The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 745 - The Zoot Suit Riots
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My father's dead.
You killed you.
They think that I'm shiny.
I am a pie man.
I'm Pete Rose.
and I only go to Gold's gym, this one specifically.
Rumor is that his penis is broke.
And show up where the Taco Bar was.
His brain just fucking exploded.
River of cheese.
You've been drinking any gnome juice?
No, officer.
My dad had a fart chair.
Hey, cover me.
You're listening to the dial-up on the All Things Comedy Network.
This is an American History podcast, or each week I,
Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a guy.
to a great guy, to a hell of a guy,
Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about.
Yeah, you do.
No, I don't.
Yeah, you do.
Come on.
We're hanging in there, everybody.
You don't know.
Dave doesn't give you the scripts ahead of time.
No.
Because that would ruin it.
Yeah.
That's why I would ruin it.
Yeah, it would ruin it.
It'd be so much, I'm hacky as is.
Can you imagine me with, like, being able to go through notes and be like,
I'll probably do a British.
guy there.
Perfect for
I'll actually,
you know what I'll do?
I'll do that old bit.
Oh yeah,
the old guy?
That's what I'll do.
No, not the old guy.
Not the old man.
Well,
yeah, there he is.
Yeah.
Maybe I'll do,
you know what I'm going to do
the old guy this one.
There's going to be no time for it.
There's no old guy.
There's no old guy in.
There's no old guy in this.
Doesn't have to be in there.
I'll figure it out.
There's literally no place for an old person in this.
I'm excited for those to go full-been.
This whole thing.
This is the stand-by-me story.
I just watched the end of that the other day
Did just the end?
Yeah
Interesting take
Yeah I only watch the end
And I stand by it
Are you on Kiefer Sutherland side or
The body
You're on the body side
I'm on the body side at the end
I'm on the train side
Interesting
I'm on Corey Feldman's dad's side
Yeah that's fair
It's nice
Deep cuts
Deep and dirty cuts
September 1919
Year of our low
J-Town
You know
No
You know what
Jay Town's human father's name was, right?
J-Town's human's father's name?
Yeah
Brosef
Did you know that?
No
His name was Brosef.
He's a big frisbee guy.
Here's what we're not going to do.
We're not going to start talking about
about that.
He taught J-Town how to jump on a dirt bike.
like do the dirt bike tricks and stuff
and all the dirt bike stuff that he does now
anyway, RIP, good fellow, the
dad, brosso, good guy.
December 19th,
1919, sorry.
Durango Mexico.
You think you said September.
Whatever, December. It's all the same.
What the fuck is going? You got so caught up in your brosive stuff.
Now we're in a couple months in the future.
I don't think I ever said that.
And there's no tape proof that I did.
Durango Mexico.
Jose Diaz was born
to a butcher, turned farmer,
and he was raised in poverty.
Okay.
So it sounds like that wasn't the right move.
It should have stayed a butcher.
Yep.
Killing animals never goes out of business.
Well, you know, his grandpa was like,
well, oh no, now you're not going to have any money.
Now did you say you would shoehorn it in or actually organically put it?
I didn't say either way.
I told you it was coming.
Yeah.
Maybe you should go back to being a home.
a butcher.
Like a lot of Garis' comedy, inappropriate stuff crammed in.
Also his lovemaking.
May I cram you?
No, sir.
Let me go cramming.
They call me crampa.
In nice, Jesus Christ, that's actually a good video.
In 1923, we should, there it is.
There's our porn page, crampaw.
Cranpa.
Yeah.
Oh.
May I push it?
That's got to be a lot of people's thing, right?
What?
A old guy cramming it?
No.
I think we will find that it's going to be, that would be a niche and people will be like.
I love crampo.
How about a crampi?
You ever heard of crampaw issues?
Crampa.
Oh.
In 1923, Jose's family migrated to California, along with millions of refugees fleeing local strongmen
and a terrible drought that left up to three.
force of all crops withered.
Man, I'll tell you, I just hate it when people's countries' crops collapse and they go looking for a safe place.
Remember that.
You got to put them in jail.
Remember that.
His father followed the farm labor circuit.
Quote, lettuce and salinas, grapes and pylia, oranges in Ontario, cotton and fireball, fireball, and plums in Santa Clara.
Beautiful.
Beautiful stuff.
Five years later, when Jose was nine, they settled in what was a rural area in L.A. County, and now is the city of Bell.
Bong, bong.
Bell is like southeast of downtown L.A.
Okay, sure. Whatever.
Not as far as Downey.
Don't even get to be started on Downey.
Yeah, I hear you.
They lived in a compound for ranch hands on the Williams Ranch.
other migrants pretty much
all Mexican
except for one Italian family
And there was the old guy
No
It's everyone that is under 30
Everyone's under 30
My bed anymore
Everyone's under 30
May I have a go with your wife
What the fuck?
Cranpa
gonna get inside of it
Oh
That's the worst thing you've ever said
It's the worst thing
Are you inside of it?
Grandpa, that's an orange.
All done.
Okay.
I've made creamsicle.
The village celebrated weddings, birthdays, and even funerals together, so it's a big community, right?
Sure.
I love a funeral celebration.
The night of August 1st, 1941, they were having a big birthday party for Victoria del Gadillo's 20th birthday.
You okay?
Yeah.
Something got my throat right there.
Live music, beer, and beautiful...
I got a solution.
What's that?
Slick it up.
Get it nice and juicy.
Hey, we have officially come up with the worst character on this show ever.
Hey, hey.
No, look, I'm part of it.
Give me the stories early.
Now I'm part of it.
I threw the idea out there.
What is it?
What's in your head?
I think I have a snail.
A little baby snail.
A lot of drips.
So, you know, they're having a big party.
Live music beer, beautiful women, dancing with guys.
Yeah, the whole thing.
During the band's intermission, around 11 p.m.,
a group of white boys from Downey showed up uninvited and got rowdy when the beer ran out.
Sounds about right.
They yelled at the host to get some more goddamn beer and were quickly thrown out.
Okay.
Around the corner was the sleepy lagoon, which was a popular spot for kids to make out
and do heavy petting, do the petting, you know?
Hell yeah.
The heaviness.
Oh, yeah.
A group of youths from what was then 38th Street, so near Dodger Stadium, were there doing the heavy pets.
Grinding.
Grinding, getting the pets on.
You know, hump them with your clothes on.
Yeah.
Remember that?
Finger stuff.
Man, humping with your clothes on?
Remember that?
Yeah.
Oof.
Ouch.
They parked their cars and were about to get out when three guys in a model.
Adelae Ford slowly drove by yelling obscenities in Spanish and English.
One of the 38th Street boys, Henry Levas, shouted back.
