The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 692 - Jimmy Swaggart - part two

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine televangelist and sex machine Jimmy Swaggart  SOURCES TOUR DATES OFFICIAL MERCH     Hydrow - Code: Dollop Hims  Mint Mobile 

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Okay, so we are back in with Jimmy Swaggart who has essentially risen up through the ranks and he's a massive televangelist, the biggest in the country. He's eliminated other televangelists to grow his audience. He's peak. He's peak Swaggart. It's 1985, I think. He's got swag. He has TV audience of 2.1 million, Ministries complex is worth 100 million. He's got 1500 employees. He has a college.

So he is tearing it. Colleges. When you have the college, that's when you're. Yeah, that's right. I'm pretty good now. Yeah. Fawwai's got a college. He's got a college. Yeah. Yeah. They're loving it at that point.

So a swagger, like a lot of other U.S. born agains actively supported Renamo, which is the Mozambique Mozambican National Resistance. You knew that, you knew that. I have to tell you that. It was great as I've heard this one before. What is this? It's a Renamo or renamo, probably renamo.

It is a very anti-communist political and militant group in the 15 year Mozambique Civil War. Well, I'll tell you, if people ever figure out that there's a lot of good in communism, there's gonna be a lot of reckoning to do. Yeah, con men like televangelists savagely attack communism because they're fucking con men. You know, it really is the ideology version of heavy metal. They just keep being like, don't don't get involved there.

You'd be in a lot of trouble if you tried communism. Yeah. involved there. You'd be in a lot of trouble if you tried communism. So Mozambique and Angola made the mistake of overthrowing colonial rule and installing socialist governments while having tons of natural resources. That's obviously not how you do it. Well, nobody needs more freedom than the places with resources. They need to be democratized in the way that we see fit. And for people who don't know what that version of democracy is, that's where we put a shithead in charge,

we'll do whatever we say and give us everything. And then you're gonna be probably like, they'll be like a slave market at some point. Well that, okay. Yeah. A mark. It's called freedom. Yeah, that sounds freedom. A Marxist group wanted to form a one party state out of Angola, Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau

and war started. Now, Ranamo were accused of systematic war crimes and killing many civilians. Okay. So of course they were supported by right wing Christian organizations. Because who doesn't they were supported by right wing Christian organizations because who doesn't love killing more than right wing Christian organizations in the U.S. One was called child care ministries to which Jimmy is a huge donor.

Sure. Now remember when he got the estate funds, right? He's got all that money. So thrice widow. Yeah, this really rich widow dies, she leaves him a bunch of money. One of those things are oil wells, and he gets $100,000 a month,

but he has to give it all to child ministries. I will tell ya, we are got to rise up. We have a got to drive up. We have a good job. It's just I just said it again. And every time I hear it, I just it's the craziest. Yeah. So because that was the that was the court solution. Like what I write, I can't. So we have come to a determination that we think everyone will find appropriate.

So he's promoting Renamo on TV and a photo taken at a Renamo base showed piles of religious books, and most of them are swaggered books. So he's taking the hundred thousand dollars and just cracking out books and sending them to fucking Africa like fucking Jesus. Just like fucking just the worst people. What about food? You fuck NBA championship runner-up jerseys. Right, you can be sending clothes, food, medicine, like you know the basics to survive or you can send him books.

Which is so again, it's like so they it's like The idea that they always are asking like what would Jesus do and? And it's like, well, what the fuck you think you do? What would he do? It would be food. It would be food and survival items. Yeah. So now it turns out Jimmy has been seeing a sex worker.

Dave. Her name was Deborah Murphy with two E's, not a Y. So already, not a Murphy bed. Already. I think she's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Murphy. He picked her up on the street. Boy, that's so careless for a guy. Right. So much to lose. Like why would you just, although, okay, so there's no internet. Right, yeah. There's ads, there's definitely ads in like your weekly magazines like your SF Weekly,

the like independent newspapers in every city. Paper trail though. Ads in the back. Paper trail. But you can just call them and go, hey, I don't know how else you would find one back then. I'm sure there were other ways, uh, harder for sure. Much harder than now. Uh, but anyway, he, he,

he picks up a lady who's a street walking and he asked her questions to be sure she wasn't a cop. Like what? I don't know. Hello. Are you, uh, are you a cop? Well, you could be like, can I see your privates? I don't think a cop would show. So you roll up and you go, may I see your vagina? Yeah, that's okay. So there you go. I think it took us a minute, but we figured it out.

Or can I see your boobs? May I see everything? Yeah, well, I mean, but I mean, like, you know, the act itself is like checking for a wire. So, you know, it'd be like, may I search you for a while? Yeah. I don't know what else you'd ask. I mean, they have you know, the act itself is like checking for a wire. So, you know, it'd be, may I search you for a while? Yeah. I don't know what else you'd ask. I mean, they have to have been ridiculous questions.

Are you a police officer? No. So she gets in her car, in his car, sorry, and lifts up her skirt. So, oh, I'm right, cops aren't supposed to expose themselves to Johns. That's a trap, man, if they do, apparently. It's just for, it's just, no,

but it's just for cops to do now whenever they want. Well, now cops can, a cop can fuck a sex worker now and then arrest them. Yeah, yeah. Well, because we figured out how the system should be. Like, we've, well now, like, a guy pretending to be a cop can just take someone. So that's a problem that's only going to get worse. And that's good. Okay. So if a cop shows you their privates, by the way, you know what I'm going to do next time

I get pulled over? Yeah, I want to see your coxer. Yeah, that's fair. We make sure you're asking the cop that. Yeah. It's just a traffic stop. Yeah. I feel like you're not getting what's going on here.

