The Downbeat - Alex Taylor + Charlie Thorpe (Malevolence)

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

I catch up with Alex and Charlie of Malevolence to talk about their new album Malicious Intent, nicknames, being a diva and transgressing from their roots in the DIY hardcore scene to world metal domination.

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You can support whatever I do. And your rooms can look cool AF while doing it. Oh, what a cool advert that was. It's almost professional now, isn't it? Code downbeat. I've already said it. My guests this week are Alex, the vocalist and Charlie, the drummer of malevolence.

That means I've nearly had the... whole band on. I love malevolence. They are, they're like an old school metal band, but they're new, young, exciting, their new album, malicious intent, not really new anymore, but is awesome. They bring like a crowbar-y, pantera without the white wine vibe, lamogoddy vibe, but with mosh parts. I caught up with them just before I saw them play with Trivium. which was awesome. Guess what? Heifie didn't want to do it.

He didn't want to come. He was resting his voice. To be fair, Trivian played a two-hour set, so I can't really blame him. But I got the Mlev boys instead. It was a great little chat. What you can hear in the background there is my fucking dog who only decides to walk around and jump about

when I'm doing a podcast intro. It's malevolence on the Downbeat podcast. Oh, starting off with that, I did Rob Flynn. Right. Now we're going. that's it. We live. We're live.

But I need everyone close to their microphone because that's what we got, the headphones. That's close. Not for you. Yeah, look, you sound really good. Oh, yeah.

Crisp, very crisp. Really nice in Sheffield. Well, the posture, well, let's try and work on that. I need to work on that myself. We're going, we've got, everyone's got a drink,

everyone's done a pee. Yep, how do we? When did you do Rob Flynn's podcast? I think he was back, not long after the album came out, like June-July time. You can come slowly back from the microphone. If you sound too hot in your headphones,

not sexy hot, but like too loud, then, you know, you're a vocalist. Bro, I have such bad technique. I will cut the microphone.

I will do everything to make myself louder. You ain't got, like, that one where they pull it away to be louder. Oh, no, I do that when I'm losing my voice. Like cradle of Phil phone,

he's like, yeah. fucking effect. Did you do the Rob Flynn one in person or? No, it was over Zoom. Ah, fucking. You can come here though, Rob, sit here. That's why the Zoom ones, how did you find it?

Pretty sick to be fair. I was pretty nervous. It was probably the one of like, the only podcast I've done with, like, it's been one of my idols who's been doing the interviewing him. So, like, I was pretty nervous. But as soon as I started, it was kind of, like, like just a normal chat. It's like the minute you like forget about the fact it's a podcast and you just,

as long as it's people that you could sit in the pub or sit at fucking hand those like we did last night and have a chat, that's all it is. Yeah. As long as you don't say some insane word, which for the most part I like to have people on who I know they're not going to fucking drop some random slur and I'll have to go, oh, okay. Although that's where the money's at. Get someone on and they accidentally go.

Oh, don't stitch us up then. Nah, because I know I wouldn't have those people on I got sick of the like The Zoom podcast You had to do it in COVID But like I was like how can I do this differently

I was like I'm going to fucking chat show Just get people fucking in Yeah It's way more personal in it Like I think it's been a bit more relaxed A couple of drinks We're like if you need a pee We just press pause

We leave it's not like a I love them And you're not worried about a wife connection as well. Yeah. Beautiful. I should probably introduce you. This will be nearly,

other than con, I've got to have con on. I'll nearly have had the full set. Maybe I'll just have him on his own. You've heard the rest now we're the best. Yeah. I've been rehearsing that in the hotel

for two hours. When can I drop that in? Charlie, Alex. You've got any, thanks for coming on the podcast from malevolence. Pleasure. Have you got any nicknames?

Well, you know me, don't you? Where does Seedog? Where did Seedog come from? I was thinking about this. The day it came from our old guitarist of the band, who we used to call Keith. I think his name was Josh. There's so many Joshers, so they've all got a different name. But he was called Keith Priest. He was one of our first guitarist, and he just walked into band practice one day and went, What's up, C, Dog?

And it stuck. And it stuck since then. I hate it, to be honest. Why? It's just a bit cringe, isn't it? That's me now. You fucking love it. I do answer to it, so. I mean, if you weren't from like Sheffield,

if you were from London and you were calling yourself Seedog, it would be a little bit like, all right, mate. It's not a top boy. I didn't call myself it anyway, so that's enough. No, oh, you never refer to yourself as Seedog. I try not to. Wait, your fucking Instagram is Seedoc. Well, yeah, but.

And your email address is Big Seedog, one, two, three, four at Hotman. No, wait. That's my eBay username. You just docks in your eBay now. Everyone go and have a look what he's selling. Please don't. Please do not do that. Got any nicknames?

Um, I had one for a little bit that Con thought up. It was Alex Cardiff, Laptop Taylor. Yeah, that's about as much as it gets. Yeah, because I'm from Cardiff and I used to like take my laptop on tour. He's always on BBC I player. You came up with that? Con. What is it?

Alex. Alex Cardiff laptop Taylor. That's so just fucking say what you see. Alex, what do you mean from Cardiff? He's not right, it's from Brotherham. I was born in Cardiff. I moved to Sheffield when I was like six or seven. Oh, no, a bit younger than I'm probably five.

Did you have a Welsh accent and got rid of it? I did when I moved to Sheffield. Because my one side of all from Sheffield, the Yorkshire twang, like, got picked up quite quickly. Your dad's Welsh? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He does a solid Welsh accent.

Go on. I'm not being funny, but I'm only being funny, but I'm on the down B podcast with my fucking boyos. Like, brutality will prevail. You know, do you know what? That's how we first met. Probably in Wales.

My parents are Scottish and I can't do a Scottish and I fucking live in Scotland. And they don't live in Scotland. They live in Redding. I moved up here. I don't know why. I mean, I know why.

But like, I can't do a Scottish accent. Have a go. Surely you can't by now. I literally can't. Let me try and think of something to say. Now I'm thinking of Welsh. I can't do it. a minute. I'll just drop it halfway through the podcast.

That's how we met. A seamless segue. Whenever this happens, I like to break the podcast and go, look how good at podcasting I am. Talking about Wales. That's when I used to play in a band called Brutality Will Prevail. RIP. RIP.

When, I thought, that was a fizzle out. But we were on the fucking way out on me. When a little known new band is called Malevolence. Game along. It must have been 2012. We must have played, 2013 or something. Yeah, at least 10 years ago.

Yeah. How long has Malav been going? I've been in 13 years this year. 19 years for me. What? First gig I played was primary school assembly. But was it called malevolence? Two years after it was.

No fucking way. We've got the picture as all. We played a gig under the boardwalk in Sheffield with the same name. And while she sleeps, they had the same name as well. We supported them, 06. Jesus.

Going back to that school assembly, I was actually in the audience because I was the year below him. So I mean, I was in the crowd. What song was it? You did white stripes. Oh yeah, Wilkie on vocals. Wilkie on vocals.

Oh my God. Has anyone got any footage? No. We didn't have cameras back then, mate. It wasn't that fucking old. How old are you? I just turned 30 last week. Did you?

How was it? Pretty good. Are you? I'm ready for it. Well, I lost two years to COVID, so I'm 28 really. Just you? Or did everyone?

Every time someone says that, I'm like, all right, we're all... Do you consider yourself 28 then? Mentally. Mentally 18, probably. I mean, you don't fucking young for 30. Just, pal, I'll take that. I got that the other days.

Yeah, some... Thank you. I was waiting for that. Big gap. Someone said that the other day. Someone also, you know, when we were talking in Nando's yesterday, shout out of Nando's,

about steroids, someone left a comment this morning on my Instagram was like are you using gear? Looks like trend and I was like fuck yeah boys thank you very much that means quite a lot to me you're not having a midlife crisis how old are you?

Oh it's coming you didn't have any like I had it a few years ago so I just pretended I was 30 a few years ago and then just took it on nice cosplay cosplay of 30 year old I had one

30, like a little midlife crisis and I'm 35 and 36 as year and I'm having another one right now. So when you got the A3? S3, come on, get it right. Sorry, me. Oh. Honestly, yeah.

I'm like, I'm fully like, not fully midlife crisis. I haven't got the money to do a full midlife crisis. But like, just in terms of like being, I don't know, I feel old. This first year I feel old. Hicks and pains. It's coming.

Yeah, aches and pains and fucking water. I've had that for like four years now. If that's a midlife crisis, then I started early. You'll be, you'll have a second one. You'll either have a second one or, hang on, how old are you, 20? 29. Or you'll die at 50. 50.

Hope not. Ambitious. I hope not. I mean, it's a bit dark. No, no, I love a much healthier lifestyle these days. So, yeah, we might try and touch 60. Did anyone go to the gym today? No.

I knew it. Last night we were in Nando's and we're just having a little chat. And everyone was like, oh, is there any good gyms around? And I was like, yeah, we'll go to them on. I wasn't like, yeah. It was like, I guess so. And everyone was up for it. No one went, not single.

It was, I woke up and it was a toss-up between getting a fade for the podcast or going to the gym. Getting a pomp. Get those headphones off. Yeah. Let me have a look. look at that it's a fresh cut it looks great you're very well lit

if you're just listening to the audio version of this you're fucking missing out you're missing out big on the racing straps and everything I must say that the layout in here and the lighting is amazing I feel very relaxed right now thank you very much mate you know what you're the first episode with the bricks

and with I don't know what I'm doing like the pandemic happened and I was like well like I'm going to have to get online, terminally online. So I've got the cameras and shit to do Twitch. Everything about lighting, backlighting, that lighting, the cameras, all of it just YouTube.

