The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 746 - The Zoot Suit Riots - Part Two

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

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1942 so the trial of the 39th street gang for the murder of Jose Gaiardo Diaz was on okay it was called

the Sleepy Lagoon trial. You've got to have a catchy name. It was very Tim Burton coded. It is. The New Lagoon really is Tim Burton, yeah. The local prosecutors hatched a plan. That's good. To try all 38 street boys together instead of individually.

That way, they could lump them all in as a gang in the eyes in the jury. I don't think so. It's called the lasso trial. So then the jury of all... If they find one person guilty, they find all guilty. Yeah, then they're like, well, they're a crew. They're all doing it. And look, the boys didn't help themselves.

What made Henry Leibos respected on the streets didn't really translate into the courtroom situation. Sure. He was absolutely not ready for a spotlight, which he shouldn't be. He's just a dude got, essentially he got beat up and then attack back. Like, that's all that happened. He seems unpolished. He is a little unpolished.

I don't know what we're going to do with him. Get him in the suit suit. That'd be good. And so he played into the popular perception that the 38th Street youths were little more than, quote, mad-brained young wolves. Wolves. Okay, wolves. So those cartoon depictions are.

are super races and we're probably part of the I mean the cartoons that we're thinking of and if you're older you know but I don't even even it might even

for younger people they might even seen flashes of it online people know Looney Tunes for the most part so yeah so because Looney Tunes did a lot of propaganda the smoking stuff

and like crazy shit so a lot of war pro war shit so the wolf in Zoot is very clearly propaganda for this. Like they are terrifying, right? Yeah, and I think when you showed that picture before,

it is like you remember it and you were like, oh yeah, they like made me, they were definitely these predatory. They were predatory, yeah. And even that drawing you showed, it's like very fangy. Yeah, yeah. Like that's what led us to the Maid Marian stuff where it's like, it depends on how the artist draws the animal.

No, I'm not like, I don't want to get back into it, But that's what got us there because I was saying, you know, it is, you know, the beauty of the dog or the fox or the wolf is dependent on the artist's ability to, you know, what kind of qualities they want to give it. They want to make it scary fangs, big nose, you know what I mean? They want to make a hot dog, you know, made Marion kind of. I genuinely think that it was the first time you really started noticing boobs on anything. thing and it was a cartoon. I think that's what's going on here. I'm not kidding when I say the first thing that turned my crank was a cartoon animal.

100%. At this point, there's probably a lot of people like that. Yeah. And I'm looking to link up and have some meetings. Let's talk about this. Now, you're talking about porgy pig, yeah? No. Was he sexual to you?

Because he did not wear pants. No. No, that's like the Louis C.K. of Picks. That's not, that's not what I was into. But now I'm like, you know, furry-wise, I'm seeing a real way in for me here because I definitely, that I could get busy with. I see more as a peppy Lepew, the most rapist animal ever to be in cartoons. Except Fritz the cat. Yeah. In retrospect, he was Russell Brand the skunk. but, you know, I would never do that.

By the way, I'm going to go on record here real quick. The cat in the Pepe Lapeu commercials, also hot. What in the fuck are you talking about? Be honest. Oh, damn. What? I got some maid-marian shit right here for you. Jesus Christ.

Her taters are out. Oh, my Lord. She's licking her foot. but her boobs are out and she's still wearing the headdrape I think the headdrape is part of the thing that every guy who like you that has a deep sexual longing I'm going to talk to the therapist about this for a little bit

sexual longing I'm going to talk to for a maid Marion I'd stop this are nice stop for now after we're done recording start again she's got I mean if you guys

If you just want to type in Made Mary in porn, it's coming up. Everything you can see her. I'll tell you what, I never served, but I do want to get in a foxhole. There is so. How did you find it? I just typed in Made Mary in porn. That's what I did. Nothing came up.

Jesus Christ. She's doing only fans? Shit. Wow. Wow. There's some stuff on there. Boy, there's a lot of dudes like you out there. I'll tell you that.

I think I just converted one. one. No, absolutely not. Cartoons don't do it for me, and actual women do. Actual women. That is so boomer. So a photographer...

We should point out we're really drunk. So a photographer caught he catches Henry in a moment in the courtroom and hold on, let me pull it up because I think you need to see it. Close out those made Marion porn window.

I'm not a question. Just link me. Link me and then get into the... You're going to need that for sure. Wink me into that one. So this is the photo. A photographer caught Henry trying to cover his nervous laughter with his hand over his mouth, and the photograph showed a Mexican young man with long unwashed hair and unkept clothing,

apparently smirking at the proceedings. Okay. It's so funny because I look at that, and I'm like, that would go the other way. I would be like, I was humanized and seems like kind of... I agree. I totally agree with you. Like, it's like, oh, yeah, he's just like. That doesn't seem like a dangerous, violent person.

I mean, again, not to judge off a picture, but I would imagine that would make people be like, he doesn't seem like a criminal. There are these ideas we're only supposed to act a certain way after death when you've been sexually assaulted. When you're on trial, you're only allowed in society to have a certain way. So you're supposed to look very serious and upset.

