The Downbeat - FIT FOR AN AUTOPSY: The Nothing That Is, Josean's Double Knee Surgery, and Pat...The Hero

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

My guests on the podcast this week are Pat and Josean of Fit For An Autopsy.We talk the band's new album The Nothing That Is, Josean's double knee surgery which left him out of the game physically and mentally, and much more.

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Since then, he's had double-kneigh replacement surgery, left the band, rejoined the band, dealt with some demons, we talked about all of that. Pat was one of the first video episodes before I got high-budget-ish, made it look nicer. Bunch of super-interesting dudes, super-amazing band. You can catch them on tour right now, finishing up their US tour at the end of November,

and then they're doing UK and Europe with psilosis. at the end of November, start of December, full UK Euro run. Check them out on that. We had a lovely chat. Will Putney's in Fit for an Autopsy? It's been a Putney month, hasn't it? It's Pat and Hocene of Fit for an Autopsy on the Downbeat Podcast.

Adultery. Adultery. Here we go. Let's start the podcast off correctly. What happened? How do we get talking about adultery? Hang on, first off, Pat. I see him. Welcome.

Correct. Thank you for having us. Anyway, I'm having me for a second time. He's been on the audio. Yeah. This is alumni. It's wonderful. How long ago? Six, seven years?

Yeah, a long time. You're like one of the, you're like maybe the eighth guest ever. Well. And I was in your old apartment. You're a flat. Yep. In Glasgow, maybe. And how things have changed.

Life is different. Yeah, because, because realistically, you were before the video got good and you were before video. Yeah. So here we are now. I mean, I'll tell you what. Hopefully. is great. Thank you very much. Speaking of coffee.

I'm sorry that we have to... I'm okay with this. This is quite good. This is very good. A little plug for me. Fellow made this new coffee machine called Aden. Looking to that fucking camera over there. Fellow is one of my favorite coffee companies.

They make wonderful products for you to brew your own coffee at home. And they made this new coffee pot called an Aden. And it's out of hand. Where are they from? They're in the States. I can't remember. But a good guy. who I've known for a really long time named Nick Trizuli is like one of their head engineers and product like new product manager guy or whatever I'm not sure of his title but he works with them and we know him the plug is too long he's a genius the plug is too long you want a free fucking machine my platform I want the fucking machine

okay here's the thing we want this machine so fellow go buy their products they're wonderful I've already just served them three ads and you're giving them another ad I'm literally a media he started. People have tuned out now. Fuck the album. Fuck the cause. Anyway, adultery. Where were we? Yeah.

How do we get on to adulthood? We were talking about mitigates some of this. Yeah, we're going to leave out how we got there, but we'll leave why we got there. Thank you. My thing is if somebody steps out or jumps out of the bag on their partner,

the partner can't be mad at the person that they step out of the bag with if they're not friends or in a, a tight friendship. And I agree. Because you don't know what that person is telling the other person. You may not exist. You don't know the answer has been spun. So if you're going to get mad at it, I think it's silly for a grown man to find out that

his lady stepped out and then be mad at the dude. Because in reality, you would do it. Anybody. You know, if you think that there's a single attractive woman that's interested in you and there's a willing situation and there's no parameters that you shouldn't be crossing the you're going to do it. And the opposite person in that relationship is to blame, not the outside person that they chose to be.

Unless you knew them, in which case, that would be like if Hoseon, you're fucking dead to me. If Hoseon made out with my wife, it would be a different kind of conversation. But like if some guy I never met before, then it would be between me and my wife. You know what I mean?

Or if it's consensual. Well, if you were like, Hey, Hoseon, come back and fuck. Come back my wife. I mean, that's a lifestyle that you want. Just pick me in JetBlue. Yeah. Good luck with her, dude.

Anyway, fuck me. What's going on? Pat, I've been hanging out with you for two days. Hoseon, I haven't seen you in six years. That's true. Yeah. What's going on? A lot.

A lot's going on. Let me just start quickly with Hoseon. Where are you living right now? During the pandemic, I went back to Puerto Rico to be closer to my family and help. So now that the band, grew, I'm able to just take one more plane, be home, and whenever they need me, I'll just show up. You're in Puerto Rico now.

I am, yeah. I don't know anything about Puerto Rico. Other than it gets fucked. You're welcome to visit anytime you want. Just make sure I'm there and you just show up. It's beautiful and crazy at the same time. Yeah, what's the climate? Like, what's the, what's the weather?

Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. It's hot the whole year. It's never cold or anything, beach weather, you know, tropical. Occasional tropical storm. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one night.

Right now, we just passed or are almost done with the hurricane season, which is always scary. It's not fun. But other than that, it's just, I just go out every day, go to the beach. My lady lives in front of the water. Is it like 12 months out of the year good weather? Beautiful. Yeah, I'm coming.

Anytime you want, man, like you show up. I've never seen beaches like that before. I live 10 minutes away from the airport. I'm fucking in. I'm going. Pat, where you? you live in at the moment the same place um just outside atlanta same area yeah same house been yep i'm still tattoo shop rose gold tattoo and traveling for band and doing the thing it's

you know i live in a suburb a couple of towns outside the city and then the tattoo shop is like in the new section of the city because they built um the new brave stadium like a mile from where we open the tattoo shop so it's like pretty busy there now it's called smyrna the area So it's like one town outside of Atlanta, but now it's like a borough. You know what I mean? So yeah, it's great. I like living there.

Because we talked a lot on the last one about the tattoo shop. I can't remember if it was, I should really fucking remember. When did you open it? Man, we got the lease. Yeah, this is what we talked about. In 2019, invested and then got shut down for six months. But we technically opened in 2020, like, right during the pandemic.

And we got really lucky. like Georgia was a little lax on you know restrictions and laws and it would shut down periodically but nothing crazy you know so we got really lucky and what I thought was going to be a lose my ass situation turned into like a pretty good situation we have a really great staff everybody that works for us as incredible dudes my business partner is also an incredible dude like so we're I'm very lucky guy like it's it's like pretty pretty crazy that it worked and we're in your five right now and it's going well. Is it a hassle to deal with it when you're on tour or have you got the people that you just go, okay, this is what's happening. I'm off. I've been friends with my

business partner for 20 years and my wife helps and we have a crew of people that I could trust with anything, which is really rare. You know, so sick. Just go away and make double money. Well, there's that whole thing, which is fantastic. Money is great. But it's also like the idea of I get to come home and not have to worry about, does my employer want to have a part-time tattooer? Because that's a hard thing. You know, a lot of, and I understand why, you know, somebody doesn't want an employee part-time. It's impossible for me to have, like, a steady clientele. Like, I've been off for about maybe six months now, seven months. So I'm pretty busy because people know I'm home. But it takes six, seven months for people to realize them back.

And then by the time they realize I'm getting ready to leave for tour again. So nobody wants somebody like that. Everybody wants, you know, somebody's going to make them money, you know. So that was my main focus on opening the shop and giving a place for my friends to be. You know, it wasn't always about money. And now, you know, the money's up and down. The economy's kind of crazy, but it's hours and it's fucking great. I love it. You can't download a tattoo though. That's the cool shit. Yes. Kind of recession proof. You would think so, but that's getting proven. I've seen that one machine, that video that it like just punches the fucking photo into the skin.

Yeah. And also with the like shitty, like we've all got pretty fucking good tattoos here. The shitty like fashion of tattoos at the moment where it's like the thin line fucking. I don't want to talk bad about the things that people have on their body. Come on. But here's what you do. But here's what I'm going to say.

Yeah. I'm not on camera. But here's what I'm going to say. Longevity will prove. I will bet you that as these people get older with their tattoos, I do, I make a lot of money repairing, fixing. Like tribal. I love tribal.

Don't talk bad about tribal. No, but tribal when, you didn't love tribal five years ago. I fucking love making money, dude. You know how easy. I know you love the tribal era. Tribal is like the easiest drumbeat that you can play. Imagine getting paid. Which is what?

