The Downbeat - Bryan Garris (Knocked Loose)

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

My guest on the podcast this week is Bryan Garris, vocalist of KNOCKED LOOSE. They're just about to put out the album of the year 'You Won't Go Before You're Supposed To' on May 10th. You can check out the LIMITED EDITION Downbeat vinyl variant at www.thedownbe.at We talk ALL about that plus religion, playing coachella, and getting his eye ripped out by a beagle. Great lad. Great band.

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They're still so young. Great people. and I'm super excited to have for the first time on video, Brian Garris, back on the podcast. He is the vocalist in Knock Luce. He's got such a good voice. They've got such a good album, You Won't Go Before You're Supposed to, which is coming out on May the 10th. It's got features from Poppy, Chris from Motions in White. I caught up with Brian in L.A.

I deliberately went to L.A. to do it with him because I was going to miss him when he was in Glasgow. We talk about the new album. It's super, super, super, super fun, laid back. I love him. He's such a nice down to earth guy. It's Brian Garris from Not Luz on the Downbeat Podcast. Hi, Brian. Hi. How are you?

Good. How are you? Thanks for coming on. Yeah. I'm excited. You were audio. Do we do the audio only one pandemic? Yeah. I remember where the fuck? I think I was like sat on a bed doing it. Now things have changed to like this. Yeah. And I was in the spare bedroom of Taylor's mom's house.

I was in my girlfriend's spare bedroom and just sat there doing a little thing like, how are you, you fucking bored? Yeah, we talked about Last of Us for like an hour. Oh shit, we did. That was pre-show though.

Yeah, pre-show. That was, I think it was pre-second game. I think we were talking about how excited I was for game two. That's a real pandemic brain. Yeah. Oh, gaming, gaming, gaming, game it. Still gaming?

Kind of. Just, I mean, honestly, not really. I haven't probably, haven't played like a story mode since um i just hop on fortnight with my brothers i used to like i haven't even really played with like tom or jordan or any of them because you guys were the crew yeah the pandemic but then we're just i'm gone all the time tom's gone all you know what i mean so it's like getting all four of us kiles gone all the time getting all four of us home is just like they hit me up so much and i had to be like not home not home not home so now when i'm home i'll just like

hop on with my brothers it's also just like an excuse to catch up with them you know what i mean that's the that's the reason i can only play multiplayer games because i like the chatting it's like calling your boys and yeah what's going on i can't sit there i think that we fucking spent the last podcast me talking about how i can't sit there and do the zombie shit yeah yeah i mean my brothers and i are very close i don't know if i talked about this in the last one like my best friends So we're in a group chat talking all day and then at night we're like on video games talking all night. So it's that's the reason I ever even started playing online games. Like I'd never played a multiplayer game and Trey was like play a fortnight with me in Dallas.

And I was like, all right, whatever. How old are you brothers now? Trey's 21, Dallas has just turned 24 a couple weeks ago. All three edge, edgeman. No, not Dallas. No. No. the middle one he he's a smoker he's just smoking though he has some drinks every now and then but

i wouldn't consider him like a drinker he just likes to get high and chill and oh he's a smoker yeah yeah which i would take that over cigarettes any day yeah um still can't do it can't smoke weed and wish i could it made me really anxious yeah but i mean i think that it i mean i see it benefit people you know I mean, I think for a lot of people, it can be beneficial. A lot of people who just fucking cooks their brain, though. Everyone I know was smoking when I was smoking, like when I was a kid and they still smoke, their brains are fucking gone. Yeah.

Not even just like everyday life shit. They're just like, hey, I watch this video on how like these people are actually snakes. Yeah, yeah. You need to stop smoking. Yeah. I just mean, like, I mean, I mean, for a lot of people I would prefer

weed to pharmaceuticals. You know what I mean? Like a lot of people use weed to cope with anxiety and but yeah, I'm sure that's an unpopular opinion from a straight-ed person but

it'll be fucking legal everywhere in another 10 years anyway. Out of the band is pack the only one that drinks? Yeah. Do you give him shit for it? No. What if he fucks up?

It's funny with Paxson because the only time we give him shit for fucking up is when he doesn't care that he fucked up. Like all I want, because mistakes happen. And I kind of like me personally, I like the like human nature of playing a show, that it's not going to be the same show every single night. And like as Knock Fluse grows and we introduce all these new things, like we just switched to in-ears, all of us. Everyone on ears. Yeah, everyone. When? For the motionless tour.

Because it was like, there's not going to be monitors at this show. And like, we're running bigger lights, bigger production, bigger everything. Like, they're all on quad cortex now. Like, things are just, like, getting there. So it's like, it's as robotic as it can be. Yeah. I like the humanness of it. So, like, if he messes up, no big deal.

We play 30 shows in a row. You're going to mess up. all I want is for him to be like, yo, my bad, like, I'm working on it. But, like, there would be days when he would just, like, blow it. And he'd be like, oh, shit happens. And we'd be like, no, get better. Why is he blowing it, drinking or just fucking... Not drinking, just like shitty show.

Just like, shitty show. Yeah, like, it happens. Blue Ridge. Because I didn't know you guys were on a click until I saw Blue Ridge. Oh, yeah. And the click didn't work. It came out out front. Yeah, and then you just fucking canned it.

Yeah. that one thing in my head how I always justify these like growing pains of okay now you're going to be on ears now you're going to be on click whatever is that the second there's a technical difficulty we can play the exact same set with none of it you know what I mean so like there are tracks now but it's all just like sound effects shit it's bass drives it's it's nothing that can't that like we play our songs so that that's that's like we play our songs so that that day was like a I don't remember why but we were trying out a new front of house that day like we met him that morning and it's like we're headlining blue ridge yeah rough just like I don't know why

we thought that that would be fine but um I don't know what happened I don't even think that it was his fault I just think it was an easy mistake and like click was coming out front and I'm the one in that moment where I'm just like well we're never doing this again Tom's that one in Oh man Yeah Fuck this Yeah

We're never playing To click again You know what I mean But we have like The people that Dude we just took a monitor guy The dream Two sound guys

Yeah it's like Every tour There's like a new conversation That's like Oh That's happening now Like we We take a merch truck

We take two sound guys like it's fucking crazy and having like a nerdy front of house and a nerdy monitor guy that just like dude they matched every day clothing wise really just talked about sound like we have you got real sound guys you got like not like a cool sound guy who like parties on tour you got the nerds yeah and and they were just so great and they made like the transition into ears like so nice what are you having your ears? I just have as close to the record as possible. Like I literally told the monitor guy Sean, I said match Isaacs because I trust his ear and then give me more vocals. So but yeah, I don't have click. I have click. I have the coolest thing in my opinion about all

of us being on ears is no count-offs for songs. Yeah. Like you know when you watch musuga and it's pitch black and then I don't know where it's like, done. Yeah. So in our ears we have Siri going like one, two, three, four, and then the song will start. So just like cues and stuff. I wish we could do that, but I'm the only one on ears. Yeah. Dude, that was the selling point for me.

We watched Musugah and Isaac was like, that's how they do that. And I was like, all right, I'll do it. When they open with broken clock and it's just pitch black and yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. We just played with him at Bloodstock. Oh, I saw that. I'll watch that on YouTube.

Yeah, they just put it out. Dude, I, as soon as we got on site, first of all, Crowbar and Musuga, same day, is like a very weird representation of, like, a lot of Knocked Loose's influences, if you think about it. I am obsessed with Crowbar. Isaac's obsessed with Musuga. It was a great day. And then all day we're asking people, what's the Musugah situation?

