The Downbeat - Daniel P Carter

Episode Date: May 8, 2019

My guest this week is Daniel P Carter.We had a proper laugh on this pod. Dan is probably most well known for being the presenter of the BBC Radio One Rock Show, and his podcast Someone Who Isn't Me (SWIM) but he's also been a guitarist in bands like A, Krokodil, The Bloodhound Gang and loads of others. We had a proper laugh on this pod. Dan's a very interesting guy, he's a mystical, magickal entity filled to the brim of ideas and esoteric ramblings....which I like. He's done it all. He's a top lad. See ya!

Straight from the path, that's my band. If you're listening to this, you might think, oh, that's his band. If you're listening to this and you think, I don't know what that band is, then why are you listening to this? Or another way to think of it is, I've done well because people are listening to my thing without my band. Anyway, straight from the path, which is my band, we're doing a European tour, which is just announced today. if you're listening to this on Wednesday or if you listen to it on another day after Wednesday

it was announced on the Wednesday but same rules apply you know the date it's in December which is a while away but buy some tickets because it's going to sell out absolutely going to sell out there's no way it's not going to sell out

buy the tickets also buy the tickets because it makes us look good not only does it make us look good It looks good to the promoters, and the promoters go, well, that was good. Let's book them again. And then you'll get another trance to see us because they'll go, well, last time Straping the Path came. It sold out really quick, so let's get them again,

because I want money because I'm a greedy promoter. Only joking, and I like all promoters, so you're all nice people. Unless you only give the band Sandwiches and Carling, in which case, hang on, no, sandwiches are good, crisps and carling, in which case, go fuck yourself. Striping the Path, UK, Europe, December. Birmingham, Bristol, Glasgow, Manchester, London, Southampton, Paris, Leon, Zurich, Eindhoven, Antwerp, Cologne, Munich, Budapest, Vienna, Nuremberg, Leipzig, Prague and Hamburg. In December, go to the Straving the Path website, which I believe is Only Death Is Real.com

and check that shit out and book some tickets. Book some tickets? Yeah, book some tickets. We've got a live album coming out. You know, hotly anticipated live album that we recorded on that last tour that we just did. We signed to Unified, the label. Great label, great guys, fucking bunch of legends. All of them, which is sick. So we're going with them. May the 17th, the live album's going to come out.

500 vinyl only. That's it. And digital, of course, but by the vinyl, because you're a cool person. And there's a video, it's probably out now with First World Problem Child with Sam Carter from the Roundhouse. that shit out anyway. It's late, isn't it? It's not Monday.

Been a bit busy. By a bit busy, I mean, I haven't found a guest in time, if I'm honest. The problem is people have different time zones, so it's quite difficult to match up sometimes. And then I had, I went to the trade win show yesterday in Manchester. I met some downbeat fans there. Shout out to you, my friends, from Hull. But lovely part of the world, Hull. And that's one letter away from hell.

Anyway, so I was at the Trade Wind show, and I fully intended on doing one with Jesse from Stitchy Guns and TradeGwind, because he's a dear friend. And we're going to do it this morning, and then basically I just left one of the cables that I needed for the microphone. So we didn't do that. So sorry about that, but he will be on at some point. So instead, I was just sort of sat around doing nothing. and then my friend Daniel P. Carter from, you might know him depending on how old you are. If you're now years old, being, you know,

zero, between zero and I'd say 16. No, zero and maybe 20. You'll know him from the BBC Radio One Rock Show on a Sunday, which he presents. But he's actually, as well as that, he's got his own podcasts, swim, someone who isn't me, where he has insane guests, you should check it out,

much higher calibre guests than this fucking dog shit. He's got like Chino from Death Tones, Marilyn Manson, stuff like that. So he does that. He's a very good artist. We didn't actually talk about art as much

as I would have liked to. Does artwork for, you know, everyone. He's got a very crazy way of doing his paintings. sort of ties into magic So we talk about magic a lot If you're older than that age And you might know him from the band A He was in that band for a while

He was in the Blood Town Gang for a bit He wrote some fucking He wrote music for people He's just generally a bit of a legend He's from Reading, he's a Reading boy I don't know how I know Dan Just from him being The Shining Light

in the UK heavy music scene you know I popp his radio show on it's insane that I'm going to suck him off too much but you know I think it's at 9 o'clock now at 9 o'clock on a Sunday but for a while it was 7 o'clock on a Sunday

you know he was in control of what majority of the people listening to the radio at that time listened to and he chooses chose chooses chooses to use that time to fly the flag, fly the flag, god damn it, I'm tired, for UK heavy music.

Anyway, we talk about a lot about magic. He's a very spiritual guy. By my own admission, I'm sort of like 30% spiritual, 70% just idiot. So, you know, talk about his dealings with mysticism and stuff. I can't really remember what else we talk about that much. It was very interesting. I had fun.

I laughed a lot. I can see the waveform. I'm looking at the waveform right now. And there's big spikes where I've been giggling. So I hope you enjoy it. The Downbeat with Daniel P. That's the start of the podcast. This is how we start a podcast, Dan.

I don't do that, you see. Dan Carter. Daniel P. Carter. What's the word? What do I call you here? Dan? Do you reckon? I could call you Dan.

Yeah, but sometimes it's Dan Carter and sometimes it's Daniel P. Carter. You got your broadcast name. Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that all came about a long time ago, just because I was in another band with another person called Daniel. Was he called Daniel Carter? No, but... Well, loads of people have been in bands

with someone who's got the same name as each other. Yeah, but it gets confusing, doesn't it? So then we started differentiating by different ways and then it ended up becoming like super formal. So then he was Daniel Allen Stewart and I was Daniel P. Carter. What's Daniel Allen Stewart doing now?

Is he on XFM? I don't know what he? he's doing now he's like um he's amazing guitar player he's still playing and stuff and doing shows and whatnot i think but um he does a lot of bjj now as well i see that on his insta but um yeah he's a he's a hard lad he's an art art not uh i don't know i wouldn't want to wrestle him that sounded weird that's how that's how i judge everybody now i walk into a pub and i just scan it really quick like Terminator and it's like specifically for wrestling would wrestle wouldn't wrestle well specifically just but not punching just wrestle it I don't know I'm just saying

because he does BJJ and I think that you know it's more that's not so much about striking is it's more about choking people unconscious and pulling their arms out of their sockets yeah it's an art isn't it punching people in the face is less of an art I'm not saying it's not an art now you're to get loads of people just come up to you at shows and punch you square in the face and scream at you, that is art. I mean, I said, I did, that's why I specifically said, I mean, it is still art, just less art. Did I say that?

That's what I meant to say. No, but you've done the clarification now, so you're all right, I think. Yeah, I think I'm fine. If anyone wants to fight me, then let's fucking go. I bet you can, Rao, can you? You look like you can. I did kickboxing for a bit. I did Muay Thai for a bit.

Ah, there you go. But it like... Moy Thai, the gym and drumming just turned my hips into like an 80-year-old man's hips. My hips do not lie. Yeah. You've revealed you like... I was going to say Achilles Hill,

but it's not. It's actually your Achilles hips. Someone just needs to give you a good kick in the hips and you're done. Oh, not even that. Someone just needs to get me down to a good club with a sound system. and I'll just be like, broken. That's it, he's done. What are you doing?

This came out of nowhere. I don't know, because we were meant to do this ages ago. And then, because I wanted to be the first geyser on here that wasn't a drummer. And then that got blown out of the water, didn't it? The problem was, because we had a phone, when you wanted to do that, we had a phone call and we actually caught up for about an hour. Yeah. And we should have just recorded that.

Yeah. And that would have been it. but then that used our quota of having not spoke to each other for a while. Yeah, of good chat. Of good chat. But now enough time has passed that you just messaged me earlier. Like, when are we doing a podcast? Did you meant, what did you do today?

You did a thing with Music Week about podcasts? Yeah, well, that's what made me think of it, yeah. Did you mention the downbeat podcast feature great ones? I was going to, and then I thought, Are you fucking wanker? No, it was just about swim, so. Oh, just about, you said about podcasts, Plural.

Yeah, no, he's the guy's doing an interview about a bunch of different podcasts, and he didn't say to me, what are your favourite podcast? Because if he had, the downbeat would have been the fourth one I mentioned. The fourth. I'll take fourth. I'll take four from one man who works for the BBC and broadcast him. Yeah. I'll take top five.

What's the other three? It would be Roon Soup. You ever listen to that? No. That's amazing. That's about magic and mystical shenanigans. Ooh. That's really good.

I listen to that a lot. I listen to last podcast on the left. Oh, I can't, I don't want to shit talk other podcasts. But you're about to. But I am about to. I can't handle more than two people on a podcast. Yeah, but they've got an interesting. interesting dynamic, haven't they? Because

I mean, they've got their whole schick worked out, I think. You know? I like it. I like all the topics, but the three people talking over each other and one one of them has got something to say, but so is the other one, he talks over him. And then the third one talks over them. Maybe I just listened to the wrong ones.

I think you've listened to the wrong one, because they seem to have their stuff together. I don't think it's too hard. I don't think it's a tough listen. Yeah, maybe I'm... Maybe my, you know, being part of the top five, maybe my standards is just very high. I think that's what it is. Maybe my broadcasting standards are higher than yours, Daniel P. Carter from Radio One, BBC Radio One. Well, that's what happens. You just get lazy. Just comfortable in it.

Yeah, I like those. And then I like, I like Duncan Trussle's Family Hour. He's amazing. I like that one, yeah. He's really good. And then I also listen to one called the Higher Side Chats, which is, just like really goes in on the whole kind of conspiracy theory like you know it's a different subject each week it's generally with people that have put out a weird fringe book um but yeah listen between that and room soup that's how i keep my sort of uh like my book list going of things to read that's pretty cool i'm glad you didn't say any of the fucking big normal ones everyone says, oh, I really like this one because

I'm a white 29 year old male. Well, I am not that, so that's probably why. Right, you're famously you know, 65 years old. Exactly. Look good for it, though, don't I?

You look very good for Gandalf. You're not that much older than me, but we're both from Reddy. Yes, I am. Oh, you are, aren't you? Are you tent? How old you? I don't know why I'm dancing around it Like is the, oh, it's a secret?

No, I'm 46. You do look good for 46. It's that vegan diet, isn't it? It actually is. Everyone I know that's vegan looks like little baby people. Yeah, but you're... And then I'm here looking like a fucking... Looking like a...

Land Before Time, the big rock monster thing. No, not Lamb Before Time. Fucking... What's the thing? What's the film with the dog that fly, Like never ending the story. The dog that flies? Never ending story.

It's not a dog? That's a dog, the thing that flies. Falcor. It's not a dog though, is it? Falcour is the dog. Not really. Jamie, Jamie, pull that up. Falcour.

Is Falcour a dog? It's not a dog. What is it? It's like a weird dragon. I've got here, flying cotton candy hot dog. Is Falcour? a dog.

Falcour is dog. I love the way that the internet's evolved that you don't even have to fucking. Is Falcour a dragon or a dog? Yahoo! Answers, which is the go-to for any kind of... He's a luck dragon. There you go. I told you he's a dragon.

