The Downbeat - DYING FETUS | DRUMS, DOUBLE STROKES + DEATH METAL WITH TREY WILLIAMS

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

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Any good? You know, on the Bristol stool chart, right? Is that a fucking real thing? Yeah. No, it is. It's like one to five or six, one being like constipated and six being water. I was somewhere around like a three. Is that ideal?

Yeah, you want to be around like a three or a four. Soft but not too soft. Right, right. You don't want to be pushing. What's it called the Bristol stool chart? Yes. I wonder if it's to do with Bristol in the UK? No comment.

We can figure out. This is Trey Williams from dying fetus, by the way. We were just laughing and joking before the camera started. I was worried it was going to be no laughs and no laughs. jokes because we've just met for the first time. Immediately in on the Bristol stool chart. Does the stool chart, it's a drum podcast,

by the way, is there anything colour-wise on it? Or is that a separate? Brown. Just brown. I didn't know if they had like X-axis for hardness and Y-axis. I didn't know if the Bristol stool chart was, you know, landscape or is it just simply?

It's just a demonstration of different log structures. Nice. Like, you know, sometimes dense, Sometimes. Sometimes. Not so dense.

Touring is pretty fucking tough. Right. Sometimes you're like splash, splash, splash. I feel like what does it go up to, six? I think it's like one to five, one to six. One to six. I feel like I'm either on tour, I'm a one or a six. You know, dynamics.

What's your diet like? Just a poo podcast now. You know, try to eat what I call on the outside of the grocery store, which means I don't want to go into the aisles and eat the process stuff. Okay. So I want to eat, you know, a nice piece of meat, some vegetables, you know. things like that. Have you had catering today yet?

I did. It's fucking good. So was it at Rockville, too. It was great there also. It was glorious. We're here at Sonic Temple in Ohio. Where are you from? Maryland.

Baltimore. Fuck, it's something in the water in Maryland for freak musicians. I guess so. Probably stools. Yeah, fucking, yeah, maybe we need to worry about our water filtration. It's like a progressive technical dysentery that gives you a parasite. It makes you good at music. Are you having a good festival?

Just walked in, just had catering. Literally, and the next thing I did is I'm here with you. I haven't eaten today, but I've seen it because these guys eaten. I've just been doing these. Oh, you know, you're working. You're working hard. You got that initiative. Thanks.

I wish I was playing drums. You want to play for me? Every time. No fucking way. Oh, if you put the kicks on track, if you put the kicks on track and I can exclusively do hammer blasts with the right hand, then I could pull some of it off. All right, cool. Are you a doubles, man?

I do all of it. Doubles and singles? Doubles and singles. Do you like cap out at a certain speed? Yeah. Go on, give me it. This is just for the fucking nerds. One.

Yeah, if I have to play one beat, I'm done. No, I mean when you stop. Yeah, no, I know what you mean. Single strokes, I can get them in bursts up to like 240 or something like that. And then basically if I'm doing long runs of double kick, I'll jump into doubles. Yeah. And that's somewhere around like 220 and on and, uh, end up.

I see. I don't want to go past 260. Just in general? In general. I mean, I can, but I don't like to. Why? I think it just doesn't groove. I agree.

But I mean, my, and based out of my own fucking shortcomings in drumming, I think I'm like, yeah, I don't want it faster than like 210 because that's like as fast as I can fucking play. I mean, really, I mean, there's a certain point where it's like diminishing. returns on your double bass. And it just becomes a sine wave. And it lacks any of the thump. Especially with some technical death metal. What would you describe dying for your size?

A terrible band that is having a really good time at fooling everybody. Bullshit. No, no. Is it like John, right, you're at Christmas dinner? Death metal. Death metal, yeah. You know, that, you know, has influences in grindcore, hardcore, and death metal. Like, we're, and thrash.

We wear our inspirations on our sleeve. I feel like, especially in technical death metal, the speed is sometimes overbearing. The minute it hits like 300, I'm like, I can't, I can't be doing this. I just look at them and I'm like, wow, they're really doing it, man. Look at them go. Look at them go. Do you, your drumming sounds quite, I mean, I don't want to say unedited

because I know everyone edits in death metal. but like there's really an element of rawness in there. Do you, do you know, like, do you keep it loosey-goosey on the editing, or is it to the grid? There's always a little something that's going on. I mean, everybody's editing kicks. Yeah. Last time we recorded, I was made a suggestion to just use a trigger pad for the kick drums

because they're getting resampled anyway. Yeah. And you don't want that bleed into the other mics. I try to have my hands be as... good take as possible. Yeah. So I don't do one take-through. I'll do up to a certain point where it feels good to stop and try to get the best,

least edited performance possible and try to have it seem like a natural thing. And on the last two recordings, make them beg for death and are single into the cesspool. I think we were able to really accomplish that. I'm probably the most proud of my drum tones and drumming performance on those two. Do you have a say in the mix? We all do. Yeah. We all do.

Because you keep the hands like pretty. The snare is always like, I can't tell if there is a sample in there. We try to keep it as legit as possible. Sometimes it's like, oh, you've got a little sloppy there. So I guess it gets edited. I'm not in the room doing the editing. We let the people doing the editing do the editing. The grown-ups.

Yeah, the adults. The grown-ups fix my shit or not fix my shit. This is a drum podcast now officially. We're back. Drumsticks. We're back. The down beat. The drum beat.

How the fuck do I do doubles? How does one... Because I want to do it. Because as I just said, I top out at like 212. Mm-hmm. Specifically 212. I want to learn doubles so I can be a fast boy. Mm-hmm.

I want to be a fast boy. How do I start? What's your spring tension? And what pedals you use? DW-9s? Speed cobras. Yeah. Okay.

You can do it on speed cobras. What do I have to do? Crank the springs. Crank them. Crank them. Beater angle. You want a lot of beater angle. Really?

Yeah. Because what, I mean, think about it. You're not going to get to hit the drum another time as fast as it needs to be hit without the beater getting off the head. Yeah. Right. So you need to let that spring stretch as much as it can. That way, once it's against the head, it's already wanting to come off. It's wanting to come off.

