The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 663 - Chicago's Best Cop

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Comedians Gareth Reynolds and Dave Anthony examine Chicago's greatest policeman, Carl Nerdrum Tour Dates Redbubble Merch Sources   Squarespace  Aura Frames - Code Dollop Golden Nugget - Code: Dollop Rocketmoney  Mint Mobile  Helix Sleep

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I hate what you're doing to yourself. It's just strange to be so mad. I hate all the places you're going to. It's just strange. All of the... You're like a roving Saturday Night Live cast at this point, and I'm worried about you. It's the drugs. I'm worried about you. I'm worried about you. Admit that I look less like a corpse than last week

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Elon husk. November 9th, 1857. Now I should have looked up how to say this Norwegian. It's a Norwegian vowel. It's an A and an E combined. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, it's like the Ben Franklin alphabet. Sure.

So I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't know how to listen apart to I don't know how to pronounce it but uh, I Carl Needrum was born in Norway to Niger and the Weasel Niner on my whatever okay. What's his name? Carl okay There's a second of four alive kids

cool metric the family also has a live-in servant girl. So when Carl's 11, they moved to the US. And they settled in Chicago. Because where else would you go? Sure. We're really getting into this one. We didn't have a lot of fun over there. We just got right to business.

Yeah, we're getting to business. Because there's a lot in this one. So I got to jump straight to adulthood Now there's no AE vowel here. We don't do that because we are not bullshit here in America Yeager So they changed their last name from Named Roma, whatever it is to nerd room nerd room nerd

Nerdu RM nerd nerd nerd drum or nerd drum. Or nerd drum, or nerd. What Neil Peart was. Yes. So Carl's name becomes Charles. We don't know why. That just happens. He goes by Charlie. Is that okay?

What happened to you? Yeah, yep. It sure did. He goes by Charlie. A friend said when he was young, they called him Pretty Charlie. Yep. Sure did. He goes by Charlie. A friend said when he was young, they called him Pretty Charlie. Nice. So again, like you.

Very similar. A lot of people like you. Very similar. Charlie's dad dies when he's 12. So Charlie now has to leave school to work to bring in money to the family. Gets a job as a molderer like his older brother Vigo. So we're keeping Vigo.

We're keeping Vigo. Carl, we changed. Vigo we're standing down on. Well, Carl's too foreign. Carl's strange. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you what.

Twelve years old, the kid named Vigo comes to my school and he's new. Buckle the fuck up, Vigo. Buckle the fuck up. Not going to go good. No, it's not going good at all. You're going to Vigo. Not going to go good. No it's not going good at all. You're going to Vigo home crying. We were picking out names for our son. My wife was throwing a lot of crazy stuff and I was trying to explain to her how the

teasing happens. And I go, here's a good example. There was a kid named Miles. And she goes, okay. And I said, we all called him miles and miles of deep brown piles. So it's very, but that's almost unavoidable. You gotta be really careful. So you can't, so you can't give any bait. If you're going to do that, that's tough. Cause she was like, what if we name him Galen? And I was like, stop. This is going to be a, what are you

working for the other kids? What are you talking about? Are you in cahoots with the bullies? Well, I've told this story out here. There was a guy named, at my school, in his yearbook, and this kid came to my shows in the past couple years, so we're cool, obviously. Last name's Seaman. Showed up in fifth grade. It was like, buddy, you might need to get some counseling. Yeah. Seaman showed up in fifth grade. It was like, buddy, you might need

to get some counseling. Yeah. And then his brother, and then his brother, his brother was the, he directed traffic at the school and in his yearbook, his first name was Chris and his middle name started with a P and it was Chris P Seaman. And we all were like, are there cops behind this? This is entrapment for jokes. Chris P. Seaman. We had a guy named Open Jizmouth. What? His little sister Dorothea also dies.

At 21, Charlie married 18-year-old Betsy Fuglestadt. She's two and a half, she's three years younger, so that's not too bad, right? That's like decent for this time. It's great, it's normal, that's okay now. Yeah, two and a half years later, Charlie falls for divorce. But like you always say, it's not the number you get caught, it's the vibe, that's what you number you get, it's the vibe.

That's what you've always said, it's the vibe. Yeah. If you're vibing, not the bad number. 100%, Chris Collins worth it. Two and a half years later, Charlie files for divorce. He tells the court his wife deserted him, and she quote, "'had been in the habit of beating him with pokers and shoes and cutting him with knives

until he could no longer endure it without danger to his life. Okay, so that's, yep. That's fair. That's grounds. It's a bad marriage, it's a bad. She's going, these are murder attempts. Yep.

Yeah. Now on the other hand, Betsy said she was deserted and he was abusive. Okay, so. Yep. Yeah. Now, on the other hand, Betsy said she was deserted and he was abusive. Okay, so. So his did sound a little made up. I was he's starting to throw like she hit me with pokas and shoes, cutting me with knives while I sleep. She threw a cotton ball at me. She put anvil on my head. She was trying to get me with the spork. At 25 Charlie joins a detective agency and he gets married again. Uh huh. To Augusto what? Detective agency is so foreign now. Is it? I mean they're still around. They're around but it's different. They're like I'll get the metadata for you. Well now it's like they're still around. You just go out. They're around, but it's different. They're like, I'll get the metadata for you.

Now it's like they're- Online sleuthing. Well, it's Blackwater and shit like that. Like now it's like, or Z or whatever they became. Yeah. So he marries Augusta Weber. They have a daughter. Okay.

Who dies within 10 months. And they, they'd go and have four more alive daughters. No, wait, two, because only two made it to adulthood. But they had four for a while. But then that, over time, became two. That's worse. So, after a few years, Charlie joins the Chicago Police Department.

And we're off. One of the most honorable police departments in the country. They've only had one torture warehouse in the 2000s that we know of, a fine organization. A warehouse, was it a Costco? A torture warehouse. Oh my God. So he is liked by fellow cops, but then after a few months,

he gets fired for mistreating a prisoner. So this was back when there was accountability for that sort of behavior. And then a week later, he was hired again. Good, that's good, get him back in there. He's learned a lesson. It's like a grounding. So police supervisors at the time, well, at the time,

they don't mind brutal cops, but if there's like a public backlash, then they would fire the cop. Oh, it's a different. And then quietly rehire them at another station when the publicity died down. So now they suspend or they move? Yeah, they can fire him now and then he just gets hired in another town nearby.

Yeah. Yeah. And then he's just, and then we learn about him two years later when it's like, oh yeah, we should have seen that coming. He was deranged. And then we learn about him two years later when it's like, oh yeah, we should have seen that coming. He was deranged. Also, it helps that Charlie's brother-in-law was the commissioner of public works.

So he gets fired again in 1887. Not sure why, but this time he joins the Pinkertons. Oh, fuck. Here we go. This is around the time of the Haymarket Square incident. So they're doing good stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of strikes at the time. We've covered those. There's a lot of protests. There's bombings, a lot of bombings.

So fear of anarchists. It's also when a president gets, you know, the anarchists are really doing a number, bring it back the anarchists cause a mayhem. So the fear of anarchists is the highest it's been. And after a year working undercover for the Pinkerton's, Charlie claims that he has broken up a bunch of different anarchist groups. And then he applies to join the Karl Marx assembly of the Knights of Labor. So that's a lefty super lefty as an undercover undercover. Right. And he gets nominated by a group for the group by an organizer named Danny Daymire. Quote, one of the most astute and aggressive anarchists in the city.

Okay. So, there's another member, Albert Burroughs, and he had been a Pinkerton, but he had been fired. Okay. And he held a grudge against the Pinkertons, becomes an anarchist, but doesn't tell his federal anarchists that he at one time worked for the Pinkerton's. Yeah, you're there for the wrong reasons.

