The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - Saloon Owner Billy McGlory

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

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You're listening to the Dullup Van Edition. This is an American History podcast for each week. I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history while in a van to my other guy. Garrett Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Also in a van. We're in Steve Ann Seagall. And you're enjoying a beverage. It's exciting.

We don't have anything else to say, right? I mean, we're in a van. We're in a van. The tour's about to end. It's all very exciting. We're doing it in a van. We want to see if we have this technology. Yeah, we see how this sounds.

Send your notes to loop. Yeah, I can't wait to hear your anger. 1850 or 1851. You're getting a little fudgy on these years now. You know, when you get into 1800s, people didn't write stuff down. They were still, like, just using poppins. It was lore? Yeah, it was all.

mostly verbal. Interesting. William H. McGrory. Was born in Manhattan's five points to Irish immigrant parents, Patrick and Honorah McGrory. Honorah?

H-O-N-O-R-A. Okay, you said it right. Honorah. Honorah. I mean, it's a weird one. Sure. I've never heard that name before. And what's his name?

McCord. McCord? McGrory. Crory. Nick Grory. Right. As it, like, did he combine Mick G and Rory? Yeah, or like if McDonald's made a Scoville sandwich?

That's right. As expected, Billy's father died when he was around eight. Yeah, as is the way. Yeah, it has to happen for a dollar. Yeah. After that, his mom, Horner had to support the family by bringing in borders and suck it through a bunch of marriages, you know. Bringing in borders?

Oh, like people that crashed there. Yeah. Billy, meanwhile, got involved in crime. Nice. That's how you do it. It's a good start. Billy's half-brother, Johnny Thompson, was a well-known Bowery actor from his father-mother mother's first marriage. Okay.

I don't know how many times she got married, but it's pretty clear she got married a lot. Okay. And that's cool? No. Fine, with it, whatever keeps the family life. I'm not asking about your opinion. That cool as far as... Societally viewed.

Probably not, but they're like... They're like the dirt poor and cry points. Like nobody cares. So the family had moved to West 16th Street after the father died. And Billy starts running with thieves and other petty criminals as a teen. Now, there's no evidence that he was in a gang. But he seems to have been part of- He was running with petty criminals.

He seems to have been part of like a pickpocket thief gang in the fourth and six words. That is the moment. That's the way to do it. agree. I like that. The Oliver fan and me always wanted to be a part of that. I always wanted to hang out with an older man who showed me how to pick pockets and we'd come back at the end of the night and we'd just throw our fence and materials in a pile and then we'd all hang out. How is that any different than this podcast? Very different. Well, we don't steal or paid or compensated. Although we did steal the day.

Luke did steal a U-Haul sound blanket. That is true for the van. For the van. Because they wouldn't sell it to us. At 16 in 1866, Billy was convicted of first-degree robbery, and he used the alias Gilbert McGlair. I like it. The Times record quote,

All parties implicated in the Adams Express robbery have been arrested. Gilbert McClare, alias Gillie McGlory. So he had like an alias for his alias? Yeah. So they were like, we got you, Gilly. We know you both. The well-known sneaking thief. Yes.

As opposed to the obtuse thief. The loud thief. I'll be taking some of these items, too. Oh, no, the cops? You know who could never be a sneaking thief? Luke. Luke could never be a sneaking thief. though.

I mean, good Lord, are you kidding me? Clang, smash, bang. He would, like, take himself out. They'd be like, he fell into handcuffs somehow. The well-known sneaking thief was arrested in this city last Friday night. James Wells was also arrested the same night. They were all taken to Bridgeport and committed. The proof against them is conclusive.

You don't even need to lock them up at Bridgeport. Just go there for an evening. I mean, we were in Bridgeport. Oh, man, it is tough to go to some of these. As someone commented on the Patreon page, why in God's name would you go to Bridgeport? We didn't know until we went there. We didn't. And it was really, it is not doing well.

It is not doing well. So Billy gets five years of Sing Sing Prison where he just meets more criminals, right? Cool. Now Billy had long wavy hair and was said to have a close. Sounds like somebody used Nutrafall. Nice. and it was said to have a quote ministerial look sounds like someone

who I don't know I lost you're trying to think of the guy we did last night no no I was making another dumb joke so what's the guy last time was Joseph well ton look at you proud of you once out Billy got into the saloon

business and he opened a drinking hole called the burnt rag oh god Jesus, try a little harder. That just sounds so chloroformy. Oh, that is like, it's really not hard to name an establishment. No, it's not. You do like the tipsy toad. Yeah, the burnt rags, there's nothing appealing about it.

This is the burnt rag. The piston coaster. Sharded cardboard. Hey, you guys want to come down to Sharded Cardboard? Don't order any food. It was at 103 Bowery Street in the 1870s. So it's a four-story building frequented by the lower end of society, right? Sure.

The sailors, the tenement, the tenement people. Sure. It was just 200 feet from police headquarters in the sixth precinct. That's convenient. And quickly became known as a thieves dead. So a gathering spot for criminals, sex workers, etc. Sure. It was repeatedly rated by police for blatantly violating liquor laws and being, you know, fine with other illegal shit.

What are the liquor laws? Is it? There's... I'm sure you need a license. Oh, I see. And then probably you can't serve. I mean, no, at the time... Maybe Sundays or something?

