The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 736 - Silas Soule - Part One

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 My father's dead. You killed you. They think that I'm shiny. I am a pie man. I'm Pete Rose, and I only go to Gold's Gym, this one specifically. Rumor is that his penis is broke. And show up where the Taco Bar was. His brain just fucking exploded. River of cheese.
Starting point is 00:00:16 You've been drinking any gnome juice? No, officer. My dad had a fart chair. Hey, cover me. You're listening to the Dalip on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history. podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to Guy. Gareth Reynolds.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Hey, everybody who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. July 26th, 1838, the year of our lord, Jatown. Did you know they just found his skateboard in Jerusalem? No, they didn't. They didn't. They were doing an excavation. It was very stupid. Sounds like, I'm right about J-Town.
Starting point is 00:01:05 Show me the picture. Because his, they haven't released it yet. They're still dusting it off. So then what do you, how do you feel vindicated about anything? Because history has proven me correct once again, because their, J-Ton, it's just extremely stupid. It's just really blasphemous. It was ratting back in the day, is what they, is what it says in Psalm, Peter.
Starting point is 00:01:27 It's none of the Psalms work. I thought, this is a three-part. I have as much quiet knowledge about the Psalms as Russell Brand. That was the best. Izziahua. That's how he pronounced Isaiah. Isaiah.
Starting point is 00:01:43 He ruined that and pronounced Isaiah. I was reading in... Oh, that was the fucking best thing ever. That's a great noise. It's good that your straw is doing that for our audio show. Well, thank you, Pierce. As a matter of fact, when I walked into court the other day, I did want to read a verse.
Starting point is 00:02:00 And it's from Isaiahe. I can't find it. I mean, Surrey League can probably do an hour on him now. It's just phenomenal. Yeah. Absolute phenomenal stuff. This is a three-parter. I thought I knew who it was going to be.
Starting point is 00:02:19 And then now I don't think I do. Silas soul. Oh, man. Was born to Mother Sophia and Father Amasa in Bath, Massachusetts. Now, who did you think it was? You want me to say? Yeah. Sam Altman.
Starting point is 00:02:37 Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he's on the list. He's a good one. God. How do you make Elon Musk seem good? I'm trying to shield myself from as much information as him as possible. But, man, keeps bleeding out.
Starting point is 00:02:55 He is a virus. Yeah. Who would have thought that a man who can't blink? would be problematic. I don't. I just usually think everyone that comes out of Silicon Valley is awesome. Dude, it is absolutely just like the devil's egg. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:09 I mean, they just, it just keeps popping out wet gremlins. It's literally a hell mouth. Yeah. And they just, it's. Yeah. They're just the worst people alive. It is, it is incomprehensible. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:22 What is coming out of there. Happening at the rate that it's happening. Yeah. The way that we've just had no time to say, well, we as a society, discuss the data centers, and we're opposed to it. Instead, they're just like, hey, guess what? There's a new McDonald's. Do you love that they were like, you can't build out green energy.
Starting point is 00:03:45 It just take too long and it's too hard. And then you blink and there's 7,000 dates. It is the exact same as there's no money for health care. By the way, we're going to go into a trillion-dollar war. Okay. Uh, okay. So, Sons and Ancestors came to America, uh,
Starting point is 00:04:05 on the Mayflower. Oh, it's pretty fancy. That's the big one. Like the big boat? Yeah. The, uh, what's the bathroom situation?
Starting point is 00:04:12 We consider it the, oh, you just, uh, shit on each other. Uh, uh, Patriarch, uh,
Starting point is 00:04:20 George Sol sailed to the new world as a teacher slash servant. God, he must have a head full of bullshit. Oh, fuck yeah. He settled. Good thing we avoided Poseidon. on our journey.
Starting point is 00:04:33 He's settled in Southern Maine, which is still part of Massachusetts at that point. Okay. And that is where Silas' father, Amasa was born. Amasa was an intense man whose main physical attribute seemed to be that he was not too tall. So small. So that's what people say about him. Well, back then they'd be nice and say he's not too tall. But for back then, if you're not too tall, you're really fucking short.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Tiny. You're tiny. You're like under five. Yeah. Yeah. Tinder profiles back then didn't even say they wanted tall guys. No, just yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:05 I'll take it. It's what they said. In 1831, he made, is that a thing on dating sites? Isn't they also a tall guy? That's got to be great for every guy in the world who's not tall to just realize that they've already been eliminated. Well, that's one of the thing.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Fuck the personality, right? Well, I listen. Who be it for men to be like, excuse me, you're turning this into a physical thing? But it is, I remember when I was on there, I was like, it'd be like no one under six foot
Starting point is 00:05:32 and be like, all right, look. You get, you meet me at a bar. You're going to like the experience. But that's where I would just come in in roller skates. Yeah, that's, well that, dude, there is a search. There's this guy I see every now and that on Instagram who had, he's like treating his leg lengthening journey like he's beaten cancer. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:05:52 And he's just sort of like he's just like finally learning to walk again. Like with inspirational music like day 42. It's like, dipshit, you just got rods put in your calves. How old is he? He's probably mid-20s. And everyone in the comments is like, you are a weird loser. Oh, my God. And he's like jogging again.
Starting point is 00:06:12 This journey's been quite difficult. Oh, fuck. How old is it? I mean, how tall is he now? Well, now he's like six something. And he was before that. He was a tiny. He was a little guy?
Starting point is 00:06:23 Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. If he was like 5-8 or 5-9, which is really fine. He got bumble humbled into being like, all right. I got to go to a doctor and have rods put in my legs. I see little tiny people together. Like, I'll see a guy that's 5-5 and his girlfriend's 5-5 foot. I'm like, perfect. You guys are made for each other.
Starting point is 00:06:39 There's a lot of tiny ladies out there. I love a short guy with a tall woman. That's the best. I like that a lot. I just like, it's just, God put you right there for a reason. Just pull them to the side. Let's party. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:06:53 What are you doing right now? I'm just saying, you know what I mean? You're right there. It's perfect. How short is the guy? Tiny. Puss level. What would be so funny of a woman put up a titter profile and just seeking?
Starting point is 00:07:09 Only short kicks. Puss level only. That's more for Hinge. I'm 6'4. Hinge Minge. In 1831, he married Silas' mom, Sophia, and for the next decade, she was basically a baby factory giving birth to seven kids, only four of whom survived past infancy, a rat. That's a pretty good rate.
