The Downbeat - Brendan Murphy - Counterparts/End COVID SPECIAL

Episode Date: December 19, 2021

I caught up with Brendan Murphy from Counterparts and END to talk about how we both caught COVID in Brooklyn, life after music, being gigantic divas, and which vocal warm ups he definitely does not do.

Hello there. Um, what's up? What's been going on? I've been, uh, well, you can't reply, so I'll reply. I've been in America, recording the new Stray album. That was very long. I mean, it wasn't long. I did it in four days, if you're asking.

Uh, but it was difficult. My back fucked up a little bit. We did five shows afterwards with Stixie Guns. That was good. And then I've got COVID. I've currently got. COVID. Got it in Brooklyn, I think. Just sort of

chilling with COVID. It's actually fine. I've got no other than you can hear my voice going. I've got no real symptoms. I got a bit of a runny nose. I had a sore throat for about a minute. By a minute, I mean about half a day. And I've got weird pain like I've been punched in my kidneys, but other than that, I'm fine. So there's

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We just toured together in his other band end. We caught up because we both got COVID from the same venue in Brooklyn. We talk about that. There's about 20 minutes, 15 minutes at the start where we talk about that. Then we really hit our stride talking about his aspirations in comedy outside of music. We talked about the metal core being a dirty word.

We talked a little bit. It was just fucking sick. He's the first guest, I think, to be on three times on the Downbeat Podcast. And he's an absolute legend. It's Brendan Murphy on the Downbeat Podcast. Is he making sounds? Okay, stop fucking with me. I was fucking with you.

I'm sorry. Okay. Hey. All right. We're good, I think, for now. Hey. What's up? What's up, everybody?

How are you? Is this to me or is this to other people? It's my, let me fucking... Just to everyone, you know? Let me call the fucking shots here. How's your COVID? Mine, good. I feel, I feel no different.

Like, I, uh, I've literally played shows probably with you, um, with like, strep throat and food poisoning that's been worse than this. The symptoms. What you got? Any? Like, I'm a little sweaty right now. Like my chicken breasts are a little damp. You got a little sweat on.

I've got, do you know what? I've had, what did I have? I had a runny nose, had a cough for about, and I sore throat for about half a day. Same. And then I had two days where it first. like someone to punch me in my kidneys. And then that's it.

Now I've got nothing. I'm still testing positive, but I've got zero. I didn't get that one. It was literally like, so the entire tour, I didn't feel anything. And then we fucking,

Kenny and I drove home on the 14th, like the day after we saw you at the Belleville studio. And on that drive, I was like, I remember going to bed that night. And I was like, oh, like my throat's a little bit dry. Bullshit.

you know, but, um, but, you know, for the drive, it was like, I was, I was fine, like, maybe like a little bit of a cough, but I kind of just chalked it up to like, I was just screaming for five days straight and not really sleeping because we had to do all the fucking New Jersey, go to Buffalo, go to Albany, go back to New Jersey, like that shit. And I was on an air mattress. So I was like, all right, like, I just feel like shit. It's fine. And then we get home and the next day I woke up like, and I feel bad. And I feel back because like Kenny and I were we felt fine and we were just like hanging out in the apartment with Adrian like watching videos and shit and then like I went to bed and the next morning I woke up

and saw your shit and I was just like okay like I got to get it I got to like stay in my room I got to get a test and then I I was like yeah like I'm just going to I'll just be here fuck it whatever but since then since that drive home like I haven't felt anything like no no symptoms at all It's fucking weird. It's weird. I don't know if it's like just because we've been vaccinated or it is like some strain that doesn't do fucking anything. Where do you think it came from?

Tid the season. That's my, that's my, if I was making a movie, that's where it was coming from. I like, that's like the most common, like, you know, like that's what everybody's kind of going with right now. So I did get a message from somebody on Twitter. saying that there was a guy at the Brooklyn show that we played that had a fake Vax card and was front in front of the stage singing the lyrics, no mask on.

So like could have been that, but also like, you know, not everybody and stick to your guns is positive either. And same with everybody in N too. So I'm like, I mean, and straight, I guess. So it's like, I don't really know. I don't think we're going to be able to fucking chase it. but uh but yeah like tid the season would make sense because there was there's people i know that went to that that oh that's like the only show they went to like people from canada where it's like

that's the only shit that they went to this year and they went to tid the season and they got covid so plus it's like way funnier to just say that we got it there you know what i mean yeah i think if i i know there's no point trace in it but it's like it's kind of fun to think like who did it and then I can think who's the dirty motherfucker who didn't wash their hands but realistically I think probably everyone got it

the mad thing about those Vax cards is like America is currently running on a piece of paper like the safety of the nation is cardboard yeah yeah I just I just said that to

like I was saying that to Alison yesterday I was like um like she's like married to George from Stick Your Guns and she's like she was like they were both really worried because George had his graduation and shit for college and stuff and she was she was freaking out and she was like yeah like you know got my Vax card and shit and I'm just like it's so crazy that like America just has a fucking piece of paper it's like I could I could fake that in like fucking 20 minutes you know what I mean it's just like my Costco card is like more

believable than that fucking thing is you know what I mean it's just like why why are aren't they, why isn't there something crazier in place? Like here we have the fucking, it's like in our Apple wallet and like you double click the fucking power button on your phone and you like show them and it's like a QR code that they actually scan. This is like some fucking jerk off with a pen writing like, okay, Brendan got Pfizer at fucking Walmart. It's just, you know what I mean? It's so weird. The, uh, I'm interested to see that the, like I don't want to talk about fucking all this shit for that long. But like,

I'm interested to see the data on whether or not the Omicron shit is less severe because of a mutation that's less severe or if it is less severe because we've all been vaccinated because I could currently fucking go to the gym. I would love to go to the gym. If I wasn't testing positive, I could go to the gym right now.

If it gets to the point where everyone's fucking, it's so fucking mild, everyone can just go about their day. Cool. Pull up a chair, COVID. You can hang out. Not a massive fan of you. You've done some damage, but...

Of course, but, you know. Yeah, dude, that was... That was the crazy thing. It was, like, on the 15th, like, that's when I got my test. And I, um, I woke up that day and I was like, man, I just, like, feel better. Like, I'm probably fucking good. And I was like, I was waiting.

I was going to go to the gym. I saw your thing. And then I was like, and then I started getting text from other people that they were positive. And I was like, all right. Like, I'll like, I'm not leave. I'm going to go get my PCR. I'm not leaving my bedroom until I know what's going on. So I did that.

And then the next day, I was like, man, I feel totally fucking fine. Like there's no, there's no fucking way of habit. I'm like, if I get my test by 1 p.m. like 24 hours, like I'm going to the fucking gym. I'm, you know, my shit's normal. Like, I feel fine. And then I got the fucking email being like, you're positive. And I was just like, oh, shit, okay. Kenny was like a little fucked up for a couple days, but we were talking like,

late last night. And he was just like, yeah, like, I'm fine. Like, I don't have symptoms anymore. Like, I'm just good. So I was just like, all right. Well, it seems like everybody has, everyone that I know that is vaccinated has the same sort of reaction to it. And I mean, like, I was scared because it's like, I have asthma.

I fucking vaping. I scream for a living. It's like, you know, I'm like the prime target for it. Does vaping make you more susceptible? No, but I mean, it's like, it's, it can't be good for my lungs. But you know what I mean? I saw shit earlier on being like, yes, smokers, like, they're at higher risk. So it's like not smoking, but still like I'm putting shit in my lungs and I have asthma.

Like, you know, I was like, yeah, like, and I'm very unhealthy. I treat my body like dog shit So it's just like all right Like you would think that I would get it And be like fucked up Kenny's also been smoking cigarettes Since he was like what eight years old So like I would think that it might

You know what it got him to But I only figured out that Kenny smoked the other day I was like oh wow you smoke He was like yeah I've always smoked every time I've ever met you I was like oh He was saying yeah when he drove you to the studio

That's so funny Maybe I just block it out he's like king fucking smoker guy loves to rip sigs uh i'm a huge fan massive fan of the the vaccine no vaccine argument now i just i love it i love just seeing people argue on both sides i love them i thought you meant in the chat for a second and i was like there's no fucking way and then i looked it's like no you mean like just in general just i mean i'm yeah i mean in the chat as well Well, I just, I, I love it because no one will shut up. Everyone's been offered it now, right?

So if you're against it, you can't take it back out of people's blood. So shut up. And if you're for it, you've had it. So shut up. Yeah. I mean, my shit, I'm like, like, I'm sure that's the reason why we're both fucking fine right now is because we did get vaccinated. Did you get a booster yet or no? No, I was supposed to get one.

And then I got the real. Neither did I. I got the OG booster. Yeah. What? COVID. Oh, the legit one. Yeah, true.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like I think the only two people that are, that were on the tour that like had a booster were George from Stick to your Guns and Jay from end. And they're both fine. They're both negative still. So. Interesting. It's like, I don't know what, I don't know what more proof you need.

that but it's just like all right like i'm i'm getting mine next week so are you allowed i've got to wait six six months or six weeks after getting covid to get that i don't know i see i see you're gonna double drop that fuck me whatever you know what i mean i i've seen so much shit like where it's like oh yeah like wait like four weeks like this type of shit but then i saw something that said uh it was like as long like you can get the booster as long as like if you have COVID now like book your boosters. So it's like after your 10 day quarantine and when you don't have symptoms and like you're fine. So I'm like, all right. Like I'll just book my booster for the 27th then, I guess.

You know what I mean? Like I that's what I've been seeing online. So like I'll go there and if, you know, I'll tell the person putting it in my arm like, hey, I had COVID like last week and I'm all good now. I'm recovered. And if they go like, like, no, you can't. Oh, fuck. Yeah, they stick the needle in and try to suck it back out, maybe.

But worst case, if they're just like, yeah, you should just like wait a couple weeks. It's like, okay, I'll just go home. It's across the street from my house. So I'm like, whatever, fuck it. Fine by me. Do you know what? If they invent another one for something else, I'll probably just take that as well. I actually just enjoy, since I stopped doing drugs, I just didn't like anything that's like a little treat.

Like, oh, that might be bad for me. I actually like doing it. Do you know what I mean? I think that was a part of any kind of doing drugs was just like, oh, what are in these pills? And someone goes, I don't know, they've got speckles. And I go, fuck, yeah, let's go. Yeah, fuck, why not?

Now, vaccine is kind of like just the straight edge version of that. I'm not straight edge, but I'm like, oh, what's in the vaccine? No one really knows. Fucking suck it down me. I might get more cleverer. I might know which one of those words to use. I'm trying to get the fucking 5G. You know what I mean?

