The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 687 - Larry Sullivan - Live

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine Oregon bad boy Larry Sullivan. Recorded live in Portland  SOURCES TOUR DATES OFFICIAL MERCH   Hydrow - Code: Dollop Hims  Chubbies - Code: Dollop  Download CashApp and use code Dollop 

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Jesus Christ. Or J Tizzle. We can call Or J Tizzle. We can call him J Tizzle. That's a new low. Lawrence McCollough Sullivan, also known as Larry, was born in St. Louis. Now no one knows anything about his childhood at all. Because he's poor. Nor should we. Yeah. But at 20 years old, he ventured off to... So nobody knows about his adolescence either?

The whole way. Okay. So 20, we start to get some ideas. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's when he came to Oregon. Little city called Bend. We back.

Nobody knows why, but there's a pretty good chance it's because he was escaping something. He was getting out. Sure. Because this is where he came. Oregon, really the closest you could get to the wild frontier while still living in a city. Okay. Or state. City still living in a city. Okay.

Or state. City. It was a city? Oregon was a city. Trust me. Sure did spread. Trust me. The city of Oregon.

Yeah. Well, it was a place you could hide out, but still have all the city stuff. Sure. Whatever you wanted. Okay. So, Larry landed in Astoria. Is that part of Portland or is that nearby? The woman who cheered was like...

Coast? Oh, it's the coast. That way. That way. That way. I don't know where I am in the theater right now. Run outside and then just figure it out. Okay.

So it's where all... Yeah, you guys are up the river. Right? So it's down the river? All I know is the Oregon surfers are fucking dicks. Oregon surfers, terrible reputation. you can all look for yourself. Alright, alright Dave Come on buddy, we were rockin' and rollin'. David put your goddamn finger down Put it down the other one was better, I guess honestly, I don't know why You really are

the bad boy A story is a very tough working-class port town. Badass. That looks perfect. Murders all the time. So what? But Larry was very tough himself and he had no skills so he decided to become a boxer. A boxer? Yeah. Oh, okay. Now most boxing back then was... That's like now, but it's podcasts.

I got nothing. Start a podcast. It's a good idea. Work for Rogan. You know what? That's not fair because he was a comedian. What happened to you? Just what's your deal today?

You just came to burn any bridge near you? Oh no, am I gonna burn a Rogan Bridge? Oh God! You're in... It's just... I burned the Rogan Bridge! You've also come here and complained about it five different times at the beginning. Where we are. I'm just saying. It's a... I didn't complain about it. You're drinking Haterade today.

You hate their surfers? Yeah, the surfers are a problem, but everyone knows that. No, no, no. I don't want to... I'm not... You're right. We should go ahead. Oh, so you're for the people who beat people up on the beach.

If you're the people on the beach, yeah, I'm for that. No. No, just a nature photographer. A what? A nature photographer yeah get money. I don't need it. We go quick Now you're burning we got enough nature pictures go home loser. Oh Look a tree. Yeah, we got it. We got Google Maps. They'll redo it in five years fuck off Now most boxing back then was done under what's known as London rules, which was basically two things, bare knuckles and a round goes as long as it takes for one of the guys to get knocked on their ass. So Larry beat his way up the totem pole until he became the top prize fighter in Astoria, which Like I don't know how big it is but how many fucking people are in Astoria

It's like he beat how many ten thousand she's back. So back then it's like eight She's she's here to defend Astoria's honor. No, you can defend Historia. That's all... Every step of the way. Look, in every audience there's people who are wrong. No, I honestly don't know anything about Historia. And we found it's normally the Historia people in this area. If I know... That's why they call it Historia, because you believe a line of bullshit that's a fairy tale.

It's a big Historia for you to believe. If I could imagine Astoria, it's a port town that over the years was working class and now it's been gentrified and it's very expensive. Okay, so... You got a Target? You got a Target? No Target, right? Brewery? You got got brewers?

Alright, so yeah, it's, poor people go live inland. So back in the late 1800s, Oregon, prize fighters were the biggest celebrities in town. And Larry enjoyed all the fame that came with it in Astoria. He was a big man, top of his game. So now there's only one place to go. Try his luck in the big city, Portland. Nice. That's much bigger. Yeah. That's much bigger. Yeah, that's bigger. Yep. So things did not go as he planned. Larry got the shit beat out of him regularly with his best showing reportedly being a loss after 72 rounds.

Oh my God. Wow. Legit rounds? It was an undercard. That's when the feature runs the light. Imagine watching a 70, you're just like, okay guys, like seriously, I'm here to watch Big Philip night, whatever the fuck you guys are doing. 72 rounds. 72 rounds.