A.k.a. A.k.a. A.k. Everyone knows dogs are actually the official animal term. The Greek is luck dragon. That's not true. Greek for dog. Greek for dog. Luck Dragon

Yeah so This is nice We're just gonna have a little chat You haven't mentioned me on the thing That you said you were having a thing I probably should though Because I do like your podcast It makes me laugh at a lot

Well yeah I sent him the first draft And he went it's got to be 800 words And I sent him like 1300 words And I said I can edit this if you want This would be like when I wasn't allowed on the radio idea on Rock Show, Dan. Well, that wasn't my business, was it?

I think you all know who that was. That wasn't your business. Can we talk about that? Actually, yeah, we can talk about that. She actually wants you to do one. No. Yeah. Why does she change their mind?

Because she watched a video where I actually hit the drums hard. She hates me. Daniel's producer hates me. She doesn't. Can you explain the story? So, the producer on my show, Carly,

listens to the podcast because I like it a lot and I've told people about it, you're welcome. And then we were talking about when I go away to places and we have people come in and, you know, like Depp my show.

And Sam and Dan from architects did it and who else has done it? Matt and Mark from Blink have done it. Frank Carter's done one. Well, don't say all those people. like now you've you know it's obvious why I haven't done it

oh the guys from blink you know the guys from architects you know we got fucking Marilynne Manson's going to do it yeah so exactly so there we go we should probably pair you up with someone well I said that get her while she sleeps her

yeah we get Matt to do it Matt's good isn't he me and me and Matt have a bit of bant chatty Matt he's good chatty Matt he's like a politician now aren't he doing his politics or maybe you can't have him

he won't pass the vetting that really well he's been on loads of stuff talking about Brexit I don't know if that makes him too politically charged says the man with songs called good night alt-right and songs

about policemen being naughty boys well you could probably just come on and talk about the songs that you're playing rather than going off on like some big political diatribe yeah I'll 100% do that, but I'll definitely just hook all the boys up with the PRS.

I'll be hooking that PRAC in between songs. We'll be playing straight from the path song just like on repeat in the background. That's what I do. That is not what I do. It just works out that way. You know, brutality will prevail. You use the beginning of the path for the longest time in between bits when you were talking. And every single time there was a PRS check, the majority of the money.

was from the Radio One rock show. Really? And it was like, why was the path used for like nine minutes? It's just a strange number and it's because you had, nouga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, yeah. Oh, that's weird. I never really, you see, these are things I don't think about. If I was smart, what I would do is just, can you hear that plane going over my house?

Well, yeah, I'm sure everyone can hear it now. You'll definitely hear it when you turn up the audio quality to the level that you require. Anyway, but yeah, if I was smart, I'd probably just write, like, use all beds of bands that I've been in. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's what I'm doing when I go on it. I'm not really. I'm not really. I'm a patient outlandish black metal. Yeah, well, you know.

But I would. There would be a hefty slice of my own music in there. I'd be like, this band's pretty good. Don't know who they are. Come on, lads. We go down the pub. Yeah. It's my first band, Lou Kang, from when I was 16 years old,

everyone in Britain listening to Radio One on a Sunday. Yeah, well, you should come on, though. I think it'll be good. I'll do it, I'll do it. To be honest with you, man, the thing is, like, you'll find that you probably don't want to talk that much because you just want to play music. Or that's how it is for me anyway.

Yeah, I just want to do this so I can, so my mum and dad will be proud of me. I don't... Oh, they're proud of you already. Yeah, I know, but imagine how proud. My dad would go mental if I was on Radio 1. You'd be telling everyone down goring and streetly golf society. Be going mental.

Well, there you go. All right. I'll see if I can make that dream come true. Well, that's official, right? So the next thing was you were just saying how straight from the path is going to do a maid of Vail. Do you want to just confirm that and then we can move on? Is this...

Is it just you trying to get work? Well, this is you This is why you asked me on your podcast I thought we're going to talk about mystical stuff We're going mystical stuff We're going mystical In a minute In a minute

So more people will listen to mine Do you just want to confirm that? Yeah, I'm happy to do that If you write some more Doing a maid of ale Write some more songs Yeah, they're done They're done

Well, when's the album done? Well, I can't talk about that yet It might be done I can't talk about that yet but it might already be recorded, Daniel. Okay, well, then when it might possibly end up in my inbox and I can actually play it on the radio, then we can have a serious conversation about you

maybe doing a session. But as it is, I do already play your band on the radio, and I did get you to play on my stage at Reading and Leeds. You're welcome. Look, I love you, and this was just a funny bit of banter, but also I've managed to twist it, Banther. This is a bit of funny bit of Star Wars Banther. Yeah, nice.

I've managed to twist it and now we're going to talk about you for maybe a whole hour. We'll get mystical in a minute, but... No, you said... And you... Yeah, okay, this is a thing.

So you said, you do this with me so that I got more listeners to my podcast, thereby implying that you're getting shit tons of listeners and I'm very curious as to how many you're getting,

maybe we should have this conversation not during the podcast. but I would like to know. I'm sure you've got more than me because no, I don't think I do. Someone someone who isn't me. Yeah.

Do you know what? I nearly said there. Someone what I met. Because I used to remember on like, on like drug experience forums, you know, like eroward and stuff like that. That's why it's called that.

That's why it's called swing. I get it. I get it. I'm good at that. Right. So there'd be people that were talking about like, they wanted to talk about. an acid trip and how much they should take or whatever

but obviously legally you can't have that so people would say so swim or whatever and that that men means someone who isn't me but I used to think it was someone who I met amazing anyway your podcast has got like Marilynne Manson and stuff on it

you've definitely got more listeners I don't know I don't know about that let's not talk about numbers here but I've had some good ones though if I'm you know if I am going to blow my trumpet for a split second. Yes. We're going to blow your trumpet right now.

Who's the biggest one? Don't tell me the numbers, but who's the most listened to? Do you know what? The most listened to one is Dan. So is mine. And that kind of annoys me. Yeah. Because it's grief tourism, I think.

Jesus. It's not. I don't think it is. I think, all right, it might be for you. But for mine. I think the whole way that, well, you know how it came about. He said, he would, they were about to go on tour of North America, I think, and a bunch of magazines were asking him to come and do, like do interviews,

which was, that's, that's what they wanted it to be, you know. And he said, so can I come on the podcast and we'll talk about everything now? And then when people hassle me about it, I can go, no, just go and listen to this, everything you want to know is in there. And then I don't have to have those conversations with people that I don't know and don't like. Yeah, which makes sense for your... In fact, mine, he's a drummer and he's a very good drummer and he's in the biggest band and it's a drum podcast.

I don't know why I said the grief tourism thing. No, I know. Well, you know what I mean? Such a dark thing to say. I'm a dark human being. I know. But now I've said it out loud, thinking about it, it is a drum podcast. He is in the biggest band that's been on my podcast.

And you were his drum tech, so, yeah. So, yeah. But Sam is second on mine as well. Oh, okay. Really? Yeah, I deliberately, we didn't talk about anything like that. He's well down on mine. Is he?

Yeah, just what I mean. No, I'm kidding. I'm only being a prick. I don't know, actually. I don't really look at the numbers that much. I do know that Dan is... No, because it doesn't matter. It's not about that, is it?

It's about having conversations with people. people that I find interesting. But, yeah, I've had some good ones. I'm ticking them off. But, yeah. Who's number two, then? Your one with Dan was really fucking good. It was heavy, though.

I mean, yeah. Again, yeah, it was heavy, but it was nice. I don't know. Let me have a look. Let me log into my thing on A-cast, and I can try and see. A-cast. Are they any good, are they? I mean that it is what it is

It means I can do my Doing an episode And just upload it without any hassle And don't need to think about it So that's I just want ease And yeah They've been very good for that

Is it free or do you pay No it's free I pay for mine What? What? You pay for them to host it Yeah Well you don't need to do that Because I bet you're getting good numbers too

But I think think it said because it was like you can either have it only up to this quality for free or you can have it at 320 MP3 quality or whatever and I'll just pick that one. It's not much. Like 80 quid a month? What's that fucking 10 t-shirts? See you later. Not 80 quid a month.

I mean 80-credit a year, not eight-quit-a-month. But men wouldn't pay that. Right. Wouldn't even pay that across my three gym memberships. Carry on. Right, so the biggest one, looking at it now. Biggest one is Dan. Don't, yeah.

No, I'm not going to tell you numbers. Second biggest is Corey from Slipknot. Dan's bigger than Corey from Slippers. And Chino. Chino's next. Maynard is fourth. You and your mates, they're mental people. Olly is number five.

Yeah, I haven't listened to that one. Yeah, it's a good one. Ollie's number five. Sam is actually number six, above Marilyn Manson. That's good for Sam. I think, but to be honest with you, and no disrespect to him,

because I do love him, that got a big boost after the one with Dan. So a lot of people came and listened to the one with Dan because that got a lot of press as well that we'd done that one. And then off the back of that,

a lot of people then went and listen to Sam's one. my Sam one is probably it's pretty up there with with Dan's one I think he will overtake Dan on mine really actually heard from a lot of people that I'm going to have a look right now they've listened to that one multiple times which is insane because I've never listened to podcast twice yeah no do you ever listen back to your own podcasts sometimes if I can't remember what it was like. The only one in mine that I think I've ever listened back to a couple of times is the ones of Alan Moore and that's just because it took me that long to take in everything he said to me.

I love that episode. That episode is my favorite episode of your podcast. Yeah, it's pretty cosmic, isn't it? Have you ever listened to, if anyone doesn't know who Alan Moore is, he wrote V for Vendetta and Watchman. And from hell. and he's a mystical, mystical man. But have you listened to the fucking Kevin Smith podcast with him?

No. Is that good? It's incredible. Do they talk about comics, though? Yeah, there's a fair bit of... Because that's what I'm saying. I would have thought that those two would talk about comics a lot, but I know that Alan doesn't really like talking about comics that much.

Or not the older ones so much, anyway. just because of the, like, you know, obviously he's got like a bad taste in his mouth after the film's got made. Yeah, I wonder, which films does he actually have a bad? All of them, any one of his that's been made into a film. I mean, Watchman was dog shit. Yeah, he hates Watchman, he hates Vefa Vendetta, he hates, was it, from hell? I don't know about that.

I don't think he's that keen on it. And also what's, um, the, uh, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Which Never bothered watching that Comic's good Do you know what I'm a fucking I'm talking shit

Although I love Alan Moore It was actually Grant Morrison On the Kevin Smith one And the Alan Moore podcast is yours Have you listened to the Grant Morrison No But I will do Because he and I have been meaning

To do one for quite a while actually But he was in LA for a long time Because I think they were doing it was when they first started doing happy you know that show on Netflix yeah because I really want to do one with Grant because I think we'd get on we've definitely got a lot of common ground

you know he did he talks about this this time when he climbed these fucking steps in Peru these Aztec steps where it's like if you can get to the top in one breath then you you'll reach enlightenment and he says he got he managed do it and got to the top in one breath and he fully tripped out. Yeah, well, but that's, that's obvious though, isn't it? Because breath technique is one of the ways of reaching an altered state of consciousness.

So, and holding one's breath is also going to do that, especially if you're exerting yourself by climbing. No? Steady on. Well, I thought it was more mystical than that, but you're, you're, well, no, I'm fucking. No, it's, it's both. It's both those things, isn't it? Because it's a, it's a physical practice that's going to then bring about a mystical experience. Yeah, we used to do that school. Yeah, the Yeti. The Yeti. The Yeti.