Like, everybody's like, everything's closed. stage is closed front of house is closed I'm like whatever I'll go to barricade if I have to finally Cam he's like I can get you front of house just like dude done so like me and Isaac and Taylor are second story front of house you know those like big and I was watching that masuga like mouth open like couldn't believe what I was watching it was my first time seeing them at night I'd only seen them them play like they played a festival in north carolina during the day which is like still sick but it doesn't do it justice the light show the big yeah they got wherever they're called they're like

scrims but cooler yes yeah yeah yeah nobody wants to call them scrimms because of how cool they are yeah because of scrims of 2010 yeah but like and they change them like halfway through the set yeah yeah like pull them out and shit that's like a play like people in all black come out and swap them out but they did that interlude like the minds mirrors interlude I was like legitimately scared. B. Yeah. I was sitting there watching it.

Like, this is terrifying music. Yeah. It was life changing. But, but yeah, that is what sold me on Inears. And it's so cool. Like seeing a video of us and like, Paxon got so, like, comfortable with doing clickoffs that he would do clickoffs that we probably didn't even need.

You know what I mean? And it always, like, irked me. Like, if we had like a really small, like, dun, dun, he would go, dun, dun, he would go, done. done no get rid of that yeah so like all of it's gone it's just like very like abrasive which is just like my main goal for knocked loose is just like abrasive god i can't wait to see you again i haven't seen you i haven't seen you since blue ridge since yeah since click since no countoffs dude i wish you could have seen us at this last blue

ridge where we were the only day that happened because friday and sunday were completely rained out you played again two years on a row yeah And it was like potentially one of the biggest like festival crowds we've ever played to. Like it was like too big. Right. Bigger than Coachella. Yeah, because we were in a tent. So like the tent was capped.

Like at Coachella, they literally had to stop letting people in. But like not Fest Iowa, probably the biggest show I've ever played. They said that it sold like 30,000 tickets. And we probably really and it's two stages side by side. So you're playing to everybody. We played midday. So if I had to guess 15,000, maybe the biggest that we've ever played. Blue Ridge looked similar.

I don't know how many tickets they sold or anything, but I just remember being like, dude, it's like one of those videos you see on the internet of metal bands playing fests and you're like, the crowd just doesn't end. Yeah, like old machine head videos. Yeah. Machine Head Monsters of Rock. Yeah. Dude, Machine Head Dynamo.

Yeah. It's one of my favorite. It's one of my favorite live videos of a band ever. They all look so fucking 90s in it. It's the coolest shit ever. The drummer and the singer wearing matching Chromeags windbreakers. He has fucking cornrows and a black eye. It's fucking so hard.

My brother's on tour with Machine Head right now. Really? Yeah. Gates to Hell is the band that Trey plays drums for now. they're opening it's a gates to hell fear factory machine head and uh there's a there's another opener i don't remember the name but yeah and i got to do uh his name rob flyn yeah i got to do his podcast and i wanted to ask him about the video so bad but but he was very good about like asking me questions that i i didn't really feel an appropriate time to just be like

will you tell me about the day oh you should have done it like we just tell me about like why did you have a black guy will you tell me about all the dudes and like all the like skinhead dudes pitting side stage yeah the side shit it's such a cool video the uh oh you should have topsy turvied that podcast and just been like yeah i'm bad at podcasting i have like notes and shit but i'm normally just like what's up what's going on like i got notes guess what professional one of them's about cocella yeah

how the fuck did that happen dude i don't know how i still don't really know how it happened to the way that it did like we got hit up about Coachella we were on tour and like Vitala hit me up but Vital's our manager. You know that but he hit me up and was like we got an offer for Coachella and I was like I'll tell you right now we're saying yes like we obviously will hit the band group chat but like nobody's going to say no to this and he was just like yeah he was like even if it was like a dog shit offer like I would urge you to say yes was it dog shit? Um,

tell me the number. I really, I don't think that it was like, uh, it definitely wasn't dog shit. I don't think that it was like groundbreaking or anything, but it, but like I'm the wrong person to ask because when I get asked,

I don't ever really talk about the offer. I just want to talk about the show. You know what I mean? It's coach how I'm fucking doing it. Yeah. Pay me a bad. bag of fucking peanuts. Yeah, like, and that's pretty much how it is across the board.

Like, do you guys want to do this tour? Yes. Okay, cool. This is what the offer is. You know what I mean? I trust that, like, we have people in place to handle those. And, like. Yeah, Vitalo's fucking so clever.

Yeah. He's not going to be like, he's not going to throw me to the wolves. But so we accepted Coachella and then leading up to it, we were all just excited. But then, like, week of, I was like, dude, I'm anxious. Like, how is. this going to go and all of us had talked about it. It's like I got an eyelash. All of us talked about it and we were like it's either going to be dead and awkward or it's going to be like a festival set like Danny Wimmer outdoor like festival set. And then we showed up and I think all of us were

just excited to hang out because we weren't touring a lot last year. So we were in our own world like chilling, hanging out. And then our TM was like, let's go check out the stage. And we walked over there. We walked into the tent and there's no barricade. And I was like, oh, they're just setting up for the day. Like, there's no way. There's no barricade.

They just weren't ready. Dude, the stage manager came over to me wearing like a Los Crudos hardcore shirt and he had like the marauder braids. And he immediately like introduces himself. And he's just like, yo, we're really excited for you guys. It's going to be crazy. And I was like, oh shit, like, they know. Yeah.

And I was like, I couldn't believe there was no barricade. And then before the set, like, dude, Vital was like so antsy. And we're all getting so nervous. And we're getting ready and we're stretching. And you can see him kind of pacing. And he's like poking his head in there. And he's coming back and telling Colin, like, it's empty. It's empty.

And then he's poking his head in there. And he's just like, yeah, I mean, it's not that. crazy and then like five minutes before we go on he pokes his head in there and he comes out and he goes it's fucking packed and he's like let's go and i was just like shit dude and um yeah and then it was like as crazy as it was the videos were fucking nuts i woke up put that video that colinini posted i don't know if you can like we can have that we can have that yeah we'll pop that in there but it was like it was uh the song deep in the willow that we later released before it was out and dude it was just insane and what's crazy is the second weekend was cooler and they

didn't stream it but like what everybody tells you about Coachella which I guess is true is like weekend one is the influencers and the celebrities and the people that want the photo op so like the festival's great but then weekend two the tickets are there for the fans of music I didn't know So like weekend one sells out and then people like and so weekend two was just crazier. And I was like there's no way it's going to top weekend one. And then it did. And it was just like. But there's no like streaming footage.

No, because they kind of flip flop whose set is going to be streamed and we played at the same time as Willow, which is insane to say. So her set got streamed the second weekend. and we actually walked past Will Smith. And it was like, it's definitely the most, like the biggest celebrity I've ever seen in real life. But like our entire group, like crew and band is and guest list is all walking to catering. And Will Smith and Jaden and Willow and some security guards walk past us. And like in a row, I'm kind of in the row. the front of the group and you can see our entire group in a row notice and go as he walked past

like just couldn't believe yeah it was sick and then later on that year playing bonneroo as well and it was like well this can't be as good as Coachella and then it was like I don't know if I can say better but it was definitely as good it was just like chaos right back in the olden days you add a guitar, right? Little strings. Bing, plong, plong. There was like two songs. Kumbaya was one of them. A Beatle song was the other one. I can't remember. But basically now you don't have to do that anymore because the other people at Neural DSP have created plugins. So you can just plug that guitar straight into your computer. You can sound like Gojira. You can sound like Tim Henson, Tom Morello. Let's say you are a little bit dimmer than the rest of us and your strings are thicker. And you perhaps only have four of them. Yes, that's right, you're a bassist. Well, guess what? You can get bone crushing.

