The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 730 - The O'Connor Layover - live

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine The O'Connor Layover for criminals in St Paul. Recorded live in St Paul.SOURCESTOUR DATESOFFICIAL MERCHSQUARESPACE - Use OFFER CODE: DOLLOP to save 10%Nutrafol - Use code: DollopRocketmoney See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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1841. Year of our Lord, J-Town. No. snowmobiles Jaytown's been getting into snowmobiles and he's fucking digging it cool whatever not just inaccurate

he wears a cape when he does it What year do you think he lived All years buddy he never stopped living Not in here Not in here So no he's James Bond Buddy he lives in your heart And he lives in my heart

Just get out of my face Pigs Eye Minnesota was a town. Fuck yeah. Was a town named after its first settler, Pierre Pigs Eye, Perrant. That's right. He was called Pig's Eye because he had one weird eye. He was?

Yeah. Is he a French? We. But when Father Lucien Gator... Lucien Gator, we got a pig and a gator? When Father Lucian Gator built the first church, he named it for St. Paul and said the city had to be called

St. Paul. Pigsye was St. Paul? Pigsai became St. Paul. Why did you ditch it? You had a fucking winner. Nobody fucks with Pigs Eye, Minnesota. Nobody. Nobody. Oh, my God.

Hey, teachers, look, I'm not asking you to put a bunch of stuff in the docket of problem, but maybe we go back to Pigs Eye. Yeah, I went to Pigs Eye Elementary. Oh, how great would that be? It's the best name of a city ever. You're leaving it on the table.

Yeah, St. Paul grew at the railroad and it became a main upper Midwest hub of distribution and commerce. And so the population keeps doubling and money's flown in and businesses are taken off and immigration. We're in a montage right now, right? Yeah, montage. building, yeah, things are building up. Jobs. Jobs. But as any city grows, so does crime.

Quote, masses daily sifted into the city. Low river dives and dance halls and gawgeries, flourishing there, and no respectable man, much less a woman, dared enter the neighborhood after dark. The game of sharpers lying in wait for the approach of a tenderfoot, the relay of frail and tawdry women, ready to murder the souls of men. And yet, and yet another vendor of distilled poison

destined to kill its victims, old men, young men, fair young girls, and hideous hags. Even the ugly. Wait. Even the ugly women are not safe. Who's killing everybody there? The criminals. Okay.

I wasn't sure if they were making it seem like there was like a, Like a bunch of female murderers in the town. No, no, the females, it sounds like they're getting murdered. But also murdering. But also murdering. There's just a lot of killers about. Yeah, okay. So, yeah.

San Paul's a killer city. Please, pigs eye. Have some respect. St. Paul at the time was the northern terminus of the Mississippi River. Not anymore. So anyone or goods going north had to stop in the Twin Cities. the St. Paul Pioneer quote, soon after the opening of navigation,

each year, the black legs, pimps, thieves, and bruisers seem to swarm up the river and for a short time... There's so many names for criminals. Well, they're different... Are there different types of criminals? A pimp is not a thief. A thief is a different type of... I'd argue a pimp is a thief. Wow.

A bruiser is not a thief or a pimp. He's a bruiser. Very easy... Pimp? Nope. Nope. Yeah. Nope. Yes. And then a black leg is, you know, that guy's just got his legs painted black. So he's, that's... How are you?

How's everybody doing tonight? Holy shit, this guy's a black leg. All right, what? Don't run away. Come on. Let me paint your legs. You start with your nails and you just don't want to stop. In 1880s, St. Paul Police counted seven brothels and 242 saloons.

I'll bet they did. That's a lot of fucking saloons. Great. I wouldn't even guess there were that many houses. I mean, you don't need one. I don't know how to guess things, though. Yeah, that's true. It's always been a problem for you.

Minneapolis had 5,000 more people, but half as many brothels and 70 fewer saloons. Weak. You are some weak-ass shit. Get your fucking brothel game up. Would you fuck already? Well, you get drunk and fuck already. Good Lord.

What are you getting drunk and going home? Go pay to throw it in something, you fools. That just means that everyone from Minneapolis is going across the river to bang. That's all that means. Or they're just drunk masturbating. I get it. Yep.

Drunk masturbating. It really fades as you get older. As you get older, you're like, well, that was a bad idea. Well, to be continued. I'll see you tomorrow, almost hearty. penis. Apparently, I need a second party here.

I learned that. Should have washed my hands after the Cheetos. Boy, that's weird. It looks like Trump's dick. I jerked up with Gitos and Trump came out of me. Hello, I'm a genie. You three wishes.

Wish for all the money in the world. Okay, done. Nothing's changed. Everything changed. Your metrics are off. I'm still stuck. on a Cheeto dick, is it? I feel like that would have been a way to trick somebody a long

time ago. Walk me through this. Boy, you just you come home, drunk, and you just put Cheeto flavoring on your dick, and you're like, and then someone comes in, they're like, I guess

maybe it's time to define what a trick is. It's the old, it's the old Cheeto trick. It's because some, other people come in drunk and they're like what? What are they gonna do? They're looking for a snack.

It's like talking to an 8 year old about what he thinks his 20s will be like. This guy is such a fucking prankster. I can't believe I sucked his dick. Because it looked like a Cheeto. It looked like a Cheeto. And then I'll have an apartment. Like the reason I bring that up is because when I was

in college, we were all out partying and one of our buddies was like, I'm drunk, I'm going home. And then he lived with two other friends, and they came home, and he was just, he's on the couch in the living room. His pants around his ankle just passed out with his hand.

Like, he just passed out mid-jerk. I have a buddy who, in Chicago, was on, it was like, this was like 30 years ago, was on a cordless phone, called the 900 number. It was, this is horrendous. smoking a cigarette while he was like outside like jerking off to a 900 number hammered

and then he passed out in the snow and his mom found him she was like oh oh i did not raise this one well wake up or down oh god the 900 number sounds like my mom yeah okay did i die one eight hundred moms it's not enough numbers 100 moms moms moms moms moms moms There were 28 cops. Wow. What a different time. They're kind of half looking like Canadian Mounties. Yeah, they look like park rangers. Yeah.

And of course, they targeted black people and immigrants. Hey. If you can imagine. If you can imagine a time. The Irish were under 10% of the population, but made up 35% of all arrests for drunkenness and fighting. they were mostly arrested for drunkenness in fighting, and citizens had varying opinions

when it came to vice. Like they were split on prostitution. Some wanted prohibition, but many wanted legalization and regulation, and the cops split the difference. Every month, each sex worker was arrested, and their madams fine $25 plus $10 for every woman who worked for them. So it's like a brothel tax.

Right. And the fines made up half of all money. collected in police court. Jesus Christ, they really needed that. Yeah. They left gamblers alone. It was impossible to stop, so why not tax it? Gamblers were usually wealthy and connected to the mayor and city council, and new

mayors would fire the police force than hire a new one that was loyal to them. Cool. Good stuff. Weird. Can you imagine a guy doing that? Demanding loyalty from your... enforcement. After the election of a mayor

with Scandinavian connections, a paper joke that 500 men named Olaf claimed they were promised police jobs. Oh, that's just... An hour after inauguration, Mayor Robert Smith fired all the cops and appointed... They didn't fuck around. No.

And out, like, the first thing they did was like, you're out. You're out. And appointed John Jay the big fellow O'Connor as chief. O'Connor's dad was an Irish immigrant and city councilman for years. And John became a cop at 26. He was six three, which was huge for the time. Wow. And smart and said to be quote, which was big for the time. And smart and said to be quote,

to St. Paul, what Scotland Yard is to London. Oh, fuck. He was a cop. He's Sherlock. He's Sherlock. I can see everything. I'm just making. happy faces. No, you're not. I am. Sarcastic shrug. Say it again. No. Say it again.