Like let them, let them do their shit. Let them control me. I don't care. As long as I can just, as long as I can leave the goddamn house, like being stuck in my bedroom is fucking dog shit. And like obviously it's like,

like I live with Adrian, right? So it's like, I'm like, he has the house and shit. Like I'm not just going to be like, oh, fuck it, whatever. Like, you're going to get it anyway and just like go,

like go around the house. But it's like if I lived alone, that'd be one thing. But for me, I'm just like, cool. I'm literally stuck in my fucking bedroom. And it's depressing as shit. I mean, look, I got nothing on the wall.

There is nothing on the wall. It's just about to say that. Everything's, everything's gray. It's fucking, you know. You look like you're inside a vaccine. That's the inside of the vaccine. See, I, as a testament for the booster, like I came home and had pretty depraved sex.

And she's triple boosted. So if there is, you know, we're testing her every day for everything. No, for the COVID. So you grabbed a clear blue as well. Clear blue, all of the, you know, all of the STI ones, all that shit. We just, just a rigmarole every morning. We just go for everything.

No, but she's testing negative constantly. And she's been boosted. I haven't been boosted. I don't want to make this a fucking booster advert because, you know what? I hate even more than people that are like, my body to burn. I hate Joe Biden trying to get people vaccinated. And the Jonas brothers.

And the Jonas brothers trying to get people vaccinated. I saw that and I was like, is there a way I can remove my vaccine? Is there any way that scientists can come in and actually remove it from my body? Because I don't want to be on that team. And I can just fucking, I can just, you know, let it run its course. Yeah, Adrian showed me that yesterday. I like, I was in, I was just in here, obviously, doing fuck all.

And then he was like, do you see the Joe Biden thing? And I was like, no, like, no, what? What are you talking about? And he's like, you have to watch it in like real time. And I like watched it. Sorry? They wonder why. People aren't getting vaccinated.

That is the lameest shit ever. I don't blame anyone. What the fuck were the Jonas brothers doing there? What are they going to do? Probably getting fucking paid. Oh, yeah, of course. Guys, you are, according Joe Biden's there. Like, according to my research, you are the most influential people on the planet.

And Camp Rock 2 came out, what, recently? Can we pay you some money to get people vaccinated? Yeah. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, that video is rough for sure. That was kind of dog shit. But, I mean, whatever, you know, it's, at least, at least at the, the very end of it, like, at least Biden's, like, a decent sport with the whole Byron thing

and, like, that whole shit. I'm like, all right. What's that shit? The fucking, the Bing Bong fucking Joe Byron shit. I mean, yeah, it's like, wait, wait, did he say something about it? No, but, like, that's what they're doing in the, in the video. Oh, I didn't even watch the video. I just saw that it was those two and I was like, not, not watching that. Take back my thing. Yeah. It's, it's like the Jonas brothers being like, like, mouthing the shit being like, what do you want to tell Joe Byron right now and like then he's there at the end and like that's it but I don't know it's like okay cool good sport but killed the meme though didn't it yeah definitely I mean the meme fucking the meme was was dead long long before that but that's whatever yeah it's done

what you've been doing in your isolation in your gray vaccine cave we should probably talk about the tour at some point but I want to I want to talk about yeah we'll yeah we'll get to the tour I've done like fuck all. I literally like, so like I, in my bedroom, it's like literally like there's my bed and this is my computer and that's it. So I haven't really left. I pretty much just order food. Adrian like gets it and puts it at my door for me. And then I fucking watch Kenny versus Spenny.

And I actually watched like every available new. episode of it's always sunny last night or the night before I guess but I just watch it I go on my TikTok a fucking tweet about having COVID haven't even haven't even done that yet no no no we'll get that we'll get there you know my son I'm not I'm body's in a weakened state now I'm unsure whether or not it's just because I've been away from home for two weeks or it's a COVID symptom I'm fucking horny. I don't know if it's like some sort of, some sort of spike protein. Oh, man.

From the vaccine, it's crazy. Wouldn't that be, like, imagine that was like, it was like, yeah, like, there's this new thing going around. It's called COVID-19, coronavirus 19. You'll be fine, but you're going to be mad, fucking horny for like 14 days, like so horny that you have to isolate away from the general public. Oh, fuck. That's what the isolation is for.

Nothing to do with spreading it. You're a danger. You get so horny. Yeah, you can't spread it. It's like, you see one, you see one person on TikTok cosplaying in a catwoman suit, and you're a fucking menace to the rest of the world.

That's the problem, I got fucking Spider-Man cosplay next door. Literally, yeah, true, true. Got a jump on the cosplay trend, Spider-Man's trending. I'm like, fucking sat here with COVID balls. What am I supposed to be fucking.

Fuck you're supposed to do, you know? What am I supposed to do? Test the booster. Testing that booster. Test, yeah. I mean, you're taking it through the fucking through the ringer right now. They should come and do experiments here. Let's just find out what's going on.

You just have people in fucking hazmat suits just being like, all right, like. Okay, fuck now. Okay, do your thing. Just do your thing. then I guess we'll see if she gets it. Oh, I hope this doesn't age terribly. I mean, yeah, that's the other thing. If we all end up dying, I'm going to feel real bad about like goofing, you know, tweeting at Ticketmaster being like I have COVID, like help me get twice tickets.

You know what I mean? I'd rather die, yeah. Yeah, but. I mean, if you die, then you're just dead, aren't you? I feel like dying is underrated, really. It's not really a threat anymore. No. To you or I, I feel, it's just not really, that that much doesn't scare me.

It's like, would you rather be bored or dead? I'd be like, yeah, if I can schedule a funeral, let's go. I've got a question, speaking of bored or dead, behind you, there's a photo frame. Who's in the photo frame? It's two pandas. Is it actually? Yes, you want me to get it? Yes, please.

Okay, well, I'm naked from the way. down. So, well, that's a big reveal as well. Are you actually? This is a great review. No, no, I got my, I got my shorts on. I've seen the Zoom bloopers, the Zupas.

It really is. The only thing in his room is a photo of two, not even a photo, a drawing of two pandas. It's, uh, just buy your bed. Do you kiss it before bed? I usually, yes. That's, sorry, the lights there, trying to, trying to make it nice.

That's the only frame I have in my fucking bedroom right now. but you know it's uh i have um i had like a like a framed uh drawing of kuma that somebody sent me um so i've got that that's in the living room though all of our shit like here anyway it's all like um the living room is like nice and then both of our bedrooms look like we are adult men who don't know how to decorate which is accurate nice yeah i got real bored in um I guess I moved house during the first lockdown and then just spent the whole of the lockdown doing the house up.

So everything is like LED lights, fucking, I went nuts on walls. But now I want to move. I do have the old counterparts neon. It's just in our storage locker. Why the fuck isn't that behind you? Love a neon. I'll get it. I'll get it.

Eventually, we'll see. If you turned that light off and you just had that big blue. counterparts neon behind you. Vipe. Yeah. Would be. I got an orb for pondering. That's true. I do have a light. Do you remember on the private room thing?

It was on Halloween. We played, or like near Halloween we played somewhere, I think it was probably chain. There was a Halloween store nearby and they were clearing all of their shit out. And so I got like a mad like Spencer's fucking gifts, light and it like kind of looks like that but you turn it on and it's like the one where if you like touch it it'll like the electric thing will like follow your finger and it just says pimp on it

I have that somewhere I actually I do remember that but yeah I should probably I should probably get that get that up and running I mean the other thing too is like I I mean when I don't have COVID I just come in here to sleep you know that's not really like I'm bringing people over here so I'm just like, whatever. It's fucking sad room. Who cares? Yeah, but what if, what if you bring a significant other back?

I probably wouldn't. It'd probably be weird for Adrian. I don't know. Would it? Roommies? Roommies? I've seen sitcoms. That's what happens.

And then they have an awkward chat with Adrian in the morning. And then you and him sit on your lazy boys next to each other and then you talk about it. And we watch our K-pop. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's possible. It might happen eventually, but it's kind of nice, you know, like not, like not being allowed to leave because then, you know, there's no repercussion of like flirting without any concrete

plans because that's my favorite thing, you know. The second someone asks the hang out in real life, I'm like, oh, no, don't do that, don't do that. You need that isolate that horny COVID isolation. Let me just address the chat once. The guy got banned anyway, it doesn't matter. Just if you're fucking, if your hobby right now is talking about COVID, then fucking get a new hobby. Just calm the fuck.

You are very fucking boring. Just talk about anything else. Go and learn out a skateboard. I don't know. Let's talk about your tour that I was also on. Was that your first shows back since? The first one's inside, for sure. We had ended furnace in September, like right in the middle of like counterparts doing the full length.

We went to Alabama, played furnace, which is so, I mean, I guess because it was like outside, but it's so crazy that like we did furnace when it was like, oh, like, what's the worst place on earth for COVID cases? Alabama. Like, okay, where are we playing a show in Alabama? How many people are going to be there? 13,000 or whatever the fuck it was. So it was like, you'd think we'd get it there instead of playing Albany to like fucking 25 people, but hey, you know, maybe being out in the open really helps. But yeah, we like, we did that and it was like a fucking 30 minute set. And then after that, nothing. We stayed for the weekend. But like, yeah, I haven't, I haven't, I haven't done a legitimate tour since, I guess, like, right before COVID happened. Last tour that we did was like the Europe-UK headliner.

Okay, so thoughts? First, first one's back? One second. One second. Let me get the Dutch coverage. So it, like, it was definitely, like, it was fun. It was cool to, like, be on tour and, like, playing shows again and shit.

Like I, like, I do miss it for sure. But, yeah, I just, I don't know. It's like,

it's weird. Like, there's this, like, weird feeling that I'm, like, doing something wrong by playing a show.

And I can't shake it, I guess. Like, the same feeling as when you start to piss yourself in a dream. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where you're like,

oh, like, oh, can't do that. It's like literally, yeah, like being, on stage and being like, whoa, like, this is fucking weird.

Like, this feels wrong. But, um, but, you know, like I, I did have fun. Like, I had a good time on the tour. I mean, it definitely helps that fucking, like, if all this shit was happening and like COVID cases were spiking and we had the fucking Omicron and all that shit. And I wasn't with like you guys and stick to your guns or like bands that were friends with, I'd probably be pretty fucking miserable. but you know

doing this run was it was fun I had a good time and got to play like a real legitimate set you know what I mean instead of like okay we have these fucking EP songs so we'll play the whole EP and then that's it we can't play anymore

because we put that record out last year like at the height of COVID I think it was like last summer or some shit so we haven't really been able to play those songs live a lot so like that was really cool um yeah it was nice to feel i mean you get it like we're both like pretty fucking starved for attention and shit it's like yeah like i yeah put a mic in my hand let me go on stage let me fucking make people laugh that's yeah see this that's i'll get the opposite

this this is my singing yeah and my drumming is actually my sitting at home in terms of stroking my ego. Sure. Yeah. And not to cut you off, but I think I hate drumming. I think I absolutely fucking hate it because I haven't done all of the things

that surround drumming for two years, loading in all the gear, changing drumheads, carrying stuff up the stairs, putting it all together, fucking being shot from all of that and then playing it badly and then packing it all down.

