The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 671 - H.L. Hunt - Part One

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine very rich guy H.L. Hunt. Part one of three.  SOURCES TOUR DATES OFFICIAL MERCH   Squarespace  Mint Mobile ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We're going on tour and this is it's been a while March 2025 is when our tour is happening. First of all, we're going to Tempe, Arizona Maybe our best city of all time. It's the best that is on March 16th And then we go to Albuquerque, New Mexico, maybe our favorite city ever. We really never love the city We've ever gone to that's on March 17th and then we go to Oklahoma City, which is our faith We often say that it's our number one. Yeah, it's our number one. The best city I've ever been to.
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Starting point is 00:00:46 And then we go to Houston, Texas on March 23rd, which is by far the best city. And then we end our tour in Austin, Texas, on March 22nd at the Cap City Comedy Club. It's the best city in the entire world. Number one city in the world. You can get tickets at dolloppodcast.com slash tour. You're listening to the dollop.
Starting point is 00:01:09 This is an American history podcast for each week. I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a teat. Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be. No, you don't. I do know one thing. It's a three-parter. It is a three-parter. I'll tell you what happened. It intrigued me. Has it intrigued you? Yeah, I bought some champagne. I'll tell you what happened. I didn't put it in here. What? So. Peel back the curtain, babe. Well, this is this was going to be a Texas show because we're having a light tour coming
Starting point is 00:01:50 up. podcast.com Squarespace. And so we're going to Texas. And I had always wanted to do this subject. And so I sent it off to one of our lovely researchers who was like, who? Brittany Cohen Brown. And she was going to find this. We're in the new studio.
Starting point is 00:02:12 She sent back. Celebrate. We'd really do in champagne. Yeah. All right. You want any? Sure. I'll take a swig. Here you go. You're clean, right?
Starting point is 00:02:21 Just the I just got the what do you call them? The source. Yeah. Mouth and mouth source. The source? Yeah. Mouth source, open source. Yeah. You like that? That was a little bubbly. So, Brittany Cohen Brown, I sent it off to her, and she sends back, I was like, you know, it doesn't have to be that long. And then she says back, enough content for three
Starting point is 00:02:44 episodes, and it's, I don't want to cut, I read the whole thing, I'm like, I literally don't want to cut a word. So I was like, we'll just do this in the studio and I'll come up with another episode for Texas. So. That's good research for you too, because you say some, you've had some situations
Starting point is 00:02:58 where you're like, what's going on? Yeah, no, I've had some said to me and I'm just like, well, that's not helpful. Yeah. So Brittany did an amazing job. So I'm just like, well, that's not helpful. Yeah. So Brittany did an amazing job. So I'm just, you know, reading this straight. Okay. February 17th, 1889,
Starting point is 00:03:15 year of our Lord, J-Town. Wrong. Who people don't know. The kids love him. He is rad and a lot of people need to listen to the rad words of J-Town. You know, there's a lot of stuff in the Bible about longboarding and surfing
Starting point is 00:03:32 and just doing all the rad, excellent shit. I mean, what verse? It's in, it's in excellent 2432. Harold Lafayette Hunt Jr. was born in Carson Township, Illinois to Harold's son, Lafayette Hunt Sr. who was known as Hash. The dad's known as Hash? Hash. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Hash Hunt. Hash. I've done that at the Waffle House. And also Ella Rose. So she was known by the nickname June. Okay. Sorry, he was he was known by the nickname June. Wait, who? Hunt.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Hunt, the kid? For Junior. So they called him June. So we've got Hash Hunt, and then we've got Harold Hunt. And he's June. Yeah, he's the youngest of eight kids. Okay. Hash is a former Confederate soldier. And he's June. Yeah. He's the youngest of eight kids. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Hash is a former Confederate soldier. And by, for those new listeners, Dave and I are, have always been on the side of the South when it comes to that war. Big fans. So. And so moved North during the Civil War to escape the ravages that the war had on his farm. Okay. He was eventually accepted by his northern neighbors who even elected him sheriff.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Oh wow. This position often kept hash away from home during the week. Okay. I don't really understand but yeah. So maybe in town and they live further away from town. Seems strange. Yep. Was he a sheriff of their town that they lived in or maybe the county? interesting When he was home hash wandered around drunk cursing at his wife and kids Especially June who he seemed to resent more than anyone
Starting point is 00:05:20 Well when you have eight you have to pick one. Yeah to kind of be in it on be the smallest Yeah, pick pick. Oh, you have to pick one to kind of pin it on. Be the smallest. Yeah. Pick, pick. Oh, and he was the youngest. He's the youngest. Oh, yeah. So he's going to be the worst.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Yeah. Yeah. That was brunt. Brunt. So this was partially due to the intense closeness June shared with his mother, Ella Rose. It's healthy for a father to have jealousy about the relationship between a wife and child. Yeah, look, you... You're supposed to be loved by both and they're supposed to kind of keep those feelings separate.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Yeah, it's best if the mom and son don't get along and dad gets along with both. Well, I'm a little more progressive. They can get along, but not better than me and I got to be the most liked and I'm noticing if there's like conversations going on, you know, cut it out. Yeah. I'm the best. Yeah. Respect the best. Yeah. You know, stop. I have no arguments. Yeah. It's just this way I want it. I'm the man. Yeah. All right. Take it easy. Just calm down. The point was made. Now it's getting weird. I'm the man in charge. I'm the man. Yeah. All right, take it easy. Just calm down. The point was made. Now it's getting weird. I'm the man in charge. I'm the man. I am the man. No, I got it. You like
Starting point is 00:06:32 that roof? No one likes the roof. Well, it's mine. Okay. Negative asshole. Look. No, I'm just saying. We're not doing this. I'm not I'm just You know, I'm just being Demonstrative bad that Stop talking to the kids so much lady. Okay, I didn't know I was lady. Well, no, I mean, I'm just you're thought I was a kid No, you're my bro. No, you're my bro. I'm just kind of commiserating with you about you know, let's I Need to know who I am before your Dave. I mean, we're just talking I'm just telling you in my house, I thought in my house, I guess a lot of people don't know I have, I have 10 kids.
Starting point is 00:07:12 And if I come home and the wife is talking to the young, the wife's name, yeah, go and if I come home and Gowl is... Good doe? I'm not going to... Okay. Don't dox her. That's fair.
