The Downbeat - Alex Rudinger - Whitechapel

Episode Date: March 24, 2020

My guest this week is Alex Rudinger, back for a second episode. Last time we spoke Rudi was somewhat without a gig and in a dark place. Now he is behind the kit with Whitechapel and although a lot is going on with the world, he’s in a better headspace so we talk about that a lot. We barely talked about drums, we basically caught up and discussed the crazy stuff going on in the world, how it affects his touring plans and generally just hung out for a few hours. Be safe everyone!

Yo, what the fuck is up, everyone? Everyone out there in Corona World. Oh my God. It's getting pretty real right now. UK's on lockdown. We're not allowed to leave a house except for exercise in groups of two people or less or basic shopping. It's literally like something from a movie. Still in Glasgow.

Still not. home. I guess this is my home now. Just doing what I can to survive, my guys. I hope everyone's safe. I hope everyone's social distancing, not fucking going around and touching

people, obviously consensually touching people, like just for fun. Don't do that. That's dangerous. I hope everyone's sanity is okay during this strange time.

We're going to make it through, guys. I think we're going to do it. And hopefully, there'll be less disgusting people at the end. By that, I mean, I don't hope that the disgusting people perish. I hope people clean their hands more. Maybe I'll get food poisoning less. Maybe. Who knows?

I'm trying to do as many quarantine podcasts as possible. My problem is, and a lot of you message me about getting people on, my problem is I need them to have a decent microphone or else it will sound bad. And whether or not you think you want to listen to a bad podcast, you don't want to listen to a bad podcast, okay? Yeah, I've got some new shit in the web store. The pink hoodies are gone.

They're sold out. And as far as I'm aware, I spoke to my merch company today. We got the last order in before the lockdown. So the printing is happening and they will go out this week. When I hear anything, if I hear anything different, I will let you know. But as far as I'm aware, shit is going down. Then I think there's like 13 maybe of the downbeat 200 decibel podcasting tattoo shirt. And there's 13 of those left.

And then I just released today the Internal Atomics Play-Thru Pack. So you get three songs, Fortune Teller, First will be Last and Kickback. You get the songs without the drums, but with a click. So you can jam to them, a full mixed song without drums. and then a version without the click as well so you can make your own play-through videos comes with the sheet music transcribed by Mike Malian

by monuments from monuments he killed it it looks like it's a fucking orchestra thing you get the MIDI files so if you were a drummer if you're a guitarist or bassist or both you could make your own guitar or bass cover because you could just put the MIDI file

into Superior or any other or GGD or anything there's a guitar our profiles for the drums so you can if you prefer to work like that slow stuff down um what else is there i think that oh and there's three videos of me playing the songs so you can figure out what i'm doing um and it's 12 pounds so you know get it if you don't want to get that and you don't want to get a t-shirt do me a thing do me a donate i think there's a donate button www.the-downb-de-de-de-e.

You can leave me a little fucking dollar or something. I'm begging now. The world's hard. I'm begging. I said I'd never do it, but fuck me. Please help me. Help me.

Help me feed. My guest this week is Alex Rudinger. He's back. And a lot of people don't even know that he was here in the first place because he was episode two. He plays the drums for Whitechapel currently. And he's just the fucking man.

He's just come back from Drumio in Canada during the Corona crisis. I don't think we talked about drums once. Maybe we talked about drumio, maybe we talked about practicing. Huge bit on mental health. It gets pretty dark, which is rare by me talking about mental health. We talk about corona and the implications. We basically, he WhatsApp me this morning saying, what up, I haven't spoke to you in ages, let's catch up. And I just said, get out of bed and put a microphone on and let's just catch up on microphone. So that's what we did. Alex Ruedinger on the Downbeat podcast. You are, okay, you've just won two awards. Number one,

the very first person to do a second Downbeat episode. Oh, yeah. Congratulations. Cool. And you are the only person who has requested a fast count off for sinking purposes at the beginning of the fucking thing. Is this all going to be in the podcast? Yeah, of course it is. We're done. We started. Hell, yeah. So tight.

Oh, man. Yeah. How are you? I'm good, dude. I'm waking up still. Nice. Should I, I want to tell people how we started this. In general?

No. In general, you're waking up. I'm waking up still, so things are good. Yeah, no, no, no. I mean, I'm good in general and I am still waking up. I was waking up this morning and I saw that Crackett's and me an audio message that I forgot to check yesterday and I listened to it half asleep and I responded half asleep. I wish people could hear that because I sounded hilariously tired. And then Craig

was like, get up right now and get ready to do a podcast, impromptu downbeat podcast update slash general catch up with the homie. And then he convinced me and I got up. I haven't slept much. my body hurts and now we're doing it. How much, two things. How much just haven't slept much and what time is it? It is 10.20 in the morning. I went to bed. So early for you.

It is early for me. I mean, that's about right, but I stayed up really late doing some video editing and I went to bed. Man, you know what's crazy is like I used to be able to just work, work, work. And then like as soon as I finished working, I would just freaking go to bed. I'd just collapse. And now I like have to decompress. So like I must be getting old.

But yeah, like I, I gotten better on like 315, 3.30. And then I watched an episode of Westworld because I recently started that show. And I fell asleep around 4.30. So I slept like six hours, but maybe actually, I guess less than that because we. I. Yeah. Go on.

Yeah, you work up pretty early. I last night I stayed up pretty late but for different reasons I got into full drag makeup and my god really? And clothing yeah

if you look on my Instagram oh snap hold on I'm gonna pull it up while we're talking continue oh yeah I need a real time reaction yeah like full fucking drag makeup was done on me

by someone who can do makeup way better than me oh my God there you are how sick is that check out the fucking man, you look... The eyes.

That's what I did last night. I drank three margaritas and did that. Dude, you look beautiful. My God. Yo, it was sick. Yeah, that is sick. Are you on... Anyway, are you on West World Season 1?

Yeah, I just... That was the last episode I finished season one last night. Man, it's so good. And I watched the first episode of season 2, and I went, nope, I'm out. Really? It's that bad. Yeah, it bounced. I just, I personally didn't like it.

I don't want to give you any spoilers. Oh man, I was going to start that tonight, so I guess I'll let you know. I loved the first season. And then from episode one of the second one, I was just like, oh, no. It just seemed to me like they just tried to carry it on just to immediate. It starts like episode 11. Oh, wow. Okay.

Whereas it was kind of leading up to like, what's going to happen next? Is it going to be like, they've gone into the real world or whatever? but I've just spoiled that show for anyone. No, I mean, if people, because I agree, I had heard people talking about it. Dude, to be honest, what turned me off about it was the name, Westworld. Like, I had never heard of the original or anything. And I was just like, Westworld. I don't want to watch a futuristic-y show about the Wild West.

