The Downbeat - Deaf Havana

Episode Date: December 31, 2022

I catch up with Matty and James Veck-Gilodi aka Deaf Havana to discuss where they've been and their new album 'The Present Is A Foreign Land', as well as the time I filled in for them with 48 hours notice and it ended up being like a scene from Scarface.

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Mugs. Hello. Hi. James E. Matt E. Yeah. I reckon one of those whys is superfluous. But I don't know what word means. Unnecessary.

Yeah, which one? Unnecessary. James E. Well, he had it first, surely. Yeah, but his name's in there. Matthew E. Yeah, do you know what I mean? It's the equivalent.

From Defavan, where the fuck's your band been? First off, where the fuck you been? In the bin? The band has literally been in the bit? No, it's good now. It's good now. Where have we been? Where have we been?

Nowhere, then, somewhere, and now it feels like everywhere. Yeah. Is that the name in the new round? Yeah, it's a pensive affair. What is the name of the new album? Present is a foreign land. Right, okay, that's what I thought it was, because I was going to get it wrong

because there's an Alan Partridge quote that's very similar. Well, look, it's just in my blood, in it? What is it? There's a quote in mid-morning matters where they've got a historian on to talk about the royal family, and he says,

the past is a foreign land. They do things different there. But that's saying, that's a quote from a book. Oh, Clever Cloggs. No wonder you brought him. What's the book? I couldn't tell you, I'm not that good. It's the first line in a insert, famous, normal title here.

I forgot how much you looked like Frank Zappos. It was mental, isn't it? No, you know, he looks more like Cliff Burton. Oh my God. So much like Cliff Burton. Look, we were in a radio station in Berlin. There was a photo of Cliff Burton for years ago. Get that close to your mouth, please.

Oh, fuck, say. Close enough? Yeah, beautiful. I've got to preface this whole thing before you go to your Berlin radio station story. It's not a story. story. He just looks

like Clipperton. I said, basically. We, we made friends with each other at Reading Festival in, it must be

2013, because you were on, uh, what the fuck? Was that the last album you did? No, no, no,

that was like two, that was two, three hours? Yeah, no. Three albums ago. Yeah, we had a couple of the session.

Um, so, you were playing Reading and you knew the architect, boys. I don't know if you were there. I would have been there. He definitely was there. The main interaction, no, I'm sorry.

The main interaction was with him. None taken. So he's Jamesy by default. You'll be Matthew. Thanks for saying by actual, no. That's fine, sorry. So you were friends with architects. I was drummed taking for architects, but I don't know if they were playing and you were playing. We were all just there.

And then I heard you quote the office, and then we were at the UK office. Instant friends. Immediate best. And then there was like, we dipped into like, what's your favourite quote? And we both had such obscure quotes that it was like, okay. Yeah, this is. There is not many people, Mattie has an insane knowledge of the office as well,

but he's managed to work it out of his personality. But there's not many people I know other than you that have the same knowledge as me. And it's, this could go very wrong. That was, I just needed to preface it that it really might be. just office quotes Richard What's your opinion on Bickage base now?

I think I think it's crap really What's your opinion? Crap now Yeah yeah Responsible for probably the way that I am Honestly I don't know what my personality Would be if I hadn't watched the office at a young age

I've got no I don't have a personality It's just It's in every movement I do It's pretty much Brent Same. It's bad. It's bad.

But yeah, now I'm in the latest. I'm joking. Not crap, that's obviously. The latest standard. He's not going to watch this. He blocked me on Twitter. Yeah, fair enough. Well, basically.

Didn't he follow you first? He followed me, and I said, I'm sorry for saying Derek was shit, and then he blocked me. Fair enough. Really? You know, and you think, I think someone,

or like you listen to a record or watched a movie, like a Tarantino film, all of which are about an hour too long, apart from Reservoir Dogs. No one's there to rain them in. And I do kind of feel like that's what Stephen Merchant probably brought to it. And that's why I think, not to make this all about UK comedy, 35% American listeners.

So, good for you. I could use the numbers. I actually love the US office. Yeah, so do I. But I reckon that's why Alan Partridge, Steve Coogan, has, like, continued to go up because he got the Gibbons brothers. Yeah. Co-writing with him who were younger and a bit more like... Handware fans.

Hey old man, I'm afraid you can't say that one. Right. And we're fans and then now it's good. It's great. I think this is, I think this time is where Maritridge should live. It's perfect. It is really good. I mean, back to Ricky Javis.

I owe him a lot because, like, I'd say 80% of the laughs I've had, just an example of the laughs we have, are because of... Oh, I'm going to put a... I'm going to put a funny. It's quote Italian. Okay. So, yeah, I'd say 80s. Just giving myself about 10 more hours of editing.

Yeah, yeah, June. Yeah. Good. I'm going to regret that easily. If you continued watching the tally doesn't happen. Not his fault. That's because I'm doing this myself. Yeah.

I'm cooking and cleaning. Carry on. You owe him. I owe him a lot because he, well, it made me laugh. But the latest stand-up's not very good, is it? The thing that annoys me... It's a bit offensive. No, it's not even like...

It just screams like just not being that... You're not... clever enough to come up with something that is not really offensive. Yeah. And also there's, he's reused jokes I've heard him say before, which is... And he's doubling down,

like doubling down on the comedy like, it's a man in the dressing. It's like, even though I disagree fully with that, even if you did agree with that, it's not hard to write a joke, it's not about that. If you're such a fucking professional comedian,

yeah. Yes, like a different one. But they know it gives, there's like a lot of them, it gives them, like, you get 1,500 new fans if you just come out on Twitter and say, I think that's just a man in a dress, and then you get immediately get money. That's what happened.

I don't reckon they really believe it. Having opinions for money is what it is. Pretty much. Frankly, I don't know why it's any concern. Yeah, why is it any of his concern? That is an office book as well. Yeah, it is. Is it?

What's the quote there? I don't know what I said. Is it office? It's one of the things. Nah, I'm not giving it. It's not the extras. It's not the extras. But the office, to go back to it.

He's extras. The office and extras. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. Even life's too short. Bits of it are funny. Bits of it. I mean, there is some fucking debatable shit on there.

Chegwin, though. The Chegwin. The Chegwin. The Chegwin, uh, Barry. And Les Denny's, and Les Danis. episode when they're talking about how to kill themselves. Yeah, yeah.

It's unbelievable. That is genius. Cheggis plays cock. It's good, isn't it? Who's ringing? That's probably my phone, isn't it? Oh, it's management. Do, man.

I don't know why I assume that. What are you doing in Glasgow? Where the fuck has your band been? Right. Give me, give me, what was the gap between albums? You're going to have to shut that up. Yeah. Wait.

Yeah, you're going to have to do it. Having the ringer-ons village, isn't it? I swear I put it on. You never do it. How long? Are you got a keypad tones on, is that? Yeah. No way.

No, wait. No, I cover. Honestly, this is, this does my nutting. It'll connect to his speaker and, like, you listen to a song and... No, wait, so you have gone on. Yeah. Go get your phone so you can find out if he's got. You can have to edit this out.

No, this is funny. It's absolutely mental. Don't nudge your camera and we're good. Wonderful. Yeah. Crystal clear. he's coming. If anyone's just listening

to the audio, this is a little bit of dead air. Why not go and buy whatever thing that I said at the beginning of the program and you can support the podcast or go to patreon.com

for the slash downbeat. And he's back. Hey! An idiot. Did you not bring it? I wanted to, I wanted to know about you keep our tones.

He has a mom. I want it to shame you. No, you got to shame me. No, he has a man. I haven't got a mom now, have I? Just turn him off quickly. Where in Fachbanin?