I think I haven't worked out the perfect version yet, but I do think I'm... Sir, I believe you to be a police officer. May I see your penis? I think that works. You pull me over, right? You pull me over, you walk up the window, do the license and registration. Sir, can I see your license and registration please? Sir, I have a suspicion that you're a police officer. Before I hand you anything, may I see your penis? Yes. Okay. I think this guy's a cop.

Okay. So she said he looked like Jimmy Swagger. And he said that popular. He said people say that, but his name is actually Billy. I'm actually, my name is actually. My cousin's name? My name, I know two names. I get that all the time.

My name's actually Billy Lee. My name is Billy Lee. The first time he jerked off in a car. So the first time he sees her, he just jerks it. Great. That's, you know, okay. That's great. But then he saw her again and again.

I wonder where he put it. The stuff? Yeah. Probably on the. Cup holder? Dash. Interesting. He had her pose naked at first.

And then. Well, he's really trying to keep it. He really, he really And he's really trying to keep it. He really, he really is trying to keep it. He's trying to be as clean as possible. Yeah. Then he used a sex toy. He had her use a sex toy on herself. Okay.

And I'm going to bang this paper cup. You put it in there and I'll give it to me. There we go. After a while, she blew him. I think this time you should blow me. This is, this is wonderful. I wasted so many visits. Oh boy, this is better. This is so much better than drinking off of the car. You're not a cop, right? Yeah, I'm a cop. My name's Doug. Oh my God. And then eventually they had sex. Doug Clark.

So they're banging now. She lived in a hotel room and once Jimmy saw a picture of her nine-year-old daughter and he asked her about her family. I just can't. Just. I mean. All right. I'm going to devil's advocate. Okay. Yeah. I mean. that doesn't seem neighborly. It's not terrible, I guess, like you are being. I mean, if you're sincere. Yeah, I think you know what I mean? It's probably like it's awkward. Also, you could keep the kids out of it. I think it's OK.

I think it's I think I think here I'll do it. This is a NASA hotel room. Who are you now? Huh? I'm Jimmy. OK, and you just talk like that. Yeah. I guess check in. All right. Ready? OK, go.

Well, hello. Hi. Oh, this is a NASA hotel room. Thanks. You've been here a bunch. Hey, is that your daughter? Yes, she's nine. What is what's her favorite subject? She likes Jimmy Swaggered Ministries. Oh, my dick is out.

Why? What? Is it in that time? I guess that's why you're here. I finished. I guess that's why you're here. I finished. I guess he did ask about it. Yes, it's like how you do it. Quote. Then he started asking me questions like, has she started to develop? Oh, Kido key, you know, private parts.

Oh, my gosh. What the fuck? Got to be her boobs. I mean, it developed. Does she have a tits? I said, well, no, she's only nine years old. It's fair. That's a fair. No, no, now I get why you were upset. Well, you don't, you first, yes,

because they're completely sexual. They're there for sex, and you don't start talking about your kids. Like just. I think I could buy the opening small talk, but then asking about boobs of a nine year old, obviously that's where we're. Yeah, it's bad.

And then he started asking quote, well, can I meet her? Oh no. And we'll call and we can tell her I'm a photographer and then I'll start taking pictures of you and she'll get comfortable and you know, maybe participate in it. Oh. And participate in the fucking?

You should be able to hit him with a shovel in the face at this point. Jesus Christ, this is so fucking, it's just, it's so, again, I am very curious about like, how much of that, like is that behavior already in him or is it because of this full suppression that he just kind of becomes like a pedophile? Like because it's all been off limits and now his brain is mushed out because

of it. I have no idea how this shit works. Maybe. I mean, maybe, maybe like since this one thing's off limits, everything that's off. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like, he's just got a lake of taboo now. Either way shovel shovel. Yeah, for sure. Um, so Deborah quote, you can do whatever turns you on, but don't ever mention my daughter again. Good. Fair. Another Deborah client was a cop named Gorman,

who happened to be Reverend Marvin Gorman's son. OK, both. So first episode, Gorman was a guy who was, he was a reverend, he was banging another reverend's wife while supposed to be counseling them. Savage. He's having sex, apparently a lot of affairs and someone got a tape of the wife's confession and then took Gorman down. Which is normal.

And Jimmy is the guy who got the tape and took him down. Just remember the next time you go to confession. Could be taken. Be careful. Could be taken. So this is revenge. Right. And it's crazy. What a crazy fucking coincidence that she has another client that's a cop.

So she tells him she's fucking Jimmy Swagger quote, and he got real interested, you know, and started asking me questions and stuff. And I couldn't understand why. Well, she, she doesn't, does she know he's Jimmy Swagger? No, she still has this Jimmy Swagger. Yeah. So she's like, why is it so interesting? Well, I think he's really into it.

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's like, what's the big deal? It's I think he's really into it. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. I mean, it's too slugger. I mean, I'd be like, what's the big deal? He's just like the largest preacher on TV. What, you're a fan? You want me to get an autograph? So then the cop starts calling her every day.

And Reverend Gorman, he tells Reverend Gorman, because that's his dad. Yeah. And what a conversation. So, dad, I was. OK. What did you want to talk to me about, boy? So I was having sex.

I'm having sex with this this escort. I'm having sex with escort at a hotel. Oh, well, look, we all have ways of fraying at times. And I know there's more to it. Look, we all have ways of fraying at times and I would hate to be the, as long as you're learning a new path. Look, I banged, knocked up, pilly women who were in relationships, but I never took my shirt off. So we've all got, we've all got lines, but I think the important thing is that

you now go forward and learn yourself a lesson or two, boy. Well, she's also banging Jimmy Swaggart. Sorry, you're cock-browing with the Swaggies? No, I wouldn't call it cock-browing. Okay. But I'm saying Jimmy Swaggart is having sex with Escort. And you are too. He's your enemy. Yeah, but don't worry about me.

