The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 743 - Alexander Hamilton - Part Four

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

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Starting point is 00:01:10 An American History podcast, or each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to Dexter. Nope. It's not going to work two weeks in a row. Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Well, you do, though, because this is part four of four. I still, I don't remember. Alexander Hamilton.
Starting point is 00:01:33 Who? He, there was a tap dance show about him. By the way, part three was so long, it felt like Alexander Hamilton wrote it. I'm so sorry. I was not necessary. So sorry. So sorry. 1798.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Did you do that? 1798. Alex and Hamilton, Alex Alexe, as we call him. Alexis. was controlling President John Adams' cabinet. Yeah. Because they all love them. Yeah, there's a bunch of homers who like this idiot.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Like a terrible person. Yeah, for summary. But again, I mean, you know, it feels like it started, the start of America is much closer to the end of America than I would have imagined. I totally agree. To Alexander's delight. American and French relations were crumbling. France was now seizing American ships.
Starting point is 00:02:36 A large standing army was feared by many Americans. But after more French provocation, Alexander finally got his army. So people don't want America to have an army, a lot of people. Right. But he gets it. You fucking imagine that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's completely insane.
Starting point is 00:02:55 You know, I think the only country doesn't have an army is Costa Rica. Look out. Federalists also pushed through the alien and sedition acts. Oh, by the way, is that not... Targeting immigrants and free speech. And is that not what we've gone... Like, it's that old that we've reached back to that for modern-day Gestapo. It made it illegal to...
Starting point is 00:03:20 And when I get to say Gestapo, I'm talking about ICE, who are... The Good guys. Sorry, the Good Guys. Sorry, 12 vicious people. Who were doing nothing. They were just having a good time. So it made it illegal to write, print, utter, or publish anything malicious about the government. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:03:44 To bring it into contempt or disrepute Congress or the president. So this is about 20 years after the official founding. That's right. We are already like, no dissent, no freedom of speech. Oh, yeah. Adams was full on board with this shit. Right. though Alexander had immigrated to the U.S., he supported it.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Crazy. And, Melania, and his federal party. And his federalist party went with an anti-immigrant stance. Wow. This is crazy that this guy got a musical. The alien and sedition acts were primarily a political tool to use against Republicans. So Alexander Hamilton, the guy who has, the musical is about that everyone was like, wow, this is really great to see
Starting point is 00:04:32 some diverse representation on Broadway. He's the guy who wrote the rationale or the legal rationale behind what ICE is doing, essentially. I mean, he didn't write it, but he controlled the cabinet, so he, the cabinet's doing his bidding and this is with the cabinet. But so yes is the answer. I mean, yes, is he the brain behind it? Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Okay, so yes. Yes. Interesting. It's pretty cool. It is pretty cool. It's pretty distilled. So, one, the Naturalization Act of 1798 said
Starting point is 00:05:18 immigrants had to be in the U.S. 14 years before they could be naturalized citizens and vote. It appears, to protect national security, but it was a federalist scheme to decrease the number of voters who supported Republicans. Man, I'm not even going to do it. Burr opposed it. Stop.
Starting point is 00:05:43 And gave a speech saying, quote, America stood with open arms and presented an asylum to the oppressed of every nation. That's the villain from Hamlet. The same battles the same battles. It never stops the same battles. Deadless. America's like Marvel. It's just like churning out the same shit over and over again. Earlier in his career, Alexander seemed more pro-immigration, arguing during the constitutional convention against a law that allowed only American-born men to be members of Congress.
Starting point is 00:06:20 Okay. What was he? Thank you. but that's for his own gain. He's an immigrant. Since his views on immigrants' nosedive, a letter to a friend, quote, my opinion is the mass of aliens
Starting point is 00:06:36 ought to be obliged to leave the country. Right. You, you, you... We're going to build a wall. You are, you are an immigrant. Yes. You're British. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Whatever. Yes, but not me, the others. Yes, but I'm one of the good ones. So we're talking about the others. They call me seven. but some of the other ones. I'm one of the good ones. Do you understand?
Starting point is 00:07:01 So we're going to get rid of the baddies, and I'm the goodies. Yum, yum, yum. This is where you get into, like, the definition of what whiteness is. So these are essentially, it's the same thing as we're having now. Well, we have, we are allowing immigrants to come into this country. From Rhodesia. White South African.
Starting point is 00:07:23 Pretty cool. So it's really starting to become very upsetting that we almost do live in his vision. Yeah, we do. Where we are, I mean, obviously he's not going to be able to know that Peter Thiel and Alex Karp and these people are going to be atop. But it really is a, America is a white success story. Those are the people he believed should be in charge. Sure. Right.
Starting point is 00:07:59 So there's two exceptions to his immigrant thing, merchants and those who had behaved in an exemplary way. Right. And he said that was not a lot. Right. Not a lot. Right. He supported punishing those who wrote unflattering things about the federalist
Starting point is 00:08:14 government and urged a senator to prosecute immigrant journalists who he called renegade aliens. Man, this is fucking crazy. Quote, why are they not sent away? Man, this is crazy. This is the guy they did the musical about. I don't know if you knew that. This is fucking nuts, man.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Many Republicans were jail. Like Chernow was probably like when they were turning it into a musical, it was probably like, it's going to bring a lot of heat. People are probably going to really start looking into this shit after this. But people went crazy for that book. That book was before that. People loved it.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. So stupid. Everyone is so stupid Many Republicans were jailed under the sedition act You know how stupid this country is for me to be like it's stupid?
Starting point is 00:09:02 Oh, it's terrifying. I mean, it's crazy. That is a terrifying idea. Stop. Many Republicans were jailed under the Sedition Act, one for months for questioning the standing army. An editor was put in jail for a year and a half for saying the government embraced the wealthy
Starting point is 00:09:17 at the expense of common citizens. A year and a half. But also that's like, like, this government only cares about rich people get in jail well you're making my point get in jail I don't fucking care
Starting point is 00:09:31 get in jail another was jailed for drunkenly saying he wished a cannonball would hit John Adams in the ass now that's that's me then now they got me my people that is amazing
Starting point is 00:09:45 drunkenly saying it too that cannibal hits you fucking ass come with us why you're under arrest You can't actually do that. Man, if they ever come around for the people who said that J.D. Vance fucked couches, we're going to have...
Starting point is 00:09:59 I would say we're going to need to build more prisons, but we have enough. I always think, like, if they did the big roundup that everyone's scared about, the number of people that they would have to... It would be real awkward for you because you'd be like, I blocked that guy. I'm blocking a lot of these people. I was telling my mother today, I was like... Because she was saying something about whatever. And I was like, look, if they really start doing the heavy roundup, I will have, I'll go. I'll have to go.
Starting point is 00:10:30 But I'm like, I'm way down on the list. Way down on the list. But if they really start doing the net, I won't have to bounce real quick. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, if this keeps going on, after they steal the midterms and all that, it's probably going to get a little gnarly. Yeah. Tensions were at an all-time high between federalists and Republicans. Federalists controlled Congress and did all they could to stop immigration and stifle free speech,
Starting point is 00:10:54 especially papers critical of the Adams administration. And Alexander is delighted with what the French quasi-war was helping the Federalists achieve. Adams had asked Washington to be head of the army again, should war with France happen. And Washington agreed. How old is it? It's got to be real old at this point. Okay. Hey, well, Roger.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Everybody run. I'm going to lay down. Run over there with them and get them good. I can't see. Everyone go that way and do a charge at them. Now let's all lay down. Lay down, everyone, and let's have a little... Yep.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Oh. Yep. Oh. Oh. All right. Let's go have a big drink. We already lost. Oh.