A lot of times the people in. charge of that way are biased. Yeah. So the caption was quote, ringleader of bloodthirsty mob, smirking

Henry Levasse, stands accused of dealing fatal blows and murder. Here he is, after freshly devouring a human skull. Look at the laughing death man. Disgusting. Someone took the Joker's makeup off with a hose. So,

it doesn't look good for the defendants. That's crazy that that picture... Right? Yeah. The cops... Well, I was going to be unbiased, but then I saw the picture of him smiling, and I realized he is a vampire. I look at him and I see him standing over the body of my daughter. That is pure evil.

So the cops lie multiple times under oath that they never beat up the boys. One of the boys' lawyers is so upset. that she tries to get herself put on the witness stand to testify that the police had beat them. Wow. She wanted to tell the jury, she found Henry, quote, in the room where police were questioning him, slumped forward in a semi-conscious state with his shirt dappled from the blood and saliva that fell from his swollen lips and bleeding nose. How can you get yourself called as the lawyer?

I don't know. to do that is amazing. The defense calls me. Me. I'm going up there right now. I'd like to go up there. Try to stop me. Yes. You're not allowed to do that.

Calling myself! I will go as Heidi. Calls Heidi Fleming to the stand? No. The judge, Judge Flick. Will you guys call me? Call me up. Hey, can you guys over there?

You guys call me. Can the prosecutors call me? Call me. Call me. Hey, hey, call me. I stand. So the judge, Frick, denies a request saying that it's totally crazy for a defense attorney to take the witness stand in her own case. I agree.

And that's why I think I belong in there to talk about this. So this is a time when there are commies around. This is before the... I don't want to live in the same time. This is before the Un-American Committee, the whole fucking 50s shit, right? Before the red list. Senator fucking dishback. So, Larue McCormick was a powerhouse of a woman, sturdy and smart.

Leru, the red? La Rue. Yeah, sure. Sturdy and smart, a veteran labor organizer who, quote, earned high praise from her colleagues for her energy, wit, and organizing skills. So she's looking for a case that was going to blend race, and class in a way that she felt could rally and unite the left. I got one.

Where? This one. Oh, I thought you're talking about the Maid Marian. Come on, man. Relax. Do you want me to listen or not? The Sleeby Lagoon murder case was perfect, and she immediately began organizing a campaign around it. One of her first strategies backfired terribly. They brought in a judge who had overruled one of Frick's prior,

Judge Frick's prior rulings about Mexican-Americans on account of it being incredibly racist, even for the 40s. So they called him to the stand? Yes. Wow. To try to. Judge Frick was like, no, for God to say. What the fuck is.

How are you, Ted? Do you guys know what a fucking judge is? Hey, Ted. Hi, how are you? Good. What the fuck are you? I just didn't want me to talk about a fucking racist. I do.

What? Yeah. He, I golfed to the McCle. What? Overruled. Now overruled. You're overruled. Don't judge fight.

On an all new judge fight. Judge to judge. Sustained. Ah! Yeah! So he didn't like that, obviously, that this, he's going to be confronted by a man who makes him look like an idiot. And so now he doesn't let that go for the rest of the trial as if he's not already racist.

So he would get angry and angry at the defense as the trial went on. Okay. That is quite a move. It is pretty great. We call a judge who hates you. Yeah, what? Yeah, your judge enemy, we're calling. After you're trying to put yourself on the stand, like, this is fucking crazy. If I can't get on the stand, then I call your mommy. I'm calling Judge Nemesis. Yeah. Your wife.

What? Holy shit. Your mother-in-law. It's been bad. Yeah. Leroux found a better defense lawyer, reaching out to a Lebanese American attorney George Shibli, who she knew from the Congress of Industrial Organizations, CIO, and International Labor Defense. So a huge fucking lefty.

Okay. Right. Shibli was charismatic, charismatic, and passionate and had a good sense of humor. A bit of a wild man. Okay. What's on a show? Okay. Love it. He does not speak Spanish fluently, but that didn't stop him from trying. And his respectful attempts to communicate with the families in their own language earn him gratitude. Now, I have a different. I'm seeing that in a way. U, uh, L, L, uh... Donde est a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

Hermano. Trello. Um, God damn it. Leche? Milk for... Flan. Milk for, um,

God damn it. The hell's a... How do you say skiing? Oh. Um, Gras. Abulita. I know.

I know. A poquito. Uh, grande. Grande, grande, grande. Grande, grande, grande, chihuahua. Grande, grande, chihuahua. What? What?

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Tortas? Tortas. Tortugas? Tortugas. Tortugas. And they're like, that was very kind of him. Gracios. Shibli brought an edge, energy, and fighting spirit to the

the defense that it was previously lacked. And he puts prosecutors on the defensive because he's always going after him, right? But shit is going very bad for the defendants. Jury, 100% white.

