The Downbeat - Alexander Jones (Undeath)

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

My guest this week is Alexander Jones, vocalist of Rochester, NY Death Metal band UNDEATH. We talked on DAY ONE of their first european tour AT LENGTH almost EXTENSIVELY about everything death metal: the music, the history, the logos - as well as much more. The band is an amazing mix of old school death metal with a modern perspective. Check them out.

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just downbeat. Check it out. My guest on the podcast this week is Alexander Jones, singer of undeth, band with the coolest, death metal band, with the coolest logo, I think in the world, We chat about cool death metal logos. He does a cool top five. We chat extensively about cannibal corpse. We talk about, you smoke, bro? We talk about chilling. We had a chill time.

It was one of the ones I didn't know him before this. We had such a good little chat. I love his band. They sound like early cannibal corpse. I went to see him that night in a tiny little venue. It was freaking awesome. Check out their tour days at Undeath Metal Doc. check out their latest album it's time to rise from the grave it's alexander jones not alex jones

on the downbeat podcast we'll just leave that it's a good start it's quite a death metal start actually we're just fucking we're already breaking things smashed i broke my fucking plant part and my skateboard also the branding is like almost hilarious in here at the moment because it's like the bit in Wayne's World. It's like the bit in Wayne's world when Garth's got all the Reebok and the Pepsi. That's a little bit like that. All right. I mean, a penning ram is a good way to brand yourself. It's just like the coolest series of shapes. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Alex from Andes. Hi. How are you doing? Doing good. I'm a little sweaty, a little haggard, a little tired, but I'm good. I'm chilling. I've got to say maybe one of the

most, if not the most punctual guest. I was seven minutes late. Yeah, and that's the most punctual so far. Wow. I've got to give credit to myself, I was quite punctual. Everything was set up ready for you. A couple of mishaps breaking the, I mean, that's going to be in the shop now, broken plant pot.

Well, you know, what's the whole Japanese thing where you fix it with gold and then it's supposed to highlight the fractures and stuff? Nice, that's going to happen now. Do that. Do that. It's going to be, you've done it. Yeah. And considering, seven minutes late considering you flew yesterday to Heathrow, which is a long way from here.

Yeah. Van up. Yep. How many people in the van? The band's six plus TM plus driver, so that makes eight. Six plus two. And then you all stayed at somebody's house last night. Yes, we stayed at our driver's friend who I believe plays in a band called Despise, who's from here.

Eight people in one room. When was it? Our driver was lucky. He got to sleep in his friend's room, so it was seven people in one room. Didn't seem like we were going to be able to do it at one point, but we got it done. I wish, Colin, for the record, undef could have stayed here, and I would have been very accommodating. Which one's my camera? This one's you.

Colin. I blew it, dude. I mean, I think we've tweeted each other about twice, so I don't blame him for the Excuse me. Can I can eight people stay at your house? But for the record, you could have done it. Well, he's, he's your personal manager now too. Perfect. I'm giving, I'm bequeathing him to you. I mean, he got you here. I assume. Yeah. I assume everything. Is this when, have you been to the UK before? Not, not on business. Okay. I've been here. You want to go down?

I went here once with my parents when I was pretty young and we went to, it was just England. We did London and Manchester. And then, I went here with my girlfriend five years ago, and we did go to Scotland, but we went to Edinburgh. We didn't go to Glasgow. That's where everyone does. Even though Edinburgh's like, Edinburgh's the better like, let's go see the castle. Like there's shit there to go and see. But Glasgow is like the best place. It reminds me of home in a weird way because I come from upstate western New York, which is sucks.

Not that Glasgow sucks, but it's like. gray and rainy and cold. And when I was walking here, took a nice, like, 30-minute long walk through the rain under all the bridges and stuff. And it was homey. It was nice and gloomy. Honestly, Glasgow and, I mean,

Glasgow and New York City have got quite a lot in common. You'll see when you go downtown later on grid system. I'm pretty sure that's, pretty sure it's maybe one of the only places in the country that also has, like, It's not like Western fucking numbers what you guys do. I mean, compared to the way that most other American cities are laid out, New York City is genius. Yeah.

You know, like, especially driving around a city like Boston, it makes no sense. Like, why isn't every street numbered? Just as an aside there, have you been watching The Last of Us? Speaking of Boston. Not yet. It started airing like right when we were getting ready to do this. Did you play the game? I played both of them, yeah.

The show's fucking sick. Is it just shot for shot like the game? There's stuff that is. Like, I think I'll be honest with you with the game. That first bit, I think it's, it's not the first bit, but it's like the first really hard bit. I think you're underneath the hotel or something, like the basement.

I gave up. I just couldn't fucking do it. I was like, this game's sick, but it's crushing me. But there's a lot of shot from there, from the beginning to there, I noticed a lot of shots that are like shot for shot. Sure. Like looking at his fucked watch and stuff like that.

like i uh you know i think it's cool like i see everybody is saying that it's amazing and i'm definitely going to watch it like i'm excited to check it out but the game already was so cinematic it already felt like you were basically just playing a movie at so many different times so like i want to see somebody like HBO or a real like movie production company make a cinematic experience out of a cupboard or tetris like something fucking i swear did someone do something I mean, I guess not. Yeah, I know what you mean. That would be really impressive.

Everyone is like, I mean, I love it and I love like what I knew of the game. But I guess for me, because I didn't finish it. I'm like, oh, cool, I get to find out what the story is without any skill. I can just fucking stick there and watch it. But like, I guess if it was already, oh, here's a great story and great scenes and great well-shot stuff, just make it again. Yeah. I'm excited to watch it because the way that I played those games was so agro. Like I didn't do the stealth.

No. I just like to just power through those experiences. That's me on Metal Gear Solid. Yeah. We need to make sure that we don't do anything. Motherfucker, I'm getting in a car. I'll go find the guy that I need to extract. I'll get him.

I'll leave. If you give me the option to not be stealthy, like that's what I'm going to take. But then meanwhile, when I watch my girlfriend play games, like she's been playing the most recent Far Cry recently. and she'll do a single mission where you have to overtake an outpost for two hours because she has to systematically go through and find like she scouts everything first

like she must have been like a Marine sniper or something in the past life it gets yes it gets your money worth out of the game it's true i put 500 hours into this yeah i think the most hours i've ever put into a game was the most recent persona persona 5 and that was like 120 are you a big gamer then. Yeah, but I play a lot of very embarrassing games, I feel like what? Like a lot of JRP's to play a lot of, that's my shit as well.

Yeah, really? Like, well, just like, I don't have, like, I've got, that's a gaming PC for streaming, right? But it's not for streaming games. But to do this fucking bullshit, hang on, I forgot to do this. Professional. I need a guy with a fucking clicker.

Guy's gender neutral. Fuck you. Just put a late title card here. Yeah, yeah. we'll do that. We're back in. So I got that for streaming, drums and shit like that, and it just so happened to be like, the spec that I needed was like,

when I was in the streaming, people were like, oh, what's the spec of your, you know, streaming PC? And I was telling me, it was like, oh, that's like fucking insane.

You should play games. Yeah. So I, and I used to play games when I was a kid, and then for some reason, like music took over and I didn't carry on, but I've got a switch, and that gets far more action.

Really? than that. What are you playing on it? Just like I'll play any, I'll go back, you know, they've got the emulators on there. Yeah. And I'll do the Zelda's. Yeah.

And I'll do like fucking earthbound and shit like that. Yeah, that's my shit. That's cool. Yeah, I also have like a, it's not like a state of the art gaming PC, but I didn't build one. I don't have the patience or like the intelligence to do that. I just bought basically a pre-made one that Kyle,

one of our guitarists recommended me. And I have the capability on it to play, you know, call duty and more modern games that are very high resolution. But I'm pretty much exclusively used it to play games that came out 20, 30, 40 years ago. Yeah. Which feels very silly. Yeah, I'm kind of exactly in the same way. Play a lot of like bullet hell games.

Like, you know, like the top-down shooter games where you play like a little like space shit, which is like thousands and thousands of bullets coming out here. Yeah. I don't know. Just something about that puts me in a very zen mindset. Yeah. And I find it extremely relaxing just to like hyper focus on shit like that. So that's what I spent most of my time playing.

On like a fucking gaming piece. Yeah, I'm like a spaceship. Do you play like a console? Bring a console with you on tour or? I tried bringing a switch on tour once. And then I got motion sickness in the van and I just couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, I did exactly the same thing. That's the reason I first got one.

I originally got the portable switch. Yeah. and was like, oh, I'm so bored on a tour all the time. I'll play games. Like, oh, fucking Marriott. I love Marriott. Like, got it. I think it used it once on a tour.

Same thing happened. I can't use it when the van's moving because it's fucking freaking out. I'm just not going to bother. And then I missed it. I tried playing Final Fantasy 7 once on tour, and I didn't even make it past like the first 30 minutes. It's just nauseating. Can't do it.

We need, like, a, they need to just, like, one up. like VR so it's just like you take this pill and you go to the game. I get like gaming withdrawal on tour like three weeks in. I'm like scratching my neck and shit. Like I just, I want to be back sitting in front of my computer. Like I love touring and shit, but I also love like doing nothing. Yeah, see that's that's the thing. It's now a gaming podcast.

Who cares? That's the thing. I'm like, I miss that. So like single player, I guess we're kind of the same like that. Single player Like Next Gen, like, current gen games

When I was a kid So like when the single player Fucking Ocarina of Time and shit Like that came out I played it to death Yeah And then something's gone in my brain Where I can't just sit there

Like the last of us It got hard And I went No, I'm not gonna do this I'm gonna go and do something else Right I need that back And I don't know what it is

I think maybe I stopped smoking weed What did you start? Weed or games Weird Weird Fucking one day It just like, one day I just was just like, I got paranoid. I was like, oh, and then it was just ever since then.

Oh, damn. Okay. It's so annoying because I loved smoking weed. Sure. And then one day it just went, boom. And then now if I'm in the state, you got it pretty fucking good. I can smoke one to one. Yeah.

Like, so if we're in a legal state, I will fucking buy one-to-one cartridges and I will smoke on tour. Great. But I can't, like, I see people fucking, fucking. The other day I did an edible. Well, that's just like a whole totally different experience. It was fucking horrible. It was so insane. I hate doing edibles, but I do them all the time.

I like the part of weave that makes you scared. You like it? Yeah, it's just fun. I feel like it taps you in with a very, like, fucked up primal part of your lizard brain, you know? Yeah. It really activates that fight or flight response. So what do you do when you're scared then?

Surely you're not scared if you enjoy it. I mean, I am scared for sure, but like... Of what? No, give me, come on. Because I know what it's like. You know, I definitely get those moments. Like, I mean, literally two weeks ago, I had a rare day off to myself where I had nothing going on.

I had nothing to do. No band stuff, no work stuff. And I decided, because my girlfriend actually works for like a hemp THC company. Oh, sick. And we live kind of in the middle. So I lived in Rochester for like 15 years. Grew up first like 13 years of my life, downstate, lived sort of like right outside the city, New York City.

And then I just moved out of Rochester in January of this year. So we live in the middle of nowhere. We live in like central New York. And she works for a company that has a hemp farm. Like they grow weed. They do all that shit out there. Started it as like a CBD, CBG company. So she gets free samples and, you know,

Tinctures and gummies and stuff to try and bring home and like test out basically be like a guinea pig for all the time. It's like I mean not for me, but many people's dream job. It's incredible. When you were a kid, when you thought like, wait, there's people that get paid to test games? Wait, there's people to get paid to test weed? Yeah, and you know what? Like I look back on like the past year of my life and I kick myself because I was such a baby about the prospect of leaving Rochester, like Rochester. Yeah.

You know, and I... Oh, I've been. Not to just recklessly talk shit about the place I called home for, you know, a decade plus. But like, it's not a ton going on. And I love people there. I love, like, the bars and I love the restaurants and stuff. But, like, I was just scared to move because I lived there for so long. And it wasn't until I actually finally got convinced by my girlfriend to come move in with her that I was like, oh, I can just have free weed, like, all the time.