And then you try to imitate, like that. Charlie Chaplin walk where he kind of like, you know, does this thing where he rolls his feet kind of like this. Okay. Right. And I don't, here, I'll just hold my foot up. I don't, I don't use my heel. I use like the arch of my foot. Okay.

And it really, it's like the ball, the foot and the toe. You drop your foot flat with the ball of your foot. Yeah. You kind of roll back a little bit onto the heel, although I don't, the heel doesn't hit the pedal. It actually sometimes hits the floor. But the heels are off the back of the pedal. Right. And then you reset by like picking your foot back up and your toe is the second hit.

And I've even heard like some other guys say like you almost want to feel like you're like a rock climber and you're digging your toes into the, you're like curling your toes into it sometimes. Okay. Into it on the return stroke. But really it's like bouncing a basketball. You got to get that kind of that bounce off of it. And it's cool because when you're like duck walking your blasts, you're split foot. And then you kind of just drop your heel. a little bit and then the double hit happens.

And that's how I figured it out by accident. I was playing live and I was getting these little gallops on my blast. I was like, oh, when you were doing just like... Yeah, I would get this gallop and I'd realize, okay, I was getting a little lazy with my ankles being high and my ankles were getting low. And then I would get this double hit.

And then I just went to the rehearsal room. The guys had written some insanely fast stuff. And I'm like, well, I had just toured with Origin. And I watched Longstrift, the master. He's a double master. go at it and was like, well, I got to figure this thing out. What year was that? Probably 2007.

So first tour. Yeah, I think it was kind of like my first, one of my first second or third U.S. tours. You weren't on, you joined 2007, but you weren't on War of Attrition. Not on War of Attrition. Descended depravity on. That's my time. And that is where some of the crazy. his feet started happening.

I was given a set of material I had to, written by guitar players. Oh, classic. Yeah. This will do. Yeah. And I had to figure it out. And by watching guys like John,

I was like, okay, that's my cheat code. What were you doing before, Fetus? I was in local bands around Baltimore, a band called Covenants, which is where I got noticed by Fetus. We opened for dying fetus across Canada and the U.S. And at the end of that tour, July 4th, 2007,

Sean, our base player calls me. America. America Day. America Day. I got called and asked to try out. So that's how I was playing in a band called Severed Head, which led me into Covenants, which led me into dying fetus. I love death metal so much. What a fucking sentence.

That sentence would kill a Victorian child. I was in Severed Head. So when you got that call and you did the audition, what was the audition like? Learn these three songs. I forget which one. but and come and meet the guys and out in John was living out in Denton, Maryland out on the eastern shore. And I drove my kid out there and played with everybody. And it was not so much to try out as it was more of like, is he capable of playing dying feet of stuff?

Yeah. Because they had watched me play. They had an idea of the kind of person I was. And it was more of just like, can he do it? And hi, I'm still here. It's fucking quite a while as well. What's that? It's almost 20 years.

Jesus Christ. It goes to say, though, doesn't it? They knew they could hang out with you. That's probably 50% of it. Oh, I mean, everything with bands and stuff. Like, you can have the most talented guy in the world. And if he's just intolerable to be around, you don't want to be with that guy. You had some insane drummers before you.

Was there anything that was, like, really difficult to pick up any songs? It's more being true to the material. Yeah. Not so much. stuff that was difficult because it was all difficult. Yeah. It was more of like playing Talley's parts as close to Talley as he can as I can. Playing Rob Belton, who played on Purification New Violence,

playing his stuff, playing Eric Sayangas and playing Dwayne Timlin's drum parts. Had they been through some dramas? And John, our guitar player, was the first drummer. Really? Yeah. Fucking Vival remains type beat. Yeah. That's insane.

So being true to the source material as best as I can. Yeah, Kevin Talley in particular had a really distinctive, I don't know what he's doing these days, but he had a really distinctive style back in the day. Very much, very much. Early 2000s relapse. Can I ask you a question? Hit me.

Dude, have you seen these bathrooms out here? Yeah. It was like somebody's living room. That's where I did my poo earlier. Yeah? Where did you poo? In my hotel? Pretty good.

Yeah. That's good, though, in there, isn't it? I was like, hey, man, can I come over your house and pee in your aloeira plant? It's really fucking. That's a nice bathroom. They've done it up like a movie set. It looks better than in here. We should have done it in there.

It's pretty sweet. Another question for you. Go, this is your podcast now. What's your favorite t-shirt that you have in your t-shirt collection? That's a great fucking question. I wonder where he's going with it. I don't know. Maybe I'm wearing it.

No, I'm wearing one of them. So I've got a Chaos AD. Sick. Which I'm wearing right now. My favorite one is I have a typo bloody kisses shirt. Nice. With all the heinous shit written on the back. Like typo negative is responsible for slay

The way coincident. And sometimes I forget I'm wearing it and I'm like in an airport. Right. Someone's like, I can see them looking at my shirt that says, typo negative is responsible for slavery. But I forget about it. I got a little airport story. It's not about me.

So we did an Australian tour with 200 stab wounds. Great band. Yes, terrific. Great guys. Great guys to hang out with. And one of the guys is wearing the Jesus is a cradle of filth shirt. And like four times people came up to him. were like, yo.

That's awesome. And then at very end, somebody stepped to him. Really? No fist of cuffs. But the guy was like, yo, I'm going to mess you up. That shirt uses the hard tea. It really does. And I get in trouble for saying that word on the podcast because the algorithm, it comes up as hate speech against women.

When actually it means friend where I'm from. Yeah. It can mean, if you do it with a hard tea, it can mean woman. It's about pronunciation. It is about pronunciation. Intentiation. Why did you have a friend? ask me that question. To tell me that story or do you have a favorite shirt? Oh, I have a favorite

shirt. It's a Mr. Bungle shirt. Fuck yeah, which one? It's a white shirt that has like a guy, it's like an old like old etching of a guy being sawn in half, being upside down. And then on the back, it has a note from a fan to Mike Patton saying how he should quit Mr. Bungle and just do faith no more because that's better. And you put it on a shirt? He did. That's awesome. And then I bought the shirt and I didn't realize there were things on the sleeves. On this side, there's a guy being impaled. Nice. But on this side, there's a guy sitting cross-legged jerking off.

