars into a car? That's hilarious! That's the funniest one we've had today! But then the cops did discover the checks were from a real account number. It was owned by a guy named Peter Gulley. The account number was written on the same typewriter as the other account numbers. Yeah, we don't need you for this. Pretty interesting though. Anecdotally, that could be a fun thing to... I have a cocktail party this weekend. Anyway, okay.

My wife left. Huh? You boys... you boys looking for God? Jesus Christ, it's an appreciation. It's an appreciation. You guys want God, I'll get you a good God, you know. We're good, it's okay. Okay. You sure?

You sure it's delicious stuff? You like clams? Yeah, no, we have a guy, we have a monger. We use a monger. Hey. What? Hey. What? Look at me. I am.

Scallops. OK. You know what I'm talking about? I do, yeah. No, I know what a scallop is. You remember when we talked about abalone before? Yeah, I do, but I really, I don't want to, it's very, it's intense energy.

Put it in your mouth. I don't think I'm going to, this conversation is ending pretty quickly. Hey, hey, hey, what did my brother say? Put the fucking abalone in your mouth. Oh, that's your brother. So you're both fish age and brother. Yeah, yeah, we're brothers and we're agents.

We work together, okay? Okay, well that was just. We're brajans. You're what? Brother agents, brajans. Brajans. Yeah, okay. Okay.

I believe it's pronounced brajans, but. You'll figure it out. All right, well, cool. Look, I don't need a lot of information from you two. I'm just telling you I'm good on the fish, and congratulations on this really strange little niche. Why don't you go ahead and pop the trunk? Pop the trunk of the car?

Yep. I don't think I legally have to, so I'm gonna actually push back a little. Go ahead and pop the trunk. We're gonna fill that baby up with shrimp. I'm asking you to not do that. I'm actually being really clear. We can put all bunch of shrimp in there.

No, no, no. I just talked to you. I'll talk to your brother. I don't need both of you. I will, uh... I just told your brother I'm not okay with that. I've already put an octopus in your tailpipe, okay? Well, why would you do that? I can't drive the car with an octopus in the tailpipe.

Because I thought you'd like that. I don't want it. I... No, I've been pretty... I've been pretty honest this whole time. I'm not interested in seafood, and I certainly did not want an octopus in my tailpipe. And I'll tell you what I sure as fuck don't want is a trunk full of shrimp. So that's not happening.

And I'd like you to tell your brother to get the goddamn octopus out of the tailpipe. Once it goes in, it doesn't come out. I think that's insane. If there are many times it goes in... Once the beak locks on, it's in there. So it's alive? Of course, they're all alive.

Yeah, they all alive. Yeah, they're alive. Okay, listen. You think we're crazy selling you dead fish? What the fuck? Okay, that is... I didn't say you're dead fish. That's an insane follow-up.

So listen. I don't believe the car will run with an octopus in the tailpipe. Oh, it will. Oh, it'll run. It'll run better than you've ever believed. I don't... That is a crazy way to think. The octopus loops up the whole fucking thing. All right. I'm not gonna kill a living octopus in my tailpipe with fumes.

Who said you would kill it? What the fuck's the matter with you? I don't know how much you guys know about fish, and I don't believe an octopus is a fish. So there's that part of it that I think at some point we need to reconcile. Hey! What?

You don't tell us what's a fish and not a fish. Okay. Well no, nature should have. No, we decide what a fish is. I don't think. You could be a fish if we wanted you to. All right, let's everybody chill. Hey, are you a fish agent?

No, you're not. No, it's an occupation that I believe is limited to two people and they're the weird brothers. So I'm not, no, I'm not a fish agent. Well, the business was handed down by a mother. God bless her. She died. God bless her soul.

She's dead? Well, died in an airport. Yeah. We put some fish in her hands and she fell down the stairs. It's different. At the airport? Yeah, we were trying to get her to carry some fish, and she fell over, and she broke her neck.

But don't worry about that. Oh, it's a little worrying. We want to put some shrimp in your trunk, okay? I remember that part. It was two minutes ago, and I... My position is strong. No. Just get some plastic and put her down in there,

and we'll fill up... We'll put water in there, and then we'll put the... I mean, I'm pretty close to popping the trunk. That's how bad this is getting. These are live shrimp. Just get some plastic and put it down in there and we'll fill up... We'll put water in there and then we'll put the... I mean, I'm pretty close to popping the trunk. That's how bad this is getting. These are live shrimp. They'll swim around in there. What? This is gonna be water?

Yes, water. Salt water. It's salt water. This is a lifestyle shift. It is. It's a big responsibility. I don't... You'll have to look out the... No, you'll be their dad. What the fuck? They'll attach you and you'll be their parent, you know what I mean? So you're telling me I'm gonna imprint upon them?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll look to you and they'll grow up and you know... They'll grow up? Yeah, they're gonna grow. They're baby shrimp. They're gonna have... they're gonna grow up and have families and babies. Watch you... the adventure you are starting here today. I am not signing off on this. I'm not turning my goddamn car into a mini ocean for shrimp.

