The Downbeat - Ali Richardson - Bleed From Within / Sylosis

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

I get drunk with Ali from Bleed From Within and Sylosis and talk about Bleed's new album Shrine, as well as what makes a perfect drum tech, the joys of Glasgow, beer, and much, much more.

What's up? It's taken me one week to do this intro because I'm moving house. It's an absolute pain in the ass. There's crap everywhere. I can't really be bothered to do anything, but I need to do everything. If you know what I mean.

Packing, boxes. Boring, boring, boring. The good news, however, is, as you'll see, if you're watching this on YouTube, the podcast is video now and the whole move is a facilitation of making that look cool

so basically I'm moving into a place which is going to look awesome for the podcast and it's easy to get guests it's going to be super easy to get them in all video all HD this episode is sounds like I'm going to say brought to you by but look no one's giving me money yet

so you know chuck me cool on the Patreon patreon. slash the downbeat seamless seamless plug getting too good at these this episode was my first attempt at the video stuff so if you're watching it there's some frame rate issues give me a fucking break I learned how to be a cameraman

TV producer in the pandemic I'm still learning I'll be honest with you I'm getting a bit obsessed with it I actually really like all the boring grading shit making stuff look cool B-roll Borker all of the buzzwords so what I've

done as well is I've ordered a bunch of stuff to this word makes me puke but to vlog going on tour and I'm going to put it on this to hold myself accountable that I'm going to do it um go and chuck me a subscription on YouTube if you want to see that kind of stuff if you don't want to see that kind of stuff please just tell me by not watching it because then I don't have to do it I want to do it I want do it, but if he's not going to make me any money, I don't give me a fuck, really. My guest this week is Ali Richardson of Bleed from Within fame.

It's been a long time coming. I thought he hated me, if I'm honest with you. He moved to Reading when I moved to Glasgow. We swapped places. So basically we haven't spoke at length for a while.

I thought he hated me. It was a great little shout. We got pretty pissed courtesy of Drop Project The brewery Which is not a plug But they did send me them for free And they were very nice The only reason they sent me them for free

Is because I was shouting my ass off About them on Instagram And I said, hang on Do you want a crate And I said, Absa fucking Lutley I want a crate And then They sent me a crate

I drank him with Ali We got pissed up I was really hung over the next day So towards the end of the podcast You can notice that I'm pretty pissed Which is your American That means drunk, bro what do we talk about?

We talk about absolutely everything. A lot of stuff about drums, a lot of stuff about drum techs, what it takes to be a good drum tech. Ali's looking for a drum tech actually, so we sort of put an ad in about that. It was a really great chat. He's a great dude.

Check out, believe from within. They're criminally underrated as a band. Yeah. It's Ali Richardson. on the downbeat podcast is everything else this is recording now is it started it's apparently

started i hope to fucking god that it works fine fear get close that microphone for me see this is why I wanted you to have headphones I'll bring it right up here are you glad you refuse to do things like this

uh well who's fiending for the beer more me or you oh if anyone's just watching this and not on the audio one. That's Ali, and this is me. There we go. If you're listening to the boring audio one, like some sort of caveman.

You better not be after the effort that Craig has put into this. It has to be said. The most amount of effort I've ever played at anything in my life. I've been sitting here for an hour, absolutely choking for a can. He's been... I've even had to, like, change the background.

Now, the background was already there. I walked in and it was practically like this, but you know, you're talking about 100 second, millisecond sync offset an S-log 1-03 That's S-Log 2

actually if you're asking shooting at S-log 2 The absolute nerd This is how This is an episode That should have happened A long time ago And what we've done

I've used it as a tester This, thanks to the Patreon Is what I want every episode to be like I want the guests To come to the house To the kitchen It's going to be

No new place There's going to be a little thing Yeah, you're all saying. And it'd just be set up real nice. That'll be there. The dogs, the cats, the energy. There's a coffee machine. If it was in the daytime, we could have had a coffee.

Fucking hate coffee. Is it? Can I just don't drink hot drinks. I just carried it. I've never done it. Never liked it. Growing up, I just never liked it as a kid. And see, now, it seems like one of those.

It almost seems like a vice. Do you know what I mean? A tour with guys like Davy and Kennedy are just, they wake up and it's like, they can't start their day without a coffee. Do you smoke? No, no, I don't smoke. what do you do

da da da da da da da da da da da da da right I'm going to talk you for what we're drinking because not an official sponsor right I don't have any but get the downbeat glass in short

you can hold it up to your camera I'll hold it up to mine look at this eventually right I will have someone doing these buttons for me but didn't work out today so we can look at it now

can I look at it you can look at it with your you've got long haul a New England IPA from... favourite style of beer. It's my favourite style, definitely. From Drop Project and One Drop Brewing.

I believe One Drop are Australian, so fuck knows how they've done that collab. They are, reading the back of the can. I can confirm that they are indeed Australian. You can read? Believe it or not. Great education system in Scotland. Oh. Drop projects are fucking great. I do like their stuff. Not an official sponsor, but they do be sending me cans.

They do, I see that fridge I get regular can updates from yourself Whenever a shipment comes in you're just like Why are you not doing this fucking podcast Look at this fridge full of fucking cans The amount of the times I've had that The thing is right I let's fucking get this green

Come on, I'm so thirsty We need to get started on this How many have we got to go through here? Cans I want to make this one of the Well Oh there's two minutes Did tell me before he started this that he's drunk

On most of his episodes So maybe I'm not the first to get him shit-faced, but I would like us to get a wee charging us by the end. Cheers, mate. Cheers, man. To the podcast that should have happened. Well, you mentioned this earlier, you touched on it. I was meant to be one of the first.

I remember you gave me a shout, you gave it, because your first was Jay, right? It was Jay Test. Yeah, I wanted you to be one of the first ones. What did you do? Fucking blew me off? Well, it was the same as every time you've asked me to do this so far. There's been something that's just came up. There's been some, there's been a tour, there's been practicing, I've been traveling.

I was moving house. I was moving down to London. moving to Redden, something was always at the time where you said, let's do it. And then you, I think you started to get a complex and you thought I was blowing you off. I did. You don't want to do your podcast. I'm sure I've slacked you off on the podcast before for that exact reason.

Well, I wouldn't fucking know. I don't listen to podcasts, that's something as well. I've listened to some of yours because I'll get people, I mean, this sounds really vain, but people will tell me, they'll be like, you're in this podcast and I'm like, yeah, I'm slagging you off. I'm like, what's he fucking said? I'm terrified. I'm slagging you off because I want you to be in the podcast. And two, you want to meet in the being the podcast?

Nah, it might just be a drinking issue. Might just be talking about other people that drink a lot, as well as myself, which is quite like you. Oh, that is fucking, that's just. I want to talk about endorsements while we're on this thing right now. I'm going straight in. I've had people, I've heard it on the grapevine. You know who you are.

Oh, I love this power. People who, I don't like it now. There's not enough drummers on there on the podcast. I can show you the figures. No one gives a fuck about drummers. I'm going to say, I think you're doing quite all right without the drummers.

But the problem is, right, I care. I only care about the drums and the gym, and that's it. So trying, and, yeah, that's it. So trying to have a conversation about other shit, I just can't do it.

My case is kind of interesting. It's not you tail off and, you know, is it not... But like... By the end of the day, you just want to be chatting shit a bit. To do an episode every week is too tough

because it's just like, I don't want to fucking if I would just point this at your mouth a little bit wish you were wearing headphones just be as close as fuck to it um the reason I'm not wearing headphones

is because I did this noise earlier and it sounded like I was oh I didn't like it see I'm a drummer I don't I don't but you're very rarely I'm in a situation

when I have to wear headphones and listen to my own voice getting blasted into my brain do you know what I mean it's not I'm so arrogant going, I love it. I've got like this, like, it's called, like, what's the sound of his own voice much?

I got a big, big bottom on it. So it's like, ooh, manly. I'm such a man. I'll know you say that. You want the cans on? Do you want the cans on? Give me two cans, right? And then the cans.

All right, got it. This is what I want to talk about endorsements. Okay. Because Drop Project, they give me beer for free. My views on endorsements pretty much. much are, it's not an endorsement, you can't be endorsed by beer. But if someone gives me something for free that I am buying anyway, then that's as good as money. So I'll take it. So like, I won't take free shit for the sake of free shit. But if you're going to give me 24 cans of

beer, that's going to save me, like 24 good cans of beer is saving me like 100 quid. Yeah, of course. I mean, free sake for the, I do love a bargain. It has to be said. But I wouldn't see, I wouldn't Exactly. You can take the man out of Scotland. But I wouldn't take free shit as something that I thought was shite. I would probably try something if they said. Let me send a sample of this

whether it be, I mean, I've never been sent. I've been sent to some free beers and it's never a shit beer. It's always good. But like some drum stuff, you know, if it was let us send you this so you can see what you think. And if it's crap, I'll be like, it's crap, I'm not going to post about it. If I do it, it'll be a scathing review. Thanks for letting me try this. It's not my thing.

But, yeah, I think what you're saying there, is like if you're already into a company. I mean, I'm saying this. I got in with Yamaha because they sent me a free kit. And before that, I was playing a peril export up to that point. Yeah, but did you need a free kit? Well, I was playing a peril export with a fucking Gibraltar rack

that was held together with a graphic. So you needed it. I was in the market for a kit, and they said we are, they were promoting at the time. I think it was the rock tour custom. And you remember this kit because we played a show together. I think you were in Dead Swans at the time. Who knows?

Remember that show? It was like the Club Academy. It was us, I think Sleeps were there. Yeah, anyway. Oh, I remember that night. Yeah, we can get into that later. Can we actually? That was the first time.

That was the first time I'd been using that kit, really. And I remember you just been like, oh, what's all this said? Fucking. Fucking, that was. My hardware. That was in my Yorkshire there. That was in my Scarface arc.

without that was that was like the first I was around about the first time I was using that kit and it was it was amazing do I mean and that's like going back to the endorsement thing them sending that to me was was a blessing and then that started that was in 2010 I think and I've been like a proud Yamaha artist since then because I realized like even for an intermediate level kit I was like this sounds fucking great it's not like you went with a shit company because he had a free drum kit though like crushed drums or something mental like that

But you know what I mean? Like a free kit's a free kit. I was going to say SJC there, but they're definitely not shit. They're not anymore, are they? If there's anything moved, but let me set the fucking scene today. And I'll tell you, because I haven't told you the amount of shit I've been doing today.

Go on. The plan that I've already said is to have a set up a podcast studio. This is what happened. I thought I was the cleverest person in the world. I'll get a Patreon. They'll pay for the gear. and the rental on a room that I can use for drums and I can use for the podcast.

That room is fucking expensive. Getting more expensive every year. Yep, they just keep chucking out, fucking landlords to the lions. So I move in on the first day, a death metal band. Fair enough, they're quite good, right next door,

there's no way I can podcast in there. So I can't do it in here because I can't keep it set up all the time. But I've got a new place coming. I've deliberately got a place where it's kind of look awesome there's going to be an area for the podcast this is a test of the setup but there will be a Jamie character

like from Joe Rogan who will be doing these buttons for me today I'm doing it which is using all of my brain power so if I'm just fucking zone out it's because I'm trying to do this I'll be talking the camera will be on you it's going to be that's already happened twice I saw it out of the corner of my eye and I have to like Like a little, like a blind, I need braille here.

To just, all right, don't do a fucking impression. So, but this is, provided this works, I'm super fucking stoked. Like, insanely stoked. So now let's talk about you. And the, like, this never happened because, I'm just checking my brain. This never happened because. I can see you just looking straight, looking at the screen at the colony. If you're listening to the audio version of this, I'm sorry.

you moved to Redding and I moved to Glasgow yeah like fucking magnets just opposing isn't it annoying because I think I moved from Glasgow to London I think in 2018 and I was there for a year and at that point you were still in Redden because I believe I came over a couple of times I was working with the place that I work a lotment shout out to those guys big shout out yeah we'll come back to them I'm sure but yeah I was in London you were still Reading and then at the point where I knew I was moving over there, I think you'd, about two or three months previous, you'd just moved to Glasgow. And when I got there and I got settled, I sort of realized on social media, I was like, are you living there now? I was like, I just thought you were on holiday

or something. I thought you were up to see in Mrs. family and then it sort of clicked. I was like, are you fucking joking? I move here after being pals for what, 10 years, if not more. And now I'm in Brighton, some even further away. Literally the arse end of the fucking country. Next stop is fucking France. Are you doing that? No, I'm a fuck. No offense. Where's your girlfriend from? She's German.

So that's definitely on the cards. Yeah, could Germany. UK is going to shit. I love Germany. Let Scotland go independent and we'll jump up there. I'll get a Scottish passport. Is that all it would take for you to come back here? Think of that fucking buying a sweet house and it costs nothing. Honestly, I've looked at the costs of houses. Like, you know, I think ultimately at some point in my future I'd probably buy a house in Glasgow I'd yeah I love that do you know I mean the band's obviously based here and you know a

property good house prices in Glasgow and I would definitely consider that Brighton is fucking extortionate it's just London by the sea but it's a beautiful beautiful city do I mean it's fucking great I'm gonna go out ideally I would have somewhere in Germany and somewhere all right fuck me well you know no offense to believe from within but I don't think that's happening just you fucking wait just you wait just you me what two and two in siloosis like this oh yeah shit two two two houseer um i'll go on a limb with my camera switch i stop saying camera switch because if you're listening to the audio one you're gonna fucking hate this three cameras um f's fucking three motherfucker they cost so much money right

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say Glasgow is the best price of property to city ratio in the entire fucking world Like in terms of how sick the city is for how much it costs to live in the city centre. I mean if Hamburg's got the same kind of rate, then I'd argue that's probably a close second. But I can't even say. I have no idea actually. I've got no idea. I think it's probably quite expensive.

I don't know. That's where I want to go. So I'm just hoping. I'm just like, I reckon it's the best place in the world. I don't know. Newhouse. I don't know the property. This is the best fucking place.

I don't know the property prices anywhere other than the two places I've lived. So that's... Raising in Glasgow. He's like the best in the world. Right, fucking here. What he should have said is just, it's the best fucking city. It is amazing.

I do miss Glasgow, but I mean, I'm back here all the fucking time. You know, I miss living here. I miss just having my friends on speed dial and being able to shoot around to their house at the weekend

or meeting at the pub. I miss having my fucking kit set up all the time because for anyone that doesn't know me on the podcast, I play a fucking ridiculous drum kit. It's exceedingly large. And it's just where I'm at in Brighton at the moment. I need to, it lives in the attic in bits. And when I go and practice, I need to book for seven or eight hours.

And I go down and it takes me an hour and I have to set up. It takes me an hour and I have to take that. That's three, you're talking nearly two to three hours. Just to set up. Did you get a drum tech sorted out? For a tour that you're doing. I don't know if you can announce it. Oh, for the end of the year.

Yeah. No, I haven't yet. If anyone's listening. Oh, yeah, do this. Is this the show out for them? No, because this is how I got Josh. Because I was just on. tour and he was like, oh, I don't want to go home.

And I'm only, he was doing merch for Loat and he was a drummer and he was like, I don't really want to go home because the tour was sick. Can I just do it for free? And I'll drum tech for you. And I was like, in my head it was like, I really want a fucking drum tech. So I'll just do it and I'll just pay him at the end. And then he knew nothing about drum teching at all. I'm sure he doesn't fucking mind me saying this.

He knew at that point he played the drums, he was great drummer and, you know, could tune drums or whatever, but didn't know anything about drumtecking. That uncommon. sense and just yeah there are certain the common sense was talked but no the common sense was

taught but like not really um like just the tech stuff like when to load in when to do this changeovers good etiquette and stuff like that but then I told him

I was like that if you want to do this for free then come and have a you know come and do the tour and I'll just treat it like you're actually working that's a great point what makes a good fucking tech go into that in detail because I think there's a lot that

there's a lot that a tech can do that would make them or even, sorry, I'll rephrase that, there's a lot that can make them good, but you could do one of maybe three things and it would just make you a shite tech, whether it's drums, guitar, whatever, just any member of crew, I guess. Do you know, have you got an opinion first before I do more?

