The Downbeat - Brendan Murphy (Counterparts)

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

My guest this week is internet funny man and your problematic fave Brendan Murphy. Brendan is the vocalist of the metalcore band Counterparts and grind/math/doom/whatever band END. We talked about my sexy criminal past, the price of a costco hotdog, twitter's rebranding and its devastating emotional effects, and I guess we talk about his bands. Brendan episodes are the best.

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He does the sing, sing, sing, scream, scream, scream. He's the fry guy in counterparts, but he's also the sing guy in counterparts. If you don't know what fry screaming is, it's a stupid word for just screaming. Basically, they're screaming and they're singing. We caught up in Nashville, had a lot of jokes. I think there was a lot of editing that had to happen to this episode because we just went off on one a lot. Pretty sure we might have been drinking.

I can't remember what we talked about, but I know it would be funny. It's Brendan Murphy on the Downbeat Podcast. I fucking rule. Yeah, I'm a fucking professional. Sometimes I do it and I'm just like, this fucking, I'm doing it. Dude, you got green lines up there? When I was pissed up last night after a lovely evening.

them being pissed up. I came home. I kind of had a moment where I was like, I'm fucking doing this. Yeah. I'm fucking, and I was like buzzing because we're, well,

yeah, you are. Because of the alcohol, but also. Well, sure. Did you have to pay for Diablo for? Because I did. Did you?

No, I could have got you a code. I could have got you old, the ultimate edition. Now. The ultimate edition, bro. Give me the code.

Just give me the code. I can say it, say it on here. I'm sure no one will fucking, no one will take it. Say what? Say the code? Yeah, read the code out loud.

Oh, read. Yeah, no one will do it. Actually, fuck, let me time this right so I can get it before anyone else. Wait, you already have the game though? Yeah, but I don't have the ultimate edition. What are you playing on? PC.

I don't know if I do. Steam dead. I mean, this is a great start to the podcast of me, just dead air of me looking on things. I'm actually, it's funny. to just read out this code and just see. Give me one left.

Cool, I'm good. Ready when you are? I don't have a PC one. I fucked up. What's it for? I got a PS5. They're on five now? They got... Yeah, they're on five.

It's weird because the jump between four and five, I feel like it wasn't much anyway. It wasn't much. Hey, anyone from... Oh, hang on. Or maybe it is PC. Okay. I'm a reel it off.

All right. F-R-9-L-7G-3M-T-D-PA. And that's Redeemable at battle.net. PC or respective store. I've got another one. E-5-B. B-6-7-T. Hang on, E-5.

N-G. B N. God damn it. Start again from E5? No, I'm not. All right, fuck it. Whatever. I got the first one.

I got the first one. It's all that matters. I don't even know what we were talking about. Oh, Deablo. Yeah, I know. I came back last night. Drunk as fuck,

to be honest with you. Yeah. Same. I didn't read it. You missed me do karaoke. I never do karaoke. I know. I was like,

I was conking out at the bar. But, I mean, to be fair, those skull drinks, the fucking Dan Acroyd numbers that we were drinking. Yeah. Yeah, I had like two, three of them maybe. It was at the point where

the bartender's probably like a little worried. So I was like, all right, I'm not going to like punish this guy anymore. But they were really fucking good. Okay, I'll get more tonight. What was the place called? I don't know. What was the place called? Hubbubba or something. You can talk.

Yeah. Hava hubba. Yeah, it's called Haba. You won't be on the microphone, but you can talk. Oh, great. Yeah. We have a fantastic photographer and my husband. In the, she's not in frame if you're watching this on YouTube.

If you're just listening to this, I'm sorry about all the dead air. But also, fuck you. Please watch it because it's cost me a lot of money. I mean, what, like, what do you want? What do you expect? You expect like, oh, oh, we got a couple of intellectuals. We're going to have a fucking serious conversation here. Like, no, this is like, this is literally the pregame before I go out tonight.

Exactly. And there's, you know, of course we'll talk about the fucking cat or whatever. It will get there. but just relax. Yeah, chill, chill out. Yeah, exactly. If you don't, if you're in this for like, I've just done the episode with Matt Gasker,

I've used my fucking brain for the day. There's new ridges in my smooth brain. I mean, do you need them? Do you even need them when you're talking to me? The ridge, any ridges? Yeah, no, it's like, Ridge is chips. It's fucking, I'm, I'm, ridge chips.

Ridge chips. I love the fact that you got the fucking quote. That's a deep quote. So long as you bring Ridge chips. Is that Tim Hydecker, but what is it? It's bedtime stories. Bedtime stories, yeah. A Murph.

And you have got to try my wife's CD. That's fucking sick. It's been chilling in the freeze. Got to try my wet bar. Oh, fuck. Well, this is how we bonded in the first place, isn't it? I think so. I think it was like one of the first things that we talked about.

You said like some, some timinic thing like a, oh, like a me, me, whatever. And I was like, wait a minute. Do you know what I think it was? Are we friends? Do you know what I think it was? I remember vividly where we were. And this is 2016. Yeah, 2016. We were in the back, uh, the front lounge.

And we, it was day one of the tour. Yep. Uh, stick stray counterparts. Yeah. Yep. And I quoted A.J. Pepper, which is. Oh, the, yeah. Will Forte in a Tim and Eric episode.

Give me a shot, please. That was it. That was it. I quoted that. Give me a shout, please. And I was like, wait a minute. Hang on. Hang on a sec.

And then shortly afterwards, we bonded on having restless legs. And then since then we found out we have exactly the same thing wrong with our brains. I still got the dove so far in my bed sheets. I'm good. Is that one of the fucking? It was one. And I did it. Like, so Kenny always makes fun of me for this.

But like, I did it. Like, I was like reading it online. And I'm like, okay. ha ha sure let's try it and i put a fucking bar soap in my bed sheets and then i forgot about it because i like didn't you know like it's not like you know i'm not going to put it like where i'm sleeping but it's it was in there and then one day we're like in my room at my parents house and like it fell out and kenny's like what the fuck do you have soap in your bed sheet and i'm like uh it's a cure for restless leg syndrome but it didn't work the fuck no right have you found

anything mine mine is so fucked up lately it's really bad I like it's it depends it depends like if I'm I mean you know if I go to bed like wasted you know I'm not really concerned about my legs but uh if I works I'm not afraid to say alcohol fucking works uh but but yeah it uh like I don't know it just it you know I'm just I got ants in my pants what do you want for me I got ants in my pants and a couple uncles too trying to explain it to someone who doesn't fucking have it or like If anyone doesn't know, if you listen to this and your legs are completely stationary at all times, it's not that it's like... Be thankful.

Be fucking thankful. Because, you know why it actually, why it's, we definitely have it and then why we're both fucking depressed and all this other stuff, right? Because the rest of the brains are broken. Yeah, I did the big fucking deep dive on it and the red and an ADHD type fucking thing is, it's a dopamine problem. Yeah. Which causes the rest of the legs. Is it actually? Yeah, that's what it is.

Oh, shit. So that's why it gets worse at night. If anyone doesn't know what it is, it's like an uncontrollable, like weird, creepy, crawly feeling in your legs and you just have to move them. And moving, it's fucking torture.

Moving stops it. But. For a second. But you have to just continuously. Like a quick, it's like, you know, you get like, hitting a vape. Basically, yeah.

Yeah, like it's, you know. And I had, I mean, I had that before I even started vaping and shit. So I'm like, oh, I had since a child. Clearly something's wrong in my head, but it's obviously. It's dopamine. It's a new, and that's why it's worse at night because your dopamine dips throughout the day. So it's interesting to me to know.

That's why I cry myself to sleep. Yes. That's why. Okay. Now, now it makes sense. It's nothing to do with, like, everyone's like, oh, just do exercise and shit. It's like, no, my brain is fucking broken. I exercise.

Yeah. Yeah, well, and like that. And, and, and thank you for doing it because, because you do. it and that means I don't have to. I'm testing it for you. You work out. You go to the gym. You're healthy and I'm like you're still fucked so I'm like why would I even bother? Sometimes

even worse actually after the gym. I've actually gone to the doctor because they do have a drug for it but it's like it's pretty bad for you. He says drinking a fucking swig of hard mountain gym. We're drinking alcoholic mountain beer. I mean I have the

vape in my lap. How much worse could it be? You can make one this. Oh, I was going to. My whole, yeah, that's fine. My whole thing on that is like, now I'm old enough. It's getting worse, the older I get the fucking messless leg shit. And I'm like, realistically, like, yeah, maybe this is really bad for you.