And, yeah, I just was very close-minded about it, I guess. but I finally started watching it. I do not pay for HBO, but I use a friend's account, which is fucking awesome. And I forgot that I had it. And I started watching it and was like,

holy shit, this is sick. So I don't know. It's a really, really, really well done show. Like, at least season one is.

It's pretty unbelievable, honestly. Yeah. The name thing, not just, checking something out because of the name. Yeah. Carnival for me.

Dude. Sound awake came out in 2010. I think I checked them out in 2014 because I was just like Yeah. Fuck no, I'm not listening to that. I just imagine it was circus music with like primus vocals.

And it was not. It's very fucking sick. Yeah. But yeah, just get it right, guys. Westworld, I get it because you don't have like, because it is an early film. But like, Carnival? I'm sorry.

Steve Judd is fucking sick. I've met him. I think he might even listen to the podcast, so I'm really sorry. But, fuck, fuck that name. Dude, yeah,

I actually, I didn't get into Carnival until way later. And the name, like, it didn't ever bother me that much, but it's because, like, I do think the name is kind of dumb.

No offense to all of them because I think, I mean, Sound awake is in my top 10 favorite albums of all time. So hopefully that makes up for it. But, like, I thought it was like some word I had never heard of. I was like, ooh, carnival. Like, the spelling's all weird. Like, oh, man, this must have some deep meaning or something.

So I like kind of, I let that one slide. But then later, I was. Maybe it does. Maybe it has some super deep meaning and I'm being absolutely ignorant. I mean, fuck, I better check that before I'm like, change a dumb. and then someone says, well, actually it was a, what's an Australian thing? I don't know, something fucking, I don't know, let's change the subject. I don't think, I just Googled it.

I don't think there is much else to the name. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. How's your quarantine? Man, it is quarantini. No, it's okay. To be honest, it has made me realize that, I do not, like this, like very, I'll put it this way, very little has changed. I just don't do workouts at the gym now. I started doing them in my basement. And I don't eat Chipotle as much as I usually do. Other than that, apparently when I'm home from tour, I pretty much self-quarantine on default.

So it's been fine. I'm kind of doing my thing. It was scary though, dude. And I mean, for anyone listening to this, obviously, if you listen to this soon, coronavirus has very recently become a thing and very quickly become kind of a big thing. And yeah, we're all currently, I'm in the States. Craig is in England, and we're all kind of.

is currently just going through this whole thing as a culture and society. But it's a, man, like, I was out doing drumio, like, this time last week, not even a week ago. It's been like four or five days since I got home. And the night before I flew out there, they were like, I started hearing from all these people, like, dude, are you really going to go to Canada right now? Like, shit's getting crazy. And so I called Dave and. we basically were like trying to decide if I should go. And to be completely honest, like I was pretty much like, no, I shouldn't go on this trip.

Like the tour I'm about to go on just got canceled, a bunch of other shit. And it just seemed like it was getting crazy. They just closed all travel to and from Europe or whatever. And man, so I, I just like wasn't going to go and we were going to reschedule. And then they, not to throw them under the bus, but. Dave kind of convinced me to go, him and Ash both. And I was like, yeah, you know what? I'm probably overreacting.

And then, like, the day I got there, it all got even worse. And I remember I met Jared, the other guy at Drummio, and he was like, yeah, you probably shouldn't have come out here. Nice. Straight off the bat. Yeah, yeah. He didn't say it like that, you know. I think they were happy to have me, though, because, uh, they were. They had like, that was the other thing is my drumio experience was a little bit strange because, you know, they weren't unorganized, but they were just, I think, a little bit distracted because of all this.

Like, they had, in the days that I was there, all the foreseeable artists they had coming out, like, canceled. And, I mean, I'll put it this way, like, the first day I was there, the entire staff was still in the offices and in the building, like, 30 plus people. and by day two, no one was there except the essential personnel that were needed to, like, actually do stuff with me. So it was, like, very quickly and rapidly changing, and I was, like, in another country for it. And then they started monitoring everything even closer to see if, you know, basically, if they caught wind that, like, they were going to close the borders, like, immediately, they were going to put me on the next flight home. So we were kind of working the whole time, but also like thinking that at any moment it could stop.

So thank you. No pressure. Yeah. You have to nail this take because you might not get a second take because there might be martial law. God. Yeah. I mean, that was pretty much it. I mean, sort of.

You know, I mean, they were like, look, if it doesn't, if it doesn't all work out and you have to go home, you know, we'll just get done and we can get done and have you back out at some point in the future. but, you know, so I wasn't like too stressed other than just the normal stress I have for doing anything like that, which is, you know, in my nature to be anxious about, I guess. Which, I don't know if you know this, Craig. Did you watch the, did you watch the live stream I did? I did not. I thought I had to pay for it. Oh, no, it was free, but it'll be on YouTube in like a month or two or something. They're going to make mine one of the free ones that eventually go to.

on YouTube. But... Cool. Yeah. So it was free to stream live, but I mentioned you, and you inspired the whole thing. Yeah, that's right, baby. Really? Why?

Because basically the bulk of my live lesson, it really wasn't a lesson as much it was just a conversation with performances scattered throughout. It was about... mental health and depression and anxiety and talking about it a little bit deeper. And I basically start the whole thing off by being like, you know, I did this podcast with my friend Craig on his podcast and we talked about it. Uh, did you mention the name? I think so. You fucking better have or else. God, I really, I really hope I did. No, I'm pretty sure I did. It doesn't matter. But either way. Every motherfucker knows about this podcast now anyway. It doesn't matter. Yeah,

it's just, that's because you're a, it's his own ecosystem now. Dude, that's because you're a living rock legend. Am I right? Rock. And I do margarias and drag nights. That's my life now. Anyway, carry on. Yeah, like, I basically was like, you know, this is something I talked about on a podcast, and it seemed

to get a lot of positive reaction. And similarly to the podcast, I felt like doing a lesson or like a talk with Ash at Drummio about it, it's kind of also something that's not like, you know, it's not like shoving it down your throat or posting about it on Twitter or Instagram or anything like that.

And that was another, you know, similar platform. So, like, I decided to talk about it there too. And, but it was cool. You know, I also talked more about, like, dealing with that stuff and how to, even some of, like, the positive ways that you can utilize those things to channel them in good ways, you know. So you were definitely, like, you know, talking with you on the podcast kind of inspired, the first podcast we did

kind of inspired all that it was pretty good I think I was really anxious which I kind of like fit in I was like if I messed anything up I was like I'm really anxious right now which works perfectly

with this subject matter you know but yeah they seem to like it I hope they weren't just saying that but they had never really had something quite like that so I think that was cool I saw the clips

I saw the clips of you playing the playing was incredible. Thank you. Those were done earlier in the day. We just did some little playing clips. I definitely mess some stuff up in the live stream a little bit, but that's all right, you know. But the thing is, like, I feel like everyone already knows you Brip.