Starting point is 00:07:34 But she's a wanderer. And if she is talking to any of the kids, that's just, I demand respect. Two things I want when I come home, respect and portions of food. Can I move on? Because I want to do this. Yeah, we're really early. He's probably getting into it. People probably turned it on. One episode that made this father's irritation boil over was when hash came home unannounced
Starting point is 00:07:56 and saw his wife nursing seven-year-old June. Oh, man. Now I really do have a line. Now I really that is not. I have really do have a line. Now I really, that is not. I have a friend who was nursing, you know, cause it's a, it's a, it's called leche something, but it's like a thing where people like go long. Yeah. You go long, like to keep the connection or whatever. And so is it connection? I thought it was, I thought the physiological argument would be more like the bones are so dense. I mean, I'm sure was, I thought the physiological argument would be more
Starting point is 00:08:25 like the bones are so dense. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of reasons for it. It's like calcium based, whatever it is. It's like, if it's talking, no more sucking. So she kept them going to like six and then, uh, recently like, I don't know, a couple of years ago, kids are now, you know, late teenagers and she was like, yes, that was weird, right? I was like, yeah, that was, ago, our kids are now late teenagers. And she was like, yes, that was weird, right?
Starting point is 00:08:47 I was like, yeah, that was- She the one who was doing it? Yeah. Oh yeah. I was like, yeah, that's not really uncomfortable for everybody. Yeah. I mean, you hide that. That's heroin.
Starting point is 00:08:56 That's tit heroin. You don't show people that. You do that privately in the room. Yeah. Yeah. When I was a kid, I used to call boobs pillows. Go ahead. I, uh, when I was a kid, I used to call boobs pillows. Good. I still do. Uh, so he comes in, sees seven year old June getting, uh, a little bit of TT milk and, uh, he explodes at them, uh, demanding that that's absolutely never going
Starting point is 00:09:18 to happen again. And it doesn't, but June now is, uh, scared of his father. And he hates him, basically. Strange. So while June has a closer relationship with most of his siblings, especially his favorite brother, Leonard, June's oldest brother, James, is his dad's enforcer, and he's always degrading and bullying June.
Starting point is 00:09:42 So now- Again, this is what you want, the hierarchy. Yeah, you do. I like that his hierarchy is age-based fully. Yeah. Oldest best, youngest worst. Right. Yep. James was especially angry once.
Starting point is 00:09:54 June became known in the area as a sort of boy genius, even though he didn't go to school. Well, by the way, that's an argument for nursing past- Thank you. Three, two. That's an argument for nursing past three, two. That's why you let them suck it. Yeah. That's the term. I think so.
Starting point is 00:10:10 June learned to read at a very young age. He was tutored by his mother and as soon as his sisters would come home from school, he'd take their primers, I guess their books, whatever this Australian nonsense is, primers. Australian, what do you mean? We're starting in oh, we're starting in Australia. I think, I think she's Australian. I might be wrong. I might be wrong. No, no, no. The person who wrote it. Oh, okay. Oh, she wrote primary. I thought this was a term of the time. No, I think it could be a term of the primary school books.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Pretty sure she's Australian. Well, but primary school would be what they would say there for sure. And so the primary, the prim what they would say there for sure. And so- They primaries. They primers. Primers. They did the primers. He would take the books and just read them on his own, right? Like a fucking weirdo.
Starting point is 00:10:52 My opposite. He's a math whiz and he became known for his incredible memory. It's like you. It's tip based. I do have a good memory. Ask me what year this story takes place. What year does this story take place? 1887. No.
Starting point is 00:11:08 It's gutting. He beat his older siblings in card games very easily. He was able to recall the cards that had been played and what cards would most likely come up on each turn. So it's kind of almost a photographic memory. Sure. He's like a... It's an argument for breast milk.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Yeah. A few years later, 12 year old June began running away from home for a few nights at a time as we all do. Yep. Every night he spent away from home was terrifying for Ella Rose who pleaded with hash to do something about these little trips. But hash refused to do anything. He doesn't fucking care. Yeah. He wants them gone. Yeah. Yeah. He's they cheated little smarty pants titsucker. Yeah, he wants him gone. Yeah. Yeah. He's they cheated. Little smarty pants, tit sucker. Yeah. You get it. Hash was busy with the new bank he had opened up, especially since one of his sons had opened up another blank in town to compete
Starting point is 00:11:54 with him. What's this is the banking era of this time is so nuts. It's like, it's a door. It's adorable. It is adorable. It's like, it's like when you first, it's like when's a door. It's adorable is adorable It's like it's like when you first it's like when you hear like like the first like record We're like, oh wow, it's crazy where we got to but they're like, this is awesome Yeah, like the first banks were just like a guy was like, oh, yeah, you are you open it back I'm gonna open a bank. You swear to God that this is real. All you gotta do is go. Hey, we're open I'll take your money. How fucking hard is that?
Starting point is 00:12:25 Well, it's basically now. There was someone who commented on something of our, I don't even remember what we were talking about, but they were like, wait, why is Chase Bank bad? I was like, I don't even remember. I think we were, oh, it was the episode with Francesca. And I think I was saying how frustrating frustrating my credit union, isn't it? It's like, you know, because I wanted to leave Chase Bank. If you don't know that Chase Bank is horrible. You know what they did to me? So my bank got bought by Chase and then, so I closed my Chase accounts,
Starting point is 00:12:55 but there's a vendor that keeps sending money even though I've told a million times to not send money. To your Chase account? And they just keep sending sending there so Chase just keeps opening the account again. Closing a Chase account is like shutting your Facebook down. You're like what's like I just go to the office and plead. You're like what? The worst. Okay so anyways, if your son opens a bank to compete with you in town, you have bad relationships with your children. Sure sure. June loved life on the road and he liked sleeping rough and once he turned 16 he decided to you in town, you have bad relationships with your children. Sure. Sure.
Starting point is 00:13:25 June loved life on the road and he liked sleeping rough. And once he turned 16, he decided to start living the life of a hobo. Hobo by choice? Yeah. Now, hobo, just of the time, the term hobo was, we're fine using hobo. Yeah. Yeah. Back then it was, you know, it was a lifestyle. It was nomadic lifestyle type guy, you know?
Starting point is 00:13:49 Yeah, I guess there weren't boxcars. Were there boxcars? Yeah, sure. Of course. You don't know what you're talking about. History is a magical ride. He packed up a few belongings and took to the road in the spring of 1905, hopping on a westward bound train. Boxcar.
Starting point is 00:14:07 June had grown into a tall and muscular boy who excelled in manual labor. Nice, the American dream. He worked for railroads, he was repairing tracks, he herded sheep, he harvested olives, and he cut down giant trees in logging camps. Everything in there was like, you snuck in the olive part.
Starting point is 00:14:23 This is a strange one. Yeah, that was a strange one. Yeah, that was a big thing. Go head to America and pick olives. Strange. Yeah. Eventually, he ends up in San Francisco, and he checks into a cheap hotel and went out
Starting point is 00:14:36 to find some fun, as you do in San Francisco. Absolutely. He ends up spending the night with a sex worker who took a liking to him and warned him that the hotel he was staying in was known for Shanghai-ing guests. Oh, Shanghai, now, why don't you re-explain? No, why don't you?