And then the couple split up and walked around the lagoon to find a quiet place to do some necking and heavy petting.
Get the pets on.
Very heavy.
H.Js.
Like you get yourself a little bit like great.
You go there, you take a hamster out of your pocket.
You just fucking pet that hamster.
Oh.
Around 30 minutes later, the romance was shattered by what sounded like a fight happening.
Hmm.
So they rushed back from their spots that they were at to their cars to find Henry and his girlfriend, Dora, being savagely beaten by about 16 men.
And one shouted at Henry, quote, we will take you guys on any time you want to.
Okay.
Doris screamed for them to stop hitting him as she held him onto Henry
and the attack stopped as their friends came running up.
But just momentarily, several then knocked Gilbert Mendoza to the ground with clubs
and kicked him several times.
Then they threw him in the water.
These are white guys?
White guys are fighting, yeah.
I think it's the white guys.
It is.
Yeah, it's the guy from down here.
Then they knocked Gilbert Mendoza to the ground with clubs and kicked him several times.
they threw him in the water. Bobby Tellis was badly beaten with a beer bottle. Half of the group chased Manny Delgado and Gus Zamora as about five returned to Henry and Dora who had crawled into their car for safety. And then they attacked him in the car, hitting them and kicking them until someone in their group finally pulled them off because it was too much.
Jesus Christ. You know it's a bad one. The white guy's like, hey. Yay enough. Come on. Stop it.
A man he sprinted off but was caught and knocked
into an irrigation ditch and then muddy and wet.
He got up and kept running until he got into a cornfield.
There he found Gus in the corn and they waited for a while.
And then when they came out, the attackers were gone.
And Henry told them that these guys were from the Downey Gang.
So the 38th Street kids went home and rallied their boys.
That's the Downey Gang.
No.
No, that's the R.
30th Street is the ones who just got beat up by the Downing game.
Right.
And then they headed for Victoria Del Cadillo's birthday party to get revenge.
Because that's where the Downey Boys are, I guess.
So Henry led the Mexican and Mexican-American kids to the spot.
And 22-year-old Jose Diaz was at the party, drunk off his ass.
It was his last night before he was going to report to the Recruitment Center to enlist in the war.
He didn't have to join up.
He was born in Mexico, but he chose to go fight for his adopted country because he felt it was the right thing to do.
Fool.
Yeah.
Long term.
Oopsie.
Jose and some other guys wrapped it up and left the party.
Not far away.
Jose was jumped.
Arms, clubs, feet hit him from all sides.
He fell onto the road and was stabbed twice in the stomach with an ice pick.
Oh, my God.
Jesus Christ.
Just trying to get the ice.
That's all that's going on there.
Like a lot of people
would be like self-defense, was it aggressive,
but if you're trying to get the ice out of a guy's tummy,
use an ice pick.
God damn. That's just sick.
Ice-picking a stomach.
Not great.
No.
The next events happen within moments of each other.
So Henry and a group of 638 Street boys
stormed the gate to the party.
two young women from the 38th Street heard screams and ran to see what it was quote they found a bruise and bloody young man groaning slowly and lying face down in the dirt betty fell to her knees and turned him over onto his back cradled his bloody face in her lap and tried to wake him up it was ozadee
at the party henry shouted over the fence quote where are the boys that said they were going to beat us up oh you woman yelled back there is nobody
here, everybody has gone home.
Something about
one of the men looking out at Henry triggered
rage, and some historians think
he may have
looked like one of the men who attacked him
earlier when he was in his car with the owner.
Some think he grabbed an improvised
weapon to defend himself. Either way,
it all went nuts.
The boys ran through the gate.
One of them accidentally sent the man's
wife tumbling to the dirt,
knocked her out cold. A woman
raised a beer bottle to smash one of the
toes.
Here's to rush again. Oh, gosh, never mind.
A woman raised a beer bottle
to smash one of the 38th Street boys, but his wife shouted
quote, you can't hit my old man like that and grappled
with her. The boy saw his lady in a
fight and hit the woman partygoer in the face.
38th Street girls pounced on the female
partygoers slashed in her with a beer bottle and tore out
chunks of her hair. So it's kicking off.
Yeah. At the same time,
38 street kids who didn't go inside started vandalizing guest cars outside.
That's where I'd be.
That's the move.
100%.
Don't worry.
A key two Chevys.
How many did you kill?
Smashing them with rocks and shooting their tires with a 22 rifle.
Back in the house, a 38th street boy punched the birthday girl's sister in the face.
Holy shit.
And her dad came to her defense, screaming, coward.
and then he got popped in the chin and flew back through the kitchen door.
Holy shit.
And then the violence ended as quickly as it began when someone shouted,
police, police.
And the 38th Street kids ran to their cars and sped off.
The party hosts started looking outside of their property for anyone who was hurt.
And there they found Jose Diaz, quote, lying face up in the middle of a rutted dirt road
with his pockets turned inside out.
It's not good.
It's not great.
Jose and his brother got to the hospital around 3 a.m., quote,
the attending physician diagnosed Jose with this cerebral concussion,
noting that on his face was an abrasion with a large swelling just above his nose,
and that he was still bleeding from inside his left ear.
On his body were two stab wounds near his diaphragm,
and at the bottom of his breastbone,
and a finger on his left hand was broken.
an hour and a half after he entered the hospital, Jose Diaz quietly died.
Oh, my God.
Jesus Christ.
Well, Squarespace is just a...
Oh, sorry, have we're doing the air?
No, it's sad time.
Rocket.
Fucking, hey.
Well, that's...
Big start.
Yeah, it's a bold open.
Is this a two-parter?
No, that's the whole thing.
It's really a bummer.
This is a three-parter.
Oh, shit.
So it's just starting.
Yeah, right.
That's just the beginning.
Okay.
So it doesn't get, it doesn't get huge headlines, although it is on the front page of LA Times.
Well, it's tough because, like, look, he's from Mexico, but he was American.
No, that's exactly right.
It's a Mexican thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's on the front page, but it's folded into an article about street fights in East L.A.
Sure.
Quote, the tone of reporting revealed concern over growing violence on Los Angeles,
but did not suggest any particular alarm at one more Mexican casualty.
So they're like, things are getting a little crazy down there.
Look, this could spread to whites.
Yes.
That could be a problem.
Soon after, California's governor ordered L.A. County law enforcement to crack down on street violence and youth gangs.
Battle, we continue to wage, and we will figure out how to stop all these assholes from just trying to shut down.
you know, what's going pretty good.
Pretty good.
Things are pretty good.
And if you go to, you know, if you see the way the cops act in downtown L.A.,
you'll see that it's pretty good.