You ever see Lord of the Rings? I'm not answering that question. You think Frodo chose to get the ring, be the ring guy? Yeah. Have you seen Lord of the Rings? I think so. Because it feels like you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

He, he, we were asleep in a room and it was playing somewhere, so. Yeah, so we know. We know. I don't even want to follow up on this part of it. You're the one who started the Lord of the Rings talk and I think I know more than you about it. I'm just saying, it's with Greg. Yeah, I know, did you about it. I'm just saying it's with great.

I know did Frodo wake up and want to be the one with the ring? No. No he didn't. It's just like with great responsibility comes other stuff. Stop talking soon. Shrimp come with great responsibility is what I'm saying. Which is from Star Wars. I'll do one'm saying. Which is from Star Wars. I'll do one pow.

It is not from Star Wars. It is. It is not from Star Wars. Captain Picard said that. That's not Star Wars. Captain Picard said that. That's not Star Wars. In Star Wars.

In Star Wars. Okay. You're telling me you're going to turn on these shrimps and say I don't want to be your daddy for these little baby shrimps? I'm getting pretty close to popping the trunk to be totally honest. Pop the trunk. Pop the trunk. All right, fine. You know what? They're not going to fit in there. Oh, what the fuck?

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So, Detective Sergeant Donald Hancock took over. You boy. You know what his nickname is? Strokey? The Grey Fox. The Grey Fox? The Grey Fox. Okay. There's a real larrikin' in this guy. Yeah.

Yeah, g'day. You fuck off. That's what he's saying right there. Get fucked. The new cheese. You fuckhead. That's cheese in Perth. Say cheese.

Fuck off. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. The new cheese. You fuckhead. That's cheese in Perth. Say cheese. Fuck off. We got it. He is from a gold mining family and the case now is very political because of the mint involvement, right?

Sure. And so the Gray Fox learned Peter Gunny, who had the account, that he's not a real person, that it's an alias. Okay. So, Dubnak gave the cops his license plate lists that he had taken from the airport and the parking lot at the Barker House. So this guy was just writing down. Was that helpful? They were like, no, not great.

No, thanks, we don't need to know anything. Did you separate them at all? No, just one line. I was like freaking out when they... And then I added some letters and numbers. I was so stressed. Any maker model of what? Never mind, we're good to go.

They're all set over here. Well, the cops were upset about one thing. Quote, it identified an unmarked police car, and the police wanted to know why there was an unmarked police car on the list. Why did I pick the number out? I said because it was acting suspiciously. The cops didn't interview most people at Barker House.

They didn't go to the address that Friar gave, and the fingerprint expert said there was one Unidentified print on the check. Okay, and the typewriter guy was like, do you need me? We're good. I think these were all written by hand leave The Meckelbergs were worried due to their previous gold shenanigans, right? So they're like, they're going to start looking at us. Sure.

So the cops connect the Gully bank account to Peter through the address of the place he rented. And they check his lease, and he had used one of Ray's aliases for a reference. Okay. Otto Kleider. That light look. Okay. Otto Clyde. That might work. No. Ray had used Otto and Peter Gulley's names to avoid taxes.

Sure. Yep. And then the cops just decide Peter had never lived in the place he rented and that it was a safe house used for crime. There's no evidence of it. They just decided it. So the cops really, they were like, we got it now. Yeah. So they look into the entire Mikkelberg family now. Peggy still in disguise.

Yes. Peggy, never heard of her. My name's Terrence Lashally. Excuse me. I've been sick. Christ. So the Grey Fox said quote, they were a mystery. They left Victoria in 1970 and settled in Western Australia,

but not much else is known about them. We found Ray had been in trouble over obtaining fast army ID and thought, oh, he's an odd bloke. Good work, boys. We've cracked the case. Just look for odd blokes and put them on the list. You're done.

And then handwriting experts said Ray was Peter Gulley. So- Because he kept writing, I'm Peter Gulley. To tell. So a detective friend of Ray's told him all the brothers should get medical exams. Medical exams? In case they're arrested and beaten up.

Like befores. Befores? Yeah, checking the holes for... Yep. Are you... Yeah. Was there a misfire? Maybe.

He wants them to get pre-medical exams to make sure they're... Ready to fight? Yep. In case they have bruises and bruises. It's like when you rent a car, you do the lap. Okay. It's much like a car rental.

You have to kick the tires. Check the holes. Check all the holes. Make sure they're not getting bigger. Check the holes? Yeah, check the holes. Make sure, you know, check his holes. Check all the holes. Check all the holes. Make sure they're not getting bigger. Check the holes? Yeah, check the holes. Make sure, you know, check his holes. Oh, the man's holes? Yes.

So you want to look at his anus? No, I don't want to, but medically I have to. To make sure no one, yeah. You're being paid to do it. Yes, well, I mean, I'd love to be paid, sure. That'd be great. I didn't know that was on the table. Absolutely. I demand a little money, actually. I want a nugget.

So... Go ahead. Hurry up, but go ahead. You think that when a man is beaten up, his anus expands? No, no, no, no, no. I think police, you know... they get in there. In what way are they getting in there?

They do stuff, you know? I know I've been to jail, and I know before I went to jail, I insisted on my friends seeing what could fit in the hole, and then upon my release, could you double that or, you know, fit more in there? And if you could, something happened. Yeah. It's crazy that you're agitated.