You see Sherlock. It's hurtful. That was a happy face. Yeah. He was a cop 19 years before becoming the police chief. His brother Dick became commissioner.

Dick was nicknamed the Cardinal because he was, quote, more influential, charismatic, and powerful than the Archbishop. Pretty good. is a different era, obviously. Well, they really worked on nicknames back then. They were like, all right, come on, guys.

Come, bring it in. We got to come up with something for Dick. The Cardinal. Let's get out of here. Why? Yeah. Well, that's what we're thinking about it. We got a winner.

Is that after the bird? Yeah, let some smoke out of that chimney. We got a nickname. Let's not, what do you do? Woo! I don't think you know what's a... We're fucking back, baby! Back from where?

USA! Okay. All right. Here we go. It's a good chance. Uh Within a day of the mayor smith's election The brothers cleaned house

And gave John absolute power John's greatest pride Was his new home squad The handsome squad Let's see those faces Handsom squad You can't see their faces No

I don't think that he literally hired them On being attractive All right turn around Pick up your pistol you got a beautiful there you wow yousy wowsy do you have any experience

in law enforcement no but I can put chito dust on my cock your honor are you a judge welcome aboard sergeant thank you you're the best we have

oh I know it so John there is no city in the U.S. that has a squad of patrolmen larger, better looking, better dressed, and better behaved. Now read it as Trump. There is, I can't do it. Okay.

Do you want to read it as Trump? Sure. It's the very top there. Very top. There is no city on the U.S. that has a squad of patrolmen larger, better looking, better dressed, and better behaved.

And nobody will figure out our handshake. Now, as we said, in 1900, St. Paul was rife with crime. Thieves, burglaries, arson, murders, and other crimes rose dramatically. So to bring down crime, John reframed what a crime was. That's how you do it. Liquor laws, gambling, prostitution, and other vice got a blind eye. There are even credible allegations that John, wife Annie ran a prostitution ring out of the old bucket oh blood saloon.

What a, I would really rather fuck in another area than the bucket of blood. I get so turned on by a big old bucket of blood. Like a hot, hot, just warm bucket of blood. Doesn't have to be hot, but like, not room temperature. I want to just a little bit above. Gonna go down to the bucket of blood and see what happens. The crazy thing is I tried to see if I could find a picture of the bucket of blood

but they're across the concert there are like 50 bucket of blood salutes. Well, it's not even, it's like, I don't hate, it's just if I was like, yeah, now I'm turned on. I'm going to go to the bucket of blood and fuck. Yeah. Don't try it until you knock it. You're such a prude. Is that your pitch for dyslexia?

I think so. I think so. but John did enforce bans on dancing cheek to cheek and kissing in public. Fucking for money legal, but he's like, if I see two cheeks touch it. Sweet mother of God, would I beat the shit out of that couple? That is fucking disgusting. So, look in the other way, led to St. Paul having a much smaller crime rate than East Coast cities, which made people come out here

because they're like oh look, I can save it in St. Paul, yeah. Keep your cheeks away from each other. Excuse me? I'll crack your fucking skull. Keep those cheeks far away. By the way, they're Irish.

Keep your cheeks far away from each other. Don't let your cheeks touch each other. Boy, the way, if you fancy a shag for money, come to the book and upload. Oh, you'll love it. It's unbelievable. You know why they call it to a bucket of blood, don't you? No.

Well, because there's fluids that are horrible everywhere. At the bucket of blood, it'll be a flood of fluid. The bucket of blood. That doesn't make me... My name's Chappie. I'll be your going to this town.

I'm a bit of a problem, but I'm also quite full of knowledge. Give me your money. No. Your wife's mine. What? Now your wife's mine. Ha ha!

What the fuck was that? Come on, let's go. Let's go to a different. I don't know. Okay. You're my best friend. I just... We should start a business to get her, you and I?

Shoes shining. That'll be perfect. There's folks here who've got legs painted black. Imagine if we'd join them. That'd be a business. At the bucket of blood. You'll have a time. At the bucket of blood.

Your wife and I are on the rocks. What? Let me sleep in your jars. My jars? Drars. Droars. Droars? For your fucking chest.

My pants or my... Your drawers. That drawer is where you put your drawers. My dresser at home. That's the one. Why would you sleep there? Well, I'm compact and I need a place to live. You're six foot three.

And you're my best friend. I'm not. Well, we'll figure it out. Maybe you go in the drawers. I go in the bed. As a matter of fact, I've got a bit of a thing for your wife. All right. What?

And the bug... God. You're an awful person. Well... get out. That's amazing. I'm like you changed when I said you were Irish. Something that has happened. John went further creating the, further than, you know,

pretending like crime's not there. John went further creating what became the O'Connor Layover Agreement. So John's force would allow any criminals to come and stay in St. Paul as long as they promised not to do crime in St. Paul. So it was sort of like a criminal ghoul. I mean, it's fucked for Minneapolis, but... Yeah, but fuck them. But St. Paul is great.

Like, it's loving it. You just get, it's a... Oh, that must have been so hard for criminals. They're like, yeah. Yeah. They could just come across the river and do whatever. Just go swim across the river and just beat the shit out of someone. Want to do crime in Milwaukee?

Fine. Duluth, no problem. Minneapolis, yes. But you could not rob, hurt, or kill anyone in the St. Paul City limits. Pretty cool rule. If every city made that rule, it could be a solution. Or we just have one town. Or we're like, this is Crimesville. I think we're lost.

A criminal would arrive at the train depot, find the nearest cop who would send them to the Savoy Hotel, and he would check in with Reddy Griffin, who was the crook liaison with the cops. I guess I didn't expect criminals to be so above board with their arrival. Can we see your crime passport? There you are. All right, right this way.

Come to your room. No crime now. So you had to declare yourself. I mean, essentially, yeah. You're like, you're like registered. So criminals would come here and be like, well, you got to follow the room. rules. Yeah.

Well, they would... You're a pig's eye. They would pay the cops a bribe, a bribe, and then they'd get a room at the hotel. Cool. Any criminal who registered with the cops, but still did a crime, would be dragged to John's office, and John would scream at them or beat them and kick them out of the city. It doesn't even seem like a bad, like, if you did crime, it doesn't seem like a terrible... Like, if he yells at you, you're like, yeah, all right, cool, see you later.

No, but you're... I mean, I murdered two guys. I am so disappointed in you. That is crazy. Two men are dead. You promised. Now, get out of here. I think about what you've done.

Quote, if they behave themselves, I left them alone. If they didn't, I got them. Under other administrations, there were as many thieves here as there are now, but they pillaged and robbed. I chose the lesser of two evils. Sure. So, maybe you can see the logic in it. I do see the logic, but yeah. It's like an honor system

for the dishonorable as, you know. So this lasted over a decade until Reddy died suddenly from a stroke. No. Oh, easy. So John had to find another liaison and he found Dapper Dan Hogan. Dapper Dan was from California

and raised by Irish Catholic parents and he did time in San Quentin. for petty crimes like room prowling. Oh, I'm going to get in there and fuck that room. Ooh, that's noise, that is. He moved to St. Paul around 1909 at the height of the O'Connor Layover Agreement. Deppard Dan excelled in the city

because he was really good at networking and became the city's largest fence. It took me a minute. You really thought. Maybe it was a fence? Don't jump. Uh, yeah. I mean, you use it slang.