The easiest drum beat? Wow. If you had to pick what would be the most simple. Well, some Phil Rott, ACDC. You know, got. You know, it's tribal. You know, just, yeah, that's tribal. Have you got any tribal?

Have you got any tribal? I don't. Have you? I don't have any. I want it. I want, so it's not sure. I want like an ironic tribal tattoo. That's what I'm saying.

It's not good. You like it because it's ironic. No, but then you got dudes like Lou, uh, Luseleta. Let my same name are. I think so, right? Yeah. He's just like this incredible. Kerry King.

Like, Carrie King's tattoos are awesome. They are. They are sick. When I saw it's what I'm saying. Like Louzaletto is like, he's like, He's like known for like the tribal, like part of, big part of the tribal movement in the States. He's got a few Paul Booth's pieces.

Paul Booth was another one. You know what I mean? Like black work stuff. But Paul Biff kind of like, it wasn't like tribal. No. No. He did like creepy tats.

But he did all of Kerry King's tribal. When I was a kid, all I wanted was Paul Wiff tattoos. Yeah. Dude, Paul Booth was just like, no, I just want traditional. I got to meet him and he was just like the nicest dude. and then you go look at his tattoos. Like, God, it's so, like, it's like the devil. You know what I mean?

Like, and then there's dudes like Bob Tyrell that also pull that style, like incredible. Incredible tattooers. I think tattooing moves through phases the same way music and movies and all of those things. Like traditional tattooing for a long time, nobody cared. Everybody had like biker tats in the 80s and early 90s. And then, you know, big like new school tattoos happened in like the 90s into the 2000s. And then that classic style came back like late 90s and. 90s, 2000s and more people started doing traditional and neo-traditional tattooing.

So I think it moves in waves. And I love that. I think it's beautiful. I think it's beautiful. It's a bunch of tribal. It's a bunch of something. It's just cool. Have you got any insane tattoos?

Insane how? Weird or... Maybe not. You got nothing. I got some like 90s new school stuff that's pretty wild. Like on the front of my shin, like this big crazy demon with like this comic book. I'm talking like dicks. and like, no nothing.

You got anything. I got the word tits. Do you do on me? Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Just the word tits. It's a heart with a banner that says tits. And then a friend of mine from New Jersey,

she has a heart with a banner that says ass. Nice. And it was just done as like a joke thing. I don't think I have any either, but I feel like I want one. I got, I worked at this shop in New Jersey called White Lotus Tattoo. And I left the door open, but put the alarm on.

So, The wind blew the door open and the alarm went off. And I did it twice in like a month because I have been leaving the shop late. So they made me as a punishment get a key tattooed on my hand here. So I got that if you look right here. Where is it? Right there you can see the half key going in and out. Oh, nice.

Yeah, that were like, this will fucking remind you. Is that when you were a apprentice? No, I had been tattooing for a couple of years. But it was like a good goof, you know. And I just rolled with it because it was a fun. funny as hell. We had a nice little day yesterday, didn't we? We did. What do we do? We went to the metal fest, New England metal and hardcore, and I got to see a bunch of good friends and good friends bands played. The lineup was crazy. It was crazy. It was a little bit like, um, for me,

it was a little bit prophetic because I go through stages of listening to converge. Usually when I'm in mental dire straits. Understood. But just three, four times a month. Uh, yeah, no, once a month at least. But this whole last week, all I did was listen to Converge. I was, Converge is my emo music. Sure. And then fucking things worked out. I had to cancel plans. I had to do all this other stuff.

And then it ends up on at the Metal Festival watching Converge. And they played every song I wanted to fucking hear. Yep. They were great. The hard thing about it was there were so many bands that I wanted to see. I was sacrificing every set. Every band on that stage I wanted to watch. Yeah.

And then like Zabalba played. and Missing Link played. And there was just so many bands, so many friends, Machine had played, Kill Switch played, like all these bands playing at the same time that I just wanted to see them all. So I had to like sacrifice. I'm bummed that I missed a few sets.

But it was the same thing I always do. I'm like, okay, I saw this band not too long ago. So I'll go see this band. But that's the hard thing about a festival, you know, picking and choosing who's the most important to see. I fucked up, right? But we did watch Will's bands, both of them. No, this is how I fucked up.

I'm listening. I got really hungry around 3 o'clock. Brendan? After we had lunch? What did we have for lunch? We went to the Abbey. Yeah, I wasn't lunch. You had a real lunch.

I had like a little bowl of hash or whatever. I knew that I wasn't going to get to eat again. So I didn't eat that much. And I got hungry around maybe 3.30. And then Brendan was like, oh, I'm going to Keynes with my friend. We'll be back in time for better lovers. We were not back in time for. better lovers and then the first i see jordan he was like how was it and i couldn't do it i couldn't

i couldn't lie i like grace i had to go i shook my head and he was like oh my god that bad and i was like i went to canes bro but i saw them really recently so that's fine but i feel so fucking bad i just in the podcast with them i wanted to see them i want to say something crazy i was here for both rehearsals both end and better lovers i got to sit and you were here too both of those bands practice for like eight minutes and then play perfect sets. I mean, eight minutes is the entire end set anyway. Well, it's like twice the end set.

They played a half an hour. Yeah. And all of their songs. All 15 of their songs in a half an hour. But, you know, I love that stuff. Like Drop Dead's like one of my favorite bands for that. They were just great. Matt is such a monster drummer.

And then to see better lovers get up and do something completely different and will be able to mentally lock into two different sets, like they played what, an hour and a half apart from each other. And it was just like, like right there. There's something about that, you know, like because I feel like I have to lock in. Of course, yeah.

To some kind of certain mentality to play the fit stuff, you know. And just watching Will like shift gears, it's impressive. You completely different bands. I'm not kissing my friend's ass, but it's pretty nuts. I've got a theory about Will though. I have the same theory. It's the one we argued about on the way up there.

Oh, not that theory. Not that dude. My theory is like when we were all fucking touring, touring, he was sat in a chair. He was at home perfecting it. He was perfecting the music and the production. Yeah. So like, now he's doing.

Now he's 20. Like in touring years, he's 20, 21. So he's like, yeah, let's go. Oh, yeah, we'll all get in the van. Like he doesn't care about, he doesn't care about a bus, doesn't care about that shit. Why do you think he doesn't come play with fit? I think it's a couple of things. I think,

one, at this point, we're a pretty well-oiled machine live. And to add a cog might make it tough. Sorry, if anyone doesn't know, Will Putney is in fit for an autopsy. Yeah, he's, Will Putney is the principal writer

in fit for an autopsy. But he doesn't tour. He doesn't tour. We all do our jobs. We all write our parts. We all get involved. But Will is the creative guy. He's the mind.

Yeah, I talk about this. all the time. Like, we catch heat for it. Oh, we'll put any blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, do you know how many bands? Number one are paying producers to actually write songs for them. Yeah. So don't. Wait, what you mean you get a lot of heat? What's the heat? People will be like, oh, yeah, this guy's in the band, but he doesn't tour. And it's like, that's not real. He writes all the music. And it's like, there's always one guy in every band. It's every band. It's every band is like that. I'm sure.

Australia's two is, yeah, you and Tom. But you're the drummer. So Tom's writing every riff. you're not writing guitar parts, you're writing drums, right? Maybe sometimes. I write Musugur. Okay, well, there you go. I write my sugar because it's just one note. Right, it's one note. But yeah, you write patterns.

Majority me and Tom and everyone. For example, with me, whoever knows what Will does. And will actually, sorry. Whoever does, whoever knows what Will does, he programs drums. And when I listen to those songs, I don't have to worry about anything other than being able to perform it. Yeah.

Because a lot of times they're great ideas. he's thinking about great songs, not necessarily great drum parts or whatever. It's the whole song that it's important. So at home I'm freaking out because I'm listening to some very difficult stuff that he just programmed. But I don't have to worry about anything.