Just like, I did a video and the man I was filming looked unwell. What do I do? And then it comes up like, how to balance skin tones? And I'm like, okay, do that, do that. And then I thought I put money into the vibe. No, I feel it. It looks amazing. Do you do that with all your drumming streaming as well?

Balance your skin tone out. Yeah. When you're on the kit. All that shit, yeah. Nice. It's fucking annoying. But I want to get to the point, if Patreon.com force a damn beat, give me a fucking quid.

Because it took me three hours to set us up. And sometimes I was telling you yesterday, sometimes the people, oh, I don't want my episode to come out. Well, you've wasted six hours of my time. The builders exposing the brick. He wasted their fucking time. Like, it's, uh, Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it.

Oh man, the vibe in here is very good. Yeah, lovely and spacious. I thought it was going to be like a little cupboard. There's a cupboard there. I'll just think about it the other day. That's perfect like Harry Potter's size. Like if I were too, you know, heavily... Just go with Adopt a magical child.

Adopt a magical child, that's better. What I actually met, the reason that's fresh in my mind, this is going well. There's a theory that is, quite a horrific theory that Harry Potter is all just a figment of this child's imagination that's just kept in a cupboard. I've heard this story before.

And all of the wizards and stuff is just in his brain because he's locked in the cupboard that he lives in. It's pretty dark when you think about it like that. Really fucking dark. Let's get less dark. How's your tour? Pretty good so far. Pretty grey and rainy. It's January, winter. And you're in Scotland.

Exactly. Yeah. It's fucking rains all the time. I mean, yeah, weather's, shows have been sick. We did two shows in Dublin, one in Belfast. And normally like... So where it's tired? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like,

normally Ireland's a bit of a hard slog for us. Because I don't know, every time we go there, it's like, they're either part of a package and we play at Doors or we're headlined and there's 20 people there. We've been going back for nine years now and it's been a very steady incline in Ireland.

I don't think, I think, Australia's been once. I think BWP went once. And although I love the country, I think it was like... Tough gig. Yeah. That wasn't financially viable.

Yeah, yeah. It's Trivian. Obviously, so it's Trivian. Heaven Shall Burn, which, all you respect, Heaven Shall Burn, in the UK is insane. In Europe, they're fucking absolutely huge. Yeah.

We'll smash them in the UK. They'll smash us in Germany. Fair players. They're so big in Germany. It's crazy. Trivium. heaven heaven shall burn malev

there's no no we are we are the opener what time are you playing that seven sharp seven o'clock yeah

and then in the on the European leg obituary join us so we'll still be the opener two months on a boss with obituary

oh apparently I mean they're old now but apparently they're from fucking Florida that's going to be a laugh surely I hope so

could go either way they're fucking, I'm sure the two. A lot of hair between them. So much hair for old lads. Take it for a skin fade. Well, at least there's no like shower for them to clog up though on the bus.

True. I think I heard that they love to party still. I wouldn't put it past him. Fucking legends. What a good, I'd love to be in a fly on the wall of the Mellev obituary bus. I can't even imagine. It'd be like some weird sitcom

because like they're pretty old. and you're pretty young. Yeah, but like... It's either going to be sick or weird. I think I'm, I'm hoping it'll be sick. I'm sure they're nice guys.

But as long as I've got my PS4 set up on the PlayStation, set up on the TV, then we're fully boring these days. We used to be crazy. Well, you don't, you don't party? No, not really. We don't take that much encouragement. It just takes like a couple of nutcases to get us going

and then, yeah, we're off. I was going to say because last time I saw you, we were in Sheffield and everyone was really fucked up. And that was only about two months ago. So I'm like, come on. I've sorted out since then. Oh, really?

So like a post-Christmas thing. Yes. How was your Christmas? New Year? Lovely, thanks. Fantastic. Yeah, I was so, we actually got back from the US on 10 o'clock Christmas Eve.

And then I went down to my families. And then... It was just a blur of jet lag. Yeah, it was just, we were all so jet lag. lagged and we were like putting messages in the group chat like is anyone else this fucked i fell asleep five times at christmas day and yeah was miserable where did you fly from in the states lax oh so you was that's the worst jet lag like la to home is fucked yeah it's why because it's just it's like it's almost a waking day's worth of hours so it's like it's phrase you straight

hours so it throws you perfectly off i've found that like even australia or japan or something like that, I can get back to it easier because it's so mental. Like, maybe you're not going, oh, I know, I know what it is. When you're going that way, what's west. East. Completely wrong. I still have to go, never eat shredded wheat. Yeah, I still do that and all.

Do you know that? What? Never each redid week. Oh. I still have to do it, 35, 36 this year. something every day if you go east yeah it is east

if you go east the jet lag is worse so like getting to Japan is pretty shit but coming backs this is a fucking boring conversation

is that your first time in America no second second time so the first time we went over was in 2016 with Kuwait Island Jesus Peace who are now a lot bigger

so I saw you on that tour did you? Did you? Yeah we played a festival together. I'm not tall. Straight,

straight, yeah, Stray played it. Menev was there. It was a, I'll fucking find it right now. And then we were the, we were the odd band out.

I don't remember us playing a festival at all. Oh, all day, a fucking thing. I don't mean a festival. Yeah, yeah, fair. I don't think we did any fest.

We were playing like grilled cheese sandwich shops. I'm gonna find it. Skate parks. How do I spell your fucking band name? Male of Violence with no, Nice, and it is male noise. Right, Jesus, peace.

Who else was on it? Kubla Khan. Isn't it just me with my voice really deep on this microphone? That sounds sexy. I mean, that is just picking up the real sound. What are these microphones? Road. They are.

They're road pod mics, and they're really great, and low cost. And that's a roadcaster, too. And that's really great. And it is actually really great. I want... Thank you for that. I'll help you out. It's getting to the point where they go.

have to give me some money. They don't. They give me so much cool shit. I can't find it, but... Because it don't exist. Yeah, okay. Well, I played an Aldea with every band that you just mentioned there in 2016,

and I remember it being the worst fucking show ever. Just because... And this will be a seamless segue, but I do want to talk about American more in a minute, how do you find, because you are currently in the transition from cool, hardcore band, to metal band

it's a grebo metal band it's a grebo metal band and we all know and it's not why you're doing it but there's far more money in the grebo metal band section did people old fans fucking hate it

when con gets the old pipes out there's only a handful of old beat down kids that said the new album's whack but yeah you get away with it you're getting away with it yeah I'm like

we opened it up to so many new fans It's a lot more accessible now, all this singy songy stuff. When you do touring with singy songy stuff, but I mean, you've always had singing songy stuff. Yeah, like, if you've been following my levels for a while, you're like, I think you can't get upset when you see the progression because I think it's quite a natural evolution of our sound. If you're actually listening to what the music we've put out since the first album,

you've been like, oh, actually, yeah, this was always the way they were going to go. Yeah, because that first... Self-s supremacy Rainer Sophorim was first Rane a sufferer was first Self-Suppermacy Yeah, yeah Self- Supremacy was the

Was the one where it was like Okay, well this is now In the sound And that was still pretty early When was that? Because you fucked off for ages Just doing EPs and shit You fucking idiots

Ten year anniversary In November this year Fucking hell Yeah, mad, isn't it? That is mental But like, have you Is it a conscious choice? to not do hardcore tours,

or are you still doing hardcore tours? We're just trying to straddle both, to be honest. Just do hate breed, too metal for hardcore and too hardcore for metal. Yeah, and do you work well for them? And they're fucking sick. Yeah, I mean, I think if the right talk comes about, regardless of whether it's metal or it's a hardcore band,

you know, we'll always consider it. It's just, we just want to do everything which we think is cool and maybe try chucking a few, like, tours that aren't what people necessarily think we're going to do because obviously we want to play to new people. What was the States tour that you just did? Because you have one and it cancelled.

Yeah, so we had one that we cancelled and then the one that we've just done was Ginger, POD and space of variations. And that was sick. It was way better than we thought it was going to be. So the Ocacia Strain tour didn't happen. Yeah. Who else was on the Ocacetacea Strain tour?

It was I am who were from Texas, sick band. We actually, we ended up touring with Thy Art is Murder, and I am in Australia. Oh, that's a fucking sick tour. Yeah, that was, like, a few months ago. When was that? September.

September, yeah, so not even that long ago. He'd been on it. So you went from that straight to America? Yeah, more or less. Yeah, pretty much. A few months in between, but that September tour was like the most intense tour we've ever done ever because there was no bedtimes have you ever done that what do you mean no

oh wait in australia yeah i've done it in south east asia yeah where you just because it was australia flying yeah so fly fly fly we got we get home from the first show we'll get back to the hotel at like sorry get back to the hotel at um it's right get back to the hotel at um 1 a m wake up at 4 a m go straight to the airport arrive in the next city at like midday, try and check in to the hotel. Get told to fuck off. Come back at four o'clock. So there'd be like 20 moshes all just to sleep

on the floor of this hotel reception and there'd be people trying to chase us out. And we'd eventually maybe get an hour's sleep and then go to the venue, play the show. You know, when you wake up at three in the morning for a flight or something, it was like that in the afternoon before they gig every day. Yeah.

Two hours in the night, two hours in the day. I'm surprised at that happening in Australia. Like, what was I art doing? You know, it's criminal mastermind. Marsh from layout his murder. He was just trying to rack up his avios points. Getting all those, getting these horrible flights. Were they doing the same thing?