Starting point is 00:11:55 What year is it? It's two years after you laid down. so tired of all of this. You pulled what we call him McConnell. Oh, what does that mean? You're dead. Oh, no. Well, you surely'll tell everyone right away.
Starting point is 00:12:08 That's how this has to work. Well, he only would do it if the French invade. Is part of the reason he loves the war because it is granting all these kind of extra power? I mean, it's the same reason we love war now. Yeah, right. Okay. So until then, his place would be at the head of the, military inspector army inspector general he wanted that to be Alexander right okay so
Starting point is 00:12:36 Adams wanted Henry Knox for inspector general his he's popped up a couple of times Knox the fat boy yeah his Alexander loving cabinet disagreed of course because right when Adams cabinet handed him a list of officers for the army which listed Alexander as inspector general Adams forgot the list, which he was supposed to sign before a trip home. And he then rewrote it to moating Alexander. But Washington said that if Adams didn't give the position to Alexander, he wouldn't lead the army. And so Adams gave in. That's such a weird relationship those two had. Alexander was, quote, being crammed down my throat. That's such a weird relationship Washington and Hamilton had. He, yeah, it is, I mean, it's clearly just professional. He thinks,
Starting point is 00:13:28 he's smart. Washington does. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would argue he is smart. He's just evil. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Yeah. I remember Washington is a super rich guy. Yeah. Guy. Like he's, yeah. Alexander quickly rewarded his schuler. How much better America would be if we just were like actually taught stuff? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Just to learn from. Yeah. Be something. Alexander quickly rewarded. his shulner relatives with jobs. Finally. I'm going to come to some hot bucks and listen to this fucking idiot, yo. Finally, a general, Alexander wanted to make use of his position.
Starting point is 00:14:08 The war against France was looking... This is his dream for so long. Yeah. The war against France was looking increasingly unlikely, so maybe he could seize Florida and work with Great Britain to take South America from Spain? These are good ideas. Yeah, great idea. President Adams, who's a fucking grump, was known to...
Starting point is 00:14:28 to stomp on his wig out of frustration during cabinet meetings. We've all done that. And he grew increasingly upset at Alexander's scheming in his administration. Great. He called him, quote, the greatest hypocrite as any in the U.S., who was devoid of moral principle, a man who regularly womanized and cheated on his wife,
Starting point is 00:14:51 a bastard brat of a Scottish peddler. Man, nailed. Very good. When Alexander convinced federalists to sell Adams on his plan to join with Great Britain and invade South America, Adam said he didn't know whether to laugh or cry. And he yelled that he would not send Americans to fight in, quote, expensive and bloody experiments to excite horrors in South America. Man, what a lunatic. That is, that is now anti-American.
Starting point is 00:15:26 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that's the business model, Jack. Yeah, that's what we do. Excuse me. This whole project is about useless fear. Alexander knew people would like his plan, so he had his 10-year-old son write letters about it so that his handwriting wouldn't be recognized. This is crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:55 No, no, no, boy. You've got to keep going. It's just fucking. His kid hands him like a... 600-page letter. He's like, short, but nobody will know it's me. Alexander also thought it would be a good idea to invade Virginia. Well, we're at it. Let's just invade Virginia. Produce it. He already invaded Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Come on. Let's do it. Let's go. He thought it was going to succeed. Oh, right. Very different than succeed. It did succeed. And so he wanted to arrest those who spoke out against the government. but now even some federalists are getting a little... Freedom is really like... It's got a lot of caveats to it. Yeah, it really does.
Starting point is 00:16:37 So now even some federalists are starting get a little freaked out. They're like, uh... Are you cool, dude? Like, we're crazy, but what's going on with you? You know, you fucking mind. This is weird. In a move that led to screaming matches
Starting point is 00:16:49 behind closed doors between himself and Alexander's fanatical federalists, Adam sent envoys to France to broker peace. Alexander tried to convince, one not to go and it didn't work. So he tried to convince Adams to abandon the peace process. Wow. How?
Starting point is 00:17:08 He's just like, this ain't going to work. Yeah. Just blow him up. Well, I just, I know you're looking for peace, but why not just shoot him in the face? I know you want peace, but how about we break off a piece of this American dick in France's ass? Boom. Okay. Bada da da da da da da bonga dingi digi diggy.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Right that down. I was with you and tell the song. Diggy, diggy, my name is Hamilton. The president thought Alexander addressed him in a condescending manner, like a teacher lecturing a dull student. Do what I want in France, bitch. This might be why all the dams love him. Yeah, right. As he grew more and more impassioned, he'd flail his arms and speak louder and louder.
Starting point is 00:17:57 B'all what the dumb d' dangit-diggie-diggie. This is everyone said a ptum-jump-de-a-bogger. Adams thought it was funny to watch, quote, The overwrought little man tried to convince him of anything.
Starting point is 00:18:11 After Alexander quit talking, Adams went through his argument against peace and refuted every single point, then refused to hear any more. That's the toughest part for him. No more? No? What do I have to do?
Starting point is 00:18:23 Go home to my wife? Can I write a letter? I hate her. In the end, Adams achieved a huge win for diplomacy rather than bloodshed when his envoy is secured a treaty and Alexander was defeated. Man, just reminds you of what it was like when we used to just have a treaty or a deal. Yeah. I'll never forget when I got so mad that Trump went to talk to North Korea and I'm like, that's okay, guys. It's the greatest thing Trump did. It's okay to try to have peace.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Now, the guy obviously, you know, he, like sucked him off in a letter, but that's fine. Whatever. Yeah. Just get peace. Instead of now when he's like, just like. This is great. The memorandum of understanding. We can't even fulfill the memorandum of understanding. So bad.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Well, he's got the guitar plane. I just can't anymore. So crazy. So Alexander is now head of an army that's doing nothing. In 1800, his force was disbanded, and then Washington died. From pneumonia and bloodline and beetles in his mouth. They put beetles on his mouth and they took all the blood out. They let him shit himself a bunch.
Starting point is 00:19:39 They took all of his blood and he had pneumonia. They killed him. And then they pretended he was alive for a month after. Yeah, they try to bring him back. So Alexander sinks into sort of a deposition. and he wrote Eliza that, quote, At the bottom of my soul, there is more than usual gloom. I'm in the room next door.
Starting point is 00:20:02 I'm over here with my girlfriend. That's why I'm writing you. Anyway, I hope you're well. Sending quotes. I hope to see you again sometime soon. I've drawn some pictures I'm sending you. I did this with others. I'm doing this right now.
Starting point is 00:20:15 This is something I'm in the middle of. It's called the banana basket. Ever heard of it? What happens in that? I've already pretty much told you what it is, but it's when you cut the bottom out of a regular fruit basket, put your penis through it, and surround it with pineapples. And then you ask the lady to suck the banana first,
Starting point is 00:20:30 and then she gets all the other fruits. So he was then tricked by Aaron Burr into advocating for the Manhattan Company, which Burr said would bring clean water into Manhattan. But it was actually a ploy to create a bank in New York that was not in the clutches of the federalists. So amazing. on banks. And it's also amazing that even this guy was like, clean water is a great idea.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Yeah. And now we've completely. It's still there. The water is still. It's all. Alexander, quote, never was there a more ungenerous persecution of any man than of myself. Oh, my God. Get him a truth social account.
