The Downbeat - Bad Omens (Nick Folio ft. Tour Manager Matt Dierkes)

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

My guest this week is Bad Omens Drummer Nick Folio and for the first time on The Downbeat, their soundguy and tour manager Matt Dierkes. Me and Nick catch up and talk about their new single V.A.N (with Poppy) while Matt provides a bit of insight on the many hats he has donned for the band.

What's up you little people who probably have never listened to the podcast before other than maybe one episode and probably never will listen to the podcast again unless I get someone else from this band back? Welcome in. If you want to support the podcast, you can go to patreon.com forward slash the downbeat. What do you get? Well, basically, you get ad-free versions. That means you don't have to listen to me doing this or any of the podcast. You can simply just choose to support.

Also, you get exclusive discount codes and you get early access to the merchandise. Really, you just support me in making this the best possible podcast. It can be. Patreon.com forward slash the downbeat. Please, it's a quid, right? Lowest tiers of quid. Go and have a look. If you like this, have a little go on it.

If you don't like this, then continue to do what? No, if you don't like this, you should go to the Patreon. If you do like this, don't. Which is interesting, isn't it? It's sort of like, it's a paradox. We've also got downbeat merchandise at www. The Downbeat. The Downbeat.

Two locations. One ships from L.A. One ships from the UK. Hopefully, by this point, there's the same stuff in both stores, and it's super easy. Just go to www. The Downbeat. combe. So it spells Downbeat.

Thank you. This plate. This plate make metal posters. You mount them on the wall with a magnet. Maybe you are. harboring some sort of kidnapped person in your walls and you don't want to give them air. Well, guess what? You don't have to drill a hole anymore. You just affix a magnet and you can put a display right on top. Anything on display.com, there's insane designs. There's one of me naked.

There might be other people naked. There's all of your favorite stuff, games, videos. There's downbeat stuff. Okay, we've got all of those designs that you see in the back of the podcast, in the back of the stream room, we got all of those. They've got, call of duty, they've got Gojira, bands. Use the code downbeat at Displate.com to get 22% of 1 to 2 displays or 33% of 3 or more. Check it out. Stop making holes in your walls. Displate.com, code downbeat. My guests this week are Nick Folio, drummer of absolutely stratosphericically huge.

metal core, baddycore band Bad Omen's, and for the first time in Downbeat History, their tour manager, Matt Durkis, who also does their front of house. He does loads of stuff. We caught up about the normal stuff. Nick's been on the podcast before. I wanted Matt to come on so we could talk about. There's a lot of misconceptions online about what a tour manager does. We get into that. Me and Nick catch up. Then I saw them play with Bring Me in Horizon. It was absolutely unbelievable. It's Nick Folio and Matt Dirkus on the Dalby podcast. Yeah, the only thing that sucks about Simon is he is on Android. Can't have that. I literally, we just had a driver on Android, separate chat and just, no offense to Android people. A fence. Offense. A fence and everything.

Like more extra. What are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, it sucks. No offense, Simon, to you, but some offense. Now, you're all right, exclusively. It's difficult because you've got a group chat going. Everything's great. It all looks good and clean and blue, and then you get the random one coming in with the green. You're just like, it's weird.

I don't like this. Been in a thread with a green group. Or yeah, or you throw a green into the blue and it just fucks the whole thing up. And you like, give someone a thumb up, and it'll say, so-and-so, thumbsed up. Oh, you? If you're...

When we had a bandwagon driver and he was doing all that, folio and just wreck the whole chat. Oh God. You know, he thumbs up or whatever. Who is the band-dragging driver? I just had one. Faron? Miller. Oh, no. He's still our guy. We still love him. He's a box truck driver now. Is he on Android?

Oh, yeah. We've tried. Oh, yeah. We'll get you with your phone. That's why I said to Simon. I got one. You can have it. We, like, and then you know what the hardest thing is, I don't know if there's something to you, but like if you've got someone who's plus 44 and in a plus one group chat,

so like a UK number, then I don't even get the group chat. I get an individual text from every single person with no thread. Just replying to whatever they said to someone else in there, just fucking nonsense. I get a random text from Drew that's like, okay, cool, see you there.

And I'm like, what? You just text me? And it's like, oh no, it was the driver. Who are you talking to? Anyway, fuck Android. I got your present, Matt. This is the cool of shit. Matt, Fire Leo.

I'm just calling you pholio. Last time I tried to be a professional, call him Nick, but he's done. I like that. He's folio. I saw a tweet a while ago from fellow king of Twitter, Matt Durkis, that said, I'm really worried about not being able to get Celsius.

No one understood what that meant. But apparently we can get it. Yeah. But I ordered these in. I wonder if these are the ones with a good caffeine. I ordered these in for you. They're pretty good. It's like a look.

Yeah. Yeah, you're the professional. Can I have one of the ones that I bought you? Get in there. This is not sponsored, by the way, but I do need some energy. I would. We need a Celsius plug. I drink this every day.

Yeah, every single day. And all of the people drink this shit now, too. I've never had one. Dude, they're sick. Really? Ooh. Time for a treat. Well, these are yours now, but thank you.

Let's get a nice. All right, well, countdown. Wait, are we going on zero or are we going on? Countdown, three, two, one, go. Okay. three two one a bit of a bit of a flam in there pretty good

slight flam but it was nice as a thick luckily didn't go out of face got the little gas coming out of there not bad imagine if it went out phase because we were like so perfectly in time that's a just good love to have a sound guy that was all right you know to have a sound guy here no one else gets it what's going on

one of the best ones back in the UK feels like just yesterday does you were sat there talking telling me about fishing Yeah, riding bikes. I loved it. I loved the fact we didn't really, we talked about drums a little bit. A little bit.

I just, I prefer talking about fishing and shit like that. Matt, what's up? Welcome. First time. Would you, if there's no one, I don't think out there

that doesn't know what you do, but what do you do in, in the bad omens camp? Okay, tour manager, do front of house audio, taking care of our production stuff right now as well. What else we got going on? Do a lot of the back of house management stuff with our day-to-day

and our team as well. Just kind of cooked into it. Do a lot of, you know, engineering our records when we go record and stuff too. I didn't know that. We'll get on to that. Yeah, yeah. I think maybe I did know that, but not to the extent. I'm in there. Yeah. And you're all drumming. Yeah. Just the best bit. That sounds like so much fucking work. It's a lot. It's every day on and off. It's a, it's just my life. now but it's cool it's what i like that's what i was what i you know get involved doing so it's cool very hands-on with the drums too i'd say i've seen that yeah tune tune for studio time because we're engineering and doing all together so yeah i see him tuning when we talk together come and tune your kit yeah still do it you'd be there for five seconds get it how i like it for front of house

you know perfect you got a tech yet i do oh did you have a tech loss on you here i did not i don't think you did because that's my number one question. Couldn't bring them. Couldn't bring them. I got spoiled. I did the U.S. headliner with my with Cooter for the first time. Cooter. Cooter. This is his name. Dakota Samudas. The boy. He plays for I see stars as well. Oh. Yeah, I think I know the name. Yeah. He's great. And then so he did the U.S. tour and then I came over here. So I got spoiled. And then I came here without him and it was hell. Dude, you were miserable. I was miserable. I was miserable. Oh, yeah. I remember that from last time. I just can't it anymore. It makes me play shit.

It sucks, honestly. You feel juice when you got your boy, you know. Yeah, everything's set up. They know how to set it up better than me. I sit down like this is fucking sick. Even when like he is setting up, you're still there hanging out with him while he's doing it. It's still helping. It's just nice to not do it by yourself, you know? It is. Still helping.

He's just like to hang out. We'll do a crew call to like I'll get everybody in there, get, you know, start getting and going in the morning and he'll come. The rest of the band will kind of stay back and follow he just comes and chills. You've always been like. He's been a hangout guy always. He is the fucking hangout. Speaking of a hangout guy, just checking. We are recording.

You text me at 6.30 a.m. To ask if we could push this episode of the podcast back. Big hangout guy. Well, I was paranoid because I couldn't sleep and I'm like, fuck, I'm going to wake up at 11.30. And then he's going to get here at 12. So I was like, let me just. Oh, you just couldn't sleep? You weren't out like going nuts?

Nah. I've had a rough time trying to get adjusted. My guys are down bed. with the jet lag. What day is it? Right now? Off tour. Oh, it's like Sunday.

This is the what fifth show? Yeah, but... So we've been here about eight days? I'm fine. I'm doing stuff all day, but bands... I'm getting there. They're all, you know, kind of going through it. Have you got jet...

Well, you obviously haven't got one that works. Have you got a jet lag tactic? No. Just get in and try to stay up. Well, here's what my tactic was. And it doesn't, never really works, but you know, that's what you try to do. That's the, if you nap, though, you're fucked.

Oh, it's over. Yeah. Game over. So, we land. I was standing fairly early, I'd say like 7.38 in the morning. And I stayed up all day, didn't take a nap, went to bed the first night at the hotel, slept like a baby, woke up. I was like, wow, I'm good.

The next night, wrong. Did you nap in the day on the next day? No. Why are you so? Was it, how many days did you have before the first show? Two, two rehearsals. You should have been sleeping. I know.

I think it was just like first show. I mean, yeah, there's a little bit of, there's more nerves surrounding day one on this one. This is like the most stuff we got going on. Yeah. Big show. Big shows. Kind of a lot going on right now.

So, yeah. Big, big shows. First day nerves and after that it was like, we're good. Yeah. What was the first date? The first date was. I should have this, shouldn't I? If this was an actual interview, I'd have it listed here, but no.

Just hanging out my friends. It wasn't Birmingham. What's going on? It was. Cardiff. Cardiff. Cardiff Arena. Yeah.

Pretty good. Yeah. How many arena tours you done? This is it. This is it. This is it. This is the first, like, dedicated arena run. We've done some, like, dates in arenas surrounding other stuff, like small, indoor things.

Like, we did that date. Remember tour in 2022 that had, like, arenas just kind of scattered across it for some of the inside shows, and that was sick. But this is the main support arena. Proper. Yeah. These are like the big ones too. So it's pretty cool. Were you nervous then?

I was a little. I was like, damn, this is big. How long is that? This one, I think is 50 minutes. 50 minutes.

That's long for a direct. We need it. Yeah. I like doing it. Gotta play the songs. You know? Yeah. We haven't done direct in a while.

There's not many bands left that you can do direct to, which is pretty fucking cool. It was cool to do. It hasn't really had a chance to get out of headlining in a while. So it's nice to get in there and actually play for, like, a, like, you know, new audience. How long do you do on a headliner normally? 75? Yeah.

