The Downbeat - CODY ASH: Touring with Jelly Roll, Playing with Eminem & This Drummer Life

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

My guest on the podcast this week is Cody Ash. Cody is the drumming powerhouse behind the country megastar Jelly Roll. We tell the entire story of his career trajectory - from sleeping in a van in metalcore bands all the way to his current gig playing sold out arenas alongside the likes of Eminem and Post Malone.

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat Podcast. My guest this week is Cody Ash. He is a drummer that came up like yours truly in metalcore bands in the heavy music scene. And now he plays for the phenomenal sensation. Jelly Roll moved into more of a country gig. He still gets to let loose on some of his metal chops. Unbelievably drummer. It's a great story. We basically just told his whole life story, which ends in him joining Jelly Roll with a bunch of little tangents that we went. off on. It was a really interesting, great chat. He's a lovely, lovely guy. He's one of the people that are just randomly FaceTime you sat outside a club and we'll just sit and talk for ages. So it's great to actually get him on the podcast. Before we get started, I want to let you know we have a Patreon. Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash the downbeat. On it, you can get early access to episodes. You can get ad-free episodes. You can get early access to merch. Basically, anything I do, you can get it early. It pays for Simon the editor. It pays for Madison. It pays for the room. It pays for the cameras. It basically base for everything so thank you to everyone on the patreon cannot do this without you patron

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Hello. Dude, I'm so happy to fucking be here finally. Can I cuss on this? Yeah, of course you can. You can't say the C word, but Americans don't like to anyway. There's a, is the next letter a U? It is, yeah. Don't you say that a lot? Yeah, I do, but I'm not allowed to say it on here.

Oh, okay. It gets demonetized for hate speech against women. Wow. And the crazy thing is none of my actual hate speech about women gets demonetized, just that word. Just that word. Yeah, it's crazy. There's not like a special thing for, people from the UK.

No, there should be. Do you know what's part of the language? Really fucking funny. Is I spent like 10 minutes getting you set up? Is this how are you going to talk? Are you comfortable and all this shit? And then I start rolling and you go, yeah, so what?

No, it's fine. It's fine. I was just getting close to the mic. Madison, does it look okay when he's grabbing the mic? Am I in the third third? You're in the third third, bro. Oh, it's in the third quarter.

Anyway, we're back. Why was that so good? Why was that so good? We can come back with that. My American accent's getting better. It's really good. Thanks, bro. That was the spot.

You sounded like you went to a college. College football. Dude. Oh, do you feel? I'm fucking sweating. Is it just setting up the podcast? Are you sweating? No, I feel pretty good.

It must have been me saying. You've been working, though. You've been, yeah. I mean, you've been putting it in work. You've got these cameras nice. I fucked up the camera twice. You did, but we're here now. It looks like it's working.

I imagine if everyone's still here, than it's running. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Oh, thank you for having me. I'm so, so stoked to be here. You have no idea. Madison's so stoked.

She had someone to smoke with before the podcast. I do enjoy a good smoke. I can't do it. It's okay. It took me a long time, to be honest. Really? Yeah.

But I wanted to like, I stopped vaping, and that's when I like, well, I've seen you hit. Yeah, so hold on, hold on.

I stopped vaping for two years. And then I like, that's when I started smoking more weed, and then I just started picking up these little things back in February. I can't do, I'll just get anxious. Yeah. I just can't do it.

I used to, bro, when I was in silo, because they, like, in silo, they smoked so much weed and I, like, really didn't smoke back then. And I would just, like, take one hit and fall asleep. And then, like, I would try to keep up with them. And I couldn't at that time. And it was, like, one time I tried to. And I, like, almost passed out. And I was, dude, I was so anxious.

It was terrible. And they smoked first thing in the morning. That's me. That's me having, like, one hit. Yeah. But then when I, when I stopped vapor for, like, two years, then I started smoking a lot and now it's now I can like wake up smoke and you smoke before you play by the way this is t hc a which is legal in the state of nashville yeah yeah you smoke before we're playing

an arena you'll smoke yeah we i would fucking blow my brains i'd be like there's fucking 20 000 people here nope dude the first time the first time i did it was in 2013 i was in canada i was like 19 years old and i hated every second of it it was i was filling in for this band called beyond the sure and it was oh i hated it and then uh yeah then there were times that we would all smoke with jelly like when i first joined with him and like that that kind of condition being to like being more comfortable with it is it a prerequisite no no no no no no no necessarily we were just like we were just all used to when we all used to like hang out all the time back in like when i first joined in like 2021 when it was like smaller he would just be smoking and we'd just

all be kicking it and then he'd pass it around and we'd just smoke and then get high before the set and then I just kind of conditioned into it. Carried on. Yeah. And then it honestly. Yeah. You'll be high. How high though?

How high be talking? I mean, probably smoke about three joints throughout the day beforehand. And normally someone has something lit up in the green room. Do you know Benny that plays for tsunami? No, but I love, I like tsunami a lot. Like just down there. I just like started listening to him. You know how fucking ripping the drummers just in his Instagram?

No, I haven't seen. Oh, bro. He's the best. It's like machine gun. It's like, he's just, just EAD audio, but he's like fully ripping. I like that EAD audio though. It's sick and you can tell that someone's fucking real. But like I hung out with him.

We were like friends online. I helped him get a couple of endorsement type things. And then we hung out at Jera this year. Guy smokes all day. I've never seen anything like it. He like chain smokes joints. Like all day. And then plays a set and he's like,

yeah, I'm fine. And then he's drinking on top of it. I'm like, You're a fucking legend. I wish I was you. That sounds like my kind of guy. I wish I would fucking sort it out. Do you remember me first Matt?

Back in 2017, slam dunk fest. Oh, I absolutely remember, dude. Backstage in some bit. Were you playing for silent then? Dude,

I don't know if I ever told you. I had anxiety about when I met you that day. Dude, I thought I, like, pissed you off. I thought I was... People say this all the time.

And I, like, due to a point where, like, I went to Kevin with Knox and when I, I when I saw that you and him were really tight and I was like yo does Craig fuck with me? I was like I don't know if he fucks with me and this is what I'm saying every time I meet someone I'm like was I really fucking rude no no no I just I caught you like I think I caught you either

right as you were about to go on or like right when you were coming off and I was like bro I was so green back then like I was just so like I knew who you works I love stray and uh like those early records and shit like I you know I listen to those and uh you know I always always admired you like as a drummer so like I met you that that time and I was like so green and probably like really overly excited and uh I don't I remember being a nice interaction it was a nice interaction it was but I like I've overthink everything and I was like pro and I just like come off of him like to whatever I do the opposite yeah and then we like didn't talk for a little bit and I was like that's all I like just got in my head about I was like damn dude I was like just crank not fuck with me and Kevin was like

no dude dude the weed bro yeah and so then we then me and you started chatting and on that FaceTime and I was like, oh, we're fucking boys. Like off the rip. So I was, I was stuck because I remember, I didn't take a bad, it wasn't a bad interaction by any means, but I was like. It could have been, though. 2017, I got divorced in 2019 for, you know, life sucked. Right.

Maybe I was, dude, I feel that. No, you weren't, bro. You, you, you were kind. I just like, I, I didn't, I thought I was just overbearing at that time. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't like, and we had just met. So I was like, dude, like, you're like so sick and this drum fill. And I was like.

I would, I guarantee you I would have loved it. But like, I have a habit. Not even a habit. People will lay a romby, like, I don't think that guy likes me. No, no. It was, like I said, it was, I caught you pre-show when you were either warming up or I caught you post-show when you were like trying to come down. You know what I'm saying?

So it was like, it was just like one of those weird times. And it wasn't like nothing. Like I said, it wasn't a bad interaction by any means. But I was just like, man, I hope I didn't like overstep, like, just meeting this dude for the first time. The only time anyone's ever pissed me off from another band. Like actually, post show was, I'm not even going to say who it is. Oh, you can. Let's get it.

No, because I like him. In fact, we had beef later on and then we squashed the beef. So maybe actually. And I never told him it pissed me off. But he like helped me pack down my drums one day at a show. Yeah. Which is really nice of it. Like did the whole fucking thing like a drum tech real fucking nuts.

I was like, these guys are fucking legend. Got to the show next day. Every single stand packed down to like it's in the box setting. And I had to reset up my old drum kit. But like it didn't piss me off that much. Of course, of course. No one can really piss me off. But I think I've just got an energy, which is like grumpy old man.

No, no, no. Like I said, I was so new and like so green into like that whole world. And like I was still learning how to like, I was still just like a fan. Was that your first proper band? Yeah. Yeah. I mean I was in a local band in Kentucky. And we toured and stuff.

But it wasn't like I booked our tours. So it was. it wasn't like anything of we didn't get anywhere. Where'd you live now? I live down here in Gallatin, Tennessee, but I grew up in Mount Washington, Kentucky. So that's how I know all the knock-dos and stuff. So you didn't travel that far today?

No, no, I'd travel like 35 minutes. I love it. Everyone's fucking here. It's great. Did you hang out with PAC from fucking Kevin Kane, Paxon, called Paxon because he worked at Paxon when he joined, not loose? Did you hang out of them yesterday?

No, I didn't get to. He was fucking FaceTiming me all night. Yeah. And I just didn't pick up. Yeah. I don't, bro, I forgot what I, what I did yesterday, but he called me, he called me at like 11.30. And I was, I was in Bex. I had a meeting at BMI this morning.

Ooh, Flex. No, no, no. And, uh, that was a fucking Flex. Come on. You're not the place. No, no, it wasn't for me. It was for, it was for the bands I manage. Sick.

So it was for them. But that was like really cool. But I had, I had an early, sorry, I guess I couldn't decide. I had an early meeting this morning. And, uh, no, I like the flex. And Kevin was like, Yo, dude, you want to come kick it? He was drunk last night.

Was he? Yeah. Because he like, I did a podcast last night with Aaron Gillespie. Yeah. Finished. And he was like, he definitely wanted me to deliver him a vape. He sent me a text and it was like,

I'm a read the exchange on fucking on camera right now. He wanted you to deliver a text. Check this out. But he goes, Hey, bro, insane question. Can you get vapes delivered in now? Phil. La Mow.

And I said, where are you? And he said, I'm in a hotel room, not very mobile. I don't know if he's injured himself or he can't be asked to leave. He was going to try and like door dash to them.

I don't know if that's a thing. And I was like, what hotel if I'm close enough, I can do it for you? And then he tells me a hotel and it's like, fucking 15 mile away. And he's like,

I was like, why didn't you tell me you here? We could have done a podcast. He's like, I'm a little loose right now. Could have been fun. And then he proceeds to like, FaceTime me like six times, but I was playing Marvel rivals.

So I just didn't pick up. Dude, I'm normally like anytime, I'm normally like if I'm home and not do anything, and I don't have anything to do the next morning. I'll normally get up and go out. But like, yeah, I had that meeting. So he called me to like 1130. He was like, hey, I'm in Nashville. And I was like, how long you been here?

He's like, oh, we had like a rehearsal today. I was like, dude, why didn't you tell me? He was like, man, he was like, I completely forgot just like that I was here. He's like, I forgot I was here. He was like, I forgot I was here. And then he was like, then I was thinking. man who lives here and i was like dude you know i live here like everyone like you know i've been living here and he was like no i know i know he's like come have a drink and i was like bro you know every other

time i would i was like but i actually have to go to sleep this time give me 24 hours notice like maybe even give me 12 hours i don't mind the last minute notice that's like that's fine with me but like normally any other time if i don't have something to do next day but dude i'm so fucking stoked to be dog you have no idea why are you so stoked bro because this do you don't understand what you're doing for the drum community like you i don't maybe you do but i don't know if you see it from my perspective because this is so sick like and also like i said we're friends yeah but i'm i'm i'm a fan too i appreciate that i mean i barely have drummers on anymore so thanks for coming on yeah like i said it's just cool and also just i fucking love

and respect the hell out of you so i same well you got a good story as well so it's like and let's start there yeah let's go straight into the podcast everyone's like these motherfuckers just been sucking each other's yeah we're friends so siler yeah how old were you in siler man I joined siler I think I was 23 and how long did you stay in that

I mean four touring years but we tried to do stuff during COVID but it just like didn't happen so I I don't really count so it like fell off during COVID yeah it was like it was kind of falling off we did this Europe run with Attila and Vailamaya

and all right Dude, it was, it was just really, it was just a really bad time. And I, and I could only imagine, like, what those guys were going through, too. Because we had, like, you know, Siler had been around for a minute at that point. And, you know, I came in in 2016 and things were, we, like, there was, like, a high from the, you know, the Assume record, the Help record doing so good and, like, Assume and Soul Addiction doing well. And we had, like, really cool tours. We were doing war tour and finally going overseas and stuff.