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I don't know really if we did. If we did, I didn't really see it. I didn't see it. I just saw everyone like, this is the fucking best thing ever. And I was like, oh, cool. Yeah, I think that when we started to kind of like get attention, we were very polarizing when it came to like hardcore metalcore, that whole like never ending argument.

And I think that like I literally watched it flip where like all the people that hated on us and were so bothered by our existence. over the years they all came back around and it still happens to this day we're like we'll do something and somebody will say something to me or they'll say something about knocked loose uh like giving us props or giving us our flowers and i'm just like i remember i remember what you said and i don't care if you don't like us or whatever i also don't care that you now pretend to like us like i don't need that validation but there's like points in Noctloos' history where I can say

us playing this is hardcore a lot of people came back around and they were like oh okay us taking terror out people are like oh okay same with like us taking candy out I mean you guys bring out like real

like obviously not including terror but like real small fucking hardcore bands all the time yeah just because that's what we like you know yeah you've always got like it was never to like like pander. No, no, it's always

some fucking mad band that you guys are into. Who's on this UK run? Headbusser. Yeah, French band. How did that come about? You just like the band? We like the band and also dude, the UK has so many good bands. And every time we do

Europe in the UK, we take a UK band. Every time like we haven't taken demonstration of power, but like amazing band. Static dress. Last Wish. despise. Like, it's always us, malevolence.

So Isaac straight up was just like, dude, we have to take a European band. And he, like, sent a list of bands that he was messing with. And I was like, oh, I like that head bus a band. And they were down to do it. So I'm really excited. And I'm also excited because day one is Paris, which is a hometown show for them. So that'll, like, really set the tone for the tour. It's such a fucking great.

line up. I'm stoked we're doing this because I'm not here for it because I'm doing stuff Australia in the States, so I'm going to miss it. But like death heaven is one of my fucking favorite bands. And I'm excited to see what the fucking pit is going to be like between the three bands. Yeah. Because it's going to be like fucking heavy moshing and then I don't know.

Yeah. More heavy moshing. I really like that though. And we've been doing that a lot. Like the last time we did the UK, we did despise. choir boy knocked loose. I don't know if you've listened to choir boy. It's like 80 synth goth, like...

Sick, I mean... Yeah, it's just like... I'm not a like distorted instrument on the entire record. And then when we did the U.S., we did Kubla Khan movements. So it's just like, I like that. I like a mixed bill. I like to keep things interesting. But then also, if you think about it,

it's kind of just setting yourself up for a crazy set because like the deaf heaven set is just not going to look as crazy as our set no matter what you know what it's going to it gives you can't expect i found it when we do a tour and it's stacked you can't expect you can't expect people to be moshing for that long yeah if there's no like break in the thing Yeah. Like, I can't, I, I was explaining it. We, like, timed our set and the band before us, and someone was, like, annoyed. I was like, why aren't they going nuts for the whole set?

And I was like, he's 95 minutes. That's Shrek 2. You ever put Shrek 2 on and mosh for the whole fucking thing? No, you don't. Yeah, it's like, I mean, especially, like, creating a headliner, you have to play longer so you just know that, like, it can't be hits only. so you're creating a set that kind of does this. It like ebbs and flows and like a lot of bands mess up and put like Kubla Khan as direct.

That's like the scariest thing you can do as a heavy band. Like and I love Kubla Khan and I want them to succeed. Like I've, you know me like I've never ever viewed this as a competition. When we had them on our tour like there were definitely nights that they had better sets than us. And like, I love that. I'm rooting for them. But I was just like, this band is like maybe the most underrated band, like live band in like our generation of heavy bands. Like they just absolutely demolish every single show that they play.

But you don't want to play after them. You don't. Even if your band is on paper bigger, you don't want to play after them. Their music is written for a response. You know what I mean? It's like scientifically made. to respond to um i saw him support stick to your guns on that run it was rough it was fucking rough after kubla khan dude we played uh in albany we showed up and we were like

oh there's no barricade because like nowadays it's getting more and more rare to play no barricade show on a knocked loose headliner um we were like oh there's no barricade let's go and kubakan just like smoked the whole bill and like we were stoked we were diving for Kubla Khan, you know what I mean? But I was just like, geez, bro. You want a direct support that'll make you sweat, you know what I mean? But you don't want a direct support that's kind of like smoky. And deaf heaven, like, I love deaf heaven.

I think it's such a cool idea. And I like, I'm kicking myself because I pride myself, me and Isaac on like, we're big on the shows that we play. We create them from the ground up. Like me and Vatalo go over a list of vine. news and lists of cities and we pitch bands and blah blah but deaf heaven was vitala's idea and he said it to me and i was like that's brilliant that's a great idea like if you think they'd be into it yeah like hit them up so what happened though they they're getting announced for it real

late in the game like the tour is in two months yeah we we just wanted like uh we we announced it just us yeah couple weeks ago and we just wanted to like kind of spread out the excitement like you announce a tour and then it kind of just like dies until the tour happens again but this was just a way to like have two announcements for the same tour and also in the back anyone listening who loves music business in the like back end of it you can see okay well we did this many tickets immediately yeah yeah and like engage your markets yeah and we're definitely not as like we definitely don't do as well in Europe as we do in the US. So it was kind of like,

why do you mean that is? I just don't think that we did it right for a long time. And then since the pandemic, I don't think we've properly done it at all. What do you mean by not do it right? Like when we first started touring in Europe, our first tour ever over there was with counterparts and it was amazing.

And it was like exactly the kind of tour that we should have done. It was like reasonably sized rooms with no barricade. Underworld, London. Underworld. Yeah, like, and it was awesome. And then we went straight from that to the world of like, we supported Parkway. And it was just like, there's not enough groundwork for us in Europe yet to support on a package like that. Because like if you open that show, you're eating shit.

You're playing 30 minutes after doors in a 7,000 cap room. You don't have a green room. So you don't actually even get anything from. other than being like, yeah, we played in Poland to people sitting on the ground on their phones. And I just remember being like, we talk about that tour now and say like if at any point somebody just spoke up and said, should we go home? Every person would have been like, yep.

So stuff like that. We did like a bunch of like the Empiricon and like no dis to Empiricon, but it's just like it's us. and 10 bands that we don't really, like 10 bands we wouldn't normally tour with. Yeah. And then we literally, I think it was 2019, it was to prepare for a different shade of blue. I was just like, dude, we got to re-approach. And me and Isaac and Vital were like, dude, we're starting from scratch. I don't care if we're playing house shows.

Like I want to play the smallest rooms. I want to go with people that I'm friends with. And even if the shows are bad, at least I'm with friends. So we did a tour and it was Kubicon, Cruel Hand, and then a band from Australia. Caged Existence. They were a band for a very short period of time. So we did that and the tour was so sick. And like every show was cool, small rooms, people going off.

So then a different state of blue came out and we went to go back to Europe. up and we were like same vibe like bigger rooms but let's not overshoot it and let's take a package that we like and that was justice for the damned renounced malevolence us and it was like an amazing tour that was just fucking sick that was when we played that show with you all in bristol that show was unbelievable yeah that flyer is going to get dug up in like 20 years and people are going to be like i can't believe this exists who was it was like it was stray Prada Prada. Loth.

Malevolence. Malveillance, renounced, justice for the damned. Uh, didn't you all have an opener on your tour? Gideon. Gideon, yeah, you're right. Fucking completely.

That is such an insane lineup. Yeah, and... One day. What, 1,800 people? Mm. So sick. Well, we sold that venue out on our last headliner.

So sick. Fucking crazy. Yeah, to be back there without that lineup and be like, wait, we should just fucking sold this out. Yeah. I think,

Tom told me that, like, that you were going for that venue. You and me got coffee that day. That was when I told you I like coffee now. Yep, I remember it. Who would we live? It was just you, me, and, um... What's his name, photographer guy? Elliot.