I think like, I hate that kind of, I hate that entitlement. I hate them thinking they're part of the, band. I hate them that kind of. Unless they are told... Coming in hot there with a fucking personality death. That's fucking true. Do you know what I mean? Thinking that they, because I've seen it before where they think they are that and then they get bought down a peg by the band that they work for. Do you know what I mean?

So I think it goes back to... It goes to ego, which could, you know, we can go into that fucking later on, talk about ourselves in the industry all we want. But, you know, I think there's a... That was a wink for the... If you're on audio, fucking grow up unless you're blind then I'm sorry What is it with a point of braille blind thing? I don't know Do you can't ask? No I'm feeling

very thoughtful, thankful for my eyes. Okay So yours is just a pure personality beef Well, no well not that Okay, so what are we saying? Three things that make a bad tech Can do that would

Okay, I want your three then I'll do my three Okay, one ego Don't be an ass bad bit. Number one, that's your number one They're getting fired for that above anything else? Don't be a dick. Because that is you can learn everything else. You can learn the little technical bits. You can learn how to fucking set that bit up.

You can learn where to place that. You can learn where to put that. You can, yeah, don't be a dick. Get on with folk. Don't be an asshole. Don't be an ass bandit. I like that one. Okay. So no ego. Second one, I, punctuality. I think that's important. Be where you need to be on time. That's my number one. We'll go into mine, but I think that's my

number one. But I, I imagine a guy was punctual, but he's an asshole. has to be number one you can't tour with somebody that's a prick uh true true yeah but the punctuality's up there and punctuality's top and i think it comes into play mostly at uh

like festivals for example if your tech wasn't already building the kit or you said right we're on stage at five we're going to stage at half past two i'll get you there go and meet your pals going to have a pint do whatever we meet here if they're not there at that time you'd be like where the fuck are so that's my number one I'll take a little bit of an asshole

to do with that because i myself was a that definitely had an ego and was definitely an asshole and my other one of my other close friends the man where he's also an arseal lovely asshole

he's a lovely arso yeah but so am I but we both got fucking egos we'll both tell you that we don't but we do everyone's got an ego if you're in the music industry you carry an ego

if you're really good at your instrument like he is and you're a tag by proxy you are right here it is uh and no but like yeah

Okay, what's your number three? Oh shit, we didn't even get to three, did we? So, yeah, don't be an ass bandit. Punctuality. Isn't ass bandit a slur for... I mean, you didn't mean it. I don't mean it. I guess it's...

I'm using it in place of asshole. Ars bandit. Okay. You've got Google there. Maybe you should go on it. No, this is what we need the Jamie for. All right. Well, no, we don't have Jamie, so I'm going to get cancelled.

No, you're not, because you didn't. no. Cancellations are over anyway. There's so much... Is it? Yeah, it's done. It's done? I thud one...

Yeah, just... Unless you fuck a kid, then you're done. Oh, straight in the bend. Yeah, you are. But I reckon everyone's getting... I'm not saying it's a good thing, but everyone's getting away with everything else. Anyway, don't want to talk about that.

It's so boring every single podcast. I know if talks about that. What is number three? Just forever. I mean, this sounds really preachy forever being a student or be open to learn. I think that's it.

Yeah, because that all... Ties into ego as well. It goes into ego and it's that personality. It's that openness. So I think, you know, carry yourself with respect and don't be a fucking deck. Don't be an ass bandit, as we said, potential slur, punctuality, and be open to learn.

I think those are the three. Okay, so mine... What are yours? They're going to be very similar. My number one, it's something that I had to teach Josh, but I think he just didn't know. If I look back to like when,

because he was doing it for free, in his head, I think what he thought was, okay, I'll just watch him when he plays the drums. Like, because when you think of drum tech, if, like, that's what you think. So he came on board and then I just, in my head was just assuming he knew, like, fully held a drum tech.

And then it would be like, oh, we haven't loaded in yet. which means I need to help load in and admittedly if someone was doing it for free I probably wouldn't want them to do that much stuff I mean just be told so shout out to my boy Logan Logan White he's been he's landed quite a Custy Jobnu

he's kind of taking a step back from touring for the foreseeable so hence I was messaging you about potentially getting a tech for this tour at the end of the year but Logan's been the only guy that I trust to build my kit from scratch and he was up for the fucking task and was well enthusiastic about it. Fucking jungle game. The fucking jungle gym.

So I was like, fair play mate. You're into this. But Logan's just been not only are we, I mean, we're old mates like outside of that, you know, the music world anyway where we consider us pals. He gets on with the rest of the guys in the band. I dream just to be around. You know what I mean?

He's just a fucking easy going guy. And he knows his shit and he's enthusiastic as fuck and he's open to learn. And he's always asking like, do you need this? Do you want this? Can I do this? And like, that to me was just going above me on. Because I don't, I don't expect it. as well it's always like one of those things where i was like

you know i don't have an ego i don't carry myself for that so i was just like if you can just you know if we're doing a festival and i go out there and i stand up behind the kit and go can you plug my that's yeah see that when you when i fake mouth something at the start of a festival that i make do you actually do that noise no no i'm not i'm gonna say well we're doing a festival at the weekend and i will do that now but have you ever done it when like, because I do a couple of screams in the set if I'm fucking feeling them. If you ever fully screams,

sometimes I do a fucking less fucking go or like a scream and a couple of times I've pulled muscles doing it and fuck the rest of the set up. Like I've pulled all up my side. Fucking hell. Idiot. I've never, I mean, but you're falling to bits.

We'll come back to that again. I feel like we've started many different topics here. Fucking slack. I mean, you're falling in a bit. I'm actually on the mend. Okay, number one, I'm on the mend. Good. I'm on my drum tech story.

So Josh wanted, Shout out Logan. There we go. Shout out, Josh. Josh wanted to stay on the tour. So I said, okay, you can be my drum tech. And then on day, the first day of being my drum tech, it wasn't really like it was my drum tech.

So I just went up to him nicely. It was just like, in my head I knew like, I'm going to pay this guy at the end. So I, there's flies in here. I don't know why. There's a fucking body somewhere. I've left another body around. Dropping me ham and eggers in here.

I basically said, do you want to be a drum tech as your job? And he was like, yeah. And I said, well, here's what we do. I will tell you everything that I expect you to do. Like, and then if it's too much, you can just let me know and then you don't have to do it. But if you want to learn how to do it

and you've never done it before, I would tell you everything I would do and everything I would expect, told him it all. And then on day fucking two, it was absolutely perfect for the lesson at all. That's that willingness to learn. That's that openness.

It was incredible. I think if you're going to be a test, or any fucking member of touring crew, that is so fucking crucial because that changes from bands to band, client to client essentially. And I think you need to have that. And then that plays nicely into the don't be a dick thing

because you can have an ego and you can be a bit of an arseal and you can rub people up the wrong way but if the people that are paying you, you're open to playing by their rules all the time and you're learning. That's fucking crucial. I got told off once,

one big telling off from architects when I was drum-second. Just fucking getting fucked up. like really fucked up maybe that's maybe that's the fourth one don't get too fucked yeah it's a big one but i also made a lot of good connections but no there was one night where i was just like i was walking back to the fucking bus like a t-rex like i was fucked up yeah i was fucking yeah there was something else involved and then at that point i think the next day they made me drum tech in a boerat mankini for the actual show as a punishment and i quickly don't

So my number one is the part is Basically if I'm buying it if I'm paying for a tech So Gabe's now my tech Because he's already on the tour Doing photos So I just pay him So there's different levels really All I want is

Not to load out My drums to be set up My drums to be packed down And my drums to be loaded out Like I don't care really about the tuning because I can sit on a drum kit and just go bish bash, bosh.

If I'm paying big, big money, but I just took a bit of money. See, I took full advantage of Logan on the last bleed from within headline tour, and I was terrible for loading in and loading out. I made a cunt of it, and I was like, I felt like a total arso. On the second last night, I think it was Davey or something, Ken, I said, you do realize you've been dropping the ball here and you've not been loading in, loading out, and I was like, oh, no.

You're paying it? Because we were paying them, but it's kind of, we are very, we're all hands-on. that sense and it was kind of like everyone else was doing the bit. Not if you're paying. Not if you're paying. Yeah but I mean Logan was more of a hand for the band. Did I have a guitar tech? No no no no see that's it. Yeah see that's why. So what you need is a guitar tech. Exactly. So I was kind of, I took the easy way out on that. And it wasn't, it wasn't something that I was consciously doing. I was working and stuff during the day and I was busy and I'd come and be like, I did a couple of loadings, but load outs.

For example, in London, I ran to the bar and I was meeting with the label and I was chatting to folk and missed the load out and I was a bit of a dick. So in that sense, I took advantage of poor wee Logan. Well, here's a sort of good idea that we could do. Number one, I'm going to say this right now on the podcast. Thank you for doing this, because I always forget to thank people, and this is a fucking first on the downbeat. It's going to be a big episode, the video and everything.

It's cool as fuck. Ten years overdue. But we can use the power of the downbeat because I'm sure there's people that listen to the podcast that are drummers. I can think of one off the top of my head, and I don't want to name drop him right. now but where you could say look if you want to learn how to be a drum tech come on the tour learn how to be a drum tech and i'll truck you some money at the end don't make him do it for fucking free but then that gives someone a job because since then since doing that tour josh jock you

what do you remember that band what band that was a band that made t-shirts that got people to crew for them for free do you remember that we're going to get into that hang whoa whoa whoa sorry you were um but josh did straight after me, Car bomb and now he's drum tech and sleep token is like he's now a drum tech, that's his fucking job. Amazing.

So if someone comes and does... If someone wants to meet out to me, we've literally just told you how to do a good job, so don't fuck out. So easy. There should be though. There should be like...

I remember I turned some stuff down when I was trying to be a drum tech when I was only architect's drum tech. That was a very brief period of time, wasn't it you were trying to do that? I did like three years with architects and then it was like, I did one show with Tesseract

and Tesseract expected a little bit more of me than architects, and I was like, oh no. I checked for Jay once. I drove the van and teched, and I set up his kit. They were doing a show in Donington, so I download, sorry. I did Sonosphere, probably the same summer. I think it was a different year. I could have sworn it was a different year.

Maybe it was. Fuck knows. Jay, do let us know. But I, we set up on the second stage, they played that, and then they had to go and do press, and I had to basically take Jay's kit down and move it They did like a second set on a smaller stage somewhere. Good old Foster,

milking more money at a live nation on your cell. I was just thinking about him actually, yeah. But I had to set up the kit on the second stage. And Jay was a little bit, like me, like yourself, very particular. And we were like, you know, I think he was kind of like, oh shit, is it going to be set up, right? And yeah, I set it up on that smaller stage

and he came back from press and sat down and was like, you fucking nailed this? This is absolutely perfect. He didn't move a thing. And that for me was a great moment. I'd only ever had teched for, Dan Wilden before just because I was at the same festival

and I wanted like a big drum kits that you've been taking for it and I was like well I've got my own I think it's kind of like I've got the fucking the best experience to start on that do you know what I mean but I think it was the knowing that I'd done that alright with Jay and then doing it all right with Dan and stuff as well

it's just it's just a nice feeling it's just fucking great your eyeball on this mixer here it is yeah it's just I'm just checking it is soul destroying though if you do a shy job well no just like if you're if you're in a band and your band's doing pretty good and then you go in drum tech like there's only if you do a full fucking tour it's like oh that could be me that could be fucking me yeah true true yeah drum tech and days are behind me that being said though if we were at a festival and you were there and you needed a hand I would more than I mean I would I like I like to call it tin tech now at this point that's what I yeah we used to do that back in the bay so I'll be like Reynolds do you want a hand I'll like I'll get some

videos from behind the kettle on my iPhone or whatever and I'll pass you a beer when you want to. The other thing I yeah. And then I'll be like you can fucking pack it down yourself but cheers for the backstage pass. Do you know what I had someone I'll remain nameless that helped me pack down once at a show and I was like and they were like do you want to hand packing down and I was like that's fucking really nice for you thank you and then um they packed and then were drummer and they packed every symbol stand like into you know its tiniest form I've got all my fucking memory locks and shit on there I didn't take the...

No, I didn't have memory locks but I just play straight stands so all of my stands just go, it gives me the fear with the rack when I start to see people like put the listening off and putting the boom arm in and then putting the thing down and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You don't understand. That's been 10 years making that. Anyway, I literally, my arsehold just clenched from that. Just, yeah, gross. Okay, so someone's going to drum tech for you now from that. Yeah, great. I look forward to receiving your message, whoever you may be. There's no real...

I've got stuff in my head that I want to talk about by the time. We'll do it. Fucking, we'll do it off the cuff. What? Is it a beer time yet? I'm fucking done. I'm waiting for you, so... Sorry with that.

Ali's... Made an asses of his table. At a lot of intermission. Yeah. In intermission while Ali's spilt beer. Cheers, mate. Imperial sour. called pucker and it will make you pucker.

So I've got a fucking fruit juice. Get that sour face. Can I get that face again? Can you have a little sup of that? Just wait a second, oh, sip of that? Just wait a little sip of that. Tell me how you feel.

To be fair, it's not the wast. That fucking face. It's very sour. Anyway, oh, Corey Taylor, shared one of your songs. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

Get close to that fucking microphone, please. Big CMFT. Corey motherfucker Taylor How did that well So yeah Come on

I think we had So like Stephen or guitarist looks looks after the social media pages And I think he noticed that his wife

started following the page And I think Cori Taylor started Yeah Alyssa So she started following And then Corey started following Before they

posted this Before he posted this And I think he kind of said Well this is pretty cool We were like Holy shit We're on the radar That's great

And then The phone went back in the pocket and then the fucking notifications started coming in and the phone was just going we went from 48,000 followers on our band page to 54 in the space of like a weekend. That's fucking sick.

It was, I mean, in terms of free press for a metal band you don't get much better. I mean, that is the best thing you can do, yeah. Slipknot fucking posting your shit. Because he doesn't really post that much either. All posts about is vended. The last time he done it, I think, was Code Orange and look at what happened with them. Do you know what I mean? And he took them out on tour and stuff like that.

So it was just great to see Do you know what I mean? We're not the fucking cool metal band by any means and now we're getting to a point where things are slowly starting to happen, do you know what I mean? But that's been, we've been a band 17 years now do you know what I mean? Three years, fucking 20 years fucking doing their shit.

I mean this in the nicest possible way. I've got two things actually. Number one, newest guy in the band is trusted with all the socials. Stephen lives for it. It's great. And we trust him in. How long has he been in the band? It's weird that he,

is, I don't even know. It honestly feels like the line-up that we have now is the one that we've been striving for us. Is that the last two records? Three. That's three. So Shrine Fracturing Eara are all Stephen. Those three are fucking good.

