The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 683 - Pete Rose - part two

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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I want to make sure that we follow each other because then he's my friend too. Spring 1977, spring training. 1977? 1977, so Pete, Rose has just won, they've just won their first World Series against Boston Red Sox. It's big. It's big. Pete got the monkey off his back. He's good in the playoffs. He wins in the playoffs.

By the way, if I had a monkey on my back, I would definitely nurse it back to health and keep it. What if it was chewing through? Chewing through the back? Yeah. I'd find a way to make it realize that I was wrong. And then I'd put a little diaper on it, and I'd put him in the little outfits,

like little onesies, start an Instagram with him, Garf Man and the Monkey Boy, and we would just do a thing where we would lady in the Tramp's spaghetti. Yeah, he killed you a long time ago. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you make it stuff up. I'm not making stuff up You are one a tiny little spider monkeys a capuchin 100% gonna die for a monkey Oh

Name a worse name a name a worse death die from Rhino Super weird to be ready to say We went I went, Luke and I went and had a couple beers last night and they started doing bar trivia and bar trivia to me is flee. Yeah. Run. Because you have English nightmare feels. I just want to go.

Because you've been in pubs and you know. I just, anywhere where all of a sudden the vibe is taken over by a game that most people don't want to play. Luke, he goes, oh yes. And I go. It's like he's always wanted to do it. I go, what? He goes, we got to stay.

And I go, what the fuck? I go, no, this is like closing time. We leave. And no, this is like closing time. We leave. He's a smart guy, despite the fact that he's probably eating poop on the podcast. He's going through, and then one of the rounds is pictures of animals, like their feet, and you're supposed to pick those. So whatever, we do that round. And then the last round is idioms. And yeah, we got a number of them

wrong and Luke was furious. It was like the first time I was like, Oh, he is competitive. He was furious. And he wanted to go to start talking to the woman running the trivia, telling her why his answers are right Luke Luke it's amazing Yeah, he's got a little bit he's got a little Pete Rose in him as we yeah, he's got a little rose in him So 1977 spring training It's in Tampa, Florida where the Reds play their spring training. Spring training is where the baseball teams get ready for the season.

Yeah, they put the springs on their shoes and you got that's where Pete met Terry Rubio. She's staying in the same hotel as Pete. His wife and his kids hit. Yeah. Okay. And she's hot. Sure. Quote nine and a half out of ten. Yeah, it's don't know

Yeah, don't know. It's such a weird he he's quoted as saying that or one of the teammates did sure Probably him sure but uh, yeah, why don't you just go ten? Yeah Look if you're gonna just go purely physical give her the day look, you know what she is? She's a 9.89 out of 10. She's a half shy of totally high. She's so close. God, baby, you were right there. You're not gonna do it. You know what? You need your big poofy hair.

By the way, I mean, coming from guys who look like Neanderthals. I know, that's the thing. You're close to perfect. Hey, look at me, I look like Neanderthals. I know that's the thing. You're close to perfect. Hey, look at me, I'm like a thumb. Yeah. So Terry thought it's all okay. It's the 70s and the Roses had an agreement, right? Why else would he be doing it?

Carolyn got to be Mrs. Rose while Pete gets to have a little fun on the side. You know, it's an arrangement. Gareth, there's no such agreement. I would assume, assuming that is strange. Yeah. Being like, oh, he's cheating. His wife must be cool with it.

No. Terry and Pete slept together in Tampa and regularly throughout the season, he made no attempt to hide it from anyone, including his team. When he wanted her to join him on the road, he had her book flights directly through the team travel secretary. That does not surprise me though. I'm sure they do that all the time, right?

That does not surprise me. I mean, you're kind of going, you know, whatever. I mean, that's like, what is he going to do? Book his own travel? This is the 70s. It is so much harder to book your own travel in this. How the fuck you book travel unless through a travel agent in the seventies, he's going to leave a paper trail. There's no, what did you do?

You'd go to the fucking airport. One, please. You could just get the fuck out of here. I'm talking about, hello. I'd like to buy a fly somewhere. Yeah. I mean, you would just call it. What would you just call it? The only way to do is to call a travel agent. That business. There was definitely some guy who was like, price line. That won't last. I actually thought maybe it would be easier to use a travel agent when we first started.

And I was like, all right, there's one on my town. And I called them up and had them do it. And it was so much worse and so much more expensive. It was terrible. I was just like, why do people do this? I don't know. We actually were completely flat-footed. We did not expect this phone to ring.

Have you heard of Priceline? Yeah, exactly. It's potentially going to one of those sites. Quote, she stayed in Pete's hotel room, mingled with the other wives and the press. Son bathed next to manager Sparky Anderson at hotel swimming pools and cheered Pete all the way to the World Series again. Terry was in New York in October when the Reds faced the Yankees again to win their

second championship in a row. She was in a hotel room at the New York Sheridan while Carolyn was in another room. It was brazen even by ball player standards. Terry was worried about running into Carolyn in the lobby, but P seemed to get off on pushing the limits. Terry's family also was into pushing limits, especially her dad. Famed Florida bookie, Ralph Rubio. Oh shit. Here we go.

Now you know how they met. Yeah. Okay. Right didn't bump into each other in the fucking hotel. She was taking bets or whatever. Right? I don't know. Yes. Come on. It seems strange. It? I don't know. Yes. Come on. It seems strange. It's very coincidental. I'm still caught up on the fact that is he supposed to book her in another hotel? I mean, that is a huge pain in the ass. Oh no. If you're going to cheat on your wife, you know, just do a different floor. Yeah. Yeah. That's all you do. Yeah, you just do different floors.

I mean, I guess you could, yeah. New York. I just can't imagine the stress. World Syria, oh, the stress. Oh my God. Truly, like, you know, not cheating, part of it is based on just decency and respect for a relationship.

Yeah. The other part is, I would just be sitting there the whole time. It would just be like one night I'd be like, I got my deck sucked. It's exactly why I don't murder people. Yeah. Me too. I never murder anyone. What? That's just the way you said it. It was the tongue. What do I never I never murdered it. I never never have I ever Done something like that. What? Taking a guy had taken a man's life because he's because of The way that I saw it playing out long term to my advantage

Why would it play out to your advantage Mind games with someone who I need to get control over. I haven't done it. You have done it? Have not done it. Listen clearly. You even... What? Let's just go on.

Yeah, I'm ready to go on. At some point we're going to have to talk about this. And by the way, it's possible, just so everyone knows, you can take someone's life and still miss it. You know what? Next time we meet Roger, our counselor, we'll talk about this. I'd love to talk about it with Roger. And bring up the picture of your dad.

A picture of my dad? Yeah. So he sees him. You know what I saw him as? Just save it for Roger. Yeah, that's fine. Just a great, he's a great man. Okay in 19 greater than you Were you part of the sons of the Western Front?

Sons of the Western Front Sons of the Western Front by the way when your dad's up there with that little uniform on give it that speech Yeah, I'm gonna get any of them knew that he had a fart chair. Nobody knew. That was the great secret. It's like a rosebud. Same deal. Yeah.