It's a real photo of a guy just cranking. A photo? Yeah. Amazing what I can do with screens these days. So I wore it somewhere and they were like, hey, you know, there's a guy cranking on your arm. And I'm like, I'm like, what? On the fucking blast beat arm as well. Yeah.

Fuck me. I used to have a Mr. Bungle self-titled t-shirt, like the white one with the green on it, that he wears in that Faith No More video for the, it doesn't matter. That's a, that's a head. Whichever song that was. You want it all, but you can't have it. Oh yeah.

Epic, thank God. There we go. It stays, Simon. Not only did I lose it, but I, it was a small. I used to be a small t-shirt guy. You're not a small guy now. I know, I used to be. You did the one.

I fucking ate myself. Yeah, but that's why I'm not good at the drums anymore. Because I was like, I'm just going to go to the gym instead. Now look at me. Popping out my fucking t-shirt. capping out at 212. Hell yeah. Danny was actually the last person in that chair before you.

Danny Cradle of Filth. I'm desperate for an OG version of that T-shirt, but I don't know where I could. I live in Tennessee. I think I probably get shot if I wore it. When we did a tour with him, they were still selling it. Yeah, I want an old one.

I want it to be a crusty fucking. Got some motholes in it. Yeah, my typo one is absolutely fucked. He's a lovely guy though. You ever met him? Yeah, we shared some backstage rooms During the Chaos and Carnage Tour, we co-headlined with them. And it was a lot of fun.

Same stage today, I think. Yeah. The stage that you're on today is fucking packed with metal. It's awesome. And I hate it because then my friends have to, like, play better than me. And I have to play better than them. Yeah. And I hope I play halfway in between.

Do you get any nerves these days? Every once in a while. It's never like, I can't do it. Like I'm choking. It's more of like, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Let's go, let's go. You know, so, yeah, I still get a little something, something from time to time. You have a bad gig.

Yeah. Like real bad. You've had something really fuck up. It was actually in Ohio at the House of Blues in Cleveland. We were on tour with... Ciao out, Cleveland. She's from Cleveland. Oh, and I got another thing about Cleveland, too.

And we're playing with hate breed, and we're doing, your treachery will die with you. and I get into the song and then I forget the song. No way. And I'm like, what's next? Probably the last beat. And I knew,

I knew, and then I just knew what happened later in the song. So I just went there. And then I get the look from the guys, you know, over the shoulder of like, where are we? We pulled it back together.

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I'm not really, but I think it's a funny bit to turn it down and to tell people, no thanks, it's a feminine. Yeah. Every once in a while, I don't want to drink from a straw, and then, like, you pick up your cup and the straw's like,

it's kind of like, ugh. They are fucking awesome, those straws. Love a fucking good straw. Give me your Cleveland story. There was a venue called Peabodies in Cleveland. RIP, last band to ever play at Peabodies. RIP.

Played the last set at Peabodies. And watched people cry in the crowd because it was like their beginning of their like metal lives. And people were ripping. People were ripping bricks out of the walls and taking them home as souvenirs. That's kind of fucking. Literally the whole building got demolished at the next morning. Back to this stratospheric mistake that you made. Are you not on a click?

Raw dogging. No fucking way. You're not on a click live? Nope. That's blown my fucking mind. And you can hear it. If you watch video, you can see it. I thought it was programmed.

No. I thought you had a programmed click. I thought all the drums were programmed. No, I thought, damn, because you guys have maybe the most tempo changes in fucking modern extreme metal. Yeah, we jump around. But I assumed with it being so technical and the speeds being so precise that you would at least have like a program click. Well, you figured it out. All right.

I'm really a dancer. I have seven shows programmed. So they each have mistakes built into them. each night nobody knows that I'm doing the same mistake every night, but I just have to remember seven routines of dancing. So when I hit the symbol, the symbol sound happens. You don't give them ideas. People are already faking shit.

That's like a genius idea. Like program. Sometimes what did I see recently I saw, because there's a lot of show stops these days from people like passing out. I don't know if you see it much in like Death Metal, because everyone's cut from a stronger club. off, but like whenever I go and see like a more of a lighter chorusy

metal core band, fucking someone's passing out in the crowd every two seconds. Like, and I saw one recently and I didn't, I don't know because obviously if you're 34 bars into a backing track and someone

passes out and you've got to stop the show, normally the song's cancelled or you started the whole thing from the beginning. Right. I saw a band the other day do it. I'm not going to say who, but I didn't see, like, the actual problem in the crowd. Mm-hmm. And then they seamlessly came in on the chorus that was supposed to happen.

But there were tracks, so they were definitely on a click. And I don't know, I don't know enough about the ins and outs of that, if that's even fucking possible. And I remember thinking, was that a staged show stop? A little boo-boo? Well, we just like, we care about the crowd, so we're stopping the show. And then I'm looking around, I'm like, there's no one on the fucking ground. Like, was this for a viral moment?

Just put it out of that. It's not a question. Well, if it's viral, it'll go viral. It will go viral. How'd you feel about social media? Don't do it. Don't do it at all. No socials.

I tried MySpace. Epstein activity. And then Tom was like, I don't want to be your friend. Myspace was the last thing you were on. Yeah. Who the fuck am I collab posting this with? Well, I have a LinkedIn. What does it say?

What does it say? Yeah, Diane Fetus drummer. Open for work. Yeah. Dying Theatist drama? Part of it. That's part of my resume. What do you do off-taught?

I used to be in the audiovisual installation industry. Redskins, Ravens, Padres, Pardes, Packers, Bears, Phillies, Eagles, built sound systems for all those stadiums. Those are teams. Yeah. Football, baseball teams. Thank God. Universal Studios rides. U.S.

Capital systems, sound systems for those places. But I haven't done that since 2019. I worked at a music store about two, three years ago. But now it's just fetus full-time. Full-time theaters? What's your job? I'm a full-time theaters. I'm a grown-ass base.

Maybe man. Do you struggle telling strangers the name of your band? It's a lot easier these days. People are a lot. It's not as much of a shock. But back in the day when we would go to a restaurant and somebody be like, oh man, you guys in a band, I see y'all with your dangly passes and stuff. We're like, no. We're not in a barrel. Yeah, it's usually in the south. And we're like, no, no, no, we're not in a band. We're like, we see that bus in your van out there. We know what's up, you know? I just, how many accents did I just do right there? Sound like fucking Cleveland. from a family guy.