Yeah. I think they had like slightly better ones. No, they were doing, for the most part, they were doing the same thing. Yeah. Fuck that. Like, because I've had that in Southeast Asia when the people booking it just don't care. So they just go, I mean, they care, but they're just like, okay, well, get them in,

get them out for getting the logistics. But Australia, every time I've done Australia on a flyer, there's usually some buffer time. But yeah, I remember the South East Asia told what we did exactly what you're saying. Except worse, actually, because South East Asia's got a touch of the fucking Italy about it. It's like, oh, when are we on?

It's supposed to be 11, but actually you're on at 2 a.m. Then your flights at 6 a.m. Someone's late, whatever, no sleep. And I remember there being a time. And this is when my brain just broke. I don't think it's ever been the same. It was like five days in of no sleeping or just like sleeping in airports. And the plane hit turbulence and I was like, yes, I'm going to die.

And ever since that moment forward, my brain has never been the same. Fucking sleep deprivation. How do you play? Sleep deprived. Oh, just sloppy. Stressed. A lot of tantrums in it. Oh, yeah.

Who's the worst tantrums? Probably me. Is it? Yeah. Bad temper. Second worse, you? Probably you second, I'd say. I think we can all be bad.

Come on, throwing people under the bus. It comes out in other ways. People just grumble through it, which is worse, I think. So like, you'll have, you're like, your five minutes of just, like, punching the shit out of the snare drum. Wilkeel just turned really sassy. Josh is, like, turns into...

He gets really sarcastic. Yeah, sarcastic and turns into an alcoholic. Con just sits on his game boy. It's con the most chill? No. Yeah, because I was going to say, he looks like. He's a stress head. And then I'll, yeah, I can be pretty mighty as well.

But normally I'll just like try and take myself away before I get to that. But yeah, I can turn into a bit of a divra and all. When I'm fucking the worst. I'm sorry. And it's me and Drew, we're the fucking worst. But I remember. On the BWP, you're a bit of a diva then. Oh, go on.

No, I just remember thinking he's a bit of a fucking diva. Is it? Even back then? Before I was fucking spoiled. Fuck me, go on, what did I do? No, honestly, I can't give you an exact example. Well, you fucking remembered. Do you know what it was, right?

It was the London show. Where did we play on that London, that BWBel? Carriage. Yeah, I just wanted to go home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was the last show, and I think everyone had kind of, like, had enough. And I think, I just remember talking to you. And I don't remember the conversation.

I just remember walking around, like, fucking hell. He's sassy. He's a bit fucks up with him. And you know what? It definitely happened. Yeah. And I'm not even any better. If anything, I'm worse.

I'm like, but that is a bit, I'm probably better at not letting a fucking support band see. Do you know what that would have been as well? Like that, that was the last tour of the BWP. Taking it out on the support. No, it would have been, I'll probably moaned at you.

Probably. It wasn't anything bad. You didn't. Sounds pretty bad. You didn't upset me. day. You didn't upset me. I was alright. But yeah, I just remember walking away and me like,

geez. I fucking wish we could find out what it was. Yeah, I haven't changed the tour. If anything, I'm definitely worse. But I'm better at, like, I'm just, by that point, I've been touring for 10 years. Now I've been touring for 20 years.

So it just gets, and at that point, respectfully, was a sinking ship 10 years ago. So, like, we did that tour. I think you smashed, where you like smashed us on that tour. So it was like,

I was like, in my head, checked out while I went home and left the band. So you actually caught me on the, on probably the day that I decided to leave the band. No,

yeah, there's no, there's no, I don't, there's no hard feelings. And I think if I've been touring, I mean, I'm miserable after 12 years of touring.

So like, yeah, another 10 years. Unless it's like 2,000 people bouncing. He's grumpy these days. Yeah, I'll just sit back, sit backstage and play Call of Duty.

That's that, But that's the coming back to what you were saying about partying. We're kind of all chilled out a lot. Compared to what we were like five, six years ago, we've quite, done a bit of growing up. And it's not consistent. Like how we were touring back in like 2014, 2015. So it's unsustainable.

Yeah. I've looked back at that now and I'm like, oh my God, like, I can't do that again. The thought of it makes me anxious. Yeah. See, I've gone, never say never, because I've gone full circle. Because I've realized if I do a tour sober, this is obviously terrible advice,

don't take my advice. If I do a tour sober, I fucking hate it even more than I already hate it. It does take the edge off. Oh, it's so good. Like if something goes wrong and you just go and have a couple of points, it's like, oh, you know what?

It doesn't matter. It's fucking amazing. Yeah, but once you adopt that attitude when you don't need the beer, which is kind of where I'm at now, it's like something goes wrong, it doesn't matter. Right, how did you do? do that though come on teach me uh yoga is it actually i'll actually never do is it actually i try

no honestly just talk trying and try and try and take a bit of a step back and see the like honestly trying to see the bigger picture like anything with like regards to the tour around now with like when it comes to like traveling logistics and stuff trying to just see the bigger picture and be like actually in the end it will be fine not getting hung up over like where the drum kit's going to be on the fucking stage or like how many cabs we can fit on and just be like listen it is just like because like before for example it's easy to say that as a singer though

isn't it it is what it is guys let me just load in my microphone it's true true yeah 100% and I'm aware I've got an easy ride but like on the ginger saw we just did there were a lot of nights where

we had to have Charlie off to the side which I think as if I'm standing watching a show and the drum was on the right I think that looks wank it feels weird on stage it feels weird on stage the whole vibe's off but, you know, the shows were still sick. Life goes on.

Fucking Zen over here. How are you? Oh, he's a diva. I'm fucking Zen. Well, we've fallen out. I've got like 30 boxes to bring in. I've got five toms, six tons, all of that. Are you not fucking sick of it?

That's what it is. There it is. That's what it is. Like, because you've been doing it for fucking ages as well. It goes to a point where, like, say you've got a meter. I've got a meter. meter of a hundred and it's a hundred fucks that I give and it's

every time I have to load in 11 fucking drums or whatever and set my shit up and I stub my fucking thumb while I was doing a symbol felt it just goes bum bum bum bum bum and now I'm here to the point where I'll pay for I talk about it all the time on the podcast but I'll pay

for a drum tech out of my own money when I'm just doing my symbols daily I'm like oh my god imagine if I had a drum tech I'm just thinking I will forget what myself I'll pay for it myself that's what I do And it's mentally it's worth it Because then you can adopt the singer Yeah imagine

Oh chill guys Just come back from the fucking Come back from BBCI What is the BBC I play a shit It's just always on it You watch like a full series of shameless On the last tour Why do you get roasted for that

No why is lapped off a thing Well the rest of us have got ADHD And we're running around Talking to every single person in the venue And then he's just sat there Focused on the iPad for the whole night And I just don't know how he does it so we're like, oh, fucking BBCI over here.

Yeah, these guys are... BBCI, so that's the nickname. I don't... Funny thing is, it's never Iplayers, so there's Netflix, so I don't know whether... It's fucking so much funnier to call it I player, though. That's why. I was thinking is when we went to Nando's last night,

then I came home, and I think I made a tweet about it, but I was like, it's hard to think of another band that every member is funny, like, in their own way, like, the Malev. And in my head, it was like,

It's like the fucking spice girls. Like every one of you is completely different. Spice boys. That'll do it. But like every one of you is completely different, but in your own way. So like you could have like a favourite. I think Mellev needs more. I'll get every single member on the podcast and people can decide.

What was your tweet by the way? You know how like... What did you put? K-pop people have that they call it a bias. Oh yeah. Who's your Mellev bias? And it's like who's, who's, who's your BTS bias or whatever

which one's your favourite. I've got a... Let me see, yeah. A lot of people saying con. Charlie, con. Josh. Josh. Stan.

I think a lot of people... A lot of people didn't understand the joke. Absolutely no one says Alex. Cheers, guys. Absolutely no one. But yeah, where the fuck? What we're talking about before that? I can't remember.

Boozing or something. Professional. Oh, yeah, drum tech stuff. I just I think everyone be a lot more everyone be comfortable if we could all just have crew that's the goal isn't it but people would think Malave have got a massive crew

and you're making loads of fucking money no we just started getting crew yeah crew is quite a new thing for us so like we have like our own sound engineer that we just kind of started working with recently and he's amazing and now the little boy

youth team signing. Young boy malevolated on Instagram. We made him change his internet. The young boy malevolated. It was 0121, Tom malevolated. And then he's been updated since, I think. Yeah, his bio is like, best sound guy on da package.

Wow. He's 21? 21. 21, mate. Can you imagine? Is he smashing it? He's killing it. What were you like at 21? Fucking diva, apparently.

More of the same. I don't know why I'm such a prick. I don't know what it is. I try so hard to not be. You've really, that's going to be a complex now. I hope I've changed. I haven't. No, you sound mate.

I've changed to other people. Listen, we're, this for 10 years ago, don't worry about it. I were a bit of a prick 10 years ago and old, so, you know. It's all good. I didn't think you were a prick at the time. But who else have I left that lasting impression on? Who fucking cares? Look, you're on your own podcast now.

You're doing bits out of you. You've got a lovely guy. Fuck you. Come on. Who ever did that? Yeah, chat shirt, get banged. I remember that in a while. Fuck, yeah, let's go.

Jamie Bardi. Is anyone like mad into sports, how are you lot? Not really. Pretend to be. Yeah, me and Charlie. That's our aesthetic, but we actually can't. Yeah, we'll print football shirts all day long. But now, me and Charlie, like, I watch a bit of football.

Charlie watches a bit of football. None of the other lads give a shape. Will cup. When Will cup's on, we'll all go to the pub and watch a game. I'm Sheffield Wednesday through and through, but yeah, they just kicked the ball out of the pitch all the time. I lost a bit of interest, but yeah, if anyone asks, yeah, Wednesday. I lost so much interest during COVID.