That's when the band started and most people tried. I mean, we did one when we had Martin Evans on guitar back in 2013. Fuck me, I forgot about that. Yeah, Martin was shout out mine. Shout out fucking wee Marty B. Who is Architect's Guitar Tech, if anyone does. doesn't know. I said Marty B there. He's actually Martin

Brandon Evans, so Marty B.E. Martin, MBE? Has he got one? Doubt it. Love you, Marley. But yeah, basically the band started and came back with those albums and it's been those three, you know, three

albums since 2018. That's been the line-up, that's been the fucking, the inspiring fucking lineup that we've wanted for ages and everyone's got their job and their fucking their part to play, you know? And Sneves is Steven, sorry. It's just Yeah, the daff name

in the band But yeah, his thing is social media And he loves it Do you know what I mean? You have to have somebody who is willing to be You know, I can't be on my phone More than I ought to damn With the job that I have

And just managing the band And just in general I'm constantly on the phone If I had to manage the social media accounts It would blow my fucking mind Why don't, you know You're doing your Twitch stuff and that It's like you spend so much time

On social media and it's, I mean, that is your job right enough but I think it just drains me too I mean I find it hard to to keep up and to do yeah but I'm not doing anything else I'm doing I'm bothering people at allotment for the downbeat and I'm doing the social media and then the band is like we just tour just tour yeah so I guess I guess there's levels to it and stuff but yeah so I steves just he really took it over I was doing it for ages and then eventually it was just kind of like he was always given great suggestions about captions and he was like oh what time we

we doing this with Tate and I was like I got to that point where I started delegating more things and I used to be so much more of a micro-manager than I'm now. I probably still do that. If you ask any of the guys, he probably still say that I do things that annoy them or whatever. But I think like being able to just know that he's got that covered and when it comes to visuals of Goonzie's making something for a video wall,

I don't even fucking look half the time. I'm like, I know that's going to look amazing. You know, he does all the visuals for bringing me and stuff. Yeah, he's a fucking machine. So you know he's got it down. And even when it comes to writing something, now like if Kennedy's got an idea or whatever's going on there or if Davy's doing artwork for the album it's just like I know all this stuff's just gonna look fucking

great and I almost distanced myself from just being like just just leave it to be what it is because ultimately even if you think there's something not right about it if the other four people in your band are happy with that then you're like right okay I trust your decision in this and it's you know with time it's always the right decision I've learned that so I feel like as well it's it's more burp there. And again. You wish you had headphones on so you could hear that.

I feel like the algorithm shit though. Like you know what you're saying about, do it at this time and all that stuff. I feel like more and more, I know people love to hate on the algorithm and all that shit, oh my shit's getting crushed. When you think of it,

I had a friend that worked at Facebook and he basically told me all of the fucking ins and outs of the algorithm. And when you think of it is like business-wise, it makes sense that it happens. so just use your fucking brain when you're posting stuff. So the stuff that he told me,

which was fucking valuable, which I will give to this podcast and to you. Yeah, sure the way. Because I don't give a fuck. Like the competition shit is like, who gives a fuck? So number one thing not to do is to outside link. Oh yeah.

In the comment. That's a bank, no go. Yeah. So because I know when you think of it from a business, it's taking people away from that website. which means the adverts get seen less. So it makes sense. It sucks, but it makes sense.

So number two is text in the actual image, because obviously they can scan for that. Even if there's a website, yeah, if there's a website in there. Now, stuff like Linkin Bio is in there. So in the caption, if you write Linkin Bio. It kills it? Yeah, because it's, again, yeah,

because they're just clever. They just went, well, that's taking people away from the site. But what overrides all of these things, is like, and you know when people are going mad for the, oh, sharing is worth 10 likes and all that shit that someone just fucking made up. That's bullshit. Yeah.

The reason a saved video does better is because it is better. Because if it's a type of video that people are going to save, it's the type of video that people are going to share and that's naturally going to do better. I've got some mental stats on, I believe, from within one that was done recently. We've started to notice this with videos. that Snev's been posting and every now and again he would just screenshot like a caption. So it seems to be some of the stuff that Goonzie and him have shot recently just because

Goonzie's got a decent camera. He's got one of those, you know, the rails that... Ooh, yeah. You know those things. And it tracks them, it tracks them as they're playing, so it's constantly in focus. Oh, fuck. I'm pretty sure. That's what happens. I make the shopping chat, but I'll get these... I mean, you just pick a focus point and then it fucking moves around. Let me see if I can get these stats, right? You might be, uh, yeah. Might be cutting here as I find. No, no cut.

I've already got to do so many cuts. You look really... I'm looking at you at the monitor. You look really nice. Really handsome. Hair looks good. Fucking out. That's a rare occasion, by the way.

This bloody main... You thought about just cutting it off? For charity. I did consider it at one point. What's the figure? Well, I would just open it up. It would just be... Yeah, but there must be a cap on it.

You ain't doing it for fucking 200 quid. I'll give you $200. I would just leave an open-ended fucking thing or whatever. I don't know. Imagine that. You probably get a lot. What would you do? I made fucking 500 quid when I'd done sober October

because nobody could believe that I could do it. You made it or you did it for charity? I made it. No, no, I didn't do it for myself. The charity of me. So I could go in one massive night out after a sober month. No, it was the McMillan.

McMillan thing, like the official sober October. Sorry, I'm still trying to find this image here. I've ended up on... It's one thing I've realised about. being sober is that I just can't fucking do it I can't do it what I can't do it being sober when were you sober well I tried to a couple of times I tried to have a sober week this week and I got exactly 26 hours into it and I had to be it I just can't do it it's my anti-anxiety medication see I am I'm definitely like I'm the worst person to talk about depression and anxiety and I mean

anxiety doesn't really affect me I think it's more depression but I think the the alcohol side of things is just that's where I run to straight away. And it's such an easy coping mechanism that it's at every fucking shop. You've got mates that fucking love doing it. And you know, you've built a reputation over the last however many years of getting fucked to help. You have. Exactly.

There's stories about you. And if you get really low, you just know you can text your mates and be like, let's go and get fucked up and nobody's going to bat an eyelid. So, you know, I mean, I felt that throughout lockdown. I think you've, you've touched on this stuff before and we've touched a bit on it. And yeah. Oh, my alcoholism,

really kicked in. I was good until lockdown happened and now it's like... I'm still trying to find this video. I'm so sorry. I'm giving up. We're talking about something else. I don't give a fuck.

We can still talk as long as you find the video while we're talking. It doesn't really matter. I need to find... I know who I sent it to. I sent it to him. Let's get this done in it the way,

right? This is one of the recent ones. I can't even remember what we're supposed to be talking about. What the video? Oh, you know what? I've leave video. I lost my phone,

so I've lost recent things that were sent. It was just a bleed from within video that reached like one and a half million accounts. It just went viral off. And I'm not, we're not even sure why. Do I mean? It wasn't, it wasn't a real. It wasn't a real. Yeah. It was just a video. The reels thing switched because they did what happened to try and beat TikTok is they put in a creator fund into Instagram, which they were paying people for reels. Not me, but they were paying some people. And so they were pushing reels like, fuck. And then the creator fund ran out of money and they stopped pushing the reels.

but I started doing reels like that shit Are you still doing reels at the moment? No, because they started performing worse than the videos. I guess because I've noticed that as well. I think Instagram realized TikTok's here to stay. It was like when Instagram stole stories off of Snapchat, they basically killed Snapchat. And so they thought they could do it with TikTok

and then they were like, obviously not going to work. Let's continue. Let's go because then Instagram brought back being able, I think you can see it in chronological order or whatever because they know that TikTok is now a different thing. Yeah. And I don't like the TikTokification. Nice.

TikTokification of Instagram. Great word. Because like when I'm scrolling down my Instagram, it's like everything is, ha! What when you get caught on the real feed? Oh, it just stays. Until you like it or say you don't like it.

I'm going back to like, you know, Snev doing his job and loving fucking social media and being able to do that. because I just don't have the patience. I still don't have TikTok. I don't have a TikTok account. I'm not, I just can't. I feel old now.

You know what I mean? I'm fucking 33. And I'm like, I need to get a new app and get used to how to use this. And I got one and I started using it. And I got two videos big viral and they both got deleted because TikTok is like,

oh, no, you can't possibly put that on there. I had a cool video, which I later saw some big famous TikTok person did about a year after me. I had a cool video. where I said it was basically, I was doing a bit, I'll reenact it right now, doing a bit of a person going, yeah, the vaccine?

Yeah, the vaccine. They were like, oh, yeah, a microchip in there. Yeah, I can't, yeah, you won't catch me putting that in my body. And then I leant down and did a big fat fucking line of Coke. And then it got deleted. It, like, popped off and then it got deleted. Well, drug paraphernalia. And then I saw some girl fucking did it.

I saw a few of them I'm pretty sure that was I was the instigator of that fucking joke but I don't care I've still got it and then the other thing that it doesn't

it's not conducive for my stuff I thought okay all of the funny shit I do on TikTok when I'm playing the drums I'll do like when I blast beat

over fucking Nicky Minaj and stuff like I'll put all that on TikTok but because of TikTok's history with copyright the copyright stuff on it's so bad they just take the video down straight away so I can't

do anything on this. I don't care that much. I don't get it as an app, really. I mean, obviously I understand. I understand it. And I guess I understand its potential and stuff. But it's just getting used to something new. It's not for me.

Unless, you know, I reckon at some point, Stephen's going to tell me or tell us, you know, we've got a plan for this. We should all be sharing this. Hashtag this. Just put that stuff up there. If you're sharing it from there, just share it from that platform.

Just keep it easy, keep it simple. That's another one. It's another thing. It's 12's another one. I don't fucking use. Oh, I love to wear. addicted to it. No, another thing my mate said, um,

don't share the same piece of content from multiple accounts because the algorithm squishes the fuck out of it. It knows that. Yeah, because, because, because, because people are stealing other people's viral videos and putting them up and then getting more views.

You have to make a separate piece of content for each one. Yeah, or so, or what we do is, we do a different edit or what we do is share different. If, if we got a single coming out, which has a different photo and it doesn't pick it up. And the other thing is don't edit,

if you're going to edit a photo, or if you're going to edit the caption. Try not fuck this on the table this time. I can see you're pouring it at a crazy angle. There you go. I think this is what you're meant to do, mate. Clearly not, actually, after the first thing. If you're editing,

if you need to edit the caption, don't edit a caption more than one minute after you've done it. Either delete the post and redo it or... Does that affect it that much? Yeah, because if you think about it, about it you could post a caption that gets everyone engaged which then pushes it to every single person's platform because everyone's liking it and then everyone's doing it and then you

could change that caption to either an advert or a fucking Nazi fucking thing or whatever and that's still the algorithm still pushing that so what happens when you edit a post is it it brings all engagement back down to zero do you know I think it's mental though in this day and age to be in a band or be a creator like these are the things that you have to know Let me tell you about the three fucking cameras in here So I can continue to have a job Yeah, the effort was pretty big You started setting up at five o'clock today

So yeah So you can stay in business I love it, I love this I love the fact this will be immortalised On the internet forever Our lovely little chat, our little hangout I love like making the quality better than other people Just because I think

You love that One up on someone No, not even one-upping, just like, the technology exists to do this. Why doesn't everyone's fucking podcast look like Christopher Nailen made it? Like, why wouldn't you fucking do that? They don't have a successful clothing brand, Craig. That's what's going on. This was all credit card purchase.

Sorry, I'll rephrase it. They can't pay off the credit cards. True, true, true. But it was during the pandemic. It was the Patreon. Shout out the Patreon. It's all an investment piece. I get it.

It's like a band. This is the same shit. You throw money at your band. I don't think, I don't. I don't think I'll recoup on the, all of this technology. Yeah. I don't,

Twitch will make it recoup, but for the podcast, it won't recoup, but the podcast is what brings people to the clothing and it's what brings people to me. It's a look there. Sometimes it is annoying, like,

to get out of, to, it's almost like having to drag yourself to work for something that isn't technically making you money right then. It goes back to what I was seeing, because I remember chatting to you about streaming and chatting about Twitch and stuff and that's something that

I'd kind of toyed with the idea of and I went through phases of making loads of content and filming myself on a GoPro and multi-track recording stuff and doing a little mix and making clips for Instagram being like, I'll post this one Monday. Get close to the mic, please, sorry. Yeah, so doing this on,

I'll post this one on Monday, post this one on Wednesday, post this on Friday and try and pick the best times, look at the insights, and I went through a period of doing that, streaming became the thing during lockdown and I was like I don't even know where to start and part of me just thought you should just fucking start with nothing and just see what it takes you kind of thing don't look at me was that a dog it was me it was me it was me kicking time

but yeah was this when you had a drum room when you didn't that's when I had the drum room at allotment so like well you should have done that I considered streaming and got it but like you're right like I think the investment to take up I guess this leads on to another point which is about the the edited videos and stuff that we for I'm massively against and... You're going there. It leads into this because you started to see like, you know, especially during lockdown where I was still able to access a drum room,

which I thought was great. And I did a few of these like Instajam things. I wasn't the first. I stole the idea off Eloy. And, you know, it was great engagement of stuff. And everyone was like, this is such a cool thing to do because we're all fucking locked in the house. I started doing that.

And then I was toying with the idea of twitching. Twitching. Twitching is a adjective. Is it? Twitching. Do you call it twitching? I thought it just meant I was twitching because I was fucking wrecked every day. No, I think you can call it that.

I don't think I have, but I think people do. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. I was a slip of the tongue. But yeah, so like, I don't know. I think, so I guess reasons why you wouldn't go into that is because other people's content is potentially so much better on yours. And I think that's a general feeling for maybe a lot of folk,

too what I mean? And I think, you know, maybe your playing isn't as good. That's one thing, but maybe it's just the app's, the quality of that content just isn't as great. and then you look at the way that the Twitch side of things leads directly into it feeds nicely into YouTube which is great like you do so you do your playthroughs live or whatever on the stream and then you can cut it and you can get it on YouTube as a standalone video which is fucking great one thing feeds the other and it's perfect that only works by the way if you don't edit your drums otherwise you're fuck but as a as a concept it's fucking perfect because you kill two bows with one stone I'm doing a stream which potentially hopefully makes me some money and then you're a concept it's fucking perfect because I do you kill two bows with one stone I'm doing a stream which potentially hopefully makes me some money and then It goes on YouTube, which will make money over free. Yeah, but the thing with the YouTube, if I was making, I shout out to anyone

who's like a real YouTube content creator. We should discuss some good YouTube jubles. The amount of fucking, like, money that you get, if I was setting up all these fucking cameras, like I do this, because I love it, the podcast, I love it, but like setting up all the shit to record a drum cover to then get 30 bucks. is like, it's crazy.

I told you about the one that I did. I did like a bleed from within drum cam from Bloodstock last year. It's like the full 40 for my 45 minute set. And because our sound guy mixed it with vocals and mixed it so well, Sony, actually, our old record label, I actually picked it up and flagged each song so I couldn't monetize the drum cam.

And I was like, bastards. That algorithm is clever as fuck at the moment because they can tell the chord progressions now. So it comes up, is this a cover song? And then you end up, it's kind of cool. You end up splitting it. You need you dispute it, though, isn't you? You need to say, well, this is different to the actual version.

So if you mix it very drum-heavy, then you can get away with it saying it's for educational purposes and you can actually monetise it. But sometimes they'll pick it up and then they'll go, oh, he's obviously doing a cover, and then they split the money, so you get half and whoever wrote it got half. So it's weird. It's so, if I, if I,

didn't have the clothing line i wouldn't do any of this because the clothing line actually gives me money yeah that's and all these other things people get into my brand cringe or like or just like fucking wanting to support me or whatever and then they buy a t-shirt and then it gives me money thank you um but if i was doing like all of this work it's a lot five hours today to make this like i love it obviously i love it i love having the chat i love talking about drugs or whatever. Yeah. But like,

it's such a hard graft for like my, my YouTube and I, I probably post three videos a week. But yours is taking, you're doing the same thing we were talking about, you're taking it from Twitch and you're getting the videos,

right? Which is, which is the right way to do it. In my eyes, if you're going to do it, because I've tried, or I've looked, explored the idea of doing YouTube.

And I bought, I recently just sold the camera back to my dad today as I came back to Glasgow. I bought it about fucking three or four years ago. And I bought a little gimbal arm and I was like,

like right, I'm going to actually documented my time at the Manchester drum show when I done a clinic there. I filmed the entire thing. Just didn't even, but like I did that. I filmed, I filmed my rehearsal process, my all that sort of shit. I was going to do a little series of videos building up to it. And when I looked at all the footage, I was like, I cannot be fucked. And I don't even have the time. And I was like, what is the return off this other than, is it self gratification?

