The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 682 - Pete Rose - part one

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

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You're listening to the Dullup on the All Thingy Comedy Network. This is an American History podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a giant boob. Gareth Reynolds, who won't push back and who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. You're not going to push back and who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. You're not going to push back? No, I will say, Dave, we've been talking about. This we're doing three.

This is a three parter. I don't know what it is. You can't see. No, I can't. Even if I could see. But I'm excited. I think it said Pinocchio. It's Pinocchio. It's exciting. It's a Pinocchio. Do you like doing the three-parter? He was a born in the year that so I see me

born. Did you know this was going to be three parts when you started or is this one of those ones where you just. I did not do the research. I sent this to a new researcher. Luke Simmons. Josh Androski. Oh. Has done a couple. He's done some stuff. I sent this one to him. That's exciting.

And I knew it would be long. I thought it'd be two. And he said, it's pretty long. So yeah, it's three. That's exciting. Yeah. That's exciting. And if people want to know who Josh is, just Google, Rabbi Price is Right Mushrooms. Yeah, that's right.

And you'll see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he comes up there. I remember when one time we were all, the three of, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah talking about? I was like, we saw things coming. It was genuinely like, Jesus, guys, look, I got notes, but come on. Do you know who the right wing's Obama is? Ooh, me? It's Donald Trump, baby.

Yeah. April 14th, 1941, the year of our Lord J-Town. Did he put that in there? Also J-Lo and the JJ music factory is what he put in I don't think that's true though. I don't think uh, well, I again I'm not the history guy Peter Edward Rose was born on one of the greats

I didn't know until he sent me I mean I knew some stuff. I didn't know until he sent me, I mean I knew some stuff, but I didn't know until he sent me this. It's nice that he just passed too. Boy. What a tribute. He was born on the west side of Cincinnati, Ohio to Laverne and Harry Francis Rose,

but everybody called him. You ever given a girl a Harry Rose? Is that the kind of podcast this is going to be? Well define it. Break it down for people. What's the hairy rose you give to a young lady? It's a euphemism for getting a blowjob with a cock ring. Thorny.

Why the hairy? Come on. We all get... What are you shaving? for getting a blowjob with a cock ring. Thorny. Why the hairy? Come on, we all get... What are you shaving? Oh yeah, I'm like a baby. I'm going extra bush. Is there anything creepier than a fully shaved 50-year-old man? Now is this this kind of podcast? What's your style?

Hey ladies. What is your style? I mostly do letters. I got a mohawk. I usually have a political slogan. You know what I like to do? I shave it all off and then I put rubber cement on my penis and then I roll it around in that. It's called the Harry Rose. You finally figured it out. So everybody called Harry Big Pete okay, and Since father was Big Pete the son can be known as little Pete stuff. That's tough. By the way, that's an important seed Well, that was appropriate though because he was about two sizes smaller than the rest of the kids that he grew up with okay

So the West Side of Cincinnati, very proud working class, German immigrants type place. They worked with their hands, you know, their hands on folks is permanently run down, just dilapidated, just like hanging together cinder blocks and mortar, right? It's not great. Okay. Which is all gone in our country now. What? Oh, that sort of thing. The sort of level all gone in our country now. What? Oh, that sort of thing. The sort of level of dilapidated. Right. Everything's very shiny and pretty. Well, we're, you know,

we're the shining city on a hill. Yeah. We should we should rename the country the Jetsons land. Yeah, no, we're definitely I don't know if you've seen some of the stuff that China and Japan are doing. Hey, can I just stop you right there and point out that I just brought up a cartoon reference from 50 years ago? The Rose family embodied all of this. Little Pete had a relatively normal family. The only thing you could say it wasn't classically American working class, was his grandfather's

pet monkey. You know, we've been doing this for a while. It's, I can't look, I understand ethically, it's problematic. I'm sure this monkey was treated horribly and probably had to wear some sort of fez or something like that. Yeah. I can't help what the science of what my body goes through when I hear pet monkey. It's excited. I'm happy.

Do you want a pet monkey? So bad that it's crazy. I can imagine. So bad that it's crazy. I can imagine you have a pet monkey. Is it illegal to have a pet monkey? Well, I don't. I think there's ways around it. I mean, if you go to Instagram, there's a lot of pet monkeys. Yeah, but you just basically say you go to Instagram, if you go to Instagram, there's a lot of pet monkeys. Yeah.

But you just basically say you want to break the law. No, I'm not breaking the law. And more than anything, it's ethically. I don't want to house a monkey, but I will say if buddy, if I sometimes you see these videos of people say, I saw this monkey gets, this monkey was covered in crabs. We've all been there. That's called the hairy rose. This monkey was covered in crabs.

This is a great story. Tiny monkey, little, little, little, like sea crabs or No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no But he's covered in crabs. For some reason, crabs are just all over this monkey. This guy gets the crabs off this monkey. The monkey's in mud. He takes it back to his place. He nurses the monkey. And then the monkey's tiny, and he's wearing onesies and stuff like that.

If I ever go out and I find a monkey. Covered in crabs? Just like in need. Well, at that point, you saved him, yeah. It's not going, that's what I need. I need to set up a situation where I just buy a monkey, pretend to find it on a hike. And then I'm like Scott Free. You'd be like, he was covered in crabs.

Just like daddy. I found him down by Sears in the parking lot. The old Sears. He was in a pet store covered in crabs. He was in an abandoned Sears. Yeah. Is that not right? So I go to malls a lot and jog through them and boy oh boy, I went to Animals Unlimited He was in an abandoned seers. Is that not right? That's where?

So I go to malls a lot and jog through them and boy oh boy, I went to animals unlimited that have been shut down, but they must have left a monkey in there. He's covered in crabs. Okay this is about the monkey quote, I don't remember how we got rid of it or if it died. None of us killed it. You couldn't get close enough or it'd bite you. What? See, this is the downside.

So it's not a happy monkey. It's not a happy monkey, but why would it be a happy monkey when in your description of the monkey's life, you say we didn't kill it, but we also don't know what happened to it. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, yeah, they killed it. They probably had like a chimp. No, it's too big. I bet it was a little spider monkey type thing. No, no, no. I'm loving it. Pete, Big Pete was a multi-sport semi-pro athlete who had, quote, fists the size of coffee canisters and a face like a chiseled rock.

Wow. He'll be like me. Sure. Yep. He definitely got rock head. He played. He played baseball in the spring and summer and he batted 300, which if you don't know, if you're like from Australia, you don't enjoy actual sports.

It's really good. Have you ever watched a man play Dinky Danny? It's a sport. You Yankees, you're always claiming you got to go watch a guy. We punch load of us went down there the other day, drink a ton, and we watched a Dinky Danny match. That's a sport. People are so mad at your accent right now.

As they should be. I need a couple of practice swings. No, it's good. It's good. Good enough for me. Thank you. Yeah, it's America. All I'm going for is America Pass.