Revealing rosebud like fart chair. I mean, fart chair at the end of the, like you're watching it. It's just like, what the fuck? What? What's going on? Look, if you push it here. Yeah. I mean, it's like a little, it's like a little, it's like a little, it's like a little, it's

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1977 Terry got pregnant. Oh boy on top of that. She was being followed Hmm. Well most women who are pregnant are. But she's also the daughter of a big time bookie. Sure. Right. So she already knew a thing or two and Terry knew almost instantly she was being tailed and watched. Sure. One of her father's friends at the Sheriff's Office looked into it and confirmed it. It was a former New York City cop turned private eye. Okay. His client? No.

Major league baseball. Oh, okay. Because Pete had been making phone calls to Terry from the clubhouse. Many just before games began. What the fun? That's also weird. Well, that's very consistent with the behavior of someone who is betting on baseball. There we go Terry denied and

Makes the story go away. Okay Pete is very glad to be rid of the story He's also happy to be rid of Terry. He didn't want another wife or another kid like cuz she got pregnant. He's like, okay So what is what is now? It's. Oh wait. I'm here to fuck around. She's still pregnant. Not have another, okay, but like I don't want that. I just want to play ball and fuck around. Yeah, well you should have done that. So the decision has been made to have a baby by you and me.

But not a family. Well, but a baby, you're not gonna. You can do that over there. It's yours. It was. Is. Not anymore. Remains.

To be. I'm going to take you out at second. What are you talking about? Yeah, I'm going to slide you so fucking hard. No, you're not. No, you're not. I'm going to slide you so fucking hard. No, you're not.

That would be a solution. So I decided to charge her at the belly. Yeah, so he doesn't want another family. The whole point of fucking around is to fuck around. Then it gets serious, right? That's his thinking. That's his thinking. Yeah, it's really bad. But also, he just met a cocktail waitress named Carol with, quote, the best ass in Cincinnati.

First of all, that's still not the best ass. I know, but when they gave out that award. Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the singing of our national anthem. He would send Terry Payments for his illegitimate child, a daughter, and then he went on his way. By the way, you know when that kid was born, it started from the fucking sternum, just that head of steam when it came out. Rocked out, yeah, took out the doctor.

Just ran through, ran, ran Yeah, took out the doctor. Just ran through. Just takes out the doctor. The doctor drops the forceps. Is it a boy or girl? It's a rose. Oh, it's all hustle. Don't do that. The noise. Don't you see how I did my hands? It's too much. It's just the sound. Yeah, but it's not necessary.

It's like listening to someone go through a plasma stargate. Okay. So Carolyn puts a, she put up with a lot, but Pete's, the Pete's with the young girls run around with a cocktail, which is named Carol, which is very close to her name. That's also having a kid with another woman. It's all a bit much. It's all a bit much. Some lines have been crossed.

So one day at a concession stand, Fawn and, that's his daughter, and Carolyn see Carol, and she's wearing a diamond necklace, which Carolyn recognized, and it's something Pete bought for her and she marched over and ripped it off. So wait, he pawned? She just saw it and she realized like that's exactly Pete's style. Style of buying. And she ripped it off and she was like this is mine because he bought it with our money and Carol was

just like uh- huh. Yeah. So Pete and Carolyn now separate. And- Some women just aren't cut out for relationships. Yeah, no, they can't. If you can't- They're very, and we say this is too cis white men, but women just sometimes can't handle what we do.

Which is just, we're incorrigible little scamps who are going to do whatever we want. I see hole, me go in. This is- Come on now, would is just we're incorrigible little scamps. We're going to do whatever we want. And I see whole me go in this. Come on. Would you just stop? You read the terms and conditions of this deal. You make a good point. Yeah.

Excuse me. This thing go bigger. Now me use it to go. Go big. Go in. Me go bigger. Me go in questions later. Shut up.

Stop texting. So so they're separated. Pete moves into a friend's spare room. How the fuck can he not afford his own spot? That's a good question. It's amazing to be like. Whatever, so obviously Pete is gonna start playing better now. Right, because he's got controversy, he's self-motivating.

He now gets his 3000 hits. So only 13 players in the history of baseball had done it. That's crazy. He also took a run at the most sacred record in baseball, Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, which is going to be his penis, which is sacred. It's considered to be the record that will never be broken. 56 game hitting streak. Yeah. Okay. Um, but I mean, he was so used to carrying a bat around in his pants all the time. Thank you.

So he was very at home just fucking hit. Yes. Any athlete would be distracted by what's going on at home and his family falling apart. But Pete just gets locked in. He's making history. He passes the National League 37 game hitting streak, and the country's going crazy. Every team Pete faces, especially their owners, are thrilled. They congratulate him.

They thank him because he's filling the whole stadium up. It's like McGuire bonds. Yeah. It's just packing stadiums. He's making them tons of money. When he got to Atlanta, he shouted to the stadium workers, quote, you're going to love me after tonight. Well, actually, you know, this job sort of sucks.

Yeah, I make the same if I sell nine hot dogs at 50. It's called an hourly wage man who has no capability of relating to commoners. I sell hot dogs you fuck. You guys are gonna be happy today. Well you guys mow this grass after I'm gone, huh? I know every time I leave a comedy club my last word is you're, I just go, you're welcome.

You're welcome. So the atmosphere is electric. Braves fans booed their own pitchers when they threw outside. Oh yeah, but by the way, that is shitty. I get it. You want him to face the guy, throw him pitches. Yeah. Yeah.

I also liked how they have to signal for it. They're like, be lame. Yeah. Be lame, coulda be lame. Be lame. Players on the home team were literally buckling at the knees under the pressure. Be lame. Yeah. Be lame. Could be lame. Be lame. Players on the whole team were literally buckling at the knees under the pressure. In the sixth inning, Pete hit a ground ball past a diving second baseman and the stadium

exploded. The streak was up to 44 games. And the record's 56. 56. I remember this. Yeah, right. The next day, Pete ran into something you cannot out hustle, and that is bad luck. He hit two really hard line drives,

one right to third base, and one that led to a highlight reel catch by a career minor league pitcher. He couldn't believe what he'd done. He's just like looking at his glove. The inning ended, and the pitcher's just staring dumbfounded at his glove, and Pete has one last chance, one last to bat. Against Braves closer.

Why didn't he just run into the pitcher when he caught him? Good question, good question. It is a good question. It just seems like the logical move. It is a good question. Attack him and say, oh, I was sliding into mound. Let me ask you a baseball question. Please, finally.

If you're on base at first and you're going to second, can you run to the outfield fence? As like a detour? Yeah. I don't believe you can. I believe there is a little bit of, I think they keep you zoned in a little. You can run to the outfield fence. No, you can't.

Yes, you can. So you can. You make your own base path. You could. So wherever you go, you just have to go back. So when you run to the outfield fence and then a second. Has anyone ever been the funniest baseball player of all? Because if there's a guy on third, you can distract the team

by running the outfield fence and then they don't know what to do. The footage of this. I don't know if it's ever happened in a pro game, but it's definitely not been in the movies. I would just be doing that regularly. My dream is to coach a high school team and just do trick plays the whole time and fuck with everybody. This movie should be made.