Well, no, that's what they're... Back then. What are they called now? Thieves. No, it's not a thief. It's a guy that thief brings the stuff to to sell. Yeah, the pawn. Not a pawn.

There's a fence. He's a fence. He's a wall. Criminals drop stolen goods from robberies in other towns at his bar, casino slash social club, the Green Lantern Saloon. Ooh.

He'd resell them, give the robber cash, and take a cut for himself. So the Greenland... Now, is that crime? Yeah. Okay. You can't sell stolen goods. Have you ever heard of selling stolen goods? Yeah, but that's a crime. I see where you're doing. We're not doing crime. But they have to be able to

make money off of the crimes. So you could bring like contraband, but you couldn't bring you like... Well, he's he may maybe would sell it outside of the city limit so you'd just be like yeah right over here okay what do you got here swim across this river with me with your treasure bag oh nice t-scent yeah that's beautiful a t-set this is beautiful you yeah so in the world you're envisioning now am i are you asking me who are you talking to dapper dan no you oh gareth So, Gareth, in the world you're envisioning...

Hold on. Dan was a fun part to play. Go ahead. In the world you're envisioning... I was raised by English people. Are thieves going out and stealing T-sets? Yes. And bringing them for someone to fence.

Yes. Yeah. Yes, they are. How much do you think a T-s set? I don't know. I don't know the prices back then. Two bucks? Two bucks a cup?

One for a saucer? And if you got a sugar scoop of 50 cents? How many T sets do you think someone needs to steal to like get by for a month? Oh God, not a lot. Do they have the kettle? Yeah, it's a whole T-set. They got the pot? I mean, two?

Two, you'll be over at bloody buckets or whatever it's called banging. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know if they steal other stuff like... Well, they take other stuff. But tea sets. T-sets is the main... It's awesome.

Yeah. I mean, I'm just thinking of the house I was raised in. Yeah. It'd be a big deal. Yeah. Come up with a nice T-set? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thank you. It'd be like that.

Oh, like that. It'd be a big deal. It's like you brought me right there. Yeah. Do it again? No. I don't care for your attitude. Even a real jerk off the last two minutes.

If you brought a T-set, the person would be like, oh, hello, governor? No. Get all excited? No, you don't say that. It's racist. It's been quite long enough. The Green Lantern became the hub of St. Paul crime, which included any local Democratic party bosses

who needed a problem taken care of. Okay. So Dapper Dan was so close to the Dems that whenever the Justice Department tried to prosecute him, they failed. So they'd help him out. Sure, the Dems. In one memo, the Department of Justice described to him as, quote,

doubtless, one of the most resourceful and keenest criminals in the United States, and has always been able to cover his tracks to avoid detection. I like that that's a Justice Department memo until now. Now we got a memo on this fucker. Once the Secret Service tried to put him under surveillance, but Dapper Dan turned around and put the Secret Service under better surveillance. They were like, wait, what? He's going that way. They're going that way.

Wait, what? What? the fuck. He's turning right around here. He's right over here. Here, come with us. They're going right over there. I just follow up at there.

Who the fuck said that? What's happening right now? It spook the Secret Service and they stopped the investigation. This guy's freaking me out. That's the way to fucking do it. Yeah. Just have a couple other guys behind.

Cool. Cool. Move in. Move in. Sorry, move in. Sorry, move in. Hold your position. Okay, everybody hold.

What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? We're in the middle of an investigation. I don't have a big investigation. Who are you investigating, please? Who are you investigating?

We've got a problem over here. We got a situation. Do you even have anything in your... Do you have anything in your sleeve? Yeah. Do you have anything in your sleeve? Of course I do. I'm part of the Secret Service. Who were you?

Not part of the Secret Service. Who were you with? The better Secret Service? You're not supposed to tell me. It's a huge part of the Secret Service. Well, you told me. He's got me. We're watching him.

He keeps knocking into his cuffling, like he's got someone in there. I don't think he has anyone. Yeah, he just held it up and didn't say anything. Hey, what are you guys doing? Are you making small talk with your guys? Sometimes you do chat. No, you shouldn't be doing chat if you're part of a secret service. Guys, get over here right now.

We got a huge fucking problem. Guys, can you get everybody over here right now? No, Dex, leave your men. Your men will stand down. Get over here. You guys want to get meat love tonight for... Hey, why don't we ever talk about what we're... doing for dinner. Why should we should...

Hey, everybody move in right now? No, wait, hold on. They're confused? Yeah, move... Wait, hold on. What should we do? Meatloaf or something like that? They're very confused. This is the time, guys. Let's go. I'm just saying, let's figure something out for later tonight. Mashed potatoes. All right. That sounds good. Hey, what are you get... They're getting mashed potatoes.

These guys are having a Thanksgiving fucking feast. They're such a mess. Jesus Christ, where is he? The whole psychological game. You guys were right. These guys can't handle it. You don't even have anything in your fucking sleeve. My whole hand is a microphone. What? We got advances you didn't even fucking understand.

D.C. Twat. Welcome to St. Paul, bitch. Yeah, he's pandering and it's working pretty well. It's actually frustrating because it feels good to get applause and I haven't gotten that. I don't say that happening tonight. Pig's eye. Still non-applaus. Some people.

clapped, it sort of counts. You got some woos, some other things. There was clapping. There's clapped. I don't know what you consider applause, but there was some clapping. All right, we got to, I'm getting out of here, but I don't think your yours was a little louder, but you pander it a little harder. Thank you. All right, I'm getting off everything. Taking my shirt off. I'm naked. What the fuck? That was sad to watch you spin out like that.

Felt pretty bad. So, Debrideon was honorable. He was a peacemate. He was a peacemate. and his word was as good as gold. He became the new arbiter of the St. Paul Underworld who was the best at, quote, keeping the heat out of town.

Yeah. Yeah, so very cold. Underworld. Very cold. The vampire. Vampires. Interesting. St. Ball became the Vegas of the Midwest. Be thankful you got away from that one.

This is the crazy. When I read this, I was like, what the fuck? Vegas. St. Paul, Minnesota? Boy, way to go. Way to go. Oh, my God. They had huge acts like Duke Ellington and Cab Calloway coming all the time.

Oh, my God. Bright lights and gambling were on every corner, and you could hang out with famous gangsters and feel safe because there was no crime in the city. I can't believe people... So people were coming... People took a time out for... They took a crime out. They took a crime out.

People would show. show up and just be like, no, not while we're here. And then it became a tourist destination because people were like, you want to go hang out with the criminals? And you would just go there to a bar and you'd be hanging out with gangsters. Oh, my God. You'd just be like to Al Capone. You'd be like, you fucking suck. You fucking can't do shit.

I can't believe you didn't. Get out of here. I was going home anyway. All right. This was my last day. All right. See you later. Great to see Al. John defended his system as fighting, quote, organized crime with organized intelligence. Kind of. He's actually doing organized stupid.

I don't know. I mean, it works for his city. It's really weird, though. Like, every other city must be like, I didn't realize that was an option. I mean... We'll welcome any piece of shit. Just don't be a piece of shit here. I mean, Minneapolis must have been like, what the fuck? Yeah, go over there. Just the half the people in Minneapolis are murdered. It's like the smoking section for crime.

who is like, putt up. Shut the fuck up. Give me all your fucking money. All right, I'm going to say, Paul. What are you covered in blood? You're from Minneapolis. Oh, okay, by all means, my friend.