I'm just more confused and... It's pretty straightforward. ...worried. Yeah, no. If you were ever in trouble, like if you go around drawing cocks on some city council shit, I know before they throw you in the slammer, I'm gonna definitely have a look at your hole

and see what goes in there. No, you're not... T-hawty Sharpies will fit in there. No, I'm gonna definitely have a look at your hole and see what goes in there. See how many Sharpies will fit in there. See if I go from two fingers to three upon your release. Definitely is the wrong word for it. Well, four to five, I guess. I'm gonna go back to the story. I've been waiting for you to go back to it

for about two and a half minutes. Everybody has, everyone's very interested. Well, we're all ready, Dave. Keep going. It's Christ. It's not gonna be a whole pal. Don't ever say whole pal again. Ever.

I think that's a crime in Perth. Yeah, you don't say whole pal around here. Oh, okay. Wrecked chums. There you go. Ha ha ha ha. So the brothers are hauled in for questioning and Ray's house is searched. He has an alibi for the night. The...

Sorry, I'm building society. Building society. Is robbed and burned. He was at his daughter's birthday party and family were there. And the day of the swindle thing, he was in a meeting at 1.30. So also, Ray had once bought gold as an investment, and he had his wife show the cops the receipts for the gold bars, which he had hidden under floorboards.

I mean, that's the most rational gold we've had in the store. Like, oh, what a weirdo. You mean he didn't cast it down to make it into a big weird nugget for his ruthless mother to walk off a plane with? What is this guy? Normal? But he did use fake names to buy the gold to avoid taxes, as literally 80% of the people did buying gold from the mint.

So when the cops learned about the Yellow Rows of Texas, they're like the brothers of the guys. The Yellow Rows of Tech, I still can't get over it. Also Ray had lost his bank book for the Peter Goley account, and he thought that's how the criminal got the account number. Okay. And Ray had witnesses who said he had been looking for the bank book.

But the cops don't care. He's arrested for using a false name. And now the brothers are being followed everywhere. A woman detective even followed Ray into a club swimming pool. Quote, she still had on her makeup when she jumped into the pool to swim beside us. It was blatantly obvious.

Yeah. Yeah, it's obvious. She's a criminal. You wipe your makeup off, and we get in the pool, all right? Go on there, a full face of makeup. She's a cop. She's a fucking cop. She's a cop.

Drown her, Marty! Full makeup. They got a well-known Perth lawyer. So the lawyer gave all of his clients a letter, every client he has, that... F. Tells that you're supposed to... What's this for? Dunno.

Don't worry about it. Quiet, baby. I'm talking in air. It's a lot of reservoir dogs, but shit. So he gave each one of them a letter that would, they were supposed to give to the police that would state they would not go to a police station unless arrested, as was their right. Okay.

It'd be like, I mean, I don't love this, the tenor of this. Yeah, arrest me, okay? Wait, let me talk to my weird lawyer. Now, the cops had known about this letter for years and they referred to it as the joke. Over the, over weeks, they kept, the brothers keep showing the cops the letter but then they would still go

They would still be like, all right, I'll be questioning like they show them the letter It says don't I only go for arrested then they then they just go with them. I'm gonna arrest them anyway So they would just go in anyway, they'd go in anyway We go under and then they'd be like, yeah, okay Yeah, the cops be like we're not gonna arrest you but you want to come down for questioning. It sounds all right. Yeah Yeah, okay. The cops will be like, we're not gonna arrest you, but you want to come down for questioning? It sounds all right.

Yeah, okay. Yeah! But remember I've got a letter. Have you read the letter? No. Okay. It was not written on a typewriter. Get out of here!

Well, we'd all like to know. So the cops decide Peter was the mysterious guy in the white Falcon outside outside a Barker house and that he had worn a blonde wig. Boy, they love these wigs. They got a bundle. They got a special box of wigs at home. Put a pub wig on when you go out as well.

I'm off to the spot and they have a witness look at him as he sits in a car. That's fucking great. They're like, I don't think I'd be able to identify him unless I was at the scene and he was in the car. Fucking lot of overhead. Alright, fine. Have him put his hands on the steering wheel, please. And have him lean out and go, I'm the criminal! Have him put on a little Arios Speedwagon, too. Can he sort of shimmy his head a little? I just want to... It's really hard to tell. No, like this.

Shimmy. Have him put the AC on? Can I hold up that cod? Or a whole trunk of shrimp? Okay, let's just keep focused on the investigation. Not gonna go there now. I can do that for you if you need that. No, no, no, no, this is a different thing now,

so we can't, we're not gonna be doing that, I can... No, no, no, no. This is a different thing now, so we can't... We're not gonna be doing that, okay? So this is totally against procedure. You're supposed to do a lineup or like a collection of photos. The guy, the witness does not ID Peter. I just wanted to see the car. Actually, there's nothing to do today. I was actually going to hang out with cops and look at people in cars.

Should we do one where I'm in the car and he sees if he knows who I am? Might as well while we're here. I mean we're here. We came all the way down here. Let's make a day of it. Oh, let's get sandwiches. That could be naughty. I know a great place that has content roles nearby.