What do you guys do? There comes. So we just did 70 minutes. I'm fucking how you did. You're playing too. So, like, just, I mean, you guys are playing, but we don't have any sexy sections. You're playing the whole time. All fucking.

We have a walk-off song. No full play. Yeah. We got a song that just walk off. It's like an interlude. It's like a remix. I'll go down and fucking chill. You know, get on and show.

for a second. Rest and digest. I even sit down at front of house room, man. I'm like, all right, get a break, you know. Do you have a little drink in that gap? Yeah. What do you have? When I go down and chill, I get a beer.

Just a beer? Me and Cudor will cheers and. That's the best bit about having to take, like the bro in. Yeah. Oh, it is. It's cool. So sick. I love it.

Do you make jokes with him when you're playing? Or is it too serious? No, I'll look at him and I'll go. Or I'll, you know. And then the text is always like, what does he mean? What is he? Last night was good. Dude, yeah.

Last night was good. Because I was playing and I heard all of a sudden the sane anger snare started. I'm like, oh, no. What happened? Bolton. The wires popped off and I didn't even, all I see is his little hands come underneath. He's trying to fix it. And he couldn't get the key.

He couldn't get the strainer on. So we just, we had to finish the song with the side snare. Strap broke. Yeah, which was fucking hard. So it didn't blow the head out, but, you know. Playing that on the side. Was it nine on strap? or wires?

It's the pure sound blaster type, so with the plastic one. They're blown up before. Yeah, they're usually good. Never happened. Never happened. I mean, dude, it's been forever. This is the first thing it happened ever on it. Cool.

What was this now? DW brass. Nickel over brass. 14 by 8, Bubby. Yeah, but I have another one. I saw that. Noss. Nostra? Yeah.

Sorry if I'm not saying it right. Are you, let's use that NBA terms. Are you out of, contract right now, drum-wise? I don't really have a, I never put pen to paper. With anyone? Maypex hooks it up.

With a drum company. Yeah, I was going to say symbols. Maypex takes great care of us, but we are still allowed to use whatever as far. Like we use their shells, you can use DW hardware, and then they're not picky about

snares, which get to kind of use whatever. You know what that is? Because they don't make a good thing. Hey, that, uh, what's the one? No, they do. I just love to do. What's that one? the hammered guy they got the 14 by six and a half what is that thing i don't know yeah that's brass listen the bell brass is back that's all you need to know yeah yeah yeah yeah that thing's gonna be

sweet come on i got so many people in my dms like oh for the poultry price of four grand it's like do these people go on like a fucking Lamborghini post and then go you know i can already drive my honda jazz why would i spend this on this it's the fucking goat they don't get it you need it they don't get it. I don't get it. Now. I'm trying to get one. It's pretty out.

Don't you have one of the old ones? I do. I have the 2015 reissue, which is sick. But you know what? I like, they didn't recreate it like, oh, drum talk. Shut the fuck up. They didn't recreate it hardware-wise like they did in the 80s. It was pretty cheap hardware on top of a really good shell.

And then this new one is like a perfect recreation of the 80s ones. It's the fucking kind of stuff. going to survive so i was busting lugs and shit uh there was one you were you were putting a head on you were tuning yeah and you kept this the head kept popping because it had a didn't one of your shells have a a ridge on it when was this this was a long time ago you were oh that would that would have been the that would have been the bell brass i think yeah and yeah because i had those bellbrass hoops on it and it was just like pinging off on it stop talking about drums you flying idiots it happened

Well, we're in lovely Glasgow. You haven't had a chance to do anything. No. You come straight here. I appreciate it. Yeah. I believe we'll get straight on the question because I'm hungry. I believe we've got a question about food, Simon.

Simon. Android Simon. That is so your fucking name. I've been trying to think of a fucking name for you. I will go out and buy an iPhone. Fuck that. There we go. Android.

Simon the Android. That's literally your fucking name. You got to socially engineer your friends into getting rid of them. Yep. It's called bullying. You're out of here. It used to be called bullying. Yeah, we've got to change the name.

Social engineering is now new bullying. Hit me. Hit me. Hello, Nick Folio and Thought Blaster. Please can I ask what your Nando's order is? Thanks. First off, calling him his Twitter name, which is Thought Blaster.

Where did Thought Blaster come from? Dude, I don't know. I made it in like 2012. I thought it was funny. I think that's like when the word, like the term thought, like existed. It just popped up back then. I was like, that's funny as hell. I mean, I do that.

I did that with Renlord. I was like, what made me sound like some sort of like black metal king? And I'm like, I'll just do Renlord. I like, people just go, oh, what's up, Renlord? And I'm like, forget, that's my fucking name. What was that, what was that girl's name? That was Sarah. Sarah.

What's Janando's order? I know yours, but hit me with it. All right. I get the, uh, the lemon chicken. What do they call it? The lemon and herb. They call it. They call it.

Pussy mode. Come on. There's more to it. I get that. And then I do fries and mash. I've seen it. The double carb. I believe we got it.

We didn't talk about it last time because we went to Nando's afterwards. Yeah. We have problems out here with Nando's right now. Yeah. With flight chain, just devastated. You can't get anything, dude. We went to the one by rehearsals and we went in there. We were like, all right, there's like six of us and they're like, okay, just so

you know, all this stuff we don't have. We're like, what is that? And it was like, okay, so no, only bone and chicken, no sides except fries and anything else. And like, also garlic bread. We're like, okay, that's fine, I guess. But it's kind of a bummer. That's like the beginning of the end. Yeah, I was like, if we have that since, that's like the only reason I'm like, okay, we're going to Europe.

I was like, okay, I guess I go. Yeah, we'll go. We got Nando's. That's fine. I'm into it. You know, here, none, problem. But anyway, what I get, um, get the butterfly chicken with the limited herb. But then I put the garlic medium sauce on it after.

Move. Because I want it in there. I get the peri-peri-selted chips and the garlic bread. And now they have mac and cheese, which is pretty good. They what? It's good. They got a mac and cheese that's pretty good now. Wow, that was, that sounded almost as good as these two microphones.

Mac and fucking cheese. Pretty good. Yeah, yeah, pretty good. Has like some, like, crumbs. Yeah, you got some bread crumbs on it. Oh, my good God. It's got a little shit on top. I was to hit it up. What's the drink? Just a bottomless soda.

Yeah. Yeah. Diet. The phantas here pretty different. Pretty sweet. Yeah. I like the, like the fanta here. It's a real color. Yeah. Your one is like the color of that fucking light behind you. Yeah, it's worse for sure. I don't drink that at home. But here it's different, so I get that one. I always used to think that when I was a kid watching Keenan and Kale. Oh, talk about bad omens. I'm talking about Nickelodeon's Kean and Kelle.

And he'd be like, Kelle loves orange soda, right? And I'm like, no orange soda is that color. And then I went to America as a grown man. There it is. Calve literally loves orange soda. Not my pale yellow soda, which is much better for you. Your yellow one's pretty good. I like it.

That's all right. Okay. Well, I hope that answered your question. What was it, Sarah? Sarah. Thanks for the question. I'm really fucking hungry, no, so I wish I hadn't done that. I have a question for Thought Blaster.

All right. What we got? That has to fucking end. Taking care of your health isn't always easy, but it should at least be simple. That's why for the last year I've been drinking AG1 every day. No exceptions. Just one scoop mixed in water, once a day, every day. And it makes me feel energized and focused, ready to take on the day.

That's because at each serving of AG1 delivers my daily dose of vitamins, minerals, pre and probiotics, and more. It's a powerful, healthy habit that's also powerfully simple. Before AG1, I had a rigorous, and I mean rigorous, pill and powder routine. Every morning I'd take about seven different pills. When I'm traveling, I would have to take all of those little bottles with me because you can't go through an airport with just random pills and powders. Found that out the hard way in Dubai. When I'm on tour, I take the travel packs.

All of the nutrient info is on the side of the travel packs. There's no mistake about it, and I know the ingredients are sourced for absorption, potency and nutrient density at the highest level. If there's one product that I had to recommend to elevate your health, it's AG1, and that's why I've partnered with them for so long. So if you want to take ownership of your health, start with AG1. Try AG1 and get a free one-year supply of vitamin D3 and K2 and five free AG1 travel packs with your first purchase exclusively at drinkag1.com for slash the downbeat.

That's drinkag1.com forward slash the downbeat. Check it out. So you're on Twitter and so am I. Yeah. Termini online. I'm on there. Yeah. I'm on there too.

I saw a lot of confusion. I see a lot of confusion with Bad Overs fans in general. But one in particular where someone accused you of running the boys into the ground. Like when Noah lost his voice. Yeah, I'm this like crazy dictator. booking the shows, right? I'm holding the gun to their head and making them get on stage if they don't want to. It's all me.

Would you like to explain what a tour manager actually does just so we can clear the air? Because people will be watching this and they'll be like, yeah, that's him. That's the guy. That's the guy that canceled everything. He's the one that made him miss shows. It's all his fault. All right, cool. So typically we get with our like management team and our booking agents and we'll go for

some routing, pick out a bunch of dates, place. is we want to go. You know, how many we want to do in a row that's not too crazy. Typically, we do, you know, anywhere from two to four in a row, so we're not getting too beat. You know, proper days off. Typically two on, one off, two on, one off, one off, three on, stuff like that. Nothing too crazy anymore.

We used to do like 11 on, one off, you know, just killing ourselves. We still do that. Well, we can't with all this shit now. It sucks. We got too much stuff. We can't do that all that every day now. So it's like, you know, anyway, we pick the amount of shows, pick whatever. We're going to do it.

And then, you know, when it comes down to announcing it, cool. Now we go find stuff. Source out some production, whatever our show design is going to be. Source out some vehicles, some trucks, some buses, some crew, get everybody in. But I'm not, you know, personally booking these shows back to back to back and making everybody get up there if they don't want to get up there. You know, nothing crazy like that. So it's just facilitating the plans that have been made with everyone's prior approval. everybody's on board with what we decide we want to do before we go out and actually do it.

It's not just like, here's where you're going, show up. It's, you know, we're pretty all aware of what's happening before we get out there or like, you know, present a ready to go plan before it is actually acted upon, you know? And then day to day on a tour, you are essentially, other than doing this, ignore front of house from this. Sure. That's a lot of work anyway. but you are essentially the babysitter for the band, a tour manager. I'm talking in the layman's terms,

because people must see tour and manager. Yeah. And just go, well, that's the person that managed the whole tour into existence. That is essentially how it works, but now, like, as far as how we operate, there's, like, a lot, a lot more production going on.

