The Downbeat - GUILT TRIP x MALEVOLENCE: From Underground to Global. BOTH Vocalists Tell All.

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

My guests on the podcast this week are Alex Taylor of Malevolence and Jay Valentine of Guilt Trip. We didn’t have enough time to do both bands, so given their history together as UK’s metal and hardcore siblings, I thought I’d grab them both at once. We talked about both bands’ efforts to bring their unique sounds to the USA and the culture shocks that come with it, as well as their similarities, differences, and respect (or lack thereof) for each other.

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What's up, guys? My guests on the podcast this week are Jay Valentine and Alex Taylor of Malevolence and Guilt Trip. A little bit different this week. Both bands were on tour. Both bands were in town. I wanted both bands. We didn't have enough time to do two separate episodes, so we just smashed them together. It's quite topical that we did them both together because Guilt Trip are sort of malev's younger brothers, both hailing from the same area in the UK. both sort of come up at the same time with malevolence a little bit ahead. There's a little sibling rivalry, brotherhood thing going on, and it actually turned out really good. Might do it some more.

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America, mate. That will do it. To be honest with you, that will do it. How's America? What's great? I love it, yeah. Yeah. It's a lot better than last time we were here. What was it last time? Counterparts. That sucked. Why? Great lads to tour with. Like, counterparts, pain the truth. Had a great time with those guys. Yeah. But we, it just didn't work for us. And it was like, why not? I don't really know. Like three weeks of just shows there and nobody gave a fuck. And, you know, I think it all gave us a bit of PTSD from it, to be honest. So, like, we were all a bit anxious about coming back because we just had a rough time. There all that stuff as well with, like, Wilkie losing his passport in Canada.

Oh, my God. I forgot about that. Charlie got influenza. And it was a winter tour. So it was freezing cold. Combined with, like, three weeks of the most humbling shows we've ever done, it just compounded into being this like, oh, fuck, this tour sucks. Yeah.

So coming back, we were like, yeah, it's. a little bit. I wasn't, it wasn't the excited for it, but touch wood, it's been fucking sick so far. Where, how far in are you?

Halfway yesterday. Yeah, halfway. Is this your first US tour? No second. We did Kubla Khan last year in September, which was like, I mean,

you can't really get better, can you for your first America till? For the fucking Moshe's right. You can bring the UK. I'm so glad it's doing well. Yeah. Who else is on the bill? You two?

Chamber. Yeah. And then we've had like, fucking. Bill. Yeah, we've had like locals as well. So last night we were in Louisville and we had Year of the Knife, cell intruder.

They were playing in Louville as well and that someone had the idea of, you know, it's just combined the shows. We've done that. Yeah. Remember that? The old Bristol. Fucking hell that was a lineup.

I can't even remember what it was. Stray, not loose, malevolence. Devil West Prada? Loathe. Loathe. That would be like a, Three, four thousand cab show at least. Who was on your tour?

It was not loose, or was renounced. Yeah, renounce played. That was like, yeah, you couldn't do that show. That would be an arena, one-off show. Yeah.

Probably wouldn't sell out. Still pretty good. Large academy. Still a very fucking large academy. So we're in America. This is a first for the downbeat where I've got one person from one band

and another person from another band. So I don't really. know what I'm going to do. Well, I do. I've planned it, so hopefully it's good. Let me know if you think it was shit. Because there's a miscommunication. I said I wanted one from one in the morning. No, I said I wanted one band in the morning

and one of the afternoon. We could have really could have done that one. That's really pissed me off. This is why we don't go to the press agents. You have my... I have to, though. Not with my love, you don't. I forget about that, though. Because sometimes even when I'm mates with a band, they're like,

you're hit up Casey. Can you imagine me ever say, you've got a hit on my press agent. The hair's changed. It might be a different vibe. It might be a different vibe. You've got a drummer on this tour. It's not even on my questions.

That's different. What's going on there? Yeah, Charlie couldn't make it on this run. So we have Davier of Devil Driver filling in. He stepped up and he's been absolutely killing it. You got a full stack, everyone here? Yeah, yeah. To be honest, mate, we not really play many shows without the full stack.

To be fair. I don't know if you know this. Why did I get asked to fill in for you for a US tour? It was because we didn't know if Tom was going to get in or not. Oh. But he made it. Has he been a naughty boy? Yeah, but it was like...