All right, lunch. I'm gonna take a lunch break. It's crazy. Yeah, that's a long time. That's where the comedy is coming from. Apparently after 72 rounds quote Larry threw up the sponge. Like I guess that's how you ended the fight. Dude, I was picturing something completely different. Yeah, I was picturing like, all right that's it Larry just barfed the sponge. Larry, you were eating sponges? I didn't know what else to eat.

Larry, what are you doing? I got so hungry. You don't eat sponges. I ate some of my teeth too. Jesus Christ. You're doing. I had a dishrag! What the hell are you doing? Is that a fork in your puke? I had a dinner set! Eventually that became a towel. What?

Well when you... Yeah, a towel, yeah, right. But it's just a sponge. A sponge. A sponge. It should still be a sponge. I mean, I guess you're right, but I also think that's a good thing. I mean, I guess you're right, but I also think that's a good thing.

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You should still be a sponge. I mean, I guess you're right, but I also imagine... I mean, they do have sponges sometimes, don't they? Yeah, well, I've seen Rocky... It's the whole thing's weird in the corner. Whatever's happening in the corner, you're always like, what is he doing? Like the guys could cuss and this guy's like, all right, remember, keep trying to beat the shit out of him.

It's really... He's beating the shit out of you a lot keep trying to beat the shit out of him. It's really, he's beating the shit out of you a lot. Try to beat the shit out of him. We're gonna put Vaseline and water on your face. You gotta go back in. Well, what was this? Goodbye. Did that even just happen?

So it was reported in papers. I ate a bunch of mud, Larry! I mean I literally read it in papers across the country. It was written up even though it's not really a big fight. It's an undercard in Portland. Right. 72 rounds. But 72 rounds, everyone's like, well, that's... Fuck. That's crazy.

Yeah. The Evening Star of Washington, D.C. had the headline, quote, Larry Sullivan whipped in 72 rounds with bare knuckles. I don't know if you could say anything that goes 72 rounds is whipped. Like, he lost, but 70..., whipped is like three rounds or something. 72 rounds? He barely lasted out there. Weak-willed Larry, who is so focused on towel munching.

I mean their faces must have been coming off. Off, completely. Yeah. He probably didn't eat the sponge and throw it up. It probably just went in through a wound. It was like, Christ, Larry's eye just ate the sponge. How am I doing? You got to go back out there.

What? I, my watch. Larry. It's Christ. My watch! Larry! Ah! Christ, he's jingling like treasure! That's why he's a prize fighter, he's full of goodies! That's how piñatas were created. So, because he sucked at boxing against actual boxers, not just guys in Astoria, he had to actually find work.

Oh no. So, luckily for Larry, he had made friends with two brothers while in Astoria, whose dad owned a sailor's boarding house and he had been a pioneer in the art of Shanghai. Oh no. Oh no. Oh no, Larry. No, Larry. No. Shanghai means kidnapping or coercing a random guy into forced labor on a ship.

It was usually done by preying on an unsuspecting bar patron or slipping knockout drugs like chlorhydrate or doses of opium or london into their drinks. They're even stories of putting opiates in cigars. Oh, that one you wouldn't see coming. Keep your hands on your drinks, boys. Good work. Yeah! Sometimes the Shanghiers would knock them out

with a blackjack like in a cartoon or drop them through a trapdoor. I mean, I already, we've already done a trapdoor rant this week so I'm not gonna get back into it. I was pro, very pro seeing this. I'm not anti but I do wish people would only use trapdoors for good. Yep. Also, I would imagine we'd be back then pretty easy to spot the trap door. Yep. Hey, wasn't there a guy standing here? Not anymore. Why don't you stand there? Cigar? So the poor guys would wake up with a nasty headache on a ship in the middle of the ocean ocean pressed into

work as a sailor and they wouldn't come back home for years. I've woken up hung over in some bad zones. Yeah. They've all I've always been like I just got to get out of here figured out a little bit. So just be like what you're a sailor. Huh? Now you work on this ship. For not much, too. So there you go. What? Like with a hangover? Oh my god. Yeah, that's, yeah. You're hungover. Here, time to teach you the poo rope. So there are plenty of stories of Shanghai going wrong. Even the Shanghires being scammed themselves. The Shanghires. Oh, okay.

Why don't you smoke the cigar first? Don't mind if I... What the fuck? Oh no! Ah, fuck! Like once a guy desperate to fill his crew quota wrapped a wooden cigar store Indian statue in blankets and managed to get it on board a ship with the skipper being none the wiser or another guy.

What? None the wiser? I had the skippers got problems. Well they think it's a knocked out guy and it's probably just wrapped in a blanket. So all the guys came unwrapped? That's good. It's a stiff tiny one, but alright. Another guy found that 22 men who accidentally consumed embalming fluid thinking it was a

party drug and sold them mostly corpses to an unsuspecting captain. So there's a captain who took 22 dead guys on the ship. Yeah. It was just like, This is the laziest group of shits we've ever bought. Wake up, losers! Hey, uh, Captain? All these guys are dead!