That's right. I just want the greatest nation on earth to. Yeah. It's America. All I'm going for is America pass. I just want the greatest nation on earth to like it. That's right. He played basketball in the winter and especially football every autumn and Big Pete dominated a league of factory workers while scouts from the Bears, Browns and Packers looked on. Wow. Just some legit teams. Big Pete would, two of them are, Big Pete would often make a little side bets with other

players on who would do the best and he would always bet on himself to win. Okay. This. Uh, so he was so good that the local news, five shadowing that he was so good to the local news created an entire football obstacle course for him inside their studio. Wow. The grand finale of the obstacle course?

The eliminator. Spear tackling a desk chair made of wood and metal. Spear tackling it? Yeah. OK. Since this would obviously harmony man, the network draped a big blanket on the chair and asked Big Pete if he was ready.

He was, except one thing, quote, take the blanket off. You think I'm a sissy? Yeah, well, bravado. Yeah, again, we're seeing seeds, we're germinating. He hit the chair so hard, one of the arms flew off and the rest smashed into pieces on the floor. Of him or the chair? He kept his arms.

Okay, so the chair arm fell off. Can we just admit that news used to kick ass? Local news used to just be fucking awesome. It really now it's dog shit now. Yeah, it's fucking terrible. Man, I'm like imagine a local news producer being like, then we're going to bring in this guy who's really good at football and he's going to attack a chair.

Yeah, I'm like, let's go. So little Pete idolized Big Pete, modeling everything he does after his old man, including his notorious work ethic. And as a young boy, Pete got his first job collecting fares down the street at the Flywheel Ferry that crossed the Ohio River. $0.05 a person, $0.35 for cars. Now Little Pete loved the feeling of the metal coins being

pressed into his hands. Just loves that money. Interesting. And Mr. Kottmeyer who ran the ferry would let him take home enough nickels that they jangled in his pockets when he ran to his favorite after work hangout. Shultes bar. Wow. A peaches, the young boy. Yeah. So he couldn't go in and drink. Instead, he would hang outside with the other boys and they gamble. Okay. Better. Yeah. Well, look, it's so we're, I mean, again, without revealing, I don't know much, but the certainly gambling, um, keeps coming up, keeps coming up for some reason. Uh. So the game they played was called lagging pennies and to play you'd stand a distance away from the exterior wall of Schultes and toss a penny at the wall and the closest penny wins.

Yeah. Michael Jordan played that in the last dance. Even basketball, I think too. Yeah, that was going to say he was. I believe he also was a basketball player. Even though the other boys would throw harder and farther than Pete his eye hand coordination was so good that a flick of his wrist He could land that penny right up against the wall. It's all matters. That's the game you're playing now Pete has talent little Pete has talent and Big Pete is consumed by his his kids talent

That's so similar to you and I. Coaching him, all he could do, he each breath coaching the kid, he just wants the kid. So he forces him to bat and throw a switch handed. So hitting switch is from both sides, right and left. Now throwing switch is very odd from both sides, right and left. Now throwing switches very. Yes. God, and doesn't happen. There's a couple guys can do it, but they're just naturally ambidextrous. Yeah. But you didn't know is there an advantage to it?

No. Well, if you're a pitcher, you can switch depending on the batter. Right. Okay. Right. But other than that, no, I mean, that is an advantage for a pitcher. I guess you could play every position on the field right so sure there are positions You don't put a left-handed player like second and yeah, right. They're usually at first base in the outfield That's their left-handers, right? So you can I guess you guess so there I guess there's an advantage I mean look we rag on this sort of stuff. But again Tiger Woods Look, we rag on this sort of stuff, but again, Tiger wins. But he was just doing this because he thought it might make him good for the Little League team.

He buys a little bit of boxing gloves with money that was supposed to go to shoes for his daughters. Yeah. Well, sorry. What's going to pay off? Yeah. Who needs them? Right. Do little girls need shoes more?

Or you know what I mean? If this hits, they're going to have fuck you shoe money. You've heard the term barefoot in the kitchen or whatever. Is that a phrase? It is now. Now, I was just being supportive, but no one's ever said it as a phrase. Barefoot and what does it mean?

Barefoot and pregnant is the term. Barefoot and pregnant? The way I like to say it is barefoot and in the kitchen. I've never heard barefoot and what does it mean barefoot and pregnant is the term barefoot and pregnant the way i like to say it is barefoot and in the kitchen i've never heard barefoot and pregnant either yeah that's what was that like poor well the that's like the woman shouldn't be working and she'd be in the house so we can't always ready for her feet to be licked we can't and now i think i think pretty sure it's a thing as a matter fact, I think one of the popes came up with that. So the first time little Pete hit a line drive in the yard, it went straight through a glass window shattering it. Big Pete dismisses the idea of fixing it. The broken window is proof of Pete's first hit. And when he becomes a big league star, it would be a piece of history.

Now this is where the, the, the the girls not wearing shoes comes. If you're letting him break windows and you don't aren't buying shoes for your children, that's where it starts to become a little bit more dangerous. You should figure it out. Big Pete's mantra was hustle. Okay. Every aspect of being an athlete could be made better if they hustled.

Little Pete didn't have the money for good equipment or coaching. He didn't have the size, he didn't really even have the talent. But if his father had his way, hustling would become Little Pete's superpower, and Big Pete never let him forget it. And in middle school, the other boys kind of loomed over

Little Pete like giants, he's not a big kid. Sure. And he became peewee Pete or puny Pete stuff. This is not good. He was paid his tough. I can tell you from watching all of Finns friends grow up together, the ones who are still small. It's not great. It doesn't work. But if we can, hang in there. Hang in there. Hang in there, okay? Hang in there.

Eventually women like really short men. Listen, no, no, no. When you're like 30. Develop your personality. You are going to, absolutely. You're going to go on your dating profile and there's going to be a lot of women who say, I'm under six feet, no thanks. And you're going to think, what the fuck?

And it's going to hurt you. And just remember, that's what it's been like to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever.

I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a woman forever. I'm going to be a lot of women who say, under six feet, no thanks, and you're going to think, what the fuck? And it's going to hurt you. And just remember, that's what it's been like to be a woman forever. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah Well Pete still made the teams, but he would sit on the bench while the other kids played. Yeah, well they did that guy. Finn played a game yesterday, and it's one of the top programs, and they played against one of the top programs in the country at Beat'em.

But there's a kid batting fifth, and he was the shape of a meatball. What kind of meatball? The spicy meatball, ah! Damn it! He is, he's round. He's a little round guy. He's not tall, he's very short.

He's very short. He looks like he's under five feet. And he's round. And I'm like. Is he round? He's round. And I look at the other parents and I go, the only way a kid that shape makes it on to a high school team

especially a high school team of this caliber is if he's really fucking good because you have to work against the stereotypes where they just look at you go you can't play yeah immediately they think and sure enough he he's the best hitter he is yeah on the team yeah he just smacks it. So Pete, when you're small, they're just like, no. Do we call him Pete Ball? Yeah. Spassipita Ball. Spassipita Ball, ah!