Starting point is 00:21:18 Wow. Over the banks being over an independent bank. Yes. over an independent bank basically. Yeah. That's right. I'm Jesus Christ. Both men were then hired to defend Levi Weeks, who was accused of murdering a woman and dumping her body in a well. It's a very sensational case. Very big deal. The trial goes on for three days. Every single session going into the early hours of the morning, Alexander Burr and another famous lawyer, Brock Holst Livingston, interviewed 55 witnesses.
Starting point is 00:21:57 The team got... Her and Hamilton are on the prosecution side of us? No, they're defending him. Okay. There's three defense lawyers. Okay. And so they get him a non-guilty verdict. The jury just deliberates for five minutes.
Starting point is 00:22:16 So they kick ass. In 1800, there's a noticeable shift from federalists to Republican support in New York. due in part to people beginning to see how Federalists prized the upper class above workers. They didn't like the embrace of Great Britain or the desire for a standing army, and they were put off by the Alien and Sedition Acts. Aaron Burr took notice and began organizing his political allies like no one had before, holding street rallies at which he and other charismatic Republicans spoke,
Starting point is 00:22:53 choosing Republican candidates, he knew it to have a good name recognition, and conducting voter research. It's just so, it's just always so incredible to be like, I had a crazy idea. What if we figure out what people want? And we sort of pitch in that direction and try to get them involved in happy. You got out of your fucking mind.
Starting point is 00:23:17 I know, it's crazy. Or let's take everything and kick out the ones who fuck with us. He avoids slinging mud completely saying that he wanted to conduct a highly honorable campaign. Burr also found a workaround for men who didn't own the $50 in land needed to vote. Right. He got groups of men to go in on one plot, which allowed them all to vote. So they co-opted the plot. And then...
Starting point is 00:23:44 That's genius. And then, yeah, that is. And then Hamilton was just like, it's called the save act. It's a... Bauer to da-dang-deggig-deggig-deggig. He advocated for giving free black people the vote in defiance of many in his own party and publicly questioned Alexander about his support of the alien and sedition acts when he saw him speaking on street corners. I just, it's not that I, there's the musical that makes him seem like the best.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Yeah, the musical should have been about Aaron Pere. And we just made the worst guy, the best guy. Yeah. And no. But it doesn't matter because the musical doesn't have to be Excuse me, Broadway is all about interpretation. Republicans swept the assembly elections,
Starting point is 00:24:36 meaning a Republican president would win in New York and Alexander is freaking out because he's watching Burr succeed while his influence is waning. He starts writing mean letters to his friends in Adam's cabinet, especially McKenry, Secretary of War, telling him that,
Starting point is 00:24:53 his management of his employees was, quote, ridiculously bad. You suck. In a shocking attempt to clawback power, he asked Governor John Jay to hold a secret meeting to come up with new rules for choosing the state electors, overturning the results of the election. He was warned it would begin a civil war, but replied that that would be preferable to having Jefferson as president. Man. we've not been doing it that long
Starting point is 00:25:23 John Jay was disgusted and refused to do it I need 1100 votes That's right It's 11,000 votes is all I need The Federalists chose Pinkney and Adams As their candidates Okay By the way, when all the Republicans
Starting point is 00:25:40 Are okay with usurping our Democratic laws They can literally point to Hamilton and go Man, it's a founding father Our guy the musical you all love love love I still go to sleep to it every night
Starting point is 00:25:56 oh I do too yeah make love to it do your favorite part oh ba ba ba ba ba da ba da ba da ding ding ding ding ding ding bada ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba bha bha bha bha bha bha bha bha bha bha bha bhae
Starting point is 00:26:12 The Federalists chose pinkney and adams as their candidates Okay Republicans pick Jefferson and burr They wanted Jefferson as president and burr as vice president Now, tensions are at an all-time high, and Adams fired some of Alexander's friends from his cabinet and screamed that Jefferson was an infinitely better man than Alexander and that he'd rather be VP than, quote, indebted to such a being as Hamilton for the presidency. This is nuts. I mean, they're both. Adams isn't good either.
Starting point is 00:26:47 No, but even he is like, I can't deal with this shit anymore. I don't want to work for the mob. Yeah. I'm out of here. This isn't a life. Alexander set out to ruin Adams' chances, visiting northern states, convincing electors that Adams was, quote, unfit and incapable. They're in the same party.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Yeah, well, it's why you don't make a deal with the devil. I mean, it's why you can't do it because it's just going to result in shit like this. And he said he was, quote, as wicked as he is mad. Alexander sent Adams' letters saying how he injured he was by Adams' statements. The election of 1800 had brutal mudslinging. Alexander was so mad at Adams that he publicly attacked Adams rather than Republican Jefferson.
Starting point is 00:27:34 He wrote a vicious piece that listed all of Adam's faults. God. Alexander's Federalist friends begged him not to publish it, but Alexander was incapable of letting... Do you have any idea what I do? All I do is publish crazy shit. I'm a pit bull! Ted Kaczynski told me to chill out.
Starting point is 00:27:59 So he's incapable of letting Petty Few Goes and he published it. Not, but only in South Carolina, where he was confident a federalist would win. So he's like, it won't do damage there, this inner party strife in there, but I want the word out. Okay. But somebody gave an editor in Philadelphia a draft, and the editor published large tracks.
Starting point is 00:28:22 In a letter from Alexander Hamilton concerning the public conduct and character of John Adams' Esquire, president of the United States, it is 50 pages of insults and poisonous slites against Adam's intellect, character, and leadership. It savaged him for his, quote, extreme egotism and vanity without bounds. which made it impossible to see the wisdom of his cabinet members. He said Adams ruined what Washington had achieved and with another four years would ruin the entire nation. Wow. I didn't know they were going to pass the note. That was just for South Carolina.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Oh, no. I guess there is a way to have it rewritten down. Very true. It backfired incredibly. Federalists were dismayed and angry. Yeah, because he's fucking running for president. Yeah, because he's sabotaged. You're undermining the party.
Starting point is 00:29:22 Again, good. Fuck your party. But also, yeah, this is, this is why you can't do this. Yeah. This is, I mean, really is just so similar to what we are in the midst of now. Oh. A federalist editor blamed Alexander's quotes, ambition, pride, and overbearing temper for what was sure to be a federalist loss.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Friends of decades distanced themselves and condemned Alexander's words. Alexander Hamilton. I'm Hamilton. Alexander Hamilton. Some told him that he, that his jabs at Adams' vanity and ambition described him as well. Another friend said that that hurts. Now that's fucked up. What?
Starting point is 00:30:07 What? What? Come on now. Another friend said that the timing quote was simple madness. I mean... I just... When am I supposed to pop? Was it simple madness?
Starting point is 00:30:20 I'm just... Was it simple? Was it simple? Was it simple madness? I wrote the letter. Thought it'd be better? Was it simple madness? Bob, what to tell?
Starting point is 00:30:31 Alexander? You're right. I'm trying to figure this all out, okay? I think in song. I think it's song now, okay? I thought I was doing swell when I put it in the ink well. Imagine being married. this fucking guy.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Imagine that woman had to deal with this level of psychotic I mean, the mind games that are going on in his political world,
Starting point is 00:30:58 let alone that he was just like fucking around, impregnating you, blaming everyone else. There's never, let any little thing go. Can never let anything go. Can never let anything be his fault.