I fell out of love with loads of shit during COVID. They're like the, when they had football on without the crowd, I was like, it just reminded. It was like someone poking me in the head going, remember there's a pandemic. Remember you might not be able to go back to work ever. Yeah, yeah. And it was always out of sync as well, which really,

pisses me off. Like, and it's like the same with them. Anytime you see a live video and there's like a slight, slight audio sync. I don't trust me. I've been doing that shit all fucking day

working on fucking audio sinks. Let's talk about your US tour. Let's talk about this latest US talk because the first one sounds like it was pretty DIY. Ginger POD. So in my head, does Adam manage you?

Yes. Adam Foster. Shout out. Adam Foster. Love him. Big ups. I've never heard him called Adam. He's only ever been Foster.

Foster, yeah. He used to drive for Atch Fy and he's got some, yeah. He's got some fucking stories about me. Because he came up, like, driving Wachey. Right. And so you tell him, I'm a fucking diva. Ask Adam Foster what I was like when I was in By Hoverie.

You got any more Foster stories? I'm intrigued. I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not going to fucking release him. Foster came on the podcast and it didn't come out. Oh, really? Is he one of these ones that's like, oh, no, we can't. It was a really early day. he's in the podcast and in his defense he came on the podcast and fucking unloading about loads of

shit and i was like during the podcast i was like are you sure you're out to say this and he was like uh yeah and then afterwards it was like probably shouldn't but it wasn't like bad shit it was like shit that needed to be said about the industry um but if i love to hear that it's he pushing you he's i don't own the file i think he bought the file off me because he was like i want to release this one day but when the time's right. You know what he's like. Fuckin. Checkers not.

Chess not checkers. Is he... Because a man fucking knows the music business. Is he helping with the choice of tours? Or do you just get the tours and then you guys pick or what? Because ginger POD is the sort of thing on the outside, I would assume...

Looks like a management movement. Well, I did that Mulev would say no to. But I... I don't know if that's the case. It's actually been a bit slim pickings out in the USA because obviously we've not had an offer since 2016 when we did that Kublai Kahn one until we had a Casey strain

and then when that fell through. Luckily, we're just friends of Ginger. We just had a few piss-ups with them throughout Europe and stuff. Yeah, they gave us the offer. That was the only thing we had going, but also it was an amazing opportunity. So, yeah, we gladly took it. Band's fucking massive.

They're so big. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I'm surprised, me to be fair like how big they actually were like because i've heard the name i granted i'd the only time i've really heard of the band is when we were on the bus drinking vodka with them outside manchester academy like a few years ago and then i've heard the name dotted about since it's never listened to the music and then until the tour did you not listen to the me i mean you

can not answer this if you want to stay diplomatic but i'll fucking answer it i never checked amount because of the name. I like... It's the same. Ginger Carnival. Who else? But someone's like, you've got to check this band out.

Everyone was telling me, you've got to check Ginger. I was like, Ginger. I'll be listening to a obituary, thank you. And then I checked it out, and I was like, it's fucking heavy. You know what? You know, it's about ginger.

It's the guitar noise. It's like genting, isn't it? Is that what it is? Apparently? No way, I don't know. Did you know that? Yeah, Josh told me. Makes more sense now, right?

Yeah, now I hate it even more. but the band's actually fucking good. Yeah, they do shred. The tour must have been fucking... Yeah, I was buzzing off POD. The crowd didn't seem to be as much as I'd hoped. It's because it's 22 at this point. Oh.

But they have fucking fine. I'm saying it. You're not saying it. POD's got bangers. POD are really fucking good life. Yeah, so fun. They were like, it was... They've been a band that we've all grown up listening to.

Like, boom and that... What was the satellite and stuff? South Town. That was the album, it's happened. Yeah, we based on the Unbroken Glass

video on the Southam video. And we never actually told him that on the tour. I wanted to make a point of telling him. Oh,

I don't think they give a fuck to be honest. No, they didn't give a fuck about anything and what I had to say. They were cool dudes. Marcus,

the guitarist was sick. He's like a house DJ as well. There's a man after my own heart. Yeah. And then was Alex from Suarez, from Suarez, playing drums.

Yeah, he's a top lad. He's a great drummer. He spent more time in our dressing room. He likes to be there. He likes to party. Yeah. Oh, no, he was straight-edged on that one.

Oh! Maybe he partied too far, because I've partied with that lad a couple of times. Yeah, he's a new, I think he's reformed, reformed party head. Jealous. If only I could get through tour without it. I can't. I can't. I can't.

I feel you. I've thought about it on this Beartooth tour coming up, which you've got a fucking couple of festivals that we play at the same time. What's it called? What's the festival? I can't remember Welcome to Rockville Rockville

We're all on that All the boys on that But we've got this Bear Tooth tour Coming up before that And then And I'm like Could I do it sober

And then I see that We're not on a bus We're in a van again And I'm like Back on the sauce Absolutely not But part of me wants to experiment With it

Maybe like first week Do the first week sober And be like Can I do this? Because Do you smash Jim when you're on tour though? every day.

Well, that's a reason not to booze, isn't it? But... Games. But you know what? Because of playing the set and going in the gym, sometimes the easiest way to get calories in is, like, pints. Because otherwise, I'll be like...

You must know what it's like. If you haven't had enough calories in the day, you to a lesser extent, but, like, drumming, if you haven't got enough calories in the day, I play like shit. If I do two days in a right... I don't know if maybe you're naturally fucking gifted,

but if I... If I have two days in a row where I'm definitely eating under my calories, performance suffers so bad. I've never really checked, to be honest. But yeah, I don't drink before. But you said this yesterday. I said, do you drink before you play? And you went, no.

A couple of points. Well, that is the definition of drinking. I mean, yeah, you definitely do sometimes. If it's a social viber and all your mates are there, then two's the limit, really. Any more than that, I just go seriously down-ill very quickly. But you don't do it for like... because I do it because it makes

I don't get drunk I like I'll have a couple before I play that's a point that I'm not doing a sober tour because I have a couple before I play and it just A loosens me up a little bit playing wise and then B obviously I'm not advocating

drinking alcohol I said fucking way worse on this podcast but and B it makes me more you know like those drummers are a bit lame and they fucking

fucking do loads of show pony shit. You're a stick spinner, but like, like show pony shit. Like, I can't, no, a little bit,

but like, in a good way. Do you not stand up? But I can't, I stand up, but I can only do it if I've had a couple of points. Otherwise,

while I'm doing it, while I'm doing it, I'm like, fuck is this guy? Diva. No, I'm fully, as a vocalist,

I'm fully into it. When I turn around, I see you stood on your drum, stood on your drum stop. That's just ADHD. Giving it all of this. I'm not, I'm fucking,

See, I can't do that sober. I don't have the confidence to do that sober because part of my brain just goes, who the fuck do I think I am? But then I have a couple, and I'm like, I'll tell you I fucking am. Stomping around the place. What was your, what's your favorite?

Give me your favorite USC to play. Go on you go first. L.A. Blows my mind. Reason? Star studded dressing room Nah I didn't really care about that Just the weather to be honest

It was 25 degrees Yeah that's a good valid answer But the show Whenever we play in LA I used to be the show Was shit but now it's good Yeah I just thought it was a cool place

To be honest Lots of stuff going on A little bit different To the rest of it What was that I mean I love LA But the shows are usually Not that great for us

What was the Star Stead Studded dressing room Big boy Jose Mangin turned up Oh yeah Did it interview with the boys For Sirius X-XM which I missed yeah yeah

I was off sending the drum kit back shout out to Jose though because he came through and because of him our band or like so many people on the across that tour came up to us and were like

you're I discovered you because of Jose yeah I want that I want that as a little retirement plan just give me a fucking radio show I love music I just hate being places

just let me do it here yeah yeah yeah yeah Who else came through? Art Cruise, Lama God, lad, he was in. Oh, yeah. We were just taking piss out of him

for being in Windsor Plague. He was in Windsor Plague. He was in Windsorpeg. He was in Windsorpe. Great drummer. Devil Driver, Des from Devil Driver come through. Des from Sepul Toro.

Seppletora singer. He's called Derek, isn't he? That's Derek, yeah. I think you're... Oh, Des? It's at you just calling them... Do you do that? Just give people nicknames.

Ar Dez? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's like a staple malevolence in joke. Nobody gets called, they really want. Do the people not do that? I know. I do it as well, though, so I quite like that. It's always adding big as well.

Always add big to the beginning. Especially if the person is small. Do you have you heard of what we call Josh? Your Josh. Yeah, yeah. John Baines. We've never called him Josh in his life. He's always John Baines, John the bastard.

John the bitch. So you had a... different Josh, which you called Keith. Yeah, I've got a Josh. Because you had too many Joshes. But then this Josh is called John. And then this other, you got another Josh? Yeah, shout out Jed Furness back in S-10.

You call him Jed. So is anyone just Josh? Really? No. I don't know any. I can't think you were. Did you get, when you did that, so last time we saw each other other than Sheth,

Straitor, was the Architects Tour. Yeah. Did you give anyone nicknames? Did you hang out with anyone? Hey, it was straight business on that, sir. Yeah, I barely saw anybody,

apart from Neil from Inbetweeners. Sleep, talking kid. Neil and the backup dancers. They were great. They were really lovely people. I've got nothing bad to say about it, I mean, you said he looked like Neil from the in between us. I mean, he did.

I told him to his face still. How did he feel about that? Just cracked on. Do you know what I find funny is all of the, all of the like Reddit or whatever like there's still theories about like

I think it's this person or whatever and it's like you meet him and it's like none of those people did you know he was on a malevolence album who? The singer. No. Right.