So he's a tiny guy. He really loves baseball, but, and he loved, but it's something he loved more when Big Pete took his kids to the racetrack. Oh, fuck. He didn't stand a shot. That was the day, the happiest moments of little Pete's childhood, standing at the rail,

watching the horses, screaming for daddy's horse to win, jumping up and down, just. Well, the euphoria of when he wins, I'm sure, was only cut by the absolute pain and disappointment when he lost. Huh? Yeah. In high school, football-

He's hugging you a lot when he wins. You probably were like, oh, my dad's happy today. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. In high school, football became... Sorry, my son needs a $1.35. Why is he?

Why don't you just ask me from the dollar 35? He does, but I don't understand what's happening. He's got money. What does he? Oh, he's requesting 20 now. There you go. That's how they get you. Better.

I mean, you got to go in for the big money. I know he has, I got him, I gave him like a credit card and it's full. Like I loaded up, right? Sure. But it's got like $200 on it, but he's just like, yeah, I left it at home. So I got to do this during the podcast. You need me to come in and teach this boy a lesson. Because he's having his way with you.

Now I'll admit, when I see him now, I'm a little more intimidated. He's a man. But he needs Uncle Gary to come around and start showing him a thing or two. He's probably bigger than you at this point. Doesn't matter. What I've got, problems.

He's probably got more muscles. I've got what a kid can't learn, problems. I have problems. Mental, physical, there's problems. I'm going to let him feel what it's like to be around me. He'll fall in line. Let's just stay away from my kid, yeah? Well, see, you're going to be a problem.

And I will deal with you how I need to. I'm going to raise your boy the way I think he should be raised. And by the way, there's not even a contract on the table. You've already signed it. This plan is in motion. You can barely raise a cat, which you've created an abusive cat. By the way, first of all, fuck you. Second of all, now that's it.

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promo code the dollop. Like we said, loves love the horsies. In high school, football came, becomes Pete's favorite sport, little Pete. But he doesn't play. You know why? He's tiny. He's a tiny guy. The only time he played sports was in a baseball league outside of school. He wasn't close to the best player on his team, but he hustled. He was the biggest hustler. Sure.

He turned singles into doubles, doubles into triples. He broke up double plays by sliding headfirst into second. Did not care about his safety. Did not care about anyone else's safety. Yet all he could think about was playing football with his high school friends. His hustle, however, became contagious and his baseball team won the city championship. His teammates loved his hustle. He was elected captain. He got his picture in the paper with other team captains. But the paper comes out on a sad day for little Pete. It's the same day that he was cut from the football team. And one thought takes over his mind.

Fuck school. He's a little Gareth Reynolds. I was going to say I've been there. Get out. I'm going to say this all day, every day. They were like, what are you thinking about? I was like, how I shouldn't be here and all these old things, that's bullshit.

Dude, my wife loves school and she's just always, I wish I could go to school forever and. What, in what way? In like high school? No, just keep going, just keep getting degrees and shit. And Finn will come in and just be like, oh god, I fucking hate school. I'm like, right, you're supposed to hate school.

I hated school too. And she's just like, I cannot believe this is my child. Oh my god. I made him right. Oh, you are supposed to hate it. Yeah. They are setting, they are really, truly, and this is where it's like, look,

you gotta get old and start thinking about this a lot to really be like, this whole fucking thing, it's just a way to prep you to work in a goddamn factory or an office and fill your head with lies and bullshit. Yeah, to get you to be a good worker. The whole thing is just there, just so that you're just like, man, I just gotta take it.

Yeah, that's right. Getting up at fucking 6 a.m., 6.30. So at this point, Pete is just done with school. He's not going to learn anymore. He's not going to try anymore. He's not going to participate anymore. Get out of there, Pete. They're taking, springing you down.

If they can't see how much he tried, how much he hustled, how hard he hustled, then fuck them, right? Yeah. Fuck them. Yeah. He completely stopped trying. Now, his baseball teammates were being approached by Cincinnati Reds scouts.

Cincinnati Reds being the local professional baseball team. One of the OGs. And now, a racial name or no? No, socks. They just, it was just pro, I read socks. Red stockings, yeah. I love red stockings. I know you do.

Let's not get into that. His baseball teammates- That reminds me of the first time I got a thorny rose. Are being approached and his uncle, Pete's uncle, is one of the Reds' lead scouts. So nepotism. He gets him- He's really scouts racial. Go ahead.

He gets him the lowest offer you can get. Okay. But he gets him a contract to play a ball, the lowest class D of a ball. So it's the lowest rung in the minor, minor baseball pro. And then there's all these minor leagues and he's at the very bottom. Okay. It no longer exists. That's how bad it is.

Wow. So they just the tariffs keep going. They just need warm bodies in that. That's what he is. Offer him $7,000, which is a tenth of what one of his high school teammates got. His dad tried to negotiate. Hilarious. But Pete interrupted and said, quote, I'll take it. That's yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I understand both sides. I do $7,000 a season. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. But it's, I think it's the fifties late fifties. Yeah. So it's not terrible. I don't think you can live on it still. Yeah. Right. Nobody can live on anything now. It's kind of way. So you still make the same amount. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah, right. Nobody can live on anything now. It's kind of way. So you still make the same amount. Yeah, right. Yeah. So he reports to training in Geneva, which is an upstate

in New York, the Geneva red legs. They do not have a professional stadium. So where they it's next to a factory. Oh, good. You want that smoke. It has very hazardous slopes, dips and holes around first and third. That's fine though. Yeah. Because no one can get it. Well, I mean, again, I mean, I've always said baseball should have a couple more holes in the field. You know what?

That would make it more exciting. Yeah. Just imagine if a fucking mate, like an all-star just fell into a hole and was just gone. Or he- No, no, I'm talking about like to the center of the earth. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just like a slide to Satan. All-star just fell into a hole was just gone or he no no I'm talking about like to the center of the earth Like a slide to Satan yeah Just something like that where you just you guys not looking at and they should be moving indifferent in every stadium

So you're just watching the game that you're like oh Vladimir Grouch and you're fell into a hole He's gone, and they just go yeah, he's gone Yeah, I would watch way more. Do you still have to pay the contract out to his family? It wasn't the service of the game. I think there'd be a clause. There'd be a clause in there that would say, look, if you fall in the hole, yeah, you're

going to get a million dollars, but you're not going to get the max deal. You're going to get the contract. No, because, I mean, look, he should know. Yeah, don't fall in the hole. Don't fall in that hole. Yeah. So, excuse me. That's fair. Might I add that you're covering the hole with some dirt

so that we actually don't even. Oh, you're doing like a trap. Yeah. But it's either team. Either team could fall in the hole. But there is what I'd call a whole field advantage, which is when it's a home game. You know where the hole is.

You kind of know where your hole is a little bit. But if you're in Oakland, which doesn't have a team. Which I believe plays next to a little bit. But if you're in Oakland, which is I believe plays next to a factory now, then you are. Yeah. Then there's just kind of the whole. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. All right. So grass doesn't even grow in left field anymore. There were fights over who showered first because the hot water was very limited. The outfield wall was some kind of metal structure, it was either aluminum or tin, and players would hurt themselves jumping

to get a fly ball, and even worse, some sliced their wrists open when chasing down a double in the gap. Wow, okay. So this is what baseball should be. Well, we did that episode on the guy who kept running into him. Pete Risler.