Yeah. We're not in the... Is his shirt off? It's not a DP. Is he taking his shirt off or is he just kind of... It's not DP. ...trunking... I don't know the details about the shirt.

I didn't ask about shirt. Is he unzipping or is his... Yeah, they're having sex, so he has to... But is his belt unbuckled? Dad, I feel like you're missing the thing where the guy who took you down is having sex with the escort. I'll be able to have that conversation, which is exciting because I love a resurrection. But is his penis out through the hole in his boxers and the belt is unbuckled?

What are you doing? And is his shirt on or off? And if it's a button shirt, does he have an undershirt? Is it unbuttoned? And if it is, is the undershirt, does he hold it under his chin so that you see the tummy? Because if he's doing the thing where his shirt and his pants are off, whoa. But if he's just slipping it out through the zipper hole and the boxer hole and his shirts on, and it's gonna be tough. That's kind of like having a magical cloak.

She said all he wears is a bib. Well, we got a fucking comeback on our hands. Boy, oh boy, what an idiot. Why would he put himself in that position? I don't know. Oh, that's why the Lord gave us a zipper. Yeah. You could slip it out.

Hey, Dad, you're freaking me out. And then what I like to do was I would put a little bit of plastic wrap around the zipper teeth so as to not get chewed upon. Dad, you're freaking me out. And I'm also a freak. Oh, there's nothing freaky about what we're doing, son. Okay. We just don't want our zippers biting the shaft.

Come here. No. Kiss daddy. No. Kiss daddy's head. Debra quote. Lick my ear. Oh, sorry.

Next one. I'm done with you. I can't take it anymore. Come on. You hungry? So Reverend Oh, sorry. Next one. I'm done with you. I can't take it anymore. Come on. You hungry? So Reverend Gorman hires a detective to follow and figure out. So one day while Jimmy and Deborah are doing their thing, Jimmy feels like something's

off and he says there's too much heat. It's getting too hot. What is the sex? No. The whole energy. Yeah, everything's. So several women had been busted that week, but Gorman's detectives have been surveying Swaggart and Debra for three weeks now.

And Jimmy goes out to his car after he says there's too much heat, he's leaving and it has a flat tire. And Debra notices a blue car keeps circling the hotel. Woo hoo. Woo. hoo, woo hoo hoo. We're gonna bust Jimmy's swagger tonight. I love how they just, how, how. What a good cop. Who would notice that?

Dude, the sirens on, oh shit. She assumed it was a cop, then the car pulled into the parking lot and Gorman got out. And Gorman talks to Jimmy for two hours until Jimmy admits it. Wow. It is believed the detective flattened the tire to give Gorman enough time to get to the motel and catch Jimmy in the act. And he wants he wants to take Jimmy down himself, like after what Jimmy did to him. Is this kind of a weird like, so you're a detective for the day.

Like what are you like? He's been deputized for the afternoon. Well, he know he it's got nothing to do with the law. But the detect isn't the detective going to be like, wouldn't it be better for a detective to just arrest him and then put him in a room and get like, it's just the minister. It's not the detective. It's the minister. Doesn't he talk to a detective though?

His son, Minister Gorman, who Swaggart took out. His son told him, so then Minister Gorman hired the private detectives. Oh, private detectives. I thought it was like a regular detective. No, no. Okay. This is all off the books. Oh, okay.

Okay. Yeah, he's trying to take them out. Okay. So Jimmy said he would publicly apologize to Gorman for lying about him having affairs. Remember, he said Gorman had over 100 affairs. Yeah. And help him get back into the assemblies of God.

He's gonna wish he got a regular cop. Yes. So Gorman waits. And he waits. And months are going by. Oh, I imagine to sit through all that, that all that swaggered like preaching, just like Christ, three hours sermon and not even a wink. So there are rumors now swirling that Swaggered has been caught leaving a hotel with a sex worker.

OK. And Gorman sent Jimmy a note saying, that's it. Time's up. OK. Hey. Enough. It's been six months since I busted you in that parking lot as a fake detective.

Jimmy says nothing to that. He doesn't respond to the time's up't respond to the times up. Jimmy's handling it right. He's probably stressed out. Then Gorman goes to the executive presbytery, I don't know what that is, the whatever, must be the board or whatever, of the Assemblies of God and showed them the photos. So he went to the top-notch, you know, the criminal. The criminal is definitely going the biblical route. On February 21st, 1988, Jimmy delivered what became known as his as his I have sinned speech.

He didn't say what he had done. No details at all, just that he had sinned. And this is on live TV on stage. Pack Church, he cries, his wife nods. By the way, not at all what Gorman's like. Yeah, okay, dude, you said I fucked 100 women. I want to address myself as best as I know how. Address myself. To those that I have wronged, that I have sinned against.

Yeah, you're good. First of all, my wife, Frances. God never gave a man a better helpmate and companion. Oh, Christy. So they're just showing her. I don't know why the sound went out. She is she not. Fuck me. As far as this gospel has been taken through the ether waves,

ether waves to the great cities of the world and cover this globe, it would never have been done. Were it not for her strength. Okay, so this goes on for a while, so I'm gonna speed it up. I'm gonna go forward like three minutes. We're gonna go forward like three minutes. Boy, him, by the way, real quick, him having an orgasm based on his cadence here. Not great.