Well, uh, pretty much stop. doing stuff for it actually very nicely coincided with COVID so we didn't actually have to address it we just stopped yeah like we had some shows planned to like kind of

wrap up the accounts for 2020 but then COVID happened and we didn't have to think about it and life got in the way really and I mean it's deeper than that but yeah I mean that's sort of what we do here so yeah go deep so let's go in

yeah go in what's not what happened we don't have to go straight in right though we're 10 minutes in it doesn't have to go real dark we talk about the office a bit more if you're on it's all good have a little drink it doesn't have to be dark because it was just you're in quite a good spot now so it's not really I don't mind reminiscing about darkness you disappeared quite noticeably the last single I remember and obviously I don't keep my own music because I'm a music broadcaster now

I keep new ear on it exactly so I keep my ears instead of my eyes sinner massive massive bang shortly after disappear. It did feel like that. I can put my perspective on it. That whole record was a really odd process, which was the one previous to

the one with a that we've just released with quite a pretentious title. Because we kind of didn't it felt a lot like an exercise in just trying to write songs that would be more

pleasing to people on the And it didn't work. Yeah. So it was basically, although some of the songs in there, I think, are really good. And they've found, like, a different home live now. And they're way heaviest. You've always done that, though. You've always liked to add an old song, but I'm like bored about it now.

And then you change it into, what's the fucking... That's exactly it, yeah. The first track on... Fools Ruffers Lys? Yeah. Which you turned... We turned it into like a flogging molecule. Yeah, you turned it into, like, proper drop kick my feet.

Yeah. That's funny. It is basically what you just said, though. So you tried to sell out. Didn't work. No. No one bought it. Exactly.

Well, people bought it, but like it didn't do the thing that we thought it was going to do. And it just proves that when you, people can see through fucking, they can see through it, can they, they know that I sat down in a room

with a producer and went, let's write a pop album. Because they can see it. And like I said, some of the songs are good, but I don't believe that you didn't want to make a pop album. No, definitely not.

Like, because you like pop music. Yeah. And at the time, I thought it was a really good idea. But like, I don't know, it was just,

it was just a, weird period. It sort of, that was the beginning of the end, really, I think on it. Yeah,

because it, it just, for me, it kind of rammed home that the record you make is kind of the space you live in for a bit as a band or an artist or whatever.

And when that is kind of cynical, once you, like, strip everything back, it just is still, it just still does feel a bit hollow. And so all the touring afterwards was just hard and,

like, it was very easy to lose. I think. I mean, we did lose heart and it also amplified like my drinking and drug taking was at absolute peak whilst we were doing this album cycle and Mattie. It was high before that. It was very high before that but it just got a funny story about another time we met. Carry on. But it got to the point where it was like I was going through a lot of shit at the time and I shouldn't have taken it out on anyone but like it just it was just a bad period and it just like it got to the point where I was just literally waking up and getting fuck. I don't remember really. much of it because I was just fucked the whole time

he stank mate a bit like a bottle of vodka did he that's pretty classic I remember I remember you were going to get divorced at one point

because I was getting divorced I mean yeah we basically on the phone we basically did probably the way you get on yeah sounds similar

how's your life oh it's absolutely in the dog shit yeah you yeah yeah still dog shit but yeah so

that didn't happen but it sort of did for a bit but we didn't really well don't need to go into that do it

sorry That's all good. I can cut it out. We're mates. Cut that, cut it out. Don't cut it out. Leave it all in, boy. My culture.

And then, yeah, it was just, basically, Matty took a lot of time off drinking and decided to, like, look after yourself. Mattie took a lot of time off, drinking. No, he decided to, he basically went. I spent a lot of time with a therapist. So he was sorting his shit out. Spent my pocket money on that. Pre-COVID, post-COVID, like, just before.

before we had to zoom it. I absolutely hated all of it, but the fact I got, like, had such a visceral reaction made me think, yeah, I should probably. Did it work? Well, I'm considerably, I think, nicer to be around

and just, I don't feel... Confirm? Is he nicer to be around? I thought he was nice before. But, uh... But he's so he's not as good. I'd tell you no. That's good. I'm joking.

He's got his... Basically, he was getting his shit together and now has his shit together just as I was literally losing my mind. Yeah, so that didn't work. It didn't work. And we were on tour at the time. It was just like, it was just, it was chaos.

Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't be honest. I just phoned it in because I was like, well, a bit better than being on the dole in it currently. It was chaos, basically. And then that sort of all came to a head, like, we had a meeting in January just before COVID, 2020, I guess it would have been. Yep.

And we basically all just decided that we didn't want to do it anymore because I don't think our manager a manager came to the meeting but I don't think he knew that we were going to basically call it a day so it kind of was a surprise for him I think but yeah we basically decided we didn't want to do anything anymore because we just weren't enjoying it I was just

it was probably a lot of it was my fault because I was just I just did not care about anything I'm sure you've been in that headspace before I just couldn't be I was just like I just want to get as as fucking drunk and whatever as I can so I don't have to deal with what's going on my head which is not a healthy approach.

I didn't know. Of course you are. It's quite fun at the time. Sometimes. Sort of. There's fun bits of it, but then you look back and it's like, fuck it now. I don't know how I did it. I don't know how some of those shows went ahead because I was so drunk before I played.

But it got to the point where it wasn't even like, you could still, all the muscle memory was there. So I could still play shows. Anyway, yeah, that all happened. And then we basically didn't talk to each other for like a year. Yeah. Fell out. Yeah. Yeah.

I just didn't have time. Well, he fell out with me. I couldn't be asked. Because he was a wreck. Yeah, well, it's, it's the, yeah. I, I just, if that's how you're going to, I felt like no one had given him a boundary. And I was just like, if that's how you're going to act,

see you later, basically. What was there a moment where it? I just couldn't be asked. The whole complete disregard for anyone else, basically, for a while. And it's just like, yeah. Do I feel good, him saying that? No, it doesn't feel good, no.

Because I also don't think anyone was like, I don't think anyone knew how miserable I was, though. They were just, like, people just treat me like I was a, like a drunk mess, which I was, but there's a fucking reason why, do you know what? I don't know, like it, it wasn't just, wasn't just trying to make it was life shit. But anyway, that sort of imploded, which was good.

And then COVID happened, so we, I don't know, we didn't really, we didn't really post any, I don't think we did post anything, did we? No, we're just stopping. Just left it because, I mean, there's more going on, I'm glad you didn't know, because I see a lot of bands who split up pre-COVID. And then they had the two years off,

which we all fucking had. And then they went, you know what, should we do this again? And then they're back. And I'm like, no, you should have to have another two years. Yeah, yeah. Because we all quit. We all, yeah. Life stopped for two years.

That doesn't count. Well, I don't know why we decided that, but I think we had a foresight to think maybe just in case we want to do something again. I thought it was just because we were going to, we had debts that people wanted to cash in basically. Yeah, it turns like when you stop being at some point,

you have to pay for stuff. Yeah. So, do you have, what like, no, it wasn't label shit or... No, it was more like merch, because it's more like merch money, I think. I don't really know, to be honest, but... Because you don't know what you owe for old shit

and they come knocking and go, literally that, yeah. Remember this? Yeah, yeah. It's 30 grand of match. We gave you for a tour. Yeah. Fuck.

It is literally that. Yeah. And even like, because like the first, the first two albums were on a major label, so I think they get, I think we got like big advances which haven't. Yeah. So it's probably stuff like that as well. Anyway. Do you want to carry on, my boy?

Yeah. And so obviously when things started opening up again, that conversation carried on. It's like, let me have to get, work something out. And, um, realized, like, if you can go out on a song. or something put something out, then that would probably help. Like, give us a little bit of cash at the end of it. And there's, like, just a couple months at the start of 2021, I'd started writing a lot, like, treating it like a job

because I'd had a bunch of time off and was like, yeah, now this isn't what I want to do. And so, like, time off is not what you want to do. Well, just like anything else. Like, I basically spent that year, like, on the dole. and so like then like getting to the end of that and things opening up

and having to address like right what do I want to do I realise it is make music so I just started doing it like as a nine to five Monday to Friday and had like in no time a bank of songs building up

and so when we came back to it I was like well I've actually written a song kind of about this and like what has happened and like trying to work out how it's happened and James and I got together and recorded that with the lovely Mike Horner in Hastings.