Starting point is 00:14:55 Was that not where they would just take you? And make you work on a ship. And throw you on a boat. Yeah. Yeah, right. Often they get you drunk, but sometimes they just come and beat you up and take you. Right, yeah, right often they get you drunk, but sometimes they just come and beach up and rank right? Yeah, right. I guess
Starting point is 00:15:07 From the hotel is a wild one. Well, they get girls to drug their drinks and then then they take them so You know they're in the hotel, but they're also you know, there had to be some people like I was saying this to someone yesterday like when you Like back in the day when you used to black out, like the way you'd try to like play it off the next day, like you'd be like, I remember that. You know, like you'd be like, there had to be some people who woke up on a ship and were trying to just be like, ah, yeah. Like the way they were piecing it together were just where I wanted to be. Yeah. Like they were just like, Hey, cool. Hey, how did, uh, uh,
Starting point is 00:15:42 I'm glad I'm here. Uh, what, what were What what were the when did I sort of start doing this again you around after you had like your eighth shot? Yeah, I want to be a whale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes Well, you yell at it. Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely something was on my yeah. Oh man my list. I really Where are we going? We are going to Argentina. Oh shit. Yeah. So this is like, I thought it was maybe a day thing. No, it's like, it's like a year. It's a year on the boat. Uh, that's right. Argentina. So I guess that one next, who, who did,
Starting point is 00:16:17 who was the guy who I talked to when we said we were doing this again? Cause I'm just sort of like, I actually had a life. I was kind of signed up. Yeah. Yeah. You talked to the, the whaling company, uh, CEO. He was there. Yeah. You kept saying, I knew it was a year. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I did. Yeah. All right. That's dope. Uh, Puck and amen, that's crazy. So we're getting whales? Yep. Okay. Oh shit, I was supposed to have coffee with a friend today.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Well you know what'll wake you up is I need you to go clean the buckets of shit and pee. Mmmmm. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Shit. How far?
Starting point is 00:17:03 Oh shit, dude. That is, that is, fuck, shit, how far, oh shit, dude, that is, fuck, man. Yeah. Shit, a fucking year. Yeah. Shit. Oh, shit, dude, that's crazy, I had a hotel room. Well, now you don't.
Starting point is 00:17:20 I mean, you got a room, sort of. You'll be sleeping on the deck a lot, you'll be sleeping on the deck, yeah. Man. You got an area, you got a plank, I mean, he got a room sort of on the deck a lot. You got an area, you got a plank, I guess. Yeah. Lay down. Okay. All right. Well, that's cool.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Yeah. Good talk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this sex worker warns him, he gets out, he runs the hotel and he gets his stuff and he checks into a different hotel and that night, later that night or the next day or whatever, the sex worker told them that at 6 a.m. that morning, like two hours after he left the hotel, they all got routed
Starting point is 00:18:01 up and put on a ship for Alaska. Fuck. So, he works on farms on the outskirts of the city for a few months until a friend convinces him to go to Nevada and try out for a semi-pro baseball team. I don't think I have a great grasp of history. This era is full of things. I'm like, there's a lot going on. Yeah, there's. He's moving quick. Yeah, he's moving quick. Okay, so now he's going to play baseball maybe.
Starting point is 00:18:28 He had never played baseball, but he's going to. Sure. He's big. It'd be great to shanghai people into baseball. Wait, what? You're a Yankee. So he goes to the tryouts and he doesn't do well because he's never played baseball. That matters, I guess.
Starting point is 00:18:42 He's still glad he went though, you know, the experience and all on April 18th, 1906, while June was away from San Francisco at the tryouts, the city had a, the massive San Francisco earthquake. So he's away and the hotel he's living in, uh, just completely collapsed. And so now he's had two close misses, right? The Shanghai, the fire or the earthquake. And he decides California is not the place for him. He's kind of where I'm at. And he heads east.
Starting point is 00:19:11 He begins working in a logging camp in Arizona. It's filled with mostly white workers, but is close to a logging camp that employs Mexicans. Okay. And after work was done, he and his friends liked to visit the Mexican camp and watch them play a card game that June had never seen before. And one evening he asked if he could join in. And they're like, yeah, yeah, jump on in.
Starting point is 00:19:36 So he starts to play and remember, he has like the photographic memory. Right, oh, he's a card counter. So he won hand after hand and the pile on the money, the pile of table. We call this game Uno. The pile of money on the table. It's just getting bigger and bigger. You know, the one that he's won and everyone starts to get upset.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Sure. That happens. And his friends are like, maybe we should leave. Like, maybe we should get out of here. But he refuses to go until he has made $4,000, which is $100,000. Holy shit. In today's money. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:20:17 And then when he backs away from the table, no one's happy. Right. And he just casually leaves the camp and then just breaks into a run. Okay. A little whistle and then you go Speedy Gonzalez. Right. He's afraid. Racist. Yeah. I'm very, yeah. Racist. He's afraid they're gonna murder him, right? So. He's racist. Everyone, I'm doing, gonna do that a lot more by the way. So then he starts walking back to his own camp and then he's like, wait, they could also kill me because I have $4,000.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Yeah. So he just sleeps in the woods and then he skips out the next day. I don't hate the decision. I don't either. Absolutely. Yeah. I put the money in my butt and I would be like, that's a, be careful. So he just, he just bailed this morning, jumps on a train, and he hits the North Dakota where
Starting point is 00:21:09 he gets a job harvesting wheat. When the 1906 job economy is thrashing the current one. I mean, yeah, it's weird. You can just go anywhere and get a job. Anywhere you go. Cool. I'll do that. It was there that another man suggested that he go to college with all the money that he
Starting point is 00:21:34 has instead of spending his life on the road. He's just meeting people who are ceding his life for him. Yes. You should go to college. Okay. Okay. So he does. He enrolls in Valparaiso. Val Kilmer University. Valparaiso, Valparaiso.
Starting point is 00:21:51 A college in Indiana, which is known as the poor man's harbor. Sure. So he's 17, he starts studying there, taking classes like Latin, Zoology, and Rhetoric, which is a good class. I'm taking zoology and rhetoric. Ha ha ha.
Starting point is 00:22:10 He's a great student. He's able to put away even more cash by playing his classmates in poker. OK. But then he starts to miss his family. He hasn't seen them in years. OK. So a year after he starts, he leaves school and goes back
Starting point is 00:22:24 home. And Ella Rose is obviously thrilled. It's her baby boy. She probably takes that titty out. Let me start sucking. Jump back on it, boy. Yeah, get on it. He's happy to see his favorite brother, Leonard, is also there, but he had an attack of tuberculosis,
Starting point is 00:22:42 so that's why he came home. Leonard. Leonard did, okay. Hash and June mainly stay of each other. They stand, so that's why he came home. Leonard. Oh, Leonard did, okay. Hash and June mainly stay out of each other's way at this point. They're kind of living together, but they're not... Sure. Yeah, it's not great. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:54 The brothers... You wouldn't get it. It's like us. It's like you and your dad. He's dead. I know, but when he... On his last day... You do know he's dead.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I do know he's dead, yeah. How? Well, you told me. When I texted you the day, I said, I'm really sorry. You said, why? Why did you do it? I didn't do anything. That's what I texted you.
