The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 669 - American Dragons

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the very real sky dragons that plagued the American West.  SOURCES TOUR DATES OFFICIAL MERCH   Rocketmoney  Squarespace  Public Rec   Code - Dollop Helix Sleep

We're going on tour and this is it's been a while March 2025 is when our tour is happening. First of all, we're going to Tempe, Arizona Maybe our best city of all time. It's the best that is on March 16th And then we go to Albuquerque, New Mexico, maybe our favorite city ever. We really never love the city We've ever gone to that's on March 17th and then we go to Oklahoma City, which is our faith We often say that it's our number one. Yeah, it's our number one. The best city I've ever been to.

That's on March 18th. On March 19th, we're going to be in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our favorite city without question. And then we head to Dallas, Texas on March 20th. Our favorite city. That's why there's never been a better city. If you don't like it, you're a Dal asshole. Thank you.

And then we go to Houston, Texas on March 23rd, which is by far the best city. And then we end our tour in Austin, Texas, on March 22nd at the Cap City Comedy Club. It's the best city. In the entire world. Number one city in the world. You can get tickets at dolloppodcast.com slash tour. Best work.

You're listening to The Dollop. This is an American history podcast from the country formerly known as America. And I read his story from the history of that ex country to my person. Hey, Canadian citizen, Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic's going to be about, eh? Now, you do have English. You do have UK citizenship. So you can't...

Ukrainian. You can say it. UK. So you can leave wherever you want. You can go whenever you want. You're free to go. I'm free to go, but I'm not going to buy myself too much time. But I'm also still in pursuit of Canada.

Canada's going to be ours. I don't know who's going to be who's. Ours. It's ours. It's going to be America's 51st state, as I was told today. So you are still an American. Well, that's the way I want to be obtained. I just want to be sought after.

I get it. It's like sister wives, like the new hot wife always gets treated the best. Uh huh. That first wife is like. That's when that first wife starts going, maybe I don't believe in this. Gareth, we're gonna be on tour. Did you know that? Are you aware of that?

Do you care at all? Do you know what I mean? Do you care? We're gonna be on tour. Yeah, we're in March. Well first of all, you know what we're calling this tour. The sweet, sexy thighs tour. Bad boys are back.

That's right. We are going to be starting on March 16th. We're gonna be in Tempe, Arizona. Then we go to Albuquerque, New Mexico. We've added a second show in Albuquerque that's gonna be a best of show. We're calling it the Classic. And then we go to Oklahoma.

We're gonna be in Oklahoma City, and then we're gonna be in Tulsa, and then we're gonna be in Dallas, Texas, and then Houston, and then we're gonna be at the Comedy Club, the Cap City Comedy Club in Austin, where we have again added a second show that will also be a classic. Dallop Classic.

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October 1780 year of our Lord J-town who? Know at this point was one of the batter boys in all of the area now America's he's a good boy He's not he's a bad boy He's a good boy. He's not he's a bad boy You know power Sarah who's Spanish a uniparod Junipero Sarah Okay, Jay got it one of the all-time bads

he was a Spanish Catholic priest and a missionary in in California and He leaves on an expedition from San Gabriel Mission to explore the valleys to the north. And these are the valleys that you would now see as like, oh, when the spring rains happen and all the wildflowers bloom, go out to the blooming places. That's what we're talking about. So they're basically now what is North Los Angeles County,

and they were, quote, I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. So they're basically now what is North Los Angeles County. And they were quote, pursued, attacked, harassed, and finally surrounded by hostile savages and besieged at a point that was afterward called La Laguna del Diablo, the lake. Devil-guna? Of the devil. Devil Lake? The Lake of the Devil.

Devil Lake? The Lake of the Devil. Devil Lake? God damn it. What? The Lake of the Devil. Devil Lake? Stop saying that.

It's the same thing. Stop editing. It's Ricky's dad. that. So one of their new new Native American converts manages to get through the enemy lines and to get a message to the mission at San Gabriel. And they send Lieutenant Pico, who of course we all know as a street named after him. Sergeant DeGio. Also DeGio who has, he sends a pico with a bunch of soldiers that they could get, every soldier they could get with their hands on,

because Sarah's a big deal. Sure. And he's going to save Sarah and the others. And of course it's a godly mission, right? Because they're going to save a god guy. And he's saving Christians from savages. So it's like a it's like, you know, it's a serious god situation. Sure. So they quickly head and out and they quickly get lost in the desert. Good. Good,

good. That'll happen. That'll happen. And yeah, it's always when we've heard about this before. That's fine. You should have made a left, you made a right. Yep. No, it's the bug's bunny. Yep. And the legend says they wandered for three days. Just can't find anything.

And then the fourth day, they realized how lost they were when they wandered back into the very first camp they made on the first day. Now I understand that that's bad, but also gotta be a little like, aw. Hey. Remember us. Think of how hydrated we were back then.

It's also nice to just be somewhere familiar. That's what I mean. It's kinda like your old like stomp, you're like, my, this is where we started. This is where I brushed your hair. Yeah, this is where Chet died. Remember when you sat in my lap and I brushed your hair and tell you, oh, that was Chet, he died.

Yeah. But I brushed his hair while he was. Hey, remember when I was hugging, remember when I held you here and then I started kissing you? And then I was like, wait, this is Chet, and Chet's dead, and you guys aren't even here right now. I do remember that, yeah. I mean, I don't, but I do, you know, this is Chet and Chet's dead. And you guys are even here right now. I do remember that. Yeah.

I mean, I don't, but I do, you know, because I'm not here. You're alone when I ate ham and it was Chet. And I didn't tell anyone. And I ate all of it. By the way, that was six hours in. And Chet was still alive. Yeah. Yeah. The screams were terrifying. Anyway, I'm a ghost. I was still alive. Yeah, yeah, the screams were terrifying. Anyway, I'm a ghost, I gotta go.

Yeah, all right. So, they're worn out at this point. They've been in the desert for three days. The horses are worn out, they're hungry, they have no water, and this is when the Christian legend kicks in. Oh. Pico said at night he begged, quote, I Diablo, what would I give for a good road dialect

to the camp of the besieged Christians? I would not only give my soul, but I would pledge my soul of all my kith and kin for generations. Okay. And then, Gareth, a demon popped up. And the demon said, it's a bargain. Wow. Okay. So just for those of us who aren't used to demon deals,

which is a great website by the way, that's where I got my blender. Yeah. Okay, so they want to go find the first guys people and the natives are like, hey, I'll I would make a deal with a devil to go find them. Demon pops up and he's like, no, Spanish, Spanish. Okay. So they're and they're like, we'll go and then the devil, the demon pops up and is like, I'll, Hey, let's do it. I'll Sherpa you over there. I'll get you. I'll get you there. That's

what devil do. Do we have a, is it a devil or a demon? Well, it says the demon first, but it'll transition into a devil. So it is a devil. Okay. It seems like it is. Yeah. And nobody is a little like, Hey, hey, this is what happens. I don't know if we should go with this guy. He seems bad. Have you ever been in the desert? I have been to the desert, but I don't I've never almost died in the dead But I also think that if the devil came up, hold on would you also think no, I would be like I Guys, okay. He's not traditionally known as a good dude You say this but I've heard the stories of you in Vegas That's different. You can dance

You can dance in the desert. You can dance in the devil's Vegas. That's different. Is it? That's different. Okay. Luke took shrooms with the devil in Vegas. That's what I'm talking about. This is the same shit. Okay. All right. So the demon calls up a legion of other demons and he's the lead demon does and then they start cutting a road. They're using picks and spades and axes and hammers, pried bars and torches to work in great. They don't have magic.

