The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 690 - The Baseball Fight

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine 1984 baseball brawl between the San Diego Padres and the Atlanta Braves.  SOURCES TOUR DATES OFFICIAL MERCH   Helix Sleep Download CashApp and use code Dollop 

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Awkward. August 12th, 1984. Oh, sorry. That did something to my throat. You got cliff throat? You did a cliff bar. I did a little bit of a cliff throw. Yeah. Yeah. It's called the Cliffs Pallet.

We don't need to do that. We're rocking already. Shows good. It's already started. Shows going good. The San Diego Padres baseball team were in Atlanta to take on the Atlanta Braves for a three game series. to take on the Atlanta Braves for a three game series. Now Gareth, this was a long hot summer for both teams. Sure. Atlanta had future Hall of Fame manager Joe Torre

in his third season in charge. Mm-hmm, and if people don't know Joe Torre, just picture Paul Sorvino bargain bin. Yeah, that's right. The Braves started slow, but they turned it on, and on June 7th, they were in first place. They had a 1.5 game lead over the San Diego Padres. That's one and a half, for those of you.

Now, just to reset the stakes, what is the value of this series? This is to... We'll a half. Yep. For those of you. Now, just to reset the stakes, what is the value of this series? This is to. We'll get there. OK. So they immediately, after getting into first place, lost five games in a row and dropped out of first. OK.

They never recover for the rest of the season. OK. Now, on June 16th, they were four games out of first, and they were playing the Cincinnati Reds. And the Reds and the Reds picture through several brushback pitches at the Braves best hitter, Chin Music, Claudel Washington.

Chin Music is what it's called. So if you're not familiar with baseball, brushback pitch means you're throwing very close to the guy and making him jump back. It's called the face tune. No, it's called the crotch rocket. Not it's called a belly backer. No, it's whatever gets the guy to move away from the plate a little bit. You're kind of claiming ownership.

Yeah. So you're throwing the ball closer to the guy to sort of say, hey, back up. My plate. Yeah. It's a it's a knee. Get back. The guy was watching a baseball highlight. It's a thigh bye. None of those are things. I was watching a baseball highlight the other day on Instagram. It's kind of the only place I watch Major League Baseball now is clips on there.

And a guy threw inside and hit a player's hands. And the player was like, what are you going to get? That's the second time you've done that. And the pitcher was just like, get off my plate. Wow. Get off my home plate. Like a kid with vegetables. A lot of pitchers are like, I own that.

You don't get to lean over it or get too close to it. Now whose side are you on in that? It feels like you're a pro pitcher, yeah. Yeah, I'm the pitcher side. Yeah, so you don't mind the pitcher throwing a little, he's making a handstand. You don't get to lean over the plate. Right, so throwing it at someone's hands.

My favorite version of that is where they throw it at the hands. I mean, you can really hurt someone throwing it at their hands. Hitting someone with a baseball in the hands. You can ruin their career. That's bad. But also don't stand there. Well, I don't know enough.

It's like standing on a highway and getting upset you got hit by a car. I think that's totally different. One's valid, one's weird. Well, that's how. Standing next to the home plate is weird. That's how I make my times. I make my money. You do it on what?

Stand out on the highway. Huh? It's my job. Have we have we've discussed how you could tell things are going good in this country by the fact that a lot more people are just straight up walking down the freeway, right? It's a good sign. OK. tell things are going good in this country by the fact that a lot more people are just straight up walking down the freeway, right? It's a good sign.

So the hitter, Claudette Washington, has had enough after however many brush-back pitches, he throws his bat toward the pitcher. Which is not, that's another, that's your way of saying to the pitcher, back up, you stop. You're not allowed to do that. Yeah, it's called the mound pound. And the ump tries to hold Washington. What if the ump throws his mask at the batter?

You don't do that. People keep throwing until. The ump tries to hold back Washington. Washington literally throws the umpire to the ground because he's a very large man. And then the pitcher punches Washington. Washington teammates come out and try to hold him down from going crazy.

While they're doing that, the pitcher throws the baseball into the pack of Braves pitchers trying to hold down Washington. I haven't seen a lot of that. I like that. And hit a Braves coach. And then when they finally get everything calmed down, MLB suspends the pitcher for three games

and the hitter five, cause he threw the umpire. You're not allowed to throw umpires. I didn't think they cared as much about the bat as much as they did. That you hurt the ump. You can't throw the umpire. Yeah, okay. You can't throw the umpire.

Okay. So the Braves, sometimes fights't throw the ump. Right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, so the Braves sometimes fights Oh like spark teams to win more Um, not the Braves the Braves kept plummeting and losing and at the end of july there 8.5 games out of first But still in second place, okay And it just gets worse the san digo podraisers are in first place, but they are having a crazy Uh off field season. Okay. So Dick Williams is the Padres manager. He's really old school, tough, has a nasty tongue, like says whatever he wants. Like he's an old school dick. Right. The name is right. Right. He's a dickhead. Right. He's won a couple of World Series,

so he's a good manager. The Padres are going for the title again. They've signed really big names that offseason. They signed Steve Garvey. They sent Goose Gossage. Yes, Goose Gossage is a real name. And at this point he's won World Series. He's a big pitcher. Okay. The name though is problematic. Yeah. Okay. I'm sure he got into a lot of fights being nicknamed goose. But also it also sounds, it really does sound like a duck sausage. But okay, I'll give you that. Thank you. But goose's are meanest. Good. Geese can be mean. Yeah. Yeah.

So they signed these big guys and then a couple days later the owner dies. So the team has his initials on their sleeve the whole year. The team is stacked. They have a lot of really good players. They have a very young Tony Gwynn, who is one of the best hitters ever. And they're pretty much just sailing through. So in July, three of their pitchers

decide to start talking about the evils of communism to the press. And at this point. Which is, well no, but that's. Just normal baseball. Normal, that's fine. But at this point you don't really, it's not really a baseball thing,

like people don't really push their political stuff out there, like it's really weird. So it's 84, so we're Reagan, so he's deaf, but we're right in the, we're right in the kind of, the USSR, Gordy're Reagan. So he's definitely right in the we're right in the the kind of the the USSR Reagan yeah, right So the pictures were we ever left the anti-commie stuff in this country It's definitely the first thing a lot of cycle a lot of people just saying that constantly never stopping yeah, so the pictures were Eric show mark Mark Thurman and Dave Gervicki.

And they were basically introducing a lot of people in America to the ideas of the John Birch society. Oh God. Which is a level of anti-communism that should have one institutionalized, but it's now the norm with Republicans. Yeah right. So the three pitchers at this point are giving Bercher interviews going to Bercher events and the LA Times prints this really long story with the pitchers quotes on July 8th and the story just explodes across the country. Everyone's just like what the fuck. Okay. The headlines had were like, quote, three potteries and mid

ties to birchers. So birchers are considered a bad thing. Mm hmm. The pitchers believe the fate of the world is on the line. Pitchers. That's correct. You gotta love like it's like people get mad at people in entertainment for giving like if you're a comedian and you're espousing your political views It's like well, there's sort of like you within your structure of appeal There is something to your opinions having value. You're talking about society. Yes. It's weird when it's like I throw a football far Yeah, here's my theory on the GDP. I throw a football far. Yeah. Here's my theory on the GDP. I throw a football, by the way,

I'm gonna talk to you about vaccines now. I'm really good at kicking the ball through two big polls. Here's why women should not be able to work. Ha ha ha ha ha. So they're famous, right? So they are like, well, let's use our position to do what is called birching. Oh, fuck me.