Risler? Risler or whatever. Pistol Pete, Crazy Pete, Little Slippy Pete? Yeah, Concrete Pete. The prior season had ended when the concession stand caught on fire. OK. But Pete does well.

Because his hustles, at these lower levels, hustle will really set you apart sure give you a go gutter. So it's that some party climbs up up the Reds ladder from 1960 to 1963 Geneva to Tampa to McCombs making by mastering contact hitting becomes a contact hitter. Meaning what he just touched he hits the ball. He's always going to hit the ball. Okay. You're not really hitting it for power. You're just hitting it and helping you get a single or whatever. Right. Or moving driving in RBI's or whatever. Yeah. Contactors don't really

strike out very much because they're more concerned about home run hitter. You're getting a lot of strikeouts. Good training at home. Right. Yeah. So's, he's a contact hitter. They don't really have very many contact hitters anymore because that was boring. Exciting. He had a ridiculous crouch stance. I mean, go ahead and look up Pete Rose stance if you want to Google it. Cause it's really insane. He would contort his body like a question mark. He's much shorter than the average MLB player, but now his eyes are chest level at the top

of the strike zone. Oh, wow. He's very low. He's very low. Oh my God. There's one. Now you don't see like Quasimodo. You don't see people like do that anymore because everyone's being taught to hit the

same way. But that was like it used to be you would figure out how to hit and that would be your thing. But now they all teach him to do it the same way. I mean, it's comical. That's comical. It's comical. He looks like he's hunched over. Like it's, he looks like he has a back problem.

That is shocking. That is a shocking low. Okay. And I don't even know much, but that doesn't look right. So if you're pitching to him, you have to pitch through very small areas. So it's easier to hit. Yeah look right. So if you're pitching to him, you have to pitch to a very small area. So it's easier to hit. Yeah, right. Easy to see the ball and sure he'd hit the ball down, which was, he wants, he doesn't

want to hit it up for pop flies. So Pete is gaining experience and he's getting stronger. He couldn't live on the $7,000 salary. So he works during the off season at a rail yard, unloading heavy freight. Sure. And by the winter of 1963, he yard unloading heavy freight. Sure. And by the winter of 1963, he's gained over 35 pounds of muscle. Holy shit. Which is a lot for a little guy.

Wow. I got to get down to one of those yards. Yeah. That's what I got to do in the end. What we need is an off season. We do. We need an off season. To hit the rail yard. We need three months where you and I just go and we get,

we recharge and we get cut. And I'll go be a longshoreman and you go do whatever little thing you want to do. Huh? I hit the bag. Yeah, you hit the bag, whatever. I'm going to go be with the fucking bros down by the ocean. It's pretty rapey down there.

Well, from what I hear too, it works not what it used to be. No. Because of the tariffs. I'm doing a lot of tariff stuff. Yeah, you should, because it's hot stuff. This is five years from now, so how? So the Reds' second baseman at the time is a beloved guy.

Everyone on the team loves him, the fans, but he's hitting under 240, which now is totally normal, but back then, really bad. Right, OK. Pete was lighting up the fans, but he's hitting under 240, which now is totally normal. But back then really bad. Right. Okay. Pete was lighting up the miners, hitting a hundred points higher. Okay. And Red's manager, Fred Hutchinson, uh, was, uh, also beloved, um, more by beat writers than his players, but he would stay up drinking all night with the reporters until like it was super early in the morning, and then he'd sleep for an hour or two,

and then he'd go do a round of golf, and then he'd come back to the hotel when everyone was waking up. Wow, okay. So he is an alcoholic with a golf problem? Remember Billy Martin? It's kind of the same fucking thing, but they all did it.

They just, it was a drinking thing. The golf. Baseball. Oh, baseball was. Yeah. Why is he golfing? Because you got to you got to get in. I don't understand. You got to get a round in. What do you just go to sleep? Get around it. It's early.

Even my heavy drinking day. Sleep was a big thing. Suns up. Go, go golf. Hit the hit the course. OK. The players nickname for him was old stone face because they knew, because they never knew what he was feeling unless he was screaming, which he did quite a bit. Well, what was he feeling when he was screaming? Well, then they knew he was upset. Then they knew.

Unless he was screaming, they didn't know what his emotion was. All right. Well, obviously- By the way, that's an alcoholic thing. Yeah. I was going to say, today we would recognize that this is troubling. Yeah. I would have gone with Quasimodo.

OK. Based on the stance. Yeah. You're talking about Pete Rose? Yeah. This is the coach that we're talking about. I would have called him Rose-li-osis. That's the coach.

Yeah, we're not talking about Pete. I know you want to. OK. You feel weird now? Should we go back? Kind of like you weren't paying attention, maybe? Three, two, one. There's a lot going on. Okay. You feel weird now? You're like, three, two, one. Wow. There's a lot going on. Yeah.

The writers joke that Hutch didn't throw tantrums. He threw rooms because after losses, you see stools tables, the entire team post came meal spread, go flying. Oh, that would be infuriating. He once went into the, he once went into the tunnel outside the dugout and methodically smashed every single light. It takes so long. But it's also just like 40 lights. Do we were using that? Christmas decorations.

Just get flashlights. Yeah. Yeah. He's that guy. Okay. So Hutch knows he has to do something about this second baseman, but there's also a hierarchy. So there's at least two guys in the order above Pete and those guys are not very good. They're bums. Right. Quote, if I had any guts, I'd put Pete Rose on second base and forget about

it. He paid to have guts. Right. Yeah. I think it was different back then. I think you gave her respect the process. You're a shot. It's like, you're, it's like if you're, uh, like I say, you're running something called Congress and there's a Jerry Connolly, for instance, a woman who's popular. You can put her in this spot, but then you got a guy who's dying. Who's got throat cancer and he's been waiting for a while and he's dying and he doesn't know how to set up a webcam. And it's maybe the most important, uh, waiting for a while and he's dying and he doesn't know how to set up a webcam. And it's maybe the most important... It's an important time and it's an important role.

It's the oversight committee of the finance. It would be very, very, very helpful to have someone with power guts who goes viral all the time to be in that role. To take on Trump. Absolutely. But instead... Not Trump, I mean anyway. But instead you decide you're going to Pop Pop, who's old yellowing.

Can't talk anymore, cause his throat's gone. And has no throat to speak up. And even when they go to him to ask him about it, he seems like it shouldn't be happening. But you still are like, you should do this. Yeah, you should do this. Cause you're old, weird, and definitely not gonna make it. And then that guy drops out because he can't make it,

because everyone was right that his health is so diminished that he can't possibly do the job. And then you just kind of go, ah, what are you going to do? Anywho, so these two guys are in front of him and he does invite Pete to spring training in 1963 so he can try to make the team. And when he's there, Pete falls in love with pulling a double header every day. Thought a woman's name was going to be said, okay. That's what the players called hitting the last horse race

at Florida Downs, then going across the bay to St. Petersburg for the Derby Lane Dog Track. Oh wow. Pete, however, invented the triple header. Okay. Tacking a late night high ally trip. High lie. High lie. The game? Yeah. High lies in Florida and I want to say Connecticut. We did an episode on it. Okay. I don't know. I think we did we did an episode. Okay. I remember talking about it It was always in an episode. Yeah, right. I kind of remember that. Yeah. Yeah, so highlight which occasionally still comes on which is

What is now called the Ocho? ESPN's the Ocho which create shows the craziest sports and everyone's all look up and they look Highlights on and it's the dumbest sport you've ever watched. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, who made racquetball worse? Ha ha ha ha! So yeah, so you can bet on HiLi, though. That's one of the reasons they pushed it so much.