Yeah.
Where it, you know, we're getting close.
We're nearing figuring this out.
Yeah, we almost got.
I think my one note for the, maybe a little more gear.
Yes.
You know, if we could just put a couple more things on them, you know, I showed you
video a couple weeks ago, that guy who built
the indestructible suit
that could be attacked by a bear
or enormous bar could be dropped
from a tree and hit him. I think
something like that would be pretty good.
Now you're getting into like a robocop
territory? Yeah, but bulkier.
Because right now they just don't have
enough stuff. The only thing about
Robocop is that he didn't have enough equipment
on him. He just had the hands
that were... Yeah, and he
was too tall. I like
my cop-rod-3-8. Yeah.
Three eight, kind of a Napoleon thing going on.
Well, now you're getting into like robot dog territory.
Yeah, in many ways they are that, you know.
I don't know.
It seems cool to be like part of a group like that.
They seem to be doing good.
Yeah.
Yeah, they really are.
Sure.
We're fine.
Yeah, it's fine and it's going to be fine.
It's going to get finer.
Mm-hmm.
So the governor orders the county, the county cops,
to crack down on street violence and youth gangs,
and Jose's murder investigation went from just another
Brown killed, killed on the streets
to a major media event.
Quote, in the months that followed,
Californians would again revive the discourse
on the Mexican problem.
Oh, funny.
I did, rope a dope.
I did think we were going in the other direction.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, I kind of thought maybe you were going to say
that, you know, people started feeling empathy
towards the...
really did
and debate whether Mexican citizens
and their American-born children
were culturally, politically,
intellectually, and biologically capable
of living within a white,
civilized democratic society.
Wow, really hitting every angle there.
Every, every...
The biology.
A whole thing.
The biology of a Mexican is inferior.
No, no, hold on.
Jose's murder happened at a peculiar time in Los Angeles,
The police force was reduced due to World War II.
God.
What a time.
We're the only positive about war.
Well, it's like that's what sucks about the wars now.
It's just drones and, you know, bombs.
Man, when it was boots on the ground, you'd be like, god damn it, there's a lot less cops.
Like, fucking hell you.
Public confidence in the LAPD was also staggeringly low.
The sentiment was everywhere.
but particularly bad in working-class neighborhoods where the people straight up did not respect the cops or their orders.
Quote, openly challenging the authority of the police.
Yeah.
If you can imagine a time in L.A.
Imagine.
Like the two unmasked police cars who answered a Sunday evening call in July about a craps game in Boyle Heights.
Oh, God.
Which for some reason was directly across the street from the L.A. County Hospital.
Four plain close cops stormed in, flashed their badges, and broke it up.
Quote, two of the spectators, a serviceman and his wife, protested loudly as the officers dragged gamblers back toward their unmarked cars.
Hurling epitaphs at the police, the man and a woman urged the crowd of spectators to rescue their arrested comrades.
A boisterous thong of mostly Mexican Americans
charged a police,
cutting them off from their one car with a radio,
and the overwhelmed officers tried to arrest whoever they could.
But as soon as they managed to push someone into the police car,
members of the crowd yanked open the door on the other side of the car
and allowed the person to escape.
No!
No! Come on!
It's like a tunnel now.
Now!
Yeah, there's a nice little lesson in there.
You can't flood the market like you used to.
There's so many now, but it's still possible.
Well, now they also, there's video happening all the time.
So if you help someone get out of a car, they'll find out who you are.
Yeah.
During the melee, the riders doused the policeman with Coldwater and tore their clothing,
and one officer's hand was slashed by a sharp instrument.
new mayor
Fletcher Bowerin
won the election
in part due to his plan
to reorganize the police department
I knew it. It's just never good.
The LAPD embraced
the policy of moving
the police from being a reactive
enforcer of the law to a
proactive force.
Proactive policing is always the best.
Absolutely. No.
Stop those future crimes.
Yeah.
This preventative enforcement
Brought about a type of...
Preventative policing is...
If that doesn't scare you...
Well, it's always just a way to stop brown people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's all it.
Or just anyone.
I mean, anyone who supports brown people
or is trying to go for anything
that affects the upper crust,
you know, like,
people who are like, hey,
flock cameras are help,
but you just like...
I don't even know what to say to people
when they say that.
Well, don't you want safe streets?
Not like...
No.
No, not anymore.
I'm fine.
Not anymore.
I'm good.
No, I don't want them anymore.
By the way, I've never been out on the street and had a problem in my town.
I don't even feel like I don't know.
I'll tell you what I've never wanted the police to be able to do is like,
know what I'm talking about in my car.
That's never been something where I'm like, oh, yeah.
Like if they start to realize what we're talking about when we drive by them,
we're in a lot of trouble.
Yeah, we are.
Because every time you drive by a cop, you're like, you fucking squealer.
Okay, so the preventative enforcement brought about a type of racial profiling leading to worst relations with minorities, the majority of whom are Mexican or Mexican descent, right?
Right.
Shortly after Jose's death, the LAPD, quote, conducted mass dragnets throughout the neighborhoods of Los Angeles, targeting those areas heavily populated by Mexicans and African Americans.
Hmm.
I wonder if they'll find more crimes there.
Seems like they might
Literally never stopped
No, it just like
You know, it's just like breathing
It's like sometimes it's retracting a little bit
And then only for it to have more expansion shortly thereafter
They hauled in over 600 young men and women
And the press hailed the police as heroes
Oh fucking I
We did it
Quote
Hundreds of innocent young men and women
from Central and Eastern LA were rounded up during the period,
finger-preaded and booked.
It was a show of force designed to reassure the white middle class
that the wartime police force was indeed capable of maintaining law and order
among the working class youth who were too poor, too dark-skinned,
or too aesthetically different for a mainstream LA preoccupied with wartime security
and conformity to understand.
You know, white society,
and their law enforcement is essentially are carons at a public pool asking strangers for ID.
It's all Karening. It's all, oh my God, you're fishing in my pond.
Yeah. How did you get here? I've never seen you around here before. What's your address?
You're not allowed to fish in this pond unless you live here. Do you live here?
And I love one, I love now when you have full, like when you, when someone is able to tell the cops what they're allowed to do and knows it.
And the cops like, all right.
Eventually they're just like, 10 minutes
then like, you sure you really have no interest?
And they're just like, all right,
I'll see you later.
Okay, bye.
Bye.
Fuck you.
I guess you read a book.
Go fucker fucker.
An example of a typical experience was that of a young man named Angel Padilla.
He was rushed into an interrogation room where four cops fired questions at him
and Padilla refused to squeal so the cops started slapping him and punching him.