That's what it was called with us, where everyone would smoke, then spin round, and then you'd lean against the wall, and somebody would press on your chest until you blacked out. Hey, I'm going to have to edit that out because people are going to do it now, and it's definitely died out, but it was definitely a Reading thing. Yeah. With bastards, we called it. Same thing.

Bastards. Hey, give me a bastard. Oh, fuck off. Yeah, go on then. and then you'd like fully pass out. Hey, I don't think I don't think I can have this on the podcast though. Why? Because I don't want people to do it.

Well, come on. How old are you listeners? They're not like 12, are they? Yeah, true. All right, yeah, fuck it. It says explicit material when you click it anyway. Yeah. But some kid cracked his head open in our schools, so we all stopped.

We were like, oh, that was a bit scary. Yeah. Did everyone, did everyone? Did everyone scatter as well? Just left him in a pool of blood. That's the worst, in it. Fidgetting. Fidgetting away.

Kids are the worst, man. You've got kids. How's that? Yeah, it's amazing. I said kids are the worst and they'd like, yeah, it's amazing. And you also said, you said, I know. I said, you've got kids. You said, I don't know, as if, like, you've forgotten for a second.

How old are your kids? I thought to talk about kids on your podcast. Whoa. 20. 20. 20. I have a 20 year old son who is a grown man and a 12 year old daughter.

It's wild, isn't it? I am old, I told you this. See, this is the thing. I don't think people realize I'm that old and then I'll go to shows with my son and I think people think I'm like some weird old guy hanging out with this young dude and they're like, we'll be having a conversation

and they look at me kind of weird and then I'll go, oh, this is my son. son. Yeah, because it's like, I didn't know that Danipi Car was into that. His young toy boys. 20. So you were how old when you had? Obviously you didn't have him.

26? Fuck. Yeah, I'm 32. I ain't got any kids. I love the thing that has to happen to have kids. But all the other bit. What, test tubes. That's what it'll be.

That's what it will be if you leave it too long. I love petri dishes. I love petri dishes. Nah, what? I'm just saying, I'm not going to be that guy, but don't leave it that long. I'm just saying. My miss is younger than me. I've deliberately picked one that's younger.

Wow. She's 27. She might be 28, actually. Wow. Buy myself a bit of mileage. You know, not like that. Fuck me. that sounds bad.

I'm going to cancel myself. I meant my elage in terms of having a child because... You're just getting rough, isn't it? It's getting rough. I'm going to stop. Yeah. Kids on the horizon then for me. Yeah, good, great.

So your podcast has big names. Big, big names. But there's not that many. That's not that many episodes. Yeah. Do you want to hear that Oh, we've already done the list We've done the top five, haven't we?

Yeah, but how long, how many episodes you got? That's such a high quality. So only like 26, 27, 27, no, 28. 28 episodes. That's, yeah, but you think I've been doing it for two years. There should have been well more than 28. But I don't want to do them,

I don't want to do them like this. Not that this isn't fun What do you mean you don't want to do them like this? Because Yeah this is good fun But what I'm saying is When you're actually sat down with someone Especially when you're trying to talk about

Mystical shit It's much better to be sat with them And connect with them Without sounding too weird about it I was supposed to do one this morning With Jesse from Stitchy Guns Tradewind because they stayed at my house last night. Oh, yeah?

After their... Their roaring, rip-roaring set in Manchester. How was it? Was it decent? It was really good. Especially considering can't swim were on down the road as well.

Yeah. So, it's like very similar... Yeah, yeah. You know, hardcore kids that like crying. Like similar, similar vibe. Hello there. So, yeah, but I was supposed to do.

one with Jesse this morning and I fucking forgot an extra XLR. So that was it. Didn't do it. Stayed in bed. There you go. I do agree. The ones that I do in person have a lot of flow to them.

But I can't really get the same amount of them done in person. Because people don't They don't want to do it at a show. Like, oh yeah, I'll come backstage and we'll do a podcast. No one wants to do press.

It's the worst bit of being in the band. It's not press though, is it? Or I don't like to think of it as that, but yeah. I don't think of it as that. Here's an interesting thing while we're talking about that. I mean, it kind of is in the sense that I know that your podcast will reach more listeners than certain publications will get. Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it?

Yeah, it is because you think about it. The whole thing's changed because now you can go, especially when you speak to a press officer for a band and you're like, oh yeah, I wanted to get them to do, you know, I want them to come in and do something for the show and they're like, yeah,

of course. And then I'm like, and then maybe we could do a podcast afterwards. And they're like, yeah, well, yeah, we've got to go and do,

I don't know, I'm not even going to say names of something else. Yeah. And I think, well, that's cool, but I know. That's going to get less people.

Yeah. I think press agents. It's an old mindset in a way, but a lot of them get it. Like, people are, you know Adam's a good, don't you? Yeah. Adam gets it. Adam knows the score. But, um...

It's changing, isn't it? It's changing. And the people who are doing this from their fucking dining room table, because they're bored, are going to be running the show later on. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. I feel like...

It's very punk, in it. I like it. I love it. It's the only, the only thing I've ever known is, like, what, start a band when I'm 13. How do we record? I don't know, but I've heard that you could get a tape and then you can use an old stereo with a mic in and then you can put cellar tape on a tape that you already own

to then record onto that. No one knows what you're talking about. I do, but no one else does. This is how my band's first demo was done. My mom and dad had like a boombox thing which for some reason had a mic. Yeah. And we put cellar tape over the top of a.

cassette of a cassette tape because that would make it be able to be recorded on and then we recorded through that and then I used the phono out from there into the sound card on my Windows 95 computer and then played it into that sound recorder which was the sound equivalent of paint and then that became a WAV file and then I downloaded the cracked copy of Cool Edit Pro I think it was called and then I made an MP3 with that. Wow. Punk. Yeah. It's wicked man.

I think the thing is right, because everyone can start a pot. It's like everyone has the opportunity to start a band. It's just that not everyone should. Right? Yeah. And the same with podcast. Podcasts is even easier. Anyone can start a podcast and that

is brilliant. Like the egalitarian nature of it is amazing. but that doesn't mean say you should. Yeah, I was well nervous starting mine. No, I'm not. I didn't mean you. I'm just saying, yours is ace.

No, no, no, I wouldn't be talking to you now otherwise. In general, though, I was worried. Why? Because I didn't know it was going to be good. Could have been shit. Yeah, but then, yeah, I guess. But then no one would have heard it, so it wouldn't have mattered either way.

But it would have looked so bad. You know, we've all got mates or whatever that do something and you think when they've done it well that didn't go very well did it I just didn't want to be that guy is that what you do for your mates you're like like a grading system of all their endeavours not a grading system but if I've got a mate who starts like a clothing company

with no no research yeah with no yeah fucking trust pilot with no um like they'll start a clothing line or something By mate, I mean like, Acquaint-Ats. Yeah. Like, a mate would say, I'm thinking of starting a clothing company,

here's what it's called, and I'd say, that's a shit name, or that's a good name. But then you see it, and then you go, oh, that didn't go very well, did it? Yeah, but that's like when you go and see mate's bands as well,

in it, because sometimes you have to do the, like, Christmas face, like, we've just opened up a Christmas present that you don't like, and you have to sort of style it out. Yeah. And there's always those, set like replies of when someone goes, what do you think of the set?

And there's like if someone, you know for a fact someone hated your show. If you go, what do you think? And they go, yeah, it looked like you guys were having a lot of fun up there. That is the worst one. That's the worst one. That's not even in the books anymore because that's so obvious. Yeah. Yeah, you look like you're having a good time.

AKA it was poison to my ears. Or like, oh, I love your merch. That's a bad one T-shirts are good T-shirts are good Yeah Do you like it Yeah

Going well is it Cool But yeah Like I think I saw a couple I think I saw a couple Of a couple of other Drum podcasts Pop-up

Oh yeah What since Yeah Well you're There you go That's great Because you're an innovator Yeah

But they're all shit Well there you go Exactly But it was funny because instinctively I was like, oh, let's have a look, because it's going to be annoying, like treading on each other's toes or whatever,

and then it ends up, it wasn't a problem. Yeah, there's one that I looked at that was a kind of art-based podcast, and they were getting a lot of people on that I've, you know, kind of spoken to in the past about getting on, and then they started getting a few musicians on as well. And I was like, oh, no. And then I listened to one, and it was Pony.

Yeah, the quality is always a big one for me And I think for the listener, even if they don't know it But the ones that are done on Skype, nope If there's a podcast and it's done on Skype, I'm not fucking listening. Oh, Matt, yeah, but, you know, I don't know. Like I said about that one Rune soup earlier, that's one of my favorite podcasts.

And he does his on Skype and he'll just go, I live on a farm in Tasmania And the Skype connection was crap And it cuts out in a couple of places Get over it. Well, I'll tell you what, Dan. I'll tell you what, Dan, I'm not listening to that. You would listen to it.

Well, you're missing out. I'm the equivalent of the A&R guy that gets the CD, or wherever he gets these days, a fucking USB. I pop it on, nine seconds of intro, nope, throw it in the bin. It could be Oasis, straight in the fucking bin. That's not here, but, you know, you're missing out. I'm a fucking evil,

I'm an evil baddie from a movie that runs like a fucking conglomerate. I don't know what I'm talking about Like a podcast villain Just like sat here like What's your podcast? Like oh well actually I've got Stephen Hawking Back from the Dead on it

Well what quality Well we just fucking It's on Skype Yeah What's a bit rate Of course he's on Skype Yeah but we Yeah you know

Fucking Nah you're out Sorry I'm not listening I'm not listening I'm not listening Well you are missing out Because there's some amazing

conversations on that one But again That's why I've only done as many episodes as I've done because, A, I don't want to do ones with people that, like, even though they're my mates, I'm sure there's like mates I've got in bands that have kind of sat around going, oh, why hasn't he asked me to do a podcast yet? Because most of the people that I get on it are people that, A, well, no, I'll be careful what I'm saying,

because people think I don't respect them if I haven't asked them to be on it. It's people that I respect, but also ones that I have as, kind of an inkling that there's something in what they do in their art or their music that I think that I've think that I've seen something in that I want to find out whether or not

I'm right and find out their opinions about it and I mean like the mystical stuff so yeah do you know what I mean? Yeah they're all you got mystical guests plus I also want to become mates with everyone oh yeah fuck me I'll be mates for fucking Maynard

Chino, get them on. You know what? In all seriousness, like since, like I was mates, like Chino I was good with anyway, but like Maynard, I'd only ever met him once before

and that was when I went to see Toll play when I was a lot younger and it went so bad because my mates were friends of his and they were like, do you want to come and say hello to him? And I was like, yeah. And it was so bad. Like, it was after the show,

like they'd played and I was wiggie. out while Toole was playing and there was like a massive geyser in front of me that looked like a man bear and he just turned round for some reason I think it was when I had long hair I might have given him like like when I was flinging knits like I might have caught him with the with the end of my hair or something you know what I mean and he just turned around and grab me by the throat and yeah yeah yeah turn around grab me by the throat and uh and like I had like a um kind of like like a necklace thing on. Jinko jeans?

No, I wasn't. But just by saying that out loud, it makes me feel like, yeah, I was probably deserved to get choked out. Can I find out what year was this? What tour was it? Oh, it was, uh,

it was probably just as maybe before undertoe. I don't know if they came in, but like, before undertoe. Yeah, when opiate came out. I don't know if it was then, but it was at the LA, it was at the L.A.