Is it an ego thing? Have I just feeding my own evil being like, do people actually want to see this? You can just do it for free on Instagram as you go And the stories are Exactly And what I did a couple of times Was I thought You know what I'm going to make a fucking hard pass

I'm going to fucking go for YouTube I'm going to do it I'm going to do day in the life and all this shit And I did like a walkthrough of my entire studio set up For streaming Which is fucking valuable information Yeah

Like how I do it Two computers The cameras all of the shit And I did it and it took fucking ages to do because you have to, this is my, my,

I'm like, I'm an analog digital guy. Like, as you saw earlier, I plugged this into this. So I plugged my audio into my video, so I'm getting a hard bake video. So I,

my editing is, hard big. That was a one day's never fucking heard. Is, what, as in the audio is baked into the video that I've got. So I don't have to do any fucking editing later on.

So when I have to do anything like that, like extra, fucking work. So doing my walkthrough play through, my walkthrough of my studio, putting a little fucking card in the camera and then charging sure the battery is charged and then filming all the shit

and then making sure that the shot is and then, oh, this shot's wobbly so I'll put some image stabilization and all that shit and doing all of that fucking shit. And then you put it on the internet and it's like valuable fucking information that when I was starting, I would have paid someone five,

500 pounds to tell me. I know if I'm not going to say you'd come straight to you if I'd start. And I'd tell you, I wouldn't tell fucking anyone. But to do all that and then get fucking literally, I got $12 from that video. And so I deleted it. I deleted the video. It's like that information is worth far more than $12. I'm not putting out of there for free for some fucking enemy to use.

But it's a graft. And it's the stuff. And it's respect to anyone that does it. I mean, everything that you do with your stuff I've always respected. I think what you've made out of yourself, essentially, and the idea for the downbeat. I remember, like, we spoke about it earlier

when you first started this podcast and you had an idea, and I remember the stickogram thing, and I was like, that's pretty cool. And, like, to think about where you've... That's a trademark now. Yeah, there you go. Because some cunt tried to...

That was fucking cheap. But, like, yeah, I think, like, anyone that does it, and, you know, I respect your ability and drive to just do what you've done and make something out of that but then you know oh it's running out i think this is it's getting right i'm fucking is that shout to the patreon to go fucking no but the page the patron is like is the reason is it's the reason i spent five hours to set this up because the patron is like now it's it's only one pound but it's so many people on it it's like it's good money it's paying for the room and it pays like a little

bit of my mortgage so it's fucking amazing yeah so and then that's the way it should go and i think like going on to what i was saying there i think that should apply to that's what i hope that's what i hope happens to the really good YouTube drummers that, you know. Who you got? You alluded to this. Who's your YouTube? Troy fucking Wright. Who? Troy Fucking right. But he's a real drummer, isn't it?

He's a fucking real drummer. I mean, I don't, I mean, when I talk about YouTube drummers, I'm just thinking of, straight away, I think Troy Wright, I think it was medleys, the most insane fucking, those Meshuggah medleys, oh my God. They're mounted, if I'm smashed at someone's house somewhere and they're like,

do you want to put something on YouTube? And they're listening and like, I don't know, fucking Martin Garex or some fucking Calvin Harris. I'm like, give me that fucking remote. And like, what's your fucking, what's your fucking mischurching on at house party? Everyone's fucking dry right mishogger medley. Everyone's gacked out their tits and you were putting on.

Yeah, they don't even know. There's jarring drum beats. They're like, oh, it's a Cepx twin. You're like, fucking shut up. Yeah, it's, honestly, I could watch these videos all day. I think Crim is a fucking great. These are real drummers. Crim's like YouTube as fuck

because he does like a day in the life and a day on two. And actually a video that Crim made inspired me for a recent purchase where I bought a Pelly case, a 16.15. Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it and I'm doing it.

It fucking works. So you can put your pedals in a soft case and you have 14 by six and a half snare drum in a soft case. And I have all the extra clamps that I need like I need an extra high hat one. I've got a little one for offset Tom's. I've got a fucking something else.

I've got sticks. I got given 200 cigarettes in Czech Republic recently. They live in there. It holds my reflex pads. It all lives in this one fucking flight case, and it weighs 27 kilos. Fly legally can fly it. Yeah, if you got a bell brass.

Well, that's why you need to get yourself a Yamaha one that weighs the same as a paperweight. When I put the fucking peril reference in there, it's the same weight as a bellbrass. Pretty much. All right. And the bag went from 26.5 to 31. It was like, for shit.

You can still do though, can't you? Yeah, 32 is legal. All right. Goes up to 32. Oh, that's good. What's the, what's the, I mean, it's not a plug because Pelly ain't given a shit for free. No, they're not. Please give a shit for free.

Yeah, it's a Pelly case 1615. But it's the Pelly air you have to get because those, they're way fucking nothing. I've got a normal Pelly for the podcast stuff. Shout out to Crim, because it was, I literally watched one of his videos because I've seen him at Fests set up his shit before and there's like nothing there. He's just got like a little bag. You never got a drum tech. as well.

Never got a fucking tech. So I was kind of curious to see how does he do all the fly shows? And I saw him like, you know, the video starts with him just standing with his bag on in a symbol case and a fucking flight case.

And I was looking at myself, you know, going to like juggling all the back. I reckon that's why my back's fucked other than breaking it. I've been falling from a height onto said back. My original back,

my original back. My original back. My original back being fucked. Was from, it was from fucking. I used to, fuck me. I used to, I was in a band

It's crazy what you do for like The love of it when you're a kid Yeah, we can go on on this And then you like Then so I used to go From Reading to Newbury Which is, you know It's a fucking, it's probably a 40 minute

No 35 minute train But I would go with snare cymbals To go to band practice And where we practiced Was so far away from the station That I would walk with snare symbols pedals like symbols on a symbol bag like over my shoulder i used i had to get my mom or dad to drive me and it was taxis i would walk just fucking you're gonna fucking numpty bad badly loaded walk all the way to the

practice from and then do a full practice and then this was i used to play a man called drivers against like a punk band and then lu can like just hardcore bands back in the day this is like 2003 and I would just do it and I just fucking love it I just love everything about it now you try and get and I fucking love playing the drums right

but now you try and get me to do that I think that's what drove me to be like fuck you pay me now like drummers do the most shit for the least amount of money and the least amount of glory

you get paid for what? What? Come on somebody's fucking being you you can't None. No.

Yeah, I think, like he said, the love of the craft and putting ourselves through that. And I remember, like, the early shows for me were, like, snares in Tesco bags and stuff. Like, I used to take... What the fuck?

Snares in a Tesco bag? I used to take... A snare in a Tesco bag. Get this. I used to take my peril export snare. Like, you know, the one that comes with the kit? I used to be like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. What era? Is this, when it came with a steel snare or when it came with the one that matched... when it came with it actually. Wedden. In a fucking plastic bag. In a plastic bag?

I had a, it was an IKEA bag and I used to have that in there and I'd put in like a towel, change of clothes and whatever else because I've always been a sweat of cunt. And yeah, and then I used to have a hold all like just a big duffel bag basically with extra symbol stands because every studio we'd practice and had three stands. And even from day one, I was a fucking symbol loving cunt. And I had, yeah, just a silly set. I remember we played with you in like fucking 2000. But the first gig, do you remember our first gig together?

Was it Eddie's? Was that our first? No, there was another, there was another little weird one. Oh, it was definitely weird. Little weird. It wasn't Hull Metal Fest, was it? No, no, it was a small, small venue. Small venue. And we did one show together and it must have been 2009.

And you just take one look at me and go, what's that, can't do in with all those symbols? No, but then you fucking ripped it. But it was like, how old are you now? 33. You're 33. So it was, when we were at that, age, how weird is this?

Why age you? I'm 35. Right. But there's a, no, but you're 33 and 35 are the same fucking age. Right. But this is my point. This is my point.

When you're like, I must have been 18, so you must have been 16. So at the time, it was like, man, this kid fucking shreds. And then now it's like, I'm two years older than you. And now you're looking at me like, fucking, I know why your kit went from Viatchafi to just do do do do yeah fuck that shit and now you're looking

at me and you're like Ali you can't be ass setting up your kit do you want to know why I'm a million symbols mate I can't I got nothing and I can't be ass

to take my fucking drum kit up yeah my I need a tech because of my fucking back though and we're talking about my back being fucked oh you get medical reasons

now Jesus yeah but I have to pay out my own money the band doesn't pay yeah everyone's always kind of accepted

and bleed from within and I guess does it make siloos it's not so much but we have labor too everyone's accepted and bleed from within like if we get any member of crew it will be a drum tech first for Alley and I think they've kind of

that's what we've done but that drum tech will always be a hand on stage. I think it makes the most sense and there's so many bands that don't do it they do a guitar tech first the drum the drummer needs the help every fucking day. It's fucking crazy. And even if it's like you know like I said I kind of abused my

privileges on the last headline run but I think like having a tech on this European run the person who's going to message me after this fucking podcast honestly that's gonna happen that'll be like uh just having someone to help is what i want to and that's what logan kind of realized as well when i i'm always there to kind of i'll come and maybe help at the end of the setup or i'll help take some stuff down and get stuff in the certain bags or whatever and help to load out and load in it's kind of like i don't want someone to do

everything for me i don't want fucking spoon fed that's never really been me to be honest i think my oCD doesn't even really allow it you know but to have wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Wait, wait, wait. You, you do some shit still when you have a drum tech? Yeah. What do you do? And how much you paying the drum tank? I mean, an example is setting up the rack, always.

I'll just, I'll help Logan, even when he was there. And even if he didn't want me to do it, I know he's more than capable. No, no, wait. If I'm paying, do everything for me, please. If anything, I just get to talk to him about the drums and just be like, oh, well, I hope this fucking stays like this and have we got this angle right? And that's looking good. And I just get to kick out for a bit with somebody that actually gives us

because if I try and talk to any other member of the band, they're like, I know one gives a fuck, mate. So I enjoy that little geeky time with whoever's take. Okay, so this is where we differ, and this is what we can talk about. We can go on to a segue. Right.

About that. This is the chunks that we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the thing that I want to talk about right now. Right. Right. What are you laughing at? We're going to talk about what I want to talk about.

This is my fucking podcast. Right. We're going to talk about what I'm the fucking guest. What I'm going to talk about. Then we're going to talk about. Silosis and Blea from within Right combined Okay

Or just, and we'll talk about solosis And then we're going to talk about the new album, recording the new album And then we're going to do your dream festival So you're here for another fucking hour There's a long episode

Well, there's always a cat's outside I've got so many fucking cans Okay, so what I wanted to talk about Just fucking then was my, so what did you do on tour

like the reason I love a tech other than the fact that it's not like I can deadlift, I can do this, I can do that, my back doesn't hurt. see the minute that's me being Scottish now

see the fucking minute see the minute the minute I have to like tighten something like this or load something in like that or put a drum like that like an awkward load my back just goes nope fucked up like I said earlier you need it for medical reasons I don't

none of that shit bothers me but you're right the primary reason for a tech for me is making sure nothing fucking falls over during like mid gig that's the main thing like if something that's your primary reason that's my least I can pick that up but you've got fucking a million symbols

Oh China 3 fucking follow Oh no Maybe I could play China 2 instead But you can't be playing China 2 In the battles on China 1 Do you know what I mean? Can't even be saying that What if Spash 1 goes

You can't be writing it on splash 2 The muscle memory Although when the muscle memory goes You go oh my God In some of the films I've got now I'm like are you kidding me on that's can it be happening when that symbol just goes you my my favorite thing on earth is like it's obviously just to go back to your point it's obviously fucking setting up and taking down i mean that's the

and the main one is taken down especially if you're headlining if you i mean i would i've taken a support to us a bit of a fucking blag but if you're headlining and you come off that stage after i'm about to go on a yeah fuck yeah i do you know i mean i mean it now right because you're you're an old fuck and you're never bit as bleed as bleat and this is not like like a slight or anything has bleed done america no no we've never done this so that would definitely happen at some point but america does it so differently everyone has text everyone in every fucking band has text everyone and the tex in america they do it fucking cheap they've got a guy a guy who makes the tea for the guy who makes the coffee kind of they do

they do like a fucking oh it's fucking 300 bucks a week he's like okay i'll fucking give you that 300 dollars a week everyone's got well because when you add it up it's four weeks it's 1200 bucks like yeah what that's good I'll pay that I mean it's all right but to be away fucking slum on it in the back of fucking van or whatever for I mean

yeah I was unsure what you were what side you were on there but some people look at that 1200 bucks yeah but I'm on the side of pay them fucking more if somebody was teching for Marrick I would not be giving somebody $300 a week it's just different there and all bands have have drum techs

and like but in the UK for some weird reason it's like you just set your own shit up. It seemed to be like something that you get at a certain point and I get you know first of all you have to be able to afford it and we're finally getting to a stage where we can afford like an extra member of crew and that just we've all kind of agreed it would be a tech to help me but then somebody that's there on stage to just you just need a fucking what you need is one of those fucking nerds who are like I just want to fucking that and which I was if you'd have me when I was 16 the guys with a little vets when I was 16 if someone would have turned around and I'm like you're on this tour as a drum tech.

you're getting $1,200 a month, which is a lot of money if you're fucking, you don't have a fucking job that you don't, you have a job that you fucking hate. 1,200 bucks a month, set up the drums, set up all the guitars, do all the loading and do all the loading out. Like, how would have fucking done it?

I'm not going to take advantage of people like that. But back to your point about the $1,200 not being enough. It's not enough. I don't think it's not enough. But I just are expected to be more. But it comes out of the drummer's pocket. Oh, that changed it. So, yeah.

So it's like, I don't know if it's different UK slash America, you pay for your own tech out of your money, in my experience anyway. So it's like, yeah, we would have to make money costs for that. Me taking $1,200 out of my, out of my monthly, plus like the amount of day passes at the gym I use and stuff.

Like, our last tour, it's fucking broke even. But it's like, I loved it. It was great fun. And I had much more... It was almost like I was on vacation because I had so much fun because I had that drum deck. So it was like...

I came home and I was like, well, didn't make any money, but it was shit. I had a great fucking time. I had a great time. And you know what? Because of that, I was... I came home, recharged. And then when I worked on the downbeat and my merch shit,

which makes me money... You don't need the two days. Which used to be... Because traveling has fucked me, you know, post... post-COVID. I used to be able to... to go, I used to work in a bar. I used to do like a bar and a car wash

and used to do random fucking cash and hand jobs here, there and everywhere just to support the band and allow myself to tour. But when I used to come back from tour, I would sometimes get back at like, I don't know, 10 or 11 in the morning after a fucking 20-odd hour drive from Germany. And that night, I'd be like texting the bar saying,

yep, I'm good to work. And I just used to go straight into work and, you know, that shift. How old? That's when I was early 20s coming in, like, late teens and early 20s. Prime era. And it used to be,

I remember working with Elasi. I can't remember her name, but she used to do merch for bands. I can't even remember the band she used to work with now. She'd been out on merch. She used to do merch for like Brian Adams and stuff like that. And at the time she was in her early 30s. And I remember her tell me at that point being like,

this will change. And she's like, when I come back from tours, I need to take two at three days. I was like, why the fuck do you need to do that? I'm young as fuck. I'm always going to be young. And then, yeah, I noticed. I can't remember when that shift was.

I remember it happened at some point before COVID, but it was never as bad. But now post-COVIDs, I need two fucking days to sit on my ass and do nothing. Do you mean post-lockdown? Sorry, post-you-mea. Post-locked. Have you got fucking long?

Sorry, yeah, I'll clarify, post-lockdown. I mean, being away from it for that long. And that's when you truly appreciated how much live music actually means to you as a person. But on the flip, on the flip, exactly what you're saying, I think a lot of us, me personally

like and a lot of people a lot of us me personally rare by me um like we realized

how hard we work when we work and how taxing it is and like there was a point during the lockdowns when I'd figured out the Twitch and I'd figured out

everything else and you know I was making I'd I basically figured out a new job out of the whole thing. And in my head, I was like, fuck me. It's going to take a bit for me to want to go on tour. To do all the fucking shit.