Starting point is 00:07:29 There's also got to be something to the idea that you're not giving the woman's body any time to recover in between. That's how it should be. Like it's probably not. That's why a lot of them probably die because one pops out and you're just planning again. I mean, wombs are not perennials. I disagree. In my science class, we were taught that wombs are pre. I went to Marine Catholic High School.
Starting point is 00:07:52 But we were taught wombs are perennials. Perennials. I mean, dude. Good bloom this year. I was in a high school where one of the teacher's sister was in my class because there were 15 kids. Just, nope. The first born was William Lloyd-Sole named after the famous abolitionist. Silas was the second-born son.
Starting point is 00:08:14 They would have two daughters. After a short jaunt in Chelsea, the family moved back to Southern Maine and lived in what would today be called a hippie commune. Oh, nice. Hell yeah. The goal of group was to institute an attractive, efficient, and productive system of industry. Great. Love it. That's how every cult starts.
Starting point is 00:08:34 I mean, we've said it before. I think we've been saying it before other people, but it is true. It's always like, we're going to grow our own food and be off grid. Also, I need to fuck that one. Also, all your wives are going to get ass fucked by me. It's good for the planting. Trust me. You want rain or not?
Starting point is 00:08:54 Quote, the day would begin with the women making breakfast, the boys feeding the animals, and the men milking the cows. After breakfast, the men and boys would take care of the crops and reap the hay and straw for the cattle while the women cleaned and tended the gardens. In the evening, after the nightly meal, they were vampires. There would be readings and discussion as well as charades and dramatic tabloo. It's kind of a freestag theater kid game. You can't argue that. Oh, I can argue. But the way that it is now, I mean, no wonder society is what it is.
Starting point is 00:09:32 I mean, they were reading and, like, debating. Yeah, I think there's a huge different. Yeah. I'm watching this guy get his legs lengthened. It's very terrifying to watch, like, how people used to talk in the 60s to now. Like, we're bumbling idiots and comparison. It's getting worse. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Watching idiots speak is, I mean, and again, I'm sure. there's someone in the comments who's like, that's what I do. But it is really remarkable to watch an idiot on a tear. It's amazing. And that's basically social media is just watching morons. No, I mean, Tim Pull is incredible. Well, Tim Pool's great.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Big head of hair under there. Great. Why doesn't he have a neutral full sponsorship? Let's see what happens. I mean, that guy's head is flat as shit. You can do a line off of Tim Pool. Is it really flat? Does you have a flat head?
Starting point is 00:10:16 Yeah, there's a... By the way, normalize ripping Tim Pool's Beanie off in public. Yeah. If you see him, yank it. Has anybody done that? I think someone has. Yeah, that's got to happen. It's really more and more. He probably has a security guy that walks around behind him, so that doesn't happen.
Starting point is 00:10:32 But you could attack from both sides. You've got to do with the buddy. Okay. The community did everything together, sharing the same home, eating at a big communal table, splitting all property equally, like basically every anarcho utopian thing at the time. Sure. It fizzled out.
Starting point is 00:10:53 They all do. And they headed back to Chelsea. So after the experiment failed, the master drove headfirst into ending slavery. Wow. Didn't expect that, did you? No, it's a twist. The abolitionist newspaper,
Starting point is 00:11:07 The Liberator, became the family's second Bible. People, even in the north, were put off by a mass's passion for freeing his fellow human beings from bondage. What's up? Got a good guy. Yeah, it's got a good guy. It is amazing.
Starting point is 00:11:23 The level of pushback we are always going to have over radical change that must happen. Yeah. When you're the guy, when you're the guy who's right and you're loud about it, people can't fucking take it. No. Yeah. And you got it. We have to just keep remembering that that is always the way. Yes.
Starting point is 00:11:41 So, literally. So stop sitting there and just going like, we're getting to it. Yeah. 90% of the people in our society right now will be looked upon as, the slave owners. Right. For so many things. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Well, we won't be around much longer. Well, we'll see. Now, slavery was bad or whatever, but why did he have to be so fanatical is what these people thought.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah. Yeah, the growing resentment filtered down to his kids. Let's vote our way out of this. Yeah, just give it time. Good Lord. First,
Starting point is 00:12:11 you'll be half free. Yeah, right. Children were constantly trying, his children were constantly trying to fight Silas because of his dad's beliefs. So,
Starting point is 00:12:20 not his kids. Kids were always fighting. Because he's being raising that. So he's, he's... Yeah. Empathetic. Yeah, but he's also like, you know, he's the loudmouth kid. He's like, no, slavery is bad.
Starting point is 00:12:31 And they're like, I'll kick your ass. Which is what happened to me. I was, because I'm older. So we had slavery when I was a kid. Are you... We are recording. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Yeah. It's time to come clean. Pretty bad. Pretty bad stuff. And I was against slavery. I would go back to the iPad. dad. So, you know, his dad's beliefs, he's assuming them, and he usually is able to get
Starting point is 00:12:56 out of it on account of his wit's communicability and an uncanny knack to mimic and adapt. So he's a, he's a kind of a performer, but like he knows how to get out of a fight by enlightening the situation. He's got a rapier's wit. Well, I don't know about a rape. I don't know why we're talking about rapists now. that's a very weird thing to say about him, first of all. No, but he's good.
Starting point is 00:13:24 He's got the wit, so he's able to get out of it. He will use his skills to impersonate their Irish brogue. So obviously, these people attacking him are Irish. Right. In fact, he became such a fan of it that he would accidentally fall into randomly for the rest of his life. So he'd accidentally do an icebrook. This is you now. Now we're talking about you.
Starting point is 00:13:43 That 100%. Yeah. Just happens. Just walk around all day and I'll be like, what have I been doing? Yeah, but sometimes. I'm not a bit strange the whole day. Sometimes you turn into Trump, so that's weird. Only during full moons.
Starting point is 00:13:54 Yeah, see. Sure, he might have to do an Irish accent to disarm a neighborhood kid who wanted to knock his block off. But other than that, Silas and his siblings had a pretty ideal adolescence. Okay. Unlike other kids, they didn't have to work in the fields or toil away in the factories. Each summer, they would swim, shoot marbles, flight kites, raid local orchards. And apparently, after got sick from the unripe fruit, which it seems. seems didn't stop them from constantly returning.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Now, read back that list of activities again and tell me that that's just not a better way to live. It is. I mean, it is. Just one more time. Sure. Swim, shoot marbles, flight kites, raid local orchards. It's better.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Even if you're getting sick from raw apples or whatever's happening out there, that's still, that's just, we, at some point, we're going to need to get together and throw the phones into the ocean. We cannot, it has to happen. But there's also, there's also a thing of there's too many people. There's, there's like population has exploded. So, so like I used to, I used to, I'd be sitting home and I'd be like, I want blackberries and I would get on my bike and ride like, not that far away and bring a bull and pick blackberries and come back home and eat them. Yeah. Even without phones, you're not doing that anywhere anymore. What do you mean? Why? because because there's so many people everywhere that the Blackberry, they're all stripped bare.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Well, we need it. They don't exist because they built a house there. Like, it's all like, you know what I made? I agree. It's over. But we could start, if we started there, things might start to go back a little bit. They're never getting rid of the phone. So you need to just accept it and move on.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Get over your phone shit. I'm going to get rid of mine. I am. I'm going to go back to flip phone. Once things are good, I'm going to go back to flip phone. Once things are good? For me personally. What is that?