Yeah, definitely Sundays. So there's different things. customers were just plied with booze usually supplied by the women and the one would be like hey you want to the drink that sort of I don't mind if I do oh perfect yeah

and their job is to keep them drinking and once they're lubed up they'd be drunk robbed assaulted by bouncer whatever oh god the women are also sex workers so they could get your money that way doesn't sound like they need to

that the whole thing I thought was they were going to get you drunk and then bang you No, I think that... You have to pay for it, but... There's quite a bit of just taking their money. I don't like that. If I'm going to lose money, I want sex. Okay.

Yeah, so just to... If the options... Well, no, no, hold on. Let me backtrack, because that's going to hurt my congressional run. Yeah. I'm saying if my options are to lose money, no sex, and same establishment, you know, I'm throwing a little money back into the economy sex, and I lose the same amount of money, I'll have the sex one.

Okay. Thank you. But also they can do both. They can give you the sex and still rob you. I'm better with that one. They essentially want all your money. Sure. And they're going to get it.

Look, you know, as long as I'm, as long as I'm nothing, I don't mind having nothing. Okay. That was really upsetting. So sometimes customers just got beat up, you know, instead. In 1876, the New York, the York Times was printing headlines like, Burt's Rag again. Burn rag again. Quote, Officer Brown of the 29th precinct on Saturday made a raid at the notorious den on 114 West 13th Street.

So you'll notice it's moved. Occupied by William McGlory. So now he's calling himself McClory instead of McRory. I like that. I do too. I'm curious where that takes us. Well, remember his alias was Gilly McGlory. Yeah, so now he's just adopted that.

Yeah, it's a good. but killing is pretty close to Billy McClory. When I looked at my stalker's alias list, which she had, there was a lot of stuff where I'm like, oh, so she's been hanging on to that last name for a couple of fakes.

She's falling in love with that one. Willie McGlory, formerly keeper of the burnt rag at 50 Bleaker Street, 21 arrested, and McGlory was held for trial on $1,000 bail. So he's moving his saloon around. Right.

Billy's family connection also traveled in crime circles. Half-sister Honora, so he's got a mom and a sister. Yeah. Well, it's a beautiful name. Yeah. Why would you not keep it? What a great way to Honora your mom. I mean, I knew when I wrote this that was coming.

No, you didn't. Yeah. I admit that it came in the perfect way. She married Thief Hugh Campbell. Hello, I'm a thief on his Tinder profile. Thief. By the early 1870s, he had a ruthless reputation amongst cops and journalists. Billy got married on January 29th, 1877 to an unknown woman.

To a who? Unknown woman. Oh, okay. And then in April, he just bailed on her. Yeah. Probably why we don't know anything. Yeah. She tried to prosecute him in court for abandonment.

quote, Miss McGlory also stated that when she married him she had $1,000 which she gave him, and besides abusing her shamefully, he had failed to return any part of the money. The judge ordered Billy to pay her

$6 a month in support. Wow, six bucks a month. He made off like band in that one. Yeah. And now we know why he married her. She had $1,000. Sure. A couple of months later, the Tribune reported that Billy's mom, Honor,

another sister, Marianne, Billy, and a guy maybe having an affair with Honor. James Hennessy were in court. Oh. So it really is family. It's a family thing. Yeah. So Honor's

husband, the thief, he's in Sing Sing now. Uh-huh. And the Daily Herald now says Billy is the owner of Burnrag number three. He's moved the burn rig again. I like how he's never changed the name. No, he just changed the number.

He's like, dude, you got a winner. What are you going to do? The burnt rag? You're not going to come up with another burnt rag. Quote, James Hennessy barkeeper was unfortunate to become fascinated with Mrs. Campbell. Okay. That's honor. The mom.

No, that's the sister. Okay. And heads a row, which brought this family before Judge Morgan. It happened yesterday at 2 o'clock in the morning. in front of the McGlory's abode at 354 West 16th Street. Not a terrible area now. Yeah, that I don't know. The bleaker location, I'm pretty sure I used to do an open mic at.

I'm serious. I literally think it was called the Village Lantern. That's funny. You're not laughing. I laughed a little bit and then I stopped. Mr. Sorry, Mrs. McGlory and her son Billy, so the mom and Billy. attacked Hennessy and Miss Campbell

when she took his side. Okay. Miss Mary and McGlory to make things more interesting attacked her sister, Onora. So it's Billy, Sister Marianne and mom fighting with Honor and the guy. Wow. It was a fight all around,

and the worst sufferers were Hennessy, whose head was pretty well battered, and Ms. Campbell, who lost three of her teeth from a blow by her brother. So... So, Honora the sister got punched in the mouth.

By pill. And Hennessy has a bad head injury. Yeah. Which is payback, honestly, because I'll tell you, there's a number of times where I felt like I've had a bad head injury from Hennessy. So it's an interesting parallel.

The uproar was so great that the 16th Precinct brought a squad of men on the scene and arrested all parties. Judge Morgan fined Billy and his sister Honorah who lost three teeth, $10 each. Okay. It's pretty good. Although at this time, I would imagine they didn't,

like she probably now just had no teeth in front. Yeah. You're not going to get those. No, you don't get those ones back. in September 1878 Henry Snyder was beaten in the burnt rag Sure Billy said he had to hit him with a chair and self-defense

because Snyder pulled a knife That happened, yeah He went to Chamber Street Hospital and was told he needed to be transferred to Bellevue because his wounds were so serious About 10 in the morning Two men came to see him and said they were taking him to Bellevue.

Okay. To the hospital. Yeah. And then he vanished. Watching Luke take his eyes off the road to try to find whatever item it is that he's questing for. So, I mean, he's pining for whatever he's looking for.