Starting point is 00:23:13 You think because I had breakfast with your dad that day and it was a wet breakfast that I did something. There's a lot of stuff adding up. This idea, this is crazy. I'm not even going to get into this. Because it just feeds these online conspiracies. You're a father killer. I loved your dad more than you and I spent a great day with him on his last day.
Starting point is 00:23:32 He wore his weird little cult outfit. What was his cult outfit? Well that group he was in. Native Sons of the Golden West? Yeah. He wore... So the brother, I mean, it is a full blown alcoholic and he's just like, this is a good group.
Starting point is 00:23:54 It was because it was a drinking group. Oh, fuck. I mean, they raised money for charity, but most of the time they just spent it drinking on Thursdays. They probably were shanghaied into the charity. So the brothers help out on the farm and in Hash's Bank through the winter. So they're splitting time. And then they set off on the road again together in the spring of 1907. Who does?
Starting point is 00:24:18 Him and Leonard. Oh, okay. So Leonard beat TB. BTB? Beat TB. Yeah, yeah, her beat TB. BTB beat TB. Yeah, yeah, he's back. So June and Leonard, they're going around the country.
Starting point is 00:24:30 They're following the harvests for work. But then he still he still hasn't so he has to go back home again. Like it's flares up. I think the man didn't like kicking it with someone for a while. He's like, I got soft TB. Like coughing in a boxcar. Imagine you and me next to each other. If one of us got TB, that would be the last time the other one would see that.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Yeah, absolutely. So they part ways. And June gets a telegram at the Canadian logging camp that he's working in. And it's like, come home, Leonard's dead. So he didn't make it. So he hustles back to try to make it for the funeral, and he plans to get back out on the road.
Starting point is 00:25:15 After the funeral, Hash starts to complain of horrible stomach pains when he's there. And he starts losing weight, Hash is's there. And he starts losing weight. Hash is a big guy, starts losing weight. And he can't really run his farm and the bank the way he used to. So June ends up being forced to stick around and help. OK.
Starting point is 00:25:36 And then a year after Leonard's funeral, Hash dies of cancer. OK. And he leaves June an inheritance of $5,000 cash, which is about a 166,000. So that's he's got some money. Yeah. Yeah. Worth it. Worth it. Well, I mean, you know, your dad left you. He left me. Uh well his uh his girlfriend was like, do you want his bike? Uh, kind of like a shitty 10 speed. It wasn't a Schwinn. It might've been a
Starting point is 00:26:11 Schwinn actually. I said no because I have a better bike and, uh, I don't know if there's whiskey in it. He also left us, um, silver bag of quarters. Yeah. It's turned out to be worth $35, but he thought it was well. Yeah. But in today's money, that's $38. I'm sorry. Today's one is $30. His father and brother dead. The business is now parceled off to his other brothers and sisters. There's not much keeping them there. Okay. So he decides to get back out on the road, but not as a hobo this time. He's going to un-hobo. He really didn't. Hobo sounds like a vagabond or a, it is. Yeah. It's like you're out there living on the, it's just like a gig.
Starting point is 00:26:57 It's the gig economy. Yeah. You're, you're a, it's a, it's a worker, right? So you're just moving around. Yeah, right. Um, but now he's going to de-hobo. Sure. As a kid, as a kid So you're just moving around. Yeah, right. But now he's going to de-hobo. Sure. As a kid, he'd heard his dad. No-bo. No, he's going to no-bo it. As a kid, he heard his dad would rant about how he should never have left the South.
Starting point is 00:27:18 That's the thing that a lot of them say. And there's a lot of fertile cotton in Arkansas. You could get rich as a farmer. So June decides to go and find out if that's true. OK. Now he sheds his nickname for another one and starts now going by HL. OK.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Because that's his name, right? It's Harold Luishas or whatever it is. Sure. Let me look at it. No, I don't give a shit. Yeah, you do. No, I don't care. Harold is sure let me look at no I don't give a shit yeah you do no I don't care Haroldson Lafayette hunt I don't care so he's now I'd rather not knowing you beyond the place where you wanted to be so he's now HL do you want to know what that stands for if you go back again I will beat you I'll look it up it's
Starting point is 00:27:59 Haroldson Lafayette yeah I remember junior yeah I was just making sure I heard you. So he's going by HL instead of Jun. The Jun was for Junior. I'm going to be- I'm going to be- Lafayette, Junior. I'm genuinely mad.
Starting point is 00:28:14 So he goes to Lake Village, Arkansas and the locals, not really a big fan of a northerner coming to settle on the land. But he's not a northerner. But he is a northerner. His dad was a northerner, but he's a northerner. And then I want these carpet bagging northern bastards who defeated them to come down and take the land. I tell you, when I moved to Idaho for that one year,
Starting point is 00:28:36 I put the American flag outside of my place that I was renting. I would too. Because I was like, come on now. So if you moved to the South, you'd do what? I wouldn't do that. I feel like an American flag is okay. You know what I do?
Starting point is 00:28:55 I do the American flag with like the 12 stars. I'm like, Hey, I'm not all the way there. I just put a kid rock flag out. This truck I saw today, the like, look, Trump and Vance, they're in office. We can deflag the trucks. Yeah, let it go. We're good. Yeah, you guys look like idiots.
Starting point is 00:29:19 You know what I mean? I would think that with a bumper sticker that stuck around for four years too long. The idea of driving a truck with more, with five flags. Yeah, you're an idiot. What are you doing? No, nobody who? Like we get it.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Who the fuck likes a president that much? Who as a politician as their identity? Any politician. You know what I mean? It's like imagine wearing the same hat and shirt for a band. You'd be like, bro, we get it. Yes, but triumphant away a long time ago. Yeah and then and then you're like if you're I mean if you had a truck that was like Metallica and a flag that was like Metallica and another flag was like ride the lightning everyone who loved
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Starting point is 00:34:50 They're still not. What? But now they're winning. They got the chance to get even with H.L. Okay. He's 22, and he sees his 40-acre farm for sale, and he asks people in time for information on the land Oh that land there is real fertile. You're gonna want to buy that land
Starting point is 00:35:09 You want to get that and just start planting there's not salt water underneath that there that Top soil there HL. I'd buy that as fast as you can grab it up for someone else It's gonna probably a local who knows what they're doing. Okay, so get over there as fast you can grab it up or someone else is gonna probably a local who knows what they're doing. Okay. Okay. So get over there as fast as you can. Well, it's close to a levy. And so HL is like, well, is it prone to flooding? No, no, that levees there because the levees one of the best levees we've ever had in town. They said it's a great place for growing cotton perfect conditions hasn't flooded in 35 years. Believe us. It's as great place for growing cotton. Perfect conditions. Hasn't flooded in 35 years. Believe us, it's as secure as it can be. We call that land Q-tip. You're going to get so much cotton out of it. So he buys it. He's fucking moron. And he sets
Starting point is 00:35:56 about restoring the farmhouse and planted his first crop, cotton. Two weeks later, the rains came and water overspills the levee and his farm is totally flooded. He lost everything that he put into that year's cotton crop. You think the cotton would just absorb that, right? And then all the locals laughed at him when he went to town. Which really is like so shitty because it's obviously not a failure of his ability. It's a failure of his being able to like...