Local reference, content roles. That's a Perth only thing. It's great. Yeah. I really don't... You get them... What did you call them for? Subiku. Sukaboo-bee. Sukaboo-bee? Sukaboo-bee! When the bra comes off, it's time to Sukaboo-bee! Sookaboobee! When the bra comes off, it's time to Sookaboobee! So days later, the cops show the witness a doctored photo of Peter.

It's just a picture of him as a doctor. In a wig. You're doing a mustache as well. Absolutely. So the cops don't look at any of their suspects, and Brian and Peter both have alibis for the day. They were building a fence. I was doing crime.

Not him then. They were building a fence with their parents, and two witnesses said they were there doing that. I was watching him build the fence in his defense. No. Yeah, what? No, no, do not encourage that shit. Sounds like someone's a little defensive.

Ha ha! Life's crazy. Really is. Two other people, however, said the fence had already been built. Guess which ones the cops ignored. The two who said they'd seen the fence built. No. Damn.

In July, Peter was taken by cops to an empty police station in Belmont. Some of you guys have been in there. Some day this will be another police station. Peter was stripped naked and beaten. Yeah, that's why you did the whole test. Yeah. He was punched multiple times in the gut. He was chopped in the throat.

He was slapped. They threatened his family, quote, they got me a Hungry Jacks burger, and as I began to eat it, the torture, the punishment, have Hungry Jacks, now! You may chop my throat, finger my anus, beat me, but I'm not eating this dog food. Hey man, nobody fingered your anus.

I did! I've been having a pretty good time! Just nice to be out of the house, rough house, and with some fellas for a change. So I self-puppeted. Don't... What? I would just like to ask you never to say that again. Come on! Someone play the Jaws theme.

I'm going to make it mouthy. What? Nobody's happy right now. Come on. You never made Bum Chum? Hello? I've never been this upset to beat up a suspect. We need to stick together. Come on.

They got me a Hungry Jacks burger and as I began to eat it, Lewandowski slapped it from my hands. Didn't even get to finish his bloody woppa. Right, do you guys know what Hungry Jacks is? Yeah, it's Burger King. Do you know why they call it Hungry Jacks? Because Burger King's dog shit. I don't know why. There's already a Burger King here.

I think the way that you told that, you expected us to be like, oh wow, but we're both like, okay. It was really presented like an amazing fact. It wasn't. It was a bit like an episode ending of Magnum PI. Because actually there is a Burger King here. Okay. So then after doing all this to Peter,

they write up his confession. And if you read it, it's like Peter speaks in the worst movie dialogue ever. So then after doing all this to Peter, they write up his confession. And if you read it, it's like Peter speaks in the worst movie dialogue ever. Don't use a typewriter. They said Peter kept blaming Ray and made it seem like he was scared of Ray. Quote, did you buy the car? I can't say. Why it was obviously you?

I know, but we made an agreement that we wouldn't say anything! It just goes on and on like that. Like, the cops were out into the interrogation document stuff they wouldn't know for days or weeks ahead of time. Interior interrogation room. Quote, we have searched everywhere for the car, even up at Kalbari. That's definitely not on the typewriter. It's gibberish. It's been dumped. You'll eventually find it, but you might not recognize it. It's been burnt, hasn't it?

Where was it dumped, Peter? I can't tell you till I talk to Ray. If he says it's alright, I'll show you. So it's just great. Peter took Hungry Jacks and a bite, pensively. He wanted to answer the cop's questions, but he feared the ripple effect to his family. At this point, it's safe to say he was torn.

I'm not doing anything without my lawyer, man, he said as he looked at the cop's eyes. The cop knew something was off, but it wasn't just at home. Recently, there had been tension between him and his wife. She cheated, she told him, and he knew. But he wanted to let it go, but he couldn't. Every night, he just sat there, eyes open, wondering what could have been.

Look, I want to be your pal here, he said. He grimaced. It was all he could muster for God's sake. At this point. Hey. They wanted to get Burger King, but that wasn't enough. Hey, hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry.

After they told him they'd already gone to Calabria to look at the burnt car, they went two days later, according to records. So the whole thing is just bullshit. These sound like bad cops. I don't know about these guys. They're pretty bad, their job. So the cops are trying to make Ray come across like a controlling mastermind who everyone is scared of.

Peter refuses to sign the confession that they wrote up, it's bullshit. I want two whoppers and then I'll do it. But they're turning your confession into a Broadway musical. Oh, really? A car was seen at one of the fires, the burnt orange Mazda or Toyota.

And Brian had a burnt orange Porsche. So burnt orange was just the... I guess it was a... You know, it was a... The cheapest color? Yeah, they just loved it then. That's what they... What if someone threw orange in a fire? Ooh, that'd be bad. So not at all a similar car, but they're pretending like it is.

But Brian also was in a helicopter thousands of kilometers away during when the fire happened. So the cops then just said Peter used Brian's car even though it's a Porsche. So what? And the witness said there had been three people in the car, but the cops never explained that. And also Ray and Peter were at a birthday party that everyone saw them Then Peters unsigned confession said he sometimes drove Brian's car. So they just it's just crazy, but he never signed it He didn't sign it. No, sure. Okay. This is evidence

Yeah, well we wrote it so it's pretty it seems like we're pretty close to something on this one So that's pretty... Seems like we're pretty close to something on this one. So just the shit they say in all the reports that the Mikkelbergs say is fucking crazy and hilarious. Like, Ray just randomly one time said, quote, I'll give you a tip. Every operation has to have a safe house. And then he followed that up by saying,

safe house, a place or a person who can't be touched. Can't be touched? That made me think the last two years since Diana told me she slept with Arnie. Arnie was a neighbor and a friend until that night when she'd had too much eggnog and revealed my real Christmas present was coming on Christmas Eve. She was pregnant, and it sure as hell wasn't mine.