Like, why didn't I do this early? I'm saving money on rent probably and I'm saving money on weed. It's like basically the same amount of rent that we were paying in Rochester to live in a shoebox to live in an entire house. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. The tradeoff is that there's nothing around you, but the thing that's around you is free weed all the time. Awesome. It's great. But yeah, like to get back to your original question, I mean, just the other day, I was, I took like a 100 milligram edible.

That's fucking insane. But that's insane for me too, because typically I'm like a 10. I would rather smoke crack. Honestly, I'd rather smoke crack. I think after this experience, I would too. But, like, 10 is pushing it for me, typically. And for some reason, I was just feeling brave, which is something that I never feel.

10 times braver. Yeah, exactly. So I took this 100 milligram edible. And, you know, I'm like an hour, an hour, 20 into the experience. And I'm like, this shit is easy. I got this. And then, you know, cut 20 minutes later. I'm like, on the couch, just holding myself.

I'm, like, telling myself out loud, like, I'm okay. I'm okay. And then my girlfriend comes home and she's like, what does it matter with you? She thought I was having a medical emergency and I was like, I'm so fucking high right now. Like this is crazy. We're trying to watch movies. Like I put something on to relax me and I mean, you know how it is when you're like insanely high. Like time just doesn't.

Yeah. Oh my God. And the edible high. Yeah. It's psychedelic. It's a crazy experience. But we were watching like a stand up special or something and it was like the space in between the jokes just felt way too long. I was literally about to say, there's a thing that happens to me, specifically edibles.

Like when I smoke weed, I'm like, laughy, very happy. When I, when I do edibles, I like, psychoanalyzed the jokes. Yeah. And I'm like, I think that was supposed to be a funny bit. I can't really. I get, like, bummed. Like, they'll tell a joke that's, like, at their own expense. And I'm like, why would they say that about themselves?

And it's something, at some point, I went, wait, this isn't funny. anymore and I stop but I miss it because I'd see my friends on tour and they're like if something stressful happens or they're having like a bad fucking day or there's a really long drive or a day off and nothing to do and then you just get really high and I'm like having so much fun but I would be like fucking anxious like I wonder if I've got athletes foot like like help like weed my main anxiety is like health anxiety comes out really fucking bad yeah it's like I wish I should have that. Like, I feel like it would be for my own benefit if I had any kind of anxiety about my health, but, like, I'd just like to ignore anything that's potentially wrong with me and just push it

back until it becomes, like, a life-threatening issue. I mean, I would love that rather than, I mean, I think I've gone full circle now with, well, I used to be really, really bad with health anxiety. And then that's my dog. She has heart failure. Are you all right? She's amazing. Thanks. She's dying. She's literally dying. She has heart conjecturely. She has heart conjecture. Just have heart failure. How old is she? Like seven.

Pamela. Come here. Oh my gosh. She's big-timing you. Yeah, she is. I'd rather die than me with you. Fuck, I can't remember what I was talking about. What was I talking about?

Professional. You're talking about getting high and worrying about having athletes for it. Okay, so like, I get health anxiety. It was really bad. But if I smoke weed, it gets worse. It's like the only thing that I'll fucking worry about. But then now I've gone so full. circle, like, I thought I had OCD for a bit.

And I literally, my brain would have these intrusive thoughts where they'd be like, oh, if you don't do this, like your whole family's going to die. Like, classic OCD shit. Sure. And I got so annoyed with it. They was like, fuck, piss. I want my family to die. And then I did it.

And it was like a light switch, twitch. I'm talking about like when I was like fucking, probably 17 or something. Yeah. And I was like, oh, fuck it. Everyone can die. I don't give a shit. And I did it. And no one died.

And I'm cured. And it never came back. That's amazing. But like with weed, my brain, I'm two in my own fucking head. Sure. And I fucking hate it. Yeah. Mushrooms, though.

Yeah? Love them. Do you like acid too? I had one really bad acid time. I had so many good acid times and I had one really bad one. Brought on by weed. Yeah. Where I did some acid and then I smoked an eighth on the bong to myself.

Yeah. and that was it that's like major league shit dude it was fucking and it just went it went wrong immediately it was like um

you know the fucking matrix you know the bit when he's getting grilled by the fucking by the agents for the first time and they take his mouth away yeah that was it and it was like that literally happened to you yeah and I was like

look and honestly because it must have been like triggered by the movie because the grading of my life was that green of that scene the same fucking like skin tones all green everything all green no mouth i'm looking in the mirror apparently i was good because i was fucked up like i was biting my fingers to make sure i still had a mouth it was fucking not good so i've never done it since yeah i know lots of people who have had like very transformative like spiritual experiences like

taking LSD and mushrooms and shit, but like, and I'm very envious of that because for me, I've never had that. I've always just loved the sensation of like being fucked up. Yeah. And that's like been, it's very shallow to say, but like that's been priority number one for me as far as any drug goes. Like I've never entered a drug experience looking for like a transcendental experience. I'm always just like, I want to just giggle for two to eight hours.

That's what I want to feel. And my girlfriend is the exact opposite. She will only take mushrooms or LSD or whatever when she's like trying to like tap in with herself a little bit. And like a perfect example of this was last year. It was like last summer or something. We were both gifted like an eighth of mushrooms or something and we split it. And she's like, we're lying in our bedroom and she's looking at our curtains, which

are kind of like mustard yellow. And she's like literally crying. You see things they're so beautiful. Like the way the sunlight is hitting them. She was like, oh my God, there's something. much beauty in the world. This is incredible. I mean, while I'm looking at my phone and I'm crying because I'm reading a tweet where this guy said, if my dick was a gun, I would blow my brains out. Like, she looks over me. She's so fucking funny. She's like, are you seeing this

shit too? And I'm like, yeah, oh my God, this is so funny. My phone is the first thing that gets me on mushrooms because I'm like, oh, this isn't really kicking in yet. And the words are like floating off the screen. Suddenly it's like, Mikey, our merch guy is always like, is your phone 8K yet? Because apparently I'm like,

bro, my phone is like 8K. And every time I forget and I'm like, did everyone else get like a software update? It's just so clear. Is everyone else's phone 3D now? It's like fucking the most insane shit. But back on what you're saying,

like mushrooms is the only one where I'll catch myself having some sort of anxious thought and then the fucking mushroom teacher actually is just like this is why you're doing this and this is why it's happening and stop thinking about that and then it just goes away but like if you ever done DMT

never this is fucking I'm a real podcaster everyone on the podcast is like we've heard you fucking DMD sorry but you haven't and that's why we're here so like you're saying everyone does the end oh I saw God I saw fucking I had the most I went back to childhood.

I saw all, like, the traumatic experiences. No. What happened? Some guy in Detroit gave us a cartridge with DMT in it. Seems responsible.

And it was like, you know, the cartridge is where you have to hit, you know, the ones where you change the temperature. Yeah. So you needed one of those. So, like,

you get it on the highest temperature. You take three massive hits or whatever. Yeah. Fucking world rips back. Like everyone says, like fucking tall album, work. Yeah.

But then as I start, because obviously it's so fucking far. Everyone says it's like 15 minutes. It was like five. Yeah. But I mean, Simpson's hit and run N64 graphics. And they're fucking, in a bandwagon, the two couches that face each other, the one in front of me is now the Simpsons couch. And my friends are, sounds like my dream.

Oh, Simpsons N64 rendered Simpsons characters. And I'm just fucking maniacally laughing, screaming. it's like LSD and Crack had a baby and like our straight edge guitarist Tom is like in the fucking corner like what is fucking happening here before it this band had gifted me like a flick knife that's a great thing they have when you're tripping at DMT

so before it like Tom's first like experience of us knowing what we were about to do I was like Tom can give me a favor because I'm about to take the most potent hallucinogen on the planet Take my knife. Hide the knife and don't let me know where it is because I don't know what's about to happen. And he's like, what's happening here?

He's like, I listened to minor threat once 15 years ago and now I'm hiding knives from people who are dripping on DMT. Would recommend, though. I would love to do it. I've heard great things. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, I would love to try DMT at some point. But I don't know. I just, it's a little scary.

If you can do an edible, you can do DMT. I would do DMT 100 times in a row than take an edible. But you know what? I did say that I like the scaryness of being high like 10 minutes ago. Yeah. So I have no excuse not to try it. Yeah, definitely. I think like it was snowing when we did it and it was just fucking crazy.

Do you like to wearing on a bandwagon? Is it sick? I love it. I want to do it so bad. We only started doing it last year. it's the best fucking thing on planet earth yeah it's like you're with your friends it's like a fucking vacation that's how i felt yesterday getting off that like every tour of ever done from you know undeth and every other band i've ever been and it has been like you know van exclusively

van and like the bands i was in before undeth it was no trailer like load all the shit into the back of the van uh everybody takes from surviving that kind of thing and then when we're we started doing on death, like, you know, we bring along a TM slash merch guy. We bring along a sound guy now too. Like all that shit plus having the trailer, like that made me feel for a very long time like a fucking king. So I was like, this is amazing. Even though you're living in a van, you're sleeping on trash every night.

I'm like, we have dedicated people to do this stuff now. Like that's amazing. And then today, like yesterday, getting in the van, getting the sprinter sleeper, having like a driver and shit, I'm like, oh, this is so much about. Oh, you're in a sprint of sleeper? Well, it's not a sleeper. It's got one bunk. Oh, right.

But there's space for people to lie down and stuff. Yeah, that's, once you, the problem is, and I'm a fucking, I like, how old are you? I'm 28. Well, I'm 35, so I've probably, how long have you been touring? First tour I ever did was, I was probably 19, 18, something like that. So I started touring 16, 17, same, same sort of age. Yeah. Once you get to the bandwagon bus,

you cannot go back. It just kills something in you. Like, the van life is like, disgusting. Would you do it again? Like, touring a van?

I was going to quit straight from the path because we were going to do a tour in a van. Like, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's getting old or it's post-pandemic. where I had two years of like fucking sitting on the couch and being really, really comfortable and someone was like,

you want to sit upright for upwards of eight, 10 hours a day, driving. Just like experience natural light for like an hour. So, yeah, I'd still do it, but like the U.S. getting rid of the

green vans getting rid of the ones with the benches. That's the minute where we are banned collectively. Because you can sleep on those old green van. If anyone doesn't know, there was, what, they're 11-seater, whatever, 11-seater vans in the states that you could rent. But they were benches. They didn't have, like, armrests. So,

if you had enough, you know, a small enough crew, you could all have a bench and you could sleep. Right. But they got rid of that, and now they're, like, Sprinter Euro style, and you can't fucking sleep in them. So that's when I was collectively were just like, well, let's just make less money and just

touring a bandwagon. And you know what? It was so much fun. smoke DMT. Play with knives. Play with knives. D.M.T. It's fucking genius. We should probably talk about your ban with them 26 minutes

on drugs and games. Fuck that. But this is, but this is, this is perfect to me. Let's talk about Undef. What do you got to say? We're going to go,

okay, so you, Pamela. It's interesting to me that Undef is from upstate New York. Is the Rochester account as Upstate New York? Yeah, I mean, so it's like,

people from upstate get so granular about where an upstate they're from. So like technically yes, it is upstate. But if you ask somebody from Rochester or Buffalo where they're from, they're going to say Western New York. And then to them, upstate is like Albany, more like capital region type stuff. Where's Poughkeepsie? That's like basically the city to people from actual upstate New York. Because Poughkeepsie, you can still access on metro north that's like Hudson valley area that's like that's not upstate upstate is like anything that's not accessible by a train that takes you directly to the city like in 30 minutes technically I would call that upstate but Rochester that's way up there that's like pretty much besides going all the

way up north like as far as you can get from the city and still be in New York would be like Rochester and Buffalo okay so I think it's interesting I'm going to say for the sake of people listening because when I started coming to America like fucking almost 10 years ago now I thought New York was New York City and I was like wait there's a whole state of shit people from New York City still think that true but I think it's super interesting

that undef is from quote unquote upstate New York and it sounds quite a lot like upstate New York death metal Cannibal Corp suffocation Yeah. You ever thought about moving to Florida?

