The Downbeat - Eddy Thrower - Busted/Lower Than Atlantis

Episode Date: December 27, 2019

My guest this week is Eddy Thrower, a session drummer from the UK who currently plays with Busted, and was formerly a member of Lower Than Atlantis. Eddy has had his fair share of session work as well but has now found himself a home in the online education world with his website and hugely popular instagram account. One of the 'real' ones, he's a great sport and we share a lot of the same views on social media and 'performance' in general. We talk about finding your space in the online drumming world, the good old days of touring in vans and plenty more...

What the Frigg is up, my little grustlies, my little grustlers. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays if you don't celebrate Christmas. Or just like, how are you doing if you don't even do anything at this time of year? I've been on tour for like 70 days, stray US tour, stray UK-Europe tour, made avail session. I'm that good. tired and beat up. I've just been to my chiropractor, so we're getting better. I'm nursing myself

back to health and I've got 10 days off and then I go to Australia. Straight from the path, Kubla Khan, Australia tour. The dates are at internalatomics.com. Thanks to everyone that came to a show. Thanks to everyone that wears downbeat merch to the show. I hope you all got a stick or a set list or whatever I can give you at the end of the show because you really do make my day when I say. see that shit when I'm looking down at the front row and I can see my dog on a stupid t-shirt that I've designed. I'm not going to try and plug any t-shirts, but you know, if you want one, go and get one. My guest today, before I do that, trying to do loads of podcasting now because obviously I've been away so it's been difficult, but I've got a backlog of people.

I'm going to get loads out, going to try and get more regular. Make sure you've pressed a because a lot of people when I post a new episode, you're like, oh, it's not in my thing. And for some reason, it's because you haven't subscribed. So you can't like it that much. So fuck you. My guest this week is Eddie Thrower, who currently plays for Busted. If you don't know who Busted are, they wrote the year 3,000 for the Jonas Brothers. So you could say they're the biggest band in the world.

They're a UK band. Eddie currently plays drums for them. He used to play for Lower Than Atlantis. He's done session stuff for like one direction, shit like that. And more recently he's got his own website, edithrower.co, where it's like an online hub for drum lessons, you know, like a really cool style. It's real cheap, $9.99 a month. He like, he'll show you the chops that no one else wants to show you. you know, like a simple sticking that everyone plays at lightning speed

and then says, oh, I don't, I didn't, I don't know what he played. When really they fucking knew what they played. He'll show you that shit. He's a great guy. He's very funny. We both like The Office, so it's quite a lot of us both talking like David Brent. Yeah. Eddie Frower on the Downbeat podcast.

Hello, Eddie. What's going on? Big Papa Eddie. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. We're allowed to say that. I'm doing loads of recording over this little period, but yours is going to come up first

so we can say that. On the other ones, I'm going to have to pretend it's not Christmas so I can drip feed them later on. How was your Christmas? First Christmas with child. Oh, mate, it's, it was amazing and it was the first Christmas where I just did, fuck all. Do you know, are we allowed to swear on this or not? Yeah, absolutely, mate. You could say every word, including the C word.

Oh, really? really? Yeah, my mum hates it, but other than that, it's fine. Yeah, mate, it was wicked, man, it was good, it was just chilled out. Like, it was the first year we did literally nothing. Like, every other Christmas is one of those ones where you travel around and you have like four Christmas dinners in one day because you're going to see this person and that person.

And it was wicked to just chill out this year, mate. I think I've gained about 15 stone though. So... Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah, how was yours? I, mate, I went straight from 70 days on tour. into my Mrs's family round for Christmas Eve

I got back on the 23rd but I hadn't slept because of the flight and then I've been away since October 8th I think and then I went immediately into like just having loads of people around our house and I'll be honest it fucked with me

just that it's always like coming home in general is like real bad for me like getting used to it again and like realizing I'm not on tour but then to have it thrown thrown into Christmas was fucking rough I know I know I always find that as well

mate like when you come home tour you're like what is real life and it hits you all of a sudden you're like oh fuck I've got to have normal conversation with people mate yeah like going to the post office or something like that and you've got to like be an upstanding citizen instead of just being like well i've got out my bunk at two o'clock i'm gonna load in uh you know i'll play a show and then i'll probably go and get drunk yeah exactly just dick about the whole time and all and all you say is in jokes that no one else understands so when you come home from when you come home from tour everyone's like who the who is this guy oh hey honestly every time i'll come and

with like some new sentence that I've learned or it's become a joke on the tour and then everyone's like what is that that's not funny and then that just makes it worse like oh you don't get it exactly the isolation man I swear you were away for like 15 years this is like the longest tour ever isn't it it was a US tour and then we had four days off but in the middle of that we did made avail so it wasn't really any days off yeah and then straight to UK Europe how was it again the Yeah, it was amazing, right? Just the most successful Australia tour ever. Amazing.

Which was wicked. But the US was in a van. So it was six weeks in a van, which fucks me mentally. So I was like, I just can't wait to come home. And then I got home. And then we went UK Europe on a bus. And then I was like, I don't want to go home. When you get a, when you know what it's like, when you get a bus,

it's then touring is like what everyone imagine. it to be like not every night not like coke and strippers and shit but like as in like oh it must be amazing you just wake up and you fucking do whatever you want and it is like that in a bus but in a van it's not in a van it's 24 hours of work every day yeah mate i know it's brutal mate do you drive yourself as well do you take shifts in america we do yeah but i don't because no one trusts me because we drive on the wrong side of the road don't we so you get out of that one yeah mate, it's pretty sick, to be honest. Oh, yeah, exactly.

But I think... I can't even remember what I was going to say. My brain's still completely... Just tour bus shit. I mean, I love touring on a tour bus. Like, I don't know. Like, the last year, I haven't really... We haven't really been on one.

Like, we've busted. It's hotels. And then there was a few festivals where we did a bus. And I was like, oh, mate, I love this. I fucking love this. Just waking up with everyone. I just having a laugh constantly.

Isn't it? Break? What are we going to do for? breakfast and then someone finds a good coffee and then you're like well it's point eight and some people can't be asked and the people that can be asked go yeah there's a little bonding on the way to the coffee shop man a little bit of bonding at the coffee shop yeah yeah it's fucking it's fucking it's fucking touring however no literally put me in the fucking bin fuck that but you've got to do it yeah no you have mate mate the amount of tours we did back in the day in like the old royal mail vans

you know that you know the ones um yeah oh buy it off ebay mate yeah jeezer the amount of fucking haggard stories we've got and the amount of funny stories we've got as well and looking back like it is funny it is funny and like you'd never be in that situation if you weren't in a band, do you know what I mean? Like touring around in a van with all your mates and to be honest mate I learned so much about

just life in general from doing that do you know what I mean and just how to be around people and learn how to navigate your way around somewhere and but I learned so much being in advance. So I don't regret any of it. I fucking, looking back,

it was wonderful, but I wouldn't do it now. Yeah, yeah. I know, well, you've got a kid now. That's different.

Yeah. That's why I haven't got a kid because I'm still doing it. But, like, I read an article the other day where someone sort of compared it, this isn't me comparing it

because obviously it's not a comparison at all, but it's almost a bit like going to war. it's not as bad, but like, the camaraderie you get when shit hits the fan is like, it's like nothing else on earth other than maybe the army or like things where you're stationed abroad. Yeah, it's like a weird, weird constant sleepover. Yeah, it is weird, man. And I, I would like encourage anyone to do it. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's so fucking funny. Like,

looking back, but I remember when we were in Canada and we, we had to do. And we, we had to driver and I can't remember her name I think I should I shouldn't probably say anyway because we had a massive falling out the band and her she was she was driving us because she was mates with one of the other bands on tour or something and we were so skinned we were like oh you're gonna do it for free sweet and it was about four in the morning and we were driving in the middle of nowhere and then all of a sudden we hit black ice and we were in the back of the van with like we took the seats out so we were sleeping just in sleeping bags in the back of the van and we

woke up, being thrown about the place and just fucking skidded the trailer flip. We didn't flip. And I remember getting out thinking, what the fuck just happened? And why is this happening? Do you know what I mean? Like what is going on? And luckily the tour bus behind pulled over and helped us out and stuff. But mate, it's so funny.

I mean, that's just one example of many funny and weird things that happen when being in a van. But yeah, look it back, mate. I do love it. funniest times mate especially when you start out do you know

what I mean it's fucking you gotta start out when you're young haven't you because if you were doing like sleeping on people's

sofas and shit at 32 yeah then you've got to sort of take a look at your life so I think I did that

about probably four years ago I think when I was in a different band I won't say what band but I was in

a different band and like the promoter had fucked up, didn't book as a hotel. And it was like, we had to stay at someone from the show's house. And I was like sleeping on a sofa with like,

in some guy's kid's bedroom, but the kid wasn't there. So that was a weird sort of thing as it was. Like, where's your kid mate? With all these like, with all these like drawings on the walls that a kid has drawn, but the kid is miraculously not there.