They want the information in between the things. Like, I've seen some drummio things, and it's like, I don't know, it's the same reason I've started not doing that many drummers on the podcast. I feel like it's getting to the stage where it always, all the information is out there. Yeah. And the main guys, unless there's like, someone has a real different way of thinking,

there's not that much content there. Yeah. Like, I get the amount of people, like, I've been doing Instagram live streams all week, just like chatting shit to people. And I'll have people, you should get, mar, ma, ma, me, on the podcast. And it's like generic metalcore drummer, who is, yeah, very good at the drums. sure but I just know like what the fuck are we gonna talk about

yeah like so what what scrimms do you guys use oh cool oh you use those uh you use those heavy duty iron cobra springs like oh fucking I just like like I need more interesting shit

yeah I hear you good obviously I'll take absolute rippers that are out of fucking control because they're going to have an insight and they're going to have a different way of thinking that has led them to get that way. Well, regardless, I mean, I'm still honored to be doing it again.

And we can talk about not drums. I'd love that. We can talk about other stuff, dude. You know, we'll talk about memories past. I don't think we'll talk that much about drums. I want to delve into the whole fucking corona future. I want to find out how your mental health's going because I think since we last spoke,

my mental health went to the lowest point it had ever been. I know. I was worried. And now, perhaps, during this whole crisis and every tour I have potentially canceling, actually mentally, I'm real good.

Yeah. Dude. Which is weird considering, like, every day I get a phone call, like, this festival's canceled. This is canceled.

Blah, blah, blah. Isn't it odd how, like, I don't know, man. sometimes it takes going to like a fucking really bad place to kind of set you in motion towards something better or just feeling better in general than you ever really thought you might. As long as you make it out of that place though. Yeah, that's true. I nearly didn't make it out of the place.

I relate to that, dude. I definitely, 2018, man. I went to a very bad place. And I know we talked around that time. And I know I talked about it. I think even at that time though I was weary of discussing just how bad I had gotten really

yeah like I was I mean I was like suicidal and man it's like hard for me to talk about still it's just dark as fuck dude I like I don't even know if I should say some of the stuff I want to like I was going through and thinking

and you know man it's hard for me to you know did you said did you say on the drumio thing no i don't think i said that no i i i mean because i can relate i can i can really relate so if you want to get super dark super quick we can fucking go there and then we could climb out of it and talk about other shit yeah i mean we don't i mean i guess it's weird because it's one of those things we're like man i'm like it's not that i'm not proud of that stuff or anything. It's just like, holy shit, dude. I was like a different person as far as how I was thinking. And no, I think I said at one point in the drummio thing, I think I said like,

I can't remember the exact context, but I said something along the lines of, you know, I realized I had to make a change or I wouldn't have survived. And that was kind of like a, you know, PG way of saying that kind of, that I was like, way, fuck. up and yeah man it was it was kind of dark I don't know how I got there I mean I do but like it's it's crazy to think how much you can change like that I yeah well to be honest I think you should talk about it and I think you should talk about how you did change it and if you're worried about saying anything crazy I will raise you already that between I would say

October, 2019, and January 2020, I thought about killing myself all day, every day. God,

dude, I'm so sorry. That's fine. Now I'm like, I'll still have it, like, pop into my head. If I have a bad day,

it will pop into my head, and sometimes I'll let it, like, I will, I, see myself, like, fantasizing about it, and then I have to stop and be like, this is fucking insane.

And I've learned that actually I have, like, two people that I can fucking actually speak to. Because I don't know, have you ever tried telling anyone, like, hey, I feel like this. Usually, everyone's like, you need to see a doctor right now. I'm going to lock you up. Like, because they freak out.

Whereas I have two friends, Sam from architects, and a liker who I'm with right now. now in Glasgow where now I can just go like, hey, I just had this fucking crazy thought and I can't stop thinking it and then they sort of talk me down. But between January and now, I've had it once, which was ironically on my birthday. Jeez, I'm so sorry. It's fine. It's fine. That made me think of that like way old death clock song, birthday death day like from one of the original metal apocalypse. That's what I was, uh, that's, that was in my head. Yeah, but...

I get it, dude. I... And see, like, I hope my mom never listened to this, but, like, I... Um... I, like... I, like, wrote notes to people.

Uh, I, like, planned it out. I was not well, dude. Uh, yeah. It was really a friend that kind of kept me from moving forward there. Um, strangely. Wait, what were the... Were the notes, like... goodbyes

yeah yeah pretty much dude yeah it was it got dark dude like I don't know man I was not well it's like

one of those things where like I'm reluctant to like speak much on it but I mean I'll say that much um no I know it's like I think it's important

to talk about to some extent though but like you know I should also add that I was in therapy at that time I didn't know this at the time, but, like, uh, my therapist called my mother and was just like, look, I can't, like, tell you stuff, but, you know, he's really having a hard time, you know, please, like, look after him and we are also going to do that or he's also going to do that. Um, you know, like,

people were taking precaution and, and just, like, being there for me. And, um, I really didn't talk to many people about that at the time other than him. But yeah, man, I mean, to kind of shift it back, like, I'd say right now, I don't know if I would say that I'm happier than I've ever been, but I'm not unhappy by any means. Life is good right now. I think that there were a pretty extreme set of circumstances that put me into that mental place, and I'd been there sort of once, when I was. I was much younger and I know we talked about that in my last podcast. I can't remember exactly

what I said because it was a long time ago, but I know I talked about how like when I was way younger, I was very depressed and kind of just existed in this state. And then I finally wasn't after trying to change because I kind of had this blanket pulled over my head that I, that's what it felt like, that I had a blanket pulled off my head that I didn't know was there. The blanket thing I get. Yeah. I like... I think I described it to my friend while I was fucking screaming, crying. I was like, I just want someone to take my brain out of my head and wash it and put it back. Yeah.

It was just like cloudy, cloudiness and dark fucking horrible shit. Yeah. That's a beautiful analogy. Brain mug. Beautifully dark analogy. I actually read a book called Reasons to Stay Alive called by Matthew Hayes. which is a very good book. But he describes it, the best I've ever heard it described.

The best way of describing depression, it's like my head is on fire, but only I can see the flames. Damn, that's tight. I like that. I wish I wrote that. Yeah. Damn, that's sick.