I'd like to birch you. What? Yeah. Quote, if our freedoms were taken away, even- Just pictures. Quote, if our freedoms were taken away, even baseball would cease to exist. That is unreal.

Baseball's under attack. Ain't no baseball in these places like Cuba. Well, yeah, I mean honestly. There's a lot of baseball in Cuba. So much. Oh man. Jesus Christ. It just shows the level of stupid.

Yeah, again, I mean, why are you, for any political ideology? Why are you? Why would you you know? Value it there are there obviously are ones where you're like, you know as time goes on Yeah, that's like a dude knew exactly what he was talking about. But there are some where you're just like dude shut up It's always the dumbest or the loudest So they would go and sign baseballs at Bercher booths to try to attract people. Jovecki is a born-again Christian, quote, I think if Jesus Christ were in my shoes, he'd be one of the most aggressive pictures around. That is the only reason that's okay is because he's religious.

You are not allowed to like that is so fucking insane to think, let alone like, bring him, make the call. He's in the bullpen. Here's the thing about Jesus, Jesus owns the plate. There's no way Jesus would let a guy put his fucking hands over the plate trying to get an outside pitch. Jesus Christ on the mound. Jesus owns the inside. Jesus owns the outside.

I mean, the idea that he would even be like, full count, Jesus been a little off tonight. Like he's Jesus. I think Jesus would be a pretty good pitcher. I think he'd be amazing. When a reporter had been- Jesus after this year, he's having Tommy Johns. Didn't know how breakable Jesus was. Jesus is going to be out for a year and a half. Jesus, we have rumors that Jesus is retiring today. Good Lord.

Great Lord. When a reporter had been assigned to write a story on Eric's show, the first thing Eric did was give him a copy of Anne Rand's The Fountainhead. Oh boy. Ayn Rand. I mean, also, fuck off. Your name is shit. It's got Ayn. Well.

As far as I'm concerned, it's Ayn. Yeah, well, I mean, there's really, Ayn is. So dumb. It's the worst. Yeah. What are you doing? How about have a whole name? Yeah. Ayn. No know it's not a name.

It's it's like you heard something and I ran. So these three pictures and our burchers and they gave an interview together show quote. And this these are all from the L.A. Times article show quote. Capitalist nature's capitalist nations would crumble and die from the inside good not the outside Dave Gervais good if that's way better no from communism oh sorry you know but I mean that's good no but he's saying he's saying it would crumble from the it's a bad thing I understand he's

saying that but we even when the way he's saying crumbling from the inside is great well that's what's happening. It's great. Yeah Gerveky quote communism is not the in not the end in itself It's only a way to socialize the entire world So special interest groups will be the master and we we will be the slaves if that is we even live Who's we and I's gotta mean Christians. Time has really proven him right. Thank God we avoided a life of communism

because otherwise, you know, we would all feel like we were slaves while special interests just took over completely. Thank God that didn't happen. We stuck to capitalism and beat it. Now everything's good. Hey everyone, let's work for Grubhub. Thurman, quote, before I was just one of those people ignorant of what really goes on.

Imagine. So, Sandy in 1984 was going through this militant social conservatism, following Reagan and local religious leaders were entering politics. The Reverend Dorman Owens and his followers would march through gay areas of San Diego, holding signs that said, got AIDS yet? It's called converting people, Garret. I mean, look, it's obviously a pretty good outreach.

Got AIDS yet. A nearby city voted on banning X-rated movies from cable TV. One flyer quote, what kind of man watches the Playboy channel? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What do you mean what kind of man?

I was a boy then and I was just trying to get the little slider thing just right so that. Dude, we were talking the other day about when Cinemax would do a week preview if you had HBO. Like a little boy masturbation. We it was it was like the amount of VHS recordings I was doing. You would think that I was like it was like I was preparing game film for a professional sports team. I was recording everything. Yeah.

And then just putting on there like the naked gun. And then my mom would be like, why do you have three copies of the naked gun? I'd be like, don't look at any of them. It's a different kind of naked gun. And it's loaded. But what's weirder? What's weirder?

Watching the Playboy channel or having an app with your son where you keep each other accountable for watching porn and masturbating? You tell me which is weirder. Playboy Channel. Yeah, I agree. A flyer, oh, I said that. The Marines came to games in uniform

and the stadium played the Marines' hymn, after which they would yell, ooh, rah! So that kind of still happens there in San Diego. Still a lot of players in uniform. I mean, a lot of Marines in uniform. Oh, well, that, but that's all the... It's a big military town. as is sports in general now the line

blurring with being like we're gonna have the Blue Angels fly over games and but there but not not playing the Marine Hammond no no the Marines is probably pretty specific in my one of my relatives was and I should have talked to him about Cunningham Duke Cunning, but he was a instructor at Top Gun. And like he was the shit like he was like a really fucking amazing pilot. And I really should have talked to him about Cunningham, but I didn't. But he died recently. And the funeral they gave him was so fucking bullshit. Like it was just like, this is how bad it was.

At one point a dude drives up, gets out of a Honda Civic, walks over, waits like three minutes, then gets a signal and does the bugle thing and then gets in his Honda and drives away. And you're talking about one of the fucking top, like they just don't care about the military guys I mean they don't give a shit. That's the whole what's so bizarre about this time is that this this like Hollowed speech of support the troops and whatnot

It's like the proof is so obvious that when you got the VA Every chance you get who supports the troops? The people who are like, yeah, don't send them there because you don't support them, or the people that get over there, you don't get healthcare. Yeah. So, the players are all surrounded by right-wing stuff.

Steve Garvey campaigned for Reagan, so it's a very right-wing team. The team also had a racism and sexism. So funny that they have a Spanish name too. I know. America's the best, go Padres. The team also had a racism and sexism problem. Later that year, a black woman reporter

was thrown out of the locker room by team employees. Six years later, a Tony Gwindal was found lynched in the Padres' dugout. But for now, Eric's show explain was at stake to the LA Times, quote, "'Democracy is only a transition to anarchy leading to totalitarian state. The only way to get out of this thing,

shred of revolution, is massive education, which I and my friends hope to provide.'" Oh my God. massive education, which I and my friends hope to provide. Oh my God. So saying that democracy is a transition into that, like how do you? He's saying democracy is bad. Yeah. Right. That's what a lot of them think. That's a red flag. Well, that's what they all think now. I mean, it's not any different. It feels like now they do the thing where they're like saying it's democracy, but maybe less now. A lot of them just are out now saying democracy's bad.

It's pretty cool. Yeah, it's very cool. So that's like a sort of classic religious, lunatic victim mentality, like we are at siege, right? So they have this siege mentality within the dugout. Just also, yeah, yeah, yeah. So coming into the games on that weekend, the Braves are just the usual angry baseball team who were in first and now

are really fucked. And the Padres are a shit storm of bananas. One Braves Batboy who had been with the team for three years, and when I say Batboy, I mean he's a 17 year old. He's a Batman. Yeah, Batman-ish. Batman! But haven't been there for three years, he's part of the team.