Starting point is 00:31:11 And if anything is his fault, he just blows it up and makes it all worse. And he would rather die than admit one fault. Yeah. That would be a tough thing to live through.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Alexander insisted that he'd made the right move and started writing a follow-up piece. Nobody's asking for a squeakle. I love that everyone's like, what in the fuck did you do? And he's like, well, I'll show you what I did. I'm starting a trilogy.
Starting point is 00:31:41 I'm in the midst of an amazing three-parter. And friends from Adams' cabinet He went to friends from Adams' cabinet for more anecdotes But they refused and begged him not to write it And in the end got any Adams' stories I'm working on a follow-up letter Do you have anything juicy? You wrote a 50-page letter
Starting point is 00:32:03 I know I'm dead I've got some big shoes to fill But I plan on stuffing them Let's cook Does he flush Ooh Does he make weird noises? He doesn't wipe. I am either.
Starting point is 00:32:19 On election day, Federalists were defeated. Why? I don't know. And Burr and Jefferson tied for the number one position. So Burr wrote Jefferson and told him that he would not compete for the top job and was happy to serve under Jefferson. What's that all about? Federalists floated challenging the voting in states. It's always the same. It never stops. It's like we're in Groundhog Day.
Starting point is 00:32:52 The book ending of America's beginning and end is really fucking nuts. It's pretty special. They're going to call for a second election or just have Adams pick a officer in the U.S. to serve as president should the House deadlock. Some said they should back Burr, who is at least a northerner. So they're like, okay, how do we get out of this and, like, contest the election, or do we just back Burr because they want Jefferson? Alexander jumps into the debate saying Jefferson was the lesser of two evils, and Burr being, quote, overly ambitious scheming and the most dangerous man. Yeah, the guy was like, you be president. It's so Trump.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Yeah. It's so that he just pointed him, but that guy. He also cheated on his wife, Eliza, and like nobody has before him. Yes. He fucked that woman next door. And that there is no circumstance in the course of our political affairs affairs that it gave me so much pain as the idea that Mr. Burr might be elevated to the presidency by the means of the federalists. Now, he is just mad because Burr beat his father-in-law in the election. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Well, and also, I mean, I think also it's like the fear of someone who is, yeah, there's going to be a populist. And like, you're like, that's going to be difficult. He said Burr's massive debt meant he couldn't be trusted because he was in a lot of debt. Right. It wasn't personal. As he said, he and Burr got along pretty well. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to kill him soon, but other than that.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Though they may have been because Burr never responded to any of his attacks. Burr never responded. But he probably was probably just like let him tire himself out. Yeah. It's just stupid. Adam's thought it was funny laughing that, quote, the very two men that he was most jealous of are now placed above him. Yeah, he had a real giggle about that. You know what's very funny.
Starting point is 00:34:55 It's very funny that the two guys who I have a major issue with are actually winning at the game that I have been obsessed with cheating and beating the whole time. And now those two are the big ones. And I'm fine. And I'm fine. Yeah. And I'm fine. No, you're not mad. I'm not mad.
Starting point is 00:35:25 I'm doing fine. Yeah. Because it's okay that they're there. And I'm here. And I'm happy here. Yeah. Let me hear. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:35 Yeah, you can tell you. It's cool. Like whatever. Yeah. Let them go do this for a little while. Not that easy. Not that easy. The way I do it, not that easy.
Starting point is 00:35:46 I made the tough calls. It's easy for anyone to sit there and promise cotton candy and ring lights for everybody. Sure, if you're a restaurant where you say people can throw their peanut shells on the ground, that's a fun idea if you're not the janitor. But you need someone to come in and clean up the mess, and that's what I did. But I'm happy for them. And I'm happy for America, because let them see what they've got themselves in the middle of. because it's not going to be good.
Starting point is 00:36:11 I'm just here to deliver this letter. Well, give me the letter. Okay. Actually, I got a letter for you. I bet you do. Yeah, here it is. It's this. Is it for me?
Starting point is 00:36:20 Yeah, sure. It's for anybody. I got a bunch of whom I make concerns. You want to come in for a minute? I want to show you some pictures. Have you ever thought about bifurcating a penis what it could do? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right, look, look, look.
Starting point is 00:36:32 Some call me the cock, Leonardo da Vinci. I'm thinking of all these different things you could possibly do. Yeah. But anyway, so you're my best friend. No? Yes, you are. No. Yes, you are.
Starting point is 00:36:45 No. What's your name? I'm not saying. You're my best friend. I'm not saying. You're my best friend, Todd. You should, nope. Todd, Ted.
Starting point is 00:36:51 Tom. It's not Todd. Tommy. It's not. All right. You know what you're watching here, Ted? You're watching a guy hit rock bottom? Good.
Starting point is 00:36:59 And a fine way. Okay. And I'm going to rebuild and I'm going to be fine because I'm a champion. That's what champions do. Can I go? You can go. I'll go with you. Where are we headed?
Starting point is 00:37:08 No. We got to drop off more letters? No, I'm not. Maybe we do it like this. One of us gets on the other ones back, and then we swap when we get tired. I'm going to walk into the ocean. I would love to follow you there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Maybe we put straws in our mouths and we pretend like we're fish as we go underwater. I don't think we do that. Tell you what would be fun. No. Swim bellies up, take pisses as we swim. See what it looks like. We could call ourselves whales. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:37:32 All right. Well, what do you like to do? Not be around you. You ever made yogurt? No. You want to try with a buddy? I don't. I don't think guys should make yogurt together.
Starting point is 00:37:41 It's a crazy thing to say. My dad taught me that. How about this? Last pitch. We run into each other as fast as we can with our shirts off and see if we merge into one guy. No. One more. I've seen that on the Ocho.
Starting point is 00:37:56 One more pitch. You just come in here and we don't. No, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. You just come in here and we don't leave until we've come up with the coolest handshake. Ever. No.
Starting point is 00:38:09 I'm talking about the stuff baseball players do. No. No. And also, we can never come up with a handshake that's cooler than anything Steven Seagal has come up with. One more pitch. Yeah. Bye. I'm in a bad spot.
Starting point is 00:38:27 I know you are. It's what's funny. That's why we're the outside's laughing. I think it's funny, too. Yeah. I think it's funny too, man. Yeah. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:38:44 All right. I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out myself. You will. I will. I'm big, big boy. Big, big boy. I love you, Ted.
Starting point is 00:38:56 No. Most Federalists disagreed with Alexander, preferring Burr, and they couldn't trust that Alexander wasn't ruled by personal Vendez. You can imagine. Crazy. I don't know where they can have that. What a crazy thing. But Alexander did not let up, making accusations he made frequently against Burr
Starting point is 00:39:13 over the years. He's the devil. No gutting principles and irresponsible in his private life. Alexander... He's calling Burr irresponsible in his private life. This guy's a loose can and watch out. Alexander said Burr was, in one biographer's words, quote, a modern politician who believed in and practiced democratic politics.
Starting point is 00:39:35 And his belief in democratic politics would help him build great support while president. To my mind, the elevation of... What was the idea? Isn't that part of the idea? To my mind, the elevation of Mr. Burr will be the worst kind of political suicide. So he's literally saying populism is the end of, you know, everything. Right, because he's... Because we built the city on the idea... Rock and roll.