I know that whatever he sends me is going to be awesome. And that's going to be what ends up on the record rather than you learn it and then it goes with it. It pushes us. I have to figure out how to do that. Do it note for note? you learn exactly what he writes.

I try to. I try to, at least in the studio, I had to respect that he did what he did, that he's creating something, and I remove myself from it, and I try to give him whatever he wants. Sometimes it's not easy, as you might know. Oh, yeah.

It's so crushing. It's so crushing. You can do it. That's the line. But it is what it is. And I just follow him, because I don't know how to make records. I'm just trying to make,

the boy's happy with whatever drums I can perform. And he pushes me to do stuff that I still don't think I can do properly every night. Yeah. In that sense, it's a challenge. In the beginning, it felt weird for me because I just didn't know the dynamics of that. I didn't know that that's what bands did. I didn't know that. Everybody thinks it's a band in a room writing size.

People still think that. When I'm like, I'm in a band in America, they're like, oh, how do you have band practice? Yeah. What are the day before the fucking tour? Four days before the tour I fly in. I don't practice with them to learn the songs. Whenever we meet, I have to have it. We just perfect them.

Have you got a set up in Puerto Rico for your kit? Yep. And slowly I've been building it closer to what I use here. You know, so I can, right now I practice with garbage. Because I like trying to make garbage sound good. So when I come up here and I have all the technology, available in the world, it's easy. I love that.

Especially if you're just like just using pads or something. Yeah. You get that little fire in your belly. I don't even have a computer. Sounds good. I don't have a computer yet. I just learn it by here. Try to figure it out when I come up here that I'm able to dial in in that world.

I perfect the little things. But I know the song. I know exactly how it goes. I can play all the kicks. So whenever I turn on my trigger, easy. I don't have to... Oh yeah, no triggers practice and then go... Real drumming.

I only use triggers live. I only use triggers live. I practice with just a drum set and my... I thought about switching to triggers live just for fun. Well, you know what it is? I like the way they sound. They sound great. I like the idea...

Okay, so it's cheating. Like, no. It is not cheating. We'll tell you the thing. It's kind of cheating if you do doubles. Yeah, sure. Kind of cheating. But listen, here's the thing.

I'm right. I'm fucking. So, yeah, I agree with you. Here's the thing I'm going to say. Not every room sounds the same. Not every sound system sounds the same. Not every microphone sounds the same. But you want to know what?

His kick will sound the same every night. If you're triggering a snare, it's going to sound the fucking same every night. And my guitar tone, the reason I don't use cabs and mics anymore and as much as I staunchly stood against it for such a long time. And I said to everybody, until I find something I truly like, I will use cabs and I will use heads. now my guitars sound the same every fucking night. There's no microphone, no bad cable, no bullshit. It's just what it is. So having the ability to have his kick, you know, we use a mic,

he gets 70% from the mic, and that 30% on top with the click, it changes the game. It's also up to the engineer to decide if he needs it or not. And it means if you have a shit, I assume you don't travel with a monitor. engineer. No. Well, we're all ears and we run our ears ourselves. It helps them to lock in. You just have trigger if you want. But in the front, for example, if we have someone like Woody, he will use it at his discretion, you know, if he feels like this room doesn't need it and we're

killing it with just the mic, it's up to him. Yep. And he's also cut the mic and just on triggers. I just want to have all the options. Or the mic cable goes. Yep, it's no problem. Correct. Or vice versa. Yep. And, you know, having those options changes the game for you live. Everybody always says, fit sounds incredible live. We sound incredible because we have Will, because we have Woody, because we had Cam before Woody. And people that taught us different things showed us different ways. Hey, this band does this. This band does that. It's a constant learning curve. And I haven't always being able to think like this at super old school. And I had the pride of never using triggers. And I also don't worry about playing that. fast so I feel like I don't need it. Yeah. But man, there's bad nights where I'm tired. We just flew in. I'm yet like, and I might need a little help that night to give the kids whatever they deserve. And also, there's sort of bills that you guys play. You don't want to be

the only band without triggers because to the person in the crowd, they just go, that drummer is worse. He sucks. Yeah, because they're not getting that sound like here at home. Because of these bands that we tour with and how much they use digital. There's this new industry standard that if you don't sound like the record, you know, the days of throwing an extra breakdown on the end of something are gone because we have to use a click and it does suck the life out of the live show a little bit, but we sound like the CD. I do play better.

I play better with just the mic. Yeah. Meaning that whenever I'm very conscious about having the triggers, I have to play different. You have to approach it different. But lately, I've been not worrying about it. It's up to the engineer. Why do you have to approach it differently? I can play way dumber when I'm just playing with the... Is it like double triggering and stuff like that? Yeah. When I'm using triggers, I have to be more precise and balanced different. But when I don't have it, I can just go full on without any concerns. But there's always parts during the set that whenever I go on YouTube and listen,

and I can't hear those little tiny kicks. Yeah. That's where we use the trigger, you know. So it will be up to the engineer. If it's a super fast double part, he can raise it, you know? It is super important to have an engineer that moves with the band. Correct. They bumps up the snare reverb on a breakdown.

It's the same thing with guitar solos. Eventually, the engineer knows where Pat needs a little more volume to show his stuff. You know. My bullshit. We might as well talk about your fucking music then. While we're nearly, while we're nearly talking about your music, we're talking about it live.

October 25th. New record. The nothing there is? Yeah, me. Good is it? I mean, it's okay.

What do you mean it's okay? Yeah, it's fucking great. You know what I noticed? It's the first thing I noticed like it. It's a fucking at the gate style song. Oh, oh, there is.

That was the one that popped out to me. I was like, oh, we're in Sweden now. Saviour of None, it's a single. And it's great. bouncy, heavy, groovy. It does all the melodic death medley things that I like.

It's really good. We're all huge at the gates fans. And, you know, we can go dig way deep into the melodic death metal thing that we like. But, yeah, we pull a lot of influence from them in general. You might not hear it as much because sometimes it goes back to like even earlier versions of at the gates that they're pulling from like morbid angel and carcass and all these bands. and we're all pulling from that stuff too. You know, so those bands influence the shit out of us, but that style of playing is so fun.

I always feel like Fit Records have like a multitude of different styles. Oh, 100%. Our songs are, there's always like a thing that ties them together, but you can hear like maybe what Will's really influenced by at that moment. I'm glad you mentioned that because I said drummer is very satisfying for me. because if I can be honest, I don't listen to Death Corps. I've never listened to Death Corps.

I'm a punk rock drummer. I love death metal. I love Trash. So when I joined Fit, I was able to just play everything because they wanted the hardcore breakdowns, the death metal parts, the punk beats.

And I'm like, oh, very satisfying. Yeah. So if you listen to our records, it's a lot of everything. I think that's why I got stoked. when like deathcore came out and I know at the time all the fucking death metal elitists didn't like it and all this stuff but in my head I was like I love death metal and I love hardcore and they've put the two together like yeah well if you go back and start listening to like early

new york hardcore bands like early early stuff like demise who a buddy of mine played guitar and um he was also in madball this dude beto um he was in asphyxiation and they were were like fucking metal band you know and then demise happened and then marauder happened and marauder is just like a death metal real straight forward death metal band accepted in the hardcore scene and then bands like all at war hundred demons all these metal influence hardcore bands and then you got like suffocation suffocation with breakdown with you know hardcore influences listen that's where i was going with this you go back and you listen to early morbid angel suffocation all of the those records have breakdowns, all of them.

So like the death metal argument like, um, breakdowns, it's not in real death metal. I'm like, what real death metal are you listening to? Because I've seen all these bands in their heyday. And like bands like IB and like all those bands that like spawned in that, what, third generation maybe ish, they're all obituary has break. They're all heavy fucking bands.

I think what it was, and I'm going to say this and I've never said this, before, but I really believe this. It's because death cord dudes didn't look like death metal dudes. And it was this weird thing where... They were getting pussy. Yeah.