Yeah. Actually. Yeah, I mean, I've toyed with moving to a hundred different places. Like, I was going to move to Denver at one point. I mean, for the death metal. Did you guys, yeah, did you guys ever think to do the cannibal corpse thing? We've joked about it a thousand times. Like, we pretty much like whenever we're getting into, like, the first actual steps of, like,

writing for a new album, we always joke that this is going to be the one that we're going to go recorded at Moriss Sound. You're going to fucking do it. There's no way you're not going to do it. I would live in Florida. That's so funny, even for the bit. Yeah. Like, do, is Morissau still going?

I don't know. I don't think so. I don't make Scott Burns has produced a record in a long time. Someone owns the console. I know that much. You could definitely get the old Morris Sound console. I mean, there is,

there are a few things in this life that I love more than committing to a bit. And that is full commitment. So, like, if Undetheth moved to Florida just for like the laughs, I would a thousand percent do that. Yeah, just for like, even just six weeks to do the record. But then like you do a whole bit out of it. You're just like fucking dress like a bit chrie. I mean, we're already kind of posers.

Like I don't want to just put my band on blast right now. But like, I'm the only one that lived in Rochester for a very extended period of time. Like Kyle, Matt and Jared lived there. but I mean, Jared's from Utica, Matt's from Virginia, Kyle's from Syracuse. They've all lived in Rochester for a while now, but I think I'm the only one in our band

that has like, you know, I went to high school in Rochester. Like I lived there. My parents' house is there. So we claim Rochester, but one out of five of us are actually like, spent any time, though, isn't it?

I mean, yeah, you guys claim Long Island. At this point, yeah. At this point, stray is a Long Island fucking, I guess, hardcore band, but we don't sound like a hardcore band. And one member lives on Long Island.

Which is it? Is it Tom? True. It's true. So at least we got that. But Tom lives in Nashville. Neck lives in New Jersey. I live in Scotland in the United Kingdom and sound like this.

Yeah, and then Drew's in Long Island. Yeah. I mean, it still does piss me off when people are like, oh yeah, cannibal corpse from Florida. I'm like, no. No. And you can, you can hear the difference with,

with, with those two bands in particular. And just like, yeah, it's just a little, it was a little bit more, other than like death, a little bit more like technical at the time.

Yeah, like all those, like seminal New York death metal bands like cannibal and suffocation, internal bleeding, morphesis sounds like, et cetera, et cetera.

They all have like a distinct through line that goes through all of their sounds. and like when you listen to an internal bleeding record and then you turn around and you listen to I don't know like monstrosity or some shit that's like you know 100% died in the wool Florida death metal they don't sound anything alike yeah it's weird it's like it's just like

it's almost like a clinic New York death metal sounds more clinical and right and this is gonna sound like a woo woo bit that I'm doing but hopefully you agree New York death metal sounds more clinical even like the 90s fucking stuff was like metronomically tight

like the first fucking suffocation records like 91 and 93 but they were still so fucking tight yeah so like clinical gray buildings skyscrapers and then Florida

that was like swampy it feels like metal that was made by dudes who have like regular access to the beach yeah exactly and like Cannibal Corp's like the records that they wrote recorded or that they wrote in Buffalo, like the first three or four,

sound like records that you would make if you were living in Buffalo, New York. Like they sound like records that you would make if you looked outside and you saw like six feet of snow every day and it's gray and you haven't seen the sun in eight months. Like they sound like that kind of music. But when you listen to, I don't know, like extreme bloody gore or something, like a classic Florida death metal record, it sounds like it's all about very macabre and morbid stuff, but you could tell that the people who are making it still have like some semblance of hope in their lives.

Like, I've finished writing this song now about sacrifice on the altar. You want to go surf? There was still like the promise of a better tomorrow. But like when you're living in Buffalo, it's like Western New York, it's like this is it. Like there's really nothing to do but like start a death metal band. While we're on the Cannibal Corpse thing, while we're on the Buffalo versus Florida cannibal Corpse. Without any kind of messing with future touring plans.

are you Chris or are you corpse grinder? I'm chorus grinder a thousand percent. Yeah, same. I just like, I've maintained that opinion even when it was very uncool to have that opinion back in the day. I can't tell you how many times I've had people tell me like, no, the first four Cannibal records are the only ones that matter.

And don't get me wrong. Like, this is not even me trying to be diplomatic. Like, I love those albums. Like the bleeding tomb, all that shit. Like that's some of my favorite music ever.

But like kill, evisceration play. of suicide vile those are like to me like kill a none so vile the cryptopsy record are like the two best death metal albums ever made that's like the I mean the old and the

New Testament for me pretty much like and chorus grinder he's the best who's ever done it he just has the most like distinctive death metal voice ever he's maintained like the same degree of power and sustained since he was like a kid

you know even like the monstrosity records he's on like he sounds amazing yeah like he's just he's the best like he's the iconic emblematic death metal front man and like i i'm nothing like him like i like when i get on stage like i can't stop smiling like i'm just having a good time in course my just like a very threatening like uh on stage not when he's at target yeah that that's the shit he's my thing with like people are always like because i love death metal yeah love old death metal love new death metal uh i New York fucking stray

I just said New York for the band Stray is like you know quote unquote a hardcore band but it's like we don't sound like a hardcore band

we get lumped into the metal core because I guess we have fucking metaly bits but like I vehemently hate metalcore right other than other than like maybe

fucking five bands who are like the pillars who essentially started it and are continuing to evolve it. Well, now, now I'm curious. I mean, like, what, like,

metalcore bands give you, you give a pass to? Oh, like, fucking almost all of them. Literally almost all of them. Like, I like, I like, I like architects. I like, I like fucking bring me in horizon. I like the bands that were, like, doing it, and then they

changed, like, they did a fucking radio head, and they changed a bit, and I end up liking the newer stuff. Yeah. But, the real reason I don't like metalcore, because people ask me, like, well, how come like, I like death core. How come you like death core? How come you like fucking death metal?

But you don't like metal core. And it, to tie us back, I'm going to tie us back to corpse grinder. Because metal core lyrically and stylistically takes itself so fucking seriously while what you're doing is like screaming into a microphone and it's like about fucking relationships

and about like shit like that. And it's not silly. Yeah. But death metal, is fucking dumb. Yeah. And what you're doing is dumb. You're on stage,

just fucking screaming. Yeah. And that's what I like about it. And it's the, it's impossible to be sincere in death metal, really, because you are like, the corpses.

Like, fuck me up. But like metalcore, it's not even the, like, as I like bands were singing, it's not even the singing. It's the fucking,

this song is about, like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it happened to you, but this song is about this moment in my life. It's like, it's so dumb. That's an interesting point that you make about, like, it being impossible to be sincere, because I feel like I try to ride that line all the time, like every time that we play, because, I mean, we, since the moment that, like, Undeast started doing interviews and shit like that, one of the things that just comes up over and over and over again is people ask me, they ask us, like, you guys just seem like you're having so much fun on,

stage. Like you guys seem like a fun band like all that stuff like fun. It's just like the operative word that comes up over and over again. And like I struggled with that for a little bit because it kind of felt like they were like making fun of us a little bit. They were like, oh, you guys just like this seems like a big joke to you. Like we're glad you're having fun, you know, but then I realized like I watched more footage of us. I watched like our sets and shit on YouTube and it's like we just can't help ourselves. Like we're just, we're truly being sincere. You know, I can't get and I admire people that can get on stage and put on a persona and actually try to convince the audience that they are like a serial killer or whatever.

Like I think that's a very unique skill set and I admire people who have the capacity to do that. I don't have that. Yeah. Like I can, the only thing that I can do and that I can do confidently is be myself. And when I get on stage and I try to do anything else, it just comes off as performative. But I feel like when I'm on stage and I'm just like smiling and laughing and like, telling people to jump off the stage and shit and like just treating the whole thing like a big party or a circus or whatever like that's what resonates the most.

And like anytime I've tried to do something else I've looked at it and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, that's what I like about fucking corpse grinder because he's like, obviously on stage he's doing his fucking Cannibal Corpse thing. But his fucking Instagram and shit like that is just hilarious. This is a fucking silly dude. So when he writes silly fucking lyrics and I'm like, okay, I can get on board with this. I mean, bro, like the first song on our, on the most recent on death album, I'm literally spelling in it.

The fucking, oh, I was about to hit you with a lyric. I mean, it's like, T, E, A, R. It's like, it's like, it's death metal hooked on phonics. It's so fucking sick. Like, I don't understand how you could listen to that and think that we're trying to be anything else than just, like, a band that you can have fun listening to. Is that theme for corpses? Yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking. Like, I love the record.

Thank you. I like, again, what it sounds like to me. me, sorry, we actually have to do some fucking form of press, if anyone's listening like, who is this a fucking man? Why am I going to check it out? What it sounds like to me, how I sold it to Josh from architects, actually, Josh, plays in Silosis as well.

Huge fucking, like, huge old-school death metal fan has like the fucking, the old cannibal corpse box sets on tape, like cassette tape, the one where it has like a fucking, that whole artwork and

shit. He's like big into it. And I told him the other day, I was like, if you checked out on death? And he was like, no, what's it like? And I sold it to him by saying, it's like the first few Cannibal Corts albums, but if Frank from Suffocation was doing the vocals. That was how I sold it to him in terms of, like, ways

I knew it would get him to listen to it. I know it's not strictly, but it's like, you got the fucking, you know, it drops out and the bass goes, like, that's fucking old cannibal. Carole Corps, but, like, more, I guess more, it's not even, more later, Frank from Suffocation style vocals. Yeah.

Am I, is that, do you take offense in there? No, I was going to say, like, comparing any death metal vocalist to Frank from Suffocation, it's like the highest compliment you can receive next to being compared to corpse grinder. So thank you for honoring me with that. It sounds like it, because the first few Carrible corpse albums, like, the only thing I don't like is the vocals. Yeah. I get it.

It was a moment in time. It was fucking Ace Ventura that made me then fucking check out there's metal. Right. But musically, it's there for me.

But it wasn't really until like vile that sort of era. I was like, oh, wait, it's all good now. Yeah. Yeah,

the way that I kind of think about our band is like, it's as if old cannibal corpse had access to necrophagist records. Yeah, nice. Because, like, that's the kind of shit that, I feel like that goes overlooked with us all the time.

It's like me and Kyle and Jared and Matt especially, like, we love that kind of like early tech death shit. Yeah, there's some time signatures on the latest record. I noticed them. It gets goofy. Like, we do some, like, truly, like, wanky shit on our albums. And it's like, we love the old school stuff. Let's, like, our bread and butter 100%. But we, like, I mean, Necrophage is, like, stab wound is, like, that's everything.

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But like, he was, Mohammed was a fucking, I mean, I might butcher this story, and I don't know if the story's out, but I don't know if the story's out, but I don't know. he was like, he had to lie to his parents that he was on that tour. For real? He was an engineer at like Mercedes-Benz.

And they didn't want him having anything to do with a death metal or anything like that. And he said he was on a business trip and he was touring the UK being fucking necrophagist. And man, it was the craziest thing. Again, I've talked about this a lot on the podcast before. But it was, you know, Hans Grossman on drums, fucking Mohammed. The bass is, I can't remember his fucking name, but he's in. incredible. If I saw him.

The name that just popped in my head is Stefan Lassard, who's the basis of Dave Matthews fan. I don't think that's it. Let's go in. But like, he, like, they flew in, much like what you did today. And the drummer didn't have his pedals. And you know what fucking necrophage stuff is like? Yeah.

And he borrowed my fucking janky-ass fucking pedals and then just ripped this set. And I was like, it was that moment where in my head I was like, okay, Like, at that time, I was like a proper gear head. I was like, when I upgrade my pedals, I'll get really good. And at that moment, I was like, oh, no, it's just his feet. But they were so fucking good. Same fucking time, they did that tour with us, tiny little tour. I think I was just teching on that tour.