Oh! Oh, God. This one's missing a head. Yeah, that one looked off to me the whole time. All right well get that wooden Native American up here. You get to work. He's made of wood sir. We got really ripped off back there. Sometimes the poor victims will be tricked into it. Larry is responsible for perhaps the most legendary example of tricking. A teenager named Aquia Ernest Clark left the

farm where he worked in Scapose? Mm-hmm. Scapose? I don't know if you do the question mark ending. Scapose? I think that's just how you say it in general. Welcome to Ska-poos. Welcome to Ska-poos. Ska-poos. Ready to enjoy his off time in Portland. This is such a horrible setup. Finally, a little down time in Portland.

This will be nice. I'm going to have a fun time. I've been working hard on the farm all week. Just a few days in Portland. And he went to the waterfront where the action was happening and he got to drinking. And he met a nice guy who suggested he stay at a particular sailor's boarding house because quote, it's the best place to stay in Portland. Fuck me.

Couldn't have a conversation. The fellow that told Clark that the owner, Larry, was throwing a huge party on a riverboat cruise. Oh yeah. To Astoria and back. Whoa, I gotta be the luckiest guy to walk into a huge party. I was just fixing to do something fun. I love boat parties. So Clark and ten other guys were like yeah we'll go on your boat party. Party has everything. Beautiful women, a live band, food, and booze. Especially booze. So from Clark quote, we all had a few snorts of hard liquor so they don't know what they're doing. Line them up boys! Now let's drink a little cocaine.

And also one each of the Jessleys celebrated Peach Blow cocktail. Which was the invention of H.C of HC Malcolm manager of the Portland Hotel bar okay I came up with a peach drink sure there was steak if you wanted it or there was pork or you might order oysters crabs or fried salmon along with the midday dinner they served rye rum, and three kinds of wine. So it was a sizzler. It was a sizzler. It's a sizzler. It was a boat sizzler.

Where else are you going to get fried salmon? Yeah. It was the SS sizzler. Fried salmon, just how we like it. I mean, it's literally the only thing I think we don't fry in America. We fry it. Do we fry salmon? Oh, you're goddamn right we do.

Better than anybody, too. You're on notice. So before they went ashore in Astoria, all fucked up from the tons of free booze, the friendly man who brought them on the boat requested that they sign their name on a passenger list just to make sure they had a head count of everyone before they went back to Portland. Wait, you want to get a head count before we go back? What, didn't you want to do that before we left in the first place? No, we're doing it now. Don't worry about it.

It just seems a little strange. Here, have more. Oh, sweet peach weird thing. No, that was a clam. Oh, sweet clam. Oh, man. I'll tell you what, I just go, it's a very good time of drunk out here today. Here, sign this. Oh, who should I make it out to?

No, just, just go ahead and sign your name. It's just a list. You guys are my best, my best friends. Today I left the farm. I took it away. A boy. And I didn't know what to expect. And I made 15 pals that I plan on keeping in touch with forever. Hey man, what's going on over there?

I don't know. Even though I want to know you by name. I've seen pals that I plan on keeping in touch with forever. Hey man, what's going on over there? Now there are... Even though I... I want to know you by name. What's a... By spirit, we shall... We shall forever be bound. My best friends, may I pitch a name for our group? Okay.

The Glossy Posse. (*audience laughs*) Cause we got a nice scene. I don't even remember how did I start to write it into this. Love, whatever my name was. (*audience laughs*) Great. Great.

Okay. I have a confession. I threw up a sponge. I know, I know. I put it in, oh, go ahead. So what they did know is that the paper they just signed was an agreement to become sailors on an English grain ship. So it was like their iTunes agreement.

Yes, it was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like, I won't sue Disney. I just want to watch Andorra. Like, what? Whoopsie poopsie. They were on the ship, the TF Oaks. Nice. Wow.

That's big. Yeah, it's big. Looks like it's got horns too, which is never a good sign. Don't worry about that. So do they just get loaded up that? That's the, when it first was, that's the, what do you call it? Christening. Christening, yeah.

Oh, that's the Christening. It's the first time it's gone. But that's, so they just go from the party boat to this boat? Yeah. Okay. And it's clearly very large, so. Whoa, we're about to hit an even bigger party. Oh boys, I can't believe we hit a bigger jackpot after a gin rummy.

So back then, anyone who bailed on an agreement was hunted down by the police, so they're now indentured servants. The party sucked. Wow, it says a lot about you'd rather go work four years on a ship than deal with the cops. Imagine. So they were tricked to get on the... They were convinced that they were going to take a tour of the TF Oats. So then things start to dawn on them. They're like, wait a minute. And right when they started to realize it,

four cops jumped out, each holding two Colt 45s. So eight guns pointed at them to make sure that this happened. And the skipper approached them, quote, now young men, you are sailors on the TF Oaks and you're going to France. Just to make sure you're going, I'm going to sort of tie you together for a while. That happens. That happens, does it? You ever been on a boat? Tied them together? You got fucking three stooges.