They teach you how to deal with everything in this business, but then the person you love gut punches you like that. There ain't a manual for that emotion. Two, three, four. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out.

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I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. I had to figure it out. and taken him for interviews, but the cops' notes all said they volunteered to go. While questioning Ray, they thought they'd bring him in the fake checks in a plastic bag, and then they'd just dump them on the table. And he'd be like, oh, no. But he is very careful to just touch the edges and not touch the check, which is what they wanted him to do. Pick him up and fondle him a bit.

Have a go. Pick him up. touch em as much as you want. Do this, do this. Touch them. And then roll it around. Put your thumb on some ink and then rub it on there. Enjoy that ink squink pass we just gave you. Enjoy the little strokes. Get in there, get out of what we call a DNA wrestle.

Go on, have a bit of a moment with your DNA on top of it. Hurry, don't be afraid to get a bit of semen in the middle. By the way, typewriter wise, get the fuck out of here. Okay, just, I think we're clear from the typewriter standpoint. I was laid off a month ago. So he's touching it around the edge and at the exact same time they have him in the interview

room, the cops raid his house and they take 20 of his right hand casts His fingerprints are inside all of these I'm gonna remember to never do crimes with this hand They also take the penis cast just in case. He might put his dick on the checks. Have you ever heard of a cock print? The cop said there was one unknown fingerprint on a check, which was a lie because the security guard had held it

and he'd never been fingerprinted. And when the fingerprint expert was... You imagine bringing 15 hands in like... Alright, we're not sure what this means, but we got him. So, he had a hand room. So, I don't know. We've got these, I guess. So when the fingerprint expert was given the checks, he did not photograph the fingerprint,

which was standard procedure, because fingerprints will disappear over time. He's not a nerd. He's just gonna do all the cool things. Have we heard of anyone doing their job? No. Like everyone was like I know what I'm supposed to do but you know what I mean. Yeah.

Time is money. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna waste my time with writing it down. No, no, no. With a mint. I've got tickets to Air Safari today. I've got shit to that. I'm not gonna waste my time but writing it down. No, no, no. Where's the mint? I've got tickets to Air Safari today. I've got shit to do. Come on. So they take one set of prints from Ray, which is also not procedure,

because if someone has prints on record, you take one set. If you have none on record, they take two. They took two of Peter and Brian, but not Ray. Okay. And they said Ray had no prints on record, they take two. They took two of Peter and Brian, but not Ray. Okay. And they said Ray had no prints on record, but his prints had been taken in 1976 for a misdemeanor, using a false identity. Captain James Hulce.

I love that he just made up a captain. That was his alias was captain. That's his alias. It's awesome. It's what you should be doing. Oh yeah, if you're gonna do it, forget about fighting back. Fucking go for it.

Yeah. And Father Reggie Buchanan. I'm Emperor Fuckknuckle, how you doing? Do whatever you want. I'm the Burger King. Actually, we already go under those. No, fuck. Hungry Jack!

Fuck. And his prints were in the Central Australian database. So, suddenly on the day when they have him in the room interrogating him, when they take all the right hands from his house, they match his prints to the one on the check. He was like, he had no clue. He was like, I'm leaving a lot of evidence behind. You won't be able to get my fingerprints unless you take the 30 hands from my living room.

But that'll never happen. But that would be crazy. So the casts are very detailed, even down to the fingerprint. Well, yeah. On the instant they're like, there we go. The fingerprint was sent to a specialist in Canberra, which had never been done before by Western Australian police.

And forensic experts would later describe this as, quote, totally unnecessary. LAUGHTER Glad they're on record. Absolutely useless. But we'd already bought the stamps, so we just wanted to send something, you know, like, come on. OK.

On our trip to Canberra. I also flew there as well, so I don't know. With the print and the confessions, they were arrested. And the trial was the first time the brothers heard what they supposedly had said in all those confessions and about the fingerprint. It's amazing how much the cops had to make up for something that is just loaded with actual, like,

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Author Avonleavelle listed 54 witnesses who were not questioned or whose statements were ignored by police. People at the Barker House and people who could provide alibis were not witnessed or ignored.

Of not being interviewed, one said, quote, I was staggered. It was totally bloody ludicrous. The manager of Peter's house was horrified to hear the cops had said it was an empty safe house said, quote, I was staggered. It was totally bloody ludicrous. The manager of Peter's house was horrified to hear the cops had said it was an empty safe house, because he was clearly living there. And then there's tons of documents

the cops never gave to the prosecutor. So the Meiglebergs are in jail. And while they're in jail, I don't know what the fuck happened, but while they're in jail, they start learning about fingerprinting forensics and doing experiments. What kind of fucking Shawshanky Library crazy shit is this? We'd like to have access to the prison laboratory. Okay.