Just another water. How many waters have you had today? A lot. What's going on with the water thing? He's drinking a lot of water because it feels better when he has water in his mouth because he has a two thing. Oh, right.

Remember he said that earlier? It was one of the weirdest things I heard, but I said, okay. Yeah, just let it go. I'm relating to the story a lot. I bet you are. Luke is relating to the story. So now his family is frantically searching for the guy. Right.

The Tribune quote, the men who called at the hospital were John Thompson, the comedian. John Thompson the comedian. Hey, what are we doing here? And half-brother of McGlory and James Kelly. That's right. Let me do the talking. They took Snyder to the Occidental Hotel in the Bowery where he was... Hey, I didn't mean to take him there, but it was a bit of an accident.

How are you? I'm a comedian. How are you? How is everybody? Hey, we're here to find the truth and not the tooth, although she lost a few of those. How are you? How is everybody? Okay. We didn't really expect a comedian show up here at 10 in the morning. Well, I'll tell you what. I didn't expect to be here here. Normally I'm performing at 10 in the evening. Okay.

That's what some of my shows are. All right. You should come check one out. A lot of crowd work. I'm sorry, why are you here? It's a hotel. I'm not 100%. I'm with them, though.

So we're just, we're transporting into Bellevue. Why are you at the hotel in the Bowery then? Why am I at the Bowery? Well, listen, a hotel's better than no-tel. Is this comedy? Oh, no, here it is. You know what they call it a hotel? That's when the brothel starts talking.

That hoteled, that's a hotel. And I use that term because it's up the time. In the future, we probably will be much more understanding towards that kind of work. In the future, you remind me a lot of the comedy of Rob Snyder. Oh, that's a huge compliment. Rob is very good. Rob is very good. Rob is a very good comedian.

He's, you know what I like about Rob? Nobody gave his shit. and then he pretended to be pro-life, and now he's huge. He's a good friend. Every time I see Rob Schneider, I wish I was pro-death. You'll be all that your comedy's kind of pro-death. Come on now. So they take him at the Occidental Hotel of the Bower,

where he was convinced not to press charges against Billy. When Snyder's family found out where he was, Snyder was quickly moved to Billy's mom's tenement building, which she owns. Uh-huh. Snyder's sister went to the tenement but was not allowed inside, and Snyder lead on the window and said, I'm fine. Billy appeared in court the next day,

but Snyder did not make an appearance as a witness, quote, as he had done out with McGlory's brother to take, as he had gone out with McGlory's brother to take a walk. Okay. Why isn't your witness here? He went out with the charged brother for a little walk. Oh, that sounds lovely. Your Honor.

Not you. I'm a comedian. I'm having a laugh. I mean, I always do comedy. We're having a joke. I never not do comedy. That's how I'm terrible at this. I'm really bad.

I don't think I'm that bad at it. Okay. In December 1878, Philip Marks went to Billy's saloon around 3 a.m. And Marks walked up to the bar, pulled out a wad of cash, peeled off a bill, in order to drink.

Normal 3 a.m. Was there a closing time? No, it kind of stayed open all the time. Awesome. He was then attacked from behind and beaten bloody. Yeah. Because he can't pull out of watercash. Yeah, it's crazy.

It's insane. I'm on the side of theft. This is like a, this is like a suicide in a way. It's crazy. So the beating became a big story for some reason. I don't know why. Because people were beaten all the time, but this guy got press. the New York Daily Herald headline was

The Bowery Outrage Marks pointed out the men who beat him to police and quote, gave their names as Peter Thompson a song and dance man. Hey! And waiter Leroy Peters who was a deaf mute. We're talking about two,

I wonder how those guys hung out. Jesus Christ, one of them both say a thing, The other one, shut the fuck up. I know which one I am out of those two. He also said Billy was there, so he was also arrested. Okay. And then also arrested was John Flynn, who had apparently taken marks after he was beaten to a restaurant that Flynn. Would you want to get a shrimp?

My friend dear will do the scampy. I know. Yeah, I was going to say it's scampy time. My friend here will do scampy, and I will have the Bolognese. You know what's nice after a beating is a beautiful, subtle scampy. There we are. You just wake up into a scampy. The restaurant was a one-one-three-one-third afternoon.

And that's where he was held. Maybe to try to get more money or for a ransom. Sure. Either way Flynn was then arrested for kidnapping. Okay. Flynn also happened to be the guy who held the liquor license for the burnt rag. Okay. So.

So. It's like the elevator certificate. It had to be on site. Well, I don't think, I think McClory didn't want it so he could run it and then not. Oh, like keep it out of his name or something. Yeah. So this is the end of the burnt rag. The licenses pull.

God damn it. Because you can't do it kidnapping. She can. At the burnt rag? Yeah, you should be able to do whatever. So, but then there's no charges. There were accusations of coercing a witness. The judge was so concerned about that that he denied Billy and everyone's bail for a long time.

And at one point, Billy's lawyer got Mark's doctor's report to show that he had healed. So he said that if he's healed, Billy should get bail. This guy got better. Why is my guy still being held if this guy's fine now? The person they almost murdered is out. They should be two. What are we doing here? Good Lord.

Where's the justice? The judge was like, no, that's insane. Why? That's not how it works. Look at his style. All the proofs is gone. If they go in, then they should go out together. Your Honor, we gave him scampy.

Oh, my God. He's scamping this guy. This fucking judge keeps acting like this guy didn't get any goddamn scampy. So Billy opens up a new salute. I can't wait for this name. Armory Hall. Okay, better. Better.