I haven't done all of that. And I hate it. And to do all that for, I'm being brutally honest here, to do all that for, well, I got my royalty check the other day. My PRS royalty was 90 pounds for three months. To do all that for that.

Sounds about right. Compared to sitting at home and putting a camera on and talking to people for much more money. I feel like I hate it. So what I'm going to do to make sure that that's not the case is I'm going to buy myself a drum tech for the next. tour. And if that makes me not hate it, then I know that I'm just a diva. And all it's going to, all it means is that I'm just going to make even less money because I have to pay. But then I have a good time because I have a good time in everything other than the drums. I have a good time with all the people. I have a good time when I'm

actually provided a play all right, playing the show afterwards, meeting people, people on tour, going to get food hanging out with the boys love it yeah everything that surrounds that to do with drums you feel like might be might be going in the bin for me sure do you do you enjoy like recording like do you like do you like a fucking thing from tom and you do like placeholder shit and then it's like cool like then you write drums record them and it's like does that interest you still or no Yes, but. Okay. Big but is, I think I'm going to,

I'm going to actually make sure that I'm less prepared next time because sometimes will... Less prepared. Yeah, because sometimes Will's like, not less repair, I guess, put it this way, I never want to do another one album again where I was not. at the studio for some of the writing. Because there was some parts that I weren't there writing.

And I just don't have the emotional connection to the part. I didn't. So I didn't really put that much effort into learning it. And then it fucking beat my ass in the studio. Because Will was like, it needs to sound like this, like the demo. And in my head, I don't care about the demo because I didn't help write it,

which is a fucking, as a me problem for sure. Sure, sure. But it did fuck me. it did make some stuff take longer. Yeah. And then there was other stuff that I spent ages, sorry, there was other stuff that I spent ages on that I was like,

I got married to, and then they got cut. The drum parts got cut, and it's like, I probably wasted three days learning that part. So do I, yeah, I either make myself less prepared or I make myself more prepared, but either one of those is going to bite me in the ass. So the real answer is to just make sure I'm there. for every step of the writing.

Definitely, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, like, I'm on the other side where I'm like, I mean, since fucking, like,

Helen Home, when we did that in like 2013, like, I, like, it's, you know, it's like well known,

and it's like a bit now and it's funny that like, I don't have shit going into the studio lyrically because I'm like, I approach it the same way as you, do where it's like, I'm not going to, like, if I get these demos, right, I'm not going to, like,

bust my ass and, like, try to write everything and make it fucking, like, fit. And, like, you know, okay, this is cool just to turn around. And then it's like, oh, we actually changed this part. Or like, you know, oh, this part that was like a breakdown now. Like, uh, we're doing that at the end of the song now. And then I just have to go back and, like, rewrite the entire song. And then I get pissed off. So like, I'm, and then that's exactly what I do. And then you get pissed off. off, you shut down and you're like, I don't give a fuck. I don't care. Yes.

That's what I do. And that's, yes. And that's no way to like, you know, like. Making friends. I mean, I'm like that. I'm like that with everything in my life. But when it comes to like the artistic side of things, it's like, okay, like, that's not a good place to be in when you're trying to like make a fucking record that will make people

continue to care about your band for two more years. So I'm like, I do the same. same thing, but like, even for me, like, I was, uh, I can't remember who I was talking to about this, but I was like, the recording shit, I'm like, I actually think, I actually think it was my therapist, which is, which is nice, you know what I mean? It's, it's worth the money. It's worth the fucking money. Um, but I was telling her, I'm like, yeah, like, recording fucking sucks.

I'm like, that shit, like, I don't get me wrong. Like, I like having the finished product and being like, cool. like I have I made this thing here it is like I help make it you know and people are like oh I love it you know like the song's fucking awesome whatever I like that much but for me it's like it's the fucking show like it's like the show for me that that I like that's what I gravitate towards to because like we were saying where it's like you know I like to fucking entertain and be like the funny guy up there like I get more joy out of like talk to the crowd between songs and making them laugh,

than I do writing lyrics and being like, oh, I have to make sure this is good. This has to be fucking awesome. You know, like, so I'm with you there. I think, yeah, I think we're both on that side of things where it's like the entertainment aspect of it is way more fun for both of us than, you know, physically doing shit and being like,

oh, you know, I tried to do the singing part, and I couldn't do it or, you know, I fucked up that fill or whatever. It's like, nah, you could, like, when we can do this and people laugh and people like us, it's like, fuck. Like, why can't I just be rich doing this? Yeah, see, that's, I get what you're talking about there from streaming and podcasting and the shit that actually pays me. So when I then have to go and be okay at something that takes so much work and then not to get paid as much for it,

that's what in my head has made a massive red light where I'm like, oh, it might be that I'm spoiled now or that I've just realized how much fucking work drummers do for quite often, not that we don't get paid, but it's like it's not proportionate to the amount of work. Like you're saying about the minute you started talking, not it's all about money, but when you started talking about making a record, So you definitely make more money on tour

as well as it being more more what I want to do Yeah rewarding more fun you know I feel like you know what else is fuck me as well What Tom's probably watching this like oh shit I'm not gonna quit He's gonna fucking quit Tom I swear to God No but this is the thing I always I joke about quitting

But what I've realized through all of this Is that if I make more money from doing stuff that's outside of the actual music. The problem is, the only reason people care about me outside of the music is because of the music. So now what's actually happened is it used to be that I would, when I didn't have a band, I would post, I would put a load of work into YouTube and Instagram and all that shit in order to advertise for free in order to get a band. And now it's got to the point where I feel like going on tour and stuff like that is actually

as well as an advertisement for the music, it's an advertisement for me making money when I get home. So I'm perfectly okay with it. I just really want to get a drum text so I don't have to do any work. Yeah, totally. Yeah, no, I, yeah, I'm with you there. I mean, for me, it's like, like my,

because I sing and shit, it's like, you know, I don't, I don't have to set stuff up and I don't have to worry about gear really. It's like, cool, my mic works. I'm fine. But like the other, I guess like when it comes to touring and shit, like for me, it was always like, if we don't have a tour manager, like, I'm doing that. And I'm not fun because I'm fucking, you know, I'm tour managing.

Or like, you know, even like fucking driving and shit. Like having to drive the van and stuff where it's like, oh, we have a fucking eight-hour drive overnight. Like, cool, I got to sit in the fucking van and just. like try and sleep standing up or sitting up whatever. Oh, in those new green vans as well. Yeah,

I mean, they're, I mean, that shit is, yeah, them and the fucking sprinters in Europe and the UK, I'm like this, you're not sleeping.

That's for sure. Like, I'd rather go in with no money and be on somewhere comfortable. Same. Same. And like, and like that's, that's kind of what I was getting at to where it's like,

now I'm at the point where I'm just like, okay, like, I'm not going to be making a lot of, money anyway. So like, why, I don't know, like, whatever. Like, if I got fucking bills and shit, it's like, they always, like, they, like, they work themselves out. You know, it's, there hasn't been a chance for, like, or sorry, there hasn't been a time where I've been like, oh, I'm fucked. Like, we need to make more money. It's like, it's always just fine. So it's like,

all right, like, yeah, I'm at the point now where it's like, okay, like, do you want to do this tour in a, in a bandwagon in the States? And, you know, know and make this much or do you want to do it in a van where everyone's driving and you make like you know this much more and I'm just like I'm picking the bandwagon every time because I'm just like I don't care I've never done it I'm desperate I've never done it and I'm desperate to the point where if we get a US tour and it doesn't have a bandwagon it has one of those green bands because I can't physically play the fucking drums if I've been sat even before I fucked my bag I was going to say yeah I mean like before and also now your your back is,

is fucking mangled. On that last run, it was completely fuck. But I think maybe it was more like sitting like this for nine hours on a flight and then tracking for five days and then going straight into music videos and straight into whatever with no form of like no time to stretch or whatever. But if I sit for the, for the fucking the drive from Salt Lake to wherever in a chair that can't fucking recline,

I physically cannot play the drums the next day. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, for me, it's like I can, like, like, I'll be fine vocal-wise, but it's still, it's just like, it's not like, you know, like you can't really compare the two, right? Where it's like fucking, like, yeah, I can fucking yell. Like, babies can yell.

It's fucking simple. It's not, it doesn't really take much. It doesn't, yeah, it doesn't take much talent. But it's like, you know, when you have, like, but you know I might be like tired and I might be in like a fucking miserable mood and like that'll affect me when I'm touring and also with like you know like with Kyle playing drums and shit it's like you can't have fucking you know like the like the drum stuff like it is like infinitely more physical than any singer you know like then anyone doing vocals because it's like cool I use what

like one hand maybe two like you know you got your whole fucking body going so it's like there are, there is a lot of that where like, you're, like, that shit actually does start to come into play. And, you know, I'm comparing it to when I was like, fucking, when I was like a kid and we like, I like, I just got out of high school and I was like, yeah, whatever I can fucking get strep throat and like sleep in someone's fucking kitchen next to a pile of dog shit. And like, I'm totally fine, like touring rocks, you know, but now it's just like, yeah, like I, I want to be comfortable. Like I want to be, you know, because at the end of the day, now it's like we're, we're like running businesses. And, you know, you have, like, it just has to, if I suffer and like I'm fucking miserable because I didn't get any sleep or I had to get up at two and fucking drive for 12 hours, it's like it starts to, you know, it starts to affect everything else.

And I don't know, it's, I think like you, like you said like diva earlier and it's. like I've told like Tom and Rich and fucking our booking agents and all this shit. I'm just like, yo, like I'm sorry, but like I'm not, I'm not like I'm going to be in like full blown diva mode coming out of COVID because this thing that I, that I worked for my entire life just went away like at the drop of a hat. So it's like, okay, cool. Like if I'm going to continue doing this, like I need to be comfortable. Yeah. It needs to be.

And even with money shit, like, dude, like we had the conversation with with Nook. Like, I think he books stray as well in Europe, right? Where it was just like, yeah, like we were getting dog shit offers for Europe. And I just said, like, I'm not going. Like, I won't go. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to go there for, you know, a full month and fucking be miserable and fucking, you know, sleep in a fucking sprinter van sitting up. and do all this bullshit for like just to get home and be like, okay, I can pay everybody like a couple hundred bucks.

I'm just like, no, I'll just stay home. I'll stay home now. Here's what's going to happen. I fully agree. Here's what's going to happen. There's a trigger warning. Stop listening if you don't want to be triggered by what I'm about to say. But this is 100% genuine.