Welcome aboard. Enjoy yourself here in Vegas. He said, known crooks who knew they were being watched did not commit crimes. And he was right. Well, kind of, but that's like every city to some extent. There's a difference. You've created like a place where you're just like,

hey, this is where we can be. like humans again. Can I be honest? Sometimes I like to just be in the green room and not be a criminal. Yeah. You know, it's nice. I hear you. I haven't stabbed the guy since this morning and I feel great. I have. Okay.

Get ready. Hey, you guys, they're back. St. Paul became a safe place for ordinary people. An epidemic of burglaries, robberies, holdups, and thefts came to an abrupt end. Never history of St. Paul has human life

and the property of citizens been so safe and the virtue of its women so assured. And that's what matters. The virtue of the ladies. It's like a shark tank pitch. It's called crime

free town. It's just, it is the definition of that's crazy enough to work. You could pitch this on Shark Tank and Mr. Fabbiz. would be like, yeah, I like that. And we'll just gas them. What?

There you go. In perpetuity. Local women's clubs disagreed, but John didn't care. Winners clubs? Local women's clubs disagreed, but John didn't care because they couldn't vote. We'll get back to it. We're on our way. Quote, let the women attend to their own business in their homes.

The idea that, he's like, there's no crime as long as women don't leave their houses. You see, my metrics are strange. John hated the temperance movement, well, I mean, getting fucking lined. Which was dominated by women. He thought breweries and beer gardens helped the economy, and major breweries,

like hams, could use protection. You know, like the way the mafia protected businesses. So were women even going out? I'm sure they were. They're like in the beer gardens, but they're like, Jesus Christ. And he's like, perfect. A crime-free zone for men.

We found utopia. Most women, a lot of women were in the temperance movement because their husbands came on drunk and spent all their money on booze. By the way, that's the best way to start a revolution, like, to just be like, he's so drunk, he won't remember. Where are you going? I'm going out protesting for my right to vote. All right.

Oh, it's looked like shit. Yeah, we were in bed by 10. Oh, cool. So John retired in 1920 as Prohibition began, and Prohibition blew up the O'Connor system. He left right on time. He did. He had the perfect run.

Organized crime rings flooded in, and without John's heavy hand, crime rates immediately shot up. It was so bad that there were seven police chiefs in 10 years after John's 20-year term ended. Oh, shit. it's like a bad GM

that's a lot yeah it's sorry my first thought was Manchester United so I get it sometimes beat cops

didn't know who their bosses were until they showed up for work what fucks this guy hey how are you um okay

so there's a lot of shit going on out there yeah um just make sure that nobody's pushing and uh Or what is you going to say?

Nothing. Just fucking. Yeah. Are you nine? Yeah. I am nine. Okay. Yeah.

So, all right. The guns, no more. Unless you can't have guns. Well, no. Or you need them. Yeah, we get them. Oh. Have you got a police jeep before?

No. Uh-uh. Have you? No. Oh, shit. Okay. To handcuffs. Let's go from the top.

How do they work? Oh, Jesus. No, no, no. Be honest. What's the best part? Okay. Hold on. I usually put one on one bed stand and one or the other.

Oh, no, bring the perps down. I don't do my feet, though. My feet all use like a silk. Hey, hey, hey, bring the perps down here. Bring the perps down here? Yeah. What does that mean? I don't know.

It was written on a note cart. Okay. Hey, how'd you get hired? My dad left. Your dad was the last police chief? Yeah. But then why are you doing it? I miss my dad.

What? I'm holding on to a piece of him. And nobody else would do it. Hey, shut the fuck up. Oh, here we go. Yeah. Yeah. You fucking shut up.

I like this. Yeah, all right. You're such a bitch. Yeah, okay. And I hate you. Okay. Are you talking to your dad right now? Yeah. You just were so bad.

Yeah. You left Christmas morning. Okay. Okay. Hey, I don't really want to listen to this anymore. Yeah, all right. Why don't you shut the fuck up and go. Let's get our hands in.

No, we're not getting that hands in. Come on. Do the handshake. I'm thinking about breaking your hands. Do the handshake. The billy club. Yeah. Go cops. Go cops.

I just shot eight guys. And I ate their brains. What the fuck? Yeah, we're fucking back, baby. That's not back. I don't know. Oh, man. It's just crazy.

Happened super, happen super quick. Shouldn't you be in school or something? Supposed to be, yeah. Okay. All right, well, you're not going to make it through the day. All right. Okay.

Please don't wipe your nose with your arm. I don't have a hanky. Okay. All right. Nobody knows is sore. That's because you keep wiping it with your whole fucking arm. Yeah. Like a weirdo.

It's really red. Yeah. But now it's snottier. Okay. Stop talking. Aye. Yeah. Yep.

For a while, though, the agreement was still upheld, thanks to the diplomatic services of Dapper Dan. Yeah. In the winter of 1928, just before 11.30 a.m., Dan was just finishing breakfast. and he went to the garage. It's a late breakfast. And got in his car a page coop,

which, if you just Googled like typical 1920s a mobster car, that's what it is. Okay, it's got the doors. And Dapper Dan had... It's got the doors, yeah. Good. Well done. You're not the only history. You fucking get it.

Like, you have like a... In your mind, you see stuff. I paint word pictures. Yes. For those of you listening, pictures, yeah, a car, but from back then. Mm-hmm. Well done.

Big old dump tires. Yeah, big dump tires. Probably convertible. Roof on it. Yeah, roof. One wiper. Fucking idiots. One, yep.

Stupid. Okay. Dapper Dan had an alarm in the garage in case anyone went in to try and kill him. I'll be honest. I'm shocked alarms were invented. I know, right? Yeah, it's crazy. What would that even be like?

It was probably just a bird. I picture it like the Flintstones. It's an hour. Hard to hear it. But he let the batteries expire on the alarm. Police report quote... This before it did the annoying beep. Yeah.

Police report, quote, The force of the blast rocketed the auto out of Hogan's garage and into the alley. Hogan's right leg was practically blown off. The explosion blew the hood off the car, went through the top of the car, broke all the windows in the car, blew the steering well completely off, tore apart, the rear end of the engine off, and broke all the windows in the garage. Yeah, the car exploded. The car in the garage exploded. And also the roof was on fire, and the walls burned. And the car. That Berdan somehow survived.

Fuck yeah. It was one of the first car bombings in the United States. People were like, what the fuck happened? Your whole car blew up. What? It's pretty cool. A bomb. Genius. So gangsters from all over rushed to his aid, begging to give him their blood.

What? They wanted to do, they wanted to be like, does he need blood? I got blood. Here's a bucket of it. That looks hepatitisy. Yeah. Yeah, right, jack it in.

At the hospital, Dan was shocked that someone had tried to kill him because everyone loved him. He told friends he didn't know he even had enemies and hundreds jammed phone lines trying to get an update on his condition. Wow. That is awesome. And then Dapper Dan went into surgery, fell into a coma, and died. What was he having surgery for?

Well, his legs off. That's one reason. Let it go. The surgeon back then. There we are. Oh, boy. He's gone. We are not ready to do stuff.

like this. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what, his leg's the healthiest part. And that, what a little twist of irony of that is? Should we sew up the hole where the leg was? Well, it is lunch. What are we doing for lunch? We got a lot of buckets. Oh, you want to get a, we still have leftover meatloaf?

Yeah, we'll do meatloaf for lunch. That sounds good. Okay. All right. See you guys later. Okay, bye. Thank you. Dan's last words were quote, Doc, you better be good. You know what? I like that before a surgery,

putting the pressure on the doctor. If I don't wake up, I'll kill you. You better be good. He was like, well, that was shit. That's a lot of pressure. Oh, shit. He shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have used to hammer.