One punch he knocked him off his chest.
chair and the cop yelled quote sit down so we can hit you some more so he did and the cop kept
going quote you mexicans think you're you're smart you guys never fight fair
the irony is just like fucking off the fucking chart oh my god
oh god almighty they do they really lather themselves up when they're like
beating someone and then they
like they flip a switch where they
just are mad at how the person is receiving
beatings and then they beat them more
you're just like man there is
like we should just have like
dads just ready to hug
cops when they're getting like come here boy
come on right over here. I love you. Come on up. Come here. You're okay.
You're okay. You're okay. You're okay. You're okay. Daddy's here. You're okay.
And he shoots him from within the hug.
That's great.
Nine dads killed today trying to hug cops.
Another said, we ought to shoot every Mexican dog like you.
Well, they do like to shoot dogs.
That is true.
The head of foreign relations for the sheriff's department testified before a grand jury
that Mexican-American youths shared the same, quote,
Careful.
Total disregard for human life.
that the Aztecs displayed in performing human sacrifices.
Can we just give a cop credit for knowing what Aztecs are?
Well, look, we dug deep into this one,
and we have established that the Mexican has a very similar code of conduct
to that of the sacrificial Aztec people.
The Mexican believes that if they sacrificed a white,
the son of God and the,
The children of the sky will come down and bless them with a cup of eternal life
that they will get by drinking the blood of their enemies from a skull of their mother.
So it's pretty straightforward stuff.
If I could summarize, they're dirty, dirty people?
They are animals.
Which they still do.
They still do the way that they'll be, you know, sometimes the shit.
Like, I mean, Jesse Waters on TV at night just being like,
Mexicans are fucking dogs.
Yeah.
It's like, okay.
Are we really?
Yes, we are.
He's like, I'm being funny.
Like Fox News has tried to, and it's sort of working,
turn itself into a comedy channel.
It really is.
It's crazy.
Like, it's kind of leaned into this idea.
And at night, we're racist, but a little goofy.
We're a little goofy racist at night.
It's where we get on TV and we like, you know.
We do zing hiles and we make little jokes.
and we're like sexist fox.
We're like Bob hoping it past 6 p.m.
There's a lot of people that cruise in to watch Gutfeld.
They travel from out of town.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Really crazy.
A lot of comics just fucking going on there and just kissing the ring.
Dead to me.
Kissing the ring.
It helps their sales.
I know a couple who are like, yeah, definitely like, my soul.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not going to feel good.
By the way, that audience, they're dying.
Oh no, I read that.
Yeah, they're all day.
Enjoy it now.
Enjoy it now. Enjoy your 60-year-olds.
I continue on with his quote.
All he knows and feels is a desire to kill or at least to let blood.
They are Sun-Raws.
They are a country of Sun-Raz.
They believe they get a planet if they kill enough.
What?
He added his testimony with, quote,
whenever the Mexican element
receives swift and pure punishment,
he then, and only then, respects authority.
By the way,
never worked,
even, okay, let's say your premise is true.
Never worked ever.
No, no corporal punishment has ever led to
the sophistication of society
or the peace emerging.
No.
And again, that was the head.
of foreign relations. Whites cannot be comfortable.
When they get comfy and they're fully driving the car, it's like, Jesus.
They can't be uncomfortable either.
No, they can't be. Well, their comfort is discomfort.
They're always, no matter what, whether they're driving or someone else is giving backseat
direct, no matter what it is, like, I will drive.
Yeah. Then they're right.
Sure.
Again, that was the head of foreign relations for the sheriff's department.
Right.
Head of foreign relations.
Correct.
On top of this situation, there were thousands of military men stationed in and around greater
Los Angeles, which added a very transient and unstable population into this mix.
These men were often from the deep south or other areas of the country without a large
or visible Mexican population.
So they saw the American born...
Look at all these Aztecs.
They saw the American-born Latino young man as a problem.
that needed to be dealt with, not Americans they're supposed to protect.
Right.
So this is before the South unburdened itself of racism.
That's correct.
Right.
Since 1940, tensions had increased as soldiers and sailors temporarily stayed in L.A.
on their way to deployment.
Interesting.
Quote, Mexican-American youths aggressively challenged the intrusion of white military men
to their social spaces as they passed through L.A. by the thousands.
Their failure to conform came from a direct refusal to accept the racialized norms of segregated America.
Right. So they're not, they haven't learned the lesson yet, right?
Right. Because they're, I mean, it's such a heavy Mexican-American population in L.A.
it's not like other places where a minority is a small, small group.
It's a big fucking group.
And so they're like, go fuck yourself.
I'm doing my thing over here.
I'm good.
Go fuck yourself.
So that led to a certain attitude and how they dressed in their attitudes became like,
they're like, see, look at them.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Right, right.
So it's self-fulfilling in a way.
They're like, they have problems.
They seem to have beef with us.
Yeah.
Yes.
I'm not sure what it is.
I don't know what's going on with them, but they're not right.
So they danced to jazz.
They wore...
Disgusting.
Just like the Aztecs.
Wore colorful clothes.
Ah, no.
And refused to back down to the oppressive whiteness that dominated the city.
So, I mean, okay, so now I'm starting to come around to the white side a little bit.
Now I'm hearing the way, I didn't know they were wearing colors.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, man, it's a bit aggressive.
I agree.
That and jazz.
Thank you.
A name of more violent music than jazz.
I can't think of one.
Just getting all rowdy.
You know, you go, excuse me.
Yeah.
They go home.
They toss on a jazz album.
Right.
Next thing you know, they're wearing a bunch of red.
It's not good.
Slashing throats.
Yeah, it's just, it's a slippery slope.
Yeah.
They became known derogatorily as Pachucos.
Hmm.
And it started as a slur, but then they embraced it.
Okay.
By the way, that's the way to go.
We don't like that.
So when you all do that to our slurs, that is tough for us, okay?
Do not take the power back from us.
It always works the best.
It's just great.
We're like, now hold on a minute.
Hold on a minute.
That's our word for you.
It's like queer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They just grab that shit and they're like, we'll take that.
No.
That's one of my face.
That's so true.
It is.
It's the way you handle it.
It's got to embrace it.
It's so funny, but they're like, I heard a couple of them.
Queer saying queer the other day.
Yeah, we queering it up over here.
I'm worried about the power.
We got to come up with new words.
It can be hard when we burned all those books.
Huh?
And then there was also yellow journalism, which creates hysteria.
Let's throw that in the mix.
Hysteria.
Good.
So, and so the particular.
Pichucos are just talking back to all whites.
They'd fight them to protect their culture and social spaces.
The Pachucos are, like, proud of what they are and where they're going.
And they'll fucking fight you if you encroach on their shit.