It would be so fun. Trick daddy. Just make the old guys so mad. Watch that Bush league, we don't do that. Well, I just did it motherfucker. You can't bat with a tennis racket. mad. That's that Bush league. We don't do that. Well, I just did it motherfucker. He can't bat with a tennis racket. So he has one last chance, one last about to, to continue the history.

And the Braves closer is Jean Garber and Jean is an honoree type. He had just been traded from the Phillies who could go on to win the World Series to the Braves who are fucking terrible. So he's bummed. Like last year, there was a guy who was on, I think the Dodgers and he got traded to the White Sox. The Dodgers go on to win the World Series. The White Sox are the historically worst. I think they had the worst record in the history of baseball. So it's like that. Like you're just bummed. You're fucking bummed. Wow. So it's like that. Like you're just, yeah, you're fucking bombed. Now, at least he'd have a chance to go against the former MVP. So this is like his world. Yeah. It's one, one of bats is his world series. Millions of people watching in the country, wherever

you are, they cut into whatever TV show you're watching to show the at bat. You know, can we just say how it must have been really easy for Caroline right now? I mean, I think we're forgetting about how this probably just made her life a lot easier. Watching the watching the philanderer who you've attached your existence to be treated as a hero every time he does this dumb sport thing. They would cut in when he was also fucking Carol. We now go live to Pete Rose, who's about to finish on her tits.

That got weird. Why? I was talking about that making love and you took it to a very dirty place. So. Excuse me, sorry. How do you end coitus? F- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Sorry, how do you end coitus?

Exactly. Face? We're all aiming face. This podcast is a disaster. You've lost so many listeners. It's the Pete Rose episode. That's true. Yeah, so it's cutting in. So there's millions and millions of people watching

just to show this at bat. Two outs in the bottom of the ninth. Okay. And it's cutting in. So there's millions and millions of people watching, just to show this at bat, two outs in the bottom of the ninth. And it's his World Series. It's the pitcher's World Series, like we said. Now the one thing he knows is he can't walk him, because people would lose their fucking minds. And they'd remember him forever. But he's a breaking ball pitcher.

So that means the ball moves a lot and is slower right not just fast yeah I'm not trying to overpower guys it's moving to trick them fastballs are the most likely to hit the strike zone garbers fastballs is the least reliable pitch so he's going to throw junk as it's called he got pete to a two and two count with a change-up and then he does what nobody ever Fucking does to Pete Rose ever he throws the exact same pitch twice in a row. Oh dear and Pete can't help it. He swings too soon and Garbert jumps up and does a massive fist pump

He took out the mighty Pete Rose. Wow the streak Wow Garbert jumps up and does a massive fist pump. He took out the mighty Pete Rose. He ended the streak. Now you'd think that someone who hustled and tried and worked as hard as Pete Rose, someone who ended an opponent's career at a meaningless exhibition game by just taking him out, would respect the duel that he just lost. Mono a mono. You took me on.

You beat me. No. He called the change of quote a bastard pitch. He wanted the fact. He wanted the easiest pitch to hit. He wanted a fastball. That's not how it works, pitch. Why do you lose?

There is a lot of that where it's like, you cannot complain about how someone beat you. If you lost within the rules of what are we going to do? You fuck you lost. He got, he got, that's what I was in your battery. The pitcher out thought you. Yeah. Bastard pitch. He said he hoped Garber pitched again the next night. So not so he get a hit off him, but so he could smash a line and drive directly back at Garber's head. It doesn't matter, bro. I'm fucking lost. Pete and his friends in the press made sure he was still the hero and Garber was the villain. 40 years later, Garber still has to defend why he tried to be good at baseball from fans who only heard Pete's side of the story. Quote,

people don't let me forget it or go to sleep at night without remembering. Oh, God. It's well, like you're saying, it's just the what sport does to us is truly, it's just baffling. There's also, there's a level of entitlement also with some of these guys, which we saw play out in the NFL Draft. Yeah. There's a level of entitlement that some of these guys have that is crazy.

Like you're living in Pete Rose's world. He's not living in a world with a bunch of other people. So you're supposed to do the thing that helps him. Yeah. Elon Musk disease. Yeah. What do you mean? Nothing, the thing that helps him. Yeah. Elon Musk disease. Yeah. What do you mean? Nothing.

I just like the cars. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's great. He invented tests. He invented cars. He knows what he's doing. He invented cars. He's going good.

And rockets. He wore two hats today. Yeah. It's like cool. It's goofy. Boo. But here's the thing that happened with this hitting streak. It brought his family back together.

What? Because they had to reunite to go to the White House to meet Jimmy Carter, and he can't let the kids miss out. I bet I know what that sounded like. Well, so we're very excited to have Pete Rose here today. They call it the Rose Garden, but I call it the Pete Rose Garden. Well, he's here today it the Pete Rose Garden. I was here today,

the Pete Rose Garden. I understand he tried to have sex with someone from the White House press corps while he was here with his family. That's Jimmy Carter. Oh, that's Jimmy Carter? Yes. I thought it was like a feminine woman from Tennessee. No, it's a man. I'm the president, I'm soft spoken. I put solar panels on the White House, Jay.

You're like, hey, maybe if I had done a little bit more, you would not be living in a nightmare. It's great to get inside Garret's mind and know what he remembers about Jimmy Carter. I know a lot about him. Ask me a question. Ask me a question. What's his wife's name? Rosalind. Oh shit.

Oh, that just happened. Allow me to take my cock out. That'll teach you. No, no. Yeah. So you thought you're smarter than me. I know I'm smarter than you. No.

What's my wife's name? Exactly. Bridget. You're an idiot. I thought you're smarter than me. I know I'm smarter than you. No. What's my wife's name? Exactly. Bridget. Are you the idiot? So he's not going to show up to the White House

without the kids, because that would be weird for visual reasons. And then on the trip, Carolyn and Pete reconcile. By the way, Carolyn and Pete reconcile. By the way, I got a good feeling. Yeah, this is going to go. I think this is going to be okay. This is going to be a 56 game. He's learned a lesson.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he moves back home. He seems pretty happy. Sure. He seems pretty happy. They always are, Dave, trust me. When they move back in, Dave, they're happy. Here's the big problem though. Reds have a new team president.

He is not like Pete Rose as a player, but more importantly, as a person. He's a piece of shit? He thought Pete's gambling and womanizing and just general state of Pete were a distraction to the team. And the fact that Pete's play was starting to slightly decline made it worse. He thought Pete would still be at the top of his game if he was on the straight and narrow. The timing of this... Well, Pete's contract is up. He wants to stay in Cincinnati where he lived his entire life,

but he's like, if I have to go somewhere else to play baseball, get what I deserve, then I'll do it. And now Kurt Flood, we talked about a previous episode, his thing has happened and players have won free agency right around this time. So he can sign with whatever team he wants now that his contract's up, and Pete is going to be one of the best players,

best paid players in baseball, but he also wants to go to a team that's going to win the World Series. Sure. He turns down the Royals, which they, part of the deal was to offer him a stake in the owner's oil fields. Oh my gosh, she's disgusting.