If you started taking it when you're 15, then maybe it hits you when you're 60. But it's like, I'm 30 fucking 6 now. I'll be dead by the time I get the side effect, which is actually Parkinson's position. I got like, I mean, I got like 10 years left in me, probably, you know, good, good amount of time. You think 10? How are you? I'm 32. Will it be, uh, will it be, uh, will it be, uh, will it be, uh, yeah.

I mean, if I'm, you know, depends if I'm feeling confident enough to do it in front of a bunch of people. Uh, well, I mean, I want to do it in front of a bunch of people. Yeah. I really want to, you know, I want to, I want to leave a mark. Yeah. Not a stain. A mark. Yeah.

Uh, but. It'd be real. easy, this is going to get fucking real close to the bone real quick. Yeah. All these people that go and do like some fucking mad atrocity, like, why don't you just do it to yourself in the, in the mode, like, oh, because they have some agenda or they're angry, like, they're in cell shit and all that stuff. Like, yeah.

If you're, if you really want to, like, make a statement, like, I'm a fucking in cell, you know, I'm thinking off my fucking, off the top of my head, I'm thinking of the guy that went and killed all those students and shit. And he had the vlogs. You see that with... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, the guy, like in his car or whatever, yeah. Why didn't you just get a samurai sword and in the middle of the street just disembowl yourself?

And then it's like... And you made the video. But you didn't hurt anyone else. Yeah, no one's getting hurt. You are fucking dead. Physically. And you suck anyway. Yeah, exactly.

Not enough self-disembaal or self-immilation. Where's that gone? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know what? Like, people just don't appreciate it. appreciate showmanship anymore. And that's all it is. Everything's on tracks now.

That's the problem. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's, uh, it's a, there's a severe lack of theatrics. Yeah. Going on. And I think we could, we could be bringing it back. There's not, disclaimer, please don't do this if you're listening unless you like,

suck. Yo, if you suck, just fucking do it. No, I mean, if like you're going to hurt other people, just do me your favor and just hurt yourself only. That's fun. But in like, I don't want to hurt anyone else. You could earn a shard of my respect if you did it in a theatrical way. In a, if it's funny. Oh, if it's funny, bonus points.

If it's funny, I wish they bring, I wish you, they bring you back. Everybody wins if it's funny. And you can start again. You get what you want. Everyone else goes, Jesus Christ, you know, and then, hey, like you don't have to hurt anybody. It's like, you know. There's not many funny suicides. No, and that's the problem.

That's what we got to work. Oh. Now, if you're, if you're either like a fan of the downbeat and but you like drums or something and you're like, who's this guy and why are they getting so dark? Listen, this is two people who've been close to the Harry Keri. Yeah. Which gives me. Also, I feel like we're reeling it in a little bit. Yeah, fucking way. Like, I got an S pass.

I can say anything about that. Yeah. Because it's, you know, it was on, there was a point, two points in my life. It was on my agenda. Absolutely. For sure. I got a pause. It was when I got like right before I got my cat and then right before he died. It happened.

Yeah. So now it's funny to me. And I have to make my jokes or else I'll do it. I'll fucking do it. So I can do it. It's a stress release. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, but then, you know, then all of a sudden you're in Nashville drinking fucking

alcoholic Mountain Dew and suddenly you're like, yeah, cool. I'm glad I hung out for an extra three weeks. Yeah. It's kind of tight. Up and down. What, do you ever get shit? I mean,

I see you go shit, but like, let's talk about Twitter. Okay. Sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry, it's called X-Li.

Billy Talent, the X. Side note, that is the equivalent of, have you seen Inception? Yep. You know, it's like,

we need to plant the idea in the, the guy, brain, I will break up my father's empire or whatever. Sure. That's the equivalent is, Eonleon Maast just did that to himself. He's just like, he's trying to break up his dad's fucking diamond mine or whatever. No, he's not bringing that out, but he's fucking reeling those.

But like, the whole thing like, well, I didn't make this, so I'm going to burn it to the ground. I'm going to ruin it. It's like the guy woke up one day and he was like, there's a guy in Hamilton, Ontario, named Brennan Murphy. And I'm really going to stick it to him. And I'm like, man, you've ruined my fucking life. Here's your app updated.

Yeah. I can't, I keep clicking fucking Uber instead. Dude, it was like, it's, I mean, it's, it's funny, but like, it's also very detrimental to me, for sure. Ruin a big part of my life. But I was talking to Adrian about it one day. And I was like, yo, did your, like, app, like your Twitter thing, like, turn to X yet? And he's like, nah, like, it's all good. I'm like, yeah, mine either.

Like, I guess, I don't know, maybe it's like, I can't. Like a Canada thing. Like, because like the app stores are different. Like if I, I don't know, if I want to get like, like, the Bank of America app to like check the counterpart's bank account. Like I have to like go and like change my country to the U.S. Because it's not on the Canadian shit. Exactly. So, so I was talking to Adrian about it.

And then like the next fucking morning I woke up and I saw like the things being like, oh, oh X like someone fucking mentioned you. and I was like, God. I watched mine happen. So it was like, you know where it says updating? And it was like Twitter updating. And I watched it. And then it went X. X. Yeah.

It's such a, I mean, it's a massive divorce dad energy. And I kind of have divorced. I got divorce A energy. Sure. But like, so I get it because I see my own trauma from that shit. And I'm like, sometimes I have to check myself because I'm going to make a bad decision based on the fact that I'm a little bit angry. at the world. But this guy's doing it with the best app of all time.

It's like what? Like, oh, like you, like Grimes fucking broke up with you and suddenly you want to ruin Brendan Murphy's life? Like, what the fuck did I ever do? I didn't do anything. Like, yeah, like, I would even go as far as to say as like, I thought yourself driving cars were cool.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Like, I'm, oh, imagine being like, oh, fuck, I'm wasted. I have to get an Uber. Or my car could just, my car could drive me. Like, I don't have to plow into a pedestrian myself. I can just have my car do it. And then I'm off the hook.

Well, my car could ignite and I can't get out because the fucking thing to get out is, have you seen the instructions of how to get out of a Tesla? No. If it locks you in, because the doors are like, everything's electronic, but it's battery power. If the battery fully drains, the manual lever to get out of the car is like underneath the back seat and you need a wrench or something. have to get Twitter blue to take it out. It's a subscription service. Sorry, X. Blue. So if your car, wait, now is it called X Blue?

It's fucking insane. The guy's fucking brain dead, dude. Oh my God. I like, it was fine. I was like, cool. Like, oh yeah, you want to, like, whatever. Like, you want to make your fucking cars. You want to do this shit. I was like, oh, you got your fucking saddle. Your direct TV internet.

I'm like, yeah, cool, whatever. He's not hurting anybody. Keep me. But then he hurt me. Then you fuck with the Twitter supply. Danny hurt me. And that's my whole world. Without Twitter, oh,

what am I going to be like a blue sky batty? Like, I can't fucking do that. I tried all of these. Even like threads. Oh, dude, I can't fucking do it.

I don't know what it is. I just can't do it. I spent, not like purposely. I mean, obviously it's like, it's just, you know,

it's my mental illness on display and then a bunch of people like, you know, subscribing to it, I guess. But I, like,

like, I did it and that's all I've got. Like, yo, like, it couldn't have been, like, could, like, why couldn't, like, Mark Zuckerberg go fucking nuts and be like, Instagram's called X now? Or Facebook's called X and I'd be like, oh, cool. Oh, cool. Oh, fuck. Oh, like, you know what I mean?

Like, oh, shit, I won't be able to respond to, like, my aunt being like, oh, so-and-so's birthday party on the fuck, you know. Yeah, I'm going to fuck an RSVP to that. But, like, Twitter, I'm like, man, that's where I, that's where I put in my work. That was my grind. Do you think it will go like the way, I didn't even get to my question. Do you think it will go the way of Myspace? I never thought MySpace was going away.

Then they fucked with it. Oh, new layout. And immediately everyone just went. But I mean, that, like, that was like, like, like, I don't even know if it's real, but like I've seen, like, the screenshot shit of, like, people, like, making fun of it or whatever. And Tom, the Myspace guy is just, like, I don't know, I sold it for, like, a billion dollars. And now I just, like, have a sick life. so kiss my ass.

And I'm like, I love that because I'm like, cool. Like, you, you aided my seniors. You helped me find my friends. You helped me find the music that I, you know, like what I do for a living,

it's sick. And then he was just like, yeah, I'm out. I'm done. And like, I don't know if like Twitter is going to. Elon's done the reverse of that. He didn't sell it. He bought it for $42 billion.