And that went really well and has become the song 19 Dreams on the record. And like three weeks later than that, we had 12 songs, I think. Yeah, like, when was it? In the pandemic. Like, yeah. 2021, like March and April. Yeah. But we basically, we asked the other guys if they wanted to do it and they couldn't

because they had, like, during the pandemic, everyone had to do other stuff didn't they so Tom's now a tattooist which is obviously you get a shit load more money doing that than you do from being in like a and he's got two kids and he's got three kids now three kids yeah yeah so he's I was about saying many happy returns which is the second office but it also means birthday oh but um yeah like so they they were doing that but we didn't intend we didn't even think we were going to carry on before we would just release like two songs and then that was it but then we yeah to get a bit of money to get a bit of money to pay all your debts back.

Yeah, basically. Or just to give people something to go out on. Yeah, like we still, most of the time writing the record, we didn't know what we were going to do with it. Whether it was going to be the last thing we put out or whether it was going to. Now that will have to be edited out, because that's the legs for the table.

I've got a neon light. Matt, you just asked me, why does it all podcasts have a neon night? Because all good podcasts do, and I just copied what good podcasts do. If you're watching it, this, we had a little break because my table legs turned up. You should be watching this with us around a round table,

like some sort of night of the realm. There's another one. A third of his coat. And I've just turned the lights on so it looks a little bit better in the background. Where were we on our conversation? We were talking about pressing shit? No, having just written a record, basically. And, yeah, like, I don't know if I'm label even knew.

We kind of did it. You didn't know you split up or didn't know you'd made it. He didn't know he made a record. And, like, Mike, our producer, because he's got a wicked studio at the bottom of his gut, top of his garden, actually. Where it's just up hill. Oh, okay.

And so, and. Hastings? Yeah, yeah, everyone does. And, like, he basically did a lot of it on good faith, I think. Yeah, he didn't get paid for ages because, oh, that's cool. Yeah, it's a top bloke and really good. It's great.

nice working environment because he'd actually thought about how he wanted his studio to be. So there's a big old window in there. Who played the drums on it? Tom played the drums on it. Tom played the drums on it. Then you didn't ask me to join and you got some other motherfucker. If anyone doesn't know, this is a nice little story and if you're not happy with any of the details being shared, I'll edit some of the details out.

So we made friends at that festival, wedding festival a while ago, just because we like the office, stayed in touch or whatever. Easy. Tom Ogden has his first kid. Yeah. Bloody early, doesn't he? And you had two shows booked. You had Oxford Academy and

fucking headlining 2000 festival in 48 hours time. Now, I get a fucking phone call from you saying, how many songs do you think you can learn? What's the weekend look like? How many songs do you think you can learn in 48 hours? And I was like, I don't know.

Why? And you said, we're doing this. We're fucked. Tom's like Tom will I think Tom will do it if he has to but he's going to miss the birth of his first child Yeah So I was like

At that point I didn't have a band at that point So I was like I had had time off from touring And I was like fuck yeah I want to do this Learn I think it was 18 songs It was 18 songs

18 songs in 48 hours We do the warm up show Goes fucking perfectly Get we're on the bus afterwards Is it? Am I allowed to go down here? Yeah We're on the bus afterwards

because everyone's sober now, so it's fine. We're on the bus afterwards. Someone whips out a bag of the devil's finest, the devil's dandruff. And I was like, and I was like, boys, you're like, oh, I'll preface this. When you told me, you asked me if I could do it, and I was like, well, yeah, but I've got like three,

I've got two full days of teaching and, like, booked in, which is going to be a lot of money, plus the stress or whatever. So you were like, how much do you want? And I gave you an outlandish figure. And then you just went, yeah. So that's probably some of the debt. I gave you an outlandish figure.

And you said, yeah. So I was in missed a fucking professional mode. So then we play the first show. It goes great. On the bus, someone whips a bag out. And I was like, boys, I'm fucking working here. We've got the headlining a festival the next day. I've only played the songs once.

I'm not doing it. And then the general consensus is, well, you will not get paid. If you don't do this bag of a acoustic guitar right now.

I also the bit that's stuck in my mind was you saying do you want me to look 55 tomorrow? Is that what it was?

I didn't care about a performance it was the age. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember that photographer we had with us? Do you want me to look

55? That is something I would say and still so. Yeah. That's why I stopped doing cocaine. Nothing to do

with the tragedy. The detriment. to my mental health. It's actually the aging. The photographer, Ben? Yeah. So he was like quite a sweet,

normal, wholesome man. Didn't know what he was getting into. He literally poked his head. He like came upstairs to open the lounge to hang out with us. We were like blasting metal doing gear off the back of a fucking acoustic guitar. And he just popped his head and he went, and walked out. We were like,

it's fucking awful. And then we played the festival. It was years ago. Paid the festival. Yeah, we're all fine now. Played the festival, it went fucking well. It was. Like, there was no mistakes.

It was such a good fucking time. Thanks for having me. I think I said it at the time. But it was like, that's a core memory that I'll remember for fucking ever. Even like just like, obviously the night before makes it funnier,

but learning that many songs and doing that set. It was a fucking, however many thousand people. It was like, it was a headline. Yeah, headline main stage festival set. That's like on my,

like, I'll never do that again. Someone's like, someone's, like, someone asked me. I'll just go, no, I'll stay at home and make a t-shirt. it. Fair enough. This is going to cost you.

There you go. That was good. But then I always thought I'd just secretly join your band and then I didn't. Well, I sort of always thought that as well. But then I wonder, I think it was because, like,

you just, you would just, well, you started doing this sort of stuff as we needed a drummer. And I was like, Craig's fucking miserable. He's like, we don't need another one.

Similar. Do I mean? Probably what we get on. Similar. Five, five. I was like, Craig's fucking miserable. He probably makes way more. money doing what he's doing than he's going to do if he comes on tour with us because i'm

fucking broke so i'm sure he doesn't want to be and i think i just sort of dismissed it can i do it if karen i'll get he meant he was sure luke campbell he's apparently he's really good it's unbelievable who did he play for he doesn't really i plays for he's in about 20 bands like yeah he oh one of those people that loves music he he he jobs around brighton a lot but like he this guy called Howard Kay supported us um ages ago in like our last tour before we

and Luke was the drummer so apologies about that we sort of stole him I said at the time I was like I want to have it you on him if he as a kid can I come back

yeah no I was going to say that you well not even if he everyone becomes not even if he has a kid but if he like we've already played a show where he couldn't play

because he had to do something else well who did that not you that's how low you've gone It's not that. It's nothing to do with that. Wow.

I do it tonight. How long have we got? How many songs are you learning? Four hours. Well, I know. The beauty is, I don't know, a lot of the old stuff still. Yeah, yeah. We don't.

We don't. What have you repurposed? Nothing, really. There's an old song called anemophobia. That means even do a little synth version of. And then you just play new shit? No. We play one song from 2013 and everything else.

is 2017 onwards pretty much. Just you don't pay anything... I falls on my first lighters. Do they hate that? But I've seen... Not really. Not really. It was fucking rammed.

It was banging. Yeah, it was really good. Absolutely fucking rammed. To be fair, every show's been like, fucking rammed. Yeah. Even though you're not playing... I don't think they're over it now.

I guess it's been a long time. And we're playing... I remember when Old Souls came out. Yeah. So we play one song of Old Souls. They weren't very happy. No, they weren't very happy. it's weird

are they just forget I don't know I actually I am as you now well the thing I'm told us it's fucking wicked I know thank you very much

first record don't worry about it the thing I always think is the albums aren't going anywhere yeah have a listen to that if you on

like just don't listen to this one to the next one it'll probably be different but well that's that's actually when you play with this was one of the last times you would have done

friends like these shit did we play that and yeah yeah obviously listen you employ me for a bit of

fashion work. There's a blast. It might as well be in the worst song, is that. But like, because people always, you see it online, or like we did see it online, people saying like, I'm playing this, me, me. And then you don't. Do that again?