Starting point is 00:15:45 When is that happening? When I'm fucking living like this in the middle of nowhere, I'm fucking playing marbles, my best friend. Who are your best friends? I've got to find them. A squirrel? I would love to live like snow white. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Just me and seven short kings. Look at my finger. It's getting redder, which is weird. I should probably go to a doctor. Really hurts. What did you do again? That's building a shed in the backyard. All right, keep going.
Starting point is 00:16:16 You're telling me you don't want to be a part of what I'm talking about, your little shed building weirdo. Okay, so two days a week, the ship's down at the dock with unknown molasses, which led to the siblings, leads into one of their favorite activities, quote, licking lasses. History did not record what they lick the lasses off of, possibly their fingers or even the ground during.
Starting point is 00:16:43 My nipples are getting hard. During the winter, they would quietly hitch their sleds to local farmer slays, bombing rides off them until they were found out. Can we just, all right, I'll stop. This is a good time. But let's go back to a time when we were hitching rides on sleighs and I was licking lasses off of lasses.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Every Sunday the family would gather and read the national era, a weekly DC ablish paper. They were probably so excited. Tonight's the night when pop's going to read. I mean, you say that, but then, like I remember,
Starting point is 00:17:15 me and my cousins going down to the gas station in my grandparents' house and we would take the used tires that they'd taken off cars, you know, and then we would roll them into the street to try to hit cars. I'm okay with that. Funny. So it's not.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Beats wordle. Like most papers at the time, the era would run serialized stories, providing a new chapter or two every week. One of these stories changed the soul family's lives. That was Uncle Tom's cabin. Cool boy. Mom Sophia read each installment to her spellbound kin,
Starting point is 00:17:58 and Silas's sister remembered it vividly. Quote, we children used to roll on the floor and laugh at Topsy, and we would bawl at the sorrowful places. And I can see Father Yet striding up and down the room, his hands clenched in fury, as he seemed to hear the very wine of the slave lash, and the groans of Uncle Tom. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:18:19 That's crazy. That is so, don't you be sitting there, hearing it read, and be like, those bastards! Yeah. Dad, sit down.
Starting point is 00:18:28 Dad, come on. How, it's the 20th time we've heard it, Dad. I get some every time. Well, and they used to do stories like two chapters a week, but then books brought about binging.
Starting point is 00:18:38 And all of a sudden, you're binging chapters. You don't have to wait each week. It just kind of ruined it. I agree. And then everyone's carrying around books and they're not really. Oh, yeah, nobody cares anymore and everyone's read everything.
Starting point is 00:18:49 They're not even paying attention. The paper was passed around the family for repeat readings until it was worn out and torn to shreds. So Massa began touring the state, giving abolitionist lectures, and further integrating himself into the temperance movement. Then Kansas happened. In 1820, Congress had prohibited slave states above latitude 3630, with the exception of Missouri, which is why. it is known as the Missouri compromise. Every new free state admitted to
Starting point is 00:19:22 the union was then matched with a new slave state and vice versa, because shoving a massive inferno into a tiny box will definitely hold it and would never lead to it exploding into a devastating war or anything. Right. Yeah. Feels like the author
Starting point is 00:19:37 has put a little bit of his own thoughts about it. No, but that is, yeah, obviously. I mean, again, we were, this, these versions of compromise are, they never work. They never work. They never were. I mean, and you said to me, I thought about this all the time, how after the Civil War,
Starting point is 00:20:01 those traitors should have just been fucking jailed and killed. I mean, that was how it should have been. I mean, honestly, I would have turned them into slaves for 20 years and gone. I mean, it's treason. Did you like it? Yeah. But like, but like, yeah, they should have had all of their. landstrip from them. Everything.
Starting point is 00:20:17 The punishment should have been beyond. All power taken. Yes. You are not, you're no longer a part of regular society. Right. We're not reacclimating you and you can have your little private meetings with your flags. Yeah. Instead of doing, you know, a big compromise and allowing them back into power. Anywho. But you got to be president.
Starting point is 00:20:37 No. So there was a problem. And that problem was Nebraska was being organized into a state. and there's no counterbalance for that one, right? So we've had counterbalances up until now. And what is Nebraska? Nebraska is abolitionist or non-ablishanist? It is abolitionist.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Well, they need one of each. If they're going to bring in Nebraska, they need an everyone. Counterbalance. It needs a racist sister. Yeah. That's correct. Congress put another territory, Kansas into the mix, but Kansas is also above the Missouri compromise.
Starting point is 00:21:14 line and the southerners ran through a bill that would grant popular sovereignty the ability for the citizens of the state to vote on whether they wanted to keep human beings as property. Tough choice. Yeah, there's a lot of, there's pros and cons. The first elections had the pro-slavery set flood the ballot boxes illegally voting multiple times per person. quote of 2,9005 registered voters in the territory, 5,000 voted for the pro-slavery candidates. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:49 So that's more. For those who are not good at mind. High results. That is a great turnout. Great turnout. Say what you will about the... That is democracy. That's a huge turnout.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Yeah. And get used to this idea of how are these incalculable numbers happening? the abolitionist set in new england had one move they shipped their most zealous evangelists to kansas to try and organize the anti-slavery citizenry and this included silas sol and his family okay amasa left with his eldest son william promising to call for the rest of them once they had set up a homestead meanwhile 15 year old silas was getting even more emashed in the boston irish community he loves so dearly which you did you've done sure Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:41 You know, you fucking have a Guinness, do an Irish car bong, listen to drop kick Murphy's, yeah, to play the harp, punch a stranger in the head. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just go, dude, seriously? Yeah, a lot of that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:56 He was working at a local factory. He was learning what life is like for industrial working class immigrants. A few months later, Silas, mom, Sophia, plus sisters Emily and Annie headed to Kansas. Their steamer struggled up the Mississippi getting stuck. on a sandbar for 36 hours due the river's low level. It took them weeks to arrive so long that one woman on board, Miss Wentworth gave birth. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:23:23 That's fucked up. That's wild. And not pregnant, which is the crazy thing. What? Yes. That seems crazy. It's really weird. Oh.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Whoops! Which one are you heard? I'm the one who's just given the birth. I wasn't sure. Oh, look at it. I thought you might be the baby. I had no idea. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:40 I've never even had sex. Well, we're not really buying that. I haven't. Yes. Well, okay. Whoa. We know you keep saying that. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Yeah. A virgin giving birth? Well, what is this the Bible? Again. Oh. We think. I can't believe it. Have you heard of the term sailor's delight?