I mean that had to be a bummer. Oh ho, I'm a gonna fin. Oh, it's a coming. Oh boy, oh boy, it's a coming. I'm about to pop a bigger boy. Oh, it's a, oh I see it. It's a, oh, whoa, I've seen it pop a big boy. Oh, I see it. Oh, I've seen it. Everything. Oh, I'm coming.

Wow. Oh, I made a sin. I wish I'd never seen that. I was having eye contact during it was upsetting. OK, so now now he's fully like I've jumped about three minutes ahead and now he's lip quiver crime. He's got lip quiver crying. The one whom I serve, and I love, and I worship. Wow. No tears.

I bow at His feet, who has saved me, and washed me, and cleansed me. I have sinned against you, my Lord. and washed me and cleansed me. I have sinned against you, my Lord. And I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God's forgetfulness. Never to be remembered against me anymore. That's fake. That's got to be someone out there.

Who's out? No, maybe not. Wow. I don't know who. I don't know. Go home. Wow. I don't know who I don't know. I have someone out of that, or if that was actually someone yelling that, but. Jamie, can you bring up the.

So that OK, that makes me think like this is what I don't get is is like. I don't you don't this is what I don't get is like, I don't, you don't, this is the deal. If you really are like a beacon for the religious to teach the and preach the Bible, you do not, you just don't get to fuck up like this. That's just like part of the deal. the Bible, you do not, you just don't get to fuck up like this. That's just like part of the deal. You are being held to a standard that is just, sorry, you're the one who's setting the fucking tone for the room.

So if you're saying you can't do anything, you're not allowed to do this, you can't do this, whatever, then guess what? You don't get to fucking apologize. You do the thing that is, uh, is religiously right. And you fucking return all the money, you fuck off and you start going to another place to try to get yourself. You don't just get to sit there and just vaguely be like, I will wash it into the river of God's forgetfulness.

I mean, you, the thing about being this type of Christian is you. It's almost like they want you to fuck up and then repent. And you know what I mean? Like, it's almost like the flock is like, I don't know. They love it when you come clean with your sins and. I don't know. I don't. I really don't know, because I think that like his popularity... Well, let me just say they gave him a standing ovation.

Ugh, yeah. Well, I think they are... It's a cult. I mean, those people who are in that church are in a fucking cult, no doubt. But I'm sure there are others who are like, bro, go fuck yourself. No. you know, like you don't get to do that. That's like fucking bullshit. Yeah. Well, he gets a standing O and then his wife hugs him. The Presbyterian of the Assemblies of God suspended him for three months. Well, there you go. Take that. He's on IR. Then the National Presbyterian suspended him for a year that he's on IR, then the national presbytery suspended him for a year and ordered two years of counseling from preachers.

So now he's got to fuck a preacher. But two months later, he refused the longer suspension. Quote, we believe that to stay out of the public for a year would totally destroy the television ministry and greatly adversely impact the college. Sorry, bro. That's, you know, you fucked up. That's why you shouldn't fucking do. That's why you cannot say that you walk on fucking water. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so he talked to the press, his wife and his son Donnie're all standing there with him.

Donnie's 34 now. So the Presbyterian has a phone meeting and votes to defrock him for moral failures. So their response to that is like, yeah, fuck you. Like, you know, you're fucking- We gave you like an easy out, dude. Yeah, you're banging a fucking sex worker, bro. Deborah Murphy goes public. One reason was because she was asked about her daughter.'re banging a fucking sex worker bro. Deborah Murphy goes public.

One reason was because she was asked about her daughter. So she was fucking pissed about that. Quote, he's out there preaching about all this pornography and stuff. And turns out he's wanting to do it with a nine year old girl. If I hadn't come out with it, he'd still be in the ministries.

She's right. Penthouse paid her between 75, $100,000 for an exclusive and to recreate the poses Jimmy requested while she was naked in photos. So this is, this is where you're talking about the, uh, our culture being, uh, dog shit. We really want to get to the bottom of what happened there. Also, you said Reverse Cowgirl. Do you mind doing a couple of those for us? Right.

Because it is Penthouse Magazine. They have to find that in. Yeah. Everyone wants to see her naked, right? That's going to be a thing. But okay, giving her $100,000 to do an interview, okay. Yeah. But yeah, now it's just grossly expletive.

Yeah. And I mean, that would nowadays like that's a success story now. I mean, that's just what it is. It's like, like you kick the can further down the street and look at our culture now and it's like, well, what do you want to do? Do door dash or only fans? Yeah, I mean, yeah. So it's all just gross.

She said, quote, God, what a freak, three eights, kinky, three eights. Here he is, maybe that was, I don't know, maybe that was a mistake. Is that a recipe to make a Jimmy at home? I don't understand. Here he is up there preaching for all this money, and when I see him, he's kinky and cheap too.

He only paid $20. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. He's also got so much money. That's the thing is like, he's got so much money that he could be hooked up with whatever the top agencies, whatever they are.

I'm sure there was back then a way, even if you're a minister, to figure it out and get the highest, most discreet. Or a brothel. Or to her, you go, I'm gonna give you fucking $2,000 a session, I'm paying for your silence forever. Yes. Okay, he paid only $20 and had originally offered just 10.

Oh my God, he negotiated. He looked like James Corden. He negotiated. Jesus Christ. What does that mean, James Corden? Just like shitty tipping fucking rich dude who doesn't want to pay writers and doesn't want to fucking tip. Yeah, he's a piece of shit.