I just, surely that's how everyone who goes on Twitter, speaks. Yeah. You didn't. Yeah. I'm playing these. Man. Call the council.

Man. All right. Let's get off that bit. And then you do it, and you realize this is like one person in the crowd who's up for it, and you're like, well, oh, so we did that for nothing. We didn't enjoy that. And one person enjoyed that.

That's how's with Damia, negative and violent, all of those songs, just like, one person goes, play this, and then the next tour we go, you know what we'll play it? Not one person's happy. No one else. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's kind of,

but putting a fucking set together is actually really hard now because we've got so many albums. I just don't know what to play. The only thing that you can do is add more time to the set. But that's, like, what I set now is an hour and 20 minutes or something

without talking? That's mental. Without talking? It's an hour and 20 minutes. Oh, fuck no. We just did an hour and I was like, I don't think I'm ever,

and do this again. I don't think I'll ever do it again. Weirdly, it doesn't feel that long, though, so that sort of means we're enjoying it, I guess. Yeah, and we've, it's quite a good set. It took us a little while

to get to where it is, but it's got a nice flow on it. Yeah, I feel like you've got the scope for flow. Well, that's... Man, like, cuss doesn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to play the acoustic song,

but what are you doing? I'm beating someone over the head with it. Yeah, but I think a band like yours doesn't necessarily need to play that long because if I go and see a hardcore band, I don't really want them to play for an hour and a half unless it's like, also, no, I don't. Also, if you're, you know, appropriately moving

for that amount of time, you'll have a cardiac arrest. If you're doing it for an hour and half. I said this the other day, we toured with devil wears Prada and they played for an hour and 32 minutes that's Shrek 2 that is like imagine you put Shrek 2 on and you just go nuts for the whole movie

until the end and then you stop that is made I mean actually thinking about it and how intense the drums are for basically every single song you have I don't know how you do it for I don't just gets progressively worse as the tour goes on and as the sets go on because we've got shit loads of breaks

Like some of the songs Luke's literally just hitting a kick drum. Like we've got so many breaks on it. So it's like, give me that job. You would enjoy it. Everyone who's a fan of the podcast who listened to the last five episodes about, he's really not happy. You get a fucking bookmaker just being like, you want to play fucking bets on this?

Anyone was listening from a huge band who just has kick on two and four. Kick on two and four. It's fucking weird. Reggae. Yeah, it's reggae. A music joke there, guys. If any reggae bands listening You need a drummer

For kicks on two on four I'm that it? It took me ages to realise why I couldn't Do a reggae beat And then I realised the kicks Where the fucking snare should be It's fucking Yeah

Yeah And then you start You stuck a reggae beat in something Yeah No I remember having to learn it Yeah trigger Yeah

Is that a soak I don't want it is mate I should know I got degree in music Have you? I haven't I just got me God's your degree in music

make most of my money from talking into a fucking microphone Fair play Yeah Did teach me how to speak to the other people That I need Yeah Don't worry about it

Thanks Alright we're done Fucking hell Alright we're done Yeah We're not done We're not done Now we're near done

How long has this tour got Did you do Europe first Yeah Yeah Which is basically just Germany That's what I was gonna What was gonna go to next Like how does

and this is it's going to sound offensive at first but we're mates yeah how does death of anna do outside of the UK because there was a time when there was all these massive bands

that the bands that headlined slam dunk that aren't American yeah right and they did absolutely fucking like four people outside of the UK all that I could

I could list them I'm not going to throw them under the bus but the perception in the UK is that they're the biggest band in the fucking world yeah and then Michael McIntyre

there you go Michael Maconair Biffy Clyro you know there's loads of these bands who are absolutely fucking zero people outside of the UK but people in the UK think they're the biggest thing on fucking earth and I feel like with all due respect you were that

yeah we probably were to be honest we were for a long time I still don't really know how we do outside of Germany but in Germany we've started doing all right over the past like five years or so Like the last, so the last Cologne show we played before this tour was probably 300 and it didn't sell out. And this one was 500 and it sold out.

So it's definitely getting bigger. But we've got, we've got loads of songs, not loads of songs. We've got two songs that are on the radio, like daytime radio every single day in Germany. In Germany, the ones in the German language. Do it has. Yeah, the German language. But, um, so it's definitely picking up there. But we did, for, for, I think we progressed to quite big London shows quite quickly.

So even the rest of the UK didn't catch up with London. And it still doesn't. really, which is weird. You did Rock City Roundhouse. To be fair, there's a lot of people. We did the Academy in Manchester and that was pretty on this. Yeah, like a couple of nights ago.

That was fucking mental. That felt bigger than the Roundhouse. Yeah. Which was weird. But we just started doing quite well in Germany, but other than that, now we don't really, we pull more than four people, but it's not like... No, four is... No, but I've seen bands like you're on about and they literally know one.

Which is... Like, we'll do a few hundred everywhere now in Germany, which is like even weird little. But like even when we were playing in like, we played in like Thailand before we broke up. And there was like 500 people there. 400 people there. I reckon that's the old fog of being drunk at the time. There's a lot of people there's about 150. Was there?

Yeah. But also not that many people go. So a lot of people go to the shows. Just be like, what the fuck this band's from fucking the UK? Yeah. Let's have a little look at that. What are you doing here? that's the

6. Quote 6. Yeah, because a lot of bands not naming any names but I've already named their name. In a way. In a way.

They see the success not transfer over, particularly America. It's a lot of fucking harder. Yeah, I mean, we don't know anything. But then they like, just deliberately don't do anything. Is that, are you like, is America out?

I'm definitely not it's just got to make you just haven't done it financially yeah so fiesies are so fucking expensive and especially now it's like it's mad but I think we have just neglected it a bit we've only

we've only on one tour in America and that was long and it was hard and dog shit there was a period of time where we had people who instead of going you can do this but you're going to be this much money like in the whole four year

they just went Yes. Basically, you should have fucking listened to me and him. Because we were like, this is bollocks. I've just looked up with venue sizes. They're fucking shit. Was it a headline? No, supporting Ash.

Do you remember them? Yeah. Didn't know they did. No one in America remembers them? Yeah, I was going to say, I didn't think they did well. What I've done is they've taken two of those type of bands, and what you should have done is have a US band. Big US.

You must have friends in the US. You must be people in the US bands that loved everyone. They're all in metal bands. Yeah, why? We can't. Why do we love you? American metal bands fucking love us. I don't know why. But we had a few small headline shows as well and they were actually pretty good. They were better. And the real tragedy of it, we were away for like six weeks in 2014, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And it was obviously in January and February, so it's for most of it, absolutely freezing.

and we can't the last show we were meant to do was in New York and I'm pretty sure we sold out a really small headline show and we got snowed in in Harrisburg and couldn't get there and like to the point where you could sit

in the lobby and see the guy with a snowplow going around and like clearing out the front and as like just directly out front of the door and as soon as he'd done the whole car park it was time to start again like it was just like one there's no chance we're getting there.

Unfortunately, I think that tour warped our opinion of America a bit because having been back many times since, I fucking love it. Yeah. But we just were so miserable on that tour. And I was, we got back, I was like, fuck America. Were you in a van?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The drives were mental. Like, is that insane? Yeah, it was, it was insane. I was 20 as well. So you couldn't even drink. Very strict on the old carding. You couldn't even go in.

There was a venue we played in Seattle. He wasn't even allowed in a pot from when we played. We walked in. We were El Corazon. It was called like the tractor something in Seattle. And like memory. Yeah, yeah.

We were out sober, won't I? Walked in and like five minutes after like trying to set our stuff up, some geezer in a high vis comes in and goes, Where's the Minor? And it's just like, oh, brilliant. Like get stamped. Pido, is it? Yeah, yeah.

Carry on. But yeah, I literally just had to sit in a van. I was allowed to play the show, and that was it. So what an inconvenient way to get out of load out, basically. But it was berserk. It was dog shit. There was some good, looking back, there was actually probably more good days than bad days, but the bad days were so fucking shit that it just warped my opinion of the whole tour.