Elliot, yeah. Yeah. Apologies, so. My mind went blank. Yeah, that tour was great. And we were like, okay, we like Europe now. And then the pandemic hit. And the pandemic hit the day that we were supposed to fly to Europe.

to do Madball Harms way because it was like after doing two of our own tours let's do a hardcore support tour It hit the day you were going to leave The day that we were going to leave was the day that they shut the borders down

So you got lucky you didn't Dude yeah Not lucky because the flights were definitely but Yeah I mean my pegs were packed It was like Taylor and I were headed to the airport And an hour And Vital called us and was just like Tours cancelled

and I immediately got in my car. Me and Taylor picked up Dallas and Trey, my brothers, and we drove two hours to Indianapolis to see Terror Kubla Khan magnitude restraining order. Literally we're just like, tours canceled, let's go to a show. Probably the last show we see for a fucking minute. Yeah, and it was. But then since touring has come back,

I feel like we haven't really toured Europe the right way We did like, dude, the festival summer, I'm just like not a fan of. Really? The festivals are so cool, but it's just like the drives are crazy. Are you doing it in a van? Okay. We did, it wasn't last year. Last year we did it.

I'll get to that. So two years ago, it was our first Europe tour after the pandemic. It was in, it was full festival summer. And I was just like, dude. we can't do a van because festival summer is brutal i'll never do it again and fatala was like it's this thing that's it's called like a nightliner and he's like it's not a van but it's not a bus it's not a bandwagon it's kind of just like a camper and i was just like if there's a bunk whatever we show up no AC i know exactly which one it is dude is it the little gray one yeah oh we did that

fucking two, oh we did that not last year. Oh, we did it last year on a underplay. Dude. No window. No windows. Driver that looks like a lovely fucking guy. Our driver was a, a woman. Her name was Marta.

Not the same driver then. We, we didn't talk to her much. She was nice. So this is no, this isn't making fun of her. It's just making jokes about her. We were like, oh, our driver's a vampire. Because she sleeps during the day and she drives at night. And one day, we were like, oh, yeah, Marta, she's a vampire.

She sleeps upside down, like, whatever, whatever. One day there's catering to-go boxes. And I ask our tour manager, like, which one's mine? He's like, all of these are your-alls. This is my vegan one. And then this one's Marta's. Please don't eat it because of her allergies. And we're like, what is she allergic to?

He said, fucking garlic. No way. I was like, she's a vampire. Oh, so you did that and then you never wanted to do it again. Dude, I mean, hellfest. Yeah. So, but on that tour, Hellfest, 110 degrees in Paris or in France, wherever it's at. We play at noon.

And it's just like, it's 115 degrees in our ride. Yeah. And then we have no green room because it's like you have a green room for the hour that before you play and 10 minutes after you play because. so and so needs to practice like deep purple or whoever headlined and so it was so hot they shut catering down oh that's yeah and like it's hell fest so they cover everything in black like like these chairs because they wanted to look like hell I guess but it's just absorbing heat just roasting I remember I I squirted hand sanitizer on my hand and it like burned it was so hot Yeah, because it's in a, it was in a hot black metal tin.

Just cooking. Cooking. And like, I was just like, dude, I'm never coming to Europe again in mine for the rest of my life. There is one company and Tom's got the hook up. So get Vital to speak to Tom. There's one company that makes those nightliners and they're actually sick. So we've done those three times. Yeah.

One sucked. One was okay and one was awesome. It was literally like half a bus. We did. You're big enough. to do a full bus on your own. We just did that. Yeah.

Yeah. So we did last summer, we did a bunch of festivals and I was just like, whatever we have to do to avoid that camper. Yeah, I'll play for free. Yeah. And it was also the first time we had ever taken a sound guy. Wow. Only last year.

Yeah. Telling you, we just did it wrong for a long time. That's pretty wrong. Just because Knocked Loose is infamous for like taking. taking the appropriate like growing steps a step too late you know what I mean like we were doing lights taking our own lighting packages

but it was like Taylor learning how to rig I remember when you picked it up because we were at Will Pantney's I think you've just driven halfway across the country to pick up a bunch of lights yeah that's another yeah like we didn't ship them I drove 18 hours to pick them up like just shit like that is like us trying i feel like we're just it's like painfully trying to hold on to the DIY aspect of it

where it's like now especially for the u.s it's like let's do this comfortably you know what i mean yeah but you know what's funny about that is though you're holding onto the DIY aspect of it too much you're like you're we're going to lights now okay so it's slightly less DIY but let's do ourselves yeah just still fully fucking DIY dude we the not that lighting package but but there was a lighting package. When we did that tour right before the pandemic, and it was us stick to your guns, rotting out candy, C-U-Space cowboy.

Great tour as well. Yeah, great tour. But we rented a lighting package, and it had two 10-foot trusses that Taylor just, like, built every day. Like, she got to the venue and she just had these massive, weighted bases, and she's, like, fucking screwing in,

these trusses and then she's climbing the tresses and hanging fixtures on them and it's just like that's fucking awesome and then she's doing the show you know what i mean so we were just like yeah maybe we take a lighting tech you know what i mean is she's she's still doing lines yeah so she's that's fucking she's always done lights and merch we're at the point now we're like depending on the tour because like we did those that rap tour last year was suicide boys yeah that was vendor sale, vendor sell every day. So that's basically her just like doing the numbers at night and just dropping merch off. So she could do lights. But if it's a tour where she's like physically selling, we hire her an assistant on both sides. She has a merch tech and a lighting tech.

Someone to build the stage. Someone to stock the merch. They both sell. Someone can be at the table if she has to go to the truck and restock and then someone can be at the table while she's actually performing the show because a lot of people buy merch while you're playing which is so weird that is fucking weird yeah what at those kind of shows yeah

I love this I'm gonna stop watching it yeah yeah it's fucking nuts I did I saw you I saw you twice that year was that last year was that year before I saw you would bring me oh yeah last year that was last year and then same thing that was like vendors sell every day

but that was pretty limited on what we were allowed to bring production-wise because their show was so big you know god saw them last week it's even bigger now dude i want to see it so bad it's incredible it looks like doom i wish i could have seen the download set i heard it was just like legendary so the download set set up is what i just saw them do in the arenas this the fucking l-d screen that looks like a doom level like all that fucking shit i love that um all that posted the picture on his Instagram of a drawing. And the next slide was them live. I was like, dude, I'd do that.

Like, I just draw on my iPad and then I'm just like build that. But I mean, granted, our show is like not even a quarter of that size. But it's just so cool to see the attention to detail. And like, yeah, I was, when we were in Bloodstock, I talked to Cam about it a lot because I was just like, he was like telling me about, dude, the pyro. on top of the download stage is so crazy they had to have somebody radio in the fucking air traffic control and let them know when they were going to blow fire it's fucking amazing yeah yeah the the doodle that all he did and then like that transferring to the stage show all that shit

like i love how hands on he is with that yeah desperate to get him fucking here but i ain't gonna sweat him i once got told he was up for doing it and someone gave me his email ghosted me dude i've i've always heard that they're all like great dudes and but I've heard that they're like pretty shy and I've also heard that they're like very reserved um and dude I I can't confirm this but I can comfortably say that we wouldn't have gotten that tour if it wasn't for stevis really because he's really close with them and he's really close with me as well and he said that he was hanging out with them and they were like they brought us up and he was like you all should take them on tour and they were like they're way too cool for us and stevis was

like dude they're not like that at all like they love everything and i promise they would do it and they're probably fans and blah blah um and then like no joke a couple months later we got that offer it's so weird how we all think like that like i assume everyone hates me and hates my band even would bring me when i went to the show last week i obviously posted a video that was there and i was you know, I was backstage, but talking to static dress, like seeing them or whatever, obviously post that I was up there and I was like, ah, because, uh, JJ that plays session guitar for bringing me was in viatrophy and my death call band would be like, fucking when we when we were kids.