They, I'm sure they're like devils and they're like, I will put up some cones and we'll just shut this whole area down for a little while. I mean, I'm sure, you know, everybody uses equipment. I mean, I just see. I honestly, I think it's a group of guys like, yeah, we're demons. We're demons. My name's my name's Leon. I'm the head demon.

Yeah. Hey, how are you? Good. Listen, I'm me and the other demons were a little thirsty so we're gonna need to get a We're gonna need we're gonna go buy some beers or something like that Come back finish the demon chores, and then we'll get you guys a road right to those guys alright That sounds really good taking a little bit more work than we initially anticipated Leon. Thank you Leon Is that what?

Yeah, right last name Yeah, it's the. And last name? Yeah, it's the last name. Exactly. What's the first name? So we're going to be basically shutting this whole area down with some cones and some lights. We're going to work at night because, hey, it's the desert. It gets pretty hot out here. So we'll shut all that down. But me and the boys, we're going to have a couple cocktails just to cool down. Can we're gonna build you a little

road right over there. Can I ask you a quick question? Hold on, can I finish please? Then you're gonna get on a little wagon you guys are gonna go over there we'll get paid a bingabangaboom. So quick question you say you're gonna put out cones and stuff we're in the middle of nowhere in a desert so what are the cones for? To make sure that anybody who might be coming by or you guys even know The question, you said you're gonna put out cones and stuff. We're in the middle of nowhere in a desert. So what are the cones for? To make sure that anybody who might be coming by or you guys even know that this whole area can't be driving on it right now.

It's not gonna work. We're gonna, what basically we're gonna do is we're gonna take everything here and merge it into one. It'll slow them down, but that's why we do it at night. Slow who down? So anyone who's coming through on the, yeah, to come through here. We just want to make sure so We're gonna make sure we do that properly and then nobody will get to hear bang bang boom

You know, we'll have it done pretty quick. So that's a Leaping and yeah lead demon Leon and We are demons. I'm sorry. Yeah and we are demons. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay, I didn't get that part, but yeah. You didn't get what? It just seems weird.

You don't seem like demons. You don't seem demon. We're demons, we got tails under our pants. Okay. Greg will show you his demon tail. So I would just say, I'm at the point now where I'm like, shut the fuck up and make the fucking road. You know, this is where I'm at.

Right, yeah, no, I agree. We gotta get to work without question. Yeah, just shut the fuck up. So there was some, you had some questions about whether Leon was my first or last name. That's funny to me. We should kind of crack that open again. No.

Maybe dig into that for a little while. Nope. Yeah. Goodbye. Yeah, yeah, well, it's not goodbye. I mean, we are gonna be hanging out for a while. I have a feeling this isn't the last you heard of me. Well, all the people who turned it off just now.

Hey, or what about the people who are looking for merch? Yeah, kid. So, um, they build the road for miles, miles and miles. And then the devil's like, almost done. And then, you know, know cash in time I get your soul Did they know that part? But pico we have pico gate. He thought was the bargain he made okay I didn't know that he knew that up front but pico is a tricky boy Okay, okay Pico knew demons could be vanquished for many years with the use of a cross and he pulled out a silver cross

Oh, come on, dude, we had a deal. And yelled, quote, behold, the cross of Christ. And the demon trembled. Ha ha. And the army of demons fled, and Pico and his soldiers joined Sarah's group and saved them. And Pico said he looked down in a valley, and he saw fire and smoke come out of the ground

and enveloped the demon army. Quote, a livid lake of fire spread out all about them. And in the morning they saw the fire lake had been replaced with a beautiful water lake. And Sarah fell to his knees and thanked God and Gareth Gareth that is the legend of Elizabeth Lake and how it came to be wait what and this is true because this is 1780 so we have written record. It's written record. It's true. I don't think that's enough though That's it. So that's how Elizabeth Lake happened and Liz Liz like is weird

What is this leading up to and near Antelope Valley? up there in north North Los Angeles County and The legend was written up by a guy named Horace a major horse battle in 1930. He fully wrote it out. And for years, it turns out locals in that area, it was considered, they were scared of the lake. The lake was considered a horrible, haunted lake. It's a terrible place. Well, because they fucked that source. Fuck the devil over. It's, yeah. I mean, that's not a great start.

You don't take your kids to go to, over. It's yeah. I mean, that's not a great start to go. Yeah, it's bad They considered it a hellmouth Natives so people said they heard that's what you call the anus Damnit people said they heard horrifying noises coming from deep in the water screams and shrieks and groans He's probably worth avoiding that underwater screams, yes shrieks and groans. He's probably worth avoiding that underwater screams. Yes. Your kids, honey, the parking so easy. I know, but the kids get freaked out because of the underwater screams. Well, some guys screwed the devil out of a deal here. It's going to happen.

But the parking's great. It's gonna yell some screams but look at that. We can get the boat out there. Go get the boat. Go water ski. It's beautiful. Just don't just don't listen to the groans and the screams. Just sing underwater. That's the devil. Some guy vanquished the devil here. He cheated the devil out of some souls. So Gareth, it was believed that these screams came from a monster. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, a demon. The devil. El Diablo. Settlers said native people had known of a thing, a creature there for ages, and no one would settle by the lake,

even though it's a very fertile valley, like it's a great place to grow crops and stuff. Sure. Some tried, but then they would give up and they'd just leave. They'd be like, fuck this. The corn fell again because of all the underground screaming. The screaming, who can sleep through that?

The land is hot, and then the devil yelled our potatoes out of the soil. Right. So the lake is about a mile long and about 500 yards wide. And then along the Creos are a old Mexican family who have been getting land grants in the area. And one of these was named Don Pedro Carrillo. They're a very rich family, obviously. And they have a lot of land. And he gets, Don Pedro gets this area where the lake is.

Okay. Does he know about the underwater yelling and screaming and monsters? I don't think so. Right. So it's like poltergeist. So it's like the 1830s when he gets a land grant at Elizabeth Lake and he's not superstitious. That's not who he is. So he jumps on it. He might have known. I don't know. So he builds a lake house. He puts horse and cattle on

the land and he only lasts three months and then he flees in the middle of the night. Quote, it was because of the hell raised in and around Laguna del Diablo, conditions there made me prematurely old. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Now, what was his deal? He didn't know that it was called Devil Lake? It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Did he... Now, what was his deal? He didn't know that it was called Devil Lake?

I think that he knew, but I think he just thought like, oh, whatever. It's just like... It's a weird name. Yeah, it's a name. And like, whatever, it's wind blowing through the trees or some shit. And then he gets up there and he's like, fuck, there's a fucking monster here. I'm 80. What the hell?

And overnight, he was 80. There's a devil in this lake. Oh no. I'm 80. What the hell? And overnight he was 80. There's a devil in this lake. Oh no. Now, Don Pedro said he saw the monster. There was a supernatural being and then after he saw it there was a huge fire that destroyed stables and storehouses and houses. So it's dangerous. where they destroyed stables and storehouses and houses.

So it's dangerous. Yeah, because the devil ruins anyone who comes near it. Yeah. So around 1855, Chico Lopez moves onto the land. What the fuck is with these people? I mean, I get that it looks good. It's a great, and like if you were there, you'd be like, this is fucking great. Like, it's like idyllic. It's great.