I can do a bang or a Cleveland for an English guy. You ready for this? Hey, Peter. Dude, I can close my eyes. Hey, Peter. I'm in family guy. I don't know if it counts as like black voice, though, so I don't do it often, but I can do it. Anyway, back.

Comment. But we lie about, we used to lie about what the name of the band was. So we would tell them we're the red steps. The red steps. And they were like, oh, wow, that sounds cool. A couple of red steps after a nine feeters, if you've... Yeah, yeah. Nicely done.

Leave it in. See, that's why your boy has a good kick drum sound because he knows how to stomp fake stamping on a baby, and this is the penance I get for it. Well, that's how you get good kick sound with a natural mic kick. You've got to actually put some muscle into it. I hate that question, but with dying fetus, you can't not ask that question. I think you said it's

These days it's not as bad Is that because there's more abhorrent names out there Or is it because people know dying phoias? Both. Yeah. People know the name And people aren't as freaked out by it anymore. It's like, oh, okay.

That sounds great. I think my niece would like that. Dying feats. Do you remember when they changed the spelling of the word fetus? I don't know if it was just the UK. Can I get a Google on this? Okay, we used to spell fetus there. How?

In the UK, up until X year, the one of my producers is going to find right now, it was spelled F-O-E-T-Fo-Tis. Yes. Which sounds quite a lot more, I don't know, exotic. Dying Foytus. We're dying foetus. Yeah.

We are dying foetus. Fucking Necrophages could change their name to dying foetis. You ever fuck with Necrophages, bashing a day? Oh, I shared a bus with them. Oh, God. It was great. Those guys were awesome, man. Muhammad.

Come back, Muhammad. Come back. Where is he? Because I've also toured with him. And I remember he did work for Mercedes, or Mercedes or BMW, one of those two. One of them, yeah. One of the Germans.

And there was a rumor going around the tour that he didn't, his parents didn't know that he was touring in a band and he just said he was on a work trip. So I don't know if he just went back to BMW. I don't know either. All I know is we were at a brutal assault one year probably, I mean, it's a while back now. And there he is.

Backstage at Brutal Assault. Out and about. Out and about. Just hanging out at Brutal Assault. And I just, I asked him, A, how are you doing? But then I just said, do you even play your guitar? What do he say? No.

That is like, it's such a fucking tragedy. I'm sure he does, but like, probably not in any serious way. I can't. I kind of respect it. Because, like, he, for me, in particular, in XVage, especially technical death metal, are the goats. And those two records is just like unbelievable. He was untouchable.

And then to just be like, eh, kind of respect it. Cloud on top. So on top. I still absolutely fuck with both those albums. Do you think the public's knowledge of the name Dowing Fetus has anything to do with South Park?

A little bit. How did that happen? Just got told by our management that we were one of the bands in the running to possibly be in the show and told you'll find out when it airs. And I was very happy. Wow. It was just, it was just, okay, you're going to find out. You'll find out.

Do you know who any of the other bands were? No. I'd love to know. No. We're at the very beginning of it when the boys are practicing in the barn. And then there's another band, which is a French band that I cannot remember their name right now. I'm sorry. Gojira.

I can't remember their name, Godzilla or something. Do you get money from that? I don't think so, no. What song was it? Second skin. No money. That's funny because... It's paid off.

It's paid off. Okay. Because it reminds me of the like... I was going to say Gen Z, but it's not. It's the millennial version of when Cannibal Corps were on Ace Ventura. Right. Which is my introduction to death metal. Like, my ears were like, I don't like this.

And my eyes and brain were like, this is awesome. Yeah, it looked really cool. Yeah, I'm going to fucking get. Have you seen the deleted scene where he's actually on stage with the band? I think so, yeah. It's fucking awesome. How did you get into metal? I had some family back in D.C. that owned nightclubs, one called the fifth column in D.C.

And they were always into like, they knew all the people at IMP productions, which is like the 930 club in D.C. And so they would get me into shows all the time. And they would introduce me to music. and I had a cousin that introduced me to Mr. Bungle when Faith No More started popping off. I was kind of into rap at first and then like right around that time when Appetite for Destruction came out by Guns and Roses,

like all the old are you? I'm 47. You look good. But still, I'll keep you around. Appetite for destruction, isn't that like fucking 91? I think, yeah, it's in early 90s, yeah. So you were young. Yeah, sorry to interject.

That was like elementary, elementary school. Damn. And like all the kids that were into metal switched into rap, because that's when, like, you know, NWA started popping off and stuff like that. And then, like, I went the other way. I went, I went into metal and stuff like that. So, you know, Faith No More really is kind of one of the bands that caught me into metal.

Because it was like they were like that bridge gap band where they had like elements of that kind of stuff. And then it was just all downhill from there. Oh, downhill. how. Give me the, let me get rid of this. If you're just listening

to the audio, yeah, I pretend to stamp on a fetus to make a joke about red steps being the blood, and I spilt a bunch of fucking drinks.

So how downhill did it go from Faith No More? Because you're in a band called Dying Fetis and you play 260 PPP. So where's the line? From Faith No More, where did you listen and go?

Oh, you know, into Metallica and to Anthrax, things like that. I had a friend that brought a bunch of tapes, because tapes were a thing then. And he brought like Slayer and Guar and Deaside. And we listened to all that stuff.

And Angel of Death with Slayer came on and I was like, no, bad. I don't like this. Too scary. No, it had the scream like that scream at the beginning. And I didn't like. Sounds like saxophone. I didn't like hair metal. Yeah.

Little did I know. If you just let that song go, it gets really cool. and then like listen to Guar and and Guar kind of reminded me of Faith No more because Brockie's vocals are kind of all over the place and weird and and uh dynamic which of course then he's singing too so I shouldn't have liked that also yeah but it looks death metal yeah it looks crazy and uh and then deicide played and I was like oh this is the evil stuff yeah and my little brain wasn't able to handle it then and then I kept listening to heavier and heavier stuff,

graduate into, you know, Fear Factory in Pantera and things like that. And then by the time high school rolls around, you know, I'm really diving into death metal bands like Sinister and Morbent Angel and all those bands Cannibal. And then just kind of just cascades from there.