So that was a mean fiddler. So that was, I don't know, man. Like 94. Yeah, about 94. Anyway, so this geezer grabbed me, broke my beads. And then... I'm so sorry. No, it's fine.

I deserve it. Literally saying out. The Wad fire is perfectly faded out. Sorry, carry on. All right. So, and then afterwards my mates were like, do you want to come and say hello to Maynard? And I was like, yeah.

And around the back of the LA2, there was like an alleyway, which actually went down into the Astoria as well. Anyway, so we went out in the alleyway and he stood there. He's just done a show and this was like in the phase where he had like a weird Mohawk skullet type thing and would wear like, you know, like prospector style long john all in one bodysuit type things. You know the ones that wear like in a cowboy film where it looks like they've got buttons at the back that they just undo and they need to have a dump. Absolutely, yeah. You know what I'm talking about, right?

Oh, big time. Okay. So, and he's like stood in the alleyway, like all sweating and stuff. And I'm just kind of stood like a few feet back from my mates while they're talking to him. And he kind of looks past them and they go, oh, this is our mate Dan. And he said something like, oh, hey, how's it going? What did you think of the show? what I should have said was like you guys looked like

you're having a lot of fun up there I love your merch I love your merch what I said was I was like yeah it was amazing I thought it was great but some guy grabbed me by the throat and broke my beads and he just went

oh he broke your beads no way and I just went see ya walked up did you tell him this when you did the podcast yeah no well I didn't tell him that but I was going to say because I can't remember that because I've listened to that one.

No, but when I, that was the only time I'd spoke to you before. And then I got asked to give him an award at the Metal Hammer Awards last year, I think. Yeah. And we were sat in the dressing room area

and he was like, so do you know what you're going to say? And I said, I'll probably just say about the tell the story about when I first met you. And he gave me a weird looking and he went, was I a cunt? And I went, no. He went, was I me? And I was like, yeah.

And he just laughed and was like, yeah, yeah, tell that. That's funny. But yeah, I mean, it is nuts to do these things and to like, I mean, to do the show, but I think more so doing the podcast because you actually have more time sitting down with somebody and getting into the, like, you know, properly getting into it that you become mates with them, even if you weren't to start with. But yeah, here and I are good now, man, like to get messages from him. and stuff is still a trip.

Yeah, it's fucking crazy. No, I haven't heard it either, by the way, which that's what you were then going to ask. I wasn't even going to put you on a spot there because you can't, even if you had, you can't really talk about it. I can't fucking wait. I just can't wait.

Did you see that they did those two songs that, welcome to Rockville? I did, but I started listening and I was like, nope, this is, this is a job for the vinyl edition, and a pen that has a magical environment happening and then that's what I could be doing.

Yeah, because... Not off some idiot's iPhone where he's shouting, what's up, man, to his buddy next to him. Yeah. Yeah, I'm exactly the same. I will say this, though. They did one of the songs I started to listen to

and the riff was so similar to a riff that I wrote for Crocodile but ditched because I was like, nah, it sounds too much like, Tall. How weird is that? That's fucking weird. When I had Dan on the podcast, we were talking about the tool album or whatever and looking

forward to it. And then we talked about how if they hadn't got one yet, all they need to do is employ Josh Middleton because he can create perfect emulations of bands. Yeah. And then Josh sent me actually a clip. He was like, yeah, I heard your podcast. I'll just bang this out. And he sent me like a minute and a half but sounded like tall.

Even like the production, everything. It was fucking sick. Me and him need to get together because I used to do that a lot. I would get obsessed with bands and then everything I was writing would sound like that band and I couldn't see past it. So what I would do is I would record four songs, write and record four songs that sounded like the band that I was currently obsessed with and then put them on MySpace with a fake band, like profile.

Were you the guy that used to make the songs online once? that would be like corn, slip-knock, death tones, rage against a machine, all in the family, like, you know, some fucking Napster shit. No, but similar. I used to download all of those, and I was always disappointed. Sepultura, Raid Against the Machine, Tool, combination song, and it's just some fucking local band. Yeah. Tools music, every single album in fact,

is just does something else to me. I used to, in my old apartment when I used to hate my life before I met my wife, I was probably, I was probably clinically fed up, boo-hoo. I used to drink night nurse. and listen to Tull and try and stay awake. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, excuse, disclaimer, don't do bastards or whatever you used to call them because you might crack your head open.

And don't drink, I used to drink the recommended amount of night nurse. And then force yourself to stay awake. And then force myself to stay awake. I wouldn't exceed the dosage because I'd die. That would be committing suicide. And although I was quite depressed, I don't think I was that depressed. You're essentially drinking.

before everybody got into it. It was essentially like an early sort of medieval lean. But I would listen to Toll and I would fully like leave my body. Yeah. It was a wonderful time. Do you know what? That's what does my head in when I meet people that say they don't like Tool, which I find so hard to comprehend.

Like one of my mates is the biggest Death Tones fan on the planet and hates Tull. And I'm like, what? Yeah, exactly. How is that even possible? And then he'll say something like, oh, all the riffs just sound the same. I'm like, that's because there's a reason they do certain things. And they're like playing certain frequencies over and over. And they also invented that sound.

So let them have it. Yeah. You don't sit and listen to ACDC and go, bit samey, in it. Yeah. Does he fucking love load and reload then, the same guy? I don't know. exactly do I mean though that's like

that same person probably is like yeah I hate what Metallica is now oh so you're saying they maybe should have stuck with the same riffs yes yes but yeah

who's your dream podcast you've had probably your dream podcast guests who's your dream who's your dream? I don't know I still want to do Grant Morrison as I said

I still, I want to do one with Robert Smith. I'm desperate to do that. I want to do one with Trent Resner and I want to do one with Nick Cave. So no, not setting it high. But I feel like... You could do all those. I don't know.

I don't think Robert Smith and I don't think Nick Cave. Robert Smith lately has been incredible with any kind of press. Oh, mate. You're just killing it. Just so good, isn't it? It's so British. I let my dog in, she's been annoying. Keep talking.

All right. No, no, I'm saying he would be perfect, I think, and all the stuff that, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame stuff was just so perfect. Like pure meme, like, genius. But I don't think he, I don't think he was even doing it to be,

he wasn't doing it to be a dick, yeah, he was just like, that's, yeah, perfect. What happened? She said, are you really excited or whatever? And he was like, not excited as you. Yeah, she was just so, But to be fair, in her defense, if you watch the whole thing, like you hear her off camera, when they're walking onto the red carpet,

she says to like her producer or whoever, she's like, oh my God, we've got to get the cure, we've got to get the cure, that'll be everything. Like, she's so... Oh, that's cool. She's obviously a huge fan, but then totally shits the bed, because when she then gets up to him, she's like, oh my God, like this. And then it's like, he was a good. excited as I am and he goes, uh, no, not by the sound of it.

And it's just like, not by the sound of it. And then he broke her beads. Yeah. Oh, you broke your beads. Then he took, he rips the bees off in there. I love that. I would love video evidence of the bead break while, uh, skinny young me getting like choked out.

Four degrees, four degrees is playing in the background and you're getting choked out. That's my favorite tool. That's my favorite tool. And everyone's like, what? I haven't even heard it. Like, are you fucking kidding? Yeah. Four degrees. It's got an incredible fill near the end.

It's got that weird sort of bangra-sounding guitar in the intro. And it's possibly about putting ding-dongs in bum-bums. That's what you like it. Yeah, yeah. It's got a pretty... Is it that about that, though? Is it... You know what I mean?

I went down a hole about reading that. Pardon the pun. Pardon the pun. about reading about that song. Yeah. But that's what I like about it. Everything's so... Amazing and perfect.

Esoteric. Esoteric? Yeah. See, this is the thing, right? When I did the podcast with him, it was the first time I'd sat down and had a proper conversation with him. And he is quite...

He's a very closed insular person, right? He doesn't normally do an awful lot of press. And then I'm trying to go... like just get to the nuts and bolts and go so magic let's talk about that and I haven't listened back to it I think it's all right but I remember when I did it somebody sent me a message and it was like

on social media and it was like it sounds like you didn't like your questions and it's like well how was your conversation with him mate yeah also what do you mean questions that's making that's turning it into press yeah exactly I don't ever want it to be that But that you know

Some of them start off like that Like the one with Nurgau Recently was a bit like that It's you know You always talk about the album or whatever And then you get into the good stuff Yeah Anyway so magic

Let's talk about that I'm using your I'm using what you didn't want to do But I want to do it Okay What do you want to know Well I want to know You already know

That's the still it you already know. Yeah, I know, but the people who just don't know. But no, but even, that's what I'm saying, everyone knows, they just don't know. So what I want to, I want you to explain what your views on, what magic is. Oh, come on. That's such a big question, isn't it?

Yeah, but. Projection of will to alter reality. Well, there you go. there's the fucking answer. Yeah. And we all do it on a daily basis, even if you're aware that you're doing it or even if you're not,

you are making decisions and you're wishing or hoping or praying and that will get a lot of people's backs up because they'll say it's nonsense. But you can affect your own reality and then you'll start to see it when the more and more it happens, like weird synchronicities will happen

and it will happen more and more often to the point where you suddenly go, that's not weird anymore, That's just what it is. Yeah, and you need that breakthrough moment where it gets so weird. It starts getting really weird. Me and Tom from Australia, because we talk about us a lot. We call it the hologram.

And we're like, because obviously no one on the fuck, well, maybe some people on earth, but no one really fucking knows what the fuck we're in right now. Like what this is. Yeah, but that's another way of rationalising it, isn't it, from a scientist's perspective, that it is like, oh, well, we're all living inside this hologram and reality is actually just a program that's running and it gets all a little bit matrix. But, yeah, that's one way of looking at it.

Or you can look at it in, I don't know, more sort of philosophical or mystical or mystical spiritual terms. It's all the same thing, though, in it, regardless of how you want to view it. But yeah, but we just call it hologram because it's when something happens that's so fucking weird. Yeah. That it's just like, well, that is definitive proof that something else is happening than what we know. Beyond the five senses. Yeah. Well, that's just it, isn't it?

Because that's how we view everything and react to everything is because we have our five senses. And that's the inputs that we get information from. And that's like saying you can't just go, well, that's all there is. Because therefore how... A lot of people do do that, don't they? Yeah, but yet they're still happy to go, well, obviously radio waves exist and obviously Wi-Fi exists. And it's like, well, you're not seeing. Yeah, but you're not seeing that.

You can't physically interact with that. So therefore, by your own parameters. Yeah. And that's just, that's just like a super basic way of looking at it, you know. Like that scares me. When you get into quantum physics and you'll see that, that two atoms are reacting to each other over a course of a, you know,

over vast distances. Oh, that fucking, have you seen that split, I've forgotten what it's called the split experiment? I don't know. Where they, where they, where they do,

where they do, basically a man does the splits and a woman does the split. Over a Bunsen burner. Over a Bunsen burner. And whoever burns first is a witch. Magic. No, it's like,

it's like, it's called spooky. Do you know that's called? spooky action at a distance, I believe, is the technical term for it. And that's what they've actually called it. It's amazing. Spick action. Spick action.