And then I was like, I'm 30 fucking. I think at that point I was 28 or something. I was like, no, my actual thought was, I'm an uncle. And I'm, I'm sleeping in someone else's kid's bed just for three hours so I can fucking drive to Romania or something. I know, what the fuck am I doing for my life? How much am I getting paid? I don't know. I'll find out at the end. Yeah, mate, I've, mate, so many times on tour, I've, like, we've looked at each other and been like, what are we doing, pay? You know what I mean? You just question. everything there and then when something bad or funny happens.

You're like, oh my God, let's weigh this up. Are we getting paid? Don't know yet. Don't know. What are we doing? Promoter said he saw it out, so I'm not sure what that means. Promoter said there's 50 likes on Facebook page, so hopefully. Fuck me.

That still happens, mate. Oh, thank you for now. The promoter says 500 people are coming on Facebook. Mate, I've got a funny story. It's so funny. I can't believe it actually happened. So we were playing the face bar in Redding. I mean, you know it well.

Do you know what I mean? It was, it was your local? Oh, mate, that's my old stomping grounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We played that and we, it was, I can't remember the guy's name, but the promoter. We turned up and we were like, oh, you're right, mate, can we get some guests for tonight? And he was like, um, what do you mean, mate? You've already got six.

And we were like, who? And he was like, well, the band's for, the driver and the merch guy. And we were like, what? We're in... Who is a promoter? I'll probably know him. Hey, no, it was a... I can't remember what his name is Dan.

Dan? Danny. Well, there's a couple of Dan's in ready, mate. I can't remember his last name, but I just remember being like, oh my fucking God. Yeah. Very, very, very funny. So, what are you doing these days then, drum-wise? Because I see, you're obviously doing busted, which, for a memory. Which, for American people, which I think Americans are the most of my listeners, or at least half,

busted wrote a load of the Jonas Brothers songs, didn't they? So, essentially, it's like you are in the Jonas Brothers. Yeah, essentially. Which is very, that's a big deal, America. So, fucking, before you skip to the next episode with some goff drummer, then, you know, you're going to get some words of wisdom. I think they wrote Year 3,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bustitong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's Jonas Brothers biggest song. Yeah, which I didn't know about

until a couple of months ago when we were doing a couple of shows together. Well, we were doing a couple of shows and Busted had to like nip over to

Wembley Stadium and do like an appearance with the Jonas Brothers and I was like, oh, that's random. Like, why are you doing that? And they were like, oh, well,

they used year 3000. That's pretty much how they launched their career. And I was like, oh, fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, it's like their biggest fucking song.

I wonder what they're fucking Pete? IRS checks are like boy. Mate, geez. Mate, unbelievable. Unbelievable. It must be mental.

Yeah, how many nights did you do at Wembley? It was only one. It was only the one. And it was amazing. It was fucking wild. But honestly, mate, it was like, I mean, it came about because

you know, LTA was coming to an end and I knew that for for a while. And to be honest, I kind of said to myself, like, I don't really want to be, be touring. I kind of want to sort of re-evaluate what I'm doing and why. And then literally I was

practicing one night and it was about 11pm and I checked my phone and it was shit and it was a DM from Matt and he was like, you're right mate. Do you want to come play drums for us next year? And I was like what the fuck? Like how random is doing. Did you know him before? No, no, mate. I did it. I'd never met any of them apart from Charlie because obviously we've got mutual mates like B-man and stuff and the architect's boys and while she sleeps and all that. So I never met any of them and I just got a DM from Matt and then I replied and said just said yeah like obviously I'm well well keen for that and uh the next day I met up with them all the day after and then it was done pretty much I met up with them in their late and like at their label and it was

just all go from there it was fucking mental mate but honestly mad it go on no go on I was just going to say like they are the nicest people ever it's so honestly it's the dream gig it's the dream gig mate you posted that photo of like the Wembley crowd and I literally just laughed out

laughed out loud and I think I just replied I was like that crowd is hilarious like it looks fake yeah I mean mate it's like I don't know it was so I didn't really expect it like I always knew they were big and I remember like doing a first sort of the first thing I did with them was like an acoustic show and I

remember walking out and it was like 1,500 people there or something and you know that's not that's not like massive but I was used to do an acoustic shows in front of like fucking 25 people do you know what I mean and I remember walking out thinking oh yeah I forgot how big this band are you know even like an acoustic performance for three songs it's like 1,500 people there going absolutely crazy so but yeah mate it was um it was wild absolutely wild I can't believe it

it's fucking sick so really so you had mutual friends and they knew that you were like a drummer obviously and you could play because you're in LTA and they're probably seen LTA but do you reckon maybe it was just from them following you on Instagram

it was like that put you in the in I always say this it like the more fucking it sounds cringe and I always joke about shit like this but the more content you put out, the more that you're at the front of people's brains when they think we need a drummer. Mate, 100%.

Yeah, 100%. And I agree, man. It's a difficult, like, it's a double-edged sword, isn't it? Like, Instagram. And I talk about it a lot because it has kind of put me in the faces of people that I would have never have met. And it's given me a lot of opportunities that I probably wouldn't have had without Instagram.

But there's obviously like some downsides to it and stuff and I'm sure we get into that. But yeah, mate, it was weird. apparently it was Matt asked one of his mates who's sort of like who's on the radar and his mate like sent him in my profile and then Matt sent that to Chaz Charlie and then Charlie was like yeah get him get him like I didn't he obviously knew LTA and but he'd never seen me play so it went from like someone sharing my profile and then Matt sending it to Charlie and Charlie going yeah I know him, yeah, let's get him in sort of thing.

So, but it's crazy, but without Instagram, I don't know how they would have ever got in touch. Do you know what I mean? They probably wouldn't have. They probably would have gone with someone that they had before. So it's mental to think about it. But yeah, it came all for Instagram, mate. It's wild, isn't it?

It is mental and it is fully a double-edged sword because it's dangerous, as we've talked about it before, like in private, but it's a dangerous, like, the, what's the, it's like airbrushing on, models Instagram like drummers so many people

edit their shit so and actually with you I think probably about this time you just had GoPro camera audio for the longest time

only recently you got like fucking EAD but I I love that shit and like Stan Bicknell as well yeah

like you know that person shreds when you just you're seeing it with camera audio yeah and I think like

yeah I don't know man, I try, I try so hard to stay away from the whole, like, editing and overdoing stuff, mate, because I think, I just think it has a negative impact in more ways than one. You know what I mean? Like, it kind of, you know, all like the young kids out there who want to start off, they all go towards YouTube and Instagram now, whereas, like, how I started off was playing as many shows as possible and doing it that way. Yeah, and I think.

And getting good. Yeah. By the time you're putting videos on Instagram, you're already good. You don't have to fake them to be at the same level as someone else. And then you have that sort of weird internal struggle with yourself. Like, I'm not actually this good. But you put the perception out that you are that good. And then that creates a fucking horrible mental state for whoever's doing it.

Exactly, exactly. And everyone expects like, everyone thinks that's what's what drums sound like. Do you know what I mean? Like perfect and triggered and this, that and the other. And when they don't hear that, they assume someone's shit or the video's rubbish or whatever. It's a weird one, mate. And I think that's why I love the Yamaha EAD, mate, because you plug it in and whatever happens happens,

you can't move anything, you can't edit it. Even though it is sort of, you know, compressed and has a bit of reverb and stuff, you can't actually play around with it. Yeah, your feel still has to be there. You can't change the feel. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But yeah, mate, yeah. Yeah, it's wild, man.