Well then they can't run away because they're all... Well you already had all those Colt 45s. You had like... Yeah, but the cops aren't going to stay there. They were just making sure they actually got on the boat. Doesn't the ocean work for them? Isn't the ocean like nature's rope? They're still not on the boat.

They're still trying to get them on the boat. Oh, they're still getting them on the boat. Okay. But yes, the ocean doesn't work. I feel like the guns would just be able to go up that ramp. I have notes. Look, they got it down. It doesn't need to be questioned.

These guys know what they're doing. Oh, well look who's on the side of the police again. Very interesting, David. Very interesting. I know, this guy, everywhere we go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, This is all completely legal. No, no, I'm, I just, I know it's legal, obviously it's legal. As it should be. It's just a shame for him. He really fucked up by getting drunk once. In 1895, four sailors tried to get off a ship in Astoria and were arrested, so they filed the lawsuit, which everyone just assumed it would be a slam dunk because

it's slavery to force men to work on a ship. But the Supreme Court ruled in Robertson versus Baldwin that the 13th Amendment with its prohibition of slavery in all forms, mostly, applied to Americans no matter their race, as long as they weren't sailors. I'm surprised they didn't loophole that harder back into regular slavery. You know, in them, they'd be like, uh-huh, we call it the boat plantation. Now, a lot of podcasts have done cruises. We could do a...

I'm just coming up with ideas to increase our profits. I don't... And that's our main goal and I don't hate the idea. So pitch it just cleanly. Sure. Take me. So we have like a three-day cruise. The dollop cruise.

Yeah, great. Invite our fans. Yep, the dollop cruise, invite our fans. A couple thousand fans come on board. Sure. Then we make them slaves. It's pretty good. Portland's out because we just revealed the plan, but other places are...

Right. But it's fun. It's a good time. We could get her. We'd be like, well this boat's going to Astoria. She'd be like, finally, a shortcut. We don't even bother with any activities. People are like, that's pretty scant. Quiet.

You make those J-Town shirts, you hear? What? Get back to work. Where's my Hillary Clinton research? Hey Dave, I misunderstood. I'm a centrist. You do it. Oh no. You were a centrist.

I'm mixed among them. Wait, what the fuck? Shut up! I want 50 bad puns by four. But I'm part of the plot! I'm fucked up. So Larry... Larry is the perfect Shanghai-er, or crimp, as it was known. Crimp? Crimp.

Crimp. He was the best of the crimps. And the best crimps were X-Boxers since the people they were trading were unenthusiastic about the process. I like how you don't want to get sued by the crimps. How do I put this carefully? But it wasn't just Larry's fighting skills that made him the number one in the game, it was his political savvy.

Larry was the first crimp to figure out the true value of owning a sailor's boarding house. So it's just a bunch of transitory men with no local ties, and they could be used for one really important thing that's voting so they'd go from ballot box to ballot box across town voting as many times as they'd like because as complete unknowns they were impossible to trace. This is completely sounds like something from Trump's speech. They're going door to door. Okay. Soon Larry was part of the local political machine because he was in his boarding house and now he had political cover and the backing of local law enforcement.

And around 1897, Larry has it all. He's got the full support of the powers that be in the city, a tacit but working arrangement with the other powerful crimps, and in alliance with the district attorney. Plus he... Yeah, he has it all. Yeah, it's all. Yeah, he's got the piece of shit collectors kit. Okay. Plus he'd also just beat the shit out of anybody who got in his way until they gave up. Right. That's an important part of all of this. Yeah. In the 19th century, Portland, you could pretty much get whatever

you wanted if you punched someone enough. I like the early woo. Woo, oh. The captain of the German ship, Ostrifer. That's right. The Ostrifer. That's right! The Ostrifer! So in December 1900, the captain wrote, quote, You cannot believe how these fellows are working. It almost seems as though they hold the whole law and authorities in their hands. Larry Sullivan himself said to the German consul, I am the law in Portland.

It's fucking not good when the German consul, I am the law in Portland. It's fucking not good when the Germans are like, this feels very illegal and immoral. Feels like you've removed the rights from a lot of people. Any who's it be? could be in the hole. So now Larry starts to organize and discipline all the crimps in Portland into what was basically a cartel. Oh man, I really thought it was going to be a crimp union. We're people too.