Like, yeah, but I would still be like, sometimes you got to have a nice house, you got to have a Satan thing going on. That poor real estate agent is just this is unbelievable. You guys are going to love this. So this plot of land here is like super cheap. By the way, the ground is so fertile. So fertile. Any crops you wanna grow here will be great.

And this lake, look at this. I mean, you can't beat the view. And you're just looking out here and you can take the kids out here. You can do anything you want. Yeah, yeah, it's nice. It's beautiful. I will take it. I would say build a cabin a little away from the lake. I want to get close to the

lake because it's a nice lake. I would like a lake front. I love that for you. I would leave a healthy distance between where you build and the devil lake. Did I mention what it's called? No, it's Elizabeth Lake. No, it's called Laguna del Diablo, which translates to Devil Lake. So I would just leave a big plot in between you and the water. I don't... Is there something in the water? Yes, the devil is probably under the water screaming at people. And he will scream and if you go there you will hear the screams and things you try to

go grow there will not grow. Okay. I should all, hold on, hold on. Yeah? I should also point out that you will age very quickly here. Okay, I'm not going to take it. Okay, I'm not gonna take it. I'm actually not gonna take it. But thank you.

Do you wanna even put your head under and hear the devil screaming? No, not at all actually. I don't like that. Can I just ask you where the, cause nobody's buying this. Where did this pitch fall apart for you when I was running through it?

The part where you said stay away from the lake, there's a devil in there. He's screaming at you. Yes, that's a really important... And underwater you hear him. Hmm. Yeah, I don't... Thank you.

Okay. I have a couple other places I want to show you. I'm good. Have you ever been to Demon's Anus? Well, I mean, the club or... Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. Have you ever been to Demon's anus? well The club or yeah. Yeah, I think you'd be great there So Chico Lopez takes it over and

You know, he builds a house and corrals and he builds up his little ranch every guy one person who goes is like crazy Let's deal one day Lopez's foreman Vasquez Every guy, every person who goes there is like, this is crazy. It's awesome. What's the deal? One day Lopez's foreman, Vasquez, rides into the house. He's very excited. And he's saying there's something in the lake. He saw something in the lake. There's something in the lake. So a few people.

You said he's saying it. He yelled at the horses. No, he said. He's very excited. He didn't. Oh, he said he's saying it. And he... What? And then he... You're probably very excited. He didn't. Oh, he said he sang. And he, what?

Well, you're probably wondering why I sang. Yeah. And then a bunch of guys get on the horse and they ride down to the shore. And when they get there, they hear this ear splitting sound. And then came a smell that was nauseating. It was the fetid breath of the monster. Water is being splashed by either giant legs or flippers or whatever it is. It seems like it's trying to rise out of the lake which is very muddy and the horses get

freaked out by the noise and they take off. And then after some distance they get the horses to stop. And they said the smell of the monster's breath was so bad that had the horses not taken off they probably would have all passed out from how terrible it was. The worst breath of all time. So the horses, they get the horses to stop and they turn back and look and they see the silhouette.

Quote, as large larger larger than a great whale That's big in a lake But it has large bat like wings And it's flapping them trying to get out of the water, but it sounds like it can't Gotta say loving the devil limitations in this one mud and water Yeah I can't. Gotta say, loving the devil limitations in this one. Mud and water. Yeah.

See? Not my friend. So I think it goes back underwater at that point, and the next day they come back and they're armed. They bring their guns because they're not stupid. Well, yeah, obviously, just shoot it. There's no sign of the monster thing, but it still smells. The smell is fucking terrible.

And then that was it. And then no one saw anything for a while. Some time passes, there's really no disturbances. And then, all of a sudden horses and cattle start to vanish at night. It's just crazy that this devil has trouble getting out of water. Well, at first Lopez is like, that's probably bears.

Yeah. But then it's a lot. Then he's like, there can't be that many bears. And still he keeps living there. And the animals are disappearing and other families. You know how much moving, I mean, we know how much moving sucks. It's expensive and it sucks. And once you get your stuff there, you're like, ah, just.

You got to change your internet. I can't do this again. So other families start to move into the area. Mostly Spanish speaking. Like I said, the land is really good for growing crops. Oh, it's great. Nobody's fighting the land is really good for growing crops. Oh, it's great land. Nobody's fighting the land. But the lake sounds bad.

Well, there's a devil eating your cattle. The Los Angeles Evening Express wrote that it was very alkaline, the water. That's good though. We like that. Now, this monster, Gareth, he's not the only one. Oh my god There's other ones in northern America other Diablos in the West so in March 1868 in

copyapo chili workers in they're leaving a mine to have dinner and they They look up and there's a giant monster flying a mine to have dinner and they look up and there's a giant monster flying in the air, quote, an unknown creature of the air, the rock of the thousand and one nights perhaps or possibly a Leviathan of the deserts. Love being open. That's cool. So it flies over their heads. Could be a Leviathan.

And then they see that it's a chimera. How do you say it? Chimera? Chimera, I think. Chimera, the chimera. Huge wings covered in brown feathers. It has a grasshopper-like head. Right? Love that for this.

It has, with quote, enormous eyes, wide open and brilliant as stars covered with something like hair or bristles. I think that not the eyes, the body. I also found another description. It's like a hot band bang to grasshopper. Well, hold on. I asked another description of it said that it had a body like a snake in a face like a lobster. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Little lobster snake. Boy, this thing's delicious. Long serpentine body covered in shiny scales and makes metallic sounds. They're like scraping as as it flies. Right metallic sounds very much. Some of the miners smell a horrific smell like burning arsenic

Hmm After some of the men would say it was the devil others said they'd seen a very similar creature fly over the mine years before But this gets a lot of press right? It's a big show. I mean a flying lobster head Hopper Hawk. Yes, right? It's a big deal. I mean, a flying lobster head. A winged grasshopper hawk? Yes. Maybe a snake lobster?

Now, in 1871, this is like three years later, a Yale paleontologist. A Yaleontologist. A Yaleontologist, Othiniel Charles Marsh, discovers a petrosaur in North America. It is the largest known genius of the species at that time, wingspan of over 20 feet. So newspapers cover this. People are just like, this is fucking amazing. Big. Yeah, it's a big giant dinosaur bone and bones.

And newspapers of the day write about it and it just everyone, it captures everyone's imagination. And people keep writing about this fine for like years. Like it was like a big deal. 25 years ago, the Sam's Examiner wrote an article on the quote, most enormous bird of all, with illustrations of its size next to a man and also next to a trolley car. So people are thinking of these flying beasts.

It's on the tip of the mind. Right. It's the edge of the brain. It's a thing that's happening. Whatever. But it's a thing that's happening. It's like guys. Yes.

Right. Right. Yeah. It's in. It's in. Yeah. And it's not that uncommon in America, North America. Besides, there's European dragon legends

that people bring with them from Europe, but the Native Americans also have the Thunderbird, which is a bird storm god-like thing. And then there's the legendary Piazza, which is- I gotta say, I do love the idea of two groups disagreeing on what their flying monster is. Yeah. Yeah. A fire breathing lizard. I'm afraid not my friend.