It's got so dark, so quickly. Yeah, I love it. Sick, into it. But yeah, man, I mean, I don't know, Like, ugh, I don't know, dude. I don't remember where I was going with all that, but, oh, when I was in that place when I was younger, I remember thinking afterward, you know, in my early 20s, I was like, man, there's no way I'd ever go back to a headspace like that. But then I did when I was, you know, 2018-ish around there. and it was way worse.

And I'd like to think now that that'll like never happen again, but I don't know that, obviously. I was very surprising to me that it did happen again, but worse. But there were so many environmental factors going on in my life that really pushed me there. and it was kind of like a perfect storm of things all coinciding and happening at once. And yeah, I mean, uh, damn, what was I going to say? Oh, at any rate, though, one in this, I said this in Drummio, uh, that one of the positive things that came out of that is that I got asked about doing the intranaut album during that time and like it's not like I put all my energy into it overnight because it was a very long

process we wrote that album over the course of a year but dude when I listen to that stuff now like I'm like shit dude I don't think I would have come up with some of that unless I was like totally fucked in the head dude you know and it made me really think about the whole expression of like a suffering artist I was like damn like I guess there's some truth to that like I it's like, and dude, I didn't say this in Drumio. This is something I kind of wanted to say. Let me think of how to articulate it really quick. But dude, so some of the stuff,

I don't know if you've listened to the intranet album, but some of it's like outrageous. Like, it's very difficult material. And when I was writing it, like, dude, this is about to sound so dark, I think. Hold on. And it's like making me laugh. I know exactly what you're going to say.

I know exactly what you're going to say. Okay, well, yeah. Okay, yeah, I basically was just like, I had so much self-blame. I was, I blamed myself for things that in hindsight, like, I shouldn't have. But I basically, like, wrote all this crazy shit to like, it was like, it was like some masochistic shit, dude. I was just like, I'm going to do this and make myself do it even if it kills me. You know, it was like punishment, which is so dark, dude. But then like...

It's self-sabotage. Yeah. But then later, when I actually had it done and learned, it didn't feel that way anymore. And I was just left with this, like, sick shit that I had written. So... You originally wrote it as a form of self-harm. And then you actually just got good at it. Yeah.

So was that, is that pretty much what you thought I was going to say? Yeah. I was going to say that... you thought you would make it as hard as humanly possible to punish yourself for something that you didn't know you needed punishing for. Which is what I do with the gym. Yeah.

Particularly on leg day. Mm-hmm. And I will like just beat myself into the ground as some sort of, yeah, massacistic fucking shit. And to a lesser extent, what I see myself doing, which I have to stop, which is not as cool as the gym, or drums is when I'm in that kind of mindset,

which admittedly has only been this one time since maybe November, is I will like pick fights with people that I love. Really? Yeah, because I want them to fall out with me and then I have a reason, a legitimate reason to feel bad. Interesting. It's actual crazy person antics. I mean, it's, it's.

I don't, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, re, now I can realize I'm doing it. Yeah, I'm not sure. But I'll just, like, be short with people and try and pick a fight. And then when they do finally snap, then I go, ah, yes, that person doesn't like me. Now I deserve them not to like me. And then I was wallowing that for a bit. It's crazy. I mean, I don't know if that's, you realize how crazy it is.

Yeah, but I don't know if that's crazy in that you're aware of it. And I mean, it's one of those things. that... Oh, I'm only recently aware of it. But that's important. I mean, that's the difference between crazy and not, I think, is that, yeah, you being aware of it now, you know, having the introspection to realize what you're doing, you know, I mean, it's not, it's like, if anything, I think you're the opposite of crazy in that, like, you became

aware of it. Like, you were having these emotional responses. conscious or otherwise and you kind of was able, were able to analyze them and eventually, you know, see what you were doing. Uh, I think that makes you pretty not crazy, but I could be wrong. I'm not a doctor of any kind. So I, I, I don't know, man, like, the masochistic thing is something I relate to, though, in that like, and, and that sounds, you know, it's one of those things where like, I've been, part of the reason I didn't talk about that on, I'm at all is I was like, man, I don't know if this would come out, right? And that like, it sounds very

dark, but I do think to some extent everyone does that in some way more than others. It's like you said with the lifting. I think a lot of people that lift weights and work out have some of that. I think that I don't think that it's necessarily, depending on how you do it, I don't think it's an unhealthy outlet, you know, I think that having some kind of relationship, you know, I think that having some kind of release to these like human feelings can be a positive thing. I don't know. Like physical release, I mean, to like emotional problems. And I think all things considered working out or, you know, writing crazy drum parts and executing them or learning them is not a bad outlet. But again, maybe I'm too close to it or haven't analyzed it enough or something. I don't

know. Yeah. I don't know. Now I'm just ranting. But I don't think you're crazy, dude. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I'm crazy now. I was definitely crazy at the time. And I do definitely have, I've got my triggers that piss me off and start these things. And luckily I have at least two people in particular that go, you are doing your thing. Stop doing it. And then I kind of stop. Like my birthday was nearly a right off and then it was not a right off. Let's change to corona subject unless you've got anything. Let's get out of the hole. I'm glad you're feeling better. I think I'm glad I'm feeling better. Dude, me too. I think it's good to move on for some reason. If for some reason any of that sounded cool to anyone, it's not cool and I would pay any amount of money

or do anything to never be in that headspace ever again. Yeah. But, you know, I think it's also good to to let people know that, you know, that shit's... You know, it happens to fucking everybody, dude. Like, I was posting funny shit on Instagram while the whole rest of that day, I was thinking, hmm, jump in front of the bus, jump off the top of the roof,

like weighing it up. But then at the same time posting some crazy Instagram story where people are like laughing and sending me messages. Like, oh man, you crack me up. That shit is happening. That reminded me of like, I don't know why, but it reminded me of this bit that Tom Segura does. Have you watched his stand-up at all?

I've seen... I've seen one of them. A fairly recent one. There's one that's like... He just says, are you ever tired of being alive? Like, I'm not suicidal. I just feel like I've done a lot of shit and seen a lot of shit. And it's just like, how many days are there?

Can we wrap this shit up? Like, he was just... I don't know. It fucking kills me, dude. I love his stand-up. Yeah, but with that in mind, because I can relate stand-up to what I've been doing during quarantine, let's switch over to Corona, dude.