Starting point is 00:40:02 That everybody is going to lose as long as the upper crusts do well. That's right. So votes... voting went on for days. They're always deadlocked. and Jefferson finally won when Burr refused a federalist deal. And Jefferson became president, and a big reason was Alexander's hatred of Adams, which tore his own party apart and made people suspicious of federalists. Jefferson reported that Alexander was now, quote, nearly destitute of all followers.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Alexander said both his friends and enemies were scornful of his conduct, and he was feeling an all-consuming gloom. Which, yeah, you brought on yourself. Like, you don't go after a guy in your own party. Lonely asshole? So sorry. Sorry, you're a dick. 46-year-old Alexander withdrew to private life saying, quote,
Starting point is 00:40:53 every day proves to me more and more that this American world was not made for me. That is so. What an absolute piece of crap. What an absolute piece of crap. He does everything he can to make American. about him. Maha, make America Hamilton again. He tries to make it all about Hamilton so that he can succeed as best as possible. And when that mildly fails because he nukes his own party, he walks around on a cliff's edge
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Starting point is 00:47:38 He played with his kids, built an estate. We need a time traveling therapist. I think this guy's beyond therapy. Maybe. This guy, this is like some grandiose, fucking narcissism shit. He played with his kids and built an estate he called the Grades.
Starting point is 00:47:55 He hated playing with his kids. No, I think he generally, from what I read. He was just there like, there you go. Good snowball. They took it all from me. I'm going to take the snowball from you the way they took everything from me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:10 I know how much you love it. See all the snow melting? It reminds me of daddy's slow demise. Okay, daddy. Oh. What do you say you eat a pile of dirt for dad's entertainment, huh? Mommy, I don't want to be dad. Don't call her mommy.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Don't call her mommy. Mother. Don't call her mother. I don't want to be around father again. Oh, Jesus Christ. Now you call there. Hi, honey. Miss you.
Starting point is 00:48:37 He's a dark cloud. Oh, come on. Daddy's a dark cloud. Shut up. Daddy is a dark cloud. Power da-da-da-dang-da-d-d-da-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. The house was a grand one. He built the house, right?
Starting point is 00:48:54 The house was a grand one and furnished expensively. He spent about $80,000 on it, even though his income was around $12,000. This country is just not right for me. building a giant house. I'm going to go into my mansion. So now he's deep in debt. Right. And he took after his old mentor, Robert Morris,
Starting point is 00:49:14 Morris, who was recently thrown into debtor's prison after angry creditors attacked him at his home. Whoops. Oh, boy. Richest man in America. War profiteer, Robert Morris. And what did people do? They angry creditors attacked him. Not people. Angry creditors.
Starting point is 00:49:31 People he owed money to. Right. The American people? No, probably like... Well, but if it was the American people. Great. Like, let's say Rug pulled his stock. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:43 And they lost tons of money. And maybe he launched the stock so quickly because China was going to make a rocket that could self-land. For cheaper. Hypothetically speaking. So in the fall of 1801, a man named George Aker made ugly remarks about Alexander to his son Philip, who was 19. Philip and a friend, Price, verbally accosted Acre in public.
Starting point is 00:50:14 An Aker then called them rascals. You do not do that. Philip and Price both challenged Aker to a duel, an acre accepted. Alexander knew... So it's a two first? So he's like, I'll do you, then I'll do you. Yeah, I think it's one on. Yeah, well, you first, then you second.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Now, Alexander knew about the duel, but did nothing to stop it. And he told Philip to throw away his first shot by firing into the air. But Aker fought shot first, and Philip was mortally wounded. But Dad's advice was good. Yeah, Dad's advice was great. What a weird advice? No, what is the etiquette of that? If you shoot up, then the other guy's like, okay, we're shooting up.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Right. And then no one gets killed. I mean, Aker did what I would say anyone should do. Yeah, kill him. You're fucking shoot him. Kill that son of a bitch. If you could shoot a Hamilton. By the way, in the musical, this is like...
Starting point is 00:51:13 Our son. I don't remember. Yeah, it's a whole like... That's great. He's gone from us. She's like, you said to shoot in the air. Is that true? It's something like that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:27 Philip was rushed back to Manhattan. Alexander was so overcome with fear for Philip, whom he called the family's brightest hope that he fainted. Oh. Oh. When he reached Philip's bedside and saw the wound, the attending doctor said he turned and said, and quote, exclaimed in a tone and manner
Starting point is 00:51:47 that can never be effaced from my memory. Doctor, I despair. He clung to life through the night and died at 5 a.m. the next morning. Alexander was so distraught that he had to be helped to stand during Phil's funeral. And from then on, a friend said that his face was stamped with grief. Okay. Don't care.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Yeah, I mean, it's like, yeah, he lost his son. So he's sad, but still fuck him. Yeah, that'll give a shit. He worked with a newspaper editor to write a version of the conflict in which Aker was the initial assailant. Now I got to write about this. No. That kid came at my boy. My boy was in a crib.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Yes. Okay. Listen, we're going to put you in the paper, but this is an article. You're not going to write the whole fucking paper. Okay? I appreciate what you're going through. I'm really sorry to hear it. But you have this history of verbosity that is, quite frankly, grammatical terrorism.
Starting point is 00:52:49 So we are going to let you make an article, but concise to the point. You can tell us the story, but let's start. Start from the event and we'll make it about your son, okay? Verbosity, the paper. What? This is going to be a big one. What are you talking about? Special edition.
Starting point is 00:53:10 What? Morning news, verbosity. Just tell me the story and we'll put it in the paper. Start from the beginning. It started on a cold, dark night. No, it didn't. It was during the day, like a week ago. When they woke up.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Who? The boys. Philip the shooting cunt and they I'm gonna jump in walked carefully
Starting point is 00:53:38 across the dirt road there was danger in the air the smell of death I'm just going to put Philip a shot in the throat well did he get shot or was there an exploding device hidden in the microphone
Starting point is 00:54:00 we're not going to do this and there was and there might have been my son told me because I haven't paid attention at all and he goes what do you think about the Charlie Kirk neck
Starting point is 00:54:14 and he go he was shot and he goes was he? I go yeah I think so and he goes what about this evidence and I go
Starting point is 00:54:22 huh that's weird usually bullets go through necks I mean from what I've heard I mean yeah they pay They paved over where it happened. It's all so crazy.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Like, why would you, like, wouldn't someone be like, no, that's going to look really bad. The fucking cop goes up on the roof. He doesn't, it's fucking camera's up. I died once I got up. I mean, again, it's like, we fully crossed the Rubicon because you now are on, you're on the side now where you just go, I don't, I don't. I mean, again, all the conspiratorial people are like, welcome, brother. I mean, that's why conspiracies happen is because evidence is all weird. Well, but they also, they, they conspiracy, like, when, when, you know, Jack Ruby shot Oswald, it was like, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:55:13 It's so bizarre, but you still couldn't really tell. They paved over there, like, well, I think the first thing to do is to just repave the area. Do that ASAP. Hey, forensic crew, can we go over there? Oh, we've, no, we turned into a. playground yesterday. Sorry about that. And all the gun guys are like, yeah, that gun doesn't work like that. Oh, okay. Anyway, back to this. So he's working with the newspaper, writing a version of the fucking thing. And he makes Ecker like the assailant, even though it had
Starting point is 00:55:52 been Philip. And he framed Phillips' public verbal attack, which ended with the two men being pulled apart as just two guys joking around, a couple of fellas joking around. He was horse. My boy was horsing around. He did not mention that Philip was upset about things Ecker and said about Alexander. Oh, God, because nobody's angry at me. He said, Ager had murdered Philip, claiming Philip was not going to aim to kill. And this upset Egger's friends as Philip came to the duel armed and had pointed his gun right at Eager before Eager fired.