So I was like, ah, do I go back now? I don't want to be that guy. Like, I'm fucking, maybe they hate me. Maybe I'm not called him out. And then I got home and like, Nichols had messaged me and was just like, oh, you should have come and say hi. And I was like, yeah, just assume everyone doesn't fuck with me. Well, dude, so we did the tour and we started it.

And I was like, I don't know what the vibe's going to be like. Like, I've heard they're dope, but I've also heard they're shy. So, like, on tours like that, I'm just like, all of Noxblos, we're just like out of the way. You know what I mean? Like, we're not trying to step on anybody's toes or break any rules or whatever, whatever. So, like, we stick to ourselves until you open the door, then we'll be your best friend. So, like, a couple days went by and we had met. everybody I hadn't met Ali yet and then Vital hit me and he's like yo are you interested in doing

an interview they want you and Ollie to interview together and I was like oh cool that'll break the ice and that was my like first time meeting him we like sat and did an interview together where we just basically answered questions on like what it's like from my perspective only doing this 10 years and his perspective only doing like doing this however long bring me has been a ban Are these people getting fucking interviews? Where am I? I have to do this myself. But you could definitely tell that they're like reserved.

You know what I mean? And and I feel like in a way I can relate to that because of like how polarizing Noctluse was at first when it came to like hardcore specifically. Like you can tell the he was kind of just like, yeah, like we're not the cool band, blah, blah. And it's just like to me you are. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Bring me is fucking cool. I've been a fan consistently since traders never play hangman. You know what I mean? Even I wasn't a fan then. Dude, I was. And I never got close enough with him. But I wanted to, I sent it to Steve. This when I was in like middle school, I fucking drew a picture of him for my art class.

Really? And I like, I was like, mom. I know you have like a. trunk of all that shit can you find that she found it sent it to me and i was just like one the picture is can you find that and send it to me i will try yeah yes i would fucking love that that's so cute though yeah i forget how young you are how old are you i'm 30 that's not young yeah you're not young anymore you're dripped out i've just seen the drip as well thank you got stone ironing you got the salemons on the gorp core respect new album new single yeah new album new single what's the album called

I don't even fucking know because you told me today. The album is called You Won't Go Before You're Supposed to. What does that mean? Long, moody title. No, it's a, it is a lyric on the record. There's no like title track. It kind of, it was a bunch of ideas kind of like, uh, wrapped into one.

Um, was thinking a lot about like an album name and I was thinking about art first. And originally I was like, What if we went the route of no text? Like just a photo, you know what I mean? Just a graphic. And then I had that album name kind of just like fall into my lap. It was actually like a quote from a stranger to me. And I thought that it was like really like dark and like a weird way.

It was like in reference to death. To be completely transparent, it was in reference to a fear of flying that I have. Like I'm very, very afraid of flying. Really? Yeah. And on a plane, I was sat next to a stranger and I'll make a very long story shorter. I won't make it short because it's still going to be kind of long. But I did this flight that was like nightmare flight. And so it was like, it was like, nightmare. So it was like pouring down rain, flooding, I had to fly.

It was like day of emergency I had to get home. I'm already kind of panicked because I know the flight's going to be rough just because of the weather. I get to the airport. Every flight is delayed. So I sit in the airport for about four hours. I hear them boarding a flight to another place, not even. even where I'm going, just the general direction. And I'm like, I could get on that flight and I could rent a car and drive home.

Me and Taylor go over there and to the gate and we're just like, can we get on this flight? And they're just like, sure. And we're like, okay. Yeah, I don't know. The woman at the counter was even like, which flight were you going to be on? I'll go get your bags myself. She went and got our bags. Post 9-11 world.

You're able to do that. Fuck, fair play. So we get on, we're seat one and two. This woman, these two women and their mother, like elderly woman, come onto the plane, and the elderly woman's kind of like having a hard time walking. And I hear the one woman kind of saying like, sorry, like the delays we just sat for so long, like her joints are really locked up. So I like got up and was like, here she can have my seat.

I'm row one. and the stewardess was like, oh, she can't sit there because it's an exit row and you have to be willing to help. And I like try. I'm very self-aware of like I'm never rude to workers. Even if they're like so mean, like I just brush it off. I've got like very high talents for that. But I remember being like, dude, there's six people here. Five of them can help.

Like let this woman sit down. And they were just like, it's the pop. policy. So I was like, whatever. So I sat down. Luckily, the woman was only row two. I didn't know that before I made such a scene. I didn't make a scene. But in my head, I'm just like, wow, I just embarrassed myself. Anyway, so her daughter is next to her. Her other daughter is next to me. The flight is like the oldest plane running, like cigarette ashtrays. Oh, nice. My shade. Yeah, my shade doesn't work. My seat is broken. It's just reclined. then won't sit up. Nice 80s print on it. Yeah, I'm fully panicking. I have like noise cancelling headphones to meditate on flights.

So I have them on. I'm meditating. I'm like doing breathing exercises. And the stewardess is like, you can't listen to your headphones during takeoff. And I was like, what? Like,

I was like, what do you mean? I was like, I take 300 flights a year. year like and she was just like it's the rules so i just took my headphones off and i'm sitting there like freaking out and we start speeding down the runway and like while we're speeding down the runway the woman next to me is like where are you going and i was like i'm like this i'm like uh florida and she's just like oh what for and i'm like work i just like lied yeah i was like

work. I was like, what are you going for? And she was like, family reunion. And I was like, oh, that's awesome. And like, dude, before you know it, we were in Florida. Me and her talked the entire flight. And it was like she felt it. And she just, like, distracted me. And it was like, crazy. And on the flight, she was like, I don't really like flying. And I was like, yeah, me either. And she was like, I'm not scared of it or anything. thing. It's just like so exhausting. And I was like, I am scared of it. And she was like, oh, really? And she was like, how often do you fly? And I was like, all year. And she just, she literally went, you won't go before you're supposed to. And I was like, I like pulled my phone out and wrote

it down. That's so sick. Yeah. And I, I sat on it for a while. And then I remember we were on tour and we were in a bandwagon and the band was kind of talking and I was just like, I have an idea. I told them the name and they were just like, that's cool. They instantly responded, well, they were like, I do really like that. And then I told them the story and they were like, well, that's the name, you know? And then in my head, I was like, well, I'm already thinking of the art and I didn't really want text on it.

So it can kind of get away with a longer album title because you don't have to figure out how to make it look cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So, like, our graphic designer, his name is Ridge. He's done everything since the mistakes like fractures seven inch that came out before a different shade of blue, everything, like website, merchandise, the cab covers, the backdrops, like anything that has our name on it, he's designed it.

He's insane. And we had this photographer that we were really big fans of, named. Briscoe Park, who had been following for a really long time, has a very distinct style. And I was like, this style is like perfect. And we ended up finding a photo of his that we thought was so cool. We're like, what if this was the photo? And got in contact with the photographer and they were just like, I would love to work with you. I'm down for anything.