They were getting pussy. Bro, yeah. It was this weird thing where, like, death metal dudes were, like, feeling like they were being invaded. Like, these people were coming into their world. Stealing their women. Didn't belong. Like a Viking thing. I don't know. I'm not going to get... I'm not going to overly sexualize

this conversation. Oh, stop. But what I... You on camera is so fucking funny. What I will say is that you're right. You know, dudes with white belts and like weird haircuts are like better at guitar than, you know, grimy death metal dudes. You just described Ian Watkins, so we're not going to go down that one. But you understand my point. Like, you have these really talented guitar players that don't look like they belong there.

And then you had bands like necrophagist where like, Muhammad was just... Just a guy. It was just a dude. He looked like he could be your accountant. And then he got on stage and it was like, blah, blah, and singing and play. And I think it intimidated people. It intimidated your, like, regular death meddler. Think about necropho just every day.

They're so good. I know. Just come back, bro. Yeah, I don't know. You want to know what I heard the dude's doing pretty good. Mercedes-Benz. Living his life or BMW or somewhere. One of those fancy engineering company.

Like, you know what? I've told it on the podcast before. I don't know if it was on our one. Maybe you actually heard from me. Maybe. But I taught with him in like 2006. Yeah. And his parents didn't know that he was on tour in a band.

Really? And he worked for, I'm pretty sure it was Mercedes. And he would tell them that he was on a work trip. And then he would go and be in this huge death metal web. Huge. And you know, like, look at how many bands spawned from that. None is good. No one's as good as next phrase is.

In that technical death metal thing, they just, he's like fucking moats up. He is. But I think the thing that I didn't love, like, necrophages is a band. Hoseon knows. I really liked that band. But like, after a while, I could only listen to, like, half a record because it was so much. No, breakdowns. Unrelentingly had.

You needed a breakdown. But then you had, like, beneath the massacre that- Right-down. Did the thing that he did differently, but still technically there. And then the breakdown. And it was a lot. It was so fucking heavy. Everybody forgets about that band.

I don't. That song, Nevermore, with the late snare. Do you remember that came out, if you don't know? Beneathamasker had a song with a breakdown. And the snare was so fucking late. It was almost out of time. You were like, it's like it missed the train. Yeah, it was like, do, do, dun, da, and they,

and for it was like a brief period of six months where every other band did it after that. Yeah, of course. But none of them were as good. It was never as good. Bring that back. I think straight, I did it. I think I stole that all day and a night

and break down on that. I was like, let's make this there really late. No one noticed. I mean, because it wasn't as good. It's just one of those things, man. And so I really believe,

and rightfully so, that death metal dudes felt a certain kind of way because they created a world that was so looked down upon. And then you have these haircut guys with their, you know,

things going on. They're tight jeans and the, you know, looking super pretty. coming up and making it popular in a way where it was never popular for them. And I understand that kind of like disassociation, like why you would want to be separated from that. But I also think that like things evolve, you know, and metal and hardcore, like punk rock became hardcore punk became hardcore, became metalcore, became death core. Like hardcore is ever changing.

And I like it all. I like it all. Every face. Yeah. I feel the older you get, the more you just realize I like all of this. When I was younger, I was a reason to argue when you're young. You get into it and you're like, yeah, it's not the real thing. This is the I only like this one.

And then you get older. I'm like, this is really good. It all depends on how I wake up a certain day. Like some days I want to listen to old punk. And then tomorrow I wake up at like the most dead metal dude. And next day I'm listening to jazz. Mine goes in seasons. Absolutely.

I'm like, and it's the two that stay the same every time. So beginning of fall, I'm on an insane. Type of negative. No, I mean, that's, that's year-round. Insane opeth kit. Okay, sure. Like the minute pumpkin spice lattes are on the menu in Starbucks, I'm on an OPEF kick. Blackwater Park on immediately.

And then when it gets into true winter, I'm in my black metal. Yeah. And then start spring, death metal. Yeah. You know what's funny? I can't, I never got. black metal couple couple bands here and there who were the couple i like 1349 yeah it's just hell fire great really

scary and like yeah i like that rules yeah and you know some of the dark throne stuff no emperor production always scared me away oh you talked to that dude recently right yeah ever's great they're great but like i like the newer stuff better because it's from me yes the premedias has had the death metal production it's so much better should check out ishan's solo stuff. Okay. Just sounds like Emperor with good production. Yeah. I like, I like some of it. Dream rules. Also, there's a lot of the, a lot of the racism. Well, that's a whole other thing. That throws me off a lot of blackmail. Give me a break. Like, come on. Like, there's no reason for that. It's not unnecessary.

Yeah, there's the, I agree though, but the black metal I do love. I do. Cradle of filth. Love cradle of filth. Yeah. And theatrical black metal. So anything symphonic, I'm fucking. Yeah, I'm in. Demi war gig. Yeah. Do you mo is the best. I love Dima. But I, I'm, I I will argue that Dimu is not a black metal band. I will say that they are a symphonic death metal band. It's more death medallely to me because it's got... First two are black metal. I don't know.

They're black metal to me. I think it's on the cusp. Enough that I love it. What's the name of that record? Britannical. With big markers. Oh, dude. Yeah.

I got to see them at... But that's the thing. That one and the one after it. And then... Yeah, but it's got a lot of death metal influence. I think Nick is the reason because he's, it's like, the drums are chaos and like. I got tattooed next to him before. And I didn't even know he was in the same thing.

We met him on the Sepulterre tour. We did with him. And he's the sickest dude. I've been buddies with another set up. What was he playing for? Lockup. No, he just came to hang out. He was playing for lockup at the time.

But he just came to hang out because he's buddies with the go to the guys. He's fucked right now. Yeah, he's not doing. He's not doing. He's not. He's not. When I saw him in person, I got. kind of intimidated because yeah he looks like a new york hardcore guy i was like oh that's nick

i was getting tattooed it was like this this tattoo is like my third tattoo or something and i was getting tattooed and some guy was telling all these stories next to me i couldn't see because i was in pain i was like fucking 18 years old yeah and he was telling all these stories and then i've managed to the whole the whole thing i figured out as your drama and i was just like we got in turning around i was like it's that nick barker behind me and then like he was stoked because like i knew who he was whatever he was really nice um but like dimu yeah those two albums i love them and then like i like tracks off the ones after it yeah just come back and be good you know the story with nicholas cage go on oh my god if you don't know this story i'm gonna hit you with this story i don't know if this

is an exclusive i fucking hope not let's go this is what i heard this is the rumor this is the rumor so nicholas cage's son big black metal fan he's got a band i can't remember what they called takes him to see dimmy ball gear shagrath and nicholas cage's wife hit it off she leaves nicholas cage for shagraph from dimmy boarge

pretty crazy i don't think they're together now but if you're back to the adultery if you're gonna do it do it with the black metal guy i guess so you think she heard the riffs yeah she heard the riffs and went well it might be some like blue shit yeah crazy but yeah that's chagrat's beautiful have you seen

Yeah, he's, yeah. But so's Nicholas Cage. Come on. Nick Cage is great. And I feel like that was like, maybe it was Nick Cage, like. I like weird actors a lot. Nick Cage is a weird actor. Have you seen Dream Scenario?

I haven't seen Dream scenario. It's fucking awesome. I want to, but that pig movie, it's fucking incredible. Basically, it's like about, he was in the restaurant industry, broken chef, got a truffle pig. And that was his career and somebody steals the pig. and it's just like goes down this rabbit hole. Yeah, he's on some wacky movies at the moment.

That weird movie he did with the animatronic, uh, possessed animatronic animals like, Willie's Wonderland or something like that. I need to stock up on him. Nick Cage has been getting it lately. Am I a cuck? No. For you, yes.

No. So are you a cuck, though, for Will? Like, is Will pulling all the strings? It depends on how you want to look at it. I think creatively Will pulls 80% of the strings. Mm-hmm. I have a lot to do. with imagery.