So band's pretty self-sufficient. They all hang out and do their own thing. They're not, like, off-site. Typically, we're all together in the same place. You know, these people aren't, they're not nuts. They're not, like, need to be, managed as far as like where they're at and what they're doing and what's going on sometimes we need to

go do like a radio thing or like interviews or source you know press timings and things like that but we usually make people come to us for that but most of the time now it's coming there we go there we go this is this is different you know but typically everything's just working on managing production for day of show you know so but i also do have help now i got assistant now for tour assistant TM. Yeah, super great. And a production coordinator, so she's back there helping. She's really the one kind of coordinating like band personal things as far as like, you know, we're doing food orders and we're taking care of crew. We have questions for the venue runners or back-of-house hospitality and things like that so I can more focus on like the next show or the next tour or the next

year things we're planning on working on as far as, you know, all of that. Would you ever be able to do that. He's stressing me out just saying. I don't think I could. I mean, you had to scale into it. If I got dropped into this, it'd be like, do this sucks. But like, you know, getting to like make the system and then, like, facilitate the things you need to operate said system makes it a lot easier. Like, also, yeah, it's not like having to, yeah, you're not getting air dropped into something where you're just like, go operate within these bounds figured out. I can just do whatever as long as it works. So it's fine. I can also get people to help do whatever I need them to do so that every, everything does work. So it's a little bit different than what a lot of other bands do because they have

like very set bounds that people have to operate within and it kind of makes stuff hard because if someone needs to do something outside of that, they're not able to, you know. And obviously before I had help, it was just like, dude, this, this, I was getting beat, you know, having a lot on is like huge for me. So also fighting the success of the band while only being one guy was probably pretty difficult because the band was just going. Yeah. And it really, there's a lot. Durkis running around. I remember that on that talk. Being a crazy person running around. Constantly running around. And that was on a support thing too.

And then like we really scaled a production on the first headline at the end of that year. And then since then it's just been just like, okay, we'll learn about production at like the most extreme level you possibly can retain. Straight in it. Straight in at pyro. Yeah. Here we go. You know, I was doing pyro cues before we came here. Wow.

Here you go. Figure it out. You got any production? Got any like big, big fucking... Tall riser, big drum on the side. People love doing that shit. Don't put me on the side, man. He's terrified that we're going to put him like

far stage left or far stage right on a set one day so he's just like off in the back. Wait till that fucking synth member comes in. No, no, no, no, no. I think if it's done, if it's done properly, like I feel like bring me shows pretty cool. I mean, I probably wouldn't mind that. He's pretty, he's up there.

He's up there. And he's not, he's like, not like. But hasn't they got? present. I don't know who they've got on this tour. Have they got someone replacing Jordan? No, they got a stage. Their other guitar player is up in that opposite of him up there. So drums are staged left up in the tall riser and their other guitar player is up on the other side of guy. Yeah, yeah. He's up there now. I was in a death metal band with JJ. Really? Really? He's a real. He's fucking great. All right. Big handsome fucking shredder.

Unreal. Yeah, we used to play a death metal band called Viatrophy, like 14. years ago. Holy. Jeez. Yeah. That's cool. Really fucking crasting. Yeah.

Just blast. Can't do it anymore. I can blast. I can't do the fast feet. Dude, I never could. I was always so hard for me. I could go fast hands, but as far as getting feet going, I'd hit the wall like 180. Sorry.

Yeah. I'm done. You got ripping feet. Dude, he's going now. Trying. How do you, do you think you've got better as, because you've been fucking touring like a monster? Are you getting like tour starts? getting progressively better the whole way through or because i personally tour starts i'm ripping i get

tired i get shit oh man that's a good one i feel like yeah i get more dialed in as the tour goes on but i will say for my feet when i was younger i could fly and then i almost had to like relearn how to do it with the click and everything but now it's all different with the click yeah these big shows is that click feeling slow because of the adrenaline yeah got to say The first song. Into Dthrone, dude, you are doing that triplet 16th thing. Fastest is shit from day one. From day one.

It took you a while. It did. It was bad. It was bad. It was a little off and on. But now it's just clean and fast. So I think you started at like 100 on this one. Nice.

Even better. We also, we sent our stuff over. We freighted our gear from the U.S., which is like, we're good to go. You guys are such a big real band now. We sent our stuff. So we have our, our, home gear, so we're operating at 100 right now. It's fucking sweet.

Having that's cool. Home drum rug. Everything is just the same place it fucking was. Getting a, getting a vault made here. Yeah, we're doing B-rig now. Maybe I can put a certain drum kit in it and leave it here. Nice. Who wants it? Yeah, who wants it?

If it's not, if it's not fucking tamar, I'm going to be so annoyed. Well, there's one hiccup there, but we probably shouldn't talk about it. Can I guess? Sure. DW. What? Well, something about that.

I can guess it. I guess it anyway. You don't have to tell me. I use a DW 9,000 snare drum stand. I don't know if they know. Okay. Well, they do now. I'm not not using that stand.

But also, what about the other stands? I use the tam ones and they're fine for me. Well, we would love to keep the DW ones. They'll let you do that. Loads of people do it. Yeah. Guess who said no? Maypex.

No. Apex says yes. Toma? Yeah. No. 100% hit the wall, who said, play the drums.

I think we can... I think we can... Figure it out. Because guess who's playing Tama drums and GW. Stans? Who? Yeah, he's playing...

He's playing a pearl snare drum. Yeah. Yeah, the... And guess who said we couldn't do that? Divini Paul. Not about the snare, but said we couldn't use the hardware. Couldn't not use hardware.

It's like, really? Deal break over this, all right? Yeah, but you were like one tour away from them going, do whatever you want. like they do with Nichols. Dude, yeah. He's rocking two kicks now.

I saw it. It looks fucking sick. Two kicks one rack. I wonder how it feels. Probably your legs are like, I want to go up there. All the way out of there, you know? It feels crazy.

Would you ever do two kicks? Please don't. I guess not. Ignore him. I think I, I mean, I'm not setting it up, so yeah, I would. Exactly, yeah. I'd do fucking so much.

If they were legit, like, I don't want a fucking double pedal. I don't think it sounds good. I think it's like way looser. Yeah. a single kick on a big open bass drum when you're hitting it like at half the amount of time there's just way ringier whereas the second beater isn't muting it's not hitting it it's just fucking big brain on this fucker check me out one kick yeah that's the one yeah well other people yeah look at it yeah other people they just do a dummy kick if they put

a second one up it's just to look that way yeah get dummy kick up there bad i'm definitely Keep in one rack, though. I love one rack. Yeah, one rack, two floors, two kicks. Yeah. It's fucking happening. Nah, we're good. It's fucking happening.

We don't actually know, we already made the vault for the one. Yeah, we did. Sorry. We're screwed. You fucked it. Let me speak to timer. Let me see what's- Get in there.

Get in there, man. His endorsement manager. He's a cool guy. UK guy or US guy? UK guy. You got, you got to get to, he's a legend. We only did email with the US guy. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to leave. And then I got him on the phone. This was ages ago.

I got him on the phone and he was just the best. Just do whatever you want. Good. Fine. You need the bell bust. You need that shit. You need the whole rig, you know?

You need to custom... How's fishing going? Fuck, man. Just right back out of it. Sometimes my brain goes too much drums. I'm fine with that. Fish me? Fish you?

I haven't gone. You haven't been. I haven't been a lot. It was cold now. I went like on my time off. I had like three... months off and then it got cold so i just stayed out of the you can't fish in the cold you can but it's just it sucks it's harder different fish i in my head it's Pokemon you know when it's like

icy on Pokemon go like they don't the new ones are out now you got gen two they're gen two fish in that fucking six i have 150 no i haven't gone in a while man you're missing it i am missing it missing the tranquil life yeah i need to be out in the water what at what time can you go back to doing it? Spring. Oh, trout. Right when we get home. Is that right? Is that right? Yeah. Why do I know that trout is springtime? Why the fuck do I know that? Because we talked last time.

You taught me. I taught you. You're the only person I know that could have possibly taught me there. Get those fucking trouts, baby. Fuck yeah, man. I've been thinking about every time I drive past like a river, I'm like, Foley was like that. I see someone fishing. I'm like, that could be me in folio. We should do that, man. In fucking Scotland, we get a shopping trolley

and some dead people. Dude in the van, he used to, you know, he had his rig up in the front of the trailer. When we were vanning it, we would just, you know, I'd be driving over and I'd stop at like a Walmart or someplace where there's water. He'd wake up and he'd just go find literally any water that was in walking distance and just go, go rip it.

What are you wearing when you fish? Is there like fish these, or is there like... Oh, dude, when I'm home and I'm trout fishing? Yeah. Because I go in the water. Get the waiters. That's what. That's all I wanted to know.

Got the waiters on. I got my vest, my net with a magnet so you can, you know, get in there. What? The net's got a magnet. I don't know what. I don't even talking about. Like the net hooks to your back, but it's on a magnet so you can pop it off. Techers.

And then, you know, get your catch. Get your fish. Yeah. What color are your waders? This is good content. Oh, they're like a gray. Classic. Wait, I feel like if a band could ever get away of waders on stage, it's going to be you guys.

Holy shit. Yeah. Imagine trying to play drums in those. Oh, my God. Well, they must be like... It's not neoprene. It might be. Just something like is completely water resistant.

I do not get wet. You don't get wet at all. That would be so bad to play the drums in. Oh, you'd be impossible, dude. Yeah. Imagine how much you'd sweat in there. Couldn't get out at all. I played three songs with those mischief big red boots on.

Dude. Really? The big crazy. The memes? I played three songs with those on because we were on tour with that band A Void. And they're boys with Zero. And they all went out to a sneaker store. I can't remember where we were.

And they were all like, look at the big red boots. And Zero was like, I'll buy those for you if one of you wears them on stage for the rest of the tour. Like you can, you can, you know, just swap it. And they did it. And I saw them. And I saw a video Chris wearing them. Yeah.

Let me fucking play. And they were. not only so completely there's no ankle movement at all. You're just stomping it. It was like waiters. That's like fucking... Probably I think the wettest leg

ever in the world he took those off. You did it during a show? No, I didn't sound check. Oh man. That wouldn't way funnier. But I was pretty... Yeah, I wanted to try it in sound check and then I'd be like, I could probably play the whole show.

Can I get through this? No. No fucking way. No way. I just wanted to, like, because I wear like fucking little wanker. I wear like little tiny shorts and no shirt on. Imagine that with a big red boots. That'd be sick.

That would be crazy. That would rock. That'd be a good one. Yeah. But it's about, it couldn't happen. Nah. I don't think waiters will happen either. No. If you want to lose weight, wear some waiters and start ripping drums.