And then we went and did the seasons album. And I don't I just don't think that it was like I think the record is phenomenal. I just don't think that it was what the fans were kind of like wanting or anticipating. And I don't think that Hopeless really knew what to do with it. And they also also there's, you know, just some other internal stuff. Well, with the band, well, with more so like with the label where they like, dude, I mean that the record was sitting at like top top 20. something like that and like Bill Wood.

Hard rock. Yeah, hard rock. Yeah. Still fucking good. Yeah, still, it was still sick. It was,

but it was like on media base, like number, sitting at like number 34 or something and like, they just stopped. They just stopped. It was like, it was like, where this thing was turning and they just stopped.

Like, wait, the band just stopped. No, no, like they stopped putting money into the, you know what I'm saying, to like get it up to number one to where it would like that would have kind of done something.

But, what year is this? This is 20, 18. Yeah. And then, but it was cool because, like, it started off, it started off good. We got, like, the all-or-nothing song on Monday night football and everything was cool,

but it was just the album just ended up not really doing well. And there was, like, a co-headliner tour that we were supposed to do that fell through that kind of ruined the first headliner. And then all of this building up to COVID was just, yeah, and we go over to Europe and, like, right before we went to Europe, like, the label decided not to pick up the second option. And then, like, it just, it was, it just wasn't high spirits. going into Europe.

Europe was with Attila and Vale. Veil. Yeah. And on top of that, all. So you already low spirits. Then you got a tour with Atelah. I love the Atul Boys,

though, man. You know that fan? I don't know of any of that. Oh, yeah. But I, oh, in fact,

actually, I've hung out with one of them, like maybe the guitarist or somebody who's a really nice guy. Yeah, yeah, I tell you, bro, those are like the most, out of my whole touring career,

those are the dudes that have kept in contact with me. Those have been the real, like, the real dudes. And I've always, like, even like, me and shit. Yeah, I have to double that.

I'm only fucking with it. Oh, no, no, no. I know. I'm just saying, like, they get, they, not that you thought this by any means, but they do have a, you know, they'd have a bad rap, but they've been, they've been really good. I think it's the lyrics. Anyway, moving, moving on. But yeah, no, no, so, so, sorry.

We, we go, we go to this Europe tour and, uh, spirits are already kind of down. And then there was just like, you know, Attila and Vailamaya, we're both going through things internally as well. And then, like, we were all sharing a bus where all the bands were just, like, going through something. and then like, I don't know, I can't handle like negativity really well. So I kind of like recluse on that tour. And it was just like I went to stage.

And as soon as I got off stage and showered, I'd like go to my bed or like I'd go explore the town kind of on my own. So did you quit? I didn't quit like really officially. I never, we actually, we like just never really clear. It just kind of like faded. I feel like we played a fest with Siler. Like I want to say 2019 and you didn't play it.

No, I was there 2019. Why didn't I see you there? Yeah. There was no point that you weren't in the band around that time. Yeah, I did everything with them from 2016 to 2020. It was Nova Rock. I remember it. It was a little outdoor stage and it was you guys played,

Touche played on our little stage. Oh, I don't remember this. I might be making this up. I don't remember this. Madison, can you Google, look at that Strawberry Dream. Look at that matching you. that matchup oh damn just look into that camera say drink monster energy drink monster energy look at that matches the hat matches the hair

look that pink steve is anything coming up or am i talking shit what was the last word that you want to meet nova rock sorry n ovaa rock rock like the genre and what we're doing i can't get over your american accent rock nova rock nova rock nova rock nova rock nova festival dude you sound you sound like like an American radio personnel. It's fucking insane. I'm fucking coming for you. Sirius FM.

Oh my God. It's, uh, Siler on Sirius Octane. I want that fucking job. I'm here now. That's you. I'm telling you.

That's you, bro. That's you all day. He's the guy. Let me steal that job. You're going to be the rock channel out of Nashville. You're going to be the new rock channel. You know what?

I'd love to. You can. I'd have to enjoy music more than I do, but I'll pretend. I'll, can pretend. I'll sneak in some black metal on there. Is there anything coming up or am I a fucking idiot? I'm an idiot. To fuck me. It's not you. It's me.

No, it's not. Darling, it's me. We weren't on warp tour together. We were we? I never did. I'm doing my first warp tour next week. No shit. I'm doing warped tour. I mean, warp day. Yeah, yeah. You never did a warped tour? I joined. The last one they did was 2015. I joined November 2015. So they fucking missed it out. Anyway. So how did jelly roll happen? Yeah. So about like 2018, I kind of started noticing. like I kind of start having this epiphany.

I think I'm like 27 at the time and I'm like, dude, I'm not making any. You either do it. Yeah. It was like I'm not making money. I am working for jobs like just so I can like have food on tour and like be able to like live and experience things. And so I was just kind of having this like I don't know what to do. Like how do I make money from doing this? You're spending too much money on tour?

No, no. It was just like I worked a bartending job and I worked secure. and it was like, then I would go on tour and Siler wouldn't make money. Yeah, that's what I mean. So I was like, I would use the meals that I'd make, or I'd use the money I make at home for like meals on the road. Because, you know, we'd only get like five to $10 buyouts. It was like I was working to pay to go on the road.

People don't realize that is like the reality until you sell a thousand tickets. Yeah. And so it was like, you know, did that just for 10 years, basically, from touring with local bands all the way into Siler in 2018, I just kind of hit that revelation of like, I have to figure it something out. Like, I can't do this all the way into my 30s like and not make money.

Like I want to have a house. I want to or, you know, at least be able to rent a house, you know, something, you know, where I can do on my own and shit. And so I started like listening to like a lot more country music. And I remembered that like country music was getting like a little bit heavy. And I was like, damn, I need to like dive into this and really like see what's happening down in Nashville because it was only like a two hour drive for me, two and a half hour drive. and from my hometown.

And so I then noticed that a bunch of country drummers for like big artists were like already following me and I was like, oh, that's cool. So then I like followed him all back and I was like, yo, sorry I didn't see your follow. I was like, I love what you're doing.

Like we'd love to get lunch or something and so. Wait, like who? Jake Summers from Luke Combs. Miles. Yeah. Dude, then these are all good dudes. You see if these motherfuckers following me. I need a job, boy. You should, bro. I'll tell you that probably does right now, Miles Stone. Miles Stone. I think his Instagram. He plays

Druss for Cody Johnson, who's my favorite country artist. You say all these names and they mean nothing to me. That's okay. No, like it annoys me that it means nothing to me. Oh, I don't have service. What's it, Miles Stone, MDS drums. Yes, yes. Follow back. Yeah, that's the guy. Boom. Who else we got? Got Jake Summers. Already following. him drama for luke combs i know who luke combs is 7.3 million followers of course i do i'm already following him he's already mark okay um mark taco drums mark taco drums i would say taco mark let's do leave all he goes by taco he doesn't follow me oh drama slash md for morgan wallum yeah that's a good thing that's a big one that's a good one mark follow without a follow

back. See how that goes. We'll see if that comes through. Stay tuned on the pod to see if Mike's on the... I'm gonna do this last one. I'm gonna punch you with one last one. You gotta follow this guy. Who's this? He used to play drums for Ernest but he wrote like Broadway girls and all this stuff. He's hands down the...

The nastiest country drummer. Grady block. Nastyest drummer. Is that his real name? Yeah. Keep all these in because I want people to follow these people. Dirty 615. That's where we are brother. See, I can do that. That dude make, I've never seen a guy, like, I've never seen someone make a drum set just so

musical, like for country. He's, he's one of my favorite drummers out of Nashville, like, one of my favorite country drummers. Sick. Okay, right. So you basically just took the initiative to start following all these guys because they followed you already. Yeah, so I, like, followed them and just was like, yo, let's get lunch, like, let's hang out,

whatever. So I ended up, like, coming down here and hanging out with Jake, Summers. And there was a drummer named Kenny Dixon. who used to play for Kane Brown. I know that one. Kenny sadly passed away. Fuck. Yeah.

I think it was in like 2019. But he actually was like, he was one of the ones that I noticed followed me. And I like started hanging out with him. And he actually was one of the first ones that bring me like backstage to like a country show where I like, that's when I saw like Rich Redman who plays for Jason Aldeen. And like, you know,

just like had my first like interaction in that world. And so I just started coming to Nashville all the time. And that's when I started managing one of the bands that I have called Devil's Cut. And I had them. What do the devil's cut sound like? They're like country metal. Yeah, that's something like big thing right now, isn't it? Yeah, well, they were doing it back in like 2019.

Like they were coming out when like before Hardy was putting breakdowns in his stuff too. So it was like them and Lakeview were kind of coming up at the same time. Lakeview is the one that I know. Lakeview kind of is in the more country route and Devil's Cut is kind of more in like the metal core. cool but with country accents over it i like some of that like i'll check them out yeah i love some that like some of that late few shit i'm like that's kind of sick yeah yeah they uh it's pretty cool they got some cool riffs but uh so the producer they were working with ended up getting hired out of jelly rolls studio um i don't know how that happened he was down here one night and they

met her and you know he moved him down here so yeah uh he started working out of his studio so we started coming to nashville to record and then through that just meant a lot of other people and started putting them in rooms, which is like country writers and just anybody else that we would kind of meet down here that was in the country world. So taking rock and metal songs to country. And so I was in Jelly Studio all the time. And then through that, I just started coming down here on my own outside of coming down here to write with them. And just they started letting me like sleep at the studio. And I like became friends with like his managers and security. Not even like meaning to. They were just like, they just put me up and, you know. Smoking at weed.

Yeah. They just put me up. up and knew that, you know, knew they could trust me and whatever. And then I guess some of them had seen my drum videos just from like Andrew Bayless talking about it. And, um, uh, who was, sorry, who was the producer that Devils Code was working with. And, um, I actually was the second call. So what I was like, do you know who the first was? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this dude named Jham. Um, he, he, he plays. Is he know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're boys. We're boys. He, uh, apparently he just wasn't wanting the tour to, I guess, the extent that Jelly was wanting to or something. That's how I understand it, at least.

Yeah. But, and then I got the second call, and I just drove to Nashville immediately. I was, like, at work at the vape shop and fucking locked the door. I called my buddy, locked the door, and I was like, yo, I need you to cover the store. And I went and packed drums and went down here and then learned. Did you, do you learn a song? Or did you, yeah. I got handed 18 songs that we might play on the drive down.

to rehearsal and then got here that worries me because i hear that a lot about these country gigs it's like you might play one of these it's like i'm sorry what i don't think i've ever learned 18 songs in my life and so so got got the 18 songs that we might learn made a playlist just listen to them on the drive down here thinking i'm going into rehearsal to go into these songs because we have a show in two days yeah and i get down here and they're like oh we're not going to rehearse jelly wants to go to a steakhouse i mean fucking sick so respect. So we go

we fuck off rehearsals. Wait, you have the gig by this point. No, this is, this is my first introduction to jelly. But then you said you have a show in two days? Yeah.

So you're, they've hired you for this show. Yeah, they hired me like, based on videos on Instagram. Yeah, based on, yeah,

based on, and there are people, like he had like, eight people coming to him and be like, yo, get this kid, get this kid,

just because I was like around his camp. And so then I'm like, yo, we got to like rehearse, man. I just got handed 18th song. It was just crazy. We ended up going to the steakhouse, and I'd like never had,

we went to Jeff Rubies, and I'd never had a spotlight. I couldn't afford a place like that. So I'd never experienced ballet or like done any shit. How big is Jerry Roll at this point? At this point, he was, Save Me had come out,

and he hadn't played a show since Save Me had came out, so they didn't, there wasn't really a scale of what was like about to happen. Yeah. But his shows before that were anywhere between like 700 to 1500 camera.