When he was a kid? He got caught with a spliff when he was like 17 or something. It's somewhat ridiculous. But because they're so like... Ganger man. Yeah, isn't it? Isn't it? They're so like uptight about it, aren't they?

So we didn't know if he'd get in or not. Have you done Canada yet? Yeah, we've done Canada. We've done Canada twice. Nothing happened at the border? No, fine. But we got like good relationship with Canada, aren't we, UK? Yeah, but they can like pull up when you were a kid.

Like they, whatever it is at the Canadian border, like their system goes all the way back. Yeah. But he's been to, he came to Canada. We went in 2022. Oh, yeah. He just been there the other day. So he was fine. No problems.

Full stack. Not full stack. Almost full stack. Still fun though? Yeah, it's been great. Was he in Great American, the ghost for a bit? I can't remember. I think he was.

I think he did play for him. Yeah, I think he's on him out of the picture. He just brings this energy, which is like he's just happy to be here. He's not grumbled once. Are you grumpy? You know we are, yeah. A little bit. I wanted you to admit you're a grumpy band.

Are you a grumpy band? Yeah, definitely. Really? These guys are the fucking worst. Mate, you're lucky you get a smile out of us on a full tour. And they all fucking smile in your ass off. I mean, I'm a smiley guy, I think, but the rest of the band, man. Really?

Who's the worst? Jack, definitely Jack. Really? I've never seen him smile. I've known him for 26, 27 years. Do you know what? I've spoke to him the least. So it does check out.

Yeah. I don't think he likes anyone. You guys bicker. I mean, Mellev bicker, but you guys fucking bicker between yourselves. They went out for tea the other night

because Josh was with you. And all I heard when Josh got back to the wagon was, fucking hell, them guys just hate each other. They've been bitching about a fucking microphone for two hours over burgers. I'm sick of hearing it. There's a lot to unpack here.

I want to know what the microphone issue was, but then also just hearing someone called dinner, Oh, fucking straight in my heart. We're so back. Oh, we're so back. I don't get that. Because in my head, I was like, they went for a cup of tea. No, wait, that's where I'm from.

No, no. What was the microphone? I don't know. They've been moaning about the mic sounding weird for a few days, but I don't have a clue. My mic, yeah. I've been saying, like, I don't know what's going on. Like, I don't know anything about tech or anything like that. But, yeah, Jack was moaning about it.

And then when we were trying new mics, he's like, oh, I don't want to get involved, but he brought it up. So we made him listen. And we changed the mic like three times, two of them broke. And then we got, we settled on like this little tiny thing. It sounds all right. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't give a shit, man. Happy to be there.

I'm just up there having a good time. About tech side. Absolutely not. Con is the guy. He's the tech guy. And I try to listen to him when he explains to me about quad cortexes and plugins. You're all DSP. No old ESP.

You already watched an ad there. Never waiting on the fucking payroll, brother. Could have got twice the money if I've done two separate episodes, but here we are. He tries to explain it to me, and it just goes over my head. I try and listen, but it's not in my remit. I turn up a shout. Do you, okay, this question goes to both of you, though, but it's off the back of what you just said. Do you just get handed a song and go put some vocals on that?

when the demo process happens? No, I like to be involved from the get-go. So when Josh is, like, putting together his riff ideas, I'll be thinking, like, what can we do? Like, where can this riff go next? Yeah. I like to, because I don't play any instruments. You're like a Rick Rubin.

Yeah. I could just a, how does it make me feel? Yeah, 100%. And, like, I don't play any instruments, but I can write mosh parts in my head. And I do. And in the shower. How does it come out of head to a guitarist?

What are you doing? Just be in the shower. And all of a sudden it's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And then what? Voice note. Voice note. Yeah, yeah. That's fucking awesome.

Or I'll just like, just remember it and lock it in. And I'm like, Josh, next time I'm at the studio, remind me, I'm going to tell you this riff that I've wrote in my head. And then one of the breakdown from Unbroken Glass, that did-N-N-N-N-in-it. Yeah. That I was just literally. Is that a shower breakdown? That is a shower breakdown. down.