Start ripping the drums. Start ripping the drums. And then dump them out when you're done because it's just going to be a bunch of water. Yeah. You got any hobbies? I like plants. I have a big garden guy at home. Oh, you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know this about you. Grow my peppers? Okay, so COVID, I didn't have anything to do, you know? We weren't, like, doing as much. We didn't really have as much going on. New record wasn't out. Things were just kind of slow for like the first six to eight months of that.

So it's gotten a plants. So growing my peppers, make my jalapenos, get my salsis. Also, like my lettuce because I can make my salads. I know. It's cool. Fucking between the two of you. He's had my stuff. If society collapses, I'm like, I'm going to mat for veg and I'm going to folio for my fish.

Got my tomatoes. We just need a carb guy. Any of you a baker, no are a baker? I don't have any, I don't grow any wheat. You don't go any wheat. I don't grow any wheat. Wait, you've got, you've got pets, right? Oh, yeah.

What you got? I got, uh, my two dogs. Two dogs. Ah, you don't got, I thought you might have a cat as well. I don't have any plant plant wear in here, as you can see. Yeah, I look a little bit. Faker's, fake as fuck. Okay.

Fake as fuck. Because that's a, um, that's Japanese. A, um, bonsai. Ponzi. Yeah. That's cool. fake. Don't tell them. We just told everyone. It's all fake. Because the cat's fucking

pissing it. Really? In the last flat we had like a nice monstera and shit and then it started to die. And they were, why is it dying? They ever chew on the leaves? Chew on the leaves? They love that shit. And it just killed a plant. But you don't have, you got any tips there? No tips? Not really, no. I know that there's sprays

you can get. That's like anti... I think they've made stuff. No, I know they have. That's a tip? It's like a spray. Not really, but here's the tip. anyway. Yeah, I haven't got any tips, but here's the tip. Yeah, I don't know, but here's a thing I know. So, like, you can, it's a spray that's, uh, yeah, I think it's like fine for plants, but cats, they think it tastes so bad. You can spray it like around it. It's like a, they hate the way it smells. And if they get close to it and they like, buy it, they're like, oof, this sucks, you know?

Simon, you know the shopping list that we wrote for studio gear. Mm-hmm. Can you put, uh, plant spray for cats on it, please? We'll see if it works. It might exist. You might not have it over it. here. No, we have it. Check me out. You guys. Just fucking got me. Um, motorbike. What's going on? I want to catch up with all that other stuff because I'm invested. Last time, I didn't do anything to my, my bike, but I got a new seat, which is way better for my ass. Why? What's a normal? I don't again. Man, the stock seat is good, but you, if you sit in for a few hours,

sucks. Prostate pain. Yep. Got a new seat, love it. Any funky color? No. Just with black. Black with a diamond pattern. Did you get it before that big trip down to Florida? I did.

There you go. Oh yeah, I went to Florida. How long was that drive? 14 hours. Holy shit. Yeah. You do it in one? Yeah, I had 10 minutes.

I stopped at the gas station for 10 minutes. What the fuck? He did 14 hours straight. You only needed to fill up once? No, no. Basically, I went with two other buddies and we're trying to do this thing where you get there in 24 hours. Oh, but you had 10 minutes.

Wait, so it's a race? You basically had, yeah, you had 10 minutes at a gas station enough to use the bathroom, fill up, get some jerky, enroll. And we crushed it. Yeah, it was sweet. That's fucking sick. How many people? Three total, including me.

What were you wearing? This is what I care about is what you wear when doing activities. That's all I care about. Had my jeans on, my boots, my vest. I had a jacket on because it was raining a little bit. What leather jacket? Oh, yeah.

I need to see. I need to see this because I only ever see you in like day clothes, drumming clothes. I never see the fucking badass kid rock folio. I have to show you some picks. Get me a pick and you get me a pick that I can put up here. All right. Whatever one you're looking fucking sick. All right.

There you go. Yeah. You ever think about, you probably haven't got time to do side hustles. You got any side hustles? still got that OG gig yeah I mean I got like a little thing I do at home it's cool

I work on pharmaceutical equipment oh yeah we talked about it last time but like I want to get I want to do other things too I feel like you know I want to kind of get into that biker gear world the guy from fit for an autopsy does it

Tim has got a tombstone hardware it's called really and it's like leatherware and shit for motorcycles and I like see him doing it. That's fucking cool. That is cool. Look at those little eyes lighting up.

That's happening. That's coming. Two kicks. You got a bike company. Two kicks. I like that. Oh, no. Oh, you're saying, we're doing that.

There was a comment between those two. But two kicks motorcycle code is kind of sick. If I opened a bar, I'd probably call it a... Here it is. I call it third base. Yeah. Last stop before home. the fact that he and where he knows that means that this is an idea that you've had

he's been talking about this one for a while I think he should that'd be good are you thinking about doing it I mean it's just a joke it's a bit that could be a thing we could become a thing because it's a good name it makes sense it's a good name you got to get some little space next of the field I do I really want to get like drum recording stuff for home you know yeah we've been talking about that one for a long time I need to do it I don't know I'm going to Does that say you? You got the space to do it? I will soon.

Nice, good for you. Hopefully, yeah. Good for you. Yeah. Say no more. Good for you. Yeah, definitely do that. That's just the fucking, like,

I came back to Twitch last week, and I was just like, I fucking missed this. Dude, I did, and it's money for playing the drums. Yeah, Cooter and I did that. I did a stream on his channel. We had a day off. Who, sorry?

Cooter, my tech. Oh, I saw that. It was so fun, man. We just played random. Yeah, they went great, too. Yeah. It was awesome. man. Yeah, get that done.

Get in there. So sick. Yeah, then you can just like play drums off tour just all the time and like it. And then you, you know, there's your side gig. You get better. You get to hang out with fans and shit, like a better connection because it's just fucking through a screen. They can talk to you straight away without having to like hunt you down at a venue, which sucks for everyone. Right.

But like you get that way more personal connection. And then the best thing, you don't have to split that money. Yeah. That's just yours, baby. I know. You just keep it. That's cool. He can fucking mix it.

I know. Speaking of mixing, this is a perfect tangent, professional podcast. All right. What's your deal with the engineering side about him? Because I don't think I knew this. When we go to do, you know, go in a studio to record, I just engineer the, you know, how that works. You just what engineering is. People listening don't know what engineering is.

Okay. So when you're, so engineering, we were recording, right? So like... To listen to how all I slightly annoyedy is. I don't... Having to dumb it down for people. Let's try to make it make sense in the easiest way.

So setting up, like through our interfaces, making sure that we have the right input sources, making sure we have the nice signal that we'd like to work with, making sure, because we use like a lot of outboard stuff for vocals now, making sure we have like the best source tones possible, you know, and just working on like a lot of the nuanced stuff for like vocal takes and for drum takes and now working with him on like a lot of the Phil stuff

now to kind of make it to where it's not so. That's borderline producing though. Yeah, it's in there. You know, I'm in there. He's in there because engineering in my head is just, like you said, getting the source sounds right, setting fucking shit up. But if he's giving you Phil ideas.

Working on working with stuff. You know? Working on, we're in there working. working on harmonies. Does he ever give you stinkers or stuff you can't play? Just the one. Yeah, there's like a weird bell thing.

But he figured it out. Yeah. In something in the future? Leak it. Actually, no, this one, we played this song live, actually. Uh-huh. Already.

Play it last tour. We kind of revamped an old song on the first record. And it has like really cool double-based stuff. Mega bell. Yeah, hi-hat going. Ding, did ding, ding, ding, do ding, do-ding. Alter dating off it.

So, like, you programmed it. You had to learn it afterwards. I kind of love it when someone does that. But it was a challenge, you know. But I did it based off of, like, me being able to do it. And he just, you know, did differently. Oh, yeah. Also a drummer.

Yeah. So I was like, so, yeah, that's the whole thing. Like, you know, no Angelio program stuff. And it's just like, you guys don't do. What are you doing? You know, like that? Who's the worst out of those two in programming drums? I don't know, actually, because I don't know.

Probably no, honestly. Really? Because he'll, like, make up a kick and snare pattern that's like, all right, but he just did something just total crazy thing with, like, high hats in the middle of it or like accents similar. Yeah, just do that. Here's where I want to kick. Here's where I want to the snap.

Let's put ghost notes while you're doing doubles on your high hat. How are you going to do that? Doesn't work. And then Jolly, he's like, I don't know. When he, like, air drums, it makes more sense. You can tell who's worse based off of how they're. air drum. Right. No, it's just doing whatever.

In my head, I was doing this. Yeah, and then, you know, if you were watching an air drum and then Jolly, you know, he'll hit the dick-a-dick-it every in time. And I'm like, okay, he kind of knows what's going on. Yeah. Getting those little within the aerodrums thing where you set up a camera and it's, it has reflected things. I'm going to get much more now.

Here we go. Get on those and they can write it that way. Just fucking air drum in a way. And we go, okay, the rule is you either have to get good at. programming drums or we are going to use exactly what you air drum right now record it and fucking flops it's my fault sucks now um yeah that's how it goes yeah you want to talk about this single sure we probably should because everyone go why don't they talk about what fishing and the fucking uh different motorbike use and no no single yeah poppy collaboration yeah

collab shit. Was she approached? Or did she approach? I think she was approached. Yeah. Yeah, a good one to do. Good one to approach. Yeah.

Same team, same management and everything. So everybody was already familiar with each other. Kind of been around. So kind of worked out. So not, not, you know, not too hard to get a hold of people if you want to ask. Is it a complete?

Because it is quite electronic. Uh-huh. Yeah. Is it, is it recorded? or is it like in the box? Is there real drums in there? I don't know. Oh, yeah.

Like, from hearing it, I was like, it's very, it's very like, I don't know, like meant to sound like that on purpose. It's supposed to be super robotic. Cyborg. Oh, yeah, I'm not, I'm just being, because a lot of these bands in your genre.

We did go track. It was all done before this tour. We went out and recorded and put a bunch of stuff together. So we actually went and did all that. Yeah, which was cool, you know. It was fucking sick. Yeah, that was about what,

three weeks before this tour? We went out there and tracked everything. Where was it tracked? Steakhouse Studios. Uh-huh. And is that North Hollywood? Hungry. I think so.

Yeah. We love that room. Yeah. Did the last record there. And then a record before that. Nice. Yeah. Set up, tracked.

Written without Poppy and then sent to her? Or was it like a collaborative music? Yeah, it was written with like a, I don't know. I hope I don't botched this. But I'm pretty sure it was done with like AI, vocal, like, because they didn't have like a female singer in mind when making it. It was done with AI to like make it sound like way with like in place of Noah, I believe.