No, I wouldn't actually is is a grasshopper hawk. Well, I thought it was more of a lobster flight animal. A flying lobster? You people are absurd. A winged metal lobster. Can we all just agree we're dealing with a flying devil of some kind? Yes. Alright, let's go from there. It's a lobster. I call it a Boeing. So there's this Piazza, which is a pre European mural of a dragon like creature that was painted on the bluff on the alongside the Mississippi River in Illinois. So it's it's someone finds this. Yeah, it's fact There's this old someone painted it actually existed obviously

So these things all might be getting mixed together For the one time in high school. I drew a building with tits and so that's real Thank you So in June of 1873 two towns in different states report seeing a sky snake just days apart. Okay, no, I'm not throwing up anything here. Keep going. No.

Flying over Bonham, Texas, people described seeing an enormous serpent floating in the cloud. Right. Right. It's as large and long as a telegraph pole and striped yellow. Yeah, okay, sure. floating in the cloud. It's as large and long as a telegraph pole and striped yellow. It moves without effort. It would coil up and then turn over and thrust its head forward to strike.

Basically like a snake. Just so we know things on in bottom and land. It's well, it's just kind of moving forward It's just kind of jutting around through this moving around coiling and jutting. Yeah, it's a yellow striped sky snake as they do. Yep, right Quote the cloud and serpent moved in an easterly direction and were seen by persons a few miles This side of honey grove. The question is what is it and where did it come from? miles this side of Honey Grove, the question is, what is it and where did it come from? Yep, that's the certain I think at least we know what the questions are. Yeah, I mean the papers. That's what that's what the local paper is supposed to do. It's supposed to ask questions. Well, we admit it's real.

What now? What the hell is this thing? Thank you. Three days later. So it clearly flies across the sky because three days later. Well, it's like Santa's sleigh. Something similar in Forescot, Kansas. Yeah, he's on tour.

He's on tour, he's moving around. Yeah. Quote, the sky was clear and the sun rose entirely unobscured. When the disk of the sun was about halfway above the horizon, the form of a huge serpent was plainly seen encircling it and was visible for some moments." Right.

We have this statement from two reliable parties who witnessed the phenomenon and are willing- Can we get names and can I talk to them? If necessary, to make affidavit of their assertions. Oh, so they are willing to go on record. Yeah. That's interesting. That's big. We have too great respect for the sun to rise before it and therefore are innocent of the authorship of this sea serpent of the sun. But we have all confidence in the credibility of our witnesses. What fearful portent is indicated in this wonderful and ominous phenomenon, we shall join a Sunday school and await the solution. Right.

Yeah, no. Where are they going again? To Sunday school. Right, to just kind of see what this is. Talk about, talk it out. Figure out if there's been previous sky snake. Well, don't we know that there has been I mean is we're just doesn't travel that well From Bonham to Kansas, I guess. No, I think that no no they yeah, they I think they knew they knew three

Yeah, they knew they knew that there was a path a snake about right guys think about sky snake Just the one to probably yeah, there's a tech there had been a Texas sky snake, right? Yep That's that Joe Rogan's next special title, by the way. Some. For some reason, other papers didn't believe these flying snake reports, whereas they they would believe like the Chilean lobster bird lobster hawk. But for some reason they were laughing at the snake. Yeah. Because all the other ones have wings and stuff but... It is a bit silly. Thank you. I mean we've got a, you know, seeing a grasshopper bunny or whatever it

is, that's not that crazy. No, what the wings? No, it has wings. It's got the wings. But a snake? How does it say airborne? Yeah, there's a lot going on. Yeah, it's got wings. So the ones that these are papers that believe in like sea serpents like the New York Times wrote quote, it will soon be time for a national prohibitory liquor law if this sort of thing is to continue. And the Rhode Island Newport Daily News quote, a Kansas editor has seen a snake in the sky.

The varmas don't often get higher than the boots. That's really great. So you are saying that the New York Times was like, hmm, sky snake? I don't think so. Lobster hawk, yes. Right? Yeah. That's just so. Or like, oh, there's a serpent in the water that's 90 feet long. Like that, they'd be like, ooh. But this one, like, fuck you.

Right, they're like crazy. Brett Stevens. Yeah. 1870s Brett Stevens again. In January 18, 1882, the LA Times reported a Southern Pacific train. This is the LA Times traveling from Colorado desert to Arizona was attacked by a flying snake. The headline was, quote, one of the most peculiar snake stories told for years.

I think that's safe to say. It begins. One of them. Oh, you need to see you need the Sam Jackson character on this one just to shout it was. You do. One of the most startling snake stories that has ever been told in these parts for some time was related by the engineer and fireman who came in last night on the southern Pacific Express and

was corroborated by passengers. So we got two guys, but also everybody on the train. Two professionals, but then also yeah a bunch of regs. They've all seen this. They saw this the snake attack the train. Just after the train left Dos Palms the engineer saw a column of sand about a half mile ahead. Sure. It was moving slowly and a short distance from the track, Uh-huh. but it's on a collision course with the train.

Oh, shit. As the column gets closer to the train, they realize it's not a column of sand. It's some kind of animal. It's a big snake. Now, this snake, is this a ground snake or this is a... Well, it's a ground sky snake because it is standing up. The sky, so this... Sure. I guess because it's... Is it an invertebrate? No, it's probably... Okay, all right, well whatever. But they have bones, don't they?

Yeah, they definitely, but they have like one bone. Do they have bones? It's like you. Yeah, I think they have bones. They have one bone, right? Yeah, snakes have a bone, yeah. Yeah, it is like me. It's funny, but it's just also true.

Let's just take a joke break and just let's have a laugh about that funny. Yeah. Let's just take a joke break and just let's have a laugh about that. Fun. Quote, it was moving in an almost perpendicular position, the tail dragging on the ground and propelled by two large winds near the head must be fins. They meant fins and wings. Sorry.

So it has two large wings. The head is a dragon. It's got a couple. It's got a couple wings up top. This is an ear dragon. It is has wings. It's called by two large wings near the head. It's a dragon. It's got a couple wings up top. This is an ear dragon. It is an ear, it is a, yeah, it's a dragon thing. Yeah. It has wings. Yeah. The previous snakes

that were obviously bullshit. It's like a frilled lizard. The ones in Kansas and in Texas did not have wings, so they couldn't be a thing. Well, I mean, none of us are buying that thing. No, they're stupid. But this is obvious. This, I think, might have happened. And it's wings. It's in the LA Times. It's got the frills.

It's a snake. It's on the tracks. It's doing the perpendicular thing. The paper then said the animal looked about 30 feet long and 12 inches in diameter. 30 feet long and 12. I mean, that's a pretty, it's kind of a worm. It is wormy. Wormy.

It's a snake. It's a snake. Ah. It's got wings, Garrett. Worms don't have wings. Worms don't have wings. Worms don't have wings. Worms don't have wings. They can't do.

No, we're not doing this again. I will do. Have we ever done this on air? I don't know if people know about this debate we've had for a long time. Worms can absolutely have wings. They do know. They do, no. Oh my lord. That's how they're digging. They have wings. That's how they get... yes.

That's why they call them night crawlers. No, that's a different... Because during the day they're up in the sky. No, they call night crawlers... Night crawlers are day flyers. Stop it. This is so stupid. They're not called day flyers. They're in the ground at daytime

Yeah, uh-huh. Would you do it? Did you drug dead tell you that one? I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude, but that's just really stupid. Let's just say it for dinner. You're saying stupid stuff now I would love to finish this English. So I would love to finish this over dinner Well, we eat that's how I know because we eat flying worms in England. I That's how I know because we eat flying worms in England. I don't want to do this anymore. I do not. Last time we got a fist fight. Yeah, I know.