Starting point is 00:23:58 I have not. We've been saying that might be you. I don't even understand. Well. Oh, I guess it doesn't have a dad because I would have needed to have a fornication, which I'd never. done, no. You did many times. Everybody's talking about it.
Starting point is 00:24:14 I never held. Everybody. Not in the front one. Yeah, no, that's no. That was the whole thing when you said. Well, they all pulled out. No, that's not what we're hearing. I never even let them in.
Starting point is 00:24:26 You called it cream pie sundaes. Well, but I didn't understand. You certainly did. Oh. Maybe that popped out of someone else. They were lined up. Oh. then I just for chats.
Starting point is 00:24:43 We just talked. Absolutely not. Yeah. We can hear it. But I was emphatic. Yes. I was going, oh my God, that's offense. Oh my God, I don't agree.
Starting point is 00:24:54 I'm coming up with a new point. I'm coming up with a new point. What? Oh, fuck me. That's tough to fathom. Oh, Silas. ever the precocious one. Finish inside!
Starting point is 00:25:13 Where? I said about your pudding. Don't take it out to the deck. I start reading again because I think you'll think up a couple more. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. I'll stop. You're right. That's a good way to say.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Silas, the precocious one, straight up told the family that their baby was going to be named David Tatum Wentworth. He even recorded it in a Bible. luckily for everyone, the Wentworths were pretty low key, and they went along with it. Wait, what? He was like, this is what it's going to be called. Yeah. And everyone was like, okay.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And they went with it. Okay. Once in Kansas, the Souls moved in with another family in a cabin, so 11 of them sleeping in a cabin. Like, like, like, insects. Like you're, like you're a. Yeah. And I mean, what are we? We're probably talking about like a two-bedroom cabin or something?
Starting point is 00:26:10 This is prairie dog it at this point. With only a net, only a blanket hung like a curtain to separate the two families. They had two holes for stove pipes on each side of the house and had to move from side to side depending on the wind so they wouldn't asphyxiate on the smoke. So it's a good situation. That's a good situation. When it would snow at night, the kids would often wake up covered in frost. Oh. That's not a house.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Frosty kids. That's not a house. house. No, I mean, barely, but time to check the insulation. The family didn't just have elements to fear. There were also the border ruffians. Border ruffians were pro-slavery,
Starting point is 00:26:54 Missourians who would cross into Kansas intimidating people committing murder, lynchings, and burning down the homes of anti-slavery families. Yeah, pricks. Jay-Sixers. Yeah, J-6ers. Yeah, J-6ers. Proud boys, Oathkeepers. Yeah, yeah. They're going to get a huge payout. Yeah, they've been wronged. They certainly have.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Eventually, the freestater families would fire back, literally burning down the other guy's houses and retaliation. The freestators had a new leader, the recently arrived man with the face carved out of granted, John Brown. My man. One of America's, maybe America's greatest white. Greatest white. Greatest white. There's a three-parter on them, episodes 438 through 440, if you want to hear about the greatest white ever in America. suffice to say he's a real action hero.
Starting point is 00:27:41 He fought bloody battles to stop the violent spread of slavery and his daring raid on Harbors Ferry and attempted slavery rebellion cost in his life, but he kicked it all off. That's what led to the Civil War because the Southerners freaked the fuck out. His last words predicted the Civil War, quote, I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. So, Border Ruffians evaded Lawrence, burned down houses, destroyed the free-steading. State Hotel and demolished two abolitionist newspapers, one of which was where Silas's brother William worked. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:17 The two brothers packed up some gear and joined the militia in their march to town. Silas likely may have met John Brown that night, but what we know for sure is that seeing the violence and damage done by the pro-slavery Missourians caused Silas to harden his abolitionist views. Good. that summer each of the women and the family became very ill so much that the family chose to move them back to Maine so now it's just the it's just the boys they're blaming Kansas on this one yeah wouldn't you yeah um and the boys are getting deeper and deeper into the fight for a free Kansas great datamassa even became a republican delegate to the elevenworth constitutional convention and silas joined captain samuel walker's militia where he likely was a part of a successful campaign to capture a pro-slavery fort and the pro-slavery army colonel who ran the place.
Starting point is 00:29:16 This was also in the Soul family began participating in the extremely risky and very illegal underground railroad. Wow. Fucking gross. Wait, what? Yeah. Well, I think it's important
Starting point is 00:29:31 for the algorithm when we clip these that one of us that we argue. So I'm going to bite the bullet. And I'll be, I'll do it. You'll be the Rogan? I'll be. Doing what we call Going Rogan. Uh, going Rogan.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Uh, we did a, uh, we did, how many parts have we done that? Oh, man. We're watching a Rogan episode for the Patreon. We're watching Rogan Theo Vaughn for our Patreon. It's got to be, it's, the episode is like two and a half hours. Oh, and we are going through it like game film. Piece by piece, but the, we are John Grudening the Rogan episode. But our press and our editor was just like,
Starting point is 00:30:09 you guys want me to put any of this up on like the socials? Because and we were thinking about it. There's like there isn't really a point where I don't yell, you're an idiot. Dave, really, and we're not done with it. We still, I think we're halfway through it. Yeah. It is, it's a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:27 It's a lot. It's a lot to jump in and really absorb all of it. Yeah. Because you're so used to just seeing the clips of it and those that frustrate you. But the clips don't do it justice. I mean, this is a prolonged. difficult watch with it's it you just it's like when you watch
Starting point is 00:30:45 a horror film and you just want to say he's behind you it's that level of stupidity where you are sitting there and and also because it's not even it's ignorance combined with affluence which is this new popery of bullshit but it's it's a there's also because we live in different realities
Starting point is 00:31:07 there is a extreme confidence in being wrong. Yeah. That they, but they just are truly believed they're right. You just listen to it. You're like, everything you're saying is not real.