But there was some good, like, basically just got pissed up and had a good laugh. Well, you didn't. Yeah. You did? Well, I didn't naturally. Legally. I found a dive bar in Nashville where no one was asking questions so I was like, you can do what you want,

I'm going to sit here and just drink until I fall off this stool, which I did. I've got some visualization of that. However, I wasn't the first. The tour manager from Ash was a first. No, no, no, the bass player. Wait, are you all falling off stalls? I didn't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the round was a bourbon shot of fireball, and a beer each. Nice. Sounds nice. It was nice, actually. So America's out. No, America's definitely not out.

When you do, it's so annoying. The weird thing about touring is like when it's good, it is the fucking best thing on earth. Like, you can't like, some people will die not knowing what that feels like,

which is crazy. It's like, it's better than any fucking drug on it. It's like, good shows. Good, hanging out. Same. Good, like, travel. bus, a bandwagon, whatever,

like good friends, meeting new people, good food, it's like people would pay tens of thousands for that experience. It can be amazing. But then when it's bad,

it might be because the good is so good, when it's bad, it feels like fucking prison. It's, it's inexplicable, isn't it, when it's that bad.

Like, it genuinely, this is going to sound really dark, but the amount of times I've just been, like, contemplating how I'm going to kill myself. Yeah,

or you sit there and you're like and I mean that in a serious way Yeah I have it It's insane I know Brendan has it as well From counterparts Yeah Where I'll be in my bunk

If I'm having a bad time I'll be in my bunk and I'll be like And this is a fucking horrible thing to say Hope the bus crashes There was a fucking South East Asia tour Which on paper I fucking love it Every time we go there

Yeah yeah But it was booked Like it often is there It was booked Fly in Soundcheck Play the show show, fly out, sound check, play the show with no time for sleeping.

Yeah, we did a couple of those. And there was times, it got to like maybe day three or whatever, because we'd just done Australia and Japan before, which was heaven. And then South East Asia, if you had a day off, would be heaven. And then the plane would be landing, and it would be a bumpy landing. I'd be like, fuck, find me. Sweet. I can rest.

I'm going to rest in it. I'm going to rest forever shortly. Yeah. Didn't happen in the end. He was rubbish. He was rubbish. Nine. But the thing for me is what makes it difficult is the lack of personal space, basically, after a bit.

Unless you're obviously in a massive band, like, when we played with Kings of Leon, and they literally had a separate car each waiting for them in the back. It was in America. No, we did it in Europe, Germany. Yeah, yeah. But we had one day off, and they flew home on a private plane for one day. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if I can still do that now.

Probably. Not climate shame. No, no, no, no. They were bloody nice, actually. But, like, that's the bit I really struggle with, because... Even on a bus tour?

Just, like, you're always under someone's feet, basically. I mean, the bus, the bunks are literally centimeters away from each other. So you're always so close. I think you still shut the thing, have I made. Yeah. Yeah, I can't burn through that many socks.

No, either. Oh, you're a sock wanker? Yes. I'm not. I think it's very much an American thing. I just think that I don't want to get

Athletes cock. That's what I think about as well. Obviously, I don't think it works like that, but that's... You can get a yeast infection, no, in your feet and in your cock. Athletes cock. Yeah.

That's something else. Athletes cock. If I was one of those people that would have the title would be, just like a quote from the episode, it would be athletes cock. Obviously.

it. Brilliant. That would ruin the title of your next record. So, yeah. I don't, I don't struggle as long as I've got a bunk. That isn't, for the preface that,

it isn't, like an actual bus bunk. Yeah. And I think, I think when you guys get a US tour in a bandwagon or a bus, it just changes everything. Someone else is driving. You wake up.

I would love to do that. Oh, My entire life I've seen this city in this movie, this movie, you just wake up. I would love to do it. America's definitely not out. I just want to do it. The dream is to support a big American band, isn't it? Yeah.

And do it well. Who would be the dream one? I don't know. Come on. I mean, I've got a whole dream festival segment starting in 15 minutes. I don't blow. Don't blow your load on it. I love all that.

Call comes in tomorrow because of this. I mean, I don't, yeah, we'll be because of this. Who's the, who do you want? Fuck me. I don't know. The thing is, the ones that I want, probably their fans wouldn't give a shit about us anyway.

I genuinely think Kings of Leon is one of them. Yeah. Because... Yeah, well, that's not... We've already done that a bit. But, I mean, that is... I always said, like, maybe that was because at the time

I wrote a couple of songs that sounded a bit like Kings of Lillian. But, I don't know. I mean, that's a pretty good one. Their fans are, like, really open to any kind of music. We would play the appropriate songs, you know? Yeah. I don't know, really.

I don't really know. I mean, I don't think that's how old. I thought you were going to say something like fucking Gojira. Well, that's not going to work. That'll be mental. That's not going to work. Some sort of weird ATP, like, curated line-up. Yeah.

I'm a deaf of Anna, mono, Gojira. Excellent. I'd go. Yeah. I'd have to. You're playing. You're going with Kings of Leon as well? A dream US tour?

I think that would be one with my sensible head on. Well, I don't know. Basically, the dream one is he's probably not about Nike's Leon actually, because their fans are like older and they know what they like. It's probably like a little young... No, you're getting a bus for that. I don't mean the little shows. I mean, like, really famous young artists whose fans just love anything they hear. Do you know what I mean?

Like, if you're... 1975. That'd be good. Yeah, it'd be fucking perfect. But, I mean, I've asked Ross about a million times and he's basically just blanked me, so... I used to play FIFA. with Ross during the pandemic.

I didn't even know it was him until someone, we had like a FIFA group chat with loads of people. He's a baseball player. With loads of people in it. And then I'm playing him one day. I'm like, on the voice chat,

I said, what'd you do? He's like, I'm playing it, man. What's you about it? What's you back? Oh, the 19-75. All right. It's hard for me to, because I've been friends with Ross for ages

and like, he's, like, I love him, but he's just a normal bloke. It's hard for me to see him as the same person who plays on stage in that fucking massive band. It's weird. It is, it is. It is funny.

It's weird, isn't it? Because he comes to our gigs. We played a shitty little gig in London at the Lafayette, which is a tiny venue. He just comes to all of our gigs. It's just quite weird. It's funny, though.

I like to see, I like to see normal, I mean, everyone's a normal person, but like people I know, be like, fuck me, they're doing well. Yeah. Good.

Yeah. Good for him. Good for him. Not a quote, but could be. Delivered in the style of a quote. Well, that's a beauty of it. I had another thing to say about,

about the US tour thing, I can't remember it. I'm fucking terrible with this. Terrible. It's broadcasting. That's it. That's a beautiful of it. Great, mate.

Oh, no, it was good. Where were we? You said, wait until you do a proper one in a bus or a bandwagon. That was the last thing you said. I just want, I can't go back from that. I can't go back.

Brilliant. I won't go back. Waste a time. And they're like, oh, we've got this way, it's a van tour. I'll be like, oh, this, yes.

Yes. Come back around. Remembered it. If I wanted people to be like, oh, he's a really good podcast. so I'd edit that out so it's like oh that was seamless

but really I want everyone to know I'm just a fucking guy yeah this is achievable and credit card debt yeah here's a hypothetical

because death of anna is you two right correct now going to the States if anyone doesn't know let's assume you get a one year

P1 or P2 visa it is you're looking at 1500 to 2 grand in the whole per person unless you get an 01 and some sponsors but

0-1 is 6 grand plus some sponsors. You're talking to take a full band. You're 15 to 20 grand in the hole before you've even fucking stepped anywhere. Yeah. But... Which is mental. You guys are now, technically,

the two of you. Would you employ US musicians to make it cheaper and sell your band out? No, but they're not. It's you guys. They're essentially, I guess they're session musicians. Would you do that?

Because that's what I'd fucking do. Potentially. There's it. There you go. It's a business man. You think of that manager. Who's the manager? Just stick the CD in.