We agree a lot when it comes to like subject matter for lyrics. And we talk about all that stuff. We decide kind of like where we want to go with the lyrics. Lots of like current social events. We're not, you know, writing about getting chased through the woods by a murderer.

Which fits always been. Yeah, we've always been a pretty outwardly political with our lyrics and... I feel like you get away with it because no one knows. I think. if they went in and read a little bit more. You'd lose fans. I don't think we'd lose fans. But you know what? Here's the funny thing.

I think you'd lose fans. Well, whether or not we would lose fans, that's, I don't think we care them. I don't think we care. If you don't want to fucking... That's the same of us. Like, we were just talking about... Yeah, we were just talking about black metal and some of the things that they do. And I know a lot of people that listen to that music that are not like that. So it's like, you're going to lose fans because, like, we believe in something that's maybe different than you. like that's the whole point of living in a country with freedom.

It's a whole point of being here. So we can have different points of view, discuss them, and, you know, be reasonable people. Like, yeah, if you're a hateful, you know, fucking piece of shit, then, sure, I got no time for you. But we can have a disagreement about something and talk about it. But like Black Mammoth is a really great example. Like, we released that song.

Black Mammoth is the one about indigenous. It's about the oil companies. and all the crazy stuff that was happening. And, you know, we talked about, well, not what we talked about. We made a video specifically showcasing what was going on in Standing Rock at the time, right? So we put the video out, put the song out. It's one of our biggest songs. And then we made a statement about something political that had happened that we felt strongly about.

And somebody was like, don't get too political because you're going to lose fans. And my response was, have you ever read any of our lyrics? Yeah, since literally they were. Like, we don't hide it. And from my experience with that stuff is like, yeah, you go on YouTube and you see maybe one or two comments that are like, oh, you just disappointed me or whatever. But then you go on tour and people come to you and they're like, oh my God, thank you for making that song. Yeah. I'd much rather be on the nicer side of things.

Sure. Like, no one comes up and goes, oh, my God, thank you for not taking a stand. Yeah. Yeah. And it's one thing to like have a disagreement and you don't want to listen to my band. That's okay. I'm fine. I'm okay with that.

There's a lot of things. I don't, a lot of black metal I don't listen to because some of the lyrical content hurts my feelings. And it's okay. I mean, it's not okay that it exists. I don't like it. But it's okay for me not to like it. You know, and we can have a difference of opinion and it's fine. And I just don't, I don't understand that thinking.

We're pretty political, but in a way where we write the lyrics so you can kind of attach whatever feeling to it you want. You know, like we have a lot of songs on this new record that are clearly, leaning into stuff. And if you don't like it, then that's great. But part of the great part of what I do and where we live and the things that we have is being able to speak out. We don't live in a place where

if you say something, you're going to get picked up and put away. You have the ability to do that. So if you don't like it, fuck you. I'm going to do what I want. Absolutely. Fuck off. You don't want to buy the record?

Sick. Somebody else will buy it. You don't want to come hang out with us and have a good time at our show? awesome what's the standout political song on this record there's a couple what you got just give me the headlines red horizon weaker wolves what they're about red horizon's about um the conflict in gaza and i'm just going to leave it there yep uh weaker wolves listen to it read the lyrics read the lyrics get the double meaning i promise you there's no missing it you

you will know cool weaker wolves is about um standing up against authority It's a stray song. It might be. It's brutal. Drums are cool on that one. It's fucking cool. It's probably the most aggressive song on the record, I would say. It's one of, it's fucking heavy and like...

What makes the drum so cool? The tempo? Yeah. What tempo we got? 180? I'm not sure. I don't know the numbers really. I don't pay attention to that, but it feels great to play.

The term part. There's a lot of tombs. Like, that's about 140. Yeah. Lifted music. Yeah, it's got all the stuff. When I heard the pre-pro, I was like, hell yeah. And recording it feels great.

The lyrics are really good. Joe does like a lot of really cool, interesting things with his vocals on this. Like the way he enunciates words. And there's like a talky part. Like, you know, like the weird Pantera talky part thing. It's got like some of that. And it's like fucking heavy and pissed. And like it's just.

it's just about taking a stand against authority who has been taking a stand against civilians forever and there's some real one-liners in there nice yeah it's good jo's like the nicest dude but when he gets behind a microphone something different comes out of him and you can hear the frustration in it and like he understands what it's about and it's it's it's a really cool one Demon time. Yeah, it's time to let it out. And I think Joe is like, he, I think, I think this record is all about Joe. He's, he, it's one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen him do.

There's so many different angles and so many different cool things with his voice. There's like interesting vocal patterns and like interesting, um, I guess reaches for different styles of vocal. Like he does some singing. his he does some lows brother there are some fucking lows on this record what kind of lows are we talking like a no I

I doesn't get like gutterol but it gets like almost there where Joe's really good at like enunciating so you can understand him but there's a couple that it gets borderline on this it's really good I'm I'm proud of this record in a lot of ways the solos are great Tim and I

actually play a solo back to back in a song which is like the most metal shit ever we trade off. Are you going to go back to back on state? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. We already do it now, but we're going to, we're going to back to back, rip the solo. Van Halen's shit. Yeah. Hoseon went above and beyond. Like everybody, you know, Blue did some cool shit. Like, it's really cool. Will, like, really wrote a record that he, like, gave us room to do what we needed to do. But Joe really fucking killed it, man. I'm proud of it. So by the time this comes out, you'll be on your U.S. tour.

you'll be halfway through your US tour. Yeah, sounds about right. So is there any songs you're like apprehensive about playing? I'm thinking more you, like drum part wise, but question also to you. There will be one that has a lot of double kicks. Yeah. That it's very difficult for me to perform. I use it as a workout to, you know, as a warm up if you say.

I don't remember the name of it. But people will hear it. I think it's the second track or whatever. or EQ. That one's challenging. It scares me because I've had my own issues with my legs through the years. Yeah, you were pre-knee surgery last time you came on the podcast. Correct.

And then you did it. You want to talk about that? What happened? Double knee surgery? Yeah. Because of the abuse of through my whole life of being in bands and not taking care of myself. I was very good at pushing, pushing, pushing and numbing the pain and doing everything to on the pain but not address it.

Hossein's very stubborn. Correct. And he refuses to ask for help. And as I mentioned before, I've had pride on playing hard and all that, which is cool and it got me somewhere. But I stopped taking care of myself. So during the pandemic,

I had to address some issues in my knees with the meniscus and arthritis and all that shit. So I had to relearn how to approach the drums and my relationship with it. Relearn out of walk. We learned how to work. Kind of good timing though,

pandemic. Yeah. Good and bad. Both good and bad because we were we were like writing and recording a record and it had to get done at that very particular time. Yeah, because I remember there was talk of Eloy doing it. There was some discussion with Eloy.

Yeah. It didn't work out. Yeah. And Matt did the record. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And thank God he did. Absolutely.

Because... Which one was that the last one? Yeah. Oh, with the future holes. We're over. We're over that now. Well, yeah, we're... Your boys back.

But Matt, isn't it, doesn't it suck when Matt feels in for you? He's done it for me. Absolutely. He's such a fucking freak. It pisses me off. Yeah. For drummers, imagine this scenario. I'm trying to learn how to walk, but I also have to learn Matt parts.

If I want the gig back. Yeah. The band couldn't stop. The band would have to keep rolling and I had no way to know if I was going to be able to do it again. Yeah. At the time it's depressing. At the time, it sucked for me. Like, I just...

I think you and I got a lot closer during that. It sucked. It sucked. I had to figure it out. Watching him go through that was tough. Because that... Hocene's a very prideful dude, and he takes pride and his hard work. He's also very stubborn.