Starting point is 00:31:16 And then add in the attempts of comedy. I mean, we are, this is a full on. The comedy is so bad. It is, uh, it is,
Starting point is 00:31:24 it really is like watching a White House UFC fight. Yeah. From ignorance to facts. It's all farts and buttholes. It's just wild to watch. Yeah. It's, uh, it truly is,
Starting point is 00:31:35 by the way, it's like watching two wizards with no power fight. Yeah. Yeah. And you can't check out my new podcast, which Gareth has not agreed to be on yet, but it is called Farts and Buttholes. Yep. I'll do it. Well, Theo is going to do the first ten. Man, I'll tell you, we had a kid in my town who had three buttholes. And he was black. Wait, Theo, what?
Starting point is 00:31:57 It's important. You see the clip of him talking about when he was with Mike Tyson? You've seen that clip, right? Yeah. I think we showed it. Oh, we did. We did show it. Yeah. It's really something. Okay. Yeah, I'll go on record. You're not going to get me to riff the N-word. How's that?
Starting point is 00:32:15 You're also not going to get me when I'm 18 to hang out with David Duke. It was one of my best friends. Well, yeah, not hang out with, but I would gladly lift weights with the guy. He's always had an incredible body underneath that robe. If you're, hey, if you're not on Patreon, you're missing fantastic stuff like... Luke did a bunch of rearranging of stuff. So he took stuff where I knew where it was, and then he put it where he thought it should be. The van is chaos.
Starting point is 00:32:43 And Luke, he was just rassling around there like a goddamn... Good hour and a half, yeah. I would argue even longer. You're just hearing bags get folded, things are clinking. And then you look back and you go, oh, that actually looks pretty good. Well, there's a cost. Yeah, we're like, where is everything? He knows where it is.
Starting point is 00:32:58 But you have to go through him. You'd be like, where's that bag that I had stuff in it'll go. I'm like a librarian in many ways. It's a dewey decimal system. Okay, where's the blue bag? There's a blue bag right here. Oh, that's my, that's not the blue bag I had. Okay.
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Starting point is 00:33:33 Oh, yeah. I usually, I notice it. I'm like, yeah, of course, I had to scam, but one night I was like, look at all these hats I can get for 10 bucks or something. That is, it was like. Quite endearing. A bunch of hats for like no money. Two dollars a hat.
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Starting point is 00:39:32 Promocode the Dull-P. that's nitcherville.com promo code the dollop. Okay, fugitive slave laws prohibited anyone from helping an escape slave and, in fact, demanded that they return them to their masters. But the sole family wasn't afraid of the punishment in which, in fact, they welcomed anyone trying to stop them. Like normal railroads, there were stations which consisted of a loose confederation of houses, barn shops, and other buildings where the escape slave could find a warm meal and a safe bed. there was no fixed pathway. Instead, each station owner would direct the escapee to the next safest place in a gradual northward trajectory until the person would get to Canada where slavery was eradicated decades earlier. Decades earlier.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Decades. You know, there are, I think that really, at the end of the day, if you are talking about what, you know, you know, know, equality does mean, it does mean the elimination of living in fear of being who you are. Yeah. And this, you cannot ever have empathy deep enough to imagine what it's like to have to scurry underground to try to bounce around for meals to try to just be able to be out in public. And a modern day version of that is Tom Steyer doing a video with a trans athlete, a teenage student, which when's last time you saw an actual Democrat politician do that? Well, I'm actually talking about how the Democrats live in fear of actually expressing their true beliefs because they are bought so much. So they can't.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Okay, so They're Oh, right, Canada. So, depending on how hard the slave owner was searching, the slaves would hide out at the souls, sometimes for up to a month. And neighboring comrades would use lanterns to signal when it was safe to come out.
Starting point is 00:41:44 And while Silas and his family weren't the most... Y'all were flashing your lanterns a lot. We were... Are y'all trying to tell each other some? We just walked. could across the land. Yeah, but your lanterns kept a flashing. Yeah, but that's how we do it out here.
Starting point is 00:41:59 That's a, that's a Keynes thing. But I'm from here. Y'all are main folk. Is that your accent? That's what we're talk. I'm a crock of the old shit. Okay. Now, you better not be signaling any bullshit to each other.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Nope, just, uh, just... Because your lantern went on off, on off, on off, on off. Yeah. On off. On off, on, off, on off. Yeah. And then on. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:27 It's a flicker. I can't believe that you all having that much difficult light in your leg. It's hard. It goes on and off and on and off and on and off and on and off and on and off and on and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and off and on. Well, I'll tell you, I'm doing lantern scoping. And if I see any more weird stuff, I'm going to come in that cabin of yours. Yeah. Again, I have to say this again, Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:42:50 you're pro slavery or your, you're... I'm pro. You are pro. Yes, and I'm over here accusing y'all are having a secret lantern language. Okay. And I don't care for it. Because in my Kansas...
Starting point is 00:43:05 Now, you don't own slaves, right? I lease to buy. Okay. Okay. I got bank credit. Okay. How's that going, by the way? Bad.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Some repossessions and... So you don't actually have any right now. No, but I do believe. It's, we're the, look at me. Yeah, it's not great. You're telling me we're not the most superior race gods ever put on us. I am absolutely. I mean, look at me.
Starting point is 00:43:30 I am absolutely saying that. I look like I was born in a vat of tobacco and ale. Yeah, that's, yeah, see that. We are the chosen people. No, you're not. Yeah. You can't even stay on the sun for an hour. Well, that's what the wrong time or day for me.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Okay. Okay. I forgot why I came over here. We all did. All right. See ya. Bye-bye. So their home is a well-used stop on the underground.
Starting point is 00:44:05 Now, 20 years old, Silas' first recorded mission with the abolitionist was as part of a posse of 50 men who traveled to Missouri to liberate a famed freestater named Dr. Doi, who was being held. By the way, I big, well. Doye. I use his name a lot when someone says something. obvious. Yeah. Like if you were to just be like, oh, it's going to rain this week and be like, all those clouds,
Starting point is 00:44:31 paging Dr. Doi, Dr. Doi, there's an obvious point to be made. Go ahead. They got it. He was being held at a prison for helping slaves escape their masters. And once they crossed the river, they ran into a newspaper man who fought for the cause. And he arranged boats for them to escape back across the river that night. And the leader of the group needed some personal and charismatic. someone personally charismatic to enter the jail,
Starting point is 00:44:59 scout the joint for a week, but that was a really, that was a... Is that a plane? Yeah, it's got to be a jet. I mean, we are kind of near Van der Berg Air Force Base. But that is weird. The feeling I get when I see enormous military vehicles going past me on the freeway.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Always upsetting. Or just like a four-propellered future district 13 chopper. Yeah. And you're just like, cool. Good. Glad that's close. That'll go fine.