I don't think I was in. It was a band that I later joined. But on that same run, they went and they did it. It was like fucking origin, necrophagist, someone else. It was just fucking amazing. Yeah, like, Aetaph is, that's one of my favorites.

And that was like a very early bonding record for undeth was Avetaf. And it was like that record in the Cannibal song Five Nails Through the Meck. That was like, it was like, we want to do a band that sounds like this, you know? And it's always like trying to, the tricky thing is just trying to find that,

that delicate balance between like the stompy New York death metal, like old school shit and then adding like the proggy, like, tech death kind of like flare to it. feel like that's kind of where the undepth, the undepth sound like crystallizes somewhere in between those two worlds. Yeah. I think that's why when I heard it, I was like, I mean, because there is a big fucking death metal revival happening like old school death metal. I love it. But undeph's probably the one for me, which is like, oh, I fucking get, I get this. It's the same thing happened when, and it was a lot of bands that came out of it that I liked.

but like in the i guess mid 2010s early 2010s when this is going to bring me to a question i actually had but when hardcore kids found out about the hm2 pedal and then there was a million bands that sounded like entombed and some of them were really really fucking sick sure but there was a lot that was just like oh we just put this pedal on and it just fucking makes us entombed it was like oh no not really did you fuck with a like trap them yeah trap then like black breath like shit like

that, where the fucking black breath go? Unfortunately, I think somebody in the band died and then, but it was already kind of like after they had broken up or like kind of stopped being a band but I think that was kind of like the thing that solidified that they weren't getting back together.

Right. But I could be completely wrong about that. It's fine. It's fact now. They, like there was that whole thing and I loved it but a lot of it missed me and a lot of of it, in my opinion at the time

was like like people were they wanted to listen to in tomb but they didn't really they wanted to wear an in tomb shirt but they didn't really like in tomb and I'm not being a fucking gatekeeper there

I just mean you could understand you could tell from listening to it it was like well you don't really you know you've just put the pedal on and done a fucking song whereas with you guys with the death metal thing that's happening at the moment

there's a couple of bands where I listen to it and I'm like in fact not even the ones that are coming up right now that are blowing up now are you guys saying and squisca bog are like fucking blood incantation

I get it the ones that were maybe like two or three years ago with a morbid angel logo and just like the most sludgy production ever was just like you've got the aesthetic

but musically I can tell that you've done don't actually fuck with that stuff. Yeah, the thing that has been difficult for me, like, I don't know, when it comes to metal, I tend to operate in extremes, which is a very funny word to use here, but like I like metal that's either extremely fast or extremely slow. Nice. So it's like, when I think about the death metal that I like, the stuff that I listen to all the time, it's like the really fast, really technical ship, I don't really go for, like, plot. mid-paced stuff that's just kind of like breakdown after breakdown after breakdown like

i completely see and understand the appeal of it but like i i i like bands that play riffs fast that's the big thing for me like i was big into like scream-o and grindcore and shit growing up so like i don't even care if it's sloppy like i just want pants to go fast like my my little like pee brain that's just what i need i feel like net crevages was the one when they came out it was just yeah just leagues above everything else sure i mean fucking like stab wound into what's the next song on epitaph? Diminished to B?

I think it's diminished to B. Like that transition just from like the blistering speed of stab wound and how crazy it is to like just that Dern air and a her and a bird. Oh, I'm gonna fucking listen to that record later today. I'm gonna listen to it on the walk back to the house.

I haven't listened. I haven't thought about an XVos in a fucking hot minute. It's one of the biggest fuck. I would I would have put it, I'm a massive tall fan, but I would have put it like above tool in terms of like i would have loved the new album i'm i'm the tool apologist in our band oh sick yeah welcome is it sick welcome i feel like i feel like we're kind of like a subspecies at

this point i i got to show you this then i had um so i was very lucky lucky enough to do um late night with set mires recently in the states very cool and uh they had they all knew i was a huge tall fan and this week Danny Carey did it and the MD sent me that photo. Which is if anyone's not watching the YouTube, it's Danny Carey holding like a really

smoldering photo of me that Lloyd Bishop, the photographer was like just put your hand there. I was like, I would never do this from your life. It's like it's going to look sick. Looks great. It looks like a fucking model. But it's Danny Carey just holding a photo of me. That's like life box ticked.

That's amazing. Okay. So this is going to bring me to my question that I had. I haven't even looked at my notes. I'm having a great time. Are you? Yeah. Cool. Can I get you anything?

We're good? I'm all sad, dude. I haven't even looked at my notes and my questions are just fresh in my head because I actually care. People listening to the podcast be like, oh, this is what it sounds like when he cares about the care. Interesting. So what's the, everyone, the background of the band, is it in hardcore?

Is it always been metal? Members wise. I think the closest thing. that on death has to like hardcore kids would be me and our bass player Tommy but even that it's a stretch like I grew up going to hardcore shows but I also went to like just as many metal shows I like have tons of friends in like the Rochester Buffalo Syracuse hardcore scene but like I was never in hardcore bands I always just kind of like liked the music Tommy he like booked bands you know and he was in kind of like hardcore adjacent

bands, but that's about as far as it goes with us with the hardcore association. Like Kyle is a dyed in the world metal guy. Yeah. Like, I mean, you'd have to be. You look at him. Yeah, and to put it off. Like, when you see him, like, you'll understand. Like, this is a metal guy through and through.

And Jared is kind of like, he comes from more of like the indie rock world, I think. But he also still is like metal first. That's like his extreme music genre of choice. And that's the same way too. So it's funny when we. get when like metal when older like metal purists kind of give us the like oh they're just hardcore kids playing death metal like dismissal that's what i'm trying to put my finger on because it's like that's just factually incorrect yeah that's what i'm trying to put my finger on because it's like

and what it is to like to circle back to what we were just talking about is like hardcore kids adopted in the 2010s they adopted the fucking in tomb thing and it seems to be that they're adopting the death metal thing now which is cool. I like it because I fucking love hardcore and I love death metal. But because you guys because you guys actually are metal, I think that's why I resonate with the music much more because I'm like, oh, that's, that's like I get it. It's not just, it's not a cosplay. Sure. I'm not saying that everyone's fucking cosplaying and it's cool. But I remember saying back in the day like 10 years ago, I think I have the tweet because I'm like, I'm just waiting for it.

I'm like in the in the short, what's the near future, sorry. Not so distant future. Professional broadcaster. In the not so distant future, the next hardcore bands

are going to sound like Nile, right? And I'm pretty fucking close. You are. It still hasn't come yet. The Nile one hasn't come. Yeah, but you know what? It's like, and this is no dis, but it's just the way that I kind of view things.

Like, you can tell when you listen to a death metal, like a new band that's marketing themselves as a death metal band. You can tell in the first 20 seconds of the song if they are all like 100% hardcore kids. Yeah. Because like there's great things about the hardcore ethos that you

can bring into making metal, just like the DIY aspect of it, like the networking aspect of it. It sounds like such a cold clinical way to talk about hardcore, but like it teaches you a lot of like really good people skills. Like growing up in those scenes. But like musically if I listen to a band that's like

oh, we're a new death metal band. And the first, it's like feedback and then it goes right into a breakdown. Yeah. I'm like, I see where your priorities are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's about, you want to get to the jump the fuck up part,

like as fast as possible. Yeah. And that's fine. But it's like, you can also tell when people are just like metal guys and metal people 100% through and through. Yeah. And sometimes, like for me,

because I love, it's the same way. I like, I fucking love death call. And everyone's like, why the fuck you like, and I'm like, it's fucking sick breakdowns. It's really fucking fast.

everyone's fucking doing crazy lyrics but like I don't mind it but with with the the death metal hardcore revival thing that's happening now but because I like it when a death metal song has a breakdown

like I like deathcore or whatever but yeah when it's it's really easy to spot the like insincere one so they're just gone well here's a spiky logo and then here's the ride of the lightning riff but then we'll do a blast beat after it I'm still in, but I know what you're talking about.

Let's talk about your band more. We can do it a little bit. We don't mean, look, we're actually fucking... Damn. Yeah, we barely have to talk about your band. Let's speed run it, dude. At this point, at this point, no one cares. At this point, you're in.

You've got new fans. I got nothing to do today besides play a show in, I don't know, nine hours. Can I come to the show? Yes. You're on the list. Fuck, yeah. He's on the list. I have a plus one.

Yeah. Thank you. He's got a plus one too. Fuck yeah. Big dick shit. I've never been to the venue. Me either. We established that within fucking ten minutes.

But it's right in the city zone. I'm having a great time, dude. I'll stay here all day. We can do a 10-hour podcast. Fuck yeah, let's go. Right. So what I wanted to get onto is, hardcore kids,

exclamation mark I got roasted somebody read my notes from that camera on a different podcast and I'm like bro has two notes it was like yeah because I had enough in my fucking head silliness question mark

done that one love it love love being silly okay so that's what I wanted to get on to how what like and this is going to sound super pressy and I fucking hate it but I want to know rather than me being fucking Billy's blog so when you were writing to

do do do do uh wait how do like where do you get your influences from for the lyrics i don't write the lyrics that's the craziest part at that i was going to ask that question first and then i just assumed i do i do almost nothing in our band besides like sing kyle's words with fucking dream it's amazing oh so kiles the fucking he's the primary lyricist we have a song on the new album that is kind of like 80% Tommy it's like Tommy's song we always call it a pratz This is the song Bone Rop. And he and I, like, collaborated on lyrics for that one. He had most of them ready and we just kind of tweaked it together.

But yeah, Kyle is the mastermind behind most everything musically that we've put out so far. And I love it. Like people kind of, when I tell them that I don't write any of the lyrics, sometimes they're, they ask me if I wish that I did. And no. This is the thing. I'm going to look at this camera for this. almost every band that you like with a charismatic vocalist

someone else is writing their lyrics I mean uh camel corpse honestly I can't think of like stray we we write collectively and there will be you know there will be entire songs that Drew didn't write on there'll be entire I wrote fucking entire

songs like we do it collectively um like arch is was tom and now is all down like it doesn't fucking matter i you know in all the bands that i was in before on death like i took in all the bands that i sang in like i took such pains to write what i thought were like good lyrics you know and it was exhausting and i tried to make everything as like deep and meaningful and sincere as possible like i was in a band right before on death called Drus.

And that was like, you know, screamo very like hard on sleeve type shit. And I was really trying to like go all out and put like all of myself into these lyrics. And when that band broke up, I kind of had like a conversation with myself. And I was like, I never want to do that again. Because there's just something so taxing about it. And I just like getting up on stage and like screaming very like intensely personal things to a room full of strangers, you think it might be sick. But when you do it like dozens

and dozens and dozens and times in the row, maybe most people don't have this experience. But for me, it was like, why am I doing this? Like, why am I giving so much of myself to these people that, like, literally have no stake in my life whatsoever? Besides, like, that they're at a show that I'm playing that they don't really want to be at because they're here to see another band. So, like, when on that started and, you know, they asked me to join the band. And I wanted to, like, seem professional. I wanted to seem prepared. So they sent me the instrumental tracks for what eventually was going to be our first demo. And I came with lyrics. I spent like a day or two before the first practice with them kind of like jodding down ideas and like lyrical structures and stuff like

that. And I was really nervous about it because I had never really written like metal lyrics before. So I was trying to be like gory and gross while also maintaining like the more kind of like, I hesitate to say spiritual, but the more like personal side of like my last. band's lyrics and I brought them to the practice and I was so like coy about it I was like well here's my lyrics guys and Kyle was like oh I already have everything that's that's the dream and it was like this way just got into and I was like oh I don't have to worry about the shit anymore like my lyrical contributions to undeth to this day are like I add swear words nice like we there's songs where Kyle's like okay so the lyrics are like blah blah blah I'm crushing the skull and I'm like

what if it was crushing the fucking skull and the answer is yes he's like he's like he's like like, oh, that would be sick. Like on this new song that we're playing tonight, it's called Brandish the Blade. And there's like a new song, not on a record, not released. Not released. It's going to be on our next album. But there's like a lime right before what is like literally a breakdown. It's like the closest thing that on death has had to like a full on just breakdown,

which is hilarious. But it's like, now I am brandishing the blade. And I was like, dude, it's got to be brandishing the fucking blade. You're so right as well, because that'll be the biggest part of the set. It's so insane. You put a swear word before a heavy section, it awakens something. It's like chocolate and peanut butter. It fucking is.