Speaking of stand-up, let's switch to the global pandemic. God, that probably didn't come out there. First, as of yesterday, the UK is on a government-inforced lockdown. You are only allowed to leave your house to buy, supplies essential. You're not allowed to go to work. You are not allowed to be in a group of more than two people. It's like a crazy fucking movie. But what tours have you had canceled? Okay, so the, I was supposed to be going to Europe and let's see, just under two weeks, I guess. Well, actually, yeah, yeah, just because a week from today I was supposed to be driving to Tennessee to rehearse and then we were going to

rehearse for a few days and then I was going to drive home actually and then fly to Europe from here so I could fly directly home afterward. So that tour's been canceled, like completely canceled. I think there was originally word of it being rescheduled but because of when they wanted to reschedule it with what else Whitechapel had going on in the future. It was just they had to just cancel it completely. So, like, you know, we were, a part of that was going to be a bunch of festivals. And so that's a huge bummer. And then we had, I don't know if I can say, actually.

All I know is it shouldn't come as a surprise, so I'll just say it. but the US run we had is very much up in the air, although I think that that will be postponed, if anything, meaning it'll be... When was it supposed to be? May June. Yeah. I think we have a tour that was supposed to start on April 15th,

and on April 1st we find out if it's been postponed. I assume it's going to be postponed. Yeah. But I The first thing I've actually seen rescheduled is We had a festival that was in May and it's been rescheduled for September Damn

But I heard Rumors of Tours being moved from April to July Which I can deal with I have enough money hopefully to get me to July If it's till September I'm fucked Yeah Yeah dude that's

I mean I wouldn't be booked in that I have I mean we can whoa what is that sound that is a siren there's probably a group of three three people somewhere damn it's crazy that I can hear a siren

in England in Frederick Maryland it's kind of funny to me but yeah I what was I gonna say for the record you know I don't want to throw anyone under the bus I don't know 100% if the US tour

is being postponed that Whitechapel's doing, I don't, like, I know there was, like, talk of it in our group chat, not of that, just that they were going to talk. Like, in their group chat, their manager also was like, hey, we need to talk about this, that, or the other. But I'm, you know, like the fill-in guy, I'm not, you know, so I don't get on those conference calls, you know, but I see that they're talking and I talked to Steve, their manager a little bit in that chat. Like, so I don't want to be the one to announce that because I don't think they've said anything and I don't know for sure if that's what's going on but you know it also shouldn't come as a huge surprise at this point if

that happens because like I mean shit dude like May June is not that far away and everything I'm seeing is that this is just getting worse right now and you know I mean I think I think we can fight it, obviously, but I think, you know, people need to take precaution. And I mean, I don't even want to go on tours right now. Like, I don't want to get coronavirus. Even if it's got a good survival rate for people our age, you know, I mean, there's been all this other stuff about how we don't really know what the long-term effects are, you know, like we don't know. Have you seen that some people have it in Iceland? In Iceland, they tested every single person in Iceland.

Iceland's killing the game. So, there's also probably about 70 people there. But a lot of people have it and have no symptoms whatsoever. Yeah. And a lot of people have it and their only symptom is no smell or taste. Weird. And then other people have it and they literally die from their lungs filling up with bile. Yeah, man.

That's what, see, that's what stresses me out. That's what really stressed me out with. coming back from Canada and being on airplanes. Although, side note, dude, that was my favorite day of flying ever. Like, I... No lines, no fucking, no one sat next to you. Like, I know I shouldn't have been at all happy

to be getting on airplanes during that time, but dude, like, on my first flight, I had a flight from Vancouver to Minneapolis and then a lay over there, and then a flight from Minneapolis to D.C. and home. So two flights, and the first one, the guy just comes on the PA. It literally made me laugh, dude.

He was like, so, uh, we have, uh, 15 people on this flight today, uh, out of about 300. Um, and we are not even going to call zones. Just, uh, everyone, come on up. I was just like, the way he said it, too, I was like, ah, uh, dude, I've never gotten on or off planes faster. There was no lines. Everyone had a row to themselves, or more than a row. Like, I had, like, my row and rows around me to myself.

The stewardess, like, brought around some snacks or whatever, and they were like, yeah, take as many as you want. Like, it was just like, shit, this is sick. But, yeah, also stressful. But getting back to coronavirus, COVID-19, isn't that what it is, I think? Yeah. one of the things I was worried about is and this is actually something I was going to mention anyway

but like I live in my mother's basement I rent it for very cheap and that's really why I've been able to like continue doing music. It's allowed me to like save up money and all that but my mom lives here and upstairs and even though I have my own space I was like dude what if I got it and I didn't even note it like I show symptoms

or something and I gave it to my mom. And my mom's like 60 now, isn't she? I think she'd just turned 60. It's like she's in that age range where like, you know, that terrifies me. But... Well, you don't have it now and just don't leave the house until they sort it out. Well, I could have it. I don't know.

I've been home less than a week and apparently it's got like a two-week incubation period or whatever. Has it? Yeah, that's what that's... I mean, that's what I heard. I actually know, but I know a bunch of people. who have it. Really? Just from posting on Instagram.

Yeah, I know a lot of people that have it. And a lot of people, I think I know like maybe five people that have it. And they've been tested, confirmed have it. Holy shit. I don't know anyone yet now. I think you probably do and they don't know. Wow. Like, it's the reason why it's China's kept going like, oh, 2,300 new cases in a day.

It wasn't like that many people were getting it that day. it's like that's how many tests they did that. Yeah, yeah. The real number's probably far, far higher. Well, dude, that's like, that's the scary thing, is that if you look at the numbers, it's literally like faster than exponential, literally. Like, the first 100,000 people that got it

took like a month or something or less, at least that's how many they tested. By the time they found 200,000 cases, it was like two weeks. and then I think the next was like four days. Like, it's, it's a thing. It is also mutating still.

We don't know how it'll change. And here's the thing. I saw a really good, I think, what's, have you ever watched that guy's YouTube videos? Like, his name's Joe, I think.

He does, like, science-y videos. Yeah, let me pull it up. I really like his channel. They're entertaining and some really interesting topics. But he didn't want to do a video on it and everyone was like, well, I haven't you done a video on it? Yeah, Joe Scott. He's a big YouTuber.

And he finally was like, I didn't want to do a video on this because, like, it's changing so rapidly. Like, I didn't, it's like, by the time I uploaded a video and actually had it finished, it could have completely changed. And, but he says basically at one point, I don't know if he said this or if he was quoting someone, but he said, like, it's hard, it's basically, what did he say, shit? He said, we may never know if we over-exaggerate this whole thing, but if we under-exaggerate it, and it's worse than we thought, it could be catastrophic. And, you know, I thought that was interesting.

I heard a similar thing. Someone said something like, if you overreact, no one's really going to care later on if you say, they overreacted, but if you underreact, then literally people will die from the underreaction. So it's best to be overreacted. I mean, the minute I heard that I could be a silent fucking transporter or whatever, I stopped going to the gym. I stopped going out.