He bought it. And then fucked it up. And he, It's like, I, like, I posted something. It's like, there's like the scene from the Simpsons where it's like fucking Homer's trying to be crusty and he's at like a crusty burger. And like there's like a hamburger character and Homer like beats him to death. And the kids are crying being like, stop, stop. He's already dead.

I'm like, that's Twitter. Like, it's like you like you just. That's X. That's X. Sorry. Every time. Oh, it's so nerdy as well. Like I love a nerd, but not like a fucking divorced. Dad nerd.

Not like that, no. Like, I am a nerd, but like X. It's not fucking the year 2000. My brother in Christ, it's not the year to. That's like. The year 100. Like fucking bringing it out. There was a movie probably in the year 2000 called XXX.

That's. There's probably a couple of them. It's usually at the beginning or the end. Yeah, it's, you know, it depends. It's either at the start or, you know, the end. end of the file name. Sometimes slip. Maybe dot, dot move or whatever.

Oh, the movie is stepbrothers. Oh, yeah. It's usually stepbrothers. I think it might be sequel, step sister. Yeah, you know, John C. Riley is like, oh, step bro, I'm, get off my drum set and have sex. That's fucking insane. Oh, my God. Beautiful.

Anyway, this is a mess. On to my act. We haven't even like me drunk. I showed up drunk. Oh. So the man who has the His poker face for for drinking is insane Yeah, you just you're always like

I'm blackout drunk right now, but perfect dialect perfect diction That's why I am black out drunk right now That's why when I get pulled over I say that to the car Oh nice I've admitted so much I mean obviously that is a joke I don't drink and drive god damn it I don't turn on the one episode I can't remember what I was doing the other day I was just talking about my stealing not the bonus stealing

which I think I told you about yesterday yeah you cried at dinner yes oh fuck I guess I could bring that out yeah you might as well yeah when I was a kid and this is insane

that's we were having a talk it's not insane it's one of the craziest things I've ever heard of my life and it's a hundred percent true as well and it's like it's I think the statute of limitations is far enough that I can tell you

yeah you're probably not crime is fine yeah you're not going to get nicked for that fucking lion bar you stole it 1994. But like, that was the year, to be honest with you. But like, we were talking about just, just needing to be a little bit naughty. We were talking about actually the reason I started vaping because I was on tour and I was drinking less.

And then I was like, it wasn't scratching my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, S-H-H. Like, I needed to just be, like, a little bit naughty. And then I was thinking about it. And then it reminded me when I was a child. and I mean a child I would sometimes my parents watch every episode of the downbeat and they're going to hear this

but they must hate my guts by now no no my parents are the fucking best but this is a this is going to be such an insane shell shock revelation to them or maybe not but like when I was a hey remember remember those couple months when you didn't have to pay your mortgage

that was me fuck me I When I was a child, I would, I would really only do this on holiday, actually. I wouldn't do it anyway.

I don't shit where I eat, you know. I would, I would steal, like, small things. Nothing of real value. The real of it

would summon some chumessence in. Some what? Chemessence. It's not, That's a fucking word. Imani, pull that up. Tumasance.

I would steal and the thrill would It feels wrong saying it. You'd be mixing cement. But it's a kid. You'd be playing whack-a-mole, shorthy. But it's me, yeah. I would, you know, I'd become erect.

Randy. Tumessence. Is that? T-U-M. T-U-M. T-E. Tumessence. Sorry. T-M-M-S-M-S-M-S. I'm fucking English, not.

Yeah. Watch actually. Tumessence, can I get the... Yeah. Swollen or becoming swollen, especially as a response to sexual arousal. Swollen or becoming swollen as a response to sexual arousalal. The amount... The amount of time I spend on Thesaurus.com.

I've never heard it. Pop tumensens and her counterparts, fucking... Have I blown... That's a new word learned today. You learnt telling today. Chemessence. And it's fucking funny. Like, damn, Shorty.

Like, the chumessence is... Damn, shory. You got me too messy. I'm too messing. I'm about to too mess my pants. I'm past tense. Anyway, that, like, I don't have, like, a fucking... You would think I would have, like, a stealing kink out of it

or something like that. But it's just... It's just like being a little bit naughty. Yeah, being... Being bad feels good. I don't even know how I got on... onto the subject. And I don't do it now.

I don't... Oh, it... I was talking about shoplifting. Because I'm like, you know... Obviously, it's a joke. It's a big running joke. I uh the self-checkout things yeah sure sure yeah you're gonna trust me it's you're gonna trust me yeah yeah i'm fucking i'm bricked up you you think i'm gonna see that i forgot to scan the fucking pop tarts

like you out of your mind but i'm gonna fucking piss myself uh it's me we're talking about so it's absolutely fine uh i didn't even ask The question that I was going to get to, there were 26 minutes in. Sure. It's been 26 minutes. Yeah. What's the, what's the,

like, on X.com? What's the what? On X.com. Yes. Twitter. I'm going to say Twitter in case this is worth a fucking clip

because everyone's just called it to it. I wonder when that's going to stop. Never. I hope, I hope not. I don't want to give that, that rich bastard the satisfaction. What have you got the most heat for?

Because sometimes, because you, Like, you, you get called out on Twitter for stuff you said on stage, and then there's always a big fucking discourse about it. That, that's kind of it. Like, it's never, like, what I post online. It's just, like, it's, like, all it is, is, like, people coming to shows who, like, don't know counterparts or end or whatever, and, like, they, like, they don't know me.

They don't follow me. And it's like, yeah, like, I, like, I, and to their credit, I will say, like, I understand that it could be jarring, like being at a show. Can you give me an example for people that maybe don't know who are? Yeah. I mean, who wouldn't know what the fuck I am? That's crazy. This is the third one.

No, I'm kidding. But you're in the top ten. You've got a top ten episode. So most of them know, but there's going to be new people because I paid a fucking lot of money to make it look like a movie. True. And it does. Thank you. The Bachelor, the Bachelorette party.

The vibe. The whole thing. The vibe. I am more, like, you can't see it on screen right now. but I am wearing cowboy boots. And I'm bricked up because I stole the fucking... I stole my cowboy boots, so... Do you know what?

Jake from Gideon actually had cowboy boots on, and I thought to mention it. I'm fucking shocked. I'm fucking shocked. Anyway, Carol. Did he also bring a garbage can that he hit? No. Oh shit.

I forgot about that. He had a fucking big thing. Yeah. A big, like, I love him. If I would have known he was here, I would have showed up yesterday, but... It was the day before yesterday. Cool.

What a change? Would it change my flight? I've been working. Anyway. So what do you do? What's your bit? What's your stick on stage? So my whole thing on stage is like during the song, I can like say whatever.

Like it can say whatever the hell. Like I can say whatever the hell I want. It can be like it can be and usually is pretty mean. And then that's just it. Like during the song like, you know, before a breakdown, I'm like, all right. Like I fucking hate you guys. You're boring. You're pissing me off.

It's so fucking funny. Move your fucking ass, whatever. But then that's during the song. And it's like a bit. Exactly. And then as soon as a song ends, I'm like, yo, like, thank you guys though, for real. Like, love you guys.

Like, hope you guys are having fun. I hope everybody's having a good time. Yeah, exactly. And like, and that's exactly it. It's like the, like the, it's like a, someone who's on the fence about liking either band that I'm in. I'm good cop, bad coping them. I'm like, during the song, I'm like,

I don't know what you like. Maybe you want to be talked down to, and I'll give you that. And then after the song's done, I'm like, hey, love you though. Like, aw, like, you guys are so cute. But whatever. You're gas lying, you know. Basically. Yeah.

Yeah. For sure. With like, you know, premium octane for sure. Fuck. But that I've harbored. But either way. I don't know. Like that, like, that's been my whole thing.

And like, that's been my thing forever. And like, like, like, since fucking 2009, like, first record. I was like, I don't know, like, we'd go on tour with bands. And I would, you know, bands would be like, I love this city. Like, you guys are our favorite or whatever. And I'm like, you're lying. I'm like, you're a fucking liar. I live in Hamilton.