Instagram, it is a double-edged sword, man, and so many times I open it up. And I'm like, oh, mate. I was feeling good and now I feel a little bit sort of shit and then most days I'm like oh this is wicked this is cool but how I use my sort of page now

is more like a business page really I just open it up do what I've got to do respond to people and then I've got another page where I just browse stuff and that kind of like that sort of interesting yeah that sort of helps it out

because I feel like I don't know you can just end up just in like a domino effect of just you can end up on some random person's page like 55 weeks deep and you're like what am i actually doing so i mean like before i mean yeah that's why i do when i'm on tour just literally my screen time is like you spend eight hours on instagram today i'm like you know what and i actually i fucking loved it there was funny memes but i was having to look around but on the on the subject of like the negative i'm trying to think of what the what the word is what do they call it in

like in modeling and stuff they call it like negative body image right so a negative drum image yeah vibe is like the thing that i know is from not editing my videos yeah you get a few more especially in metal where everyone's used to let's put it this way if you listen to metal you are mostly listening to 99% quantized drums if you think you're not you're a fucking idiot So when you see a drummer have unedited videos and you think, oh, that sounds sloppy. It's more than likely it's just because it's not the computer that you're used to. So the thing that I noticed from when I started not editing videos,

I didn't edit them in the first place, but I think I had a couple of YouTube videos like maybe seven or eight years ago where I edited them, which is what most people do constantly. When I switched to not editing, and I'd never edited on my Instagram, Yeah, you get a few more comments of people saying, Oh, that bit was sloppy, or whatever, some little fucking cunt. But when you go back, if you're having one of those days where you think your shit of drums,

because maybe you're looking at someone else's page that's edited, if you go back and you remember all that wasn't edited and you watch you back, it kind of gives yourself a boost. Like when I had a bit of rough shit before we went on tour this time, I went back through my old posts because I was just having this mad moment of self-doubt. And then I went back through all my old posts

and I was like, hang on, I am actually quite good. I'd forgotten it because I'm constantly chasing being better. It's quite nice to have like proof of a moment in time. Even if you look back and be like, oh shit, I'm way better than I was then. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Mate, 100%. And I think that's just the music industry in general. Do you know what I mean? Whether it be your playing, your career, what you're doing, the grass is somewhere always greener. And I think if you let that become too much of a thing, it's so kind of, it's so negative to everything. You know what I mean? Like, for example, like you said, you can, you can put up a really

good, really good video that you're really happy with, whether it be like you've nailed this feel or, I don't know, you're just happy with a video. And then you can upload it, you can scroll down your feed and someone else has uploaded a video that you think is better and you feel 10 times worse than you just did, even though you were at the top. And I feel like it's the same with being in a band. You know what I mean? You book a venue, let's say you're doing like electric ballroom. And before you've even done that, you're already thinking about Brixton.

Oh, why have we done Brixton yet? When are we going to do that? So I think it's just, yeah, the way in which kind of like musicians and bands and sort of like creative people work is that you always strive for kind of better and better and better. And what I've kind of, what I do now, mate, is just I don't overthink stuff. I try not to anyway. And I think that's the, that's the, kind of, yeah, the saving grace with me, really. I put something up and if it's like, you know, if there's a little imperfection in there, I kind of keep it. Because at the end of the day, mate, like those little imperfections, as cringe as this does sound, they're the things that separate us and make us kind of unique and individual, do you know what I mean? If everything was perfect, like all these triggered and oversaturated sort of edited videos, then it's just fucking boring. that's like why every metal album balls the fuck out of me at the moment

not at the moment but you know the majority of like metal core and stuff like that because they've all got the same drum sound they've all got the same

they might have a good drummer but he's been quantized oh there's one drummer I'm not going to say who it is yeah but I'll explain who he is and then everyone will know who it is who's like desperate

to come on the podcast right in fact there's a few of these there's a couple of these and they're in big bands and people always tag them all the time because I ask people don't fucking message me saying I want this person on a podcast

because I ain't going to read your DMs but I want them to go on the person they want and then say you should go on the downbeat and then if the person replies and is like yeah I'd love to then I can get in touch yeah yeah sure let's cringe on my end but it means I get a lot of people asking fucking there's two in particular

who like they're in big bands and people ask for them all the time and I'll just go on and they're like yeah I'd love to and then it's just like there's no way you're ever coming on here mate

your shit is all edited you've got a little video of your like practice room and the reverb from your snare trigger is like an 80s like motley crew album

I really want to know who it is I really want to know I see all your shit is fake I'll tell you afterwards I see all your shit is fake there's no way you're coming in what are we gonna talk about

So can you actually play the drums? And there's a couple of them as well And they're nice guys as well But it's like Just be a little bit more sincere, honest About what you do Maybe a bit less fucking boring And then I'll have a chat with her

Until then What the fuck are we gonna talk about? Yeah, exactly, exactly Mate, I couldn't agree more Couldn't agree more That sounds harsh Because we could definitely talk about touring And we could definitely talk about other hobbies and stuff

But at the end of the day, I don't want to, I don't want to perpetuate this fake shit. Yeah, it's bollocks, isn't it? That's sort of my goal. Yeah. And your goal and Mike Johnson's goal. Yeah, mate, 100%. I mean, mate, if you think about old M.J. Old bloody M.J.

He records of like, what, an overhead and a kick mic. He doesn't edit anything. And he's so fucking sick and smooth. It's like, oh, there we go. A bit of realness. How much is he just the best person in the world? Honestly, mate, I... So like, obviously I've got this sort of website that I don't fucking shut up about.

And I... We'll get to that. Yeah, I reached out to him about... I don't know how long ago it was. It was a while ago now. I reckon it was almost like... I don't know, let's say like eight months, maybe a year. I can't even remember.

But I reached out to him and I sent him a DM and I said, look, I'm struggling, mate. Like, I really need some help. Just even a phone call, you know, I pay for it, whatever. I just need to figure out, you know, what I'm doing, how I'm doing it, if I'm doing it right. And he reached out, well, your answer straight away and was like, look, man, just look, give me your number, I'll give you a call. And since that call, we've become fucking, mate, all like good, good friends, man, like on a daily basis we chat. And I always call him up for advice. And he's become a sort of mentor, really, as well as, like, a good friend.

And he's just the sickest guy, mate. He's just so sick. Like, I don't understand how anyone can be that good at what they do. Like, when you see him teach, when you see him, like, on Instagram, you're like, yeah, that's why you're smashing him, mate, because you're fucking sick. I think when I did the podcast with him, I even told him, I was like, I was sure you had some sort of dark secret. Like, you secretly murdered women or children or something.

Because no one, no one is as nice. I know. As that in real life. And then we got into the chat about an hour And I was like, it's true You're not a murderer You're just the nicest person on the planet You are the fucking legend

Yeah, mate, it's the same of me Like every day Like when he was like The first few calls we had I was like, no He can't be this nice Is he giving me sort of fake information So I fucking like fail

Or like fuck this up I uh He's in a nutshell, mate He is just the most helpful And sort of like Just sincere person ever And it's so funny mate like it's so good to have someone to call and just sort of like vent to because i don't know i don't

know about you mate but being a musician and a drummer and being in a being in a band it's so fucking it's so weird in every sense of the word like if you're having a hard time or you're struggling it's really hard to talk to someone that isn't um in that well who who does what you do do you know I mean so it's really nice for me to pick up the phone and say you're right mate um just struggling with this at the minute like how did you get through or how did how did how did you do to kind of make this easier. So it's really good to have someone there and he's a fucking ledge. So yeah man, he's a good guy, really good guy. So right, let's get on to your website then. Are you mostly just doing website or are you doing session stuff as well? Um, a bit of both really, a bit of both. But

the session stuff, mate, I mean, I'm not going to lie. I did, I did something the other day. It was like a TV gig. It's going to come out in a couple of weeks. It's like a pre-recorded thing. But mate, like, I don't know, I just can't be asked, really. Like, I know that sounds really bad, but a lot of session work these days, and this isn't to sound too negative. I don't mean to sound too negative. There's a lot of amazing session work out there, but a lot of the stuff that I was getting asked to do recently was like,

oh yeah, can you do, you know, this random person for this amount of day, and I'm like, no, mate, you know what I mean? I'd make more money fucking shifting bricks. Do you know what I mean? I can't. This isn't why I've practiced and worked hard at drums. all my life to play for this person for like 120 pounds a day. Do you know what I mean?

It's like I'm just not, that makes me sound really negative, but, nah, nah, there becomes a point when your time is worth more than they can pay you. Yeah, and it's like, you know, to mime on a fucking pad. Like, no, I'll just do my website if that's all right sort of thing. And also, then, sorry, I'm going to put you up before I forget. Yeah, go. Then paying you $120 a day is assuming, I'm assuming that's just the price to be in the studio.

You've got to fucking practice before that. You've got to get there. You've got to do all this, do all that. It cuts it down in half, probably. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. And all that shit. And then it's like, would I say you cut it in half from everything?

Yeah, you'll get your travel back from your fucking tax bill. But is it worth 60 quid? for essentially what would be three days work. Realistically. That's why I stopped recording bands because I started producing bands, recording, engineering, mixing, mastering. And it was in the same studio that I was teaching drums in.

And I couldn't obviously teach drums during the same week as recording. So, because the kids had touched the mics or whatever. So I'd stop teaching for a week. And then once I got paid from the band. band and I figured out the per hour I was getting was about three pound an hour. Yeah, I know. I did so much work. And it was like, hang on, if I'd have just taught five drum lessons in that week, I'd made the same amount of money for five hours work. I know, mate, it's mental. It is mental. And it's, yeah, so that's my philosophy on it now.