And then luckily for me, I broke my fucking back. So I can't, in my head before any of this happened, I was like, I can't go back to touring in a van because I would just rather be at home. Touring in a van fucking sucks. It is hard, fucking work. We have done that up until like our last, European tour. We did

end of 2019 so yeah a couple of months before COVID kicked off and lockdown started and we did three weeks in Europe in a van with hotels every night and driving each night and each day and you're talking you're talking like everyone's got like the Gunzee Kennedy and Davey

have got like full time jobs doing the digital animation stuff I've got a full time job working with allotment like it was fucking horrendous and you're juggling driving the van getting up at 6am to get to the venue on time swore. Swole. with the front of house TM guy and being like,

can you please drive? Because I have to reply to all these emails that just came in like driving with a headset and talking, then getting to a venue and having to go in set up sound check, move your kit because we were supporting. Like, it's not sustainable. But the thing that fucked me up the most,

I think was just not traveling because I couldn't, even though like I got comfortable during lockdown and I did enjoy that sort of period, that respite almost being like, holy shit, right? We're totally out of this now. And you know, that point when everyone thought summer was coming back, but was it fuck? And then it went on and then it went on.

that's when I started to realize that how much just playing live actually meant to me and how much I fucking need to tour, sort of almost regardless of how we do it, it was always like a thing for me. Playing live is the reason that you do this. Really, like making music's great fun. Like we all make music, but ultimately you're making it to perform it. That's the end goal. And that really fucking hit home.

That's when the sort of depression starts kicking in. That's when you were like, holy shit, when's it coming back? I'm stuck here. I don't have any gigs. How did that go for you? When it got bad? Why? Just give me the timeline of mental state. It got worse at the end of 2020 because I moved from Reading

where I'd been living with one of my best mates, basically, by this point in the time that I was living together with Dave. Big legend. Big legend. Big legend. Big legend. Six four, six five or son. Nine foot legend. Absolutely mountainer.

I can't. But he was with his Mrs. Lucy as well, the fucking two of them together. They were my housemates essentially and it was fucking great. But I moved out of that into my own flat myself in Brighton, waiting for my girlfriend to move over from Germany

to join me. And I moved out at the end of November and she wasn't coming over until the middle of January. See that fucking period myself. November to January? Not even that long. It's not even, it felt.

That's when you started doing the thing where I was still working. So it's November 2020, sorry? Yeah, November 2020 to middle of January, 2021. on and that's when it really hit for me so it kind of been bad and me and David's done our sort of binging period and you know that when lockdown first kind of kicked in it'd be like a Wednesday night and we'd be sitting there and be like do I go and get a fucking case of Lager and he'd be like fucking let's do it there was a shop next to us in redden as well it's so buckfast done that oh wow done that

on more than one occasion yeah dangerous so like all that shit had happened but at the end of the at the end of the year when I moved into that flat myself in brighton and I've got some really close mates down there, but there was just something about going to bed every night and waking up every night and being in a one bedroom flat myself with no furniture in it that was just like at a really shit dark time of year. I couldn't have fucking done that. At a time of year where you're typically

on tour, like December, every Europe, December every year you would be on a European winter tour. It just fucking happens. And I think up until that point we'd been on like the last four or five years that'd been a tour at that time of year. And it was just the fucking the Zoom quizzes every Friday night,

but you were building up to every weekend like that. and, you know, if you wanted to go to a mate's house in Brighton, it was all on the fly. And it was just a horrible time, man. And it was just a binge, and it was horrible, and it was a three-day hangover. The binge fucking happened. I binged, and I'm still like,

still like, it's now my go-to. Because it was fucking tough. I was super fucking lucky. What you mentioned earlier was just like, oh, I thought you were just seeing the misses. I went to see the misses in March 2019. Is that when it was? No, March 2020.

I went to see the misses. And then the lockdowns happened. And I got stuck here. And then there was just, oh, actually, I'm just going to fucking stay here. But like, if I didn't have that, there was a brief period of the pandemic where I was living with my ex-wife in the same house.

And that's when I was like, I need, it was like, it was, that was pre-pandemic. But it was like shit's scary and weird. Yeah. So going. to, like, if I'd have been there. Yourself?

Yeah, there's no fucking way. I'd be going, I'd be Googling, shotgun. Shotgun with... How to tie a noose! Shotgun. I don't think I could do that one, but I could blow my fucking head off. Yeah, a noose is a bad way to go.

But yeah, I mean, that was, you know, I think, and like, kind of talking to other folk about feeling low and whatever else, I was like, look, I'm not an advocate or not an advocate. I'm not a... voice of reason on this by any means because in those moments that's where I was kind of tested and I was still doing home workouts

and stuff of that and I was really into them but that moment came on a Thursday, Friday Saturday night sometimes it would come on a Tuesday night we were just sitting there and you'd be like oh my God and then I got COVID in the middle of it all so you couldn't even see anyone even the people I was seeing who I wasn't supposed to be seen because you couldn't fucking you were just there in the house yourself and you're getting the

fucking deliveroo drivers to drop off fucking 10 cans fialdi along with your weekly shop it was it was horrible you know i think there's a weakness in that and i think it's like reflecting on it now there's you know i've definitely i don't think there's a there's a better a better relationship with alcohol now and that now alcohol is like a hobby to me and it's actually quite fun i enjoy these cans try not to beat the asses it every weekend we are we going for another can i mean absolutely but also my my thing is i mean i realize i'll be honest with everyone uh the pandemic i drank every single

day. I was drunk. One point there. I just think I should give context to alcohol being a hobby. I just realized how that sounded out of context. No, but like a hobby. I've just started a like drinks review page, which you've probably seen, like Ali drinks can. The page is Allie eats drums and they also have...

Allie drinks cans. I can't believe it wasn't Ali eats cans. I don't know. Allie drinks cans, I'll eat drums. I don't know. I guess. Somebody told me to do that so I went with it. But like, that's literally something that I went with it. I don't know. enjoy finding these breweries like

fucking uh drop project pressure drop fucking overtone all the ones that we love that do all the hazy things like that is genuinely something that I enjoy going a nice craft beer shop and finding that and then you sample them and you can have three or four in a night and have a buzz because they're all strong as fuck but it's not like well let's

get 20 bud wise on get fucking sparkle my big one was kicking the old fucking ah that one that was a fucking pandemic spectacular and now it's like that money for that mate so now it's been like fucking well i've got a successful clothing line which you'll be pleased to know that none of that money goes there anymore

um i just you know what i've noticed even like i tried micro dosing and i tried macro dosing like mushrooms to try and fucking help with my head being fucked what i've realized is i just love to be fucked up so like yeah i could not go down that route because i think i thought i tried mushrooms recently and that is just not for it's the same way I don't smoke weed at all I can't smoke weed anymore it just turns me in a cabbage

all I want to do is sit in the fucking corner listen to two and just not talk to anyone do you know what I mean it just makes me go in on myself do you want to smoke weed right out have you got weed I'm not smoking my first joint in like fucking seven years on this fucking I don't have weed

we're in a country that has weed the nah but the mushroom thing is like it was helping me load and it was like because I was taking it in a micro like a tiny little micro dose in the morning and then what i realized was just like a couple of well like when i ran out because it's hard to fucking get it when i ran out it was like

oh i feel like shit again and it was like oh of course i felt better i was on drugs all of the fucking time so now i'm like i'll drink i drink i drink maybe one beer a night and that's like there's an occasion like this and i'm off everything else and it's pretty fucking good for my brain my brain what what happens with me with any drug is three days later it's like a it's like a fucking sign of a real imbalance with with your brain is like three days later i am like suicidal like you get the bad day the day after a bit hungover or whatever and mine is the second day after the day after that's the worst when you've got no brain and that that's when you that's when you question like why are doing this i'm absolutely nothing i'm worthless i've i've fucked it and it and it's

guilt and it's everything, it's everything else. And that's, yeah, that's where all the best split from within song lyrics come from right there. Oh shit, so you gotta keep doing it. Okay, so talk to me about how you joined psilosis.

How did that come about? How is it? How's working with Josh? Because I've worked with him. It's a fucking nightmare. Well, he's not as bad anymore. Bless him. Really? No, he's great. He's great.

I do enjoy working with Josh. I think the thing I enjoy most of him. It's not a nightmare. I feel bad for saying that. It's just very particular. came straight in and went, oh, he's an asshole, you would have back me up. My new Josh is just Will Puckney, so it doesn't matter. It's a producer-gatarist thing.

I want you to do this and just fucking do it. The thing I love about Josh is he has a great understanding of drums, and he always says he's a great songwriter, and I'm an old guitar player. And I love what he writes. There's very little that I would disagree with in the drum parts. There are certain things, and when I first joined, which was, what, 2015, you'd maybe butt heads. But then he'd never really, I guess by the point that Rob,

was leaving. Rob was quite, what's the word, placid movie? I think Rob just, he'd given up caring, really, towards the end. I don't,

I think Josh wrote all of Josh's, all of Rob's drafts. And especially towards the end, you know, Rob, if you listen, love you mate, but I know that,

you know, he was tapping out towards the end and he's like, I just can't be fucked anymore and he's just, his heart wasn't in it. So when I joined, it was kind of like,

there was a drummer who gave a fuck. And Josh was like, yeah, do this. And I was like, I'm no fucking doing that. That's crap. you know what's funny about the tap out is like at the time i remember thinking

holy shit he is like who would do that like silos is fucking yeah silosis is fucking incredible like why would you do that and then now i'm like i just i get it he did a different thing he did a different job and it's like the security you get from that yeah something the pandemic makes sense made me get it, or we touched on it earlier on,

it made me get it like, oh, okay, being secure is kind of sick. But that's how I ended up joining, basically, because Rob was in that position, and I think it was just a new job that he couldn't take time away from. So it was a devil-driver tour with Silasus' main support and Bleed from Within opening. Double duty? It was double duty.

Hey, fucking legend. That's difficult. I got the shout two weeks before the tour, and it was basically, I think it may have been Foster at a time or it might have been Josh and they were like... Didn't you fill in

because he pulled out on a tour before that? No, that was the tour. That was the tour. Oh, I'm sure he like quit halfway through the tour that you were already on together. No, no, no. That's just the rumor mill.

It was before the tour started and it was about 10 days to two weeks before the tour and he said he couldn't do it and then they called me and luckily at the time we'd... What year was that? 2014, 15,

kind of thing. We'd played a lot of festivals and shows together and growing up, everybody knew Terras, everybody knew in PEO, you knew a conclusion of an age just from being fucking around the scene in that time. You roughly knew how the songs went together. So I was like, what songs are in your set? And they told me a few that I didn't know. And I was like, all what state's the consciousness? And Josh was like, I didn't really want to play that live. It's seven minutes long. And I was like, I know that song, I've always liked it. Can we file this in the set or whatever? And yeah, I did double duty. So I jumped on... fucking rules.

Oh, mate, it's still my favourite siloic this song. It has to be said. Do you want to wipe that up? Yeah, can you get me anything to wipe that up? We'll just leave this on the pod, though. I've spilled my beer, I'm pissed up now. Yeah, so I did it earlier and I felt really bad.

I'm just going to leave this here, right? It's my fucking table, though. No, don't put that in the shot. I don't want fucking kitchen roll in my shot. Went from Nolan. Bloody, bloody amateur. Jesus Christ. Went from Nolan to fucking Wes Anderson.

I'm about two settings. Kid on. I do love Wes Anderson. Sorry, that's how... I'll grade it like Wes Anderson. Just that scene. Just that happened. I don't know why that was grading.

Whatever. I was thinking of Ailer Dogs. Doesn't matter. We're talking about Allstate's Consciousness, Siloses. Best Siloosis song ever. But yeah, that's how I joined... I filled in for them, basically, on that tour. And it went well.

I think, other than me and Bailey, driving Josh and Carol, absolutely mental every night, getting shit-faced. There's some drum cams from that tour, right? And you are nailing it. Yeah, and it was fun and it was different. You know, a lot of...

Rob was very thrashy with his films, so very like... And I split everything up with hands and... He does a... Rob is very sped-up EastEnders' Phil. What a great analogy. That is literally...

It's not mine analogy. That analogy is from Mr. Michael Pittman from Zerath. who I fucking hope they come back. I think they did one single recently. I need that band to come back. Yeah. They needed to come back. That album that they did was fucking incredible. Like UK metal that was two and three. Zara three. They track the drums in my drum studio. For both things? No, just for three. But man, that album, if anyone doesn't know it, it's spelled X-E-R-A-T-H. It's like Dev in Town, then meets extreme meets like fusion shit

yeah old path as fuck at times like proper like coast reveries black water parks and shit you know what fuck them it's just being just just I'm gonna just just sign into a label that they shouldn't have signed to

we've been there that came at the other side fucking everyone and there's big big labels where you sign to them and you think well this is it and it's like they don't push the bands that are actually fucking sick small fish big pond in it

in that point that's just a shame it's horrible to see it happen especially a band is talented is that they were fucking great if they had I tell you what

if Zerath had joined Sumerian fucking perifery big right now just it's so weird that a label wild that way as well like to be in a band

and to push on they are fucking freaks he had a play through in your studio did you not yeah I remember that it was at the end of tracking that album he was fucking nuts

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Empea. I used to think you were good. I used to not be good and now I am. But the heart machine ones and there's a couple of actual ones that are edited. Not like crazy edited, but like clean stuff up. I mentioned this earlier. There's parts. I did a bit on a bleed from that album that I can't play.

We'll get into that in a minute when we talked about that album. We were talking about psilosis and that joining process. That's how it started. I did that fill in tour. So that was double duty. That was really interesting. So that was bleed from within half hour. I'd go and stand next to stage for half an hour

or 20 minutes or whatever it was. What did you do in that time? Well, it just didn't change. I would literally just go off stage and everyone was so, like, even the crew for Devil Driver and just everybody was like, this is fucking nuts. You're doing sets for both bands.

And I was like, it's not that bad. We'd have been playing for however long. And because the adrenaline. The feet. But luckily, siloysis were after. So I was warmed up for silos, which was better. If silosis is,

it would have been first, it would have been worse. You know what I mean? I guess you're playing the songs you know off the fucking back of your hand. Exactly. So it's muscle memory there. You get nice and warmed up. It's only six songs.

It'll bleed from within. And then I'd come back for what nine songs. Would you warm up before bleed? Or would you treat wheat bleed like a ball up? And I didn't drink for about the first five or six days of the tour when I was doing the double duty. And then I had one night where I went out with Bailey. Shout out Bailey.

Alex Bailey. We used to be in viatch feet. He's in psilosis. Absolutely. books at a lot, man. Fucking absolute reprobate, but also the best guy in the planet. Yeah, the most insane.

I'm trying to like... Most insane. It's just like a fucking cartoon character. Guitarist, piano player, drinker, partier, just the ultimate wingman, just fucking absolute menace to society, but just... So insanely handsome.

Insanely handsome. But despite being like a wrecked. Less than 10% body fat when he just drinks like a fish, it needs... McDonald's for every meal of the day. If he'd have pursued his like genetic potential, he could be like Mr. Olympia bodybuilder. Yeah. But he doesn't. He just fucking drinks.

So yeah, fucking, um, why did we get on a Bailey again? What did I say? We talked about soloises. You're talking about drinking. He went out one night. Yeah, one night with Bailey. And we did what we did, which was get smashed. And I came back the next day. And I remember before I went to bed, I had the fear before I went to sleep. I was like, I've got two cents tomorrow. This is going to be hell. Oh my God. He's going to be the worst thing ever. And then I woke up the next day and I was like, I feel dogshed, oh my God, you know, you run to cater and you drink five bottles of water and you have some, you know, five cheese and ham sandwiches and a big bucket of crisps. And you're drinking red bulls all day.

And then I played the two sets and I was like, yeah, that was easy. And then I just got fucked for the rest of the tour. And that's when, you know, I could see Josh Cotton playing it by the end of the tour. He was like, oh, fuck, I was going to ask this guy who wants to drum, but look at the state of him and Bailey right now. I think I got, I got texted about that. Yeah. I mean, do you drink before you play? That's the side.