So he's like on the up. Yeah, yeah. And then Save Me came out during COVID and that's when it like exploded. But so then we go to Jeff Ruby's. I'm sitting next to jelly. He noticed that I'm like nervous because I'm like tripping out over 18 songs, of course, because that's my first time ever having to do that. And he's like, man, you just need to take some shots.

I was just about to say you're about to tell me he did what I would do in this situation. So we started taking shots and then it ended up just turn it to a part. party night. And then it's 4 a.m. when we get a text that says rehearsals at 9 in the morning. And I was like, oh, sick. I'm going to be hung over shit. And then end up making it there at 9. No one else made it there until 11. And so I sat in there and like when look, that's a good look. It was a good look. So I walked in, had the drum set up. And I started like playing through the stuff. And I was like, dude, I feel sick. So I like went and laid down. Then everybody else showed up. We rehearsed for like five hours and did not have it like. But, like,

Perfect, but we had it well enough to where, like, Casey, the guitar player was like, well, you know, I'll just like nod when you need to like stop. And he's like, you know, be behind the group, like, make sure you whatever. And I was like, all right, cool. He's like, I know this is like a lot to intake. And because they had had, they had been starting rehearsals throughout that week. But like they, it was only jelly Casey and his brother, but they were going to play this like big outdoor festival and had their management was like, yo, you need another guitar player.

and then like the drummer showed up and... Oh, they had a different drummer. Yeah, yeah. They had a drummer that was with them, but when he showed up, apparently, there was still like cobwebs on the kit and he didn't remember the material. They ended up having to let him go.

And then they flew Jack in that day, the day that the drummer was... The other guitarist, yeah, the other guitarist, yeah, which he was in sleeping with Sirens. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know the guy, yeah. So he comes from that world, too, or the war tour world,

But, yeah, so they flew him in that day because Jack had wrote on some jelly records when Jack lived here. And then the day that Jack got there was the night that I got the call. And then the next morning, I got the official call and then drove down. And then we had the first rehearsal as a band as me, Jack and Casey on Friday afternoon for like four or five hours. And then when is the show Saturday? Saturday. And so after that rehearsal, they packed up the trailer. And it was my first time on the bus.

So that was like really cool. Really? You hadn't done a bus before? No. That's my only criteria for doing a new movie podcast. Obviously, I don't have a band now. I'm like, all I give a fuck about is literally everything you just touched on when you were just like, fuck, I need to make this work. It's like, I just want to be paid like a job. Yeah.

I want to be paid like a job. And I want to fucking sleep in like non-human rights violating scenario like a bus. That's it. That's all they fucking want. I could do have for the rest of my fucking life. That's last straight-toe that we just did. we had like a baller bus because we started it on one of those little mini sleeper things

and we're splitting up anyway and about four days in everyone individually had come to me and gone I think I'm gonna go home and then I was like I think I'm gonna go home and then we had a chat and we're like should we just make less money and get a bus? Yeah.

We've got this sick fucking bus. Hell yeah. And then I was like I could not split up. If we were just doing this for the last fucking four years I could just not split up. That's all I fucking need. It's a dream.

Damn. I didn't know you got split up. You didn't know? I didn't know that. Yeah, we're splitting up. Oh, that breaks my heart. Damn. Yeah, good for me.

I need a gig, bro. Let's get lunch. All right. Yeah, we're going to lunch. Dude, I'm telling you, I'm keeping ear to the fucking floor. Please, because that's my dream. All I want to play in this is specifically, like, you in my, we're going to carry on about that, that show in a minute.

But like, what you have specifically, not that I'm coming for your job, but like, is dream gig for me. Right. It's like someone else's. songs there are sections where you get to let loose but for the most part like you're not designing other than the fucking pork chop shit which we'll get to you're not like designing jellyroll's merch no you're not like no stray is like what tour are we doing next who are the supports on it what's the merch spread all of this shit plus not enough money and then it's just like dream

dream gig is like let me play the fucking drums when i started to play the drums that's what i thought the job was going to be just play the fucking drums right right right just want to sleep want to play the drums ideally with someone who will say something like we've got a rehearsal tomorrow you should do fucking four shots and i go about apps are fucking looted i should like that's my dream fucking dude you got it bro i can't believe that that's crazy to me because normally like i feel like bands pray for a drummer that wants to just like sit back and chill and not have to do anything because that's like what normally a lot of drummers before i joined tom was doing it all and then i i mean obviously dragon neck does all the fucking music videos so it's like not you know he

has no capacity left you know he does chip in but it's like he's doing enough fucking chip but like when i joined and tom was like this this this lessens the load and then the downbeat stuff popped off you complimented this t-shirt earlier yeah that t-shirts obviously why are we then not thank you mate obviously why are we then not going to use me to do some merch designs but then it's like and it becomes like now i'm doing far more for the same amount of money and it's not that I'm being paid badly by the band is the band doesn't make enough yeah yeah my dream put me on a fucking bus with some boys and let me just play the fucking drums that's coming that is that's the thing bro i mean dude i i i didn't even like like i said dude i i so

well i guess i can say it after i finish it sorry um because it will just transition into it but yeah so then we got on the bus and went to this mud park show and i was going to say what was the show yeah so we like pull up in this first show i play with him is this fucking mud park bro. Never had an... I'm from England. What the fuck is a mud park? Dude, imagine every...

Imagine rednecks with fucking money. Like rich motherfucking rednecks that have big ass truck, like, we're talking jacked out trucks, razors, four by fours, four-wheelers, dirt bikes, everything in this massive mud park. And then we got like... Wait, I still don't know what a mud park is. So a park is like this a huge, huge field with trails to take your razors and... I bought some razor, bro. Razors like a...

I'm never getting that country, you know? I don't know the fucking... No, you don't have to. It's like, it's like just like a little vehicle with like four, it's like four tires, just like just a little vehicle that it has two, it can have two seats, you can have four seats. A golf car. Yeah, but it's enclosed and it goes really fast.

And so you can rip it through the woods. And dude, it's awesome. They have like this really long like 20 to 30 foot, 20 to 40 foot long like, oh, that may be. I'm just kidding. That was so stupid. It's like a 40 yard long. Like a 40 yard long.

mud pit, big difference, 40-yard-long mud pit, and you just see these like four-wheelers sitting 15 feet in the air just going through this mud pit getting stuck and then like everybody dude, it's so soon. In my head, did you ever watch biker mice from Mars? No. No, hold on. Madison, do you know what biker mice from Mars is? I don't. No one knows what this cartoon is. It's basically a bunch of biker mice from Mars. Biker mice? Biker mice from Mars. but anyway

I feel like they hung out in mud parks quite a lot that's not a bike of mice oh that's look at the size of the wheels and we're stuck wait is that the show

yeah this was this was before the show okay hang on well well well okay so you got stuck on the way to the show no no no we're at the show

but we went off on the trails so it's like all part of when they have like a stage set up and then they like then that's where like the concert is and then they'll have like multiple different trails

and big old like mud pits for people to go through and you can get out. So you went and did it and then you got stuck. Oh, hell, yeah, I was going, budding. Yeah, the people that we got, people we were with got stuck. And so we... How long before the show did you get stuck? Send me that photo so I can have it overlaid.

Can you send me that video as well? Absolutely. That's, okay, that's, no, you've set the scene. Oh, yeah. Hold on. Your first show, you know this? Yeah, just because I, like, didn't know the songs. Fuck, I'm trying to find this other photo from like this first gig.

Look at this truck. Oh, okay. It's a monster truck. Yeah, it's like monster trucks and like... Is that the wrong word? No, no, no. I mean, that's a monster truck. Okay.

But the other one I showed you wasn't. They just had their, they just had like big 40s on it. Oh, I know what a monster truck is. Monster trucks from Mars. Anyway, come on. Tell me a fucking story. That was it. Stop going for, yeah.

No, no. No, no. No, no. So, yeah, we like, so, my bad. Yeah. I was just show, I was obsessed for showing you in the mud park. Dude, we have to take you more down. Send me all the photos and I'll have them that we overlaid while we told the story.

So the shows that night. So shows, yes, shows at night. And man, I'm, I mean, I'm just nervous because it's like, I don't want to fuck up this dude's set. And also in my headlining. Yeah, headlining. And also this is like my introduction in Nashville. And I'm like, you know, I want to keep this gig. And not knowing what it was going to turn into, I was just like, this is going to be a, this guy's from here.

He knows whatever. Yeah. And we step out. And there are 7,000 people out there. And I was like, that was a biggest show I'd ever played. Like, before that, even we. We, Siler played Rock on the Range, and I think our crowd was 5,000. So it was like, I'd never head, A, never headlined, B, never seen that many people

for someone I was playing with. And, like, C, never been on a bus. And it was like, it was, you know, it's just a shock. And then we just had a fucking blast. And it was like, he encouraged, like, we were, like, we could drink and have fun. And, like, dude, it was, it was just a whole new world that I had just, like, never seen. And I was like, this is incredible. When you say, we could drink and have fun, do you?

mean on stage. Yeah, yeah. Like, I have beers on stage. Like, I could have beers before the stage. Like, yeah. I took a couple of tours off drinking before stage, including the one that we just did. And towards the end of the tour, I really wanted to go home. So I started having just a couple before.

And in fact, on the last show, I was like, let me see if I can break my beer record. And I made my drum take. Because the first night, I got new drum tech on the last door. And the first day, because I was on, sorry, I was on this tour, I was having, like, two beers while we're playing, like over the hours there, I'd sip on two beers. And while we're talking about it before, I was telling Logan my new tech, I was like, if I do this, it means go get me a beer. Yeah, yeah.

Because I want it to be cold. I don't want to be on the fucking stage. And Tom just as a joke, he's just like, no, he's not allowed beer, just as a joke. Then the show happens, and I ask Logan for a beer, doesn't fucking get me one. Didn't get me one for the whole show, because he took Tom's authority over mine. Oh, no. So I had to, like, suitably punish him. And I was like waiting to do what can I do to punish him.

And it was like one of the last shows festival, Green Room's really fucking far away. By this point he knows he's allowed to give me a beer. I made him go and get me nine beers. And but only in like two beer settings. Like he'd give me two and I drink them and I'd be like, do more beers? And he'd have to go walk all the way, run all the way to the Green Room.

Because I'd come back quickly in case something happens. Run, get me the two beers, come back. But I'll tell you this. Fuck, I love playing drums with a couple of... Obviously, responsibly. I love playing drums with just a little buzz. Yeah. Just a little buzz.

Yeah, I feel that. I like to... I prefer to smoke. Like I said, I like to smoke for the set. Drinking for the set makes my... I feel like full when I drink, but I like to drink a lot after the set for sure, responsibly.

Responsibly. Yeah, ideally drink Monster Energy. Drink Monster Energy on Octane. I can do the... the fucking voice. Sign me the fuck up. Madison hates my fucking American accent. She says it's bad. He's saying it's good.

She's a hater. You hear American accent. Come on. There's just times that you say words. Not correctly. What do you mean in my English one or my American one? In your American one. Yeah. Like what? Hold on. What words does he not say correctly?

I'll probably just say him in the way an English person. You say it super exaggerated. Oh. Well, yeah. an American accent. Orange, orange. It's not like a natural American accent. Take a look in the mirror.

Yo, that sounds like some women I've heard. I feel like I've heard that. Why don't you go take a look in the orange mirror? Orange. Okay? Orange. Orange. Orange is the one that bothers her. Orange.

Orange. I think it's good. I mean, I'm fucking orange. Orange. I can't do. I can't do your accent. Me trying to do that accent. It's just a.

Let me go. Say bottle of water. Get your bottle of water. That's pretty good. You get a bottle of water. Yeah, it's pretty good. You just got a mumble. A bottle of water.

The one that is the most hard to understand in my accent is, okay, say this word, P-O-O-O-L. P-O-L. Yeah, pull. Okay, say this word, P-A-U-L. Paul. Say this word, P-U-L-L-L. Pool. Pool.