Okay, a cartel. Well, he's at the top, obviously. Any crimper refused to get on board would get knocked around until they agreed. Okay. So similar tactics. They set the prices to make sure nobody's undercutting the group, and they work in unison for Larry's next plan, which is robbing the robbers Robbing the robbers so the crimps work hand-in-hand with the ship's captains to kidnap men to replace deserters or dead crew members

Well, there's an opening So fucking dark Okay, so the boarding houses would let men stay on credit, rack up a big tab, and then the only way they could afford to clear their debt was by signing up on a ship. Mm-hmm. Sure. So the captains would reimburse the room and board and pay a headhunter fee to the boarding house, which was known as blood money. Okay. So, Larry realized the treasure wasn't the crew's wages.

If a crew member deserts, the captain keeps their pay. That means if a few of them split, that could add up to hundreds of thousands in today's money. So Larry and his fellow crimps began teaching sailors how to commit petty crimes like public drunkenness that would get them sent to jail, but just for a little bit of time. But wait, walk me through that one more time. Okay, so the captain keeps their money for their...

Right? So, now Larry starts getting sailors to commit petty crimes, so they get put in jail. Right. Then, when it was time for their ship to set sail, the captain would realize that all their men are in jail for 30 days. And this is a disaster because technically it's not desertion if a sailor's in jail. And if the ship leaves without the crew, the captain would have to pay them their wages right then and there.

Got you. Okay. But the skippers couldn't wait a month to leave, because then they're losing thousands of dollars every day, so they're fucked either way, basically. Right. Instead, Larry and his gang forced the captains to hire a brand new crew at a higher cost. Well, we actually just stumbled upon a full crew ourselves. These men are dead.

Oh. Well. I can see you've got a good eye. These men are dead. Being picky again, aren't we? So they hire a brand new crew at higher cost and they have to release the sailor's wages, often six figures. So instead of the captain stealing it for themselves, now they're having to give it over.

And it's a shitload, right? It's a shitload of money. Yeah. So this new arrangement was way better for the workers because unlike before, they were now actually getting at least some of the money that was owed to them. And what? They're just like, jail? Yes, please.

Yes. What a dream jail is. And then Larry would get his cut. So everybody's fucking happy except the captains. So one captain sues Larry for this and he wins and Larry had to pony up $200. But when the skipper was ready to sail, suddenly his entire crew is staying at Larry's boarding house and the new fee for each man was $117. So he ended up losing a lot of money.

So don't fuck with Larry. Yeah, don't fuck with Larry. So this thing where he lost the suit and then made the captain pay $170 for every guy causes an international scandal. Really? Yeah. All the... So the British consulate blacklists Portland as a shipping destination.

The French and German embassies formally protest. Oh, so French and German,assies formally protest. Oh, so French and German embassies. But they're not asking for better treatment for their countrymen. No. No, they- They want the money. Yeah, they don't care about the sailors. They just want the crooked-

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Woohoo! What in the fucking cosplaying horse shit is this? Everybody came down to the docks and they gave indigenous people syphilis. everybody came down to the docks and they gave indigenous people syphilis actually that was the other way around but whatever that way it's the other way around oh right what indigenous people gave the syphilis to the and they brought that back Italy yeah yeah nature weapon, syphilis. The naughty revenge. So yeah, it seemed like a really fun time. Yeah, it sure does. Couple people got real upset at that crack.

Okay, yeah, who wouldn't want to go back in time in this time? Ah, see ya. See ya Lewis and Clark Centennial Exposition hit the trail. But by the way, as we've talked about before, it was probably the most exciting shit in the world back then. Yeah. Oh yeah. They're like, oh fuck, this is awesome. God, I hope they walk backwards. Oh my god, stop, stop, stop. Stop.

Come on, don't get your hopes up. Let's just enjoy it. Let's just enjoy it this time. Everyone got their compasses? It doesn't help that this exposition is coming to town and the tourists who came would exit the railroad station right into Larry's rough and tough area that he's got control of. The greatest. Excuse me, gentlemen. I'm looking for the Lewis and Clark reenactment. Have you seen?

Oh, oh, what? Wake up on a ship. I heard you like exploring. What is this? Go downstairs, explore where all the diarrhea is and clean it. What? Sir, this is not on my map at all. Well, it's the worst part of town. There's junks peeking on the sidewalk and sex workers on second floor balconies and fighters throwing fists at each other in the street.

Like, it's just a horrible, it's a horrible. So great to be looking for the Lewis and Clark, the Lewis and Clark exposition. Excuse me, I'm a bit lost. And I'm supposed to be Clark. Ow! Part of me, you just knocked my friend Clark over. I'm a fake Lewis.

Now, just a pile of fake Lewis and Clarks. I didn't even think of that. There would be a ton of guys dressed up like Lewis and Clark. Yeah. And just like, I'm a little confused. It seems like your downtown has changed since the last exposition. Now pardon me, sir. It seems like your downtown has changed since the last exposition. Now pardon me, sir.