Yeah. So when we play a city that sucks, I'm just like, yo, like, y'all fucking bite tonight. This is dog shit. And like, I'm just honest. and I'm just being honest, but it's like, but I feel like when I do that, it's like, that's me making the best out of a bad, like, situation. But even sometimes it's not bad. Yeah, and like, and like I will say this, like, usually if it's like actually bad,

I'm just like, yo, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you for coming. Yeah. Stuff like that. And then like it even happened on the last tour, like, you know, like when I'm, it's at the point now where it's like if I'm too nice to the crowd, people will, like there were people banging on the stage like the we want food like kids table shit yeah and going

like be mean make fun of us and i'm like what city was that in uh winnipeg i think and i'm just like i'm like i'm like even on like on the mic i'm like i don't even know what to be mean about i'm like this is cool i'm having fun and everyone's like make fun of us and i'm just like god damn it like did you give them anything did you just oh of course single someone out of course uh i mean I never single someone out, but like a grand, you know, an overview of the crowd. I'm like, you're all terrible. But I'll never like point it. Well, I mean, I have in the past for sure.

But I try not to be like, yo, this guy fucking sucks. Unless you're on stage for like a long time running amok. Then I'm like, all right, you're a target. I feel like I use, I think it's calm down now, but I used to see it a lot. And it would be like people just. going the counterpart singer just doesn't deserve his platform like the guy doesn't enjoy it the best one was the tour bus kid oh yeah yeah yeah i can't even remember somebody put that on a shirt fucking awesome like and gave it to me and i think it like i mean it was at like the belville

studio on it was on the tv so like if anybody wanted to watch tv they had to move this fucking shirt with a tweet on it what was the like again i don't know it was it was like something like oh yeah like if I was like on tour in fucking Europe like could you were complaining because like in a boss like it does suck sometimes it sucks for sure and every job sucks you can have the dream job but sometimes it's kind of bad like and that's exactly it and that was like my whole thing where I was just like and like we like we even we had a bit in like 2015 and it was like a you should be thankful bit is like what we called it where it's like oh dude like I didn't I didn't get to like eat dinner tonight and you know I made no

money and like my life's a fucking wreck and like you know i played a show and nobody cared and then people just like chiming in being like you should be thankful yeah and it's like yeah like i am but like still fucking bites stuff is still it's still it's still yeah absolutely and like you know like there's a suck spectrum for sure for sure and everyone's is different exactly and like and that like and that like And that was always my thing where I was just like, you know, again, going back to like us touring, you know, we're like fresh out of high school and seeing like bands and shit be like, you know, like they'd be on stage and it'd be like the worst fucking, fucking. It'd be like we're playing fucking Thunder Bay and there's six kids and people on stage being like, we like, we love Thunder Bay. And I'm like, no, you don't. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like.

We played Thunder Bay together. We didn't know. Who did we play Thunder Bay with? I. It's the only time I've ever played it. And that night. I'm sure it was fucking sick. I'm sure it was you guys.

No. I'm sure it was. Didn't we do a Canadian tour together? We did, but we didn't, we stayed on the... We stayed in Thunder Bay, yeah. And there was the fucking fire alarm.

Oh, at the fucking hotel. At the hotel. And me and Tom refused to leave. Yep. And it was like... And that's sometimes, like, that's what a city's for. It's not for playing shows.

It's for... a hotel and to get gas and to go to McDonald's and then you carry on. Was there a casino? But yeah, Thunderbay Casino is kind of shit hot for sure. Put those hose in there. Easy. In between sets, I'd be like, all right, I'd be like Googling like how to play craps on my phone being like, oh, I guess I'm betting on the com line.

Because it's funny. I don't know what any of that means. But, but, but yeah, like. How funny is sort of cut in. I'm going to cut in. But how funny is there is a. game called craps. I never thought of it until now.

You want to pay craps? Dude, not only is it called craps, there's also the comline, the whole thing. It's like, whoever made craps was like, they were, he-heeing. They were he-heen. Like, they were having a fucking time.

And, you know, respect to them. I've tried to learn the game like six times. I've had like multiple, like... I don't even know which one it is. What's the game? Don't explain the whole thing, but which one is it into the fucking... I don't know.

know the whole thing. It's a dice game. It's a dice one. It's like in like rush hour two fucking sorry. You know, I don't know. It's like it's a dice thing and like if you walk by a craps table, everyone's just screaming at the top of their lungs. Did you clear up at a casino the other night? Uh, no. You go. We all got rinsed. You got rinsed. Where was it? Uh, it was Woodbridge casino in like Vaughn, Ontario. We got fucked. What do you play when you're in a casino? Uh, I mean, if, like, so the, the big thing is, like, Southern Ontario casinos, they don't have, like, license slots anymore. Like, there's no, like, Willie Wonka, sex in the city, Britney Spears, like, there's nothing fun. It's just, like, Captain...

It's like, yeah, exactly, yeah. Captain Ahab's treasure. And there's, like, letters in the fucking slot machine, and I'm like, I know I'm fucked. I'm like, there's no way I'm leaving this building with more money than I came in with. But we all, it was like, me, Kenny, Or homie bike rack or homie shy. Like Adrian. Excuse me.

Excuse me. Well, let's just say, Kenny's merch guy. Love Kenny. I'm just, there are people that don't know the law. But you just had a man's name. A man.

His name is bike rack. Yep. Love a good nickname. Why is he called bike rack? He had an ass crack on him before. That was it. You could fit a bike in it. What?

And he was just always out? Yeah, it would fall out occasionally. Bike rack, I'm so sorry if you ever hear this. Why would he not the first time someone called him bike rack be like, I should buy a belt. Belt rack. Why didn't he change it? Anyway, it doesn't matter. I don't know.

Tell me about the casino. But we went and it's like a relatively like new casino and it's like, it's like nice. It's like more like upscale and shit. And like I'm down to fucking play for sure. but the table shit was like... Sorry, what were you playing? That's what I was doing like slots. I was doing...

There's like a game in Canada with some dice called Sickbow. Basically bet on... It's three dice they spin. Like you bet on like what they're gonna be and shit. Blackjack. But like, that's the problem is it's all video. Unless you're like... The casino's like so new and so nice

that it was like high roller only shit. Like it's like, oh, you want to be at like an actual table. It's 50s. $50 hands. And I'm like, bro, I can... It's like, you know, I'm not bringing nothing, but I'm like, bro, I can maybe play like 10 hands with that. Like, come on.

That's fucking ridiculous. So... How much you lose? Like, 400 bucks, I think. It's not good. I think Kenny lost six. Everybody else lost like 100, maybe two. I stopped.

My thing is... We got rinsed. We got fucking rinsed. Listen, I'm a bono bad boy. But I can stop something in it. tracks the minute it stops being fun. Like I've had multiple stints where I haven't drank for like six months. Gambling.

Lost two grand in a Sydney casino. Never, I've never gambled since. Dude. Except for football like sports. Sure. Sure. And like in that shit like,

you know, I see you betting on that. I see Tom doing it like, I'm like, oh fuck. If only I like knew any game. And like new. You can bet on Diablo.

And knew the rules. I could. I mean, I'm not fucking betting on me. for sure. Esports betting is a thing. Is it actually? In the UK, my betting app, I'm not going to say it because you don't deserve a show.

I'm like, give me some money and I'll get these kids hooked. I'm at the lad. Fucking losing 30 quid a night. You can, like when there's an esports, like when there's a CS. Sure. Like CSGO or Smash Bros type shit. I think it's only like the real big way like CSGO is probably one of the biggest esports things.

I think Smash Bros. It's got to be. Really? I think, yeah. I've never played the game But, I'm not, it won't open Because I'm in America Either way, I'm betting on Faze

Freddy Fazebear One of them got in trouble for something recently Oh, good, oh my boys Anyway, we got fucking rinsed I would rather Play dice or cards with my friends For sure, because at least it's like, yeah, I'll be mad

I'll lose money to a friend I'll lose money to a friend I'll be mad at him for like 15 minutes and then I'll get over it. Tall, yeah, oh, of course. But like a fucking, like a random blackjack dealer number three, I'm like, bro, like I want to fucking drive through your house. But what's up, guys?

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That's drink AG1 forward slash the downbeat. Check it out. what I want to do. I want to talk about music very, very briefly. Okay. Because I know that we're on a time crunch. And I know what will happen is that we won't talk about it and then I'll get loads of comments. Sure. You didn't ask him about a eulogy. You didn't even ask about the fucking, the breakdown. Did you do any press for the latest record? Uh, yeah. What did you do? Anything cool? Not this. Why didn't we do that? Oh, because I do them in person now. Well, this is it. It's been out for a fucking year.