I bought a fucking sick pull-up bar, right? It's like some crazy one, not those shitty doors. It's a doorway one, but it's just designed geniusly. instead of like being super low it goes upwards so it's super high like a one in the gym it's incredible and a bunch of resistance bands and i've actually got pretty fucking ripped in the last like two weeks from just doing body work body weight workouts and not eating like a piece of shit that'll happen um i'm just like spending this time getting a little having a little glow up yeah i mean i'm kind of like doing the same

I mean like I'm starting to work out again I mean that's the thing so yeah when it first started before it got real serious I remember thinking like oh man

if our tours get cancelled and stuff I would have a lot more time to go to the gym and do all this stuff that I like you know hadn't had a chance to do in a while blah blah blah and and then all of a sudden they were like, gyms are closed, and I was like, fuck! That sucks! That was the one thing I wanted more time for.

But no, like, even though I can't go to an actual gym, dude, I swear, like, I bought this workout equipment to take on tours. I took it on a couple tours, really didn't use it that much. Everyone else in the band I was with was like, we do not want to carry around like 300 pounds of free weight for you to work out like once a week. And I was like, yeah, fair enough. So it's been in my attic forever,

but now I'm so glad I bought all that stuff because I've set it up in the storage room down here I'm like doing my workouts playing drums I mean I've only been home from drummio like less than a week so I'm still kind of like figuring out what the hell I'm doing right now like you know

I know at least that one tour I was going on has been canceled this next year up one I don't know what's going on after that it's up in the air and I don't know how long this is going to last in general. So I'm, it's like I have, I always have plans of things I want to work on or do or, you know, different ways I can like try to make some additional income and stuff. But I, I just almost like, with dealing with like, just watching and understanding this whole coronavirus unfold, while also having just gotten home and then, you know, having things changing regularly. I literally haven't even devised a game plan yet

as to like what I'm gonna do in like the coming days and weeks you know like I have ideas but it's just like hmm what should I do what can I do you know like in this

entire setting you know like this whole I mean you've got a drum you've got a fucking drum kit in your quarantine you're fine oh well don't get me wrong I'm gonna drum yeah that's a

I can't run. I can't even believe that, yeah, dude, like I think, who did I see that's in Europe that was like, man, I want to play drum so bad? And I was like, holy shit, dude. I cannot imagine being stuck somewhere without being able to practice, you know, indefinitely. I mean, luckily, I'm stuck with a girl, so there's, like,

there's other shit to do. But it's like, I've got a home job. gym, I got no drums. I do have a reflex pad, but to be honest, I haven't even fucking got it out. Yeah. No, I mean, if anything, I would just look at it as like a good break, you know. But yeah, I mean... It's been a long break already, but...

Yeah. I know, do you know what? I took a huge break during that dark, the darkness time. Yeah. And I came back and I shit you not, it took me two practice sessions. This is from not playing drums for maybe two months. Yeah. it took me two sessions to get back to where I was.

And I think I sent you an article before about muscle memory, about how it never really goes away. Yeah, yeah. It's like I'm way more relaxed in myself when I don't play for a bit now, whereas I used to be like, every day I am getting worse. When really it's just every day it will take a little bit longer to get less rusty.

Yeah. But there's also like tiny stabilizer, that get so fatigued playing drums, you don't even notice. I know. That when they get a decent amount of time to rest, then you come back faster and stronger and better. Yeah, it's true. When they lift this, I think they announced this lockdown is going to be three weeks.

Jesus. So when that is over, I have my breakables with me. I'm in Glasgow, but I have my breakables with me. so I was up until this lockdown thing I was going to a practice room and just renting a kit and just fucking going through the set because I assumed I was still going on tour but now that's not I doubt that's happening

but I don't know yeah god damn dude I can't see what the fuck they're gonna if they like I think someone told me today that China's started allowing people to move around again in Wuhan where it initially arguably started apparently they started letting people move around

because they had no new cases and then they immediately started getting new cases it's like I can't see that they're either going to have to be like yo this thing is here to stay people you love are going to die go about your business but wash your hands

or there's going to have to be like they're going to have to assign people months that they can work and be like well you've got May that you've got May that you're can work and these people take that off

and they're in isolation and then they work in June and that will be hell for touring man I don't know that's the only way I can see them getting rid of the fucking thing

I mean either that or I mean they just have to figure out a vaccine you know but even then yeah even then it takes 14 months

for human testing otherwise people will die I mean that's another thing that dude uh Joe Scott talked about in the video he put up like yesterday, is that like this is, you know, even just like a couple

minutes ago when you said three weeks, I was like, Jesus for your lockdown. And then immediately after saying Jesus, like, seeming surprised, I was like, actually, I shouldn't be surprised by that. Because I do think that even at a best case scenario, like, this is still going to get worse before it gets better. And also, I just think, I mean, man, here's the thing. It's like everyone else says, like, I hope I'm wrong. But I, for the exact reason that I just mentioned that you were mentioning, I think that we're going to, I think it's going to be a while. Because even if they find a vaccine until they can give it, give it to humans and mass produce it, it's going to be a while. And I do think that this is kind of like

the new way of living for a while. And it could be a long while. And I will not survive that. I cannot afford to do that. The thing is, I don't want to tell you to not worry about it, because obviously those are real problems that everyone's going to have to face. But like, dude,

if that happens, like, everyone's going to be in that boat. Like someone, the government, the government... But the government, they won't help us. Already, in the UK, they've said that people who are employed will get up to 80% of their...

80% of their pay per month, up to £2,500 per month. Self-employed people, which there's 5 million people in the UK, get £93 a week. Jesus. Like, that won't pay my mortgage and bills,

let alone the rent on. the place I'm living at right now. Yeah. God. Yeah, man. That's scary. I don't even know what to say because that is scary.

I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about that bit. That's going to make me worried. All right. Well, don't worry. I mean, listen. Hey, everyone, buy a fucking t-shirt. Please buy a fucking t-shirt.