So he would go there. So three. So it's good. It's good. Yeah, because he's focused in the right zone. Yeah. He also did very well on the diamond. He solidified himself on the roster, though his new teammates were not really on the same. They don't care for it.

Okay. The veterans really hated Pete because he jumped the line. He jumped over those two guys. I really can't understand that. That seems very strange. They're just like... If your business is to put together the best team, at some point someone better

than everyone else will come along. But they think you give that guy a shot. You got him next, so he gets a shot. You don't have to beat the other guy out. Look, a lot of what this country is founded on is- Stupid. White guy nepotism. You just put Frank in there.

Well, it's Frank's turn. Yeah. I can't stop thinking about Jerry Connelly So the only players who treated Pete like a person or Guys that's the right name Vada Pinson and Frank Robinson who were both black guys, okay Because they they have to they have to kick the door in to play. What people suck. Yeah. He was like, well, I don't know.

He doesn't care that they're black guys. He would invite them to his hotel room because they couldn't stay in the team hotel. He ate with them. And when he learned this pissed off the snobby white vet players, he would just egg it on even more, like one time performatively kneeling

before Frank Robinson and tying his cleats. I love that that is shocking. But. Oh, at the time, I mean. Oh my God. Just. Smoke coming out the ears. White smoke.

That's why you just kiss him. Yeah, oh yeah just kiss him. Yeah. I kiss him. Just watch. I watched like men explode. Literally a room full of guys just explode. Just tongue kiss Frank Robinson.

So Pete finds that he loves pissing people off, especially for justice or at least righteousness. And one spring training game against the Yankees, Pete bunted and tore ass to beat out the throw. Okay. That was not normal in spring training. You didn't fucking hustle and go all out. Right. You're there to get ready for the season. Sure.

You do that in the season. Right. Once, one, yeah, so he just didn't do it, especially not on a bunt, he just didn't fucking do it. So baseball icons Mickey Mandolin and YD Ford laughed at him and said sarcastically, quote, wow, look at Charlie Hussle over there. He fucking loved it. Oh, he fucking loved it.

And now he's pushing the nickname, he loves the attention. And he decided it's a compliment and he wears it as a badge of honor. He fucking loved it. And now he's pushing the nickname. He loves the attention. And he decided it's a compliment and he wears it as a badge of honor. It is weird to be like, well, this guy's really going for it. Like as a negative. I think that you don't, you don't want to go for it. You don't want to put yourself out there and then fail. If someone else is going for it, now you look bad.

Right. So it's more about like, it's the same thing as the guy gets his turn. It's all this, it's these unwritten rules, which unwritten rules exist everywhere. Like doctors, when they do the residents are supposed to stay at 48 hours straight, even though we know it kills patients. But the new doc, when they were going to change it recently, the older doctors, you cannot change, that is how recently, the older doc was like, you cannot change, that is how we do it. It's like, it doesn't even make sense.

But so there's just these things that they make everybody do. So that's one of the things. Yeah, it's also a super white thing. It is a very white thing. So he loves a nickname. And for the rest of his life, it would stay with him. And he said, quote, the Mick gave it to me. Just the Mick, Mickey Mantle.

Despite spending all of his time gambling and going everywhere with a man known only as the Cuban. Oh, what the fuck? That's kind of fear and loathing. The Cuban. Okay. Pete was, he's doing well. and he landed a big league roster spot. Okay.

Started his career, oh, and 13. Okay. That's probably four games. I wonder if he was like, I need to shrink my stance more. He'd be like, Pete, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to put my, I'm going to door fit. I'm going to put my shoes on my knees. Here you go. Yeah. So he was almost sent back to dwarf it. I'm going to put my shoes on my knees. Here you go. Yeah. So he was almost sent back to the miners.

But then after a month things settled in and Pete starts paying attention to the pitchers. He has a really good memory. He's got a really good memory. And it is good enough that if he was pitched to in the same location twice, he was going to hit it. Oh shit. And he hustled enough to make an impact and he ends up being voted

National League rookie of the year. Wow. For 1963. Holy shit. He's 22. So he's on the map. 22. Big time on the map.

Yeah. Now one day at the track in the luxury boxes, Pete is looking through his binoculars, sees this beautiful woman, massive hair, gigantic hair. She's loud, she's brassy. Carol Engelhardt, bossing around her friends. He cannot get enough of this. Well, I mean, you're always looking for a woman with a huge head of hair.

Yeah. That's just shouting at her friend. Yelling loud. That's what you want. Yelling big hair just in charge. Yeah. Yeah, this woman will be. Binocular out a woman too.

She'll be. Look at her. Terrible to me, but block the sun. She seems like a total fucking nightmare. Hold my binoculars, boys. Within months they're married. Wow. She's Catholic, so she wants to be Catholic wedding. Sure. She's a little embarrassed, however, when Pete kept asking

during this during the ceremony if it was over yet. Now go to the track. Now, if you've ever been to a Catholic wedding. Yeah, that's actually the most asked question. Dare I say any wedding? No, yeah. That's actually the most asked question. Dare I say any wedding. No, no, you. Really? Dude, a Catholic, a real traditional Catholic wedding.

I don't know if I've been to one. Holy fuck, dude. I mean, get ready for your legs to be sore. Like, it just up, down, up, down. Like, it just never ends. It's crazy. Oh my gosh. They're like two hours, the ceremony.

Or I feel like two hours, if they're not. I remember the first time I went to one, I walked out and was just like, what in the fuck just happened? The truth is, any wedding you go to, more and more now people are like quick. You're just like, buddy, that is so appreciated. Yeah.

Like the fact that we don't need to like spend two hours. Yeah. Sitting there doing all this shit. Yeah. Just get it over with. Just quick. I love you. Let's go party. Party. I say bang them right there in the altar. Well that's very Scottish game. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Four hundredths. Yeah. Four hundredths. Yeah. There we are. What do you mean I do? I bloody did, I finished. Look at that. And the reason he kept asking if the ceremony was over yet was because he had double booked himself. He's got a gamble.

He had scheduled to give a speech at a press banquet. Oh wow. So he leaves his own wedding reception in his tux to give a speech to the press, which goes over very well. Sure. But Carolyn pretty quickly realized that she's not really high up on the priority list of Pete Rose.

Yeah, well, leaving your wedding to give a speech to reporters is a red flag. Pete first, then baseball, then her. And even when they have their daughter Fawn and their son Pete Jr., that's always Pete first and then baseball. Sure. So Pete makes the All-Star team four to the next six years.