Didn't think of that? Stick the CD on. No, you can't do that. You need to just get a couple of... Didn't you say you've got an 01? Dove punk it? Yeah, I've got an O1. I'll do it.

Oh, yeah, shit. You're trying to worm your way into our band anyway, so... No, I didn't even think of that. Wormed your way out of it. I've got two years left on that. Brilliant. Expect to cool. Save you money and spend that money on me.

Plus... If it was on a bus, we're Kings and Leon, I'll do it for free. Well, it won't be. You heard it here first. During the pandemic, other than crippling, you were on the doll. Yeah. You were cripplingly depressed and drunk.

Yeah. Do you do anything else? Learning your new hobbies, like everyone had like a fucking... Yeah, I did. I didn't know how to record music before that. Fuck off. I didn't know how to... You didn't do any demo in before.

Yeah, I did it on my iPad on Garage Band. Yeah, that's... That was, and now you do it on... No, I know how to use logic. Yeah, but I didn't know how to do anything. I don't even know how to, like, edit... How did you live? aren't it?

Talk myself, watch nerds on YouTube. Isn't it mad how good YouTube? It's amazing. It's amazing. Anything in the world. You go, how do you do that?

The best? And then the best person is always on, there's not like some secret best person in like, fucking the deepest jungles of Africa who can do everything better. The best person,

there might be, fucking come for me. The best person, they don't have electricity there, I imagine. Now I'm digging myself at a hole. Yeah, you are. I'm not saying anything.

That's fine. Now. Ricky DeVos, do you want to be mates? I actually do believe in relation. But like, the best person at anything in the world is on YouTube. With the most views. So you can just, there's a thing like philosophers are talking about and like scientists are talking about how like human evolution is going so fucking fast because you can look at the best person at anything.

Yeah. And just get better at. it. Yeah. So then it's not like an actual evolution thing, but like an evolution of the human brain, like the levels are just going up and up and up. Yeah, it's mental.

If you put your mind to it, you can just go, who's the best person at that? Okay, all I've got to do is be better than that. Yeah. So you looked at the best person for recording, and now you're better than them. Is that what you're saying? Almost certainly not.

But I definitely got from being shit to being good in a pretty short space of time. Well, you, other than... You just writing. You just told me you wrote fucking an album in. She basically wrote the album. Just got all right at cooking, I think. Is it?

Yeah. What's your favourites? I love a bit of cooking. I love it. I just can't stop eating. It's why I've got into running to try and counteract how much I can eat. I've got no time for running. Good for you, but I've got no time for it.

It's so boring to me. I wish I liked it. I know so many people who do it now. You love it though. I love it. Oh, for the freedom, the brain. It's really. good for you, Ed's. That's why I...

Is it good for your legs, though? Because every one time I run, I've got to sore shins. Yeah. Well, what shoes you're wearing, and are you stretching properly? No. No. Yeah, that. All right, okay. What are you being cooking? Well, just... This is where the old brain it was blank. But, um...

Well, let's... Everything. Let me... Let me... I got... So, what you're on about, about watching YouTube videos, that's kind of what I did. And there's one fella who his channel basically shows you how to make British Indian restaurant Curries. Oh wow.

And so I was like, all right, if I just go to Taj in Brighton and spend like 20 quids on all the right spices and seeds and everything in like a one-off bang, I can just kind of throw together anything at this point and make it pretty decent.

What's your go-to? I make either a panier or like a chicken gel-phrasey sort of thing. Banging. And it's like, I've got, to a point where it's pretty good. And I am just going to have a shout out. The best compliment I ever received was,

so my fiancé's sister-in-law, and her family is Indian, and she said her grandmother would eat that. And I was like, get in. Can I ask you something? Who's your tampons? Quote nine. As long as you get to ten, I'm fine.

That's ten. Is that ten? I think so. I'm really sorry, everyone. But watch the UK office and ignore, just think of it as two separate entities. Yeah. Also, Stephen Merchant Carrens it.

Anyway. To me, they're not mutually exclusive. 10. Oh, 11. We're on 11. Now, I forgot what was going to fucking say? No. Can I ask you something?

How'd you do your narns then? Because a fucking, a shop bought narn sucks. Yeah. I got okay at making rotis, basically. And so I'd do that instead. From scratch? Yeah. Fucking hell.

I want to come down and have a little fucking little time. It's long. really enjoy the... I like that with cooking. I think it helps my brain to just like do things bit by bit and then there's something

quite poetic. Oh God, it sounds like a waker. You look like Frank Zappa so you can say whatever you want. Well, no, there's something that feels quite poetic about taking all these separate things and

like putting him together and making, having something made at the end of it if you know what I mean. I've had this conversation. with many other people I made you a lovely coffee before this right I think that there's a massive correlation with

music and food coffee boozy boozy alcohol not necessarily based on the boozing I have a theory of why that is why do you think that is uh firstly do you agree with I don't I 100% agree with it

I think because it's also creative. What Mattie just described is essentially how you write a song taking all these different elements and putting them together and making something better. And for me, like, I don't know if this goes, it seems to go hand in hand. Like, I'm incredibly neurotic and, like, I have a lot of, that's not really OCD, but like, some stuff.

And cooking and stuff like that helps me calm down. I'm just, I just stress. I get stressed about, like, weird stuff. Like, I don't know, like, if that's not, I don't know. I mean, that's OCD. Stupid stuff like that. It's not to the point where it ruins my life, because I know some people have it so bad.

You do your own job with that. That's the drinking. Always like this, isn't it? Vic and Bob and another one. One extra one. If you're going to do it, do it, right? Is it one extra one? Yeah.

Get off the quote. This was good, that was a calm. Yeah, I think, because it's creative in it, like, but it calms me down and, like, it makes my, it just takes my mind off, like, miserable stuff. What's your take? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It has definitely performed that function for me

And it's a little bit of control, I suppose, that you can have over a little bit. But I just, I like the paraphernalia of stuff. Like, I really enjoy making a coffee and hand grinding beans and things like that because I like the bits that go towards making something, if you know what I mean. Yeah. So in, and that was me.

Bang it, though. That was Marimba's in Paris. Um, so that's actually the name of the ringtone. Um, my thought on it, like what you were saying with different bits of, the different paraphernalia involved in cooking, like having a nice pan or whatever. It's like having a, uh, vintage guitar. You know what I mean? So there's that scratch that gets itched.

But then also for me, in particular, like, well, we were having a little conversation off the record before this about like, why the fuck do you write hard drum parts? Because when you get them right, it feels fucking good. Like the dopamine, I think there's a risk to reward involved in like making food

or making a coffee. When you don't, which is not always necessarily fucking healthy. Like when you, when I fuck a shot of espresso before this, if I fuck a shot of espresso up, it's the same feeling in my brain

is when I fuck up a film. If I cook food, I really don't think is that good. It makes me so angry. So this is really funny. One of our very good friends, Mr. Ricky Layfield, I'll give you.

a shout-out, always brings up the time James made a burger and got angry and threw it at the wall. I've got anger problems. It wouldn't stay together, mate. It's not the burger's fault, mate. It wouldn't stay together, so I got really pissed off. I was like, fuck, it's just slammed against the wall.

But yeah, I don't do that anymore. I don't do that anymore. But I do get really annoyed if it's not. It actually annoys me, say if I fuck up something on stage, that annoys me way less than if I fuck up food. Yeah. Yeah, I just get upset. Maybe because there's an external stress

so you can think of yourself a bit more like sweaty or whatever. Yeah, you might be. You fucking making the rotis, making all the fucking shit. Yeah. Sweating his ass off. Yeah, boy. And then the same with coffee,

like the different, being able to identify the different, like, textures and tastes in the coffee is sort of like being able to identify. This is getting super hippie now. Identify like, well, that's what harm many they do in there.

Do you know what I mean? I totally agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Synergy. Yeah. It's, well, for me, it's the kind of thing that, like, I've begun to appreciate coffee in particular a lot more as I've got older. And I guess that's just the more you get into stuff.