Pool. Pull. Yeah, I never put that together, actually That's true My mate, Paul, pulled at the pool At the pub, at the pub No, at the pool, at the pool, P-O-O-O-L, and then Paul, P-A-U-L

Anyway, he played this fucking show Well, you have an actual friend named Paul that played a show No Oh, okay That's the weed talking, bro, come on No, I was just saying I focused to say a sentence

That my friend Paul Yeah, played a pool at the pool. I would say, my mate, pulled at the pool. Yeah, no,

no, and then I said it at the pub. Oh, at the pub. Yeah, but pub's fine. Ball and ball. Ball and ball and ball is pretty similar.

Paul, pool. Okay, yeah, I guess so. Pull. Pool. Pool?

Pull. Pull. And then we went to the pool. And then we went to the pub. It's like that there's an S&L skit and it's like Bill Hader and Fred Armisson. And it's when you watch in English, it's like, when you watch the English.

English show without the subtitles on it. It's like, nah, yam, yeah, you don't fucking yeah, yo,

are you enjoying Tennessee? Has it been an adjusting out here? Were you in, did you go to, did you live in L.A.? No, okay, you went from UK to here.

Yeah, how's that? I love it. You love it. I thought, we're gonna come back. This is like, the whole podcast

is your story. Okay, I like these little segways. This is good. We'll do this bit and then we'll come back and it's gonna keep people, watch all those fucking ads.

Watch all those ads because you want to hear what's coming next. on serious octane. Sorry. I just, I just, serious octane.

I fucking love it. It's the best. Good. Like, and everyone's like, why didn't you go to L.A.? Why didn't you go to New York? And here's the thing.

If I was fucking rich as fuck, I probably would have went to New York because Brooklyn's are my favorite place on fucking Earth. Oh, really? Like, I love it. But, in terms of the podcast,

I had three places in my mind in general. So the whole move was basically, aside from love, was for business. I've always wanted to do it for business. Of course. And then love sort of sped it up a little bit. So like I was always L.A., Nashville or New York.

And in 2023, I did like, I traveled here to do some podcasts in Nashville. And I had seven days and I had 10 guests in the seven days. And I had like 10 more that scheduling couldn't do. Scheduling, sorry. There's another word I say differently. Wait, what do you guys say? You say schedule or schedule? Schedule.

Oh yeah, I say schedule, yeah, fuck. That might even just be me. You might not even be the UK. I would say, schedule's a new one. So like, it completely like, I was just like, wow, this is just the place to do the podcast. And then when it came down to it, I was like, I'd rather live in Brooklyn. But then I looked at rent and property and then rent on a drum room and rent on a podcast place and all that stuff. I was like, I just can't do it.

LA, I don't like. Yeah. And then I was like, well, I've already got a drum kit in Nashville. I really hadn't been to that many places in Nashville, but I was like, I already have a drum kit here. I've got a lot of friends here. Yeah. We're good for business.

Let me just do it. Yeah. And then, like, we moved here. I got, I hit Madison up. And I was just like, and we were just, like, just dating by that point. And I did the whole fucking Pisces thing where I was just like. You're a Pice's too. Oh, shut the fuck up.

Oh, when'd your birthday? February 21st. March 19th. Let's go. Let's go. Do you like crying? You like emotions? You like dreamers?

Exactly though. But like I was like, I'm going to move to Nashville. Do you want to come? And she went, yeah. And that was it. So I love it. Love being here. It's been great for the podcast.

Great for everything. But like I know key just like the people are so much nicer here than they are in New York or L.A. I agree. New York's a bit closer to British. in terms of like bluntness. Yeah. But like in essence everyone's just being really patronizing to me.

What are you frown in her? I was laughing. Oh, I thought you were just disagreeing. Like in terms of, unless anyone's just being... After talking about bluntness. That was awesome. Dude, what a good timing.

Sorry. Sorry. I don't... That was awesome. She's fine. She's got her favorite music. The AC's on. Please don't smash the window.

Um... No, but like Dogs, fine. Unless anyone, everyone is just being patronizing to me, everyone's so friendly. And you know what? I also love, I love being British here

because everyone's just like, so excited. Yeah, so excited. I love that. What are you doing here? Oh, it must be music.

And I'm like, yeah, it is. And then we just have a little fucking chat. Oh, bro. People love accents here. I've got no intention of going back to the UK. I respect that.

Damn, I got to bring you to Kentucky. We got to go to Kevin's bar. Hey, there's a, there's a REN fair in Kentucky. What's that? That we want to go. A Renaissance fair? Yeah. Oh, I've never been a one, but they look fun.

There's one in Kentucky. There's one in Kentucky. I don't know. Maybe Louisville. Yeah. Then that's a spot. Let's go. Let's dress up.

We went to one. I'll put the photo there. We went to one dressed up. Oh, dude. I would look. Hell yeah. I went, what did I even go at? It's like a black metal night, kind of.

I bought a flail. Did you get a real life flail? Do you have like the chain armor? No, I had like straps. And then she did my makeup. What else did I have? Like, armband things. I looked like I was in a blackmail band.

She went as like a Kitsunei, like a mythical, what's a definition of a Kitsunei? It's a Fox demon. Like a Fox demon. I'll tell you what, we had some crazy sex when we got home. Dude, hell, yeah. All dressed up. It was fucking nuts.

It's like, is this okay? I'm technically. You're a nice. a fucking fox right now. Like, babe, was this cool? We're like borderline.

Borderline, uh, it's close. I was going to say furry. It's close. Borderline hitting the furry. Oh yeah, it's more furry actually.

Damn, that's fucking. That sounds fun. A bowl of milk and everything. It's great. Dude, I'm, I like that you love in Tennessee.

Honestly, not that my opinion matters on what your move, but I think that you being here is like one of the greatest things that you could have, done like just for yourself and especially like hearing where you're like wanting to be you know what saying because so many so many countries like so many like artists out here like want you to be here and then also like rehearsals happen out here too and it's just like so so such an easy place to like network with everyone and then like L everybody from L.A. is already coming out here to record

and write and do all that stuff anyway so it's like yeah I think national is like a really like good spot to me I think and I think I know you like New York but I think it's like so busy and like oversaturated at least the the music and you just and also all those gospel dudes kind of got those gigs locked down and you can't really like I don't know what I'm looking for I don't think I'm looking for hired gun shit really unless it's touring yeah like I don't particularly I'd like to get a call and it's just like hey come track these drums and I'll go do it right but like I want what happened with you admittedly you did a little bit more networking but like people saw your Instagram was like and they pretty much made up their mind

and then you hung out and then you did the rehearsal and then that's it yeah i want that like i haven't got the time because of the podcast i haven't got the time to like go to a country bar and meet people and be like hey i play the drums brother well that's what that's what you got the boys for because we'll be out i'm dude i'm telling you i'm it's i i get hit up well it did it was more when i was like well you've hit me up a couple of times actually for things but i didn't live here right right right it'd be much easier yeah like that they people reach out to me like all the time for like last minute stuff. So it's like if I, you are,

I can't wear a cowboy hat. I'll do my serious octane voice. I don't, I mean, dude, you're, you're an incredible human, so I don't, there's no one that deserves to get where they want.

What a fucking, you know what I'm saying. For real, right? Thanks, me. So are you. I'm happy for you. Let's continue with your story because people will be fucking,

it is such a great story. Yeah. So you play the show. Do you make any mistakes? Yeah. Uh, I definitely did not stop. on some parts that meant to be stopped on but like wow that's a big one yeah and like so like you

were supposed to ring out a crash or just he would be like dad do do do do do to back in kind of thing and um i would try to because he was the guitar player was like trying to pull me down with it and and it wasn't even like things that were that was like crazy that the crowd yeah like the crowd wouldn't have noticed you know what I'm saying but like jelly i mean jelly came off stage and was like I was awesome and I was like really like you think so and I was like I think I could have been better. He's like, he's like,

dude. He's like, he's like, first show, bro, this is, this is when I like, found out who he was as a person.

I played one of the worst shows that I had ever played in Columbus, Ohio. We had all, fucking Madison. Ohio. We had all been drinking before. This was,

this was in 2021, I think. And we'd all been drinking before. I had actually, honest, to be real with you, I'd actually fell off the stage that day and hit my head.

That drunk. Yeah. that, no, I didn't know how the, this is before I started drinking. All right. I, like, didn't know the depth of the stage when I was setting up. And I just got my new Maypex kit.

And so I was, like, walking back to just admire it. And it was at the venue in whatever one's in Columbus, not stage A.E. Not the one that Donnebag was shot out. No, no, no, no. It's like a, it's like a 5,000 cap, like, outside venue. Oh, yeah. Something live, whatever, it doesn't matter. But just walked off and didn't know where I was and just.

fell off the stage. It was like a three foot drop, or three or four foot drop, it was like, during sound check. Before sound check. Yeah, I like just set drums up. And, uh, but no one saw it. Like no one saw that happened. And so I was like already pissed off about that. So I'd kind of just like started drinking about it. And by the time we went on stage, I was, I wasn't drunk, but I was like a little tipsy, but I went out and I just, I mean, not that the crowd would notice. You know what I'm saying? I was just frustrated with myself that I could have played better. So when I came off stage, I was visibly frustrated and just mad that I made the decision. And, and, whatever and Jelly came in the green room and he was like

he's like man that was a great show and I was like I was like dude I played like shit he was like he was like did you play like shit and I thought so and he goes I didn't hear anything he said did you have fun and I said well yeah and he goes then that's all it matters and he walked out and he was like give me that boss he said take a shot and let's go and I was like oh I love him I don't know him I love him dude it was um in that moment I was like man this guy like is

genuinely he like to he wants us to have a good time like he cares about us having a good time so it was like I see him on interviews and every time I'm like this guy's fucking rocks it's awesome and so you know I obviously this was like at a point this was at a very different point in like his life

you know because now he he doesn't drink or do anything and he's on his health journey and it's he's in a really really good place of that oh dude he's lost over 200 pounds like he's oh yeah like all natural 200 pounds yeah he was how big was he was high fours, low fives.

Really? Fuck. And yeah, he's down to like, I think a little bit over. I don't know the exact. I don't know the exact way. I just know that he's lost 200 pounds. Jesus Christ. More than no way.

Yeah. And he's, I think he's in his twos now, to be honest. I think he's in 200s. But anyways, yeah, so he, you know, he hasn't drank or done anything. Is he going to change his name? He smokes weed. No, God, no.

No. No. I don't know. if that's anything to do with that. Fucking terrible joke. Slim jelly. Slim roll. Slim gym.

Slim gym. Slim gym. Slim gym. Remind. Slim gym now. Deal with it. Yeah. No.

So it was like, you know, different time. But yeah, it was, that's just kind of when I saw that like, like, I don't know. I always, like, felt that like this was the gig that I belonged in just from my background with drumming. From like loving, you know, growing up in small town America to, to, falling in love with metal and then touring with metal and um you know then becoming obsessed with gospel drummers and then is it is it less stress to not i don't i assume you don't play much double kick unless it's like a solo uh yeah i don't like have to play double kick of any double kick that i put in there is just like sheerly out of choice um fucking dream and i also i'm like cleaner with double kick

than i am with single as far as like with like stutter stuff or like yeah me too stuff so i like i like I can space it out more just because I did it more on double kick growing up learning drums and I did sing. I do that as well and there's a lot of people online that are like, oh, you're cheating by two-footing this. It's like, my brother, if you're not playing with triggers, like, you want me to hit the drum as hard as I can or you want me to just go like and then the gate, especially on a country gig, they must have those drums so cleanly gated. Right. Those two hits are not coming through. Well, they have to do, they have to trigger the drums. They triggered.

They have to for whatever gate gating purposes. Oh, it's got the gate there, the gate trigger on it. That's kind of cool. Anyway, tell me back to this show. You do the show,

a couple of fuck-ups. What happens immediately afterwards? Nothing. We all partied. It was awesome. You knew if you got the gig or did you already know? Oh, no.

I just, there was never, it wasn't like a, hey, you got the gig. You've just been there ever since. Yeah, he just, I was either going to.

There was it. There was no conversation ever. No. He's never said, do you want to, join my band? No. This motherfucker

I thought we weren't together until I fucking asked her. Well, you never asked me. I thought it was fucking in tight. I just, I was like, man, like. So you're not in that band

according to her? Well, he told me, he came up to me and told me I was his drummer, but not like after that show, you know what I'm saying? But like, it was like,

he, I just always kept, they were just like, hey, we have show this day. Hey, we have show this day. And then it was like, we're his band. and he's kept us around ever since.