Better. At 158 Hester Street. This, he turns into one of the city's most famous joints. Okay. He has can-can dancers. Oh. Boxing matches. I love a can't-can.

And then boxes where the girls would squeeze every penny out of customers by selling overpriced booze and doing the sex stuff. Uh-huh. What do you mean? They were... The candies, suckies, all the things. Oh, okay. I didn't realize you knew the menu that well.

Oh, I have the menu in my house. Andy, suckies, jerkeys. Vigines. Okay. Assies. Jesus. Futsies. Oh, pretty bored.

Billy had trusted staffs slash thugs like John Kane and Andy Kelly who would beat up and throughout anyone who caused trouble. Also, it didn't cause trouble. Right. They were not to be robbed inside. But once out on the street, anything is fair game because now they're not in. So you got to throw them out and then rob them. So that's Billy's big rule. Right.

Once outside, they can literally be robbed of everything. And it was very common for them to be stripped naked. I like that move. You know, it just kind of makes you not want to fight anything. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like if you're naked, you're like, well, shit. Well, I got to figure this out first.

You just see a guy walking home naked. Hey, how was he on? tonight. I was robbed. Yeah, it was a good night, though. Yeah. It's a nice place. Like having to go into a place and say, they took my money when you're naked is worse. Excuse me. Hold on. I know you're having a good time. They took my money. Yeah. Hey, buddy, uh, your stuff's out. Could I have a sasperilla? What are you going to pay with? Oh, yeah. They took everything. Yeah. It's hard to sit on these leathery bars stools. Yeah, you're going to stick.

Yeah. You ever wonder if cats' butt holes hit the surface they're sitting on? Because I have an answer. I don't. Okay. See you later. Do they? See you later.

Do they? I will reveal the answer in part two. There's no part two. Oh, okay, then no. They don't. How do they not? God made them like a parliament filter, just a little indentation. Is that true?

Yes, true. But it's a 24-hour buttoe, so you can always see it. Oh, you can always see it. The butl's never hidden on a cat. That's really one of the things that's always so strange about our relationship with the animals is the fact that it's like, I would feel very uncomfortable walking around with hole showing all day. Yeah. But like a dog or a cat, you're like, hey, there we go. Look at that.

And then they're so comfortable, they're like, I'm going to eat my ass for a minute. That we should nap. But my dogs are like three times a day. Can I sniff your butt hole? Yours? No, my, no. Oh, each other's, yeah. Each other's butt.

Like, the walk over and start sniffing. I'm like, you just did that two hours ago. I know. I'm catching up. I'm catching up on him. It's like their version of posting. Ah, I know you got a new thing in there. That's nice.

Oh, so you went to the far side of the fence. That's interesting. Okay, so Billy's bouncers were mostly criminals that he knew from five points, who were, quote, some of the most expert rough and tubble. fighters of the period. Okay. So they strolled through the saloon. They would have pistols showing knives, brass knuckles.

Hey, here's a question. Why'd you go there? And bludgeoned. Why would you go there? I actually went there to get bludgeoned. Why would you like, you'd be like, I don't know, robbing people pretty hard here. But at least the girls will do a foot job. Can I get a tequila and then a knife between my third and fourth rib? Yeah, go outside.

All right. Army Armory Hall makes Billy a fortune He would By the time he said he would sell for 100,000 So over the time he has it It's a fucking hot joint Sure

I can't believe I just said hot joy I can't believe I allowed you to say it I was like But I think you're like in the time right now I'm in the time Yeah you're like it's a hot joint It's a lot of hustle and bustle Oh you've got games as far as the eyes can see fellas

So So a visiting, so now reporters from around the country would now go there because it's so notorious just to write about it. Uh-huh. So a visiting reporter from the National Inquirer described Armier Hall as having, quote, a beastliness and depravity compared with which no chapter in the world's history is equal. Okay. So the roughest bar of all time. Yeah. It was the spot for thieves, pickpockets, conmen, and continued that way for years. It'd be able to steal your own stuff back after you were robbed. It really would.

I'm going to pick his pocket. Now I'll pick your pocket. There were often barroom brawls, gang violence would break out in there all the time. So when you go off in the street, there's two double doors, and then you walk down a long 50-foot hallway. that is completely painted black and there's no lights. That's cool. So that's what they would you go to

like the worst establishment ever for theft and you'd walk down a dank, dark hallway where you couldn't see anything. It sounds like going to prison. It's insane. So no lights, like I said, and then it opens up into a dance room that could fit 700 people.

You know, part of the, of it's the age, but I just would hate every part of this. There's nothing about this at life. 700 people in a place would absolutely be the worst thing ever. The best place I went to is speak easy in San Francisco. And because I was with someone who knew the owner, I went into the front part and it was packed. And then there was a second, you get through a second wall. Yeah.

And it's not as packed. And then there's a third room. that's behind another wall that is like hardly anybody. And yet you claim to be a socialist. And that's strange. Once you're given access to the palace, you don't give a shit about anyone, do you? And that's where I ran with the big boys.

Yeah. All the Titans of Industry. No, and it's always so great when I mean, I've known a couple of those where you get into the little sneaky room and you're like, I'm in the sneaky room. Yeah. Oh, this is where the good booze is. Yeah.

And the Coke. And the cocaine. and the dances. I used to go to this guy's bars. He ran a couple bars in L.A. and a couple in Vegas. And he loved to do Coke. Sure. And then he'd love to have you ask him the entertainment-only questions from trivial pursuit decks.