It literally is. And like when the instruments drop out and the frontman says a bad word, it's like, dude, it's like cracks. Yeah, literally it's like crack and assing. What was it going to say? Just while we're, I mean, debatable band. the babel politics and I believe you, you know, it came out with some insane ideas. Do you know the pestilence album that starts?

Fuck, what? It's something macabre. It literally starts. Ugh. Oh. It's a counting with just grouts. It's fucking incredible. And I'm just, I don't, yeah, I'm posing hard right now.

I mean, the pestilence shit that I'm from. familiar with is like testimony of the ancients Yeah like the old shit Yeah like spheres This was the first record back By maybe why you didn't check it out Because I'm like that

I'm just like I'm not fucking Are you coming back? Listen to a resurrection macab Like the guy is fucking I can't remember what he said recently But it was like Like some ebonic shit Like really not great shit

Don't quote me on that But I'm pretty sure But for an intro I'm gonna put it here so we can fucking listen to this. Start of the record. That's the hardest shit I've ever heard my whole life.

It's so fucking sick. That reminds me of a that discourse record, a cranial impalement. Oh, yeah. It literally just starts with like isolated gurgling vocals for 11 seconds and nothing else.

And then there's like a really fast count it. Did you ever think of, because like, okay, again, fuck me, I'm nailing this. Where did you record?

It's time. We record. I must say it's time. at the beginning every time. I love it. We recorded it in Philly with this dude, Scoops, the name is Scoops. Scoops, Dardaris.

He's the fucking man. He works at a studio. Well, at the time, he was recording out of a studio called the Headroom in Philly, which I believe doesn't really have much of like a metal connection. It's owned, I want to say,

by the guitarist and that band Hop Along. If you're familiar with that band, it's like Saddle Creek Records, like indie type shit and so there's like it's not a metal studio and scoops isn't like a metal producer which is kind of like why we wanted to do it there because it would just give it like a different sound and yeah it was cool ironically would be the sound of the old metal albums because it kind of like accidentally arrived there which is the funniest thing like we were I don't want to say like we were actively trying to do anything different but we had all these ideas that

retroactively it looked at them and I was like oh this is just the way that people did shit 30 years ago. Yeah. They're trying to get the best possible sound because they couldn't just stick samples on. Exactly. And then it accidentally, yeah. So we rolled up and we were like, we're going to record all the guitars live together like in the control room. Or not in the control room, like, in the live room. Like Jared and Kyle are going to sit across from each other. And like, that's how we're going to record guitars. And I was like, no one's ever done this before. Oh my God. It's so unique. And then I went back and I listened to like Pierce and Within and I was like, oh, this is just how they did it. Oh, that's fucking cool. So, it's, which is getting me on to the fucking, ah, fuck, now I've fucked it. I've lost it. I've lost where my train of thought was. I'm going to have to look at my notes. I try and do this without the notes.

I hate it. I hate doing this. We're stalling. No, it's fine. I'm going to stop for time right now. I'm going to look at the camera. No, yeah, just stare at that fucking camera out. Fuck, what the fuck we're talking about?

I've ruined it. The podcast is over. What did you have on your notes? The thing that started this conversation, but not the end of this conversation about the fucking the sound the sound of the fucking record where were we before there

because I had an incredible turnaround about to happen I don't remember it doesn't fucking matter as you're listening I'm really sorry I live in the space of like the last 10 minutes

me too it might come back to me and then I'll scream and then oh wait we were on we're talking about pestilence we're on a vocal thing discord

boom! did you ever think about or did the band ever think about, I'm glad you didn't do it, doing the fucking discourse snare sound or like the fucking horrible, blom blum, boom, boom, boom, boom. No, like the pingy snare? Yeah. No, fuck no.

I made it back to what I was thinking of. Yes. I'm so proud of you. Thank you so much. No, and we never will. You know, it's like... I'm so glad. And I like plenty of bands who have that snare sound,

and I think it works for them. It doesn't work for us. And actually, like, We're trying to move further in the other direction. Like, we've been listening to so much, like, South of Heaven and Rain and Blood recently. Yeah. Like, Lombardo has such, like, a thick, like, thick.

Big, big, big, big. Thick, vainy snare sound. Yeah. And, like, we're trying to get there. Like, we want the snare to sound huge and, like, in thick. But again, what I like about the undeth production, which is why, yes, I got back here, which is why I asked about the studio,

is that again, with the, I'm going to call them this and I don't mean it and there's no particular bands I'm thinking of in general, the posery death metal bands who are trying to do the old school town, they've just slapped so much reverb on the snare and gone, oh, that sounds like that presid. But it's not the sound, the drum isn't tuned like that. It's just like, oh, we'll just stick fucking reverb on the snare. We've got a spiky logo, let's go.

I had a, we've had people in our comments asking us, like, is the snare going to be pingier on the next record? Like, no way. No, yeah. And it's just because, like, that's what people want and, like, expect right now. People still want that in general. Are you ever going to tune your snare higher on the next trail record? And that just makes me do the opposite.

Again, the same thing. I'm like, well, actually, no. It's kind of like, we try not to be, like, contrarian about shit, but that is definitely one thing where, like, we've heard it enough time. So we're, like, we're going to give you the opposite. It's going to be. It's going to be. I'm in.

I'm fucking up for it. Okay, so I actually do need to speed up on this because the next sort of two sections is going to be long. Okay. Okay. The undeft logo is fucking unbelievable. Thank you. I love it so much. I want to know, like, whose idea it was, who drew it, and then we're going to have just a little, just it.

It sounds like it'll be a big bit, but I want to do a discussion on who has the best logos of all time. Sure. The logo was drawn by Matt, our drummer. Nice, keeping it DIY. He does all of our cover art, and he does... No fucking way. Yeah, he's like our in-house art guy, pretty much. He doesn't do like merch designs or anything like that, but...

Wait, wait, wait, he did the... The painting on the cover, yeah. And he did the cover for the last album, too. Yo, the fucking... Do you guys go through Overcast merch in the States? No, we do a downright. Is it downright? Yeah.

Those the shorts, the all overprint shit that you did, was so fucking sick. We, like, that, that shit is just hilarious to me. It's amazing. Like, I've never wear it, but I saw it. I mean, I'd wear the shorts, I reckon, but like. The hoodies? Yeah. All overprint hoodies.

I was like, is anybody going to buy these? I mean, I bet they fucking sold. We saw a couple of them, but it's just like, it's such a high ask for a merch item, I think. But, yeah, Matt, he does all of our art, like, all the art that's, like, on the inserts and shit of our over. It's like that's all him. He did our logo. The logo kind of went through a couple different stages. On our first demo, you can see that we're using a completely different logo.

It's kind of like a pyramid shape type thing. And then we... You could read it. I remember the logo. You could still kind of read it. And then I remember one day Matt just like messaged the group chat like really early on. And he was like, I think I'm going to revamp the logo. We were like, all right.

And he just sent that like three days later. We were like, yep. That's it. It's fucking. It's unbelievable. It's, well, what? What I like about it is like, this is a fucking, this is some merchandise of mine, right?

But it's like, it's super easy to make, like, the black metal style unreadable logo. Like, everyone's done it. Let's make it as, and even like blood incantation and stuff like that. It's kind of black metal style, unreadable. But yours is like, if someone, if the guy who designed the death logo

was like, I don't want to be able to read this. And just fucking drew insane shit. You can read it if you look. It's like the bane of screen printers everywhere. Is it tough? It's tough. And it was like... Holy Mountain Night Shift and downright were like the first people to actually like be able to print it, which is great.

But everybody else, like for the longest time when we were first like printing merch ourselves and shit, like we would send it to printers and they would invert the logo because it was the only way they could get it to like look decent. Yeah, because it's like black and, black and gray. Yeah, and there's like, like, depling and shit, like all over. Yeah. Oh, it's so fucking cool, though. It's so, it's just a block of fucking human remains. Let me see it. Let me look at her.

Yeah, it's fucking sick. It's so sick. It's so fucking sick. So, have you got, this is annoying, and I'm sorry that I didn't give you any like notice because we're about to do what a dream festival segment i don't know if you know that's a part of the end of the podcast most people's favorite part of the podcast i'll talk you through it as well i tend to not not tell people because it's funer to go through it yeah um and especially as a new band a band that is admittedly not been doing like bus tours and stuff it would be fun to see what your

outlook on what a dream festival would look like but i want to be in honor of the undefatheath logo being so fucking good top five death metal logos of all time oh man that's great yeah it's gonna be tough to like

stagger it between old bands and new bands um you don't have to order it you can just chuck a few new chuck a few old old the original camel corp's logo

is iconic i mean that's got to be on there just for like out of pure respect I had the best Hammer Smash Face shirt with the old logo and the fucking eye and that lost it. They've been reprinting a lot of like their classic designs

recently. Really? Yeah, they did like a white hammer smash face. That was the one I had. Yeah. They just did like a bunch more of them I think. Oh, sick. That logo's got to be on there. I think the Cryptopsy logo is amazing. And then new bands I think

there's a band from the Pacific Northwest. Like, I forget if they're Washington or Oregon, but they're a band called Triumvir Fowl. It's like blackened death metal type stuff with like a little bit of war metal influence. How do I spell this? T-R-I. Yeah. You M, I think.

V-I-R space foul. And their logo is fucking crazy. I'm going, I'm pulling it up. Oh, wow, that's fucking sick. think it's dope because it's got like a curve to it yeah but it's awesome i love metal so much me too it's the best it's so sick uh that i i like get so fucking pumped every time i see that logo anywhere um i'm gonna check that but see it's the kid in me i'm like i'm checking that band out because of the logo i'm fucking checking them out that's the thing too is people like they're like

oh i can't read that shit like but it's not about being able to read it it's about pattern recognition You know, it's just like you have to access a different hemisphere of your brain. And again, like, I think entry number four on this list is going to be blood incantation because I think their logo is amazing. It's fucking sick. And you can't read it for shit. Like you can maybe make out the B and the L and like maybe the N at the end. But like, it's just a jumbled mess. Yeah.

But when you see that logo enough times places and you associate it with blood incantation, like it doesn't matter if you can read it or not. Like it's just about seeing it and knowing that that's the band. Yeah. And I feel like people really grapple with that. Even like the art for hidden hands as well. Like the fucking alien. It's amazing. The fucking, what is it?

Interdimensional Extinction or Interplanetary Extension in the first EP. It's got like Saturn, but the rings are all skulls. And it's like the painted styles. Fucking amazing. Yeah. So their logos on there for sure. I think band fucking rules as well. Amazing.

And that tour that just announced yesterday, it's like obituary headlining, emulation, Blount incantation and Ingrown. It's like... Fuck, yeah. That dude, Taylor from, you know, he was in nails and God's hate, all those bands. He just said that tour was going to be like Battle of the Camo hats. Yeah. Cammo hat with an orange print.

We're selling those tonight. Are you actually? Yeah, we are. You have to as a death metal band. I feel like you're contractually obligated to. So, yeah, try and for foul blood incantation. They're on there for sure. Original Cannibal logo, Cryptopsy.

That's four. Number five. that's really tough um i mean i love the o g death logo that's got like the cobweb and the reaper skull on it yeah i think it's a cool ass logo um i i the first set of downbeat merch yeah was a rip of that it's class you know it's iconic but then i got wind that the manager was like someone made a skateboard with a similar rip and the manager like the manager like sued them. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, I'm going to stop doing this. And not only did I stop doing it, I gave, it was like, first runner shirts. I gave all that money

to two charities just in case someone came to me, then I can make a really public post and go, sorry, do you want? And it was, it was like,

fucking kids with cancer and kids that lived in a dump in Africa. And I gave money to both of those charities so that if something came up, I could go, oh, yeah, really publicly. I can get it back.