However, this photo is out. and I've sold prints of it and like people have it and like so I was just like you're right um so from there it was kind of like starting from scratch but now knowing that the photographer's on board so Ridge kind of designed something on his own and was like what about this and I was like this is awesome it it looks a little bit too like computer made what if we just get briscoe to come to you and shoot this so like build the entire set and take the photo um so it kind of ended up being like best of both worlds

we could still have ridge involved and then also introduce like this guy's style that we're such a fan of it's crazy how that works isn't it when you see something and you just know and you're like this is it this is what I want yeah and we had when we did euthanasia like I was like

it just needs to be I'm sick of the world I want to press a button to end the world and we were like what happened how do we do that and then we were looking at like building a fucking button and all this stuff and i was like it just needs to look like a nuclear reactor and then i found this picture of an actual button to stop a nuclear reactor and then we just hit the guy up and was like how much money do we need to give you to use your photo yeah it was like i think it was quite expensive but like that was like a tear in the fabric of life um the picture of the girl like doing the back bin Ridge and I worked so for so long on that art. And if you own the vinyl, you've seen this, but the slip mat that the record actually is inside of is this very like messy, noisy painting that kind of looks like something Converge would do.

It's super cool. That originally was the cover. And then I was like, this might be like two, like left field for us. aesthetically um it kind of just like looks like mud you know what i mean and we started playing around with other things he sent me that photo and i was just like this is it and he was like it's not my photo so he had a model go and they did the photo shoot they tried to mimic it i was just like it's not the same so we had to track down this how where this photo came from and we found this person's

Flickr account that was like they're not even a photographer it was just a ballet pose but the way that Ridge edited it made it look so creepy and dark that we like hit them up and and they were like you can use it just send me a copy of the record and we were just like done yeah they just wanted to see like their work on a record you know i think we had the guy come back with the euthanasia thing because he was just like, I think his first amount that he asked for was like, just doesn't know anything about it. He's like, oh, a rock band. Oh, a million dollar.

It was like something fucking insane. It was like, come on, bro. We'll give you fucking two grand or whatever it was. Yeah. Leading Faith. Thank you. I was literally putting my nose up. Yeah.

I listened to it this morning. Love it. Yeah. So fucking good. My, my, uh, regretfully say, my first ever recorded low. it well near the end yeah it's fucking awesome dude isaac's been begging me it's definitely you can tell it's you as well i was like that's not is it it gets brought up a lot and then when this record came is like this is the record like you have to do it and i was just like nah like i have a style like

whatever and um and then we wrote that part and he's Isaac specifically um referenced with blood comes cleansing because he knew that that would get me and he was just like you got to do a pig's quill on this and I was just like dude and then like I recorded a demo of it and I was like I don't know if I like it and then figuring out the line the one liner of because it goes Nico Isaac me which is what I think is so cool oh does it Nico saying bend the knee Isaac saying child of God. Once I figured out the bend the knee child of God, I was just like, all right, this is terrifying. And I was in L.A. working with Drew Folk. They were already at home. So I'm like, Nico, go to Isaac's and record bend to the knee. And then Isaac record Child of God and send it to me and heard it back.

And I was just like, all right, this is it. Like, this is crazy. Isaac kept making fun of me. like i'd be like i don't want to do it and he'd be like oh i guess you hate going viral that's such a good isaic impression yeah with the movement yeah um i mean by this point it'll be out i mean is it this is obviously about i'm going to take a stab in the dark christianity yeah and i think that that's really important it's like it's about christianity it's not about god you know what i mean yeah i got i got I got it. And every single knocked loose record, there's a God song.

And it's always kind of like focused around the same thing, just like religion. I feel like religion is the worst thing that ever happened to God. But it's also funny because every record I kind of like push the one-liner to be like more and more like edgy anti-religion or anti-God. like the gospel was our first one mistakes like fractures i say like god fell silent um the song god knows off the epe and then this one is kind of just like a compilation of like evil one-liners like the word becomes the law and saying i deny the church like just like yeah it sounds like a fucking day aside yeah like if you just look at the lyrics it's like oh it's glad yeah and then when it came to i didn't think that that would be a single it was Isaac was really

pushing for it. You didn't because last week I was told it was a different scene. Yeah, yeah. Isaac always knows something that I don't know. And I think this is another example of how him and I worked so well because we really are on the same page 90% of the time. But every record we've ever done, he's always had a different single idea than me. And what's funny is different shade of blue he wanted trapped in the grasp of a memory. And I remember being like, dude, no, it's not a single. and then that is like one of our favorite songs to play live and one of the like biggest songs to play live I'm just like all right you knew something that yeah definitely going with him on this one like we decided to go this route and when it came to doing a video like I'm like so hands on with like the video stuff that we do now especially now that I was just like all right I mean we could go directly on the nose

with this video and it would just be a scary movie. You know what I mean? So like I created like a mood board of like all these like different influences. And working with a director and we're just like, yeah, like haven't filmed it yet. But so trying to think of the timeline of like when this will be out. This will be out when it's out. Okay. So yeah, the video will be out by then.

Currently the video doesn't exist. Yeah. It's just kind of sick. But I'm excited about it. Like, I've been talking with the director a lot. It's a new director for us. We did the last two videos with Eric Richter, which was like so much fun. But now it's just kind of like, let's see what else is out there.

And we hired this guy that's never done a heavy video. He's done a lot of like really popular videos. What he's he done? Like, like soccer mommy. I'd have to look up the whole roster. It's like not heavy shit. Not heavy shit. And like he got me and Vatalo were like brainstorming people that we could we could go to and Vatala sent him.

And I was looking through his like real. And I was like this like aesthetically would work so well with us. So we reached out and he's like a huge fan. So I was just like, dude, easy. and him and I have just been like getting on the phone and just like word vomiting video ideas you know and like where are you shooting that Kentucky Kentucky yeah last one was a champagne Illinois and I was just like everything that we got from here we could have gotten in Kentucky you know what I mean yeah I like the band aesthetically to be associated with the South you know what I mean there's always been kind of like country music Easter eggs and not blues's music so i was like we can't do a song about religion and have palm trees in the background no yeah you're right like we need those like there's like churches out by like where we all grew up that's just like a 40 cap wooden building that has a weird cross on the top of it

you know what i mean like those backwoods like fucking scary yeah the churches the church is where the real bad shit actually yeah exactly i could probably like in my head I'm seeing three of them that are less than 20 minutes from where my mom lives. Do you think that affects your view on religion? Is it born out of like any kind of growing up around that shit? Or is it just a general dislike? I think that it's, um, it's born from like I gave it a legitimate try when I was younger.

Did you? And got no results. I reached a point in my life where I was like, I don't know what to believe. And I feel like I was kind of like shown. It's so like corny to say because I really don't want it attached to any sort of religion. But I felt like there were things that happened in my life where a God was undeniable. And I had this epiphany of like, okay, so I do believe in God. It's just like all the rules that you all attach to it that I like don't fuck with.

You know what I mean? I do believe in God. That doesn't mean I don't like beef him. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't mean I don't always agree with him. But like I, I did like church camp and I did church. And like I remember the first religious song I ever wrote the gospel. There's a there's a line in it where I say like love like that must cost an arm and a leg because my tongue won't move no matter how hard I beg.

It's like not really a metaphor. It's about like I went to church camp. They did the like whole come up to the altar and like offer your soul to God and Jesus. And he will speak through you and you'll speak in tongues and like, oh, wow. Yeah. And all these young kids went and spoke in tongues. And like my cousin was one of them. She like had like this experience.

And I remember I was just like, I want that. And I, and apparently I need that if I'm, if I'm going to. be like you all like that's like they they spoke about it like that was the if you're ready he'll speak through you so like i remember all the kids leaving and me staying and just like crying and just being like it's not happening i'm praying it's not happening but actually you were just fucking not buying just normal yeah just normal that's fucking insane i only but we don't have any shit like that in the uk i only see that's shit on like tv yeah yeah i mean it's weird it's definitely weird to think back on and I was just like a kid and I was just like fully drinking the Kool-Aid.

You know what I mean? But yeah. And then like just through high school, like I had a bunch of friends that were like heavily into it. So I tried to go back to church. And I remember my best friend was killed by a drunk driver when I was in high school in 2009. And it was actually the driver of the car that she was in. So it was like somebody that went to our school, somebody that we knew. Oh, shit. He didn't do a day of time for it.