I'm like, if it's a mate, and if I really like the project, I'll do it. And that's not saying, oh, you know, the phone doesn't stop bloody ringing, mate. You know, I can pick and choose. It's not, It's not that at all. It's just, it's like you said, mate. It's not just the day rate or the one day of work. It's the sort of three days leading up to it. And then the prep and then the travel and then the food and stuff. So it all depends, mate. I mean, there's a lot of really good MDs out there that pay really well and a lot of artists that do as well. But there's also a lot of people who just like don't. And it's like, oh, well, you know, if you want to spend a hundred and twenty pound a day on a drummer, you can't really afford it. So just don't, don't employ one. Do you know what I mean? But yeah, I just kind of work with mates at the minute. I mean, Busted was definitely an eye opener. I was like, right, okay, this is, you know, I went from sort of LTA and kind of working, and we did everything ourselves, working all the time

and just hustling and blah, blah, blah, and it was such a struggle, man. It was such a lot of input for such little output. And that doesn't make me, you know, I'm not sounding ungrateful. It was one of the best experience of my life, but behind the scenes, I mean. And then when Busted happened,

it was just like, oh, this is what it's like. Do you know what I mean? This is what it's meant to be like. And then that's kind of put me in a position where I'm like, okay, well, I want a tour if I'm really good friends with them or if it's a project I like. And if not, I really want to just focus on sort of teaching

and focus on my website, man. But yeah, I don't know, Matt. I'm sure you find the same. That's what I always tell people when their band splits up, right? I'm like a mentor to other people who's band split up because they go, oh, hang on, Craig's been in a million band splits up. that split up, how's he dealt with it?

And you've just got to look at it as like that is your 10,000 hours putting it in. Like what you were saying about LTA, like it was a lot of work behind the scenes and every band is but then all of that every little bit of business, every little bit of booking a van, every little bit of

dealing with someone is a bit of practice that will make your next one easier. Yeah. You know, you got you got probably the best session gig in the UK off. that but you definitely learn so many lessons in LTA that you couldn't fucking pay for yeah I met 100% yeah when people when people's bands split up and I'm like what am I gonna do

blah blah blah blah I'm like you just fucking learn a lot right and you're gonna use that next time even if you don't know it the same my mate used to run a clothing line right and uh he'd always be annoyed it wasn't going well or it didn't go as well as like drop dead and shit like that But he was, you know, he's making money from it And I used to tell him I was like, mate, this is all just practice For some bigger picture Like you're getting to know the printers

You're getting to know the garments You're getting to do all, you know, all this shit And now You know, sort of five, six years later He's the company that does Like Lewis Capaldi's merch Like he owns that company And at the time he was like inconsolable

Like, why am I doing this? It's a waste of time It's like everything you do, as long as you're pouring your fucking heart into it and like actually working hard, everything's practice. Mate, 100%. Yeah, mate, that's a really good way of looking at it in a really positive way as well because it's, yeah, I mean 100%. I've learned, like I said before, man, I've learned so much from just being in a band

and like touring and playing shows and meeting different people and having to live with other people and shit like that. And that's why I encourage everyone to just get in a van, get into like play as many shows as possible and just meet as many people as possible and just learn, learn by doing, do you know what I mean? I think there's a lot to be said for that. And I feel like I really hope that

the kind of next generation do do that. I mean, everything's online now, do you know what I mean? YouTube, Instagram. I mean, bands can put EP's on Spotify and fucking blow up now, do you know what I mean, without playing a show. And I really hope people still do that,

even if it's just for fun, because you learn so much by doing that. Yeah, so, but yeah, you're right, mate. Everything you do, man, it's like a sort of, you know, a building block, isn't it? It's something that you don't know is going to come. But whatever is going to come is going to be way more sort of beneficial and bigger and better than what you had before. So, yeah. But I couldn't agree more, mate.

Let's sell your fucking website then. Hang on. I've dropped. Yeah, but the thing is, don't take this wrong way. This is how I view the Eddie Frower website. Go ahead. It's an Eddie Fray. Ro are only fans, but he doesn't get his dick out.

Do you know what only fans is? Is that like when the girls get their tits out and stuff? On Snapchat? Yeah, and guys, and guys. It's like, it's basically private videos of, you know, assets, like monetizing their assets, and people pay $5.99 a month, which is a familiar price. Is yours? 599? How much is yours?

99. 99? Bumped up. Yeah, it's between 4 and, you know, 10 for an only fan. I imagine, I don't know at all. And people get a little insight into that person's life. It's not all kits and dicks. But your shit is like an educational version of that.

Because I always see videos where you're just like chatting to people. And instead of like chatting to people about like cum shots, you're talking to them about actual drum shit. And I think it's well cool. actual community rather than here's my website here's the lessons and then like no interaction what i'm getting at is you're interacting like a porn star but uh without the porn i fucking may that's going to be on the home page now i love that spot on spot on but i appreciate it because it's a porn site without the porn yeah exactly there you go um i might change it to eddie throw a hub

you know what i might just do that um right That's actually fucking sick That is sick, isn't it? Yeah, mate, I mean that's... That's what I try to do Because I feel like, I don't know My kind of background, my like, My story, I guess, when it came to learning drums

Was just so sort of, in a nutshell, just really unrelatable the whole time. Like, I'm really dyslexic And in school I was just fucking shit And my attention span was so short That I just didn't learn in any conventional way, you know what I mean? Like, when I sat down with my drum teacher

in school and it was like right now we're going to be doing um book one uh on the snare drum patterns and i'm like sitting there thinking i just want to play some fucking offspring songs you know what i mean um and then i had another teacher who all he let me do was play sort of acedc songs and stuff so it was like i never knew i never had the right balance between having fun and actually learning do you know what i mean having someone sit down and say look if you want to be able to do this do that put in some time and effort but at the same time have fun so it was like I never had... Same thing.

Yeah, do you know what I mean? It was like, either one guy would just, I'd pay him for 20 quid, and he'll put back in black on, and that's my hour done, all the opposite, and it was just some guy

who was just so unrelatable making me play a fucking jazz beat. I'd never, ever play again. So it's like, I just wanted to create something that I would love to use and that I would love to sort of be a part of if someone else had created it.

And that's why I sort of try and create this sort of community feel and just have a sort of discord group where everyone can chat because I think there's a lot to be said for just talking do you know what I mean just that's why I think this podcast is amazing mate because there's a lot to be said for just listening to people talk about their experience and what they've done and how they've done it um so yeah that's what I try and do but I definitely going to change my name to well the website to Eddie Throw Hub I think it's way better love that or um or X thrower.com yeah or um what other what other one I don't know.

I don't know. I've never been on one. No, I don't even know. They keep talking about these things on there, these naughty words, and I've only heard them on the playground. Not like that. Fuck me. Babe! You're going to have to edit the fuck out of that bit.

Oh! It's cute. Moving on. I'm not editing that. No, I'm not editing that. I'm not editing that, but... Leave it in. It was...

That was not meant to be... meant to make me sound like a predator it was meant to make me sound childlike and you know like I didn't know anything let's move on mental so good

we haven't really like I haven't really talked about drums people do get lessons on your website they're not just paying to see your your penis nah my penis they're like

you get lessons there's chops, there's loops. Where you've got a little podcast on there? Well, yeah, so in a nutshell, it's sort of, well, I just knocked the mic then, sorry, mate. I just saw a peek in the old audio wave. So, yeah, I do weekly lessons, so I cover sort of, you know, well, pretty much anything and everything,

whether it would be like a feel, a groove, a chop, a lot of exercises, like technique-based exercises. And I do it, it's weekly lessons. So I kind of like the way a lot of people do courses. Do you know what I mean? Like, oh, here's a sort of linear course or a foot speed course or whatever. And if that was me, I'd find that a bit of overwhelming. And I kind of want to bring back the sort of, I mean, I don't know if it happens anymore.

But when I used to look forward to seeing my drum teacher or, you know, seeing what I was going to learn or what song I was going to play to every week. And I wanted to kind of bring that back on like an online platform. So every week there's a different lesson. And it can be, yeah, it can be about, I don't know, control, speed. technique, chops, whatever. And as well as that, yeah, you've got like sort of tip videos, behind the scene stuff, vlogs, and then like tracks to download and stuff. And then what I try to do, which is flipping hard.

I mean, you probably know this, is that just getting fucking people locked down for interviews and chats and stuff. It's so hard, mate. So hard. Drummers are fucking so unreliable. It's hard. And it's also, like, sometimes it's hard to get the motivation to do it. Like after a while, I've been doing this for like a year and a half now.