If we do a full U.S. tour in one of those green van sprinters like they are now, one of the following two things will happen genuinely. Either I will leave the band and I'll say, look, I'm sorry guys, I just can't do this. Or I will kill myself halfway through the tour

so I don't have to sit in that fucking band. And I'm 100% serious about that. But five days of that was rough. And I just, I don't know if I'm a baby now because of COVID, like you said, but everyone sort of, I don't know if you were the,

same, but I had pre-COVID, stuff I'm thankful for from COVID. Pre-COVID, I always worried about what the fuck I was going to do after being in a band because obviously you can't be in a band forever and I'd worry, I'm going to be unemployed, I'm going to do fucking all this shit. And then it happened and I was like, actually, I'm probably better off. You know, obviously that needs the band to have been there in the first place. But then... Of course. Of course. So now it's like, I don't know. It's not even diva.

It's just like I've seen the other more comfortable world. Yep. And it's always there going, come back. Yeah. And that's from five days. We have to go back, Kate. That's it. Yeah, I was the exact same way.

So it's like for me, like counterparts has been touring since, like, since I graduated high school in like 2009, it was like. that was like the that was the limiter where it was like okay like we're fucked until we all graduate so we like we graduated high school we did our record and then since then i've been touring like minimum six months out of the year and just like doing that like just to you know because it's what i wanted to do and like at the end of the day too like i do love it and i like playing shows and shit like that's that's what is fun to me with the band um but you know with like with uh i remember when covid happened like i was in new jersey recording an end music video and that was when it was

starting to get like really bad and i was just like holy shit like this is fucking crazy um then i get home from that and i'm you know and everything starts shutting down and i'm just like yo like i'm fucked like how am i going to deal with this. And I didn't deal with it like very well. You know what I mean? Like it was, you know, like the first like four months of COVID, like I was a fucking wreck. Like I was like the lowest I've ever been because I've always associated like my self worth and my like happiness with how many people laughed when I made the joke on stage between songs and like, you know, how many people like listen to the new shit or whatever, you know, whatever it is. So that was a

always how, like that was always like a really big fear for me where I was like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do anything after music. I still am not like if by chance I land something cool job wise after doing the bands, it's like that's, you know, even that is like that's up to fucking, that's like I got a roll of four, five, six to get that. You know what I mean? Like there's, it's not, it's not very likely. But what would be cool? What would you, what would you love to do? Let's say COVID, let's say, and this isn't even that much of a hypothetical situation. Let's say COVID does not go away and therefore for the safety of mankind, touring stops. There's probably a 50% chance of that actually happening.

Yes. Dream job. I mean, there is. I would like to, it's like, it's tough. Like, I want to do like fucking comedy shit. Like, I want, you know what I mean? Like, that's my world, you know? like I am way better at making people laugh than I am at writing sad lyrics and making people

like begging people to give a shit about the bands that I'm in you know what I mean like I like I've always said you know give me a fucking like give me a guy with a fucking camera and some money to like make a fucking to make a show or something or like what would you do shit or do stand up or something which one though I would like I mean I would rather do a show you know what i mean like like when i saw i think you should leave i was like i was like i want to do this yeah like this is my shit where it's like okay cool like here's some money make make a fucking show make people laugh like that sort of shit i'm like that would be so sick to me like i like i can't think of anything better than that because like you know with the band and stuff it's like

I like the lyrics that I come up with, but it is still very stressful. And it's like, it's a, it's a process very much. Whereas like, you know, we can get on here and fuck around and like, I can make a joke. And you fucking, you know, you start dying laughing. And it's like, that's, that shit's like easy to me. Like my Twitter, the whole thing, the social media shit, it's like, that stuff comes naturally to me. So I'm like, even more so than lyrics and playing fucking screaming music.

so I'm like, yo, that's like that's up my alley. I would love to do that. I feel like I'm in the same boat. Not necessarily a show. I have a notes folder on my phone of sketches that I've written. But like I like doing the podcast just feels completely natural to me. And it's like this one. Like we're 47 minutes in.

The first like 15 minutes was I was just like talking about COVID didn't really have any. Sure. Sure. Any sort of cognitive flow. to it and then now we're like in the depths of it i'm like oh just let me do this every fucking day i'll do it every day i want you to do a video so it looked sick but you know this will do but not everyone has like a setup like you if if i like if i had to fucking if i had to write lyrics every day like if it came like in some fucking crazy world where it was like okay like you're the

fucking lyric guy your shit's cool write lyrics to a song every single day i'd be like i quit I'm done. I'm not doing this. It's way too much pressure. But like, you know, being like a fucking dip shit who's like kind of funny, it's like, that's me. You know what I mean? Like that's like, don't get me wrong.

I still like that I have the outlet, which is, or like two outlets, which is like both counterparts and in terms of lyrics where it's like, okay, cool, like I can take shitty things that have happened to me and sort of like, you know, put. them, I don't know, like, I guess like aim them at something moderately artistic. And it's like, cool, like, there's my shit. I like having that, but I've done it so much and I've been doing it for so long that now I'm just like, you know, like, I don't know, like, I just want to have fucking fun. And like, to me, it's like making people laugh is like, to me, making people crack up is more important to me than writing lyrics and like having people like the band.

It's like, I just want to make people laugh because then they laugh and then I laugh and it's like, cool, I'm not depressed for fucking 16 seconds. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, fantastic. Do you have this? I'm sure you do, because we're the same person. Do you have crippling fear of becoming unfunny? Like, yes, but not a. in terms of like a, like a long-term thing that's happening. You know what I mean? Like, I, I don't worry about like, oh, you know, like I, like, maybe in fucking five years, like I won't be the funny guy anymore. My shit is more so like current where it's like, I'll, you know, like I'll go and like look at my Twitter and just be like, man, like I haven't

had like a hit in a minute. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. I'm not making people laugh anymore like this is fucked up like maybe maybe i'm too depressed to be on fucking twitter that's literally what i'm talking about i'm specifically i didn't want to specify but like with twitter sometimes i'll do exactly the same thing i'll be like fuck maybe i just had a moment totally yeah now i'm not funny yep exactly yeah or it's like it's like maybe i'm too fucking like maybe i'm not funny but i just know how to like milk people's memory and shit where it's like you know if i tweet about fucking my space or something and it like blows up it's just like, okay, like, is it funny or was I just around for that?

Yeah, but that's a part of it, though. A part of comedy is finding which bit will hit. It's like finding almost what's on trend with people's brains and then connecting that to something else that's on either on trend or just an observation of that. And then you hit the right moment. That's why I love to it. My drafts are just filled. I just...

Oh, it's like, it's the best. I mean, my, like, my drafts are empty. Everything is just very, you know, like, all right, let's just, let's just fucking do it. But, yeah, I mean, like, I always find that, like, you know, I'm, I'm more of like a reactionary person, I guess. Like, if something happens and, like, something is really big and something is going on, that's when I noticed that I'm, like, fucking doing numbers on Twitter. And I'm like, you know, and it's like it's so fucking stupid. And I'm like making jokes that like other people have probably made. But it's like, you know, it is what it is.

But like that is sort of my my like bread and butter in terms of humor where it's like if, you know, if I'm sitting in my fucking gray COVID dungeon and you're like, make a joke, make me laugh. It's like, I can't. But, you know, if you like lob me the fucking, you know, if you pitch me the ball, I can hit a home run. You know what I mean? Like if there's something there, it's like, cool. I can build off of this

and like actually make something funny. So that's why I would prefer to do like, you know, in terms of comedy, like doing shit like like sketches or something like that because, you know, me doing stand up, it's like I don't think that would go well.

Because I'm so used to like counterparts shit where it's like, you know, if somebody like heckled me, it's like, oh, cool. I got like a. arrested for assault. Like I've dropkicked them.

You know what I mean? Or like I just had a fucking meltdown or something and it wasn't funny at all. But, you know, but it's a, I don't know. You never know. I mean, maybe we'll see. Like, maybe we can, you know, we got to pitch to Netflix. We got to tell them we're two funny boys. I'm so fed up with the music world.

I've got notes folder filled to the brim with sketches. And I, what happens is I forget. them and I go back to read them to just make sure they're funny and then they make me laugh my fucking assots. So I'm like, these are good. These need to come out. Totally. Yeah. That's, that's what we're doing everybody. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's what we do. That's, that's the, that's what we gained from, from this. How do we do this? How do we actually go about this? How would you even, how would you even do it? How did Tim Robinson get it? I, like, well, that, that's the thing is like, there's so much, like, so, like, like, so,

Like in the music world and shit, it's like we're both like well connected and we know the right people and everything. But like that world is so fucking different that I don't know like, you know, if if it was like, okay, cool, like, you know, you have to start like a new band and start over from the beginning and shit like that. Like I probably wouldn't want to do it because it's like it's a lot of work, you know? There's no way. Straight from the path is the last band that I ever do. Confirm. And I mean like, like I might do something like fun for me. You know what I mean?

But even then it's like counterparts, but like between counterparts and end, it's like both ends of my, you know, like the musical shit that like I'm good at where it's like, okay, like genre wise. It's like cool. It tickles both for me. I'm fucking good. That's fine. But, you know, like I don't think I could go back and deal with like. what I did when counterparts was coming up because it's like it was so like it was a grind and it was it was a fucking nightmare the shit sucked and like finally it worked so I'm just like okay

I can't like I can't go back and do that shit over again and I mean even with End it's like don't get me wrong like I'm you know I'm not oblivious to it like and had a boost in terms of who's in the band and like all this shit I get that I appreciate it you know but with even with that it's like end is a fucking it is a true side project for everybody where it's like nobody gives a shit if we make money nobody cares if you know no we're not trying to be the biggest band in the world uh you know even sonically it's like listen to it like we're not going to be that big but it's just something fun to do and i love that about it and that's why i can do it you know that's why I can

fucking we can do tours where it's like yeah we're getting paid dick but it doesn't matter because it's fun but to

if we're talking like real career shit like I don't know if I could go back to grinding and fucking you know going through all that

shit that we did how old are you 30? 30 yeah yeah not at that age I can't yeah like

I can't do it there's no way at 24 like sure whatever, that's fine. You know what I mean? But yeah, going back and starting over and doing all that bullshit again, it's just like, I don't think I can do it.

And, you know, so that that's why I've never tried to pursue anything in terms of like doing funny shit because it's like, well, you know, I've got my Twitter. It does well. I'll just do it all on there, you know, because. You don't want to come out the gate and it not pop off. And then you're like, oh, like, I feel like I would. like it in a weird way like just as a like I could do that and then never actually trying because what if I fail? Yes. Then that doesn't stay in my brain. That is my that's my mindset. That's my

mindset. That's been my mindset for the last like fucking 15 years where it's like I could do that. I could try really hard but I don't want to because if I do it and fail then I'm a loser and you know, that I'm just going to be miserable. And you know what's weird? What's weird about it? Because someone in the chat just said about TikTok. Now, your TikToks was so fucking funny, right? But they didn't smash like they fucking should have.