He's looped into everything. He's with the same people 12 to 14 hours a day. So he has a sense of what's going on and coming into the game, he felt like something was up. So they play the first two games and in the third game of the series, the first pitch of the game is a fastball by Braves pitcher, Pasquale Perez into the

back of the Padres Allen Wiggins. Is he one of the three? No. No, okay. As Wiggins, the three won't come up again. Let's just try to create the atmosphere. As Wiggins walked to first, he's pointing and yelling at the pitcher. Sure.

And his Padres teams come out onto the grass in front of the dugout. That's for those of you not familiar, they're not happy. They're showing teeth. Padres manager Dick Williams thinks the Braves are trying to intimidate his players with the hope that would lead to them crashing out and falling apart and going on a losing streak. Braves are trying to intimidate his players strikes. Right. So when a guy gets hit now, it seems more intentional than it did back then. Okay. But if you're a pitcher and you hit someone intentionally, is your role to sort of own it or are you going like, I don't mean to. You could do either. Either. Yeah. Bad boy, Bad Boy Phillips is what I'll call him now. Bad boy. To this day, says nothing was nothing was up quote, I would have known something.

I would have known something was going on. So he's like, it wasn't intentional. That's pretty cool to be like a bad boy to be like, I know what's up with my squad. He would hear in the dugout. Yeah. What was going on. Cause when you're in the, one of those positions where you're not in the thing, but you're just outside of it and everyone's talking to you, you kind of know more almost than the guys in the thing. Um, so now back then, if you hit, if you hit a bad, I, with the first pitch, one of your players is going to get hit.

Right. A retaliatory strike retaliation. Um, sometime during the game, you're right now, you know, someone's going to get hit. So I'm going to get hit. So Padres manager Dick Williams, very old school, and so he was for sure like he got to throw out one of their guys. So absolutely, this is one of baseball's unwritten rules. So he told his pitcher to throw a press and hit him. So San Diego starter was Ed Whitson.

Now you may remember Ed from the Billy Martin episodes because this season, the one we're talking about now, is a year later, he would be playing for the Yankees and Billy. And Ed got into a fight in a bar with Billy and Ed ended up with a broken rib and fractured hand. Okay. So maybe a little bit. He likes to play it loose. Ed doesn't take. He's open. He's open. He's open for business. Um, so back to present game. So Ed throws a pitch at the Braves pitcher who's now a bat Perez,

but it misses. It goes, it goes behind him. That's bad too. And present present is a pretty tall, skinny dude. He doesn't like it. And he starts kind of scampering around behind the plate and he's holding his bat like you would when you're going to hit somebody. But like defensively, he's like, who's coming at me? Still, it's wild. It's a little weird.

You're watching the game, you're like, these guys, there's like, who's coming at me? Like he's still in the wild. It's a little weird. You're watching the game. Like these guys are there's something's going on. Then he starts backing towards the dugout and then the Padres catcher jumps up and now he starts chasing him. So the Padres catcher chases him to towards the dugout and then they're the Braves players come out of their dugouts to stop the catcher. And then the Braves players come out of their dugouts to stop the catcher. And then the Padres come out of their dugouts. And they both end up standing on, you see this in a ton of we're going to fight, but we're not going to fight moments.

So they're on either side of home plate in a big bunch, both teams, and they're just kind of staring at each other. It's jarring. It's like in a bar when two dudes are yelling, and you're like, they neither of them want to fight. They neither want to fight. But they neither wants to seem weak. That's right. That's right.

And so, but they calm everybody down. They grab each other for a while. It's diffused. That is still wild for a guy to be running away and for a catcher to be like, you get up here and bat. You don't do that. So the umpires then give Edwitson and both managers warnings. So that means if anything else happens that we deem unacceptable, we get to just throw

you out. So they go back to playing and prez strikes out. Now the unwritten rules say, and there's a lot of fucking young people that just think the unwritten rules are dumb. I have a more complicated view of it. So it's unwritten rules. It's to police the game in itself because sometimes umpires do not police the game well. Are you talking about kind of gentlemanly rules sort of?

No, they're literally no, they're not gentlemanly rules. They're the game polices itself so certain shit doesn't happen, like throwing at a guy. So if you throw at a guy to hit a guy, then the team is like, okay, well now we're gonna do that because you don't want throwing at a guy to become commonplace. So it stops that.

Eye for an eye. On the other hand, you could destroy someone's career or seriously injure them, so it's kind of crazy. Sure. So I see both. Like I'm not I'm not a guy that's like, that's so terrible. That's awesome. It's kind of a gray area in the middle of the game place itself. And I do think now the unwritten rules are sort of gone. I think someone will at some point get tragically hurt. OK, that's my belief, but we'll see. We'll see what happens.

Is this going to be one of these clips that in like, you know, however long they're going to Preston will edit this to show you is saying that this is going to happen. But it's also, it's also as a tool of racists. So it was a great way to keep for white, not that good players to keep people like Ricky Henderson, quote unquote in line. Right? So it's because the Cubans, the Dominicans, dudes from Oakland had more flair

and they had more let's show it off and have a good time. So the white dudes who were boring and stiff, who probably listen to a Lawrence Welk, would throw at them to try to, so there's a lot of fucking bullshit. And I think you're sounding kind of negative on it. So, but people listening, like we, we lie, we think we need the white police people

to sort of keep the flair out of the game. It's important since we can't do it. You know what I mean? It's like white people can't dance as well. So nobody should dance. That's right. Yeah. But like I said, it's complicated.

If you could take the racism out of it, it might be a better thing. You can't take the racism out of it. So it's very, which is what makes it the great American pastime. But I do still think someone will get hurt. But whatever. Does that make it worth it? Probably not. Okay. Anyway, but people are going to get mad and act like I didn't just make a very sort of I'm all over the place on it argument and they'll just go you're so fucking old Guaranteed well, you are so fucking old So They hit they hit a guy got hit then they threw it a guy and missed him but

Under the unwritten rules, it's they still own They still owe him one. No, it's over. It's over. You let him know... You tried to hit him. You let him know with that pitch, we don't like what you did. Okay. And that's all you're supposed to do. And he got, he didn't get a little, it wasn't a little chin music, he got a backtrack.

He got through right behind. Because he was behind him and he moved forward. Yes. So, so that should be the end of it. That's it. You made your point. You had your chance. Another ball boy said, quote, I specifically remember looking at Greg Booker, who was a pitcher for the Padres. And I said, I can't believe that just happened.

And he just looked at me and smiled. And that's when I thought, oh, something's getting ready to go down. Really? We're teasing a moment here. So two years later, Perez comes back up to hit, right? So the pitcher who threw the first ball coming back up to hit and Ed Whitson is the pitcher and he's crazy Billy Martin guy, three inside pitches to Perez. None of them hit Perez because Perez is expecting it and he keeps jumping out of the way. Right. But the umpire still throws Ed out of the game after he's like,

that's it. This is too much. Yeah. We gave you a warning. Yeah. And they let him get away with the yeah. So whatever. So manager, um, and manager Dick Williams is out. So the manager and the player. Okay. And the bad boy looks at that Podrick's picture again, quote, I go, are we over now? And he goes, nope, it's only just begun. It should be over. It should have been way over.