The going rate for oral sex was between $ and 40 dollars, which Jimmy refused to pay so if oral sex 30 40 then I would assume that like Sex sex is like double that or whatever. This is look. I'm not sure like say the other stuff makes any sense But what a crazy thing for a guy with that much money to do Yeah To be like I'm gonna nickel and dime really seriously I'm going to turn you against me a little bit. When you're totally vulnerable to that person. When you're totally vulnerable and you're like,

your world is built around things like this, not happening. Yeah. And you're like, can we do five? How about I just whack off in the front seat for nickel? So Jimmy goes back on the pulpit when his three months suspension is up. That's just the local one, not the national one. Right. He's still defrocked there. He's now an independent, not denominational Pentecostal minister. Wait, what is he? He's in it. He went into.

I believe in the label. I assume there's some sort of of certification or certification or like. Yeah. And we at the dollop are brought to you by him. Look, Dave, you know. All right. S settle down, David. As you know, Dave, it can be, you know, if you have trouble getting it up,

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A ton of students left his Bible college, both because of the scandal and because now there's accreditation issues. So it's not a fucking college. Like it was. Three months later, the story explodes when it hits Penthouse. Right.

So up until then it's just small and within the religious world. And now it'shouse. Right. So up until then, it's just small within the religious world. And now it's everybody. Right. Deborah goes on Donahue, Larry King, and Geraldo and does a 10 city PR tour. Fucking A, dude. I hope she made a lot of fucking money.

I hope she, I really hope she did. She probably made some pretty good money to go on tour. Right? I bet those talk shows didn't pay much. Actually, they probably did. They probably paid pretty well considering they were all fighting for that. Are you looking up like her net worth or whatever? Yeah, well, I just want to...

Okay, so this is what she looks like if you want to... Oh, wow. She's at penthouse there. Oh, yeah. She is. Well, I mean, look, I hope I hope she got out of it. What? Yeah. I mean, again, we have no real. I guess this is what I want to pre up. This is the gross one. So that's like a pose of her sitting kneeling in front of a chair. That's the penthouse. So it's so gross. It's so fucking gross.

So. of a chair. That's the penthouse. It's so gross. It's so fucking gross. Um, so, um, density tour, when asked if his tears are real, she said, quote, well, maybe, but to me, no, there were no, he does the, he does the fake cry thing, which is like from now on, if people who legislate against the things they do have to apologize, there needs to literally be like a lie detector, a tear detector. Someone who walks over there, checks them for reality,

swabs them, right? And if there's not tears, then you go, I don't know what to tell you, all I can say is that this, it's like the same shit where they're just like now, they'll be like, what do you think of this? I haven't actually read that. You're like, well, okay. Then what?

What? Tell me what your fucking job is. You read the shit and have a fucking opinion the next day. Asshole. What's going on? I haven't had a chance. I've been so busy making TikToks. Gareth got really upset.

Everybody heard that. I fucking knew. Um, okay. So. Well, uh, are the tears real? Well, maybe. But to me, I don't really think so because I watch him on TV. He's a totally different person when he came to see me. And that's the real person. I think he was. Yeah. You can tell in that video I played when he's crying.

That did a full on actor. It's a hundred percent acting. It's all acting. Yeah. So she went home to Indiana. It's amazing that the people on that level are the most, the largest sinners. The way that he's coming after Motley Crue, it's like, hey, they say what they're fucking doing. Like not to be like, oh yeah, they're whatever,

fucking heroes, but they say what they're doing. You motherfucker take money from people who you're convincing you have this connection to and you are so full of shit that you have to get up in front of them and lie. At least between the two of them, she provides a service that people need and enjoy. He just takes people's money and lies to them.

So she goes home to Indiana, moves back in with her parents, gets a GED, and then becomes an interior decorator. Oh, nice. Good for fucking her. Now, Jimmy's being heavily parodied, mocked, targeted rock stars Jimmy had gone after and sermons were very, very happy. I remember this part. Ozzy, doesn't Ozzy do a video? He writes a song about him.

Ozzy writes a song called Miracle Man and it just rips him a new one. The video is in a church. The church is filled with pigs and it starts with Ozzy wearing a crying Jimmy Swaggart mask, which he takes off and laughs. Again, sweet fucking victory. I mean, this is what you fucking did asshole. Are you perfect?

Oh, okay. Well, then guess what? Enjoy the fucking slide. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. So Jimmy trudges on with his televangelist business because Well, then guess what? Enjoy the fucking slide. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. So Jimmy trudges on with his televangelist business because there are people that like like we've seen

in so many different aspects of the past, like few years, there's nothing you can do to shed your a lot of your audience. Yeah, there's all these people are still going to fucking stay there. You can make some 30% will retain. You can make some pivot like Russell Brand or Jimmy Dora did and and Pick up new people, but the people just stick with you. Yep. You can say you well The whole cancelled thing really, you know, that's just that just kind of in comedy just made it so it's like oh, yeah You'll be alright. Yeah, you'll you'll retain you'll retain the people who don't care about the actual facts and the details and they'll just buy your bullshit and you'll sell out fucking theaters, even though most of your material is just about how you look like a bird or

whatever. It was cause vector. Kind of the bellwether. He's, he's just the most repugnant and off-putting. He was always the most Republican off-putting comedian to me. And then all this stuff came out and I just watch him. And I'm just like, there's nothing likable about this human being. I mean, like, it's funny because the Louis CK stuff,

like people really do kind of at times, It's funny because the Louis CK stuff, people really do kind of at times, I've definitely heard dudes be like, it's not that bad. I know two of the people who were involved in that, and when I heard their version of it, they were fucking hor, it was a horrible experience for them to go through. So you can't be't be like, it's kind of, he's just like jacking off in a doorway. However, if you were to go talent-wise, who leaves a larger hole?

Yes. That guy was doing some fucking good shit. Yes. And you know, there's, like I'm saying, what he does is what he did was abhorrent and it's really it's kind of he he had like this whatever this process where he went and he's been dinged by it as he fucking should be but you were definitely like oh man I really like that guy. I don't get that with the fucking first of all the acts are so much worse. Yes. And then it's never like you're like we can't replace this voice in comedy.