No. No, definitely not. But I think that's a, that's a like a platform age problem, not necessarily. because the shit was really, really fucking funny. But it's like sometimes if I put a tweet up that's like, I don't know, your audience on different apps is different

in terms of what's funny. Do you find that? It's so fucking weird. Oh, like 100%. TikTok is like very different comedy to Twitter. And some stuff that you would post on TikTok gets like fucking 10 likes on Twitter and vice versa.

and they fucking pop off. I feel like it's an age thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I think so. And I think that it's also like, I mean, like the apps themselves, like they are, they are different where it's like, I mean, in terms of. I mean, I, like, I've said this forever where it's like, okay, like, the reason why I use Twitter more than Instagram is because like Twitter, I had like, all I have to do is like think of something funny and tweet it. and I'm in the clear, like, I'm good, versus, like, you know, people with Instagram or TikTok or

something. And it's like, then you have to kick, you have to, like, add in this, like, visual element to it as well that I don't know shit about. And, like, I don't really like being on camera or, like, you know, that sort of shit. So it's like, like, it is very much different in terms of apps where it's like, you know, you can, like, like, a, like, a, fucking famous YouTuber or some shit could have a Twitter account and it's like it's like fucking whack and nobody gives a shit about it because they're just like this guy's

this isn't what I want from them this isn't what I've like come to expect out of this person versus you know but with me it's like the Twitter jokes and all that bullshit like that's my brand so that's kind of like the lane that I've stayed in and I you know I try

to branch out and like I've tried to do the TikTok thing and stuff but a lot of it it's like you know it's like yeah like why like why am i filming a video to make the same joke that i can make in fucking 10 words on twitter and then the sweet dopamine release of the retweets immediately exactly yes for sure compete with whoever's got a nicer camera i fully get it i've got like i've got a weird subsection of like people who are into my shit which is the people from youtube who like all of my youtube shit is essentially a character and not even me and

it's just like watching a drum video and being a bit of a like a bastard to everyone. But then there's, there's thousands of people on there that have no idea that I'm even in a band. And they'll leave comments like, why don't you try it? And just shit like that. And it's like, that's a different fucking world as well. So that, that is a world that I've never like even tried to tap into my entire life.

There's no money anymore. It's not worth doing. I can't like But I mean it's like It's I feel like I mean you know People aren't really like Making money on fucking Twitter

At all So it's like you know If you have Uh YouTube or TikTok or anything like that Like that's where the fucking money is and shit But with that comes You know

Like it's on you to be like Okay cool like well you know I have YouTube so I have that means I have to like Get like a nice camera and I have to like edit videos and like do all this bullshit and there's so much that comes with it and it's like I just don't think I have it in me to do that extra work for the extra money. That's the only reason that I ever started doing YouTube was because you can see by this camera looking quite nice and this will go up on YouTube because I just press record and

there's no editing. When I used to do YouTube like drum videos, any form of editing at all, my brain is gone. I cannot be bothered to do it. Now I can just press a button and record it. I was like, I might as well,

like I was doing the reaction shit on Twitch anyway. I was like, I might as well just put this on YouTube and then people like them. But I did one video where I got, I bought into it. I was like,

I could become a YouTube. I could make some serious money. I make about $300 a month. But I was like, I could make, which is good, but there's a lot, a lot of videos going up.

And I was like, you know what, I'll actually, I'll give it a minute and I'll put some hard work into this. And there's a lot of people asking for a studio rundown or whatever. And I did a fucking, I filmed a studio rundown, essentially gave away all more secrets for this one video. Sure. And all the editing required. And it made, I think, $8 in ad revenue. So I just deleted it. And I was like, I will never again put any effort into YouTube.

I'll put stuff up, like just go on to it. But unless someone's going to pay me to do it, then I'm not doing it. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, you know, even with like, even with the Twitch thing, too, it's like this, like, this isn't really something that I would ever be interested in, I guess, because it's like, you know, like it's, it's live. Like, like, there's a lot of, like, stress in that, I guess. But, you know, once.

You get stressed? I mean, like, not, not really in terms of. of like, oh, you know, like me, like I gotta go live, like I'm doing my shit, like hope it's good. It's like people have come to know what to expect out of me at this point, I think. Like I did stream yesterday. It was just like a classic Q&A. And the numbers and shit, when I compare them to anything that I did before, like, you know, even a couple months ago, it did better. So I'm just like, okay, like, this is cool.

And I think that people kind of get it. But at the same time, like, you know, even when talking to like Fred about like front page to shit like whatever like that sort of thing like you know like what can I stream on the channel it's like I have like my attention span and like my not like you know it's not that I don't care to do more but you know it's like I'm not gonna fucking I'm not gonna like rent a studio out and like do vocal covers and shit because it's just like people don't I don't think people want that for me it's like you know, what's the people want for me? It's like, I gave you the song. You'll see us live. I'll make you laugh there. I'm going to just do like Q&A shit

where it's like it's all interaction based because that's where I thrive. That's my shit. Let me flip this around for you. I'm going to turn this full circle. It's going to be like a fucking therapy session because someone who we both. Do I have to pay you 140 bucks when we're done or no?

Nope. Twitch will be doing that. Someone that we know and we both appreciate who used to make sketch comedy has retired from sketch comedy because of

how much fucking money they make on Twitch which is Limmy, right? Yes, exactly. Why don't you do more dumb fucking shit like he does?

Because I would watch the shit out. I don't watch your Q&A's because I don't give a fuck. No offense, but all of the... It was your favorite city to play.

You're not missing much. What's your favorite city? Do you like chain reaction? Is playing chain reaction? There you go. Favorite food on tour? Fuck off. We've all answered that.

But if you were doing like farm simulator and you had like a character or whatever, I could watch that for fucking hours. For sure. I mean, I like, so before like when, before like the, like we were doing like band Twitch shit, like I did have my personal one. So did Kyle. And like, like you've played with me. Like I'm not good at games.

Like I'm not, I'm not good at this stuff. But I, I feel like I, I, I kind of hit it pretty good on that, like I hit it on the head when I did, um,

you know, like, I don't seem too much anymore, but like, you know, when you'd be on fucking like, Instagram or some shit or whatever, and you'd see like a fucking ad for this game and it's like,

oh, like, you came home and saw your husband in the bath, like with another guy. Like, what do you do? And it's like the choose your own adventure fucking goosebumps shit.

Like when I did those, like people were watching and like it was funny because I could, you know, I could react to it in a sense. And I think that like that was like that was really fun, but, you know, also like. It's not to do a music so you can't do it on the counterparts channel. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean like, yeah, like definitely can't do it on the counterparts channel. But also like it's, you know, again, like, again, like, It kind of goes back to that, like, the work ethic aspect of it.

Surely you make decent money? I mean, it wasn't, like, it wasn't good, but it wasn't bad. Like, it was pretty much when I was doing my own Twitch shit before, it was enough to be like, okay, like, I've got money for, like, you know, fun shit or whatever, where it's like, oh, like, kind of want to fucking Uber eat some ice cream right now. And it's like, oh, yeah, I just got paid like a little bit from Twitch, so I'll just do that. How much is a little bit? How much is a little bit? Come on. Like a couple hundred dollars?

You doing my own thing? You didn't do it long enough then. That's how it starts. Mine didn't get like crazy good, but it was like maybe, there was a good run. I mean, it was middle of the pandemic, but there was a good run where I was making like a grand a month. Like mid, middle of, middle of the pandemic.

But there was people fucking around. Like now it's less. But they're split over the stray channel and all the other fucking shit or whatever. Of course. But like, man, if Limmy quit making sketch comedy, I want to see Brenny Big on Twitch.

I mean, I would fucking persevere. Yeah. I mean, like, I will watch his shit. Like whenever I get like a notification being like, oh,

like, and shit like every now and then i will watch it and i'm just like fuck like that's so sick you know what i mean like nothing it's he is getting paid to sit in front of his tv and just be fun yeah yeah and he's just like he's making jokes and shit and everything but you know like you know kind of like what you said earlier where it's like i think like you know where you came from before you got before you ended at twitch there's a lot to that um you know and like he was like he was like i I mean, let me show, like, fucking everybody in the UK knows let me show, right? It's like it was fucking huge.

So that absolutely helps. And even, you know, even me doing this or me doing, oh, Knox DeJabu, thanks for this stuff. Even, even me doing this shit, it's like, or, you know, the TikTok or fucking the Twitter shit or like whatever it is. Like, there's always going to be that bleed from people who are like counterparts fans, I guess. and I don't know I want to believe that that will be enough to kind of like carry it at the start but it worries me I guess

like if it isn't because I mean even you know even with these like with the streams let's say where it's like cool you know like I'm going to do a Q&A thing and I you know I go live I do it and then like after an hour if like I would plan to do shit for like three hours straight and then after an hour if I don't, if like the chat starts dying and, you know, people aren't really talking so much. I'm just like, all right, like, I'm good here.

Like, you guys are fucking boring. And then I'm just like, all right, thanks for everything. See, and I just end it. I kind of need the interaction, I guess. Yeah, but could you not get the interaction from some dumb fucking game? Like, that's what Limmy does. Maybe, yeah. The chat, you can't, you can't trust people.

You can only trust computers. I only trust the algorithm. I want to see it. I want, like, because I know personally, because I, I tasted, like, decent personal channel Twitch money at the beginning of this year. From January, I'm going fucking hard on my own channel.

I don't know what I'm going to do yet, but it's going to be shit like that. I'm going to try and set a fucking schedule. It's going to be very minimal drums because, again, get paid less for the drum streams because you can't actually, like, thank someone it's it's too much

it's too much work you know that that is that in itself is the exact reason why like and I mean like you know people have fucking people have suggested it and they're like oh like are you going to do like a vocal stream and stuff and I'm just like fuck no like no it's like I mean you know it's

obviously it's different for instruments and shit like that and like you know you guys that are actually like talented and like do shit or whatever but for me it's like, dude, like, I fucking, it's screaming. It doesn't, it's so easy. Like, it doesn't mean shit.

Also, it's the, not that it doesn't, but it's the lyrics that matter. Like, it's not the screaming. No offense, but it's not the screaming. And the lyrical content is what sets you. Obviously, you're good at screaming. But what are you going to do? Fucking stream you with a pen and a bad, like, stand. Like, I'm thinking about this.

It's like, oh, oh, you want me to fucking stream me at the studio writing lyrics? where it's like, like, you want to see some fucking sad shit. Like, watch that. Like, it'll be me, like, it'll be me in the fucking vocal room at Will's house, like just fucking head in the keyboard. I'm fucking going nuts, laying on my back, staring at the fan, being like, I'm done.

I've got nothing. I can't. I'm done. I'm a fucking fraud. I'm a fake. It's like, no one wants to see that shit, right? And the people who are like, no offense if you're in the chat, but all listening. or watching, but the people who are like interested in screaming technique,

you don't really want to be, you don't want to be mates for them, do you really? But I, no one cares, man. So do you do fry or inward? I don't know what the fuck that is, but. Dude, people, like, people will straight up ask me that and I'm just like, I don't know. I don't have an answer for you. I started screaming when I was playing guitar and then I heard like, you know, doing my thing. I heard Slipknot.