Do you want it back from the kids that live in a dump in Africa, or do you want it back from the kids with cancer? They probably have to come from their parents. The puppy's leukemia. And then I stopped it. Yeah, I would probably go OG death logo there. But also, I guess, like as an honorable mention, there's a band called Rude.

And I just think they have a sick logo. It's kind of like, it's just really, I'm going to use that word, thick again for some reason i'm fixated on thick right now nice i like it they just have a dope logo it's i mean i'm pretty sure it has an upside down cross in it which can't go wrong good upside down cross in a logo tasteful possessed yeah oh that's a great logo yeah i'm not even like better than the band yeah i would agree with that that that fucking happens that happens quite a lot I'm not a possessed head, but I'm a Primus head. I'm the primus apologist in my band.

What? I mean, they're the best. So sick. Dude, so many metal bands wish they could even sniff a song as fucking heavy as too many puppies. Too many puppies? No too many puppies. No blind. Yeah.

That's facts. That's a fucking fact. Oh, I'm so glad you're a Primus guy. I love, like, Primus, tool, like all the shit that, like, can get you laughs out of a room by, like, metal elitist people like that's that's my whole world like i love fucking like welcome to this world the riff in welcome to this world primus jump dumb dumb dumb it's fucking heavy fucking my name is mud yeah that's a terrifying song so sick terrifying video as well yeah fucking awesome yeah i'm so glad you're a primus guy um let me try and fucking answer ask one more question about your band uh no

Oh, we don't want to. The last thing I had was logos, and then we're going to do the, we're already late for the festival. We should have started the festival 17 minutes ago. We were talking about cool logos. Cool shit. Yeah. Let me try and think of one of a really cool logo that we haven't mentioned. I know, I'm like racking my brain.

I mean, bestial putrefaction, their logo is fucking crazy. I mean, that's fucking, I was, that's part of my, I fucking love it. I got a couple of good ones. I mean, I love black metal as well, so I get into the Leviathan logo. is up there. Zaster. Zaster as well. All the one men.

The one men bands. I think the OG Satir Khan logo is great. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, black metal, that's a whole different. Walls in the Throne Room. Amazing logo. Amazing fucking band. I had Aaron on the podcast before.

Not in person, but like... Yeah. And because I'd heard all the room as like, they lived in the fucking woods and all this shit. And then I asked him, and he was like, yeah, I live in a log cabin. but and I was like oh so it's true and he was like yeah and then we get talking for a while

and then we start talking about magic and I'm quite into big into like that kind of shit as well not as much as him apparently because whenever we're talking and he's like you know every morning after I do my I do my my ritual in the morning and my gratitude ritual

and you know I'll give an offering of salmon to Mother Earth and I'm sorry what and he was like you know I'll give an offering of salmon to Mother Earth mother cedar tree and i was like sorry can you explain that it's like it's so good to hear he will go and give a whole salmon to a particular cedar tree that's near this near where he lives where the studio is yeah it's an offering to the earth and i was like at that moment i was like i loved your band already but like knowing again the sincerity in the lyrics i even need you fucking meanness or you're being

wacky yeah death metal falls into wacky but black metal kind of feels into fucking meanness. Yeah. Whether it's racist or magicie, it depends. But yeah, I love that kind of shit, dude. Like that is, I don't want to tack on an extra hour to this podcast

because I could like talk about that shit forever. But like, yeah, I was very kind of adverse to that whole school of thinking for most of my life. And then my girlfriend actually like kind of keyed me into it a little bit. And so yeah, I would consider myself to be like a relatively like spiritually in tune person. which is tough to be as a death metal front man.

Yeah. Because you gotta be like the whiskey swilling, like party guy, but I'm like a pretty shy person. Are you a whiskey swilling party guy? I'm a whiskey swilling guy. I'm not really really a party guy. Like I get tuckered out. Like my night ends at 10.30.

Death metal vocalist gang tuck it out. Where are you tomorrow? Newcastle. That's a short drive. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to party tonight. Are you staying in? guys go yeah oh let's

fucking we're gonna get fucked up tonight for sure slow down well yeah I mean you want one of those fucking animals yeah I like being

snug as a bug bro like I like being cozy that's my life okay right we're gonna get to the next the next segment yeah because I can tell it's gonna be great

so we've got a thing I stole it from another podcast basically but not there's a podcast called Off Menu, right? It's a food-thoodie podcast, very, very popular in the UK. And they get someone on

and they talk about their dream restaurant and there's no holds bar, the only rule is that you are eating at the restaurant and they go through the courses or whatever. I actually had Ed from Off Menu on my podcast because he likes metal. Likes fucking, like,

favorite band is high on fire and it's like one of the biggest, he's on TV on food blog. and shit. Yeah. And his favorite man, he's like a stupid high on fire. Like,

he's an actual metal guy. Had him on the podcast. And I was like, well, what can I do that can sort of bring his world to my world? I was like, I'll just rip off his fucking idea.

Dream Festival. And it's stark and people seem to like it. And it's, it is thus. The plot is thus. It is your curated, Alex from Undeth, your curated Dream Festival.

I'm going to talk you through it in reverse order. The only rule, rule. There's no rules. People can come back to life. People can have never died in the first place. Holograms, locations. It's completely, it wants to be like, oh, I just woke up from the craziest dream. The only stipulation is that undef is playing. Oh, okay. So whether of that, that, you know, you could, you could say, I want my dream festival to be, you know, in a fucking, the center of the earth and everyone's melting and dying. It's like, no, you don't want that because you're going to be there.

So, where, the first question is, where would Alex from Rondeff's dream festival take place? Ooh, okay. It would be indoors, I think. An indoor fest? Yeah, because, well, shit, I mean, you said we can do anything. You can do anything. Okay. You want to start with the country?

You want to start with the location? I'm actually going to take back the only thing I've said so far. It won't be indoors. Okay. My festival is going to be in a field in upstate New York in the springtime when it's like on a rare beautiful day. Nice. Where it's, you know, 76, 74, light breeze. And the whole festival is going to perpetually take place at sunset.

Nice. See, now you, I love it. Sometimes it takes 20 minutes for someone to go to say something which is impossible. you've done it straight away which is great perpetual sunset so that's the best when you're at like an outdoor show and like the sun starts to go down and like you're watching a band you're like a little drunk or whatever you're like a little stoned and it's just like that i want to live in that moment i want to see nine bands in a row in that moment okay so it's my my job as the scientist here right is to tell me that's impossible no in order to facilitate your dream festival we need to think of a world where that'd be possible so there's some sort of cataclysmic event has happened, rendering upstate New York in a state of perpetual sunrise, sunset. Yeah, it's like a nuclear holocaust kind of thing has occurred, but like the nuke struck like Utica and...

So people have died to create this festival. Okay. Well, no great things can be achieved without sacrifice. Okay, good. But the nuke struck like particular places so that. that upstate it's just locked in this endless cycle of sunsets nice is there radiation yeah it's like a little a little a dusting of radiation some like uh yeah just that can you taste metal this band's great what's that okay so we're in upstate new york post post apocalypse post apocalypse

but we're chilling but everyone's back yeah it's not like there's no we're coming back there's no cordyceps activity. No, no corticeps, nothing like growing out of people's skulls. Like we're starting to like get our feet back under us, you know, like we're chilling. And it's a state of constant sunset, which is fantastic. You're allowed to remove yourself from the sort of the lines that you've drawn around the situation there if you want for the next question. What is your accommodation?

You don't have to go full nuclear bunker. You don't have to stay on that now. Like as a band, like, what do we get? No, what would you love in your dream festival? But then if you want to regale me with some sort, see how it's made for this conversation. If you want to regale me, you know, one time, you can, but you don't have to. Sure. Okay, number one, there has to be space for everybody to be able to sit down if they want to.

Is this a very recent, it's a very recent, fresh in the brain? Like, there has to be seating arrangements readily available for not only like the people attending the festival, but for the bands as well. I love to sit down and watch a show. It's the best. And it's not, it doesn't have to be like plush. Just we're talking like picnic tables. We're talking, you know, just regular chairs and stools. It's fine.

Just like a place to not be standing up briefly. But everything is arranged in such a way where it's like a big kind of like not exactly a panopt. but like a very large extended horseshoe where there's like kind of the stage and like it's like a band shell kind of environment plenty of room up front for like the pit activity and like you know the stage is low enough that you could dive if you want to but if you're sitting you still have a good vantage boy from wherever you're at to watch the bands but also in this fantasy yeah this is great this is what we want the environment is like accommodating and and like the vibes are good enough that you know sometimes when you're playing a show and everybody's sitting down you kind of feel like

you're playing to not be executed in a way yes it's like you feel like you're the entertainment for like a purge kind of situation it's like and if you fuck up like a trap door is going to open like it doesn't feel like that you feel like you're just part of like a very communal chill experience where people are like pitting and stage diving nice but where are you sleeping so then the backstage accommodations we're going to have like a harry potter kind of situation where like you enter a tent but it's actually like a two story room nice so there's going to be like very nice kind of like teepee looking lodging arrangements oh yeah all stretching in this big field behind that's like corded off behind the stage but then you go inside and it's like a loft

kind of situation there's like a little communal area in the bottom and then upstairs there's going to be like a big California king's size bed maybe two or three of them and that's that's what the bands get so that's leading me oh also you answered quite a lot of the next thing which is which is which is fine so backstage you've actually just explained what backstage is but like what what goodies have you got backstage or what's what does undeth want backstage in a dream festival seltzer water what's your what's your shelter of choice pompal moose lecroy there's the best out of the LeCroys, but I'm like a spin drift guy. That shit is good too.

I love like a flavored bubbly water. Oh, I'm a huge fan of it. I mean, we are. Textured water, are you kidding me? It's such a scam. But I love it. I'm fully into it. And when you get a new,

new flavor, it's fucking awesome. That's like, I mean, yeah, I said I get tuckered out. Like, I go to the grocery store and I see like a new flavor of polar seltzer. I'm like fucking hyped. Polar, fucking. rocks the best um so plenty of that booze like doesn't have to be fancy what i guess what on death would need it's just like a 30 rack of high life 30 rack of you know miller lights some shit

like that it's pretty death now but this is a dream festival this is like you turn up and you're like holy shit this is what they've got yeah but that's kind of like the dream like i'm living my dream that's cool like we uh you know i could say like oh and the the cooler is stocked with every craft beer imaginable, like all the rarest shit. There's like, you know, monk beer and heady topper and all the shit. And that would be great. But when you get that kind of stuff, there's, this sounds so like spoiled, but there's like an expectation of enjoyment. Like the pressure is on. It's like, well, now I have access to this amazing beer. Like, I have to really sit down and focus on it. It becomes a thing. It's a thing. It's a whole event, which is fine.

But like when I'm playing a show, it's like, I just want to drink a beer or two. Like, I want to just relax and like i want to drink something that i don't have to think about yeah and like miller high life miller light jenny like i i love like a shitty fucking miller light mud light i love a cause light like course manquit what i've realized with them the common denominator with a lot of them is that instead of wheat they're brewed with the rice yeah i don't know what the fucking science is there but it just makes it so just like this is like fucking fruit juice yeah that's a I think they call them adjunct loggers. I think that's like the technical term for them.

Could be wrong about that. Professional, professional beer drinker. I mean, like, look at my titties, dude. Like, I love beer. It's where they all go. I could have you, you could have a beer. Well, you know, it's fine. I've got really nice beers.

I know you said the thing about the craft beer. Maybe it would ruin the podcast. Yeah, I mean, like the, it would have been bad because it would have been burping the entire time. But, yeah, like 30 rack of, maybe a little school. Let's go crazy. Let's do two 30 racks. So it's quantity over the quality of the beer. We're going to go one 30 rack of Miller Lite,

one 30 rack of, let's say, regular Genesee beer. You got whiskey? You got a favorite whiskey? Yeah, we're going to do, let's go bottle of Jamison. Maybe in the whiskey department we'll go a little fancy. Maybe we'll do like a bottle of Jameson and there's something a little bit nicer. So we'll do like a buffalo trace or something. Big fan.