Right, easily you can replace that voice in comedy. Go to the comedy store and fucking throw a stone and hit someone who can do it just as good. Well, the thing about people say that Louis CK didn't actually do anything, if you block the doorway and are masturbating and are orgasming because of the concerned, scared look in someone's eyes, you're a fucking monster.

Yeah, that is some fucking dark shit. Super dark shit. So don't tell me that that is nothing. Don't tell me that's just nothing. No, that's you getting off on fear. You're fucked up. Yeah, that's fucking, that's a fucking niche. Yeah.

So he goes on with his televangelist business as we're talking about, though it's falling apart. It's not what it was, obviously. Before the scandal, he had an audience of two million a week. In November 1990, it's down to 400,000, but it's still massive. It's still 20%. It's still 400 fucking. It's huge.

It's only small because's still 20%. It's still 400 fucking. Massive. It's huge. It's only small because he had two million. In 1989, he sold three radio stations for 10.7 million. I don't think I can pay $8 for a hand job. Could you do three or 50? Over the next couple years, nine TV stations and a local Louisiana contractor filed lawsuits to collect over 200,000 from Jimmy Swigert Ministries.

He's just so he is. He is like P.T.L. He is he is spending too much. And all of a sudden, his his income is wiped out. So he does have economic problems, obviously, as he should. Yeah. He leased buildings to the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality for one point five million a year. So it's a good story.

So that's that's that's like his his bro's in government who he's paid off are now getting his back. Yeah, that's what that is. He's also started selling land that he owned. You can't take him down. He's already got too much money. You can't. Yeah. So in July, 1991, Marvin Gorman sued Jimmy for 90 million for defamation. OK. Gorman admitted having one affair, but said Jimmy made up lies

about all the other ones to ruin him. I just can't imagine this even mattering to anyone at this point. He's just gotta be trying to get money, right? Because it can't. Yeah, but it's like, it's years later. He played it so horribly. Yeah.

Yeah. Like film him and be like, all right, you promise? Yeah. Instead he was like, all right, cool, let me help he was like, all right cool Let me help you with that tire The trial didn't go well for anyone Gorman won the case and got 10 million They would eventually settle out of court for 1.85 million Oh my god, but all the stuff that came out in the trial just fucked damaged But I guess Gorman just needed money at that point, right? So he got 1.8 million. That's pretty fucking good.

Yeah, I guess. A month later, Jimmy is in Indio, California, and he's touring. It's a great place to tour. It's perfect. I know every time I've been there, I'm like, I believe in God. Just picture piss, but it dried.

Yeah, picture if you could chip piss off the floor. And put meth in it. Someone right now is listening to you like, what the fuck? Look, go outside, go outside, go better. The day after his 39th wedding anniversary, after spending in there, after spending a dinner with friends and Francis. It's nice. Beautiful. She's doing great. A cop pulled him over. Oh, shit. He had borrowed a 1989 Jaguar from a friend and he was driving on the wrong side of the road in an. I thought I was in Germany.

The car is unregistered. And he's not wearing a seatbelt, which is now illegal. They used to put they would pull you over all the time when they first passed the law. In the car was Rosemary Garcia and Garcia said Jimmy picked her up on the side of the road for a date, which is how you date the time you can date before the Internet. You met like you probably you probably you're not like, hey, if we get pulled over, here's how we'll play.

You're just driving. Yeah, she hadn't said that. That's fucking Jesus Christ. Don't you have like talking points? I know. You say you're my niece. He, uh, he, I met him on the side of the road and, uh, he, uh, I got in his car for money to suck his dick. We're dating. She, uh, she loves to play this game with police officers. Quote, for sex.

I mean, that's why you- All right, we're, okey dokey. Why don't we, officer, how are you? Are you, uh, how are my boys in blue? I'm- Alright, wait. Okie dokie. Why don't we officer- How are you? Are you got- How are my boys in blue? I'm here to blow him. Okie dokie. Alright. Jane gotta go home but you can't stay in here. What do we wanna do? Maybe some fast food? What do you want? The army's officer?

I can't believe what she's saying. I thought I knew her. She's my niece. She's playing a game. Holy fuck. No, no, no. She's playing a game on me. May I roll up my window one second and talk to her? No. Could you have done fucking worse just now? What the fuck was that? The window is still down. I know how to go, oh, I need to go. I'll tell you, officer, I just sometimes I need to be under the waterfall of the Lord's fingers.

I swear I just have not figured out what the Lord hath put me through so well my cock is on. Oh, the Lord hath. So is the cops. Brrrow, brrrow, brrrow, brrrow, brrrow. Quote, for sex, I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a prostitute.

He asked for sex. He was shaking. Oh, ha ha ha! Oh, she is a comedian. As he drove, he saw a cop behind him flipped out, swerved the car across the road as he tried to hide porno magazines. Oh my God!

It's just so- What is he doing? He can just keep driving. Yeah! Right, right, right, right. Look, just take the money and run. Like- What are you doing?

It's also a fame addiction. He's got both. He's he's power and money. It is the, the corruptors. And that's what part, like, cause he could very easily have just been like, I'm leaving the church because of this. And I'm so sorry. And he's got all the money.

He can fucking hire sex work. He's got enough money to live on an island. You're good to go, but he has to stay at top and fucking keep saying that he's redeemed and all this shit and steady second. I mean that is what like as an eight year old I imagined driving would be like I was like I have my porn. I'll be jacking off. There'll be a lady there but also like like the idea that like you see a cop car behind you and Instead of continuing to just drive down the road calmly so they don't arrest you, you start trying to hide.