I was like, hey, this screaming shit's kind of cool. I bought a fucking $19 mic from Radio Shack. I plugged it into my guitar amp. And then I would just like scream along to songs. And it's like, I don't know what I'm doing. I haven't had like formal training and shit. I don't know if I'm doing fucking fry or false cord. Hey, hey, ho.

Literally. Ha, like the one that all of the vocalists do backstage. My, my, ma, ma, me, me, more, more. I mean, dude, like, we've toured together so many times. It's like, you know, people are like, yeah, what's your vocal warm-up technique? And it's like, you've seen it. It's what, I fucking drink from the Jamison bottle and I put my little fucking shorts on and then I go, oh, crap, we got to go.

And then I run on stage and we play. It's like. Same with fucking Sam Carter. Oh, well. What's, and Drew, what's the warm-up, gin and tonics? Yeah, the three best voices that I know as well. And they don't go. It's bra-pra-pra-pra.

I'm not saying that those things don't have a place. Like if you're, you guys have just got lucky that the way you naturally scream doesn't completely fuck you. And some other people who have, they probably need the bra-pra, bra-brot-brot-n-ya-n-n-ya-ni-ni-ri-pip-pi. Give me that a-a-ma-mama. That shit. It's like,

Also, like, I mean, like, there was a period of time or like, like years and years ago where I fucking, I did, like, it was right when like the Zenith screaming shit came out and like, they had the fucking, the, like the warm up stuff and all that's, like all that shit. And I was like, okay, like, let's try it.

And then I was doing it for a while. And I was like, yeah, I think I feel like, I think I sound better. I think I feel more confident. And then one day we played a show on the same tour where I was like just doing shit. I think it was like fixing the van. And I showed up right in time for the set. Didn't have time to warm up.

Just went and did it. Like walked out of the van on stage, pick my mic up, did it. Sounded the exact fucking same. And then I was like, wait a minute. That's odd. And then I'm like, I'll try it again tomorrow. And it was just like, yep, still sound good. And then, you know, after doing that, it's like, why am I going?

going to do more, why am I going to do like more work with this thing that is just supposed to be fun? It's always just supposed to be fun, you know? I feel like. Sorry, Carol. No, I, like, that's, that was the end of it. I'm just saying, I'm like, I, like, I love you guys so much, but like, I don't need to warm up to give you, you, you know, a decent show. It's like, it's, it's fine. I'm not doing anything fucking crazy.

if I was singing and fucking, you know, doing all this other shit, I would be like, okay, cool, I should maybe try. But like with, you know, it's not that I don't try, but it's like, I sound better live than I do on fucking record. So it's like, well, whatever. Like, I'm good. It's, it's screaming. It's easy.

On the contrary, though, I am fucking awful at the drums if I don't warm up. And so I'm not disrespecting anyone that needs to warm up vocals. but it is funny. Like I'm tapping and that, that's kind of sounds like drums, but to, to warm up for vocally, for screaming,

going, in the other room, like, dude, it's like fucking like going, like going after the set's done. It's like, I go into the bathroom and I'm like,

oh, like I just killed two water bottles on stage. I got to pee. And then going into the bathroom and there's just like some singer guy going like, meet, me take hey in the fucking thing i'm like okay sorry man like sorry i interrupt like i have to they always do it they always do it in the bathroom because it sounds better don't they because

they're it's always in the bathroom ha it's here here ho ho it's truly an embarrassment thing at least it was for me oh like that one that one tour when i was doing warm-ups i was like i can't let anybody fucking hear what i'm doing right now i'm going to the van in the park lot where no one is and I'll do it there because if I don't know for whatever reason I was like if somebody hears me going fucking we we like doing that shit I'm like yeah it's it's fucking embarrassing I'm like I'm not you know I know so many people who it has genuinely helped that it's the Melissa cross isn't it last while she sleeps he had like fucking voice box shit and whatever and she has legitimately helped so we are not you know completely shit I'm

on this, but I'm not, I'm not discrediting her at all. And I mean, even like, I kind of talked about this on my stream yesterday where like, Garrett from Silent Planet was like, he like, he's a no one. Loves him. The guy had a fucking, he had a fucking x-ray of his vocal cords. And he's just like, you see these? And he's like circling them. It's like a legitimate x-ray. And I'm just like, I haven't done any of the shit. And then he like looked at me and he's just like, this is, like what I'm about to say isn't supposed to be offensive. And I don't want you to take it as an insult, but like, I can't believe you can sound the way you do and also treat your body as bad as you do. And I'm just like, I don't know, I'm, I'm gifted, baby. I don't know what to tell you.

You drew, Sam, gigantic pieces of shit. No warming up, sound incredible. Garrett, other than his no shoes, very healthy. And laws, gigantic piece of shit as well in the nicest possible way. I don't know There's no rhyme or reason to it But the only reason we're laughing about it So much before anyone asks Melissa Cross They were making fun of you I've met her before

She's lovely and she's helped loads of my friends So But it's the equivalent of like If you were really good at being an accountant But for some reason Before you logged in to fucking sage or whatever You had to do this Like bucks

You had to go So I'm just warming up to do books. It's the equivalent of that. That's how fucking mentally is. I'm just warm up to do the books. It's so fucking funny. For anyone who's listening to the audio one, I put two teacups around my face and started hitting myself in the face for them. It's, uh,

quite hard. I mean, and I mean, also, also the other thing, too, is like with, um, with her, like, do you think if, if, if I was sitting, in a room in my gray COVID dungeons and she fucking walked in, she burst through my door and says, okay, first things first, you're not contagious. You're not contagious anymore. So you're fine. Do you want free vocal lessons? I'm not going to be like, no. It's like, yeah, 100%, but it's like, but, you know, I don't have the fucking money to go and do that stuff. You know, I'm like, no. Like, if I, if I had the money for that shit, I would have done that forever ago,

but I don't. So I'm just like, whatever, you know? It's like, I respect. You don't have a problem. There's no problem.

You don't. That's true, yeah. I've never lost my voice on tour. I've never, you know, like, I mean,

I will say like when it comes to singing, singing, like there's sometimes I fucking blow it, but it's just like, that's not my shit. Like, that's not where my practice lies, you know,

like I'm, the screaming stuff, it's like I can do it fucking every night. It's fine. Like, we played shows right, the fries and the dirties. Exactly. The cleans, the harsh,

the cleans are, there's a difficult, the harsh, the fries, the dirties. Yeah, what, there's one more fucking dumb word that gent kids use.

Yeah. Unclean. Gross. Unclean. Unclean vocals. Unclean vocals. to be washed. Just just call it what it is.

It's fucking, it's screaming. Screaming and then singing. That's all it is. It's hollering. It's fucking. Imagine if they were just called holler box. Yeah, my hollers, I do inward hollers. That makes it sound like you're going to go.

Yeah, you know, that architect's record, holler crown. Yee ha. That's an inward holler. What about your pigs? How are your pigs? Your pigs any good? Fantastic. But are they actually?

It gives a little pig. Can you give me a little pig? I'm like, I can't. I mean, I can't do it now. I gotta have the, it has to be like the regular mic. It's got to make that feedback shit. I can pig on anything. I've never tried.

There we go. Oh, that's pretty fucking. Yeah. Yeah. So we can. Wicken the cannab. that sounded like um the aliens in oh that's that's about all i got that sounded that sounded yeah that sounded like a whale song you want to do slam shit or what fuck yeah

fuck the sketch show let's just let's just start a slam band that's where the money is if you can get that that is if you can get signed to uh what the fuck is that's that label there's actually some good bands on it. What the fuck is it called? There's a label now. Most of the bands have a logo that looks like the downbeat logo. And then they go...

Blat, black, black. No, it's got more of a fucking slam name. What is it? It's called like fucking... What's the fucking label? ...reation or something records. Something for... Unique leader, that's the one.

Doesn't even have... Holy shit. Unique leader, yeah. they're the ones with the blah, blah, blah, blah. I thought you were talking about the, what's the, there's like a fucking label. It's not really like slam shit,

but there's a label based out of Ontario that has like full of hell and all. I think it's, what's like profound lore, I think is the name of it. Profound law is pretty legit. We've got some legit shit on them. Yeah.

Yeah, they're more on the legit side. They're on the black metal side. Yeah. They're less, they're less piggy, for sure. I had a, they're the sort of label I had a friend.

that released a tape on profound law was only available on tape. Yep. Sick. I've got a thing where I think metal core is bullshit. Sure. But then I also think someone that releases white noise on a tape-only release is sick as fuck. So I'm fully aware that I'm wrong. Yeah.

I mean, I'll tell you this. They're, you know, not to, not to. But I respect it. Me coming from a, from a nonpartisan side, they're both bullshit. They're both bad. Like metalcore's bad, the fucking weird blackmailish. It's all just fucking dog ass at this point. But, you know.

If you're at, this is a thing, this is a new thing for the downbeat that I decided that I'm going to do. you're at Christmas dinner the eagle eyes listeners will realize that this is the new section you're at Christmas dinner which is mere days away with a new I'm sorry to say fictional

squeeze and you're at you're at dinner with their family gender neutral there because I don't know don't know how you swing Brendan

right you're at you're at dinner and their grandma says oh you're in a band what kind of music is it uh i kind of i kind of um that you're talking to the nan here not to me don't this is we're now in a role play situation sorry i'm glad to have you here um hope i don't give you what i got But, you fucker. I would probably say it's like rock stuff. Oh, like the food fighters.

I go by age. Like the food fighters. She's 90, but she says like the food fighters, curveball. If she looked at me and said, does your band sound like the foo fighters? I would look at her in her eyes and say 100%. That is exactly what we sound like. Okay. So then the dad knows.

Slightly more. Dad's a little bit younger. And he says, so is it like Metallica? I would say more like Slipknot. And he goes, oh, so it's pretty hardcore. And I would go, you bet your sweet bippy brother. Merry Christmas. Okay.

So the, now the step brother, not in a porn hub sense, a standard stepbrother, a standard stepbrother, which the internet will tell you doesn't exist anymore, but they do. A stepbrother that we don't want to kiss. Yeah. He says, so is it, so what kind of metal is it?

And then what are you going to say? Metal core. Metal core. And then he says, like architects. And I would say, so now you know stepbrother, as well as being very sexy, he's schooled on.

At the very least, he's up to architects. And I'm looking, and the thing is, I'm looking at him. And, you know, I'm nervous because he's so cute. And I'm just like, fuck, man. Like, I really want to impress this guy. If I got a vibe from him that he knew what he was talking about, I would be like, we, yeah, we kind of do like the poison the well, misery signal, Shai Hulud thing.

If I got a vibe that he didn't know what he was talking about. about, I would go, we sound like the ghost inside. Nice. I think I got, I think I got what I wanted there. I don't really know what I wanted. It was just a bit fun. We all had fun, didn't we? That was good. Because if he knows architects, surely he knows his counterparts. Fucking moron. What's his name? Greg? What's his name? I made him up. What's his name? Hey, Brennan, can you fucking, can you give a name to this man that I, that I, I drafted up through pure imagination. His name is generic stepbrough number three.