Yeah. Let's just hammer that leg off, and then we'll get out of here. Deppard Dan Hogan's dies of bomb. I don't think that's fair. that doesn't even put the surgeon on the hook at all. Well, he did die at bomb wounds. No, he had a fucking leg.

He had a leg. He was like, he said something to the surgeon. The leg came up, yeah, but he still died of the wounds from the bombing. No, he died from a bad surgeon. What are you talking about? What are you? This is crazy. He was blown into pieces and they were trying to get him to live and he didn't live.

He said something to the surgeon. If you get hit by a car... If you could talk to the surgeon, I better come out. What the fuck? If I can have a sense of humor before I go under, you better That is the, that is absolutely the craziest You're so wrong. Of, you do not ever work in an ER.

My God, you're out of your fucking mind. I will. And I'll show you. You? Yeah, me in an ER. What do you mean? He's dead. He said a word before he went in. Not a word. He said a word. He had thought, no.

My husband can't be dead. The last thing he said was, I'll see it in Hawaii. And now he's gone. No. He said I see in Hawaii, that man is not ready to live. He said, Doc, you better be good. It was pointed. But you could be bleeding out and say that.

Well, that's different. Hey, Doc, you better be. Not to mention, you have to time it with, like, the anesthetic properly. You got to get it out like. There's a lot of things. 10, 9, Doc, you better be good. I'm sure that they were, you know, in the Civil War, a doctor pulled out a saw.

And the guy was like, you better be good. He's awake for that. Doc, you better be good. Oh, you're not. Oh, you're not. Oh, you're not. Oh, my God. Oh, you're not.

Oh, my God. What the fuck? Is this really necessary? Plus, there's all those movies when, like, someone just like a bad guy punches into a chest and pulls out the guy's heart. All those movies? That's one movie. A guy says a line like, oh, no.

I love your movie trope of a movie. When a guy takes another guy's heart out. Literally one movie. Like when a guy gets cut in a half by a blade and he's like, oh dear, and then he slides in half. No, that's different. That's different. I will concede.

And they actually do that to the actor. That's true. Yeah. Another commitment. No, one of the hardest lines to deliver in any comedy is like if you get hit on the head and like your comedic line before you pass out, it's like a miss all the time. Always. Doc, you better be good.

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Pokemon. Tonos.com is a new sponsor. I don't want to work with them. Historians believe the killer was likely dapper Dan's protege, Harry Sawyer. He had wanted the Green Lantern, and he wanted to be top gangster. It's so hard to hear that and not think of a bad guy in a Marvel movie. He wanted the Green Lantern. did he do anything to have him.

And Dan had fucked Harry over. He owed Harry half a million dollars he had put up to get Dan out of prison and also 700,000 from a gambling operation. Back then money? Yeah. Oh, boy. Back then bucks. Before surgery, Dan told his wife to go to the Green Lantern and take all the money they had

out of the city. This man should have survived. He gave his wife logistical plans. You have the craziest idea. You're out of your fucking mind. Oh, my God. He was talking to. Hey, honey.

You're a lunatic. Honey, honey, honey, under the floorboards, there's a budget. Go there. And then you're going to go. You'll fight some keys. They go to the Green Lantern. I'm 100% I'm going to live. Look at how cognitive I am.

It's a fucking leg. Have you ever heard of when someone gets trapped between the subway and the subway platform and their body twists around? Yeah. That's not what he had. Then they bring down their family and they like say goodbye and stuff. Is it not me? I would.

And all of their body falls out. By the way, same deal. Way different. And by the way, if I was in that situation, I'm insisting on them never moving me

and I want my family to move down at that subway car. We will live here. We will rebuild our lives down here. I will never be untwisted. Now come, give your husband a kiss. There we go.

I'm fine. How was school, Jr.? I'm fine. Happy end of it. Happy on the first break. I love it much. Gareth Reynolds is doing his new stand-up special. I'm on the platform.

No, we're closing. The platform closed. No, let me do my last special first. Twisted comedy. I'm doing my special like that. You guys ever noticed how awesome it is to have oxygen? This is tough. Hey, who hates the subways?

How bad is the subway become? These fucking trade, they don't tell you when they're coming. Ah, you know what I mean? That's the show. You guys have to leave. You know, you get out of the subway. Good night, you guys have to go. You know, you get out of the subway car, and you don't know which way is fifth straight

and which way is six, and you get all twisted around. I'm the only guy when I'm like, look at, I look that way and the trade's coming from the other way, and then I have to move down here and do a special. How crazy is that? I think we're enjoying this show more than anybody. I know. I really want to make this movie now.

I want it to, yeah. He just rebuilds, blowing out birthday candles. Oh, thank you. You do it. He's trying to date. So, have you ever thought about living in a subway? Have you ever seen yourself living in a subway, maybe? How important is sex to you?

Are you into oral? I'm looking for like a pillow princess type of. Now they'll lower you down on a series of cables We've got it all playing down What are you weigh about a buck 80? Buck 20 I'm sorry I haven't seen a woman in a while I'm so sorry

I should have I never guess a woman's weight How old are you? Oh my God, another faux pa Can you tell I haven't been on Tinder for a while? Oh my God I've been the best time with you We really yeah More wine? I can't

Goes right through me As you can see Here, catch it. Finish. It's called a bucket of blood. That's what we're dealing with. Stop living down there. 30 years.

Oh, God. I tell you, it gets a little boring, God. People stop visiting. Live streaming all day. People stop visiting me after 10 years. Once they shut down the platform, It's like nobody comes by. It's become a bit strange.

Shut up! I fucking hate New York. This is brutal. So where was I before all that happened? Okay. So she goes to the Green Lantern to look for the money in the deposit, in the safe, basically. But when she gets there, it's empty.

And the only other person out of key was Harry Sawyer. So he clearly killed him. Sure. By the 1930s, the O'Connor system had completely backfired, and the city was known across the U.S. as a place where killers, bank robbers, and general fiends were not only safe but welcome. So now they could come there and just commit crime. Do whatever they want. Yeah, so the charm of the town is gone.

Fortune magazine called it, quote, The best place in America to hire a hitman. What the fuck is for... Have we ever needed Fortune magazine? Has it ever been valuable? It's just like, here's the best place to kill people. Here, the top 500 bin the tooth. The gangsters were beloved by the people

because they targeted wealthy robber barons who created the Great Depression. Who created the Great Depression and ruined ordinary folks' lives. I'm starting to see a reason. Yeah. Many were delighted to greet them in St. Paul. Machine Gun Kelly bought... Oh, he's the worst.

Miss Gun Kelly. Oh, this is a different one. She chatted around town to inflate Mr. Gun Kelly's rep. Mr. Gun Kelly's rep. Thanks for having respect. I do. I'm not going to... Mr. Gun Kelly's rep while he bragged about bank robbers

while drinking a huge glass of milk in speakeasies. By the way, that is the number one beverage to drink and not get fucked with. I'd be like, you know what? You're good. That guy's fucking crazy. Hell's going on over there. You bring in the whole cow and I'll just suck on that. Have a good life. Abe the Twist, no, Abe Kid Twist, Rels.

Oh, that's the subway car guy. Kid Twist. How you doing? Man, my hands are said, my hands can't separate. Can you believe that? That's crazy. How are you? That's right.