Starting point is 00:45:32 That's sure that's, I'm sure that's for a ram. Well, the sound just keeps happening. So I don't know what's going on with that plane. But, um, uh, so, so they want someone personal on charismatic to go and they go and they'll scout,
Starting point is 00:45:47 scout it for weak points and let Dr. doy, doy, they're going to come to, to come to get them. So, um, Silas is the,
Starting point is 00:45:55 the most charismatic and likable dude. So he pretends to have a message from Dr. Doey's wife and enters the jail with the type of swagger that young men, too young to know what kind of danger they're going to have, you know. It worked. The guard was immediately won over by the dashing young man and began a warm back and forth. And the guard allowed Silas to visit Dr. Doi and in a moment when Silas got the guard to turn his back. You take as much time as you like, Silas. You have beautiful eyes
Starting point is 00:46:27 And an even more beautiful internal personality As do you, sir I just really am quite taken with you So you take as much time as you need To talk to Dr. Doyle Who deserves to be in jail Yes But you are just so perfect
Starting point is 00:46:45 Thank you If you were a flower I would press you in one of my books Okay, that's awkward After you talk with him I would love to go for a friend walk. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Okay, well, maybe. If that maybe accommodates your schedule. Wow, it seems like you have to stay here in the... What I'm doing. Maybe you wait for me to get off and then we could go on that walk
Starting point is 00:47:05 and maybe toss stones at a tree. Okay. Something of that nature. That giggle? Have a giggle looking for a chuckle of some kind. Yeah. But you are...
Starting point is 00:47:19 Maybe gently touch... Perfect in every way. Maybe gently touch your face. Just rub on it. You are a perfect. person. Thank you. And I would love to.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Just a couple of fellas walking. Have a walk. Giggling. A giggle. Laughing. And if we find a pond, we can go swimming it for a little bit. Sure. But enjoy your chat.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Yeah. And to be continued. Okay. You're staring at me. Something. Well, I did you. You're fucking great. You are a great guy.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Take your time. Go have fun. Thank you. I just met the greatest guy So when the guard Turns his back Silas slipped Dr. Doi and note Quotey then excused himself and thanked the jailer
Starting point is 00:48:10 For his hospitality And thank you And head out the door Come back to you Thank you Thank you. I mean you have a This place has been a lot better since you came in It was so nice of you
Starting point is 00:48:20 So nice of you Have a good day Okay hang in there I'm going to miss you. I'm going to miss you. I will see you again. I like you a lot. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:33 You're great. Okay. And I'm going to miss you. All right. All right. We're going. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Who needs you? All right. Whoa. When Dr. Dori opened the note, it said, be ready at midnight. Now, Silas was successful. Why would your wife say that? I was over your shoulder. I'm all.
Starting point is 00:49:01 gets home. Oh, okay. Silas is successful in his part of the mission, but he had bad news. The jail was too fortified for the men to just storm it. So they cracked the new plan. They would disguise themselves as civilians who had captured a horse thief and entered the jail as conquering heroes.
Starting point is 00:49:17 That is so great. They're like Trojan horse passing. Yes. The guards would have no clue what their actual intentions were. They even moved the plan up an hour hoping that an 11 p.m. Rescue escape, sorry, would allow them to mix in with the theater crowds
Starting point is 00:49:33 that were letting out at that hour. Great. Can you imagine those shows? Ah. I just always, we've heard of some of them, just the dumbest plays ever. So dumb. Yeah, just like, the killies and the heel.
Starting point is 00:49:47 And there's a guy who just lectured about teeth. Yeah. I tell you, they're magical. That was a hell of the show. At 1045, Silas was sent ahead to scout for the night watchman. A massive thunderstorm rolled in a couple hours earlier, and according to Dr. Doye, it felt like, quote, it shook the earth. The weather was, you know, a boon of the men. The heavy cloud cover and fog made for bad visibility, so, you know, makes it easier.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Silas crouched in a hiding spot and witnessed the night watchmen leave the jail and sit under the porch of the courthouse to protect himself in the rain. This was their moment. Silas was sent to cover the watchman and detain him if necessary. the rest of the men snuck to the jail. Two of them approached pretending to be a horse thief and a captor. A fake vigilante spun a yarn about a dispute between neighbors that led to his thievery and the jailer let him in. Once inside, the jailer led them directly to the cell where Dr. Doy was staying. The faux thief refused to go into a cell with any blacks,
Starting point is 00:50:52 which convinced the jailer he was a legit Missouri racist. Well, I was for a moment worried about your old thing. But then you had a dividing line that has inherited our DNA. There's no way you can fake that. Well, look, if you're an actor, you've done your homo. The jailer actually walked into the cell first to show the would-be criminal that there were no black people in there. They were all- And have a look around.
Starting point is 00:51:17 Take the keys and have a look, see-pooh. You couldn't see that from outside of the cell. Dr. Doyle, why don't you exit so I can fully show the men that there is not a black-indexam. out of here. He said the blacks were all downstairs. The men pulled out revolvers and told the jailers he'd been had. Wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:51:40 But you're racist. But what about that horse thief? The two men gathered a weary and damaged Dr. Doey and rushed him out of the jail. And before they left, they told the jailer that a posse of 50 Jayhawks were outside and would tear him to pieces if he didn't stay put for half an hour. Also, clearly not true. Of course. You mean the actual?
Starting point is 00:51:59 birds. No, you idiot. Kansas Jayhawks. Right, the birds. The basketball team. They're outside? Rock and chokin' jayhawking? The jailer pleaded
Starting point is 00:52:11 with the men. He didn't want to be hanged for aiding and abetting the escape. The men took pity on him and made sure to tell everyone on the way back about how much of a fight the jailer put up. Also, who gives a fuck? I don't know. It's just a guy with a job. Guy trying to make a buck. Sure.