So I didn't know this either until like yeah the re-release that we did of higher place the acoustic version which is now on Spotify please go stream it because it's gone fuck all streams. Yeah, he did some keys on it.

Really? He did a bit of keys, yeah, yeah. That's news to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did it. So shouts out, shout out, Neil. Big ups. His name is not really Neil. I believe his name is Vessel,

and that's definitely not his name either. Couldn't tell you. I would if I could, but I actually can't. I'll tell you this, but they had, I watched their sound check, and he's one of the few singing,

I mean, it's not my thing singing wise, but like he's doing it. It's not like fucking backing tracks. Yeah, no, he's a sick vocalist. It's not my kind of music at all, but I've got to give him his props. He's a sick vocalist.

Apparently he's got another whole album or two written already, just ready to drop. Yeah, he's doing a grime EPie. Imagine that. Is that real? No. I still don't get you.

I like it. I like that. don't get it because I don't know because that new sleep token song has a fucking funk section at the end imagine if he did though it literally goes out of the grand project boom halfway through like a fucking slap base it's fucking mental it comes out with a like a really hard rap EP I if he's anything like Drake and why not he just does what it wants and fully back it with the mask or not that's the only thing I'm like the funk section you look at the masks and you're like, oh, this might be evil.

And then it's going, bop, that, with like, X Factor audition vocals. Which is fine. It's very good. Everyone, oh, you don't like them. They're fine. They're fine. I'm allowed an opinion.

This is my opinion piece. Oh, he's a diva. Fuck all of you. You got anything to plug? Because it's late, late in the day for the album. MLVLTD.com. Go pick something up. That's our man.

empire. Just going back to that. In my head, how long do you think you should be promoted an album for? Because how long is our album in that? Five years. That's our usual. No, but I mean, for me, right?

One thing that is like apparent at the minute is like bands drop an album. Within like three, four months, it kind of just fizzles out. And we're guilty of this on this last album. Because I feel like, I still feel like you should be pushing it for like a year, at least.

What, a year from release or a year from first single? A year from release. Because, like, think of how much work goes into a fucking album. And, like... Too much. Yeah, too much. It's a fucking ball egg. Do you know how long as standing that fucking vocal booth sweating me tits off? Press campaign's about six months, though, isn't it?

Yeah, you got your press campaign, but in terms of your socials, in some way or other, I think that you need to be pushing that album. Because I still feel like we're still in our album cycle. Like you said, we're all late in the day, but... I still feel like we've, we've not, like, reached the full peak off that album yet. We've not played half of it yet

because we've only had half hour sets doing all these support to us. Like, we're building up to a big headline in next year. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like,

until you get that chance to play all of those songs on that album, it's like, I don't feel like we've kind of achieved that full level of, right, we've pushed that album now. Rinsed it.

There's, like, a new thing happening. Let me know what your thoughts on this. because there's like and I'm seeing it happen I'm seeing it fucking work but at the same time it's it's completely different from anything I've ever done

or anything like and they're not even old people but like the managers have done until recently it's like bands having six singles like and it's just single after single after single and it fucking works

what rappers do spirit box lorna shore like bad omens, a billion fucking singles, and then they're the biggest fucking band on the planet. That's literally how

I want to take it. I reckon it's gonna be the way. Because it's like you put, you think about how much work you put into an album and half the tracks on it get fucking skipped. All the time.

Unless it's a sick one like malicious intent, which is, you know, rare. But, but... But, wait, you made that a single, though? Malicious intent? Yeah.

No, that's... Album tracked out. album track title. Yeah, but, like, what was the second single? First one was on Broken Glass, second was life sentence. That's what I'm thinking of.

Do you find, like, you'll make a reel or something or like a clip or whatever and you'll use one of the later tracks on the album that wasn't a single, and everyone was like, oh my God, is this new music? It's like, no, just fucking listen to the album. Get to the end of it.

That's it. And it's because, like, I feel like the market that we'd like, we're living in with music it's like that fast consumerism every once they're like TikTok fucking TikTok yeah TikTok attentions man like it's like a real thing so like

I'm fully on it for just doing singles in the future and like oh like maybe just like a smaller collaboration and then when the time's right if there's a time right doing an album because it's I prefer writing in that style like you know if we're all together writing I prefer writing for like one or two tracks

rather than like fucking out we've got eight on that and songs are really to write, because it's, I don't feel like you reach your full, like potential if you, you know, you've got that, that journey ahead of you.

You see it as more of like a struggle rather than something fun. And you might not be in, you might have them a game for five tracks. Exactly. And then it's like, well, we need three more.

It's like, well, that'll do, put it on there, fucking front load the album, dish, bash, that's basically how we did it. We had like five bangers down

and we're like, shit, we need five more. Yeah. And then like, it felt like the quality was just trickling away. trying to shit these five more out.

But then they all came together. Trying to shit and that. Exactly. But they couldn't, all right. What's the shit is something? Do or die. I hate that tune. Yeah, do or die.

But what track is it? It's like track seven or eight or something. Yeah. Track seven or eight is where you put the fucking toilet. Yeah. There was talk of like the last track being a single. So like I'm confident in saying that like it's an album full of bangers. Yeah.

Like I'm by this, when I say it's the shittiest song, I don't think it's necessarily a bad song. I just don't think it matches the same quality of the other songs on the album, which is fine. It's, you know, like everyone has them. It's got a lot of, like, Manich's Intent's got a lot of up and down,

not in terms of quality of songs, but you've got... I was going to say it. No, no, you've got... Fucking diva. You've got, like... There's a lot of chill in there. There's a lot of, like, crowbar-e,

fucking, like, Pantera... like, you know, con getting his fucking pipes out. A lot of dynamics, yeah. I just wanted to showcase to like all aspects, really. I noticed that were your set list where,

when you did the architect's thing, there was some, you know, you didn't go all out just fucking heavy. Yeah, let's the piters have a rest and then we pick it back up for the NB and getting bouncing again. It seems to work. Respect for doing that.

Yeah, safe. I don't think I ever want to do like a fully, softs there. Joshan kind of done their acoustic stuff. That's the alter ego. I need to feel like, I need to feel that energy and I need to see people going fucking nuts. If I don't see that, then it's like

I find it really hard to Yeah, you don't get the feedback. Yeah, and I know that's like the cliche thing. It's like you feed off the energy of the crowd, but you literally do. Like, and you do especially. Yeah, like I get like, if I don't see people like, they don't have to be moshing, even just stood there, like smiling, having a good time.

If I can see they're having a good time, then sound. But if you're playing to a room full of people with their arms crossed or on their phones, don't give a shit, then it's like, it's brutal. Like, for me, it's the same experience every time pretty much because I'm just, like, looking at this nerd drum. Just trying to get through it, I'll fucking up. And then for him, like, if he gets a load of, like, frowning people, he gets face on. Yeah, but I couldn't fucking do it.

Especially, like, what you're saying, in one of the, like, slow, chiller moments or songs, like, how do you know if they're enjoying it? Because a lot of the time it's just this. It was like in America, like we walk on. It was blatant that nobody had ever heard of us. And they were all stood there with arms folded looking pretty cross. We were like, who are these mopets? And then like by song three, we'd have them spinning with a circle put in the middle of self-superimacy.

Yeah. Do you ever change the set? I mean, you played three shows and then you go, well, that's not fucking working. Flip it up. Really? Yeah, normally we're pretty. We have like... Are you perfect, are you?

Stubborn. No, no, we're not perfect at all, but I mean, like, we'll sit when we're driving somewhere, like, for example, tonight we've got a 35 minute set rather than a 30 minute set. So, like, we'll have like a two-hour long discussion in the van about which songs we should add in or take away. Wait, so you're going to change, do you change your set? This tour, you've got 35 minutes every night or not? UK leg, we've got 35. But are you swapping songs? We just add in one. I didn't want, yeah. I stay out of this conversation. because it just goes around in a massive circle

and we end up at square one so I've given up with it to be honest but like is tonight set going to be different from the island shows only with the addition and one song because you realise you got enough time yeah the start and the finish and like you know the highlights are still the same bit

we're just adding in an extra one but yeah like well it's like a well discussed thing when we're changing the set list up and from time to time like depending on the tour as well we do we do switch things up and like if we've got longer then we'll like try and space it out so we've got like

the older hits off the first and second albums and like it is like a conscious decision we'll try and mix up a little bit but at the minute we end on a we end on malicious the start on malicious intent and end on broken glass that's that's the the template and then whatever happens in the middle it's just kind of like if you like us though and you've got loads of bangers it is hard to fit them all in do you know what I mean fucking modest truth. Yeah, no, the more albums we release, the more it's like, well, what do you cut? Because you have to play the singles, but often the singles aren't the ones that are the most

fun to play. They're just the biggest songs. Yeah. So songs like, on our next door, we've got like second death is like my favorite song to play. He's got the best breakdowns, the best stray breakdown. But it wasn't a single, so it's getting axed because we've got new singles. Yeah. Same for us with karma.

Yeah. It always pops off. It's very difficult to get through. I love playing that song because we didn't release it as a single It never really quite makes the cut We did it at Bloodstock And Will from Lorna Shaw came out

And we put that video out on YouTube That's money, that's money that's Fues on that Yeah, shouts out Will The guy's fucking amazing Viral dude Yeah, he comes in and absolutely killed it And that video has done really well on YouTube

Got more views than most of our music videos Yeah, actually That's what I mean, the fucking the like the weird viral the viral shit is not an album and the press cycle and the press agents and even managers need to like sort of realize instead of they're being I feel like

everyone's been really stubborn and they're like you need an album this is how we do it there's three months before a bit there's a single but you don't announce the album and then there's the second single and you announce this part of the album but the first single was actually on the album as well but they didn't know that then you've got three months of press, then your album comes out, and then that's fucking it.