You're not going to be doing any fingerprinting things in there, are you? No. All right. And can we have all my brother's hands? Yeah. All right. All right. All right. All right. And can we have all my brother's hands? All right. All right.

Fine. Arcel is now a forensic lab. Okay. As long as you don't do anything dodgy, that's fine. We just passed the bar and we're lawyers. All right. Okay. It's a little bit much.

So the brothers now realize the prince could be faked. And they're not. and we're lawyers? I don't know if it's okay. It's a little bit much. So the brothers now realize the Prince could be faked. And in March 1983, they... I've got some news, typewriter wise. That's why I came here in a cloak, in the darkness of night. We're not working with any typewriter stuff. Shh. I'm here to help.

In March, oh, sorry. I'll just need two of the hands. Just up by him. It feels like you guys don't need me here. Just use this. How did you get here? Through the sewer. You broke into prison through the sewer.

Yeah, I went through, and I've been through two wrong toilets. To talk about typewriters. Well, if you guys need anything. No, no, we're fine. I can't go back. I mean, I'm exhausted. I know, but if you can't go through this way, you gotta go back to the tunnels.

Yeah, it's gonna be weird if they find you. Is there nothing typewriter-wise going on here? No, no. We're using computers now. What are those? Yeah. Fuck, no one's told you? No, what? I've been in the sewer for about six months. Oh. Typewriters are obsolete now. If you've got computers, it's digital typewriters.

Obsolete as what? Uh, fucked? I don't know. Hmm. Your fucked, I guess, is what I'm saying. Yeah, the whole, your whole thing is like... Sounds like this family just got one brother bigger. Am I right?

No. No, you're not right. We have limited options, so it feels like maybe the fourth brother is here. Is anybody worried about you? Like, is there... You need to be cared about to have someone worry. Okay. See how sympathetic I can be?

That's pretty crazy. And still, I don't want you here. Does that make sense? Like, I feel bad for you? Let's do what Mom would want. Well, what? Peggy. That's our mom? Yeah, Peggy. Yeah.

She beat a guy to death with a nugget. Yeah. That's so her. Well, let's all lay down and sleep in the one cot like the three stooges. Awesome. He's not, by the way, that character's not done yet. I know.

There's one more beat, and I don't know what. It's not gonna be good. There's one more beat, and I don't know what. It's not going to be good. There's one more. It's definitely not going to be good. In March 1983, the brothers were convicted. Oh, no. All of us? That's it.

Now he's gone. It's a good exit. It's a good exit. That's it. Now he's gone. It's a good exit. It's a good exit. Applause Brian got 12 years, Peter got 16, and Ray got 20. Ah, damn it. Legal experts... I'm right, I think.

I just feel for Ray. He got the most. Legal experts and media were shocked. The sentences were harsher than those of serial rapists and murderers. In October, Ray filed a Freedom of Information Act request to find out about the fingerprint. That really makes me wonder about the general sentencing going on in this country at that time. I know. What did murder carry?

Five months. Don't do it again. You've learned your lesson. No, I haven't. I plan on doing it again. Shut up. Get out of here. Get out of here. You've learnt your lesson. No I haven't I plan on doing it again. Shut up, get out of here. That's a scam. That's a funny joke.

Anyway here's your knife. Here's a knife and a gun to get you started. But don't murder them. You'll need them to hunt. I murdered the bailiff. Oh we'll look past that. Don't worry, man. Ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum. Okay, get out of here. So he files a Freedom of Information Act request to find out about the fingerprint.

And his fingerprints, it turns out, were on file from 1976, and the federal police released them. And the Meckelbergs asked the Western Australian police about their access to Ray's print file, and received a letter stating the prints were destroyed at Ray's request the day after the charges were dismissed in 1976. Two problems. It can't be true.

It can't be true. A formal written request has to be made by Ray and he never made one. And it could only be done after the time the appeal expired, which was 21 days, not one day. So it's just a fucking lie. The unknown check fingerprint was never sent to the central repository. Either they had failed to send it or it never existed. And the Nickelbergs believed the print was placed on the check sometime after the crime. They had top fingerprint experts in the world look into it, and two concluded the print quote was consistent

with having been implanted by a rubber silicone cast on Ray's right index finger. Oh my God. Well, that's why you don't make 30 hand casts. Yeah. That's where that expression comes from. I know that now. Yeah, now.

Now makes sense. In retrospect, they had options. They were like, hmm, brass, silicon, silver. Another expert concluded it was from a silicone finger, not a human finger. So in November 1983, Brian was released after appealing. Peter and Ray continued to learn more and more about fabrications and ignoring evidence. But the Perth Mint froze any funds they had.

So they can't... They have no money. The Mint's just taking it. And then the prison refused to give them paper to write on, and it restricted their phone calls. Okay, smart. Yeah. On a trip to court, they found a handmade wooden pistol in the van.

So they reported it. And then the next day they found a knife and they reported it again. They were just going to say you had a weapon and then... I guess. Or maybe they're trying to be like, Ray, kill Peter. Yeah, okay. All right. Ray, okay, alright. Maybe. Ray, Brian and Peggy and the engineer were then tried for the yellow rose of Texas swindle and Ray... Peggy.