Spock action at a distance. Amazing. What's called that? What the... When things actually... When two atoms are aware of each other and react accordingly, even though they're ridiculous distance apart. Which is how you can then start to justify things like remote viewing and things like that.

because science has proven that these things happen. And also the other thing about those, a lot of those experiments is they'll only work if somebody's viewing them. You know that? So therefore that shows you... This is the thing that I'm trying to remember. Yeah, that shows you that consciousness

actually affects the outcome of reality. So the thing that I'm thinking of is, it's like an experiment where they fire one atom. Like, essentially, I'm talking, on a quantum level, but I'm going to make it up to sort of paintball level. Let's just say it's a donut. No, it's a paintball. It's a paintball and a paintball gun, right?

But this is at a nano-molecular level. They get an atom, one single atom, and they fire it through like a letter box type thing to hit the, to hit a wall on the other side. It's acting like a particle and a wave. It depends exactly that. Yeah. And it only...

Can you listen to Dillinger Escape Plan? I listened to the Danger Escape Planet earlier today but not that song but so they fire it I know you probably already know this but the listener you know I've got to think about the listener so they fire the paintball through this thing and it hits the wall as normal

and then they put a second slit there and for some reason the pattern that hits the wall is far different and they discovered that when it's being viewed the atoms act like a wave so they have a wavy sort of thing to hit the wall and that's why it's different. But when they're doing it

when they're not observing it, it goes straight through. Like a part, yeah, the particle, yeah. The particle, the wave and they don't know why, and no one can explain why. It's because consciousness is so not understood and it's everything. And that's what magic is.

That's fucking mental. And when you get, right, it's a weird one, right? Because when you, if you're going to look at it, right? So, or he slapped his finger. together. Right. Here we go. Prior to science, as we know it, there was the four runners of science were obviously mysticism and alchemy, right? And then science grew out of alchemy and for a long time, they ran in tandem hand in hand and they were both considered, you know, the same thing. Like,

that's, it's weird when you think that somebody like Isaac Newton, obviously like one of the most legendary scientists that ever existed was at the same time, and it's never really, spoken about was involved in deeply involved in alchemy but no one really wants to talk about that because it's like because then they feel like that all makes him sound like a crackpot yeah like it'll detract from his thing i'm reading a really good book at the moment actually um called uh what is it it's american cosmic so american psycho but it's more sort of but way more cosmic way more cosmic yeah it's called american cosmic by uh scientist called D.W. Pesolka.

I listened to a broadcast of a very day. Great. Great. But it's talking about the UFO phenomena and then how that ties in with magic. And I've lost my track of what I was going to say. I totally forgot what I was going to say. I just started thinking about American Psycho. It proved it. That was my fucking fault.

You've derailed the thought train. Well, that was part of my magic, Daniel. I'm sort of... Maybe it was meant to be... All right. So ignoring that, we'll go back to something else. No, you're talking about alchemy. You're talking about alchemy.

Yeah, so loads of scientists, oh, there we go. So loads of scientists were involved in things that they probably didn't want to talk about. And then loads of scientists now are super interested in the phenomena, which is what kind of UFOs and alien life form and all of that kind of stuff gets kind of put under that umbrella, right? and loads of them are doing investigations into it and experiments but nobody wants to talk about it because it feels like they'll they'll just be considered laughing stock but all these things that are getting done now you know will be just accepted

in the I think fairly near future like what what are they doing Dan all sorts man come on like science is very is rooted in presentism, right? So that everything that we know up to now, everyone thinks, well, that's it. That's science.

Everything we know now. So that's it. Yeah. But if that's how science worked, we'd still just be living in the dark ages, right? Yeah, flat earth as well. We'd be like, yeah, that's flat. Okay. Well, they're back.

They are back in a big way, actually. I've told you about, oh, no, we'll have that couple of. will say Shalaya. Oh, what? Yeah, you're going to fucking drop someone in it, aren't you? Yeah. Someone's going to be a flat earther. No, you can't.

Can't announce that, but after this, you can tell me who it is. Yeah, and it'll blow your mind. Um, yeah. I'm not going to listen to your next three sentences because I'm trying to think of it is. So yeah, presentism. That's, that, you can't, you can't live like that as far as science goes. And what I was trying to say was back in the day, science and magic or forms of were considered to be two strains of the same thing, two sides of the same coin.

And then science took over and rightly so. But that's not to discredit the fact or discount that we don't know everything. And consciousness clearly affects a lot of everything, but we're only just discovering that. So therefore, magic, if you want to call it that, is just the manipulation and use of consciousness to alter things. Sounds like I'm really high right now, but I'm not. No, no, no, no, no. Well, we did start this at 420. We did.

But do you know what annoys me about it? Anyone that's currently sat there scoffing, I bet if they actually think about it, They've had really weird, unexplainable things happened in their life that they've tried to fit in a box and it won't fit, so they've just ignored it. Yeah, no, I don't think anyone's scoffing, really. I don't think we've got scoffers on the downbeat. It'll be a few scoffers.

Nah, the scoffers wouldn't be here by now. They'd have listened to a couple of episodes. It'd be like, this guy's fucking nuts. I ain't listen to this shit. I ain't listen to shit. I'm going to listen to fucking some bollocks. I was going to call out some other people Some other job podcast

Just the other shit The thing that annoys me about it right Is I need to know more answers And it annoys the fuck I mean Particularly But you don't have to know the answers You just have to be aware of them When these things are happening

And the more aware you've become of them And the more you actually look into it I can do you a book list if you want But the more things you read about, you start to find that they happen more and more. I don't know if I've told you this, but... You once levitated. No, when we're talking about... No, I did once smash a light bulb with my mind, but we'll get to that in the minute.

Perfect. On Dan Searle's stag do, we talked about this before. Do you know this story? I don't know. On Dan Selstag do. We were, you know, doing, I mean, it was an architect's me, V man, you know, wasn't it. Okay, yeah. So it was a stag do, but it was like a weird sort of, sort of our version of a stag do.

Anyway, we're in Cornwall. We're doing whatever, just hanging out and whatever. It's pretty fun. We're about to go out on the lash. And we're just like, we're all on like this cliff top because we're in New King. Yeah. One of those cliffs up, we're just hanging out.

No one's really talking. We're like smoking a bifter. No one's really talking. But at that moment in time, I was thinking, you know, Tom should be here. And I'm sure every other fucker

was thinking Tom should be here. Yeah. And a kid walks onto the beach below us. Hmm. Writes the name Tom in sand really big. And walks off. There you go. What the fuck?

Freddy's got a photo of it. I think I might have posted it on my Instagram on the last anniversary. Yeah. But the whole Tom thing in general has fucking changed my life and the way I think about things and seeing you talked about it,

I think with Dan, and how much you have, Tom, you see in Dan. And I see the most insane amount in it, in him now, even like the way he looks. But this kid, I was thinking about it

And then, you know what, this kid came and if Freddy didn't have the photo, I would forget that it actually happened. Yeah. It was huge. He didn't just write it in small. He wrote it in fucking huge. He was on his own, just a kid. And then he walked off. And no one talked about it.

None of us said it to each other. Yeah, but you don't need to, do you? It was so fucking weird. But, yeah, but man, that's what I'm saying. Those things are just, yeah, they are weird, but at the same time, they're not. are they? Because it just shows you that it is a thing

that everything... Yeah, but I need to know this is what I'm doing right now is I'm watching Breaking Bad Series 8, episode 9. Right? My life is episode 9. And I need to know

episode 10. And the only way to know episode 10 is to die. Well, yeah, or... Yeah. You'll never know all the answers. No. But that's what.

life's about, isn't it? Do you not have a sort of insane urge to know all the answers? Am I just a psycho? Not really. You're just going with a flow. You got your beads on. I did have, but they got pulled off. Probably for the better.

But that's just it. That's what life's all about. I think it's about interacting with that and being with the people you love and then experiencing things so that it's I once heard somebody say that it was on,

it might have been on Duncan Trussle's podcast and he was saying that what, what we are is the tiniest like tendril of a creature that is just reaching out and experiencing itself through us, right? That everything that is alive

is basically like a sensory organ for this greater thing. and you can call that the universe or you can call it God or whatever you want and that's that's what we are we're experiencing we're like fragments of something

experiencing life and at some point we'll probably go back into the greater mass of it and then this sounds really high but do you know what I'm saying I all I'm thinking about is going and getting the pen fetch the pen

Fetch the pen. Daniel's on one. I don't know, man. But the thing is that going back to the podcast, the reason I like doing it is because it's with people that I think might think the same way. And when you then start to talk to them about why they make music or why they make art and how they make it. And is it an external thing that you're reacting to? because we all know that when you're writing or making something, time for a start totally compresses and becomes non-linear.

Like, so you could be working on something, and then all of a sudden, you're like, three hours later? Yeah, exactly that, right? There's that. Then there's the other thing about, I'll find when I've been writing stuff, especially when it's in those moments where time does go like that,

that I'll just go huh that's good I don't know where that came from I would never have come up with that unless I've been in that moment and then I forget how to play them really quick as well because it's almost like I hadn't and so many people that I speak to

feel the same way that's what I like getting to that point in a podcast which is you know this isn't laugh a minute to talk about this stuff, but I find it super interesting. It's definitely super interesting, but the way I differ is I do fully, I know there's some other, you know, we don't know the answers of the universe, but I need to know. And the thing is, and like, even what you're talking about there,

the time perception thing when you're creating, that happens to me a lot, But the thing is, some days it's there and some days it's not. And instead of just being all with my fucking beads on going, well, you know, that's the way the bead crumbles. I get insane and I want to be back in that alpha brain state that happened yesterday. And then I'll look into what I ate that day. I'll go all scientific sports scientists. I go to the gym bastard. Oh, hang on.

I had 650% of vitamin B12 from a methylated source yesterday. I had way too much peanut butter. There you go. And today, I haven't had that much vitamin V12, so I'm going to do that and we'll, you know, hopefully that will get me in that mind state. It never does. So this book I'm reading at the moment,

the American Cosmic one, there's a guy that the woman's talking about called Tyler. She called him, weirdly enough, there's a lot of synchronities happen in the book, and she kind of gave him that name as a pseudonym, right? because he works for a biomedical engineering company. Well, he runs several of them. And he creates these patents and stuff.

And he says that the ideas for them come from an exterior source, right? Oh, that's fucking so sick. Yeah. And she wanted to give him a pseudonym. So she just was like, I'm just going to call you Tyler in the book. And he was like, ha, that's weird. because my favorite film is Fight Club and I've watched it like 900 times

and I've got like the soap and the dressing gown and I'm obsessed with that film. Why have you decided on that name? And she was like, I don't know, just did. But he starts saying about this place where he goes to work which he can't talk about too much because it's involved with like secret government projects and whatnot. And you can, you know, you take all this with a pinch of salt if you want.