He has the most hits. He won the batting title twice. He got to accompany baseball's living legend, Joe DiMaggio, to entertain the troops in Vietnam. And boy, could they use it. Why is that? Because very quickly, they realized

that this war made no sense. And they're like, wait, what's going on? You're fighting communism. Quote, I was in awe of this guy. I mean, this guy was one of my heroes. I couldn't believe I'm riding helicopters with Joe DiMaggio. It's hot, I mean, it's so goddamn hot you can't sleep.

And Joe says, I can't sleep. I got to take a shower. So the way you take a shower, you got this big bamboo thing up here and you got to get up on a chair and you gotta feed the water down So I'm up on the thing feeding the water and he's taking a shower Best way to describe Joe DiMaggio as he's a penis with a man hanging off of him. I mean Joe DiMaggio

There's some guys you don't have to say like it's just Joe it's Joe DiMaggio. There's some guys you don't have to say, like it's just Joe. It's Joe DiMaggio. You don't have to be like, oh, you had a big fucking Joe DiMaggio. See, to me, I don't really, not to be rude, I don't really care either way about who Joe DiMaggio is, but I also do- What? I picture Marilyn Monroe. That's what my mind goes. Well, she got the hog is what they say.

Yeah. She got the seven year inch. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so she was maybe a size queen. Maybe. Well, actually the Kennedy's, nah. There's no way the Kennedy's have big ones.

I mean, I don't know where this conversation's going. Where they were talking, what talking about? This is a new podcast, talking about. I don't want to talk about it now because I'm just picturing RFK's roided up dick, his six pack shlong. You know it's really lumpy and weird. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

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to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. By 1970, Pete is one of the most famous players in the game of baseball. All-Star Game was held in Cincinnati that year. There's a very promising young catcher for the Cleveland Indians named Ray Fossey. The night before, he and Pete, another player, and their wives have a drink of Pete's, then

they have dinner, and then they go back to Pete's for a nightcap. This might be competitive to gain an advantage because Ray's on the other team, the American League team. Pete goes to bed early, and Caroline has to figure out how to get everyone out and home. Okay. So that sounds a little. Leaves her with a tab.

For about eight and a half innings, the game is not good. Sure. It's a game, so the National League plays the American League, the best players, and it didn't mean anything, so it didn't often, no one cared. It was just like, oh, you get to watch these guys.

Now they try to touch them meaning to it. So in the bottom of the ninth with the ale up four to one, the national league finally rallies and ties the game. Up to this point, Pete is having a terrible game. Pete is national league? Yeah. Okay. The Nixon's there. There's 50. Nixon's there? Yeah.. Yeah. There's 50 million people watching and

he's having a terrible game. It's easy. The largest audience has ever been in front of sure in the bottom of 12. He does get a single. He gets a second and there's two outs and if you're on second base and there's two outs, yeah. Once someone makes contact, you run. Like ordinarily you'd wait to see if it's a fly ball, you wait. Two outs you run no matter what.

So, and he's the hustle guy too, so he's going to run. So next batter hits a bloop single. A bloop single? Yeah, like a little dinky. It's not a hard shot, it's kind of a lucky. Falls in, yeah. Pete runs around third. The outfielder picks it up, thrown home.

Outfielder's got a good arm. And there's Ray Fossi. He's the catcher. His buddy. And he's blocking the plate. Stand in front of the plate. And so Pete can't do his head first. His signature slide.

Sliding isn't an option because he's going to be tagged. That's another thing you can look up. Pete Rose sliding head first. I think I know, this is where the batting helmet drops off or whatever. Yeah, totally. He can't do that because it's too risky. He can break his collarbones going into the catcher.

You can do that at second, but the catcher's full of gear. Oh, he's not going to run into him. Oh, that's what I thought was coming. Well, no, he can't slide feet first either, because he would never get to the plate, because the guy's blocking it. And Pete said his dad is in the front row, and he heard his voice in his head, quote,

don't play like a sissy. It's cool that that's the legacy. So he just spears him, spear tackles him. Yeah, right. Hard. Yeah. Really fucking hard. Today we would call it giving him a concussion.

Like a CT move. The collision is, like people can't believe what they just saw. They're in the stadium. There are 10 seconds of silence. Oh, Jesus. Back then too. Until the crowd realized that Fososse never even had the ball. The ball didn't get to him. He hit him before he had the ball. What the fuck? Pete scores and the

national league wins again eighth time in a row. Who cares about Fosse? It fucking won. Can I, may I watch it quickly? Sure. You can watch it. I'll say this while you're watching it. Okay. Fossey doesn't get up. Oh God. He wants, he's a tough guy. He once got hit in the ear by a foul ball. A chunk of his ear came flying off.

There was blood dripping down his neck and he stayed in the game. So he's tough. Jesus Christ. He's a tough guy. And Fossey's now clutching his shoulder and rolling around in the dirt. OK, his, uh, all of his AFL American League buddies, including Pete's old friend, Frank Robinson, are saying things like, quote, I don't know why he hit him so hard. I don't think it was necessary to be that aggressive in a game that doesn't mean much.

And that dirty SOB could have slid around him. Well, the fact that he doesn't have the ball. I mean, that's how you played baseball back then. But that's still fucking crazy. Watching that just now, that is absolutely nuts. It is, it is, so there's two kinds of baseball. In that play, normally, if the catcher has the ball, you're basically just trying to knock the ball out, and if the catcher is the ball, you're basically just trying to knock

the ball out. And if the catcher let's go with the ball and you touch the base, you're safe. Yeah, you're trying to know the whole point of hitting the catcher is to knock him out, knock, knock the ball out of his hand. Yeah, not knock him so he can't hold on to the ball, which means hitting him really hard can cause so that's what baseball was. It's brutal. It's crazy. Even when I always liked baseball back then, even back then, I just was like, what are you doing? And there were guys who loved doing it. And there are other guys who were like, no.

There's a guy, Chase Utley, who was on the Dodgers, and he was a big guy who did that. And I talked to a guy who was on one of his teams, and was like, oh, yeah, we all fucking we mostly all hated it Yeah, and a couple guys who liked it, but that's a really weird skill to have Well, you're you because you're also you know, you're playing against a guy who is making his living Playing the sport and you could end that tomorrow. So that's why you know, it's not great. That's why it's awesome to watch. Yeah, that's why it's awesome. Because you're just like, wow, this guy's life could change. But that changed like 10 years ago.

They changed it. And they call it the Buster Posey rule. Because Buster Posey got taken out, and he was out for a season. So now you can't run into people anymore. It's just, and by the way, look at how the country's gone down the toilets and stuff like that. There's still guys mad about it. There's still guys like, fucking buster, fucking buster, posy.

He's like, all right, buddy, well, sorry we can't ruin careers for you anymore. Well, like football obviously has a much different problem because tackling is obviously part of the sport. But if you watch the old Monday night football intro. It's crazy. It's all illegal. It's everything's illegal. And then the, like when they're going to the commentators, it's two helmets that just smash in.