Starting point is 00:52:27 By jailing. by, by, by bragging about, the first force for the blacks. Dr. Doy's muscles had atrophied in his long detention, and he repeatedly fell in the mud
Starting point is 00:52:39 on the way out to the point where he basically had to be carried to where Silas and the others waited. Once they ran into, they blended in perfectly with the exiting theater gutters because the troop was, quote, spouting Shakespeare and singing songs,
Starting point is 00:52:52 probably led by Silas, the noted ham. Okay. So fake. So it sounds like you a little bit. I identify a lot with this guy Making up fake Shakespeare songs Just as they approach their boat
Starting point is 00:53:07 Back Boats back to the other side of the river Two cops spotted them Luckily they were completely unaware That Dr. Doyle was an escaped fugitive So the cops just used their lanterns To help the men find their boats Now wait a minute
Starting point is 00:53:18 Y'all are having some trouble Getting to the boat Yes Let me help you Oh thank you sir Now you're just singing some Shakespeare songs Yeah we were That is a lovely tomb.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Oh, thank you. All right. Everything seems fine. Mm-hmm. Wait a minute. What? You dropped your handkerchief. Oh, thank you, sir.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Yeah, go ahead. Doesn't me blow my nose. Go away. Unfortunately, one of the boats had a leak and was filling with water, but this was nothing that a group of men with big hats couldn't fix. They used their hats to scoop up all the water and soon the party. Hats were magic. Back in Kansas. Yes.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Because the hat can do anything. The level of hat. There's a lot of hat. There's a lot of hat help going on. So they just were, hats were enough to scoop out a leaky boat. Yes. Okay. I mean, they were big fucking hats.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Yeah. It's a hat's a tool. Sure. Though they were followed the next morning by some border ruffians, Silas's party was 11 deep and well armed, and the smaller group of ruffians didn't attempt to stop them. Once they arrived back to the safety of Lawrence, the men were shocked and delighted to see the strides leaned with well-wishers, cheering them on because they heard of the daring rescue in the paper.
Starting point is 00:54:39 The 10 Jayhawks began to be known as the Immortal 10 in honor of their service to the Free State faction of Kansas. Now, across the country at this time, John Brown was busy murdering slave owners after his botched raid on Harper's Ferry. It's hard to, I mean, that's a great story, but then you cut to the goat and you're like, I mean. Yeah, doing a little bit better over there. Way to go. Yeah. he and two of the surviving men were languishing in prison and it was time for the immortal tent to ride again
Starting point is 00:55:06 but just four of them including Silas one problem John Brown did not want to be rescued they were the four of the ten were going to rescue John Brown oh wow oh sweet baby Dave listen you know how news is we're basically a news show and it's overwhelming but this is different news is nonstop it's it's coming at you all the time You know it's like living in this day and age.
Starting point is 00:55:31 I do. I live here. One hour you're talking about one thing, the next hour. You've completely forgotten about that thing because your brain cannot catch up. You know, we need, Gareth? Say it. A podcast. Yes. That is not panic-inducing.
Starting point is 00:55:44 It slows things down. Yes. I'm talking about stateside with Kai and- Carter. That's exactly what I was going to say. It's a Guardian podcast. Stateside with Kai and Carter airs three times per week because there's always something to discuss. Kai and Carter get access to the...
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Starting point is 00:56:35 State Side with Kai and Carter But he doesn't want to be rescued He believed that being a martyr would help the cause more than escaping He's right Kind of feel like he put up enough numbers to be He could have freaked the country the fuck out if he had escape though Like people they would have lost their minds Because at the end of the day they are cowards
Starting point is 00:56:54 It's like they are. Well, if we, and again, it's like, it's weird to deify the white guy in the slavery story. But it is like, if we had John Brown Day, I mean, Jesus Christ, you know what I mean? Some acknowledgement of the sacrifice of someone in a time where it was extremely unpopular to do something like that. But instead, we're like, Christopher Columbus Day makes sense. That's a hero. Um, so two of John Brown's men didn't share a sentiment and they wanted to live. John Brown was hung and afterwards many additional security personnel left,
Starting point is 00:57:33 which meant an escape plot would be easier to achieve. So Silas entered Harper's Ferry and immediately went into disguise, quote, pulling out his finest Irish brogue, he gallivanted around town, carrying on, probably singing loud. This is literally, I'm just like, I would just murder this part. I would just, I need to be him. Just the idea that I'm just, like, I show up to just, like, try to, like, use my accents for good. And sing.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Yeah. What is it? What's your plan? Stick with me. Quen-we-Rish eyes are spoiling. A day a dime away. And he's everyone doing. And he is also appearing quite drunk.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Well, this is a part of it, like, la. We've been a... This is a part of it. play my enjoy life. This is literally all the things you do on this show. Every time. Every episode. If he has a trump, I am going to walk out. Silas purposefully irished himself up so much that he got arrested and thrown in jail to sober up. Is that what he was going for? Oh, he of course, effortlessly charmed the jailer with his wit and singing ability so much so that silence got to run free of the place and was even allowed to secret. visit John Brown's men without guards present.
Starting point is 00:58:57 When he told them of the plan, they begged him not to go through. What is the plan exactly? I don't know. I don't know. Break him out. We don't know exactly what. But to break him out. Right.
Starting point is 00:59:06 And they're like, we don't want to get broken out. Jesus broke. No, they are leaving. I mean, John Brown doesn't, but the other guys do. Okay, they are. Okay. Sure, a bunch of soldiers had left when John Brown was hanged, but there were still militia and a bunch of other troops around.
Starting point is 00:59:19 And the jailer was being nice to him. So they were like, wow, this guy's. Right. The next morning, Silas put on another great performance in front of the judge and was let go with a slap on the wrist. Silas and his partners hurried back to HQ where they delivered the news. There would be no rescue. John Brown's men were killed shortly thereafter.
Starting point is 00:59:39 It probably would have failed. Sure. Waited too long. But it would have scared the Souters even more. Because they were freaked the fuck out by John Brown. Yeah. Already on the East Coast, Silas took a jaunt back. to New England and surrounded himself with friends, loved ones, and old school abolitionists.
Starting point is 01:00:00 He was finally away from violence for even a short moment and enjoyed his time back home. Here, Silas met the pride and joy of the local community where he was staying, poet Walt Whitman. Quote, it is not known how chummy the two men got, but it was enough that Silas later felt comfortable, sending Whitman several letters and got at minimum one response from the poet. Doesn't sound like they were super tight. Well, what? Walt, is their question of his, was he gay? I can't remember.
Starting point is 01:00:35 I don't know. I can't remember. I feel like he might have been. Anyway, after a nice hiatus, Silas returned to Kansas, taking a boat to New York and then to Philly. While on the ship, he befriended a group of immigrants who spoke beautiful Dutch, giving him the ability to practice a new accent for a new audience. Come on.
Starting point is 01:00:56 This is you. This motherfucker's my guy. I mean, you're basically like a... Careful. A mockingbird. Thank you. That is nice. By the way, I hate mockingbirds.