Starting point is 00:36:27 Yeah, they're assholes. And they're acting like they can't believe that it's bad luck that the first flood in 35 years happened. I tell you, we're all absolutely floored. I just could not believe it. That's crazy. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:36:43 We all went, wow. And part of the thing is we was just telling you that this was good land. And then now you go there and that happens to you. Wow. But we were saying if it keeps on raining, the levee is going to break. So his land's underwater for three months. And while it's underwater, he notices that the adjoining farm is dry. So he decides to put all of his savings and he borrows some money from the bank into buying that land. He adds
Starting point is 00:37:13 960 acres to the 40 he already owns. So he went big. Now he's one of the biggest landowners in the area. You want to fuck with me? Yeah. I'll show you. So he plants a huge corn crop on his new land. Okay. Very optimistic. The weather has turned drier and conditions are perfect for growing. Okay. It all looks good. Okay. But before it's time to harvest, the cutworms come and they... What? Cutworms. Where are they? I don't know, but they eat all the corn. It sounds like they cut the... Cutting worms? It sounds like they cut the... Shit. It's like a worm with a saw. It's kind of like a caterpillar, really. Is it? I don't know. It might be a caterpillar. It sounds caterpillar-y. Yeah. It's like they're they're cutters. Like if you see a worm on something, that's good news. Well,
Starting point is 00:38:13 well, it depends what kind of worm. I think there's bad worms. No, there's not a bad worm. It's a bad worm. No, you ain't got a bad worm. What about the ones that are in the pinworm? The one that's in your butt? You want those? That means you can plant. that's in your butt? You want those. That means you can plant.
Starting point is 00:38:26 That's how you know your soil's good. You want those. I don't think you want those at all. I actually had pinworms and I threw them in my garden. And then they were in the soil. You're right. A cutworm is a caterpillar stage of various brown or tan moths.
Starting point is 00:38:42 There we go. You know, cause you're the David Attenborough of the podcast. They call it the Catter Worm but what it really is is a caterpillar. Please God stop stop destroying everything. And then they cut to him, they're going... And these little guys got quite an appetite. He's as full as he can be, but he could stuff a little bit more inside of himself. Next to him are some soil pinworms I've thrown in. Hello, I'm in a butt! Pinworms have come from me, but they're great for nurturing soils.
Starting point is 00:39:27 So they eat all the corn. He's upset, obviously. Yeah. Now he's lost his money. He owes the bank money. Fuck. He could only think of there's only one way. Can we just be happy for the cut worms for a minute?
Starting point is 00:39:43 Right? They're like, this has been awesome. They had the best fucking time. Thank you. So there's only one way to get money back. Cards. Yep. He heads to the planters club where he can find the best poker players in the area.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Okay. He should go for the, he should find a place with the worst ones. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Cause pretty quickly he finds out that he's not going to make a killing off these expert veteran players as he had to as you like the guys at the logging camp, right? Yeah, just totally different animal. Yeah, but he still does well. Okay. And he
Starting point is 00:40:15 gambled until every I imagine a lot of those guys had the same like card counting skills, right? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. So he gambled until he'd made enough money to pay back back the bank and a little bit more. Okay. So good. And from then on, every Saturday, he was at the main poker table at the Planters Club. And during the week, he stayed in Lake Village making money by beating locals at cards and
Starting point is 00:40:40 checkers. Right. Checkers. Great. Checkers is if you have a photographic memory. Checker counting. Checker counting is, makes so much sense. Very handy.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Around this time, HL meets a very pretty girl in town named Matty Bunker. Okay. He's going to bunk her, you know what I mean? Don't understand. He pursued her for months, but while she was attracted to him, she continued to play hard to get on the advice of her father, who wasn't sure he trusted the Yankee gambler.
Starting point is 00:41:12 He's right. That's good advice. It is good advice. That is good advice. Eventually, HL gets tired of waiting for Maddie and he decides to marry her sister, a school teacher named Linda. It's called the Stop Making Me Wait. Which one is not as pretty?
Starting point is 00:41:27 Bang! Honestly, that is quite a power move. Boy, you're really playing hard to get. Is it working? I married your sister yesterday. Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:39 She's not as pretty or as young as Maddie. Who's saying that? Well, I don't know. The guy, whoever wrote this down was like, she's a six. She, she ain't no, she ain't no Maddie. Maddie was hot. Her sister was a five, but she'd give it up. I'm going for your ugly sister. Boom. So, uh, she's not as young, but she's,
Starting point is 00:42:00 she's also getting too old to play hard to get. You know, she's, she's getting close to that last year, but it hurt my hip. She's in the off-fuck-it stage of courtship. That's where you want to get them. Quitters. I'm looking for a woman with low standards. I'm looking for a quitter. You ready to give up yet, ugly one?
Starting point is 00:42:22 In 1914, two. It's like the limping gazelle. That'll be an easy one. In 1914, two wonderful things happened in HL's life. He marries Lida Lyda, L-Y-D-A, Lida, L-Y-D-A, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, Lida, is that a name? Lida? This is a long time ago. So he marries Lida. The levy does not overflow and he makes a profit from his cotton crop. Okay. Big year.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Okay. There was some more good luck. What about the corn part? Well, I don't know. Still cutworms? I think he just planted cotton this time. Oh, okay. And then World War... Oh yeah, that's probably how he got over the cutworms,
Starting point is 00:43:09 because the cutworms were probably like, cotton? The cutworms despised cotton, which is why they weren't eat that. H.L.'s made another wise decision. His sister put out quite quickly. she's one of the quickest to put out on planet earth fuck me hey chill fuck me I don't I don't think I should be watching this anymore I was watching the cupboards. Oh, it's good. Oh gosh.