Yeah. I love a bourbon. Yeah, like just a nice, slightly expensive bottle of Kentucky bourbon. Love it. Buffalo Trace nice and strong as well. Love that one. Fuck you up. Yeah.

Okay, so we should actually... You know what? Actually. Yes, he's in. I love it. People are in. Third bottle. We're going to do Jameson, Buffalo Trace, and we're going to do, what's that, like,

really crazy whiskey that's hard to find? It's like Pappy Van Winkle. Oh, yeah, that's Papi Van Winkle. We're going to do one of those too. That's the pro shit. Who, someone else has been on the podcast and told me and also has, Papi Van Winkle in their dream festival. I can't remember who it was,

but they said that they were at a bar in Glasgow, actually. And there was a bottle of it. It was a hotel bar and it was a bottle on the shelf. And the guy was like, it was like celebrating someone. Fuck, I wish I could remember who it was. It was celebrating someone. It was like, oh, can I have a, like a, you know, a shot of a panel. Yeah.

And the guy behind the bar, it was like dusty. had never had to serve it to anyone. So it wasn't coming up on the system. And the guy was like, oh, like, this is not coming up on the systems. Do you mind if I just put it through as a Jack Daniels? And the guy was like, oh, yeah, that's fine. Do you know what?

I'll have six. I'll have six of those. I end up drinking the whole fucking bottle. My girlfriend and I were in, I think we were in Denver or Boulder, somewhere in Colorado. And we were at a specific whiskey bar. And they had a bottle of,

like a 13 year, 12 year, whatever it was of Pappy. And I was like, out of curiosity, like, how much would a double of that be? And he was like, let me check. And it was like $65. I think that's what the guy did. I can't remember who it was. How much is that up there just to check so they could do it? And I don't know.

I'll just put it for his jacket. Okay, six, please. Yeah, that's amazing. So, yeah, bottle of that. I should find out who it is and we should go to that bar tonight. And scam, though. See if it's still there. I would, let's skip the whole show.

Let's just do that. Fuck it. And then, you know, we'll do, we'll do some mixers. We'll have some orange juice, some lemonade and some vodka and some tequila. Nice. That's good. Okay, so that leads me to the next part. Before we get to anything to do with music, because everyone knows,

what we've just talked about is the best part of the festival. What is the catering? Has Undef got any dietary restrictions? You got any favorites? You've got any top fucking, if you're, dream festival, who's doing the catering or what is the catering? So there's like a difference. There's like what undeth would want.

And then like what all of us could agree on. Then there's what I would want. I would like both of these. So what we could all agree on would be like like 10 pizzas flown in from somewhere in New York. Like Ellen Bees or something. There's nothing. No, there's nothing better. It's the best.

So like, like, like Rosa's like a dope. Rose's fucking rule. It's like, okay, you know what we'll do that. And actually shout out to Colin. He turned me on to this pizza. We're going to get 10 ravioli pies. It's just pizza. It's a cheese pizza with ravioli on top.

Sounds fucking great. It's heavenly. We're going to get 10 of those. Nice. We're going to get them flown out and heat it up in the green room. That's going to be like the main source of food. And then on the side, I mean, we're like, we're like a treats band. Nice.

Strait's a treats band. We love, like, walking around the gas station and just like admiring all the snack options. That's also a wheat thing. Yeah, that definitely helps. But we're going to get like various bags of chips and like just assorted chips and snacks and stuff like that. What should go to chip? Top chip.

Top chip, Zaps Voodoo. Oh, they're quite a big like, it's quite a big musician thing. Yeah. This is so weird. Gay bar photographer turned me onto those. Yeah, they're the best. I'm a tacky guy. Okay, yeah.

I like tackys. They're good. but they make my tongue hurt. Yeah, that's what I like about it. It's like, I'm kind of doing drugs. I'm eating chips. I love an all-dressed chip. You ever have one of those?

It's like a Canadian thing. The fucking, and it's just, like, ranch fucking. It's like, I don't know what the exact seasoning combination is, but it's supposed to be, I think it's like salt and vinegar, ketchup, barbecue, and something else. Oh, I'm talking shit. And they, like, mix it all together, and the flavor is called all-dressed. Sounds awesome

It's great It used to be like a Canada exclusive thing But you can get them in New York And stuff now too What about a sweet treat Sweet treat Peanut Butter Eminems The best

Don't have them here Really? I have when I come home I have to come home Like my fucking two cases Stuff for treats Honestly cereal And fucking peanut butter

M&Ms We are cereal sucks US cereal is my fucking Well because it has no nutritional value Whatsoever Yeah it's poison It's literally fucking poison So sick

I'm a big Skittles guy. Really? Yeah. Um, um, Skittles around is somewhere. Uh, just like, you know,

I'm like stuff like that, really as long as there's peanut butter or peanut Eminem's there. Big Skittles guy. Sorry to. Yeah. I'm a Skittles head. You're scared with it. I nearly,

I had a great joke, but you were in the middle of something when you were talking about Harry Potter. You were pot. Uh, if, I mean, like, if you, so like, I had to have, like, major, like, dental surgery. Because of the skills?

Because I abused Skittles for, like, so long. I hadn't gone to the dentist in, like, nine years. Like, I would never pick Skittles ever. Really? What's just... How are you eating them? Like, with my hands in my mouth. Are you, like, a sucker?

Or you're straight in and chew? Uh, yeah. I mean, like, I just, uh, I like to space out and just, you know, three finger pinch, just get a couple of skills, put them in. I kind of want skills now. I mean, craving is incredibly real. Yeah.

I'm going to necrophagist, skittles, fucking baby man winkle. Okay, music. Who's the headline? Give me two headliners. It's going to be a very incongruous festival.

It's not going to make a lot of sense. No one has ever made any sense. But in this post-apocalyptic fantasy world, it's going to feel right. Okay. Headliner is going to be the set that the cure was playing. The cure is headlining.

Very nice. And they're going to be playing their set from the prayer tour, which is the tour they did off of disintegration. Wow. So it's going to be... You're a sad boy as well. Yeah.

Fuck, yeah. Me too. I'm a sensitive guy, right? So it's going to be the cure playing all the hits from 1989 to the past. So that's going to be the set. So no stuff off wish,

which is kind of a bummer, but like... I mean, it's your dream. you can allow them to do that. They're going to play Letter to Elise. They're going to play Wendy Time. But it's like mainly a set composing of Sons off Disintegration, Kiss Me and Head on the Door. That's like the main headlining attraction.

And they're going to play for like three hours. And you've got a seat in your accommodation area. So sick. Skittles. Skittles. And also in the accommodation room, there's a way to beam the show directly into your skull. so you don't have to stare to screen. So I'm just sitting back there.

It's because it's a dream, you can have a balcony and watch the show from there. I'm on stage. Or do you want to be me? Okay. So in this fantasy, you're on the Batman Forever thing or not? I'm side stage in this fantasy and I'm watching the cure. And in between every song, Robert Smith walks up to me personally.

And he's like, did you like that one? Was it good? Yeah, it was great. It's great. Because I'm so happy you're here, Alex. That's nice. Okay, this is great. So they're the main headliner and then the other headliner.

let's see um we're gonna do necrophagist oh i was hoping because i never got to see him and they're just gonna play uh what is it it's not what's the record before epitaph it's not foul body autopsy that's that's uh the song of it yeah they're gonna play that record in abatap onset of putrication onset of putrefacation yeah putrification putrefacation so many long words i hate it like i don't like words with more than three syllables in them. Again. And they're going to open... They're going to open with to breathe in a casket,

and then they're going to go straight into the stab wound. It's going to be amazing. What is the fucking... The first track on onset of putreication. Putrefaction. It's not to breathe in the casket. That's two. It's...

Is it foul body autopsy? It might be foul body autopsy, but the fucking... It has the base, the base shit. It's got the base. It's got the base. It's got the base. I need to pull it up.

because it's going to annoy me. I would love to see that. So they're going to play like a nice, cool, hour-long set. It is foul-body autopsy. Yeah. So the cure necrophagist, career-spanning sets, career-defining sets.

Career-defining sets of completely different genres. Are they on the same day, or is this a two-day affair? Doesn't matter? That's a good, I didn't even think about that. I mean, it's not really happening, so you don't have to put that much things. into it. You're right.

You see where my mind tends to live. But I love that because people get really into it. I had fucking Andy Hurley from Fall Out Boy on here and he got another fucking JRP guy. Sweet. He got, because he plays D&D, he got so into the Dream Festival. And at first he was just like, oh, I guess it would

be it. We sometimes do festivals here and by the end of it, it was like, post show, there's D&D, Trent Rezner's the Dungeon Master. He like fucking fully flipped. You know, because it's an apropressual sunset and time doesn't really seem to matter, it's going to be a one-day fest. Nice. Okay, so we got, that's the main stage.

That's a fucking stacked, stacked lineup. Where's undefat on the bill? As far at the bottom as we can be so I can watch bands. How many bands do I get? I mean, you don't have to list any more, but you can list more. The only one that I require for this self-imposed rules of the festival is one, a smaller band that you're into that you would like to

sort of give a shout out to. Yeah, totally. So we're not first, but we're close enough to first that I can just roll up and get the set out of the way. And you're playing to the full. Yeah.

Oh, and everyone's there, of course. And they're hype for our set. Fuck, yeah. We're pretty close to the beginning. And then another newer band that's dope is this band's sedimentum. They're from somewhere in Quebec. I want to say.

Ooh, they got that, are they death metal? Yeah, they're, they've got that, like, French-Canadian, like,

goopy death metal sound. Love it. Fucking awesome. They put out an album last year. What are they called? Setimentum. Sedimentum. They did a split with that band Phobophilic.

Have you ever heard about it? Yeah, yeah. So they're awesome. They're playing too. And I'm going to stage that after they said about a thousand times. Right. I, there's two times in this podcast that I've wanted to interject and have a discussion about

something, but there wasn't the right. moment to do it because you were on a roll which was great um just you want to talk about that weird cryptopsy moment in time yeah like the dog shit part we're like with the clean singing and everything what the fuck happened i don't know i try not to think about it but the EP after it great it's so fucking sick yeah you know i like my cryptopsy shit is like like obviously blasts me and Nunso Vile. Like, those are my,

they swap number one spot. The artwork for Nonso Vile is incredible. So good. Nunsso Vile for me is like, that's a top three all time album regardless of genre. I love it so much. But also, the cryptopsy that I listen to the most of these days is like Whisper Supremacy.

Like, I think Mike DeSalvo is an amazing frontman. And I know a lot of people don't really fuck with him because he like, a lot of metal guys because he has kind of like a hardcoreish approach to vocals. Yeah. It's a little bit more shoddy than growlie. But I like that as well. It works.

Like over Cryptopsy's music, I think it just fits in a very unnatural way. And it's like a very exciting thing to listen to. So yeah, like his records, Whisper Supremacy and the other one is the Daniel Begg. Amazing. And Daniel Begg's fucking a classic. Are they on the festival? Hell yeah. Fuck yeah.

Give me some more bands that you would love to see on this lineup. Well, for me, it's going to be a lot of bands playing like album sets. Nice. I love album sets. I don't think I would ever want to do one as a band. Oh, my fucking worst nightmare. It's like learning songs that you never really intended to play life. And you've played in the studio and they were far too hard for you to play and you punched in every fucking fill.

But as a music fan, I love seeing that shit. So like we're going to have at the drive-in playing relationship of command front to back. We're going to do Orchid doing Chaos as Me front to back. Shit, we're going to do OPEC. Oh, this is a whole fucking. They're going to do Blackwater Park. and ghost reveries back to back. This festival, you're going to have to put this one two days.

Why? Is that, is that, are they your top two? Oh, yeah, shit. Are they your top two opeths? Yeah. Where do you stand on new opeth? How new? Like watershed new or like the new new stuff?