You don't want that mentality. A grudge holder? Well, no, you don't want someone who was of the Pinkerton mind and then is just doing a spite joint. Yeah, spite joints are great. At least you don't want them to get high up up because it's like you need that, you need that anarchism going down to the bones. You can't just be like, well, you know what? Now I'm anti-law enforcement

because they fucked me over. I don't know. I mean, it's, you will take you, but I don't think you're, you're not, you know what I mean? It's not the same. You're not in it, in it. It's like when a tight end was a basketball player. No.

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So Charlie tries to keep away from burs at this initiation meeting and he's worried the Burroughs would recognize him. Oh shit, right. So I guess they're all tucked away somewhere talking about initiations and Charlie's outside another part of the building and Burroughs sees Charlie and he tells the group because that guy's a spy. He's a picket dinner. So they, in the meeting, decide not to initiate him

and instead blackball him. So then they come out of the meeting and they take Charlie, like you're a fucking spy, you're blackballed, and he's like, I'm not a spy! And he says Burrows is the spy. Ah, yes, that's right, the old rubber glue. And then Burrows starts running. What, running away?

Yeah. This guy's got some problems too. Charlie was really caught in shit. That's not how you handle this, now you look really good. So do we think he was also a spy? No. No, he was truly a guy.

He just had the craziest reaction possible. Yeah, yeah. Because he hasn't told them he was a Pinkerton in the past, so he does have... Some skeletons. So Charlie chases him and catches him and starts beating him. Other brothers, now we're not sure who's the real spy, and some attack Burroughs and some attack Charlie. That's good enough.

And then some get in the middle and just try to stop everybody from fighting. Now in the brawl part, Charlie ends up getting arrested and fined $50 because he broke Burroughs' nose. Okay. And then after this, I guess because he blew his cover or whatever, Charlie is now fired from the Pinkertons. Okay. Okay.

That's weird. He goes back to being a cop. He's been fired twice. So he's, he's, yeah, right. Yeah. So, okay. So there's a guy who can't hold the job. That's what I'm hearing.

No, but he's also like, yeah, he's law enforcement's the mentality. Yeah, he doesn't want to yeah And now as a copy starts getting a lot of press about making big arrests He caught a man who cut off his wife's lover's ear. Oh I think you're going somewhere else. Oh, the dong. Yeah. Yeah. A doncha. But that's hard to grab and cut.

It's hard to explain. Hold on. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Let me let your husband jack me off and then we're cool. But that still is wild. The ear cut.

Yeah. But apparently people loved it. It was a big story. Yeah. People just call it Street Justice. Yeah. Yeah. But apparently people loved it. Like it was a big story. Yeah. People just street justice. That's right. He rated the ACME copy company and he rested the president for producing obscene pictures. Okay. He broke up a fight between two men by shooting at one in the middle of a crowded area. You know, just hearing these things, I've always guessed I've thought because because what year are we in? Are we in 1900? Yeah, we're in 1890s.

Okay, because I always do, I'm always like, oh, he just got so toxic. But it's like, we are always the problem and we've always just been like, that's awesome, he shot in a crowd. Yeah, we love it. Yeah, that's problematic behavior. Yeah.

He arrested a seven foot guy. Say no more. Giant. He worked at a circus for creating a disturbance in a disreputable house. So I don't know that maybe brothel. Maybe he got into a, he's seven feet. He throwing around people or whatever. God, imagine having like a giant come into your brothel room and be like, terrifying. Oh, this is cool. I should point out I have a couple things I really love to do. Are you

familiar with wheelbarrowing? Oh, no, don't drop trial. Oh, he's laying gone. Oh, so Charlie often would claim that his suspects had resisted arrest. That's my that's the best classic. So he had to, you know, go overboard with the first possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're allowed to do everything you want. Now papers were definitely discussing and disgusted by his increasingly terrible brutality. Sometimes not, sometimes they're okay with it. He brought in a guy, quote, badly bruised about the face, both eyes being nearly closed, but the press was fine with it because he had been arrested for beating a blind woman. So they're like, yeah, that's fine. So it's, that's a tough one. It's situational

okay with brutality. Yeah. That's like a, that, that is an eye for an eye. Well, pardon the pun, but that is like, you know, you're more sympathetic cause you're like, Oh, well yeah, you beat up the guy who beat her up. Like the line is They're supposed to be superior to our petty ways But yeah, like you like you you killed a guy on a subway car who was having a mental illness situation But if you killed hundreds of thousands of people by making health care decisions and your bad guy so Charlie caught the Attention of the police captain, Michael Shaq. And I say Shaq because there's an extra A in that.

Shaq. Shaq. Okay. Shaq is a big Antichrist guy. He's like, you know, taking the credit for the Haymarket arrests and whatnot. Okay. So Charlie is put on a special unit that operates outside department regulations. Cool.

That's cool. What you want to do with the abusive guy. That's cool that you have a wing. Yeah. That's like, and by the way, you guys do whatever you need to. I mean, this is straight out of LA Confidential. So Shaq, quote, I employed a number of outside men, choosing especially those who were familiar with the anarchists and their haunts.

The funds for this purpose were supplied to me by public spirited citizens who wished the law vindicated in order preserved in Chicago. So a private group of citizens paid a... Rich guys. Huh? Rich guys. Rich guys pay the cops to have a side cop business to take really whatever measures they want to stop anarchism.

That's correct. And they're literally taking the most brutal guys from the police force. And the difference between then and now is that wing is now the police department's pretty bad. That's right. So November 1889, a meeting of the Arbeter Bund was held to debate the eight-hour work day. So it's a working class guy's thing and they're debating. Charlie comes and he brings his buddy, Charles Harvey to see Charlie's.

And a leftist whispers to his friends, I guess loudly that Charlie is a cop. It's Jackie. Charlie's undercover. I think he's supposed to be undercover, but maybe not. He's part of the side regulation, but he's also had to tell a press at this point Yeah, I don't know. I don't know like it's not like a for undercover if he is It's not like photos are everywhere videos now like you see maybe you know what I mean, so I don't know It's kind of a gray area there, but whatever I thought it's also not as big of a town so more people know each other So when he gets accused of being a cop by this guy, Charlie, of course, naturally

pulls his gun and threatens to shoot the guy. I'm not a cop. Anyone who thinks I'm a cop, point out one thing I'm doing that seems cop-ish. I'll fucking kill this guy if you keep accusing me of that shit. And then he clubbed the guy and arrested him. All right, look, I'm not a cop, but you are under arrest. And he arrested two other guys. You guys too. Not a cop.

I'm one of you. I don't believe in law. I'm going to take them downtown where they're going to go sit in front of a judge. So these guys are very quickly acquitted and then they swear out warrants against Charlie and Charlie has a trial and he claims he never struck the guy, but he was just holding up his gun to keep an anarchist from taking it. She's holding up high. Yep.

Absolutely. That makes sense. Absolutely. That's how you, um, his buddy who was there with him, Harvey backs the story up completely. He's like, he was doing keep away and Charlie. We played monkey in the middle for a little while. So Charlie gets acquitted of perjury, but he is convicted of assault for hitting the guy. Sure. OK. He gets fined twenty dollars in court costs. Which is nothing.

Nope. So the Personal Rights League is a lefty organization. And they then asked the mayor to remove Charlie from the force. Okay. And the mayor's like, no, he's no, we call it fort like police force. We've been asking for it from inception. What do you expect? Yeah. In the name. Yeah. So the person,, when the mayor says no, the personal rights league is furious and then they get together a bunch of other groups. So, all these groups join together, the central labor union, pioneer aid, the support association, socialistic publishing society, the Eiderbund, others, they're all demanding Charlie be prosecuted

and fired. And then suddenly in late January 1890, Charlie is suspended from the force. That's how you do it. But it's not what you would think. Charlie came up with an idea to make the leftist organizations leave him alone before he gets suspended. He went to this guy, Henry Lin Meyer Jr., who is connected to the personal rights leagues, prosecution, the thing that they're trying to get going.