So it's like, it's been really cool. You know what I'm saying? It's... Now you're playing like legitimate, fucking insane shows. Bro, we need to... I got two... I got two segways. Yeah.

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that that is a sentence I know I get to say it is fucking in his hometown at Ford Stadium. It's crazy. I've never heard a crowd in my life go so insane.

When did you know it was going to happen? Right before we went on stage. No way. We got the text the night before that said, hey, learn lose yourself. You Eminem might come. And then the next day, they were like, hey, you guys, we weren't supposed to have a sound check.

And they were like, hey, immediate sound check. M's team is coming to make sure that you. you guys to fill em's team is coming to film you guys sound checking the song to get approval for eminem to show up and so respect to him because that's just the the best way to do it so his dad security team and some other people on this team show up to our sound check what was the first word you said his dad his dad his dad his security his team i don't know but his dad's the one that filmed it so emm's dad's got you on his phone yeah yeah rehearse it his dad his dad That's so sick.

So it was, we rehearsed it. And then his team went out to the front of the catwalk and filmed us playing the whole song. And then, uh, even after that, we didn't hear anything. They just, his team and family came out to us like, dude, this is incredible. Like you guys said great. So we were like, all right, cool. And, but we didn't know what was going to happen. And as we walk on stage, I see on the set list that lose yourselves on there.

So we were like, oh, shit, it was coming out. And then right before Jelly goes, like the song before, um, he came out. Jelly went into the talkback mic. It was like, hey, is M over there? And they were like, yeah, we got M in. And I was like. And your asshole went, I was like, oh shit, dude.

I was like, I mean, I was just ecstatic. I was just like, I can't believe. This was happening. Like, dude. How much of the song did you play? The whole thing. If you were one of those real lame people, and they do exist,

you could put an annual bio. You can put that in your bio, like drums, with jelly roll. Are you done Post Malone? You've ever done a song with Jerry Roll? Yeah. On stage? Yeah.

Are you playing drums? Get it in the bio. Post Malone. That's my fucking dream gig. Give me that fucking gig. Dude, Phil. Phil is awesome. Who's Phil?

Fuck, Phil. Phil plays drums for post country project. Oh, yeah. No, I want the fucking, I want the old one. Not I don't like the new one, but I know. Oh, yeah, the hip-hop stuff. They did some really cool stuff on that tour with his hip-hop songs.

It was actually really cool to see how about it. I like his country stuff, but I, where am I going with this? Because I want the job, so don't shoot yourself in the foot. If he ever wants to go back, because I know that guy likes stray.

I know that guy likes fucking... For sure. He's a metal court. Yeah. Yeah. I'm waiting for that metal core era or post my own. I'm really go,

all right, bro. Hey. We've met before. Give me the fucking geek. He goes into his metal shit. Oh, dude, that'd be sick of him. posted a metal record. I can't believe he hasn't yet.

He should and I should play the fucking drums on it. There it is. You fucking, you heard it. You can put all those in your bio. You can be, don't, please don't. Absolutely. People do that. But playing with Eminem has to be, I think it's it's not the coolest thing anyone I know

has ever done. You want to know the coolest part about, and believe me or not, but if I'm taking away as dad. No, no. That, like, that, getting to do that was insane but believe or not when I say the coolest part of that night for me personally

was our keyboard player Matt Ferranti he is listen to how crazy this is this is for him he's from Flint Michigan it was his birthday nice played Ford Field Stadium sold out

and had and performed lose yourself with Eminem in Detroit. On his birthday? What birthday was it? Do you know? Did it start with a zero? Because if it did, then that's, I mean, he's going to remember it forever. Imagine that was like your 40th birthday.

Would you do for your 40th? I'll play with Eminem. Yeah. Dude, I think he's 40 now, actually. I think he's 39 at 40. If he's 40, I mean, it doesn't matter if he's 39 or 40. But imagine, like, people just going like, oh, man, yeah, you're 40. How did you do?

I just played with Eminem at the stadium. All I could think about was just like what that moment was. like for him. I was just like, dude. I mean, this, you know, I was like obviously enjoying the moment for myself too, but I would just look over and I'm just... Did you lose yourself in the mind? Yeah, that was nice. That was an eight. That was a good one. Honestly. Been watching, uh, been watching Mormon secret lives of the Mormon wives. You've been watching that? No, but do they, do they show? Do they do, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Oh, fuck.

What are you talking about? Because they do 808. Let me tell you. We're watching this dog shit program called Secret Lives in the Mormon Wives. It's called Soking. What's Soking? What's soaking? I don't know if this is something that someone just...

Do you know what soaking is? Okay. So what I heard... Before you say the definition, I heard soaking. I was told in a Mormon community, just correct me if I'm wrong, I was told this soaking is when... Because Mormons like don't have sex, right?

They're not supposed to have sex on marriage. Apparently. Well, it's when they, a male, okay, lays down and a female goes on top. And their friends jump on the bed. So they're not actually the ones physically doing things. So they, that's one of their ways around sex. But the penis.

But they're not doing it. The people are jumping on the bed making the motion. But surely. the penis in is the start of sex. It is, but soaking also is, there will be penetration and there will just no movement. So they could just lay there like that. And that's not considered. It's considered sucking.

It's not considered sad. I'm sorry to any Mormons listening, but I have a history of looking at your fucking religion and it's absolutely bonkers. Like, you just make shit up. The whole thing with the guy, got cheating on it, caught cheating on his wife. And he was like, I was in the woods. And someone told me I'm supposed to have more worries. And they went, oh, okay.

Soaking. Are you fucking for real? Dude, I'm telling you. I think it's a real thing. Surely the penetration is the act of sex. I think it's, is it not, I don't know. I think the definition of sex has to have movement. Pull up the definition of sex.

It has to have movement, I think. Of what? Sex, just straight up sex. S-E-X. Sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse. Yes. That is the definition. Give me the definition of sexual intercourse.

It's not going to tell us movement. It's not going to say, it might not. Penis has to go up and down. Sexual contact between individuals involving penetration, especially the insertion of a man's erect penis into a woman's vagina. Incerction. Nothing about the movement. Soaking debunked.

Soking is debunked. Debunked. Debunk. You guys are having sex. Y'all are having sex. And you're going to fucking hell. let me tell you anyway so soak me daddy where were we right we did m&m we did so get anyway where the moment housewives thing the only thing we're watching it is a dog shit tv shows

the Kardashians Mormon people it's quite entertaining they do have many many loopholes for the sex which is what the whole show's about but when anything happens on the show that's like a cliffhanger moment the audio literally goes like an eight o eight every time time and every time I have to do it again it's that in turn it's like a tick yeah it fully just goes it's like oh my god they've been so king mormons gone wild it's literally mormons gone wild anyway do you i mean i haven't drummed in fucking ages i supposed to drum this morning i didn't i'm supposed to drum yesterday i didn't i haven't so bad at the moment i haven't got to practice in years i like legitimately

have not got to sit down by myself and just play. Yeah, I like to hear that though because I'm currently like in a stage when I need a band. Yeah. But I'm not. I mean, obviously we're still playing shows. I'll play shows next week. But I'm like, I can't bring myself. I talked about it on the Aaron podcast.

Hopefully these don't come out next to each other. People will be fucking bored. But like, I can't bring myself to go and practice songs for a band that's splitting up. Like I know I owe it to the fans to be good and I will do it. But it's just like a pain. Yeah. Because it's like this is a, I'm closing this chapter, but I still have to go to two hours, especially like what I mentioned earlier, double kick, like double, like practicing double kick.

I don't want to fucking do that anymore. I'm not doing it. Next band, minimal double kick, because I don't have to practice. Nothing over 150. I'll do flurries. Yeah. Over 150. But you're not having me doing straight 16th over 150 ever again.

It's not happening. But you, dude, you also do some crazy shit. You'd be adding so many splits between kick and. snare and yeah because I'm lazy that's one thing what do you mean that's one thing per arm everyone's like everyone's like oh my god that's so fucking fast it's like no actually what i've done is i've optimized laziness i go like this and then like this and then like this and then like this and then they speed it up dude and everyone's like oh my god it's really fast but no it's really slow out of time it's really slow by one beat it's so nice to like be able to do those

splits though to because it it can if you can do it cleanly it can make your life easier and be able to do i want i wanted to put it on i've been trying to put it on the last three records and every time it gets next by someone they're like no i don't want that film i'm like why you're like it's too crazy i'm like that's the whole point yeah you let me make guillotine let me do the crazy fucking fill yeah jelly roll would let me post malone would let me mnm's dad would let me yeah one time i was told that I was, I had like a whole growth as a drummer, like the past like two, like year or two. I'm not surprised. It's really fucking massive.

Well, just like in, in understanding where to place things. How so? Like, we played this festival or we played, we played this award show. And we had it. I think it was the CMT Awards. And we were playing need of favor. And there was just like break that we had put in the song for, this huge gospel part and I wrote the so such a fucking sick drum like for that part that

fits so well and it was so I was really stoked on it so I was doing in rehearsal but they had all the gospel the gospel choir there and management everybody was there too and management came over to me and was like hey you're playing over a very important vocal part please stop and I was like classic I was like fuck I was like I didn't even like realize I was like the part just fit so well like I thought it added. And so then I didn't do it and heard the vocal part. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah. So then, like, that kind of just, like, changed my approach. And then, like, management. So on that tour, I, like, laid back a lot just to, like, make sure I wasn't overdoing, like, vocal parts. And he managed me came up to me. He's like, hey, you know you can, like,

spice up and, like, put some shit. And I was like, well, last time I tried to do that, he was like, like, just don't do it over vocal parts. And I was like, oh. And so then I, like, really, and at the time, we, like, got this new member in the band that came from, like pop and he was we got this new md and he was kind of um helping arrange our songs and we were we were just like approaching and cutting things differently than i'd been used to but it taught me so much on like like we like symbol swell stuff like i where like cutting out on like words opposed to like swelling into the one yeah and it would like accent different parts of like words in the course like we do this one and i'm not okay that uh it like swells into like

the and or something like that or the e and it's just following the lyrics and and then just like thinking like instead of doing like a bunch of like cool little things or like a lot of ghost note stuff like because in the arenas and the stadiums they're not kind of like here or really like understand what's happening so it was like approaching it with like a bigger like a bigger mind of like bigger drums or like big drum sounds and like things that are more understandable and then putting the cool things in not over vocal stuff but where they can help Upgrow the song opposed to overshadowing any important part. It's cool that you got to learn that on the road instead of getting fucking fired.

Yeah. Because I imagine that sort of industry is probably quite cutthroat. Yeah. Yeah. And like even like circling back to that split fill thing that we're talking about, I learned a lot of that by the way that we record with Will is like, we write all the music first to program drums and then we do the vocals. And then I come back and track the real drums.

Nice. So like there's a lot of times. where exactly what you're saying, where I've gone like, this bit's so fucking sick. And they've been like, you can't hear the main line. And I've gone like,

yeah, you can. And it's like, no, you fucking can. And you just have to, and that was a learning curve for me over the last five records where I'm just like,

no, they're right. And I'm like, yeah, but the Phil has to do this. I'm like, no, because there's a word there.

You need to be stopped on that word. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. Rewing it, I guess. But I love, like, I've never worked with, I've worked with an MD once for like a live show thing.

But like I love that stuff. I love when the songs get changed, particularly for like award ceremonies and stuff when an MD will come in and like be like, here's an extended section. Did you ever see? And I know like everyone dunked on it because he stole it from Pliny. But did you ever see the Doja Cat say so at the VMAs?

Uh-oh. They made it metal. and like the the the the md who is a fucking legend he like admittedly it's like very very plagiarized from a plenty song

really and but it fits so well it's like the most it's the coolest shit ever like I wish there was a studio recording of that yeah he did because it's incredible like it's way better than the song in my opinion like the original song which is also like the doja the original doja cat song yeah the original doja cat song yeah the original

Dojicats on. No, the Pliny song, but it's like, it's very, very close. And I think there was a lot of discourse at the time where... Did the indie know that it was from Pliny? Yeah, I think he came out and he was like, who hasn't spent the last year listening to that record? Like, forgive me for a page rising. And it's like, of course. And I think Pliny was like, people were batting for Pliny going like, this is outrageous, like nerdy little fart sniffing fucking prog kids.