Doesn't like asking for help. Tries to do it all on his own, which is great to be in a band with somebody like that, because you don't have to... I don't have to worry about him. I know he's going to be... tip top every time. But the hard part about that is that when something bad is happening,

he's also not asking for help. So he went through this mental thing where he was convinced he was going to lose his job. And at first, we were fighting a lot because I couldn't wrap myself around what was happening. And then one day I was talking to my wife and she looked at me and she goes, it sounds like he's afraid of something. And then I called him and I talked to him. And I was like, dude, I'm not going to fire you.

like I want you in my band like I don't want anybody that is currently in fit for an autopsy to ever leave it's the best group of people I've ever been around on a daily basis so they they did wait for me and I had to get it together yeah but now you're back and you're ripping it because I've heard it well it took him took him being a little bit of a bitch on the road me having me having to be like hey bro I'll fucking send you home if you talk like that again well I what kind of bitch stuff can I tell it you can tell whatever you want okay I want to make sure um He was having a real hard time connecting to the record because he felt like he didn't get to do something that was very important to him. Recording and writing these songs and doing this thing is, I think it's like Hocene's like Swan Song thing. Every time at the end of a record, he has great amount. That's trophy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His pride.

That stays when. Oh, yeah. One side eye, that stays, you know. We were first week out. Or no, it was the first week of the record. We got our numbers back. and we were all really happy and there was a text message

and I'm not going to get into particulars but Hoseon I think needed this to happen and he in a way that was taken disrespectfully by everyone and knowing now maybe I would have been a little softer about it

knowing what I know now he said I have no attach him to this record like it's great for you guys but that's what I did say but you want to know what my response was I told him like I'm happy for you guys. Yeah, my response was because it came off in a way where we were all, because we had all done so much to keep him and we just felt like he didn't understand how much he means to us as like a

friend and a bandmate and like a business partner because it's a business, you know, and I don't want to lose him. You know, he's been in it other than me and Will the longest. You know, he's my dude. And he got me so pissed in the way he reacted and like the way he interacted with us. I asked him, I said, you know how much a plane ticket from Seattle to Puerto Rico costs? And he goes, no, I said, well, I do. And he looked at me. I was like, we need to have a talk. I see myself in both of you. Yeah.

I'd have done both of these things. I was so fucking mad because the guy I love and I would give money to and fly to Puerto Rico to help and do anything for, like, he didn't believe that I cared about him that much. That's why I got so upset. And it became a thing where after the conversation, I think we're closer dudes. like now. I think he gets me more as a guy and as a person that loves him

and I think I understand him more and his dedication to himself, his craft and this project. And, you know, those are the things people miss about bands on tour. But it was, it was,

now it was good that I went through that shit because he helped me. And I think you know how much loyalty we have. It sucked to be there. It sucked. like I didn't have my head clear.

I was using every help from any drug to deal with it. My brain was fried. What drugs? Cool shit? The coolest shit that I could get my hands on. Puerto Rico sounds like you could get some cool shit. To numb the pain.

Seattle. I also don't... Drudge. Drug drugs. I don't recommend it though, but at the time, I wasn't clear. Hey, what drugs? Every pill that I could get my hands on that I will numb the pain and not make me feel a certain way. Yeah, that sucks.

Yeah. So you know that. It was time for some tough love, dude. Absolutely. So they helped me go through it. They didn't kick me out. So that's important because I did say shit that will get people kicked out from me. I was angry at everything and myself and everyone.

But I think now he knows he can come to us, especially me and Will. Absolutely. And I think now he knows that I love him like a brother and I would do anything for him. and I think I know that anything that happened was about him and not about us. And that's important when you're, you have that kind of like relationship is if you're going through something that's about you and it's spilling over, you need help. If you're going through something that I'm causing or that is caused by our relationship,

sometimes that's harder to fix. So we just spent a lot of time together. So in that sense, this new record was my revenge. I was going to say, do you feel like you got that trophy? I had been waiting for it for years, man. Like when I finished tracking this and I mean it for whoever is listening, you know, you've recorded with Will. At the end of the session, we'll sit down and listen to the whole thing

to make sure we got everything how we wanted. I started crying. Yeah. I started crying because it took me so long to be there. And I didn't kill myself just to have the opportunity to be there. Yeah. Because I told myself, well, if I kill myself, I will never do another record. This sucks, but that's how I was thinking.

Oh, I think that all the time. No, I'm. It's the only way to get. So I used making a record as an excuse to get healthier, to stop drinking how I was drinking, to stop doing all the extra stuff, and focus on myself. It's a good excuse. As being a drummer, it's a good excuse to try to stay in shape to play the drums. it's a good way of living

and it ways to be healthier. I used that and it took me closer to three years or some shit, a few tours of playing those songs that weren't mine, very difficult songs recorded by a guy that had no limitations at the time. I had this new one

but it teaches me how to approach it differently if I had to change technique the way I play, everything. That being said, when I heard the whole thing done, I was like, I don't care if it's my best performance or not. I'm just happy that I did another one. Like I promised myself.

So I started crying. I hide in the bathroom. Like, so no one will see me. But it sucked to go through that. And how is a mental state now that that's done? Because I personally, I had the same thing very recently where I was in a real dark place. And I was like, but I can't do anything. they have to do this album.

And that kept me going for three months of getting ready for the album. But then the minute I tracked the album, my brain went, okay, we've done that now. Yeah. Now it might be time. And I did the opposite. And my brain went like, oh, I've done that now. So now it doesn't matter if I fucking die, which was bad. I get excited about things and it goes away very quickly.

Now the excuse is, well, I did something great that will stay there forever, right? as long as humans can listen to music. Now I have a different task. I have to take care of myself so I can play that stuff for whoever is there to enjoy it. Because I'm an entertainer. And I love the idea of even though we play the gnarly as heaviest music, most of the people that go see these shows are happy. They're happy to meet us. They're happy to be there.

I love entertaining someone at the end of their day and make them happier. hopefully. That's why I play the way I play. That's why I exaggerate everything. It's just to give them something. So now my new homework to do is, well, that's done. That's great.

Sounds great. I like all my drumming. Now I have to play this stuff. Yeah. It's a different, like different chapters. Yeah, I feel like that's why maybe I, my thing was just like, okay, I've done that now because we don't have a tour till February.

So like, to be honest with you, right now, my brain is like, the fuck am I doing? Fishing. No, what fuck am I doing? I need to do something now. I've learned the album. That was three months of locking in. When you're a musician, like there's some dark things, right?

And people don't really get it. People don't understand it. They think it's the coolest job. But we make a joke about something that actually is really cool. The joke is, let me clear the joke up. The joke is not about the actual what the subject matter is. joke is about the fact that we kind of play like shitty music.

We're not playing like jazz or you're not like playing this beautiful thing. It's like, I don't know how to count. Dude's puking on microphones and like, you're punching your guitar and, you know, your music saved my life,

right? So it's kind of funny. It's like mine, but the truth of the matter is is that when we go to a show and somebody tells me their story, that's the fuel. It is. You know,

that's the fuel like when you're behind the drums and you got your shirt off you're all sweaty and sexy, right? Son of a bitch, right? And people look at you and they come to you after the show and you've just beaten this shit out of yourself. And you're like, you know, man, like there was a point in my life

where I identified with this song or this record and it got me through some shit. I have so much music like that. Same. And like for me to, even though I don't write every song, even though I'm playing other people's music sometimes, I'm doing something for somebody that somebody did for me.

And the difference is I'm always going to make time for those people. I'm always going to go to the merch table. I'm always going to walk around through a show. I'm always going to go to local shows. And if somebody takes five minutes to say hello, I'm going to talk to them. That is the game changer. So when you guys are feeling that way,

because when I'm feeling that way, I remember that. I remember when I was 16 and I figured out this is where I want to be for the rest of my life. We collectively do that for other people. we give them a space. And that's fucking beautiful. I think those people in my living room gassing me up there.

Yeah, sometimes. In the living room is where I'm... But how about this? When you feel that way, I can call you or you can call me. And I can say, man, feeling like shit today, this is what I miss. And then you start talking about it. And you remember how important it is. I use my drums.