Oh my god. Oh, God. Jesus. Oh my God. Playing for the Royals to get oil. The Braves offered him, part of their offer was 100,000 a year pension for the rest of his life. That's a great offer. He even turned down a Budweiser distributorship.

A Budweiser, what? And also racehorses, he turned down racehorses. What about money? Anyone got money? Well, he does. He joins the Philadelphia Phillies for less money because they're actual contenders. Okay.

But he doesn't ask. And you get a bunch of go-karts. He doesn't ask Caroline. Sure. He just does it. Now, she has to operate. Well, what is he supposed to do? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha That's going to go. Okay. You be him. I'll be her. Okay. I'm probably going to fill it off.

He looks like the place I'd think. I'm comfortable here. It's all about me. See, that's why I don't tell her. You just go. That's why you, by the way, if I can put a little you blow darter, you blow darter. Let me explain it. If you give me a minute and then she wakes up in Philly.

It's fine. It's fine It's fine. It's not the fact that she said in the second that you're open. Hold on. It's not how she gets there You don't know that it's living there It's not like if she wakes up there. She's like, oh great. That's yeah, let me finish You create a neighborhood that is very much like the one she just left and she doesn't ever know the difference Why do you seem to frustrate is thing that I've ever heard from this is how marriages should work What is it sounds like you're making the Truman show? Okay

Great movie. Yeah. Yeah, it is a great movie. Yeah Okay, so But a great movie. Yeah. Yeah. It is a great movie. There you go. Okay. So she's up for her whole life. That's where she lived all of her life. She had three major concerns. One, if that whore Carol is going to be there. Okay. Two, hoping the other wives on the Phillies would like her.

Okay. And three, if Philadelphia had a Kmart. Because I got great news about the third one. Carolyn was known for being the only person in Cincinnati who would roll up to Kmart in a Rolls Royce. Oh my God. Jesus Christ. What's happening? I don't know. Yeah, I get it. Sometimes I drive my Hyundai to Dollar General just to see my company. Do K-Mart's even exist anymore? Are they gone?

There's like a couple. Yeah. They're hanging on there. Yeah. Barely. It's like a Chuck E. Cheese or a Blockbuster. Yeah. At spring training, seven year old,

a little Pete Jr. was wandering around the hotel room with his glove and ball. He's looking for someone to play with. Just wanted to find someone to play baseball with. And there's a college team from Massachusetts there. Tommy Giosa was a very nice, very nice kid. And he thought, why not make this young boy's afternoon? So they played for a few hours.

A few hours? I don't know, let's just say some hours. And then when the bus is pulled in from the stadium, Pete Jimmert Jr. grabs Tommy's hand and ran him up to his room to introduce him to his mom and dad. I love the setup. And all of a sudden Tommy is standing face to face with his favorite baseball player who he made, he modeled his whole game after, it's Pete Rose, the guy, his hero.

I killed the second baseman. I've been fucking around just like you do. It's awesome. I looked at it, I went to the showers, I looked at an old guy's dick. Yeah, you're my Joe DiMaggio. So Pete is genuinely moved by Tommy for paying attention to his son.

And they. I thought Pete was going to be threatened by him. No. They struck up an unlikely friendship. OK. And Pete liked feeling young. And Tommy likes being friends with Pete Rose. So pretty soon Tommy is going with Pete and the Cuban

on triple headers. We never learned more about the Cuban. I don't want to. I don't either. It's enough. It's perfect the way it is. He's like an apparition. So horse racing, dog racing, and highlight.

This guy was just like, I don't know. Then Tommy was coming to Cincinnati to visit and hang out with Pete Jr. and Pete thought, hey, Tommy's a good time. Why doesn't he just stay here with us? Why doesn't he just stay? And while we're at it, why not get Tommy into the farm system of the, just get him into the farm system, the baseball team.

So Pete pulled some strings and got Tommy a spot as a minor leaguer for the Orioles. Orioles, O-R-I-E-L-S. I think it's a Philly farm team. Okay. Sure. So the shitty Orioles. Yeah.

Yeah. At home, Pete gives odd jobs to Tommy. A little work here and there. And put a bunch of holes in the ceiling. Like running bets to bookies. Okay. Coordinating Pete's girls in the cities and each team he's playing in. And once, sneaking out early in the morning and disposing of a newspaper with a front

page story about Pete's baby mama, Terry, filing a paternity suit. What the fuck? Pete is thinking is so short-sighted. The idea that you can just get rid of the paper gets rid of the news? What kind of like... It's so like old cartoony. Yeah, like if you...

It's like bad TV show thinking. If that not... You need to be like, find every one of her friends and get rid of their papers too. Just get rid of their papers too. Just get rid of the papers, you will know. Gareth.

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He's not a very smart guy. Sometime in the past few months, Pete stopped paying Terry for their daughter. Okay. Everybody knew that Morgan Rubio was Pete's daughter. But Pete seemed to think that he just didn't need to pay for her anymore because he just didn't need to pay for her anymore because he just didn't want to do it. Sure. So is that, is it not kind of

like you don't want to, then you don't, you don't do it. Yeah. He said he has nothing to do with this kid. That's a good dad. But Terry is not the kind of lady who just takes it right. She's just, yeah, she's a fucking bookie's daughter. She's not going to. So for once in a nice Pete, Pete has to face consequences. And Terry went to the press saying, quote, when you have a strong hand, you play it to the hilt and you don't fold.

A few weeks later, Terry went to the spring training hotel and approached a sunbathing Caroline and introduced her to her husband's illegitimate daughter. This is sexy. This is how... This is... Well, this is the sort of thing too where it's like, you know, when you used to watch those like Jerry Springer and it'd be like, it is the two, the two people who have no beef with each other and really have beef with the

person in the middle and they fight each other. It's like, this is all Pete's fault. Yes. Everything is bad, but they're just now it's like, all right, Carolyn, this is what you get for marrying a perfect man. Up care, Caroline's shocked, mortified. Terry said she later felt bad, but she wanted Pete to know how little bullshit was she going to put up with. And she was going to ruin his life if he ruined hers. Pete got the message and he said,

it was very quickly after that. It was a good try, Pete. What do you think was going Pete. Samantha Stevenson successfully sued to allow female reporters into post-game locker rooms so they could do their jobs just like men do. The big issue was that the athletes were naked and they were women. That's kind of the whole issue. Sure. After she won, multiple players wives would physically try and prevent her from entering the locker rooms, blocking the entrances. Okay. Can't see my husband's dick. Yeah. That's the women he's fornicating with behind my back for the 15 year old girl

in Florida. Excuse me. Samantha was tapped by Playboy to write one of its prestigious interviews with Pete. Um, so if you're, if you're, if any playboy interview in the seventies with a man was pretty bad, but yes, but they were like some of the biggest interview, like a huge playboy interview was like huge Bob Dylan, uh, the governor, Jerry Brown, Muhammad Ali, like huge people huge people did these things. Yeah. So the person that- It also gave husbands the ability to say,

I get it for the articles for a long time. 100%. The person interviewed the month prior was Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb. Nice. Pete, he's usually a step ahead of reporters or sways them in a way, but he's a little blindsided. Stevenson quote, Carolyn told us that she has called you on the road and not been able

to find you. She said she presumes you were screwing around. She seems to make a joke out of it. Rose, well, she wouldn't make a joke about it, but she'll take it. She won't say nothing. She knows what I like for her to say and not to say. Uh. Ah!