And so once you start being aware of that. It's annoying, though. You can enjoy it on that level, if you know what I mean. And that is what disappeared when I had COVID. Same. It tasted like I drank coffee backwards, if you know what I mean, and all I got was the bitter end. Yeah.

Good song. And then trying to get them on here. They're playing down the road. Today? No, like in a couple of weeks. Our manager is their manager? Really? I want Brian to sit there.

It's literally a... Percival's going to docks myself, but he could walk here. Yeah. I had something else to say, but now, yeah, please do that for me. Okay, cool. I mean, can't guarantee you your laughing. That's fine. I can tell him, I fancied him when I was a kid, but I'm straight.

So that's weird, isn't it? I agree with you. I fancied him when I was a kid. I'm straight. Yeah, I agree. It's good. Androgynous. That is the one.

Love for Citi, though. Yeah, the best. Like, insane. I feel like they took them a while to take, to like, like, pick up in America. Same thing, but they did it. Guy on a lot of those people in America, I love them.

I remember when they were massive here. Yeah. That was years ago. I was like when I was at school. Yeah, like 99. Yeah, they were massive here. 90s famous. Back in the day when I fancy Brian Mulco,

they weren't massive in America. Just like that, we're going to do a dream festival And there's something to plug Nothing, everything's already out The tour will be over by the time it comes out Yeah, we've got more tours booked Just the Kings of Leon's Just the King's of Leon US tour

Just the pipe dream Yeah, put the energy out We're under a big pentagram There's a bunch of books on actual black magic in here We'll actually make something fucking happen Fair enough, okay Yeah, no, I think there's a conversation ongoing about future gigs

because there will be. It's a good idea. Well, what will happen is, if they've been announced by the time this comes out, you'll tell me, and I'll have already said it at the beginning of the podcast. There's as long with that sponsor, you should all be checking now. All right, so if you don't know, there's a part of the festival, which I didn't do with architects,

because... Part of the... Podcast. Start that again. No, I'm not going to start again. There's a part of the podcast, end of the podcast where I'll do a dream festival. It's truly a dream festival, right? I'm going to run you through it before you go.

I want to... this is on a paloosa. Right? Hey? Do you know who you talking to? I'm going to run you through it. But people got annoyed. I didn't do it with architects because there's two of them and it was, it would have taken

too long, basically. But then people, so many people got annoyed with it because it's now, basically, I took off menu, made it musical and stole it. And now it's the best part of the podcast and people were unhappy. Weird that that podcast worked then, isn't it? Yeah. There we go. Perfect.

So, what we're going to do? So you can confer. You don't have to give me the same answer. All right. How many days is the festival? That's not part of it. I mean, that comes in, but I've got a system. Okay.

All right. The only rule is that death Havana is playing. Okay. So that... First on, then. Yeah. We're first on. We'll be...

You're first on. Second on. Okay. We're going to get to that. What country is the festival in? Oh, that is such a good question. Thank you very much. Because I'd really...

Actually, no. Mexico. In Mexico. 100%. Second one in a row to be a year. To be in Mexico, yeah. Jesse even sticks your guns. Yeah, 100%.

He said Mexico City. Yeah, I was just going to say Mexico City. Mexico City. Basically, Corona Capital. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so we're there. But with a German backstate, no, with the backstage area.

We're getting to that. We're getting to that. It's all part of the things. But, you're on board, right? Because what it is, usually, it takes people a while, and they're trying to think what's reasonable and what's logical. And then there's a moment where it becomes

musical Dungeons and Dragons and they go well actually and I'm like okay but I can see that you're on board already 100% okay so what's your accommodation an insane like house with a pool infinity pool how far from the festival just a sort of 15 minute drive

nice and yeah the accommodate I don't know what do you say yeah mansion with infinity pool sounds good mansion was a me that sounds good comfy beds. Because usually what happened sometimes people go, oh,

I don't like camping so I'll just be on the bus and I'm like, it's your dream fucking festival. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, imagine...

But I'd like to be able to walk there and not just out of pass as well. No, I know what I want to do. I'd want to get a lime scooter there. Yes. Nice. Yeah, they have them in Mexico City

and they have cycle lanes everywhere so you can literally... Is there, there's no risk? The mansion's not ex-cartel, or is it ex-cartel? No, no, no, no. A lot of them are. So, okay, so this is a clean Airbnb type vibe.

Insanity. Insanity. Insanity, Paul. Okay, cool. Who is the headliner? I know what you're going to say. Yeah, you know exactly what I'm going to say. And it was the headliner at Corona Capital. Nine of snails, obviously. Who's your, okay.

Mine is Bjork. It would work. Second time mentioned, third time mentioned. They're big for a reason. Okay, so we're going to do. How about this? Day each Day each

Or you want to Nah day each You can't make Trent Play before someone We know how that goes Definitely not Doesn't like that Okay so we've got

Nine Inch Nours day We've got Bjork Day Mm-hmm So anything Anything wacky in the stage set up So we've got a particular era Of either Yeah so me and Mattie saw Bjork

Play at It was at Pucklepot In 2012 12 And she had Hampan Hampan I saw her

No no No no She had a block of ice Mike up and someone was like walking on it. She had the, um, that was when she has the like Vandagraph. Did she open with the handpans? I can't remember because I think we missed.

Because I saw her in 20, 20, must have been 2012. Yep. And she played the full new album in full at the start. Yeah. And then she just went, my manager said, I shouldn't do that fucking. And I was like, that's fucking sick. She's awesome. I love it. I love it. So she's gonna, she's gonna do the, this. Just like,

all the, an amalgamation of all the weird stuff she's ever had over the years in one show. What was the ice thing? She miced up. It was a massive block of ice that was miced up. And someone was just walking around. So, I was mad. Just be, everyone.

Just be weird and cool. If you have to be Icelandic, though, to... It helps. It helps with the ice. Certainly does it. Get it shipped in. No, no, no, no, no, probably be. Fresh.

All right. What's the nine-inch now set? Pretty close to when I saw him at the Royal Festival Hall in 2018, and they opened with the first four songs from the Fragile. Jesus Yeah That's what I've got Have they got the big

The silhouette lights Classic 9 inch now I really like how it is now Which is like a dirty cloth Dirty white backdrop And just Just Oh it's great

Like I saw them at Brixton This year obviously Because It's all Because they're playing And Just the It's how like

Obviously at one point The lighting was insane Like these LED things In front and behind them And they've kind of just scaled it back, but got almost,

it feels like, more creative with it. Yeah, that was weird, that tour was almost like an underplay. They played, and I went on tour

the same day, I was so annoyed. They played a venue that you can see out of that fucking window. Yeah, yeah. And I was on tour.

I just moved in. Yeah. So fucking annoyed. Yeah. Um, what's your favorite nightch now is? The fragile. I think it is the fragile.

It's a toss-up between, because of how I was, how old it meant to me, the downward spirals always going to be there. But as I've got older, I do think the fragile is the best one because I could, if I'd just heard it now, it would sound, and someone told me it came out yesterday. I would be like, yeah, of course. I mean, I think that was all every scene. Even fucking, like, pretty hate machine, 89. Yeah, yeah. Because of the drum samples. Yeah, yeah. I like the samples that sound like a fucking Paramour album. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's like, it just sounds new. Yeah. Yeah.

But the fragile, when the fragile came out, I was like at the age, perfect age for it to come out. But it was, you know, it's two disc. It was like just too much for me at the time. So I didn't read, there's songs from the Fragile that I like some of my favorite Ninetyneous songs, some of my favorite fucking songs ever. Yeah, yeah.

But it didn't resonate with me on a whole as much as Downward Spiled Good. And then actually, when With Teeth came out, I was when I was like, oh, okay, I like Nangian Nog. Yeah, yeah. That's the how my like I'm a bit of a part-time fan though me. I'm not really... I mean, there's still...

It goes deep. It's the gateway, isn't it? It's the gateway. That's the gateway, that's the gateway drug because it's so accessible. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah, that's the one... I think they have the biggest commercial success with the singles.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still, there's... What was it? Hurt those, hurt them, isn't it? Handlet fees. Only. Every day is that the same? Is that a single?