We broke. Yeah, we know we broke each other's jaws. So pretty much on the plane, I'm having the dumbest fight with my Pretty much a man on the train plane. I'm having the dumbest fight with me Don't tell me So pretty much everyone on the train is now open the windows and they're poking their heads out of the windows to get a look Are they're hanging onto the platforms to look? At this huge ass fucking snake quote the train and snake came together But the snakes tail was not where it should have been and a portion of its lower extremities

Was clipped off. Oh So they ran over part of the tail the snake tail and took that shit off snake did not know how to attack a train So then now the snake is pissed shit Quote and it prepared for war the snakes sex going to war. Shield. He spins around and starts chasing the train.

Now he starts flying through the air. Quote, two miles faster than chain lightning. Gareth, I have no idea what that means. Okay. But it sounds fast. You knew where I was going, yeah. It sounds like an ACDC song. The snake overtook the train.

End quote, began war after the latest snake style. May you help there too? I can't, I can't. You can't. You're walking away from that one as well. Because I just want to... I know these are my Los Angeles people, but I still don't. I don't know.

I'd love to know. The snake style? Yeah, the latest snake style. I assume coiling and... I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I'm not really... Oh yeah. It gave the train a thrashing and roared like a cow in distress. Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo It breaks several windows in the attack. Oh, this bastard. Scares the shit out of the women and children.

Apparently, they're fine. They are so weak. The men are like, ah, it's just another snake attack. No wonder we let them go first. And then it flies off, apparently done with the attack. Interesting choice. And as it flies away, the passengers who have guns all start shooting at him or her.

We are America. We are America. We will shoot. We will attack the Skysnake. The shots have no effect whatsoever. By the way, I'm running on one simple platform. It is legal to shoot at Skysnakes or train worms with wings. Quote, this is vouched for by everyone who is on the train and is given for what it is worth and the last part is very strange yeah kind of like a throwaway okay I can't I wish I can't remember what pages was on I feel like it wasn't on the front page of the LA Times. No, well, you know, there's other stuff that's happening besides Sky Snakes attacking trains. Gareth the dollop is brought to you by Public Rec.

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Many people being reported by being attacked by flying winged reptiles in America's west during the last part of the 19th century and early 20th centuries. There's a lot of headlines about these flying monsters. This is a time during American journalism when it's common to run stories about sea serpents and ape-like wild men in haunted houses right alongside the news, like crime and daily politics and stuff like that. So we just decided to allow a bit of comic, we just like put comic books like as articles

near other articles. You don't know it's not real. No, I just think it's you know haunted houses all that stuff. It's just it's interesting. No, I'm on board. I believe in it. Yeah. Uh, March 10th, 1992. Oh, thank God. 1992. 1992. That's way better. I jumped too fast. Look, we've, uh, we've located the sky snake. That's

fire. We're going to fight gonna fight we're gonna win against sky snake much 10th actually I got in a lot of trouble for pulling my sky snake out and showing it to a group of women when I was the governor who are you I think I'm Bill Clinton I got a worm I got a worm, I got a worm with wings. I bet you do. Want me to show it to you? No, no I don't. That's when I spread my scrotum out. Everybody's seen it and I don't want to see the dragon.

Can I show you, Matt, please show you one-eater elephant. Don't want to see the wings, don't want to see the torso. Can I show you a one-eater elephant? No. Have you ever seen a hose that can wink? Nope. Don't want to. You have any interest in that?

Nope. How about an ant eater on an uncle? Nope. No interest? No. I'm going to take my cock out. Can we start the nuclear negotiations now? Well, I would love to. Well, yeah, well, we got, does anyone want to hold on to a trouser

vacuum? Thank you. Actually, we're going to start the negotiations. Okay. Can I show you what a pool noodle looks like outside of the water? Have I ever shown you a bill Bossa? I know it's like a, so we're just going to go on with this now because you're upsetting people. We're going to maybe I'll get on a, my helicopter. I'm using my waist. Yeah. Coming in for a landing.

I'll sit down. Okay. Thanks All right, let's bite the hook March 10th 1892 two wood choppers were working five miles outside of Hilton, California It's up in Northern California. Okay, they were Thomas Campbell and Joseph Howard. They're suddenly Startled by the sound of, quote, many wings flapping in the air.

Many. Come on. Many. Come on. Do you hear that? Yeah, it sounds like a lot of wings flapping. They look up, about 40 feet above the trees, they see what appears to be a crocodile. What? This is scary for people, Gareth. You're laughing and this is scary.

18 feet long. Would you look at that? Whoa, sky could dial Whoa, sky-cadile. It's 18 feet long. Oh my God, look at the size of him. And flies using six wings along the length of its body. That's where all the wing noises came from. Well, talk about a confirmation. It's a scarecrow.

Each wing is about 15 inches in shape like a duck's foot. And by the way, here's what I can't get over. The wings are so tiny. I know they're really tiny. The wings are always like baby wings. They're like these enormous amphibians or reptiles with like fairy wings. They were glittery.

fairy wings. They were glittery. It has 12 legs, which I assume just dangle down. Fuck. Well, looks like some weird shit. A lot of legs. That's a way. Listen, you would think that it would have more wings than legs, but here we are. Howard, who is obviously the badass of the two, shoots one barrel of his shotgun. If he fucking kills this thing. Look, that's what you do. If there's a monster just flying over you without a care in the world about you, you

can take a fucking shot at it. Irritate it. Yeah, don't just be like, wow, nature's unbelievable. We should try to eat that real quick. Hey, how do you think that would stew up? How good is that being a chili? Quoted under the cries similar to that of a calf and bear combined. This honestly that's this is almost where I'm starting to be like, they are adding some details to this stuff. I've never been more on board.

It was like if a baby and a chicken exploded. Imagine if a dinosaur and a fish fought. In the sky. In a sky fight. Imagine if a dinosaur and a fish fought! In the sky! In the sky fight! We heard the bullets rattle as though striking a thin piece of sheet iron. It was like if it was a wolf rooster! No sign of being inconvenienced or injured by the shots.

So it survived, so it was hit though. Didn't even bother it. Yeah. Just like just was like whatever. It was like it clearly hurt it because it made the yeah because it made the bear scream. Yeah, that's true. It did the bear calf. This was reported or maybe they just meant that if like a bear got shot in the back of the leg that could also be a bear calf. I just think it's important to it. in the back of the leg. That could also be a bear calf. I just think it's important to a-

No, no, I get it. Yeah, yeah. This is reported in the Gridley Herald who vouched for the two men, quote, this is the first time we have ever heard of such a creature as this, but our informants are reliable men, hence we cannot doubt their statements. A lot of this is just dependent on the fact that two people have never publicly lied before. It seems like this is a time when you can, what am I saying? It's now.

You can say whatever you want. Imagine what you were about to say. You know, in this area, you can kind of say anything and they print it. Illinois, I was a little Illinois kind of in the west at this time. Sure. In August 1885, a farmer named James Vincent Sr. of Blue Mountain, Illinois hears his lambs bleeding and doing the little. He hears his lambs bleeding?

Bleating. Oh, okay Until he goes to investigate sure and He sees a huge reptile raise its head up many feet above the ground these motherfuckers and he's like, holy fuck so he goes quickly to his friend's house in Fletcher and So he goes quickly to his friend's house in Fletcher and asks four guys for help. He's like, you guys got to help me. This giant reptile eating my lamps.