Starting point is 00:43:46 There's an old English guy. Oh, I'd rather not see this. Oh gosh. He's locking eyes on me. I'm watching the insertion. Someone move me. Please have me moved. Oh gosh.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Oh God, it's hot. I don't want to watch him do this. Oh gosh. Oh gosh. Why am I facing from back? The old man is winking. I don't want to watch his balls slapping her anymore. Please. Oh, no. Oh Jesus Christ. Oh gosh. Oh, it was like watching a cutworm. I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:20 I don't know if that was a classic bit or people turn it off. Yeah, those. We'll find out. David Attenborough watching like porn is a great one. Yeah. And it seems like this school teachers a bit too old for him. But this stepmother had another idea for the boy. That can be a great David Attenborough watching porn.
Starting point is 00:44:50 And she's decided to go reverse cowgirl. That's something that he's just not going to be able to manage. What do you think that 15 minutes into your act when you're going to do that? By the way, that is so hacky that it would murder. What do you think that 15 minutes into your act, when are you going to do that? Ha ha ha ha ha. By the way, that is so hacky that it would murder. Oh, it would kill. You guys ever wonder what David Attenborough watching porn is like?
Starting point is 00:45:12 Oh gosh, this Reuter doesn't seem to understand that she doesn't have to do that to close the offer. Okay, so World War II breaks out, the price of cotton shoots up. World War II? World War I, sorry. The price of cotton shoots up to make uniforms and stuff. And HL has been selling it at $30 a bill, but now it's $600 a bill.
Starting point is 00:45:39 So he's enjoying capital. War profiteering. Yeah, right. Farmland, where one could grow cotton, also spikes in price, and HL begins gambling in land speculation. So he's buying up land with cash. Here we go. Use bank loans. It's been dicey, but now I think I know which way we're going.
Starting point is 00:45:57 He's turning it around. He's selling at a higher price. So he's just making money. In addition to land speculation, he gets involved in buying future contracts for cotton. His profits climb as the price of cotton, so he's just fucking rolling. So he's a piece of shit. So he's doing well. And not only is he raking in money, but Lida gave birth to a healthy daughter, Margaret.
Starting point is 00:46:24 I don't want to see this. In 1915. OK. And a son, Haraldson Lafayette Hunt. OK. What's the third one? The third. It's just the third.
Starting point is 00:46:34 Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. His name was, the nickname was Hassy. OK. Two years later, so 1915 girl, 1917 boy. So they're happy, happy little family. Although Leida doesn't like that HL keeps gambling
Starting point is 00:46:52 at the planters club when he said he'd stop gambling when they got married. But he keeps gambling. What does he mean to stop? I mean he's got shitloads of money. It's immoral. Oh, that's what it is. So when the US joined World War I,
Starting point is 00:47:09 HL was saved from the draft because he's a farmer. And rich as shit. He's 28 at that point. So he stays home and keeps profiting from the war as, you know, as they do. Price of cotton and land go up. He teams up with other men to buy huge tracts of land in Louisiana Delta. And this business brings them to New Orleans a lot. Okay, uh oh. And so he's speculating by day and playing with the nation's best poker players at night
Starting point is 00:47:36 in different clubs and brothels. He once wins $10,000 in a single evening. So like 200 grand. And he begins to leave Lydia Margaret and Hasse alone for longer and longer stretches. Lida, yeah. Lida. HL's luck starts to run out in 1920.
Starting point is 00:47:56 A piece, the price of land takes a pretty quick downward turn. Okay. At first he keeps buying up as much land as he can, convincing it's just a dip in the market. But it's not. Okay. And he sells entire stock of cotton, convinced that the price of cotton would also fall with the land. It blows up. And he also tries to take advantage of this by taking a short position on cotton futures.
Starting point is 00:48:37 But those are terrible moves because the price of cotton just keeps going up. So he loses everything. Right. His cash loses everything. Right. His cash is gone. Wow. The banks repossessed the land he was trying to sell. Wow. Lydia.
Starting point is 00:48:53 Lyda. Lyda is furious with him. She was just like, why can't you just be happy with what we have? Why do you keep gambling and speculating? Oh, imagine. Did you hear that Rogan argument about Musk? Where he was like, dude, he has $400 billion. Like he doesn't need any more money. Yes. So it doesn't make sense. It's at a hundred million or a hundred billion or 200 billion. How do you not just go, okay, Joe, so he should have been done at 10, right?
Starting point is 00:49:20 Yeah. 10 billion. Then that's what. Where's your argument? Yes. What is the line for this? Dude, trust me. doesn't need any more money Yeah, and he's he's the smartest guy. Are you just jealous? Yeah Alright blow by the way, I'm available to do the yeah, we can be on we would love to That's one of the greatest things ever is that he used to follow me. He stopped. Well, I told the mayor I tweeted out the Marin story. Oh you did. Yeah if you don't if you haven't said this I probably have but Well, I told the mayor, I tweeted out the Marin story. Oh, you did. Yeah. If you don't, if you haven't said this, I probably have.
Starting point is 00:49:47 But we when we when I was writing on Marin, we were going to have Rogan on and and he and the guys writing the script went through his old like interviews and stuff to take out things he said. So it would be like his opinions in the script and literally taking actual things he said and so it would be like his opinions in the script and literally taking actual things he said and put them in the script so that he'd like it. And then he got the script and he was like, why are you making me look like a fucking idiot? And he got all
Starting point is 00:50:15 mad. Which is, which is incriminating. However, I will say there are things I've said on this show that people that people will be like, and I'm like, what? I'm like, no, I didn't. Oh yeah, you were like, you said something. I was like, yeah, that's tough. Benjamin Harrison. Benjamin Harrison?
Starting point is 00:50:35 Benjamin. Franklin? Yeah. Well, that one is like, that one I know I said. I'll never forget saying that one and someone every two days reminds me I said that one. Yeah. Okay. So, to get out of this financial hole they're in, HL says he wants to move to El Dorado,
Starting point is 00:50:55 Arkansas where he hears that there's an oil boom going on. Okay. And Lydia, oh now I'm all- Lida. Lida resists. And Lydia, oh now I'm all fucked. Lyda. Lyda resists. Her family, everyone she know, they're all in Lake Village. They're her sources for support.
Starting point is 00:51:14 And you know, whatever, when he's gone, right, if she moves there, he goes away and then she's just alone. Yep. Also, HL doesn't know anything about oil. Like he's just like, oil. Like he's just like oil. Like he has no fucking clue. So they come to an agreement that he would go to El Dorado and if things look good, he would send for her and the kids. Okay. So he has to borrow. He has no money. He has to borrow $50 to go. Wow. And he arrives in El Dorado in March, 1921 and the town is so full of men hoping
Starting point is 00:51:46 to strike it rich that hotels make money by not only renting rooms, but renting out chairs and bits of floor in the lobby for people to sleep on. Oh shit. So you're not going to make any money. Like if everyone's doing it, you're not going to be. What is it? What's, what's the chair cost for $700 for a chair? Yeah, it's fine. But that's like your it's like a room like you live there. What's that area floor over there that's open? What is that going to be? That is $800 because the floors more than the chair.