And he tells Lin Meyer that there are socialists on the police force. Oh my God. Meaning double agents, right? Oh my God. And double agents, right? Oh my god. And double-sided, working both sides. And they're being paid $60 a month by the cops. Can you believe in this taxpayer-funded organization

that we have people who are looking for social services? No. Wow. It's shocking. They walk amongst us. So he is like, I'll give you proof. If you guys stop trying to pursue these charges against me. So he's basically saying I'm going to out the cops by who is he saying that to? He's saying that to this group of the people who want him.

One guy, just one guy, this one guy that's connected to the personal. So he's like, I'll out the socialists on the force. Basically. And so there's, so this guy said, and then he hands over 14 secret reports on leftists that are very detailed. They're written by a police spy. And they're all their conversations are written down and deliberations and who do why it's just all this shit.

And they're written by. Henry Danmire, now Henry Danmire, if you recall, is the guy who vouched. Yeah, the at the the beginning who was like, this guy's great, let him in the anarchists. And Denmire is a super high up guy. He's also in the Arbitrabund. He's president of the Free Thinking Organization. He's advocated that the anarchists kill three judges from the Haymarket trial.

He is deep in the anarchists and he's just a full on fucking narc. Yeah. Bitch, as we call him in the business. And Dan Myers whole thing was he would make super inflammatory statements and then get others to mimic those statements. And then he'd report them to police and they'd get arrested. And the guy who's giving Dan Meyer his payment, his $60 checks, is Charlie. So what? So what is he like? He's like, he's trying to save his own skin.

So, but so much so that he's just like, me and him are doing it. It's not really much of a saver for you. It's such a... I mean, they know he's a cop, so he can't get... He can't get narked out, but he's just trying to stop a prosecution. He's finding someone worse. No, he's throwing this guy that is like embedded in the anarchist that by the way, also probably very valuable to whatever the fuck the police are actually trying to do. Like this is a guy that's successful at it when Charlie isn't.

Yeah, right. It's just crazy. So, uh, so Lin Meyer gives the reports to the attorney for the personal rights league and then they contact the police and that's why Charlie gets suspended. And only suspended. Only suspended. They're like, Charlie, you've upended one of the biggest organizations and one of our

best guys embedded. You're going to be off for the weekend. So that attorney was getting ready to present the case against Charlie to the police board when Charlie Harvey now comes forward and says he'll be a witness. Okay. Which kind of makes sense because Charlie had gone against the cops and fucked over their undercover operation. So it kind of makes sense that his cop buddy would now help him out or help out the

get him. And remember Harvey's the guy that was there when he beat the guy in the meeting. Sorry, when he held the gun up. Held the gun up but he also beat the guy. No, no, no, no. Oh no, you're right. You're right. No, no. He was holding the no, you're right. No, you're right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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And he retracts everything he said in the affidavit And now he claims instead the attorneys for the personal rights league Tried to hire him for a thousand dollars to follow cops. And the board of course finds that there's no credible evidence now against Charlie and he's off scot-free. Boy, this is real sloppy shit. It really is. It's crazy.

It's just Charlie's okay. Yeah, he's fine. He got just so bad. And now Charlie's okay. Yeah, he's fine. He got out of it. He got what he wanted. He got out of it. It didn't happen exactly as he wanted, but he still got out of it. So that night Harvey goes out drinking after his big testimony. Of course.

Big, big... It's like the theater. Yeah. Yeah. What a sham. Yeah. He's partying and laughing and bragging about how he pulled the fast one on the personal rights league And make them look stupid. He leaves the saloon three in a car anarchist jump him quote

His eyes were closed great knots stood out on his forehead and his lips were split open He came staggering into the armory shortly after and began to call loudly for his friend Nordrum to avenge his wrongs. Nordrum! So they... Alright. They just beat the shit out of him, swelled his eyes up. Yeah.

And then he goes... Classic cop, by the way. Yeah. Walks into the armory screaming for help. So of course, Charlie's back on the force after all that, right? And he catches a jewel thief. He goes to Milwaukee to pick up truant. It's just the usual cop stuff.

And then suddenly a month later, the Chicago Tribune reported that he unexpectedly resigns. That's not good. If this guy is just quitting, something's coming. He's getting ahead of something. It's like when Matt Gaetz was like, I will fight this to the end. And then the next day he was like, I'm on cameo for 255. Five. So. Quote, Nordrum entered Barry's saloon in a slightly intoxicated state Sunday evening about seven o'clock and reaching over the counter,

discharged his revolver, the bullet entering the floor. The report of the weapon attracted quite a crowd, a number of people rushing in from the theater Adjoining and the billiard hall back of the saloon. Okay, first of all Great. I think it's a Dave and Buster's but I think we've Matured enough as American people now that when there's gunshots we go the other way. I If we do anything a lot of us are just like I if we do anything a lot of us are just like that's fine

That's what he's fired five. There's only a couple left one went into the ground. We're good I was driving the other day and thought that I heard gunshots and was very much like Yeah, I don't know what uh What I do and it's just very strange that I didn't hear them But you just are so comfortable in this country thinking that things are just gonna be shooting at you. Yeah No, that's cool So and then continuing the Newspaper report Norderm evidently did not Mean any harm and he was in a jolly mood and was let off with

a rebuke from his friends for carrying a revolver while under the influence of liquor. So it was just a big... Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So here's the issue. I thought he was out of line. Right. He was just having a big old goof off. Yeah, he's having a party.

Like it's a party guy. So a guy walks into a pub, he starts funnin' with a gun a little bit. He's having an old fun gun. Okay. Yeah. And that's cool. I didn't realize the intent. When you're reaching over the bar, sometimes your gun will go off. Well, you're holding it. But you're holding it so other people can't get it. Which is how you're supposed to do it. That's one of the first things they teach you in law enforcement. Keep it up in the air and if you go over the bar, point it to the ground.

If you have it in your hand, it's not in someone else's. Yeah. So that's how that works. And nobody can get hurt if it's in the air. If you're going to the bar, point it to the ground. If you had it in your hand, it's not in someone else's. Yeah. So that's how that works. And nobody can get hurt if it's in your hand. No. Yeah. No, and he shot into the, yeah, no, this guy's good stuff. This is good stuff.

But apparently there's a detective lieutenant guy. Here we go. Who hears about it. Some fucking paperwork pushing nerd. And he files charges. Oh my God. And then that's why Charlie resides. Wow. Wow. Nothing for nothing for doing nothing. Thankfully, Gareth. Come on. He's back. The Pankerton's however right now. He Bring it right back because they know a good guy

when they hear one. So he wasn't Pinkerton material prior to this. Well, he's been three times. Yeah. But now this they're like, you really are a piece of shit. You know, now you are a big piece of shit. Get over here. secret cop. So he works this train robbery case farm for a while. And then after he's done with the train robbery case, he is rehired as a cop. Walk me through their ladder. It's upside down. The worse you get, the more you're employable. I mean, I guess when you're a bigger piece of dog.

So he fires a gun into a bar floor. He's too big. He's busted for that. The cops can't. He has to leave the police force realizing he's a huge lump of shit. The Pinkerton snag him up after being a big piece of shit there for a while, the cops are like, you know what? He was real bad. Yeah.

Get him back. Let's get him. Get him back over here. You know, I think it was the classic thing. They were like, look, go away for a little bit, go work with the Pinkerton for a little bit and then I won't forget about it and we'll have you back. That's what it is. That's what they keep doing.