Yeah, yeah. This is what you fucking got. This is what you got. Talk to me about the name, because the name is fucking cool as fuck. I mean, in true, like me fashion, I mean, like, yeah, I'm just trying to come up with, like,

the most dramatic fucking record name. Oh, of course. Can you just give it to me into the microphone in your dramatic way? A eulogy for those still here. Wow, that was great. Let's play, raid shadow legends.

That sounds so good. But yeah, I mean, the name itself, like, it was just, you know, I mean, I, like, I thought of it when I wrote the cat song and shit and everything. And I was like, and like, there was like a theme. There was like a, like a theme for everything to where I was like, yo, I'm like writing like, you know, like a funeral speech for all these things that are like still there. Like when the record came out, like, my cab was still alive and shit. And, like, you know, writing about, like, me and writing about, like, the band and writing about, you know, other things. I was just like, I wrote them before they were gone.

But I knew they were going to be, I guess. And so that was like, you know, a eulogy for those still here. Like, that was like what? Why did those feelings come out, though? I mean, probably because I knew. like at the time when I was writing it, I was like, yeah, this isn't going to be like a forever thing for sure, you know? So like, yeah, I, uh, I don't know. And like I didn't like I didn't even realize it until I had like, we had like other names for the record and shit and Will was kind of like, you know, I think you need

something that like maybe isn't like a lyric and maybe something that's like a, you know, like a, yeah, like a like a or just something that like basically summarizes all the lyrics on the record yeah and I like read them all and I thought about it and I was like yeah like a eulogy for those still here like and that that stuck and I was like it you know it checked all the boxes I was like it's long as fuck it's dramatic sounds like it would have been released by trust kill yeah I'm like I'm like all right cool you got it you got everything you fucking nailed it there yeah but which ones the cats on was it cool what's it cool Whispers of your death.

Yep. That one was about my cat. Before he died. But like... But he was unwell. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just like generally unwell the whole time I had him.

But, you know, and that song was about me being like, yeah, like I, you know, like, hey, if I could fucking change anything, if I could hold my breath until I'm dead and you'd get another year, I would do it. You know what I mean? But that was like the big, the big one. and that kind of like, like that, that's the one that like set off like the whole like eulogy thing. Because it was like, you know, like I wrote it and then I like went home and he was sleeping on me like the day I got home and shit.

And I'm just like, he was still alive when I did it, you know, but it was like knowing that he was very sick and me being like, okay, this isn't going to be like a thing forever. Yeah. But.

What are the other eulogies? Who else you got on there? There's a bunch. I mean, And like, like, I wrote about, like, me. I wrote about, like, I mean, when we did the record, like, I legitimately thought doing that record, I was like, cool, like, this is probably like the, this is, like, all I've got in me.

I'm like, this is, like, probably the last thing that counterparts is going to do. And, like, we'll just see. We'll see what happens. So, like, you know, there's songs in the record about, like, like, I mean, like, bound to the burn and, you know, others. I don't know, I haven't really listened to it in a while. I mean, it's not in Korean, so I don't fuck with it. But, uh, but, you know, like, there's like songs where, you know, I write about, like,

the band and stuff and about how, like, I've, like, we've all, like, given a lot to the band and sacrifice, like, a big part of our lives. And I don't know how much longer we can do it. But do you write as if, as if it's already done? Like, as in, like, and, like, and, yeah, like, I, that's what I did. Yeah. Yeah. That was, like, that was kind of, that was kind of it. It's cool as a concept. And, and, and, and.

And again, like, I didn't, I never, like, I didn't want it to be like that. Like, I never, I didn't sit down and go like, yeah, I want to write like, you know, I want, like, the whole thing ended up being like, I'm at a funeral and I'm just, someone gives me a mic and I have to talk about something that died. Yeah. And like every song is kind of like that where I'm like talking about like this thing that's dead, but like they're not. Like my cat was still there. Like, you know, I've like. band is still bigger than ever yeah and like you know the band it's like i'm writing about the i'm writing about it being like the last record but the band like in bound of the burn like like let me leave i've

given enough like that's like literally like i don't know what more i can do for you like i think i'm done and you know like i have songs about like past relationships and i have songs about like me and i mean like rare that i have like i'm gonna do it song on the fucking counterfeit's record but you know it is i was a vocalist i be insufferable. Here's another one. That's about how I'm going to do it. That's literally me. That's all that's all I fucking got at this point. Um, unless something really bad happens. Then I'm like, cool, I can write, you know, I got it like some horrible thing happens. And I'm like, cool. I got like three, four songs out of this, I think, which is like, it's not, it's not, it's not sustainable.

I think about that. It's fucked, but with like documentary documentaries about like horrible shit. Yeah. Like someone somewhere, like something horrible happened and someone who is like prepping to make a documentary but they don't have anything yet goes, oh fuck, sick. Wait a minute. Oh, sick. They sound how many? Sorry, that's terrible, but how many was it? Yeah, on Amazon being like, I'm going to need a bigger SD card. I mean, I'm going to say something now that's going to sound like I actually do need one.

thank you for reminding me. I'm going to say something now. It's going to sound like advice, but it's not. Because as a question, it's going to sound like, I mean for you to take it as an advice, but I wouldn't do this because I'm a very negative person. However, how do you, like, dealing with all that negativity? Because it's just, there's a whole record of negativity.

It's exclusively negative. But like. There's not a shred of hope on you. Do you believe in anything like fucking, I don't know, like that energy making, like, especially the minute you said that about like the unity that's, you know, stuff that's fucking not happened yet. Yeah. Like that freaks me out because I'm super fucking Amani's nodding. Amari's not in. Amari knows where I'm going. That's fucking, you're essentially manifesting it.

Like the energy, especially the energy that goes in like the. Matt, like, not to get really fucking woo-woo, but the magical energy with a K, not fucking David Blaine, um, that goes into art. I wish it was David Blaine. Other than sex, art is the most powerful magic. And like, you are putting that negativity in. That would freak me out. Like, I would be, if I was you, and now I'm worrying that I'm charging the energy by bringing it up because maybe it didn't.

Amani, Amani my shaman is. shaking her head. But like, I'd be worried the band was going to break up because you've written about it. Well, I, well, I do. I have a, I have a backpack filled to the brim, tip to tail with crystals. So I, like, I'm good. Oh. I'm sad. I don't have, I don't have to worry about. I am a necromancer on Diablo for. What, what's yours look like? Shit. He looks like me. It's fucking dark. How did you make you look like, I guess mine kind of looks a little bit like me. I picked the most sick looking guy with long hair and a beard. And I was like, yeah, this this will do.

I couldn't get, I try to make mine a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit. You got to get the strength though. Listen, we can't keep talking about Diablo 4 because let me tell you, they fucking paid the goddamn shit out of me to promote them. But I like the game anyway, but then this is extra. They didn't, I could be getting a cool grand for this right now. You're going to have to wait for Diablo 5, pro. You're waiting 10 years, 13 years. Yeah, I'm going to fucking see Diablo.

five. A eulogy for Diablo five. Yeah, exactly. A eulogy for Activation Blizzards. Yeah, we're going to have all the red guys in the fucking, oh my God. Anyway, either way. The energy thing. So I, like, I mean, yeah, like, that's a good point. And I get it. And I understand that, like, yeah, you know, I'm like, I'm putting that out there and whatever.

But, like, like. What else am I going to do? It's not, it's not like I was writing it and being like, Wanting it. Like I think this is going to happen. And wanting it. It was just like, you know, I'm like, like, writing it, like, being like, yeah, like, whispers of your death.

I'm like, like, that is like, uh, that's a song about how getting my cat stop me from blowing my brains out and how I love him. And I, and like, I hope he never, like, I wish he never died. I wish he would live forever. But like, yeah, one day he's going to. And like, same with the band. It's like, I don't, I don't, I didn't want you legit to be the last record. And I mean, obviously like-

It won't be because you're doing pretty well. And and that's it. That's it. That's it. It's like, you know, like I wrote that being like, oh, you know, like, I don't know how much longer I can like do this and like give so much of my life to this thing. And then like, you know, we turn around and it's like, oh, biggest North American headliner. Fucking Europe likes us now. I'm like, oh shit, like we're doing well everywhere. And it's like. took a minute. Like it fucking took a second. But, you know. No offense. But no, trust me.

I'm fucking I, and, you know, and even though I try to be less mean in Europe now, there's always going to be that little part of me where I was like, you motherfuckers. It's like, I had to fucking twist your arm to like us. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know, I don't know what it is. Like, you know, maybe, maybe I could have like worn something funny or like, maybe maybe I could have worn one of those hoodies where the sleeves are a different color. Oh yeah. Oh my God. Maybe I could have like... Europe loves one of those.