I mean, that's pretty normal. And so you'd just be there and you'd just like say what he'd be like, Marilyn Monroe. And you'd be like, yeah. And you'd be like, it's kind of a one-sided relationship. Because I would love to do something else. This is a new version of Trivial Pursuit called Show Off Trivial Pursuit? I have E. I got them all memorized.

Luke is on Water 9. You can't drink that much water. That's coming from me. Have you taken an Advil or anything? Okay. Okay. All right, well, I'm worried. Our diagnosis is out.

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Well, we don't call it jackshack. There's a lot of stuff that goes on in there. There's sucking. There's jacket. I remember. There's a vagina. She starts jerking you off. I'm sorry, I ordered foot.

Oh, sorry, this is for another table. Big spending out-of-towners knew about it now, and they would come. Sure. Despite the everybody. right? So they can get robbed, but they're like, yay. In the boxes, the ladies entertained, and it was called, quote, even more degraded than the hay market, which is like a famous, naughty, dirty spot. Okay. He also had dudes dressed in women's clothing working as waitresses, and they'd move throughout the crowd, singing and dancing. They were, quote, painted like women

and had high voices. Painted like women? And he very much in, encouraged gay activity amongst all the pages. It's just very progressive in a way. I do think. Or is it just capitalism trumps everything? Well, I think capitalism jumps everything. But I also think amongst this class, they're kind of fine with everybody doing everything. Sure.

It's the religious and riches that get mad at this. But everyone else is like, hey, Frank's a lady today. Yeah. And they're like, whatever. Right. Um, in January 1879, Billy was indicted for running a disorderly house, which is a brothel. Okay. But he just didn't go to court.

I didn't realize that was an option. And he had put down a $500 bail, so he just forfeited the bail, and then that was it. That was the end of it. That's awesome. Nothing else happened. He's like, oh, I just don't go, and you get the money. There you go. Yeah, I just didn't want to go.

It's like getting fine $500, then you're done. Yeah, right. Although that's gotten worse, obviously. I remember one time I didn't pay like a parking ticket or a sub-ticket. And when I went to the courthouse... That's the worst. I was like, wait, what? That'd be $700.

It's crazy. And now, you know, they're putting... They legalize the cameras they were, so L.A. is going to be covered in cameras. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. It's good because we live in hell. Because the poor should pay for everything, not the wealthy. Yeah, right.

So he opened up some other drinking holes like the Windsor plays, all focus on vice, bringing in big crowds, looking for music, gambling sex. They all have brawls, they have scammers. Staff are getting arrested. In 1885, Billy's brother Michael was convicted of drunken destruction. I couldn't find anything else about this, but that's... I mean, probably just super disorderly. Proud of. Drunken destruction.

Yeah, that is. Yeah. Journalists would go to write about it, like I said. One described Armory Hall as closed the most vicious resort he had ever seen. But they're all dying to go there. And write about it. It is vagusy. Yes, it's Vegas.

But they're also like, they want to go there and have the craziest description. Right. Which makes other people want to go there. So it's just feeding on itself. Yeah, right. So reform candidate, Abram S. Hewitt became mayor in 1887, and he promises to clean up the vice and red light districts. So this would start a long battle. But when authorities tried to close Armory Hall in 1889, they ran into problems.

Now, he is supposed to be connected to Tammany Hall, which I'm sure he was. Right. So the next mayor comes in, who's also a reform mayor. Wait, the one mayor didn't do shit. Tried to, couldn't do shit. So the next guy comes in, Hugh Grant. What? Yeah.

He's going to love this place. He was going to fucking dig this spot a lot. I was just wondering, could I shoot it on your hand? Wait, I forgot, did he get caught with a trans woman? No, he got caught with. He was a trans woman. No, it wasn't. That was just Murphy?

Huh? Yeah, he got caught with a black prostitute name. I can't remember what her name was. But yeah, no, he just, he was in Beverly Hills. And he got, like, yeah, he was in Beverly Hills. And she was a street walker? Or was she a... I think she was just a sex worker.

I don't know. I don't remember. In a car. Yeah, she went in the car. And then the cops were like, ah, there we go. And there was like, you know, she was doing something. This is when he was dating Elizabeth Hurley, and everyone was like, oh, I can't believe it.

And then he went on the Tonight Show, and he was like, oh, gosh. Oh, yeah. My dad just got me into another bit of a predicament. Jay Leno was like, what are you going to do? And then that was the night that Leno started beating Letterman because America is the dumbest place of all time. I forgot about that.

Yeah. Fuck. Then we had to deal with Leno. Jesus, we really, that was, that was the, still the darkest time in American history. Leno having the Tonight show. A moment of the light when you got caught in thought of her mouth. I was just very OJ

It's got to be It's got to be such a bummer To be getting A Hummer from a sex worker on the street And then the light comes in the window Oh yeah No Aye

Yeah Let me finish Oh God, I'm a huge actor What have I done? Oh gosh Okay, so He meets with the new mayor Hugh Grant

And said Billy says he has been trying to rent out the building that the armor is in as a church, but he just can't find any tenants to move in. Look, Hugh, I've been really wanting to convert this money-making machine that is renowned throughout the country to a place of worship. But I just can't figure it out. Take anybody to do it?

But I'm here. So that obviously didn't go over well. A month later, police go to Armory Hall and reported that they've seen nothing. Nothing obscene, nothing in proper, quote, not even a can-can. I didn't even see a can-can. Ice out-can cans.

Sensing this was going to be a serious problem, Billy sells the building to a furniture manufacturer, auctions off the bar, the piano, the icebox, and the stage scenery in June 1889. So $100,000 is what he gets. Okay. Which is a crazy amount of money. Sure.