So they go with him and at the farm they see the sheep in the field and they're running. And then they notice, oh, it's not one serpent. Oh, it's four one serpent. Oh my God. It's four. Four. There's the big one that he saw and then there's three small quote, each of which the men claim measured from 18 to 20 feet.

Those are the little guys. Those are the little guys. The big guy. Those are the little serpents. 40 feet. Eating lambs. The little ones were they would grab the lambs and then head for the big snake. So they're feeding the feeding lambs to the big snake. Right. I want time I fed a lamb to my big snake. No I did. John Klingon threw a fence rail at them.

Okay. I mean you do, you work with what you got. Let's walk through any actions we're gonna do from now on before we do them. Well that seems to really piss them off, what I did. I really pissed him off when I did. So the serpents drop the lambs and attack the men and the men repel the serpents. With? I guess fence posts. They're guns, I think they're guns. And the snakes then turn and go back to the lambs

and one gives it to the big snake who just eats it like a snake does, just down the hole. The men just start shooting now. And when they shoot at the big snake, it's still for several minutes. Quote, and then the small snakes ran into its mouth. It unfolded its wings and started,

but it was some time before it could get out of the field, for it was surrounded by a big hedge fence. So the fence is really the, the fence is how you fight a serpent. Big fences, yeah. Big fence. You know, it's a lot like in signs one water That was real though. Yeah still

It finally got up and starts flying east and it flies past William Lannister's house quote His sister Katie who was in the yard was frightened so badly that is feared. She will never recover Fuck so it's not funny. will never recover. Oh, fuck. So it's not funny. No, no, we've made jokes, but you know. This is tragedy. Yeah, she's now in a snake coma. It went past Mr. Zable's house.

Mr. Zable, yeah, okay. Mr. Zable, quote. Zable stable. His daughter Minnie saw it and she has been warned by an overruling power to stay in. Sorry, what's going on? She's not allowed to go out of the house anymore. Because of who? She saw the flying snake.

But who told her? An overruling power? Her dad, I think. I think her dad. Is it crazy for you to have Finn start calling you that? He's probably too late. No. But if there's any more kids involved in our world.

It's not crazy at all. Overruling power, may I have some mashed potatoes? I suppose. It passed over Cooksville where Doc Shattler and Colonel Wells saw it, but they thought it was Byrds. Well, there's our two guys. Let's remember those guys fondly in this story. Pretty sure it's just a bird.

No, it ate a bunch of lamb's assholes. And then a bunch of the little ones went in the big one's mouth. Well, God, that woman up, that shit can't even function anymore. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But that shit can't even function anymore. Ha-ba-ha-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba It's so funny, not funny, I mean I take this very seriously. Thank you. But how much of the evidence is just things that we see sometimes and that people were scared.

Yeah. They wouldn't make it up. They were freaked out. Yeah. What makes more sense that these two guys didn't see a bird properly or that we have a six wing, 12 legged, sky-cadile. (*laughing*) Quote, John at Klingon fell prostate

and was carried to Mr. Vincent's house where medical aid was summoned and it was some time before he came to. So that guy passed out. He heard his prostate? That guy passed out. Wow. Prostrate.

Oh, sorry. So you might be saying at this point, well, at least things have calmed down at Elizabeth Lake. Well, I mean, we hadn't heard about it in a while. I would just assume that there is no more. Well, no, they haven't, Gareth. Uh-oh. Still water screaming? At this point, the lake is a fetid nightmare.

A visiting reporter from the San Francisco Examiner called it, quote, a stagnant pool of putrid water drained from surrounding alkali flats, an odor of a thousand sewer traps and a million tanneries sluited our nostrils, and the stomach which have turned not away in loathing from camp cookery begin to show signs of open rebellion." So it's gross water. It's gross. The water's bad.

Yeah, but that's... It could be because all the... they're like... they have animals and stuff and it's all just the piss and shit and all the animals are just draining into this lake and they slaughter them. Well, it's two options. It could be that. It could be that or it could not be. It could be a water beast.

The water is bad because the animals and probably the surrounding people are using it as a toilet or we got a screaming devil at the bottom. Screaming monster, underwater monster devil. Screaming. Pretty obvious. People still live there around the lake. They have now a small town. There's a hotel and two stores and a blacksmith

shop. That's one of those hotels where you're like, God, it didn't say anything about this on TripAdvisor. You should see the pictures. I wonder if it was so cheap. Fucking devil at the bottom of the lake. One night in 1883, there's a loud disturbance in Lopez's corral. Yeah, Lopez still lives there.

It's been like 30 years. He's still there. The men all run to the corral and 10 horses are missing. Ten. Jesus Christ. Quote. Ten horses are missing ten Jesus Christ quote and against the night sky was seen an incredible Griffin Winging away heavy with feasting He's fat he's fat. He just had a big ass meal. He's eating up in the air

Well, I think he no I think he just ate he just ate the horse. He's a big boy. He's a big boy. He's full of horse. That was apparently the end for Chico Lopez. He decided to sell. That's it. He's a super motivated seller. I guess he saw a Griffin eat 10 horses from around here. So he is, you could get it at quite a deal. I'm actually not interested in a Griffin farm, right? Well, let me just walk you through what this property has and doesn't have. Or fly me through, because I'm not.

You've got a great area to grow crops, which are just, it's awesome. You can grow anything here. Beautiful. Does the griffon eat the crops? The produce, hold on. The produce here you're gonna grow is great. The vegetation is awesome.

The lake has been turned into a toilet. There's a devil down there screaming. That's not, I don't want a toilet lake. You cannot bring any animals. Wait, hold on, hold on. And your child might be put into some weird sort of coma state. Hold on, Hold on.

There is a Griffin who eats anything living. Did you say screaming devil? Yes. At the bottom of toilet lake, which used to be Elizabeth Lake, there is a devil who has Diabloed the whole thing and now it's just sort of a gurgly bog where the devil screams. It also is kind of a hot tub vibe. So I don't know what you want to do, but I would recommend buying this because I really am. I'm looking to sell this. I just I gotta be honest.

I just I took the four four nights. Five five days just for the offer to like it says just listen to our offer and then you can stay at the hotel. So I don't want to buy anything. I just honestly I'm just here. I took the hotel so I don't want to buy anything I just honestly I'm just here I took the hotel deal so where do you live I lived in in the dark anus come there Satan please which is also that's crazy um it's called some people got Santa Monica Some people got Santa Monica.

Eugh. That's a private person, right? Yes. Eugh, no thanks. So he's gonna sell it and he sells his land to Don Felipe Rivera, who planned to capture the beast and sell it to the cells That's what you do. He's gonna circus it. What else would you this is a guy who's got a fucking plan?

Finally, you got a love when that guy says that when he's buying it just like you're like, okay My plan is to catch him and sell him to the circus. Okay. Yeah. Whatever you think. I think it would be great next to the strongman and the mermaid. Like you're going to be able to get a lake devil into the circus. It's fucking the craziest idea. So... So, at the time, the LA Times writes a story about the creature at Lake Elizabeth. Now, when I read the story-

We finally sit down with the Lake Elizabeth creature. Finally, 10 questions with the Lake Diablo. When I read the story, it very much seemed like Don Felipe was trying to drum up the story of the monster to try to get a deal with the circus. It's just quite a move to be like, the circus would be like, yeah, probably not. It seems like he's a little too powerful for what we're doing. Like, let me walk you through what we're doing. We're putting a bunch of clowns inside of small spaces.

