The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 672 - H.L. Hunt - Part Two

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine very rich guy HL Hunt. Part two of three SOURCES TOUR DATES OFFICIAL MERCH   Nutrafol - Code: TheDollop Litter Robot Viia - Code: Dollop

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February 1926. You hear about Lord J-Town. So, when we just left H.L. Hunt, he has two wives living six to miles apart from each other. One wife has a family. The other wife doesn't know he has a family. The new wife is just the sexy, hot fucking situation. But he doesn't neither know about the other. That's right.

That's cool. He started two oil companies called HL Hunt Incorporated and the Tenable Oil Company. Tenable Oil Company. Tenable. He creates a team of some of the best minds in the oil industry. And all major decisions go through him though. Sure. He made sure to expand his operations to Louisiana, which gave him a good excuse to keep visiting Frania.

Sure. Wife too. Less than a year after Lyda gave birth to Bunker, Frania gives birth to a little boy named Howard. Oh my God. So much. The thing is, it's just like imagine having two companies. I guess if you don't care about the families, it's not exhausting. Like no, I think it is. I think it, I think regardless it is, I think it's, I think the, the thing we or most people would think about is the mental burden. But even the logistical burden is massive.

The logistical burden is a nightmare. Nuts. I watched this show once about Mormons with like three wives and three families. And it was, I mean, everybody lost. All the kids didn't have enough attention from their father. All the wives were pissed and jealous. But the husband would show up and he would just, it would be the ground floor.

Everybody would wanna catch up with him. And he was just like, he went from hell to hell to hell. Which I guess is the Mormon philosophy is why you go through this here. Because then whatever comes after this is awesome. Yeah. Just looking forward to death. Yeah. Like you, that Mormon deathbed, you're like, thank God. Polygamy is crazy. Not that they're all polygamists. So he's tired all the time, I assume. Yeah. Two years later, Frannia has another baby, Haroldena.

I think you flipped Freudian and I think that's true too. Wait, Frannia had another child named Frannia? No, Frannia had a baby named Haroldena. Oh my, Haroldena. I mean, how much do you love yourself? Now you're, you're, you're, yeah, you're, you're getting, you're adding it. You're like, you're like doing the joke version of your name. Haroldina. Beautiful. Oh God. So four months after that, let me go. Oh my God. Stop letting gives birth to William Herbert, who was their fifth kids between

the two of them. So he's got seven kids. You know the oil business every now and then you get the wells tapped. You got to keep gushing. Stop. Oh, he's gushing. God damn it. H.O. splits his time between the two homes.

He's also going off on long business trips and holidays to big time casinos with his buddies. So he's living the life. Well, he's got he's got so much money that he's he's got enough money to not be a human. Neither Lida or Frania felt like HL was ever coming home and though Lida had gotten used to just being neglected, Franny is still getting upset. She hasn't broken. She hasn't been broken yet. Sure. To her spirit and her joy. This is also a sister wives thing. Yeah. The first one is just sort of like becomes dead. Yeah. Yeah. The new one is like, this is tough. The dead one's like, this is it. And then the third one's like, I'm fresh and new. Yeah. And then the second one's like, and now I'm the first one. Ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha. HL still seems to only stay in either home long enough to impregnate one of the women and then takes off. Jesus Christ. So he's looking for his next big project, and he finds it in Texas. OK. After scouting around a bit, he makes contact with a man the papers were calling

the daddy of the Rusk County oil field. Mm-mm. I love a daddy. I love a daddy. Daddy. Hey, daddy. His name is Columbia's Marion Joyner and he's nicknamed Dad.

Hey, Dad. Weird, it's weird. It just seems very It just seems very good for you to say again. No it doesn't because I'm scared that you'll kill him. Say it again. Dad, what are you doing? Oh man. Well it's the joy. Check out the glasses so I can see that. That was just a joke for me. So dad is a 70 year old oil man who is famous for discovering the enormous East Texas oil field. Okay.

So despite dad's discovery, I hate that you get to call him and I'm gonna call him daddy if you keep it up. And the fact that he'd been the first to tap this money spitting resource, he was facing a myriad of lawsuits because he'd solicited too many buyers for interest in his Wells. Okay. So he so people aren't getting enough of a payout because he's gotten too many people to invest, right? Yeah. So people aren't getting enough of a payout because he's gotten too many people to invest, right?

Yeah. So under pressure from HL, who has insider knowledge that another one of Dad's Wells was about to strike oil, and because HL is charming, and he has constant assurances that Dad should give up his business and let HL deal with everything. So he's like, things are getting too hot for dad. And HL is basically rolling in with a charmer going, hey, man, I'll take this shit over for you. Like I can handle-

What's getting too hot for him? Well, there's two, all the lawsuits and all the like, it's too much. Okay. So dad sells the whole business to HL. Okay. And HL has just bought to what at the time was the largest known oil deposit in the United States and one of the largest in the world. Okay. He got in a really good deal.

So he leaned on Dad until he gave it up for 1.5 million. Wow. And then shortly after the deal was finalized, Dad would be offered 3.5 million by an oil company, but it was too late. Wow. So he's got a steel. He yeah, he worked. Yeah. So HL drills one well after another in the field. Every one of them is striking oil. He sinks roughly 900 oil wells in two years. Wow. Shit. I mean... Crazy.

Especially when you think about that none of that should be coming out of the ground because it's going to destroy the planet. Well, but they don't know that, to be fair. Not yet, but they will. Right, they have no clue. They will soon. Yeah, well, they will. Well, no, but in 1920, there were already news stories of guys.

It was just like a guy who was like, I don't know, seems kind of bad. Yeah, this doesn't seem good. It wasn't until like 50s, 60s where people were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're getting actual data. Yeah. 70s and 80s. Yeah. And I really, yeah. Yeah. So. But still that, you know, it still creates the monopolies you're still like You're still taking shit out of the ground it today, but this this is the beautiful This is when we were this was this was this was like oil smoking. Well, we're still doing it with just other stuff

We just we're just taking everything out of the planet and being well now it'll be fine Oh, I even even worse. Honestly, We're poisoning water for like no reason. Water's not that big of a deal. I agree. They have filters. I agree. Put that through some charcoal. No, I agree.