So with the yellow journalism, the threat of Pachucco's is insanely over-exaggerated.
Quote, so few Mexican-Americans actually fit the stereotype of the Pachuco that for all practical purposes,
the public discourse on the so-called Pachuco menace reveals more about public anxieties over assertive non-white use than it does about an actual Mexican-American subculture.
It's a little how Bill Maher views Islam.
It's one of those.
Absolutely.
Mark Twain, award-winning Bill Mark views Islam.
I wonder if it's like a cholo, which is like, it's a very specific thing.
it's not a huge thing
but it's out there
and they fucking love their culture
so I wonder if it's like that
level of like
percentage of the population
well it's also
you know it is it's
you know connected to
how racist are the whites
not at all
so if the more racist we are
the more that you know
we're not racist
no not racist sorry
proud
yes thank you
we're a bunch of proud boys
Pachuco actually had multiple definitions, some totally contradictory.
In L.A. it meant Hick from El Paso, but in El Paso it met Dandy from L.A.
That's got to be. That's tough in El Paso.
Look at Pachucco. You must be looking at a mirror, Pachucco.
You're the Pachuco.
Never forget going to El Paso Nguyen up.
That's where I found out.
I'm like, wait, you guys hate L.A.
You guys hate L.A. Mexicans are like, fuck, yeah, fuck, damn.
And I'm like, what's going on?
Yeah.
Sometimes when you've got to like, you've got to, you're like, oh, what kind of
racism is everyone practicing here?
They're like, they make us look bad.
I'm like, all right.
Yeah.
No, I'm fucking, I'm with you guys.
I've never been a fan of them.
They've been very, quite difficult.
So the suits that they wore became the main object of hatred against
the Pichukos, known as Zoot Suits.
Who's wearing those?
The Pichukos.
The Pichukos are wearing Zoot suits.
So Zoothoos came out of...
White colorful.
They came out of black culture.
Yeah.
Jazz, black jazz culture.
Malcolm X era, right?
Yes.
And probably with the Pachucos from El Paso via the drug trade.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
So that's where the mixing happened.
Where there was jazz, there's drugs.
And in pre-war America,
those drugs probably came across the border.
Sounds fucking great.
Yeah.
That's where I'd want to be if you...
Yeah.
Even though the press went crazy about the zoot-suited up angry youth,
pretty much now we think it was less than 5% of Mexican Americans who would dress that way in a flashy suit.
And it's probably even less than that.
But jazz was popular with the kids, which by the 40s was demonized and racialized so that,
the whites used it as a signifier
for crime, wild sex,
and drug use. God.
It's so great that rock and roll, they were like,
oh, I have us a blow.
Shit.
But did every...
Let's go back to jazz.
And I have never done this, but I was going to do
some episodes on the different reactions
to the, like, ragtime.
It's all the same.
Yeah.
Rock.
Every single time it's the same.
They lose, yes, rap.
Whites lose their fucking minds
when a new type of music begins.
popular.
No, they just
lose their
fucking minds.
It's crazy.
It's fucking hysterical.
I mean,
it's just,
it's,
I just,
like,
again,
there are,
you know,
there's people you know who you're like,
this person should be in therapy and stuff.
If you're talking about races that just need to get into some like
couples counseling,
like get the whites on a couch together for a minute and be like,
let's get it out there.
What's going on?
But it's not,
it's not all,
whites.
No.
It's very specifically driven by
religious conservative whites.
That's where it always starts.
Yeah, right.
But they're whites.
I mean...
The rest of the whites don't help.
They'll fail easily.
William Davenport wrote
in Collier quote,
it's a magazine, I think. Sure.
The zoot suit is strictly Filipino houseboy
on his day off.
Go ahead. What does that even mean?
it over.
What does that even mean?
Just think about it.
Filipino house boy on his day off.
Are we anti-Philippino house boys?
That sounds like a pretty fine guy.
I think so.
I think they're,
no,
but I think they're saying like
he is not well behaved
on his day off or...
Yeah, it's called the day off.
Nobody is.
You're a day off.
You're a piece of shit.
You're supposed to be.
Day offs are for bonn rips.
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The trend tested what was deemed safe to wear in public at the time.
Safe to wear in public.
So it mixed gender styles and it made brash statements about the flamboyance,
which is it's a drab post-depression now World War II era.
So it's everything's, everything's,
White people didn't really freak out over Studio 54.
They were kind of like, whatever.
But at a second, the non-whites are wearing, like, funny suits.
Like, get back.
Excuse me.
Hold on.
Be-ba-ba-ba-ba.
A little big, isn't it?
So in World War II, there are rigid laws against overconsumption of everything, including fabric.
So it's, it is based on, like, a world-ward sacrifice and rationing.
Right, right.
Quote.
By the way.
Can you imagine?
No.
No.
We could never...
Meet once a week.
We'd eat you.
We could literally never do a World War type type ration ever again.
No.
We are too...
We are so individualizing.
It's insane.
Crazy.
Quote, the Zoot produced a striking silhouette exaggerating the upper male body by highlighting
wide shoulders and tapering dramatically down to what Davenport described as a
girlish waist snug as a pre-war girdle.
So it's like a triangle.
Imagine if Tim Burton designed America.
It's a top triangle.
Yeah.
From the midsection down, it had more of an overt symbol of female fashion in the length
and shape of the jacket skirt.
The jacket flared from the waist to the knees.
It could be worn by men or women.
On men, the jacket hid the flowing.
pleaded pants that flared at the knees and angled dramatically down to a tight fit around the ankles.
A jazz man quote, at the ankles, the smaller the hipper you were.
At the ankles, the smaller, the hipper you were.
Right.
So you want to have tight ankles.
Tight, tight ankles.
Yeah.
Look, it doesn't sound comfortable.
No, it sounds terrible.
But it's the look.
Yeah.
And everyone's like, oh, my God.
Fashion is not about comfort.
No, never has been.
Look at us.
Look at you.
Not us.
look at you.
Can't really see me.
Upon seeing...
I'm certainly white.
Upon seeing the zootsuit, or as it's West Coast brother was known as the drape.
The drape.
Two journalists called it, quote,
rather remarkable spectacle and the oddest phenomenon of the new brand of California Nightlife.
So it just looks to whites, it's like, what in the fuck?
And also, it's just like...
Why is this idea of like you're segregating improperly?
You're not supposed to be the ones having fun.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
We were very clear.
Don't go to our restaurants, but also don't, you're creating a whole culture, which, no.
You're supposed to be over there looking poor.
Please go over there and eat beans quietly like we would love.
Eastern Zooters.
Oh, no.
Try to outdo each other with the most eye-catching.
suit from a conservative shark skin gray to an ostentatious lime green and bright oranges
or mixed plaids with chalk stripes that were known as ripe stripes.