But anyway. Well, I'm buying the book The minute I get off the fucking phone It's brilliant But there's a room And they bring people to the room And he doesn't know what's in it But people sit in an adjoining room

And are just sort of brought there to think And come up with ideas And that's where all like These ridiculous ideas come from now For tech companies and things That's where the DVD was made Yeah, and the iPhone And blah blah blah

But on a disc Who told you that Fucking Martians See you later Yeah That's fucking sick Yeah What do you think about

All these like What are you laughing at I thought you were going to say What do you think about Brexit Fuck no I'm going to talk about that shit I honestly And the thing is

The more I get into And learn about these other things Yeah All of that Yeah Exactly the less it becomes important, but also it becomes more frustrating

because you realize that if we are all fragments of the same thing, you know, like the whole, you know, when, you know, like people in yoga are always like, namaste. Do you know what namaste actually means? Oh, I did know, but I forgot. I'm namaste out of my head. Yeah, exactly. It means like the fragment of divinity within me

recognizes the fragment of divinity within you, right? So it's an Indian greeting. And you think about it and it's like basically going, we all know that we have this spark and you can look at it as this kind of weird metaphysical thing or you could say it's part of the human DNA that hasn't been fully understood yet, whatever. But yeah, we're all part of something else

and we're all connected via that. And that's what becomes super annoying because as soon as you start to get into this stuff, like as, you know, I'm sure you're very similar to me in a sense that at times you could be super misanthropic and just I hate people, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I listen to black metal

100%. I'm a nihilist. Job done. I'm like, I'm bipolar with it. Yeah, exactly. That's it. We're kind of at war with ourselves for it, I think. Because I'm like that as well. Like, especially when I'm driving.

I don't give a fuck about the fucking government, blah, blah, blah. And in the next minute, I'm like, yeah, but if it was better, it would be better for so many more people. I'm going to put some energy into this now. And then I'm like, ah, fuck it, they're all the same. And then they're like, oh, actually. Ah, and I just want to know, like, you know what?

When you die, you turn back into a swirling mass of colour, just flowing through the universe with no thoughts and no actions. But at the same time, every thought and every action, that'd be like, fine, good. Good. Yeah. But I need to know. well you will never know until that point unless you i read partaking several things that are probably not best spoken about on on a podcast

unless you're joe rogan because then he talks about it all the time yeah but i talk about all the time as well but i also talk about the fact i can't do those things anymore because i didn't respect those things enough when i did them then so and then i had a bad time and now i can't go back there without having a bad time and now i can't go back there without having a bad time. Well, that's set and setting, isn't it? If you go into it thinking, oh, I've tried it, tried it all, mate. When I was 16 years old and I was doing the bastard and then, and then we do this.

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't respect it. Didn't respect. Yeah, but you get it now. I do, but it was so bad. I never want to go back there. I basically had a very bad trip and I never, ever want it to happen again. And what happened?

I tried it again. I tried it again. It was horrible. like a lava level on Mario but everywhere. You know, like, you know, like the castles in Mario. Yeah. But like the way they're all grey in 8 bit.

Well, everything was grey in 8 bit. You were in Bowser's castle dimension. Honestly, in Bowser's castle dimension. But then people would try and talk to me and what would happen every time anyone talk to me would be the ceiling would suddenly, go up in the air like 500 foot. Really, just as soon as anyone talked to me,

the ceiling in my 8-bit castle of pain, would just go flying up into the air, and I would just freak out at that. And then I couldn't fucking go anywhere because the carpet was lava, obviously. And I know it wasn't lava, and at the time it was just the fear of the lava was there, which manifested as looking like actual lava.

but it was it went on for so long was it geometric lava someone no because it was um it was mushrooms so it wasn't very geometric it was more swampy you know that kind of yeah yeah it's weird how there's a different the different compounds give you a different experience there's very much different realms yeah and uh but for the longer time afterwards, like a high ceiling would give me a panic attack. You're laughing. I was fucked in the head for so long. Crippling.

Yeah, I can imagine how that would be bad. And then I tried, like, I waited a long time to try again. And like a conservative dose and everything. And it just immediately went back there. It was like PTSD. Well, maybe leave that. I watched a good film the other day. I got sent a link to this film called Magic Medicine

by this guy that works at King's College that's been doing all the clinical trials into psilocybin to treat depression. Yeah, the microdosing shit. Well, yeah, but I mean, they start off microdosing and then it's like pretty heroic dosing. Is it? Yeah, and having people sit with them

that just kind of help work them through it. It's interesting. That's what I needed. I needed not my mate trying to play Toots and the May Tows to chill me out, and it just sounded like weird, weird fucking organ circus music. Like, that's what happened, right? That's 100% true. 100% true.

You're just living in an 8-bit Mr. Bungle, Bowser's Castle night there. Do you know what made it go wrong, though? This is the thing. I didn't respect the fucking, because I was a kid, and I was like, well, this comes from the ground, so it can't be that fucking mental. And I just did loads of mushrooms And my parents are going to listen to this now

And then And to be honest, that was fine And I was just having a fucking A time, but it was at a party Which is not a time to do fucking mushrooms No, because, yeah I know, but I was just a fucking kid, wasn't I? And then what happened?

Oh, I forgot how it started. I forgot how it started going wrong. Even talking about this, my heart rate's going And this is fucking so long ago. Right, so what happened? Go on. I'm tripping my balls off, essentially. And then I hit the bong with my friend, Simon.

I'm not going to say. I knew he said a second name, man. I don't know what he does. I might be a fucking scientist. I don't want to get him fired. He might be a copper. Anyway, I hit the bong with my friend, and then I pulled away from the bong,

and I'll definitely bong too much. And I pulled away from the bong, and I touched my mouth, and I was up, my mouth's not there. My mouth's not there, right? And then I looked in the mirror and it was that bit in the fucking matrix. You know, when his mouth goes seal shut in the matrix. And then he starts trying to open it and it goes like a weird like it's sealed,

but it's trying to open. We're having a real bad time. That's how it started. And then came the 8-bit bowels a lava hell. And now I've ruined it because now as a 32-year-old man, I would like to maybe peer into the distances of the universe, but I can't. Well, maybe just don't do it with that. means by that means.

Also, it's illegal. All of this would be done in a... Obviously. In a country where it's not illegal. Like, fucking Denver might be soon. Really? No. Denver's voting to legalize mushrooms.

Huh. Today, in fact. The very day, what's the synchronacy of that? It's literally today. There you go. So, yeah, there's my... Eight-bit magic mushroom trip. And it annoys me even talking about this now

because all I can think about it. is like, that's why I don't know the answers and that's probably why I need to know them because I need to know what the fuck I was witnessing. Yeah, maybe you need to smash through it. And I can't.

Or not, or not. I was honestly a wreck after it for, I would say, parts of my brain were affected for years. And then I think about this, I read an article, it's obviously not the same.

I read an article, but with someone, with, um, uh, someone just talking about how like a hardship in their life led them to succeed in what they've done or whatever.

Yeah. And theirs was way worse than fucking jump. Some kid just doing too many magic mushrooms. But the shell of a man that it made me for a while, shell of a boy, made me pursue the drums like nothing else. I wouldn't go out and party because I would have fucking... Well, there you go.

Maybe that was meant to happen then. It definitely was meant to happen. But also, can I just have it? back now. Can we take it back? Yeah but you probably can. That's just it. You probably can now. But like I said, you'd probably want to do it in a country where it's legal for a start. Because obviously this conversation could get us in a lot of trouble otherwise. I thought about doing an ayahuasca retreat. And then I thought, well, if I can't handle fucking six hours, I'm not going to handle 24.

Here's an interesting one. So a friend of mine, who you may know, was in a place where it was legal to do those things. Someone who isn't me. It wasn't actually me. Someone what I met. Yeah. Someone who I met was telling me that they did ayahuasca. They'd done it several times before.

And they were, when they were doing it, like, you purge afterwards. So like, yeah, the puke and shit sometimes as well. And everybody was like, that was. there in this group was purging but one guy couldn't and he started proper like he he started instantly having a really bad reaction to it like not just tripping but just physically like he was under attack so the guy had a thing that looked like um you know like a hunting horn style thing right ran over to the guy and slapped it on top of his head and started like, like sucking through it

and then puking into the bucket next to him for him. How mental sat? Wow. Did it work? Yeah. That's fucking amazing. The sitter was doing it. Yeah, well, yeah, the shaman was doing it. The shaman, I guess if it's ayahuasks, it's a shaman, it's not a shaman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the person that did tell me that was tripping. When he told you that or at the time. Yeah, when he was witnessing it, he was tripping. But he did say that it like for real, for real happens, which is kind of weird, I think. As soon as you start, have you read all stuff like Rick Strassman's books, like the spirit molecule and. Yeah, yeah. There's another one called The Soul of Prophecy, I think, which is about how he's trying to relate.

things that happened in the Bible, like to do with prophecy and react, like interaction with God and how that might have been, how that can be tied in with the DMT experience. It's quite cool. That's another weird one, in it, the spirit molecule. Yeah.

Yeah, man. Well, yeah, I find it interesting when people then start referring to it as a technology and, you know, it kind of goes back to what we were saying earlier about how, we only know what we currently know, you know. Yeah.

But maybe there are other cultures that have, you know, that get their ideas rubbish because it's seen as being, I don't know, not modern, you know. I must think of it. It's weird. Yeah, that's the ayahuasca that we drank before this. I'm about to purge. It's weird that all of those technologies,

all of those the countries like Sumeria and stuff that had the mad technologies were also the countries that did all the mad fucking like the ayahuasca the two plants don't grow anywhere near each other

who the fuck found that out yeah the fact that one of them has enough DMT in it that it will that if you take it it will send you off but you need the other one

you need the other one yeah which will fight the bodies what's in the stomach that will prevent it from actually working so that basically switches off that bit and allows the other bit to do its job crazy.

No one is coming up with that. Someone's told them that. There's no way. Or what if I pick this plant that grows a thousand fucking miles away up a fucking mountain and I stick it with this plant and then we do it

a really specific cooking method by the way this is 4,000 years ago and then we all have a lovely time and then we make cave paintings about it someone fucking told them that well yeah they're saying the plants did the plant spirits which is like

sounds like we're so right now and actually just quite high on cold brew that's it nice good though isn't it yeah I find it interesting this is probably pretty long

and you're fucking fucking hungry. We've spoken for an hour and a half and we haven't even talked about drumming yet. Well, what do you mean yet? I can't be asked. It was quite good that you messaged me because I wanted to do Jesse

and then put Jesse up as the next one because I'm trying to go drummer, non-drumer, drummer, drummer, non-drama. But I didn't do Jesse. I'm due for one. I was supposed to put one up yesterday. Well, have you not spoken to Dan Ford yet?

I don't really know him. Dan Ford. This is the thing. like the most incredible drummer I've ever played with. Yeah, I know he's an incredible drummer. He's the drummer from 6th. He's incredible. He was actually, you know, I was about 16 when 6th came out.

Yeah. And they were like my favourite band for the longest time. Do you know, like, did I ever tell you, like, I would send him demos for Crocodile, and he'd be like, yeah, just send me all, like, the guitar and bass parts, and then send it over, and then he'd send it back with drums that he'd put on it, and I couldn't play it anymore. And you'd be like, yeah, I've not changed what you do, you just do what you were doing.

I was like, yeah, but I can't actually get my head around. Yeah, you can't feel it right now because he's changed everything. Yeah, so crazy. But this is the thing, I'm really picky with my podcast guests. Clearly not. No, this has been, this. I wouldn't have been speaking to you for an hour and a half if you were. Oh, this has been great.

Yeah, yeah. But the thing, I'm really specific with the drummer ones, actually, because I need to at least have a rapport with the person. Yeah. Because I don't like... There's only so much drum shit I can talk about. I actually prefer the ones that aren't about drums, but it just so happens that my fan base are drummers,

so I've got to have drummers. But I like a drummer who I know that we share an interest in something else. So we can go down that rabbit hole. I don't know down forward. I don't know his hobbies. and people suggest people all the time and this is the other thing the other drum podcast

not to talk shit on them but you can tell me what it is afterwards so I can look it out no I'm just going to say it right now no they're just like they get all the drummers that people request

me to have and I'm just like no I'm not having that guy on my podcast no offence to him but it's not it's like yeah you do your thing

it's like if you're creating it and it's the same with your podcast. If you're creating like a TV show or something or like a TV channel or whatever, everything needs to

vibe. Yeah. It'd be the same vibe. I'm not just getting people for the sake of getting people. Yeah. I know that we resonate with each other.