They've tried to hit Perez four times. Right. So now you would be like, all right, look, he just dodged a bunch of them. He got the point. He got the point. Now a guy's, now two guys have been thrown out from the Braves. Yeah. So now, right from the Braves?

No, from the Padres. From the Padres. That's right. So two guys have been thrown out from the Padres. Mm-hmm. Now you have to say, we're done. But this is a predetermined... This is past the unwritten rule.

This is no longer the unwritten rules. This is revenge, weird. It'sined... This is past the unwritten rule. This is no longer the unwritten rules. This is revenge, weird. It's not... This is becoming lore. Yeah, it's not part of the unwritten rules anymore. So the same pitcher whose name is Booker is then... So the guy who said that, it's not... This is just starting.

He's now put in the game to replace Ed, who just got thrown out. So... They really want to hurt him. The next time Perez comes up, he gets walked, which kind of makes the Braves are like, oh, it's over. They just walked the guy. And then he comes up again to hit in the sixth inning.

And Booker's first pitch goes behind Perez again. Okay, another backtrack. But doesn't hit him again so. This dude's dodging a lot. Well the putter's having a hard time hitting him. He's a super. He's a bean pole. He's a super skinny guy and he's athletic so he's jumping out of the fucking way. Right. But that's making the situation more tense. So. Yeah because every time. It's like. Every time they throw a miss. Just hit him. Yeah it makes it worse. Yeah. They're getting angry watching it. Well, because also they're not supposed to be doing it.

Right. It's like I was dodging everything. So Booker is thrown out of the game as was the guy who took over as manager for the replacement manager, the original manager, the guy was pitching before him and the guy was currently pitching all tossed. An Atlanta Bat Boy said, quote, I think it felt like they were truly trying to hurt him from where I sat in the on deck circle. That's what it felt like. Right. I think that's right. Yes, they are trying to hurt him.

Yes. So the tension increases each time they miss him and the Braves also are upset because the Potteries weren't following the unwritten rules. Right. So he's a pitcher, a starting pitcher, what do you usually get at a starting pitcher? Five, six innings? No, back then, no, you get way more. Oh, so, okay. Back then baseball was baseball, so you'd throw a lot more.

So he would maybe go eight innings. Yeah, you try to go eight, yeah. Okay. So he's still innings. Yeah, you try to go eight. Okay. So he's still in there. So another Braves back voice said, quote, usually you hit or throw at a position player, not a pitcher. So that's the other thing is- Right.

Your revenge is being taken right out on the guy who hit him. Because they didn't hit, at the start of the game, they didn't hit a pitcher, they threw and hit a batter, and a good batter. So then your thing would be like so that's part of the way the whole Idea of it is you hit one of our good guys will hit one of your better same Okay better guys and what you don't want is your better guy to break a rib and be out for a couple weeks So don't throw it anybody right? That's the idea behind it, right, right? Which is crazy. But they're going right at the pitcher.

Yes. The guy who hit the guy, they're going right at him. And three times now. Yes. So, two managers out, blah, blah, blah. So, quote, usually you hit or throw at a position player, not a pitcher, but because they were intentionally going after a prez, the Braves were mad. They're

angry. Intentions were getting higher and higher as they could continue to throw at Perez. Throw it at the manager. It would have been different if they'd thrown at or hit Claudel. They were saying, this is not something that you do. Yes. Right. So throw it at Washington because he's the biggest guy on the team. Sure.

Right. Okay. The unwritten rules are very funny. Yeah, they are because they're unwritten, but they're very specific. It's like we're violating rules, but you've got to violate them with the rules. Violate rules with the rules about violating them. So most people watching the game, the broadcasters, the fans, and even some players thought it was over because now they've thrown it in three. They're like, yeah, that's done. They'd thrown in three bats now,

three bats now, the message delivered, but then Perez comes up to bat in the eighth. A lot of teams at this point would have taken him out of the game. Right, that's kind of what I was alluding to before. That's the difference, is I think now- Is that because he's being tossed at so much? You'd be like, get out of here.

Yeah, you don't want him hurt. But they're kind of, you'd be like, you don't want him hurt. But they're kind of posturing being like, fuck you. So Podrich's reliever, Craig Lefferts is now pitching, and he threw it Perez and finally hits him. Oh shit. Hits him in the side and the elbow. Oh boy. I love how lights are already going off.

Yep, dropping. And then all hell breaks loose. Where do they hit him? In the side, in the elbow and the side. The Braves charge out of their dugout, trying to get at Lefferts. Okay. And the Padres run out of their dugout and guys are now punching each other and tackling

each other. They have to have a real extra level of energy after wanting to hit Perez and the other side getting upset that they're trying to hit Perez. They're sitting in there sort of bubbling getting ready for it. Yeah. It's literally hours of just building up rage. Yeah. It is funny that the light went out.

Yeah, it's perfect. It's a Luke project. So the fight goes on for about a minute, and then it starts to slow down. And then there's like two separate piles of dudes as they try to get and hurt guys at the bottom. So they have like a main target. So like all the Braves want to get Lefferts

and the other guys want to get this guy. So they each are after a guy. But it seems to stopped. And then the Padres backup first baseman, Champ Summers, who's 6'2", 205 pounds, breaks away from the Braves Bob Watson who's holding him and runs toward the Atlantic dugout because he wants to get a piece of press who is now being held in there and guarded by other players. Wow.

And Braves player Bob Horner, who is not playing because he has a broken wrist. And who had been in street clothes the beginning of the game up in the press box watching the game is now in uniform. Because when the tension started and the almost fight started. Wow. He has the tension mounted. He came down to the clubhouse and he put on his uniform.

Purely to fight. Purely to fight. Oh my God, that's awesome. Now what do you think about, I actually gotta get out of here. What do you mean? I gotta go suit up. Your wrist is broken.

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slash host. Dollop. So now he's standing between champ summers and Perez. That boy quote, I don't think you could ever find one person that was on that team or was in that clubhouse that will ever tell you that they were surprised that Bob Horner showed up in uniform. I'll give you $500. You can find one person who says they were surprised that Bob Horner showed up in uniform. I'll give you $500 so you can find one person who says they were surprised. So this guy's ready. Yeah. So now Bob Horner and Champ Summers start fighting. Not only are they two really big hitters and big guys,

but it might be the biggest fight between two guys with the most baseball names ever. Really? Champ Summers and Bob Horner. Yeah, right, right. okay, right, right. They are fighting between the dugout and the on-deck circle and that's when some fans decide they should be involved. That's where it's always bad. You gotta, I mean, like, it's obvious,

look, you wanna get involved, let it play out. This is not where you belong. It's like at live shows when people are shouting out jokes. Yeah. It's like, enough. Yeah, thanks. One guy threw a beer at Summers, another jumps in and tries to grab Summers from behind,

and then another jumps into the fight, and the three of them take Champ to the ground. But, all right, let's just talk about, shouldn't do it, but how great is it when you and two dudes from the stands take down an MLB player and are beating him? You're like, this is beyond fantasy, KM. It's unbelievable.