In the wig, no teeth. I'm not Peggy at all! Peggy, stop it. Ray and the engineer got five years, Brian three years, and Peggy now 61, who made no profit and had no idea what was going on, got 18 months. Oh, fuckin' Peggy. No. So fucked.

Where was Peggy the whole time? Just sitting in a wig in a room like... Writing. That'll come for me soon. I still don't know what's happening. Avon Lowell wrote a book called the Mikkelberg Stitch, which describes the affair. It's where a lot of this info came from. Many papers and news shows did stories on it, including 60 Minutes. And there was a concern that police would sue for libel when the book dropped.

Police were represented pretty poorly in that book. Yeah, you are fucking morons, so... Well, there we go. It's a similar... Hancock or whatever. What's his name? The Silver Fox. Hancock, the Grey Fox, yeah.

The Grey Fox. The Grey Fox. Detective Hancock responded, quote, buckets of blood. There's going to be buckets of blood. Ah. Well, cool quote. That's pretty cool. That could mean anything. Wasn't that the original Hungry Jack slogan?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If memory serves. Hungry Jacks, get your buckets of blood, kids. Buckets of blood. Buckets and buckets of blood. Free buckets of blood with every fry I see. And a crown! In-store appearance, the Grey Fox. Right after the book was written.

He was like the Ronald McDonald of Hungry Jacks here. That's right. Was the Grey Fox. Would you sound like a bucket of blood? Please stop talking to my family. Let me dump it right over the head. Have you seen Carrie? Every day is Carrie and Hungry Jax So now we're saying we do have nuggets

Right after the book was released a story was reported the distributor was being threatened to be put out of business by the police as were 850 booksellers the distributor was being threatened to be put out of business by the police as were 850 booksellers Some shop owners still sold it, but they would sell it in brown paper bags for nine dollars, and then the book would be inside Is that a porno no no it's just this crime It's a crime book no no I'm just gonna jerk book. No, they did it the other way around. He's like, the crime book, no, no, I'm just going to jerk off to this. Don't worry about it. You promise? Yeah, yeah, it's porn.

You'd be able to tell. Anytime there's a book in a bag, that's the book. No, it's a different one. Nope. This is Lord of the Rings. It's the story of Troto getting... He didn't want it. He's in a maze.

But mostly it's quashed. It just didn't sell. In February 1986, Brian died in a plane crash after he ran out of fuel. That's legit. Someone had used fuel and not put it in the log. In June 1986, Peter and Ray were attacked in the prison yard, and the guards were strangely absent. Ray's left little finger was bitten off

between the first and second joints and then flushed down a toilet. If only we had extra hands. The guy who got in the fight with him and bit off his finger was a police snitch and then he got out weeks later. Oh shit, what the fuck bite his hand off? I'll just do snitching. Not now, not anymore. Come on. Your hand bite it out, mate.

And you're gonna eat it. You're gonna eat the goddamn finger. I'd rather just get a little info from him. We don't need any info. In July 1989, a 20-ounce gold bar was sent to reporter Alison Phan, who covered the Meiklebergs. It said the brothers were innocent. The gold bar did? No, there was a note with it. This is strange. This is legal tender. They're innocent.

He could have used a typewriter. Oh, well, look who comes crawling back. Well, well, well. Sorry, we're all writing messages on golden bars now. Well, well, well. You wouldn't be able to type on that anyway. It mainly uses paper. Fun fact, peeled a curtain back a little bit.

On October 31st of that year, 55 kilograms of gold pellets were found outside the TV station with a note for fam. Also said the brothers were innocent. Oh, man! This is really weird, sort of like Rumpelstiltskin stuff going on. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to talk on the phone?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so it has a note that says the brother was innocent, and the writer also said his life was in danger and he'd, quote, seek revenge on those corrupt officials. And an inquiry was needed to look into them, quote, especially the rich ones. The pellets were then confirmed to be from the swindle. Two days later, the police announced an inquiry.

But no, not what you're thinking. The chief superintendent, quote, the focus of the investigation would be on the person who left the gold at channel seven. That's actually what I thought was happening. Yeah, they get it. The boys are like, we need to find out who this gold whizzable is. Fucking asshole. So Peter was released in 1989 and Ray in 1991 and they vowed to clear their names.

The Gray Fox became the officer in charge of CIB in 1989 and retired in January 1994 and he moved to Orabanda to run the historic inn. But he had run ins with the Gypsy Joker biker gang. Yes. That happens. Yep. Is that... That is a thing?

It'll happen. Oh, should we be afraid of something like that? Yeah, yeah. That could be here. So just be cool. Or they might be in the room. Oh, okay. Just be cool.

We're big fans. I love them. I don't think the name is fucking stupid at all. The name's not a problem. No, it's not a dumb... Name's dumb, it's not a ridiculous clownish name. No, that's great. It definitely doesn't sound like you made it up with those poetry fridge magnets at all. Sounds like a name that somebody thought about. One night, a gang member used a lewd language toward the Gray Fox's daughter who was a waitress and words were

exchanged later that night the biker was shot and killed by a sniper 300 meters away that happens yeah for sure yeah that happens it's a regular yeah you know places office make mistakes yeah most restaurants have a regular, yeah. Snipers make mistakes. Yeah. Most restaurants have a sniper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a regular restaurant sniper. Yeah, it's fine. You've got the host, the waiter, the cook, the sniper.