And it's like, I don't get paid for it. People, I think someone said the other day, like, mate, you must be so rich from the, because I put up how many like streams the podcasts had. Oh, mate, you must be so rich. Like, there's no royalties. This is free. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is completely free. This is me and you spending, you know, an hour, two hours, talking just for the benefit of other people. Yes, there's a sub-examination. Which is buy a fucking t-shirt or a mug from www. The DownBee.org and sign up to eddythrower.com for $999 a month. Yeah, boy. Yes, that's the subtext.

But, you know, on the grand scheme of things, it is free. Yeah. I just trying to... I just want to... I had a weird, like, epiphany sort of last year where I was like, when I'm dead, will people remember me for doing a... anything good or will they go he was all right at drums and now i want to sort of sort of leave

leave a sort of sistine chapel in these podcasts that people can go back to and go oh what a fucking legend he it was like he was like the michelangelo of drums yeah i respect that i was sort of mother teresa figure yeah mate i couldn't agree more mate like, mate, I, although, no,

hang on, she, she banned condoms in Africa and therefore helped the AIDS virus to propagate. So not Mother's Reza.

Let's go more Gandy. More Gandy. Gandy vibes. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

you got to do a, your next t-shirt's got to be you on Gandhi's body or something. Do you know what I mean? That might be appropriation. I'm not sure.

Yeah, yeah. It would definitely look odd. Yeah. I do have more t-shirts in the works and uh mate i'll have to send you some of the fucking

some of the stage shit because it actually is well good for playing drums in I always struggle finding someone to play drums in me every time like the last few shows I did I played in fucking cargos mate it was the most uncomfortable thing the camel toe was real it was fucking painful

is it called camel toe if you got a dick or not no that's not is it well it's still a camel toe but one side is much bigger hopefully anyway sign up to eddythroa

onlyfans.com to see his cameltoe yeah um um um I'm gonna do um

I'm gonna do stage jeans mate mate that's a fucking shout um um because I've done those stage shorts and they are fucking sick and they like

they they wicks sweat away and they don't like smell or anything but a lot of people playing jeans so what I'm doing is I'm working on

samples for like a skinny fit gene but with just enough stuff that isn't denim in it that it would dry very quickly but still look like a gene and have some sort of inner lining like

almost like swimming shorts do which the shorts have but not like swimming shorts so you can wear it without boxes and you don't ruin your boxes mate you need to do some flannel shirts and some bombers and I'll be fucking on that someone actually talked to me about flannel shirts as well mate you know like the market stall bombers you get that it's like they're black and they've got that orange orange inlay

do not I mean I could do one of those easily yeah wait do that fat brat print for sign me up mate sign me up I'd love that you get a fucking bomber going but man I had a really good um point and it's kind of slip my mind. Oh yeah, no. You know, you're talking about you being like the next Gandhi and all that. Yeah, yeah, big time. Yeah, yeah.

I couldn't agree more because I feel like it's, you know, I don't know. I just kind of want to help people and like really kind of like support people. And I don't know. I know that sounds so fucking cliche to say. But I feel like that's why I love teaching so much now. Like I feel like I've really hit an nail on the head with. finding sort of something

relatable because you know I don't read music at all like at all I can't read music and I've tried so fucking hard

and I still try now but it just doesn't work for me that's interesting yeah man I never have ever you're very good mate honestly like

when people talk about like swung sex tuplets I'm like what the fuck you want about me like what are you on about shut up you throw me off

and uh mate that's fucking great so all the shit it on your site is not notated it's just taught none of none of it there's no notation in in there at all like for example if i'm writing down a fill i'll write down like right left left left right right if it's groove then i do sort of one two three four up to eight or whatever at the top and then i put sort of right left right left in the place where it's meant to be um because yeah i mean i'm I was so bad.

I mean, I'm one of these people that, I mean, this is going to make me sound so fucking dumb. But, I struggle reading books. Like, when I'm reading a book,

nothing's going into my brain. Does that make sense? Like, that's why I love podcasts and audio books so much because I'm actually, like, you know, listening and soaking it in all in.

But, but yeah, I struggled with music so bad, like, reading it in school. And then when it came to learning drums and getting better, I was like,

fuck, how am I going to, how am I going to get better? Like, what are all these guys playing? Like, surely they, to be able to play that, you must be able to read music because, you know, how else are you going to learn that? Do you know what I mean?

And then through time and just through like, basically trial and error and doing things like learning rudiments and then picking them apart and applying them around the kit and just listen to music in general, I kind of came up with my own sort of ways of doing it. And yeah, that's why I really kind of want to just teach and just help and just shed light on things. and talk about things I've learned

and hopefully it will help people out. You know what I mean? So who can I be if you're Gandhi? Well, let's say if Gandhi was the sort of site reading philanthropist then I would probably... Maybe you're Gandhi. Nah, I'm not a Gandhi yet. You know who's Gandhi?

Well, you're Gandhi and then Mike Johnson's also Gandhi. Oh, I'm sort of... Okay, let's roll this back. Mike Johnston is Gandy. Okay. Yeah. Then I would say me and you are like

just sort of yoga teachers. I'm like the guy from the one show who does the Rickshaw challenge. What's his name? He's really good. He does a lot for people. And I'm just like one of those yoga teachers who like invents the type of yoga sells it.

Everyone loves it But then he sort of sits on his ass doing nothing There we go That's the bit you can use for Instagram right there Tried real people in Yeah Right, Mike Johnston is Gandy And me and Eddie are just simply

Yoga teachers Yeah But we got our own twist on yoga Yeah exactly Mike Johnson like invented the back bend And all that shit Yeah yeah yeah Anyway right we plugged

We plugged your fucking sight I But I think it's great If it For people who can't sight read And maybe a little bit Um Disheartened

Or can't find a website To sign up to Because they're all sight read Yours is way more hands on Which is fucking sick I once I taught a kid I like

With Down syndrome Right And it was like The mum Was messaging me Magnus His name was His mum

was messaging me saying you know it's got Down syndrome I'm not sure if you worked with any children with stuff like that but here's you know have a Google blah blah blah I'm not sure and I was like yeah I got this no worries I got this and I

googled it extensively right because I usually teach recite reading and then I like I got these coloured stickers to put on the drums because I found somewhere that people taught people with Down syndrome piano with like colours So I did that.

I even painted a load of drum heads. So we'd have different coloured things, right? I put them all on the drum kit. Then I kicked drum was red, snare drum was blue, and then I wrote out, like, instead of where you would write right, right, left, right, left. I'd just put like blue and yellow at the same time would mean kick drum and hi-hat or whatever. You got this whole thing planned. It took me days to plan it.

Comes for lesson number one. Sits down. I explain the plan. He's colourblind. Oh, for fuck sake. I had to fucking,

I had to really, really think on my feet. And we did get there in the end, but fuck me. It was like three days of work. And I was like, I felt so good about myself already.

I was like, you know what? This is going to be incredible. What are the fucking odds colorblind? Babe, that is fucking, oh my God.

I think we did it with numbers in the end, which would have been much easier and saved me sitting down painting fucking drum heads. Oh, mate. It's a good idea. But again, you know what we're saying?

You know what we're saying all about practice? Then you know what? I had another drum student who had Down syndrome and the colour thing worked like a fucking charm. And they were like, you've done this before. I was like, well, actually, yes, I have. Mate, it's amazing. I love that.

The mum should have probably slipped that in there, shouldn't she? She probably should have slipped that in there. I don't know if she's expecting me to come up with a fucking paintbrush. I think that was my fault for going too far in. Oh, mate, that's such a shame because you put so much hard work into that. You must have walked in thinking, I've got this. Easy.

Yeah, mate, I was buzzing. And it was like, the photo sat down. And she just said it as if I was supposed to know. Yeah, he's colorblind. I was like, oh! Oh, fuck sake. Okay. Um, mate, I hate that feeling of being so unprepared.

Like, but you have prepared. Like, man, I remember, um, do you remember I was with Ian and you FaceTimed him? And you were doing UK drum show. Yeah. And, uh, I remember, like, that feeling of like, like, being prepared for something but not knowing what it's going to be like i remember the first time i did um i don't know it was like glasgow drum show or something and that that feeling of like oh my god i thought i was prepared but i'm not at all like it got to about 20 minutes to the end and i had

nothing to play and no one was asking it any questions and i was like oh fuck me mate what am i going to talk about what am i going to do oh my god it was the most terrible i looked over like Mike Dolbert. It was the fucking first time I did London. And he was like, you got 20 minutes left, mate. And I was like, I haven't, mate. I'm done. I'm done.