I'm terrible at finding people. You know what I mean. I use the drums as therapy straight up daily. Like... Physical and mental. There's days where I'm actually fighting them. I'm pissed at maybe them or me or some situation at home. Somebody eat your Pop-Tart on the bus.

Something. It could be that real story. It could be. It could be. It could. It was a sandwich, actually. It was, uh, it was some sandwich. And I was seeing got fucking ripped the night before.

And he got on the bus. And we all watched him eat it. And the next day he goes looking for it. And he's like, who ate my fucking sandwich? And we're like, you did you fat fuck? What are you talking about? And he's like, oh, yeah. So there's days where I'm on stage and whoever is looking at me, they have no idea

I was going in my head. I'm not thinking about the songs only and being here playing music. I'm like actually pissed off. And after the set, maybe similar to going to a gym, you feel great. Yeah. I'm like, I was just being a baby, you know? Like, I feel great. I think that's an honest way to perform the music that we perform.

you get what you get that night and I meant it. Maybe I didn't play perfectly because that's not real but I try very hard, you know, and at least you'll get the energy. I think... Break those fucking new knees again. Yeah, break them in. Yeah, I'm going to keep doing it until... The dust off those.

Well, now you know you can do it, you can break them again, just get them fixed. Now I made peace with that. Like, now I'm like, what's the words that can't happen? A few years replaced them? Let's do it. Yeah. Whenever it gets that, you know, if I get there with where I think it will happen eventually. I have no issues with that because remember why am I like this.

I did everything I wanted. I used my knees to the until I had to replace them. I think I'm going to go get robot legs. It's a risky operation. That's literally cram. It sucks. It hurts and it's not the smartest thing to do. But I'm not seeing it as.

We're not here to be smart, dude. We're here to fucking rip shows. If I was playing basketball, I will keep playing basketball too I can't play anymore. Absolutely. Same thing. There will be a day where I will be destroyed. I'll let them know.

I'll figure something out. Get Matt back. Same. Yeah. Get the depression back. We're back. We're back. But for now.

For now, for as long as I have the strength and the mind and everything, I will just keep going until I cannot do it anymore. Nice. Speaking of touring, because I'm conscious of time. Okay. So U.S. tour, you're on it right now. I need, uh, where's, if the band is stopping somewhere for food, where is the mutually agreed upon

most likely place that you're going to stop for food? Is there like a band spot? Everyone likes walkies. Yeah, but you're talking about real food? I'm talking about like a meal. Better love is at P.F. Chang's. And I was like, what the fuck? And apparently that's their shit.

It would probably be like a Thai food spot. All of us like Thai food. We would all eat it. And it's something that we can all eat. There's healthy options. there's shitty fried options. Tim can get nine Thai ice teas like... He does. It's, yeah.

Yeah, Tim loves us Thai iced teas. So I think Thai food, I mean, even Joe loves Thai food and Joe's a pretty picky eater. So that's probably the agreed upon. I like it because there's days where I want to eat only veggies. Yeah. But some days I want rice. And some days I want meat and they have all. I'm a big eat by myself guy, but Thai would be the spot.

I kind of do an eat by myself. Because I'm very particular. I don't know. I like, I wake up. cup and I go to the gym and then I go for food and I like my little moment of myself. Little self time. Little self time. And then what are you doing on day?

What's like a day off? You hanging out together on a day off or is everyone like? Sometimes, yeah, it depends on where we are. Like if we're in a familiar place, like what one of the things that happens is it starts to become less, less new, more ritual. You know what I mean? So there's places that we all like to go. Like you can guarantee I'm walking two miles for a good cup of coffee.

And then Hoseon is going to, you know, he's going to wake up and do what he wants to do. Blue doesn't really care. I think Joe is like a hang out on the bus and play video games guy. And then Tim's actually probably the most exploring explorer guy. He likes to go do those things. But like if we're in a new place, we'll all get together and go see cool stuff together. It just depends on the situation. Now we, I mean, we tour so much that these places are just like, there's just places that are like home for us.

Isn't that crazy when you think about? about places are in the other side of the world, but you feel so familiar with them. It's fucking insane. I get stoked to be here because I'm like, oh, fuck. Like, I like eating at this place. Like, I like doing this. Tonight I'm going to Montclair.

I was like, oh, I can get Arne Raman. I'm 3,500 miles away from home. Watch this, London. Remember, you know, that Indian place that's around the block from that Boston music room? Yes. I'm going to go there. That's where I want to eat food. Speaking of London.

Yeah. November 22nd, UK, Europe. Yep. Silosis, direct support. The UK dates, they are co-headlining with us, and they will be headlining one of the shows, which is a London date, which is like they're big. They just deserve. Yeah, they deserve to be there for that.

And we have darkest hour on that one too. Darkest Hour. Harryot, Deb is great. Fucking sick vocals, great guitar work. Like, it's a really solid tour. That's a real. I like that band. Yeah, she's got riffs, dude.

I think they need a producer. I'm not getting into that. I think you're right. Well, you just got into it. So, yeah, okay. So I'm anyway. I like, I love. the band. I love it. I want to see

her work with Will Putney. Pretty much that is pretty much much. Come on. Will Putney and Harriet? They're already making good shit. Yeah, they have the opportunity to be like one of the biggest fucking metal bands in the world. It's pretty crazy. I just hope they don't go on there do it myself.

Yeah. I think the forever. I think bands forget that there's a reason why you know, Rick Rubin does what Rick Rubin does. Yeah. There's a reason why these folks exist and like sometimes it's more just having somebody say this is cool but you can do this better go do this better because you you you sometimes you just believe the way slip mark yeah about fucking mate feed kill repeat and then think about the self-titles yeah one of the best

metal albums of all time and then the album before it some weird fucking like they had all the things there and they just needed to arrange them properly yeah i think and i'm super excited about psilosis. Josh is my oldest friend. Listen, that dude's an actual fucking weapon guitar player. And like, I can't wait to watch those folks play.

And they're going to be on our US tour too. The US tour is Judiciary, which is Izzy from Gate Creeper's band. And then Silosis, Josh, distant, super heavy death. I'm gonna, and like my music, my hair can't be able to continue my rhythm.

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and they're really nice dudes and their singer is so excited about everything music related. It makes me stoked. And then us as a headliner. So both tours are stacked. It's going to be really fucking cool.

Happy to be out with Darkest Hour again because they're just like party machine, like good dudes. They bring the right vibe. Like these shows are just going to be cool. So the UK one is Fit and Silosis Co headline. Harriott. Who else? Darkest Hour.

Darkest Hour. So it's Harriot, Darkest Hour. Syllosis is direct support. in mainland Europe and then in the UK or co-head. And then states is judiciary silosis, distant body snatcher fit. That's too

sick line-ups. Big fucking rooms in the states. Um, Europe is selling fast right now. Yeah. UK is going to be sold out soon. Finland just sold out. Oslo's about to sell out. So those dates are just ripping right now. Um, the states is cool. We have like,

we're doing all kinds of stuff we've never done before for the states. We're doing like a, VIP meet and greet thing, which is really cool. And we put together like a really cool package for that. So if you're interested in that kind of thing, go check it out. Wait, hang on. What do you got? When are you doing Glasgow?

Why are we bothering doing this now? I don't know. This is your podcast. I'm doing whatever you tell. I mean, I was actually here by accident because I canceled to my other shit. And I was like, just give me another podcast. Well, yeah, I'm at home. I'll see you there.

Yeah. 24th of November. We're going to drink coffee and hug. Bring coffee. Oh, you can come to mine. I'll make a night. What's the venue? I don't know.

It's right fucking here. I can have a little look. I don't know that. I can tell you the first week of the US tour because I'm excited. Oh, QMU. It's weird. It's like a student fucking. It's selling good.

Buy a ticket, go see him as a fucking insane lineup. Two truths and a lie. Okay. Give me three fucking. Subject matters. Yeah. And I'm going to ask you questions.