I got a fourth butt cheek. What's normal? Oh, yeah? Tell you what? Imagine being married to this luggin' nuts. She's a very lucky lady. Kid Twist was a hitman with murder incorporated. He used an ice pick in the ear because, quote,

you don't hear nothing, you don't see nothing. He just goes to sleep. Well, tell you who hears something. The ice-picked guy. The last thing he hears is pretty devastating. It's so funny to look at the... This guy looks like a great, like a grandpa. It does.

And where are my kids? You put it through their brain in out. That's boom, blah, bang, boom. You want to see me kill a four-year-old? Come here, guys. A cop said Kid Twist could, quote, kill a guy like he was opening a bottle of a salsa. Okay.

I mean, you got to use it, you know, not everyone's good at it. Yeah, like the translations back then. Everyone's like, what do you mean? That's right. He could kill a guy like he built a pool in his property. What's going on? You wouldn't hear him coming like a screaming hang glider. What?

A hang glider who's screaming. You ain't going to hear that. The hang glider itself was screaming or the guy on the hand glider? the guy on it. Screaming. Yelling. So you can hear him really common. No, not from that altitude.

Yeah, but you still hear it. Yeah, look. It's not quiet. He's tougher than a bad golf swing. Are you saying that a bad golf swing is a indication that someone's tough? Oh, they're going right. They're bringing up a lot of dirt. They've got to put those little patches back down.

Tough's the dirt. He's got a little echo than a forest with no trees. What? Exactly. It's not okay. He's more near-sighted than a frog with a bifocal. Why would... Exactly.

That's my point to you. I'm just going to agree with you. Yeah, that's my point to you. You understand? That we really nailed that one. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. I nailed that one harder than I did a toolbox with a bunch of rust on it that a kid took from his dad's shed and he wasn't supposed to.

And his dad found out, he sat down, he had a long chair with him. And he was like, don't worry about it. I know you want to be me, but you can't take my... Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up. Don't you fucking say another word. He's more tired than a limousine with 18 flats. I got to try to clear myself.

My neck is so... Give him that hawk-toa. Nope. Imagine listening. What hell's going on? This is a very strange moment. Kid Twist hung in lounges, taken, talking of his hits

while eating a sandwich, miming kills using a pickle as an ice pick. What the fuck? He had an ice pickle? I can't get one of these. It's called an ice pickle. Get that fucking pickle out of my ear, you fucking asshole. There you go. And then it went through his brain. That's a dill, bitch.

Yeah, there you go. Edna Murray was called Rabbits Murray for escaping prison three times by hopping a fence. not bad fence It's such a great time when it was just like I'll go over the fence

How did she get out of here? I swear to God We got to build something higher than two feet That rabbit lady jumped right over it She was also called the kissing Bandit for standing in the middle of a road To stop a big rig And then she'd get in the cab

And make out with the driver While her gang stole the loot in back It's an absolute shock the length of time men have had the power. The most simple dumbest fucks. I can't believe a woman

wants to come up to the front of the cabin, make out with me. That makes sense? Holy shit, this is my fantasy. Holy shit, everything's gone. Dear Penhouse. Fuck, I got robbed. That's it. Dear Penhouse, I never thought I'd be writing one of these.

They took everything. My real wife left me. John Dilliger was the most famous. He was like a Robin Hood type. He only robbed banks that were FDIC insured and ripped up mortgages. Bring it back. Yeah, but now ripping them up now, people will be like, cool. We have those on computers.

Well, that's why you hack it and get rid of it. He once escaped jail using a gun carved out of wood and blackened it with shoe polish. That guy, that card was an idiot. Holy shit, John, where did you get a pistol like that? It's so shiny. Yeah. With some spots that are kind of white and woody. Yeah, it's new.

Who makes that gun? Smith and Smith. Smith. Hey, we don't want no trouble, John. By the way, you have black shoe polish all over both of your hands. We don't want no trouble, John. I was fixing my shoes. You mean those are disco shoes?

Well, but I also was doing some black legs. stuff. Oh, well, say no more. We know that that's true. Can I go? Absolutely. Yeah. See ya. Tell you what? He was out of here faster than a robot without wires. Without wives? Wires. Yeah. You believe that? No. Yeah, it's crazy. He wants to... He did more... In St. Paul, he tipped a bartender's $100. Great. He made a deal for the cops to tip him off of the FBI was ever coming for him. Great.

But once the feds were able to raid his apartment and he shot his way out, at that exact moment, a grand jury was exonerating the St. Paul Police Department saying there was, quote, no justification for any charges that an excess of crime exists here. It's great. All right. What should we do for lunch? Every police officer's gone. Wait, what?

The feds are gone. A bootleger Leon Gleckman, the Al Capone of St. Paul. Paul Capone. Paul Capone was so powerful that he installed the police chief, Big Tom Brown, who was 6'5. Oh, shit.

Brown had been on the Purity Squad, which was a unit to shut down... You're not fucking, are you? Nobody's fucking, are they? I'm unfuckable, then so are you all. If no one will fuck me, you can't fuck. Do you understand? Nobody fucks.

Shut up. Unless someone wants to fuck me. No, then nobody. We'll all be virgins. That's basically the entire... Forever! It's basically the entire right wing. Forever!

There's a difference. Yeah. Now, the purity squad was a unit to shut down speakeasy, but they never found any. I don't know. You swear to God, you just have a bunch of gin bottles here and you're not... That's right. 100%. Good to see you, though.

You have mascara on your eyes still. I had a show last night. Now, the Eocomler labor system had also worked due to the weakness of the FBI. Before 1934, the FBI couldn't carry guns or make arrests. They relied on local cops to execute warrants. Not being able to make arrests is a great... It's amazing. Excuse me, officer?

He's doing bad stuff. Okay. I'm part of the FBI. Go get him. Come on. Nah. Please. We got it.

We got everything we need. We got a wiretap on him. Okay. He's doing bad stuff. Please. Mr. Officer. Let me finish my orange juice. Sometimes it'll take me like a day.

It's a crazy length of time. Yeah. What did you say? Who are you with? The FBI. I don't know who that is. The feds. Okay.

We wear suits Yeah Pages Yeah you got little things there Well thanks for coming by Why don't you go get them yourself? I can't Oh

That's really sad No Wow it sounds like your job fucking sucks Huh We'll show you Oh will you We'll ruin everything What

We're gonna kill everybody Who would start a revolution What You'll see Jesus Christ You've got that blood on your hands. Oh, my God. Smoke bomb.

If the FBI wanted a raid, the cops had to comply. But the police had a policy to call and warn the criminals. That's... Again, it's like... It's so hard to not find this system better. I mean, it's like, obviously, you don't want crime, but you're like, yeah, but let's take our chances, honestly. Brown made sure. all his gangster pals made it out untouched,

but those who wrong Brown didn't, for instance, ex-ally Homer Van Meter, a bunch of cops ambushed Van Meter in broad daylight and filled them with holes, stole his money, took his car, which they then turned into a cop car. Anyway, don't fuck with me. In 1933, Prohibition was repealed and bootleggers needed to make money,

and there was only so much. any banks they could rob. In 1932, one of every five bank robberies in the U.S. took place in Minnesota. Wow. That's pretty awesome. So the

Big Fish turned to kidnapping, and one gang took the lead. That'd be so hard to be like, yeah, we're worried. So we've actually, we've transitioned as well as we can. We're kidnappers now. Oh, shit. We take people. Okay. Yeah, see it later. All right, bye. I actually.

Eat a piece of shit. Get in here. Arizona Donnie Clark, aka Ma Barker. Whoa. She was from Missouri, and she married a loser named George Barker, and they had four kids, Fred, Doc, Herman, and Lloyd.