Please. Help out, Craig. Buy a t-shirt. Here's the thing is, like, naturally, I want to tell people like, hey, support me as an artist. But the reality is that in times like this, like fucking go support Craig because like I'm all right like the reality is I don't have a mortgage

right now I have been saving my money because I live and rent in the house my mother owns and yeah I've been very you know it's one of those things were like right now like like about a year ago I was like man I think I have enough saved where I could like put a sizable down payment on a house and like start really like living on my own I was like I should save up more I need like actual cushion to like be able to you know blah blah blah and right now i'm like holy shit i'm glad i didn't do that already because like you know so like you know fucking if you need support like people should go support the people that actually need it i don't want to like scream and holler about how it's a tough time because like right now i'm in a position where i'm not going to be struggling right now as

much as a lot of other people I know will be. So in all seriousness, guys, you should buy a T-shirt from Craig. In all seriousness, guys, I am paying for a divorce, two people's shares on a mortgage, two people's electricity and internet bills, and then rent on another place. And I have an addiction to coffee, which must be reinforced. Yeah. Buy some fucking shit. I tell you what, Rudy, if you board, do not I just released today? I'm waiting on a guy to do me a fucking video for it and he's taking a sweet time. I wanted

right, I put it out on Twitter I said, I need a video promo for a product that I'm selling and I would rather the work, I'm going to pay for it obviously for the video promo. I would rather the work went to someone who's recently had a tour, cancel

and needs the money or whatever. So a bunch of people with legit portfolios but already have solid work replied and I was like no you know what I'm going to give it to this guy because he's in a band or whatever and um it was supposed to be ready on Thursday and it's now Tuesday and admittedly yeah shit is fucking up and whatever but

I need to release it because I need money coming in but I've done three songs from the new stray album with without drums with the sheet music um with a version of with the click so you can record and then a version without the click and without the drums. Oh cool. So people can make their own play-throughs. Comes with the guitar profiles.

Comes with MIDI for the track so you can put it into a sequence. And if you play like guitar or bass, you can make a cover of the song. Oh, cool. Because the drums will be there. And I put all that shit together. And man, if you get bored, you could do me a little fucking video. My parts are so easy. What do you need?

It'll take you one second. What do you need to do? What do you need me to do? Oh, no, I just mean, if you're bored, you could do a fucking play-through. Oh, I'll do that. Hell yeah. Man, the songs are like three minutes long. They're so easy. Dude, I would... Basically, just a paradigital. Yeah, actually, I'd love to do that because A, it'd be cool.

B, it's, it's like, I would literally be like, at the beginning of it, you know, fucking check out Craig's book and help them out. Everyone's having a hard time with Corona time. And, you know, like, yeah. down, dude. One of the songs, one of the songs is actually hard. Yo, send me some shit. Just don't even worry about it.

Oh my God, my house phone's ringing. Why do we have a house phone? It's 20-20. Hold on. What do you mean, hold on? You better put this whole conversation. No, I was just muting the phone. I wasn't going to leave and take another call.

Wouldn't that be amazing if I was like, hello, what are you made? And I got all mad on some call. Get out of here. No, what I'll do actually, I'll give you a, discount code for the you can actually test that the online ship works as well for me when you downloaded the zip comes and everything's

good so when I put out a straight from the path drum video everyone's going to know that the idea started right here on the downbeat what did you think of that wasn't that great? That was great I loved it I loved it you should do the song the first will be last because it has

a middle section where much like you I was in a state of like, I'm going to write the hardest fill I've ever written in my life. Oh shit. It has loads of left-hand lead bits. It's one big, um, sex tuplet fill, basically. Hell yeah, dude. And I actually got Mike from Monuments to transcribe everything for me.

Oh, cool. Hell yeah. My guitar pro wasn't working. I wanted it to look. Legit. I wanted the beam, the beams to be. I wanted kick drums and snares beam downwards and sims. cymbles beamed upwards, like a, like a orchestra score, if you will.

Because I personally read that better, but a lot of people read the guitar pro style better. But I don't know that and I couldn't. I don't even know what line are. I have an old version of guitar pro. I don't know if newer ones are different. I don't know. I'm going to look really quick. But yeah, that makes sense.

But yeah, I'll send you a fucking thing for it. Yeah, please do. I'm actually really into that. And hold on, before you move on, oh wow, yeah, actually. Okay, so in... Dude, I don't know if... The guitar pro way doesn't really...

It seems random. Like, right here, for example, there are kicks and symbols, and they, the staff, like, they go up. But then there are kicks and symbols in the next bar, but there are also, like, some other stuff, like,

Tom's and stuff. some reason they're all going down. Yeah, so the way I like it is that any drums go down. Beam downwards, but then symbols beam upwards. Yeah, I would prefer that too. Apparently on Guitar Pro 7, it is an option, but when you're transcribing, I think you need to do your drums on one

whole line and your symbols on one whole line, and then you merge it. Interesting. It's some busy shit, but it ends up looking super neat. Like Mike came back and was like, it looks like it was in a fucking Beethoven songbook. Yeah. Damn.

Which is sick. And I like supporting people. Like I had the money. At that time, I had the money and Corona wasn't a thing. I was like, you know what? I could do this myself,

but I'll just fucking pay someone. I'll give someone some money and I'll make the money back from the product, hopefully. But little did I know that now that product has to pay for much, much more than just Mike's time

and this fucking video guy who's taking his sweet fucking time. Yeah. Well, I really... He's actually just emailed me and said, it will definitely be done today, so now I feel really bad.

Oh, that's too funny. I'm really sorry, guy, that did the video. I hope the video is cool and everyone likes it, and thank you. Dude, I really will do a drum video because I, A, have time, B, am always just looking for cool new videos,

where I can actually use a frickin guitar file. And I basically, somebody said me- This has bass as well, baby. Dude, great, perfect. Everything except the vocals and it's the mixed audio from the album. So you just need to spice your drums in there. Dude, I'm just so not into, it's like somebody, actually my friend Brody.

Oh, this will tie in well to Corona actually. So Brody is a drummer from Atlanta and he's sick and he's real young. And I met him on tour and then he, he, I don't know, we just like became friends. Now he plays drums. I feel like I may have talked about him in our last podcast, but maybe not. But he plays drums actually in a band from here,

which is my old band that I was in in high school. And it's still a band, and now they're like a sign band that tours, obviously not right now. Brodie, shit, what was I going to say about this? Why am I blanking? I'm not awake enough. You said it ties into Corona.

know, but it was also going to tie into what we were just talking about. What were we talking about a second? We were just talking about play-throughs and videos- Oh, okay, yeah, no, this is all going to tie together. Okay, Brody was like- One of us is a professional broadcaster. Come on. Yeah, I'm not. I'm your guest. I'm not a professional at this. Okay, okay. And it was my job to put you back on track, now you're back on track. Thank you. All right. So, Brody was like, dude, do him a sugar covers since you have time. And I was like, dude, I would honestly love to do that. I just don't want to freaking do anything that doesn't have like a real guitar file. Like the idea of trying to mix real drums that are tracked here with like an album file, it makes me want to jump off a bridge now.

That was totally an exaggeration. I'm not actually that I'm not suicidal. I shouldn't even joke. See, isn't that fucked up that like I feel like if you go to those dark places ever in your life, like you tend to have a darker sense of humor. But anyway, I don't know. I just- No, no, because I'll make a joke like that sometimes. You can't see that. And I was like, well, how about this? I was on top of the fucking building, ready to fucking go. I think I'm allowed to make that joke, you fucking idiot.