Those colors shouldn't be mixing.
Malcolm X said his first suit suit was, quote, just wild.
It was a sky blue coat that pinched his waist and flared out below his knees.
That's a funny picturing him in that.
It is really funny.
He's like such a sort of intense looking figure, but that he's like.
he's also just like, I'm going to go out as a kite.
Tonight I'll be wearing a kite.
What's his name?
Spike Lee had a Zutsu dance number
in the Spike Lee movie, which is one of the worst.
One of the worst off-putting scenes I've ever seen a film, but, you know, whatever.
But I remember it for how bad that was.
It was just like all of a sudden you're like, what are you doing?
No, I mean, again, like,
you just
gotta hand it to
the white power structure
that constantly finds ways
to be like
well our days are numbered
just looking for things to be mad
always well now they're wearing big suits
now and I think so
I mean we really are just Karen's
crazy
just at the pool like
no splashing excuse me
no man when you get into
when you get locked into a Karen
them on Instagram.
It's fucking wild.
You got to get out.
You got to get out of it.
It just doesn't stop.
You got to get out of it.
You got to get out of it.
It's crazy.
Well, what's crazy is how much
Karen's love Mexican food.
And they're just like going into Mexican restaurants like,
can I see your papers?
Because they said wet burrito.
There is also a whole fucking subgenre of them getting mad at people
fishing at ponds.
It's so crazy.
that's just
now that you are deep
you're deep
I mean Karen's at Ponds
Oh my God
That sounds like a subgenre
You're not allowed to fish here
Yeah
It's either it's either I didn't know that
I'll stop or
Or oh no
I live here
No you don't
Why don't you think I live here
Not because you're black
Yeah they're very careful there
I like when they start filming
Yes
Like what are you doing
film right back. Yeah, what, you're being a
fucking racist psychopath.
I'm also filming the black man.
It's okay, but you just said the
N-word on his footage. It's so great
when they get up at it getting arrested though.
I mean, it's so great.
I saw one
where, because
there's the guy,
some guy in Vegas
and like there was like some dude
was rapping on the street in Vegas and as some
dude's getting arrested, he was giving him shit,
he just starts doing a freestyle about how that guy's
going to jail the night.
Like, you're going to jail?
I can't remember how it goes.
But now that that song will always play under those.
It's so good.
Oh, no, because you're going to jail.
Because you're going to jail.
So good.
In March 1942, the War Production Board issued Order L85,
which established the maximum measurements for men's suits and pants.
Oh, my God.
And restricted the fashion police?
The actual fashion police existed.
That's correct.
Oh, my God.
And restricted the availability of material.
You have any idea why I pulled you over?
May I take a look at your in scene, please?
There we go.
It's a four.
Let's hold on a second.
Waste.
Why the sleeve so wide?
I'm heavy.
You're an inch over, sir.
Put your hands behind your back.
Where are your hands, by the way there?
I lost weight.
Deep in these sleeves.
I've been working out.
Too bad.
You should have thought of that before he wasted all this fabric.
You're going downtown.
He's not even in the suit anymore.
He snuck out of it.
Okay, so it restrict the availability of material for civilian use.
The result was men's fashion became more conservative.
So it worked.
Yes.
Out were double-breasted suits, wide lapels, vests, pleaded pants with cuffs, and overlapping waistbands.
And especially the very not-wrested.
white zoot suit. Retail stores now won't sell them. You had to find enough fabric on your own
and make them on your own. Sure. Quote, hipsters in the east donned pants with the rise so high
that the waist came up to just a few inches below their armpits. Oh my God. Erkle times?
Sitched with a belt or white suspenders?
They literally urcled?
How are you?
Did I do that?
It's got to be just under your tithas.
Titty pants.
And before I measure your waist, what's your tit with?
On the front of the pants were two to three inch wide pleats.
That is so awesome to be like, credit, please.
The pleats allowed up to 30.
24 inches of material to balloon out at the knees.
So they're pleaded so that they're pleaded so that they can get bigger as it goes down.
So it kind of is just like a titty dress?
Yeah, that's what I'd call it.
Yeah.
Kind of like cocktail dress?
Yeah, I, yeah.
34 inches at the knees.
That's what I am.
Which then dropped down toward a 6 inch ankle and finished off in a cuff 3 to 5 inches deep.
Wow.
this prompted one fashion critic to comment that the zoot pants looked like two upended baby blimps.
Oh, that's, come on now.
Yeah.
Makes a very little sense.
But that is what you get for trying to tell people what to wear you.
Well, if you, if you're selling zoot suits in a store and then you make that illegal, they're going to make their own zoot suits.
Yeah.
And now they're going to go hog wild
With the
Like they're going to take it all directions
Jesus Christ
These are just aprons
The hell's going on
But it's not just the suits
And both eastern and western versions
included an extremely long,
thick-linked gold-plated watch chain
drooping to the knee
From the vest to pants pockets
That sounds insane
you know what's funny is my my my all my memories well there's cab cali but all my memories go back to
cartoons yeah some of it feels cartooning there's i remember there was like a wolf yeah that's what i
that's what i've been picture the wolf in a suit suit yeah which is also a little bit of racist if you
think about it is it well yeah bad boy wolf yeah a little bit sweet i mean like i told you
my first crush was made marian excuse me well i told you that
my first crush was the Fox made Marion from Robin Hood, the Disney one.
That was the first woman I was attracted to.
And by the way, quite attracted to her.
Did you masturbate to her?
No, but I definitely saw us ending up together if it didn't work out with Robin Hood.
She was very, very aesthetically pleasing.
She's also a real sweetheart.
I mean, you know, again, I'm...
Not a real sweetheart.
She was an absolute sweetheart.
She's not real.
I'm not going to, you know,
We're not going to go into that right now.
I think we are.
No, but she was very, very attractive, and I'm sure she still is.
And if the, if the Maid Marian from the Disney Robin Hood cartoon is still out there, call me.
I'd love to cram it.
Yeah, okay, so there's a bunch of like wolves.
Have you seen the, are you looking at Made Marion?
That are in Zoot suits and cartoons.
Oh, yeah, and they are fangy and.
But so this is, these are predatory.
I mean, the timeline on this is these are from like the 40s.
So it would make sense based on what we're talking about, right?
Yeah.
So the big bad wolf.
Yep.
Yeah.
And you can tell they got those fangs.
And just so we have it.
You know, this is what I'm talking about right there.
Check that out.
Bar-da-boom.