Oh my God. Do they fucking ever. You know, maybe, yeah, maybe I could have like dressed like shit and like wrote bad music and you would like us. But finally it turned around and like, you know, yeah, I mean, realistically the only thing, uh, maybe not the only thing, but like the main thing is like, yeah, I mean, obviously like I wrote a song about my sick cat. He was sick. He like literally had cat HIV. it's like he like when we got him it's like I knew it wasn't going to be forever we yeah we talked about that on the last one yeah but I like I wrote about him being sick and how like I want I would do anything to keep him around for as long as possible because he was my whole fucking world but

you know like the band thing it's like we're not fucking breaking up now it's like I wrote it as like maybe this might be the last thing and if it is the last thing I want to have some like profound goodbye for all this stuff, you know? Yeah. And then for most things aside from my cat dying, it was, you know, it was like it's all been proven wrong, you know, like, like writing a song like bound of the burn about like, you know, how I like, like, I give so much to this fucking band and like I sacrifice everything and I haven't been able to have like a real life because I'm doing this and I don't feel like

there's any. That's real. like reciprocation that hits yeah and like and that that's it but it's like that was what i don't even remember when we fucking did that like when we recorded it but like that's why i felt when we recorded but now i'm like it's just good now yeah i'm like everything is just so like i mean you know it sucks at the one song that i wish i could like that i wish time would prove wrong was the one about my cat. I mean, fuck, I'd fucking quit both bands in a heartbeat if I could bring Kuma back. But, you know, but, uh, like, still, you know, it's like, it wasn't like I was setting it

in stone and being like these things will happen. It was just me writing from a place of like, I think these things are going to happen and I don't know how to like deal with it. Yeah. And with like, with the, what I said about the magical energy thing, you need to want that thing to happen for it to be charged. Sure, sure. Then I kind of, you gave an excellent answer for a question that didn't even have to be fucking said, but I hope people got something out of that. And I have another question and I don't want it to be sound insensitive.

Sure. And you don't have to answer it. How does a cat get HIV? It's like, I mean, it's like, so it's FIV. It's like feline, you know, deficiency virus. I think it just, it spreads from, like cats like getting in fights or like through bites and scratches and stuff like that and it's like it's like it's a it's not necessarily like a death sentence by any means it's just like it was

just you know like if a cat has it it's like you just have to be more careful like you know like it's not like like I would have loved to like put kuma on like a fucking leash and like take him outside but if he like gets bit by a mis like if he would have gotten bit by a mosquito that had like some blood-borne thing he could just die because he like he literally didn't have an immune system yeah so like that like that's kind of how it spreads and like it really pissed me off that the place that we adopted them from they just like didn't test for it they're like well he didn't have symptoms i'm like yeah if he's not sick he's not gonna have fucking symptoms it's like you know but that is like that's how like it's like commonly spread and stuff and he was like he was

feral, he was outside. Like, he was like a feral cat before they found him. So, yeah, I you ever, you ever take any of your pets medication? I mean, I've thought about it. Oh, hey. For sure. Oh, dude, like, yeah, like, being like, how many of these little fucking cat gabapentence would fuck me? I know. Yeah, no, because my, like, my girlfriend's cat was on gabapentin and I, like, Googled it. And it was like, that's not enough, like, for me to have a nice gabapentin buzz. You would need a lot. Yeah, for sure. But, right, my dog, had a phantom pregnancy where they think they're pregnant

and it basically they go into they go as if they got swollen stomach and all this shit and they they produce milk as if they're pregnant right drinking that milk no I'm not drinking the milk and the milk was fucked up it was like green bro it was she looked like teenage

mutant ninja doggy it was fucking crazy secrets of the ooze but it was my dog's tits right and they put her on them fuck what do they put her on they put her on this thing called caba goling sure right and i'm just weird with like with drugs and and like pharmaceuticals and shit like that so i googled it and it ends up like

bodybuilders take it for not for like any increased like gains in muscle mass or anything like that it's there's certain uh drugs that bodybuilders take that increase prolactin which is the thing that makes you, which makes you, you know, when someone says, when someone like fucking the guy from Fight Club and he's got Bob's,

yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, um, that's from high prolactin, which makes a man lactate. Anyway, so there's certain drugs that give them that. So they take K.

Magogone. Okay. I don't know how to pronounce it. To stop that, right? But one of the side effects of it is zero refractory period after nuting. You nut and then you can nut straight again.

Did you take it? fuck yeah and then but another but another one bro we're taking fucking dog meds we're fucking oh I shit you not

and uh it was like I should disclaimer it was once the phantom pregnancy was over and there was some left in the bottle I'm not stealing her meds and letting her be fake pregnant like she was finished and I was like

I'll Google it yeah like pill time in the morning I get one for you and for me. This brings us right round to everything. It's that following taking it, I like the next day, I put some pretty fucking outlandish football bats on. Right? This is insane.

So it made you good a gambling? No, this is insane. I fucking, I googled it. Like, I didn't Google that, I couldn't really fucking sleep. Sure.

And I googled, maybe it was the fucking cable going in, not I took yesterday. It was for my dog's tears. And one of the other symptoms, I shit you not, was gambling. A symptom from a medication.

And it was like reduced impulse control, i.e. gambling. Because of something, whatever the part of the brain that deals with post nut clarity is also... pregnancy and gambling. And gambling.

They're all connected. They do your milk. They do your... gambling and they do and it was fucking nuts because I won one of the bets but it was like afterwards it was like I shouldn't have done that fucking bet anyway forgot about it googled the thing because I couldn't sleep about it I was like maybe I won't take my dog's tit meds and then boom absolutely like boom it was like I can't remember what the fucking name was like something down it literally said gambling in the side effect I was yeah that's crazy

impulse control I don't take your dog's fucking meds it meant if I if that's the case, then like, yeah, next time I go to the casino, next time I hit Woodbridge and lose, you know, a couple hundred bucks, I'm going to be like, must have been the tip meds. It must have been the tip meds. But that's also, because I got fascinated with that. So I went down like a rabbit hole of like, how can a medication make you gamble? And it's people that have, people that have sex addiction naturally have super low prolactin. Okay.

Because they're, but, and it's like double whammy because they can, they're, they're, higher your prolactin is the higher the longer your refractory period the period that you want sex again the longer that is the yes i'm i'm so i'm tit-to-tail prolactin so maybe but the the lower it is like the the the shorter the refractory period is but also the more you your impulse control is bad and your dopamine response is blunted so So, not, it's like a triple whammy. Yeah, that sounds like me. I could, yeah, if not.

Well, so I have low dopamine. I, my impulses, my impulse control is dog shit, dog tit milk shit. And, but the refractory period, that's a long time. I think I'm just a broken person. Well, no, sorry, the dopamine, the thing, the way it works is it is a dopamine antagonist or whatever. It boost dopamine. Okay. dopamine and prolactin are like related.

So it's fucking, it's fully fucking not. Maybe you need some. You got any left? Oh, and you know what another thing is? Do you bring some with you? This brings it around full fucking circle. It's like I planned this. They used to give it for restless

leg syndrome. Jesus Christ. I'm a fucking scientist. They used, and they stopped because people were fucking gambling. And anyone that doesn't, anyone that doesn't believe me can Google it. If you go on like WebRX. I have restless leg syndrome and I gamble.

like fuck yeah but you're you must have impulse control oh i mean i'm talking like people gambling their i don't have house away and shit i mean it's all it's all relative like compared to you know a metal cord yelling guys salary like yeah i'm probably bed in the house most times so but it's still in my bedside drawer in case i have a night my my restless legs are really bad i'm just going to drink the dog tip milk fucking yeah medication again yeah have a sip and then You'll be up on the fucking, the lad broke's app. On the sites. Yeah.

I'm just taking my sights. I'm doing emails. Relax. Relax. Hey, we did a bit about music. It was kind of cool. Yeah, it's all right. Music's fine.

Music, I mean. It's okay. You fucking do too much music, man. I saw, I know. I saw your fucking, I saw you in Japan. Then I went home. And then I went on tour again. And I saw you like four weeks later and you'd been away the whole time.

Yep. Yeah, I was gone from like, what like. Why the fuck do you do it? Why don't you just say no when I go, let's do an end tour straight after a counterpart's tour? Because I just. You feel bad. No, because I just don't like being on the phone.