Yeah. Anyway, sorry, carry on. God, I love you, dude. Yeah, like, so I don't know. I might do that eventually. But my point is, anything I can do that's sick, like, it's like a double whammy, doing the stray thing. like it's like a sick thing.

It helps out a friend. It's a cool video. It'll sound good. It'll look cool. Let's fucking do it, dude. Hook me up. And speaking of tying it all together, part of the reason I also brought Brody up is because Brody lives in Georgia, Atlanta, or outside of Atlanta.

And dude, I talked to him yesterday. Okay, so there are states that are on lockdown. Like all restaurants completely closed, right? Yeah, that's this shit right here. Yeah. So my state is kind of in the middle. I live in Maryland and it's like you can't eat at any restaurants

but you can go pick up food or have it delivered but they're they're basically also saying as of yesterday like you can't even like don't leave your house unless you're going to get groceries or food if a cop sees you driving like they have the right to just pull you over and be like what are you doing? Oh so because they need more fucking rights

they need more fucking reasons to do that. Right, I know, I know. But still, like, my point is, like, it's becoming more lockdown, but it's still not as lockdown as other states. And, but it, like, Georgia, dude, like, I was like, dude, are you still going into work? And he was like, yeah. And I'm like, what?

Like, you work at a- Georgian accent. Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't even mean to, but yeah, there it is. Yeah, yeah. Sure am, brother. I got to go down to the creek and go. Get me a...

Come on, calm down. A buzzard. Go down to the creek and get me a buzzard, dude. We got an Airbnb in Georgia once, and it was so much fucking fun. I love Atlanta. Dude, I... It's definitely top five states for me. I really do like the South.

I just think that, like, Brody was like, yeah, dude, like, he told me that, like, I don't want to throw anyone under the bus, even though I doubt his dad all over here. But he was like, yeah, my dad had, like, a last-minute birthday party. for my sister the other day, like in a park. Like, this was like a couple days ago, in a park with tons of people there, and there apparently were just tons of people out at the park still. Like, there are certain states where, like, they are not getting it. Like, I think that especially in conservative states, like in the South, people are...

Yeah, get me to that. Get me to that political Rudy. Political Rudy. Come on out, baby. Okay, well, let me preface all this. I ain't gonna let no virus, get me? Yeah, I mean, dude, I'm not someone who, like, follows politics, but I think it's pretty clear and everything about me that, like, I'm pretty liberal, you know? But, like, I don't really follow politics in general, but, dude, like, it does seem like in those more conservative states, like, it's like people are, like, they're just trying to

get rid of Trump or whatever, you know? and like it's like they don't believe that this is something serious and it worries me for people like Brody who worries because he played it down

I know played it down until it was like people were like everyone's gonna die unless you stop playing this down yep

it's just like the flu dude it's a yeah man but it scares the shit out of me for someone like Brody who's like this immensely talented a young kid dude he's like

he reminds me a lot of me dude he's like 20 years old or whatever and like, you know, or I guess he's 21 now, but yeah, he's young. And, you know, he's all hustling. He loves drums. He's, like, starting to do some cool shit. He's touring. He's being a sick guy.

He's a smart kid. He's super nice. And, you know, he's got a good head on his shoulders. And because his state is, like, not seeming to take this serious enough, like, he's, you know, it's like, imagine if he got sick, dude, like, fucking I'd be like, holy shit. like that would suck and it's just like dude i can't believe he was out at a park like a couple days ago like this shit is no joke dude it's got like an r not of like one and a half to three and a half or something like and of course yeah i know everyone like you know it might not kill you but

you know we still don't really know and it's still mutating and all that it's fucking scary dude so all these conservative states need to like take it a little more seriously you know what i'm saying at least that's my two cents you're correct, but also I do think that it's not their fault that the government, which they so staunchly believe, has told them lies about it, so they believe that. So, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not their fault. If they're not listening in the first place, maybe it's a bit their fault, but for what, for the person they believe to tell them it's not a big deal, they're going to believe that. Yeah, you're definitely right. But, uh, it's interesting. I'm just a people person, man,

I'm just trying to get everyone to love each other. Hey man. Especially under quarantine. I'm trying to get, this quarantine's super horny. I'm just trying to get everyone to just fucking, just jerk off. Pay for a bit of porn,

you know? Oh my God. Treat yourself. Pay for porn. Support some sex workers and it kind of feels a pretty badass. Damn, you heard it here first folks. Craig Reynolds. Buy your porn, kids.

On that note, I really, need a pee and we're like over an hour. Yeah, cool. I mean, should we wrap it up? Yeah. Well, hey, let's call it like this, dude. Let's say we've done a nice random catch up, talked about some key points. And, uh, you know, uh, I don't know.

We didn't talk about drums once and I love it. Yeah. And I think in general, just so everyone knows, like, this was a very improv thing where Craig literally, I was going to go back to sleep and I would surely still be asleep and Craig was like, get out of bed. And I was like, all right. So, you know, it was really just like you guys listening in on Craig and I catching up. And yeah, I hope everyone enjoyed it. And I don't know, I would love to just like be a periodic regular on your podcast. Oh, you will be. Because I like chat with you. And I think we'll do one when Corona's over. We'll catch up. Yeah, let's do that.

that. But, you know, in general, we should also, you and I should, you know, at some point in the coming days catch up some more off the podcast and to everyone else out there. I mean, Craig, it's your show. I'm going to let you sign us off. But I just want to say, I hope y'all are being safe and, you know, stay home if you can. I mean, you should be able to, I hope. But like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know how I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist, but like... Every time you say I'm not a doctor, all I can think about is Brooklyn 9-9. Every time, the little N sign off that's not a doctor.

That's all I can think about. Listen, guys, I'm not a doctor, but, no. I mean, I just, you know, mostly I think, like, we don't know how these things can affect people. And if it is even possibly, like, going more into younger and older people, just like, you know, for other people, don't go out, you know? So that's all I'm saying. but otherwise, you know, if you can, stay home, play drums.

I'm saying everything he said, everything he said, and pay for a little bit porn. Put a bit of money into the industry, baby, and buy a downbeat shirt. And, yeah, that's what I was going to say, buy downbeat shirt. I'll buy my fucking straight, play through bullshit. Yeah, I'm going to do it. Dude, I'm going to do a video. You got to send me some stuff. I'll check it out.

I'm going to send your code in a minute and you can tell me if it works and let's call this and send me a file for this thing. Yeah, I will get off the phone and we'll bounce it. And everyone have a great time and day. And Craig, you honor me with candor, which is a thing I say that doesn't mean anything. I love it. Right, fake goodbye now.

Stay on the line. Goodbye. All right. Love you, dude. Bye.