Should be. I think it was. But only was the other one I remember at the time. Yeah. that was it. I literally just hit an age and like I was like 18 or something

and was like, oh, I remember that Hand at Feed song, that's class. And then you go. And then just bought the CD because it was still that time. It was like,

oh yeah, that's just amazing, isn't it? And then went back from there and just bought everything they'd ever done. Every single one of my drum sound check. I'll play the whole kit.

Every single one is a 90s song. Just because I like it when like, obviously they're like iconic fucking grooves. I feel like I'm entering my I want to make iconic grooves era. Not like I want to be the most technical person on half.

I want to be like, I want people to go, oh, that's that sort of. Maturity. With teeth. Yeah, fucking piggy.

Like, do you know what I mean? Fucking Mr. Self's Restructory. Yeah. Um, and I like it when you see like an in-house guy go.

Yeah. Yeah. Because like, oh, it's just some metal show. Yeah. You play with teeth. And someone goes, yeah.

Oh, this band might be good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, right, so who are either second stage or just below these bands? I'd have Bonobo on one of them, I think.

Fair, do you want to mix it up and put them on nice nails, or it would be really obvious and then on Bjork? I was going to say placebo, so they can go on the Knights Nails Day. This festival's fucking rules. And Bonobo can go on the Bjork Day. Yeah. That's a nice fest. So far, it's so doable.

Yeah. Pretty fucking realistic. Your favourite placebo album? I think mine is actually... I might be loud like love. Yeah, yeah. If we're talking old albums, I don't know,

I got into Without You on nothing really late. That's really? I didn't, I listened to it when I was younger, but I didn't appreciate it fully until like maybe four or five years ago. But it's not my favourite out. I don't know, I just like,

I like songs off... I just think they're all fucking good. Yeah, I really have a soft spot for meds. Meds as well, yeah. Like, that was one I remember. I mean, let's be honest, It's sleeping with ghosts in it. That's the best album.

But then Nancy Boy in Pure Morning on other albums, they're two my favourite songs. Every year, every year, every me as well. Every year, every year. It's on the same one. That's on sleeping with ghosts, in it? Nope. It's on, that is on nothing.

That's it as well on value of nothing. Good. I don't know. They all fucking stretch those first three. Yeah, yeah. It's great. Love it. All right.

We're still at the festival. What's catering? Tacos. We're in Mexico. Yeah. Any particular ones? have you got a specific taco experience that you've had tacos if you're American which 35% are so um metrics yeah yeah the so one of my friends nico lives in mexico city and he took us to

this weird little like tiny it's basically like he said it's basically like an old woman who just cooks you know oh my god does it begin to pee i can't remember it's i'm pretty sure jess you didn't look like anything it looked like a strip it looked like a strip club but we went up and it was dark it was like small little neon lights yeah banging cocktails and then it was just like honestly the best like probably the best tackers I've ever in my life I'm pretty sure

and I'm pretty sure fucking Jesse's just said exactly the same place really festival yeah yes Jesse it's just some small place and some woman makes the tacos it's so good

yeah but again with Pia I can't remember what it's cool all right so far so fucking normal yeah what's the after show oh my god

well I could do anything on earth anything on earth anything on earth I want you to really think what is your perfect

because some people would just like I just want to go to bed I want to roll off stage and go bowling fuck that that's your

ideal yeah it's fucking class I mean yeah it's sick yeah yeah yeah but your dream so if you play

Anaheim house of blues you really could do that yeah yeah I want it I mean I want that

as soon as I'm done like directly like direct straight to your bowling shoes yeah yeah yeah so you could have your bowling shoes

at the side I'm playing in them that's how much I'm thinking yeah but you're on You've told me that you're on first, second.

Yeah, and so immediately after us, I put a ban, I don't go bowling. Until 9 o'clock. Bowling until 9 o'clock. Do you want it on site or you want to leave? Nah, I want it there. The problem is my... Back of the stage is bowling. Yeah, that's not a problem.

That's all right. Okay. That's two arts. That's just stage right. Yeah, yeah. Stage right has a bowling alley next to it. That's cool. There's also... Trent's there all day, warming his arm up.

What if I said there's also darts? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's nice. Go on. I don't know, like, I'm just trying to think of the best after party that I've ever been to. Well, I know what I'd want, actually, though. Go on.

As well. It's a bar in Brighton called The Great Eastern, and every Saturday, there's an old bloke with the reddest face what I've ever seen, who I think goes under the name, Professor Hard Times. And he just plays like... Sounds like a terror song.

50s and 60s... Yeah. Just plays like 50s and 60s in a whiskey bar, and that's what I want. Him in a bowling alley. But the bar of the bowling alley is the great East. See, that's Dream Festival. We can do that for him.

We can do that. I want to walk off stage and immediately be handed an E. Nice. I want to take that as soon as... And then the time it takes for me to get from the festival to the... There's a club in Marbea called Player Padre, and it's like... It's just like fucking magic.

I want to go... I want to be transported there. No, no, no. You can do that. As I get your fight there, the pill kicks in. No, no, they remake it in Mexico. Oh, okay. He's not happy about that.

Why? Because Fredigan's playing, and that's what you take the pill for. Okay. It's that venue, but Fredigan's playing at the after party. Okay. Can we do that? Just one pill? Well, until it...

I don't want to double drop. I've done it in a while, so it might be. Yeah, true. I haven't done it in fucking angels. Start with half and go from there. Yeah, start with a half. And get a pill testing kit. Yeah.

Ideally. especially if you're in Mexico City fuck knows. Yeah, we haven't picked up there. No. Dream pill, somewhere from Switzerland. Tesla. No, the other one's the fucking...

Get a pill, honestly, side note, like, pills can be fucking fun, but pill testing kit because shit's fucking mental. I wish I can't do pills anymore. No, me neither. I was just fucking...

The depression. Yeah, and I feel like my depression now that is constant is from doing abusing serotonin sometimes at 8 in the evening yeah

that's that's just fucking stupid okay let's do this and it's a really clean pill and you don't get any after effects of depression or or any of that stuff so that's Crystal Md Md M.

Okay okay but don't test it test it a lot of drugs in this one I think that's it wouldn't be good

amazing we're a lovely festival a lovely time the backstage is the backstage area from Puckle Pop because everyone has to hang out and that's what happens there. I should have asked you about backstage yeah, thank you.

Well, I realised you weren't going so I thought I'd pop that in there. Anything cool backstage, you wouldn't think? I mean, is the bowling alley in the backstage? Why don't you just do that? Yeah, that's easy. Two birds and one. A little bowling ball there.

Yeah. You were on tour, but it'll be over. When does it end? In like three days. Well, it was meant to end on a lovely high note in Glasgow, because Glasgow shows are banging. Yeah. But we had a couple of shows in the summer

that we were meant to do that got re-scheduled. Listen to this for one. You got Manchester. You got London. You got Glasgow. Nottingham as well. Nottingham.

Newcastle. And then Kingsley. On the way home, though. Well, you've got to go back. Crap, though, isn't it? What's the Newcastle venue? I don't know. Really small one.

I think it's changed. I mean, we just played Newcastle when it was a tiny little venue and it was fucking amazing. Yeah. It'll probably be amazing. That there. Yeah. No, it'd be fun.

It'll be fun. Trying to think what you can do, Nando's. We can do in Newcastle. Nando, do that anyway. Doesn't matter. Yeah, but one in Newcastle. There's two in Newcastles. One in Newcastle outside of bowling at actually.

It's lovely. It's a lovely time. Thanks for coming. Thank you for having. It's been a while since it's in you. I know. And I've loved it. Let me join your band.

Particularly for either the Dream Festival or for this Kings of Leone tour that we're manifesting. We are going to manifest it. Manifesting. Anyone who uses that word as a verb. Is it? You look like a manifesto?

No, I think that's why. That's why you have to shave your head. Listen, manifesting shit works. It definitely does work. Peace.