I'm beating a baseball player up. On the diamond. So this is all really unusual, maybe unprecedented. Like, this is crazy, and it's, and it's happening from a few feet away from the bad boys who are just bad boys. Right. They don't know what to do. The bad boys saw fans getting involved, but their job is to keep track of equipment. So they are literally focused on what's happening with the equipment while the fights happening. In the sense that they're like, guys, take your gloves off. Well, no. Well, like if, if there's a game on and a bat, a guy hits and the bat goes down, you

got to run out and grab the bat. So nothing happens to the bat. But isn't that, don't you abandon your role during a brawl? No, you got to, that's more so. During a brawl, you're still just like, more so. Guys toss your mouth guards. Yeah. Well, yeah.

Get your, get your, your leg guard off. Whose cleats are these? Quote, it was a challenge for us to try to stay out of the way of what was going on. When we had to pick up the stuff and move out of the way, that's when I felt anxiety because it was coming right at us. So they're trying to grab stuff. They're grabbing equipment that's getting like beaten off. Yeah.

Good God. So. Guys, hold on. It's not like one constant. Who's cop? It's not like one constant battle. So if you've ever, people who've seen basketball fight, yeah, it's different. It's separate piles. It's separate piles. It starts and it stops. It looks like it's calmed and then all of a sudden one guy throws a punch and then it's not. And then everything kicks off again. So it's just like... Well, I think part of the thing too, isn't it? The fighting is exhausting. Yeah.

Like you, I don't think you really in your head, you're like, let's go. But it's like, literally a minute is like, that was a long time. Um, quote, it seemed to go on forever. I do remember being frightened at one time. I don't know if we were going to get sucked into it. So the bad boys are worried that they're gonna get, have to be involved. I would 100% get involved as a bad boy.

That's where you become a bad man. It's a bat mitzvah. What do you want me to do with that? I just think, I think it's pretty good. I really, I will defend? I just think it's pretty good. I will defend it. I think it went pretty good. The Padres' second baseman, Tim Flannery, is fighting the Braves' Gerald Perry because

he, Perry, had attacked Lefferts. The Padres' Bat Boys come over to be with the Braves Bat Boys. That's cute. That is cute. Have you ever had that? I've had that where I've had a friend of mine fighting and the two guys fighting wanted to fight, but me and the other friend didn't want our friends to fight,

so me and the other friend very quickly were like, we're good. I wish they weren't doing it too. Like, let's try to remain as impartial through this event as possible. I've had both. I've had the one where you're like, you fuck you too! Or the one where you're like, let's go over here. Yeah. Quote, we were joking. We said, are we supposed to fight with each other? In reality, none of the bad boys wanted to have anything to do with it. They were worried that because they were in uniforms,

they would be mistaken for a player and have to fight. So their uniforms look almost the exact same. Oh yeah, yeah. But a Braves bad boy sees a bat in the middle of the field on the grass. This is Phil's. Protocol suggested I go over there and grab it. His bad boy instincts kick in. I got to get over there. I'll cover you.

He runs for it. Oh, picks it up. Starts running back to the dugout. And now in the middle of grown men fight him, punching and tackling and body slamming each other. Quote, I pick up the bat. I turn around and I get nailed. I love it. And it was Alan Wiggins.

He nailed me. So the guy who got hit at the beginning. He's just like, you're a small man. He just takes out a bad boy. Does he know it's a bad boy? I don't know, probably not. I would hope not. Yeah.

It's sort of like they're the press. They're like wearing the press outfit in war. It's like, don't shoot them. But it's also, either works for me, honestly, just to be like, when am I going to get a chance to punch a child again? Or you're just like, that looks like one of the guys. Quote, a couple of guys picked me up,

walked me into the dugout. I remember Joe Tory looking at the security guard and says, don't let these guys out of the dugout, which I wasn't going to go anywhere anyway. The Bat Boys? Yeah. We're not trying to. He's like, I learned my lesson getting that bat.

Who's going to grab that shoe? But while they are just Bat Boys, they are considered part of the team. The family. The unwritten rules here. Well, they are. They're like, they're traveling with them, and they're with them all the time.

They're juggling around with them. Do any players have to share a room with the Bat Boy? No, no. Can the Bat Boys travel with the teams? I think some did. You can't just be like, we hire local. No, well, yeah. I mean, back in the day, they used to.

They don't travel. I can't believe I'm sharing a room with a grown athlete. Go to bed. They don't travel now. What do you want to talk about? Do you like constellations? What the fuck? I'm dumb as a 17 year old.

I don't know, I care. It's been a while. Or I guess, yeah, it would be different. He'd be like, what's fucking like? Yes! So the players feel protective of and have the backs, the bad boys. Sure.

So Brave, Claudel Washington, looks at a bad boy who got clocked and tells him he'll take care of it. Quote, and he did. I'm not going to go on record to how he did that. So Claudel Washington went out there. Do we know? We don't know. But he probably went out there and hurt Wiggins or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, he went out there and fucking worked W and fucking worked with a finger in his butt or something. Well, that's really not what I was thinking It's disarming Fight in a fight if a guy's head is taken. Uh-huh go for the butt. Don't be afraid to toss a digit in the back I feel you shouldn't be giving fight advice and then and then and then hook it Yeah, you should definitely not be giving what you do is you put it in the butt, you hook it and you drag. Are you trying to, okay. Yeah, let's just not talk about that. You tell him he's gonna, he's not gonna take note.

I don't know, I don't wanna know, I don't wanna have it in my head. It's a bum cushion, get back there. It could have easily been a mistaken, a case of mistaken identity with Padres Allen Liggins not realizing he was taking on a bad boy, but it didn't matter. They had justice had to happen.

It didn't matter. Agreed. Now, most bad boys are said are in their late teens, but there's also Mike Borzello, who's Joe Torey's godson. Okay. Who's now a coach with the Cubs, I think. He was 13. See the Constellation thing plays.

He was 13 and he... See, the Constellation thing plays. Hey! He was 13. Home! And in uniform as an honorary Batboy that day. See? He was clearly smaller than the other Batboys and Torres told Batboy Cliff Phillips that he had to keep an eye on Mike for the day. That was before it all started. That's hilarious on that day to be like, he's gonna be here today, so just keep an eye on him.

He's, which made. A man's dead. It makes the entire situation far more stressful. So Phillips is just more stressed than ever. Yeah. Quote, I'm not sure how Michael got knocked down, but I remember I got back to the dugout and his uniform was completely muddy.

Wait, was he the one who, he's not the one who got knocked? No. Okay, right, right. But he comes back and he's just off. But that makes the fight worse because the players are like, who the fuck took down Mike? The bad boys are being beaten up. Yeah. Dirty bad boy uniforms are not the norm. But bad boys don't get dirty. Right. And that was your first rap album? Uh, yeah. That boys don't get dirty? Yeah, yeah. Everybody knows that. It was a train wreck. Phillips was thinking, why is he so dirty? Because you're never dirty.

You don't get that uniform dirty. The only reason you get the uniform dirty is if you're on the crowd. I remember both of them were dirty and I was like, what the heck? No one knows what happened to Mike or how he got dirty. I don't watch baseball, but everything that sort of takes place outside of it is better than the game to me. Yes. Like everyone's drunk or taking drugs or the swapping wise.