Never. Never. used to and I do not touch it the most it happened once in recent memory when Bleed for Minen were supporting Skindred in Newcastle and I went to Wyland Brewery if you've never been there it's

fucking stunning it looks like a museum and it's nice they've got all the tanks and stuff and I'd been wanting to go there for ages and I took the guys there before the show and I had three like seven to nine percent beers before we played and throughout the entire set like that's

fucking funny three nine percent beers I was talking about like maybe a little fucking Bain, no, no, no, no. I went for it because I knew, like, but really a new castle these days, and I'd been wanting to go to that brewery for so long, loved all their drinks, and I went there, and I just went for the most... Fucking Willy Wonka. Just went for the most insane offerings that they had, and I remember just playing the set, and I was missing, like, meant it to be, like, a symbol catch, and I would just hit it,

and then, like, sit back and be like, oh! And, like, Stephen, everyone else was, like, Gunzies, windmellon, and they're all doing their thing, and it was just snab that was noticing most of these, and he just kept on being, like, what the fuck are you doing, man? you don't normally fuck up this much and I was just like ha ha ha! Like, just having a great time

because I have a beer when I play. That's like my... Okay. Always have a beer on stage with me when I'm playing but that was just topping up

the 3-9% beers so yeah, that's the only time in recent memory when I've been any kind of drunk but as a rule I did not touch alcohol before we play.

So I used to be I was in no drinking before you play club like nothing and then... You broke it back you needed it to get through the pain. I didn't...

Do you know what? playing the drums doesn't hurt. It's just weird thing. Now nothing hurts, but like, it was more of just like, I'm not having fun situation. It's just like,

I'm literally like, I'm fucking talking about all the time. I'm like, like actually anxious at all times. So like going to play a show would just be, I'm a big ball of anxiety before we play and I'm just not enjoying it.

And he's not even stage fright, just like, I don't want to fuck up. I love that feeling though, because that's, No, there's a difference between getting ready to play on stage and... Do I have cancer? Is there a reason that I...

Might have I've got... We were in the sun a lot today. I don't want it to sound like I was down playing actual anxiety there to be like, I just get excited before you. No, because I love that. I love... Because I mean, we've spoken before, like imposter syndrome is fucking real. And it's one of the reasons why, I guess, in terms of content and twitching,

streaming or whatever, and I've kind of stepped away from it. One of the reasons we haven't done a podcast for so long. whatever, just thinking nobody wants to listen. Which is so done. Both of those. Nobody wants to listen to what I've got to say. Nobody wants to hear what it is that I'm doing there. And I do little things that I go through periods of time where I'll do a Q&A.

I'll make a bit of content. You know, those are moments where I'm feeling like, okay, I'm good at this. Or I feel like somebody might want, somebody might give a shit. But like those dips, you know, peaks and troughs or whatever. And like, whenever it comes to playing a gig, it's like telling yourself. Like we were chatting earlier about ego. There is that moment. moment in time when you go to get on stage for a show and just before it kicks in I'm just

thinking about download there last weekend or the weekend before amazing show for us and as it started they start chatting bleed from within I mean the show looked fucking crazy it was absolutely fucking daft and it was like one of the best shows we've ever played to be honest it's in my top five gigs of all time but just before that that was where I just get you know I'm shaking the adrenaline's there and you have to tell yourself you're capable of doing it because I get that moment of you can't, you can't, you won't, you'll fuck it, then, and you have that mental battle with yourself. But going back to what you were saying about not having fun anymore,

not totally not having fun anymore, but I know what you mean, I know that mindset. Jason, who drums for the band All That Remains, We toured with them back. Jason Bittner? No, Jason, um, oh my God, I can't remember his second name. Jace, I just know him. He's a drummer from All Remains.

All right. Fucking love the guy. like from the tours that we've done our first sort of professional tour was in 2010 Sawyer work all that remains, Caliban, Bleed from Within and really got on with Jason just connected with him and I met up with him at a few festivals since but fucking seven and eight years ago

but Jason has two beers and like a pint plastic cup half full of Jack Daniels before he plays and then he ripped out of whiskey he doesn't I never really saw him finish the whiskey before he goes on stage I think there were some occasions where he would but he takes big clogs of that as like the intro's going

and it's like, bomb, bomb and he's like, and afterwards I was like, mate, I can't drink before I play, what are you doing there? And he's like, I get the power, I get the aggression, I get the fucking, the fight. And he's like, you go in with that little, that little edge. Yeah, that's me now because, like,

I was always no drinking because obviously, I fucking can barely talk when I drink. But what's built up is like I, not like I don't enjoy playing and it's not like it's like I'm nervous about I don't think of the fuck if I fuck up in front of people or anything there's no like stage fright thing anymore but just more of a like I'm not loose

I'm worrying I'm thinking too much about my parts I'm like rushing ahead of the click and then it was like do you play you play a click no yeah everything except two songs and then it was like when pandemic you know it may have coincided with my alcoholism from the pandemic

but like when we came back to touring from gigging from fucking gigging from the pandemic we came back to touring and I was like like like you know just like anxious I'm just gonna fucking have two beers again two beers and then two beers turned into like a cocktail or one cocktail and one beer and then I like ripped and I was like

and it just pulls me back like I play ahead of the click and it just pulls me into the pocket into the pocket that's a nasty habit though you need you get it i could be an alcohol because i was looking at jace who we were just talking about and i was like that's amazing and then i was like i looked at my tour schedule and we were playing with them for two shows like during summer whatever then i looked at his schedule and they were in europe for like four weeks and i'm like whew like the old liver punch to get out at the bunk in the morning like oh there you go boy oh my god yeah but i can't do that i mean i can go out and get fucked and i can wake up late the next day

and sober myself up in that adrenaline keeps me going on stage the next day and that's totally fine. Like, I can play with a hangover. You see, I can't. I'll never drink before a show and even now, like we, we haven't obviously done a lot of touring recently.

Because you're fucking helping your drum tech with stuff. Get him to do everything. I just, I mean, honestly, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even, I almost feel bad. Even I'm a pain folk. Because I've never understood, we're going back to the drum tech thing, but I can't imagine

and Logan has done it but you did it you did it yeah but like just imagine like never seen your kit until like you do sound check

and then you go away and then you come back and you don't touch it again and I've only ever done that I've only ever I've only done that like I've been drumming now for what 30 20 years

you're talking I've been drumming and I've done that thing that I just spoke about there that's happened five times in my entire life for the fucking for the normie for the civilian I got told off of calling someone on the normally other day

For the fucking, for the civilians In the listenership The viewership You're watching this on YouTube Or if you're listening to this on the audio version The real live podcast You are missing out because it's excellent I spent ages, spent all day doing it

By 10 grand Imagine If To go to the office every morning Like you got a 9 to 5 imagine you have to fucking pack down your whole full PC

desktop PC you've got to take that you got to pack down the fucking screen the HDMI cable for the screen you got to get your keyboard you got to get your tower you've got to put your tower in a protective case you've got to get your mouse

you get all of that then you've got to take that in your car to the office drag it up the stairs everything up the stairs put it in, plug it all in, then you use that for the day to do the fucking thing, do the fucking accounts or whatever you're doing, and then

you pack it all down and you take it home. Would you fucking do it? No, you fucking wouldn't. But imagine you had somebody else that was doing that for you and then one day when you were on a video call started or you had something very important to do, but then they'd put the cable into the wrong place. Who gives a fuck? You'd just

change your cable yourself. Yeah, but then you can't reach it because you're in the middle they are very important. No, you're analogy is not as good as my analogy. It's not working, right? No, but do you know what I mean, no? If people had to do that, and I know, obviously... This is the explanation for the...

Obviously... A drum tech seems like a... And I think I take it any sort of sense of the word, it's mad that you get to that stage and you're like, oh my God, like, I guess friends of ours or even family or whatever, like, oh, you've got someone to do that for you now? And you're like, well, it's actually quite a basic thing as soon as you reach a certain point, because this is what else that... This is what we have to do as we have to do,

as we fucking go through our life on the road. Like it's fucking brutal. It's press, it's management, it's whatever else you have to do to ensure that the show actually goes ahead as planned and the band continues as a business. So that role is a necessity. It's something that has to happen as soon as it can happen.

Unless you're punk as fuck and you want to be in a splitter van the rest of your life which, you know, some bands want to do. But they are fucking tiger paths. Those people will murder. Microwave kittens. They will fucking lob a hamster on a washing machine. like they will fucking do that like mad cunts but you know what i mean like i know obviously like obviously obviously obviously like it is a privilege to play music and i'm incredibly grateful to play

it but as a as every other musician i was saying this i'll say this if you are not a drummer it's an absolute privilege to play music for a job because you have fuck all to fucking do you've got nothing to do. You don't have to bring all the shit. But as a drummer without a drum tech, it is the equivalent of taking an entire office setup, desktop PC, mouse, keyboard, screen.

We're talking like lights and fucking, you know, taking your office light and your desk lamp and you have to take the entirety of an office from your house to the office, set it up, use it, make half the amount of money that you would in the office actually, and then pack a

all down again. It's mental. Guitarists and everyone, they're giving us a bad name because they're having a lovely time. Singers. What's Scott Kennedy like for loading in? Well, I'll give you one story, right? Kennedy told me he would be my drum tech

once on a tour in 2010. And for one day... 2010, and you were still talking about it? One day. It's just funny because we reference it every now and again. Remember that time you said you'd be my drum tech? He's like, I will. That was fucking ages ago and I'm like, hello. I fucking love Kennedy so much. But like this one day in 2010, he's like, you know what, Ali, I'm going to start helping you up your drums. And I was like,

brilliant. You're impression of him so funny. I was like, just come and watch what I'm doing here. And he's like, just this one going here? I'm like, that's, that's all right. This one goes in here and that does that. Halfway through that, he was like, I'm going to go for a fog. And I was like, cool, I'll finish this off. The next day, I was like, Kennedy, you want to give my hand. And he's like, I've just, I've just got starting to do all there. So I'm just going to do that. That was, that was the last of Kennedy's drum-teching things. He helped half once. To be fair, he's

got, everyone chips in and bleed from then. We are a good band in the sense that when it comes to load in and load out and the cases are there and everyone's ready to go in and go out of a venue, we're good. But obviously drummer first in, first out, you have to set up yourself, take down

yourself, nature. Because he's usually there. Sometimes he's always doing all the guitar stuff, they set up their big silly fucking rack with the in-ears and stuff now and he'll usually help if he's around and sometimes Rory helps. I think the pandemic changed me. I don't think I could do it without a drum technology

I just don't think I could do it. I've had a taste of it recently and I definitely don't want to go back but I know that it's... I know that it's there and it's a reality and the band's at the point where it's maybe just about to change for us, you know, we're in the cusp of changing

onto better guarantees and slightly bigger shows and, you know, we're doing like the second bus tour where it's our bus and it's not a support. which if I can say this is absolutely insane for how good your band is and how long you've been going I would have fucking given

up so long ago and it means you know what it means though is that now you're getting to that level it's going to be so much fun and you're going to be drinking before the show no well we did it we did it there we were on the bus and we did a UK head link to it was sold out every night it was the most excited no not a single

10 not a single 10 before the show well it was literally it was the beer that I would be drinking before like we're at the side of the stage you add another one to that no and I would have a beer and then Tom who does all our photography video stuff he's like our sort of stage hand before we go on so he puts down the set list the one that triggers the intro and stuff and I would have my beer and then he'd be like right guys you're good to go and then I would give him the beer and be like can you just set that in my drinks holder it's that beer that I'm be drinking sort of yeah I mean it's not even a full beer in that sense

but you know it depends on the festival I've done I say festival it depends on the show I've done some festivals where I'll be like did you not take for me once or you you were the guy with the camera was it the siloosis at downloads remember you were helping me out or something and I'm pretty sure you were next to me and I had the bottle of Bucky

and there was some beers and I was just like Reynolds can you pass me I can like one of those things where I'll be making an effort to go through it on like a really cool gig like a really you know I don't know I can't remember that was probably fucking on the back of here as well. I can't remember anything.

Rale's what's happening? You're just like, I can't remember anything I've done in my life. The one thing that I hope, there's one thing I'm glad with the podcast. It's like, there is... It's immortalises the... I was fucked then, but I remember it. This shit goes in the British Library. They, like, hit me up and was like,

oh, because you're on whatever list of decent podcasts or whatever. You'll be in... Well, I'll remember this conversation. What's your new album? and what's it like and is it good? You try to tell me you don't know the name. Shrine is the name of the new album.

It's out in the world. There, now, what, two weeks ago? Came out? So yeah, it's there. It's going down a fucking treat. Is it good? It's genuinely, because we're in that point, and I'm definitely one of those folks that...

We mentioned this earlier. I've mentioned ego a few times. I fucking hate it. I'm not delusional in any way, right? Just, like, objective. and I'm talking objectively here I'm not talking about your first album was the best which is a lie

who says that there are no way there are concerts because our first two albums are no longer in Spotify due to an ongoing dispute with the record label that owns them rising records they can get to fuck

and look at that camera and why you say that no because if I say it in bad the lawyers will probably try and shag me at my ass so like anyway those two albums aren't there anymore and they get taken down a while ago because we're trying to dispute the ownership of the masters for them. That answers all the questions

of the people that are actually saying to us, where did the first two albums go? They'll come back at some point. Anyway, there's folk that still think that that album, we released in 2009 sounds and is better than the one we have just released two weeks ago, which was like drums recorded

in real world. We've been writing songs now for nearly 20 years, knowledge. Those people are fucking mental. They are, yeah. Brain-deed, as you would say. That means brain dead. For anyone that doesn't know, Glasgow. Sorry, I forget. Translations have to come out now.

I've had three beers, so I'm reverting to... No, no, no, no, no, we're good. But yeah, look, it's... It is the best work we've done. I'm talking about that, like, is it subjectively? Is it better than fracture? Because I'll be honest with you. I only listen to the song that...

Corny Taylor. Yeah. because it came out like fucking last week there were two songs on fracture right and there's even one on Shrine right fracture fucking rules so I am it's not like I'm not listening

to it it's that I'm saving it and I fucking forget about things it's like I listen to heavy music at the gym and that's it yeah and just one of those songs have a place in your gym playlist

because it's not the heaviest some people don't think it's the heaviest you know what I mean but it's you know it's not it's not your Kubla Khan or something because I've asked you about Jimtunes before and it's Kubla can it's not nails and it's not fucking whatever else Fracture was good for what it was and at the time I was very proud of it but as soon as we

finished at Shrine I looked at fracture very differently and I saw the places that we could improve and even when it came to the recording process and I started talking about Nolly how we had to up the game and up the level on the on the mix and the production and everything else so what do you mean by that like why

there were just for me there was it was a and I felt bad for Nollie because I went in on the whole as soon as we started the conversations me and him will always start the day that's our sorry I'm going off on many tangents here but Shrine is our third album together where he's tracked the drums and done the mix and he's very much a part he understands the band he gets the music he knows the sound that we're trying to make but very early on like as soon as we finished Fractured I was talking to him about the next album I was like we're fucking doing it consider it the trilogy we might keep working with them we don't know I think he'll always have a part

of our albums in one way or another but when it came to Shrine I was like how do we take this to the next level and I kept on using that phrase like next level there was just something that I knew we could improve on and I wasn't sure what it was mix wise or songwriting wise so is he producing as well

we've always been self-produced we don't want we producers but it was mix wise and sound wise and just how do we fill it out and there was a really funny moment where at one point where I was driving at home so much but he was like Al you do realise Fracture wasn't shit and then it sort of

I sort of realised and I was like oh no no no I'm not saying that I'm not saying that fracture was bad in anyway I'm just saying what we've done since day one is there's always a bar that we set for ourselves and then we aim to beat that in whatever way that that is and I think there's something that can be done in the production here like do you not

think that as well let's maybe like reassess what we're doing with drums and come on give me some fucking juice what well drums straight away we went to real world we changed it up from middle world. Fratch's drum sound fucking rule. It's better on shrink. Tell me it's not better on strain.