Fuck, yeah. Shalerman break down. But about you? I'm the same, man. Like, I don't have a musical bone in my body, so it's kind of hard for me to know with anything, though. No, you know what? When we first started the band, I didn't have a clue, mate.

I didn't even know how to come in on the one or anything. I was just, I don't even know. But over the years, I got better at it. But I've come up with, like, a few bits. I like to be involved as well. Like, we're just all right together nowadays. In the same room? Yeah, we got a little spot at home, so we just get together and, like,

just write it all. On the instruments, like there. Yeah, we got like the, on the computer, yeah. It's too loud otherwise. I won't turn up if it was like that. But yeah, we just sort of write it all together and everyone chips in probably like as much as each other. But I've come up with like a couple of riffs.

Same process? Yeah, exactly the same. Yeah, I think one of our good recent ones was me as well. So I take part of that. Yeah, off the track burn. The main riff, the main riff, like, I came up with that with Tom, but I definitely did most of the heavy lifting for it

and he just put it into the computer because he's a genius like that. Wait, Tom put it into the computer. Yeah, Tom can put it into the computer. Yeah, Tom can put it. Tom's like a sort of demo guy. Like you just tell him what to do, he plugs it in and just plays.

He can play guitar and... I never knew that. I hate that. I hate that. On the drums as well, he just plays the beat on the keyboard like... Hey, y'all's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if,

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He's a fucking amazing drummer. Are you guys still not on a click live? No, we don't use that. You do? Yeah, I didn't know you didn't use a click. That's man. I don't have no idea. We like slowing certain parts down and like speeding bits up.

So, you know, we like... I can't believe how... I think it depends on the crowd. You know, if we were having like a sick shot. we'll play a breakdown a little bit slower or whatever and get a better reaction maybe and everyone's cool with it everyone's sound everyone's on the same page like it just works out i think we played so much together we just got like good chemistry like that there's not many bands doing it i mean i i i need a click i want a click but that sounds freeing yeah yeah it's great there's there's one song in i set

which we don't have click for and that's only because it's self-s supremacy where we ask for the circle pit and sometimes i'm stood there for like a minute waiting for them to open it up like i know exactly the part in your set yeah so sometimes it's awkward yeah yeah and i'll stand there talking shit for a minute and just waiting for them to do the circle pit but then we tried you know like having it on two separate tracks so you press play for the second or for the song and it just felt weird man so like we were just like right every other song is on click bar that one yeah and it's sick it works fair enough i don't think we could ever put a click to that Yeah, with Stray, we

never used to have a click and then we played Hellfest main stage and I must have shit bed or something because afterwards I was like, that was sick and everyone was like, we finished like five minutes early I was like, that's crazy, weird. And then I went and depressed and some French guy was like, Max's name was not some French guy

was like, I noticed that you played every song very fast at it. It did not sound good. The accent is fantastic. because it's burned into my fucking brain. It's like, it just cut me. And I was like, oh, really? It was like, yes, very fast.

And he was kind of like, not good. We had the same problem though for a while, like years ago. Like Tom had just played it insane speed. And I'll set up be over in like eight minutes. But over the years, we just, I guess we just got accustomed to like doing it, doing it. Charlie used to play really fast back in like the early Mulev days. And I'd beg them, begged them to slow down because I just couldn't do. vocals that fast. But that's when we were playing like weird melodeth kind of vibe before we like,

when we first started putting music out when I joined Malev. Wait, there was Mello death before. Yeah, like early Mellev stuff is, there's not much hardcore influence in it at all. Really? It's very metal. Is there an EP out or something with that? No, but I'll send you the tracks later. Please, I'd like to hear it. It's on YouTube somewhere. Deep dive. If you, uh, there's a song called Echo. which was written before I was in the band. And it's funny, we were talking about it on the drive-in. There's a photo somewhere of before I was even in the band, and Con was the lead singer.

Con's singing, and I'm in the crowd, like, piling on to sing along. Crazy. And, yeah, but that whole era of Maleb was very different to how, what we sound like now. I'm glad because it's not my bag. I like breakdowns. I love breakdowns and I love Maledath.

So I feel like where you've settled on is pretty fucking good for me. but I would like to hear it. You guys been going for a fucking minute. 17 years since I joined. I was in BWP playing shows with you and that is like a lifetime ago. What year was that? I know we talked about it last time I was here.