It used to be like that. It's much more. Yeah. Now, like back in the day, like I would not watch it, but like I would watch a show about baseball. It's one of the reasons I find baseball so boring is because it's been so sanitized. All these guys go through media training

and all this other training before they get there. So they're all just- Give us the psychos. We deserve them. The lunatics are what makes it fun. Yeah. Yeah. So it-

I can't help but think that this will stop communism. So what has happened is one of the craziest ugly things to happen on a baseball time. It's really crazy. It took 12 minutes to settle things down and restart the game. And when they did, six more players were ejected and several fans were arrested. And then came the ninth inning. Oh, shit. Before they start, they have to announce over the loudspeakers, the players that were kicked out and they,

to do that data, figure out who they'd kicked out. So it takes a little bit of time before they restart. Okay. Then the game gets started and the new Braves pitcher is Donnie Moore and he's facing Padres hitter, Craig Nettles. Again these are two, well Nettles is like a giant of the game. Moore's known for something else but Moore it turns out and Nettles had fought each other on the field in the last inning. So no one was gonna be shocked if Moore threw at Nettles and just before the inning started, just before the inning started,

the Braves manager, Joe Torre, tells Moore not to pitch inside. He's like, do not throw it this guy. Let's get out of here. We made the point. The point is over. Do not stop. Ninth inning, start the car.

Batboy Phillips quote, knowing Donnie Moore the way I knew him, there was zero doubt that it was going to happen. I think everybody was ready. Well, why did he put him in then? That is true. That is a really good point because first of all, they are going, no, they-

Who's winning? Well, they're winning. The Braves are winning. Okay, so he is trying to just competitively close this up. Yeah, and Moore's a really good pitcher. So maybe that's why, but also you're right. If he was fighting with nettles on the field Why are you gonna have him go up there when great put one guy in for that one and then bring in more after?

On the second pitch more hits nettles in the ass Nettles runs out to attack more and the fight starts all over again. I if I either dug out I'd be like starts all over again. If I either dug out, I'd be like, ah! Fine! Nettles is spun around by Moore, and then he's tackled by Chris Chambliss. Then it calms down for a second, and then absolutely furious with rage,

Chris Nettles. No, sorry, Kurt Bavacqua. Kurt Bavacqua? That sounds like a cologne. I remember Kurt Bavacqua. Kurt Bavacqua? That sounds like a cologne. I remember Kurt Bavacqua. I remember him for two reasons. One being when I'm about to play, but two because the name.

Bavacqua. You can just never forget the name. Must and dirt mixed together. Bavacqua. Sometimes my gloves will stink, but it smells good to me because it's from my sweat. Because he's not like a really talented player. He's okay. But he's, um, he's known because of his name, just like Buddy Bianca Lana.

A fragrance by MLB. Do you remember Buddy Biancalana? No. The only reason you would know it is because Dave Letterman got obsessed with his name when he was in the World Series. And eventually had him on, even though he was just like a nobody player.

That's great. So Bavaqua runs out onto the field. So it's kind of calm down, right? And then all of a sudden, here comes Buddy Biancalana. So, Bavaqua runs out onto the field, so it's kind of calmed down, right? Everyone's, and then all of a sudden here comes Buddy, Buddy, sorry, Kurt Bavaqua, and he's just running out, he's throwing punches at everybody. Now, Bavaqua's not a big fan of being hit by pitchers.

Two years before, when a Dodgers pitcher had thrown at and hit a padre and then got fined for it, Bavacqua said about the Dodgers manager, Tommy Lasorda, quote, the guy they should have fined was the guy who ordered him to throw at Joe, that fat little Italian man. But this is sports mafia. It's like he took a hit out on him.

Lasorda's at the top. So Lasorda's the fat little Italian man. Yes. And this is what Lasorda responds with. I'll tell you what I think about it. I think that is very, very bad for that man to make an accusation like that. That is terrible. I have never seen anything like that.

I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad thing. I mean, I think that's a very, very bad for that man to make an accusation like that. That is terrible. I have never, ever since I've managed, ever told a pitcher to throw at anybody, nor will I ever.

And if I ever did, I certainly wouldn't make him throw at a fucking 130 hitter like LeFay or fucking Bavaqua who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a fucking boat and I guarantee you this when I pitched and I was gonna pitch against a fucking team that had guys on it like Bavaqua I sent a fucking limousine to get the cocksucker to make sure he was in the motherfucking lineup because I kicked that cocksucker's ass any fucking day in a week. He's a fucking motherfucking big mouth, I'll tell you that. Was that recorded on a blimp?

That's just what it was like back then, man. Dude, that is... I mean, that is fucking, that, see, that's what I mean. Like that is so much more interesting than strike one. That's not interesting. Whoa, that was great. No, because it's, because you know what it is, look, yes, it's.

A Valka couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat is dynamite. It's so funny because, you know, wrestling is, I personally think MLB has been, wrestlized is whatever you wanna call it. Because it's now all sort of fake-ish stuff. It's like they think up what they're gonna do three days ahead of time.

Who does, you mean? The players. You know, the thing is that you're not to cut you off, but you're probably hinting at the point of like social media is an independent game. And so people do things independently for their social media wins. Whereas you used to almost be like,

it used to be like team retaliation. It was organic. In the moment it was. But now you have like a guy, like a guy won't like that someone, I think it was a pitcher said he could throw with one eye and get a player out. And then the player hit a home run and the players right on the bases doing this with his finger on one eye. And it's just like, okay, man, like, yeah, hey, cool.

Like you thought up something three days ago. It's just very like obvious and sort of stupid. But there's also nothing really to it. Like it doesn't really, it seems like you don't care that much. I don't know. I mean, they still do care, but it's just, there's just this level of like surfacey showman stuff

that's to me really dumb as opposed to like organic. And I think that's what turns me off from it. Yeah, there's so much sand, I mean obviously, look he's fucking tossing around cocksucker a lot out there. There's a lot of that. But there is this like the sanitized nature of stuff now. That's what's so funny about watching, like the Disneyfication of ESPN and stuff like that

where it's like there's just not enough stuff to sift through to make a week out of just highlights. So you do need some interesting off the field shit. And like, there really isn't that much anymore. It's like, there's some, but. Like right now there's a super sports lull because NBA has ended, hockey has ended, most soccer has ended, and they're trying to force new soccer in, because NBA has ended, hockey has ended, most soccer has ended and

they're trying to force new soccer and college baseball has ended. And this is when they really shouldn't be anything at all. But they're trying to fill space. They have to. That's where it becomes soap opera. That's really like if you, I mean, watching ESPN in the morning is I have not done it and God knows. You can't do it. It's all it is is just like, you know, it's literally insufferable to watch Mike Greenberg host any show now. Because he's like, why don't you throw which helmet you think is going to finish first in the division at that wall and see if it'll stick with the Velcro wall. Because we're talking about the Velcro wall. And you're like, what? Well, that's when you can tell that they were trying to spruce it up

and they brought in they brought in producers. Yeah, totally. Dr. Phil and all those other things, because that's a super Dr. Phil. The it's well, it's the same with any news shit too. When you want like, it's made us just the dumbest shit where it's just like, here's an event. You two debate what you think. It's like, this is not, what?

This is not anything. This is two people just trying to have an argument. Which is arguing was at one point entertaining. You can't make an argument about everything. It's the same when you watch social media clips of people being like, wait, what? You're not gonna be able to wait what you're, at some point, it's not gonna work anymore.