I've never been more worried about you than the fact that you were into her.
you don't think she's hot
you don't think that's a hot cartoon fox
no i mean she's got pretty eyes
she's got great eyes
but that's a fox
that's what i'm saying
you could have so easily been mr hands
you were probably so close to going down that path
and something by the way look at this
something's like uh just you banging foxes
people are having people are you tell me that's not hot
no the internet's having fun with her nowadays
She's getting hotter and hotter.
I bet you can find videos.
She's had her lips done.
I bet you can find videos of her getting banged.
Are you going to do that?
Let's get back to the show.
I bet there's dirty, dirty ones of all the cartoon characters.
So there's got to be dudes out there like you who are, let me just say this.
I'm trying to be politically correct.
Totally fuck in the head.
Does that make sense?
I'm not finding any.
I'm not finding any Maid Marian porn.
Oh, I bet it's there.
I guarantee you.
You know what?
You know, I'm probably not the best guy looking for porn.
You guys go ahead and start a Reddit thread for Gareth to go and look at.
Is it Made Marion?
Is that her name?
Made Marion Fox porn because he's going to need...
More like Laid Marian.
He's going to need something to get through these nights.
You know what I mean?
It's been hot here.
Oh, my God.
You find one?
Well, look at that.
She had her tits done.
Man, she...
Oh, hokey-dokey.
I probably should go out of there,
because I'm actually...
Lines are blurring between nature and man.
Oh, dear.
Oh, boy.
There's no way there is not a picture of her with them out.
Those tattas.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what to do with furry titties,
but I'm sure I'd figure it out.
Take that, Robin Hood.
She goes back to Robin Hood.
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I'm talking about wandering the plateau,
grabbing a wood-fired bagel from Fairmont Bagel at 9 a.m.
Catching the jazz festival where some of the best musicians in the world,
are just playing outside for free in the middle of the city.
Maybe sitting in Mount Royal Park with absolutely nothing on my schedule.
That's my kind of trip.
And here's where my brain goes.
If I'm daydreaming about wandering around in Montreal,
that means my place back home is just sitting empty.
And that's the thing that actually clicked for me.
While I'm away, I could be listing my space on Airbnb.
Someone else gets a real home and a real neighborhood,
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a great farmer's market, the kind of charming little main street where everything closes by
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Gareth, August.
That's the perfect time to hit reset before the autumn rush begins.
And look, I cannot think of a better way to start than my closet.
Yeah.
That's why I love shopping at Quince.
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You know that.
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Dave, my special coming out pretty soon, all quints on the road.
We have a little closet rack in the back of the van that we use.
You and I are rocking lots of quince things hanging.
True.
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You were rocking that linnoc.
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Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, so you also needed thin shoes.
The thinner, the better.
That seems like a bad call.
There's no history.
We don't know why.
It was cool.
We don't know why it was cool to have incredibly thin shoes.
Sounds horrible.
But Cab Calloway once bragged that, quote, his shoes were so thin that he could roll them
up at a ball. That is such a strange brag. I don't know. But if Cab Cal...
I mean, if there's anyone I'm going to listen to on this, it's Cap Cal right?
Fuck. He could roll his shoes in a ball. But I don't know if that means like, are they like
slipper type? I'm picturing aqua socks. Yes. Aqua socks. Yeah, pool socks. Pool shoes.
Pool shoe? It's a very strange podcast suddenly.
Well, no, because the shoes that I...
Aquasawks.
Alpachuco zoot shoes.
But they just look like regular shoes.
They look like fancy shoes here.
So I don't know what the thin part is.
Okay.
Anyway, the show, the shoe trend was the opposite in L.A.
There was not thin shoes.
Fat shoes.
East, it's thin shoes west.
The boys wanted the thickest shoes.
The thickest shoes.
thick as souls, the heaviest shoes possible.
Nice.
Big old fucking shoes.
Again, I'm not trying to go against the culture of the time, but how about just regular shoes?
No, you got to get big shoes.
I would like shoes that, like, you know, shoes that are nice.
Nah, fuck that.
I want invisible shoes.
Some historians believe that this was because they wanted the shoes, quote, to serve as counterweights that would anchor them down while swinging their dance parters in the air.
Now, okay.
Now we're talking.
That sounds dumb.
That sounds not true.
Now I'm getting it.
Because it would impair dancing if you had big shoes.
No, but you just like you get on the dance floor, you get your buddy to put like concrete in your shoes.
All of a sudden you're like bottom heavy.
You're like 100 pounds down there.
You could sling a woman all over.
You take Maid Marion, you're spinning her around.
Next thing you know.
Okay.
Who knows what happens?
Excuse me.
I'm on Reddit.
I can't talk right now.
But the cops believe they wanted heavy shoes.
so they can use them as weapons during gang fights.
Yes, as opposed to, say, weapons.
Of course.
Take the time to take off your shoes and hit a guy.
Yeah, of course.
Why not?
Why carry a knife when you can use your shoes?
Bobby Garcia, quote,
If you got stopped by a cop, they used to call our shoes deadly weapons.
Well, that's going to be easy to get a lot of convictions.
We were trying to help the country, and they were calling us Nazis.
Yeah, that is, yeah.
Yep.
And, I mean, again, perfect.
When you make shoes a weapon, you just literally, you're going downtown.
For what?
Possession of shoes.
What was I supposed to wear?
Step in the car, sir.
Can I measure your shoes, son?
Put the shoes on the scale there.
There we are.
Oh, my God.
Four pounds.
Oh, dear.
What are we doing, kid?
You've got to kill someone tonight.
He's a fool.
Girls also had a modified suit suit, short black skirts and hose with the broad shoulders,
shouldered and longer coat of the boy's costume.
Quote,
the girls are sometimes known as Puchukas or slick chicks
and glory in the role.
The white Angelenos could just not understand,
nor could they accept that these working class brown kids
got their flashy clothes or even just money in general
without stealing it.
Well, you know, this is the truth.
They are just like, they're cool.
Stop them.
But it's not just that.
This is the, why does everybody have a big TV argument?
What's this?
Oh, they, you know, these fucking people that they, they can barely get fucking buy, right?
They're complaining about it.
They don't have money.
But they have a big fucking TV.
And you're like, yeah, they actually want to have some parts of life that they enjoy.
And if there's one thing you would buy, one thing you would spend extra money on if you're poor, it's a quality television.
because now you can have endless enjoyment
and be distracted.
At home.
But that's this.
That's how fucking dare they?
And they're like, this is the thing they have.
This is their one thing.
No, and then now that distills down to like,
they're buying soda on food stamps.
Yeah, it's exactly right.
Excuse me, poor people?
Is that orange crush?
Yeah, like, no, I'm sorry.
You'll have brink.
broccoli for juice.
Okay?
Allow me to live inside your
asshole and decide everything.