Starting point is 00:56:27 That's a weird move. The baby that Eliza was pregnant with was born in June, and they named the baby Philip. Oh, sorry. Philip, right. You Philip, too? Yeah. That's kind of some dark shit. This kind of shit.
Starting point is 00:56:44 Parents do do this, and I can't. That's real weird. I can't. It's just so weird. Did I ever tell you who you're named after? No. It's a pretty fun little story. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Well. Uh-huh. Philip is a family name. Oh. Yeah. In the sense that... My grandpa? No.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Your brother. Oh, wow. You've never met him. Where is he? He was shot in the throat. Oh. So you're a grieving device. You're an article of denial for your mother and I.
Starting point is 00:57:23 Because the truth is, I'll never come to terms with the fact that it might be my fault. So we've named you Philip and we've put all of our dark energy into you. So that in some way it's like he's still with us. Your ability to be your own person or an individual who achieves outside of the shadow of what happened. It's a Sisyan mission that you'll never accomplish. I'm going to have some issues. Oh, you're going to be a Hamilton. Fuck, fuck me.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Yeah, fuck you. Yeah, yeah, sounds terrible. And by the way, I'm out of my mind. Couldn't he just name me Todd? It seems like a lot of this would have not been... Acre shot your throat. Okay. And we'll show him who's...
Starting point is 00:58:27 Am I supposed to get justice? Yes, you are, justice. Okay. You'll stay here until we're done with you. Okay. Okay. All right, buddy. Good night.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Sleep outside. You're being punished for dying. So the death led their 17-year-old daughter, Angelica, to have a mental breakdown. The girl who played piano and sang duets with her father never recovered. she remained in a childlike state for the rest of her life, unable to care for herself, and speaking about Philip as if he were alive. Dad, this is some shit.
Starting point is 00:59:07 This is some dark shit. This is some dark shit. Just a few days after Philip's death, Alexander began writing essays, attacking Jefferson. Back into my... I will throw myself into the only worthy project I have. Fixing our marriage? Shut up, lady.
Starting point is 00:59:24 Get me a pen and paper. Hurry. This one will be written in my blood. Sorry, your blood. You're blood. Sorry. I'm too important to the project. You're my inkwell. You are.
Starting point is 00:59:38 He called his inaugural, sorry, he's attacking Jefferson. He called his inaugural speech the product of, quote, a pygmy mind. Hey, pigmy. Pigmy, boy. And complained that immigrants would corrupt the national spirit and called the new Treasury Secretary a foreigner. Man, oh man. Alexander's a foreigner, by the way. He's a foreigner.
Starting point is 01:00:01 Yeah, but he's a good one. The new Treasury Secretary, but Alexander was a Treasury Secretary, but his diatribe's went unnoticed. Federalists didn't care what he had to say anymore. Everyone's done. Everyone's done. He's Tucker Carlson. Well, it really is such a lesson in how
Starting point is 01:00:24 the succubus of attention is defeated. It is through becoming irrelevant. Yeah. No, he's not Tucker Carlson. He's Bill O'Reilly. Yeah. And hopefully someday he's Trump if he sticks around. But we'll probably never get out of that shit. Oh, God. At some point.
Starting point is 01:00:43 People need to start going like, what, how are we going to handle it if Trump sheds his human form and becomes a dark ball of evil energy? A Stephen Miller How will we am, I don't know What defeats Stephen Miller? Flowers. Yep. Flowers.
Starting point is 01:01:06 Just throw them out. It burns! These are burning! Yeah! So Fettos don't care. He grew despondent and began to cling to religion. Here we go. Visiting friends found him subdued and sentimental.
Starting point is 01:01:24 One said, when he went to bed feeling ill, Alexander tiptoed in and put an extra blanket over him whispering, quote, sleep warm, little judge, and get well. It might be the worst part of this story. I thought he was going to kill me.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Obviously. I'll tell you, I was real relieved when he walked out. Sleep well, little judge. A few years later in 1804, Burr was also on the outs with his party after angering Jefferson and losing Southern support. He knew he would not be on the ticket in the next election, so he ran for governor of New York.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Alexander was afraid Burr was looking to switch to the Federalist Party or to create his own party made up of the disillusioned, which there were a lot, if you can imagine. When Burr went to a federalist banquet in New York, Alexander was sure of it, noting that many federalists had, quote, embarked with zeal in support of Mr. Burr. So he's Alexander. So papers began viciously slandering Burr regularly.
Starting point is 01:02:34 Okay. Probably written by Alexander. They echoed the exact words he'd used against Burr in the past. So Hamilton is afraid that Burr is going to, you know, kind of, again, it's sort of about people finding out how big of a piece of shit he is. So he thinks, oh, he might be a federalist, but really what he's doing is he's taking the disenfranchised. franchise federalists, the people who feel like maybe they don't have a party anymore, and he's sort of speaking to that disillusionment and potentially gaining popularity into Alexander, that's sort of a threat.
Starting point is 01:03:06 He could gain people from both parties and be a problem. Start a new party and God forbid that happens. Oh, boy, I've got to kill this guy. So after he goes to that party, Alexander rises up and starts writing these letters. exact words that he used against Burr in the past accusing him a widower of consorting with male prostitutes attending parties with black people
Starting point is 01:03:33 and turning his home into a house of prostitution Burjers are like what are you doing oh my God that guy would be so popular now that doesn't get presidential candidate outside of the last one he's gay and hanging out with black people and he's got progressive policies
Starting point is 01:03:51 yet Burr again His whole thing is don't respond, and he just keeps running a clean campaign. That's his deal. I'm not going to mudsling. Now, there's not a federalist on the ticket, so Alexander was attacking just for the love of the game, right? He backed a weaker Republican candidate. And the slander, Alexander's friends made against Burr, who he started out incredibly popular and was the assumed winner, but the slander works. And Burr is defeated by so many.
Starting point is 01:04:24 votes, it's unlikely as political career would ever recover. Like, he just gets crushed. Because they just lied and lied and lied and lied and lying and line. Shortly after newspaper article reported, Dr. David Cooper reported a Dr. David Cooper said that Alexander made an insulting remark about Burr at a private dinner. And he said that Burr was a, quote, dangerous man who ought not to be trusted. Yeah. Alexander's father-in-law, the rich guy Philip Schuller was angry about the leak and wrote a rebuttal saying Alexander would never say that because he had promised to remain neutral. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:05:08 Sorry about that. Yeah, and they're mine. This is Eliza's father. Yes. Amazing. I love her dad. Do not care for her, but I love her daddy. This was laughable because Alexander attended the Federalist Caucus to disparage Burr.
Starting point is 01:05:23 Dr. Cooper, the guy... There's like a flyer. Tuesday, 8.30. Hamilton disparages Burr. Dr. Cooper, the guy who leaked the thing in the first place, responded that he was not lying and added, quote, I could detail to you a still more despicable opinion which General Hamilton has expressed of Mr. Burr.