And they visibly hate them. They visibly hate them. You can tell them they're just sitting in there. They fucking hate them. I'm going to say that's just, that's kind of the death nail. Yeah. Yeah. That's never a good sign. It's never a good sign when it's a bunch of whites who are like,

I won't be swayed. A note taker hired by Shibli, quote, The hostility of the jury was almost palpable. You could see that they were looking at the defendants as though they were loathsome. The dudes, the teens are not helping themselves. They're teenagers and they do teenage boy stuff. So some were flippant, quote, at times the boys, at times, the boys, at Times the boys through spit wads at each other.

At each other. Mr. Cotta. It's just so funny. You're watching guys through spitwads. You're like, well, that's a murder. Jesus Christ. I mean, how many are there? There's quite a few.

I think it was like 20. There's 20 of them. They picked it. They poked at one another or they laughed to relieve the tedium of a seemingly endless testimonies. So the trial's gone on forever. There sound like teenagers at a trial. Yeah.

Yeah. Shibli didn't make things easy on himself. He had a habit of grinning every time the judge overruled him. That is a tough one. That is not what you do. That is not what you do. Grasia. Tortugas.

Ah. Much Augusto, Your Honor. And due to his strategy. of objecting to every single racist remark. Yeah, objection. The judge overruled him a lot. Yeah, objection. So he's getting overall, cussily, and smiling every time that happens.

This led to the judge shouting at him, quote, I do not like that smiling attitude on your face. They hate smiling. They don't like smiling. Very strange. I get it. Yeah, you do. And yet the boys have reason to hope.

Shibbley gave a brilliant summation. Played on the emotions of the jury like a violin. Also, the prosecutors have no real evidence to back up the charges. Child goes on for three months. Endless witnesses, because they're trying, oh, there's 22 boys. They're trying to lump together the 22 boys. So they have to call in tons of witnesses to tie them all to each other as well as the crime. Now, the cops never found a murder weapon.

So the ice picks out there somewhere. Sure. The shoddy evidence didn't even prove without a shadow of a doubt that Jose Diaz was murdered. That's tough. This is a trial for what? Murdered. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. The only thing the prosecution showed for certain is that a lot of the teens went to Sleepy Lagoon to retaliate. against the Downy Boys for beating up Henry and Dora. See, that's, to me, that's the biggest faux pa. You can't go to handjob pond and start bringing violence. This is, we're here for jerkingings and fingerings. Steer clear. So you're saying the Downey Boys deserved it?

Well, I'm just saying, wait, wait until they leave the neck point, you know? let the well they did oh okay and i got no beef oh you're saying you're saying the downy boys when they went to beat up the 30th street boys they should have waited until yeah the heavy i'm gonna call let's go with heavy petting the boob the boob feels sure uh tea fucking teafugging the the the t-bagging whatever was going on there wait until i don't know if it'd be waiting till the tea bagging by the one just to be clear you said heavy petting and now you're bringing tea tea bagging is part of heavy petting no no yeah yeah no no no there's no that there's not a base for what that is oh no you put it right in the mouth.

No, that's, how early? That is a full, that's like, right. What base are you calling that? That's first base. That's first base to you as a tea bag? Yes. Oh, boy. That's a T-ball.

You've been mad to them. It must be horrible for that to be your fetters. I mean, I'm a guy who wants the beggar cartoon Fox. But the idea that early in the, you're going to be like, like, I'm mad. I'm mad to your mouth. Cleveland Steamers, second base. And stop talking

Oh, I want two. You can Google that if you want. My, uh, my fetish has been difficult to unload. Okay, so where was? I was so rudely disturbed. Okay, so right. So no murder weapon. They don't even know if he was murdered.

The prosecutor only knows that they, that after the fight happened at Sleby Goon, that the 38th Street Boys then went to down. to fight. And that some of them were seeing at Victoria Delgado's birthday party, which is very close to where Jose Diaz died, right? He died out on the street nearby. So many of the kids were hopeful justice would be served when the jury came back.

They're like, well, there is literally nothing that we actually did. They can prove that we did. Being there is not a crime. Joe Carpio, Richard Gestellum, Edward Grandprey. Grand Prix. It's great. Eddie Grand Prix. Ruben Peña, Daniel Vordugo were found not guilty.

Okay. One, two, three, four, five. So did they go with the lump prosecution? Yes. Oh, so the, okay. But so they were individually. Yeah. And then, yeah, they did the lump prosecution.

But then, yeah, but then they can't convict them as a lump. Right. They have to convict. How do you find the lump? Well, why didn't. know we were lumping. Guilty. Most of the lump did it, Your Honor.

Your Honor, we actually can't tell the difference. They all look the same. Your Honor, it's been very tough as a jury. We are so racist. We don't know who's who. You know? So the rest are not as lucky. Henry Levas, Jose Ruiz, and Robert Tellis were found guilty of murder.

in the first degree with two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to commit murder. How the fuck are you doing that when you don't have the murder weapon? Or anybody connects them to the actual first degree. Yeah, there's nothing, there's no physical evidence connecting them to the body. We believe it was a manslaughter, but we hate Mexicans. Manuel Delgado, Johnny Matus, Jack Melendez, Angel Padilla, Yisemil Parra, Emmanuel Reyes, Bobby Thompson, and Henry, what's Bobby Thompson? Your Honor.