Yeah. But it needs to be more. And that's what I mean. You know, like, when it ends after them three months, like that's it. And then it's like, oh,

you just kind of left offender on your own. But my argument is like, you need to be keeping on with that. And that's why I asked Will to come on do that thing because I was like, this is a good opportunity. He's down. I'm down.

Let's, let's make it kind of like its own single by bringing Will out. And then everyone's asking for Will to come on the, on the, on the, actual track on they want us to

re-record it we will on it and it's and you should fucking do that I'll be down so fucking easy you just get stems and then get him to do it that's so easy but I bet you there'll be fucking managers and all sorts going oh no because it's so weird

oh no maybe we shouldn't do that just fucking everyone everyone has goldfish attention spans at the moment because of fucking TikTok and all that shit so you need to I've seen it with so many bands bands aren't even good. I'm not even going to

throw them under the bus, but like... Go on. No. But, Carrey, we were talking yesterday. Who can we shit talk? I'll tell you what, it's one of the bands we said we can't shit talk. But like, single after, single after,

single after single after single after single after single after single after single after single. And then it's like, because of that, their Spotify monthly listeners are massive all across the year. And because of that, then they get playlisted more. And because of that, they're getting... This is... not just the band I'm talking about,

but you get more tours because people go, well, they look at the fucking numbers, but the numbers can be juiced in various ways. I want to start doing, like we're talking about, I just want to do, how many tracks are on the album?

10. How many singles? 10. When we finish the album, and we get the first mix and we agree it, single comes out. No, fucking, do a radio head,

just fucking drop it. No, like, man, man, who's going to man the press? It's not fucking Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it'd be interesting to see if it worked, like how it was received. I feel like there's bands not necessarily in like metal,

metal and alternative music, whatever, that are doing that. Like, I know like DMAs from Australia, they're like indie, Prague, whatever they are. They don't tell anyone or something, I swear, when they drop, it just fucking pops up on Instagram Monday. It's like, yeah, the song's out now. I'm like, oh, sound, yeah. And then I'll go and watch it.

rather than like, oh, we have a tune coming out on the 13th of July, 2024, make sure you're there at 9pm. Yeah. And I have to set a reminder to just check out this song that might be shit. Yeah, and the way the algorithm works as well, the post that the band makes about make sure to make sure that you're there at 3pm, that post gets all the fucking traction. Yeah.

Because everyone, yeah, everyone goes, oh yeah, amazing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. so the actual release gets less from the algorithm which is fucking dumb yeah and these labels are like oh post twice a day three times a day just absolutely ruins all the algorithm yeah no the more i do this the more i do the podcast the more i learn from like just experience not of this person did business studies five years ago about music because music industry changes every fucking second the more of this i do the more i realize like there's a different way to do everything and no one's doing it yet. Even with like TikTok, bring me fucking, can you feel my heart, got bigger than it ever was again because of TikTok and then the band got even more massive because of that.

And that's like essentially releasing a single from a 10 year old album. Yeah. And that's happened loads. Like the amount of songs that have just come back after like, um, it's like that. the amount of people there was like on tic-tok getting slacks in the face you know yeah that was nice but like the amount of people were getting the slap in the face or something and that song that song just went like back into the charts like straight away and it's like it's like it's mental like the power that it has but there is a flip side to it which i kind of like because it still means there's no like one formula because now you're also getting people who are deliberately trying to go viral on ticot like oh the new chat

here's our new single. And the challenge is smash this and cut your own throat with it. And then like just hoping it goes fucking, obviously not that, but like hoping it goes viral and then you're just fucking cringe. Bro, that's literally me.

I literally would yesterday put up a video. What did you do? Fucking hilarious. What did you do? Are you? Have I got you on Instagram? Pretend he was going to bed and then turn around in Yulma's upside down.

Hang on, hang on. Oh, I like funny shit. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, he's good for that. We used to have Vine, you see. Do you remember Vine? See, that's funny. No, that's funny.

I mean, like, a band releasing a single and they're like, we want to see you do this to the song. It's like, that's not how it works. There's still, I'm saying, the industry has to change, but your shit still needs to be good. You can't just fucking have a turd

with a viral fucking campaign behind it. There probably is. Dance challenge. Stuff like that. Yeah, see, that shit. I feel it's getting there's too many people doing it the other thing that's insane

is people doing like a fully paid YouTube ad but it's the whole song you've seen that no I don't see that oh that's a pretty bad one it's like how's that work so they're paying

it's like a work around you pay the you pay to put an ad on YouTube but you pay for like at the beginning of a Bringin Horizon music video but the whole ad is your band single because you sound a little bit like bring me the horizon

there's labels pumping so much money into that fucking scamming just make good music I was just trying to set one of them but for guilt trip were you actually were you actually

so right now no no no that so you think that's a good idea well you're allowed to disagree with me I am a diva but I will well

trial and error we'll see how it goes to be fair now I know what you're on about like I have I've never going and actively found the song again, but I have heard a good song on one of them adverts before.

Do you know the thing that annoys me about it though? It's not like, I disagree that it's a good idea. It's that there will be so much good music, potentially better music, that can't afford to do that that if that becomes the norm, it's like, how do you become a band? Oh, you have to pay money to YouTube. It's like, fucking, it's turning,

this into the most capitalism that I can think of and there'll be bands that can't afford that are fucking sick but on the flip side sorry just talking out loud on the flip side maybe that would be cool because they'll still be underground cool bands

yeah I don't know I'm too old to be young and I'm too young to be old I don't really know what I'm talking about it's talking out loud we're an hour in how long was the Wilkie and Josh podcast probably about the same as this

so right well we need to talk more then well no yeah because we've done their dream festival yeah we've rinsed sleep tokens and now we go yeah it's exactly the same formula it's MLEV podcast the thing is about this is again with press why I found what I get

when I get a message about you do this band blah blah blah blah blah but I literally feel like saying almost nine times out of ten to the press agent, like, no one cares about us talking about the album unless they murdered someone while making the album. Or tried to have someone murdered. Hey!

That's so it wouldn't be a downbeat podcast, the episode without a as-al-they-dying fucking roast. But, like, people will listen to it and be like, oh, these lads seem pretty cool. I'll check out the band. And then if music's good, then they fucking like it. They're not going to, nothing we could say other than, like, like, Oh, when we were writing this song, fucking con smoke PCP and killed a fucking sex worker.

And then nothing's going to make them go and check out the music. Like, they're going to check out the music because you're on the fucking podcast. So what we're going to do now is the Dream Festival section, which is quite hard to do with two people. But

Wilkie and Josh's was a good one. Yeah, Will's kind of summed it up for me. No. No. No. I'm going to write, we're going to go. We're going to go from a start. Okay, here we go. And we'll see if anything change.

No, don't you sew. I'm sewing. Go on then. I'm sewing because people, I appreciate that you know, you know the system. But then someone will go, come straight in with what they're big, the big band they want is. It's like, no, I've got to tease it in.

There's got to be some festival foreplay. What country is the festival happening in? Talent. See? Love it. What were you about to say before I said that? What were you going to start this with? Just need a room for every different genre.

You've got your garage room, your house. I was right to cut you off. Because that's fucking, that's 10 minutes time. Save me. That's 10 minutes time. Thailand, you're saying Thailand. Where are you saying? Agreeing or you got a different...

I'm agreeing. I mean, my only request is that it's somewhere hot and near a beach and just like... Thailand's a bit strict, actually. Where's the less rules than that? Philippines? No, lots of rules there. What are you the rulemaster?

I don't know. I was thinking where there's a death penalty if you get caught with things. I thought you changed. It's hypothetical? This is a dream festival, so hypothetical. You know, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but you know, Thailand's recently legalized weed.

In a hypothetical situation, maybe we're in Thailand and they've decriminalized all drugs and fun. Yes? Then we'll go for it. So we're going for a version of Thailand that's recently decriminalized all activities. Quite a lot of activities are.

Make it sound like we're fucking junkies. He did it. I agree though, because I've been to Thailand before. Yeah. And like, the police would stop us to just search us in case we had anything. And obviously, if you get rid of fucking the need for police. So we're in a...

Leaseless Thailand. Thailand, no feds. Thailand and no feds. Love it. Love that. Are you agreeing with Thailand no feds? Yeah, I'm down for that. I'm down for that.

Whatever's good. What is, we'll go, what is your accommodation? Before I go anywhere. So I'm going to go with this one. Anything similar to what we had on the Malta, bring me in the Risen Weekender, which was a really nice hotel

with some nice gardens, really nice kind of, pool to bar area how d s3 to take you anywhere oh this three yeah yeah we'll fly yours out thanks guys um don't because people drop off the patron he seems to be doing all right

listen this costs a lot I still need your pound if anything I need two pounds is still not at his kitchen finished either don't fucking docks my kitchen uh all right so was a malta was sick then

Mott was amazing. It was like, so we were out there for a week, all the girlfriends came out, and it was just like a lot of lads in girlfriends' holiday, and then somebody stuck a show on the end of it in the middle of this like field. Well, this dream festival, that was one.

Yeah, because that was pre, when I did Wilkie and Josh, that was pre that, that Malta thing. And then I saw the Malta thing, and I was like, that's pretty much their dream festival. You're not fancy it. No, I was like, the podcast got to the level where I'm like

these things are happening and I'm like why is no one invited me not being that guy but I'm like maybe maybe I've fucking they think I'm a divot no no you'd be that diva why am I not doing shit there that would have been fine that'd have been fun we would have talked yeah

but I mean to like thank you but I mean to like do a podcast oh yeah yeah I'd just fucking fly the light out that would have been a sick opportunity to be fair that. They've missed, they've dropped the ball on that. That's what I'm saying.