2013, I think. That's 13 years. And then you guys were fair play for not giving up. Yeah. Honestly though. Because most people, do you think you had a dip? I think we've had like, it's peaks and trust with everything.

I feel like since COVID, we've been, We've definitely, we grew a lot over the pandemic and the lockdown. And then it's kind of been generally on the up since then. Obviously, yeah, peaks and troughs and everything, but I feel like we're in a very good position now. And I don't ever feel like we've,

we ever hit a dip or anything and I've like had a like a low point. We were just like, we've done some terrible tours. But that's all part of it, right? Yeah. like so there was a massive gap in between full lengths for you i'm in board it was but there was a huge gap and he was like four years or something did an EP then a full length i feel like that might be the move for any band that's like they want to keep the trajectory going slam a couple of eps in there in between records i'd do eps all day long to be honest love a fucking EP two track

two three tracks i just don't like what i don't like is now you can't really do an EP because and then like press agents and stuff they get mad i fucking hate press agents of crap man you don't like an e-p dog shit bro why just shit you want a full like meaty record to put it on what what number record is this this is this is armor of angels yeah that's right number three full number three yeah come back in time you'll be like i don't know man i have a blast i hate doing ePs man why they're just boring dude like they're over in seven minutes like well What's a point? Yeah, but a sick banger.

She's nodding her head. Not a keen, not a fan. I actually do fuck with EP's. I feel like... I mean, I fuck with it if it's good. I feel like... EPs are a good way to get a little bit of like... Change in vibes because it's just a little EP.

You know what I'm saying? You don't have to like dedicate all of your intention into a whole album when you can just have little flavors of different things. I think like when you're in early... Like in your early stages of a band, EP's are good. But once you've got one LP, I think. you just got to keep doing LPs, man. I strongly disagree.

I mean, I think that might just be like old guy laziness. How old are you? I'm 31. Fuck, are you like a little baby? I know. I thought you were like 25? No, 31. How old was the rest of the band?

Jack's 31, Sam's 32. Lily's 24 and Tom's 28, 27. Fuck, I thought you were so... You're a little, fucking handsome little baby. Thank you, man. You can't say handsome baby these days. I haven't looked at my fucking questions once yet That's a good sign though

Oh here we go No it's a great time We didn't know how this was going to go We're going to find out now Oh you're both from the north Yep The north of the UK What was the local scene like

And how did you get to know each other It's been up and down I think since I got involved in it When I first got involved I were going to shows We were like six people Would be there and stuff And then just gradually

As the years went on After COVID as well Like shows just started going like really big a lot bigger like bands had easily fill up 200 katt whereas before it was like you know you'd be buzzing with 50 people so it's definitely changed since like i first got involved i feel like when i first start going to shows in sheffield that used to be absolutely sick you'd have like a sick tour coming through every weekend at the corporation where they'd be like never say die tour with like partway headlining yeah hell on earth tour yeah you know there was all

these like huge tours which nowadays Sheffield doesn't even get a look in yeah why is that like corp used to have all the all the shows just because it's we are we suffer from being in the triangle of Manchester Leeds Nottingham and there's just not that many people that are into heavy music as in Sheffield as they used to be I think times are starting to change now where it's like there's a bit more of a hardcore scene there's a lot more DIY venues popping up as a like a group called busybodies who are promoting like local hardcore shows there seems to be like a real

movement again which is exciting but for a long time there was like it just died a death and i used to book shows at corporation i used to work there and it was just fucking hard work trying to convince agents to send their tours to sheffield where they know they could either send it to leads or manchester and get double the figures double the money and it'd be a better show and you can't argue with that so i feel like there's like the uk people who don't know how good they've got it. Whereas, like, people will complain that a show. I imagine they do, I haven't seen it,

but like, I imagine people will complain that a show isn't coming to Sheffield because it's going to fucking Manchester. How long's that drive? It's not far. No, it's not far. What is it? An hour on a good day. And then people are like, wow, why isn't it not coming to Sheffield? It's one hour away, boys. Yeah, yeah.