He's the, he's the, oh God, what was that movie called? Champagne when he was a cop in South Central. yeah i am sam you have no idea what i'm talking about uh i try to talk to you fast times it's very it's very difficult to talk to you i'm trying to help you it's very difficult to talk to the game uh henry nustraza early burly gus gus is amorah we're convicted of murder and are we still pitching the sean penn stuff completely done i feel like there's no closure completely done madonna no we're not doing word association robin rovin Right.

I literally just colors. Is it called colors? The movie Colors? Bill Mar. Is that sound right? Bill Mar is a huge colors guy. Yeah, sure is. Thanks.

Champagne looks good these days. Yeah, he didn't do it really well. Yeah, it's Colors. The movie's colors. He's a cop and Robert DuBall. Oh, um, Godfather. But there's a white guy in that. So I'm assuming Bobby Thompson is that white guy.

a little lost in the game. I know you. You went off on a place that nobody cares about. So they're all convicted of second degree murder and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to commit murder. All of them. The other ones. So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. So they believe it was a gang stabbing with two holes and no murder weapon.

And then right now we've got 14 guys convicted. and again, what's the difference between... How are you picking the six who aren't there or eight who aren't? But what's it in the guys? Yeah, who are you choosing? There's two stabs. It's just so funny. There's two stabs. Your Honor, we believe that 10 set of hands held each stabbing pick.

Finally, Andrew Acosta, Eugene Carpio, Victor, Segovia, Benny Alvarez, and Joe Valenzuela were found guilty of assault. Quote, Stun by the verdict, many of the voice wept openly. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because this is fucking crazy. Yeah, they probably were like, wow. Judge Frick then lauded the jurors,

complimenting them on how they went about closing the book on, quote, the most difficult matter, which has come before me during the 25 years on the bench. So weird. You guys really were racist. You guys? You guys.

That was awesome. You guys, I got to say, you guys handled this racism so well. That was awesome. Like calm, you made it look. You made it. I'll be honest. I don't know how you guys came up with all the nuance. Right?

That's the thing. And you just did so good with figuring out what my only note. The guys who you let off. Yeah, but, okay, so your honor, here's what we were thinking. If we let some off, then it looks like we're. not really that racist. Yeah, but I'm not, I'm not worried about that. Okay.

That's not a concern. Because we were actually... What are they going to do? Take us to court. White, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white. The next day, the next day, Judge Frick, dropped absurdly, punitive sentences that even shocked California's Attorney General. Henry Levis, Jose Rius, and Robert Tellus

were given life sentences at San Quentin. Fucking A. Manuel Delgado, Johnny Matus, Jack Melendez, Angel Padilla, Ismail Parra, Manuel Revis, Bobby Thompson, Henry Ignostraza, Gus Samoa, got five years to life?

Five to life? Andrew Costa, Eugene Carpio. What kind of a spectrum is that? I don't know. Andrew Conda, that's really weird. That's a big difference. Have you ever sentenced anyone before? Two days to forever.

I don't know. How does this? I've never done this part. I don't know how this part works. Five to life. Is that crazy? I don't know. How about the electric chair or you're free to go? I don't know.

Does anyone have any pitches? Anyone have any ideas on what it could be? I don't know. You're going to slap his wrist and then maybe we take him out for the guillotine. Do we have any? I'm having trouble finding the spectrum, you know what I'm saying? Andrew Acosta, Eugene Carpio, Victor Sugobia, Benny Alvarez, and Joe Valenzuela got a year in county jail, Road Camp, or the county farm.

Yeah, and I want to do Road Camp. Yeah, can you get Road Camp? Road Camp is that pretty good, Your Honor. Yeah, that's just riding dirt cars around, right? It's just where I put a tent in the car. Yeah, Road Camp's pretty cool. Gareth, the Dalip is brought you by Mint Mobile. A Mobile.

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The outcome was not a surprise to Leroux McCormick and her newly formed Citizens Committee for the defense of Mexican American youth. Well, that's tough to hear. Which was run by a prominent socialist, Jewish, and Irish immigrants. They had been watching all the news coverage of the trial grow from just a few lines in big papers to insanely sensationalized, wholly reinvented tabloid fucking shit. Yeah. Well, that's why you've got to come down with the hammer because you are now sending a message to all of the other zootsuit fucks. Yes.

To watch it. Watch your shit. We don't care. You're using too much fabric and we don't care for it. I mean, the way they use blue fabric when we need blue fabric. It is literally... It makes me want to fucking kill them. The hardest thing this country's ever gone through is how much fabric these jazz clubgoers are using.

Trust me, I'm white. Oh, quat. White. One magazine called Sensation. featured outright lies masked as truth because they were written by Clem Peoples, the chief of the criminal division of the sheriff's department. Oh, my God.

It's like when Neil Gorsuch writes an op-ed. Like, what? So the chief of the criminalization of the sheriff's department is writing for a magazine called sensation. I see everyone taking this pretty easily. I don't see this being a tough bill for the whites to swallow. He compared... Have you opened the new issue of propaganda?