And I would say, yeah, just just like architects. Exactly. Just like architects. Yeah. But then in reality, you don't. No. God, no. But it's both, I'm trying to understand metalcore here.

Maybe I am the stepbrother. I mean, fuck, I would love that. That would fucking fantastic for me. I'm trying to. Yeah, imagine. that. I'm trying, I'm on a constant quest of trying to realize

like Metalcore is now too broad a genre. It is for sure. Yeah. Because I say that I hate Metalcore, but I actually don't. There's stuff in Metalcore that I like. What I hate is the architects clones. That's the only ones I don't like.

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That shit, like, like, I mean, like I had a conversation with somebody the other day about this where it was like metalcore, like the word metalcore, like, depending on who you talk to, they're either going to get it right, right off the bat and be like, I understand or they're going to go or like they, I mean, there's always a chance that they just will have no fucking clue what you're talking about. but other people like for a while um and this is what i was talking about with my friend was like the 2000 like tens-ish era like metalcore was like that having that describe your music was almost to be seen as like an insults when it was like when you know when metalcore kind of like stop being like the shit that I was really into like you're fucking you know you're like you're your your metal with hardcore influences like the fuck by definition shit and it got replaced by like you know the fucking the fucking skinny gene rip guys with the fuck you know like that that stuff

and it was like that sort of became because like uh like I said this before but like counterparts It's like we kind of had an issue earlier on in the career sort of like trying to define what our band was where it was like, okay, like mindset wise, we're a hardcore band. Like we're fucking, we're very like DIY. There's no fucking smoke and mirrors. We just get up. We play. We do our shit. But we're a little bit more melodic. We're a little bit more technical. But like that doesn't matter. Right. And then those like the hardcore kids were like, oh, no, absolutely not. Like you're not hardcore whatsoever. So I was like, okay, like, what else is there? And then I look on the metalcore side of things. And at that time, it was your like, you know, like two singers and fucking synth player. There's seven people in this band type shit. And, you know, everything's fake and there's backing tracks and there's fucking auto tune live and like all this bullshit.

And I'm just like, well, we absolutely don't fit into that. Like that is like the furthest thing from what we are. that like the hardcore left because that's the furthest thing from hardcore as well but then it stayed being called metalcore i think it was just the bit that people took from metalcore was the breakdown and then it became anything with breakdowns was metalcore yes i i agree yeah yeah where i was like like depending on who you talk to it's like like if you have like a normie or whatever or like maybe not a normie but like somebody that's like sort of like less invested in this world as I am, let's say.

Step brothers one through two. Yes, sure. Their definition of metalcore might be like, you know, like your kill switch engage, your fucking like that type of shit, like the big stage stuff. Like who's another big one back then like fucking like bullet from my Valentine? Like that, that sort of shit. But then, you know, when somebody asked me about like, you know, your favorite metal core records, It's like I'm talking about like poison the well and misery signals and fucking, you know, uh, disembodied and fucking, you know, like that, like that type of shit where it's like, you know, truly metal, but you have, or sorry, like you have like the hardcore elements,

but then there's just like breakdowns and shit too, you know? Like, but it's, I don't know, like it, it, like for a while, like we didn't want to be associated with metalcore because of our like, I guess like the like the connotation that came with that word with, you know, your fucking Samarian bands like minus like straight from the path and stick to your guns and all that shit where it was just like, yeah, you know, like,

oh, like their MacBook's dead so they can't play the show. Oops. And I'm like, yo, that's not us like at all. So I guess we're on the hardcore side. Did you, did you call yourself hardcore for a while? I guess melodic metal core. we did and then like originally it was like melodic hardcore stuff and then you have like the

fucking the genre purists that are like well a melodic hardcore is fucking uh like what's the fucking what's the goddamn fucking band somebody helped me in the chat they have the record jersey's best dancers what the fuck is that i have to look it up because this is going to fucking kill me i'm too busy looking at the chat saying uh he's pantera numerical life? Lifetime. Lifetime. That was it. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas so like we we thought because we were like, all right, like yeah,

we're trying to do that like melodic shit like elude, Ms. Sigs, poison the well, and then to like a like from a later or I guess like at the time more like more recent like iteration of that would be your band's like fucking like the carrier and fucking like modern life is war, lifelong tragedy, go it alone, sinking ships, like that sort of shit,

where it was like it was hardcore, but it was still very melodic. And, you know, but then we started calling ourselves melodic hardcore. And then you had the fucking, the old asses being like, you don't sound like lifetime to me. And I'm just like, okay, buddy, like go pay your fucking retirement. Right. You know what I mean? It's like, go, go pay into your fucking R.RSP. Like, I don't know what you want for me.

I'm a 16 year old kid. Um, but so, you know, after a little while, I was just like, you know what? Like, we're a fucking metalcore band. Like to me, we've always been metalcore. It's like metalcore by definition is metal and hardcore. So it's like that's where we, that's where we're at. And I kind of just like accepted that we were going to get lumped in with, you know, fucking gent bands and your fucking, you know, the, the fucking.

the emo swoop bands and the fucking bands that have like EDM like euro fucking parts in their shit and I'm just like whatever you know what like who are back now by the way we're old enough for them to be back great can't I didn't know that but like fan fucking tastic so cool getting old you see the revolutions it's like oh for sure I think if I have any advice to younger people it's keep absolutely everything that you own because in 20 years it's going to be worth of loads of money. If I still had the fucking t-shirts

that I had 20 years ago. Oh my God in heaven, dude. Don't even start. I'm now buying back t-shirts I owned for 10 times the price I paid. Dude, like, going back and being like, well, I mean, to be fair,

all of my older merch shit used to be, like, you know, when I was in like high school and stuff, it was like tight shirts were the shit. So it was like I was buying fucking smalls and everything. And now I'm like, you know,

I'm like, youth large for sure. It's like, dude, like do you think for a second if like the youth large shirt that I bought at the first to last show was actually in Excel? I wouldn't wear it right now. Like it would,

I would be wearing it right now. Fucking I like I find like I would find shit in my closet and it's like, oh cool. Like look at this like fucking. shirt from one of their last shows and it's like, all right, like, it's a small, like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with that now as a 30-year-old man? You know what I was crazy though? Like back then, the shirts that I wanted in a small or a eu flage I couldn't get and I could

only get them in Excel, which I didn't want. And then now it's vice versa. I mean, I don't want the small ones, but I wish I could go back and be like, hey, man, like, I know you're going to look a little goofy. you're fucking, you know, you're 19, you weigh like 150 pounds, like just buy the X-L. Put it away. Buy two. It's way cooler.

Buy two. Keep one. Don't ever wear it. And then, you know. I want someone to make that meme where it says girls with a time machine. And it's like, this man's going to blow up a school and then boys with a time machine. But then the boys with the time machine is you should buy that shirt in Excel. And just somebody, somebody please make that, please.

You should buy that. shirt in Excel and wash it a hundred times. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, even like, yeah, like me buying back shit that I had and it's just like, it feels so wrong, but I'm just like, that's my shit, you know? It's like the other day I paid for like a fucking, uh, poison the well, like tear from the red era shirt. And I'm just like, to be fair, like Andrew Mack found it.

So like he didn't charge me a shitload of money, but he found it at like a thrift store. But even then, I'm just like, God damn it, like back then when that shit was out, like I could have paid fucking, what, $10 for this shirt? I have one. I have a tear from the red. Which one you got? Just the red, just literally the red poison the well on the front. And I think like a downwards fucking Derek Hess or some bullshit going downwards on it. But Zach Power, you know, Zach Power gave it to me.

Yes. But it's a fucking medium. Yeah. Zach, uh, Zach also gave me a, he gave me, uh,

an 18 Visions T-shirt. Not like one of the last times we hung out pre-COVID. And it's again, yeah, like it's a medium. So I'm just like, either I have to like, I have to like shrink.

Sorry? You need to literally shrink. I, I look ridiculous in a medium, right? Yeah, a tight shirt on me is like fucking laughable. It's not going to happen. Like I would rather, and like I can fit into a medium and like a large and shit,

but it's like I would rather, I would sooner wear a 2X than a fucking medium, even if it was like complimentary and like form fitting and, you know, made me look really nice. Like I'd rather get in that 2X for sure. I feel like a medium for me. It doesn't matter what if I'm wearing a hat or what my hair is. is styled like, I put a medium on it immediately becomes a foe hawk. Even though I could be wearing a hat,

but a foe hawk will just appear. But could you be wearing a combat hat? Because then... Also, then it was... The sound guy hat. Yes. Well, not that one. No, don't ever... Don't ever fucking... Don't ever wear that.

But like a combat hat, like, you would look... You would look like you were moshing at a fucking... at a show in 2008, and you accidentally accidentally tripped and fell into a time machine and ended up in 2021. Accidentally tripped and fell. Fucking put that time machine at the side of the mosh. Who would put that there?

Who would do that? I see that big jeans are coming back, though, and the generation below us. Oh, dude, I can't. Jimco's baby. Dude, I'm, I'm fucking, I'm short. Like, I can't fucking do that. I don't even think I did them at a time. Maybe I did.

I even even in my most like even in my bagiest wear I don't think I ever got that big like it's like it's fucking laughable dude like I look like a fucking toddler I'm 5 8 so it's like don't get me wrong like I mean I'm not wearing like skin tight shit but like you know when I see like a fucking

like somebody who's like good looking and shit and they're like fucking six feet tall and they're like, yeah, baggy jeans are back. I'm like, for you, for you, 100%. Not for me. I can't fucking wear that shit. Are you kidding me? What's your sweatpants move?

I'm in a real, I'm going to love, hate sweatpants situation. This is going to be shocking. I don't own a pair of sweatpants. What are you wear when you're lounging? My shorts. My little guys. Are you not cold?

Oh, yeah, all the time. I could, yeah, I couldn't do this, this, this place is too cold for that. I mean, I do live in Canada. Just constant shorts. You're in shorts constantly. I've never realized this, but you are. In, in the house, I'm wearing my little fucking shorts, for sure. I just don't own sweatpants.

I will say, I forgot to tell you, the other day, Adrian got, or Adrian, we were talking about this, and he was like, I have a pair of down. beat sweatpants that you can try on. They're small. And I put them on and it's like they fit in the waist and like everything's all good, but they're just so long on me that it's like, it looks like I'm wearing diapers around both things. What color were they?

Gray. They were the gray guys. Yeah, see, I can't find that blank again. I quite like that blank. Adrian bought sweatpants. Why are my friends buying shit? I appreciate it. Dude, he's bought, he's bought so much shit.

Like, be of the, like the, coasters on our fucking living room table. They're downbeat coasters. Yeah. Yeah. Hang on. You said you got the coasters, we didn't get the glasses. We didn't get the glasses. I got you on the glasses. We'll sort it out after this, because they're back. Yeah. The glasses are back.