And he was always like, just like a fucking scumbag. Like he would come to school, like all fucked up, like no shoes. Like, I remember one time a mutual friend of his invited my friends to skate with that crew.

And we went and skated with them. And they just like did nothing. nothing but like pills and like barely even skated and I was just like this isn't really my shit. So when she started hanging out with him, I was like, this sucks. And I hung out with the three of them. He started drinking and I was just like, I got to go home. I left because I don't want to be in the car with him drinking. That day they got into a wreck. And I tried to tell her like, you got to leave him alone. A week later, he got into a wreck while she was driving. I mean, he was driving. She was in the passenger seat. He got into a wreck and she died. Shit. So he didn't do a day of time. I always knew

him as like this like dirty scumbag. And one day I'm in church and I'm leaving church and I'm walking up steps. So I'm looking down to my feet. And I hear like, hey, Brian. And I look up and it's him. And he's in a suit. And I was just like, you're trying. to like clean up and I was just like if these people are going to accept you then I'm not a part of these people I said like hey Brian I looked at him I was in shock I didn't say a word I just kept walking but I was just like I'm never going to church again and that they pray on people like that as well obviously what he did was fucking bullshit but like that's another but like oh we'll forgive you come to us yeah yeah anything's forgivable and like he ended up

serving time, I believe. I know that he got caught like beating the crap out of his girlfriend. Wow, that sucks. Yeah. He's a good Christian then. Oh, I've changed. Yeah.

So I think that like after that he ended up doing time. But yeah, that was like, that was my first, not to get like so deep, but that was my first time in my life like experiencing death. Like I had never had a family member or anything. Like I was like a. junior in high school. So I was just, at that point, I was just like, yeah, I'm good on like church.

And if I learned anything from church, it was that I didn't need church to build a relationship with God. Like, they tell you that, you know what I mean? So what's your, what's your relationship with God now then? Or what do you perceive as God? I don't know. I just think that there's something. I just don't like really pay attention to it or let it affect what I do.

do that's how i feel like i used to be mad mad atheist and then like certain weird shits happen in my life where i'm like okay there's there's something here but not like i don't believe it's any of the written down by yeah a guy to control people versions of god i'm just like i don't even know if he's like a good guy you know what i mean like i just think that there's something and and i'm the same way like just things happened where i was just like it's kind of undeniable And one thing that I believe heavily when it comes to that is that like people have been placed in my life for a reason. And I just feel like there's like the woman on the plane. You know what I mean?

Like that was like too strange. Like you could have started talking to me when we were in the air. But it's like the most the most jolting part of a plane ride and you're trying to like have a normal ass conversation. So I was just like that was she was like put there. And when I was in high school and I was kind of like re-approaching the idea of religion, my grandma had like a housing situation. She had to move in with me and my mom and dad. And my grandma is the only religious influence that my family has.

Like my parents, if you ask them, they say, yeah, but like they've never gone to church. You know what I mean? So I'm like having all these like internal questions. and then all the sudden my only, like, religious influence is now my roommate. So I'm like, okay, that is something that I can't deny. You know what I mean? It's fucking deep, heavy shit. But, like, we just don't have it.

Like, we don't have it. Like, you guys, particularly in the South, you guys fucking have it. You got anything you need to get out about the album that I don't know. There's two massive features on the album. Poppy. Amazing. And Chris, Motion. amazing because knocked loose did slaughterhouse part two yeah oh my god no way yeah have you nodded to

slaughterhouse or you just called it slaughterhouse part two uh definitely nodded to slaughterhouse so i got the idea because like i've seen like hardcore bands do it like i know like criminal instinct has a song called cowards run king nine did a song called cowards run part two and like they're not even featured it's just like they're friends um so my other band weapon x did it we did a split with world of pleasure and we did domination part three because their first two demos had domination one and two that's fucking cool so i just thought that it was like such a cool vibe and i had the idea of like oh yeah like if we did slaughterhouse too and i think that the band was just like well duh like that's an insane idea did you hit motion or something i did i was with drew

and i was like do you think chris would be down to do that and this was before the tour with motionless so I didn't really know Chris personally yet. And he was just like, dude, yes, he would do that. He was like, I'll FaceTime him right now. And he facetamed him, like, put him on the spot. But he was just like so stoked about the idea. He's such a fucking nice guy. That band, one of the best bands I've ever fucking tour with.

Dude, legitimately, like, I pray that we get the opportunity to tour with them again. Same. Yeah. And, like, because I didn't really know them before the tour at all. Yeah. I, like, knew Vinny's a shredder. Chris is like a fucking rock star. Yeah.

Like didn't know anything. And like I would see like little golf girls wearing motionless stuff. So I'd just be like, I don't think this is my shit or whatever. And then like watch them on night run. This is fucking so good. Knocked loose. Like we there's like a small handful of bands that Noctlose agrees on. They have been one of them like since day one.

Like since they like I've I remember me and my best friend Jared Barron. Shout out to him. And we met in the eighth grade and we just sit at his grandmas and download music. And I remember finding motionless and white on MySpace when it was like just the EP. And I was like, oh, like this is, they're named after an 18 vision song and they sound like bleeding through. It's like my shit. And then I followed it to where they had like the 2010 where they sounded like. 2010 and I was like I'm all about it and then they kind of like started transitioning into like the

active rock like breaking benjamin stuff and I was just like this is amazing so like not only did we want to do that tour just because of like obviously how good it would be for narct loose but like we were just like all of us side stage every night like singing along to the whole set I were so guided because we I think this was pre us getting the bear tooth motionless tour we were in the running for that tour that US one and it was between us and alpha wolf and alpha wolf were just hotter so it was like I was good I love alpha wolf as well though so yeah but it would have been great I would have fucking loved that maybe we'll do it again yeah motionless in well we come on we keep uh I mean this is obviously and the balls in their

corks they're much bigger than our bands but we were just like you won't survive the slaughterhouse tour like that's fucking so see like money or what do yeah and do it in europe and make it all three bands thank you very much dude i've got to say one thing about slaughterhouse because it's the coolest easter egg and i don't know your version of it both okay go and i don't know if they've ever said if chris has ever told this easter egg but i don't know like how familiar you are with the first one, but there's the part where... I played it on stage rhythm, on that tour. Oh, sick.

So in the chorus, the third chorus, the vocal break where it goes, I for an eye. So that's Drew Folk. No way. Yeah, and he did it to show me a reference when I was doing my part. And Chris was like, dude, you sound great. We should just keep you on here. So in our song, we do the eye for an eye.

and we literally copy and paste the same take. It's the same exact Drew Folk vocal take. That's amazing. He just dropped it in. The song is different. Yeah, it's just like thematically about the same thing. And there's like nods to it lyrically.

And then... That's so fucking awesome. That's about as much as I'd be willing to give up. Yeah. That song is going to be fucking huge. I love that. I love bands doing like cool shit with each other. Yeah, it's so cool.

Yeah. Give me these two truths on the lie prepared earlier Dude, so you told me to prepare for this You did I prepared two truths Because I was like What's worth talking about

Yeah And I didn't prepare the lie So like in my head I'm trying to think of a lie right now You would not be the first person who did Who's done that You've maybe the third person that's done it I didn't think of the lie

And then when they fumble the lie I'm like well that's obviously the fucking lie Yeah see This is what I'm worried about The first show I ever played was with the number 12 looks like you. When soundproofing the knocked loose practice space, I dropped a piece of wood on my toe and broke every bone in my big toe. And when I was younger, a dog almost ripped my eyeball out. Wow.