Even if we're talking about fucking snare drums or moon gel or whatever, it's like they need to be on the same just in the vibe. Yeah. It needs to be in the vibe.

So I'm going to work on Danny Carey and then there. Yeah, I'm not sure how much press they're going to be doing, you know. There's no way that I'll get that. I've got an in. I've got an in with Danny Carey, though. Not if you have that mindset, you've got to manifest it.

You've got to make it happen. I've got a physical in with Danny Carey. There you go. I bet you can. I bet you can. You know that I did a, I had a thing on the rock show years ago where Brann and Danny Carey did a thing together and I couldn't get a train to London. I didn't do it.

They just came into the studio and did it with my producer at the time. And I look back on that now and think, what an idiot. See, I'd love both of them. Of course. Me and Brian have got the same birthday.

You know, we've got a mutual friend, V, man. You'd get on. We like the same. We both like King Diamond. Like, we both play fucking Tamil and mine.

Yeah, he'd, um, he'd be brilliant. He'd be perfect because he's an amazing, amazing drummer. He's so funny as well. But he'd much rather talk.

about velvet paintings of clowns and things. You know what I mean? He loves a clown. Mate, crack the sky. The concept, the fucking concept of crack the sky. Yeah. It's just phenomenal. Yeah.

That band is pretty untouchable, I think. Mate, Emperor of Sand, fucking, I can't believe how good it is. All just incredible, super heavy topics written into like a narrative that just feels like something bigger than it is and so that more people can appreciate it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, except for the Hunter. I like every song on The Hunter.

Every song is good, but it doesn't have a concept which is weird to me. It does. Does it? Yeah. The whole album as a concept? Yeah.

I think so. I think so. I think it doesn't. I thought it was I thought it was about Brent's brother Is it not? I thought there was songs about that I didn't know the whole thing was about that

Maybe I'm wrong Okay I don't know No you're probably right Because I remember watching the The five minute long DVD that came with it To be honest I'll probably shoot myself in the foot here If I'm having them on

I think what happened was They finished up their deal With Crack the Sky And then they got offered a much bigger deal And they said, yeah, give us an album then. They went, fuck me, go on then. They did an album, which is incredible, but they probably didn't have enough time

to stew on a concept for it. Yeah. Do you think that they need to have that, though, to be a good record? To be, and without sounding like a crazy person, to be as ethereal as all their other albums are. Yeah, I think so. Because I can listen to...

of it, yeah. I can listen to, I mean, anything from Leviathan onwards, there's no way that I'm not listening to the whole album. And there's no way

that there's, I'm not having some weird, closed-eye visuals when I'm listening to it because there's so many layers and incredible production that has this weird space, like crack the sky.

The amount of times I've fallen asleep to crack the sky. And I'm like, in a weird, half-awake, half-sleep, dream state, visualising the sound, but not actually making shapes out of it.

Now I sound really high. Like synesthesia? Yeah. And every one of their album does that to me except The Hunter. And then I found out it doesn't have a concept. And I'm like, maybe that's it. Well, I don't know. I've not really looked into it like that.

Maybe I should. I could be wrong. Did you write a Mcfly album? Don't make that. How did you get to that? From there. No, I didn't write an album. I wrote a couple of songs for him.

Because, because... That's such a jump. Because, A, I thought it'd be funny, and it was. B, before we did this, I was like, fuck, what am I going to talk to Dan about? And I was like, I'm better just remember some shit that he's done. And I went on your Wikipedia. And I was like, what? I was like, what?

What the fuck is this? Yeah, a couple of things. songs from fucking hell no wonder you you can have a podcast at 420 in the afternoon on a Tuesday yeah in my little uh roll doll's your rolled doll shit right in your fucking bfg did you get a gold disc uh i don't think i did actually you're supposed to according to wikipedia my friend yeah well yeah you should you think right i've got a few but not not one of them they're all cut there you got you got you got a gold disc sort of

obviously. No, I don't think we've got a gold fray. I think we've only got silver. Not even for Scan-N-N-N-N-A-N-A. Scan-N-N-N-E. We should have done, but by that point, I think we'd been dropped by the time it went gold, so they were like, yeah, we won't bother we're doing that.

They smelted it down. Yeah. They smelted it down to fund MP3s. You've got gold discs? I got, yeah, I would get sent them from, like, to do, because of work. Like, I've got a, What have I got? Hang on.

Hold up. Yeah, but are these like... I got my chemical romance. Yeah, but is these like, oh, Dan Carter, thanks for playing us on the radio, let us suck you off so you play us on the radio more,

or is this Dan Carter you did something on this album? No offense. Yeah, fair enough. I did a remix for my cam. You've done so much big shit. You've done so much actual big shit. I'm surprised.

You're supposed to have a fucking McFly one. It says here. I know. To be honest with you, it probably wouldn't get put up, if I'm honest. Hey. Oh, do you know what? Do you want to know? Not because of them.

Just because, like, all the other ones aren't. They're in a pile underneath a stack of paintings that I've done. I got a good story to end on. And this story is 100% factual when I've never told it on the podcast. This podcast episode is excellent. I auditioned for McFly, right? Oof. Yeah.

But I didn't know it was McFly. It was when I was at ACM. I was at music college. Yeah. I was like 16 and they were like, yeah, we got an audition. And I suggest that everyone in the drum class does it just for the, you know, experience of doing the audition or whatever. Yeah.

It was like busted management. Yeah. Looking for musicians to form a new band or whatever. I was just like little fucking big eye drum nerd slightly panic attacky from Bowser's Castle. Bowser's Castle. I was like, yeah, well, I'll do that just for the experience. And they were like, I was looking at the thing and it was like, must be six foot.

And I was like, yeah. Give or take. Must be six foot. I went anyway. And the first thing they said was, you're not six foot. And I was like, not really. And I did the audition. Obviously, I didn't hear from them.

And I was probably shit anyway. But then when McFly happened, and I put two and two together that that was what's happening, I looked at it. And clear as day, there's a line up that they stick to. with the photos, and old Harry or whoever he is, is his name, Harry. He's the biggest one.

And they do it like in a size order. And they've had that plan from the get-go. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Glad, you know, imagine that. That'd be a change in fucking career.

Yeah, you'd have had, well, would you have more money or not? I don't know. I can't work it out. Probably not. You'd just grab more bitterness. You reckon I got more money than Harry from McFly? There's no way.

The T-shirts are going bloody well, but Jesus Christ. Not McFly. Not at a fly level. However, he did, I think, were Lindsay Lohan for a while, didn't he? Yeah, I think so. I used to fancy her when I was a kid. That could have been you. That bit would have been good.

But, you know. They're good lads they are. I like them a lot. They always seem pretty funny. And Doug, bass player, is currently playing bass in my old band. Yeah, I know. I'm reading Wikipedia, mate. I've got it all here.

Oh, right in front of me. Right in front of me. Do you want to talk about anything else or is that it? I've got the best tour story ever, but it's literally about 45 minutes long. So we'll save that for another time. No, there's no way. What do you mean it's 45 minutes long? No story is 40 minutes long.

five minutes long except for a movie. It's pretty long. How long, realistically? I don't know, pretty long. And it is the best tour story you'll ever hear. And I don't mean that. And I would never normally say that, but everyone, every time I've ever told anyone it,

that's what they say. Well, there's no way you can't not say it now. Well, I'm not going to. Can we do top five? Are you doing that? Or do I not get to do that? I'm not got to do like a top five bands? Well, I think everyone would rather hear this.

most amazing tour story ever. HD high quality. No, that's not going to happen. Really? Because you've realised there's something you can't say in it. Maybe. That's what's really...

Yeah, that's what's really happened there. Anyway, it's your top five bands. Oh, smashing pumpkins number one. Actually, they're number two, so fuck off. Why? Do I go on about them that much? Yeah, but it's good. It's a great band.

Yeah, they're amazing. Do you have it the Siletus cover of fucking... Bodies? Zero. Oh, no, zero, won't it? Yeah. So sick. Anyway, what's number one?

Who's your number one? Tool, obviously. Obviously. Best band on the planet. Do you know what's going to happen? Do you know what's going to happen? What? Tall are going to release something in the next 24 hours because of the energy that we've just done.

No, they're not. Oh, he knows more. That might have been a trick on my behalf to see how much you know. I know what they're going to do. it's all just suddenly going to be there all their back catalog because you can go on Spotify now and there is a tool page

but it's just going to all suddenly be there I can't believe I can't believe it hasn't been on streaming it's annoying but I recently went and burnt all of my CDs Do you know what I was talking to my son and he goes But bear in mind that he doesn't like tool

Because every time I played them in the car When he was like a kid kid he always got a headache and it wasn't like I was playing it at ear splitting volume or well I mean not more than normal do you know what I mean but them specifically he would just go oh this band's giving me a headache I'd be like that's right listen to it

anyway that's interesting uh yeah he said to me the other day he's like all right so say I'd never heard of tool before right but I want to get into them now how do I how do I hear it yeah you can't well you can't can't can you

it's not on streaming currently I mean it's on YouTube and a lot of kids listen to YouTube yeah but it's all crap quality it is but they'll do that and then they'll ruin it for themselves because they'll think it's great and you can't buy CDs anywhere well you can't really only a few of them are out on vinyl and they're like 80 quid for for like the

double vinyl. It's just crazy. They just, and it does my head in a bit because Maynard knows the score, like all of the Pusufa stuff, all of the Aperfah stuff is on on every platform. Yeah, but I get it. It's not like he's a Luddite. I get it, though. You think you do. They're just being

fucking weird. Yeah. It's just weird. It's crazy though. And I kind of like it because it's sort of a secret club now. But I went through all my CDs, including the saliva I've got the saliva

DVD which is very rare It's worth a lot of fucking money Is it? I've got that Have you got like the Parable Parabola DVDs Yeah I've been a mistake

I don't know I've got like a Like a digipack thing I've got a couple of those I don't have that I don't have that But I've got the first CD pressing

of Lateralis With Parabola Spelt wrong Really? Which is a, yeah, it's a rary. Do you know about the Holy Gift? Do you know about that?

Yeah, I don't believe it's true because there's two of them really don't fit together. But the first few do. Yeah. The Holy Gift for anyone that's listening is there's like a secret Fibonacci sequence for the album Lateralis where if you play the albums in the songs at the same time

or in the Fibinacci sequence or something. Yeah, so if you play it, So if you play track one, then track two, then track three, then track five. But two of them are overlaid, aren't they? No, it's just that they meet in the middle because it goes, because parable and parabola are in the middle, aren't they? If you do the Fibonacci sequence, I think they work out that they're next to each other and then it goes up.

No, but there's something where, you know, the weird noise of Maynard squeezing this cat, that's like track three. before, that's what it is, before the patient. It's him squeezing his cat. Yeah, that's him squeezing his cat, and then they pitch-shifted it down. But that's at the same time as whatever song is in the sequence,

and that sounds really, really good together. It's like two interludes at the same time, but then that happens again, and it doesn't sound as good. So I don't know, I think there's something to it. Five. Look at it online. Look at it online. I'm going to look into,

that. Anyway, that's your favourite bands. You've got... Man, no, no. Do you know what we normally do? What? Here on the downbeat is if we've got a mutual

love of a band, we just do our top five songs by that band. That's what I'd like to do with you. What, for Toll? Yeah. All right. Go on them. What are yours?