I don't think I'm arrogant to think that, we're talking about you need to fucking ticotify everything. Free fucking press. None of these fucking, and no offense to the people that they bring to these fucking things

to do press. Oh, Malta had the, we wear black people, fair enough. That's probably why I didn't get to go. But like, bring me as well. Yeah, Malta 2.0. Bring Craig.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Otherwise it's sexist now. You bring a boy. right okay um right

we're in no fed Thailand we've got a nice hotel with a pool someone someone who can bring your drinks to your we've got a runner

they can bring you anything in the age have you like if I actually played India once and we actually had a runner and we actually had a hotel with a pool

and we had a guy that we just like come up felt a little bit a little bit a little bit slavy but like no

no like we tipped him heavily but he'd like come up and be like, if I come out of nowhere and be like, would you like another beer? And I was like, well, yes, I would. And I was like, I was overly tipping

because I was like, this feels fucking weird. Yeah, yeah. So you've got one of those, but it is, you know, they're being paid handsomely. It's not, yeah. They're having a good time. They're on the books. They're not on the books.

They're not declaring anything. They're taking stone cold cash. Nice. But they're also on a decent wage. Everything is fair trade. here we're going to we're in a part of the world

it's quite easy to human traffic so so I mentioned human trafficking I mentioned child abuse where else can we go so what this is a weird question but I just want to know

not as weird as anything else I've said but like what is what floors your hotel room on well mine's a villa with a massive poor jacuzzi spa facilities slippers

slippers on site dressing gown what are spa facilities any treatment you need facial massage full body massage not a weird one just a proper back rub the weird ones right

that's often annoying especially in that part of the world there are quite a lot of it's hard to get an actual good massage because you go for a massage and it's like well they're either good at doing a massage or they're good at wanking.

So... No in between. There's no in between. Talking from experience. So like, yeah. You let go. You'll go to get a massage, be well up for a massage,

and it's just like a fucking little rub. And then they want to jerk you off. And the rubber glove comes on. Then they want to jerk... We're in Thailand. Rubber glove. And then... They'll like, or it'd be vice versa.

I mean, it's not vice versa, but I imagine there'd be people who are trying to go for a tug and they're simply getting a rug. Trying to go for a tug and you just can win out. Exactly. Really relaxed. Can I really, really relaxed. I went in, funny enough, it was in chef. I went to get, that day I went to get a massage.

And when I was, like, there's obviously a changing room. I would just, just a normal massage for the rest of. record. I'm not going or frequenting these places. I'm being funny. I went and there was like a room to get changed before the massage and there's a massive sign like the death penalty sign that you get when you go and it was like we essentially said we will not jerk you off in like game capitals. How many times must that happen? Oh yeah. But like it was like huge fucking bold like almost like you know the meme font like impact. It was like impact and it was It's like, we will not touch your genitals or something.

You've got to think, how many times are they getting, like, dodgy blocs going in, like, and, yeah, you've got to think, at some point, that's going to get fucking annoying. Well, annoying. It's like, especially if you've spent, like, years and years. Training. Training to be a masseuse, and then you've got some fucking Desmond from Parsons Cross coming in and asking for him to whack him off. I'd be fucking livid and all. I'd be putting an impact font sign up and, like, piss off. Also, if you're the sort of person that wants to get wanked off by someone else,

like, just familiarise yourself with some of the apps and the websites available. Don't just go to some random massage place. I'm not talking from experience. Some experience. Okay. Back to the festival. We're fedless. We're fedless in Thailand.

Villa. You in a hotel? You're in the same villa? Same villa? Separate. Yeah. I know, yeah, you're separate, yeah. A communal area for the vibes.

Yeah, communal area where the pool is, but the villas all feed onto this, like, one little, what, one big pool area. Jetis skis next to the beach. This is very, like, the other one. Yeah. Who, so my left's playing. Who's your headliners?

We're playing, but we don't have to play. Like, we can watch someone else fill in and play our tunes and we can pit to it. Nice, that's good. I'd have that. I've not had that yet. I've not actually thought about that. Okay.

That's a rate shot. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, go on. I just want to know who's, who's on vocals. That's, I'm literally,

that's what I'm going to segue here to, so that you've opened it. You've, what, from fucking, Mark of Defiles? It's a lot of,

what's he up to? Um, he's just got a proper job. That's it? Yeah, yeah, shout up, R-O-P.

Um, the, okay, so if M-Ev's playing, but it's not you, so you're watching and pitting and whatever. Who's the line up? Who's fake Malav?

That's a tough one. Do you reckon you could hack it? Fuck no. You want to do it's a feat? I could do that. I couldn't do the feet. No, your feet are better tomorrow. If I was going to say a drummer,

you'd be top three. You've got to learn it and do it for this fest. I appreciate that and I love that. I could. Some of your kick drums, I couldn't do it. I definitely couldn't do it. Fair play.

Cheers, Palm. Hands. I fucking got you on hands. Feet, there's no way. I'm not saying I've got you as in I'm better. as in I could do the blasting, I could do all the fast shit. My feet just don't go fast.

It's fucking annoying. Well, shit. So who's gonna do it? Not me? I get machine gun Benny on it. He's runners up at the minute, I think. Machine gun Benny, yeah. He's improving rapidly.

Have you seen him on Instagram? MGB. Plays in tsunami. Yeah. Big lad. Yeah. All right, cool. He's on drums.

All right. Seven foot? Yeah, he's a great tall. Yeah, he's a big lad. Confirm seven foot, though, you were being... No, confirmed. Yeah, I had to go like that.

Holy shit. Talk to him. Like me. Basketball game afterwards? Anyway. So if we're talking hypothetically, obviously. Machine Gambini's on drums.

Machine him on drums. The only person that's going to hold a crown to Connie's Kurt Crowbar. So he'd have to fly. He'd have to jump in. I think for Josh, probably, what's his lad from?

from Lamargod, Mark Morton. Yeah, you can do that. Base, fucking anyone can replace milk. Now, we'll get Barry from Nasty. Barry from Nasty. Yeah, that's Wilkie's idol. He drinks 10 cans minimum on stage. Shout us up, Barry.

I love this. Who's you, though? I don't know. You've got a pick? Because this line up's awesome. Juster. That is so, I mean, heart.

Jaster fucking Kirk's already. Too obvious. All right. Are you picking? All right. Carmero, Mark. Not got the range,

has he? No, he's not, he's not, he's a bit right wing these days. I was about to say, oh,

God. Yeah, you want to, he's fine. I feel like he's like, I feel like he's like, sometimes he'll say something,

I'm like, you don't really believe that. You just want, you just want the fucking tweets to happen. Yeah, yeah. It's, he's poking about.

I'm sticking with Jaster. All right. He's, He's my idol, so fucking, yeah, he can come and fill him for me if he's got a free moment from... Making fucking pasta, whatever he's up to. Yeah.

That's a good lineup. I like that. Okay, so fake my left's playing. Who's headlining? Drake. See, I don't even rate Drake that much. Like, I still do. Drake.

Always will do, I think. The Take Care album was good, everything else afterwards because he's been getting a bit shy. But my music taste compared to the rest of the lads is quite. different in terms of like I like a lot of like European rap and like Afro beats and stuff like that and like German Afrobeats specifically so like

That is a very specific genre Yeah yeah yeah yeah it's so like The rest of the lads aren't it's not really their thing So I say Drake I meant cold our truth Godard truth headline Drake supporting Yeah Who's your headliner

Um I think I just have one of the German rappers Like, Bone, a guy called Bone, Bones MC, he's fucking massive in Germany,

selling out arenas on the daily. But... With having Charlebone or not? Yeah. Well, this is no fun because I don't know

any of these people other than Drake that I don't care about. Grid iron. Yeah, yeah. Grid iron playing every single song. This is the same fucking festival.

Yeah. Is it really? Yeah. Oh, great, man's. Yeah, but I like that because that

confirms the tight-knit, spice girlification of malev. I think Joshers and Kanz would be a lot more grebby. Yeah, they'd be having on like 40 watts sun,

Lamarguard. Oh yeah, he's playing. Forty-want sun's playing. We got a warning shirt. Oh. Fuck yeah. Where's yours?

Upstairs. Come on we go get it? No, that's all right. I literally have got one. If anyone doesn't know the band Warning, UK Doom. That's for the after party, though.

When you're so depressing on. Hang on, you want warning at an after party. It's going to make it. Maybe not actually. If anyone doesn't know, warning is a UK doom band and it is, I would go as far as to say,

the most depressing music I've ever heard. That's just to stop Begley talking. Begley's there, then. You can go watch them for a bit. Begley's there. All right, I'm keeping warning on the thing because now my ears are pricked up. We could have a sad room.

The sad room. A sad room where it's like Drake doing his solo. Doing the singing stuff. Singing solo stuff shortly followed by Conzikus set. Followed up by warning. Warning and Drake together at last.

Love that. That's a bit of me. That's fucking funny. All right, we're going to take that. What's food? What's your food? Oh yeah, Mitchell and Star, five-star kit. I'd be going, no, I'd be going...

Mackey's tent. I'd be going for like... You just went... Fishing his start, Mackey's tent. Something for everybody. Yeah, I mean, I'd be down for the Mackey stand, 100%. But if we're in Thailand, like, some of my favorite food is Asian style. So, like, I'd want the local delicacies, really.

And I don't want it served on, like, a plate, like a massive plate with a leaf and a drivel of sauce. I want it served off, like, street food vendor. Yeah, street food. You're not going to get sick from it. Because sometimes it's like, you watch them drop something on the floor and then you just scrape that back up, just turn the fucking heat up. Yeah, yeah. So you get the flavor.