Fucking nip down the road. But I get it. You want a big band in your city for more of, like, Because they're coming to our city. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys, if you're watching this episode and you're thinking, I really want to go see the band malevolence, guess what? You can watch the band malevolence,

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beat someone to a pope. Let's be honest, there's riffs and there's fighting. You're either in or you're not. Get your tickets at blood for blood.com. I'll see you there. It puts it into perspective when you come over here, stateside, and there's people coming to these shows that we've been on together. And I drove seven hours from Arkansas to be here. And I'm like, you know, I know people who get pissed off about a 30-minute train to leads. Why are you doing? And I love you people. Don't get me wrong. It's going to sound. like I don't love you people, but like, why aren't you doing Cardiff? How far's Bristol?

I'm sorry. I tell you what, though, if I had it my way, I would do it the other way around. So you've got some warehouse representation. But it's always Bristol. Yeah, I feel like they've just got bigger venues. Cardiff's good, though. We played a few times in Cardiff, and it's been good.

We played with you in the Globe, was it made? Yeah, yeah, Cardiff's good. I mean, I was born in Cardiff, so it's like, were you? You're Welsh. I'm Welsh, brother. Fuck, yeah. But you got Welsh parents?

My dad's side, yeah. Is he got a proper thick Welsh accent? I don't know. I ain't seen the cunt in about 15 years. Gosh, I'm running fucking theme on this podcast. No one knows that bad. Daddy issues. No, not so.

Can you do a Welsh accent? Yeah. Madison, this is a Welsh accent. Do you want me to drop into a Welsh accent, is it? I'm not being funny, but at the end of the day, we're on the downbeat podcast. And it is what it is. That's fucking good. Jesus Christ.

Reality will prevail. That's what I lived it. I lived with those people for a while. How did you guys meet each other? Ben's. I don't remember this. I mean, I know we've played so many, like,

shitty shows, like beat down shows back in the day, but I don't remember when we first met. Do you? I remember the first time we met Charlie Grover was on our first European tour. Did it? Yeah.

But we obviously knew my life before that. But that was the first time we met anyone in the band. And then shortly after that, he asked us to play like a reign of suffering. five year anniversary. Nice. I think we, BWP played

Rainer Suffering release show. When was that? When was Rainer Suffering? 2013. Yeah, I think that might have been one of the last BWP shows was,

and I think that was at court. And I think you put it on. I don't know this for a fact. I'm just right. Yeah, maybe. I think we did a couple at cooperation with like, like, sick lineups.

TRC played one of them, I think. the UK hard-course scene back in the day was so sick it was so late TRC are back as well did you know no

yeah they're back I saw special movies back I was talking to someone the other day people forget like I can't remember who it was someone was like oh remember when you were in Dead Swans

remember that bridge nine band and I was like fuck me I forgot about that the 7th Cross you ever hear that band I was in that for a bit as well yeah yeah that's sick Isn't that for two years?

They were sick. They were very underrated. I remember going to Seventh Cross show, before I even know who they were, they were playing like a local venue in Sheffield, and it was terrifying because there was big dudes kicking the shit out of which I was like, this is sick. This is like before I even really knew what hardcore was. I wonder if it was me playing the drums. I did it for about two years.

Do you know who else was in Seventh Cross? JJ that now plays guitar for Bringing Horizon. Really? Yeah. Seventh Cross was like a little fucking... little supergroup. No way. That's mad.

I didn't know that. That was like the original moshing to the piano intro. Band. Because it had all the like fucking atmosphere. Demon's March. Demon's March. Yeah, you know it. You know it.

But yeah, I forget that as well. I forget. I've had eras to my life. Or just fucking just move on. Just get bored. Just get bored. So a lot of these are going to be like getting you two to speak to each other because I don't know what I'm doing with this episode.

I think it might be fun. Yeah, yeah. Okay. If you had to describe guilt trip in one word, what is it? B-Tac malevolence. Come on, like, can you explain B-Tech malevolence to the US audience? Yeah, so you have the A-Team, which is malevolence,

and then you have the backup dancers now. That's harsh. We have this, like, hilarious ongoing feud online where I think, Some people genuinely think that we just don't get alone, but we just, we've known each other that alone, that it's like, we just take the piss out of each other and people, like, love it on the internet. So to describe guilt trip sound, I guess it's really like,