Starting point is 01:05:45 So Burr doesn't pay attention, but then he hears about a months later. Right. And he writes to Alexander. He didn't care about being called. dangerous but the word despicable implied that Alexander had been going after his character and behavior and he demanded that Alexander give him quote a prompt
Starting point is 01:06:02 an unqualified acknowledgement of denial of saying such a thing and rather than deny it Alexander nitpicked asking what Burr meant by the word despicable if he didn't know he refused to confirm or deny anything Burr said Alexander
Starting point is 01:06:21 was being insincere and explained what he meant by despicable giving Alexander another chance to deny it. By the way, this is Alexander's dream. He's like, oh, letters back and forth. Here we go. Oh, you fool. Alexander would not.
Starting point is 01:06:38 He dismissed advice from a couple of men on how to word his reply to avoid a duel and keep everyone's honor intact. And instead, he wrote back dismissively, quote, I have no other answer to you give than that which has already been given. Later, Nathaniel Pendleton said Alexander had made up his mind to duel long before the exchange of letters was over. Because he has nothing left to live for.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Yeah. And if anything, this can get him back in the public's view, right? A winner. And it works. Both Pendleton and William Venice, who's Burs guy, desperately try to convince each guy to make peace. neither Alexander nor Burr would bend and letters went back and forth and Burr's becoming more angry with every letter
Starting point is 01:07:30 Dude fuck off You son of a bitch You are such a fucking douchebag Ben Manass went to Pendleton To formally request a duel Ben-ass's Burr's guy It was set for two weeks out On July 11th
Starting point is 01:07:46 Because Alexander wanted to tie up some legal cases first Yes I just have to finish some stuff Before we do it I've got some paperwork. Don't worry. I plan on being there. Neither Alexander nor Burr had expected this would be the outcome twice before Burr had questioned Alexander about insulting his character, and both times Alexander apologized, and that's the end of it.
Starting point is 01:08:10 But this time he didn't, and Burr said he was tired of how Alexander had, quote, long indulged himself in illiberal freedoms with my character until it approached to humiliation, and he believed Alexander would never stop. You must want to kill him so bad. Yeah. Dude, I am going to shoot you so fucking hard in your throat. We had no family depending on him, but Alexander has seven kids. The youngest at this point is two.
Starting point is 01:08:39 Little Philip. And the sweet little Philip. Yeah, that is a little Philip. Little Philip boy. It's very uncomfortable. He's got a perfectly strong throat. No. Philip the one did not sleep on his tummy. Roll over.
Starting point is 01:08:57 It's time for you to go to work like Philip did. I'm three. Go to the job place. Go now. Hurry up. This is your wife. You're going to have babies with her now. That's your wife, Philip.
Starting point is 01:09:11 You love her. I don't want to marry this child. You wear a tie hat too. You're a good man. You're a man now, boy. you're a man I mean this is a good musical we've veered into a good musical
Starting point is 01:09:25 Philip two the Hamilton sequel I mean okay so if he dies it's like seven kids there's debt it's a fucking nightmare
Starting point is 01:09:44 so some scholars believe Alexander with depression was suicidal or his preoccupation with honor may have led him to duel. Before the duel, Alexander wrote that he had said, quote, extremely severe things about Burr, very unfavorable criticisms of the private conduct of this gentleman,
Starting point is 01:10:02 which bore very hard on Burr and that some were falsehoods. I may have lied a bit, but why not shoot the guns? Yep. I got nothing else going on. He wrote that he planned to, quote, throw away my first fire and I have thoughts of even reserving my second fire. No one knows
Starting point is 01:10:26 if that's what he intended to do, but that's in the book. He may have just wanted to protect his image or make Burr look bad. If he died, he'd look like a reluctant participant who was only interested in preserving his honor. Gareth Adelope
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Starting point is 01:13:12 So after accepting the duel, some people noticed Alexander seemed happier than usual. Do do do do do Got a duel Got a duel Well you seem happy today What's going on? Well I'm finally having a duel
Starting point is 01:13:25 Something to do What? Yeah See nobody likes me anymore Because I'm a huge piece of shit I've been real petty And all this stuff But finally I'm in a duel burr
Starting point is 01:13:33 And if he kills me I'll be a martyr And if I kill him Everyone will be like Ooh who's this hat shot Okay I'm back I'm back
Starting point is 01:13:43 You know it You know And the whole world just a bunch of mountain back to the dom to ding-bing diggy-dick-dick Dissid the bum set up chump the buggy My name is Camelton.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Ha! He pooped. He and Eliza hosted a very large ball and he sat at the same table as Byrd during an Independence Day dinner party. Hey, hey bitch! And was said to be happy and singing songs while Burr was quiet and gloomy.
Starting point is 01:14:16 For I'm a jollic a fellow, for I'm a jollic a fellow. Alexander resisted his friend's suggestions to prepare for the duel. I'm good. Two days before the duel, Alexander said goodbye to his wife. Take care. Won't miss you. Who knew nothing about his plans?
Starting point is 01:14:32 Oh, anyway, I got to go. Maybe you'll see around. Good luck with all the kids. And went into the city to stay at a townhouse. He wrote a will. This is beautiful. And hoping Eliza's family money would help see her through life. He wrote that he hoped his children would help pay back the people to whom he owed money.
Starting point is 01:14:48 That'd be great. It's been pretty embarrassing, to be honest with you. Little Philip, I know you're just two, but this is about you get really... I'm three. Well, whatever. You need a job, kid. You got to do a lot of stuff because dad's been bad. Your dad is dumb.
Starting point is 01:15:06 I'm a greedy, dumb piece of shit. You got to work hard. He also wrote a letter in which he said that America's, quote, real disease is democracy. All right? I'm letting you know the whole... thing you were founded on was a big fucking whoopsie. He called it poison that would lead to violence. The man, oh man, man, man, oh man.
Starting point is 01:15:32 I can't, I, listen, I plead. I just can't imagine listening to this series of episodes and still being like, it's a Broadway show. Stop. In the hours before the duel, he wrote a heartfelt letter to Eliza. He and Pendleton and a doctor walked to the docs. That's Penalton's his second in the duel. Right.
Starting point is 01:16:01 And a doctor walked to the docks at 5 a.m. rowing across the Hudson to Wee Hawkin. Burr was already there with Venice. Alexander and Burr greeted each other politely. But hello, how are you? What are you doing today? I'm having a duel. Good to see you.
Starting point is 01:16:16 It's kind of stressful. I'm also having a duel. Yeah, with you. Oh. A little joe. to like the mood. Okay. How's Peter?
Starting point is 01:16:25 He's fine. How's Philip? How are all the children that have died that you've renamed new ones with the name? Philip never died. He just came out whole again. I can't wait to shoot you in the face. I'm going to yell this is for you, Philip, too. Bristford.
Starting point is 01:16:51 I'm going to shoot you in the fill lip. How about that, dummy? I'm going to fill your lip with lead. Alexander chose the positions. Doggy. They were handed pistols. Bird did not know the pistols had hair triggers. He was not told that.