Yeah, I want it served, like, like my favorite style of food is, like, Asian style, eating in the street off, like, the bonnet of a car or something like that. Oh, right, okay, yeah. Don't get me wrong, I like going for a nice posh meal, but, like, my favourite, that's my favorite, like. Anthony Bourdain shit.

Yeah, like, eating in the, in the culture, in the environment, that's like, that, I buzz off that. I don't know what, I don't know what it is, so I just... Do you know what I get scared about food poisoning? Yeah. Like, I do it, but then I freak out after it. Like that was really nice. Yeah, yeah.

Am I going to be sick? I'm going to sick. Yeah, you roll the dice, don't you. I've never really touched wood. I've never really had it like. Bad. Oh, fuck, I have had it bad. I had fucking Wendy's in America.

I get you. Fult Wendy's. Wendy's fucked me up. I got real bad food poisoning. And I've never had it in any of like, fuck, we went to Kenya and we ate like eight in this, in the middle of the fucking forest in Kenya.

Did you play there? Yeah, we played like a show in Nairobi. And we did that. some charity work. But that's why we were there, but might as well play a show. But, like, no, like, didn't really get sick. Some people got sick.

Didn't get sick. But then I've got a Wendy's in America. Oh, fucking worst food poison I've had in my eyes. I have got to say, the food selection in America sucks. You don't like it? I don't really, at all. I fucking hated it.

I mean, if you want to eat a burger and, like, fried shit, then great. Yeah, that's kind of what I want to eat. But not everybody. fucking day, man. It's just like... It's hard. It's so hard that don't be scared of a vegetable. Yeah, no, I do agree.

Says they? Listen, I'm trying... You know how hard it's trying to find... BBC I doesn't like that. But it's hard to try to eat right in America. It's like, come on, lads. Yeah, the coffee game was abysmal. I mean, there was...

Where were you guys fucking playing? But we started in North Carolina and went sort of downwards, downhill. Not a great start. Yeah, just the service stations. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like a pint of dishwater.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I don't know. Oh, fuck that. The fucking... Yeah, it sucked. The massive vats of coffee. Like, if you want to go and find a really good coffee, like, you've got to get an Uber 20 minute.

Yeah, but you were in an RV. You should have just had a fucking V-60 with you. We can't park it anywhere, can you? We do it where you're driving? All right. Night on me. Oh, I've got you next time. I got you next time.

Where the fuck are we out of this Fedless? at festival with some fucking German rappers we got Drake and Morning and the sad boy tent uh who's doing the boat party

accommodation no the boat party is what your dream after party is but Wilkie happen to say boat party are you boat parties are you boat parties or what's your dream after party well there will be several boat parties with different genre yeah

think outside the fucking box think about solid crew get off nice playing 21 seconds not just that song again in again again That's fucking quite a lot of seconds.

What, um, think outside the fucking the box that like, dream after party or just dream thing to do after a show. You might say fucking, I want to go home and pay cod. Do you know what, right? I saw, I was in MTV Awards in Dostledoff a few weeks ago. What the fuck are you doing that? Uh, doing security. That's my day job.

There's a bouncer. What, in Germany? A bit more. Yeah. So I was over in... Wait, wait, you do it in Germany as a job? Or you happened to be in Germany? I was over there as a consultant.

Hey, who didn't know that. Fucking art, man. All right. So I ended up with the MTV Awards after party. And that was kind of how I would imagine our show. So it was on the riverine. in like an older mansion turned nightclub yeah now we're talking and it's it's glamorous there's like

waiters bringing your canopais but the canapes are like mini curry versed mini hot dogs mini burgers like fun shit not you're like starving yeah yeah not you're like your boozy shit free bar and then you've got different rooms obviously different music and then you're like on the terrace outside it's all lit up and stuff like that and they've got like entertainers and stuff like that and it was sick It's proper cool and that's kind of like

how I'd imagine the afterpies so like somewhere in Thailand on the coast big villa leading out onto the beach and you've got different rooms for different vibes

outside so you've been more chill vibe inside you've got your dutty grime and you've got sea dog on the deck screaming here screaming his bars at you are you what are you rapper

doing some rapping only on Sundays is it I've given up now retired after Malta we tried to do it you do it in Malta yeah it would not

In Malta, it was sick. Him and Wilkie had a few bars in Mollo. Yeah, we used to do it. Is it? Oh, I'd love to see it. I don't know if Wilkie said it on the last one, but when we were younger, we used to just come and find our mates DJing at three in the morning, whatever, and just, like, storming, pissed and grab the mic

and waffle a load of bollocks. I would love to see it. Yeah, some footage somewhere. But anyway, so, yeah, when we got booked for this DJ set in Malta, we were, like, panicking midweek, like, shit, what we're going to do? And we were like, right, we're just going to stop it, go into baseline, and then just spray all the bars we used to have from, like, It's literally what their dream festival was.

It pretty much was like the peak moment of our lives. That's so fucking funny. Who was the most famous person at MTV Ward? Taylor Swift. She was there? Taylor Swift. You were securing her. You were the security for Taylor Swift.

I escorted her to a dressing room. You went on a night out with Stormsy. I went to the after party with Stormsy. Is it? What now? That's so sick. Are you boys with him? No, not at all.

I spoke that two words too. That's pretty fucking cool though. I met Luis Capaldi. What's his face? David Hassorff? He's so big in Germany. Like, just a huge, huge star. Yeah, yeah.

From back in the day. But still fucking is. I'm just pulling up your tall days here because we are at the end of the podcast, really. I just want to plug some shit for you. I don't want to rely on you doing it I'll try and get this out before

oh shit no you've got three fucking dates left I ain't fucking doing anything come to a UK show if you did thanks if you didn't what else you got coming up then where else you got coming up so after this we are we're back in the US for LDB

Fest which is going to be sick that's like our first proper hardcore festival The lineups fucking mental this year Is that line up, yeah. It's so good. Was it the Not Lose 10 year anniversary or something? It's going to be fucking mental. It's going to be sick.

And then we fly straight from that, from the US to Australia for Notfest, Australia. Boys, killing it. Yeah. Do you know what? I got asked. You know what we're talking about? Like, when I was like,

why am I not getting invited? I literally said to Notfaz, why am I not getting invited? And then they went, do you want to come to Notfest Australia? And I'm on fucking talk. So gutted. Have you not got someone you can,

send the brand with, like a filling. No, because I want to go. That's good to know, though. It's good to know. Branch out. Downbeat LTV. Am I enough of a diva for it, though? Oh, fuck you.

I mean, by saying stuff like that, I think you are. I think you're learning. You can teach me the ways. You got LDB. Yeah, so LDB, not fest. A US tour that's not announced yet. US tour, yeah. I nearly announced earlier.

nearly i liked how you saved that though thank you big save listen um they'll work it out though when's that getting announced no idea we find out after everyone else finds out at the minute

so we all these festivals that we've just been announced for we find out when they post all that name when we get tagged oh there's another one yeah yeah yeah but it's Sonic Temple is that announced

Sonic yeah that got announced the other day Rockfield we're on the same day at Rockfield though so yeah let's fucking go hopefully it's warm fucking Florida in May it's going to be mental love that I'm literally the best time to go

I'm sick of doing all these winter tours now like we've done so many cold winter tours we need some diva he's back he's a diva that's it you're in you're in all right malev will not tour in the winter yeah don't fucking

don't stop expecting to see us in January I'm sick of it there's a perfect way to do it I remember once I had a perfect year where it was a you know you do Australia in January then you do like America in the spring

because quite a lot of it's still hot. Then you come back to Europe for the summer and then just repeat that. Yeah. And you avoid winter. Yeah. Avoid winter. Yeah.

I think we were like going to originally do something like that. 2019. And then COVID happened obviously. The world got destroyed. Yeah. We didn't even really talk about that once, which is quite good. Good.

Fucking sick. Yeah, same. Can't be fucking honest. All right. Yeah. Go check male. go chuck me a quid because this costs money. And do you know what?

When I was setting everything up today, I was so annoyed because I'm a diva. But like, but it's mainly because I don't know, and it's probably why I was a diva when we met. I'm sorry to keep going on about that. I don't know what I'm doing with anything. But for some reason, I'm in whatever position I'm in,

even like playing a show, I don't know what I'm fucking doing. I don't know where I am, I don't know what setting all this shit up is. So one day I'm just going to give up unless everyone gives me money. Buy a Mellev t-shirt. I levelated.com.

MLVLTD.com. Come to a show. It's quite a fucking empire. I think between the Downbeat and you guys, like, we just fucking, every time I see anyone's at a show. Killing it.

We got it fucking locked. We got it fucking locked. Buy a Downbeat T-shirt while you're fucking on the internet. If you're in America, by this point, there might be an American Downbeat store, www. www.

www.bede. Enjoy his show. I will come to the show. The amount of people who've come here and I haven't gone to their show, You don't have to, pal. It's two seconds away and you're on nice and early.

I'm coming. I'm definitely coming. And I want to see you, man. Yeah, and disclaimer, if you tell me you don't want this to come out, other than the two edits that we announced that we were going to do, I'm going to release it anyway

because I've fucking spent ages setting up. So thank you guys. Thank you for having it. Cheers, Bob. I really enjoyed it. We'll have to get Korn on, on his own, I guess. Yeah. Oh, he'll fucking panic if you get him on his

Really? You'll panic. It'll be all right, but the first 20 minutes is going to be, like, sat there with a red face. Maybe we'll do a full bander somehow. Or if I do one of these festival things? Yeah, that's a fun. If you're watching and you're one of the people that could ask me to do a festival, it will cost you the flight and a grand.

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