When are you gonna hide the porn magazines? To decide to just, like, here's the cop. That's strange. Like, here's the cop if you don't do that. It's a pretty boring day so far. Here's the cop. That's crazy. Let's go get him.

That's why he was stopped. Garcia said, quote, he's the same guy who cries on TV for all these people to feel sorry for him, to give him all their money for what? So he can come give it to us. That's pretty good. She has an understanding of the economy. It's capitalism. She should be the new fed. economy that many don't. It's capitalism, she understands how, she should be the new Fed.

So that night he drives home over 30 hours straight. Okay, right, so, because he, what, he's post-bail or he's just whatever? Yeah, because it's not, they don't hold you for that. When he got to his estate, he passed out in the driveway behind the wheel. A friend quote, he had spilled some strawberry drink on his chest and we thought it was blood. He's such a fucking drama queen.

Can you imagine? Oh, he got to his driveway and then passed out. Fuck you, dude. You like just go with it. He's such a fucking drama queen. I also do like the idea of him on that 30 hour. I mean, we've driven 30 hours. It's like it's depressing. He's taking that 30 hour drive alone and he's somewhere like filling up and he's like, strawberry juice.

One in a hand then. Is that good? Do you think he was being enough of a little drama bitch that he spilled it on himself on purpose? Maybe. Yeah, I could totally see him doing that. He's at this point, you know, again, I mean, now he has to reapply for redemption, which is going to be harder. Yeah, the double the double is difficult.

So he's doing re redemption and that is more difficult. So he's now trying to be as sympathetic a figure as possible. Yeah, you know, three days later, Donnie, his son announced Jimmy would be stepping down for an indefinite period to get medical and spiritual help. Medical. He also picked up something. I've got a red C coming out of my donger. But the next day, Jimmy was back at the pulpit where he told his congregation quote, the Lord told me it's flat out none of your business. By the way, just didn't go fuck yourself. By the way, think about the Jerry Lee Lewis route.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a little bit of a shorter drive. Yeah, really. And that the Lord had told him to return to the pulpit. Quote, he said, you tell them that Thursday morning you'll be making television programs. And he said he didn't have to apologize. Wow, I mean, I was shocked.

I wonder if he was drinking at this point. I don't know. This seems pretty, pretty drinky-ish. Yeah. Yeah, it would be too. Luckily, sex pest Clarence Thomas had hearings going on and that overshadowed all this shit. The next day, Donnie said Jimmy would be stepping down for a period of time for quote, a time of healing and counseling.

So now Donnie's come out twice and they're like, okay, no, he's pulling him back. I think of the Lord said Donnie was a wrong. Demons had made him pick up a sex worker, which is, yeah, I mean, demons in my balls. You know what I mean? What demon? You could say that your libido is driven by demons. Sure. Sure.

But better to say you have this than you don't and that nobody else should. Within a two week, within two weeks, the ministries was selling property and TV equipment. Employees were laid off in droves. Many of the people who had stuck with him through the first incident were now walking away. Yeah, you can't reread it. You can't, you can't double it, no. But he kept trudging along, doing his TV and evangelism.

In January 2000, 10 year old Swigert Ministries employee, John Clauser was charged with money laundering, bank fraud and theft for stealing 750,000 from the ministries. He was spending the money on out of state girlfriends, including a Washington Redskins cheerleader. His salary was 30,000 a year. Oh my God, I don't know what is crazier.

Good for him. I have no problem with someone ripping off the fucking ministry like this. Brother, go wild with it. And you got to date a fucking cheerleader. Who by the way, get paid fucking shit. Yeah, they get paid terribly. So may as well take a little bit, take a little that back. He got 15 years. Jesus Christ. And Swagger.

Baker, Baker got five. Baker got 45, but did five. Right, right, right. Yeah, right. In 2002, Jimmy and his cousins, Jerry Lee and Mickey Aguie were inducted into the Delta Music Museum Hall of Fame. Wait, who was? Jimmy? No, Jerry. Okay. Yeah, sorry. Jimmy. Jimmy who? Swagger. Was inducted? He did gospel records, remember? I know, but what the fuck? Well, he does great music. Then now? Separate the music from the art. music from the artist and their other cousin who was also like a country. Yeah, he's a country music singer. So they're they're all inducted into the Delta Music Hall of Fame. Gilley become a well-known country music singer in 2004.

Jimmy apologized after he said about gaming, quote, If one looks at me like that, I'm going to kill him until God, he died. Oh, my God. What a fucking dick. First of all, they're not going to look at you like that, I'm going to kill him until God, he died. Oh my God. What a fucking dick. First of all, they're not going to look at you like that. You're good. Secondly, look at you. Look at you.

That is that is one of their favorite fucking things to all. If one of them tries to fuck me. Yeah. Look out. Not happening. Yeah. You're good, bro. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine. Hang in there. Yeah. It's always the unfuckable. If I fucking watch it. He got a big round of applause in his church

for saying that and later would apologize and say it was a joke. After Hurricane Katrina, Swaggart offered land for a hospital to be built. Oh, okay. Then real estate values soared and he reneged on the deal. Yeah, yeah. The ministries were sued and settled by offering

two buildings for lease to federal relief agencies. They got sued into having to give. Well, I think that they were, the sale was probably going through, like it wasn't just. In 2010, he created the Sun Life Broadcasting Network. His wife has a show on SBN. Oh my God, her here?