You've hit a number of Lewis's in five Clarks. Now hold on there, sir! We're just trying to have a little fun as Lewis and Clark. We've lost 100,000 Lewis and Clark reenactors. I'm going to go, ow. All waking up on ships. So Larry reaches out to his buddies on the East Coast, the mafia basically, and asks them how they are going legit. And they told him it was very simple, get a monopoly on the garbage hauling service.

So Larry cashed in the last of his chips and went for it, but the papers got a whiff of it and they blasted it out to the public. And there was a huge outcry and Larry's plan fell apart and so he realizes it's time to leave Portland. Damn. Did he go to Astoria? No. BANDORG!

No. While reading a newspaper, Larry saw a story about a new mining- Astoria? A story. Uh? No. Say everything you just said. A story. Uh? No. Say everything you just said. A story. Uh?

No! About a new boom town in Nevada called Goldfield. Okay. With its new money, old west lawlessness, and really filthy clientele, Larry knew it was the spot for him. Nice. Together with the brothers who helped him start up his boarding house, he opened a casino, The Palace.

There? The idea of being like, this place needs a Harrah's. But look, Nevada is awful. So you can't make it look good. What are you talking about, sir? It's our gorgeous state. We have the luxury of driving through it quite often. And it is fantastic. Yeah.

It's like, imagine if Arizona died so the big fanciness of the palace impressed the miners the gaming gaming is better, the girls are prettier. It's a hit immediately. People love it. It was at the palace that Larry met a man who looked like he hadn't told the truth in years. What does that even look like?

He's got fib wrinkles. The kind of guy who could sell you your own coat and leave you thinking, thanking him for the bargain, George Graham Rice. George is a gambler. When he was down to his last seven bucks, he got a hot tip on a horse that was sure to win and pay out 10 to one. But instead of betting, he used the money to place it on an ad in the paper telling other people to bet on the horse and to subscribe to his tip sheet.

And it worked like a charm. Jesus Christ. Interesting. Yeah. So he's on top of the world. He's a high roller, but within three years, it was shut down for mail fraud. What a run though. Yeah.

So George blew all the money, but came out of the experience with the skills to be an excellent copywriter. Quote, by the end of the run, he was maybe America's best writer of swindly ad copy. It's like if pop-ups were a guy. Good for him. So he tried to break his gambling habit by moving to the West Coast where he heard about Goldfield and his friend convinced him to come out.

And then Larry opens a casino. Oh man, oh boy. I think God's trying to tell me to get back in and then he's like, you're in a fucking game. His friend convinced him to come out and be the press agent for a mining property and make a ton of money by suckering rubes into investing in the claim. Nice. Cool. By the time George met Larry at the Palace, George had built up his own ad agency and innovated a new way to generate excitement and investment, the human interest story. Oh no.

We've been doing it ever since? Yes. It's really terrible. He plays Tall Tales of the Old West as if there it was the truth into East and West Coast papers, gunfights, striking gold, rescuing the damsel on the railroad tracks, every stupid... That one was still playing? Yeah. Every like stupid trope you could think of. Was there an era where damsels were really on railroad tracks? All the time. It was an epidemic? Yeah, it was constant.

Oh my God. Crazy. Yeah. They all featured George's clients as heroes and it worked. Larry realized these stories were the ones that he had read in Portland and the ones that convinced him to come out to Goldfield in the first place.

Oh, so he fell for the bullshit. These myths created a parasocial relationship between the audience and the mine owners, which made the readers even more eager to invest, and Larry knew he had to go into business with this bold, young genius. So, Larry and George partner up. Good.

This is a good duo. And they invested a mine for 1.7 million in today's money. And they created a corporation called the Sullivan Trust Company and split it into a million shares. Jesus. George got to work on the ad game, drumming up interest, but things started to smell a little fishy. Sizzler boat? And then fried salmon.

Fried salmon. Here at Sizzler. The new steak fish. Here at Sizzler, the new steak fish. Here's Sizzler. Did you say steak fish? The steak fish. Fresh caught steak from the ocean. What the fuck is Sizzler doing? Shrimp fingers.

What? Sizzler. Is anyone listening? Pasture fish. Pasture fish. Grown in the mountains of Montana. Pig lobster. We don't even know. Every Tuesday.

Maybe. What the fuck? Sizzler. Sizzler. We don't know what we're doing. My God. Sizzler, help us? Sizzler. Sizzler. We don't know what we're doing. My god. Sizzler, help us. Sizzler. When we fire an employee, you eat him. Sizzler. Sizzler. Sizzler, there are literally no rules.