Onlyfans.com. Onlyfans.com 4 slash London drum show of just shot Malo. Don't those 20 minutes left. Hey, mate, how how do you find clinics in general? Because I've done four now and I've got my own thoughts about them.

I fucking hate them and I'm never doing them again. Well, man, I'm doing UK drum show this year, well next year You're not never doing them again You're doing the biggest one you can do Yeah, and I was like, oh mate this is great This is amazing and then I sort of hung up the phone And I was like oh fuck sake I've got that feeling that I had before

Where I'm just dreading it And I don't know what to do I don't know what to say Don't know what to play I don't know I really don't like doing him I'm not going to lie, but it's sometimes in life you've got to fucking climb that mountain

and fucking just get over it and do it. Do you know what I mean? And stand up the top and be like, we, I did it. And that's how I'm seeing UK drum show this year, well next year. Mine have got progressively worse. Like, I did the UK drum show

and other than the last song where I just rushed it and I was knackered and I hadn't slept from fucking worrying. like I thought I smashed it and then the next one I smashed the playing

again didn't sleep a wink before it because I was just worrying about it and then you know what it's like when you try and play drums when you haven't fucking slept it's dog shit and then that one I like I smashed the performance

and I kind of blew it on the talking and then I did one in Glasgow after that and I crushed the lesson and the talking element and I made a mistake in every single song

mate it's so now I'm booking one for February and in my head I'm just like I don't want to do this I have to do this because it's what I want to do and I need to get better at it but I'm fucking dreading it yeah yeah

I mean they are important to do I think especially if you want to be like a drummer's drummer do you know what I mean like I mean that's what that world is that's what that industry is but man I couldn't agree more and if if anything like I found that it just made I don't know it made me play worse it made me over-analyze shit that you don't need to over-analyze um you know like if you're playing a show with your band wherever it may be like on a huge stage in the pub whatever you know like all eyes aren't on you and it's like there's a vibe there's an atmosphere do you know what I mean and it's like you're you're appreciating music and

live music as well and then when you take all of that away and it's just you with a drum kit on stage with the lights on and drummer's watching you it's like it's the most mate my asshole my arseol just clench were you saying that

oh mate I just say on your own I just sucked up my fucking chair mate I've got cold sweat on right now and it's just like it's so unnatural unnatural and you can't what I found is that you can't replicate that feeling that adrenaline

in the practice room so the only way you can get better at doing clinics is by doing more. So that's where, I don't know, that's why I'm like, right, I'll do more. I'll just do it. And hopefully I'll enjoy them more and I'll get better. But mate, it is fucking terrifying. It really is. And when you see someone that's really good at them and can go up on stage and play drums as if they're playing in their little practice room, I admire it and I respect it. And I'm like, fair play. Because it is, your body tenses up. You overanalyze everything. You question everything you're doing. And then you look up and you've got a

couple of drummers with her arms crossed deadpan and you go fuck me mate when is this going to end but it is I mean yeah I don't know I'm fucking scared it's like a weird mate I'm fucking scared I've got one in a couple of months it's not been announced

yet but I think it's like I'm doing a day of one on one lessons and then a day which is like a master class thing and I was just I know I won't sleep before the master class yeah and it's fucking mental like I don't know it's a weird it's a weird level of cockiness. There's like two

separate levels of cockiness that I think you need and I don't have both of them. On stage I'm a fucking cocky little wanker. I'll stand up, I'll do bits and bobs like not not showing off but like I'll just get well into it but then there's some people who like can do that not the standing up but just have bring that

cockiness to their playing when they're doing a master class and they're just you know like Matt Gasker He's not cocky But he fucking Either playing in front of people live Or front of people at a clinic He just fucking crushes Yeah

He's just got this like No cockiness is the wrong word Like self He's just He's so sure of himself And I am so unsure of everything about myself Mentally and physically And sometimes I'll bring that on stage with me

And I shouldn't but I do But I think it's natural And the minute you think about it, the minute you fucking think, like, what if I don't have this film? Oh, fucked it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mental. Me, I know. Yeah, I mean, even talk about it, it makes me nervous.

And I don't know what it is. And I, maybe it's in your DNA or not. But I'm the same, mate. I get up there and I'm like, oh, mate, do I deserve to be up here? How am I sounding? How am I looking? Like, and I just, all these emotions are going around in my head constantly. And I need to practice what I, you know, what I kind of tell other people is that,

You've just got to fucking, you know, say in the Discord group for my members, like if one of them's got a show and one of them's like, oh, I'm feeling a little bit nervous and he tips. I say the same thing the whole time, just, you know, just literally, the less you think and the more you just zone in on what you're doing and enjoy drums, then you'll enjoy it more. Because if you're not enjoying it, you're going to play worse. Yeah, mate, 100%. If you're using a bit of your brain to worry, that's one less bit of your brain to be fucking playing stuff accurately. May it 100%.

So easier said than done, but fuck me. I remember like a couple of shows on one tour I did with LTA. It was like I stopped warming up and I just went up on stage and I used to get back to the venue 10 minutes, 15 minutes before we went on. And then just like, right, sweet, change your clothes, where's my sticks, where's my inners, walk on stage, bang. And those shows, I played so much better than when I used to sit there on a pad, warming up for half an hour thinking about every little thing.

And so I just had the philosophy. of like right fuck it I don't care I know I know the songs I know I can play the parts because I fucking wrote them

like just chill out have a laugh and that made such a difference such a difference but mate I'm the opposite though really

if I don't warm up maybe because it's really metal yeah if I don't warm up my feet and my hands actually if I don't warm them up I'm just shit

my thing is if I make a mistake in the first three songs then that's it it's game over mentally and physically. I can feel myself choke up on the sticks a bit more. I can feel myself getting out of the pocket, worrying.

But if I get through that first block of three songs without a mistake, then in my head I go, right, I've made a pretty good impression because I know that first song has that fucking sick paradigl in it. That second song has that sick fucking multi-pedal thing. If everyone in that crowd isn't sucking my dick already, then it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? That's when I get my, that's when I get my confidence.

But if I make one mistake in those first three songs, that is it. I spent the whole rest of the show thinking, everyone here thinks I'm a cunt. Wait, I couldn't agree more. I have this little thing where I have a, I have a, mate, my tech for Busted, he's such a ledge, mate. He made me this drink holder that it's a custom one. And I have a red bull and a beer and a water. And it fits them all perfectly.

And I start off, you know, after the first song, I have a little swig of red bull. And then I have, you know, water. whenever I need it. But third song in, if I've done a good job, I can start drinking the one beer. You know what I mean? As like a treat. Mate, this is music to my ears.

This is the kind of shit I do. Yeah. Otherwise, I'm like, no, I need to fucking go home. I always think, like, what if there is someone who follows me on Instagram, like side stage watching me going, yeah, it is all smoking mirrors. He's fucking shit.

Do you know what I mean? I always think stuff like that. Oh, someone fucking tagged me. Someone tagged me in something on the last day of tour, Last day of tour I was fucking shot I've been on tour for 70 fucking days

Right No 80 days 70 shows I Dropped a stick Right Some little fucking Cunt

Put it on the internet Fuck you Like Posted a little video Like I think it was in The Paradigal song Actually yeah

I had a fucking Good rest of that show Actually had the worst show Of tour But anyway I dropped a stick And there some kid uploaded that bit to the internet.

Fuck you, mate. It's like, mate, I hate all these sort of, don't know, what do you call them? Keyboard Warriors? Are they keyboard warriors? Are they keyboard warriors if they're on Instagram? I don't know. I don't know what you call them.

Little pricks. Little slugs. Yeah, little slugs. Yeah, I hate all that stuff, man. It's, yeah. I mean, I uploaded, I remember, I did a video recently for Zildjim, which was fucking cool.

I went out there and just shot a bunch of content really. I had, like, I had no agenda in mind apart from doing a few videos. And like, in the, I don't know where you've seen it, but on Zildjian's YouTube, they have like these videos which you record in their sort of warehouse. Yeah, I've seen your, I've seen your vid. Yeah, like a lot of them are like sort of trappy, hip-hop, and then like your classic drumless tracks, do you know what I mean? Like 7-8 and all that shit.

And I went in and did like just a punk rock, hardcore. You did like a hardcore song, didn't you? Yeah, but mate, I remember, just like, and I look back at it now, and I'm like, I remember the same feeling that I had. And it was just, before I, you know, record was on, and even whilst I was playing, I was just thinking, so many drummers on YouTube are going to be overanalyzing me and thinking about everything. And, oh, he's not doing this. Is he overplaying? Is he not overplaying? Is he not playing technical enough?