I definitely think there's like an element of like malevolence influence in there, and I mean that in like a good way. Maybe. It feels like a therapy. No, because I mean, like, there's not many bands in the north who sound like malevolent. there's not many bands in the north that sound like guilt trip. So I think it's the natural thing to be like,

oh, well, they draw influence from each other. And I feel like you definitely do, because riff heavy metal core in the north is just not that pumping at the minute. But then I think what you guys do is very unique in the sense that you have your own stage presence, you have your own style of delivery, and I feel like no one else can take that from you

because... Thanks, mate. It's true. It's nice, isn't it? It's nice. It's a steed that no one else really has. And if you're listening to a guilt trick record, you know it's a guilt trick record straight away,

whereas opposed to like, any of the metal core band, it could be anyone. So yeah, I think what you guys do is sick. And you've been doing it for nearly as long as we have as well. And it's been cool to see. Not quite that long.

I was going to say, not that long. What is it, 2015? You start. Yeah, 2015. 2016, our first release. Yeah. I saw like, well, six, seven years, like, you know, like we've kind of come up together

and especially seeing your growth in the last couple of years has been sick to watch because, you know, we've been friends for a long time. Like Jack has worked in the malevolence warehouse for us for years. I don't know if he still does. No, I think Wilkie's sacked him. Did he get sacked? I think, not sacked, but like he's just touring too much to really, you know, do the job. So, yeah, I guess he got sacked.

Wilkie was his boss? Yeah. It's got to be so fucking funny. Oh, man. Can you imagine? I'd love to see, like... In my head, it's just like the office, but Wilkie. Yeah.

All right, you didn't give me one word, though, but you gave me a lovely answer. Sorry, I didn't realize there was one word. Well, I thought it was just thought it was going to be like a quick fire thing, but you gave me a delicious answer, so it doesn't matter. All right, one word to... I don't know if I can live up to that. I know, right? He's fucked you.

A little bit. One word to describe my level. I don't know if I can think or one word, but I think, like, one good album. them, maybe. Which one? Which one? A rain of suffering, definitely. That means he's telling the truth.

That means he doesn't give him a fun about that. That album was like my life. Well, it made you all bad. It did. Honestly, it did. And I have to give credit for that. I think, like, the album was way ahead of its time. I loved it.

I couldn't believe it. I still can't. I listen to it to this day and I'm like, there's no way them wrote this. I was just not having it. What? Because your mates now, you're like? Nah, just more like, it's a lot different now

what they're doing. Do you think you make the music you wish they'd carry on making? No, no, I think, I think that was super, like, real metal. Like, you could hear the hardcore influence, but it was definitely more metal-leaning than we are. I think we're primarily, like, a hardcore band. I don't know if people would agree with me, but... I feel like you guys just get cool metal.

I think we get a lot of metal core, but... Yeah, I think, like, obviously, they're a big inspiration for us, to be fair, and it's cool being mates with them after... you know looking up to him for years before and we we wouldn't have had guilt trip without rain of suffering so yeah but um one of our like modern day heroes i would say and it's sick to like tall with him and you guys are so nice to be jealous anyway that's the episode because that was fucking lovely you should see the comments between our band pages though because we would

beef each other down yeah we'd beef each other publicly like what i mean there was the video of you basically saying what you just said at some festival and in the run-up to promote out this tour, I may have made a few alteratings to the video Yeah, like super high pitch voice and without, there'd be no guilt trip without malevolence. What, you got that up and put it on, isn't that? Yeah. That's kind of funny.

It's funny. You know, you posted something on your Instagram the other day preparing your new single and it just so happened to be when you were on stage sound checking so I'm there on the malef page, like, never mind fucking posting on Instagram, get your fucking shit off stage so we can sound check. Oh, I fucking, see, this

what I mean, I do miss. Everyone always says, like, what do you miss from the UK? And it's just the fucking banter. Yeah, because they don't get it over here. No, they don't understand sarcasm. Madison's learning. No, no, sorry. No, sorry.

Madison's learning, and she's, like, kind of becoming a little bit British from it. But, like, general day to day, you cannot have, like, just a random bit of banter with it, like, someone you're buying coffee or whatever. No. You try and say something and they go, what? And then you have to explain it was a joke and then you have to explain what the joke was

and they go, oh, that's funny. I pulled a fucking blinder the other day in a hotel and it was just me in an elevator and this maid got in the hotel lift. And she kept pressing the wrong buttons and I was on the way down. I was just like, it's fine, don't worry about it.