It's bigger. It's full. What did you request? A different room? You turned your nose up at middle farm? I didn't turn my nose up at middle farm. I went straight to Nollie. It was not good enough for me. This studio in the middle of nowhere with the greatest drum room in the UK or potentially

Europe. It's amazing. I went to him and said, what can we possibly do to make it better? like, change the drum room. I was like, really? Yeah, but that's just because Nolly wants to try a new drum room. You'd be mugged off there. He had already been to real world,

and he just knew that this place would be fucking great. And it was, and not only that, it was the vibe of tracking drums in there. So Nolly was in the same room as me in the woodroom at Real World Studios. And there's like a mezzanine level as well, where we had the... Right, he's in the same room as you tracking. Same room as me as tracking. The Monoton was just done on headphones, and it was very much a vibe.

Like, there's no... sound replacements and stuff. I have to say this because I noticed that somebody... I've just posted about something on Instagram where I was saying about how proud I was of the drum sound because it was natural and full. Somebody's mistaken that for saying that it's unedited. For the record, I'm in a fucking modern metal band.

My drums are edited on an album. Yeah, that's just fucking happens. They're on the fucking grid. That's what happens. What has not happened there is there are no fake samples. There was no dampening on any drums in that room. Like Floort Tom, snare, had to have a little bit.

We were using a Cussworth drum replica of the Tamabell Brass that you own. Oh, the Cuswurstwurst are fucking nice. Cussworths are fucking great. I think, what's his name from Thy Arts Got one? Fucking Jesse. I think it's a similar... Berydolphin.

Yeah, it's a similar drum to what he has. But yeah, nolly requested it was... It was... Anyway, no dampening. We wanted the big natural sound. this drum room it was amazing the drums were snapped to grid they all are if anyone tells you or not the fucking line except for videos we're talking on album

the only on album yeah the thing with that is if anyone doesn't know and you should know if you listen to this podcast is there is a a preconception with music that people have whether they like it or not to do with the fact that dance music and all radio music is made with computers that everyone now whether they like it

not or they know it or not in built within them they have perfect metronomic time in their head from listening to whatever's on the radio so you need to edit for the most part

modern metal drums and I think I think it's part of the sound and I totally like I agree I've spoken with Nollie so many times about this like we've you know I've actually done an album with a band called Savage Messiah that is not to grid and it's out there I did BWP album I did no grid

Nothing six tracks on this album Six tracks on the album I'm talking about Were done by me and six tracks were done by Dan Weldon And there's nothing to grid And it is It was comps We did each song three or four times And then they just picked the best takes

But that was terrifying That whole experience But I think now like chatting to Nolly about it more And more in depth I'm like it is part of the sound And part of the genre And it's like for the finished product Where you're representing your band

And the other four members that's totally fine unless you're doing a video in which case you're doing a play-through and you edit a video you are a cunt and I hate your guts and you're just a liar yes absolutely

feel strongly about that but anyway going back to the album Shrine the production is just the best not only fucking smashed it we went big natural tones you can fucking hear it and he we filled out that mix we had a guy called Jamie Finch

from a band called Anavi who came in and did additional production just added loads of textures and layers going on in the background that just fattened up the sound. We had the guys from Parallax Orchestra come in. They've done an altar bridge, bring me architects. But we've done like all

the middy stuff in our tunes for fucking like the last decade. But it was middy. And you would bury it in the mix because it sounded like some guy far through a paper cup. Do you know what I mean? And then when you actually get strings in a studio you're like, oh my God. So we've bought it to the forefront of the mix and everyone's like,

plead from within for the first time ever bringing strings into their production. We're like, they've been there since 2013, mate, open your fucking ears. We just buried it. Yeah, because it wasn't really. So, yeah. So we did all that on this album, and it sounds fucking great. I'm genuinely so proud of it.

And even to the point where, like, using it on, like, a recent project, it was like, what's your reference drum sound? Like, anything you've been listening to that's good. What did you have? I just let them hear Shrine. One song in particular, what was right? Did you not reference anything for Shrine?

No, no, no, we didn't reference anything. We just went in with, we went in with what we'd done on previous albums and said, this is what I would like to achieve and let's have more of that and let's just make this bigger. And, yeah, Nolly just understood, he understood the assignment. And we just got the tones down and we used... Oh, he doesn't, he doesn't have TikTok, but he's going to quote a fucking TikTok song. It's the Reels. I've seen it on Reels on Instagram, me. It came from fucking TikTok.

Yeah, well. Yeah, well, there you go. I'm just down with the kids. yo, y'all. But yeah, he understood the assignment. Okay, so what is the song that you can't play yet? We talked about this earlier.

Well, I've got a pretty bad. What's the song, firstly, what's the song on Fracture that goes, da-da-d-d-da-l-l-da-l-da-l-da-l-d-d-d- I can't. Oh, the end of all we know. Oh, that's, that's the one that's on the fucking gym playlist. Yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, I see that.

That's fine. That's, I feel like... Wait, wait, wait. Is that the one that Cory Taylor? Yeah, that's the one he loves. So he didn't share someone off Shrine? No, no, no. It was the end of all we know. Oh, I knew I knew it. So, Craig's not listening to the new, I haven't listened to any of it. Yeah, fucking asshole.

It's a fucking idiot. I'll love as well. I'll love it. Oh, I loved the fracture. Well, I'll be sending you the tune after this. Yeah, end of all we know. Those triplet patterns are very pleaded from within, like... I used to be able to do them. I used to be able to do them in Viatrophy.

We had fucking sufferance. And it's just like now it's just like, no, can't do that anymore. But I used to play with triggers and now I don't. Right, okay. Yeah, I mean, I've never triggered. But that was always like, I think learning how to do that

under like a studio environment and a live environment with a decent sound engineer and like wanting to make it sound good out front was like making sure that way. You got to dig into those kicks. It's the left foot that you've got to lean into the fucking... That pattern that you're talking about in the end of all we know, like ditt-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-r.

It's making sure that left foot finishes as strong as the right that it gives the kind of... It sounds like a fucking train's hitting you from the stage sort of thing. That's the most important thing. So getting those downs... See, I think that's the best belief from within song. But I haven't heard the new songs. But that song...

20 million people on Spotify would probably agree with you there. Is that your biggest song? I'll buy a country mile. I mean, coming up there... Song... Song, fuck. It's got over 20 million hits now on Spotify, which is mental, do I mean? But we've got like songs from the new album that are, the new album's going up at a very kind of

uniform rate. What we found with Fracture was there were songs that were peaking and there were songs that people weren't resonating with, whereas Shrine is now kind of every song seems to be hitting someone and just being like, we love this, we love this, when we're putting out a message like, oh, what's your favorite song from the album? And everyone's giving us back. It's very uniform. voice you get close enough to the microphone for it to sound really good and then the rest of the thing is like that

I just want to hear my funny voices yeah they're really good what's your favorite song from the album see and then and then you're fucking back here mine's sovereign mine's killing time that's fucking now I'm talking like this sound like you from dundee from dundee hey take the sheep to the edge of a cliff and you get a bit of pushback if only you stood that close to the microphone for the whole fucking episode stood you want me a stand anyway uh all right don't slag me off for getting that wrong slag me off for not knowing what your fucking albums called it's time for your dream festival my friend i'm gonna talk you through it but we're gonna do it yeah yeah let's let's do it so where do we start where do we start is where are we in the world in the world where is your

Dream Festival, Ali Richardson of believing with him. No, this is tricky because... No, this is tricky. This is fucking tricky. No, don't do that voice because they weren't understand. Would you not give I spoke like this instead? Yes, that's better.

Okay, okay. No, just do your normal voice. Anyway, as I was saying... Shut the fuck up. Where are you? It's difficult. I want to say Belgium or Glasgow Green. I want to either be on the ground,

the hallowed ground of grasshop. or Glasgow Green. I'm going to go Glasgow Green because... Glasgow Green then I can go. Glasgow, you can go, exactly. All our fucking friends and family are going to be there. And Glasgow is... We've had many amazing shows,

especially even since shows have returned and the few shows post-lockdown. And especially the few European shows that we've had to have been insane. It's been great. But nothing anywhere will ever rival the energy. of a Glasgow show

for bleed from within. So I'm assuming we're... Here we fucking go. If anyone doesn't know... Do you know what it is? It's there. It's the fucking...

It's the Scottish equivalent of that. If anyone doesn't know, and there is statistically 50% of you that probably won't know this, in Glasgow, for some fucking insane reason... We have our own fucking chance. There is a... Yeah, there's a chant,

which is here we, here we, here we fucking go. before people play shows, before people do fucking anything. I mean, I've never not heard it, so. It's because you've been in good gigs, mate. Success. You don't like shite bands, so... But yeah, okay, so we're on Glasgow Green.

I put an offering on a flat in Glasgow Green, and it was rejected, but it was very nice. But you're still kind of... I mean, you're in Tristan, you're, you know, you're fucking... Shit, I've given away your location. Oh, it's a fucking man. Everyone knows where I'm in the south side of fucking Glasgow.

Southside of Glasgow every day. You're going to do. Pelt and my eggs. I want to die. It doesn't matter. OK, we're on Glasgow Green. That's where we're holding the festival. Okay.

So what's the next step of this? The next step of that is, what is your accommodation before we even go into a band? What is your accommodation? Right. I think this is crucial. Accommodation for where you're staying after it.

Sorry, I'm thinking of backstage. I'm thinking of... You can give me both. You can give me both. What's backstage? I've got an idea. I fucking hate... with a passion

when festivals give you a dressing room for an hour before you play and an hour after you play. Every single band on my fucking festival at Glasgow Green, there will be a village

for just the artists. I'm gonna say this with the nicest possible meaning like I feel like you guys get treated like a fucking local band a lot. I haven't had that happen to me in about 10 years. I don't know what he's feeling.

That's just the reality. Your band is fucking big and good. good. Not big. Who's not telling these people, fuck you? You are big.

There's no, there's no fucking shering your fucking songs. We're getting there, right? I think, well, I don't like that. I don't like the word's big. I don't like the idea. I think there's always something to work towards even when you're... But anyway, we're doing all right now,

and we're getting, we're putting one foot in front of the other, and we're getting more to be. We've been treated like shit for day one. I've always considered us to be the outsiders and especially more in recent times we just kind of think that's where we are but we don't care we put the blinkers on, we're in our own line and we go regardless of that

maybe some partly influencing my decision here on the backstage thing every single band at my dream festival will have their own cabin our own fucking do you know what they'll have it's a dream festival you can go fucking nuts here they can have heroin

they can have what you've got any of fucking smoke old scag boys here you can have anything we will have every single band will have a little lodge with a hot tub outside

like a little lodge that you're getting I love it it's like one of those smaller festivals it'll be like it's basically one massive staggdu hindu

it's one of them bachelor party if you're American 50% of you are bachelor bachelor's a bachelor or bachelor bachelor or bacheloret is that the word

bachelor's on your gender I don't know if there's one for the age slash them just that that's just a party is it not no that's a that's a that's how thatchillette party coined it right here right now so nice bachelorette bachelor and them thatcheler a thatchella the bachelor a bachelor party or a bachelor party or a bachelor's debt okay Reynolds said it because I couldn't I've had too many cans but yeah what's going to happen is all of these would be circled because it is my festival's not going to be it's not going to be overbuild either I

fucking hate that. I hate band. I say I hate it. Hellfest has always got a great line up. There's a million bands. But I think, in fact, this backstage area would just get bigger than, and it will be lodges that would be around a pool. Maybe they'd be a couple of sections of pool, so it's not one big fucking piss-filled fucking thing. But there would be loads of little lodges like you have in the Highlands of Scotland, and that would be for each band. And for bands that wanted to if there were friends playing on the same bill from the same area, we could potentially say,

well, you can go on in the big lodges, so you can all stay together. And every lodge, every lodge would have a little hot tub out the back, so if you didn't want to be in the pool and you just want to have that time to yourself, and that's totally fine. But then there would be a pool there,

and that would be the backstage area. And there would be shuttles that would take anyone at any time wherever they wanted to be. But Hellfest is kind of like that. You say that doesn't happen at festivals, but Hellfest is like, Hi, a random person. I'm kind of hungry and they go.

I will take you to the food. How do they talk? I will take you to the food. I didn't want to do a French man voice. I didn't want to do a ratatoo. I didn't want to do a ratatooie French voice. That's not ratatooie. This is Mario from Gojira.

I play the battery in the best deaf metal band in the world and I am the best drummer. I'm not disagreeing, but it's mildly racist. Is that a questionable accent? Sorry, Mario, you are literally my favorite drummer of all time. Anyway. Okay.

But when you explain this to me off camera and you said, describe your favorite festival or the best festival or whatever. No, this is good. This is good. But I'm just saying there are some, you said the shuttle thing, as if there was a problem, you're thinking of the UK festivals. There's some in Germany and Europe as well where you have to, like, schedule the shuttles of the nun there.

They'll make you walk. Not saying names. But like, when you described the perfect festival, say one that you don't really want to play anymore. Was a pain in the ass for us to get about. There was one where it's like, I'm not never playing, whacking. And they were just like,

oh, rock on, fuck you. You're not. Your t-shirts are far too baggy for that, me. Far too long-line t-shirts. Anyway, my point is when you said about the dream festival thing here, I was like, it's just Hellfest. Hellfest is the Dream Festival.

No, but it's Hellfuss in Glasgow. green yeah right okay oh no on we go what's the next uh so you're wrong yeah we got it with glasgow green you've got little fucking huts little highland lodges little highland lodges because glasgow green's massive so you got it around around the side yeah it doesn't matter a dream festival yeah around the side you've got these little lodges for all the bands it's a small amount of band so it's going to be pretty fucking cool um who's your main stage headliner your dream also So bleed are playing. So bleed are playing.

So factor that in. Of course. Who's headline? You called it earlier. It has to be too. I saw them twice recently. And it's just there are no better live band going at the moment. You know,

I would have loved to have had Pantera back in the day. But I think, really? You mean serious? Other than mean racist scum. They were actually, you know, they're kind of the reason that I picked up the drumsticks.

and I hate that I had to come of terms of that in my adult life but... Oh, for the thing. Raised scum is so fucking funny. The acknowledgement is fine. Okay. Tall.

I mean, that's a different story altogether. That's very difficult for me to deal with given that I've got a CFH fucking branding on my arm. There's not swastika yet. Simmer doing, Craig. They're the reason that I reckon you could change that. Maybe that's how they designed it.

The brush. Okay. Tall. Are they doing anything to fendom? fancy too well bleed from then are supporting them for a fucking start so that's quite fancy uh so they're fans are gonna be fucking very annoyed they'd be fucking raging but uh yeah i mean other bands are gonna have on there would be incubus kajira master on musha um whoa whoa whoa i ask you for fucking one incubus we're getting them fucking fucking love incubus you get

fucked you don't like them great bad no no i don't care no it passed me by i don't care I like some of them. It's my dream festival, you dick. Yeah, but I didn't ask you for the other fucking fans. Oh, you're fucking getting them. I want that. Who's the main, main sport? Meshugga.

Oh my God. I actually saw almost that. I saw, I saw a tool on the 10,000 days twice. And for support... That was the one with Master on Supporting, right? No, for support.

They just played Catch 33, which had just come out at the same time. They had just played. laded through the monitors. That was it. Amazing. It was fucking sick. But you all making that...

Did you see me sugar on that last or? You've been fucking serious? I met you at the Baralands before... I met you in the fucking pub before we walked in. We've been through my alcoholism. I have a problem. I can't remember who I fucking am.