Oh, fuck me. We're gonna go to our next caller, who is Diane in Texas. And Diane, welcome to Sun Life Broadcasting. You have a quick question or comment? Yes, good morning. Good morning. I actually called yesterday. My phone hung up warming. I was calling because and I know it's not exactly what y'all been talking about today. Explain to me about a cult because

Someone has brought it to my attention actually several people because they know I I listen and watch y'all That y'all are in a cult. And they showed me a thing on their Facebook phone and it's supposed to be a Christian and his name is Mark Swarsh. It's S-W-A-R-B-R-I-C-K. You had a long article about your ministry. I've never heard of the person, Diane,

so I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, well, like I said, I've never heard, because I don't do Facebook and all that kind of stuff, but they were saying there's also lots of articles. But let's just hear, let's just define what a cult is. Let me say this. First of all, the internet is gonna be filled with truth, have truth, and total lies.

And everything. There's gonna be no problem finding people that would oppose us. But what we ask is, is that you judge us according to God's word, not according to man's opinion of us. There'd be more people, there'd be more people getting a closer walk with God

if they would get out of Facebook and put their face in the book, if you understand what I'm saying. But if we look at what a cult is, a cult is, if you're looking at a legal definition by the courts, a cult is any organization that uses illegal and immoral powers to control another person.

Okay. Now, if we look at the Christian... Checkmate. That's it. So they're cult. Boy, what a great call to get. First of all, calling it a Facebook phone is horrible. It's like how an alien would describe a phone with Facebook on it. But again, judge me by God's words.

It's like, we did. We have. Yeah. Okay. You're guilty there too. It's not great for you. So Jimmy had a daily program on SBN. His grandson Gabriel leads the youth ministry. His Bible college recently became accredited through the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools. They get accreditation for Christian schools and are recognized by the Department of Education.

Oh my God, I guess we do need to break it apart. In 2020, when the pandemic hit, Jimmy Swaggart Ministries received somewhere between two and five million. Of course. Jimmy Swaggart kept going, was on air as a televangelist. On July 15th, 2022, he released a gospel album with Jerry Lee called Jimmy Lee and Jerry Lee,

The Boys from Faraday. We are into kids. Ha ha ha ha. The ministry sells a gold dove and cross lapel pin or cross pendant for 200 on a crossfire deluxe expositors Bible for 500 for 1000. You can get an MP3 player that plays Sunlife broadcasting network. What the fuck is that?

What the actual fuck? It must just be a bunch of digital files of previous shows just on an MP3 player that does nothing else. Yeah, right. Or you can also get a Bible signed by Jimmy for 2,500. You can get the complete set of Jimmy Swigert's Bible commentary signed by Jenny.

Sadly, Gareth, Jimmy had a massive heart attack and was hospitalized on June 15th, 2025. He continued having heart attacks while hospitalized until he died on July 1st. So we just lost Jimmy five days ago. Wow, fucking. So sad. Come closer, I've got to tell you something.

Son, son, son, my dying wish. Someone should take, someone should check me off. What? No. Check me off, please. Can you also please stop offering the nurses $10? Give the nurse $6.50 for a life. $650? No, $6.55. Okay. And she could take one of my get well balloons. And then you

have her do reverse poem thumb down to shaft base. Do you know what a balloon is? Yeah. One of the get wells get will soon balloons. Hurry, boy. I don't know if I'm long for this. I'm going to smell you with a pillow now. Oh, can I work off? What are you? Yeah, go ahead. Just I'm sorry. I don't know what I did. Why would I say that? Research for this is done by Ron Pecone. The other sources, J.D. Davis unconquered the story of cousins Jerry Lee Lewis, Jimmy Swigert

and Mickey Gilley. WorldHistory.com, SongFacts.com, LA Times,edu, tracks.com, UPI, Washington Post, Mozambiquehistory.net, AP News, people.com, all things, thriller.com, UPI, I say that, cnn.com, theologyinthecity.com, nola.com, TheologyInTheCity.com, NOLA.com, ABCNews.go.com, TheHill.com, and TampaBay.com, also The Herald Sun and Durham. Shout out Ron Placone. You know, I think the thing is that it's like, thing is that it's like we are so powerless in the world we live in that we want to believe that there is some way or someone who can help or fix or address or make sense and it's really just anytime anyone gets to the actual top,

they're just a fucking liar who betrays you and self-profits in many different ways. And then they're pretty much allowed to go off and either if they live in shame or whatever. I remember, I think I told you this, I had an argument with a friend of mine not too long ago who hates Trump. And-

I love Trump. And I said, and he said something like, I know you like hate George W. Bush and like think he should be like in prison. And I go, no, he should be put to death. And he was like, see, that's where, and I was like, see, that's where, and I was like, well, they should be.

I was like, you cannot say that you're allowed to kill Saddam Hussein and then basically do the same shit. And so what are we doing? At some point you have to hold some people in power to account, otherwise they get to be on the fucking, you know, I just, I feel so mad when these people just actually die of natural causes because you're just like, well, dude, you fucking fucked up so many lives. You're just a greedy pervert who fucking lies, takes advantage.

And then, you know, you kind of, your like world shrinks because of the shame you've brought to yourself, but you still have never had to pay for all the bad shit that you did. And that goes on any ideology, like even if it's religious or political, like we both just get taken, you get taken advantage of these fucking liars. And then that's it. And then it's just over. Any thoughts? No, I think you're right. But they work so hard. I mean, I think that's what you gotta think about. That is true. It's not-

A lot of people you're talking about work really hard to get where they are. Yeah. Well, we are a meritocracy. Yeah. worked really hard to get where they are. Well, we are a meritocracy. I mean, that's become very obvious with, yeah. I mean, we are so apexed right now with what Trump does. It's like, it really is amazing to watch it all just be like full veil down, holy fuck. Wow. Yeah. And we earned it. We did earn it. Yeah.

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