And then I was like, this would be cool to get like do full collaboration with. And then they hit a poppy, I believe. Yeah. I think. Because yeah, there's like plugins and things that exist now that you can like do full on like

AI like that's Stephen Hawking. Female vocal, whatever. He's canceled, bro. It's allowed. It's a plug and you pay for. it. They were fine with it. Speaking of plug-ins,

speaking of Stephen Hawking. There was a, I can't remember if we used this snare drum on that song, but there was a snare we had and... So professional. I love that. I love you. You're diffusing from Stephen Hawking. Go. It had a fucking plug-in. That is the one we use for this one. Yeah. Yeah. The fucking snare

drum weighed 55 pounds and it had a so heavy. Plug in. You plugged it in and it went to the guys in the board. What did that do? I don't know, Matt, what were they doing in there? So it was like a 14 by 5, I believe, just the heaviest snare we were picked up. And it had, you know, snare top, snare bottom, normal guy. Yeah.

And then it had the XLR directly in. And it had like a, for exactly what it was. I'm not going to try to say it because it's going to be totally wrong. But it was just a, I believe it was a shell mic inside the shell. Oh, okay. And then just picked up what was going on inside it. And we just compressed and distorted the abs. the absolute shit out of it.

So it was just trash mic essentially. And I think it got mixed in under it. Yeah. It was just like cool to have like a third little option. In my head, that would sound terrible. It sounded like dog shit for sure. But when you mix it in properly and it's like in parallel and it's all under everything, it's pretty cool.

Yeah. However, by itself, you know. It was cool. It was sick to have and it was, I think it ended up getting used appropriately. Yeah, because it sounds like, I mean, that's my shit. My shit is like fucking nine inch and hours. health perturbitter, like all of that shit. It's like snare bottom only but worse, but also distorted to shit.

This is supposed to be an electronic drum town, but it fucking isn't. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you think? Like, I'm liking inside a drum. It's pretty, you know, weird. Yeah, it definitely sounded weird in the ears. Oh, yeah. Are you going to be playing, are you playing that song on this tour?

No. In Europe. Yeah, in Europe. In Europe, you're not on, yeah, on our headliner. Once we've listened to this, it will be out. Yeah. Yep. When everybody knows about it, we'll be doing it.

Have you rehearsed it yet? Yeah. How is it playing along to those electronic drums? Or are you playing them with pads? Because I fucking hate it when I have to play along. You know, there is... We didn't get into that yet. There's like a part on that song where it'll be very easy to program the pad and like...

Yeah, yeah, you'll have a pad. Yeah, for the fucking... You're gonna play it? Yeah, I'm like... He plays all that. Yeah, I don't like to... That's why we had to pad, so he's not to stand in there all the time. You know what? I didn't see it last time when you came here and I came to the show because I was right at the fucking back. I couldn't see you.

Oh, we got that pad up the whole time. He's like every single song because you got so much electronic stuff now. And you're playing them all? Yeah. Well, most of them. Most of them. Kick snare stuff, hats and things like that. It's always in there. Yeah. That's man, we got that's sick. I would love to do that because I hate it when we've actually got two bits in the set where it's just like, low-fi drums. And they're just on the track. And I watch a video from front of house. And I'm like, I'm fucking. I'm early and I can hear my kick and snare flamming with the fucking lo-fi drums. Your friend of house guy can't lo-fi? What's going on? Ronnie. You can't put the stuff on there? Yeah, I guess not. You just put the effect on here.

Do you know what? It was the first time we were doing it in his defense. It's hard to do. He would, um, he didn't have his own desk on that. Oh, yeah. No, right. We were, we were running. No, no. top three. I get it. I get it. Top three sound guys. Matt Dirkers. Thank you. Ronnie Young. Very good. Logan. Logan. That's my three. Yeah. That's my fucking three. Logan. I'm just more familiar with him, but his, his mixes are crazy. Just working with you with you. You got it in there. Like, I can't ever go back from

there. And apologies to anyone else that's mixed our band, but you're, sorry. You're not as good. And it's like, I can't go back from that. It's very, very, very. very, very important. I mean, dude, it is. Like, I've been here since day one. Like, you know, all our tours we ever did. But, like, there's like a direct correlation between how much merch you sell and how good you sell. Oh, 100%. Yeah. You don't have bad sound guy. You're not going to sell as much merch. Sorry. Yeah. You want to sound really, really good. You're going to make a whole bunch more on tour. So just pay, pay them more money and then, or just pay what they cost and you'll make more money as a result. It's just like directly connected. Never seen a band sound bad. Sell a ton.

never happens. All three of those soundguises are really fucking expensive. Good. Yeah, good for you. Good. Good for you. All that money for fucking lettuce and plants and shit. There we go.

Plants. Go on. That was it. That was it. It's all for plants. I thought we had more. My dogs, my plants. The kick drums on the new song.

What's the new song called again? I forgot it already on it. Van. Van. Well, the working title is V-A-N, but it's violence against nature. Not sure how it's coming out. By this point, it will be out by either one of those things. VAN or violence against nature interchangeably.

Is no one we're going to sing it live? Or is it like, what's going to happen live? We are going to live. It's more about collaboration thing. I know how it's going. I made the tracks for the live stuff with them already. So we're good. But like, we know what we're doing.

So live, he'll do it with her. We have like a vocal, him of his vocal, like, severely affected. so it can work with her in tandem in a live situation. Because recorded, it's just her all the way only. Yeah, yeah. And then live, he'll be out there and they'll kind of tag team it, make it cool. So I can do like a live version of it too, which is different.

Wait, is she coming on a tour? You're going to put it in the mix. She's, uh, she's on the tour for Europe. So that's why it's sick. We plan this whole thing. That's the whole thing. It's a whole thing. Just two bands. Hoping us.

The dream. Really? You like two? Oh, you don't. Johnny Hangout. Yeah. In fact, once I've got, actually, once I've got a drum tech, give me more and more bands. Yeah. But like, checking for yourself on a four-band bill. You don't want to do that.

Yeah, nah, nah, nah, nah. No, you're right. It's hard. You have a... Who's pop he got playing drums for you? Give me, I probably got a drummer. I actually don't know. I don't know.

He's good, though. We met them very briefly. In Mexico, we did a festival. I want to hear he's bad. He's very good. Do me a favor. Get him canceled on this tour. I quit me.

I couldn't. I've got so much time off. Do you? Easy to get someone canceled. Say it. What do you guys got going on? Fucking nothing. Why you got all this time off?

What's going on? We're going to write next month. All that, yeah, that's not time off. That it kind of is. Time off a tour. Yeah, that's time off. Are you going to the States? Yeah, we're going to New Jersey, Will Putney.

Will. William, always. That's a spot. Love it. We're in two weeks next month. And then to write it, finish writing it. it, then two weeks in July to record it.

So you already got a bunch of them? Wow. Six. That's a bunch. Yeah. Six that are like four of them are, this is a full song. Two of them are like, we are connecting the second chorus to the breakdown away. And then we have a bunch more ideas. I mean, it's two weeks. You can crank out another five, six? Yeah, probably we're pretty fucking speed.

That's quick. We don't have to think about the pop hooks. You guys have got that pop hook thing. We got, oh, is it sexy enough? We're just like, is he angry enough yet? Still angry, done. Our time's up. You're going to do some collabs.

We need to, I mean, we always do that. Some people in there. We peek too early with our collabs, I think. Our band got significantly bigger post-COVID. Yeah. And we'd already done, like Brian Garris. Sam. Who's new?

We'd already done Sam, like, who's new? Who you got? Good, good band. I ain't got fucking anyone. Get someone on there. Do you know what? I talked to a completely separate of this. I talked to Josh Middleton, ex-architects yesterday.

Because I had this idea for a band in my head. And I was like, you're the only person that can do this. I was like, you know how typonegative is just like, essentially it's just in a fucking blues key. But then it's got a sexy fucking guy, RIP, over the top of it. it's like blues keys got so much room for like shredding like serious fucking shredding so I was like well you got these bands like polypher and stuff like that

where they're doing they're like good band that's not me insulting them but I was like imagine you did a typo negative style band some sexy fucking singer I see you guys be a sexy singer I need a bit that sexy singer money but it's like

shreding as well And I was like, Josh, write this. I'll find someone sexy and write this. So I might have a new band. Cool. He shreds. I'm just into sexy music these days as well. That's all right.

You got time to do it, do it. Just, I mean, I can say this because you probably can't say this. A lot of people strip into bad omens these days. Really? Yeah. We're the new nickel back. No, there's the new death tones. New hinder?

Death tone. Death tones are getting like pushed away. Death tones is boomer shit now. You've got, you got bad omens, you got a sleep token. They're two big ones. I've heard.

I haven't been there. Just heard from other people. Haven't been, I don't know. I wouldn't know either, but they definitely are doing it. And it's, that's a sign of this.

We fuck with that. Yeah, if you can get the sexiness in the music, do you know how many people listen? Like on my, statistics of like Instagram, how many like the percentage are girls, fucking 4%.

I was going to say less, a lot. You know why it is? It's because I ain't got a sexy voice. Not saying that girls can't like heavy fucking music. Right. But if you can do that, I'm just, I'm trying to sell myself on my own band. If you can get that the sort of people who like the heaviness, but also like the weekend. Yeah.

That's, come on. There it is. Come on. He can sing as well. I know. It wouldn't. You guys sound fucking bad. You guys are doing great with what you do. If you started doing that, you need some other stuff out there. You know, you start getting some little trackies going in there.

Yeah. Another guitar going in there. You know, like. We did. You know, about that. Yeah. You know, in a live situation, which is cool. I think it's sick.

One of the only ones that, like, just straight up do it. Yeah. There was a lot of track allegations coming at you. the Reddit. This is overdubbed. No, it's not. I'm just good, sorry. Yeah, do you want to, without giving away your secrets?

I'll tell everybody, I don't care. Yeah, because there's a lot of it. Let's do two separate ones. Vocals on the backing track and autotune. Yeah, there's some tuning. It's not crazy. Which everyone fucking has, by the way.

That's a normal thing. And we do it at like a very delicate level, but we automate it part to part. Sometimes you want that super pop extra polished, like need it, that R. Kelly sound, and you do it intentionally as an effect, not because you're covering something up or trying to like overdo something, but it's done intentionally because it sounds like metallic. It's, you know, puts that weird sheen on it in like a cool robotic way, which is very intentional, you know? Yeah. And then, you know, automate that part up, stuff like that, you know? Most of the time you're just doing it.

He's just good. You know, he's just a straight up good singer. He's straight up rehearses the set like every day at home. At some point, at home, pretty much every single day off tour, he just runs the entire set, just by himself, just sings. Couldn't do that either. To the recorded session and just does it. And everyone's like, why he's so good?