I don't know when we're gonna hit that wall, but at some point, you're not gonna be able to be like, I know you shit all over crowd work and crowd work, but if I'm like, I will wait for an actual thing that's interesting to happen. You watch it, it's just like, you all wore sneakers? And you're just like, yeah? What?

Yeah. It's a normal thing. You two been getting it for five years? You took it for five years. Okay. So um, so again, bodies tackling, throwing, chasing, hitting, um, the players who had been ejected now run back out. That's not allowed. That's super.

You're an Arkham. Uh, they get order restored briefly, but then... You are re-ejected! But then Goose Gossage comes out and attacks more and the whole fight kicks off again. Now Padre's Tim Flannery gets sucker punched by Perry. Remember they had been fighting earlier. It doesn't go on as long as the eighth inning fight, but now fans are getting even more involved. So this is before they started limiting beer.

Now they shut down beers in the seventh inning. But back then it just kept flowing. You could get a beer up until the game ended. And if it went into extra innings, they would reopen everything up again. They should do that. I agree. But a lot of people went to games specifically to just get shit faced. Yes. It wasn't crazy. It was a normal beer price. It was really just a reason to go eat like shit and like there was something else going on in the background.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's just like your friends could get drunk and order food from a guy walking by. So it's the ninth inning, so a lot of people are really drunk. Right. So fans above the Padres dugouts start getting into shouting matches with the Padres players. And then one of them threw a beer at the Padres.

Quote, a fan threw a beer on champ summers and champ became unglued. He tried to go over the top of the dugout to go after this fan, but he was restrained. Now furious Kurt Bavacqua also loses his shit and goes after a fan. The cops were by the dugout and they stopped him and they end up restraining Bavacqua on top of the dugout. Wow. It got dug out of respite. Ed Wilson, a pottery pitcher who started it, was now in the dugout shirtless.

Jesus Christ. I said Wilson, right? It's not, it's, what's his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got his shirt off? So that was a choice. I think it got ripped off. It got ripped off. It got ripped off. Now that's hot. And I recommend anybody go online and just put in Padres Braves Fight 1984 and look at the pictures. And it the the the pictures of ed who we're talking about

are he's the crazy guy in the dugout so i'll show you this picture right here gareth um that's that's ed in the dugout oh my god does he look like a guy who just got in a meth fight yeah well yes completely um yeah looks like he just to like, just got divorced and got to fight the guy that stole his wife. Wow. This brawl is nuts. Yeah. So, um, so insane. So Ed also eyes. It looks like blinking hasn't happened in a long, long time. And it's not going to happen for a long time. No, no.

It looks like his eyelids have been taken. Yeah, blinking's out of the picture for me. So he's shirtless. He also had to be restrained as he wanted to attack both the fans and the Braves. A Batboy quote, I remember the look in Ed Witson's eyes. It was a look that I went, oh shit, and I didn't want to see Ed like that ever.

That's the guy we just looked at. Yeah. Well down the left field line a fan ran onto the field and tried to steal a batting helmet. Alright so this guy is like this is a good time to try to do that. I guess but the bat remember that now you're trouncing on batboy territory that's equipment. That's right. Batboy quote Braves infielder Jerry Royster just kind of tackles him, throws him back on the ground, kicks him in the butt and says, get the hell off the field. He could have beaten him with the helmet.

The delay of this fight last 15 minutes. So now the umpires have to figure this out. Does the fight stop because they're kind of tuckering themselves out a little bit? Yeah. But also there's what? Four umpires? I mean, there's not enough of them to undo this. There's other players stopping it. There are players who are trying to stop the fight. Yeah. No, I don't know if there's much security But but also if you get the hotheads Right out of it because it's always one guy or running in like Pavock right or Summers or whatever there's always a few guys right just out of their mind right take the fuses out So the umpires do what no one's ever heard of they order both teams benches

So the guys who aren't playing in the field into the clubhouse for the rest of the game they or okay interesting so the dugouts are empty right so now it's just the players on the field a couple of bad boys and some bullpen guys that were amazed starting to get kind of weird bat boy Phillips said this was a very smart decision and probably stopped it from getting really bad. Good God. Oh buddy, it's already bad. It's horrible.

Quote, it could have been worse than it was. I've got to be honest, it could have been worse. At least in my dugout, there were a lot of really ticked off guys. The Pottery scored two runs in the ninth, but the Braves win. The game keeps going. It keeps going. What do they got? They have to play it.

The Pottery, although they could have just stopped it. That's it. 1 45 a.m. Bottom of the ninth. The man is dead. Six people are dead. There's a bird that's passed away. Four fires and it looks like a sink hole is open a deep right field

We got to get out of here. My son starts school in four hours We've since started school in 545 No, I know because I'm in a different city and I got to go back to where I'm from You're forgetting the time difference. What are you here to poke holes? Let's just finish this fucker, huh? The Braves win five to three and after the game all the shit talking started. Both teams blamed each other for starting it and they all expected it to continue when they met again the next month.

Joe Tory, Braves manager, quote, Dick Williams is an idiot. Spell that with a capital I and a small W. Dick Williams, tell Joe Tory to stick that finger he's pointing. Williams also quote, there's not enough mustard in the state of Georgia to cover Perez. Perez quote, I'm no hot dog. Just keep it to fighting. The shit talk is. How is he a hot dog? He just actually hit a guy. He's not a hot dog. I'm still caught up on idiot with a capital I and a capital W.

Idwiet? Or his last name? No. So his name, he's saying his name would be Idiot Williams, but he's such a little man, you don't capitalize the W. It's just pretty... It took a lot. That's like when I would read Shakespeare and be like, what is he saying? Yeah, it's like, you want to be Joe, That's a little sweaty. You don't want a different It's a little much although sweating. I'm here. I'm Joe Tory ready. Yeah. All right, ask for a quote on him

You have a quote on he's an idiot. Fuck that guy We're gonna beat the shit out of him if he's not careful boom done. He spells name though. I D I O T W small w I L L I'm no hot dog W I L L. I'm no hot dog. What I was thinking of sweaty meant you were trying too hard or something. And now it means the opposite with kids. So I feel like that was sweaty, but it means like it was awesome.

Oh, this is tough. Yeah, it's not good. Can't hang out with this. That's some skibbity toilet shit. Player Jerry Royster, quote, too much too much went on for it to be over. We're looking for it. Player Bobby Brown quote, stay tuned for round two. There was concern this fight would have an impact on the entire league. And after the game, the empire talked on the phone to the league office for a long time and he told them, quote, this has put baseball back 50 years. So the fight is nationwide news.

ABC's Nightline does, which is a late night show that's on opposite Letterman and the Tonight Show, they do a long story on it, but nothing changed. The Braves would show clips to every team that came to Atlanta to play because they all wanted to see it. Because there wasn't video on the news that they had. They had all the...

Oh, shit. They had their stadium clips. Wait, so if they're doing reporting on it, it's just pictures only? I think there is some video, but they had the cameras of the field that they used. Right, right. Wow. But something surprising happened or didn't happen. There was no fight when the teams met six weeks later.

Enough time had gone by for things to simmer down and maybe all the media attention made them feel that they look like fucking idiots. I would imagine, you go home and your wife's like, what the fuck were you doing? He hit me in the buttocks. Yeah, everyone's getting, the moms are calling and going, what is happening with you?