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Absolutely. So I don't know what people are freaking out. I was at the beach today and I don't know what is more depressing. When you see, I mean you've surfed so you know this, but when you see the amount that the tide brings in. It's crazy. And you just go, ooh. Wow, that's like, that's not people leaving that on the beach. That's the ocean. Yeah, the ocean's like,

and that's just the regular cycle of the ocean just being like, here's a Pepsi. I'm the ocean. Yeah, one of the things that servers do is you go to the beach, pick up three pieces of garbage, and then you go back to your, that's like a, they must be grabbing you all the time. So the show's over.

We'll try to get through this. So, um, he sinks 900 wells. they're all making money. Good for him. Now there's a depression. Stock market is in 829, but he's making tons of money. He's raking in the cash, there's no sign of it slowing down. Oil, there's so much oil that oil is just going to waste. There's just giant oil lakes that are evaporating.

Now, see, this I don't care for. This I don't care for. This idea of you're just being like, well, what are you going to do? Just toss it in a little ravine. I mean, that's what fracking is. That's what happens with fracking. I would argue fracking is even worse. Yeah, no, but I mean mean as far as like the waste.

Just useless waste. They just burn it off. They're like, brrr. Yeah. He set Frania up in Texas, so she's a little closer. She has another daughter, Helen, in 1930, so he has three kids with her, eight altogether. Oh my God. He also buys a mansion for Lyda and their kids in Tyler, Texas, close to his new business

headquarters. Wow. He's getting, Texas is big, but still. You got to have it all. It's close. Yeah. Lida soon gives birth to their sixth kid. Jesus Christ.

Lamar Hunt. So he's nine, Lamar Hunt. I've heard that name. Is that a Senator? It might be. It might be. It might be. That bells ringing. Yeah, yeah.

That sounds like senator. After dealing with hundreds of lawsuits from dads that he'd been faced with after buying him out, he wins every one. Okay. Wow. And he wins every one. Okay, wow. And he continues to expand. So that investment was huge, obviously. Yeah. That was a game changer.

His oil company just keeps drilling. Oh yeah, this is his dad. Yeah. Yep. So his oil company keeps drilling while his pipeline company sends his oil to the refineries and it begins trying to have a bit more influence over his employees personal lives because well as a boss as a boss you don't get to just go home and do things no no no do stuff

that I don't like I mean are you a team player? Speaking of team player, you guys are all going to form softball teams. Yep. You're talking to the listeners? No. Yes, the listeners. So I guess we didn't know how to bring this up. We need everybody who's- Well, let's do the soft intro.

We really appreciate all the support for the dollop over the years. We've decided we're going to split all of our listenership into softball teams and you're forced to join them if you're hearing this you are part of a softball team yeah we're just kind of figuring out the right districting and um and we're really excited so thank you for being a part of that and it's just kind of extension of this world and you listen to this show so you're going to play softball on behalf of it. And the, the, the league is called softballs. Yeah, it's called softballs and the S at the end is actually a Z and it's kind of fallen off the last L and it's called softballs and it's going to be a bit

goofy and, um, and we're going to enjoy it and you're going to do it and you're going to do it for free and you're going to do it because we tell you to do it. And if you're come, if you're sorry, if you're come, yeah, if you're come, we all are come like Dave's point is very basic right here. We're all come. Okay. We were all come. We're all a load out of our dad. Right. And, and then you came to us and now you're part of us and we own you a little bit. So, you know, you're all come. Yeah. You're all come. That's just, I just, I mean, I, that was maybe a zebra point, but. No, it's important though. I just want to... It's important to point out that we were all come. Yeah, I just want to put that out there.

We were all come. Yeah. And I'll tell you what. Yeah. I yelled that at my mom. Sure. It went bad. Now you're still breastfeeding, right?

I have to. Yeah. I'm the card shark. But that whale's not producing anymore so by the way the Benji thing every every show after the show yeah three or four people that really hit it hit it hard It is hard. I'm like, when people do it, I'm like, I can't actually fight off Benji and Gary. I'm afraid I'm not fighting Benji.

So he starts telling his employees, well, he forbids them from gambling and drinking. So which is what he does, which is, of. Yeah, of course. This is the preacher. Well, he's saying because there's depression on, that's unseemly. You shouldn't be doing that. He's saying that because he wants their money to be... No, there's a depression, so it just doesn't look good. So he doesn't like the optics. Yeah, the optics of his employees out gambling when there's a depression on is bad, so he

doesn't want that. And having fun with drinking. But HL and a few employees regularly do both at the office. Right. It's like it's a very similar to the Boris Johnson cheese part. Yes. So HL is spending more and more time. Some French laundry. Yeah. So he is spending more and more time away from his families.

While Lyda has accepted that's how things are, Franja is begging him to spend more time at home. Well, she's in the early Lyda phase. She hasn't broken yet. Yeah, right. Exactly, right. So much so that he gets annoyed with all this. Yeah.

Because it's fucking annoying. It is annoying. Yeah. It is annoying. I want to be out gambling and partying. And by the way, my advice, get a third. Who's making the money? Yeah, honestly.

Leave me alone. Yeah, bring in another one. Yeah. You're right. Do a third. So she's really annoyed. And he, because she's nagging so much, I'm not nagging, because she's nagging so much,

he's starting to drift away from her a little bit. It's too much. Well, it's a lot. Yeah. She's really, I mean, take a hint. I don't want to be in this like that. What made you think I wanted this level of commitment? The marriage, the kids, the house?

Jesus Christ, lady. Take a hint. They've been married for nine years now. Sure. She never six suspects that he has a whole other family. Dave, why would she? Well, and then one day there's a newspaper. Oh my God.

And in the newspaper is a photo of her husband Franklin who is now identified as H.L. Hunt with a 16 year old boy next to him who was called Hasse Hunt, his oldest son. And so she's like, what the fuck? Ah, man. You can see how that would be a problem. Yeah. But it's also the level of ego to kind of be like out and about. Like, it's just crazy to be living a life where your pictures taken, you're out and about, you're a socialite. It's probably the richest man in Texas, right? Right. And he's out there. So you're fucking going to be in the paper. At some point she's gonna find out for sure. So Franja at this point when she sees the paper, she's very pregnant with their fourth kid. Mm-hmm. So that is ten?

Yeah, his tenth. Their fourth. And so she's- Even hearing this, it's imagining Elon getting to 13. Well, he's not doing it naturally. No, not all of them. Some are. I think just one. Yeah. Rumor is, is that he- He's a flinger.

No, rumor is that- He puts it in his hand and he throws it. No. He's called slingshotting. No. Yeah, he does. Rumor is that he had tried to get a penis extender surgery and his penis is ruined. He tried to get a penis enlargement surgery?