Is this fake? No, he's just good. If you want to be good, go practice. Yeah. Go practice. The first two days of that tour, I didn't know either. I was like, he's these motherfuck are on track.

No, no. And then I... Because I'm fighting for my life out there trying to keep the symbols and the snare out of it. I'm just, uh, you know, just trying to keep it out of there. I scoped your front while,

while you guys were playing. And I was like, oh, I can see it. And then, this is a, this is a little top secret shit. This is the top secret shit.

And then what's the other thing? Oh, I heard him warming up one day. And I was like, goodness me, that man could sit. You should do this thing where like we'd do the gray. And there's like this big part in the chorus or the,

is it a chorus or something? We'd like sing in the note to be like, oh yeah. We'd like move the mic around on his face to like, like, this is real. You know, you'd hear him like going in and out and in and out. Dude, kind of became like a running bit. But yeah.

And then we got, you know, you said, what, tracked vocals? No, we don't have tracked vocals. We have some harmonies for layers here and there because you can't sing five harmonies under it, you know. Very meticulous with the recording process and making full chords pretty much throughout an entire chorus or stuff going in and out. And he can't do, you know, sing along with himself six times. Jolly Crush is one of them. him out. Jolly's great at singing a harmony live, but that's only one of them, you know, so

there's some stuff under there, but yeah, he's just doing it. And obviously, we're missing shows if he has to get sick or something happens. That's what I was going to say. You think we'd rather just, like, lose money. You guys are just fit with fake. We just get up there and fake it. You know, we're losing tons, missing shows. What are you talking about? Did you see the sleep

token one? Dude, yeah. Oh, what? With the Wembley. Dude, yeah. And they just got through it, like champs. That is sick. He ended up singing that night too didn't he you just you need to lean on the crowd which is cool you know you're that i felt so fucking sorry for him it's like the biggest nobody wants that show like that's like a you know that that exact thing happening to us where we had to be like dude got to miss some stuff

where we need to need some help where we got like you know stars and era got up and saying some songs with us it was like really cool and helpful but it just wasn't you know you don't want to you don't let anybody down we try so hard to be like fully present and ready to go and like rehearsed and take the best care possible of everybody on tour so no one gets sick and everybody's just ready to go and feels good and is happy doing it and when you get sick it's just like the most deflating thing and it's like it doesn't happen to me so but it affects everybody and obviously everybody feels how you know the results of that and just how that kind of sucks you know but now it's not tracked because we're missing shows so if it was tracked we'd

just be being tracked i saw shit with the sleep token one i want want to come back to getting sick until someone remind me, Simon, that's what you're here for. With a sleep token one, I saw people being furious that he didn't sing. And I was like, that actually made me despair for musical society because I was like, you are essentially just telling me you'd rather they were faking it. And also, if they did fake it, they would lose their minds. Yeah. They would be, I can't believe he didn't sing.

And on the other hand, if they found out that he wasn't singing, I can't believe he's not saying it. You just want him to be inhuman. I know he's got a mask on, but there is a man there. Yeah, there's a guy in there, and he's trying his hardest. He's probably crying that. Yeah, the guy's miserable right now. You suck. How do you play when you're sick?

I don't get sick. I got fish. Well, I don't know why that's your voice in my head. I don't think you've ever missed a show from being sick, have you? I just play, yeah. Like, he just suffers. I just, yeah. Like, I remember on, we did that chip rock thing, and I ate, I ate something that night, but I let it sit out too long, and I shouldn't have done that.

What was it? Fish? Yeah, it was lobster. Oh, you fucking hit you. Fuck me, right? Dude, come on. And I woke up and I fucking food poisoning. I had fucking wristbands that pregnant women wear. I'm just dying in my room for five hours.

Were you seasick? Did you have those seasick issues as well? Not at all. No, okay. Food poisoning on a boat, though. That ain't cool. you just play at night so I had some hours to but wow that stage day or theater day

that was the inside day where you played we were at the very front of the boat that day and that's where it was like the most you were feeling the most shit going while playing you could feel the boat moving yeah you could see the what's that like to drum fucked up you just got to kind of you need those two kicks yeah bounce me out yeah

get that new vault you you were a pretty sick man on that so sick that wasn't what I was getting into but I was you're better now obviously right fucking yeah just don't ever do a dry tour again that's what happened I didn't drink for the first time in my life

your body was like what is going on and I fucking got a science infection that then became the last point before it becomes meningitis like it got moved to behind my eyes and once it moves behind your eyes it moves into your brain and then you fucking get meningitis oh awesome And then I saw 70 minutes set, first longest set, no drinking, plus this fucking virus, went to hospital twice in the end because we had back-to-back tours, went to the US,

thought it had gone away, got antibiotics. Then it came back, had to go to fucking urgent care in Brooklyn, get more antibiotics, got better. But then once I got better, it was like a superhuman because I've been playing through the sickness. Oh, yeah. I was just like, it's like you took the weights off. Oh, it was fucking crazy. You know, and just playing with weights on and you take them off. You're like, I'm even better.

It was literally not as the best I've ever played. To the point where I'm like, in my head, I'm like, do I just run myself the fuck down before I next go on tour? So tour feels like a vacation. Just start doing heroin and shit. I'm doing H. I'm fucking. I'll get clean for the tour, guys. No, that's how it starts.

I derailed myself by talking about that. Simon, hit me with another one of these cues. Hi. The question is for, Fulio, Matt, and also Craig. If someone were to write your autobiography, what would be the ideal last sentence? Last sentence of your autobiography.

Who is that from that? Was that from Yucca? That was our lovely Yucca. She runs a Twitter page called Craig out of context. It's just dumb, dumb shit that I say on Twitch. I kind of don't want getting leaked sometimes, but... Too bad. Sorry. So what would be the ideal last sentence for your autobiography?

I'm going to go with you first. Dude, I don't... Later. I don't know. But someone else is... Someone else is writing it. Autobiography is your writing it. Me?

So it's you. I guess I'll go... I mean, I'll go first then. I'll go first. That's a horribly hard question. I never think about myself. So I don't... Like that.

That's crazy. I guess mine would be a really mustache because all of this money and cool. shit everywhere is getting in the way of me writing my book. God. That's a good one.

It means I was successful. All this money and cool shit is getting in the way. A last good line of an autobiography is. Like what? Then you die? That's it. It's over. It's autobiographies. You've still got to be alive, haven't you? I don't know. That's tough.

Think this through. Dude, I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm going to paraphrase it because I don't think... Thank you. I don't think... I mean, I haven't read an autobiography. I don't think in, like, fucking 20 years. I never have.

I can't remember the last one I read was like, I read Arnie's autobiography. Really? I probably got it somewhere. We could put it up to get the last word. Let's, I'm going to paraphrase it, Yucke. I'm really sorry. What would you say,

what would you like to have achieved by the end of your life? Okay. Even harder. Even harder question on the spot. Not so bad. What do you want to do outside of this? Do you want kids? How old are you?

26. And I don't know if I want kids. No, you got time. I'm 36 and I don't know if I want kids. Seems like a... Easier for guys to kind of push that. Yeah. I don't know, though.

I don't know if my nuts are working. I've never had a... One way to find out. I've even got insane pull-out game or I'm just not firing. I guess I want to hopefully inspire people. That's the one. What I said to that is... Very good.

You'd like to inspire people? Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully I, you know, inspire some people. At the drums or fishing or motorbiking or just life? Life, drums. You inspire me to start fishing. Let's do it. I kind of want to...

You guys got a fish. Yeah. Come to come... Why don't you fish here sometime? You can figure it out. Get a day off. Go somewhere. In Scotland.

You could. Not like directly here. There's great line. Where when you're in your... Europe or UK or whatever, anywhere. There's got to be, like, places to go. I mean, Scotland is beautiful. There's definitely some fish.

Wait, Scottish. Fucking smoke salmon is Scottish. We'll go salmon fishing. Anytime we're near, like, the coast, you can get, you know, get out there, day off. Come on. Let's do it. All right. Sounds good.

Nick Follios is to go fishing with me and to inspire people. There you go. Matt Dirkus. Well, I guess, I've been wanting to do it. but I would like to figure out a way to get into animal wildlife rehabbing on like a larger scale. So like when we scale like touring up, we can do it less and less. So I'd like to get some space and be able to get into wildlife rehabbing. So I want to do that at the largest scale possible as my life goes on.

A.k.a. a zoo. Yeah, maybe. But more so like, not like a zoo, not like, because there's a lot. certain things you can rehab that's like allowed but dude i want i want i want just uh an army of raccoons i want them yeah you are the raccoon i need i need i need need tons of are you just doing this to get raccoons because it sounds like yeah but i like other stuff too you know little possums would love some goats some cows just start rehabbing stuff what what do you mean my rehab like they're getting into drugs like you know like like because people are the ones messing everything up you know So like raccoon gets hurt, rehab and get them out.

Release him again. Re-release them. Someone gets hurt and they can't go out in the wild again. You're with me now. You know, shit's all right. That's cool. I like that's nice. I like, I don't know.

He's upstage does. I just want to be money. I just want money. I just want money. I just want money. Money's sick, but more that I can get, the more I can lean into this and make a like a cool, fulfilling thing happen, you know, because music is sick.

I love doing it. And it was like, you know, it was the end game for forever. It's like, man, if I can only do that, I'll be happy. But now it's like a job where I still love doing it. If I didn't do this, I'd be miserable. But as a result of this, I need to find something else that's like fulfilling, I think, outside of this.

And I think that's something that I've always wanted to do that I could do in like a, hopefully doing like a larger scale that actually does a good thing, you know? He's upstage us. Sorry, so I have plans, good plans. I did a joke about making money. now I'm like, well, what do I actually really want? What do you care about? Money's cool.

I can't. No, I'd just like to have money by that point. But I get, now, I changed the question. I changed the fucking rules, didn't I? That's fine. So what do I want? You can't change the rules because you don't like how I'm doing it. Nice.

The first fucking quote, the first quote of the day, I thought we'd have way more by then. Oh, I'll change mine then since I changed the rules. Sorry. At the end of my autobiography, because I'm still alive and it's obviously you write in a lot of biography because you're massively successful. And you have the time to write about yourself. Yeah, which should be cool.

But what now? What I change you to? Deathbed. What does change? Or just... By the end of your life. What I'd like to achieve? Uh, fuck.

This question sucks. You asked it. This is your fault. I created this question. I mean, obviously I want to inspire people. And obviously, I want to own raccoons. But those... There's other things I like, too.