I'm sorry. The Padres had clinched the division, so there was nothing to play for. Okay. And the two managers spoke and made up. Oh, that's cute. Perez even pitched and got a win in the rematch. So he fucking pitched in the rematch.

That's wild. Which is. That's a wild decision. That's really crazy, because he doesn't have to pitch. Yeah. It's, depending on how many games he was trying to win or whatever. That's a wild decision. They could have just held him out. Right. But people

still talk about the fight today. It's way up on the list of worst sports fights ever. If not the top one, can we see highlights of it now? Oh yeah. I think you can find some of it. Yeah. It's not like it was a common thing. One of the bad boys who played through high school said, quote, I've never seen anything like this ever. Now a lot of these guys are famous baseball players. Joe Torre would go on to win many world series as a Yankees manager. Goose Gossage is considered an all time reliever. Bob Horner is a, is a Braves legend. Donnie Moore gave up one of the most legendary playoff home runs in history.

And then soon after shot his wife who survived, but then he killed himself. A lot of people think he committed suicide because angel fans are so mean to him after giving up the whole run, but in truth he was just fucked up. And then Dave Gervicki famously was throwing a pitch, his arm cracked and he found out he had cancer. And then he got cured at cancer.

Did he have his arm cut off? Did he have one arm cut off? Well, he came back and then it broke again. So anyway, and Eric Show became a fame. So Eric Show, the main John Bercher, loudmouth guy would be revealed to be just a massive drug addict. Was he able to, did he eradicate the world of communism? He didn't, what he did was eradicate himself. I gotta say this umpire in this brawl is big boned. Watching this umpire get involved in this is crazy.

Yeah. This is crazy. You can watch it on YouTube. It's kind of like, like to what you were saying, it's like, it's so sloppy because it is not like everyone wants to be involved. A lot of people are trying to sort of stop it. Yes. But there's still some hotheads. There's always guys trying to stop it. It's really just male culture. There's just like a number of ones where you're like, what are you doing? Most of us are trying to be like, please no.

And then there's like a few dudes outside trying to swing punches and you're like, Frank. Jesus, dude. This again? Yeah. There's just definitely. I think the difference in this. Oh, the guy running from out of nowhere to try to get in the dugout. And then when the fan throws the beer at his head,

there's a woman getting knocked down over there. I mean, it's a bad fight. The difference between this fight and other fights is I think that more dudes wanted to fight. Right. Because I very specifically in my memories have these pictures of certain players doing certain things.

Like I remember when the Dodgers got into a fight and there was like that pile and it didn't seem that bad. And all of a sudden Gary Sheffield runs from out of right field and just jumps in the pile, just fucking hitting people and then he kicks off. And you're like, right, that guy was out of his fucking mind. Yeah, that's kind of what is happening here. It's a lot of time to try to figure it out.

Jesus Christ. The outfits are awesome. Baseball fights are when they're real fights, they're they're really insane. Dude, it keeps traveling to like different zones. It's like it's like it kind of ends over in one area. Then one guy's like, whoo. Yeah. Yeah. They just, they just move around. So where is, where does the, is this the worst baseball fight on the field? That's considered the worst. I still kind of think the Giants Cardinals was, because they fought more than once over a couple of years. And the last- So it's a spanner. The last fight was like nothing I had ever seen. It went on for a long time.

And one pitcher had like broken ribs and a broken arm. And like it was, like it was, it was guys. I remember very specifically guys getting knocked down and other guys jumping on top of them with their cleats. You know, what's kind of funny about baseball fights too, is that while they are athletes, the conditioning level for baseball athletes in the 80s say is Way lower than other sports. Yeah, and so these guys are gassed These these this is like the biggest cardio workout some of these men have had in their lives

Yeah, they're not they're not doing a lot of cardio stuff. There's not a lot. Oh boy that pitch in the elbow they're doing a lot of a lot of hitting and throwing They're hitting throwing but there's like there's there's they're chubby. Yeah, there's a lot these guys are chubby and they're getting your gas Yeah, I mean there's a reason you there's pictures of them smoking and then dug out and shit Like cuz they just partied and hung out and drank and then played baseball kind of better It is better. You know what? I gotta say like watching Finn go through the process of playing travel ball and stuff, it's just all so individualized.

There's no team sort of camaraderie. Maybe at the high school level, but so many of the high school level coaches are just such pieces of shit that it's all just such a fucking mess. And then you're trying to survive on your own and trying to become good on your own without your coach destroying it.

And it's just all completely individualized. So I think they grew up in a time when it wasn't individualized and it was truly a team sport. And now I think it's not as much of a team sport. Yeah. It is. There's so much, like, yeah, we are just so selfish now. So it's pretty reflective of society. But like they also like it's now a sport where you have to work out like Finn is like,

he's jacked, he's jacked. And it's and not a lot of his teammates are but if you want to go on to the next level, you got to be jacked. And he wants to play the next level. So these, the kids who really want to get better are all jacked. And then there's kids on his team that just look like regular, like 16 year olds or like scrawny and like, yeah, I hang out with my buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, no. And now if you see, if you see any college guys, like, I mean, I went and saw the top 25 programs, Vanderbilt and UCLA play, and I was just like, these guys are like physical specimens and they're just in college. It's always funny when you go to watch sports versus on the TV. Because you'll be watching the TV and be like, this guy's fat. Then you go to the game and you're like, these are illegal monsters.

I shot a commercial once for the UFL, which I think is now not a thing any longer. But so it was like, you know, players who weren't good enough for the NFL, they were playing in a secondary league. And I mean, it was shocking. Yeah. Shocking.

I was like, how the fuck, how can these guys not be NFL? Did the baseball players that you see that are like in like division three school is just like what yeah, it's like a monster. I know Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. But all the kids now are really fucked up from you from Tick-tock and working out and getting muscles The boys really what do you mean? They've all become influenced into just, not all of them, but a lot of them, into really working out and being this muscle chiseled dude.

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an Unwitting Role in the Wildest Brawl Ever. That was a big part of my source search here. That was by Jon Foster, right? That was by Jon Foster. I read that one, that's how I know. Who's a hell of a guy. Then another one of my sources for this was, wow, what a strike.

Then I also went on The Ringer. I love The Ringer, remembering baseball's right-wing rotation. So that's where you're gonna get your birch fix. Also a big article by Ryan Curtis. Right, that's the same article by Ryan Curtis. Same article as the one I was saying before. You knew that already. But we'd do that one, and that was a big one for me on that. And then that's the same article. Same article as the one I was saying before, but we do that one and that was a big one for me.

And then you got stuff from YouTube. And then I did a lot of YouTube stuff and a lot of you porn stuff. I did a lot of you porn for this one. I don't know if you need to say that. No, I did. I did a lot of you porn stuff. And what are some of the titles?

Titles of the you porn stuff. Yeah. That's not a bit. That was one of them. What was it? And then ball grabs. I did a lot of... Why is that it's not a bear in Australian? That's not a bat having Australian accent?

I thought you said bear. No, no. That's not a bat, why is it Australian? Because it's this guy, Cockatiel Dundee. He's really good. I wish I hadn't asked. You know when you do that and you wish Dundee. He he's really good. I wish I hadn't asked, you know, when you do that and you wish you had. He's really good. And anyway, we're excited.

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