He then buys the Hotel Irving, which is a respectable restaurant and boarding house in uptown Manhattan. Not anymore. Not anymore. But then he turns it quickly into an all-night saloon and dance hall, and it's right across the street from the New York Academy of Music and very close to Tammany Hall. So he's just gone in to the middle of the mall.

Yeah, he's just changed like... He's punching him in the mouth. Right. Like they came after him and he's like, all right, how about I show you how it works? They're like, oh, God. So complaints just coming in immediately. People are flipping out about the music. There's violence on the street.

But the cops are not doing anything. Imagine. But he is now irritating a whole new group of people who have influence. And the New York Herald does this huge expose revealing what a fucking hellhole it is. Okay. And the evening world paper also gets in on the attacks, and so people, they're getting people just fucking riled up.

And now they're not just going after Billy, but all these types of saloons. They recalled the quote, Outlaws of New York, the men who run in defiance of law and order, resorts, where men are nightly robbed of goods and reason, where women are shameless,

where crime in its worst and dangerous, deepest shades is fostered and encouraged. Isn't it funny that the solution and the issue to all of that is money? It's like amazing how long we've been trying to figure out why this everything's so fucking crazy. Yeah. And it's always just money. It's money. It's money.

It's money. It's money. And, uh, you know, is a really bad idea. So now the city passes reforms. So they go after Billy first. Because liquor license is pulled. but he just keeps selling booze without legal license. Sure.

And then his longtime bartender, Edward Kelly is arrested. And then after that, Billy is arrested as the owner. And the prosecutor now, because of the laws that have been passed, he just has to prove crimes are happening there. So way up.

That Billy knows. So he shows that Billy just didn't know, but he took part. And Billy came to the trial. So they arrested him, the tombs, but he comes to the trial in his, quote, fine brown beaver overcoat and high silk hat. Now, it's interesting because I would think you come in a more meek ensemble. You would think so.

But instead, he dresses like a Bucky's spokesperson. Well, he clearly thinks he's untouchable. Right. He's all going to get away with this, too. So the trial. By the way, you wear a beaver jacket around me. You're very touchable. That is a fun to pet fabric.

So the trial's not long. Several people testified, including a florist. He ordered plants from but never paid. And then the most damn there were all these people he worked with. An investor said he got screwed over. One of the sex workers said she got screwed over. Don't. A bookmaker.

What? The jury can mix him in seven minutes. That's cool. That's not a long time. Literally. Is there enough time to walk into the jury? And most of that was dinner orders. So Billy's sentenced to a year of hard labor at Blackbell's Island for running a disorderly establishment.

Part of the commission forced any saloon he owned to be closed and barred him from reopening one in New York until 1896. What year are we in now? I think we're, I think it's like 92. Okay. Or it could have been 91, but it's like five years. Right. So while he's in prison, Billy became a member of the Salvation Army and said he now supported the temperance movement. What?

Lies. No. Lies. Why would that be lies? So now I'm a member of the Salvation Army. And, yeah, I think all this terrible debauchery with this. It's the booths. It's the boost.

and we got to stop it. That's what made me do it. God. So glad I found you guys. But then when he gets out, he said that the temperance thing would not actually work because he was a, quote, awful example. Wait. He's saying, he's saying, I can't fight for temperance because look at what I've been doing.

Right. You know, now that I'm free, I realize I should be doing what I used to do. Just a non-Aish guy. Oh, really? A real one? Yeah, down with his little horse carriage, trotting along. Oh. But the Detroit Free Press quoted him by spelling it, Hoffel Hexample, H-A-W-F-U-L-H-E-G-Z-A-M-P-L-E.

What kind of accent is that? Hoffel Higzample? Is that like a New Yorkie? Huffle? Huffle. Hesimple. Higzamp. Higzamp.

That's what we're going to need when we convict Pete Hegstaff. Oh, that'll never happen. Oh. If anything, he'll be made emperor. Oh. Right after getting out... I got a good feeling.

Right after getting out, he re-emerged in New York Society and attended a very high-profile bare-knuckle boxing match between John Sullivan and Patty Ryan at Madison Square Garden he's just there there's more

there's more buggy we got a bunch of Amish out here now yeah buggies and uh yeah for those of you wondering there are a lot of Amish out here oh we're in Pennsylvania duh we're in Dutch country we're around Lancaster probably

oh man so he's just at there openly hobnobbing with cops and politicians and prominent sports figures. Gets a lot of media attention. All right. I can pay it's just UFC night.

What? It's UFC night. Yeah, basically. Yeah. The New York Herald then dubbed him the Vicker General, mocking his flirtation with religious reform. Right. So what's how the law goes back after him? And they serve him to appear for unpaid bills to a liquor distributor.

but they can't find him to give him the papers. That is really one of those gray loopholes with being served. Did you see the Mr. Pillow guy getting served? Mr. Pillow is my new favorite name for my pillow guy. Mr. Pillow. Hello, I'm Mr. Pillow. I used to smoke crack and now I've been served at CPAC. Yeah, it was awesome.

I'm getting interviewed on television. On television, when he was just on some dickhead's website. The reporter's like, oh, no, what is this? Yeah, the report is like, what are you serving it for? He's like, not now. We're talking about the future of America. Mr. Pillow, you're under arrest. Same with you, Mr. Smarty.