The rumor is that his penis is broken. So it wasn't Elon? So it gets hard like this now. Like sideways. And it hurts. So that's the rumor. Oh, man. We're all dying because of it.

We're all dying because of a little dick. It's always a little dick. It is. It's always a dick problem. OK, so Freddie's obviously devastated when she sees the picture. And then she gives birth to their son, Hugh. Hugh G. Mistake.

And then she takes off. OK. And she leaves. She goes to New York with her four kids and HL promises to pay for everything. Housing upkeep everything. She confronted him. I think she must have. Right. Yeah. She had to. She's like, I'm going to New York. Yeah. You're a fucker. So to ward off any future lawsuits from her, which is the main concern, not the emotion. That That's right. Thank you. Where am I at legally? In the money. What's one of the money? And she wants to ensure that her kids get their fair share of the wealth. So he creates trusts for each of his six children with Lydia, Lyda, sorry, and those trusts, each child receives shares of HL's oil and pipeline companies, keeping them safe from his children with Frania. Okay, wait. So what he's doing is he's worried about, Lyda has sort of died internally.

Lyda's a so he's now like I want to make sure those kids are okay because Frania might actually come after all the come after everyone and take away their their yeah basically. So according to Frania HL tried to make her sign a document that said she was never married to him to avoid being revealed as a bigamist. I do that. I would do that on the knee like a proposal.

I did that on the first date. I would know I would at this point. You look you're way behind. Okay. Yeah. So now what you do is you drop down and you go, well, you make me the most relieved man in the world and sign a document that says that you don't really, that you knew I was a bigamist?

I will get over here. Um, okay. So for Lida, who it sounds like found out around the same time, right? Things are frostier than normal. She's not speaking to him directly anymore. And she instead would give her daughter messages to give him. I like that. Which is how the best way to raise kids.

I like that. That's the best way to raise kids. I like that. Yeah. I like that. You'll find that Dr. Spock always says that. If the parents aren't talking, have the children bring messages back and forth. Yeah. So does that. You'll find that Dr. Spock always says that if the parents aren't talking have the children Bring messages back and forth. Yeah, so does Dr. Oz. It's healthy. Absolutely. Yeah, give them something to do. Yeah, it's great. Yeah

So both So they stopped calling the the hunt and and Lida they stopped calling each other by their first names and they start using Mr. or Mrs. Hunt from now on. I love that she's keeping his name for this. Right? Yeah. It's like you would go, you know what I mean? You'd be like, I'll be Mrs. Hunt. There's more ownership over you. So this is hard on the family. What part, what aspect of this is? Mostly, it's most hard on Hasee. Because remember, Hasee's not right.

Remember he was the kid that wasn't right? Yeah, right. He's the oldest. The one in the paper. I think he probably was the one in the paper, yeah. So he is really desperate to please his dad, who doesn't really take any notice of him. Other than to tell him he can't do certain things, like play football.

Right. HL had heard it was rough on the kidneys, so he wouldn't let Hasee play football. Now, kidneys is the big part. Kidneys is... 75% of football players' kidneys explode in high school. Yeah, that's why they make them wear that guardian cap over their sides. Yeah, the kidney cap. An extremely intelligent boy who some people swore had a sixth sense.

Hasse would often lose control and storm to the house in a violent rage, screaming and smashing things. Now, let me ask you this because we're just a couple of guys sitting in a little room. Now, let me ask you this, because we're just a couple of guys sitting in a little room. You think that this sort of... The fact that his dad was never around, do you think that had anything to do with this sort of violence? No, why would that have anything to do with it? I just wonder if he's missing the fraternal love and, you know, I mean, he's...

And it's not like it's just he's an only child and his mother raises him. I mean, he has many other siblings and he's the eldest. So he's probably feeling each birth that, you know, the love is getting weaker and weaker and watered down more and more from, do you think that that nurture had anything to do or lack thereof? You look like a guy in a band in a 90s documentary about your band.

That's what you look like. I remember when we were doing the episode on the hunts and it was like quite difficult for me at the time. I was on a lot of H myself. You want these off? What movies that from? That's a movie. The jerk, the jerk, right? Okay. So this story reminds me a little, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So by the time has he's 17, his rage is now focused completely on HL. As it should be.

Yeah. So they start having fights, like physical fights. Yeah, that's great. By the way, you know this. It's great to beat up your dad. Yeah, fuck yeah. Hasee is, they're pretty much the same size at that point. And he's a younger version.

Yeah, I think Finn's like all buffed now. Will you fight him? No, I think he could. Will you fight him? Yes, I will, if you put it that way. That's my guy. Eventually, despite Lida begging him not to, HL sent Hasee away to a military academy

where he would learn discipline. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because he's a fucking punk. Absolutely. Because, oh, my daddy was in there. Well, that's where he learned to love and respect his dad. So when Hasse comes back, HL decide to now see Hasse, see if he can do well in the business.

And he gives him a job at his Penrod drilling company. That's what you do. Penrod, sure. So Hasse was supposed to find local oil companies and offer them access to Penrod's drilling facilities for a fee. So he hits the ground running, and soon he has a meeting with a company and he seals the deal. Bam. Okay. Pretty good. Fucking nailing it. Nice. But that's not what should have happened. Hasse is undermined and behind his back HL calls the oil company that he made the deal with and says the deal's off.

Because the offer Hasse had accepted was too low. It's embarrassing. So now Hasse is furious, goes into one of his, maybe the worst rage he's ever had. Okay. And this time he does it in front of everyone at the office. He's an asshole.

He's what we call a musk. Remember the Musk brothers would fight in the office all the time. Oh, stop. That was just because one of them tried to get his dick made bigger and it went wrong. Can you imagine waking up from a penis surgery that didn't work right? Like, like, he's like, Oh, how did it go? Well, um, look, the you seen the movie Sideways? We were trying to go a lot bigger, and I told you there might be complications.

The rod that we were putting in there actually, I think it damaged a lot of the nerves. So how much bigger is it? It's... Not as big? Did it not work at all? It's it's it's not as big? Did it not work at all? It's it's it's it's here's what it is. It's am I am I gonna be I mean it's five inches so so so we were going for eight and I want let me finish talking before you you jump in here so um imagine if you put uh So, imagine if you put a big thermometer inside of a hot dog. Okay.