Come on. Those two things are obvious. I guess I'd think if I was to compare it to someone to like I'd like to have made as many people play the drums as like Lars or Rick did that's pretty cool that's huge that's why you're playing right

that's why yeah yeah Lars me too I saw it and I was like this guy's cool as fuck like standing up you're doing any standing up a little bit a little breakdown a little breakdown in the last song I'm fucking Yeah. Fucking stand up in there. A nice little.

Oh, what's that? A nice little hit your hand on the, on the, little rim shot. Finger got in the way. Motherfucker. That's real high to get in the way. Yeah. Did it bleed? Yeah.

All over the snare drum head. A little bit. Yeah. Had to wipe some mics off. Mike. Sorry, Matt. It's okay. He's still annoyed about it.

No, he doesn't care. Clean him up. Hey, I'm just glad you're not dumping water on your head anymore like that. Yeah. That would make me mad. all the hair though all my old mics just wrecked dude and i was like look i got new good stuff i needed to sound a certain way don't be dumping he also don't have your hair as long as he used to he used to have the long top but he would just dump water and just fucking what's your hair like now

you don't have to get it out wreck it all up it's it's still long enough to throw around but it's not it's clean cut yeah yeah on the top i'm thinking about getting my entire dome toad dude and then just fucking do it. Yeah. I back that up. That'd be cool. And then you have the option. Yeah, right? Halfway for a tour, like, oh, my hair looks like shit. What do I do?

If I go bald, if I start to go bald, I don't care. I'm shaving it and I'm putting something on my head. Yeah, exactly. Right, 26, you got any recline receipt? No, thank God. I got some grays, though. You're going to be good. That's crazy.

Yeah. I got grays, but I got a grace, but I got a grace. You got a few in there. I got no grays yet. You got to find them. I got gray. I got grays in here and I got grays like the sides

dude if I could grow I mean I just can't I'm gonna look weird forever like just I can't grow any facial hair like at for real at all just how old are you 31 I'm 36 mine started like literally two years ago maybe there's hope for me I just started to have to shave like every other day

just had that second second maybe it's because we're all drummers and it was like our balls were just getting fucked up by playing the drums smashed. Supposed to be doing puberty right now and it's just like and then now I'm playing slower. You've got no excuse.

You're going to be baby face forever. You need to slow down your feet. He slowed down. I slowed down. It's coming back. Huh. Dude, you got to keep it up. You're playing fast now. You're playing faster than ever now.

You're taking that seriously. He said, what do you mean? It's like, oh, me? If I slow down, I can grow a beard. Fuck, I'm going to get the roller. Start fucking real. I've got a roller. One for your...

But I had a freak out, like, not long ago. I was like, I think I'm going bald. I think I'm going. And I was like asking my barber every time. I was like, am I going fucking bored? And he was like, you're not going bored? I think I'm going to fucking bald. He was like, just get this rolling thing. And I got it and did it once.

And it like makes your head bleed. No shit. It's like little, anyone doesn't know. Little spikes. Little spikes. And you do it. And it's supposed to whatever stop you can go bald. I did it once.

It started bleeding. I was like, I'm just fucking go bald. I'm going to do that. trying to do a podcast with fucking scabs. You can see, I can't remember what episode it is. I've got scabs all over the top of my fucking hell. Probably went too hard on it. Yeah.

Went too ham on my fucking roller. Simon, give me another question, please. But, uh, no way, that's real. Fuck. Was that him at the end saying, oh fuck? Yeah. What?

Can you do that one more time? That is crazy. Yeah, I need that again. yeah but uh yeah but uh yeah but uh yeah but fuck dude there's no way that's real that's someone fucking around fucking crying got gotta got a stroke holy shit jesus well i hope that that was a sick i hope that was someone playing a joke and not someone that just got to spell down the stairs asking the question

ruined their fucking day. Put them on the spot. Holy fuck. Nobody knows. We got another one? Got anyone that made it through? I like that. That was good.

I was expecting us to have a mad one, but good for you. We didn't. If you guys were only allowed to pick three songs that you guys could play on tour, what top three bad omen songs would you pick? And why? Why are they your favorite?

Sweet. Who was that from this? That was Mia. Mia. Thanks, Mia. That's a great question. Three. songs. You've got a three song

set. All right, I would do I'm going to start off with an old one. Malice. Really? Yeah. Let's bring that back. Okay. Why? And then why why do you want it and why you're questioning? It's just very, it's pretty heavy.

That's a rapper one. It's a rip. He's going. You know. What's the tempo? 210. 210. 210. Great tempo for 16. Just. Yeah. So I do that. You got 210 feet on you. He does.

I hope. Fuck that. That's real fast. Good for you. You'll see tonight, the end of Dthrone. He's doing these triple 16s that are just like,

come on. All right. Good for you. Now you put me on the spot. I'm gonna fucking up tonight. No, you're good. When you're in adrenaline mode,

you're cooking. I'm gonna be there watching. I might do this. Yeah, do that. A little fucking thing. Okay. So you don't play that anymore. No,

I haven't played that in years. Too heavy. Too heavy for the fans. I don't. think it's that. I think they would love it. I think Noah's just singing his damn head off now. And when he screams on an entire song, it takes a good amount out of them. So if he's having to like add a whole other three-minute song and then just scream the whole thing, it kind of takes some, take some juice out of them, you know? So we've got to be like a little bit more strategic

about like the screaming amounts and the songs that are getting screaming. So it's not like crushing them for the end of the set, you know? It is fucking different. Like being a guy that's doing all that, he's like falsettos and a regular singing. Full set or and screaming is nuts. You know, especially putting like the bigger, big ones at the end where there's like everything. It's like, dude, got to leave some gas in the tank. Fuck that. Yeah.

All right. Next. Next song would be probably nowhere to go. I like that song a lot. Oh, yeah. On the newer record. Just for vibe. New intro.

Yeah, new intro. Ripping on those verses. Sick song. Last song. Three songs set. You got impress them. I don't know what sort of lineup this would be. Radio show, some crazy thing.

You get like an 11 minute set. Here's the last song, I guess we could do D-throne. There we go. So you said that as if you're sick of it. You're like, I guess we could do it. You're sick of it. You're sick of it. Look at that face.

He's sick of it. No, I'm not sick of it. It's tough to pick three and, you know. That one's got like, those are three that have like a lot going on for you playing. Those are sick ones. I'd be stoked to play those. Yeah, I guess. They're not boring songs.

Three songs, I'll fucking, I'll play it 10 out of 10 for three songs. You give me like 15 songs. Get in there, you know? Yeah. That's a good question. Thanks. Hey, would you, how would you pick them? Um, whatever the band wants.

Good TM answer. Not true. I do not do that. No, he doesn't. He's got his fingers in there. I'm in there. He's in there. Is he a vital part?

Yeah. 100%. What would get him fired? I don't know. I don't know, man. Stephen Hawking joke on a podcast? What's that going to do? I don't know, but I've been fucking angling for it.

I don't know why. Otherwise, weird. Apparently, he's fine. Because he might have done that. I'm not even going to go there. I've seen so many. Demonatize this whole thing instantly. It's great.

Like, 2024 started and I was like, You got Olly Appleyard beefing MGK, and you've got everyone sharing Stephen Hawking memes. Yeah, and they're insane. You couldn't make it up. Anyway, what are your three times? I got to say also nowhere to go, because I think that's just a cool song,

like the intro thing you now do now. It's all sick and cool to, I like mixing that one. It's fun, you know. Be Thrones cool, but I think that goes without saying. It's just cooked in. You got to have. it. So I'm going to leave that one out because

it's not part of it. Take Me First I like new Take Me First or doing Take Me First Live is very, very cool. And then if I'm just thinking about like right now what do I like us doing? New Broken Youth is sweet. He's ripping on that one. Made new drums for it. You guys picking like heavy songs. That's what I like. That's the kind of stuff I

like came from. That's what I've always fucked with. Like I like heavy music. Yeah. You know, I see everything just kind of scaling away from that. I get scared sometimes because I'm like, dude, I don't know. Like, I just like heavy, I like heavy rock and like metal core music is like what I fuck with. What's your favorite man? Hard, hard, hard and hard question.

Yeah. Give me a top three. Did we do a dream festival? We used last time. I can't remember. I think we did. We done it. Anything changed?

Oh, man. Come back to you. Come back to you. It's hard, hard to answer because, like, if I have a dream, enough time off tour, then I like, okay, I like music again. But like when we're on tour so much, I'm like, I don't listen to music. And then off tour for like the first a month, I'm like, I'm not listening to music. I don't want to work on music. I don't want to make anything. I need to like get out of it, you know, because we're just doing it all day every day. But you must have

like a top three of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so. So yeah, comfort bands. So yeah, comfort bands. I mean, one of the first bands that got me into like this type of stuff was under oath. So I didn't know. I didn't know that. I was doing that tour. I was doing that I was just like, oh my God. He was so pro. I didn't see any, any like, oh, dude, fucking, you know, the only chasing safety and find the great line.

That is my shit. That is it, dude. I was freaking out. I was stoked as hell. That being, like, one of the big ones, like, postcode. I was like, this is sweet, you know? Sick. And then, like, as far as other heavy bands that I, like,

were, like, you know, taste forming for me when I was younger, loved old Casey Strain. that is my shit how old dead walk continent the fucking mix on dead walk is so bad i love it no way that wouldn't kick drum i love it i think it sounds great i know dude intro four by four let's go that guitar tone is nuts also continent crazy dr doom i love that shit continent i loved 3750 yeah i love the dead walk and then i loved continent okay well i loved continent okay well What else? Last band.

Who do I like? Of like, damn, dude. Chevel. Nice. So American. Dude, that's my shit. Such an American answer.

Never ever got. First two records. Never got into it. Still tuning rooms with it to this day. Maybe I'd have to make it. Maybe I'll have to dig in. The first two. First two, okay?

After that. Is it shit after that? It just kind of is not, it's not of the edge anymore. It's not as sick. You know, proper new metal hard rock which was like sick for me because I'm like you know 10 being like whoa guitars are distorted that this guy's kind of yelling that's nuts you know but then it's just

kind of hard you know it just feels it's sick I don't know it's still sick I'm gonna I'm gonna revisit that um I have a question for you shoot who because I don't think we touched on it last time who inspires you at the drums like what drum is like obviously I've not including Lars or Rick. Yeah. But like. Like now? Either now or like when you were growing up.

Because I don't, because like you, I don't know about your inspirations. Mike Portnoy was sick. Fuck yeah. Fuck, man. It's so sick that he's back with Dream Theater now. I tried to get him on the podcast when all that shit happened. Yeah. And he was like, I can't do it.

I'm not doing any. I think he, I think they might have known. He was, I think maybe that was planned. I don't know. Like, he was like, I can't, I can't do it because everyone's click bait. And then I hit him up again. Now he's back in and he was like, we'll do it definitely when we can do press.