Maybe lies. And we're going to figure out. I got a woman out of a burning vehicle. That's my one. We shut a venue down because somebody said something. inappropriately racist. Okay. And I had a dinner with Dave Grohl.

Hot potatoes. I'm going to start backwards. Yeah. From Dave Grohl. Was he with his wife or someone else? He was with his tour manager. The tour manager? Where was it?

California. What was the restaurant? We didn't go to a restaurant. Where was it? We ate outside of venue. You ate outside of venue? I had dinner with Dave Grohl, it's turned into outside of venue. What were you eating? Barbecue.

Both of you? Yeah. Where was the barbecue from? Dave Grohl was making the barbecue. He was making the barbecue. Why was he making the barbecue? Because there was a show and he was making barbecue and giving it out to everybody. So it could, okay.

Well, he played a show and then there was barbecue. There was a show. What was the show? It was a Dime Bash show. Dime Bash. Okay. I'm going to revisit this. one. Now you've given me quite, I mean, I had dinner with a day girl, Dave girl handed me a

fucking pork roll. It's like slightly different, but okay. Taking the woman out of the burning vehicle, what was the vehicle? I don't remember exactly, but I know the car was black. Black car. Where were you? Small car. New Jersey. New Jersey. The parkway. How burning? When we pulled up, we were coming down the the road the car was pulled over the side of the road and I just saw the bottom of the car was kind of like glimmering and you could kind of see that there was a little fire going under there so it wasn't like engulfed in flames and I said I got a woman out of a burning car I didn't say I pulled her out of a burning car what happened what happened um we pulled over I got out of the car

she was petrified she didn't want to put the window down I was she just in the car thinking nothing was broke down and she was calling for some help and had no idea that the car itself was on fire and I knocked on the window and I'm like hey you got to get out of the car and she didn't want to listen to me and I started yelling your car's on fire yeah and then finally she listened and got out of the car do you find that happens quite a lot because of your tattoos and demeanor people are afraid of me same it's fine yeah I look like a criminal I understand I kind of love it. I kind of wish more people were afraid of me because unless soccer moms would talk to me with my tattoos. Yeah. Because sometimes you get the opposite and everyone's just like really talkative.

About my tattoos. Yeah. And I mean, the reason I did it in the beginning was so people did not. And now everybody wants to talk to me about it and that's fine too. But okay, burning car. Was she thankful once she got out once you got her out? Yeah. Just just standard thankful not like oh my God, thank you. We kind of got her into a safe distance and got in the car and drove away. Oh, so you don't know what happened? I do because I drove back. What happened? And when we got back, the car was burnt and the fire department was there.

Completely burnt? Completely burnt. Shit. Okay, ejecting someone from the... No, no, no, no. Shut a whole club down. Okay. Because somebody said something adversely racist.

Where? On stage? No, it was at the end of a show. Yeah. We were on tour with a particularly larger band. And we're playing... The club doesn't exist anymore because of this. No, the club exists, but everybody that worked there had a really bad night.

Um, we, uh, the bartender said something unreasonably discriminatory to somebody who was on the tour package. Mm-hmm. And then, uh, turned into an argument. And he threw a cup with ice at this bartender and the bartender ran around the bar and stole the camera that this person had. Yeah. And ran out the front door with the camera and ran into four of our guys. tried to steal a $10,000 cannon camera and just run away with it

and the door opened and Tim and three other large gentlemen were standing there and it turned into a little bit of a standoff did kick his ass it didn't go the way he would have wanted it to go because his co-worker got involved and took a swing at somebody and then another person got involved

and it turned into a melee. It was all over the internet really? Yeah, yeah. What year was this? It was a he tour? Absolutely. Yeah. Now, I am torn. On which is true and which is not.

On, I feel like that one is true. Yeah. That one's true because it was too niche. Yep. The other two, that you kind of panicked during the day, they've rolled one a couple of times. You think so?

But, yeah, you can roll the tape back. Panicked. But there was some very specific, like I feel like I remember him. hearing Dave Grohl giving out barbecue at some point. And then the burning car one, earlier on, we were talking about a national tragedy. You looked at me and said, I know what my lie is. So I'm going to say number one is the lie.

The burning car. Burning car. No, that's the truth. Dave Grohl is the lie. Dave Grohl's a lie. Of course it fucking is. Well, let me tell you why Dave Grohl's a lie. Go.

That would have completely happened if when I got to NAM with my wife. Yeah, it was at NAM, I remember. Yep, he went to the Dimebash and was giving out barbecue. And I've been trying to meet him for years because I just want to pick his brain about the music industry. I want to pick his brain about pulling out. Yeah, sure. I knew that was going to happen.

Poor Dave, dummy. What's going on. What a bad look. Yeah, but you know what? I'll say this because it's my podcast, I can say whatever the fuck I want. But back, we're going to end on adultery and we started on adultery. Yes. The adultery special.

Like he fucked up. He did. For sure. Like, I feel like the internet going, oh my God, nothing is safe. Like, if Dave Grohl's doing this. Okay, so I think everyone fucks up. Yeah, but I think Dave Grohl and Keanu Reeves fall into a different category.

I think those two guys, everybody looked at them as like the champions of what good people are. And here's what I'm going to say, mental illness is crazy. and life is crazy and people don't know what happened in his life and people don't know what's happening at home and happy, sad, all these things. So what do I think? Am I disappointed?

Sure, because you want your heroes to be the best people. But also, I'm kind of a piece of shit. And my life has not been easy. And I've been through a lot of things and I can't make excuses for him because I think it sucks that it happened because you want him to be the best person.

But who the fuck am I to judge anybody? You don't know the full story. The self, the self post of it was the crazy thing to me. I was like, this should be private, bro. Yeah, but I think maybe you don't know why. Maybe it was a discussion. Maybe, maybe. You're going to lose everything.

You're going to lose everything if you don't prove to me, you know, and maybe she just wanted the world to know. Or maybe he wanted the world to know. Maybe he needed that. Maybe he's own it. Maybe he needs to own up. Who knows? Maybe he really is a good guy and did something really fucking dumb.

I don't know. But what I do know is that. I'm annoyed about the nevermind baby still, though. so yeah that's annoying that's another thing should have gave the nevermind baby a hundred grand yeah or just give them a million dollars

they're all super rich he asked for a hundred grand that was it yeah but you know instead of a hundred grand say you know what you help my band become the biggest band in the world here's a million bucks

what's a million dollars to those three dudes or two dudes yeah he's you know you're paying that in child support now yeah now he's I can say what I won okay I can do what you fucking want

the burning car thing is cool too burning car yeah so me and my wife are driving down the parkway in New Jersey yeah And she's like, is there a fire into that car? And I'm like, there's a fucking fire underneath their car.

And we pull over, knock on the window, tell her. And we're like, yo, you got to get the fuck out of the car. The car's on fire. Cars on fire. Get the fuck out. She gets out. We, sexy Greg, just walking in there. Look at them, dude.

So. What's up, baby? I'm going to, I'm going to green screen that into the better love is one. I fucking love it. And, uh, and so we get her out. We get her with safe distance. And we're like, call the cops, call the fire department. Because your car's on fire.

and we leave and this is when I was working Tom's River a few towns south we go in and on the way back like 25 minutes later car smoking on the side of the road in the fire department's there so I'm not going to say that I saved somebody or did anything crazy but we technically got a woman to get out of a car that was on fire she may have later on that day gone on to commit adultery she might have we don't know we don't know that's how we end the podcast we stopped an adultery, we end on adultery. Fit is on tour in America right now. They're going to be on tour in the UK and Europe. Sorry, I said America. The United States. Yes.

They're not in touring to South America. No, no Canada, no Mexico on this one, but there are things in the works. But I can't wait to go to Latin America. I've never been. Mexico was so fucking cool last time we were there. I cannot wait to go back.

I feel like I'll die if I go to Columbia. If you know what I mean. I do know what you mean. But that's a, that's the place. That's the place. That's the place for it. Of course.

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