Is he, is he shit or whatever? And I couldn't get that out of my head, and it was so annoying. And I remember when it went live, I was just like scrolling. And I never know we do this, but I was like scrolling, refreshing. Where's the shit comment's going to come? When are they going to come? And I was like, you know what, mate, I just really don't give a fuck anymore. I just don't care what these sort of people think.

If you've got the time to think, to watch something that you don't like, watch it again, think of a comment, type it out, press it. You've really got way too much time on your hands and you just need to fucking get out of your house and just do something fucking productive and positive. you know what I mean it's insane have I ever told you about my fucking Vic Firf jazz video is that the one with that guy in the band and he was like commenting

no no this this is when I fully stopped caring about the internet and people so I made a video after Whiplash came out actually I made a video for Vic Firth the quickest way to be able to do left hand comping in jazz

so for anyone it doesn't know left hand comping is when you've got ding, dinka, dinga, dinga, dinga ding going on the right hand. And on the left hand, you can basically you get full independence to play anything on the left hand. So I made a chart and it was like the easiest way that you can gain full independence on the left hand. And at the beginning of the fucking lesson, I was like, look, I'm not a jazz drummer. I just know that applying this grid concept will work. I've done it.

So, you know, my feel, I'm playing fucking rock sticks. Like it's not going to sound like jazz anyway This big disclaimer And I was like the only purpose of this thing I'm also going to be playing very loud So you can hear where the notes are The whole purpose of this thing Is just for you to get the independence of the left hand right

Fuck me I've never seen so many negative comments Vic Firth pulled the video down Because it was like All these little kids Or just like people like This isn't fucking jazz Why is the feel

Where's the frio? Miles Davis will be turning in this fucking grave. Honestly, it was fucking crazy. And my web guy, Vic Furf, messaged me like, yo, don't take this a wrong way, but I'm going to take this video down because it is a horrible place right now. And I was like, please take it down.

Like, I don't care. But honestly, that actually got to me, and I took a while off making videos. And then I thought about it, I was like, not a single one of those. motherfuckers has done anything with music and I just fuck off. Yeah, exactly just fuck off really. I don't check

him. Probably wanking into a sock in their fucking bedroom and they're fucking 55 years old or whatever. Do you know what I mean? Like just go do something productive instead of watching something you don't like and then it's just like when did music become like I mean this makes me sound. Yeah like a competition and also whether it's right or wrong like there's no right or wrong. Do you know what I mean?

At all. Art, art motherfuckers. Yes, art, bitch. Yeah. But it's so true and I hate that about yet again going back

to like Instagram and social media being a sort of double-edged sword. It's so true. You do get that side of it where people just assume that because they've got an Instagram profile or a YouTube page

they're entitled to their sort of opinion on something that you've put up which I mean, I get it. The comments are there for a reason but it's just, it does blow my mind how people can be you know, that negative and sad

when they wouldn't like someone commenting on their shit like that, do you know what I mean? It's fucking, I don't know, it's a weird, like, generational thing as well, I think where people are just like, people are having no filter now. And I don't know

if that will eventually be a good thing because everyone, people might be growing up to have no filter in real life as well as behind the internet and then they end up, they'll have no filter somewhere where like, I think your hair looks shit and then someone will just bang them out

and then they go, oh, actually, I better, I better not sort of act like that. Yeah, I know, it's weird, isn't it? Fucking cretin. Yeah, but man, yeah, go on, go on. I was just going to change subject, but if you're still, if you're still annoyed about my YouTube comment,

if you're still annoyed about that fucking jazz comment like I am, then... I think we covered that one, in a nutshell, Don't be a little prick. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah. We'll probably have to give Ian a shout out, aren't we?

Fuck Ian. Because he'll be listening to this and he'll go, I haven't had a shout out yet. That's two of my artists and I haven't had a shout out yet. I gave you that drum kit at me. No, I love Ian. I love Ian. Ian's a lodge.

At Aguardo Bush, who is our Tama, UK rep. What up? I hope you're having a lovely Christmas. Oh, I have you having a lovely Christmas. I know you're having a lovely Christmas because it's all over your fucking story. What a wonderful, what a wonderful time he's having right now.

Father Christmas himself right there. He is the most Christmas man you've ever met in your life. Yeah, I love Ian. I love Ian. He's wicked. He is a fucking, yeah, I feel like having kids must change Christmas.

Obviously not yours is a fucking little, tiny little thing right now, so he doesn't give a shit. But when they get to like, Ian's kids age, it must be like the highlight of the year. Mate, definitely. I remember being a kid

It was fucking the best time ever But December for me is a nightmare My girl, my fiance's birthday is just before Christmas And now we've got a kid So December is gonna be fucking Financially Stress

Put some more dick picks up On the old only fans, boy You know what? I said something yesterday on Instagram I was like Oh, you're a musician Oh can you post out my ad For no money

And then uh I saw that what was it Go on call them out Who was it? No, no, no, it wasn't. It was just, um, I can't remember what I was doing. I was on, like, some random person's page, just, like, browsing Instagram, and I was like, fucking hell, mate.

Do you know what I mean? You've clearly bought followers, and yet you're getting paid fucking bank for posting out of teeth whiting strips. And all you've done is, like, get a fake tan and fucking get covered in shit tattoos. But anyway, that makes me sound really negative. I'm not. I'm not. Who is it?

Who is that? Come on. No, mate, it was just like, I'm just generalizing. Do you know what I mean? I was on, um, I've, I've got another Instagram page. and we uh like all the all the explore page is just that that sort of vibe do you know i mean yeah no fuck i can't actually say this i'm going to have to edit this because that is slander in it at someone's company no it doesn't work it's fucking shit that is right hang on let me just

write this down let me just write down what moment i have to 21 58 cut out slander off i love that company yeah all right and i'll leave this bit in so people will wonder what it is. But yeah, the whole fucking influencer like, you know, I like to make fun of it. But at the same time, and I get it for the podcast all the fucking time,

like people that want to put ads on the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just fuck off. Like, I don't want to try and sell fucking mattresses. Are you listening to this? Like, actually, I do need a mattress. While we're talking about snare drums, I do actually need a mattress.

Shut up. I know, I know. It's fucking, yeah. I bet you get the old, like square space, fucking wicks, all that. No, I haven't got any of the big ones yet. I've got, I've had like companies that work for the big ones saying we can do that and all that.

And it's like, and I've gone into it and had a look. And it's all, it's all like you get a percentage of the sale. Yeah, which is bollocks. Because like you said. Who's going to buy a mattress? Yeah, maybe one person. Like, oh, good. 20 fucking P.

I'll get 20 P. Even if it was 20 quid for like, for completely ruining the appeal and like, aesthetic of my podcast by going, Hey, did you have a shit night's sleep? If you listen to the podcast,

you'll know that I also have a shit night's sleep, but now I've got a lovely mattress from mattress for you.com. Yeah, mate. Use the code, fucky, fucky, cunty bollocks for 20% off. Fucky,

fucky, cunty. Mate, I, I listen to a podcast quite a lot and it's the same it's ads and ads and ads

and what happens is I always go right I'll skip this but then I always over skip it so I miss like the first bit and then I have to go back where does the actual fucking podcast start and then I'm like right I'll give up

isn't it that's why I do the merch hopefully people just pick stuff up if they like it enough then they don't have to advertise but you know what I think might be changing I think

when Amazon controls the world, eventually companies will just start selling directly to people because that's the only way you could beat Amazon's prices is by the actual company selling. And if it came to that point when like your symbol company and your drum company or whatever had like a shop now online, then you could give artists affiliate codes. Yes. And then they could actually, you know, as well at the moment we just get free gear, don't that's our sort of payment for doing stuff.

At this point, I'm not fucking paid to play anyone's product, but I do get free shit, which is sick. But you could then turn that around and sort of monetize where I would be like, you know, I'm playing these sticks. They're fucking sick if you go on Vic Firth.com and use this code. And then that's more likely for people to use it. Mate, it's such a good idea. Yeah, it's such a good idea.