Starting point is 01:17:08 What does that mean? So it shoots really easy. You just tap it and it goes off. Alexander knew. So they review the rules. They were asked if they were ready and both responded, present and then the first shot was fired there's different versions of who shot first penelton said the pistols fired seconds apart days later he said burr had fired the first shot
Starting point is 01:17:34 and alexander's only shot after he had been shot from reflex Alexander was shot and fired after me shot like it cost him to shoot because it's a hair trigger um vanness said Alexander shot first and at burr and missed and burr stumbled then readied and shot and he hit alexander both seconds uh both seconds and several seconds elapsed between first and second shots and so sorry i'm saying again both the seconds said several seconds elapsed between the first and second shots so that's that they agree on and it seems I'm likely that it happened
Starting point is 01:18:19 as Pendleton said later. That's Alexander's guy. Right. Historian Andrew Burstein, quote, Hamilton brought the pistols, which had a larger barrel than regular dueling pistols and a secret hair trigger
Starting point is 01:18:34 and were therefore much more deadly. Hamilton gave himself an unfair advantage in their duel and got the worst of it anyway. But we never, we never will know. We're just not going to know. Either way,
Starting point is 01:18:50 Alexander was on the ground. Pendleton and Burr looked shocked and regretful. He tried to run to Alexander but was stopped by Venice who pushed him toward the waiting boat. And Burr yelled, quote, I must go and speak to him
Starting point is 01:19:04 before the boatman rode away. Wow. The doctor rushed to Alexander's side. Alexander said, quote, this is a mortal wound, doctor. I don't think. I think he said it like that. This is a mortal wound, doctor.
Starting point is 01:19:21 It was like this. This is a mortal wound, doctor. This is a mortal wound doctor. No, no, no. He was just like, it sucks. He's like, this is a mortal wound doctor. This is a mortal wound, doctor. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:19:42 No. It's not like a big like I think so No I think it's like a really freaked out I think he goes out No Big no No
Starting point is 01:19:50 Let's just shoot it again Let's not And I'll try to get it right This right All right All right Action This
Starting point is 01:20:00 Cut no Quickly he's dying He's freaking out Okay This This is a mortal wound Doctor Go back to one
Starting point is 01:20:10 I think I nailed that one Okay We'll use that The bullet had gone through his rib cage exploding through his liver and diaphragm and embedding in his spine. Now, if he had Charlie Kirk's bones... Stop it.
Starting point is 01:20:30 Sorry. They got him to the boat and he was taken to a bed in a nearby home and asked for Eliza. Hey, get me one more time. Can I see the neighbor lady? Is she available? No? Then give my wife. Are there any other...
Starting point is 01:20:45 Are there other hot pieces of ass nearby? If not, bring Eliza. But if there are, I'd love to just... Sniff a bivalve real quick. Tell her little Philip wants a home. She'll know what that means. Please, anything. When she saw him, she was inconsolable.
Starting point is 01:21:05 Alexander tried to calm her, repeating quote, Remember, my Eliza, you are a Christian. Don't forget. There's tons of... of debt and I'm leaving you with it. It's okay Jesus died on the cross for this. Don't worry. Philip's going to start working in a factory super soon.
Starting point is 01:21:20 I got him a job at four. I got Philip a job as a minor. Honey, can I say one more thing? This is a more gold. No, cut! Cut! The doctor gave him wine and allotnam for the pain.
Starting point is 01:21:40 A little more wine to be good. Let's go more than. More. Is there any more lobster? I'm going to put beetles in your eyes now. Okay, good. Thank you. Alexander's family was summoned, but he would only look at his crying children briefly before closing his eyes in despair until they left. Eliza's sister Angelica stood weeping by his side. He jerk me off.
Starting point is 01:22:01 You always wanted this, Angelica. Trick me off, Angelica. He's still the hotter one. He lingered between life and death for 31 hours and died in the afternoon on July 12, 1804 at 49 years old. peace Eliza lived another 50 years and worked she was younger
Starting point is 01:22:21 and worked her whole life to safeguard his legacy never remarrying worked so well she was a founder of New York's first private orphanage Burr's political future died with Alexander
Starting point is 01:22:34 he self-exiled to Europe for four years after being tried and cleared of treason he eventually returned to New York as a pariah having lost everyone close to him In death, Alexander's legacy has inspired differing opinions. He has fans in both Democrats and Republicans,
Starting point is 01:22:50 and the hit musical about his life that debuted on Broadway in 2015 increased interest in his story. Ron Chernow called him, quote, the prophet of the capitalist revolution in America. Yes. But major Hamilton scholar Joanne B. Freeman calls him, quote, an annoying, arrogant asshole. Yes. Worse, really.
Starting point is 01:23:15 Well, author Thomas DeLorenzo gives this take. Quote, The triumph of Hamiltonism has been mostly a curse on America. The political legacy of Alexander Hamilton reads like a catalog of the ills of modern government, an out-of-control, unaccountable, monopolistic bureaucracy in Washington, D.C., the demines of the Constitution. as a restraint on the federal government's powers, the end of the idea that citizens of the United States
Starting point is 01:23:50 should be the masters rather than the servants of their government. National debt, corporate welfare, and central economic planning and political control of the money supply, which have instigated boom and bus cycles in the economy. Alexander Hamilton was a brilliant mind with boundless energy and ambition, arguably no other founder has had a bigger impact on society than he has. But that impact has been almost universally negative from the perspective of those that would like to think of America as the land of the free.
Starting point is 01:24:28 I mean, that's the one. That's it. That's the one. I mean, yeah, it's obvious. I mean, we've talked about it throughout this, but it's just like, you know, you can't, there's no shot. If this is from pretty much the beginning, there's no shot. There's no chance. And I think the thing that we have been so hypnotized into believing for so long
Starting point is 01:24:57 that there are ways out of what's coming or out of this, you know, nightmare. And we are now being confronted daily and regularly with the idea that there actually isn't. and that would be something that would probably make a good musical. But instead, I mean, I really, I wonder how much, you know, I mean, if you're like someone who writes a musical about this guy that achieves such wild success. I mean, it is. It's like you're getting people who clearly have an open space in their minds available. for some sort of historical understanding
Starting point is 01:25:46 and you fill it with this sort of shit, are you ever able to confront the damage you've done? Probably not. So he probably lives in a world of delusion of this is okay because it's not like it ruins things necessarily or directly, but there is a correlation between believing in some fucking dumb shit like this and where we are now. I mean, he's so Trumpy, Stephen Millery.
Starting point is 01:26:19 Yeah, he's terrible. All that shit. And it's like, that's just fucking crazy. It's like the cherry on top is that he gets a musical about how great he is. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There's the fourth horseman.
Starting point is 01:26:32 Written by Brittany Cohen Brown. Jefferson and Hamilton, the rivalry that forged a nation by John Furling, radical Hamilton, economic lessons from a misunderstood. founder by Christian Parenti. The Price of Greatness, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and the creation of American oligarchy by Jay Cost, the Whiskey Rebellion,
Starting point is 01:26:51 George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, and the frontier rebels who challenged America's newfound sovereignty by William Hogland, not a nation of immigrants, settler, colonialism, white supremacy, and a history of Eurasia, an exclusion by Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz. Hamilton's curse, how Jefferson's arch enemy betrayed the American Revolution by Thomas D. Lorenzo.
Starting point is 01:27:11 Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow, The Hamilton Scheme, an epic tale of money and power in the American founding by William Hogland. Fallen founder, The Life of Aaron Burr by Nancy Eisenberg, One Nation under debt, Hamilton, Jefferson, and the history of what we owe by Robert Wright. Dual Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr, and the Future of America by Thomas Fleming. A nodius and immoral thing by Jesse Sir Philippi, Schuller Mansion State Historic Site. the time when Alexander Hamilton almost dueled James Monroe, Smithsonian Magazine Online by Cassandra Good,
Starting point is 01:27:47 Alexander Hamilton, Inslaver. New Research says yes, The New York Times Online by Jennifer Schusler, the pistol that killed a founding father by the New York Times Historic, New York's Historical Society, and various primary sources available on founders.archives.gov. Great job. Good job, Brittany.
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