Absolutely. Can anyone cover my shift? I wanted to go to a dinner. Is anyone willing to sniper Friday? Peggy can do it. Peggy's a good sniper. I can do can do it, Peggy's a good sniper. I can do it. Jesus, Peggy.

She shot herself. Oh no! Many believed the Gray Fox had done it, but no charges came. On September 1st, 2001, as the Gray Fox pulled into his driveway, his car exploded. Oh. Which happens. Yeah, his car exploded. Oh. Which happens. Yeah, that happens all the time. That maybe the snob has shot the fuel tank by accident.

Yeah, absolutely. It's normal. Foxes go through that. Turns out it was a bomb. What? We could resell that. Yeah, you could resell that. It's a bit different from the picture you posted, isn't it?

I don't remember when I posted it. Isn't that Brain? Yeah, that's a different... Oh boy. That's the gray part of the gray fox. I don't know why we're... Is that Shrimp? Yep.

Yep. Brains are pretty gray, my man. Hancock and a friend were killed. A gypsy king was put on trial, but the- Wait, a gypsy king or a gypsy joker? Joker, sorry. A joker. Uh, why am I here for this? We're musicians.

We're on tour. This is where the wrong people, man. Shut up, gypsy kings. We know you did it. We literally where the wrong people man. Shut up Gypsy Kings. We know you did it. We literally don't even live here. Shut up. I've never ridden a motorcycle in my life. Shut the fuck up.

I play bass. Shut up. We know you did it Gypsy Kings. I think you're thinking of the Gypsy Joker. That name's too stupid to be real. You of the Gypsy Joker. That name's too stupid to be real. You're the Gypsy Kings, you have Gypsy in your first name and a second name, we know who you are. Oh, fuck. The jury did not believe the Gypsy Joker gang member

who had turned snitch, whose nickname was Snot. Snot? No, that's awesome. Hello. So they found. I plead Snot guilty. That's a very confusing way of putting it. You understand we don't know the plea you're entering.

Snot guilty. Not guilty, Snot guilty. Put him up for no contest. So he was found not guilty. Fucking put him up for no contest. So he was found not guilty. A year after the Gray Fox's death, his partner Anthony Lewandowski came forward to admit he and Hancock

fabricated the Mikkelberg confessions and lied at the trial and seven of their appeals. And that Peter had been stripped and beaten. So Peter and Ray filed a new appeal, and on November 2nd, 2004, the Western Australian Supreme Court

quashed their convictions. In 2008, the Western Australia AG said they would each get $500,000, which is like $20,000 a year or some shit for, so shit. In 2016, Legal Aid threatened to try to recover the hundreds of thousands of dollars it cost to defend the Meiklebergs, but they quickly withdrew their action after the public flipped out.

And so that's it. Fucking A. Wow. That is crazy. Normal story. That is crazy. Normal story. Fucking A. So what happened? Applause

What happened to the typewriter guy? Yeah, well Welcome to the air safari business. You still go on an air safari? Yeah. An air safari. That plane that went through far north Australia. Can we still go on an Air Safari? Yeah. Is there a way? An Air Safari. That plane that went through far North Australia. Can we still do an Air Safari?

Yeah, yeah. That's the question we're left with. We're all gone, look under your seats guys, we're all going Air Safari, yay! Yeah! Yeah! It's a nine seater, so it'll have to do a few trips. It's a Boeing, so we'll figure it out.

Oh yeah, right. Just hold on, wrap the seat figure it out. Just hold on. Have you ever heard of it? Yeah, stacked seating. I guess what's strange in a way is that anything changes. Like, the cops do shit like this all the fucking time. It's just maybe they were extremely sloppy. Yeah, it was just dumb. Lazy, sloppy, but nobody was doing anything properly. No.

I mean, the Meiklebergs sound like the most competent people, sloppy, but nobody was doing anything properly. No. No. I mean, the Meiklebergs sound like the most competent people, and they were out of their fucking tits. Like, they must have been shocked when they were in jail.. I live near the address. I live... Ask for ginger. Ha ha ha ha ha. I live near there. Because of that?

Yeah, yeah, well I said it's close, let's move there. It's a good brothel, they do a great deal. I mean school, it's a good school. School, school. It's a good brothel district, school district. Shit. That's good. Everyone's upset, because. I mean, nobody wanted the great fox to die.

Not in that way, anyway. No. No. Slower. Yeah. Under a thousand tons of shrimp. Yeah, no. Not what anyone's asking for. Instead of like the last time where the gold was there with the note, it was just like a handful tons of shrimp. Yeah, no. Not what anyone's asking for.

Instead of like the last time where the gold was there with the note, it was just like a handful of prawns. Like, make sure you're enticing. Full of the prawn trial, if you like. I don't want to. Come on, come on, shrimp prawn trial? Well shit, well give it up for, come on everybody. Thanks everyone. Let's see if you, come on everybody. Thanks everyone.

Let's see if you're hearing everybody. Thank you for joining us. Dan Anthony, thank you so much Perth, we appreciate it. Enjoy your night, thank you.