I was canceled. They canceled me. So he gets back to work. Papers reported he arrested Benjamin Schumacher, quote, 14 years old, the champion boy forger. Schumacher. Wait, what the, there's a lot going on there. Welcome to the forgery championships.

It's hard for us to know who wins this because everybody here is a professional forgerer and he's 14. Schumacher is a chubby little rosy cheaps lad scarcely out of his short trousers. But he's a great forgerer for a teenager. Champion forger. He's a champion forger.

14 of out of all the 14 year olds who are forging he's the best 14 yes he's the greatest great at forgery because at that point they they judge forging on how old you are until you're 18 and then it's you know right then you don't leagues yeah adult yeah I couldn't find anything else about that I'd trust me I look for it. It's probably hard to trace. Yeah. Whoa! Look at you! You little rascal. He arrested Ivan Shea, a dealer in butter and cheese,

and a member of the United Norwegian ... Hey, Sheriff! Sheriff! I'm going to need to see some identification before you walk past me with that turn. What did you say, pal? Yeah, I'm with the butter and cheese department. How are you with butter and cheese? With the two cops named butter and cheese

And John Butter, this is Daniel Cheese Wait, you got you guys named butter and cheese? Yes. Yes But yeah, but you're from the butter and cheese dealers? But you're from the Butter and Cheese dealers? Well, ask the questions here. Your story's got more hole than my partner's Swiss counterpart. Don't forget, his name's Dan Cheese. Do you set these things up ahead of time? Do you have them written down? We have a... there's a document.

Do you guys not improvise? Butter's not great on the floor Okay, so I don't know what's going on here, but I'm just I just bought some I bought some groceries, so I'm going home Yeah, so I don't know what you guys are doing Everyone slow down. It's me detective Kurtz Okay, I'm out Fucking gross wet cheese guy and you can go fuck yourself. Get back in your bag.

Get back in your fucking bag you weirdo. Yeah. My name is Jonathan, I can't believe it's not butter. I'm a spray cop. I hate that guy. Hi, I'm Marty Madren. How you doing? Marty, get out of here. You prick of creep. Hey guys

They call me they say I'm not a real cop, but I'm a real cop John key I'm like the best part of but why are you looking at me weird? I'm like the best part of the better I'm like $20 for a jar. It's crazy For a jar. It's crazy. Shay is also a member of the United Norwegian Singing Society. So he's a dealer in butter cheese. And like, I mean, this is very classic 1800 story and also the Norwegian Singing Society.

So Shay loans a buddy 10 bucks. And that guy, when he's going to give the money back, he's like to Charlie, he's like, you're gonna go see Shay? And he's like, yeah, I'll see him today. So he gives Charlie the $10 to give to Shay. It's a simple transaction that should not be brought up except for the fact that something went wrong. Charlie keeps it.

Of course, what a cheap piece of shit. And then Shay's like, hey man, where's that money? Can I get that money? So Charlie beats the shit out of him and knocks out three teeth. Right. Mm hmm. That's you know what? Mind your business. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? Absolutely. How dare you? So he then beats him up and arrests him. That's a move that he's really perfecting and I appreciate it. I agree. He beats the shit out of you, then you're under arrest. He

assaults you, then you're going downtown. Yeah, that's which is what cops have been doing. Stop it. Happened to me once. Uh, so. I'm on their side for that one. Yeah, I know. So this is Charlie's story. Charlie's story is that he's at the park when Shae just randomly comes up and offers a friend five dollars to punch Charlie in the head, or hit Charlie in the head with a beer glass. So that makes sense.

Right? That makes sense. Okay, in a park, you can bring a beer glass with you. Yeah. Yeah, I have a beer glass in a park. You're in a park. You have a props department. Quote, when I heard that, I placed them both under arrest, but the crowd took the prisoners away from me.

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So it's a guy who's outside of his place. He's outside of his fucking apartment. He's had a few, right? Yeah, by the way, not okay. I hope they follow up. So King orders him to go up into his apartment. I can't believe, go to your room. Go, get out of here.

So. Leave the street. He said the dentist used violent abusive language. Absolutely. Then from up above, someone threw slops. Mm-hmm, toilet? From a window onto the detective's. Yes, Gareth, it is the.

Toilet? What's inside of a chamber pot. Oh, so slops. Slops, slops is good. It's good. Right. Did Luke just get a new nickname? So slops is good. By the way, not enough people just collecting their waste for revenge splashes, right? That's it. I bet that happened a lot. Oh my God. You kidding me? People throwing shit on other people at the window.

Oh my God. I would be known as Sloppy Anthony. You'd be sitting on your chamber pot, punching your stomach to get more slops out of your gut for revenge tossers. Come on, make more ammo. Don't walk down 4th Street. That's where Slops Anthony lives. Oh no. I've been eating beans, boys.

Just everywhere you go, you're in a poncho. Like look, you got to be careful. So that, the Slops could have been also thrown by Dr. Gagnon, who is another dentist who lived on the fourth floor and shared a practice with Dr. Herrick. So they live in their office. It sounds like, yeah, it sounds like they live in their offices. So we just come up with a sitcom? Yes.

Okay. So Charlie runs upstairs and on the third floor, he sees that there's a light on in a room and that's a guy named Daniel White who's in his room and Charlie pounds on the door and White's like, well I'm not going to open the door for this crazy asshole pounding on my door. Absolutely the move. So Charlie kicks the door in. Absolutely not okay.

And he arrests Daniel and he arrests. On the grounds of what? Not fucking opening your door while it sounds like a Terminator's there but he's like the light was on you're the guy who did it he's the slop guy right okay and uh three of his friends are also arrested and he takes he takes them to the armory and Mrs White, Daniel White's wife, she asks um the first dentists, she's like, can you go bail out Daniel? I guess probably because you started all this shit, like being drunk outside and all those friends.

And so they go to bail out Daniel. So this is cops versus dentists, which is awesome. Finally we have this. This is the battle that we've been waiting for a long time. The West Side story the way it should have been. Absolutely. And Charlie and King are also now out looking for the dentists. Okay.

So as they're looking for the dentists, they happen upon this craps game. And Charlie walks up behind a guy who's just standing there, Charlie Murren, oh sorry, William Murren, who is just watching the craps game. And Charlie pushes him over the guy playing craps. Smart, well I mean, you know, that's smart, fair, normal. Yeah, it's what you do.

And William's really tall and they start scuffling. And then Charlie pulls out his gun and puts it right to make sure that nobody could get it. Thank you. Yes. Don't skip over the reason why he's doing it. Yeah. The second you see something go down, you grab your gun and hold it out above your head

to make sure nobody can do anything dangerous with it. Right. And he puts, he pushes it against this Mern's guy's chest and then starts, you know, escorting him away because he's going to arrest him. Right. And Mern is of course protesting. So Charlie takes the gun and puts it near his face and ear and shoots it. Ah, that's not good for your ear. And then he takes him to the armory and books him for disorderly conduct and resisting a

police officer. Boy, you're around a lot of people who are being assholes today, Charlie, once again. A lot of dicks, man. A lot of people being a problem around you, the solution. I guess, have I mentioned that Charlie has a terrible drinking problem, is probably drunk during every single one of these incidents? It actually helps me. Does it make more sense?

Yes. He's always shit faced. doesn't make more sense. Yes. He's always shit faced. Yes. Always shit faced. Good. Yeah. Now. All right. He's humanized. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. I didn't know he was just drunk the whole time. Now he's like a guy. It's like my dad is a cop. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So Charlie came back out on patrol looking for the dentist and now, and then they come across him and the dentist have just bailed out Danny White and his friends. And they're coming home from that. And the main dentist says to one of his friends, that's the cop who harassed me, and that's why you got arrested. So King just punches the dentist in the face, because that's what you do.