Phenomenal stuff. We're under attack again, darling. He compared... There's an enemy within. Oh. Yes. Brown to me. We're going to need to make sure there's less poor people so that we can be safe.

He compared the boys to Nazi submarines, lurking under water, waiting to strike an unassuming real American. underneath the they're all they they they don't go away they're all the same people we're hearing the same arguments now they never fucking stop they never fucking go away they never stop they are relentless fucking nightmare hold on hold on now hold on i know you're getting your panties in a bunch but let me tell you something have you never looked at a mexican and thought underneath there is a soviet submarine i do all the time but that's that's what's that's that Lurking.

That's how come sometimes they walk by and you hear their sonar go, boom, do, blum, blum, that's not why. That's why? Yeah. Look. What, so they're, what are they sensing? Allow me to do this in the cadence of Jeff Foxworthy. Okay. If underneath your skin is a Soviet submarine, you just might be a zootsuit wearing Mexican.

Now it makes sense. Thank you. Before it didn't make sense. Now it does. Makes a lot of fucking sense. Large papers, bigger papers, like the Herald and Express, ran stories with blatantly prejudicial terms like goon, hoodlum, and gangsters when describing the boys. Readers were happy to accept the fake news that Mexican gains were, quote,

running amok in the city. Is this the origin of Dick Tracy? I don't know anything about Dick Tracy, to be honest. No, it's a shame. It was a cartoon. Well, now someone was a Warren Beatty movie.

It was crazy. But it was a lot of like colorful characters and their big suits. Oh, really? And some cop just like, how dare you? Oh, yeah.

That sounds good. Thanks. In a wild miscarriage of justice, the jurors were allowed by the judge to read these tabloids while deliberating. That is that, that

Okay Okay Okay So that That might be above comedy Do you know how bad Your system has to be For us to laugh at it

Oh my God I mean that is Fuck man I mean I just went into the Deliberation room And they're reading A bunch of articles

About how bad these guys are Oh, yeah, I gave them a bunch of stuff to read while they're figuring this out. Yeah, I don't want them to sit around and not know stuff. What are they going to do? Well, I don't want them to ruin the game for them. So they're just going to give them a little copaganda. Oh, my God. The defense.

I mean, that's the end of your trial. It's crazy. Here you go. Just in case you guys were on the fence. They did it. Have a good night. The defense lawyer tried to declare a mistrial. trial, even subpoena jurors, but the judge denied it.

No, what for what? Excuse me, for what? By the way, it's, that happens. It's like, I mean, that is the system we live in now, but where the judge gets to decide if there should be a mistrial based on what he did. I didn't fuck up. No, I think I was good. Yeah, I did fine. I think I'm allowed to do that.

When I smeared in blood, the boys did it on the back of the courtroom. Not guilty me. Not a big deal. It's fine. Not a big deal. Oh, fuck. In reality, youth crime, even minority youth crime, dropped sharply during this time period.

So that sucks, too. But it didn't matter because white homeowners felt unsafe. It's exactly what's happening. Oh, it's completely. Like crime is dropping and they're just losing their fucking mind. Talk to someone who doesn't live in New York City about New York City. Yeah, they're literally just like, how do you walk down the street without being shot in the fiddle?

Have you been riding the subway since he put the gas chambers in there? America's becoming Michael Rappaport's brain. Oh, 100%. The whites were obsessed with juvenile delinquency, probably because wartime living made them feel under attack by foreigners and seeing anyone in the community not acting like them immediately transferred those feelings onto the foreign element at home. There it is.

Yeah, that makes sense. There it is. I mean, just, you know, how will the racism seep into the whites now? Yeah, which way is it coming from? I think I hate communists and blacks. Interesting, Travis, what's going on? I just think that they're coming for me and that I'm under attack. And have you ever talked to a communist?

No, but I just think that they're going to try to take Nancy away from me. Okay. Oh, that's interesting. I should do an episode about just about the people flipping out. Because like if Martin Luther King went to speaking in Chicago, the people in like Davenport, Iowa would think they were about to be invaded by blacks. Like the stories are so crazy. That's so crazy. And it's like, remember Trump in his first term, the caravan stuff?

Yeah. It was like all of a sudden, hey, just checking in on y'all's caravans. How are we doing? Where is it? Huh? Oh, yeah, whatever.

Maybe that's a huge threat coming at you. I'm in the caravan. I'm in. I don't know. Whatever. So. You heard of raising canes? So the verdict.

It only hardens the feelings of all young, Zoot-suited Mexican. and Mexican-American kids who were trying to feel a sense of community in their neighborhoods and expressed themselves through clothes and music. It also fired up the anti-Mexican hysteria that gripped the white bourgeoisie paper readers across the city. It's safe to say that the trial created a powder keg that could explode at any minute. And everything was made worse by the fact that the city built a million dollar training school for all white Navy in Chavez

Ravine. So the Navy is all white. So they built a giant training school right in the fucking heart of the fucking Mexican American community in LA. Yeah, it's cop city. They, when will they learn that it's like, you're just better off letting it happen? The cultural stuff. like that that actually has no actual impact on your life that you are having paranoid episodes

about get over that little fear let it go otherwise you're going to spread it further dumb shit always this began the escalating tensions parental advisory was like one of the greatest that you'd be like got to get this they're saying fuck a lot my god that was insane like how you knew you wanted something yes so this began the escalating tensions between the sailors who lived a segregated life in the Navy and the families in the neighborhood. It started with the sailors acting that complete assholes, getting sloppy drunk, and thinking they could get away with whatever they wanted because they worked for Uncle Sam. And the evil Mexicans? What were they doing?