Go on. And when you put the thermometer in, the thermometer moved around a lot. Okay. And so it's a filet over a hot dog now. So it's sort of splayed. Like two canoes glued together. Like a cagloo. And neither can go on water. What is that? You saying they can't get wet? Well, incidentally, it shouldn't. but also it's going to be a little... That was the whole point.

Yeah. No, I know. We were saying this during it. The whole blueprint got jacked up. So it is bigger. Sideways. Wider and sideways. So it's like a mushroom.

It's like if a weather vane fucked a mushroom. Oh my God, that doesn't make sense. I know. And then you see it and you go, that is what it is. Yeah, we came up with a bunch of pitches for what it might actually be. Um, I, did you think about fixing it instead? We tried. It just made it worse. So it's kind of like, um, what do we say? Like if a compass banged an elbow, that doesn't make sense. I know. But when you see it, you're going to go, Oh, okay. It's like if a, a ruined pool noodle had a helmet, that doesn't make sense. I know. Okay. But then you'll see it, you're going to go, Oh, okay. It's like if a ruined pool noodle had a helmet,

that doesn't make sense. I know. Okay. But then you'll see it. You'll go, Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's a lot like that. Like, um, imagine if, uh, if a dumbbell fell on a Twinkie that, that makes sense. Okay. It's a lot like that. That's terrible. Yeah, no, it is crazy. It is crazy. I feel like a doctor shouldn't use crazy as a word. We shot for the moon and we hit the neighbor's yard. Okay.

Okay? Anyway, Elon, I'm sure you won't be compensating for this in any way going forward. So HL can't have Hasee flipping out in the office and he thinks, well, college will calm him down. Keep sending him places. So he goes to the University of Texas. Okay. But that doesn't go well either sure

Has he he's very smart. Mm-hmm, but he Doesn't put any of the brain power towards passing classes. Mm-hmm He spends his time building his own radio transmitter and then figures out how to use it to either jam stations He doesn't like, or even to cut off live broadcasts and give a spin on the topic at hand. I like that a lot. I like that a lot. I actually like the kid. I like him.

I like the kid now. He also starts getting his college boy. He also starts gathering up oil leases on his own, completely on his own, and shows like a supernatural talent for finding oil. Okay. His instincts are so good that HL hires him again, this time he was supposed to go out and find oil wells for HL's companies.

Uh-huh, right, seems like a natural move. Not that he needs more wells, he doesn't need more oil wells. Right. He is richer than ever, he's getting richer by the day by October 1936. I remember this is the middle of the depression Yeah, he's worth an estimated 100 million. Oh my god in that money. It'd be 2 billion today 2 billion. Yeah Wow But he's not satisfied. No, of course not. Money was never his goal. It's the gambling, it's taking the chances. Yeah, right.

It's what he's drawn to. He once said, quote, money doesn't mean anything to me. It's only the way you keep score. But that is a... That's something I've heard other people say. And that is a... That is a... I'll join the Patreon to see what Dave just did.

I had to move the chair. But that really is a lot of it, but I also think that's an easy thing to say after you've made millions and millions of dollars where you go, the money, that really is the cutoff point. When you go, the money doesn't mean anything to me. That's when you go, that's where you stop. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

Now you're done. Yeah, well just stop doing it. 10 million. Well, go gamble then. Like actually take money and go gamble. Yeah, go do that. Go put it back in the system somehow. But he's always looking for new revenue streams.

Yes. He doesn't stop. He buys half an oil refinery, Parade, which he renames, Parade Gasoline. refinery parade, which he renamed, which he renames parade gasoline. And then that company becomes known in part for terrible disaster. Sure. So in March 18 in March 1937, there's this giant explosion in New London, Texas at a school.

Bodies are thrown through the air, parents run to the school, 294 dead, 280 are kids. So it's an incredibly violent explosion. Some kids were never found. incredibly violent explosion. Some kids were never found. The next day HL, Lyda and HL's associates visit the families of the dead kids and he would peel off bills out of his pocket and give it to the parents saying quote you'll probably be able to use this and they go to the next home and do the same thing. So he's just... That is...

Here's what's, that is so dark. And then what's even darker is that that is kind of the model. And then what's even darker is that it kind of isn't. Yeah. Yeah. So it turns out that the school's superintendent who had a kid killed in the blast was siphoning gas from HL's parade gasoline line so the school could have free gas. So, when people ask why are you opposed to capitalism, what do you say?

Well, I'd say 294 people will be alive because the gas should actually just be free and part of for it's a school. It's a school. So, the school should be getting cast for free. And to the point we were making in the first episode, it's like, if he didn't have this compulsion that he talked about, it's like a lot of that oil would have remained in the ground and wouldn't have just been barreled for no reason or lost for no reason. And potentially, there is a it would be interesting to see the world we lived in if we had found a way of using fossil fuels in

conjunction with Moderation and ways of offsetting real offsetting not just saying plant trees, right? Yeah. Yeah That'd be something Real offsetting, not just saying plant trees. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be something. A girl can dream, can't she? So this siphoning off of gas, it wasn't uncommon. It's called drinking milkshakes. It was dangerous, but not uncommon.

This type of gas called casing head gas was very volatile. And an undetected gas leak in the school's basement caused the blast. A lawsuit was brought against several parties, including Pro-Aid gasoline. But in the end, all were found. And not guilty. Hey. But the tragedy brought about the requirement that all natural gas used by the public must be injected with an odor to let people know there's a leak.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Go small. Yeah, and go with the goat. Yeah, the best of all time. Yeah. Hasse keeps finding more and more profitable profitable places to drill finding wells Not only for his dad, but for his new business as well. So he started his own

He started his own so he's getting oil wells for his dad and himself He's still got a temper sure Hasse is He's also volatile H Hassy sassy. Yeah. Co-workers would complain of there being two Hassies. One calm and one wild and you never knew which one you were gonna get. People say that about you on Twitter. Once he's walking on the street with a friend and Hasse picks up a rock and throws it through the window of a car dealership. I know it's Hasse.

Yeah, this is the good one, right? The calm one. Yeah, the cool chill one. But what, if there's a window and there's a rock, what are you supposed to do? Fair. He then goes in and buys a car. What are you supposed to do? Fair. He then goes in and buys a car. What? Those those people were very thrown at the dealership.

Jesus Christ, that's terrorism. I'd like to. He walks through the window. How are you? What model is that? What? OK. Shit. Um, well, welcome to Dunford Chevy. When he buys the car, he offers to pay for the window. Okay. Yeah, let me go talk to my supervisor just because this is a without question the first time this has happened.