And the other dentist gets involved. Now both dentists finally get the shit beat at them, which is what they wanted to do at the beginning. That's why this all started, because they wanted to beat the fuck out of these dentists. So they finally get to beat up the dentist. And they arrested the other dentist. And now they take those two dentists to Central Station. They don't take them to the armory because it's going to be a lot harder to get bail

at Central Station. So they want them in there until Monday. It's also going to be weird if you show up again like, do you have more dentists? You've been gone for like two hours. There's a real dentist problem out there tonight, Saj. There's a dentist riot. It's dentist mayhem. Are you just going out looking to arrest dentists?

Why would I do that? Because if you are, you're promoted. I love dentists, except for the motherfucker that took out the wrong molar. You know what? They all got to pay, Sarge. Every goddamn one of the dentists gotta fucking pay. You know what, let's get three of them in here and do a cavity search on them.

Turn the tables. Hello, hello. Which cavity? I'm gonna make a new one. Yeah. And you better have teeth in there. Well. You know what I'm saying?

Look, you've got daiquiri all over your uniform. I don't know how the human body works, Sarge. That's exactly right. Look, we're a good unit. Yeah. And everybody knows that. Let's shoot somebody. OK, great.

Yeah. Stop resisting. You? No, no, that's what I was going to. Oh, a guy. OK, I'll do that on the street. I won't shoot one of you guys. All right. You? No, no, that's what I was gonna... Oh, a guy, okay. I'll do that on the street. I won't shoot one of you guys.

All right. Because you're my coworkers. All right. All right. All right. Do I... Farewell. Yeah.

Oh, I gotta... Yeah, the thing with the dentist. I gotta kill the dentist. You told me to kill the dentist, right? Sure. Just get out. Okay, happy cop day. I think so.

So, he, so this is what, so he rests that guy, right? And then at the trial, the station cop, right, that he brings him into, testifies that although Charlie was drinking, he's not greatly affected by liquor. That's amazing. He's an alcoholic. At the Charlie. He's so, that guy, I put this in the record, you're on a-

He doesn't do sober. Charlie can handle a buzz like nobody you know. Charlie is, Charlie has such an issue that there's no issue. Charlie can handle a buzz like nobody you know. Charlie has such an issue that there's no issue. Yeah he can, I mean he holds his liquor, he's basically arresting liquor every night, that's how he's on top of it. Charlie's been dead for years. If he had been, if he had been, he couldn't, if he had been, he couldn't have handled the

man. So he's saying if he was so drunk it affected his job, then he couldn't have handled the guy. Right. And then the guy presses charges against Charlie, the Tribune quote, Marron's eye is badly blackened and his eyebrows burned. So that's where he shot the gun near his face. Jesus Christ, he burned his eyebrows off.

He claims he was thus injured when Nordrum fired his revolver to intimidate him. So Charlie said he'd been mining his own business. He did it again, it's just like when he was in the park. How many times has this guy- I'm just hanging out. I got to tell you, I got a black collar with the following me.

You can't stand around on the streets anymore. Boy, oh boy. So he's minding his own business when Moran just walked up and grabbed his gun from behind and threw it into a basement as they do. Absolutely. And then the gun went off. So he punched Moran and arrested him.

Now, let some people are going to hear that and think far fetched. I just love that he brought the basement. I also love that it felt like he had a long time to come up with a story and he made it up on the fly on the fly. Yeah, on the fly. And then he throw it in the basement. And then, um, so I the fly. And then he throw it in the basement. And then, um, so I beat him up because my gun went off in the basement and then he burned his own eyebrows off celebrating with a cigar. Well the Moran ends up being found guilty and he's fined $3. Good. But this gets the attention of the chief of police, McClaughery.

I want you to replace me when I retire, Charlie. So Charlie and King are fired. Okay. Don't you think it tends to the end of the story? Can't can't go on right now. And then the chief recommends Charlie for the World's Fair Police Department, because the World's Fair is getting started, and they need a police force.

Fair is not the right thing. Well, the World's Fair is a giant thing. Yeah, huge. It's like its own city. So in September 1891, Charlie is hired as the chief of the World's Fair Police. Why is that happening? So it really is just about moving him around.

Yeah, right. They like him. At the end of the day, they like Charlie. Yes. Yes. People fear him. They don't care about the dentist or anybody else that he's fucking up.

So basically, he and his men are going to guard the property. They're building massive buildings in construction for the fair that's like a year and a half or two years away. Oh my God. Within a month, he has already gotten a $20 raise. He's done nothing. He's done nothing. Yeah.

When I was a kid, I used to, my brother would watch reruns of the Andy Griffith show. That show really, it was like two guys who didn't want to arrest anyone. It is so opposite to what the actual... It's like they're dead set on arresting everybody. Everybody. But if you could just go back to like, we don't want to do that. Right. Right. But instead it's like everyone go to jail.

Everyone. You looked at me, we'd go to jail. Yeah. I mean, when I was in college, we had a party at our house and they busted it up and my buddy was supposed to stay with us that night, they're like, do you live here? And he goes, no. And they go, we'll go. And he's like, I'm too drunk.

My plan wasn't to drive. And they made him get in his car and turn on the ignition and then they arrested him for DUI. Oh, shit. Yeah, good stuff. See, my brother has that story, but the cops followed him home like two blocks and let him off. Oh yeah.

There's that. And when I got my DUI, shout out, I was really like, no, I was like trying to like talk to the cops. I was like, I could probably talk my way out of this. And it was a sad, sad night of maybe like, where are you from? I was like, I could probably talk my way out of this. And it was a sad, sad night of me being like, where are you from? I was like trying crowd work. I was like, man, guys. Oh.

And the guy was like, so shut the fuck up. My buddies, back in the 80s, my buddy's dad would get pulled up. They knew him. The cops knew him. They would get pulled over by the cops all the time driving home drunk. And they would just have him park his car and drive him home. Yeah. And drop him off at home.

No, because there was this sense of this, like the worth of it was to make it all just a little bit easier. And like, absolutely, if there were problems, intervene as much as you could. But it wasn't just like, get it and go to jail. For white people. Yes. Well, for white people. Yes, yes, for whites, yes.

But that was like, at some point, obviously when you came up with like enormous prisons where it's like prisons for profit, everything gets white boarded, obviously. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he's the chief of police of the World's Fair in November. One one of his men sees a yacht capsize off 67th Street in Lake Michigan. It's freezing cold. And they think they see people clinging to the side. So the Tribune reported that Charlie had his men search long after everybody else gave up. He had his men still out there looking,

but they don't find anybody. There's no sign of any sailors, and no boats that had put out from South Chicago. There's no one missing. There's no boats missing. So the papers think that maybe the people just saw something out there, like a log or something, and they mistook it for a boat. And they imply that Charlie is kind of a fucking idiot

for wasting so much time looking for a. Not thing that's real. Well, he fucking had an alcoholic blackout mirage people. For sure, he was drunk, for sure. Yeah. So then two days later, two hats are found on the beach. Quote, Sergeant Carey of the World's Police Force found a red and brown Scotch planes cap such as a yachtman might wear in the lake

at the 59th Street Pier. Well, well, well. The red and blue, satin lining was heavily matted with sand, but there was nothing about it to designate the owner. And then the other hat found the same. So, suddenly, Charlie is correct. So they found two hats.

Two hats. For the beach, at the beach. And now that means that he's a... They didn't... By the way, they didn't find those people. They found nothing else? So they didn't really do anything. Nothing else from the ship?