Ah! Ah! Okay. Hey, anyway, this is why we have PR people. Ah! Ah! Ah! Wow!

You just hear the gunshot of a PR person behind it. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So he's clearly flshot of a PR person. Yeah. Wow. So he's clearly flustered. He did not expect this. Even if you're flustered, you come up with a better answer. Oh my God.

She shuts up and takes it. She fucking knows when to shut her goddamn mouth. Yeah. You just be like, oh yeah, we tease each other. It's fun. Uh, so he's very upset. He goes on to attack Stevenson for doing post-game locker room interviews. Quote, tell me, how does it feel to have all this

cock staring in your face? Does it make you embarrassed? Do you like it? So that doesn't go, that's not a great interview for him. Jesus Christ. Just. What a go-to. By the way, the idea that you're just like, we can't figure out how to not have our penises

out. Unfortunately, we're going to be unable to have women in here because our penises have to be out the whole time. What sort of weird shit is that? Also, can I just say, I don't want to walk around with my dick out around just guy reporting. Oh my God, dude. Who wants their dick out all the time. I remember being the scarring that happened to me

when I accidentally walked into the YMCA adult locker room when I was a child. No, it's terrifying. I mean, it's just like, honestly. Put your pick away. Look, I don't know what it's like in, I just can tell you that the worst people on earth are the men in the men's locker room

who wanna walk around naked and do everything with their dick out. Like the guy's like, I'm gonna do some sit ups on the floor here with my cock out. And you're like, oh cool. Yeah, you can put on underwear before you go to do your hair. Yeah, I mean, honestly, throw on a, put on some shorts.

Yeah, so that, I mean, that's what we're talking about. Like they just wanna walk around with their day. Why they felt like, yeah, they were. They didn't want women in there. And that's a fucking silverback thing around like reporters who aren't athletes. Right. You want to walk around, be like, yeah. Although I do feel now I feel sorry for the athlete. I was a little one. Well, I mean, yeah.

Well, I mean, he was probably chubbin up. There's definitely. Oh, yeah. I bet they work it a little bit before they come out What is that like though? I don't know. It's so fucking weird. It's just whole penis culture locker room penis culture It's very weird, but you know, this is a very competitive Masculine hyper masculine. Yeah Anyway, um, the Maggio though the Maggio that guy had guy had a, I mean, it was like a root cellar. Looked like he was absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. He had a shower for him and one for that anaconda. Uh, so Pete's new mistress, Carol, the bartender, great ass, great assassin, uh, since she's in Philly and Carolyn knew because she saw Carol driving near the family home and a Porsche, it looked familiar. The reason why it looked familiar? Their Porsche.

It's Carolyn's car. Interesting. So Pete has a thing. Pete's really dumb. While even if you're the other woman, wouldn't you not want to drive the car? Does she know? I bet she doesn't know.

I bet she doesn't know he's re-gifting. While the Porsche was stopped at a light, Carolyn calmly approached the driver's side, opened the door. I don't know if it was a calm approach. It's like Grand Theft Auto, right? I don't know if it's a calm approach. And punched the shit out of her husband's mistress. No longer a calm approach.

Right in the mouth. Just starts punching her in the mouth. Jesus Christ. It's hot. No. It's right in the mouth, just starts punching in the mouth. Jesus Christ. It's hot. No. It's hot. When the Phillies went on their next road trip, Carolyn packed up her things,

taken Fawn and Pete Jr. and went back to Cincinnati. Okay. As soon as she got there, she called the lawyer and filed for divorce. Pete started playing better. Dude, come on, divorce me like, divorce me 10 times. Please. I'm going to be the batting champion of the world.

I slept with your mom. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha exactly. I don't know what part of the year, but 468 for 80 for a month. That's insane. Shocking. If you don't understand, whatever, 400 means you hit 4 out of 10 times. To be hitting almost 50% of the time you're up is insane. I think it's one or two guys that have hit over 400. That means you're getting on base, just to be clear. Philly's won the World Series. The team's best player, Mike Shit, credited Pete Schmidt, credited Pete for his leadership.

Pete hit 400 in the NLCS. He got six hits in the World Series. He's a champion, third time champion. Yeah, I mean, look, on the field. Yeah. Great. Yeah, on the field, great. Three weeks after Carolyn filed for divorce,

Pete got an invite to appear on NFL Today pregame show. Sure, talk baseball, but this is an NFL show, and at the time, they had a guy on there every week called Jimmy the Greek, and he would handicap games. So he was like the guy in Vegas who did the betting stuff. Yep. Yeah, he was one of the first guys who was like, this is my lack of the week.

So Jimmy the Greek is not there that week. So Pete is filling in, and Pete picks Buffalo to beat the Bears. Falcons over Green Bay, Nuneu going to beat Detroit. Host Brett Musburger is pleasantly surprised at Pete's expertise. Quote, where did you get all that stuff? And Pete smiled, I follow football pretty good. After Pete sat with the hosts in front of a wall of TVs with every single game on. It's magical. An unforgettable thing. Quote, a gambler's delight.

1983, 42, 42 years old. His play is diminishing obviously. Philly's made the World Series again, but for the first time in his career, he watched from the dugout because he was benched. He couldn't hack into the big leagues. Also his little buddy Tommy and Gioza could not hack it in the minors. Tommy like Pete, too small. He tried hard. Pete said he played like he's quote, pouring gasoline on himself while running through hell. Sorry, we're complimenting the gentleman?

That's good. Like you're poor gas, if you're going through hell, you pour gas on yourself. Sure. And then you fucking run. Okay, seems a little... You fucking run. Okay. But it's not the 60s now, it's the 80s.

Things have changed. Non-white people are playing for one. That's tough. So remember, in the... Yeah, so it went from like, you had to be the best black player to play and all the smaller roles are filled by white guys and now more black guys are. Now you've got to be the best white guy to play. Yeah, it's hard.

Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. So all those little, so whatever. So there's more, there's more non whites, a non athletic little white guy could no longer hack it in the majors, just on effort. And Tommy was cut and he went back to Cincinnati. Back to Pete's condo and his old job is the doorman of the bar where Carroll used to waitress.

But he's going to get bigger after this. He's going to get bigger and stronger. Tommy is. Yeah. Sure. So the bartenders helped him out. Bartender there pulled out a syringe and told Tommy to pull down his pants. The steroid results were almost immediate.

Sure. Instead of benching 135, he was up to 400. Holy shit. Can I just say 135 is so little. Yeah. That's like mine. Finn bench is like 200. It's like mine.

400 is crazy though. 400's shocking. That's like mine. Finn bench is like 200. It's like mine. 400 is crazy. 400 is shocking. 400 is crazy. But those roid numbers are really... Back then, roids were like, now you could kind of hide them a little bit. But back then it was like, like you popped. Yeah, people, yeah. No, you had to be very careful. You couldn't, you had to try to make it gradual. You couldn't like three weeks later be like, yeah, I could lift a building. You couldn't you had to try to make it gradual you couldn't like three weeks later be like yeah, I could lift a building So he feels invincible he's hooked on steroids He gets a real steroid dealer a handsome man who would rip off his shirt just by flexing his muscles. Yeah, Paul Jansen Maybe you should get a but just just thinking logically. Maybe it go up a size Yeah, no, I don't I mean, it it's just, do you need to have a.