And you, Mr. Meen. So they can't fight him. And they're trying to find him for a long time. And then they find him guilty of contempt for avoiding being served. And then he finally comes to court. Okay. But that went on for like a year. So when he gets to court, he's being questioned.

He said he went to college for a year and now live with his wife. Yeah, I was at college. I just learned how to be a bunch of stuff. He said he learned how to be a blacksmith at college. Now I'm a blacksmith. I went to blacksmith at college. Who wants a sword? And then, because they're trying to now find out his financial situation, right?

So you can pay back people. Oh, it's a fire. That's a lame-ass fire. California does way better. That's what happens on the Amish get a phone. So he says he lives with his wife in a home. He thinks she owns, but he's not sure. We never talked about it.

Well, because he never asked her because, you know, quote, to tell you the truth, sir, I don't know. I never asked her. It wouldn't be decent seeing she's giving me her goodwill. So he doesn't know how much she makes and what she does for work. And if she owns the house. I'm coming for couples to talk about that. Well, that's rude. Why would you ask your wife that?

Excuse me? I am a gentleman. He also claimed he had been sick since graduating from the institution at Blackwell's Island. It's a prison. Right. It's graduating from. The evening world noted he was now dressed in a moth-eaten coat. So that was what he was there.

Now he's like, oh, and the moths took everything, too. Well, now that he's on trial to see how much money he has. He has nothing. No, he has nothing. The Moss took it. The trial allowed the liquor distributor's lawyers. The law... They ate some holes in my memory, too.

I don't know what's going. I don't remember a bunch of stuff. The trial allowed the liquor distributor's lawyers to bring in witnesses to disclose all money he'd made over the years. Okay. So the evidence is... That's not good. The evidence is very against it. The Moss took it.

Yeah. I don't know. He still appeared to own the Irving Hotel. Then he suddenly became too ill to go to court. He's like, I'm way too sick to show up to this because he's getting hammer. Yeah. So the judge had him arrested. The judge then ordered him to pay the $766.

Oh, this is all over $766. He sold the Army Hall for $100,000. This is over $766. I don't know how much my wife. makes. So he either pays it or goes to jail. By March 8th, he hasn't paid it, so it's just a couple weeks. And with interest, it's up to 1,100.

And then suddenly the papers report that Billy's in Denver dying of consumption. Ah, damn. Got him. Not happy. Got it. Sucks. On July 1st, 1893, the evening news headline was, quote, jail for McGloy, the ex-divekeeper, arrested in his home in Baldwin's Long Island. He had just returned from Denver where he wasn't dying.

So he went on vacation. Basically. And he was like, he's dying. He must stay in jail until he pays the judgment. After six weeks in jail, his mother declared, he tried to have his mother declared mentally incompetent. to get control of her assets, which included the denim building. He's a good kid.

He is. He's a good guy. Although she might not have been a great mom. Still. In 1896, there were a bunch of towns who suddenly became worried that Billy was going to open a saloon there. So all these towns... It's like a data center.

I looked at it. Yeah, totally. I looked over the... And there's just all these towns. Like, Buffalo was freaked out. Rockville. They're all just scared. You don't want him coming to town.

Yeah. Some bought the land. They thought he was eyeing and turned it into a park to stop him. That is the way. America became beautiful for fear of a Billy Taver. But there's no indication he was considering it. Yeah, that's just if you're like a landowner, you're like, you know, they say Billy's going to open a tavern over there. Oh, God, get a park going.

Oh, okay, you got to buy it off me. But also like, how do you know that's the plot? So they've been basically... Yeah, exactly. So I mean, you just be like... He's been looking at this one a lot over here. God, we've got so many pox now. I'm going to buy Maine.

I'm buying Maine. So then it was reported Billy had moved to Syracuse with his wife. Oh. Some of the associates joined him. Billy bought an old temperance resort called Amwood Park, which had previously been home to William Party's first class temperance resort. Okay. The Temperance Resort.

The Temperance is just not going to be like a cool bar. It's just... Welcome to Temperance. The Temperance Resort had swan boats on two man-made lakes. There was a merry-go-round and a picnic spot. Quote, it being strictly a temperance resort, parents need not fear to allow their children to go unattended. Excuse me? Hold on.

Sorry there, Mr. Epstein? Welcome to Petto Island. Don't worry. Your kids can now hang out here, and you don't have to worry about it's being drunk. Well, this is definitely a time when they always tried to... The whole temperance move, it was mostly pushed by people going, like, they're leaving, they spend all the money on booze and the kids are starving. Yeah, right.

So Billy said he would rename it Elmwood Elysium, and the plan is to turn into a hotel, concert hall, boating lake, and bar. Okay. So locals are freaking out. Yeah. The Reverend James King called his community to action, warning them of, quote, Tufts and hoodlums

that would be running loose on the streets of Syracuse. Luke is about to go into water 10. 10. So legally drowning on Earth. Yeah, he got one. Quote, we must uphold the good reputation of the neighborhood.

Protect your homes, your children, and your church, and fight in a body to down this great evil which threatens us. He is a data center. I mean, it's really crazy how much they're scared of a bar.

Yeah. It's a bar. Yeah. So a meeting was held days later, and a hundred citizens formed a law and order league and they were really mad at William Pardee for selling the land to a guy who would bring the five points to Syracuse. Mm-hmm. But Billy was so rich, they all knew it would be really hard to stop him. So they tried to stop him from getting a liquor license, but he got one.

And then they were really mad at the guys who, the two guys who gave the liquor license. But still construction is not starting. And after a year, Billy said, quote, I'm feeling underappreciated. Yeah. And he says he's putting the property up for sale. Wrong. Yeah, you're right. How'd you know?