So that, for me, is like, that's a fucking cool. Yeah, he's great. He invented the right left, right left foot foot,

right left foot foot. That is so crazy to see people pull off correctly. It is, it is impossibly hard. When you see it happening, it's like, okay. Yeah,

it's tough, man. So what? You used to listen to like Dream Theater? No, I just, I didn't get into that band at all. Not my cup of tea, but the drumming,

like his side stuff. he would do on like YouTube or clinics I would watch. Modern drama DVDs and shit. Chris Adler, great. Same. Fuck, man. Yeah.

We must be watching the same fucking videos. Those two and it was like. Yep. Chris Adler. Godsmacks drummer, Shannon. He's great. Shannon Larkin. Yeah.

Oh yeah. You do love him. He's crazy. Like very showmanship. You know, he has cool stage presence. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sticks.

Taylor. Dude. RICO. crazy. Sticks Taylor was at that, um... He's got the most absurd chops, dude. He can just do the craziest things. And I'm just like, it sounds like, like, it's nuts.

I could not even try to replicate it. I can't understand what he's trying to do. At that Boston, uh, the, uh, children event. Yeah. He played that and he played Dennis Chambers song and he did a solo in it. And it was just fucking the most unbelievable thing I've ever fucking seen. Damn.

I only met him briefly, super nice guy. he was like one of the only guys that was there and I was like this is gonna sound bad like but you know what we hang out at a thing I don't want to say like we're rock stars but like if me and you were hanging out at a drama event

we'd be drinking we'd be fucking yeah be hanging out there'd be laughs there'd be fucking whatever this was all very very serious except him really and you know else was fucking sick Josh Dunn the guy from 21 pilots

was just like good hangout guy yeah these two are like real human being not that anyone else wasn't but everyone else was very like super serious suit and tie yeah in suit mode and those two was like he was just fucking nice as fuck that sticks taylor was like low key like the biggest rock star in there and then just ripped the craziest thing ripping whiskeys and and ripping drums even cooler that's sick damn so i mean give me one more of these motherfuckers because i don't have a uh

Two truths and a lie. Don't have one. I'm sorry. It was fine. It was short notice. Should we do one of the new ones that we got while filming? Oh yeah, we've got a new, a freshie that hasn't even been touched by ears. Not bad.

Hey guys, my name is Mirabella Swan and I'm an inspiring musician. I study vocals. At the moment, I would like to thank you for your music and because it helped me to overcome difficulties. and it inspires me to keep moving in this way. What could you tell the beginners? What should we do to succeed in music industry? Because this world is quite cruel, I think,

and it's quite too complicated to succeed in this way. Thank you so much and wish you luck. That was cute. That was very actually nice. That was nice. I was expecting something maybe it would be. crazy. Two things though. It was really nice. It's going to be a great question. I can see

your brain rack in there. But also, right, you said that you wanted, when you finished your life to inspire people, boom. There you go. Straight in. Already happening, baby. I would, I don't know, it's definitely a hard thing to do. Definitely find people, if you want to do it with other people or if you want to do it by yourself, it's up to you, but definitely finding a group of people that have the same vision as far as, yeah, I want to do this.

I don't want to joke around and not take it seriously. But that is important, I think. And I think the practicing is important in putting yourself in situations where you might be a little uncomfortable, you know. Saying yes to stuff. Like, hey, come and have a jam and you just fucking freak out. Just go and do it. My band would like you to come out and, you know, sing for a couple songs, you know.

do you ever think of was there any other point a point in your life when you thought giving it up oh man um i don't think so what not even in covid i was going to give up in covid i was done i was definitely depressed i was like man that was a bummer this is the end i'm gonna be at home forever you know but we're lucky we saw like a huge uptick and like interaction during COVID. Like everything got bigger during COVID even from doing nothing. Didn't put out new music or anything like that. And it just kind of I don't know. It just

got pushed around and algorithm did what it did and it just people found out and it kind of just worked. Definitely didn't. It's really crazy, honestly. Yeah, I didn't think. Super fortunate. Yeah. If you would ask me 10 years ago where I'd be, I would

this is like, yeah, right, dude. Fuck off. Yeah. So I'm very, very fortunate, I guess, you know. We've got to sum it up, sum it up for her. So find like-minded people. Yep, find good people. Don't be afraid to step out of your comfort zone.

Yeah. I'm a chuck one in there, even though she said that you inspire, but I don't. At the point, because I've wanted to give up like twice, at the point when you're going to give up, just don't. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Everyone I know who played, instruments with me when I was growing up, they get to around when you're like an adult,

like 24-ish, when you're like brain. They start thinking. And yeah, and it's like, oh, I need to get a new job. I need to get a real job. Is it worth it? You know. You got to push past that, especially with how the, like she said, it's getting quite cruel out there. It takes longer to succeed.

You're going to eat shit for a long time for it works. Yeah. So you got to just, if you want to do it, it and it's the only thing you want to do, you just got to keep doing it. Because eventually one day it's going to work. It's pretty much the whole thing. I saw a podcast. I forgot who was saying it, but there's like a direct correlation between people that make it and people that quit. If you quit, you will never make it. And if people that do it for long enough, as long as they keep trying and they keep working at it, eventually some version of making it will come from that. Just keep doing what you're doing and don't stop doing it.

And it will eventually find a way to get you into what you're trying to get into. well said great but also i want to add on to what you said be good at hanging out oh you can not be like not good at hanging out and being socially you know be socially aware enough to like understand when you know certain don't come and spit in my fucking pace don't be weird you know but like be good of hanging out be be able to like hang out with people that you don't know and just be personable that's like a huge thing like i don't know many times people times i've seen people people like be in jobs where they're not like crushing a job, but they're like so fun. They're so good at hanging out that they're just like, people are like, it's fine.

Just me. Well, you know, you're my friend, so we'll figure this out together and it's fine. But other than that, it's like, I mean, that's just like a huge. I think that's like borderline most important thing. Like obviously care about what you're doing and be serious. But like, if you're not good at working with people and like hanging out and being like present, you're going to be in trouble. There is a million people as good as you, not even the caller, us.

There's a million people as good as us in the world. You need to also be good at hanging out. Because when someone's picking people for a tour or a session job, it's like, that guy's good. But, dude, the job is hanging out. Yeah. You know, you're only doing a 50-minute set. There's 23 other hours at the day. We obviously have a little bit more going on on the crew side of stuff where they're working more actively.

But, dude, you're still hanging out all night, hanging out all morning. that's who you're like spending your life with those people you know like we're out here half the time usually so if like you don't like who you're spending time with you're not going to spend time with you and you're not going to get the thing you want to do so like i think that's like a hugely important thing that a lot of times is skipped over it's annoying thing about it's very can't practice it other than just fucking hanging out you got to be good at it bro go to be hanging out you got to be hanging out you got to just hang out dude sorry sometimes sometimes you get a golden unicorn of someone that's a shredder and hangs the fuck out you hang out you hang out more than anyone in your band. I think I hung out with you most days on that tour. Easily. I remember one day, like, you'd previously cleared it,

I guess, with Under oath. Do you know what I'm going to say? Did I talk about it on the last podcast? I can't remember. The joint. You literally just bowled into the green room smoking a joint indoors.

And he's like drunk. And I was like, this guy fucking rules. Dude, I remember when we went, I think it was your birthday. And we went, It was Jersey or Philly.

It was Philly. And we walked into this place and you were like, well, if you don't have COVID now, you're going to have it when you leave. It was just filled to the fucking brim. It was the craziest bar I've ever seen in my life. It was like a fucking livestock place. In Philly, huh?

Yeah. It was crazy bar in Philly, huh? Wow. One bar and then just packed in fucking tight with me, you and Drew, wasn't it? Yep. God, that was a good night. It was. That was cool, man.

That was on tour where we had some Seaward floating around. and everybody. COVID floating around. Yeah, and everybody was trying to be on don't go out, don't do stuff, you know,

like don't go out to eat on off days, everyone wear a mask all the time type situation. Secretly still annoyed about this. I mean, dude, I get it.

I mean, stuff got canceled. So it's like it happens. It was the last day at all, though, I think. Oh, really? Yeah.

I believe so. I don't remember. It was real near to the end, I'm pretty sure. No, last days were Florida, where I did get COVID.

Jeez. Me and Nick got COVID. Not me. Other Nick. We got sick as hell, dude, on the way home. We were just like, oh, this feels like shit. He realized he started feeling bad on the drive home. And then I, when we got to his house, because that's where all the stuff was based

where everybody flew out of there. I was like, I'm fucked. Oh, my God. I was like, oh, great. Well, at least we made it all the way through. Don't have to miss anything. But geez. I didn't know I got it on that tour.

I've only had it once. I had it the one time and it fucked my shit. I never had it tested. positive. I probably had it and didn't know it, but I never... If you were one of the ones that had it and didn't show symptoms, good for you, because I felt bad. Me and you were just giving it to everyone on the tour from that fucking Philly bar. Oh shit, yeah.

I think by that point, some people had already had it. That bar was good. That night, are we so, me and Drew so nearly, you're like, everyone was trying to be good. We so nearly got nowhere out that night. He was like debating it. He was like, yeah, I could come with you guys. me and Drew because it was my birthday

Drew rented a pickup and a truck and put sad but true by Metallica on and we drove around Philly with me

in the back of the truck that's cool not bad big show tonight got any nerves no no nerves we're dialed in dude I love it

yeah I love it when you get to that stage thanks for coming thanks for having us I can't wait to watch you play it's cool

yeah thanks for coming for the first time happy to do it. Thanks for hooking me up. Next time when you come back, I insist that we, A, fish. You have to. And B, we do this like we did last time in the PM and get drunk again. Yeah, I'm down. The kings of hanging out. You don't drink, do you? No, sir. How long? 14 years. What happened?

Drink enough in high school. About to end the podcast. What happened? Drink enough in high school that I was having crazy hangovers at that age and realized there was a bad tendency there. to get a hold of that before life started getting for real. Good for you and look at you now. This sucks. And now I've, uh, you know, got a- You got any vices? You're like Cali, soboos, make a bit of weird. You just got energy drink.

I bought you a creative. It's that shit right here. This is how he gets through it. How many do you do a day? Uh, on tour in the States, usually two. Oh, that's fine. Here, so far I've been on one because I'm usually getting the venue and we're doing like a lot more on this tour.

I'm just in there. I'm just busy all day. and then off tour at home usually one i don't want to go crazy and a line of coke uh i assume straight you know thought blaster ex topbaster x top buster yeah claims edge yeah 14 years yeah i'm talking about now to the fucking edge i know right throw down etc not bad i love you goodbye