I think you keep doing it until you don't have shirts. Yeah, I don't know. And then you're that guy. Yeah. You're a shirt guy. Sure, yeah. Pete was only 10 hits shy of 4,000. Wow.

How many people, that's low. I think two. Wow. At this time, 201 away from Ty Cobb's all time record of most hits in baseball history. Another great guy. He used to get 200 in a season, but now that might take years. And who wanted to have a middle-aged hitter who couldn't hit?

A first baseman, no range. The only team to offer him a contract was the Montreal Expos, but they mostly want his name, not to play. Because you can probably pay him enough that you can make up the salary in t-shirt sales. In 1983, the Cincinnati Reds were at their lowest point in 40 years. Dick Wagner, the GM who pete out out also drove out the rest of the team They're losing so much that attendance has dropped a half what it was and

This really pissed off the chain smoking used car salesman racist part owner Marge shot, ah Friend of show I Would love to do an episode about her, but how many times can you use the term N-word? Oh man, I would really, I think our audience and we would really love to hear. It's always comfortable. Quote, Marge had deep Cincinnati roots, old German money, an undying love for large St. Bernard dogs, a knack for being the loudest

person in the room, and a penchant for saying all the wrong things. In Marge's parlance, Jewish people were sneaky Jew bastards, Asian people were Japs, black athletes were million-dollar N-words, and Dick Wagner was a buffoon and idiot who deserved to be mocked in the public square. Oh Christ. She was just the worst human being. Yeah. Yeah.

Was she born into money? Yeah. Yes, this is what happened. I know her husband was part owner and then he died and that's how she got what she got. So maybe she married into it. She hired me right in the Department of Education. She was right there.

She hired a prop the department of education. She hired a prop plane to fly over the stadium with images of the big red machine greats, Tony pros, Joe Morgan and Pete that said Tony, Pete, Joe help love March. The fucking crazy to decide to pull that on your own team. Well, she's part owner. so she's not all the control. She planned an I Hate Dick Wagner night at the ballpark with a local radio host raising money from fans for another Skyward banner, this one reading,

Pete Rose forever, Dick Wagner never. Jesus Christ. So the rest of the ownership finally comes around. To the Pete. Well, they have a meeting and they decide- We can't fire Dick. As her giant St. Bernard was pissing on the floor, St. Bernard's name was Shotzi, they decide to fire Dick Wagner.

And they brought in the old GM from the big red machine days and he knew how to fill seats. So they're really, her great plan is just like, go back to what it was like. Yeah, to when. Do the exact same thing from before. They're all fucking old. Yeah, they're old. They needed Pete Rose.

He can't play though, so he's not good enough to play. Right. They killed two birds with one stone by getting rid of their old manager too. Pete is about to be baseball's last player manager. Whoa. The last middle-aged man who could justify wearing a uniform in the dugout.

Wow. So Pete's back in Cincinnati. And he's coaching? He's coaching, he's a player manager. Oh my God. He married Carol, he bought a big house, has another kid, he seems to be straightening out his life. Sure.

I can't believe he's in charge of both. No manager will play Pete Rose. That's why Pete will play Pete Rose. I mean that's what it looks like from the outside, right? That he's putting it all together. But in reality, his gambling is getting way worse. It all came from the fact that he simply would not pay people when he didn't feel like paying them.

So same thing he did with his illegitimate child. He just is like, I'm done. When he's done, he's done. I'm done. Sure. He owed tens of thousands of dollars to a guy and he'd just ignore him. Okay. What's he going to do?

He's Pete Rose. What's the guy going to do? Kill him. Okay. He and Tommy would laugh it up at the condo playing catch with stacks of $10,000 he owed to bookies. That's fun. That's kind of fun.

Rolling balls of cash at each other like grounders. Rolling ball of cat one like a wadded ball. Yeah Because of this none of the local number runners would take his business anymore anymore. So what where does he go? To Terry's the mob. Okay good Definitely who you yep for sure Pete is in deep with a guy known as the skin man from the Dayton Syndicate Because it depends why is he called the skin man I Assume he has a lot of skin That's what I'm hoping for I'm hoping he looks like one of those skinny one thousand pound sister That's what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping he looks like the skinny 1,000 pound sister,

where it's just he's waiting for the surgery to have it all sort of moored off. Or he's got like a giant walk-in freezer and he opens it up and there's just all the skin of the people in this. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to get specific, but if it is like other people's skin because of deaths, then that's a problem.

At this point, it's believed that Pete was just betting on football, basketball, horses, and obscure sports like high-lie, but the Skin Man has evidence to the contrary. And when he showed up to Pete's house unannounced, he came to collect. He just like flies in like a flying squirrel with all of his skin. The God Skin Man.

That's right, Pete. I believe you owe me a little money, don't you? What the fuck is coming from the sky? Ooh. But he's not just collecting money. Skin Man's a smart guy. He knew that he could get something more from Pete. Yeah.

Quote, hey, remember when you made that bet on the Reds back in 77, skin man asked. Pretty much out of the blue, Pete. He's like, yeah. And he also, he agrees to pay him back by the end of spring training. So he's saying like, bitch, I know you bet on baseball. I know, he's a little bit like a Batman villain,

the skin man. Yeah, a little bit. Remember when you bet on baseball. I know. He's a little bit like a Batman villain, the Skin Man. Yeah, a little bit. Remember when you bet on those games back in 77, Pete? Excuse me. I've got a little bit cash under this fold. So what Pete knew was that Skin Man had brought that up for a reason and he had a device and he was recording it. So as soon as he asked that- I don't know where it's hidden under all those folds.

So Pete now goes to Joe Canberra, who is a bookie with the Rhode Island mob who. The Rhode Island mob is the saddest mob. Yo, what's up? Yeah, nobody does business in Rhode Island unless they talk to us. Don't make me take off my deck shoes. What are you going to do, go to Connecticut?

Probably. Well, no, don't. Hold on, wait. That'll take like 10 minutes. Come on, we're like a sliver. Come on, relax. We're the Rhode Island mob. Come on, it's just me and my buddy, Tommy.

Come on. Literally nothing happens in Rhode Island without us knowing about it. I mean nothing. Have a party or something is what I'm saying. There you go, you want a party? I mean, it's just like gossip. It's not great to be honest with you.

We're just kind of, the closest casino is like three hours so which is trying hey yeah Tommy got a boat yeah that's it is here yeah gossip and yeah I look say tell you what I got nothing nothing I was just gonna hey Hey, Providence, so. Nah, it's not. Come on, it's just not like this. Rhode Island Mob is kind of. Ah, shit. Eh, I should go. Okay. I got a, you know what we got to do tomorrow?

What? We got to take all that change I have and take it to the bank. Hey! How many dollar bills there are right now. I haven't seen. Yeah, fuck you! That's going to be a pretty penny, huh? Don't fuck with us.