Wait, what was the first one again? The first show I ever played was with the number 12 looks like you. You're 30 years old. But you've been in music for a fucking minute. you would be young as fuck with that one the toe one off camera i just told you it could be about your toes when you were thinking about a lie i'm gonna i'm gonna say the toe one is the lie yeah but but the the toe one is you said that i could say one about someone else yeah it's about isaac he did that i did that to isaac how weird that i suggested it was a

about toes. Yeah. You had a story straight away. Yeah. We were soundproofing the garage at his parents' house and we were like covering the windows with like this thick soundproof wood and Isaac and I were carrying it and we set it on like a window sill seal and I thought that it was secure so I let it go and it fell on his big toe and just like demolished his toe like just crushed the bones into like pieces and he had to he had to have surgery and like once a year he has to have like the toenail removed and what it's still fucked yeah it's fucked forever wow when was that when did you do it um dude i mean we were yeah i mean this was probably 2013 so like the first year of us being a band maybe even before noctalus was official we were just jamming a lot and you fucked his top

up forever yeah Jesus tell me about the first show you play with the number 12 looks like you you must have been a child 2009 that's maybe 15 I guess 16 what was your band my band was awful what was it cool it had a bunch of names that is that are like so of the time and one of them was the number 12 lives at you beneath the ashes nice oh so it's a death cool band It was like metal core like on earth. Yeah, like on earth. The Black Dahlia murder riff, the eventually. Yeah, but with like breakdowns.

It had death to their cries, was a name, which Easter egg is a lyric on a tear in the fabric of life. Nice. Yeah. A little nod. But it was just like garage band, you know, and we sold tickets at our high school to open up for the number 12 like you. I was the only one in the band that liked the number 12 looks like you. They were very rude. Were they?

No. I think one of them was, but I remember during our set, they were all side stage working out. Working out on a little stage. And they were off to the side, like on the ground, like doing like pushups and jumping jacks and shit. And I just remember being like, they're watching us. But I remember one of them was mean to me. him. The singer was nice to me. And I've actually talked about this on a podcast before. And the singer, like, somebody sent it to the singer and he like DM'd me.

And I was just like, dude, that's so awesome that like I had any part of like your history because Knox was so cool. And I was like, this is a crazy like full circle moment. Because I like did. I liked all that like weird like MySpace stuff. My parents went. Nice. Yeah.

My parents still come to trust. Yeah. I cussed so much. It was like the first time ever cussing in front of my parents. And I'm like, fuck this fucking place up. And like, your mom's cool, though. I'll see your mom on the internet. Yeah, but I remember an older local band was just like, yo, you guys were great.

You'll, you'll probably be doing this for a long time. He was like, nobody wants to see a 15 year old cuss. Well, guess what? They've fucking worked. Yeah. You're still doing it. Yeah. All right, what was the last one?

Oh, the dog, the dog eye story. Yeah, when I was four years old, uh, there were two dogs fighting and i tried to break it up because i didn't know any better but i like they were like hurting each other so i tried to break it up and one of them turned on me and like pounced on me i fell on my back and it just started like straight up chewing my eyeball oh my god that's a fucking nightmare how old were you like four four and i remember like i remember feeling its teeth. Like, yeah.

And I was alone. So like the dog would have killed me. Like I literally was just like on my back screaming and like wiggling and finally I got my feet up underneath it and I kicked it off of me and it ran. And I like walked to my house and I'm bleeding head to toe. All I can see is blood. And I just I remember I was crying.

I guess my dad heard me. My dad, like, comes out the back door and he sees me. He's, like, runs and grabs me, and he, like, puts me on the toilet, and he's trying to clean me up, trying to, like, clean up the blood to see how bad the cuts are. And I remember I just said, the doggy took my eyeball. The doggy took my eyeball. That's so sad. Yeah.

So they took me, he took me to the hospital. They had to rush me to, like, a special. I had to get surgery. They basically had to like put my eyelid back together. Have you got any problems from it? Dude, no. Good for you. Yeah.

And you know something that's crazy is like, so I had 60 stitches. Jesus Christ. 40 basically just putting my eyelid back on. And then I had 20 up here on my forehead. What kind of dogs were they? Dude, it was a beagle. I'm sorry for laughing. I know, but I mean, dude, I was four.

I was four. Yeah. A beagle will fuck up a four year old. Oh my God. It kind of makes it weirdly more savage, like a little evil beagle. Yeah. Fuck. But what's crazy is like when I was like a young teenager, like probably 13, I lived in an apartment complex.

And behind the apartment complex, they were demolishing like a bunch of like woods to make a neighborhood. So like I would just play on the construction. section site because that's like heaven for a kid and I was walking and like no joke I tripped and I landed on a stick that was sticking up out of the ground on the same eyeball. How much later was this? I'm like 13 maybe. Fuck me. It hits me like directly in my eye. I like get up and it it felt like when you have like an eyelash stuck in your eye. It was just really annoying and I couldn't get it to go away. And I like was, I walked home and was like, I think there's something wrong in my eye.

And I opened it and it was just red, the entire thing. And they took me to the hospital and I was always getting hurt when I was a kid. But I, yeah, it took a chunk out of my eyeball. And I had to take these like crazy eyedrops that made my eye grow back. And I still have no issues. No problem. other than like a nervous tick where I blink really hard and people love to talk about it in YouTube comments.

Did I? Yeah. No. It's definitely like people have asked me about it because of interviews that I've done. It's just like a nervous thing. But like people have tagged me and stuff asking me if I have Tourette's. But the first comment I ever saw about it, first interview I ever did, of course I watched it.

Of course I read the comments because it was the first interview I ever did. And like the highest comment just said, boy be blinking heart a f it's kind of funny it is yeah well do what you think that's from the eye injuries no i think that i'm just like uh i'm a pretty like reserved like anxious person to a lot of people surprise you know like i feel like a lot of people wouldn't assume that of me but i'm like very quiet and monotone and so like doing anything that kind of like the only thing I'm comfortable doing and receiving attention from is playing a show. It's like anything around that.

I'm sure it's probably happened during this interview. If not, it's because you and I are friends and have been friends for a long time. But like, it still happens. And it'll probably happen now that I'm talking about it. But it's gotten better over the years. And something that's insanely cute,

I know I'm talking so much. No, this is great for me. But something that's insanely cute is. my grandpa definitely like no interest in the kind of music I'm playing but I love him and I talk to him like once a year he calls me on my birthday and he goes hey Brian happy birthday I go thanks grandpa and he goes all right I better get off here and I go all right and then I'll see him sometimes yeah I'll see him sometimes like when I'm home and it's always nice. But we never really talk about the band.

We never really, we just catch up. And my dad one time asked me, he was like, do you have like a blinking thing? And I was like, yeah, why? And he was just like, I've never noticed it. And he was like, but grandpa said that in your interviews, your blinking seems to be getting better. And I was like, he watches. my interviews. That's so cute

and you never even talked about it. Yeah. I mean, for what it's worth, I didn't notice until you said it, so maybe you haven't done it or maybe you have done it and maybe I don't even fucking notice. That's good. Also, it's just fucking blinking. Who gives a fuck? Yeah. What are you doing? In the beginning of like, knock-plus getting interviewed, it was bad. I would be doing an interview, I'd be like

who goes a fuck, though? You're going on the stage and smashing it. You could do whatever you want right here and I'd be like, this guy's fucking sick. Speaking of that, you are fucking sick. We're on a a time crunch here. Thank you for coming. Check out the single. Check out all that shit. I love you.

I hope to see your band soon. I don't want a fucking tour again. My first US tour ever. Stick to your guns. Straight from the path, not loose. Yeah. There was another band, but we didn't talk about that. How crazy is that?

A bunch of crazy lineups. I love you. Fucking good luck with everything. Peace. Peace. Peace.