The neighborhood boys began to talk back to the sailors, and their insults revolved around three themes. They're going to be good. one, that the sailors were idiots for signing up to die in the war. Such a good one. It's a great starter. Even though there's a draft, it is easily dodged at this point. Two, they called them pussies for signing up for the Navy instead of the Marines. Fucking just triggering.

Saying that they were afraid to fight real combat. And three. they called them gay because everyone knows it gets lonely out at seas and the sailors had a reputation for passing the time and carrying their lowness by hammering away on each other's holes i knew that that one was coming but so you have all these white guys who are serving their country and then a bunch of fucking getting drunk next kid american dudes just laughing at them and saying you fucking idiots are going to die and you're going to fuck each other on the boat Yeah. Why did you build this here? It was built there to intimidate, or it was just stupid planning?

Yeah, I think it's stupid planning. I think it's like this is easy territory, you know, land to use, right? It's the data center. I mean, I would imagine it's right where the L.A. Police Academy is now. Right. Because that's right there. Right. Yeah.

That's so awesome. Quote, the U.S. in 1943, the armed forces especially, was still the domain of the white man to question openly the rightness of patriotic duty or the prowess of the Navy was to ultimately challenge white heterosexual masculinity itself. Well, if I know my whites, that's not going to go down too good. I mean, bull's eye. Oh, yeah. Yeah, nailed. Fucking bullseye.

Nailed. The word that became by far the most common ones sailors reported to their command. commanders, they're being called names, and then they're reporting it to their commanders. Seems healthy. Seems stable and, you know, get them in combat. And you sound like a real tough guy. Yeah. You sound like your combat ready.

Just a bunch of written houses. He said He said They were saying He's He said The paper Take a breath

Take a breath He's He Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey

Yeah Breathe it in like it's a penis He said He He He Because I was Because I was walking

He He said He said said that we were we were we were that we were not

that we were not that we were not part of the arm arm arm armed armed

and then when we get out there he's gonna the only gun we're gonna be shooting

is into each other because of our penis uh can we kill them Yes. Is he that?

Okay. So they're reported to commanders. The suitors were calling them cock suckers. He's in the same second. He's cock. Did you? Yes. Can you imagine going to your commanding officer?

Yeah. Tell me a call. Well, look at the fucking president. I mean, it is literally this. Oh, my God. Put him in jail. Yeah. And they were doing this a lot.

They were going to the commander a lot and saying they were being called cocksucker. As if cocksucker, wait in line to the right, that's where the cocksucker complaints are. History is not recorded whether this was the Pachugo's favorite swear word or if the sailors just got the most offended by it. But either way, it was hurled to let. They were, they were like. Like, because this is like stuff you learn when like your kids getting picked down at school. You're like you have to not let them see it's upsetting you. It's actually.

You teach that to children. It's actually a microcosm of the zootsuit thing. Yes. It's like don't just pretend like you're cool with it. It'll have a shorter shelf life. Instead you're like, rock and roll is the devil. And they're like, oh, cool, the devil. Here we go.

as it happens when the weather got hotter, so did the tensions. By spring of 1943, it was a common occurrence for kids to hurl insults from their cars at sailors as they walked on the streets. Squaring up against the sailors earned the kids' respect from their peers. That was good. And they weren't fighting the military men. They just wanted them to know that they were not intimidated by them. In fact, they wanted to intimidate the sailors into thinking they couldn't just prance around their neighborhoods.

Right. Quote, Sieman second class Robert Lafayette Culkins, Wallace Steditch, and Benny Claire Boatwright, each of whom, you know what,

if your name's Boatwright, you kind of have to become a sailing. Absolutely. Yeah. I want to join the Army. No, Boat Right. Each of whom had previous encounters with civilian youths

were all walking down Figueroa when Tuesday in May when they reached the area just north, of Sunset Boulevard, four young men dressed in zootsuits, crossed from the opposite side of the street, and approached them from straight ahead.

As the civilian youths came near, some of them picked up beer bottles and broke them over the edge of a nearby garbage can. Now this is a move. Holding the jagged edges in front of them like knives. The two groups faced off as they slowly walked past each other in tense silence. It's like beat it.

I think this is happening fucking constantly. Yeah. It's constantly. No fight or it's just a bunch of people. It's not. It's, they dance fight? Yes,

they dance fight. I knew it. The head of the Foreign Relations Bureau of the, we already know about this guy. This is the guy that, the, who testified at the trial about them being. Sure.