Sizzler. Sizzler. Sizzler. If you go to the bathroom, we kill you and cook you. And whatever you flush goes on a plate. Sizzler! Sizzler! Sizzler! If you go to the bathroom, we kill you and cook you. Yeah, and whatever you flush goes on a plate. Sizzler! Are they right? Are they... Hi, I'm Tom Sizzler. Some of our ads got a bit aggressive recently,

which is why the people who wrote them will now be served to you at Sizzler! Hi, it's I, Satan. When I became a majority owner of Sizzler, a lot of people wondered what direction I would take it in. But like we always say in hell, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Which is why all the souls of the damned will now be served at the buffet at Sizzler. Plus, we've removed the sneeze guards.

We're encouraging sneezing and coughing and ejaculating for some of the men. Sizzler, please take this company away from Earth. Sizzler. Are there still Sizzlers? Yes. There are. I could say with great confidence some are hanging in there.

It seems like they do go bankrupt a lot. Yep, that's a part of their business model. I remember one... Somehow they stay afloat. One tour we were doing, I stayed at the airport, LAX, and I stayed overnight because we had to get up at like 6 a for a flight. And I went down the street to eat and I looked in the sizzler and it was just packed like long tables. Those are prisoners.

Those are prisoners. Help! Help! Ah! Now! We're making salmon. Release the pink spray. And then it rotates and there's a new Sizzler. You didn't see anything, did you sir?

Welcome to Sizzler. Do you like your food? Did you, sir? Welcome to Sizzler. Do you like your food? That's the end of it. Fucking red lobster went out of business before Sizzler. How the fuck is that possible? Cheddar Bay Biscuits couldn't- Sizzler was like, we literally don't have shit and we're still doing it. Sizzler, now for dogs, bring it!

Just the Sizzler truck driving on the the road grabbing roadkill. Yeah. Yes it's steak sizzler. Shut up eat your sand we have guns. What? It's all you can eat until you can't sizzler. Sizzler. All. We say when it's all you can eat. You can fit more. What? Eat more. You're not done yet, Jim. Sizzler, are you crying?

Does it hurt? Sizzler, do a line of breadcrumbs. Pick yourself up off the goddamn mat. Your dad fucking ate your guts, you little bitch! Sizzler. Sizzler, sorry. Sizzler, sorry. Sorry about that. Apologies.

Sizzler. Look, Sizzler, my love language is aggression, and I got it. Sizzler. Sizzler, Sizzler. Sizzler. I've been drinking. Sizzler.

I shouldn't have drove, Sizzler! I shouldn't have drove! Sizzler! Anyway, uh-huh? I feel like we just lost one of our sponsors. That's what we should do. Every time we lose a sponsor, we should just fucking rip them. I did that and I got in trouble. I remember we've never worked with better help but it was like

a better help no we love better help they're great no what we love about podcasting is it's a space where you can talk. Heh heh! What the fuck? What is the story? Hey buddy, yeah... Oh. There was one. So they... Larry and George Parton Up and they vested it a mine for over 1.7 million today's dollars. I don't think we need to keep going. I think we're good.

I think we're going to... Honestly, I think it's over. It just sounds so complicated now that we're like, coming back to it. They created a corporation called the Sullivan Trust Company, split it into a million shares and then George got to work on the ad game drumming up interest. But things began to smell a little fishy. That's where we went off target. I just got a text from Finn. Are you doing a show? Yes. If you're hungry go to Sizzler you little... No, no, no.

We're not... It's time to eat your grandpa! No. Can't go back. Then Larry gets his first telegraph bill. It was almost $50,000. Holy shit. Quote, when Sullivan learned of its size, he nearly collapsed.

And then George swindled him out of another $10,000 for ads he had placed in papers, and Larry is very worried that he was the rub. Oh, that's... Finally. I got Shanghai'd. But 10 days later, the orders start coming in. Okay. Almost 1.3 million at 25 cents a share, $13 million in today's cash. So- What the fuck?

They cleaned up. Yep. And they went on a buying spree. From George, quote, that week and the next Sullivan gave me carte blanche to speculate in local mining stocks with partnership money, and within a fortnight we had made another small fortune from securities. These were advancing in price on the San Francisco stock exchange by leaps and bounds. So they're just fucking rolling in money.

Yeah. Now that they have money, they can actually make money. The mines don't need to be productive because everyone's just throwing money at them and everyone knows it's speculative. When most of it didn't work out, nobody told the law enforcement. Everyone's just like, yeah, okay, I got fucked again. They got away scot-free. Of course, some of their big time investors did have to be convinced that they weren't

getting screwed. So when VIPs from back east would come to check out their investments, Larry and George would salt the mine. So they'd put gold and other whatever gems inside the mines to make them... Why the fuck would you announce that you're going to go for your mine and be like, I'll be there in two weeks? I guess we'll put gold all over the floor. Yeah.