But even if those people existed, they died. So maybe less of a waste, but still amazing. Last we found a spade and so it's pretty obvious what's going on here. It's a bucket, a spade. So his drinking behavior only gets worse. One day he goes into a bar and just starts yelling at the bartender, quote, unbecoming names, and then he pulls out his gun and everyone runs out of the bar because the guy pulled out his gun.

He will shoot it. Yeah. So he gets arrested and he hears a guy another time talking shit about him. So he goes to the guy's job. It's the world's fair fairgrounds and he takes the guy to Hyde Park and declares him a vagrant, beats the shit out of him and arrests him. Well he takes him to the park to make him seem like a vagrant to beat the shit out of him? Yeah. It's a weird drive over there. I mean it's a long drive but whatever. So charges are also filed against Charlie but no cop wants to arrest him.

They're all just charges. They either like him or they're scared of him scared of him. This is Trump in the Republican Party. I'm not crazy about it, but I also don't want to get in front of it. So this guy, Constable Gilbert is told to bring him in. That's his job. It's his assignment. And days go by and he's not getting Charlie.

And the papers start mocking him because he can't find the guy who's always working at the World's Fairgrounds. Yeah. He's like, I can't can't. Every time I look. So after a few days, Charlie turns himself in, saying he's tired of waiting to be arrested. Wow.

That's pathetic. And then a really rich Chicago guy pays his bond, saying he would back Charlie, no matter what happened. Love it. Guy's my guy. So a lot of people want Charlie fired now. But the fair superintendent comes out and says, Charlie, nerd him is doing a fine job. He's very good. He's great. And then is this the story of how the holster got invented?

Two months later, Charlie is arrested when two fair cops charge him with assault and battery. Bro, I mean, he's fucking... I think he wants to be fired. He's asking to be let go. He just wants to do his thing, man. It's just like, Hey man, we'll figure it out. Charlie owed one of the guys 10 bucks. And when the guy asked for it, Charlie punched him and then kicked him a few times in the face. Fucking Christ. And then the second, give him $10 walk away, walk away. The second cop- If you give him $10, walk away. Walk away. The second cop came in and tried to stop it, and he did, I guess, but then 30 minutes later,

Charlie found the second cop and beat his face with the butt of his gut. Jesus Christ. So they filed charges, but then neither cop shows up to the trial, and the case is dismissed. Fear's powerful. So somehow the chief of construction of the fair has power and he fires Charlie for beating up the two cops. Okay. The Tribune reported quote, the captain was credited with being a remarkably good officer when he could forego his propensity to fight. That's Charlie. That's that's the same about Charlie. They're saying Charlie is a really good cop. When he's not drunk and he's not fighting, when he's not shooting his gun at people,

when he's not breaking the law, when he's not being arrested, when he's not trying to not be arrested, when he's not driving people to places where they want to beat the shit out of them. This guy's an unbelievable officer. Yeah, I mean, I think what they're saying there is when he's not drunk. Fool me 845 times times shame on us. We were all we're asking for is sober Charlie to be a cop when Kai when he's not sober. He's in a role you are in an abusive relationship thinking that this person is going to change

at this point. Absolutely. You are the issue. So he's rehired by the Pinkerton's. This is fucking nuts. That's their like back in. Charlie, you real piece of shit, get over here. You're unbelievable.

They were about to go to Homestead, Pennsylvania in July 1892 to invade the Carnegie Steelworks and take out the Strikers. Now, if you remember this, they picked up Charlie to lead them and the plan was to sneak up the river at night on a barge and overtake the mill. I mean, it's just crazy shit to be like, it's crazy. The Tribune quote, leading a body of armed men to attack upon a labor union. They're invading a mill. Yeah.

He will prove himself of esteemable value. Now this is in episode 346. I think it's 336 if I'm not. Don't ever talk to me again. So the strikers are waiting for the Pinkertons to come on their little ship. They get word ahead of time. Right.

And their barge lands by the mill and Charlie is on deck and he yells, quote, "'We're coming up that hill anyway "'and we don't want any more trouble from you men.'" And then he goes blow deck. Okay, interesting, interesting. And then the shooting and fighting starts. A Pinkerton later testified, quote,

"'When it came to the pinch in the fight, "' Pinkerton later testified, quote, when it came to the pinch in the fight, Captain Nordrum and the other officers in charge deserted us. So the Pinkertons end up surrendering to the strikers and they have to walk a gauntlet through the town where they are hit. And Charlie gets hospitalized because he got hit on the back by a club. You just don't understand the pain a guy like that probably went through being hit on the back of the head with something like blunt force. Can I just say a guy doing his job, minding his own business.

A hero. A hero. A hero saying that he's ready to knock back down and then going and sleeping on the poop deck. Yeah. Did you say poop deck? Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. What's a poop deck? What do you mean? What's poop deck? The poop deck on a boat? Mm-hmm. Well, it's pretty obvious what it is. What is it? It's where the poop couples bang What?

It's I'm not gonna say it again It's very Trump not to keep bringing up Trump but January 6 Trump where he's like we're gonna show him We're gonna go there as he's like got one foot in a car We're gonna take our democracy back And then he's like fucking gone. He's like in Mar-a-Lago while people are like, hey, where is he? We're not gonna let you people at the mill show that we're coming for you motherfuckers.

Three, two, one. I'm gonna go downstairs, watch direct TV. So, yeah, the poor guy, poor guy gets hit from on the back. And then after he recovers, he stays in Pennsylvania as William Pinkerton's representative. One of his duties is to go to hospitals. That's what's on the poop deck. One of his duties is to go to hospitals to intimidate administrators with his gun to keep the press

out of all this shit. No, don't let the press in to talk to the injured strikers and being like he's best when he's got that gun in his hand. Let him talk. That's what Charlie's making it work. Yeah. It's the old classic Charlie. Good. He's cooking. Let him go. He's cooking. Yeah. At that time, he denied that he was Detective Nordrum. And he, um, How does that even possible? And people are like, bro, you beat my dad. Well, he used a lisp.

It's, first of all, wrong for him to do appropriation at this point. Oh, man. It's not how you... I, too, am worried that they're going to know who I am, which is why I've come up with a disguise. Oh, mustache. Of the mouth. Of the mouth.

Right here, you see Charlie. My last name begins with an N, whatever it is. Get ready to meet. Exactly. Get ready to meet. Well, hi there. My name is Mr. Rehnquist. Hi Mr. Rehnquist. God, I'd never know you were Charlie, except for your face. Try to poke some holes in your body.

I'll come. I need to talk to some of the witnesses. And make to poke some holes in the ear. I'll come in. Well, your hair. Yeah, I need to talk to some of the witnesses and make sure that nobody's in the hospital. Should you maybe change your hair a little bit or shave? Try to poke holes. Be the staff at the hospital. Okay. Hi, Charlie.

No. Okay, fine. Sorry, I just saw you and you didn't say anything so I just saw you. Charlie's not my name Did you hurt you get punched in the face? Punch in the face. No. Oh gosh in this day and age you're really coming at me for that. I have a list Thank you so much. Sorry. Um, I'm actually here to check on my father. His name is bucing von Wachfeld See and I'm an in and then I'm in and nobody yeah, and I'll be holding the gun There's no way I'll be holding the loaded gun, too. Yeah, there's no way anybody would this. Oh, wow. This is a revolver

What's the big deal? But the paper was not fooled and reported on his movements quote He meandered up and down Fifth Avenue last night wearing a hat of pure white spotless whiteness. It was a peculiar hat. Was that white? And small and sloping, but the little boys did not sing the scared ditty of inquiry that they sometimes do for the wearer had a piercing stern forbidden expression.