Yeah, you come, hey, you come to the Rhode Island Mob, you best win. Yeah, we're gonna make you count change. Yeah, otherwise you probably, they could just kinda, they could go around the state. Oh God, I can't pay my rent. No, me either. I'm renting all my furniture.

Okay. Yeah, I just wish my parents had made a move when I was younger. It would be a terrible place to stay. I don't know. Jesus Christ invest something. I mean, whatever, you know what I mean? Christ.

Holy fuck. I mean, I do still work at Baskin-Robbins, but. Yeah. All right, well let's meet up tomorrow. Yeah. All right. Hey, don't fuck with me. Hey, we want to watch out. Hey, hey, don't fuck with me

Watch out he sleeps with the fishes right it's really a pond All right tell Stacy I said hi, okay, send my best I'm so you say something. No. Oh, what are you saying? I? Nothing. Well, maybe we should kill a guy? Yeah. I don't even know. I don't have any equipment. Yeah. All right. All right. I'll get you.

Get you, man. I'm going to run back. Swear to God, I can't do this anymore. So he goes to the Rhode Island mob. Pete, it's an honor. I could keep doing it. Joke camera. He was bringing in a half million weekend on bets, so he doesn't have to go after Pete

for late payments because he's rolling in it. And Pete liked this arrangement, but the timing isn't great because right as they start their relationship, the Massachusetts State Police begin an undercover operation infiltrating the Rhode Island mob. And Pete also this time had someone cork his bat. Oh. So cork and a bat makes the bat lighter. So bats are kind of heavy.

So as you get older, they get harder to swing. And also it makes the ball bounce off it. So there's a minimum way the bat has to be. Yes. And so the ball also bounces off a little bit because it's got a cork in the middle. So they have more control of the batter's box, more accuracy, easier to find the sweet spot on the bat. You can start your swing later, improve your timing.

It just makes you a better hitter. Sure. So Pete was going to do whatever it takes to beat Ty Cobb's record. Sure. And this included working out like he never had. Tommy tells Pete go to Gold's gym. Mr. Ohio works out there. A former US Mr. USA runner up.

Some Cincinnati Beggles work out there. You can get whatever you want there. Right? They got bench presses, tanning beds, aerobics, steroids, cocaine, all the... I like the idea that he maybe just leans into tanning. Boy, I've never seen Pete in this kind of color. Look at him.

Steroids and cocaine, of course. The other things that... Turns out the owners of Gold's are prolific cocaine dealers. They would sell at the juice bar. Man, I like it. Can I get a, I guess I'll get a green machine. OK. And I guess give me like, give me like an eight ball cocaine.

OK. No problem. Just give us a second here. OK. Doing roids just for tanning. So good. He's, I mean, I've never seen a guy stay in the bed this long. He's unbelievable you got to see the color of Pete right there. He's

a dark burgundy. He looks like a Merlot. Pete is very oddly colored now. He's very bad honestly. So one of these owners had a connection in South Florida he'd fly down make a and fly back, and then a mule would drive the Coke back to Ohio. Okay. Tommy said Pete asked the owner, where'd you go with his money? And the owner, quote, cocaine. Ah, okay.

Pete asked how he and Tommy can make money off this, and the owner tells Pete to give him 100,000, he can turn it into 200,000 in two weeks and Pete's face lights up. Quote, really? You're kidding me. Yeah, it was very stupid. Tommy later said he was quote,

roided out of my mind at the time, but I'm looking at him like, are you nuts? So Tommy was put on over 200 pounds of muscle from steroids is like, Hey Pete, what are we doing? I decision making is a little off on this one. By 1985, the owners were sending down $100,000 per shipment and Tommy is one of the main mules driving it up. He said Pete was financing because he needed the profits to pay his gambling debts.

So now he's doing cocaine deals to pay his gambling. Tommy wanted to help and of course Tommy wanted to cut. Steroids are rampant in the gym. Old ballplayers do not use steroids to bulk up. It helps them recover faster, gain lean muscles, shed fat that comes when your body stops producing as much testosterone. Sure. Now, there's no proof that Pete was using steroids, but some have speculated that based

on his other proven cheating method of corking his bat and the ubiquitous steroids in the gym, he may have been trying to tip the scales more. Sure. Usually in baseball, when guys have a 40 plus spurt of production, it's steroids. Right. And there's definitely guys that are people like,

they're amazing. And they, like David Ortiz, I remember, like his last year, I think it was his last year, he just like put the team on his back and won the World Series, like almost on his own. And people like, it's amazing. I'm like, yeah, I mean, it's fairly scary. Well, there's so many of those guys in baseball.

Yeah, yeah, there's a ton. Like the Verlander is a guy that he just keeps pitching, he's pitching for the Giants now, and you're just like, yeah, he's on steroids Just to recover. Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean allegedly But yeah, they when you when you get old and you're still playing and you're putting in Like good. Yeah, right. You're you're on Roy. Nobody's fucking doing it 40

Did Pete physically change? I don't know if he did. Yeah, see, that's what I remember. But again, for a lot of these older guys, it is about recovery. It's about, you know, Tommy met a new bookie for Pete at the gym. He's a massive coke head named Ron Peters. And Ron- Just get in, when you meet a huge coke head at the gym, give him the keys to the castle. Absolutely. Let this guy, this is who you want to be working with.

That's who knows how to get it done. If you're doing Coke at the gym. Name a time a Coke has lied. Who does Coke to party? Everybody. Who does Coke to go out on the boat? Everybody, right? Who does Coke go to the gym?

A fucking guy who's committed. Some of my favorite workouts are from Coke. Oh my God. I mean, is there anything more exciting than to do coke and lift weights? No, I mean, I think I would say is to do meth and hit a spin class. Yeah, it's awesome. That's great So the class is over an hour and a half ago You bite the person cycling next to you Ron told everyone Pete was betting with him and

Even put Pete on a speaker phone in front of his buddies. So you're telling me that when you meet a coke head at the gym and just start gambling with them with no vetting at all, it puts you in a bit of a compromised situation with your vice that is taking over your professional life. Yeah, it's not, yeah. It's interesting, because I don't know.

It's almost like addicts make bad decisions. There's a guy, I've been hanging out with an Adderall head at Bally's. Yeah. And this guy, I've given him everything. He knows everything about me. He's got my social security, everything. Yeah.

I do Molly with a guy at 24 Hours Fitness. Oh, I love that. Yeah. I do a lot of toad poison with a guy at Planet Fitness. You just meet these guys. Yeah. They're great guys. So Pete's now reckless.

He's now betting as much as $15,000 per day on college hoops and the NBA, obscure college sports. Man, if the Ocho had been around. Well, the truth is that the deeper someone gets into a gambling problem, the more the sports just become obscure because you want to do it every moment of every day. So you start finding like it's ping pong, it's sumo. I mean I truly believe that one of the reasons you're seeing all these changes in sports

is because ESPN's getting into gambling, they're all getting into gambling. And one of the reasons ESPN is putting on the Ocho, which is, I mean have you seen it? It's like the other day I watched, you know the basketball shooting game in bars? Oh, Papa Shot. Yeah, Pop-A-Shot. Yeah, I watched the championship.