But isn't this just a story of like rich people What a rich people yeah when you're when you have no you know, I mean again It's like when rich people have no boundaries and they what do they fear justice? Sorry, it's okay, but getting alerts from the boy who wants money, you know Sorry. It's okay, bud. You have a very similar relationship to him and Hatsy. Now I lost the episode.

For God's sake. something weird. I'm not ready for technology like this. Right. What's with the new iPad? What's the deal with it? Well, it all of a sudden split screens and moved everything. Can I do a quick impression of my mother every time she wants me to help her do something on her iPad? Oh, alright. Hold on. Let me look. Oh gosh, it's gone. Hang on a minute. Wait a minute. Hang on a minute. Um, Oh gosh. I've, I hang on a minute. Oh, I found, uh, Oh no. It's saying that I can't find. I don't, my email's broken. Hold on a minute. Wait a minute. Hang on a minute. That's it. That's it.

That's it? Yeah. I want more. Just because you're texting with your kid. I can do more. Oh, it's broken. There's nothing right. Everything's gone.

Where's the screen? Oh, the banking app's gone. Oh, I think my account's been hacked. Hang on a minute. No, there it is. I've got the file. Oh, oh, I've got it. Thank you. That sounds terrible. Every time. Okay, so Hasse would often disappear with friends drinking gambling for long stretches of time

But still his intuition aware to find oil is fucking amazing. What is that? I don't understand it I don't know. I mean, it's just like a hound. Yeah, man But he just probably like looks at the geology of a place and is like this really a skill Yeah, it's yeah, it's got to be a skill. Not a good one, but now it's awful in retrospect. So they would now go on business trips together once making a trip to trade oil for steel with Nazi Germany before the US entered World War Two after Germany invaded Poland. Yeah, whatever.

And sometimes you got to make money. Whatever it like is. Oh, sorry, was I making money and keeping people employed? That's called the rig heil. Yeah. Once the US did enter the war, HL was able to save Hasse from being sent overseas by getting him a place in the Army Corps of Engineers stationed in DC. Buddy, but you gotta understand the rich aren't supposed to go there to fight it.

They're supposed to just more want it to happen. Yeah. They're the reasons it happens. That's what you do. But you ever notice the rich are the only ones who have bone spurs? There's a reason. And anal cysts.

Yeah. Anal cysts. Who's got that one? That was Rush Limbaugh, I think. Oh, that's great. Unfortunately, I think. That's great. Unfortunately, I'll be unable to serve. I've got a big sister, my asshole. So while all these Americans are fighting in Europe, men from wealthy families are living

it up in DC, parting with the women that were left behind. They're fucking your women also. Man, oh man. Yeah. They're sending you to their fucking lies to die and they're banging your wife while you're gone. So Hasse is doing that until one day he seemed to have a break with reality. And he was found by staff in the hotel he was in,

ripping up his room and screaming that all of his father's enemies were after them and that he had been betrayed. Okay, so we've got a, maybe like schizophrenic on our hands or something. Yeah, he's definitely got some sort of, it sounds bipolar up until now. Right, it could be that, yeah. So he's quickly sent to a army hospital in Louisiana and he's babbling nonsense. And when HL comes to see him,

Hasse tries to attack him and has to be held back. Oh, and he would eventually be diagnosed with schizophrenia. Even though his oldest son is in a hospital, World War II is good for HL. These motherfuckers, man. The war has increased. By the way, it's not crazy that the rich want war to profiteer from. That's not crazy. What's crazy is how they make us seem like we hate the country if we don't blindly support it.

Yeah, it's always insane. This is the business model. The business model is shut the fuck up. Let us make our money. You hate this country. I have more in common with a dude who's a fucking worker in China than I do any rich person in America. Without question. That's why I joined Red Note. Yeah. So, so the war is increasing oil prices. He's making more money.

His only thing that upsets him is that he has to pay taxes. Don't tell me that's a religion. That's bullshit. In 1942, another great thing happens while walking around his new Shreveport office, he sees a beautiful blonde secretary. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, do not. What are you talking about? Jesus Christ. She's hot. This dude's got, he's a rig.

This guy's a rig. She's hot. Ruth Ray has movie star good looks. She's 19. Oh, for fuck. He's a spry, 53. Oh, yikes. Suni has given her an apartment in Treeport.

And within two years, she's given him two more children. It's a son named Ray and a daughter named June. That's 13, right? Or is that 12? Uh, I think that's 12. Oh, fuck. Oh my god. So he's happy with this new, hot woman in his life. What do you have to talk to with the 19-year-old when you're 53? Honest to god.

Honest to god was just thinking that. There's like nothing, and people are like, you don't talk to him. Yeah, you do, you're around him. You can't have sex 24 hours a day, you gotta fucking talk to people. What do you say? Yes, it's, there's, nobody wins.

No. She don't wanna talk to you, and you don't wanna talk to her. No. So, things aren't going. I mean, you're just dropping like a Beverly Hills 90210 reference. And she's like, Oh, I think my dad watched the remake of that. And you're like, remake?

This episode of MASH once. Yeah. Radar. Yeah, that's MASH. You mean like Fuller House? I think my older sister watched that show. No, no, no. Fuller House, the original. So things aren't going great back at home. Which one? Light it.

Okay. He has Hasse transferred to a new facility in Massachusetts. This hospital's offering cutting edge treatment for mental illness. Okay. And that's what he's told anyway. So there are a few treatments

they could give Hassy right away. It's nice. This is dark. Well, you know what year it is. Is it lobotomy time or are we talking? It's lobotomy time. Oh shit. So yes.

Don't take out the part of his brain that can find well areas. Do me a favor. Hey, what lobe can sense oil? Keep that lobe in there. So, yeah. So, they promise his violent rages will disappear. The beauty of the lobotomy, if we can tell you about this, is that it's going to remove a lot of the anger. Okay. Right away, you're going to notice a huge dip in that. Okay.

You're also going to notice a dip in a couple other areas. Oh. Conversationally, he's probably going to want to talk to you a little bit less. The oil area? I'm not sure exactly how this will hit the oil area. The oil area needs to be... Well, I will say this right off the bat. Gesturing and sort of generally making declarative statements of any kind is going to probably fade. Energy-wise... Will he be able to point at oil places? He's going to be able to point. I don't know if it's going to be in the direction of oil places.