Who named them? Most of them, if not all, were illiterate. One was just fucking stupid. Well, I am facing forward. Herman. Forward for me to the camera. What is the camera? The thing I'm holding.

Cheese. Fucking moron. Hi, Wall. I knew I shouldn't have done push-ups when I was having you. She raised the boys in Tulsa. On gel. She raised the boys in Tulsa in a dirt floor shack with no windows or door. Beautiful.

What the fucking... Dirt floor No door is not a real detail No it's just an open fucking thing Well this is it forever How do we get out? Get out where?

Good point So Popping out kids into dirt Oh dear He's very dusty So miserable poverty So Ma opened a sort of A door, a window

A sort of school for criminals Helping local boys with bank robberies and other crimes. And her son's crimes escalated until Herman, who was the idiot, shot... Called that. Could tell who the run of that litter is. Shot a cop in the head, then ran over a child, and then killed himself.

Herman, Herman. Oops, I done it again. Herman. I done it again, Ma. I shot myself. Hermann. Herman. Mama.

Idiot. Yeah. Well, I tell you to face the music, but you don't know which way to go. I like to look at the wall. Jesus Christ. To be the stupidest one in this family is really saying something. Look at Lloyd. He's dumb. I think.

you died. Yeah, but I never stopped talking. I can't believe there's a ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. Jesus Christ. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost.

I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. In 1930, Ma married another loser. This guy was like, cool. I love your empire.

Arthur Dunlop. He even had dumb in his name. Yeah. He loved getting drunk and bragging about the family's crimes. In 1931, Ma's ruthless son, Fred, got out of prison, and with friend Alvin Carpus, his nickname was creepy because of his dead doll's eyes and his smile, which many said made them feel like a ghost was walking over their grave. So Ma adopted creepy, and they became the masterminds of the organization.

They had to go on a run after killing a Missouri sheriff, and they ended up in St. Paul. And their first big stick-up job was at the Northwestern National Bank. They stole a fancy car to do the job in style, a luxury Lincoln. Doors. Got a. And they got 75,000 in paper money, 6.5,000 in coins, and 185,000 in bonds, which is over 6 million today. Jesus Christ. Now, because of the O'Connor...

Where are we going to hide it? Because of the O'Connor layover system, they were fine. But then some kid recognized them from their pictures in a true detective magazine. Fucking snitch. Hey, wait a minute. You little son of a bitch. I'm the sheriff. Fucking dare you.

So Arthur Dunlop was a total fucking dick, and he abused Ma. Or they thought he had blabbed instead of the kid figuring it out. Or they just wanted to kill him. Either way, they killed him. Okay. Kind of tipped your hand on that a little bit. And a woman's glove was found covered in blood at the scene. The gang hit out in a fancy fishing town 14 miles north and then came back to do a kidnapping.

Whoa, a door. William Ham Jr. Jesus fucking crazy. Every guy here looks like he's been like blow darted with roids. Look at the size of this guy. He's 20. He's 20? I'm kidding. Oh my God.

I would not surprise. Look at his hands. Yeah. He's got skull crushers. So William Ham Jr. was the rich young heir to the Ham's brewery fortune. Wow. So they grabbed him in the parking lot and pulled him. They grabbed the ham's air.

In the ham's parking lot. Make better beer. No. Fuck you. They pulled him into a car. Creep had to be a big car They were like his legs are still Pull him in all the way

His head's out the other cheese All right smush him So cordial him in there Push him in Creepie was in the passenger seat And he had a minor freak out And was terrified they'd kidnap the wrong guy Quote with typical Minnesota good spirits

Ham assured the gangsters That he was indeed William Hamm Jr. No That was very nice of you to tell us that wanted to be fair I remember the first time at Cam here I was like, who why you're saying hi to me I don't fucking know you on the street

I used to have a Joe bit my act about how nice people in Minnesota order How are you doing? Fuck off Yeah Ham quote They were very nice to me What a weird man

I asked They were some of my best friends I adored each one of them I asked for anything I wanted And ordered anything I wanted The meals were good and simple Nothing elaborate it, but whoever did the cooking

knew their way around the kitchen. What is happening right now? What is he doing? I'll tell you what, boys, I'm having a hell of a time. This is absolutely lovely. Can I ask who the chef is? You are beautiful cuisine. Although it was a trying experience,

I was treated with the utmost respect and courtesy, but like the old adage, home sweet home is the best place. He's treated like sleepaway kids. camp. That's all. I'm going to really miss the hell out of you guys. You're some of my best friends.

You guys want to hug this out? Come on. The gang made $2.5 million in cash from the kidnapping. A big chunk of that went to Big Tom Brown, which put them in the clear, right? So they did another kidnapping. Find a smaller guy. Well, they did.

Edward Bremer. Edward Bremer was a banker and an air, to the Schmidt Brewery fortune. Everyone had beer money. Yeah. It's pretty good. The FBI quote, he was very much disliked, not only by his family, but generally.

Shouldn't that go in the opposite order? Shouldn't he be like, not only generally, but also by his family. Like the twist there is not that he was generally disliked. You know, his family hated him and get this, others. You're not going to believe this.

It was unpalatable to everyone. He has his family. He has an uncontrollable temper, is very selfish, and has few friends. This guy looks like the guy who's like out of fucking control. And then this guy's like, you cross me, I will fuck you up. I will fuck your world up. And Bremer was on the wrong side of Harry Sawyer, the guy who had killed Dapper Dan. Bremer had forced relationships with criminals to get through prohibition.

but now that it was over, he wanted to cut ties, and gangsters don't like that. So on January 17, 1934, two cars blocked Brammer in, and a man tried to pull him out of his car, but Brammer fought. So the guy pistol-wipped the shit out of him until blood was everywhere. Oh, my God. Not to make light of this man's impending death, but the moment when you just think these are two idiot drivers, What are these guys doing?

Guys, get it to get it. Oh, it's a murder. Oh, okay. Okay, dokey. Now I get it. So when he was being shoved into the back of the kidnappers car, Bremer blocked the door with his legs, so they slammed it,

severely injuring his knee, and then closed it. See, the way the other guy handled it was way better. Way better. Hi, you guys want me to bake your pie? Oh, you guys can abuse my legs. Oh, this is quite an interior. And then they were going to take his car too, but they couldn't figure out how to start it because it's a fancy new car. Quote, they continue to beat him over the head so furiously that he decided that he had best start his car, which he did.

They beat him so much, he was like, I'll start it. Yeah. Oh, you got to touch that button. It's his eyes like out of his head. It's tricky, huh? They make it, it's pretty crazy now if you think about it. The ruling families of St. Paul were horrified by this new trend. Yeah.

A reporter, quote, We had a lot of murders and gangster killings in kidnapping of minor hoodlums for ransom. Nobody paid any attention to it. But when we start to pick on the fat boys, then people get alarmed. When a fat boy is threatened, he will get action. Wait, what? The fat boys. The rap group?

Fat boys. The fat boys? This is they called rich guys. Hey, fat boy. Shut up. I just have a lot of money. I work out. Because they're like fat cats, basically.

So they're, oh, it's so great. We should bring that back, Andrew. We really, shit. We have so little. How Elon would not be able to handle. Hey, fat boy. Excuse me, I don't even think I'm fat. What are you even talking about?