We're doing like we have a dog on a unicycle. We got a lady with a mustache. We got a bear that could kind of roll on a ball a little bit. We actually just got a kangaroo little box. Oh, this guy can put his lower lip above his nose. kangaroo little box. Oh, this guy can put his lower lip above his nose. I mean, he's got the world's longest mustache. I don't know if that guy, your lake devil is going to fit in. The LA Times quote is attested that at night he comes out of the water, visits the corrals and fills up with sheep and calves a half dozen at a time. and fills up with sheep and calves a half dozen at a time.

The article reports that once the creature had tried to eat a Texas Longhorn Steal which fought back, causing Don Felipe to come running, quote, he saw the python which at that moment had swallowed the steer to the middle. So the steer is- So like halfway digested. Yeah, so it's inside of his right. It's halfway in the tummy. The tum tum part.

Yep, right. But after a terrific struggle, the victim freed itself. So the jumped out of his center got out of his parts. Wow. The upset monster then fled back to the water. Dunflin described it as about 45 feet long and as big as four elephants. It had a head like a bulldog and six legs. I like that he's doing his measurements in circus. You do?

He's like, that's the way to sell it. It's the size of four elephants. Four elephants are like 40 strong, man. Eyes like two buckets of popcorn. I mean, that's like how now we measure everything in football fields. He's about the size of four elephants. Head like a bulldog and six legs, two wings. This guy. Don Felipe said he gave chase and ran alongside it and emptied his 44 into its side.

Quote, the bullets striking the monster's side sounded just as if they were taking, as if they were staking against a great iron kettle. So again, you shoot these things and it's like, just hitting, it's like when the flying crocodile. Yeah, but a steer just jumped out of it. Well that's a different. So horns, get it, bullets.

I think the steer came back out the mouth hole. Oh the top. Oh. I think it's. Okay. Cause once a steer gets halfway into a snake it's like all right, enough. Yeah that's kind of, it was, by the way,

the first implausible thing that's happened so far Don Felipe said the next morning you found four bullets all flat as a pancake So it is bulletproof. It sounds like it Don Felipe had come to Los Angeles to talk to people to figure out a way to capture it The cells brothers of the cells float ho circus way to capture it. The cells brothers of the cells floato circus had sent an agent to the lake to report on the best way to catch the lime and determine how to handle it. So there is a circus interested in this bulletproof. Yeah, they sent a guy who's going to try to figure out how to get it and then also how to keep it in the circus like what defeated and that guy just water. Look,

and then also how to keep it in the circus, like what to feed it and have it in the water. Look, leg snake, I totally get it. I mean, you are really crushing it out here and that's why we're looking, we're not going to give you one of these bullshit deals. We're looking to sign you to something big. We're looking to sign you to a five year, okay,

exclusive cell circus deal only. And we really, Exclusive sell circus deal only and We really We see this whole thing is the the snake circus. We want to be in the lake snake business Terrible noxious smell obviously and Well, look what we can give you is We can promise you a lot of dog food. That's what we'll feed you. Our touring schedule, we have a day off every seven days.

And you know, you've got to look, we're all kind of, we're all kind of compromising our living spaces a little bit. But we really, we see your face on posters. We're going to bring your headline and shows like Snake. So that's what we want to do. You know, as far as what we'll have you do certain things, we'll have you fly, we'll shoot you, we'll see the bullets get flat. We love the idea of a steer jostling out of your mouth. But we're really just we love you. And we want to snag you before somebody else does. Fuck yourself.

Super crazy to. I'm not in it for the money. All right. This guy, performers. The contract with Don Felipe read quote, that if the Python is such as the party of the first part describes it to be, and if the party of the first part succeeds in taking it alive, then the party of the second part agrees to pay the sum of $20,000.

So if this doesn't work out, he's gonna be on the hook for $20,000. No, I think they'll just pay it if he catches it and turns it over. Otherwise, no deal. Don Fupia has to catch it and turn it over. Yeah, well, no shit, no deal. I mean, so do we have a deal if I don't give it to you?

Absolutely not. That's crazy. What are you talking about? So the monster was sighted several times from 1881 to 1886. You mean like given a ticket? Yeah. Okay. It's a little loud and smelly.

Unfortunately, it is the middle of the night and you're making their lake gurgles again. Soon after returning from Los Angeles, Don Felipe saw it again and he gave chase and it sank into the lake and not long after it was seen rising up out of the lake and flying off to the east and it was never seen at Elizabeth Lake again. Imagine trying to catch this thing for the circus. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine it. Here, when life gives you the opportunity to make a fortune, you take it there. You take it. That's fair. That's just when I see that I'm like, look at all that fucking money. That's all

I'm sure. Yeah, no, just and it's easy to catch. I think easy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Little bit of bait, throw a net over it. Yeah. I got a snake that you can bait. OK. What? You want a bait snake? I'm your guy.

No sir. No sir. On April 26, 1890, the Tombstone Weekly Epitaph in Arizona published a story titled, Found on the Desert. The article described how two ranchers riding in the desert between a whetstone, a whetstone in Huacucha, Huachuca? Huachuca. Huachuca.

Huachuca. Bounted when they came across a winged monster that looked like a giant alligator. We're back to the Skygator. Well, this one's a little different. It has a long tail and a huge pair of wings. So not six pairs, so little wings. One big pair of wings.

So very dragon-y. Yeah. It seems very exhausted. And the men assumed from a long flight. Of course, we've all been there. So some people think that this was the Lake Elizabeth monster that flew. Yeah, some people could think that.

Some people put it together. There's experts out there. They put the stuff together. Sure, yeah, yeah. But now it's really tired and it's just flying short distances at a time. Spurts. Yeah. And the two men start chasing it and they chase it for miles on their horses and they finally catch up to it and

They shoot it down Using their Winchester rifles. Thank God. Thank you. Here's here's The beast measures 92 feet with a wingspan of 160 feet. So this is legit wings. That's what I like to hear. It's a big boy real wings It has big eyes that protrude out of its head. The head was eight feet long and has sharp teeth It is very smooth skin and thick transparent wings with no feathers So he's like 40 elephants. Yeah It's crazy Yeah. It's crazy.

The two men cut off a bit of the wingtip to take back to Tombstone as proof. Because you can't just leave that. You got to take a piece back to show people. Be like, look, there's some shit out there you need to know about. Well, I know a lot of people doubted that there are dragons. Here's an inch of wing. Now who's laughing? That looks like a, I gotta be honest, that looks like a lizard cowboy boot tip.

What like snake skin boot? No, no, no. This is a gator. This is a sky gator. There's nothing that looks like gator about that. Look at that. Look at that size that we should have. Well, in retrospect, we should have taken a lot more. But I mean, it's look at it. I mean, it's tiny. Well, we didn't want to take a whole wing. It's really hot out.

Why? Because it's hot out. We didn't feel like bringing it all the way back. I'll take you to go see it. Why don't you take a foot or something that's not like shit I've seen? This wing is not like anything you've seen. Maybe we didn't take.

We've all seen this. This looks like a. seen. Maybe we didn't think about, we just didn't want to carry. We didn't want to carry a bunch of shit back. So we were kind of just trying to figure out what the easy, the wing was light. It also, we could hold a little bit above. It was, I think what we were thinking is we could have, we could bring back a little bit as sort of an amuse bouche. And if you guys liked it, we could take you to where the buffet is. So, you know, if you guys are if you guys are seeing the little wing slice and you're going, hey, I'd like to see more. Yeah, we'll take you back. That's what we're saying. Yeah. What?