I need the oil places. I understand. But the beauty of this surgery is the rages will be gone. I don't know if it's going to be in the direction of oil place. I need the oil place. I understand. But the beauty of this surgery is the rages will be gone. I don't care about that. I want more nocile stuff. Can you make him, can you make him more into finding oil? Yeah, no, again, we're basically we're, we don't know enough about the tech yet, but we do know that sitting and staring at birds

is gonna skyrocket. That's not gonna make me money at all. So that's gonna be big for you. Pointing will be a thing, food wise, it'll probably decrease a little bit. He's gonna be a big pudding and applesauce kid. Don't ever say pudding and applesauce to me again. Well, he's gonna be a big pudding and applesauce kid. Yeah. So say put an applesauce to me again. Well, he's gonna be a big putting an applesauce kid. So

that's gonna be a big thing. So this always sounds great. So HL jumps at the chance. It's a quick fix. It's gonna fix his son. He wants him back to work and and a better a better boy, a better boy. How fast until he's back on location. We're gonna put a spoon in there and mix it around. And that'll be great for business. So HL gives him the approval. He is subjected to electric shock therapy before they strap him down and sever part of his brain with a prefrontal lobotomy.

Oh my God. While HL had been assured that the procedure would basically cure Hasee, it is immediately apparent that it is not. In what way? After his surgery, Hasee took off his shoes, laced them together, and wore them around his neck, assuring everyone that this helped him see more clearly. Dave. It seems different.

Dave. He seems, I'm just saying he seems a little different. Dave. Also, Doctor, does that work? Dave. Is there an eye doctor in the building? Because this could be a new discovery. Oh my God.

And I feel like he's not going to be able to find oil. It's the darkest. This is the darkest. This is as dark as it gets. It's so bad. It's so bad that it's birthed out of greed. Yeah. He's doing this because he's like, well,

to help him still find that, he's just watching his kid probably go to a barren field with his shoes around his neck, like, right here is good. This is how I see birds. Do you think we should put a rig there, Hasse? But he doesn't care about Hasse the boy. He cares about Hasse the oil finder. No, anyone who cared about Hasse the boy would probably... I mean, again, it's a little...

I mean, a lot of people did it. Yeah, I was just gonna say, it's like it was... But even then, I mean, I would argue that they... I mean, they were sold a bill of goods that was not prepped. I mean, it sounded great. We're just gonna go in there and mix it around a bit. Yeah. It's a lot, like it's... I wonder if it was like the vaccine back then where they're like someone

to die. I mean, shouldn't have lobed them. He wouldn't eat meals at the kitchen table because he thought it would shock him. He's shocked. Who has he has he won't eat meals at the kitchen table because he thinks it'll shock him because he was shocked on a table. Oh my God. Whenever.

How's your macaroni boy? His rage just did subside. Eat your mashed potatoes Hassy. But now he has specific triggers that would cause episodes. So nothing got better. It isn't better at all. Whenever he was asked to make a decision, it often led to a meltdown.

Even if the decision was something as simple as answering the question, how are you feeling today? So he's not bad. I would actually say worse, much worse, much worse. You told me my boy be better. He's even better. Just don't ask him how he's doing. Well, he's not eating because he thinks it's going to shock him.

Yes, that might. Are you offering any other procedures? Are you offering any other procedures that can undo what you've done and make sure that he can still find oil? Well, okay He might know but there are birds that need to be found with the shoe technique. So there are new business opportunities. We actually thought maybe he could do a shoe endorsement thing.

The new Nike Nick. This poor guy. I mean, yeah. It is without question. It's just a tragic fucking life. His dad doesn't give a shit about him. It's tragic because for all the reasons, and I mean, this is like brain damage, obviously. And then he was already fucked up. And then on top of that, it's like the father is like an abandoned asshole.

Yes. Yes. This kid never had a fucking chance. Now, uh, he would also go into a rage episode. And he's schizophrenic. This is, this is amazing. He would also go into a rage. No, this is so crazy. He would also go into a rage episode if he could not have sex right away when he wanted to day or night This got so bad that HL ended up hiring a staff of women that worked around the clock tending to hasse's sexual needs While dressing up as nurses

I'm not getting this the worst thing that's ever been said on the show This is the worst thing that's been said on the show and I'm keeping in mind that a guy banged his dead wife for weeks What the fuck what the actual fuck? What what are you talking about? I don't know but we have a movie. No, we do not have a movie 20 years ago. I was like maybe so Tom Hanks read the script. He has two notes Dude, that is so fucking, that is. I just. That is so beyond.

I just. A crew of women whenever he would just get violent for sex. I just, it's just like to keep a guy, like a guy wants to have sex any time and so to keep him from flipping out you hire You create a hair Try to address this issue. You're just like well hire a crew I guess we get fuck women get the bang gang. Are there bang nurses? And they'll dress like nurses because that was the last time he was himself and boy that's a weird job to go into Oh,

I mean there's sex work and then there's whatever this is. This is a different, dare I say you'd rather this, this version, because would you, why would you, why were bangs? I guess fewer bangs. Yeah. Fewer bangs or it's just the same guy. So you don't have to deal with like weirdos. Although this is one way you're going to enjoy. I don't think you're going to enjoy what's happening. I do think that you'd be like when you look, when your number got pulled, you'd be like, but, but this just sounds like a dick attached to a chili pepper.

It's nobody's happy. Nobody's winning. No. Okay. Rather than blame genetics, and my dad should have done it for me. Rather than blame genetics as his own Shirley. Hilarious. Contributed to his son's mental health issues.

HL instead blamed Hasse's condition on the Jews. What hole are we digging now? Who else, Gareth? Who else could be responsible? Imagine the first time he floats that at work. I just think this is obviously the Jews. Huh? Sorry, what'd you say? Well.

Well, think about it. The boy got a lobotomy. He was deranged to begin with. Now all he wants is sex. He won't eat because he thinks he's shocked. I mean, what else are you going to look? It's Jews. Will you take off your glasses to camera? Sure. It was the Jews who did that.

Specifically, Jewish communists. It was the Jews who did that. Specifically Jewish communists. Who else? Who else would it be? Imagine? Fuck, I can't even imagine being that specific. Jews is too specific. H.O. believed Jewish commun I mean this run is nuts. Jewish communists were out to get good Christian families like his by poisoning their food. What the fuck? So he thinks this happened because of food?