Starting point is 00:52:18 You get to lay down on that. How much to sleep under the desk here? What if I stood up in that corner there? What would that cost? Oh, that's 300. I can't look at anybody. What if I put my head on the curb where your property line starts outside a little bit? That's $200.
Starting point is 00:52:41 That's pretty appealing. There's ants. Is there breakfast included? No, no breakfast. They throw the chamber pots out. Jesus Christ, I'm trying to think of what's worse. How much to sleep in the outhouse or the toilet? Yeah, you got to clean it and then you can stay there for free, but you got to clean it. sleep in the outhouse or the toilet. The blood. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:05 You got to clean it and then you can, you can stay there for free, but you got to clean it. I'll do the Ants Curb. So to make some quick cash, HL goes up to the owners of one of the hotels and he says, I'll set up a poker game and cut you in on the profits. So the owner agrees and he starts running a successful poker game. And then it gets so popular that he moves it out of the hotel and sets up his own game in a pool hall, keeping all the profit for himself.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Okay. And he advertises his game as the most honest in El Dorado. Sure. So after three months, one of the men in his poker game is out of money and has to give HL the lease to an acre of land instead of cash. There we go. We are going.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Oil. HL's very excited that he finally has some land to drill on, but now he needs to raise 10,000 for the drilling equipment. That should not be hard. No. He decides to run back to Lake Village to convince the locals to foot the bill. So he's going to talk the locals into...
Starting point is 00:54:18 Okay. What is the pitch that will... We'll strike it rich. Okay. Yeah Light is thrilled to see him honey but disappointed when he just As soon as he gets the money he takes off. Yeah. Oh Good. I thought something else was gonna happen
Starting point is 00:54:39 Everyone wants to be part of the oil boom at this point, right oils like the thing. Yeah, so HL goes back to El Dorado. He's got his drilling equipment. He starts to drill. And sure enough, after a few weeks, a huge geyser of oil spurts up. Huge. He is obviously thrilled.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Yes. But then the gush slows down and sputters and stops. Because neighboring oil wells all around HLs are producing gallons upon gallons of oils, so there's oil there. He just wasn't invested in a powerful enough rig. He needs to be able to get the oil out faster so it doesn't stop up.
Starting point is 00:55:18 So back to the gambling dens. All summer he gambles, doesn't really visit his family until he has enough money for a better rig. Back to the gambling dens. All summer he gambles, doesn't really visit his family until he has enough money for a better rig. And then he buys another acre of land. And this time, when he strikes oil, it keeps flowing. So when his investors heard about the well, they hand him more cash for a second well. And this one produces. And so now HL has two wells. They're bringing up 10,000 barrels of oil a day. Oh my god. That's crazy. Yeah. And now he wants a third. Oh, fuck. Easy to get investors obviously, because he's hit two and pretty soon he has three oil wells,
Starting point is 00:56:01 Gush and oil. It's time for him to send for his family, right? He said if I... Yeah, if he hits it, yep. So now, Lida Margaret and Hasse join him in El Dorado. Okay. He's now incredibly rich. Sure. This time with oil money, and it shows no sign of slowing down, but he's not happy to just down, but he's not happy to just enjoy the wealth with his family. So after Lydie gives birth to their third kid, Caroline, HL starts going out on the
Starting point is 00:56:33 road more to establish new oil wells around the area and even starting a casino. Okay. He'd walk around in a white suit with a cigar. Which is the law. Yeah. If you're an oil man. You gotta wear a white suit. You have to be KFC.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Yep. So he's got a white suit and he's smoking a cigar and he would give tips to less experienced gamblers. He also gets a reputation. I love him giving, I mean he's got a photographic record. Just remember every card you see. Remember every card. He also gets a reputation for not only a great gambler and honest, but a man who has an eye
Starting point is 00:57:20 for the ladies, other than the wife lady. Sure. So she's begging him to spend more time at home. Right. And he's pulling away more. Right. He, he's not in love with her anymore. Right. And he wants to have.
Starting point is 00:57:38 It's good thing you have that third kid. But he wants her to have his children as many kids as possible. No. Well, okay. I'll jump in. I think it's you. The ideal role is to have one for squirting the kids out and then one for your pleasure. Yeah. I mean, squirting is a, it's not a great term. Well, but I mean, we have to be clinical about this sort of stuff. I don't think that's clinical, you know what I mean? Here, let me do it for you like this.
Starting point is 00:58:10 It's important to have one that will squirt out the babies and another who will do doggy. Yeah, that's good. See? Yeah. Get one for the hummer. Get one for the hummer and one for the Summer. As I've always said.
Starting point is 00:58:29 So he wants to keep Lyda and keep cranking up babies with her, but that's all he wants from her essentially, which is great. Obviously disgraceful. And what is her awareness of this arrangement? Interesting. Well, let me just say first that he thinks he has a genius gene and the world has to have as many copies of him as possible. If you can imagine somebody in having 13 kids because they just feel like we're there's
Starting point is 00:58:58 a population issue in this country or the world. So you know, the idea is that you have to you really just have to put as many kids as you can out as possible. I work in memes. So, he gives Light of the best of everything and he gets her pregnant regularly and he feels like that's his job, like he's done his job, but he doesn't need to do anything else.
Starting point is 00:59:21 So, what ends up happening is that his kids really don't know him that much, like he's never there. Well, that's an issue. And things get worse between Lida and HL when their fourth child who is also named Lida. X. Oh. Is born but then dies a month later. Okay.
Starting point is 00:59:40 From asphyxiation when one of her siblings played with the gas jets in their house. The gas jets? What are gas jets? Gas jets like you, it's gas like, but. Oh, so one of them just turned the gas on. Yeah, turned the gas on. And then it just like fucking started to gas. So she get, so one of them gassed her sister.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Yeah, you kill your, yeah. Through gas. Yeah, you kill your sister, yeah. Through gas. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I gotta respond to that boy. So the kid dies and now she's very upset, Lyda. She's, you know, he's not there. She's got a dead child.
Starting point is 01:00:22 She sinks into depression. He's not there. She's got a dead child. She sinks into depression. He's getting sick of family life just in the little, little time he goes there. Well, that's amazing. And he's always looking for the next big thing. So he decides he has to do something on his own again. And he builds-
Starting point is 01:00:40 He's really drilling on land and then drilling the wife. And he's just like, these are two angles. So he builds a huge new house in a really nice area of town for Lyda and the kids. And then- Isn't it beautiful, Lyda? It's got seven rooms, six bathrooms, and I'll never be here.