When did drums get involved? My junior year of high school had, I was a bass player at first. I wanted to play drums the whole time. Mom and dad wouldn't let me. Too loud. Yeah. Mom and dad were stressed out from work and they didn't want to hear it.

And then my drummer from a band in high school left and I borrowed his drum set. Or his parents said I stole it. Really? But I didn't. I did wonder why you look directly down the lens. John Fitch, thank you for let me borrow your drum set. Here we fucking are. And yeah, then I learned how to play drums playing along the helmet.

Playing along the helmet. That's a good one for some drum stuff. And then you got remarkably faster. Who inspired your drumming early on? I'm not, I don't have heroes. The instrument itself, the style of music itself is what I am into. I'd look at people like they're people. I don't look at them like they're anything special.

Interesting. I'm just like you, you're just like me. We just have different jobs. And you might be better at your job or I might be better at my job. But everybody's people. Nice. So you get this kit. You're not looking to anyone for inspiration.

No. Where the fuck does all the blast beats and stuff come from then? You're emulating the styles of music that I like and being with guys that were like, hey, let's take, make some of our own music. I didn't grow up really playing other people's music either besides like playing helmet songs. I mean, everybody gets started.

You get started by playing along with somebody else's stuff. But I didn't get lessons. Me and the guys in my old high school band tortured. we just got together and started creating our own music and incorporating the things that inspired us into our own music. No lessons, no click. No talent, just sweat. Bullshit.

So what are your practice sessions look like? Don't you dare say it? If you're about to say I don't really practice, I'm leaving. I play every day, basically. I need to know. Do you get as nerdy as you want? I don't have a set, like, routine of things that I do besides like a, warm up where I'll do like a split drill where I do eighth notes on the hands.

Well, eight notes on the hands and 16th on the feet. Yeah. And then flip that and do the 16th on the hands and the eights. Basically split foot blast. Split flip, blit, blip, blip. And sometimes my kick drums do that. They go blip, blip, blip, because, you know, you're flamming. Yeah. So I'll do that.

And then I, but I'll, on the, on the eighth note. Tom, on the eighth notes, I'll go down the tombs. Down the tom's. And then blast on the right side and then go up the tombs and then blast on the high hat side. And when I do the descending and the ascending on the tom's, it's double time on the feet. So this is you actually do a lot in your playing as well. Do you, so this isn't on like a pad. So it will be...

I'll do it on a pad and I'll do it on the kit too. You do on the kit. So the 16 note hands become the blast beat and the eighth note hands become the fill with the kicks happening. What tempo, if you're warming up, what tempo? Drum podcast, what tempo do you start this at? 200. Start at 200.

There's no pre-warm up to that. Well, if you want to play fast, I mean, that's slow. Get fucked. No, it's not. That's so fast. That's at the top for me. Oh, okay. I know.

I suck. I suck. No, you don't. I tried so... Look, we're all good at different things. I tried so hard to be fast. And then when I got into a band that wasn't as fast as much. my death metal band.

I was like, well, this is so much more less work to do. So I'm going to continue doing this. What happened? Didn't get fast.

Now I don't have a band and I'm like, I want to be in a fast band. But I can't do it. Remember the dance routine I was talking about? Yeah, I could do that. You got to start dancing.

Do you know what? I actually did get offered something and it was like a band I just couldn't do the kicks for and I told him. I was like, I'm not going to be funny. Like I'd like to do this,

but I don't think I can play those kicks. And the band literally not going to tell you, it is. We're just like, yeah, we could just stick the hard bits on track. But it was like as if it was just the most normal thing in the world. I would die. You know, sometimes, you know, we were talking about like speed and stuff earlier. Sometimes like a triplet feel kick pattern like, bug-da-d-d-da-d-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-dda. It sounds to me heavier than like just ripping in four in the next, in the next subdivision up, right. Look, who knows his talk? I've

struggle with my words. know how to play the drums, I just can't play them fast. Yeah, I know what you mean, especially like, mentioning Morbid Angel earlier, like, obviously there's a very fast bit in Mord Angels, but sometimes when the kicks are, quote, unquote, slow, kind of sick. Yeah. Triplets I can do. I could probably do, like, I guess at that speed, is, is it, it's an eighth note triplet,

to like, 230, 230, 240. But you know what it's like? The guitarist always like, okay, then we'll go straight there. And I'm like, actually, I'm going to leave. It's like, I can't do that. You want to bump it up? I'm not fucking doing it. I got an appointment with my, uh, something.

Something else. I just check my LinkedIn. Time for me to fucking leave right now. I got a job offer at the crayon factor. Please. I'm got, they asked me to taste test them. Yeah, that's me. What sticks you blame?

What size? I want to know. I'm getting into your brain now. Vic, Firth, 5Bs, jump between nylon and wood. Tips. Nylon! I like right now nylons. I never have a problem with them breaking.

Really? That's that good Vic Firth. I also hit like a pussy. So... You don't. Yeah, 5Bs. And if you are on the roster, you can order them by weight. I do the same thing.

So I get them in like a medium weight that way. Like they're a consistency. I've been really debating on like switching up and getting to the big boy sticks, like a 2B. 2B. I play a rock. They bounce better for blasts and stuff like that. I just get worried about moving around the kit. Can I throw one into the ring that I've recently switched to?

So I played rocks. I played five Bs, normal five Bs forever. And then I switched to the rocks because I liked how much louder they were. But now I'm trying to go fast again. I am on a mission to go fast again. And I was like, the rocks kind of for me, maybe just slightly too heavy for how hard I play and how fast I want to play.

Switch to an HD9. Okay. Ever seen them? Do you know? No. Okay. HD9, I couldn't believe it. So it's exactly the same length, I think, could be wrong.

The same length as a 5B. Because the rocks were a little bit longer. And I actually play, I play really far down the back of the stick. And I like the fact that sometimes when I'm playing with a 5B, I'm like that. Oh, okay. So the HD-9 is the same length, but it's got more of a taper, a barrel tip,

and it's just slightly thinner than a 2B. Okay. Game changer. Interesting. The minute I picked them up, I was like, holy shit, I can do all of my, like, rudiment, six-stroke roll stuff. My double stuff is way, way faster and nicer, but I've still got, because it's thick, I've still got, like, the smack on it.