I feel like he's not attached to reality that much anymore. He thinks this happened because of food poisoning. Yeah, so that's gotta be Jews. I remember when I got food poisoning off of, and so that's got to be Jews. I remember when I got food poisoning off of this Malaysian dish. And I was like, well, obviously, it's the Malaysian Jews. Lida and Margaret thought H.O. was being ridiculous as they had all eaten the same food and only Hasse had mental issues. Margaret blamed her father's neglect for Hasse State.

Yes. I can't believe pinpointing the meal. Yeah, yeah. Meal, it was a meal. I mean, but this is- It was that sizzler shrimp. Like this is literally, like this paragraph is literally like what's happening in America right now.

Yes, yes. Yeah. Yes, and yes. This is a, this is- HL is the, HL is the, what's the people in charge. Yeah. And everyone else are the people who's like, I don't know if it was dinner. I don't think it was that one dinner.

It's actually more a complicated like life thing. No, no, no, no, it wasn't. No, it was a steak. Oh my God. We got to put up things. Yeah. You're a yeller. You're a yeller. What's happened?

HL's younger sons, Bunker and Herbert, agreed with their dad. Look, Bunker also thinks it was that food. That's right. It's the Jew commies poisoning. They poisoned the porridge. I don't care if we all ate the same rice pilaf Asi wasn't the same after it. It was that meal. I told you no room service. That's why What might explain HL's desire to blame Hasi's

mental issues on Jews was a new employee HL had recently hired a Texas politician named Sidney Latham as his lawyer, and Latham began to heavily impact HL's political views, which up until that time hadn't really been strong one way or the other. We should probably sue the Jews over this one, HL. Latham was a hard-wing, I'm sorry, right wing, hardline conservative. To him, anyone who wasn't part of the conservative

Christian world. Is a Jew. Was someone who was out to get him. Atheists, Jews, communists, and all non-whites were his number one suspects, and to Latham were the harbingers of evil in America. So everyone who wasn't exactly like him. Yes.

Right. You can imagine anyone being like that. No, you can't possibly. At a time, HL was looking for a new project to take his interest. Latham was ready to lead. A magazine article that came out around this time estimated that HL was making $1 million a week and was perhaps the richest man in the nation. Fuck. Usually not a man who sought the public spotlight, Latham encouraged HL to try to get

a bit of publicity. In an article on HL by Fortune and one by Life, both ran in the spring of 1948, bringing him to public attention by detailing his vast wealth and the business empire, the one time cotton farmer had built for himself. You know, the absurdity we go through when you actually look at like the idea that Fortune is a magazine that does interviews and promotes things and these, you know, the idea that like, when you have money as your

barometer, it's all falling apart. Yeah. Yeah. So on the back of this, HL starts giving public lectures in which he discusses money and patriotism and for the first time is politics. He accused politicians he disagreed with of being communists and wanting to harm America. Of course he gets involved in politics but... His messaging is so inflammatory that one editor said quote if he weren't basically such a damned hick, Hunt could be one of the most dangerous men in America. Hmm.

HL's obsession with his food also took a real hold. Because he thinks Hassie got fucking... Yeah. He's under the impression that Jews were both poisoning the food supply and trying to destroy the minds of young Americans with alcohol. So he starts eating only food he grew on his property, property to make sure it's not poison. It is the healthiest decision, but to get there through the anti-Semitism is remarkable. It really is. Oh, wow. You entered retirement huh? No I gotta grow my own

tomatoes otherwise the Jews will have a hand in it. Have you heard of Jew potatoes? Careful this is soil as Jew written all over it. In 1949 Ruth Ray gave birth to a daughter named Helen 13. It's a lot of work. Oh no wait that's 12. And in that's in 1950 had another little girl named Swanny. That's 13. That's 13. Jesus Christ. Oh no that's 12. This baby was HL's, no 15th living child. I was gonna say I thought we did 13. Okay. HL stayed infatuated with Ruth, who, knowing what she'd signed up for, she was the first one that knew what she was getting into. Right.

Well, yeah, because he had two women already pretty publicly. And so he could just come and go without her caring. Literally. Yeah. His frequent visits to Ruth were- He might have opened that gas station. I meant, oh, what? He might have opened that gas station. I meant, what? He might have opened that gas station. What gas station? The Cum and Go.

Don't ever do that again. I'm off. His frequent visits to Ruth were in part to get away from the issues at home in Dallas. Hasse didn't look like he was going to take over the business as HL hoped, yeah. No shit. Yeah, no, yeah, there's some issues there if we're taking over the business. HL's second eldest son.

I brought a basket of turnips. This is what I'll eat while I'm here with you, Ruth, if that's okay. I'm a little worried about the Jew food. His second eldest son, Bunker, is a disappointment. He's chubby, he wore glasses and HL thought he was a dimwit, which he would tell him all the time, saying that he's not fit to be my heir. So Bunker's having a hard time. Oh my God. After Bunker used millions of his own trust money on drilling oil wells that came up dry,

HL screamed in the middle of the office that Bunker was an idiot who would never have the genius that Hasse did. Oh man, there's just the level of just piling mental anguish on top of these. Endless, endless. He's just creating a nightmare humans. Endless while he's just eating like carrots from his yard only. But Bunker keeps trying desperate to prove himself to daddy. He almost completely depleted his 250 million trust

trying to find oil. Daddy, eat, each well. Daddy, love me. Well, sorry, unfortunately we didn't find any oil in that way either. I mean, 250 million doesn't find any oil nuts. I mean, it would be better to just go to the gas station and buy a bunch of it and be like, dad,

I mean, that would be a lot of oil. It is a lot of cans of oil. like, Dad, I mean, that'll be a lot of oil. There's a lot of cans of oil. I already canned it, Dad. So Latham keeps pushing AL to go into political circles. HL to go into political circles. The anti-communist movement in the US is at its height and Latham introduces HL to the biggest anti-commy guys.

One was Dan Smoot, a former FBI agent who considered himself an authority on the communist intrusion into the US. So an idiot, liar. Believing that, quote, the communist socialists and the liberals are burrowing in, softening up the US for the red takeover. Smoot is handsome, he's a good speaker, and he builds up a following. And Lathan sets up a meeting with HL and Smoot, and HL is impressed and felt Smoot was telling the truth.

To keep Smoot proliferate, in his message to the masses, HL paid for the creation of an organization called Faxforum. It's a media network with radio, TV, and magazines all aimed at bringing the communist message into American homes. Anti-communist message. I was going to say, let's go. I love the name obviously,, Faxform. Yep.