You are made from a completely different, your molecules are not even in line with where you used to be on a cellular level. Fat boy Stop it Fat boy You stop that right now Fat boy You don't understand

No Fat boy I'm not fat boy I'm just digesting a trillion dollars Jesus Christ Now Bremer's father Happen to be good friends With FDR

Oh shit And within hours The President sent a special team Of FBI agents Told a thousand mail carriers to watch for suspicious activity. I like that the mail carriers and the FBI had like the same amount

of power. Look, boys, we got some serious crimes going. I don't want everyone looking for weird letters. Like the FBI and the mail carriers standing next to each other. Like, we're going to stick together. The FBI is like, no, we're not, shut the fuck up, then.

Deliver the mail. And he got word from the American Legion that 10,000 legioners were ready to help. So Bremer complained a lot to the kidnappers, especially about the cooking. How

fucking dare you? Well, even though he got chili, chop suey, fried chicken, strawberry shortcake, and apple pie. What the fuck? And the last guy was like, this is delicious. Like the chef was like, I don't know what to think anymore.

Clark, you're doing great. No, whatever. He did, fuck, whatever. He doesn't like the season. Let him salt. Give him the salt. Fuck it. I don't care. Give him the ketchup too. Let him dip it. This guy is unbelievable. His legs don't work. It's fine.

I'm fine. To cover their identities, the kidnappers used fake accents. French, Irish, and Italian, but they were not good at it. Them not being good at it is fucking amazing. What were the accents? French, Irish, and Italian. It was just like, Arm Yard. D.D.

So where did you think the Murray gonna be? Would you like a potato? A G- Just think the- An Irish potato? I'm from a part of Italy that I never ever given a name to. You guys could just talk regular. Oh, we are?

What are talking to bag of regular people very much, so? It's how you don't know where we're from. It doesn't far, oh? How'd you jack your friend of chicken, huh? Why do you like to fry the chicken? What? Hachers here. What?

Hach here, some more water. Are you a bird? Do you? No, that's Ireland? More, more, more, more, more? You a Muppet? Yeah, after excusing my friend, did you do a bit?

He not, uh, nowhere has accented performance so much. What? And I, excuse him, I say, I've a bit of more fire with your, did you, do you, did you're it? Did you do it? No?

Hi, Hi, Sirpard, Not now. Ha ha ha. It's your. We're not American. We're not been to America, no.

Okay, don't do it. Yeah, you never done with American before? You're from America before? What? You from America before? Am I from America before? You're surprised.

Chishay, yay. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Chibra. Chibrah. Yeah, it's, Yeah, it's care.

It's care, bro. Yeah. Are you from here? No. Once they got 200,000, which is 5 million in today's money, the gang dropped Bremer and had him take a bus and train home. Now I'm really mad. Yeah, too. I don't fucking get on a bus.

He... He didn't even a train. This is just some guys stand up. And then Bremer. wouldn't tell the FBI very much. Either because the gang had threatened to kill his daughter or due to his connections to underruled figures

who wanted to kill him for the whole going back after probation. You said Thompson to them? We've got to take her daughter go by now. She's she! She'd be overwage. Can you... Shall we make an agreement that you can kill her if you shut up?

No. No. It's no. Trust us. You can be a big fan that was this. it's gonna work out a real cut for you just shes if I happen you make it okay okay you be quite okay

you're good dude a rudder jute what is your problem it's a spas me pa is uh hell I didn't know you are

Italian so so either way he was very frustrating to interview for the feds. He did bitch to the FBI that, quote, all of his food was too well seasoned, indicating to him that a man

who was inexperienced did the seasoning. He's behind like the partition mirror. He's watching like, you know, the last guy said he liked it. But Bremer did memorize the house's distinct wallpaper. and the FBI went through 600,000 samples. Oh, my fucking God.

Traced the purchase back to the Barker Carpus gang. The micro-feesh? No. No. No. I hate that one. No. Who does stripes?

No. Clowns? Crazy. No, for kid, I guess for the kids. Still, it's not really. Yeah, it's a fucking freak show. Drafts, yeah. 200,000 left.

Are those penises? A lot of these are penises. Super weird. They also used a brand new tech. Silver nitrate to lift prints off ransom notes. Ooh. That sucks to be caught up at that first thing. Yeah, right?

Wait, what? They did what? What's a fingerprint? Huh? Huh? What do you mean these things? Oh, I guess they kind of do have lines. Oh, shit.

The process of using fingerprints elevated the status of the FBI from dorks who needed cops to America's greatest detectives. By the way, such a dorky way to work out of being a dork. Seriously. Now we know what your fingers look like. Put silver on the paper. Congress gave them more power leading to the FBI we know and hate today. Creepy and Fred Barker knew their fingerprints were all over the scene, so they had painful fingerprint mutilation surgery.

Oh my God, for the first time. You better be good at this duck. He's dead. Fingerprint mutilation surgery. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to cut all your fingers off. Okay. There you go.

Sounds good. There you go. An underruled doctor gave them cocaine, then sliced off the skin and even some muscle on their fingers. By the way, is that not an admission of guilt? Like the FBI's like, wait, what did you do? How are you? We were all rock climbing. We were rock climbing.

Then they poured acid on the finger. Why? What? Who's this guy? And now to just make sure it's okay. It didn't work. because the scars were now uniquely identifying. They had rare freaky scar fingers.

That doctor sneaking out of the room, like, don't mind if I know. So why did he pour acid on him to help cover it? That'll do it. He like cut their fingers off there. He's like, a little bit of acid. Nobody will know what you do. Now we're going to burn him.

Put him in a fire. What? And the feds could match creepy's hands anyway Since they had pictures from when he was in prison Oh, he's just standing at you had pictures of that You know, fuck me Shit, I can't I'm done picking up

Good news, who's now I'm really creepy I can't fuck That is so fucking great The gang split up The first guy to pitch it He's like, I'll take their fingerprints off Can you do that? Yeah

The gang split up and went on the run. Their accomplices in St. Paul turned on them for lighter sentences. Fucking squealers. Yeah. Well, pigs are. Ma and Fred were killed in a gunfight. Creepy and Doc were caught and sent to Alcatraz. The weird dwarfs.

Snow White! Six of our dwarves are dead snow light. And then a new anti-corruption mayor was elected in St. Paul. Big Tom Brown was now. under FBI investigation and hearings were held and he was implicated in many crimes. He fought being fired, but the public was now very against him and he was in the end fired. But not prosecuted. He still got a pension and ran a tavern up north. But ultimately, it was St. Paul business interests who got rid of the criminals.

Ten companies worked with Howard Kahn at the Daily News to raise $100,000 to fund an investigation and they tapped phones and got the entire department finished on corruption. Holy shit. The 1935 investigation led to tons of press and the whole operation collapsed. Dozens of cops and high-ups were suspended, fired, or got prison, and that was it. The O'Connor-Ley-O agreement lasted for 36 years. Holy shit. 36 fucking years.

That's fucking nuts. I mean, that is a crazy amount of time. And how long would it actually... working like 20 definitely 20 but then after that it still kind of worked a little bit not as not as well as it had before but it was still a system in place that like you could go there and the cops wouldn't really bust you right but you would be doing crime yeah right so it doesn't work well it worked for the criminals right you're thinking of people correct yeah we're talking about criminals yeah we're talking about different stuff yep

this is written by Josh and Drowsky the sources John Dillinger slept here by Paul McCabe, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, The Big Fellow in the Cardinal by Robert O'Connor in 3am magazine, Keeping the Peace in St. Paul by Joel Best, St. Paul in the O'Connor system by J.A. Densley and Leave No Trace, long history of criminals mutilating their fingers to try to evade capture. I don't think I've ever wanted to read a book more. I would fucking read that.

That's awesome book. I think that's the book I would like to read most out of any on this door. Well, that didn't work either. Fuck. That didn't work either. All right, everybody. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.