What the fuck? It was crazy, but clearly three of them had never really done it that much. One guy was really good, but I was just like laughing. Me and Finn are watching and I'm just like, this is crazy, and then I'm like, oh, it's because of degenerate gamblers. Wouldn't it be a lot more fun?

I mean, I know when I, because I have like a betting league each year where you just get a thousand points for a few hundred Dollars. Yeah, it starts to dry. It really makes sports more interesting That's why I'm like, I can't dabble with this And so if you have a bunch of guys at an OTB and there's that they'll bet on that. Oh, yeah Nine on a Frank on the cornhole, the cornhole championship. I mean, then you are sitting there just like, O'Neill needs to hit a better shuttlecock.

He's crazy. You're just like, I don't know anything. You called that a fucking extra, Bobby? That's not how you fence. Come on. So, so yeah, he's betting a lot of fucking money. 2,000 here, 3,000 there, 10 Gs on a game. He's trying to make-

No way this guy can hold a downward dog that long. He's trying to make, like you said, everything is interesting when you do that. So at the ballpark, his career is crescendoing. On September 11th, 1985, Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb's all-time hit record with his 4192nd hit. At first base, the standing room only crowd gave him a nine-minute standing ovation. Just sit down, would you? It's too much for Pete and he cracks.

He's actually showing a little vulnerability for the first time in his life and he starts to cry. And he's anxiously wiping away tears with his two glove finger over his nose. 50 year old Pete Jr. is in the dugout. He doesn't know what to do. He'd never seen his dad like this. And a player pushes him out and goes,

go, get out there. Get out with your dad. Kick your dad's ass. He's trying to take in that spear tag. Look how weak your dad is. Put a fucking shoulder into that guy. Come on. Good lord. And he runs to his father and Pete hugs his son tight and tells him he loves him.

And Pete Jr. went on to describe it quote, I've never experienced that. My first father-son moment. Wow. What? Is he saying that sort of sentiment? Like he's. I think so. Wow. He's like, it was amazing. It was the first time my dad was there for me. And he did it because everyone was watching. It was perfect.

It was the first time in his 15 years. He remembers his dad hugging him. Fuck. Later that season in the middle of a game, Pete got another player's son to tell him exactly when the Kentucky Derby was starting. So he, the manager of the team can leave the game and watch. That's the end of part two. Ah, fuck. I mean, Marge shot being like at the helm of this. I have a person who's like, oh yeah, I'm going to go watch another sport because I'm gambling.

Yeah. But it worked probably, right? I mean, it was like, as far as I'm going to go watch another sport because I'm gambling. But it worked probably, right? I mean, it was like, as far as like attendance, it was probably helpful. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I think we really do. There is something, you know, the infallibility of sports is so interesting because it's the way that we know these people are actually pieces of shit, but if they can perform, I mean, the NFL does it all the time where it's just like, you know, there's no interest in, it's not even hiring a high character

individual, like, which is like terminology they use, but it is just like, you just, it allows people to be such fucking assholes. Sports really, like Ben Roethlisberger is like a, he's a rapist. I mean, these are, Deshaun Watson was given a huge contract after committing sexual misconduct, I guess would be the lightest term for it. I mean- And the reason that Sanders wasn't drafted in the fifth round was because he was entitled if he had been a

Sexual assaulter like a guy who drafted away above. Yes fine. Yeah. No, they're absolutely they they really the line for It is purely financial financially based. I mean, I remember when the Cowboys hired I can't remember that dude's name, but he was like, he was, he was the, if you see the, the crime scene photos of what he did to his wife. It's crazy. It's you and, and that stuff still comes in. Ray Rice is not in the NFL because of what he did. It's because there was footage of what he did. The NFL knew what he did. They had the accounts. It was all there.

And it wasn't until the footage got released that Ray Rice was cut from the NFL. Yeah. Like we said earlier, early on in this, the first episode, they found that umpires were gambling. There's no way they didn't have it on Rose. There's no way they didn't know when he was hanging out with Terry Rubio that he was involved in some sort of gambling. They knew. They had to have known. And it really is like, it is on the consumer.

This is the same thing with politics. We expect the shitbags. The shitbags are going to be the biggest shitbags, and they're going to put whatever shitbags we allow to be the shitbags, as to be the biggest shit bags, and they're going to put whatever shit bags we allow to be the shit bags as long as the thing is, you have to at some point have some line where you just go, yeah, you know what, I'm not going to do this anymore. You can turn away from your team for a fucking year.

I did it. Yeah. The Deshaun Watson one was where I was like, fuck, Greg Hardy, that was the guy's name who beat the shit out of his wife. But I did it for a year was where I was like, fuck, Greg Hardy, that was the guy's name who beat the shit out of his wife. But I did it for a year where, and it was like, I really thought there were going to be more people who hit a breaking point.

But they just don't. Every year, some team cuts some player because he beat the shit out of his wife, he did whatever, abusive in some manner, and some other team picks him up because that's allowed. If the NFL just took one season and just said, some abusive in some manner and some other team picks them up because that's allowed. If the NFL just took one season and just said, we're not going to allow people who physically abuse significant others, that would probably make it so that these people at least considered

what they were doing a little bit. But when you create a world where they can do whatever the fuck they want, they will. Yeah. I mean the, the, the biggest, one of the biggest wide receivers, Oh God, what's his name? That guy from Miami. Oh yeah. Yeah. Tyreke Hill. Yeah. He just got arrested for abusing domestic abuse, right? Yeah. You know, they, they just keep just keep doing it.

Unless you tell them no, or you don't vote with your wallet, you just don't turn on the fucking, you cannot watch a game for a fucking year. How is he going to get rid of it? When you really look back at the Roethlisberger stuff, it was like, it is absolutely insane. It's like, he is at a bar, like having someone stand guard outside of a bathroom

while he's sexually assaulting a woman. And he's still playing. Netflix is about to do a Farf documentary, it comes out soon. Oh shit, are they? Oh yeah, and it's fucking, I mean I don't have Netflix right now, but I mean I already know a lot of it. Like a lot of it is just, you know, it is.

It's like, it's hard to confront it, but you have to just go like, yeah you know what, this fucking dude who was my, gave me so much entertainment as a kid because he could throw a ball accurately, I guess what, he's actually not the best guy. Ronaldo was accused of sexual assault, and I didn't even know.

When he came back on the Manchester United, I was like, hey, our guy's back, and someone was like, yeah, he's a rapist. I'm like, what? Yeah. Like it was so like not a part of coverage here. So you can't expect our society to start to balance out in any capacity if you have carve-outs for the people

that we idolize doing the things we're supposed to vilify and letting them get away with it because the product is entertaining. But there will be punishment for Pete Rose. Sources Charlie Hussle, The Rise and Fall of Pete Rose and The Last Glory Days of Baseball by Keith O'Brien, Charlie Hussle and The Matter of Pete Rose by Mark Monroe, The Hit King, Pete Rose, Impercatory by Scott Rab, BaseballReference.com and the research was done by Josh Androski. Good work, Joshyboy.

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