All right. I'm going to tell you, it says a lot that in this story, whoever wrote that article is the worst person. Jesus Christ. Was the hat white? A white hat with a whiteness and a bit of white on it. The children were frolicking. So the Senate holds an investigation into what happened at Homestead and a World's Fair guard

testified and he was asked if he could bring Charlie before the committee. Quote, so they're asking the witness if he can get Charlie to come in and testify. I mean, that's the weakest shit in the world. Aren't you the Senate? Hi, could you get Frank and Billy to come in to also do this? So we're a little nervous. Quote, hardly since he was discharged from the World's Fair police force, he and I have and Billy to come in to also do this? So we're a little nervous. Quote, hardly since he was discharged from the World's Fair Police Force, he and I have not been on extra good terms. In fact, he has threatened to do me on site and if I should see him,

I think I would do him. So that guy's not going to help. Yeah, his quotes age poorly as well as he should definitely like the Senate like, can you get him? That was like, that was like when they sit the Senate like calls people for him to like, no, no, you're like, I cool. So that's the end of that. So he's done a great job for the Pickertons. I love they love the work he's done and he is hired by the Chicago Police Department. Jesus.

This is one of those ones where I don't even find it funny. It just is like, there's probably, there's room for this to be funny. That is shocking. This is in one man's lifetime. Yeah. It's maybe he had the list, but they didn't know they were hiring him. Well, yeah, they could have thought they were hiring somebody else. My name, just call me duck. It's so it's not in 1893, the World's Fair. By the way, the Pinkertons at this point should be like, dude, we're done hiring you. I mean, you got to stick around.

No, he does a good job. There's no loyalty. Yeah. No one else can do the Lisp. You keep saying that, but no one can do the Lisp. Get me the Lisp. Did someone call for someone like this? So there's an officer of the law?

Me? I didn't even know we had special forces in this town. We sound like Duffy Duck. That's why I said, call me duck. Special forces in this town. And what are you? Cuckoo bananas. At the World's Fair, there's a five story. Building, it's called the greatest refrigerator on earth.

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Oh yeah, hoses burn. Hoses? Hoses burn back then. I think hoses might, they probably don't now, but for a long time hoses burn. That's also. Then other firemen start sliding down the hoses to the end of those and then they fall off and die.

Okay. And by the way, there's like tens of thousands of people watching this And the last fireman Left on the platform after everyone's gone Is a Sigurd nerd room It's Charlie's 28 year old brother. Oh god. Oh not V not Vigo No, not Vigo the younger brother

He slides and drops and lives. He broke both his knees, a collarbone, most of his ribs and had severe burns. Charlie takes him to the department and he's like, it's an accident. They're like, and you say no more Charles. We got it. Charlie's like, I didn't do it. Of course not, Charlie. Wink, wink. We understand, my man. We'll finish this guy off for you. Only three of the 20 guys survived. He spent six months in the hospital.

So Sig had cared for their mother, and he's also a member of the Knights and Ladies of Honor, which is this fraternal organization where the mayor goes to speak. He was the private secretary for the Chicago Fire Chief. He just happened to be there when the call went out and he jumped on. So he's opposite of Charlie. Yes. A hero? A hero and a good guy and work.

Yeah. Sure. Charlie does what he's known for. He is out late and he's drunk and he sees this 60 year old night watchman named Julius Dyckman and Charlie thinks Julius has been talking behind his back. Jesus Christ. So Charlie's like, you talking shit. Yeah.

Well, he goes into it. He goes, you know who I am. And Julius is like, yeah, I know you're Charlie. And then he tries to pass Charlie and Charlie punches him. So Julian goes down, but then he gets up and runs, but he's also 62, Charlie chases him, and Julius turns and hits Charlie with his cane, and then he runs into a police station,

and Charlie chases him in. He's like, I'm going to fucking kill you, Julius. And the sergeant on night duty separates them, and he's like, Charlie'm going to fucking kill you, Julius. And the sergeant on night duty separates them, and he's like, Charlie, get the fuck out of here. And Charlie curses the sergeant, and then the whole police department, and he's threatening the sergeant and all of the police in the station. And then the sergeant's like, you got to get the fuck out

of here. And Charlie starts to, but then he lunges at Julius. So the serge knocks Charlie down and just starts fucking beating the then he lunges at Julius. So the Sarge knocks Charlie down and just starts fucking beating the shit out of him. Nice. A lot. I mean, he really beats up Charlie. Nice, there we go. And then he arrests Charlie.

Nice, there you go. Was that so fucking hard? Christ. He's a Newton man. The Newton press quote, the ruffian looked as if he had been in a collision with a Newton man. The Newton press quote, the ruffian looked as if he had been in a collision with a cable car. He lost several teeth, suffered the fracture of three ribs,

had both eyes blackened, his scalp peeled open, and was confined to his bed for a week. By the way, peeling open the scalp. Fun. Yep. That's a beating. That's a beating. That's a beating. That's a, when you're punching a guy's skin off, you're really beating the guy.

That's a beating when you saran wrap the scalp. Yeah. So I don't know if that was on the same night that his brother went to the hospital or the next night. That'd be hilarious. But it's really close to that. So one of them we want to pull through and the other we need to pass.

That'd be hilarious. It's really close to- So one of them we want to pull through and the other we need to pass. He was also arrested, so he gets bailed out by a politician, an ex-saloonkeeper that he knows. Sure. He delays his first court date by saying he couldn't leave home due to his injuries and his second court date because his brother is severely injured at the World's Fair Fire. So he knows he's fucking fucked.

Yeah, and he's using the, because the cops are now against him in this one. So he's using his brother's in this case. Great, great stuff. A week later he says he's out of town getting- It'd be great if he had a lisp, like it was part of the problem. He's like, oh no, holy shit,

I'm my character from earlier in the story. Then the next, the next hearing, he says he's out of town getting his mom who's going to come take care of Julius. And when he does that third excuse, the judge orders a charge of assault and battery with intent to kill added and says Charlie has to be arrested again. That's great. That's not contempt. He's like, all right, let's put a manslaughter on there.

Yeah, exactly. So in court, Charlie's lawyer presents him as an angel. The sergeant testified that Charlie repeatedly threatened to kill Julius and was quote, very blasphemous and use language that was coarse and brutal And child is acquitted Man when you got it at the one yard line you got a punch it in Punch it in and guess who's fine. Julie Julius. Julius? Oh my God. And Julius has paid the court cost.

Oh my God. This motherfucker. Now Charlie, Charlie's lawyer, asked the court to waive Julius' fine as a request from Charlie. And the court said no, but apparently this is a thing Charlie always did. After he beats someone up and then the guy gets arrested and fined, then Charlie would be like, oh, can you waive the fine? He's trying to present himself as a nice guy. Honestly, it's such a low bar that you almost fall for it.

That is mildly redeemable. Yeah. Mildly, very mildly. So he's no longer on the police force and he gets hired working as a detective for the Chicago and Indiana Railroad. While there, he assaults a man who was sitting at the station reading a paper. Okay. He take what? The guy just was like bad.

He went to the guy and he's like, let me see your ticket. But he doesn't have any, he's not in uniform. He's like, he's crazy. And so the guy's like, get the fuck out of here. He gets, and then they beat the guy up. Unhinged to out of here. And then he beats up beating the guy up. Unhinged to just get on a train because you're in law enforcement. Be like, tickets? No, at the station.

I mean, at the station. Either way. At the station. It's worse at the station. It is worse. Either way, it's absurd to be like, I'm going to take on the ticket roll. So he takes this guy to the office. He searches him.

He takes him back downstairs and then he beats him up again a second time. This man has a full-on problem with, this is a, he has an addiction to abuse. And he's a raging alcoholic, like he's the worst combination of like those things. Now, in this crazy surprise twist, Augusta files for a divorce in 1898. Shocked it took so long.