No offense. By the way, this episode is sponsored by Neural DSP. they make amazing plugins for your guitar if you're one of those nerds I just fucking told off. It really is. They're great. You just use them. I'm joking.

But like Pliny himself came out and was like, this is fucking sick. Just wish that I'd been asked. I'd love to play the V-M-A's. Which I thought was perfect response from him. Perfect response from the guy that was just like, forgive me.

I'm sorry I would listen to that record all throughout lockdown. I'm sorry. I think I need to listen to this record. It's like, PLI-N-I, Pliny. Oh, you never heard Pliny? I mean, I know. the name but I never listen except for

whatever my guitar player has put on in our drunken state on the bus but I'm not paying attention to you know how like animals as leaders is heavy yeah it's like if animals as leaders wasn't heavy are they more like chan esk yeah it's more in the chan realm but he's fucking amazing

Australian guy the drummer's fucking incredible as well like in fact the drummer is like Troy Wright played on one of the records that's what I thought it was Troy Troy Wright played on, I think two of the albums, and then Chris played on the other ones. Insane, like, a whole song in Quintuplets. Like, not in five, not a song in five, four,

but the whole song is, one, two, three, four, five, one, two, four, five, one, two, four, five, one, three, four, five, but then it flows, like, beautifully. Do you ever listen to the contortionist? Yes. Same, take the heaviness out of the contortionists. Okay, very similar.

I love that band. I was thinking about that band yesterday, actually. I only listened to that one, record, but I think it was the second one. The green record. No, no, no. Oh, reimagined. The human, the human, uh, is it a dark cover?

It has like, I want to say it has like, yeah, it's a darker cover, but it has like pink and or some kind of blue or something not. Yeah, I think you're talking about the one that's green. You just love saying pink. I do like same pink. I think it's, I think it's fucking pink. Anyway, neural. The code is downbeat. Because if you want to sound like Pliny,

use Pliny X. It's a free album. Oh, no, the first album, Intrinsic. Oh, wait, you never went past that. No. Bro, that's when it gets really good. Dude, I thought that record was perfect. I toured with them on that record.

Oh, bro. It gets better. I don't know where they disappeared, though. I don't know where the fuck they've gone. Her drummer, Joey Baca is a fucking master. Freak. He's so good. Freak.

Similar, similar drum vibes. on Pliny. Yeah, I don't know where the fuck they've got. Maybe they got caught soaking. Yeah, all that. Yeah, you need to get some Pliny in your life. You need to get some plenty. You got beatboxing in, you got bars.

No, dude, that just that drum part's crazy because he goes between like a stack. Yeah, same, same difference. All right, where are we on this? Oh, fuck. Yeah, I love Pliny. Where's pork chop come from? Dude, one day

I was His nickname's Porkchop by the way One day we were on tour And I was I had a I tied one on the night before I just I just sent it Stayed up to like

Nine in the morning Just show the next day Show the next day Not fired for it No God I want your gig Well I mean I didn't I've been very blessed to where I can do that

And then sleep And then wake up and I like, I like, I, dude, I wake up and play all the time. I play so good when I've just woke up. So literally, I take a nap every, normally every day at between six and seven, I take a nap. And then I wake up right before the set, walk the stage, like from. Matt Gasca does that as well. It's the best.

I can't do that because I can't nap. But what I, when I practice at home, when I can be bothered, I will like, I'll wake up. Yeah. Have a coffee. Take some supplements, maybe a protein bar. I go straight to the drums and then I'll rip. But if I wait like six hours and play the drums, I'm nowhere near as good.

And it like feels, I don't know why, what, I don't know if there's a science behind it. It's probably not. It's probably just dumb. But like, I don't feel as sore when I play from waking up. Like I, I get through an hour set and I, I feel. The science is probably that your, I actually know the science is going to out.

It's going to sound like I don't know the science, but your glycogen levels from all the carbons. that you had the night before and the day before particularly night your muscles in the morning provided you ate enough at night are fully absorbed with glycogen so they can perform at their best people think oh i'm really tired let me take some carbs before i go to the gym or before i go to you know play the drums or any of that stuff but you need them like eight hours before it's not like you can't just have a banana and go play the drums and expect to be fully filled with the glycogen in anyway that's the science.

Oh, okay. Carry on. Yeah, yeah. So I tied one on. I was very responsibly intoxicated on a bus. And... Doesn't sound like it, but continue. And I went to bed because we weren't doing...

We hadn't soundchecked that whole damn time. Keep telling me how good your life is, bro. Well, so this day, they decided to sound check. Oh. for what reason I have no fucking idea and so I wake up and Jack wakes me up actually because I didn't set an alarm so Jack wakes me up and I always put my phone on I'm doing on the story when I go to bed so whatever not expected to have fucking sound check this day and um Jack comes wakes me up he's like hey buddy we got a sound check and I

like are you fucking kidding me I was like what time is this this is like 2 30 or 3 and I was like dude, I like just fell asleep. Like, why are we sound checking today? Like, we haven't sound checked this in two months. Like, what's happening? And he was like, I don't know, we're sound checking. I was like, all right. So.

Eminem's dad's coming. No, this is last, this is last year, last summer. And so we, I get out of the bed and I'm visibly still, you know, a little drunk. I'd gained a lot of weight at this point. And like, I was just having like that heats, that gross like hangover heat sweat. And like, dude, I mean. Stinky booze boy. Gross, dude.

Gross. And I don't, I don't think that I had got a shower the night before. Just, you know, whatever. And, um, and, like show to drinking no shower straight to bed. Hangover fucking. You are gross. Just gross. Just gross.

Just very gross in this moment. In this moment. And, uh, I mean, dude, like, I shower. like three times a day, you know what I'm saying? But listen, we're all allowed to fall from grace. Yeah, but whatever this day was, I just, I said, fuck it. So anyway, so I walk, I look in the mirror and I'm like, bro, I look like shit. Hair messy.

I'm dripping sweat, no shirt on, just fucking looking gross. And I looked, I told, I was like, dude, you look like a piece of ham. And I told myself, I just looked like ham. And I was like, man, that's a pretty funny nickname. I was like, I'm going to call myself ham. And, you know, not that you're supposed to give yourself nicknames, but I went out to... Still drunk. Yeah, I went out to Jack and I was like, dude, I look like a piece of ham.

I was like, just fucking call me ham. And he loved it. He was losing his mind. And so he like went and told everybody, he's like, or start calling Cody Ham. And so I guess he goes to tell Jelly, well, apparently, from how I understand it is him and his manager, they were flying into that show that day. Yeah. And so they like fly in. Jack goes and tells jelly like immediately. He was like, yo, we're Cody was hung over, you know,

whatever. He's, you know, we're going to call him ham. And he goes, oh, that's funny. He's like, we were actually thinking of a nickname for Cody on the way here. And we came up with pork chop. And I was like, so he comes up and he's like, what's up? Pork chop. And I was like, that's what we're doing now. He's like, yeah, we're doing a pork chop sit. And I was like, all right. So like, normally like that will stay like that'll happen. And then they would like, you know, try to introduce it and see how it sticks around. And then we like, created this set and it had the drum break in it that I've been posting on Instagram and and one day during like the buildup we were playing one of the

Morgan Wallen shows and I think we're in Tampa and or not Tampa that show got canceled. Vega maybe it was Vegas I'm not sure but we we were playing and Jelly just go during the buildup jelly goes go poor job go poor job go and then like put the thing out and like the whole stadium like did it back and we kind of like looked at each other while I'm like playing and he's dying laughing and like keeps doing it and then it just like became it just like stuck. Now it's much. Now it's like.

There's much. I dropped a shirt and a collab jersey with Holy Center and hopefully I kind of I want to do more like coming out. You know what I'm saying? But I don't know how I want to approach it or, you know, if I just want it to be like special releases every now and then. because I do I do want to do a clothing line one day, but I don't know if it's going to be a pork chop line. Like I'll probably do a pork chop line just like in itself and just drop pork chop shirts every now and then,

but I would like to actually do like an actual clothing brand. Here's my advice from someone who has a clothing brand and from someone who's given this advice to other people who have wanted to start a clothing line and have ignored my advice and their clothing line has failed. And then they've gone. We don't understand how you sell so much money. do the pork chop stuff like separate because you're going to soak up the jelly roll fan base

that want a shirt there as long as he's cool with that but your clothing line do not make it no just do with your fucking name that's that's everyone asked me like i want to do a clove in nine and then like my boys and i'm like i'm here like i'm open like i'll give you all the advice you want and then they're like i'm thinking about doing this and it's like their name and i don't want to attach nothing to my brother in soaking like Like you don't, no one wants, like, your name on a t-shirt. Like, they're, like, they're at work. Like, it either work for you.

Yeah. Or, like, like, they're at a job, and that's their name tag. Like, it just doesn't work. I don't know why people think they have to, I don't know. I think they think, well, people are going to buy it because they, like, they like my drumming or whatever. It's mostly drummers that asked me. But, like, you were then setting the ceiling to people. that like you're drumming enough to wear a t-shirt with your name whereas if you just make a

cool brand like the amount of people that don't know the downbeat is a podcast because they just wear the clothes yeah because it's a brand yeah it's like yeah it's genius i would suggest don't do a podcast with the same name as a clothing line because it's fucking confusing and like it's really hard to separate it too because some people don't know about the podcast and some people don't know about clothes but yeah any advice you need for that absolutely yeah no that's that's why i was like because i i i did four designs like just to like test to see like what I wanted to like do just kind of see where what I wanted to get out of it and they had they had my name on it and when I got the test prints back I was like I don't like this I was like this seems like egotistical why do I want people like I don't I was like I don't like this

at all so I never dropped those shirts and like I never did anything with them I just scrapped it pork chop or was it it was Cody this was before poor chop happened yeah and so and that you know I didn't know and so when I got like I said when I got like the four test prints of the four designs and it like had the it had the company name on it that that I'd made up and then it had like my name on X I was like oh maybe same idea maybe people won't buy it if they just see the company and then like I said I got the shirts back and I felt like an egotistical fucking loser and I was like I'm not going to do this but the pork chop thing that's you know that's a little bit more catered to like like support you know that's very yeah

it's like it's not a name and it's like it's a brand and it's like a little like a pig and it's the whole little thing. And so like, that's why I like doing that. But I wouldn't make that like a clothing line brand. Like that would be just like special drops for like, you know, people that support me and support jelly roll and like that whole thing. But I want to do like you said,

an actual brand that's completely separate from anything to do with me where I'm not even attached to it. It's just something that where I would hopefully want to get possible investors. There might be people that don't fuck with you. Yeah. And like they're still wet. It's the same with my ride. Exactly.

There's definitely people that don't fuck with me to play my ride. Yeah. Because it's fucking sick. Yeah, it's fucking sick. But like the, thank you for playing my, I think you play my ride in front of more people than you and Andy Hurley, play my ride in front of more people than anyone else.

I live by that fucking ride, I love it. I live by that. Have you got the new one yet? You still got just the concept. I'm still rocking the concept. Get the one with the K on it. It looks nicer.

The K? Well, it's a K, you know. I did not know that. It's, now it's in the K line. Yeah, they, they,

they, uh, so when I, so when I got the symbol, I was actually at Zildjan, and Eric was telling me about how they were going to like, it was doing, it did so good that they put it into their actual series. It's a K.

Congrats on that, that's crazy. It's the K projection ride, which is the same, this goes back to the same thing business wise, right, as not doing a merch company with your name on it. Like, it's just the K projection ride.

People that don't know who I am, don't like me or don't know that you didn't even know that it was in that we'll go into a store and go that's cool and then play it and then go that's sick i'm gonna buy it and then they'll find out who makes it and be like that guy's an idiot but he's ride sick do you know what i mean but like the same thing like i like to separate myself yeah especially with like stage flight as well like i separate myself from these things i think it's good to seeling is so low especially with drumming like if you try and i want to market this to drummers and then it's i mean travis Travis Barker did the same thing, you know what I'm saying?