Starting point is 01:01:10 I almost do. The worst bird alive. I'll tell you what, though. But you get... Yeah, those are in my comments. The mocking bird is like having an improv guy live outside your bedroom. Look, I'll admit, it's not great. it's not easy i'll admit it because you know people people who don't live near mockingbirds don't know
Starting point is 01:01:29 they scream all night to either either scare off other mockingbird uh or or to attract a mockingbird lady but they scream through the night and they mock all the other birds and it is horrible but horrible but admit when it comes to entertainment it's good you're right off mic it might be a nightmare for you. But in these little sessions, it's a good thing to have, even though that one guy said in the comments that he would just rather to hear the show without me.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Well, when I wrote that, I was in just a dark place. When I wrote that, I was in a dark place. You're an idiot. So, he slogged across all of Pennsylvania exhausted, but had his spirits
Starting point is 01:02:20 lifted by some women who had some get-up to them. Once in Pittsburgh, he used his accent powers to pose as a wealthy coal merchant and got the royal treatment. God damn it. I want this so bad. If I could use this skill to try to remove slavery, yeah. Can you imagine?
Starting point is 01:02:39 Trying to free people just by walking from town to town just like, how are you? My name's Phineas O. Gallaghan. You know I'm here on a department business. That's not who I am at all. I'm here on a pro-ab abolitionist engagement. Well, hello there, Jailer. I've had a few pups myself, but I thought I'd come in today
Starting point is 01:03:00 to have a bit of a shot. Do you mind if I talk to these jailed men over here in private? I think I could impart a lesson or two. Fellas, we move at midnight. At midnight, we move. I mean, we should probably start a go-fund me to make this happen
Starting point is 01:03:12 where you get transported back in time. Oh, my God. He made it back to Kansas just in time to catch his family leaving. Gold had been discovered up in the Rocky Mountains, and the sole family was thrown on their hat in the mining ring and heading to Colorado. Saw us caught up with them and entertained them with stories and gossip from back east.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Colorado was wild and unsettled. Quote, it was a true frontier with the violence, claim jumping, and vice that came with Western boom towns. They settled in what one member of the family party described as, quote, one of the dirtiest and most cluttered up cabins in the mountains. Great. That's a great. Beautiful.
Starting point is 01:03:50 I'm out. It's like verbo. I'm out. What? have a nice place to sleep and hang out. I don't have a decent home without other people in it. You can't fight your cause unless you have a comfy little bit. 100%.
Starting point is 01:04:02 Yeah. I need a comfy bed. Dave one time was on the road and he smelled, he didn't sleep well and he smelled his pillow and he said it smelled like cigarettes. Just one of the worst things I've ever heard about. I never, never slept again that night. Then the family received an emotional wall up.
Starting point is 01:04:20 Amasa had died only months before Kansas was to become a free state. The Lawrence Republican, the Lawrence Republican, which is a paper, called him an apostle of liberty, an enthusiast for what seemed right, for what he deemed the right. They further added, he dealt justly,
Starting point is 01:04:37 love mercy, and walked humbly. The gold rush had already come and gone by the time this whole party got there. So the group had to get other jobs. This is... Fucking... Yeah. Crypto.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Yeah. One worked buying, hauling hay another tried his hand at blacksmithing but many headed back to lawrence as for silas he stayed he liked the little community he ended up on a jury where they found a man guilty for murder and sentenced him to quote have half of his head shaved receive 50 lashes on his bare back pay the court costs and leave the mountains or be hung it's a super weird part of that just like severe corporal punishment And then shape half his head.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Like, hey, guys, I'll figure that part out pretty quick after the lashings. I know, the lashing, like, you could die from 50 lashes. 50 lashes and they're like, and you're going to have a bad haircut. Plus, the court deems you shall have a strange hand do. And you're paying for the court. We will drown you and give you a super bad tramp stamp. I mentioned you're paying for this, right? There we are.
Starting point is 01:05:53 The electric chair and a mullet. Like that, ma'all? Silas also frequented the burgeoning theater scene up in the mountains, but found that the entertainment was not as highbrow and clean as it was back in Lawrence. Kill Tony. Over in D.C., things were moving fast. Abraham Lincoln's election led to the southern states seceding. Scirmishes between unionists and Confederates were starting up in northern strongholds,
Starting point is 01:06:25 like Denver, Silas rode home seeking the possibility of lieutenant's commission in the Home Guard. He also mentioned that the stress or maybe the fun of Frontier Rough Living made him pick up both smoking cigars and chewing tobacco. Both's a choice. That is, people are going to think you're Irish with those teeth. I mean, those are some bad teeth. That's a couple bad ones.
Starting point is 01:06:51 That's the nightmare teeth scenario. What else could you do that's worse than that? That's it. Yeah. So the war moved west as Confederate troops from Texas invaded New Mexico and took over two of their major forts. And they turned northward towards Colorado and the unionist scramble to form an army. One of their leaders was a Methodist missionary named John Chivington. He preached throughout Kansas and became so anti-slavery that the Missourians threatened to tar and feather him if he ever tried to preach there. Legend has it. Freedom of preach. Freedom of preach. Legend hasn't that Chimington showed up that very Sunday slapped two guns down on the
Starting point is 01:07:34 pulpit and announced in his booming voice that, quote, by the grace of God and these two revolvers, I'm going to preach here today. Hell yes. From then on, he was referred to as the fighting. A preacher. Fighting person. Parsons, sorry, fighting person. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:07:52 better. Still. Okay, so Scyl. Preacher better. Yeah, Soutot Scott commissioned as a lieutenant in the infantry and headed to Camp Weld, which a quote had been built to provide training facilities and more importantly to isolate the new regiment from the populace after several criminal bouts of theft, drunkenness, and other offenses by still idle troops. Okay, so that's the end of part one.
Starting point is 01:08:17 He is joined up with the Union Army. I don't understand. Again, you can never really process this idea that this country, half of it, fought a war to have slaves. Yeah, it's really insane. I mean, at some point, in order to actually become a civilization again, you're just, they won't even let you take down these fucking statues of these people without a riot. I mean, it's a fundamental problem. and Yeah, they've never
Starting point is 01:08:55 And instead they're just like It's a coded little thing now Yeah Like we know You go on tour You see these Confederate flags hanging And you're like Yeah
Starting point is 01:09:04 No Fuck off No Yeah Yeah It's just like Even if you find it to be a symbol Of something else
Starting point is 01:09:11 Just recognize how we're all taking it And it's a pass Yeah Um Sorry This was written by Josh Androsky sources side of the soul a short eventful life of moral courage by tom bensing bensing the rocky mountain is the commonwealth the black hawk daily miner

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