Because he's plain victim. That's what they do. They do that to elicit sympathy. And then they're so like Elon does that all the time, you know, or they just do this thing where they're like, oh, don't you feel bad for me? Yeah. Trump does it. They all do this like, woe is me.

thing and then they still do the evil thing. Yeah, right. They always posture like they're going to have a change of heart. Yeah. And then they get headlines out of it and then people start talking and then they do the shitty thing. Right. He told the reporter, quote, the people out there tried and convicted

me before they had the least idea of what I was going to do. I'm going to be a fucking nightmare. Here comes hell. He added that if he had started this type of business out west, the towns would be doing everything possible. Go there. To help it and keep it going. Go there. Yeah, right?

Go to Denver. Yeah. And yet, Elmwoods Elysium opened a year later. Doesn't surprise me. Reynolds, you saw the future. I did. But it really didn't matter because the whole venture,

oh, wait, so there was no huge concert all. There was an orchestra in a small theater there were variety nights with good music, beer, and vaudeville acts. No violence, no crime. Okay. In August 1897, the Syracuse Standard Reporter,

three black women were barred from entering due to their race, which was against New York law. They had passed one two years before sitting, businesses had to provide full and equal access. Okay. The three women sued for $500. and then two other women joined the lawsuit. But it really didn't matter because the whole venture was a disaster.

The Syracuse Journal called it a, quote, dismal failure. And in 1898, Billy said he was walking away and then he was going to become a Presbyterian minister. He keeps doing that where he's like, because he knows it's fucking with them. It makes them, it enrages them. Yes. Yeah. And I think it makes some people be like, he's not a bad guy. Yeah.

Yeah, I saw, dude, I saw. this clip of Trump the other day and he's going, he's just reading off the page and he's like, and in Corinthians, the second Corinthians, the best Corinthians. She's like, The best Corinthians.

The most awesome Corinthians. Unreal. He's so funny because he can just totally picture of being like, and then the best Corinthians, five, the one I love to read all, I read it all the time. Oh, well, they did.

I read to Villan. That interview, where they were like, are you an Old Testament or New Testament guy? He goes, ah, probably new. And then they go, and what's your favorite book? And he goes, I don't, I don't know. I actually never say my favorite book. I don't get in there like, well, just say, I'm really not going to do that, Mark.

I'm not going to do that. Yeah, I don't want to bias anybody. I think he says I like them all equally. I like them all equally. They're all really good. So he says he's going to close it. But then on May 25th, he returns, hoping to open Elmwood for the summer season. That only lasted a month.

And he closed Elmwood for good on June 21, 1899, as a combination of his reputation, boycotts, a lot of competing resorts in the area. Sure. On January 7, 1901, the Syracuse Evening Herald reported Billy was, quote, done with Syracuse. Elmwood Park was sold after foreclose. at the courthouse. They did it. They got him out.

They got him. So Billy leaves town. He now refuses to talk to reporters about it. Right. One wrote that his quote, face is hollowed in as he walks with the feebleness of age. That's not nice. He's 51.

He's 51. He's 51. And his head's cave again. His face is gone. After New York, once again, scrutinized his wife's holdings. He said he was leaving the city for the West because, quote,

of the constant razzled dazzle. Yeah. And yet, he persisted. On May 30, 1903, he was arrested for operating at an unlicensed saloon named the Emerald in the Bronx.

At his trial the next day, he said the violation was due to a clerical error in which he applied for a hotel license accidentally instead of saloon license. Oopsies. My bad. But he's worth a shitload, right?

I mean, yeah. He's got money. Why do you just don't fuck off? But he, I think he is spending all his money for sure. But he's, and I think buying, buying Elmwood and having to go bust,

I think that cost him a lot. Yeah. So this time he's unable to post the $500 bail and he gets held in Harlem prison. After he was released, he disappears from the public. In 1912, there were rumors he was living in poverty in a modest cottage along the East River at 125th Street. And then he was threatened with eviction by the owner of the property, which was the Pennsylvania Railroad Company.

Jesus. They wanted to build a dock. No one knows when he died. Some say he died in Orlando when he was 77. Oh, my God. What a nightmare. Yeah, right. Or it could have been the...

Can you imagine that being the last place you have... The worst. Oh, my God. Jesus. No, like you'd crawl just to the city limits. Or they said he could have been the William J. McGrory, who died at 70 in the Bronx. That was the last name, right? I believe that one.

Yeah, I do too. But his later years were marked by property to speech with family, including trying to declare his mother incompetent. and again. That's how I want my last, that's how I want to end it. Yeah. Just, are you going over land with my family?

Yeah. Last time you want to see your family is in court. Yeah. So, yeah, so that was it. That's the story of Bill McGlory. It's,

I mean, I don't know how long this episode was, but if we measure it in waters, it was six Luke waters. Thoughts on the first Van Dallup, Dave? I think it went fine. I think it was pretty good. Yeah.

It could be done. Yeah. It can be done. We'll see how it sounds. Yeah, we'll see how it sounds. I'm sure people will complain. People will complain. But this was done inside of Steve Ann.

I think people will be upset. They couldn't see the Amish people on the fire. Yeah, I get it. They should have a dashed hand facing forward. For the Amish, you would need one sideways out the side window. Sources, New York Times, New York, and the world newspaper. Detroit Free Press, Syracuse.com, the gilded hour.com, and the New Yorker. Thank you, everybody. Love you. Love you a lot.

You're all good people, except the people who complain.