The head of the Foreign Relations Bureau of the Sheriff's Department compared Mexicans to a feral cat. Oh my God. And whites to a sweet lovable house cat. This is the guy who, wrote the, yeah, this is our... Went into the Aztec thing. Yeah, yeah.

Finally, he's just like... You know, one thing I wasn't able to say at the trials, had they're kind of shitty cats. He said that caging the wildcat was the only way it could be kept safely in society. So let me walk you through cat ownership. The only way that a cat can work in our world is if it's always in a cage.

that makes sense? Yeah. Okay. The police repression that followed stoke the flames of hostility rather than instituting the law and order that they supposedly wanted to maintain. Quote, tensions had been mounting in the Venice area for months over the brazen behavior of young men dressed in their

equally brazen clothes. At times, these bazooted young men walked down the boardwalk four abreast, arm and arm, much to the consternation of the local citizens. As one told the writer, quote, everybody else would have to scram out of their way and all concerned would make dirty cracks.

Scram out of their way. So they'd have to. Well, they were arm and armed, so obviously we had no choice but to take cover. I mean, it's like a truck coming at you. Look, it was like a peppermint linebacker. It was like watching an offensive line of just different striped candies. So obviously, Hank and I did the rational thing and we buried ourselves in the sand. for a week. That's right. We had no choice. They were walking. I'm dead. Hank passed away

about an hour into the event. Yeah. I was faced down in the sand. Yeah. I tried to tell him to go face up, but Hank said, no, they'll see me. And I didn't think he was wrong, but he did die from the event. Yeah. So we're figuring that out. Yeah. It's been tough on us. That's hard for me, especially. Yeah, well, yeah, you had a job and you were doing great until those four guys arm and arm were walking down the boardwalk. Never saying anything like it. And he never will because he's gone. He's dead. He died a while ago. And the sex has never been better. What? And the sex has never been better. It was a different what? It was what? The sex.

No, I know what you said. The sex is good. The sex is really good. one evening around dusk a police sergeant who was moonlining as a security guard at a Venice dance hall eaves dropped on some white high school kids in front of the venue are you a cop no a moonlight now it's a Mexican-American dance venue okay he heard them say quote it's talked the zootsuiters have taken over the beach front hey did you guys hear the zoot suitors are parachuting in they're storming the beaches of venice seriously what is it Normandy like what are you talking about what the fuck are you doing? Bam-ba-dam, bam, bam, bam.

And we're going to straighten things out. Someone got them wet, and now little Zooters are popping off them like Remlins. Right then some sailors came in in a whipped-up frenzy shouting that a sailor had been stabbed inside the dance hall. Let's get to Zooters, they urged the high school boys. Now, the sergeant slash security guard tried to cool things down, telling the kids that everything's under control, at least inside the dance hall. happening. He said the troublemakers

have been kept out, so no sailor was stabbed inside. But nobody listened or cared, what he had to say. They had made up their minds. As one eyewitness later said, quote, they didn't care whether the Mexicans were zootsuits or not. And for that matter, most of the kids dancing

were not. They just wanted Mexicans. So now we can't even identify clothing? Well, race alludes us, but now clothing is... Well, now they're moving. on as expected from clothing to, oh, just

Mexicans. Clothing to full skin. As this is always about. Yes. Yeah. It's evolving. When the dance ended and the Mexican-American teenagers began to exit, a crowd of 500 sailors and

white civilians began to chase them down the boardwalk, yelling, quote... We heard you killed Jesus. Yelling, quote, let's get them. Let's get the chili eating bastards. Okay, first of all, fellas, we need to talk about Mexican food.

Yeah, this is the problem. Chili is not actually largely associated with... Well, then that guy heard that, and he was like, I'll open a Mexican restaurant called Chili's. Oh, shit, good move. That'll show you. Touche. I've been thinking about doing a trip this August to properly explore Quebec.

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The mob shatters they ran past bingo parlors and concessions stands. You know those Mexicans with their pizza pies. Disgusting. And their hamburgers. Oh, I've seen the other one making a falafel the other day. When the police responded, finally responded to a radio call about what was happening of Venice, they pulled up to an eerie sight. So because of the war, the pier, along with the rest of the coastline, is totally blacked out.

Because before they could even turn off the engine, a young Mexican-looking guy sprints up to the car and, you know, feverishly asks if they're policemen. And the cops said yes. And the young man yells that there was a big fight happening at the end of the pier. So instead of going to the dance hole, the cops follow the kid. and as soon as a lassie As soon as the cops Walked 10 feet Toward the pier

They found themselves Invelled in a quote Moustrom of brass knuckled fists And flailing blackjacks It was a trap Oh shit About a You son of a bitch

About a dozen Suit of youths Were out for revenge For all the times Cops beat the shit out of them And they're friends Oh man Quote

young men all wearing tight-legged trousers and long jackets converged on the... This is the fear of all the whites in a moment. 100%. Well, you're getting what you fucking wanted. They did a zoot circle. Oh, no. Bobby's been zooted, boys. I've read about this.

A zircle. A zircle jerk. What? Because they're... No. No, no. Long jackets converted on the helpless officers with the fury. of their age.