Because I feel like the industry needs something like that to happen because it's, yeah, I don't, I don't want to sound like a fucking monie prick here, but it's like with, you know, without artists and drummers and bands and, you know, just drummers in general, these companies won't sell products, do you know what I mean? It's that simple. And I feel like when you do have a really influential artist on a brand, like, great, you're giving them free gear and stuff. And obviously, in a roundabout way, that does kind of.

put food on their table, you know, you're just giving them free stuff to tour with and that makes the money and whatever. I get it. But it's crazy how within this drum world, you, you don't get paid from people like that to advertise or market or be in a video or whatever. It's weird, in it? Like, in every other industry, let's say, I don't know, I'm trying to think of one, like, protein world or whatever. Oh, can you be the face of our new protein? Yeah. cool. Yeah, we can't pay you though, but we'll give you it for free. It's like, it just wouldn't happen. People would do you know what I mean? But I would accept that. Yeah, I'll accept that. Yeah, same. Yeah. But yeah, I hope something like that does happen. Because I think that's a really

cool way of like encouraging musicians and drummers to like really promote a product. Do you know I mean? In aid of selling it. But yeah, no, that's a cool way. I think it would, it would make more sense with like drums and shit because the outgoing for drums is much more so you'd get more of a percentage but then also they'd only have to give you

I think the big dogs at Tama I'm not a big fucking dog but I think the big dogs get a free kit every two years if it is in one of the new finishes because then obviously that sells the new finishes obviously I don't get that I just get a fucking

discount and then some time shit for free if I've been a good boy. But with like symbols, I honestly feel like I am getting paid because have you seen how much a fucking symbol is? Me? When was the last time you bought a symbol? Let's be real.

When was the last time you bought a symbol? Fuck. Yeah, fucking ages ago is a point. Over 10 years ago, yeah. Right, so I put in like, I got a bunch of symbols recently and just for a laugh, I put it into Tom and I was like,

I wonder how much this would have cost and it was like four grand. I know, mate. So, so really, mine will just pay me four grand.

But it's like, at the same time, I definitely know that I've sold them a lot of symbols. Yeah, yeah, for sure, man. Maybe not four grand's worth.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Obviously, other people don't crack as many symbols as me. I don't crack that many, but a metal band touring fucking for six months out of the year I'm obviously going to crack symbols.

mate that's that's why I'm going back to my side little cheeky plug great but now but like the reason why I price it's so low which is like two 30 a week two pound 30 a week is because mate I know that being a drummer I was skin throughout my entire life because you know drums every penny we have goes on sticks symbols skins like you know or putting yourself on tour putting yourself

or just buying any other equipment, whether it would be microphones or cameras or whatever, or electronics and stuff. You know, drums are so, they're so expensive. And that's why I just feel like, yeah, if you, for me to kind of like, okay, I want to teach people, well, how do people afford to be taught, especially online, while I price it as low as I possibly can't, do you know what I mean? But yeah, mate, playing drums is so expensive, so expensive. Yeah, I did a thing.

If I have a kid, if I have a kid, I'm never going to, it's going to be like, I want to be a drummer. I'm going to be like, shut the fuck up. You are playing guitar, my friend. You are playing something without all this gear. Mate, I'm saying to Travis now, I'm like, mate, you're going to be a doctor, mate, yeah? You're going to be a doctor. You're not going to be a drummer.

Although I would love to see him, like, play a beat. Do you know what I mean? I'd love to see him behind a kit. There's no way that's not happening. But what I'll do is I'll teach him the drums to start off with, and I'll be like, look, look, son. This is a mugs game. What you want to do?

You want to do the thing with the least amount of equipment possible. And that is actually, you're going to be a vocalist, my son. Yeah, exactly. You know. Or daughter. I'm fucking starving. So I'm going to put some food in the oven, right? But I didn't know.

I didn't warn you that I've got to do top five bands or artists that you've got to do now. All right, cool, cool. I haven't warned you. So what you're going to do, you're going to start with number one while I put a lovely bit of salmon in the oven. Okay. I'll still be able to hear you, but I'm going to be away from my microphone. Okay, yeah, all good. So what I'm going to say?

I'm going to say it out loud now, yeah? Well, hang on, I was in the kitchen there. Yeah, just, you know, sort of start talking about your top five bands. I'm going to be like two minutes. It's fine. Okay. Ciao. This is such a hard one, mate.

I listen to a lot of tinfall in the background apparently. I listen to a lot of sort of hip-hop at the minute. Most people think that's because I'm trying to be cool. But I actually do love it because it's very rhythm-based, drums, vocals. So I would say, I mean, let's go on my Spotify at the minute. Let's go out, let's check out my Spotify. mate Phil Collins oh my god Phil Collins what's the album

he's probably my number one artist at the minute I absolutely love Phil Collins at the minute he's so good I haven't got any signal I would say Phil Collins I love a bit of Travis Scott what else

Phil Collins Travis Scott so hard It's so hard. I'm a Spotify man at the minute. I just listen to singles. Love a bit of turnstile. Love a bit of turnstile. What else?

That's three. I need two more, mate. Metallica. I'm back. I'm back. Metallica. Metallica. Metallica, Matt.

All right, let's go. What's your air? I made so much noise in there. I fell over the dog's bowl. I dropped the foil I ran into the fucking big bit of tinsle that's down around the staircase was a nightmare

What's your favourite Metallica album? I would say either And Justice For All or Black Album Black Album just sounds Yeah yeah Justice Rule The Black Al It's just sick

It just sounds fucking amazing It's got the best drum sound of all time Mate hands down The Black album And Unjustice For All was the album that got me into Metallica And I remember buying a CD in France

And I was really scared to listen to it because my brother kept to saying it's like really evil and I was like what the fuck are you on about me and then I put it in and we both became obsessed with Metallica and shout out Lars I'm yet to meet Lars I want to meet him so bad mate he seems like such a little

Sam Carter met him recently and he said he was a fucking hero hero yeah go on we're doing a festival with them in North Carolina next year epicenter fest and they're doing two nights they're doing Friday and Sunday and they're doing two different sets and we're on the Friday

I think, or the Sunday, I don't know, and I'm desperate to get him on the podcast. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to launch it now. Everyone who listens to the podcast, that's 24,000 of you per month. I want you to message on Twitter

Lars Ulrich every single day. Yeah, just fucking hassling. I want you to be on the Downbeat podcast at Epicenter and then at me. And then if we do that, 24,000 times the day, then he'll have to fucking do it, won't he? He's got his, he loves a podcast, doesn't it? He loves a pox.

I know, but he's not going to have me on his is, is he? I'm a fucking little small fry. Yeah, mate, I love Lars. Lars was one of the people that, if I met, I wouldn't know what to say. Like, I normally don't get faze by, like, sort of famous people or whatever. I just don't really care. But him and Travis Barker was another one. And James Hetfield, if I met James Hetfield, I wouldn't know what to say.

him and Bradley Walsh who I met the other week so were you going around meeting all these fucking people Josh Middleton met James Hetfield and he ruined Hetfield's day who was on side stage at fucking what's that Australian festival they used to have

and then I think Oh Soundwave They ran out Yeah soundwave And he was at sides of watching Ghost And Josh sort of Asked him for a photo And then everyone else realized

It was James Hetfield and he had to leave Yeah, I mean, I love James He's a fucking hero But yeah Yeah I mean Travis Barker, Lars O'Rick, Bradley Walsh What are you going to sort of

Try the Holy Sessions The Holy Trinity That's about it And then you've got anything else you want to plug Anything we haven't talked about Nah Because I fucking hate plugging shit anyway I just feel like a cringe guy

I'll plug it Right there's no Contract in your on your website is there? No. If you signed up for one month, you could sign up for a month, learn all the shit,

and then fuck off. Not that we're telling you to do that, but if 24,000 people did that, then you'd have a lot of money. Well, mate, it's just, yeah, mate, if you want to learn drums and you want to have a laugh and you want to be part of the community,

mate, just give it a guy, man, but there's no pressure. Yeah, I upload weekly content, so just check it out. If you don't follow me on Instagram, that's probably the best place to start, and then you can kind of see if you dig the sort of content and the way I teach and the things I talk about.

But yeah, mate, I just want to just be around like-minded people and just geek out, do you know what I mean, have a laugh. That's my aim in life now, just to have a laugh with people and enjoy life. Do you know what I mean? Fuck, yeah, me too. And I appreciate you coming on. Mate, thanks for having me, mate. Loved did you catch up?

Yeah, mate, definitely. I appreciate you having me on. We'll have to do that shred video that we were going to do. Just like a little fucking two of us doing some jamming. Mate, definitely. Definitely. I've got a track ready to go, actually. We need to get Tamer to pay for it.

You know what I mean? Ian, if you're listening, sort it out, mate, yeah? Get your hand in your pocket. Let's get down that nice gear for music studio or something. Ooh, lovely. Couple of the new Tamer kits, 2020. Me and you, trade in fours. Fuck me.

It writes itself. In 4K. And I'll have one, please. In 4K, Jesus Christ. It's going to be like, fuck. fucking, it's gonna be like Christopher Nolan on the drums. And on that note, mate, let's fucking call it. Yeah, sweet man, I appreciate it.

Absolutely legendary. It's a pleasure. Nice one man. Let's do a fake goodbye. All right. And then we'll do a real, real goodbye. Fake goodbye and you need to stop. Stop recording and then we're good.

All right, bye, mate. See you later.