Watershed, my man, was 2008. So that is, I'm pretty sure it's 2008. But that was when people started calling it new opet. but I like I fuck with watershed. I love Watershed. Yeah. I haven't listened to the most reason OPEF album. But I mean I celebrate all eras of OPEC.

I love like the early more like it's almost like black metalist shit. Like the stuff on Orchid. Like I love my arms of your hearse. I love, I mean, Blackwater and Ghost Reveries. Those are two of my all-time favorites. The middle deliverance damnation, Yep. Black War Park, Ghost Reveries.

that little middle era is my that's my favorite too is just unfuck withable I feel like that was one that kind of had the perfect balance of like all the kind of different shit they were going for which I love and it was like wait there's good production wait there's death metal wait there's an acoustic guitar

oh my god so yeah it's like it's gonna be a lot of shit like that I mean I could literally just sit here for hours and rattle off bands that I would want to see play full albums I saw OPEs at the Royal Albert Hall in London, which is a big fucking, yeah,

royal hall, sat down, I had a fucking seat. That's great. And it was just after Ghost Reveries came out, and they played, like,

it was just banners. It was fucking unbelievable. Do you know, the band spiritualized? They're a British band. They're from, I don't know my British geography at all, but I think they're up north somewhere.

But they, originally the main dude, his name is Jason Pierce, I think. He was in a band called Space Men 3, and it's very like stripped back psychedelic guitar music, just lots of like long interwining, interwoven, like guitar leads and shit. It's very meditative, very like spaced out.

I would do a dual set where first it's him and a reunited Space Men 3, doing their albums playing with fire in dream weapon back to back. And then there's a cocktail break. So we chill, go back to the tents, go back to our Harry Potter TV. What cocktail are you having? We're going to do a gin and tonic probably or a vodka soda, some shit like that. Something like, nothing crazy. Just something light and effervescent.

Okay. Back to the seltz a guy. Yeah, back to the band shell. Spiritualized that they're doing their first three albums. so this is going to be like a three hour long set but it's perpetual sunset and we're all dying of radiation poisoning so like we don't even we don't notice time passing so that's i think laser guided melody's pure phase ladies and gentlemen we're floating in space maybe one of the side effects of the medication that everyone is on is that you don't have to sleep yeah that's why this can happen your body if you sleep you'll die

or you need to have this medication your body enters like a sleep state stay stay stay stay stay But you're still like cognizant of what's happening around you and you can still like go out and watch bands and party and shit. But your body is like recovering while you're doing it. Trippy. Yeah. I like it. Which leads me to the final part of the festival. It's a great time. I can't wait. Can I come? Yeah. Be on the guest list. Plus one. Yep. Can't wait to see necrophages again and die slowly from radiation poisoning. If you are the second festival in a row to feature radiation poisoning and not in, these won't come out, These will come out separately, but it was North Lane's one.

And I had both of that. I had John and Josh on. And Josh wanted it to, the festival to be in Bergen, Norway. And John wanted it to be in Tokyo. And then obviously, as I have to curate these things, I came in and said basically, okay, so in some sort of future, again, why am I always doing the war? I was like, there's been a war between Tokyo and Norway.

and Tokyo and Japan won. So we're in Neo Bergen, where it looks like Akira, but you're in fucking... I was going to say it's like a fucked up Akira. Yeah, that's what it was. So they had radiation poisoning as well. Okay.

That's part of their festival. But anyway, what is the after party? Your dream after party. Dream after party for me is nothing crazy. It's just me, one on one, I get to just hang out with Robert Smith. And he's like, not like his typical

curmudging himself like he's open to questions like he's down to talk about the curing shit it's the radiation it's a radiation like he's just like basking in this like radioactive glow and like we're just it's like there's a little bit of a party beforehand like we're all just chilling at the Harry Potter TPs like all the bands are backstage like we're doing some drinking we're doing some smoking whatever peanut butter Eminems everyone's having a good time

and then everybody starts to filter out but it's me and Robert Smith, we're on like a nice couch. And I'm like, dude, like, what was it like recording this integration? Like, tell me about it. Like, like, and then he's playing songs for me acoustically. Oh, nice. Real cool. That sounds like a dream.

It sounds like a dream festival. I'll take that. And it's, it, none of it feels awkward or forced. Like, we're just hanging out. And he's like, do you mind if I play? Yeah, he starts it. Would you mind if I played you some intimate versions of that songs? Of course.

It's fine, Robert. Okay. What's on death got coming up? We're doing this UK tour. That will be done by the time this comes out. Okay, so we did this UK tour. It's fucking sick. And then...

First shows tonight, by the way. When is this coming out, do you think? I don't know. Maybe like, it might be like six weeks from now. Well, so I think by the time this comes out, we'll probably be wrapping up our U.S. tour that we're doing. We're opening for The Artist's Murder. Oh, I saw that on it.

That's fucking sick. So they're headlining. It's like a five-band package. kind of thing. We're third of five. So before us is I am and justice for the damned. And then after us is Kublai Khan and thy art. See, that's putting you firmly in the hardcore club. But I love every single one of those bands on that. Yeah. And we're the kind of band that like when we get opportunities like that, like we just say yes. Yeah, fuck it. It's a great tool for you. Yeah. I'm fucking really excited about it. Like the venues are massive for us. So I'm stoked about that.

A lot of the shows are selling out. So that's cool, too. I think it's going to be a great time. I mean, we have fun wherever we go and whoever we tour with. Like, we're just down to like... Kubla Khan is so much fun. People die art. The ones that I know are so much fun. It's going to be a great time.

We're really excited about it. So we're doing that. And then that immediately, we're home for like two days. And then we go to Australia and we're doing just two shows. We're doing Brisbane and then we're playing a festival. Two shows. Yeah. I wish we were doing more.

It's a long way to go for two shows. Yeah. but I think like the fest that we're doing paid for the flights or something Australia is so sick like that they're just like yeah we'll pay for your flights and then when you do a big tour out there they pay for your flights in between shows yeah I think it's that kind of deal because it's like the pre-show fest in Brisbane is connected to the fest in Melbourne so it's called Into the Fall it's a new thing it's like I think it's people who have done Australian stuff before like trying out a new festival

when is it I mean I don't expect you to know this, I should know this. It's in early March. It's like days after the Vyart Tour ends. Still Australian someone. Gate Creepers playing. Nice. Obscura, we're playing, obviously.

Obscura. Yeah, you know who I'm also stoked about that? I mean, I'm still out of about that. I mean, I'm still out of see Obscure and Gay Creeperrower, obviously. Do you know the band Disembowlment? Yeah. It's literally, it's that band. It's the, I think the guitar players started a new band called Inverlock.

And it's basically just like a 21st century disembowlment. Oh, sick. And they never play. So I think you have to go to Australia to see them. And you're getting to go. It's like a dream festival. Exactly. So I'm really, really excited to watch their set.

Fuck yeah. And after that, I mean, we're home for a little bit. And then we're doing like Eurofest stuff in the summer. But we've got like two and a half months to chill. What one's you doing? We're doing, let's see, what's been announced? It's called Into the Grave. We're doing that one.

Oh, you're doing the metal, metal, metal thing? Oh, yeah, we're doing like the fields in Denmark. We're doing that month. I just want to know if... I think most of them are in June. Yeah, so we're doing the festivals in June. I want to know if we're on anything together. We're doing Copenhell.

Oh, you're so metal. Yeah. I mean, it's great, but we're not. We're doing Mystic Fest in Poland. Yeah, metal again. I think Pantera's on that one. I don't know for how much longer, but... That's an interesting.

You know what my thing is with that, right? I'll use my platform to... fucking say my opinion on this because I'm allowed because it's my fucking shit and I do what I want. Like the festivals

knew what he did when they booked him they just do it to see do you reckon we can get away with this? There's a lot of money should we just try

and then everyone goes for right or for wrong yeah for right or for wrong right? You know I think what he did was fucking heinous but I'm not going to I'm not going to fucking...

I think it's insane what he did, and yes, there should be repercussions. But you can't book the fucking band. Knowing full well, you can't tell me that whoever books these massive festivals was just like... Wait, he did what? And then you're like trying to get brownie points afterwards.

Yeah, and then... You booked him, why do you? Yeah, and then everyone going, you need to remove this band and go, oh, we've recently found out about the stuff Phil Anselmo did 10 years ago, so we've decided to take him off a festival. And then everyone goes,

well done well done they fucking tried to get away with it they tried to get away with it it annoys the fuck out of me do you know it's crazy book them or don't book them that's it right he so like i was aware this is like two years ago i knew that there was that video of him at some show giving that like white power speech yeah right and i thought it was like a one-time thing and then i got curious and i went back and watched the video after like there were phil and someone was in the news for like something and I was like I want to like see that dude making a fool of himself again so I watched that and in the video at the beginning of his speech he's like I've been taking time at every stop in this tour to say this I was like oh so they have a dedicated part of their set every night where the band

leaves and Phil gives a white pride speech like what I don't know that it's in it's in like the video that is everywhere of him and it's like super grainy footage but at the beginning of it He's like, I've been saying this every night. I just remember him saying white power, and then the excuse was we were drinking white wine. That was way in the future. This is like back when Pantera was touring. Oh, shit.

That was a totally separate incident. I mean, the flags were a dead giveaway. But the fucking, oh, yeah, you're talking about Pantera. Yeah, it's like, these people fucking news. You just don't book him. Like, it annoys me that they get praise. It was the same with Azale dying. And everyone was like, we put them on the festival.

and then everyone kicks off and they go, we've recently found out about what happened with Azadai dying, so we've kicked him off the festival. You fucking, it's your job to know.

That little incident where he tried to have his wife killed. In Barnes & Noble. It's, yeah, that's what annoys me about it. Just fucking... Don't do it.

Stick to your fucking guns. We shouldn't look at book this guy because the white wine thing. Yeah, and all the other stuff. But, yeah. But that's like the one that keeps going. And I keep like, I don't know why they still follow me and I still follow them or whatever,

but revolver posts about Pantera all the time. And I just reply underneath every single one with the wine emoji. Every single time. No one does anything about it, but it's like, it's weird. Yeah. It's crazy that there's like 4K footage of him throwing up a Zig Heil. Throwing it up. And like, he still is on all these fest.

But there was no, like, my issue with it, and it's the same, the Lambesis thing, all of them, like, there was no deep dive apology. There was, I'm sorry if people, if, that's a big fucking word. I'm sorry if people were offended. Right. No, you are sorry that you offended people, and this is why you're sorry. I'm sorry if you were offended, suggesting that there's some sort of ambiguous. between...

I'm sorry of me throwing up a Nazi salute like bummed you out or whatever. You fucking snowflakes. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, I think we've done it. He's not invited to your festival. No.

No, he was booked and we've taken the time to address the concerns. If we could do a down set where they're playing the album, Nola, but with somebody who sounds exactly like Phil and Selmo when they recorded that album,

I would probably have them on that fest. that record is awesome. It's a dream festival. So you could go as far as to say... It's a Phil Anselmo. No, no, yeah. Who never did any of those things. No, so what...

Here's how I've got to bring it into the realms of the doable. Footage is released of ISIS with Phil Anselmo as a hostage. And they're basically saying, like, you have to... Oh, so our hands are tied in the situation. Yeah. This video is from like 1992. I guess it's Al-Qaeda back then.

I guess it's actually the U.S. government back then. It was the Mujahideen slash the U.S. government. Yeah, slashed the U.S. government. In fact, the U.S. government funded the Mujahideen to abduct Bill Anselmo, make him be racist. The CIA brain experiments. Yeah. For the following years.

and then this footage arises and so it becomes known that he didn't really He had to do the salute or else they were going to decapitate him and therefore he can play the festival with down. I think that's a fair excuse. I would forgive him.

Yeah, me too. I would forgive him. And on that note, two hours on the dot pretty much. Wow. We're done. Well, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure

and it's flown by. Enjoy the show and I'll see you there. Hell yeah.