So when I get a phone call about scheduling, I just, I just answer the phone and go, yep, I'm in. And then I hang up. And then you hate it. Yeah, and then my life's fucking ruined. But, I mean, I, like, I do, I do, like, traveling and I do, like, touring and stuff like that. I mean, I would, like, I mean, if somebody called me and was like, do you want to do two records in a row, I'd be like, I'd rather suck on a gun like it's a dick. But, you know, touring, I'm like, cool, this will be fun, you know, even, like, doing two sets in a night, I'm like, this is fine.

I can do it. You can do two sets back-to-back and counterpart's? Yeah, yeah. How long are these sets? end sets about fucking one second long and that's yeah and uh well i mean honestly like with counterparts like we want to we're trying to like trim the fat and end is like

no oops all fat baby like we're adding like six more fucking songs that no one's gonna give a shit about so I don't know what so I'm you've got people that haven't told like that's it I love it I love that Will's having his rock star era not he's a rock star but he's having his era but it's part of me that's slightly jealous

of how much he just fucking loves playing music and let's do all these tours and play all these songs because I was like that. I wish I haven't been like that since I was like 16 years old like dude like there's been multiple times with counterparts where like I think it was last summer we did like the Eurofest

like we would like we'd show up and I would look at the fucking schedule and it'd be like, yo, we have a 55 minute set. I'm like, we don't even have a fucking bassist. We're playing eight songs. This set is 29 minutes long. Wait, yeah, I was going to say, 55 for what end?

No, for counterparts. And I'm like, you know, and like, we'd get offstage and they'd be like, you still have 30 minutes left in your set, and we'd be like, he-he, and just like walk away. And then with end, it's like, oh, shucks, we only have a 45-minute set. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. 45? Like

Of end songs as well. No offense. No one wants to watch end for an hour. Like 45 minutes to an hour. We should just start the set and do blast beats for 15 minutes and call it. But like, you know, like, yeah. I mean, like, you know, we, when, usually when we do play, like, you know, we play the heaters and we do like the bangers and stuff like that. But then, you know, it's like, oh, we can do like, oh, we can do like stands of sleep from splinters, like the last song.

and it's like, bro, this is like, it's like bordering on, it's a bit like that as well. It's like bordering on like a doom track. Tom's like that. And then we do it and everyone, every motherfucker in the room is staring at me like this. We've got that coming up with fucking matter work. I'm like, what? I'm like, it'll be cool.

It is this. I'm like, why are we doing this? It doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter. Like there's no fucking point. It's annoying. It's like we've already been playing for 40 minutes. Why do I have to play for five minutes more?

And then also then also I mean fucking but I'm tired screaming is fucking hard. Playing drums, sure. Oh no, I fucking hate it. It's never it's never the singers and the drummers being like, we should have a longer set. It's always the little fucking guitar boys who are like, oh yeah, oh maybe oh, but I really want to use this. And they're the guys that go, why don't we run these eight songs together without a break? No. Dude, and like there's there's multiple.

times, like, during the sets where I'm just like, I haven't had a second, I'm like, both my, I have two water bottles in front of the kick drum, and I'm like, they're both sealed still. I haven't had a second to drink fucking water. And I know that's my fault, because if I have to pick between the two water bottles and my Fables and the Jameson Cup, I'm taking the Jameson reverse order. Yeah, I'm doing it in the reverse order, obviously. But like, yeah, like, that's just, you know, and I'm just like, so anyway, to answer your question, uh, my whole, My whole thing was like for Japan, like, it makes sense because because of how far the flight is. And because End had like, you know, Australia, Southeast Asia afterwards, it made sense to do it.

And then my whole thing was like, oh, so if I'm playing two sets, it was broken out by like a band in between every night in Japan. And then, you know, I'd have like a 30 minute break or whatever. But my whole thing was just, I'm just going to half as both. it's like yeah like if i if i half-ass both sets if you put them together you get a whole ass so it's fine that's pretty so i'm good and and that was it and it was like i think i'm you know i'm sure the counterpart set was like that's the thing it's like the counterpart set is always shorter than it's supposed to be and the end set is always longer than it's supposed to be so it's like uh you know if we have two hours like yeah they're getting like or i mean maybe not too like an hour and a half

it's like they're getting like that those 90 minutes are getting full, I will be doing vocals for 90 minutes, but it might just not be in the order that you want. You know what I mean? Like for people at the shows. You ever lose your voice? No. Yeah. I've never seen, I've never seen you do it. Just build different, baby. I will say, I won't lose my voice from playing shows, but if we go to like a bar and it's loud as fuck, and I'm like in your ear, like, you know, we see like some funny guy and we're like making fun of them and I'm like goofing off and I have to yell that doesn't then he's making a bit it doesn't happen oh no it's never happened um but but like that like me talking over like

talking over music like the next morning I'll wake up and be like shit I can't talk like I lost it but I can scream for I can do two sets for for a week and then do three more weeks of you know 50 minutes set and I just it's fine You're different, baby. You and Sam Carter. Yeah, but he can hit notes. I know. I can't hit notes.

You've got to hit some notes now these days. Yeah, but even on the last tour, I was like, I'm not hitting it. We're just cutting this fucking song. Nice. But, you know, but then, yeah, that's with counterparts. But then with end, it would be like, no, we're going to add two more songs then if we're cutting that one. And I'm like, fuck. Will and Tom have the same fucking brain there.

And it's like, we haven't come in. up we got allowed of work at the last track huge outro of nothing yeah and i get why you would think that's going to be cool it never translates it never and we did it on only death is real as well we're like yeah and we'll end with that song the last track on only death as real and we'll like loop it and then we like did it and we did it for like three shows and then it gets dropped people don't care and like that's like with so like with counterparts i mean like obviously you know, counterparts is like,

that's like my baby. That's like my kid. Like I, you know, like, that's my bricked up kid. That's my bricked up kid. He just stole a fucking,

he just stole the fuck. He just stole the show. He just stole a Mars bar and he's fucking, you know, fully erect. Um, but,

hey, we got him in Canada too. It's a, yeah, it's a good chocolate. Good for us. Great chocolate bar. Top tier.

Fuck you. Um, for those that don't know, it's Snickers without the peanuts. A eulogy for those don't know. For those still Mars. It's a Snickers without me knows.

But, but yeah, like that. For Mars to serious. I'm sorry. I could do this all day. But yeah, like,

I don't know, with fucking, it's, it never, like, we all in, like, with counterparts,

like, we always talk about it where it's like, you know, everyone's like, oh, like play compass, like do this.

And I'm just like, bro, like, yeah, it's a good song to listen to. Doing it on stage, it's like,

bro, we... You think you want this, but you don't. Exactly. It's like you don't want the four and a half minutes of this song. You want the last 20 seconds. So then that's always a thing that we talk about where I'm like, what if we just play the end of it?

Love it when bands do that. Yeah, what if we do a fucking medley? How about that? Oh yeah, I fucking love, I love a medley. I love, in fact, speaking of Gojera from Mars Bar to Sirius XM, sure. They... Serious Twitter, yeah.

Sorry, X. They did that song, Remembrance, it's like an old Gojera song. The old song with a breakdown, the song, The song, before that breakdown, I don't want to say it sucks, because, you know, music is,

no, no one wants it. They want the end. So what they do now? It's going to do anything live. They just slap, they slap the fucking end in the middle of the set. Guess what? Everyone loves it.

Everyone goes apeshit. And that's what I've been trying to fucking tell everyone where I'm like, like we have a song on hell and home called soil and it's like yeah like the the whole you know the three minutes leading up to the end breakdown are like you know it's like fucking nerd boy shit it's like no headstock fucking you know uh what timing is this like fucking goofy man stuff and i'm like goofy man stuff yeah exactly you know what i mean you know what i'm talking about rich ridged brain stuff yeah rich brain real real smart guy stuff but it's like it's

whatever, and it just doesn't, it's like, we're not going to fucking play that live. That's crazy. But then the breakdown at the end, I'm like, this would be an amazing outro. It'd be an unbelievable end of the set. It'd be fucking awesome. And so I'm like, I keep trying to like, you know, express that and shit and being like, what if we did this? And like, you know, a lot of our songs, it's like, it's not necessarily songs. Like when I look at, when I look at a set list for either band, I'm like, I'm looking at parts. I'm like, you know, okay, there's like a two-step part into a chorus that everyone knows,

into a breakdown, into a big fucking crowd sing-along, pile-on part. I'm like, that's a live song. That, you know, but the other shit, it's like, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's like if we really wanted to play it, we just would. And it would just be, you know, it's like, cool. Like, oh, if people are bored, like, kiss my ass. But, like, in a live setting, it's like, there is a, necessary amount of fan service that you have to do to make it good because like that was always my

thing with end where it'd be like you know like they're you know we'd like we do like nine songs and then it would be like the first three pop the middle three there's like a lull and it's like I can see everybody like getting bored and like not being interested in the fucking like they're standing there just like like can we hit each other yet and I'm like why are we doing this I'm like and when it's in every fucking night thing. I'm just like, man, maybe we don't do the art shit. Like, maybe we appeal to the lowest common denominator, which is a guy in a fucking windbreaker with all black fans who just wants to fight. You know what I mean? Get it done. That is my worry about fucking, what's our time I'm saying, Marley, what we got?