One of the cops was knocked to his knees by a blow to his left eye. As he staggered about the pier trying to stand up, his eye filled with blood. He was again struck on the face with a blow that drove his front teeth through his upper lip. Yeesh. The youth continued to... The youth continued to pound the struggling policeman who lay virtually prostrate on the ground several more times on his back with lead pipes. His partner was shoved against... Dave, I'm going to call it.

This is not going to be good. his partner was shoved against the rail of the pier and drew his weapon to avoid being pushed over it amazingly the young men involved somehow managed to escape arrest oh dear one LAPD officer admitted that if there were to be any more conflicts between sailors and zootsuiters then the only plan of action the cops would have

was to arrest Mexican kids even if they were the victims quote I'm pretty shocked this one on record quote our actions were limited by what the public thinks

we can't do they can do the right thing the public is public is they want their they want their Mexicans in cages what are we going to do not put them in cages boy when racist

the will of the people really will take over and and by by public, he's just talking about the well-off whites. Yeah, right. The paranoid whites. The rich whites.

Well, did you see that the fucking CEO of Shopify what he said? Well, they had the Hamilton? Yeah, right. Yeah. It's crazy. Only landowners should be able to.

Exactly. Yeah. Just the amount you pay in taxes results in how many votes you get. Yeah. And if you don't pay taxes, hey, that's awesome for you. Yeah.

You don't get a say. as it was not already that now I know that's what's so amazing it's like you guys really got to work on the messaging of your grift well like you won you yeah stop talking about it you won and now they're like

I mean do they need air you're like if the ambush of the cops on the Venice period didn't already prove to the rest of the city the Mexican youth of LA and especially those who live near Chavez Ravine Naval Training and Field

facility were fed up with being treated like shit. Yeah. So it's like it's like when the L.A., when the Rodney King riots happened, like there were a few trap set up for cops. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess what have, I guess these are cussions and you'd call them repercussion. I don't know. I mean, these things are going to happen. Stop. They were done being stomped on by the cops, but especially by the sailors who infested their neighborhood.

On the night of Monday, May 31st, 1943, at around 8 p.m., 12 or so sailors and soldiers ambled down Main Street. Once they hit Chinatown, they spotted a group of sexy ladies across the sidewalk. The women probably hamming it up by giggling and batting their eyelashes at the boys, beckoned them to cross the street and we're all too happy to strut over except for one sailor who kept moving for some reason. We don't know why. But one guy just was like, maybe too drunk or

gay, maybe very gay. Or maybe just like seems like a trap. Yeah, seems like a trap. Hey, come out over here. Hi, boy. Nobody wants to fuck sailors this bad. But that guy crossed paths with a group of suits suited dudes. That guy's the bad guy. That guy's an idiot. He's alone. Yeah, he's an idiot.

sensing something was wrong he grabbed one of the boys by the arm aggressively now that was not the move to make soon he was knocked unconscious his face slammed down on the pavement breaking his jaw in two places just then on the street and where else seemingly out of nowhere a mess of zoots suited kids poured out from all directions pouncing on the unwilling unwitting military boys. So, yeah, so it was a trap. Quote, swinging rocks and bottles with fists and feet with fury. The military guys managed to crawl away from the melee and drag their passed out friend with him.

Did anyone get a phone number? Those girls seem really down to clown. He called me Cockbacher. Barry. What is known is that the sailor, the sailor made the first aggressive move, which could have instigated

the whole fucking thing. Sure. But the white boys didn't see it that way, quote, the triumph of the civilian youths would be short-lived, however, for it was ultimately, it would ultimately provide the sailors at the armory with all the justification they would need to take the law into their own hands. Every time a sailor now tells this story to his mates,

it gets bigger and further from the truth. It's not a dozen kids they fought off. It's closer to 100. They didn't have broken bottles and blackjacks. They had guns. So that following Thursday, a whole group of sailors strolled into town with one thing on their minds, fighting every single Mexican teenager they laid their eyes on. And this was the first night of the Zoot Suit Riots. End of part two.

Well, that seems ominous. What do you mean? that they're just going to go fight Mexican teens endlessly What do you mean? It's fine Also the Zutsu Riot part I think that's a pretty

It seems like this might be a tough third Why? Just because of The way of the setup The whites are very frothy Whites are frothy Yes the whites are frothy When the whites get frothy

When the whites get frothy that's yeah that's if you want to if people want a comparison it would be like if instead of like the watts riots so take the watts riots but instead of wats if they all left wats and went to brentwood that would be the equivalent boy did that not happened boy yet boy those whites are uh excuse me. Uh, no. First of all, only white sold sneakers on the tennis courts. Oh, my throat.

Man. Those are not tennis shoes. Oh, and man, you know, like, oh, fuck a day. It's just, I don't know. When, when the next, the next version of this occurs, my God. Um, sources. Uh, Josh And Drowsky. wrote it, The Murdered Sleepy Ligoon by

Eduardo Abragon Paghan Collier's Magazine, Los Angeles Examiner, LA Times. The Times of L.A. The Times of Los Angeles. Oh, boy.