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You don't want to shoot me. I'm the guy who knows where the SkyGator is. Look at this. Well, you got us too. Well, I guess one of us could go. I mean, if we're, no, don't even say that. We're not even, well, I'm just saying, if we needed one of us to.

Yes, the guy. The Amuse Bouche guy. I can't even remember which one you guys said Amuse Bouche. I'm pretty sure I said Amuse Bouche, but I don't know why I did. Okay, so let's kill this one. I, well, I've used the term, so I don't know if I used it just now but I've definitely I guess we kill both of you No, you know what? How about this?

How about this Yeah, great plan now they can't see us It's hiding under the wing It's not here. Well, how do you hide under the wing? It was not here the time of the little part you have It doesn't look like you're hiding under anything. You think it's so small they could see through it. Okay Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Regroup. Regroup. Yeah. Yeah. Hey people died We're two new guys We're here to look for some of the gold. Yes, yes, we are completely different.

Hey, real quick, what is this thing here that looks like a bit of a wing? It's like a little bit of an alligator wallet off and well, I brought it in to tell us we're gold guys, but that's very intriguing piece we I agree we are very intrigued by what we've seen but we're two separate gentlemen from whoever brought that if that was brought in by gentlemen to or such where we should probably get going to the mountains and look for our goal that's probably get going to the mountains and look for our gold. That's oh no, no, no.

Oh, jeez, jeez. Okay, so they bring this party and they get a group of prominent red men to ride back to the body and take it and ship it back east to be examined by leading scientists. This would become known as the Tombstone Thunderbird. Gareth, in June 1890, a boy, Jimmy Diller, was playing on the hills of Balboa Park in San Diego

when he saw a massive monster, half bird flying thing. It has bat-like wings, a long bill, and a tail twisted like a donut. He's got a donut tail too. I just love that it's a boy. It looks like a cinnamon. It looked like a cinnabon it did. I was just playing with my pinwheel up on the bluff,

and then I seen a devil dog in the sky, but he had a little bit of a donut tail. Jimmy dropped as the bird flew down to try to snatch him. I'm totally on the bird's side. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know. It missed and flew off and Jimmy ran home and told his father, quote, Papa, I have just seen the devil.

Quiet boy. And then he was shown a drawing of the tombstone Thunderbird, and he said that was what he had seen. So is so you can't. You after some after some point, you can't dismiss this stuff. And you killed those two guys who brought the wing back. Yeah. Well, that was yeah, that was a mistake. A San Diego man also said he saw the monster that day over Switzer canal near 28th street and he swore on a stack of bibles. Boom. How many, how many will make this official for everybody?

That's the question. I reckon just the one would be fine. I've seen a big giant bird bat thing and I will swear on this book of fake stories. All right, let's get 20 of them and then he will be for sure telling the truth. In Fresno the next summer, people began reporting that they'd seen a pair of pardactyls living in the swampland around Tulare Lake. They said they were flightless birds, six feet long, and wingspans double that. People had different descriptions of their heads, long, wide bills, or alligator snouts, and they flew around and snapped their jaws and had giant teeth, and they sounded like swans.

They ate ducks? But six feet, the thing that is, six feet is much different than what we've also been hearing about prior to this. It is much different. Also, this reminds me of a condor. Right. Which I was like, I was like 10 feet away from one once.

And they're fucking terrifying. Yeah. Yeah, you see it and you're like, well, that's a prehistoric. Well, birds are. I mean, birds are especially condors are especially like, oh, fuck. Well, when you see their feet up close, you're like, oh, my God. It's terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when we when I was in Australia and saw

cassowary. Oh, I thought you say will. Sorry, Will. What did I say? He said Cassowary. Oh, I don't know what the fuck a cassowary is. That's not even a term. No, Will. Will Anderson.

I was like, oh yeah, okay. Wow, that's, can you see its feet? Yeah, it is crazy. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeesh. So, where was it? Okay, so they're these pyridactyls

and they're saying they're around the lake and they're eating ducks and mud ends and farm chickens and they left tracks in the mud, which looked like an alligator's track, 11 inches wide, 19 inches long. That doesn't even make sense. Anyway, there were many debates about the pyridactyls. Some thought they were fake or exaggerated or misidentified.

But then that was kind of it. So that was kind of it. So as the wild west of America frontier starts to fade, the dragon stories start to go away too and kind of like see monsters on maps that European sailors worried about people became familiar with areas all over the place and the dragons just kind of went away. In 1963, Saga Magazine wrote up a story about the tombstone Thunderbird.

The magazine said there had been a photo taken of the men who brought it back out of the desert. And they were beside the creature as it hung from a building. After that, for years, people would claim to have seen the photo. They would swear they had seen it. People would for years would be like, I saw that photo. Like old guys. Yeah. But there is no record of that photo. It was apparently never in the Tombstone epitaph and no one can produce a copy. And in 2010, an English guy was inspired to create a fake photo of a bunch of guys from that time period

standing in front of an old building, holding up a massive bat-like dinosaur creature. And people also think that's real. Like they'll put it, it'll be posted every once in a while and people also think that's real. It'll be posted every once in a while and people are like, what, yeah, yeah, that's a thunderbolt. What is that photo called? Well, I don't think it's called anything,

but people identify it as the tombstone thunderbird. So if you go Google tombstone thunderbird, that will come up and it's a bunch of guys sitting in front of like an old building. Oh yeah. And you've seen that before, right? No, I don't think I have. Oh, you haven't?

Well, it's... I don't think I have. I mean, yeah, some guy, I think the guy in England made that. He was just like, this would be funny. And so people think it's real now. It's fucking comical. Yeah. Oh my God. So that's the story of American dragons in the American West. What a fucking pile of shit. All real. It's very UFO isish in the sense that there's just a lot of anecdotal stories.

Yeah. And then there's also people that just tell a bullshit story. There's people who see things and maybe who knows, and then there's people who see things and because of the who knows stories, they think they see something else. And then there's people who did actually probably just see like a seagull. Yeah, and they were like, it was tragic. Yeah. It's Yeah. sources of the Angelus Times, the Jacksonville Republican, the New York Times, the Newport Daily News, Kansas City Star, San Diego Weekly Union, Mark Korvinsky, Cowboys and Dragons Unraveling the Mystery of the Thunderbird Photograph and Strange Magazine, Tombstone

Epitaph, Sacramento Daily Record Union, LA Daily Herald, Thunderbirdphoto.com, the flying serpent who battled a train and other American dragons and on the old west coast being further reminiscence of a ranger by Major Horace Bell. Well, it's quite a story, quite a country. For real. And we'll get back, like, sort of to what you were alluding to. We'll be back. We're already,

we're already starting to sniff around these things a little bit. It won't be this, but get ready to think there's like a stock market fairy and, Yeah. You know, that there's gonna be like an oil demon who is like hoarding the oil and we need to like drop a nuke on it.

Yeah. Fight it. I mean, I was like, I wonder what the conspiracy theories about bird flu and right away that it's that bird flu is being spread by government. Oh, yeah. No, that's there's there's some really interesting stuff happening. Yeah, it's yeah, we got it. We're good. Yeah.

No, the straightforward answer is never an option. That's so. Yep. Well, there you go. There you go. Happy birthday. You're welcome. Hey, dollop fans, I know you love the dollop. You love listening to the dollop. Do you want to watch the dollop?

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