I'll tell you if you're right. You're going in... Am I going first? Let's do... I can't do I'd have to actually sit and think about it probably number one it's going to be

lateralis has to be 100% it's maybe the best song ever written that middle section da da da da dun da da dun da dun da da dunn

that whole section is like there's four different times images going on at the same time and they all sink up just everything about that song is mental Like the way he's done, you know, like the Fibon Archie sequence with the vocals is just like, mind-blowing. Wait, the, the, uh, a high hat kick drum thing that comes in on that do, do-da-da-dun,

the section, I fully, I took that, I put it in 4-4, and that's the first track on the last stray album, on Only Death is Real. The drum beat is that. Instead of a cross stick, I put normal snare. And then I put it in 4-4 and I changed where the snare falls. But I took his concept of going, and I put it on double kick instead. That's how that was created.

Thanks, Danny. Why are you telling people this? Because I don't give a fuck. Drummers, any art, art is like half of it is from your own brain, which was, you know, I had the thought process to change it. Yeah. And then the other shit is like being influenced. I was influenced by what he did.

and then I put my spin on it. That's what drumming is. All right. Otherwise, we'd all be playing fucking Ringo beats. Which is fine. Which is fine, yeah, sure, but I want to fuck shit up. Anyway, what's your second song? I don't know, because I'm going to sit,

I'm going to have to sit and do this properly, otherwise I'll overthink it for every single thing. I don't know, maybe... Maybe Vicaria. Really? Or jambi. And both X. One sec.

Hold up. Where are you going? That's better than vicarious for sure. Yeah, it is. You're right. So jam by. Yeah. I can't wait to listen to all while I eat my fucking dinner.

I would like sober has got to be in there just because for when I first heard it. that drum fill at the beginning is bonkers. Just like, mind blindly. So groovy. Yeah, everything about that. And the visuals for that when I first saw that as well. And it just blew my mind. It annoys me that there's no HD versions of their videos.

I know. That's what happened, in it? Do you know what I mean? There's all this stuff waiting to happen. I'll pay so much money. Give me a fucking box set with all. of the vinyl with a blue ray with the new album. You charge £1,000 and I will buy it.

I'll make you one especially. Yeah, you can make it. You can make a bit profit, actually. Go on, then there's three. Should I do three and then we'll come back to your two? Later Alice, definitely. Yeah. Four degrees, like I said.

Yeah, I don't see that one, but yeah, I get it. I think it's more The Hold up one second One second Let me have a listen Yeah all right Fair enough

All right I know it's a banger The end section It's less the lyrical content And more the way The music flows And it was maybe one of the first Tall songs that I heard

I went Hang on this drum It's really really fucking good There's a fill near the end And it's fucking fantastic Um I won't do that I won't say later

Alice actually because you've already said that. This is a riveting listen right now. It is though. Look, you can't be at 100 miles an hour the whole time. If BBC broadcasts taught me anything, it's that. Eulogy. Yeah. Again.

Just such a massive build-up. Yeah. Hang on. Oh, insane. The way the vocals come in on that song, that when it, that, uh-uh, et-uh, uh-uh, and then you suddenly realize that that's his vocal started already. Amazing.

So great, so good. Um, I mean, actually, all of lateralis is just ridiculous. Schism and parabola. I feel like schism's up there. Yeah, for sure. 46 and 2. Oh, 46 and 2. I haven't listened to that in fucking in a minute.

Yeah. What else? Drum. Drum solo halfway through. Hmm. It's all amazing. I like Rosetta Stone as well, just because I like the weird story of it.

About, you know, the whole thing about the guy relating the weird sort of abduction scenario. Only because I like that stuff. Oh, oh, fucking third eye. Third Eye might be my number two after Later Alice. Yeah. Specifically the saliva version of it, the live version of Third Eye that starts with that. Think for yourself.

Question of authority. That bit is wonderful. I like the fact that that's a band that actually will kind of pull songs apart and go off in different directions when they play them live. That's kind of cool. Yeah, they have. like a full on. I saw something.

Oh, I nearly said something. Ha ha, nothing. Oh. I'm Daniel Piccard. I'm friends with everyone and I know everything.

Shut up. So, you know that the tall album isn't coming out in 24 hours, so. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't take a genius to know that, though, didn't it? The powers of deduction,

yeah, it's not coming out for 24 fucking years. Let's wrap this up. I'm hungry. You're hungry. Yeah, so am I. My dinner's ready, I think. What are you having?

I don't know Wait, do you use Gusto? What? No, you've talked about this because you try and get me use your fucking code That's who you need to do your pot That's who you need to like

sponsor your podcast All these All these American Six meals every day Oh yeah, you're a weirdo I forgot about that What a, that's just weird Yeah, but I'm an elite specimen

Of a man Oh, it's just so weird Yeah, but you also still psychologically stuck in Bowser's Castle. No, that is 100% it. I need rules. I need rules and rations to stop my brain

from leaving this earth, this mortal coil and going back to Bowser's castle. So I need to weigh out exactly 20 grams of peanut butter at 11pm every night. That's so crazy. I'm absolutely insane and people are just starting to realise. At least you're aware though.

So that's half of it, in it? it is but then i'm not aware of the battle the thing it Katie my wife she'll be like you know you add a new thing to your routine before bedtime every night right and i'm like what and she just pointed she like said out loud the list of things that i have to do

in order before i go to sleep yeah and i was like fuck me i'm weird don't i she's like you are fucking the most mental person i've ever met and it's like i've got a list there's a list apparently that I do in order every single night and it has to be in order. That's amazing. I blame Bowser.

Well, specifically actually, I blame Toadstall. But, yeah, Bowser was there. Oh, man. My AirPods are running out of battery and this is a high-quality situation. We've spoken for just under two hours. Do you realize that? Yeah, it's going to be a great pod.

It's going to take your fucking terrible. terrible dial-up internet, just over two years to send that to me. Ah, it is as well, isn't it? I forgot about that. Yeah, let's call this now. All right. I've got to make my... I've got to make 180 grams of chicken breast with 100 grams of Jasmine Rice and 50 grams of green beans. I can't believe you're not vegan in all seriousness.

Uh, yeah. Let's not get into it. I'm a piece of shit. I'm a piece of shit. It'll happen one day. Yeah. It just needs to be very fucking easy because I'm so lazy. It's the touring.

It's the touring. And I know every time I speak to our architects, I'm like, it's fucking easy. Yeah, it's easy with your catering fucking budget, boys. We can't all live that good life, mate. You know what I mean? Yeah, swanning around with your several buses. Because I was there when you were all living fucking McDonald's chips

because that's all you could eat on the side of the fucking Autobahn in Nuremberg. They've changed. What can you say? You know? They've changed for the better. But. I, you know, give me, I went to a couple of shows on that last run they did.

It was the best fucking catering I've ever experienced in my life. It's kind of a sore point actually because every time they've done like these big, like, like the big shows where it's a big deal. I've always gone and seen Metallica. I asked Sam about it. He gets really knocked about it. Why did they play on the same night as Metallica? Like, so when they did Brixton, you obviously.

see that was like a real big deal and it was like a huge step. And I really wanted to go to the gig and support them. But then I got invited to Metallica at House of Vans. I was like, yeah. Oh, I text you on that day, I remember. Yeah. Come in, you were like, no, I'm going to see Metallica. Yeah.

And then there was another one. Wasn't, no, it wasn't Ali Pally because I think I went to that, didn't I? I don't know. There was another one as well. But he got, he started getting really arsey about it. I don't need to be there. You know what I mean? Um, well, it's good fun and their catering's really good.

And they're a really good band. They're really nice, aren't they? So maybe you should get your, my connection to Dan has just gone. Anyway, as I was saying, maybe you should get your tongue out of, maybe you should get your tongue out of Lars Orick's ass. And then, uh, go see your mate.

That was so good. The phone just went, boop, boop, boop and cut off. That was like the perfect way to finish the podcast. Well, there we go. That's the fucking spirit's telling us that's over. Yeah, shut up now. All right, that's enough. This has been nice.

It's been fun. Send me this file immediately. All right. And I will put this up tonight if I get the file tonight. And this one as well. What do you mean on this one? Did you stop recording? No, I didn't stop recording.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm making the difference, will it? Yeah, but the calls are different. One of us works at BBC. The other one. Oh, yeah, yours is still running as well. Oh yeah, I get it.

I get it. Technology. For a 46-year-old man, you're actually quite good at technology, mate. Can't believe you're 46. This is the thing. Bro. Fuck me, fuck the animals. I need to get on it for the looking sick at 46.

Oh, man, it's a weird one, in it? Do you know what, like? Also, the ingestion of a soul. I'm kind of losing my love for that. Yeah. That can't, that's got a way heavy, isn't it? It's bad. Bad juju.

Yeah. You know, whatever. Everyone's going to hate me now because they're going to be like, he's really old, isn't he? Let's stop having any like appreciation for anything he does. That doesn't happen anymore. You're not a baby boomer. Hang on, you are.

Yeah, am I? I don't even know what that means. You're not a baby grimmer. You're like, you're, yeah, is it Gen X? And so am I, but I'm the tail end of it. And then the next one in the name is. I don't know. No.

You're on the good team. Don't worry. You're still on my team. Team good guy. Yeah. Team Human. There's another book you need to read. Douglas Rushkoff's Team Human.

The name puts me off. No, man. You should read it. It's amazing. I love yoga and everything, but people who talk about it all the fucking time. It's not about that. It's not about that. People who say, plan it off.

Just. It leaves me. You like Grant Morrison. I've just opened up. the book and here's his quote for the book. An astonishing paradigm shifting must read for all inhabitants of the 21st century, precisely and cogently written Rushkoff's best work so far, Grant Morrison. Not my words, the words of Top Gear magazine.

You should read it though. It's wicked. Did you just open the page and it was Grant Morrison? No, it's on the front. Ah, fuck. Still weird. I'll take it. Yeah.

What's it called? Send me the list of all the things we talked about because there's no way I'm listening to this podcast. Well, if you can't, how can you expect anyone else to? Because everyone else is much better human beings than me. Yeah, the book is called Team Human by Douglas Rushkoff. We must have one American Zico Cosmo Nort. Yeah, American Cosmic.

That's really good. American Cosmic. All right, that's the two. I'm getting on Amazon. I'm going to start doing a book club on Swim, I think. Just because that way I figure I'll be able to do more. Like, because a lot of the time I'll talk about stuff and people would go, that was mental.

What was that? What were you on about? What are you going to do? You're going to do the guests that have also read the book? No, probably just with a few mates. Like some of my magical, magical mates. Oh, you never did one. You need to be way more magical.

No. What, give me a fucking magic book. Give me the David Blaine handbook then. then I'll fucking pop it on. All right. Nice. All right. I'll do this Cosmosch shit.

American Cosmosse human, man. And then we'll do a book club. Oh, I'm not out on swim because I'm... Because you're not a singer. I'm really hungry. This is getting, this is getting quite ratty now. Yeah. It's all right.

Bye. Bye. No, I've pressed stop now. Like.