You got to bar rescue the mine. You just show up. They're like, oh, fuck. This is fucking barren. What the fuck are you guys talking about? I'll be there soon. I'm excited to see gold. I don't know if you could, I don't know if you could, because anybody rich coming, they

would, once they got off rich coming, they would, once they got off the train, they would know and they would just salt the mine. How fast can you salt a mine? I just throw fucking diamonds and whatever. I mean, this makes the case that the rich should not exist more than anything I've ever heard. Yes.

Just, it gets, it sure is sparkly down there. Just... It gets! It sure is sparkly down there! Oh, we haven't looked in that one yet. Oh, well boys, you sure should have. I think I found a hum nigger. Hoo-wee! What the fuck?

But George and Larry had legitimate productive minds as well as not. What the fuck? But George and Larry had legitimate productive minds as well. What it was though was a speculative bubble. So other mining stock investments contributed to it, but Goldfield was like the main place. The hub. Yeah. Solomon Trust Company collapsed in 1907 and George went on to try and sw swindle other investors even though he's fucking just a crazy millionaire. Yeah, well, that's the problem though.

It's not- Yeah, they can't stop. It's not security. Yeah. It's a compulsion. Yeah. It's a disease. He tried it with copper mining where he was caught and arrested for mail fraud.

So why the fuck, what the fuck, why would you do it? Because it's the thrill. I already answered. Yeah, exactly. Larry tried to do the same in Mexico, but the mine he bought was a dud, and he just didn't have that- Oh, it's so funny to imagine the Mexicans just like, quick, throw diamonds. This is a winner, boys. And he didn't have that magnetism or flair like, uh, like, uh, George did for PR. In the end, he went to LA.

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Well he lives there. And he's got a bunch of religious McDonald's places opened up everywhere. That's right. And guess what? They're going pretty good. Pretty good. A's going pretty good. Pretty good. A lot of people are listening. Okay? Sorry Portland. And they bring in areas. You know my favorite Tom Cruise thing is...

What? Have you seen... Go. Have you seen the show Reacher on... Yeah. It's a fucking great show. The guy is like... He's too big. He's the size of a house. He's too big. What I like is a little Reacher. Well, so Reacher in the comic is a huge person and a friend of mine was writing a screenplay for the

first Reacher movie years ago and then Tom Cruise read it and he was like I'll be Reacher I'd like to try Give me a shout The whole thing about Reacher is he's big and then they're like well Tom wants to do it so then Reacher was

tiny But that's why I'm reaching so much I can't get to it it became a different kind of reach it could you help me get this so hey give me that little ladder so I can reach the cookie jar all right so Larry ends up in LA and he works as a private detective because yeah. And he works with perhaps the greatest lawyer of the 20th century, Clarence Darrow. Whoa. Who defended evolution in the Scopes Monkey Trial and countless unions against tyrannical bosses and Eugene Debs during the Pullman strike.

So Larry was suspected of trying to bribe the jury in the famous case of the McNamara Brothers who blew up the LA Times building, but it was never proven. That could happen again. I wouldn't care. So, he then, Larry then got involved in Mexican lotteries around Southern California, but they, local authorities put the kibosh on that. So then he came back to Portland. But the only three things he was good at... I'm glad you're proud of him. Have you been listening? That's right LA, suck it! You were too moral for this prick.

Sizzler. The only three things he was good at, running casinos, rigging boxing matches, and serving liquor were all illegal now in Portland. Did he not know that? He came back and he was like, he's fine. He came back to his peeps. He was rich though, so whatever. It didn't stop him from trying though, so he's in and out of jail for years. And when World War I erupted across the globe,

Larry got a job as a security man at his shipyard, perhaps the very same one he used to run with an iron fist. And Larry died in 1918 of kidney disease, probably from drinking, you know, having lived more in his 55 years than most would in his lifetime. So that's it, that's Larry Sullivan. Fuck me, Jesus Christ. We lost the real one, we lost the real one. So that's how Sizzler started. It's crazy. So that's how Sizzler started.

It's crazy. So that's how Sizzler started. So that's how Sizzler started. It's crazy. So that's how Sizzler started. It's crazy. The research was done by Josh Androsky, sources Larry Sullivan, boxer, con artist, Shanghai baller, river boat party turned out to be the Shanghai trick. Larry Sullivan, notorious P town, Shanghai and Cartel, Boss, Shanghai or Sullivan's, Mind, Stock, Fraud, Career,

these are all four by Finn, JD John, and Shanghai Days, A Rogues To Rich Rag, Story of Portland Seating, Seafaring Pass, by Dale Bates, and Tunnels Get To Underbelly of Portland's Lava's Pass by Joseph Frazier My Adventures with Your Money by George Graham Rice I don't know if we've ever had a source giggle. The Evening Star and the Tillamook headlight, Harold. Yeah, so that's it.

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