Like the whole thing was, they were just like, we need to ruin brains. Yeah. These guys are killing each other. Yeah. And it's awesome. Yeah. It's really nuts. Um, so this was the beginning of the, so Ray Ray Fossey's career was plateau going up and then it went down. Uh, he was thought to be the next great catcher in baseball. His shoulder injury was then misdiagnosed by a team doctor. He played. It's his leg. He's mostly leg. He played with a fractured and separated shoulder,

which then healed wrong. So his fall through emotion was ruined forever and he'd never be as good of a hand again. I don't have doctors back then. He did. Like sports doctors. Yeah. This is nice.

That guy looks like a bat wing. That's where we need you. That's it, Ray. Uh, yeah. So he could have been one of the great, he's still considered a great in Cleveland, but he could have been like, you know, Johnny bench great. Sure. He could have been like a real city. Great. Now the opposite side of that is Pete Rose. This is big coming out on the national stage. It cemented him as Charlie hustleussle. Get that boy to Vietnam. The king of playing hard, not being a sissy. Dudes are, what are we? It's crazy.

Like, you think men are bad now? 70s men? Oh my God, the holes that we were trying to fill in ourselves that would never be fixed. The whole thing of just like, you don't want to be sissy, you gay, I'm not gay. Yeah, that's all it was. That year the Reds went to the World Series, but they lost, but this is the very beginning of- Why didn't Pete just go in the dugout and beat some of them with a bat?

That's a good point. Charlie Hussle them. Not a sissy. Yeah. This however, it's the beginning of one of the great super teams in baseball, which would be nicknamed the Big Red Machine. OK.

So in 1972, the Reds made and lost their second World Series. And Pete was in a massive slump. He only hit 214. He had almost as many strike houses hits. OK. That October in Baltimore, federal agents He had almost as many strike houses hits. That October in Baltimore, federal agents raided the home of a famous maitre d' in little Italy.

What is that? It'd be great. They're like breaking the door down. He's like, and how many are you? I don't know if we can do 15. We'll do, I don't know. They found betting records and a notebook with the names of 11 pro umpires. Oh, man.

MLB brass and local officials spiked the story. Just a minor item, they said. And the case was closed before it got going. OK. In 1973, Pete is now pissed. He. That's a good is it just the seed you've tossed? Yeah, maybe he couldn't do shit in the playoffs. Okay. And now the Reds stink for the first half of the season. They're falling way behind the Dodgers, who's their main competitor. And Pete one day marches up to Dodger Ron say on the

field before a game. And Snarled quote, the only way you're going to beat us in September is if our fucking plane goes down. Jesus Pete. So he's fun. He's a fun guy. That's just being fun on the field. He's having a good time with your buddies.

Hey Pete, don't say that sort of shit dude. I'm a little like not into flying. Pete and the Reds go on a tear for the rest of the year and they beat the Dodgers in September. And then they're playing crash. Pete won his third batting title, his only MVP. He became the fifth position player in MLB history to win with five or fewer home runs. Wow. That is crazy. That's how good he is at contact hitting.

That's crazy. Yeah. So getting pissed and making his opponents pissed are part of his game at this point. It's how he plays the game. Sure. In the Nationally Championship series that year, the Reds played the Mets who had only finished

three games over 500. So they're in two different divisions. So the other division, they're not that good, but they won it. But the Reds win game one and the Mets win game two and then they're up nine to two in game three. Reds are? Yeah, no, the Mets are up nine to two in game three. Reds are. No, the Mets. The Mets are up nine to two in game three. And so the Reds have no chance to win that game. Just doesn't matter. They're not going to catch them. And Pete's furious.

So he tries to stop a double play by launching himself into second baseman, Bud Harrelson. So he's starting to take guys out physically. Taking a guy out, yeah. Sure. Yeah. Uh, he doesn't break up the play. He almost breaks Harrelson. Sure.

Who isn't happy. Uh, a lot of, a lot of sounds like sissy talk. Well, there's a, there's a line, there's breaking up a double play and then there's a dirty play. Sure. And they, he was like, that's a dirty play. So that's like that fine line when then they, then they start a dirty play. And he was like, that's a dirty play. So that's like that fine line when then they start fighting.

That's just clear. It's a for real brawl. You don't really see this anymore in baseball. The last one I remember was between the Cardinals and the Giants. And it was like, I want to say early 90s, and guys came out with broken ribs and shit. It went on and you're like,

my God, they're killing people down there. It's crazy to watch what happens. And punches are being thrown like crazy, and Harrison later bragged about stopping Pete Rose's fist with his face. Oh, Jesus. Dude, seriously, what the fuck? Isn't it, I mean, again, we're dealing with total psychopaths now, but the bravado of

I do believe that when people say, you know, there was, this is when there was lead in the gasoline and I do think that that is like a legitimate thing. Like it made people out of their fucking minds. Right. What's our excuse now? So Pete's not happy. The crowd isn't happy with him. And when he went back to the outfield play stop for 10 minutes at Shea Stadium, because the crowd was pelting him with everything they had. Okay. When an empty bottle of Jack Daniels sailed by his head, Pete picked it up and threw it right back into the crowd

Are you you're sneaking in a bottle of Jack Dave? I'm all over the place The same we're talking about everyone being made fun of for being a sissy and there's like physical abuse Happening and all that and then all of a sudden it's like but you can also you bring it in bottles of Jack Daniels empty bottles of Jack Daniels, empty bottles of Jack Daniels. Well, you emptied it in the city. Yeah, absolutely. And of course you're going to throw it

if you emptied a bottle of Jack Daniels. Logic. Jesus Christ, you can bring in fucking containers. So we used to just bring in a cooler. Oh yeah. And you'd put the fucking liquor in that, right? Oh yeah, I remember like when I was, seriously I was probably like 17.

A canteen is what I'm thinking of. But you could just bring, like, I had like a Sprite bottle and it was full of vodka and it was like, they'll never notice that. Right, that's right. And then you're shit-faced out of your mind. I mean, I actually do remember the throw-up I had the first time when I, this is a very Milwaukee day, but I snuck the vodka into County Stadium, drank most of the vodka, was so drunk I was sick, and then later that night at a bowling alley, I remember throwing up hot dog chunks coming out of my nostrils.

A very Milwaukee day. That's the song that ends every story. It was very true. Throwing up County Stadium hot dogs through your nostrils in a bowling alley. That should be like a little promo. You know, like they do. Yeah. That should be the Milwaukee.

Yeah. By the way, I've already told you, the more you know campaigns, it's really tough to watch now. And they ending the more you know with a Jenna Bush. I'm sorry. No. I know. So, the Mets had to come out of their dugout

to settle the crowd down because it's about to get fucking crazy. The Reds lose as they were always going to lose, but it lit up Pete. Now Pete is fired up. Because he's an enemy. Well, yeah. He's a bad boy. He gets going on it, right? Sure, he's a enemy. Well yeah, he gets going on it.

Sure, he's a villain. After the game he said quote, I'm no damn girl out there. I'm supposed to give the fans their moneys worth and try to bust up double plays and short stops. So he's just a fucking dick. He's a dick, he's a dick. There's a lot going on.