But the only thing that he included himself on in with famous was just him modeling the shit. And the old collab that says his name on it. Yeah, yeah. But for the most part, the famous shirts that you were seeing in Zoomies and, you know, Paxone or whatever, like none of them were attached to it. So if you were just a normal dude that didn't listen to pop punk, you see a, I mean, there was like hip-hop dudes wearing famous shirts before they knew that Travis Barker exists. My biggest regret is not doing a...

different name for the clothing line. But then I don't know if it would have popped up. The thing, and you know what, actually the thing I regret the most? The, the downbeat. Why do you regret that? There's only one other clothing line that I can think of with a the the in the clothing line. And that's where the confusion is, which is the hundreds.

Which is, that's where the confusion is where people are like, oh, I think it's just a podcast or whatever. So if you look, most of the Downbeat merch just as Downbeat, yeah. So like, in my head, it's two separate things. The Downbeat is the podcast. Downbeat is the clothing line. Yeah.

It's kind of fucking weird. I can see what you're saying. I don't know if it would cause it much like. But I can understand what you're saying. With design it does. You think? Oh yeah. If you're putting the.

Yeah. It's so fucking annoying. Yeah. Stick the in. So I'll take it out. On your web, do you have a downbeat, like only website, right? Yeah. Is the URL the down the down.

It's the downby. It's the downby. So it spells downbeat. Yeah. Oh, okay. And then you click there and it's like U.S. store, UK store podcast. So it is separate. And I think over the last two years, I have managed to make it apparent that it is a brand that has a podcast, not podcast merge.

Do you want to know how well I think you did with it is I saw this, these, these designs. I saw people wearing these didn't know that it was the podcast, didn't know that you were even a I had no idea that it that that was you because I think I remember seeing before I think it was before I knew about the podcast or I can't remember the time period of it but I remember seeing this and being like damn dude I need to get some of those shirt that shit's fucking fire and but not knowing that it was you or any kind of affiliation with it's me baby it's it's been damn right but that was the plan was to just like the same as you want to make a club night I want to make a clavid line because I want it's like I want to wear a shirt

that looks like this. And you're an artist. Now I can, yeah, now I can make it. Yeah. And it's like, it has ruined buying other clothes for me

because I'll go into a store and I'll see something that's like 200 bucks and I really like it. And I'm like, look at it. I look at the hem. I look at the seam. I look at it and I'm like,

that's an LA apparel G1801. That's going to cost me 18 bucks. Plus the screen print. We're talking maybe 21 bucks. Like, why is it's $200? And then if I like the design enough, just go home and I'll be like, I kind of fucking rip that off.

I'll just fucking pop it out there. No one fucking knows. But yeah, don't use your name. Names are exclusively for high fashion. Yeah, high fashion. Cole Buxton,

Ralph Lauren, like Ralph Lorne. Ralph Lorne. Ralph Lorne. Ralph Lorne. Orange. Y'all wearing that Ralph Lauren? Hey, he got y'all in there.

He got a y'all in there. Y'all in that. Tennessee sitting in there. Thanks, mate. We need to do your two truths and a liar as we're going to be here all the fucking day. Dude, dude?

Did you do it? We can't because not enough people on the Patreon. I did three truths in a lie. Have you definitely given me a lie in there, though? Yeah. Thank God, because everyone always gives me three, and it is funny, but they're always all true. No, I got one that's a lie.

You need a pee or anything before I do this. You sure? This is your pee hours. I guess about one hour for, and she starts soaking. leave it like leave it in we gotta get out we gotta go out leave it so quick three three truths and all yeah okay all right you're gonna reel them all off and then we're gonna come back i'm gonna come back i'm gonna come back and pick them up yeah yeah i reel them all right i was kicked out and banned

from resorts world casino in las vegas while live in kentucky uh on his come up on my like when i was younger but before he was anything i'd actually played drums for jack holler for a little bit. And then when he went to Atlanta was when I started touring with my local band, so I stopped playing with him. And then my first ever band was a hair metal band that we wore makeup and zebra pants, did the whole nine yards, wrote originals. On my first tour ever, I went to my first strip club and I got a lap dance and was taken advantage of without knowing that I was getting take it but like not in like a bad way obviously I was I wanted it this was very consensual I

just didn't know about uh the payment after okay wow I feel like I want to start with that one how old are you like 18 or 19 18 or 19 what what city New Orleans wow what a club do you remember the name of the club oh dude I think it was called stilettos it doesn't It doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't exist anymore. I used to go pay homage to it when I'd pass through New Orleans. Okay. It was so legendary, man.

This, obviously, this one is true. Okay. You say you were taking advantage of. It went further than a dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, like, it was my first time ever at a strip club. And me and one of the, I didn't, I didn't know anything about strip clubs. It was my first time.

I was like, I was a teenager. I was on my first tour. I was excited. it was a brothel. No, no, no, no. I thought it was a strip club. I didn't know that it was going to turn it to... You didn't know it was an illegal strip club.

And so I go to get this woman and I, she's on stage and she keeps staring at me. And so I was like... That's what they do, bro. Yeah. I didn't know, man. I was like Dean. I was kidding. I think she likes me.

So I got really excited. Madison's fucking claws. And she was older. She was older. And so I go over there and we start talking. She was like, what are you doing here? I was like, oh, like, you know, I'm on my first tour. it's my first time in the strip club,

blah, she was like, give me her accent. She was like, oh, I don't even remember her accent. She was like, oh, honey, that's so cute.

You're on tour? That's what I wanted. You're on tour? Yeah. And I was like, I mean, I was like, yeah, I mean,

I booked it. I was like, I booked it. I was like, oh, that's so cool. So you're like in a band? And I was like, yes.

Fuck, I'm getting brick. I'm getting broken. Keep going. Keep going. And she was like, she was like, well,

let me give you lap dance. And I was like, I was like, yo, I don't have any more money. I was like, I spent it on beer and whatever. I was like, I'd have money in the ATM. I was like, but I'd have to go get it. She was like, well, I'll just, I'll give you lap dance on the house. And I was like, okay. And so I was like, on the house.

I was like, for free. And she was like, all right, cool, are you sure? And she went and talked to her manager about it. And granted, I wasn't in that conversation. Lovely last. So some other conversation happened, apparently. And so we get back there. Obviously, I'm 19.

I'm fucking bricked up. Yeah. And they were pork chops standing to attention. In a respectful way. You know, and like, you know,

I was, no, you're allowed to be bricked up there. That's the whole point. And she offered, she was like, do you want to do more? And I was like,

well, yeah. And so. Okay. Continue. Well, you know, you pulls it out.

You boint her. Yep. Full boinkking. Full boink. And a little 19-year-old Cody just. just getting not even like a hand job

no just straight to it nothing curtain closed curtain was already closed it was it was legendary it was legendary did you wear protection no oh my god yeah yeah it was a very

crazy you flew very close to the sun it was uh it was like I said it's a story it's actually first time I've ever talked about it probably too so it's not it's not time um I mean I've talked about it with my friends because it's just really funny looking back um okay how long until you

nutted uh oh dude like 30 seconds 30 40 seconds i was like what is happening uh yeah uh the worst part was that she did uh the worst part was that she did she she was like let me know when you're about to and i was like all right oh so at least you pulled out yeah so yeah so she got up and fucking put it on my fucking jeans dude and i had to walk back out in the strip club was shit on my jeans. I don't think you're in the room. I don't think she's in the wrong there. I think there's a you problem. So it might be it might be so you know I'll take you know I'll take the hell on it anyway she finished me and I went on to my jeans from her directional. Yeah. Anyway, sorry but after we were finished I was like oh shit and she goes she's like that'll be

$30. Fucking cheap though to be fair. And I was she was like can you go to the ATM and I was like what that's like that's like dog i wish i can not i cannot make this up bro i'm not making there's two whole bands the witness that can fucking dude 30 bucks 30 bucks and so i why did i say it like you i said 30 30 bucks 30 bucks and i fucking i she aimed her and security guard walked outside i ran across the street to ATM got 30 bucks out came back candid to her and got the band and i was getting a phone call that our van was getting towed Dude, it was madness. The fact it was $30.

Yeah. Is like legendary. Worrying. It was very worrying. I got tested immediately. I was going to say. Oh, immediately when I got home. How many 30 buck fucking full sexes is she doing?

I don't know. But at the end of the day, I was, dude, first tour, first trip club. What a story. Madison. And I was clean. I was clean. That's the only thing that makes the, story cool is that I went home and got tested and I was clean.

Madison, are you allowed to do that in the strip club? No. No, not at all. Does it happen behind closed doors? Yes, all the time. Yes. Madison's got experience here. Yes.

I worked at a strip club. Oh, look at you two. We have experience. Yeah, it does. You have to be like one of the bouncers of the owner's favorites so they can get like the room without the cameras, but it does happen. Wow. There's a lot of clubs that know about it.

Are they all 30 bucks? That's fucking crazy. Okay. Well, I think we've established that one's true. Yeah, that one's true. Okay. Sorry, I couldn't stop laughing when I was getting that one out. I almost didn't tell it because I knew I wasn't going to be able to sound like.

Okay. But you got two other ones. Do you say Jack Harlow? Yeah. You grew up. I didn't grow up with him, but he was coming up in the Louisville scene when I was in my local band. I don't know where he's from. He's from Louisville.

So you played. for him? Yeah, I just played like, he used to play like down in Spinelli's a little bit and I went and played like a couple of shows when he would do some rap gigs. So you played the drums while he had. Yeah, yeah, so it would be like me, him and the DJ.

Or, well, he, well, you know, however he would play his tracks. What year was this? This was like 09 to, I played a couple of shows with him between 2009 and 2011. When did it stop? Stopped in 2011. So why did it stop?

Oh, just because my local band. started touring my metal band started touring and he moved to Atlanta and jack hollows a nobody at this point yeah he's he's like still super small he released like a couple he released like one or two albums um and then he ended up going to Atlanta to start writing and he lived down there for a little bit and that's when he got noticed and came back to little one fucking popped off and did he have a different drummer by that point no i don't think he was just using tracks i don't think he was using a drummer down in Atlanta you never got the call no no he he's he's he's a different drummer down in aladdin no no he's up using this dude named uh jordan who's fucking nuts did he have a nickname for you no it was just

cutting nothing crazy nothing crazy no and like i said it was like this was like back in the day so we weren't like we weren't like shit i'm gonna come back to this one yeah a band from where in last Vegas the resorts casino hotel okay what happened i got caught doing some things in the club fucking sex workers or in the club in the club in the club in the club Did you hurt your nose? I tried to. You tried to hurt your nose. Someone caught you hurting your nose.

Yeah, we got caught. And then what? How do they enforce the ban? 18 security guards came up to me and dragged us out to get arrested. Were you staying there or just hanging out there? Did you have to get a different hotel? Yeah. What hotel did you get?

Treasure Island. Straight to Treasure Island. It was so quick that I know this one's true. Yeah. Right? Oh, whoa. I'm coming back. What year was that?

This was last year. Last year. Last, I think it was between spring and something. How did they catch you? We did it in the middle of the club. All right. Okay. You can bleep out what it was.

And everyone knows what it was. It hurt your nose. You had an American Express involved somewhere. And what was the other, what was the third, My brain's only capable of remembering three. What was the third truth or a lie? That my first band was a hair metal band. Oh, yeah.

What were you called? A bullet. Bullet. Yeah. After the county, we were raised in. Boom. Out of that county, we were raised in. Went in the mud park.

Bullet in the mud park. I'm wearing zebra pants. Yeah. That's quite good force. You're wearing zebra pants? What was the makeup? It was like. eye liner

eye shadow blush concealer hair metal but like 20 years too late 30 years too late way too late I was like an eighth grade yeah the hair metal still lives or 10th grade I can see it what was Bullitt's biggest song called

oh we'd never recorded anything you never recorded anything but the one the one that everyone knew in our town was sex drugs and rock and roll wow this is bad um sex drugs and rock and roll by Bullet and the drummer of Bullitt famously got sex and drugs from two separate stories later on.

Maybe, maybe. I'm going to say Jack Harlow is the lie. Jack Harlow is a lie. Hell yeah. Everything else is true. I thought I had. No, there was a few tells. Waited too long for responses.