Are you not eating rice and beans?
Oh, it's a steak.
What?
It's a what?
Excuse me?
It's a what?
I don't think you're prepared for what's about to happen physically to your body.
You're poor.
You're not going to handle this properly.
I eat steak.
You eat old gloves that the government gives you.
everything that happened.
A book.
Ain't you supposed to be thinking?
That's free.
Go write a book on your roof.
When LAPD frisked 18-year-old Johnny Matus, who had no criminal record before the Sleepy Lagoon case,
they found $89 in his pocket and refused to believe that he had earned it.
Again.
How could this kid have money?
How could he have fucking money?
There's a lot of money you're carrying around.
So it's $250.
Would you get it?
Excuse me?
$250 what?
Yeah.
Who'd you rob?
I just, I worked for a couple weeks.
Okay, okay.
All right.
Just seems like a lot of money to be walking.
A lot of money.
Well, we're taking you downtown.
Well, look, we have a reason to search your car.
The canine hit.
Quote, the arresting officers tried to beat a confession out of him
until he passed out.
Well, again, we shouldn't really call it passing out.
That's like going beaten unconscious.
Well, going nine-nine.
Well, you know what?
Don't fucking walk around with money.
Yeah, this whole, again, it's a real gray area as to who's right in this one.
You're going to tell me you've got a pocket full of money in big shoes and you're not out there doing crime?
Unfortunately, he won't be able to confess for a little while.
We killed him.
So.
His fault.
That's a confession.
when Henry Levas was 17
That's the guy at the very beginning
He got beaten with his girlfriend
Was 17, police arrested him
And his 15-old brother
For driving a stolen vehicle
The police refused to believe
That the car belonged to their dad
And the brothers were held in jail
For three days
Until their father could prove
That he actually owned the car
Oh, for fuck's sake
It's the old joke driving while black
But this is driving while Mexican
in LA.
Yeah.
It's just,
I mean,
again,
you know,
what?
At least we don't do this anymore.
No,
I was just going to say it.
I mean,
you know,
for,
for classes or races,
where it's just like,
yeah,
you're guilty until proven innocent.
That is always the fucking way.
Always.
I told you that I have a cop that
a LAPD guy that lives on my corner.
He's like a detective.
And he,
he pulled up one night and immediately got pulled over.
by the sheriffs
and he's Mexican
and so the sheriff's
leave and I go
I go what's up and he goes
that happens all the time
he goes in his house
it's sundown town
they're still sundown towns baby
whites had a visual reaction
when they saw a zootsuit
yeah of course
oh motherfucker
it was the symbolism
My wife's wet he must die
It was the symbol of money, sex, and attitude, and it wasn't cheap between 1,000 to 2,500 in today's money.
Oh, man.
So rich and middle class white sought as a waste of precious funds.
You know, again, it's the big TV.
It's the big TV, and it's always the, like, in this timeline we're on now, where you're just like frame fucking people over what they're buying when we are talking about bunkered out buildings.
billionaires.
Yeah.
And you're like,
you shouldn't be able to get pop with your food stamps.
Then work hard.
You need more of a grind.
And meanwhile,
Elon Musk is snorting dried up tie boys.
Many.
They are very dry,
a little nose jerky.
Yeah, for sure.
Many questioned just exactly how young men of color
got enough money to buy these suits
And since the zoot suit used material resources that patriotic citizens were foregoing for the war effort,
wearing one was seen as a total disregard for community of thrift and sacrifice.
We're in our I'm not racist but era.
I found an excuse to be terribly racist.
I'm not racist, but should these people be having suits like that?
We get it a lot.
We also get this a lot right now with cars.
There's a whole car culture thing, and it really upsets people.
One social psychologist said putting on a zoot suit was like putting on the fans version of a sports jersey,
but in this case, the members of the team were outcasts and villains.
Wow.
That sums it all up.
That is such, that's like very well put.
Yeah.
The, yes.
The whites viewed that as the away jersey at their home game.
That's right.
Exactly.
So soon, I mean, like a Raiders jersey, there's no different.
If you see a Raiders jersey, like 50% chance they get killed right now.
Right, right.
Of course.
So soon after the big public crackdown.
Raiders have really leaned into it, though.
Like before they go to halftime, you'll see like some guy, you're like,
Jesus Christ, his.
skeleton faces bleeding.
Like, what?
How did he do that?
Raiders are five and one.
I'll never forget when the news came in one day.
I heard that it was when the
Raiders were playing at LA Coliseum
and someone had bitten off someone else's nose
and then they were like, it was a Raiders fan.
They bit off the nose.
I'm like, yeah, you don't have to go into that part.
Like, everybody gets that.
Of course, it was a Raiders fan.
Yeah, by the way, the owner Al Davis didn't have a nose either.
So that was...
Well, Lisa's son knows how to cut hair.
Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, I always wondered what would happen if Al Davis fucked John Gruden.
And, you know, thankfully, they've been able to prove that through new Raider ownership.
So soon after the big public...
What if the Beach Boys banged Al Davis?
It's not even...
It's like there's no bull cut in America that is more severe.
That's crazy.
It's the severest...
And I think he's like, I think he's dating America.
made Marion. Like, I think he's like, God, I think he's like some...
Well, he's a billionaire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get to be the saddest-looking weirdo
alive, and it doesn't matter. So soon after the big public crackdown, the cops went in
front of every camera to tell the city that they had found the murders of Josea Diaz, the
suit of youths who lived on 38th Street. And they arrested them. And that is the end of part one.
it's a good feeling
I mean white pride is at a low
in many ways and I think stuff like this
is going to get us right back where we need to
because
we are
we really are
the Protestant theme
of anti-fun
is so fucking
horrible for the world
yeah it's just like sick control
I mean we just are you know we're just like
we're just it's fucking crazy
um
It has not stopped.
It is, we are humming right now.
But it's just this, like, Steve, we live in Stephen Miller's wet dream because he's allowed to police anyone who he feels like stands in the way of his white loser topia being able to exist.
And you just see it everywhere.
wherever there's pain and screaming and people who are brown people are being treated indiscriminately as criminals because Stephen Miller was hated his whole life until he finally achieved where he got to now.
He is literally the spiritual ancestor of bin Laden.
He looks like the guy who.
who came up with the Salem if they float,
they're a witch, if they drown.
He does.
Like, he literally looks like the guy who's like,
that's pretty perfect.
He was probably like jacking off
while he was quilling it on a scroll.
Sources.
First of all,
written by Josh Androwski,
murder at the Sleepy Lagoon
by Eduardo Abragon Pagan,
Colliers Magazine,
Los Angeles Examiner,
and the LA Times,
Los Angeles Times.
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