Because 10 minutes, Jesus fucking Christ. I can talk about this all day. I hate being in bands. Me too. But that is my worry about AI music when that really happens because people it will turn people's brains to mush because they'll just go um architects uh verse into polaris chorus into uh gogera breakdown and type it into the thing and then they'll make music that they go oh this is great but it's got does that not is that not just what is that not never we at least have to make it with our brains sure sure But people have to make it with their brains, but like, is that not just what's,

what happens now? It is. When you look at the big bands in our world, it's like, no, but the fans, when I see, unless it's not a slate on your fans or on my fans,

but when I see. You can make fun of our fans. I love it. I love to do it. Oh, yeah. It's great. I mean, I will,

but behind their backs. I'm not doing it to their fucking face. Oh, I'll do it to their face. Okay. I'd kill for, like, just one hot one.

That'd be crazy. But, but, but, but, but, Wait, one hot counterparts fan. Yeah, with a big wallet filled to the brim with money.

Oh, there's definitely hot counterparts fans. Hey, you can have it. I would die for that. Instead, it's people being like, what do you mean you don't like the current will carry us? There's, there's hot counterpart's fans. Do you know who there is, though? Do you know the episode I did with Kubla Khan?

Sure. Now, for a man who has been previously fucking dragged from hardcore Twitter or whatever, for his mosh calls, which, you know, they're not as bad as what I say. They're not, but they're not. This one's,

he got called out for this one's for all the ladies. I want to see you shake your asses, right? Now, that is not bad. That is not a bad, a bad fucking thing to say at all, but they tried to drag him. I was there.

That was, it was at the Sarkor. I was there for that. But like the, and I was like, oh, it's mad. Like, he's like goofing off.

Yeah. He's like just, for a band that, apparently, you got dragged for that, I've never been followed by so many baddies when I, when I shared that fucking, when I shared the Kubla Khan episode, because it went on with Kubla Khan, it was like, sure, downbeat Kubla Khan, it wasn't even my personal account, but it just like, I, the follows. Not for me personally, so I'm not being fucking shady or anything, but the follows,

I was like, oh damn. God damn. That's the thing. If you make music for, like, counterparts, if you make music for like, that's like a little bit, you know, it's like, oh, you're like showing off a little bit. Yeah, you get the fucking ugly. And then, and then when I write lyrics, it's like our fan base is like, and like, and I love it. And I love that people can like relate to it and feel like seen and heard and shit like that. But it's like, yo, any like I, like I, somebody like sent this to me like it was like a Reddit post or something. the in the last couple days and it was just like people talking about like hey like what do we think about like counterparts and everyone's like I don't get it because I'm not fucking miserable and it's like you know it just kind of it just kind of it comes to the territory like that's our shit and it's like that's where we you know and I'm like and I hate it I'm like yo I if should happen to me and not you guys I wish you guys couldn't relate to it but yeah because of that we get but also people that that like us are kind of fucking miserable.

But also disclaimer, like, I, because people don't get our sense of humor. You're not saying, and I know you're not saying, but I just want to put it out there that you're not saying that you wish that your fans were hot so you could get with your fans. It was a joke. The thing was a joke about your fan being nerdy boys. That was the joke.

People are fucking idiots and sometimes I really need to just fucking. If anyone likes heavy music, they're a friend of me. I'm good because I don't even fucking like this shit. It sucks. You don't. Nuss. We've got 10 fucking minutes on the fucking clock.

I haven't liked a heavy record since 2005. Misery signals. We've had this chat. We've had it on all. This is the fourth episode. Are you the four? You are the only person to do four. Three, I think.

Three? No, we did. Is it four? Pre-pandemic, mid-pandemic, and then we did end of pandemic when we both got COVID. You are number four. Oh, yeah. Oh, fuck when I was in my room. Stuck.

You've come in on four. which is unbelievable which means we've covered there's no way we can do a dream festival in what, eight minutes now five minutes

it keeps going down Dream festival no we can't do this but I mean you could reel it out real quick the 19705 twice black pink

uh everglow maybe better off and then I'm good I'll take it what's the food what would the food be at the dream festival

what would catering be hot dogs be hot dogs you're a hot dog fan oh yeah I'm a hot dog fan I didn't know this about you hot dog weak yeah i didn't know this about you i am i love what's your go to hot dog any oh i mean uh i don't know i don't even know what like no but i mean like a costco hot dog

a cinema hot dog yeah yeah movie costco hot dogs Costco hot dog the the costco in fucking glasgow if there's line is always so big i never do it but i love them so much if there's one here we can go tomorrow i have i have a membership so do actually i don't think you need a membership to get the hot dog you do but you can get in. Really? We've both got it. We can go in like fucking... I feel like if you go in the other... JZ video. The other door. Oh shit. Just come straight in.

I love a whole dog. Have you seen the guy, the Costco guy that was like, if you... If you change the price, yeah. I'll fucking kill you. For inflation, the man that is in control. I guess the CEO of Costco they were like, we're going to have to make

the hot dog combo $2. And he said, if you change the price, I will fucking kill you. So sick. So sick. That's like a business mosh call. I like, I love threats. They're sick.

They work. Against myself and others. They fucking work because how much does a Costco hot dog cost with a pop? No, one fucking 50. It works. It works. You could, you would struggle to get that much pop on its own for 150.

You could get a fucking pop for 150? anywhere. Well, I don't know. Maybe if you bought the bottle yourself and the amount you were drinking was 150's worth. Maybe if you're out of venue and you're playing the small room and there's a big venue upstairs, but that's where the green rooms are and you walk to the bar because no one's around and you grab the nozzle and you pour yourself a cup of pop.

Yeah, okay, maybe. But where's my fucking hot dog? Listen, this is a counter offer. Every time I do that, where's my hot dog? This is a counter offer to the Costco CEO. if you raise the price of the combo meal to above 150, I'll fucking kill myself. Harry Kiri style in protest.

Easy. Self-immolation. I'll walk into a Costco, set myself on fire like the fucking rage gets a machine cover. R-IP that guy. But honest to God, I'm, before I do it, I'm getting a fucking hot dog. You kidding? If I'm going out, I'm having a fucking hot dog. We don't raise hot dog prices here.

All we raise is merch prices. Wait, but you're going to pay the fucking, you're going to pay, you're going to pay the $2 amount and then kill yourself in protest. Yeah. Yeah, I'll flick a matuni. I think we can,

we can end it there. But what country would the Dream Festival be in? I don't mind a Dream Festival when it's quick fire. What country? Hamilton, Ontario, baby. Really? So I could walk home, yeah. See, this is why I stopped doing the Dream Festival

because everyone wants that? Because we've all been on tour. and we all want to be at home. I mean, that or... The implied question is, what is your favorite country in the world that no one gets? If it couldn't be Hamilton,

it would either be in Tokyo or it would be in Melbourne. Of course, and that was the other reason I want to stop the fucking dream festival because we all know the best cities in the world and it's those two. I love you.

Let's go and get some food. I hope they've got hot dogs. You had pizza before, though, didn't you? I did, yeah. You're out on eating. It's just me. Oh, like, if I see a hot dog on the menu, I'll get it.

She's shaking out. head what's on the menu and you take what's on the menu jazz uh there's food there's if not across the street there's this sick bar with nachos if not is the worst thing you could say to a man who's been in this room for fucking nine hours i'm not i know there's food because we got food last time don't be annoyed at me you look like you have you got like a have you you got like a sharp side to you can you be catty yeah i saw it come out there Why just now? Yeah.

Something turned in your ears. I don't know if they can hear you, so I'm going to stop this podcast. I love you. Let's go. I love everyone that listens to this. Listen to counterparts. Buy some counterparts merch, probably. Buy my own shit.

It's better if you just show up and just give me the money directly. Nice. Bye. And vapes. And vapes.