And it's got a taper, so it bends with you and it, and it transfers that energy really good. It used to be called the SD9. Oh. And I was like, on paper, I'd speak to Eric Gross at Big Furf, shout out, Eric. I was like, on paper, this SD9 looks like it's perfect. And he was like, we make an HD9. I don't know if it's a secret menu or whatever, but it's hickory. Oh, okay.

All right. And I get the heavy sticks, and they never fucking break. Nice. Are you bored yet? Anyone? No, if you're this far in, you're a drum person. You guys probably bought it. Look at Madison.

Drums, she gets to hear about it all day. How long were you on the Vic Froster? My first endorsement ever. Yeah. 2009 to now. Okay. Still on it. Nice.

Okay. You? Around, around, I think, well, maybe 2010. 2010 is probably one. But Vic Firth, bring back the Pepper Mills. I know. I want him so bad. Dude.

I want one too. So Vic, come on. Bring back the pepper mills, please. There must be. I even asked last time I was there, or I was at Zildren, so obviously they didn't have them there. But I was like, can I have one? And they were like, we don't have any. We don't do it anymore.

Make them again. I think it was Vic that was just making it because he liked them for cooking. Yeah. What a flex that would be. Like a real big one, like in a restaurant, but Vic Firf Brandy. Yeah. That'd be cool. What symbols you play?

Sabian. Sabian and Vic? Mm-hmm. Pearl drums. Pearl drums. Japanese. See, we can't even talk about this. I mean, we can.

I'm a Tamer Zildjan, Vic. That's fine. Everybody makes good stuff. In fact, actually, we've both got the Japanese drum companies. Sabian and Zilden are related. They're the only two, people don't know this. They're the only two people, I think, in the world that know what that alloy is. Right.

She's pretty fucking sick. Yeah. And Sabian's out of Canada. And they took the master laters, I think, when the split happened. All I know is the guy that owns Sabians. Sabian is called someone Zildjan. Yeah. Which is kind of fucking funny.

Yeah. Have you always been with those companies? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Whenever John Longstruths hooked me up with Pearl and Steve, former drummer for Into Eternity hooked me up with Sabian and Jerry Lynch, who works at S, not at, works at Heil microphones, used to have the DB drum shoes. Is that the same guy?

Yeah. Jerry. And I still play DB drum shoes, although they are out of production. and they are dying. They're dying on me. And Axis pedals. Thank you, Zed at Axis. I've got a funny story about Zed.

It'll hate this. This is funny. Yes. So I know Zed and like when I was talking on the podcast about this fast mission that I'm on. And he was like, if you ever need some access, we can,

you know, we can look into it. And I, it never happened in the end because I was still touring with Stray and I can't play that sort of stuff on a pedal that I'm going to set.

up to try and play really, really fast. And I can't remember what happened. I posted like a workout video. This is fucking funny. This has got on the podcast. I posted like a workout video because I'm one of those guys. It was just like on my fucking Instagram. I like to keep track of what I'm doing.

And he DM me some like advice about my form. Okay. Right. And this was like a period of my life. Maybe it's 2023. I was fucking jacked in 2023. Haters will say it wasn't natural. but I was fucking jacked.

And he, so maybe there's a potential that my brain wasn't thinking correctly. And he messaged me like some form advice for that fucking CEO of Axis percussion. And it was like, you should go slower or whatever, probably quite decent advice. And I replied and I said, show me your body and we'll talk. And he sent me like a, he was like, what do you mean? And I didn't reply. And then he sent me like a flexing photo. The guy was pretty fucking jacked.

Like, it happened so long ago, and then I just remembered it right now. But it was so funny because he didn't know what he meant. And I was just being, like, pointlessly aggressive. Show me your body. And then I'll listen to your advice. And then he sent me a phone. I was like, yeah, he pretty fucking good. But it was like a year later.

Madison, did you see that text when he was like, show me your body? Oh, because, man, you might have gotten jelly there. I can pull it up. And then just like, oh, what are you doing? What are you doing? Talking to these guys. Talking to dudes online But I still do want those pedals

And you look very jacked So thanks for that How do you guys write a song these days? We're actually writing right now There's like eight songs written John likes to work with somebody Who knows Pro Tools well And like sits down and like

purges his brain of riffs Into the machine And then arranges things And then we get kind of sent Not kind of, we get sent You know the rough things with some you know, basic drums just to give inspiration. Lately on this go-round, he, you know, trying to come up with, at least not vocal

patterns, but just like, here's where the vocals are going to be. He'll, like, bark stuff that he remembers from Tori's like, he's like, Sean likes wine, you know, and like, just the rhythm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and just like does stuff like that. And then we get sent the stuff and, you know, we go, okay, you know, hey, this is cool, this isn't cool. You know, we all kind of have a say. and like where like the arrangements goes because you never know like you don't know it's done until like you've finished recording and you've sent everything in so everything's kind of malleable and I'll get the drum the ability to write my drum parts and I write every try to write everything out in middy ahead of time that way when I'm dancing later I know all the steps perfect yeah and try to recreate the stuff as best as possible in the studio I know how to write in midi and my voice on drums or

already. And sometimes I use an e-kit to kind of like play along to songs and try to come up with a more natural way of doing the stuff. But that's the way the last two albums have come together. Do you ever get any kickback for your parts that you write? Are you pretty much given free reign? Oh, no. I mean, everybody is subject to like, hey.

A beating. Sorry. It's too fucking easy. Nice to do. Nice to you. Thank you. You know, everything. We actually have what's when the trend ends off.

of off of a make them beg for death there's a there's a section that like I wrote a more I want to say kind of gentie-ish drum part

yeah in there and it just didn't it wasn't us would you have ghost nights trying to do some stuff like that and that's just not really our deal and then we actually did drums last

I also do that hell yeah love that it. Yeah. Continue. Sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Because like we, we have most of the song written. A lot of the guys were going to re-amp the stuff anyway sometimes. And then we listen through and make maybe we need to add a fill here. Yeah. And we actually completely rearranged a song on the last album, raised in victory, raised in defeat.