Yep. Full of bullshit. Smoot acted as the host of the Faxform weekly radio and TV broadcast and was also editor of the magazine. The only thing that HL and Smoot disagree on was democracy, which they disagreed quite a bit about. Who was? Smoot held up to democracy as a political outgrowth of Jesus Christ,

which you can't argue with that. Right. And called American democracy the most perfect expression ever made by man. HL said that in an ideal society, quote, the more taxes you pay, the more votes you get. If you accept government help because you are poor or sick You cannot vote at all and you are denied an old-age bench old-age pension I can't believe the smooth guys like right on I know you're just some fucking asshole You're gonna poker and then you bought a bunch of one who bought a bunch of stuff at the right time Yeah, and then now you're now you're you have influence These people are not that you we have to stop equating money with genius, right? We have to Money does not mean you get it. No, it doesn't at all

It matter of fact the opposite I would say it certainly shows a screw loose when you get to the point where you want this Much money you fucking go. Yeah I would say it certainly shows a screw loose when you get to the point where you want this much money. You're fucking gone. Yeah. Did I even tell you what happened at my show? I don't think I did. Did I tell you this? What happened on my show a couple weeks ago where I have a whole chunk about fucking billionaires?

That's definitely a work in progress. You told me two guys got mad. This guy walked out and gave me the finger as he walked out. Oh yeah. And then he came back. Yeah, why not? Because you're being made to billionaires. People think rich people think, I think we did talk about this, but rich people who have been rich for a while think that anyone rich earned it. Yeah. And they mostly didn't. And they think that everyone who's poor is a fucking loser who's not trying. Well, let's do this with your little experiment.

If you want to have democracy and capitalism coexisting, then when you die, all your money goes away. And when you're born, you get $20,000. See how it goes. Way better. Okay. So HL said that in an ideal society, the more taxes you pay, the more votes you get, if you accept government help because you are poor or sick, you cannot vote at all, and

you're denied a pension. And after being chastised for HL by uplifting democracy, Smoot went back to the radio and assured listeners that democracy always degenerates into tyranny and said that the founding fathers knew that democracy is the most evil kind of government possible. So this guy- So he really- This guy just completely flipped on what he believes. He's getting money from a rich guy as you would, as you would, so crazy as you wouldn't assist them that rewards money.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, with get yours. I mean, how many times have we seen that? Just people. Yeah. I mean, we're seeing that on a level right now that is speed. Fine. I mean, I'm sorry.

What'd I say? it's fine. Yeah. H.L. went far into the anti-communist cause. So much that he found himself playing gin rummy with Senator Joseph McCarthy and I knew it was going to happen. In 1952, when McCarthy was in Dallas. Fuck. During the game, H.L. told McCarthy of a meeting he was about to have with former President Herbert Hoover, General MacArthur, and Dwight D. Eisenhower. He said he was

going to try to get Eisenhower to step down so the staunchly anti-Communist MacArthur could run for president. Senator McCarthy said he hoped HL was successful and they posed for photographs together. Fuck. At the meeting between HL was successful and they posed for photographs together. At the meeting between HL and these powerful men, he laid out his plan. Eisenhower did not have a good chance at defeating the Democrats as MacArthur did, even though Eisenhower is a war hero, but HL said MacArthur had a charisma that Eisenhower lacked. And 62-year-old Eisenhower, who was the younger of the two, could run after MacArthur was done being president.

Hilarious. Now Eisenhower agreed to this. Hilarious. Hilarious that 62 is youthful. But he did so silently, promising HL to think it over. Okay. A few months later, HL was back up north in Chicago for the Republican convention, where the Republican nominee for president was to be chosen.

And it looked like the choice was between Eisenhower and Robert Taft, but HL was set on making sure it was MacArthur. And he tried to set up a meeting with Taft to convince him that if he was going to lose and overthrow and throw his support to MacArthur, but Taft refused to meet him. And in the end, HL did not get to be the kingmaker that he wanted to be. So he was trying to choose the president of the United States. If you can imagine a rich guy doing that.

But Eisenhower not only won the convention, but beat his Democrat challenger for president. And HL was severely disappointed at this defeat, not used to getting, not used to not getting his way. Obviously this really affected him. This wasn't the last time HL would try to play Kingmaker, convinced that out of his own kids, Lamar had the biggest appeal. He constantly hounded Lamar to consider running for president. And he would just take Lamar's protests as shy modesty until Lamar finally wrote him a letter asking him to quote, please drop the subject.

Oh my God. But Lamar becomes a senator. Yeah. That's the end of part two. Fuck. Oh God. There's so many ways this can go. Sources.

Obviously, this was written by Brittany Cohen Brown. Kingdom, the story of the Hunt family of Texas by Drum to Seal. Texas Rich, the Hunt dynasty from the early old days through the server crash by Harry Hunt. HL hunts good long, long goodbye in Texas monthly by Bill Porterfield. Oh, and that's it. Fuck me. God damn it.

Everybody wins. Nobody wins. Everybody loses. Well, I don't know why I'm like, uh, affected by this, but I think it is because it is like, you know, you just go, Oh yeah, well, this is like, like we're destined for the shit we're living in. Well, this sounds, his, his personality is anti-commit. All this stuff sounds like Elon. Yeah. And the kids kids, you know, making your kids because you're this great thing. Like it's all- You're rich, buying elections, trying to be kingmaker.

They're the same person. And then there's a reason that this person, this type of person succeeds in capitalism. I was talking to a hedge fund guy and he was like, oh yeah, no, there's, he got heat. We disagree on this, but he was like, there's capitalism that's good. There's good people running stuff, there's, there's, there, he got, he, you know, we disagree on this, but he was like, there's capitalism that's good. There's good people running something good people's in it, but then it also allows terrible people to succeed.

Well, there you go. That's a bad system. And again, so I agree. If you leave, if, if your system leaves the door open to evil, being able to run it, then it's bad. Yeah. And, I think that it's like what's so It's like we've never been able to put the nail in the coffin on this stuff, so This is what you get. Yeah, you get the ultimate version of it. Eventually, eventually. It's the Hulk Yeah, eventually this type of capitalist will rule everything because they just keep it's just difficult to watch. It's difficult to watch. It's also difficult to watch it happen so quickly. It's like it's been happening slowly for so long and it's like been escalating and getting there

and we've known it's coming. And then it's like, oh shit, we're three weeks in. And it's like. Yeah, speed run. It's like the damage is epic. Yeah. Watching the country shoot cannonballs into its own deck. And dick. And dick. All right. Yeah. Watching the country shoot cannonballs into its own deck.

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