There's a lot going on there. There's a lot of society times and then there's a lot of personal Pete issues. Yeah. So game four is tense, it goes into extra lot of personal Pete issues. Yeah. It's a game for us tense. It goes into extra innings. Pete comes to bat. He knew the pitcher and he knew what to expect and he made the mistake of throwing the same

pitch twice. Okay. Even though he'd only hit five home runs all year, he crushed it and won the game. He hit 381 for the series. Didn't matter. The Mets still won the last two games and set the Reds packing. Wow.

So by 1974, Pete had begun running around on Carolyn, who was raising their two young kids. Her hair was probably less big. Yeah. Which is just, that's a turn off. Yeah, you gotta have, keep the hair big. If I meet you and you've got enormous hair. Keep it poofin'.

Sorry. Keep it poofin', Carrot Top. And she's home taking care of the kids. It's the classic fucking thing. A friend said Pete had a girl in every town. And when I say girl, Gareth, I mean girl. As early as 1973, Pete was calling a 14 or 15 year old girl regularly. She says they started sleeping together in 1974,

having sex with a 16 year old was technically legal in Ohio, but Gareth, she wasn't 16. And he couldn't wait. He couldn't wait. According to the victim, Pete repeatedly committed statutory rape and took her to states where the age of consent was 18. Gareth, that's trafficking.

Oh my God, that's... Carolyn knew what was going on and she begins distancing herself from Pete. I don't understand it. This is not going to be one of these clips that ages horribly when you find out that I text 15 year old women. I don't understand it. I don't understand. What about that?

I don't know. Let that. I don't know. Let's get friend of the show. Chris D'Alia on the whole stop it. Stop it. You see cries at the end of his last special. Did he? Yeah, because he feels bad. Good.

Are you serious? His dad. Dad went through a lot. What about the girls? Well, what about? His dad went through a lot. What about the girls? What about... Oh yeah, no. He convinced the teenager to get a tattoo of him.

Okay, well, dude... Oh really, dude? Okay. Whatever. So what? Those are good points. I mean... Yeah, no, it's a good point.

Well, nobody's trying to steal their Probably that sucks. Sorry that you get the fuck that the sorry but his dad Looks older his dad the guy who's already like a multi-millionaire And and used his power to get that piece of shit on every show and fucking TV. Okey dokey.

Ha ha ha ha. When Caroline, so Caroline's not mad, she goes on a local daytime talk show in Cincinnati. And the lady host is jokingly prodding her. Quote, I mean. So Pete bangs little girls. What's that like? Quote, I mean, he's not the type to be jealous of, is he?

Well, said Carolyn, wouldn't you be jealous? And the host tried to guide Carolyn to a nicer friendly answer. Quote, I mean, it's not like he runs around, the host said. Carolyn hesitates, well, she wasn't sure what she's, the host isn't sure what she's supposed to say next. No. Yeah. Well, nervous laughter breaks out on the set, which saves the moment.

I don't know if any moment got saved. You're reading it. I don't think a moment got saved. Well, it stopped. How's that? Sure. Here's the crazy thing about Pete. Well, there's a lot of crazy things about Pete, but when his personal life is falling apart, when things are getting worse, he plays better.

Yeah. I do get that. I guess I could see that. I get that. I wouldn't could see that. I get that. I wouldn't be like that. When the stalker was making me go crazy, it was like to actually have a zone where your brain could kind of leave that alone. It's locked in in a different way. Yeah, I get it.

In 1975, he led the league in doubles and runs. He was fifth in MVP voting. In the playoffs, he was even better. They swept the Pirates. Pete hit.357 leading his team in advanced stats and winning the NLCS MVP. They made the World Series for the third time in six years and would play a very good Boston Red Sox team. Red Sox win the first game. In the second game, Bill Spaceman Lee. Our boy. Had a two to one lead in the top of the ninth and he gave him a hit and Boston's manager

pulled him. The Reds then scored two runs and won the game. So it goes to game seven. Okay. Again, Bill Spaceman Lee has the lead. I feel like we've covered this outcome before on the show, but I still have no clue what happens. Three to zero in the sixth. Gareth, you don't even know what happened with 98% of the things on the show. So of course you're not going to know what happened in the game. First of all, don't love

your stats. Second of all, don't care for your attitude. Third, thought we were fucking being buddies and here you are stabbing your friend Fourth I don't even remember what one was. Yeah three zero lead in the six Pete's on first Johnny bench hit a double play ball to the shortstop Who flipped it to the second baseman? Right is Pete Rose is barreling into him. Jesus Christ Pete leave him be just like he Just like he did to Bud Harrelson and Ray Fossey. The second baseman leaped over Pete. That was very common back then. Sure.

To get out of it, you had to jump over people. Right. Running into you. Right. And sailed his throw into the Red Sox dugout. Johnny Bench goes to second. The inning would have been over if not for Pete's try hard dick move. Yeah. That isn't a Charlie Hussle move.

There's someone who's just like, my livelihood. I'm going to take this guy out. Spaceman's manager tells him not to throw his famous pitch, which is the EFIS curve. So the EFIS curve is cartoonishly slow. It's ridiculous. It makes hitters look really dumb because you're like, how could he not hit

that slowest pitch on earth? But they're so prepped for a fast pitch. And they're just not used to pitches that slow. Like the team still, you'll see it a lot in high school, they'll bring in a guy who throws really slow after a fast guy. Because you can't adjust. Fuck that, fuck him.

That's what Spaceman thinks. He's like, fuck that. This is a classic Spaceman. So he throws the ifas pitch. The guy waiting is waiting for it, and he hits a home run. OK. And anything later, Pete hit the game time single and scored the game winning run.

And the Big Red Machine finally won their first World Series. Charlie Hussle proved he could do it the playoffs. He was named the MVP. The Boston Globe couldn't stand the way he played sarcastically calling him the Reds, the Reds badge of courage and the Protestant ethic rounding third. The Protestant ethic rounding third is the first. The Protestant ethic? It's What the fuck? The Protestant ethic rounding third is the first. The Protestant ethic? It's the fucking, the Protestant work ethic. Oh, the Protestant work, so, right. Protestant ethic rounding third.

Right, so there's a. It's a great slam. So it's a pro-Catholic slant. Yeah. It's a great slam. Right, okay. Because the Protestant ethic has fucking partially destroyed the world.

Like, it's really bad. I don't agree. The Reds were the team of destiny that year, the next year, winning the World Series again, this time over the Yankees. But they would have never won that World Series if he hadn't taken out that guy at second. So he is rewarded.

Sure. And so that's the end of part one. Well, yeah. So that's the end of part one. Well, yeah, there's more to learn I guess, but it definitely seems like Charlie Hussle, there's a good amount of abuse in the game. And so far, a guy that I, I guess I always felt a modicum of sympathy towards Pete Rose and that's changed. Pretty quickly.

Pretty quickly. Yeah. This is Josh Androski did the research. Charlie Hustle, The Rise and Follow Pete Rose and The Last Glory Days of Baseball by Keith O'Brien. Charlie H and the matter of Peter is by Mark Monroe, the king, the hit king, Pete Rose and purgatory by Scott Rab and baseballreference.com. Well, there you go. Hang it on.

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