That was a completely rearranged song. We took parts out and then repeated parts. So then to come back in later, if like we hadn't done that and done drums last, you're not going to get like that unique feel for the second time around. Yeah. That you come into something. And also if you end up, you do drums first and you tread all over a vocal line and no one really notices it until the last minute, you're fucked. Because it's real, we're playing real drums. Yeah. We're playing real fucking drums here. So you record to a click, though, I'm assuming. So then your practice would also be to a click. Yes. I practice to a click also.

Do you have a click to reference when you go on stage? You? Or do you just raw dog that tempo to start a song? I've used that technique at times. Right now, I'm not. You're not doing it. Do you ever watch a video back and be like, wow, I'm like 15 BPM faster? Or are you a freak? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do review. Me too. Big reviewer. Yeah. The last time I ever played without a click was when I was doing festival press like this. People are like this into the podcast. You've told the story fucking millions of time.

We're hanging out. The press guy was like, you played the songs really fast today. Like a Euro press guy. And I was like, oh, yeah, cool, like live energy. And he was like, no, it wasn't good. And then I watched it back. I was like, wow, he was right.

Was it German? He was actually French, but, you know, cross the border. And then ever since then, I'm meticulously programmed out a thing so I can practice to our tempo changes and stuff. And I personally love it, but respect to you for not doing that. You guys don't jam in a room.

It's all computer... We do. We get together like before... We all live in different states now. We used to jam a lot more in the past. And now we just get together three, like two weeks before. Four or four jams. You're expected to be rehearsed on your own.

Yeah, that's the way to do it. But for writing, at least, it's a back and forth technology thing. Yeah, yeah. It's like homework projects. You mentioned using MIDI and knowing how to, programming your own voice in MIDI. Do you think that's important for people to know how to do? Yeah.

I mean, is it required skill set? No. I think it's an important thing to know how to do. That way, if you do get asked to write your stuff out ahead of time, you're writing in your voice. You know, you're writing in the way you would play. You're not just carpet rolling 32nd note Tom fills everywhere. Three crashes at once. Right.

And how am I going to fucking do that? I find it really helps when I'm weirdly, I used to get this thing. I recently found that as an actual thing called Tetris Brain, which is when you played Tetris too much that you started seeing it in everyday life. So when I practice to my MIDI, I would start being able to visualize what I would be reading when I was writing it. And it made me like play better. I don't know if it's taking my mind off of what I'm actually physically doing.

Or my brain is like, it's almost like reading the world. Like, I fucking love it. That's sight reading. Yeah, but just little dots instead. What software do you use for that? I was using Cubase. What's the plugin? Give me the plugin.

Oh, it's like easy drummer. Have I got a plugin for you? Is it? GGD, the downbeat. Oh, get good drums? Yeah. The downbeat? The downbeat.

Nice. Although, how many times are you programming? Oh, four. Yeah, I can't help you. I can give you three. I'll give you a code. You get some nice bell brass on there. I'm sure.

I could like pitch shift one. You could. I saw you out. I got it. It's really great. It's available at ggd.com. Yes. They've already had an ad for neural DSP.

Fucking let's go. You got tour coming up? Yes. September, October, this year, 2026. What is it? All the US and I think it's like six weeks long. It is dying fetus co-headlining with Sangua Sugabag. Great already.

With Crowbar helping us out. Insane. And then, um, Some other lovely young bands that are looking to increase their presence in the world. It must be like especially you're saying you're like, you know, starting playing the drums to helmet. Playing after crowbar has got to feel kind of weird. I was watching those Pantera home videos and watching like watching a Kirk like run around with those guys and stuff like that. Yeah, dude, they're a classic band, like truly a heavy band.

I love the resurgence they're having because of TikTok or what. whatever. I don't know. I can't figure out what it is. The closest I've found to figure it out is there was a meme about fat dogs. And it had crowbar on it and that meme got massive and then everyone got into crowbar. All I had I gave. And it's just like three fat dogs. It's just a picture. It's not even a video. I feel like dying fetus is due one of those like the TikTok glow up when someone just puts. Hey man. It'll happen naturally, you know. Kill your mother, rape your dog or something. Just fucking. Right.

Pop it up on there. That'd be cool. I mean, hey, it takes the, it's going to happen natural. You know, can't force it. If Sal Park episode came out now, it would be fucking done. What are you traveling in for six weeks? We're doing one of these Yoda coaches. What's that?

So, you know, the bandwagon. We were talking earlier about, yeah. So there's a competitor now. It's called Yoda. Is it good? About to find out. What are you in on this run? We're just flying in.

And you can play fine? Well, me and my tour manager, Reese, we drove the gear. So we got into, rented a Ford F-250 Super Duty. Hell yeah, brother. And we got the U-Haul trailer, loaded it up, ate a bunch of beef jerky. Nice, yeah. That's the shit I do, know. And we powered through and made it here last night.

I can't play the drums after I've been on a flight, and I can't figure out what it is. Like, I can, but I'm always shit. It doesn't matter how short the flight is. I've got theory. What's that? that it's the pressure in my head making me off balance. I'm also neurotic if you haven't. Okay.

If you haven't figured out. I didn't know. But I can't do it. You hide it well. Flight, thank you. I'll break down in a minute when you're gone. Yeah, when it's, when it's a flying, I just can't do it. I love a bandwagon.

I love it. But do you drink? Yeah. So, yeah, I've found everyone I used to talk with hated bandwagons, but I was the only one that drunk. So what I've realized is you just need to make sure you go to bed late enough. and drunk enough that you're drunk and asleep

for the bumps and then it's morning and it's parked for your full eight hours when you really get the good dreams when you really need that shit I dream of fights every time

I'm on a bad bumpy road really? Yeah with who the driver? No just random stuff I dream of them I'm gonna fight and sometimes I'll throw a punch

and it lands yeah hit the wall wow oh no no you throw a punch in your sleep I might sleep. Every time I've ever had a dream about fighting, I've been unable to throw punches. You feel like you're in molasses.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And then I get the one, I get the dreams all the time where I'm about to go on stage and my in-ears don't work. Or I don't know the song or any of those things. I think that there was one time I did a podcast episode that was like a manifestation of that dream. I can't remember what it was or who it was because hopefully I styled it off. But it was like, I didn't know enough about the band. or the person or care.