I was actually trying to get about this podcast before we went in and then I went in early because Stephen had never... Our guitar player from Bleak from Within... You went in so early. So we went in early and Reynolds was like, Why fuck are you going? in early, it's shit in there. I was like, honestly, I don't know. And then I got in there and then

I text you and went, this is fucking crap. I'm just waiting for my shugger. Come on and you just replied going, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You've really highlighted my alcoholism. Yeah, you have. He was fucked his dish. I have no fucking recollection of any of that. Probably have to pack it in, but let me have a shit. Anyway,

festival. Two other headline and the band on before them are my shugger. Is it no one's doing anything fancy? Just normal sets? Normal set. This is your dream festival? like if I had a dream festival and the headliner was fucking tall two to our plane a playlist of my picking which would be mostly based around and a undertow stuff and anema especially I'm so glad you said

I've never seen eology live and I would fucking I'd give give both all this eology eulogy thank you sorry um but yeah we've obviously seen i rip that high hat pattern off all the time new stray it's on about three songs ripped it you ripped another one you ripped a perfect circle badly oh on viatchery

on viatrophy no one's the fuck about that everyone's heard it no they haven't about fucking 700 monthly listeners I think I got away with that one but yeah I did I've ripped off every voucher for once

yeah I ripped off I've ripped some bits what did I rip the noose the intro to the moose Dundum Yeah, ripped it off And note for note

Stuck on an album Guess what Under copyright law drums Because of people like Shut the fuck up People like Ringo Stey on

Because of people like Ringo Who were just going They wrote into copyright law That drums couldn't be copyrighted It's not music It's not music apparently So I'll have that please Josh Fries

That's free game Yeah I've definitely ripped a few bits A little Mario bits Little Mario bits Little Eloy bits you just hear you're like yink have that but that's why i have this discussion when people like a lot with drummers we're just a we're like nicer people who are more open and we give credit when credit i got tagged um connor dennis from bertooth just posted a solo today and then he tagged me in the

description and was like yo i nick the fill off you in this and it's like that's cool as fuck we just that's amazing i like i i attribute that too and this is pretty fucking spiritual the first instrument on fucking earth drums was drums and people banging on shit and what did they do you taught the person next to you how to do something the drumming community is like not even being preachy or daft or whatever is you compare it to the singing community

is that even I think the singers even have a community I think you're all two in your own bubble to give a fuck about that guitarists you're all fucking whanking yourself off basis who kid on you are basis they come on to thick guitarist but

mentally and physically with the streams the drumming the drumming community is genuinely a community I don't think anyone else if you don't play the instrument you find it hard to understand

I'm going to say this about like I'll use Eloy as the example here so we've exchanged a few messages over Instagram over the last 18 months to two years basically when I figured out who Eloy was and exchanged a few messages and just be like, oh my God, you're fucking great.

I think, like, I had sent him a message once when I was shit-faced and Josh had sent me a video, and it was during lockdown. And Josh was like, have you ever seen this guy? I was like, who's this? Sepulchura. Don't listen to Sepulchura. Have you seen the drummer? You're a fucking moron.

Well, old Sepulchre I listened to, but like, it's not a band that's on regular rotation or whatever. But then seeing the videos of Eloy playing, I was like, oh my God, mine was just blown. It was like so much power. You just got into Eiloh, Eno, in the last two years? I can't remember when Josh said. It's been like, when did he join?

Fucking ages ago. Well, it was around that time. It was when the video started happening. I'm talking like 10 years ago. Don't tell me it was that long ago. I'm talking about Eloy joining Semple-Turo was like 10 years ago because I saw him at Sub-89 with Eloy playing drums. I'm not even joking.

This is when I could be talking about right now, and I've just said it's two years. I think you are. And I need to just, I'm going to have to pull up a Jamie. I'm going to pull up a Jamie on myself here. I don't know if this might crash my whole thing. It's actually 10... Oh my God. I was 10 years ago.

I'll do it up my phone. Anyway, my point going back to drummer community. Exchanging some messages with Eloy and him just being a fan of what I was doing, which in itself was mental because I looked up to that guy so much. And then meeting him in person at Download

at the weekend, or just the weekend that's just passed. And I messaged him saying we would meet a download, we were on the same stage. I saw he broke his leg. a message someone was like shit you're not going to be there such a shame and then he the day before download I saw him on his story just posting

videos of him like I'm in Europe this is Marquette or whatever and I was like oh my god are you going to be at downloads you broke your leg like 10 weeks ago what you do it's fucking crazy how quick that he's back we need to discuss a video that he's posted recently um first record with

um Sepulatura so recorded with Sepulchera was 2013 so that's nine years ago. So he would have been in the band fucking ten years ago. Yeah, that's insane. So when the first videos of him started coming up, you're talking eight or nine years ago, which is fucking terrifying because that's when I was made aware of who he was. And I still, you know,

I don't listen to Sepultura in my daily rotation, as I was saying, but I have followed that guy and since that time, as soon as I was made aware of his plane, mesmerized by what he does behind the kit. The groove, the feel, the power. He's top three. Oh, easy. Him and Mario and Benny Greb.

I mean top three, metal. Top three metal. Him, Mario. Top attack. Yep. That's it. That's the top three. Obviously, I was hoping that you wouldn't get that wrong.

That's it. There's no one in terms of, there's obviously people better. There's people that they fall into sub-genres. Like I would say Danny Kerry falls into a rock and a prog rock and whatever. Danny Carey's up there. Are you talking about Met? metal, I'm talking about double kick is in there. It's those three.

Real drummers as well. Real drummers. Like playing with power and feel and groove and pocket and going in and out the click and doing their thing. Like real drummers, there's something to be said about somebody that's absolutely shit hot, but very methodical and very tight and precise and plays like a machine and you're like,

that's really cool and I enjoy watching that for what it is. But who is it that I will like drop everything and be like, I have to go and watch this person, which is what happened with Eliy Download. And what I was going on to say earlier was, I met him after the set and he came off. And I was like, fan girl, and it really happens at this point. I think you're kind of, there's almost part of you know

that's like, oh shit, I'm at a band and I'm at some sort of level and I feel maybe shit getting a photo with somebody, you know, how do I feel about doing this? I didn't give a fuck when it came with Eloy. And I was waiting behind the stage, same stage that we played, but I was like, right, the band were coming off. he was the last one to come off because he's got a fucking broken leg

and I'm giving my phone to my mate and I'm like, can you get a picture of us when he comes off? That's cool. And Eloy comes down and as soon as he sees me, he's like,

my man, my brother, Ellie, and I'm like, you being fucking serious right now? Oh my God. And just through the few messages that we'd exchanged and he'd like some videos

and I liked his stuff and the conversation. You know that's because you're really fucking good at the drums, right? I don't see it as that though. But you're right. Because you, like, you, you, you probably compare you to a lot of people,

a lot of people on the internet that edit their shit. I don't even think that. I just think, I've said it this earlier, I haven't practiced drums. But you're so good at the fucking drums. And every bit of footage that you put on the internet is so good and so real that the real ones see it. And they go, oh, that guy's really fucking good. Whereas were the people that put up like the fucking super processed edited shit

The real ones see it and go I don't know if that's true I haven't got a fucking horse in this race Because I don't care When I see someone that's fucking real And sick I'm like Fuck That deserves the fucking shout out

Which is amazing And if that's why Maybe you always notice that That is just sort of real stuff And that's how we kind of connected Because he is all about that And everything's so natural and raw and real Anyway we had that beautiful moment

I call it a beautiful moment it was amazing just at the back of the stage download for five, ten minutes and do you know what he did? He apologized to me for not being able to make it up to see my set. He knew what time it was

but he was down in the backstage area behind the main stage and he couldn't make it up to the dog tooth and he apologized for not coming to me to see my set and he had a fucking broken leg. The guy's doing all his drum parts were left foot.

What I was going to tell you earlier you know what he's doing for double kick parts? Did you see the latest video? No, I didn't know what he's doing. doing the alternating nice with an extra large

tallman his left foot and just doing the did did da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da and going on this side that is what the fuck is happening right now with eliot it is insane

and he was like oh ali I'm really sorry I couldn't come up and see your set and I was like you've got a broken but I'm fucking completely fucking unwell yeah anyway yeah sorry back to the dream festival

I digress so we got tool Mushauga main support Musherga We're at Glasgow Green Glasgow Green The lodges

There's lodges There's a pool In the middle of the lodges That's the Before we get onto A smaller band That we need For a small stage

The side stage There's only two stages I don't make the rules But I kind of do You literally made all the rules For this Yeah I want to know

What's catering And what's the drink sponsor? Drink sponsor is overtone. No fucking questions asked. Shout out, Scotland. The best, one of the best, but one of the best crap breast. Yeah, fuck it breast. One of the best craft breweries in the world right now based in Glasgow.

They made our last craft. Which was fucking loved. Which was you fucking loved that. Everyone loved that. They're doing another one. 8% wasn't it? It was 8%. Double IPA.

we're making another one for Shrine not sure went out but that will happen Overton just make the best kind of beers like similar to this just the hazy New England style strong but so easy to drink but they also do low percentage stuff they do stouts

so my drink sponsor would be them they would be doing all the drinks and then be a special festival beer they would be a festival there would just be a really easy drinking lager that's what it would be that would be a crazy thing

you're talking like a hazy festival or something would be the standard. There'd be a big stupid bleed from within special. There'd be an alcohol-free option. They'd do the full spread, the entire thing. Nice. What's catering? What you're eating?

Beer hall pizzas. Shout out the best fucking pizza in Glasgow. I've never been. Never been. We're going. Next time. I'll have time. We can probably go tomorrow if you want.

Placing Glasgow. There's beer and there's pizzas. fucking absolutely massive beer menu and just the best No where is it It's a two minute walk from Glasgow Central Station It's a gorgeous It's near where it fucking end and everything is

Next to TGI's Yeah Beer Hall would be doing pizzas Uh We would have Oh what's that Indian place called Fucking hell In Glasgow

Yeah there's an Indian Is it obsession of India No no no it's like a Bombay Street Kitchen kind of thing I don't know, but obsession of India can fucking get all their dicks out and I'll suck them all. Don't get your phone out, we're good, we're good, we've got your pizza.

Pizza and then there's an amazing, it's next to Topolo Bamba or something, it's called. It doesn't matter, stop shouting out of places. All right, you got pizza for your catering. Okay, smaller stage, you threw me off. Small band, small band. Indian and pizza, small band, stage. Right.

What have you got? Um, I don't know if they count as I, small band I think they're doing all right in the States but don't say sepuljourer what don't say several juror yeah incubus there was

no Munteth do no Muntus good band I think someone else picked Muntief for a episode I feel bad putting them on there because they should be bigger but they are no that's a perfect I feel like they're on that path

and their latest album is fucking amazing. The first album was arguably better. And, don't slag them off. No one wants to know that. No one wants someone to say. No one wants someone to say.

The first one's better than the... You just, you slagged those people off. You slag the first album people off. I said the second one's amazing. The first one might be better. But you earlier, you slagged off people that said the first album was better.

You just told me you've not heard any fucking songs for Shrine because all you listen to is fucking one song fractured, you can get fucked. Don't give it a shit, hypocrite. Don't be telling people to their face. Hide it. Give me the camera. Give me that one.

Okay, sorry, Moontooth. Your new album's fucking brilliant. I really enjoyed your last one, but everyone should listen to the latest one. Both albums are fucking fantastic. He did say he thinks the first one's arguably better, which is fucking rude. Arguably, as a, it's a dispute between first and second.

Sounds rude. They're both fucking great. Anyway, can I please get back to my line-up of my dream festival, the guests. You're a nightmare festival now. Yeah, because the fucking Moontas is going to come up and be like, what the fuck you're saying about the fun? What are you saying about a new album? They're small enough that that's fine.

It doesn't matter. I'm just lagging you off. Anyway, I love both albums. And yeah, they would be that band on the second stage. There's also a small hardcore band from the UK. They're doing fucking, they just, we played a festival with them in Czech Republic recently and I was taken down my kit behind the stage. They were like

the band that plays after the headliner kind of thing and they fucking killed it and they're called Grove Grove Street. I want them to call it Grove Street but they are Grove Street families. Changed their name now just to Grove Street. Good. They are band fucking rules. They are fucking UK Pimmer Trip and

I've spoken to their guitar player Sandy now about just wanting to help out in any way I can and like a managerial sense and try and help them out any connections that they can get and yeah UK Power Trip fucking great band they used to have like the GTA logo

and then they changed it and they got rid of the families yeah so shout out to Deb as well they would be on that stage 100% band's fucking good okay what's the after party Hamburg everyone jumps in a flight straight to the Reaper band

Oh Reaper ban I'm fucking we fucking go bitch I'm fucking we're going the Reaper Barn? No, I'm not talking the Red Light Street. I'm talking the Reaper Band. I'm talking like head crash. I'm talking, don't give me those eyes. I'm not going there.

I'm not going there from my own. What do you mean? You said Reaper Barn? Reaper Barn means one thing to me. No, you're thinking about the one tiny little street? I'm not talking about that. Reaping. Are you reaping the ban? I'm sewing and I'm reaping. That's four beers talking right there. Fuck yeah, I don't give a fuck.

Rieferban because Hamburg is just the best night out is that one region of you've never been one region one that part of the city Reaper Ban is just a great fucking place and we would probably just have that club head crash I mean this is probably like if you never slept with an escort as well Reaper Barn

is your place to do it sure any of your dreams will be fulfilled I mean you're talking like a dream hypothetical bit of advice would be to take the money out because I support sex workers financially yeah take the amount of money out that you want to spend and put in your pocket and then give your friend your wallet and then let them go away and then nothing can go wrong there and then you just have your allocating amount there's a hypothetical see I would do that this is a hypothetical yeah I would do the same thing and be like

this is what I will have for sex worker I will have this in pockets wallet go away and then yeah yeah it's good And then I see a bar that says the Astra logo or something. There's one amazing little rock bar called, I want to say it's called Moonlight or something or Moonlight. I want to say it's called the Hard Rock Cafe. I'm not one of those cunts. Don't ever put me in that boat.

But there's an amazing little bar. Actually, right at the end of the Teddy Street, right at the end of it. There's a great little rock bar, and it's fucking tiny. But it is always a good night there. You end up spilling out in the street. And I think it's funny. have asked me my dream festival like anywhere in any situation but

there's something about I think if we had every band going there and the Rieper band was just closed to my festival and the accommodation was just at different point she would have different bands staying in different hotels but are you moving it now it's not in Glasgow now it's in the Rieper Barn

the after party's in Hamburg okay cool we're flying as soon as it's done and everyone's done in their hot tubs we're going straight to I mean every single meal is laced with cocaine in my actual festival The meal, that's going to taste bad. Just put it in the drinks. Well, you'll be getting on the flight over to Hamburg.

What I'm saying is everyone has to be awake by the time they arrive. I can't fucking wake. Tool, my shugger, fucking... I ain't coming back. Yeah, moon tooth, Grove Street and... Tool, my sugar, Moontooth, Grove Street. Little lodges with hot tubs. Ho Street.

Home in. I'm in. So, yeah. That's it. Catering by beer hall. that maddenian place that I can't remember the name and a

that's it it's bad is that the is that it it's done that's the podcast done we have had lovely little time

on afterwards we're there oh the next morning go on we go on we go to a place called

terma erding just north of Munich to get rid of the hangover and I hire that full place for every single land you can't say a random German word and we take rid

we get rid of the hangover it Like what is that? It could be a fucking prisoner of war camp. You cannot be... Did you say... Did you say Globo-Globeville? You cannot be racist against white people.

It's impossible. Carry on. Did you say Globba Globville? I said bloop-blub-blub-blub-vill. It doesn't matter. Terma Erding is like an indoor spa. Don't give it. That's all you done it.

Don't go switch. I want you switched to me. I can't. what is it one of those fucking baths one of those fucking baths it's like a it's like an indoor tropical fucking paradise basically with like a bar in the water

it's all heated water before I was getting rid of my hangover not making a new one yeah but you drink through it but when you're fully submerged in water there's something about getting rid of hang over there even if you're drinking through it so and there's flumes and there's everything

so everyone would go there after Hamburg and then it's done you find your own way home fuck off We'd obviously pay for you We're not like Set another promotion It's like a weird version of sound wave But with

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