Starting point is 01:01:00 And this is the porkin' room. And this room you go to every once every nine months when I come to finish When I come to come when I come to come So he goes to light up and he tells her he wants to take her on a second honeymoon This is like some army hammer shit to New York City, okay, and she's thrilled obviously, yeah And He seems to want to spend time with her right so Okay. And she's thrilled, obviously. Yeah. And he seems to want to spend time with her, right? So they drop the kids off with their family and they take the tram to New York City and
Starting point is 01:01:32 he makes sure she has the best time. And they go to fancy restaurants and they see- I'm very worried about the end of this. They see Broadway musicals. They like the Broadway musicals so much that he's like, I'm going to write some. I'm going to write some musicals. This is classic. She's so happy to be there.
Starting point is 01:01:49 Her husband's back. And then they get back to El Dorado and HL goes to light and says, look, I want to go away for a while. And I'm going to Florida. I don't know how long I'll be there. I'm going to check out. There's a real estate boom going on. She's pregnant because a yeah, they saw guys and dolls.
Starting point is 01:02:18 She's shocked. Yes, they just did this. We just had the best time. Well, we had the best time because I knew that I'd be leaving at the end. Don't you understand? Part of what made it delightful was that I was going to be done. Yeah. And he's like, I'm going to Florida without you and the kids.
Starting point is 01:02:31 You stay here. In this huge house. You stay pregnant. Stay pregnant. Here. Away from me. Squirt while I'm gone. The best way you're pregnant is not near me.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Yeah. I'm allergic to you when you're in that phase. He's pretty firm about this. He's like, I showed you a great time in New York. I got you a new beautiful house. That's all you could ever want. And he's like, I'll bring the family over if this is a good business thing that works out and then a week later he leaves.
Starting point is 01:03:00 Okay. That's just, that's how it's got to be. So the real estate, there is a real estate boom in Florida. New cities like Fort Lauderdale in Miami and Orlando are popping up. There's a lot of pretty canals and beautiful suburbs. Sure. It lands being sold like crazy, often without people even seeing it. So he goes to Tampa and starts looking for land to buy. And at one real estate office, he sees this beautiful woman and he introduces himself as Major Franklin Hunt. What?
Starting point is 01:03:35 Major? He used the name Franklin when he was picking up women. Why Major? Which just sounds better. You're allowed to do that? Yeah, why not? It's Dolan Valor. Well, is it like major or what?
Starting point is 01:03:46 I mean, I don't know. Salvation Army? Can I do that? Yeah. Major Gareth, how are you? Yeah, that's right. So the woman's name is Frania Tai. Frania?
Starting point is 01:03:59 Frania. I don't know. How do you spell it? F-R-A-N-I-A. Frania. Frania. Frania. Frania. And they start talking and she takes him to look at some property and then they start dating and he doesn't reveal-
Starting point is 01:04:17 This isn't how real estate is supposed to work. He doesn't reveal the Frania that he has the wife and kids. Right. No, it'll be a big turnoff Yeah, you don't want that And he feels like he has a bud to new lease on life down here like it's all it's like starting over right? Well, he doesn't have a Florida wife. Yeah, it's different and he starts making it look look of lucrative real estate deals Hot she's giving him insider knowledge of the the area., he's insider. And they fall in love. Great.
Starting point is 01:04:46 And he's incredibly happy. HL is happy. Dave, it's a great story for him. It's just the other part. That's that nagging reality. Back there. That's nagging. Shortly after they start dating, he proposes.
Starting point is 01:05:02 She accepts. She's so happy. It's gotta be, why do this to yourself? He proposes. She accepts. She's so happy. I gotta be. Why do this to yourself? There's emails. I won't reply to him. I'm like, buddy, I am losing my shit.
Starting point is 01:05:12 Men are starting a second marriage. They're married in November in 1925. They go on a six week honeymoon along the coast of Florida. Light is like, how great is this? It's great. I'm so happy. Are you against love? No, I'm not. But I do not believe in pollinating two flowers at the same time. After the honeymoon, however, disaster strikes Florida. A huge hurricane tears through major
Starting point is 01:05:43 cities, killing hundreds of people and making 50,000 homeless. There's yachts in the middle of downtown Miami. Oh, beautiful. Seeing the real estate market in shambles, HL heads back to El Dorado. He tells Frania that he'll call for her when he's all set up. See, this is what you got to do. You've got to leave.
Starting point is 01:06:04 You got to just make sure they understand they're state-based. That's right. They can't be coming to your other state. Yeah. Yeah, then you could have a few. Also, Light is about to give birth. Oh, yeah, got to get back for that. And so he, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:17 I came back for the squirting. HL comes home to his family, but they're not that welcoming for some reason? Well, Dave, you know how they are. Yeah. Emotional. Yeah, they're very like they're touchy. They're sensitive. She's obviously incredibly pregnant. She's still upset that he just bailed after their second honeymoon.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Why? His 10 year old daughter, Margaret resents him and because he's absent all the time. Eight year old Hasse who looks exactly like him, basically a stranger. Uh, he's brilliant Hasse, but a lot of people whisper there's something odd about him. Okay. And then three year old Caroline, she's the only one she's only like, she's happy to see. Yeah. So Lydia has their fifth baby, Nelson Bunker Hunt, called Bunker. After Fort.
Starting point is 01:07:10 OK. I don't know. I don't know what it's after. Bunker. So that's February 1926. A few weeks later, 37-year-old HL sets Frannia up at home 60 miles away in Shreveport, Louisiana. Oh shit.
Starting point is 01:07:26 Using the name Franklin Hunt. Oh my God. Now both families are settled and he turns his attention back to business. You really had like you, you do have to have a, a fucked up mind. Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. This is psychopath. It's fucked up to be like, totally. Yeah. Yeah, this is psychopathic. It's fucked up to be like,
Starting point is 01:07:47 all right, they're settled. Now back to work. Hopefully they don't meet. So now he forms the two oil companies, HL Hunt Incorporated and the Tenable Oil Company. I like that he's got, you know, he's like one for each wife. And that is the end of part one. Wow. Part one of three parts. Oh, fuck. Okay. Are you where we're sitting?
Starting point is 01:08:12 No, we're I'm like the setup is good. An oilman. So we just go right into the next one. No, let's pay. We're gonna pay. Okay. And then we'll then we'll come back on each other. Yep. Patreon. Oh, I should do the sources. Do that. I'll go. I'll go get the pee ready for you. Okay. That's great. As I said before, this is written by Brittany Cohen Brown. Kingdom, the story of the Hunt family of Texas by Jerome Tussil. Texas Rich, the Hunt dynasty from the early oil days to the silver crash, oops, by Harry Hunt. Harry Hurt.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Articles, the Hunt brothers, how two billionaires, I don't want to say that, it hasn't happened yet. HL Hunt's Long Goodbye in Texas Monthly by Bill Porterfield. Nelson Bunn. I can't read that one yet. Yeah, okay, those come later. Hey, Dollop fans. I know you love the Dollop.
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