And that was the last episode where I was like, I'm not doing that again. I need to know and like the band or us. I'm not doing it. Because the whole time it was like I was there with no in ears and I didn't know my songs. Aggressively horrible time. It's good to be prepared.

Quick fire. First album you ever bought. Anthrax, attack of the killer bees, the B-side album. The B-side with the, did I have the Run the MC song on it? I also had that. Cool album.

I remember the, that and I picked it up at the same time. I also actually had the run-de-MC song on single, CD single, and it was like a gold disc. Cool. I'd never seen that before or since, both sides. Nice. Okay, dream gig to fill in for.

Helmet. I'd love to play a long helmet. Nightmare gig to fill in for. Oh, any jazz. Anything jazz. You got no swing on you? Dude, I know how to do one thing, and that's play death metal. Really?

I can't play anything else. I can jazz. I did a, what do you call it in America when you did a semester? Is that like a part of a... You did some studying. Yeah, I did one of my majors. I majored in jazz for one semester. Oh, cool, dude.

None of those words mean anything to me. But I know it is actually what happened. Yeah. Favorite drum beat of all time? A bomb blast. Fuck, yeah. Madison, what's a bomb blast? Okay, so there's a hammer, there's a bomb, and there's a European blast?

Euro, yeah. Nice. Is it above us that use the feet? Yeah. And hands. Yeah, but so the feet, I mean, we'll take that. We'll take that. Good job.

She, you know, we taught her on a previous episode. The feet are twice the speed of the hands. But she can now identify it when we're listening to death metal, which is often. And I go, what kind of blast is that? She'll go, Euro? I'm like, fuck, yes. Good girl. Fucking good girl.

Favorite drum mix of all time? Drum mix. Yeah. Ooh, far beyond driven? Ooh, nice. Yeah. Do you ever listen to the band Decapitated? Dude.

Unless you're about to say no. Who's that? But like, you know, what I loved was nihility. It's just the far beyond driven mix, but death metal. Sick. So fucking sick. They're back. The last album was fucking banging as well.

Yeah. Shout out James, who's a fucking Redding boy as well. He's a good drummer. It's from where I'm from back in the UK. Just suddenly, randomly was just in local bands. A bit like you, actually, randomly in local bands and then suddenly he's intercapitated. Love that band. It's probably a top three for me, death matter.

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And they didn't have any of, it was very early on and they didn't have any of the tents or anything like that. There's piles of kegs. And I was pouring beers and they were like, you poured it wrong. And I'm like, why? And there's no head. Oh, yeah. No head on the beer.

And I'm like, but it's all beer. Was it, Jupiter at Brut. I think it is. And they want it like this. You're just pouring all the staff beers. Yeah. A couple for yourself. Oh, that, you know, that was the strategy.

It's like, yo, if I'm here. I'm getting beer. Free bar over there, you know that? Yeah, it was. Oh, here. Right across there. Well, I'll be there once I'm done with my work. Trey Williams, Dian Fetus, catch Dine Fetus on tour.

Check out Dine Fitas if you don't know Dine Fitas. Just the fucking best. Thank you, Roy. Thank you, Craig. Beautiful. Run the cameras again so he can be nice to me. I was going to thank you for what you've been doing for providing an outlet for people to be able to speak about metal community and things like that. and thank you for doing what you're doing

and you started it as a drum podcast and metal drumming in general has been getting a lot more recognition and it's due to people like you and due to other people in the past like sick drummer and things like that. Seagromel magazine, my first interview ever. Right, me too.

Fuck it. One of mine too. And like I was mentioned with necrophagist and Marco Miniman coming in and playing and actually getting people to respect metal drumming. And you know, and then you had guys like, Derek Roddy and so on and so on and so on and Longstrith and Collies.

But people like you that go and then allow us to have a voice to go and talk about this stuff is very appreciated. Thank you so much for doing stuff like this. I really, really appreciate that. And also for the record, the reason that came in so crazy is he said all this off camera, then we started talking about Marco Minimmon and then we were like, we probably should put the cameras on. So I think it was sincere.

I truly appreciate that. And, you know, you are one of those names that you just mentioned. You just didn't mention yourself. Thank you. But can we just talk on a tangent about how crazy it was when Marco joined Necrophages? Very cool. So insane. No triggers.

No triggers. Guy came in and fucking raw dog that. Yeah. Now every kid that's like 12 from China is as good as Marco Minimum. Now I have to work harder because these kids are learning all the stuff. It's sick. And they're getting so good, so fast. and so fast, so quick.

Yeah. And it's like, ah, slow down. I know. Like, we got bands, like, you know, disembodied tyrant. Yeah. And the young Death Corps bands that are doing the things that the older death metal dudes are doing and they're taking it, you know, and they're just hyper driving it. It's insane.

I don't know where the ceiling is. Like, especially now doubles are coming to it. Like, the speed ceiling will just be sine wave. We'll get a band that comes out. It's just, you could join Dying Theos. Do you ever hear that back, speaking of the time wave, do you remember that band back in the day called The Berserca? Oh, yeah. Australian guys.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking unreal, like, gabber, grind. Yeah. I think there was relapse? Classic old relapse. Relapse is coming back. Relapse is going to have a resurgence. They never went away.

Yeah, but now they're like, I saw, do you ever fuck were burnt by the sun back in the day? Oh, yeah. Dave Whitty. Unreal. There's one of, actually, probably the one guy I did. do look look up to. So fucking good. Yeah.

Like I remember the first time I heard Dracula with glasses off soundtrack to the personal revolution. And I was just like, whoa. Human remains. Check that one out. Human remains. Burned by the sun. And it?

What? Discordance axis. East West Blast test. East West Blast test. Then municipal waste. I like chewed his fucking ear off. We played a show with municipal waste like years ago now. And I was just like sweating him hard about all those bands.

And he was like, wow, no one ever asked me about that anymore. And I was like, you don't understand it. You're a fucking legend. Shout out Dave Whitty. Get on this fucking podcast. Tell me about your beer or is it vegan? Does vegan thing now? I don't know.

He also still rips in municipal ways. Anyway, now is the end. Simon, this is the end. Thank you again, mate. Thank you. Bye.