For desertion, cruelty, and habitual drunkenness. She immediately starts calling herself a widow. Wow, because he died from booze? Even though they live on the same block, and every year Augusta was listed in the Chicago directory as a widow of Charles. Wow. Even though they're living in the same block. Wow, that's nice.

That's good. That's a good one. I mean, we have a winner of the- We have a winner. We also have, again, you would think whoever is printing that up would be like, I wish we could. But unfortunately, instead of that, legally you're clear. You can legally do that.

So Charlie's assaults are getting more and more violent, and he no longer has the support of his wife's powerful family, which he had before. And what it looked like, he might actually serve time for an assault, he offers to join the army. Jesus Christ. Because that's a thing that people could do. You could be like, oh, can I do army instead? Yeah, we need your type here.

The court refuses. Wow, for the court to be like, no. You're too violent. Yeah, we don't believe you. Yeah. The court quote, sorry, the Chicago Times Herald quote, such persons have no place in the army. It's amazing.

Now he would absolutely be in the army. Yeah. Charlie began to be frequently convicted of assault. So it's really coming apart now. Yeah. Because his wife stopped protecting him. Clearly the cops are not on his side anymore. He's just a fucking, he's not on the force.

He's just a fucking piece of shit. Can we just say hell of a run? Hell of a run. Fucking Hall of Fame run. How long did it take them? Like how long did it take them? All right, he's bad. He's bad.

All right. If anything, they're in the wrong now. Yes. Precedent says that he's allowed to do this. He's never serving very much time, though. He's getting convicted, but they're very short-stance. And after a year after his divorce, he's arrested and fined $25 because he

goes to Augusta's house and scares the shit out of her. Quote, she's almost in hysterics. And he fights three cops. He fights three cops. Yeah, I get it. Took me a minute. She's a widow. He's a dead guy.

A lisping ghost. A lisping ghost. The lisping ghost. PBS 9PM. Fun is important. Yeah. So he fights these three cops, one of them he beats up severely. So he's just turned into a nightmare.

He is the exact dissent you would expect. He's not just a regular alcoholic who's violent as shit. But this is the exact He's not just a regular alcoholic. Right. He's violent as shit. But this is the decision you would expect. Yeah right. Without the help of all these organizations. Yes. To keep him out of trouble and put him where he belongs.

Yes. He's descending into that fucking hell hole. He's mad with power. Yeah, mad without power now. Sigmund lived his life. He marries Lena Bruns and they move to Milwaukee and he works for a manufacturer of agriculture equipment, other machinery. He serves as the secretary of state of the Alice Company Mutual Aid Society.

He's re-elected many times. He's a member of several fraternal organizations. He becomes president of the school board. Their other brother Vigo moves to Minneapolis. He has six kids. At some point, Vigo changes his last name to Frielson, which is his mother's maiden name. Because he's so embarrassed? I think so because Sigmund also changes his name.

Wow. They completely change their names to not be associated with this motherfucker. Or maybe to be away from him, maybe so he can't find him. Yeah, maybe. Charlie spent the rest of his life working for different detective agencies.

So he's still getting, you know, private detectives are like, yeah, sure, they're muscle, right? They're literally just looking for a guy to go beat up strikers, like he's perfect. The newspaper reports of his assault slowly died down over the years. Probably harder to beat people up as he got older, right? Yeah, no, it's just like everything.

Father time's undefeated. And in 1940, Charlie passes away at 83 from heart disease. His final job was watchman for the Hargrave Detective Agency. He dies just, nobody cares. There's nothing in the paper, no obituary, no notice of death. He's just gone. Nobody gives a fuck. Buy it as he should.

Yeah. Well, you know, piece of shit, you're grieved like a piece of shit. I mean, the story here is that you have to be so over the top, a monster to get fired from these places. It's also the fact that, and yeah, it's also that you know you got to get rid of these pieces of shit early for the you just have to you can't let them fester you can't let them take hold you cannot you have to have let that you can just you need to have the gumption and the conviction to be like, no. They shouldn't be there in the first place. They need to do psychological...

I don't even mean outside of cop shit. Anyone who's supposed to be representative of anyone and has power, you need to just fucking be like, if they're problematic... That that's what you see now is like, when it comes to government, if they're on your side, there's no problem with them. If they're against your side, everything they do is wrong. There is no buddy who actually gives a fuck. Like I, McCarthy, Senator McCarthy, Senator McCarthy is like the craziest thing in the world, because when that actually all falls apart, it's so, it's just like, everyone's like, yeah, dude, what the fuck have you been doing?

It's just like, this is absolutely fucking crazy, dude. But it takes hold and it just becomes so problematic. So, this story was discovered while Anne Momany was researching something else. She's the one who found it. Oh, wow. Yeah, she does the Dog Quiz's Patreon.com slash The Dog. The sources, Chicago Tribune and the InterOcean paper, the Milwaukee Journal, the Milwaukee Sentinel, Pittsburgh Dispatch, US and Norway Census Records, Birth and Death Certificates, Chicago and Milwaukee directories, Michael Shack, Anarchy and Anarchists, the History of the Red Terror and Social Revolution in America, Europe, Communism, Socialism and

Nihilism in Doctrine and Indeed. Can I, if people have stuck around just because you mentioned Milwaukee, can I clean clear something up my buddy Brett Stepke, who I talked about on an episode when he won the sausages at a Milwaukee Bucks game? Do you remember the story? He won sausages for a year from... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Clemens sausages for a year at a Milwaukee Bucks game and he got very sick of the sausages

so he would hang out at the grocery store. They sold the sausages. Oh, right, right, right. He would hang out near the sausages. And I told the story as when he was near the sausages, he would see people who were going for the two varieties he had or any variety, and he would offer them the coupon if they would buy a different version of the sausages for him. He stayed with me for a minute with his girlfriend,

and he was like, you got the story wrong. He wasn't asking them to buy a different type of sausage. He was asking them for money. So he was hanging out by the sausages, trying to sell coupons to people at the sausage section of Sendix Grocery Store in Milwaukee. Did it work? It worked, but sometimes, but most times people are like, you work here?

And you'd be like, no, no, I don't even work here. No, I just won a bunch of sausages from a bucks game. Like there's explanation people are like, get the fuck away from me. If a guy, plus people have to know what Brett looks like, but if a guy, if a guy came up to me and said that, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely, give me your sausage coupon. Like I would totally want that. I 100% would not engage.

I'd be like, I'm good. You wouldn't? I would absolutely buy. That is the kind of guy that I, I'm just for the game alone, I'm giving him money. If I let him get into it and I started to understand, but I would be like, I would have AirPods in and I'd be like, I can't, I'm sorry, I'm in a rush.

I would say I'm in a rush. I'm in a rush for everything. Whenever someone's trying to stop me, I would be like, I would have AirPods in and I'd be like, I can't, I'm sorry, I'm in a rush. I would say I'm in a rush. I'm in a rush for everything. Whenever someone's trying to stop me from, I would be like, I'm in a rush. But he's hanging out by the sausage section and he is a disar- he's a very char- he's, he is very good talking to people. But- Yeah, he's good talking to people.

It's a real battle no matter what to hang out and watch people. Imagine someone watching you buy sausages. Yeah. Hey, I noticed you were gonna buy some sausages. That opener right there is like, buddy, I need five more feet distance. Anyway, I just wanna clear that up. That's the...

Yeah, so I actually have a trip coming up. I'm going to Philadelphia for some shows and I'm flying my dad in and my father and I are going to share an Airbnb. Never seen Philly really, so I'm excited to walk around. I'm going to make him touch the Liberty Bell. It's going to be a whole thing. You know, while I'm away, I've got my house sitting there and I'm thinking, well, you

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