Let's go. Fuck yeah. But yeah, we, I'm drinking out of this fucking hideous thing. Like, what the fuck? I mean, that's quite noise. I'm about to go and get, I'm going to get a whiskey and a beer. I've been drinking my way through this COVID. Hot toddies. You ever make a hot

toddy. Yep. Fucking love. They've been... Fantastic. I don't think that's what's got no symptoms. The new vaccination. I feel like

the sheer volume of alcohol that I've drank and drunk, whatever past tense, drunken drunk, I'm drinking, I'm Brendan, drinking. I'm evil. I'm in my fucking COVID layer. Whatever it is. I think that's kind of elevating my mental health in a sense

because like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm sure you're not supposed to drink with COVID, but I'm fucking bored. I got nothing. I got nothing to do. Like, what am I supposed to do, right? Listen, it might shock you, but I'm not a doctor. But alcohol is a blood thin.

and they give COVID can give you blood clots so might as well thin the shit out you know what I mean like I'm fucking shit out we're being proactive here also when my back my back

fucked up on tour like I had a couple of spasms and I googled it because I didn't have my meds and the internet said if you're in a pinch and you don't have your med stand a few stiff drinks could do the same job muscle relaxing.

I was like, come on, as if I needed any more excuse to be in love. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not,

like, I'm not, like, I'm not the person that you want to tell that to. Like, you don't want to tell me, like, drinking will,

like, will make things positive. You know what I mean? It's like, that's, I don't think I want to tell anyone that, but, yeah,

I don't, I don't, I don't need to hear that. But, that being said, I mean, you know, dude,

I got, I got my fucking, I got my COVID shot. And when I went for my first one, they, like, I got it in my arm. And I was just like, yeah, like, you know, what's the deal with this? Like, you know, should I not drink? Like, should I fucking, I'm like, I was supposed to work out today. Like, am I good?

And she's like, you can literally leave here, drive home immediately, work out and get fucking plastered. And you'll be fine. And I'm like, well, you're a nurse. I'm doing that. And I'm a regular guy. so I went home and did exactly that didn't have a fucking side effect

nothing like the working out my arm hurt a little bit but I was like okay like you know it's like is is this because of the shot or is it because I'm a fucking weak loser and I was trying to do overhead press like what is it you know the working out afterwards

helps with the with the sore arm thing I've never had a sore arm from any kind of Yeah. Whether or not I'm doing, you know, heroin or no, not that. But, you know what I mean? Any kind of vaccine that I've had. Yeah. I always work out afterwards and never had the dreaded sore arm.

I don't want to fucking end on vaccine and start on vaccine. What are we going to end on? What are you going to end on? You got anything? I got nothing. Nice. What are you going to do with the rest of the rest? I'm fucking hammered.

What do you mean what I'm going to do with the rest of that? What time is? Is it? It's fucking 150 p.m. What are you going to do when you run out of that, J-Mo? Ask my parents to drop another one off, probably. Nice. No intervention from that?

When did they drop the first? Oh, you got it in duty-free? Yeah, yeah. So, like, I, so I've got the one that I grabbed the duty-free on the way back. But, I mean, like, they would do it. I'm sure they would do it. My mom calls me every fucking morning being like, How and like understandably because like her fucking her 30 year old loser son with asthma is also has COVID.

So it's like, you know what I mean? Like I get it. Don't get me wrong. But she calls me every morning and she's just like, are you good? Someone godly hour. Like we're talking like fucking like eight in the morning. And I'm just like, yo, like what fucking world do you live in where you think I see 8 p.m. Like you're for, sorry, 8.m.

It's like you're nuts. but she'll call me and just be like, you know, what do you need? Like my, like your dad, like we can, we can drop shit off. It's totally fine. And I'm just like, I don't need anything. Like, I keep trying to tell her, like, I'm fucking fine. Don't worry about me. But they've offered.

So, you know, I could, I could bug them, I guess. But I don't really like, you know, it's not like I need it. But I am fucking bored. Yeah, in isolation. I mean, I've given myself a sort of, I'll wait until 7pm and then I'll get on it. Yeah. I haven't done that. But I'm also very good at being like, when I run out, that's it for a while.

Actually, I don't have, I think mine. Sorry, I'm tired. Mine's come from, I don't have an off button for any kind of substances. If they are in the house. They will be taken. So, yes, yeah,

totally. With drinking, if I start it later, then it gets to bedtime and I'm like, okay, I'm going to go to bed. But if I started earlier, then it will continue until there is no drink left.

And then that's how that becomes a whole thing. Yep. That is like, that's exactly what I've been talking to with my therapist recently, where, what do we got here? Voms, chatting

I don't know thanks Voms appreciate it thanks for the sub thanks for my fucking podcast that's what I've been that's what I've been like

talking to with my therapist and shit where she's like I don't think you have a problem in terms of like you need it but she's like I think you're so fucking bored that if it's there you'll do it

and like you need to get a hobby and I'm like I've needed a hobby a hobby for the last like 15 fucking years. I don't do shit. I'm like my hobby is like playing shows and writing music and fucking, you know, performing and whatever.

And I can't do any of that right now. So I'm kind of just limited to like what I have in my close, like within close proximity. So, but yeah, I mean, she, you know, my thing is just like, I'm, I'm totally open with her and shit. and like I tell her what's going on with me and she's like, you're fine, just like, you know, pick up a fucking hobby, just figure it out. Yeah, what are you going to pick up?

Got another hobby? I ain't got one and I cannot bring myself to have another hobby. I haven't got the concentration. I don't like anything. That's the thing. It's like I don't give a shit. You know what I mean?

I'm like video games. I try so hard to like them because I see everyone else waste their life. And I'm like, I could waste some life here. Don't enjoy it. The like the closest thing I have to that is like playing magic where I'm like on the computer where I'm like, okay, like this is fun and I'll do this. But, you know, other than that, I'm just like nothing else like nothing else is like can like get my attention and like make me give a shit. It's like what am I going to do?

Like fucking oh, I'm going to take up drawing. It's like no. Like I'm going to be bad. I'm going to try it for two days. I'm going to suck shit out of a fucking toilet and then I'm going to quit. And then also like what's the end? I feel like I, I feel like I can't enjoy anything unless there is a end goal to it.

Like if I started drawing, what's the end goal? Oh, am I going to be a tattoo artist? I'm too fucking old. Like to learn. Yeah. I'm not going to fucking, am I going to, you know, be in a room with fucking plastic wrap on the floor and fucking make a, you know, I'm going to fucking make a, you know, make a, you know,

make some piece and sell it for $3,000. It's like, no, it's going to be fucking dog shit. Nobody, nobody that knows who I am, whatever, take that seriously. Like, hey, guys, I made art and, like, I'm proud of it and I want you to pay for it. Everybody would be like, this is a bit. This is for sure a bit. He's fucking with me. I'm not giving him any money, but it's funny, you know?

The only thing that I can, the only thing I want to take back up as a hobby, but I haven't found the time to actually do it is painting games. Warhammer. Yeah. There you go. But I'm like, it's so expensive. I don't want to buy all this shit. And then I get it.

I'm like, oh, guess what? I don't have the concentration for this either. Yep. Yeah. And also, I mean, like, like you mentioned, like concentration shit. So it's like, I mean, I'm still on my, like, right before we did the tour, I upped my ADD meds to like the maximum dose.

So it's like, my, like, my brain is like, my brain's firing and shit and like I'm good to go and like I want to do things but at the same time I just can't bring myself to do shit because I'm like I'm not going to start something unless there needs to be a finish line for me that I can cross and throw my arms up and fucking run through the tape and you know why that you know why you have that and why I probably have that it because we have had a lifetime of chasing dopamine that now that's that you know that has become the end goal must be, well, I have to complete this and you can't enjoy the journey. And there's like a hundred percent.

That's like like when I was talking to my therapist before I up my dose, she was the one that mentioned like, she's like, okay, like you've mentioned that your previous vivance dosage is like not working as well. So I think that you're like, you're trying to offset your like your lack of dopamine by like, you know, you're not getting it from the, from the meds anymore. So you're looking for it in other ways, like in terms of, you know, like drinking and, you know, like getting fucked up food, like whatever it may be. She's like, that's like, that's how you're looking for it. So like, up your shit, up your dose, get back to a like to like a normal base level to where you're not

constantly looking to for that like dopamine flush and shit. And I'm just like, yeah, this makes perfect sense because that was like around the time I noticed my meds weren't working as well is when I was like, yeah, I'm just going to like drink all the time because like who fucking gives a shit. And it's like that's they like they go hand in hand. You know, for people with with AED and shit, like we can't make our own dopamine. Like our brains just like don't fucking work. So it's like, how do I get it? Well, if I drink or if I do this or that, like that's kind of how I get it. And it's like, okay yeah I mean I should

I should try that quite literally sex drugs rock and roll like that's my holy Trinity baby yo that's my fucking cross drugs

rock and roll fuck and actually loads and loads and loads of coffee speaking of drugs I need to go and drink alcohol now so I'm gonna go be safe

that was nice That was a nice impromptu, lovely. I think we, you know, in the middle, there was some excellent content that surrounded by filler. Anything that wasn't COVID-related was good, you know. I mean, even, but that being said, even with the COVID shit,

there was some laughs to be had, so I'm glad that I got to be a part of it. I had a lovely time. I'll probably use this as a fucking podcast, and we'll do a bunch of shit. I hope you enjoy your isolation. I hope everyone in the chat enjoyed it. Same to you.

Same to you. Really quick. Am I the most frequent guest on... This will be... You will be the first person to do in episode three. Let's go. This is it. And if you haven't listened to the other ones,

the second one, the first one's mainly jokes. The second one's mainly mental health. And this one's sort of a bit of everything. It's a trilogy. If you made a trilogy. you? If you, I mean, it's essentially the new lethal weapon, but if you go back and listen to, if you go back and listen to all of them, you can sort of like, you can watch both Craig and I

start to spiral and there's something really nice about that. So I think, I think you will be able to hear that, although I think maybe the first one, I might have been the most depressed I've ever been in my life. So look out for that, little Easter egg there. Yeah. First one was you. Second one was me. Yep. And this one, we're both sitting at the bottom rung of the ladder and we're like, God damn it, dude, just fucking. I love it. I'm about to let go.

There's the, I rarely do an episode where afterwards I'm like, that was definitely good. Usually I'm like, I wonder if that was good. I wonder if I'll put it up. It's like it's you, it's you and me. Like it's not going to be bad. like the sketch show that we need to do. Let's do it. Okay. I love you. I love everyone in the chat.

I'll see you soon. Be safe. Of course. Be safe, everybody. So long. Thanks for having me. Long as goodbye ever. See you in hell.

See you in hell. I'll be in heaven. I'll see you. I'll look down.