Yeah, there was a few tales. But then also I know you. So the other three, I was just, yeah, obviously that happened. damn it that's fucking sick good for you what was the what was the stripper called uh i think her name was rain rain rain or rainbow it was one of those rainbow i just i remember she was 44 and she had a damn 44 and you and what i was 19 make of that what you will in that was crazy it was consensual everyone i mean yeah obviously 44 i just didn't know i was going to have to pay for it i mean you barely paid for

I know, that's what I'm saying. Less than a phone bill. But, hey, yo, at that time, like, 30 bucks was a lot, man. I was like two meals at Taco Bell. Yeah, but how much were you fucking back then? Not at all. Girls never wanted it. So you would have, you would have done 30 bucks.

Yeah. If she was at 30 bucks out of the cuff, I would have been like, yeah, I'll go to ATU. Yeah, right now. Absolutely. You got a missus now? No. No, she left in February. Oh, I'm sorry.

That's okay. You can cut that out. Oh, no. That's fine. You're leaving in there. Whatever. I don't care. Oh.

It's real. That's what happened. What are you doing now? She's smashing. Nah, man. I just, I mean... You're still not cut. I mean...

Yeah, I mean, I'm just... This is the first time I've been single in, you know, nine years. I had like two, four-year relationships and me and my ex were together for a year and a half. And, yes, and now this is the first time that I've just ever been to myself and been able to, like, do, you know, the things I want without having to think about... you know, someone else's, you know, communication needs or like being on the road and stuff. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, like, having to make sure that I'm like on my phone, like, keeping up with and letting people where I know where I'm going. And it's the first time that I've just like been able to be like, oh, I want to do this.

Like, I don't have to ask for permission to do this. You know, like, if I want to say I want to go to a club, like I don't have to let someone know. Get yourself back to the New Orleans Club. 30 bucks. You do it once a month. That's still less than a phone bill, depending on your plan. You get once a week. Honestly, get yourself to a club, grab one of those.

Why I did? It's fucking awesome. Dude, working at the strip club, dude, the thing is, I like love just the environments of strip clubs. Yeah, they're awesome. The aesthetic of, like, because hair metal is my favorite genre. I was going to say, bullet, bro. Yeah.

Who came up in? Burleigh. Facts. Hair metal is my favorite genre of music of all time and like I just really loved the whole like rock star and like strip club like aesthetic and like you know, Motley crew, Girls Girls, Girls, Girls, music video. I don't know. I just, I just always like that and I'm sorry to me to burp. But so like strip, you know, then I worked in a strip club and so it's like I'm just completely unfazed by the, I mean this in in the least like, in case anyone hasn't noticed there is a stripper in the room. But like, the elephant in the room, the stripper in the room. Like, I mean this in the nicest,

least derogatory way, but like, I just fuck with strippers. Yeah. Like, not like that, but just the musician stripper dynamic, even not like relationship-wise, in terms of, like, how you view the world, late fucking nights, dealing with people you don't want to deal with,

being fucking tired, party atmosphere, like, it's very, very similar. Although there are loads and loads of women in heavy music and music in general or whatever, but like it's almost like the girl stripper is like the boy rocker. You know what I mean?

I can agree. Obviously girls can be rockers and there are many of them. Of course. In terms of like, just that isn't easy hangout. I know. Yeah. I mean, it's a similar atmosphere and similar lifestyle, you know, nine times out of 10.

If they weren't, no offense to you, but like, if it, like some clubs are really, really hustlery, and I fucking hate that. Because I, like you, I like the aesthetic. I like the bar. Oh, it's fucking open real fucking late. I want to go and get drinks. Yeah. In a lot of clubs, that's not going to happen. You're just going to get hustled continuously because you're going to say, like, hey, I'm just here hanging out.

Admittedly why I mean, you're a fucking club if I'm just hanging out. But it's the only place fucking open. especially in america like you want to get a drink at 3 a m your choice is a fucking street club that's it for me personally like if i do something like that like i'll i'll let it be known like i'll go to the club and and if a girl come like approaches me to like sit down and talk i'll be like hey i just want to let you know like i am here just to have drinks just to kick it i'd love to sit and chat with you and if like someone like if they like sit and just kick it like bro i'll pull out money like i won't go to the tip rail and pull out money like i'll pull out money like i'll

I'll pull out money and like go put it on the stage or like give it to someone and just be like, I'm like, yo, you don't have to take, you don't have to do anything. Like just, I'm just here to drink and chill. You know what I'm saying? Madison's laughing because that's literally how we met. Yeah. Like my boy's going fucking crazy. You seem cool. Yeah. Like if you want to just have an easy night, sit here, hang out with me, have a couple of drinks. And then I like, kicked her like she was doing shit. Exactly. But I didn't get her to do any shit. No, yeah. You just like, it's like, that's just. And I'm just. Turn to Nashville. You go to a strip club. Like, you go in there understanding that motherfuckers are working. Yeah. Like, you can't just walk in there and like, Oh yeah.

I'm not walking in with no money. Oh, no, not you. But like, like, motherfuckers do. Yeah. People do that. And, but that's what I'm saying. I'm tipping. But like, I'm not getting a fucking dance.

Like I'm, I'm trying to hang out with people, but I'm not getting a fucking dog. I mean, I don't mind getting a dance every now and then. But for the- I personally hate it. The majority, majority of the time I'm, I'm, if I go, it's like, I'm just like, chilling. I don't really go for any other reason. I don't ever go for a dance, though.

Like, I have to, like, be kicking it with someone and really vibe with someone and be like, hey, you know what? Let's, we'll go do with the song or two, you know? I feel like I just, I don't know, I just get bricked up and it's like, now what? I'm not in New Orleans.

I haven't got 30 bucks. I'm not in New Orleans. Do I mean? I'm, I'm not bricked up and now what? I'd rather get bricked up and be like, do you want to move to Nashville? That's what we do. We're going to run out of camera time so we're done.

I'm sorry. I love you. This has been fucking great. Let's hang out. We're fucking neighbors now. We are. Yeah, I, I'll be, dude, I'll be home for like three weeks after the 26th. Just when I leave, so.

How long are you going? 26th of this month. Yeah. Yeah, I am on the West Coast doing stray stuff. Come back. We go to Cancun for a week. And then come back. then I go to Australia.

So I'm back like the end of August. Oh, okay. And then are you out again? Yeah, yeah. How many shows do you pay year? Dude, last year was a lot. Jelethon rolls. Jelletton.

I want to say last year was like 170 or like 200 something. Jesus. It was a lot. This year, I have the exact number on a poster at home. But this year, I don't know how many it was this year. The Post Malone Tour was. it was like three months long, but it was like all the shows

that were so spaced out, but we had so many in between shit, in between shows. Yeah, I spoke to you a couple of times on that. Flying everywhere. Where are you? And you're like, by a pool somewhere.

It's like, I've got to do a TV thing tomorrow and we got a show on the weekend. Yeah. Sounds sick, though, to be fair. No, it's, I mean, it's a, it's a blessing. I couldn't be more grateful. Just some of the,

some of the traveling's exhausting, but obviously, like, it's just a part of it. And that's just what it comes with it. On a bus at least. No, probably. We're like, dude, there was, yo, there was, private plane. No, no.

Well, technically, but it's like a 60-seater private plane. The chart. Like, bro, we can get off after this. But we, the first fucking, to start this tour, we flew to, we flew to Los Angeles. And then I wouldn't, then we, I went and played SummerSlam or some WWE thing with Jelly in Vegas. So we flew to L.A. Me and two of the other members flew with Jelly to Vegas. and then we flew back to LA, had a week of rehearsals for stagecoach,

played stage coach, flew to Vegas, or no, sorry, played stage coach, flew to Utah, played the first show of the tour, the post tour in Utah. Did some soaking. It did some soaking. Flew from Utah to Miami. Fuck me. Played a private event for F1 at 12 in the morning,

and then, or for Carbone at 12 in the morning. And then 12 in the morning is not a time. Noon or mid. 12 midnight. 12 midnight. Wow. Okay. Yeah.

I didn't know what you meant. Played this private party for Carbone for the F1 races and then flew from Miami to Vegas, played the show in Vegas off on like three hours of sleep. Yeah, straight. Straight. So from Utah to Miami to Vegas, these are all straight in a row. So I went from Utah, Miami, Vegas. Vegas, after we got offstage in Vegas, we got back on the charter, flew to Tampa, got there

Got there at like 9 or like we got there at like 10, 1030 in the morning. Then we had to go run a 5K with Jelly because he to, you know, we were supporting him doing his on this thing. So we all went and ran the 5K on like two hours of sleep and then went and slept for an hour and then went and headlined a festival. Got off stage. Got to sleep in the hotel room that night. But then that night found out that we had to learn 20 songs for what was supposed

to be an off day the next day, but ended up being a 9 p.m. rehearsal. None 20. Yes. We got handed 20 songs to learn by rehearsals the next day at 9 p. Where are these songs coming from? Because we were doing... From his back catalog? No, so these were, this was every year for the CMAs.

Jelly is doing, well, from what I understand, he's doing Jelly and Friends at Billy Bob's down in Texas, which is like a really famous country music venue in Texas, like super, it's like a legendary place. Take that whole sentence out of context. It sounds like a joke. I know. Jelly and Friends at Billy Bob's. Yeah, literally. So, like, what it is is, like, all these artists that are in town for the CMAs come through.

And, like, we do one or two of their songs. Yeah. But we didn't know that any other artists were coming until that night that we got offstage in Tampa, got handed 20 songs. And we were supposed to have the off day in Dallas, but then they scheduled a rehearsal at Billy Bob's for Dallas. Yeah. So then we fly the next morning to Dallas, get into the hotel, get, like, two hours

rest go to rehearse from nine to two a.m. wake up at nine a.m. the next morning to drive an hour to ACM rehearsals in another part of Texas, drive back to rehearsals from six or from a three to six and then the show started at billy bobs. So had to have those songs learned by that night. Played the show up Billy Bobbs. Woke up the next morning, went to San Antonio. I'm tired for you. Went to San Antonio played the post tour and then went from there to Frisco, Texas to do the ECM awards and then we had an off day. Jesus. That was just one of the weeks and then we had another one that it was like a five day stretch

like that. With all that traveling, as someone that's on a salary and not per show, does that make it harder to do? Because it's not like, this is the grind because sometimes I imagine because you're on a salary, a month is fucking easy. Like does it,

does that burn you out doing all that stuff? No, I mean, I've, I mean, obviously like there's the, It will, it can be burning, it can't burn you out. Like I'm not gonna lie, I was exhausted.

Like we all were, we all shot after that like nine day like adventure or whatever that was. But, you know, it was, but at the same time, we also know that that's like going to be part of it. And like something like comes with it. So it's like there's, there's days like those days where like salary is kind of like, damn, like it doesn't seem like, you know, because if it was like a day rate like I'm getting paid every day for like. have to do the same. Yeah, my reason for saying it is just like we have Australia coming up and it's very similar travel and all that stuff. But I know how much money we're getting paid.

So I'm like, we are fucking got to make bank. Right. And that will make the hell worth it. Yeah. I was just wondering if your money is spread out through the year, if it weighs on you sometimes when the work seems like a lot. It can.

And then I have to remember that like when I'm not touring, I have that benefit. Yeah. You get paid to do nothing. Yeah. And it's like, So it's like, well, that'll seem like a lot's happening. And it's like, I don't want to say not for nothing.

But it like it seems like all these things are happening. And like, you know, there's the same pay. But then there's like times where we're not doing anything. Yeah, you do three shows in a month. And you're getting the same thing. So it's like it's beneficial in both ways. And I think it's also beneficial to like the company. Because, you know, they can save money.

Yeah. Doing salary. And you know what I'm saying? Sick. Good for you. We need to go because the cameras are going to run out. Yeah. If you want episodes that are longer than this,

subscribe to the Patreon because the episodes aren't longer on the Patreon, but I need to buy the cards for the cameras, and they cost 300 bucks each, and I need four of them. So more people on the Patreon. We don't have to cut these short. Thank you. Thank you so much. Love you.

Love you, bro. Thank you for having me. Thank you guys for having me.