These lifts, they're a bit up and down. Nothing. Nothing. And I thought that was a fucking scorcher that one. In the UK, that I'd have people in belly stitches, but nothing over here. I once shared a elevator with Jack Black. Oh, wow. He was so very angry. It was actually, I was, it was somewhere in West Hollywood,

I played the Whiskey Go-Go with Vision of Disorder. I got back to the hotel. I don't know why. why they put me in such a nice hotel. But Jack Black comes into the lift and he's fucking raging. Like, I've never seen, like, Bowser, but real. Like, fully raging.

And he's just like, like, like a character, like one of his, like his fucking shallow howl when he's in a bad mood or whatever. And he was, like, fully raging. And I was looking at him in every bone of my body wanted to say, not very funny in real life, are you? And I actually couldn't fucking do it because he was raging so much.

I'll never know why he was so pissed off. I should have done it. You should have done that. It should have done it. It should have done it. How are you finding life over here? I want to hear... What's it like not touring?

Yeah. What's going on? Thanks, guys. Not many people. The only other person to ask how I'm doing, Mark Morton from Lambagrod. My guy. What a fucking legend, by the way.

I listened to that episode. Mark, shout out you. He's a fucking legend. Land of God, I have so much respect for those guys because they took us under their wing on the last US tour that we did with them. And, you know, when you get a band who, it's the cliche, you're saying, if you meet your idols, then you meet them and they're actually sound. He met his idol.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about the sound part, but. Yeah.

I don't beg it. No, but shout out to Lama God, because I got, they were, they were very kind to us. They were down to hang out. And, sorry, interrupted your point. But, no. You didn't have a point. You asked me how I was doing. Yeah, yeah.

And I interrupted you. It's fine. It doesn't matter. What was the Lamagod tour? Us, Mastodon, Lama God, and Kerry King. Oh, was that recent? 24, and the 2024. Fuck, yeah.

And that was sick. Brutal. Playing to arenas, half an hour after doors, and not that many people were there. So, like, the shows were terrible. You know, the whole experience was amazing. Obviously, touring with Lama God, favorite band of all time. Mastodon, great band as well. But it was just savage.

And one thing we learned from doing that, tour is we kind of skipped a few steps over here in America, whereas on this tour, it's us co-headlining. It's our show. And I feel like we kind of built up a bit of a reputation in the US as being like a band that kind of skips the queue a little bit and has jumped onto the management tours, if you want to call them that. And we haven't done the groundwork. So this is why it's a conscious effort now to kind of take a bit of a step back and try and stand on our own two feet a little bit instead of just relying on getting on other people's tours because eventually you know like i were saying 17 years deep and we've never done a u.s headline tour so it was about

time that we just took the plunge and it's this this tour has been the first test of that really and it's been way better than i thought what's the caps how many people like 250s been the smallest i think and then 600's the biggest yeah so every night's been pretty packed every night to be honest it's been sick and it i was we were with the not loose guys last night and i was talking to is iac about it and he made the point which i think is very valid of saying use this as the time use this as the opportunity to play the shows that you don't get to play in the uk and the europe yeah no barrier internet sweatboxes i was like yeah do you know what that's an absolutely amazing way of looking at it and we just got to put in the groundwork and and and kind of

take a step back and it's been paying off you know like the shows have been sick averaging like three 300 people a night you know it's not the biggest tour but it's fun it's it's a lot of everyone's going crazy as well like yeah the canada shows were really sick yeah Canada was insane like real moshes there and stuff like it it's been sick so far it's been way better than I thought it was going to be I like one of the things that I missed the most in stray or just one of the things that made me realize like fuck i'm probably i'm really going to miss this as a shame it couldn't be done this way around when we did the last festival run last summer we did like obviously you know you you play fucking grass pop and you play hell festival or any of those things but you in the

middle you have to play some small places that are within your radius claws the people that don't know when you play a big festival there is a clause that you can't play cities X amount of miles outside of the festival. So traveling between festivals in the summer, you have to hit some of the smallest, weirdest little cities,

which is sort of like touring America. Luxembourg. But yeah, like that, but like we played a couple of shows that were like 100 cap sold out, best fucking shows on the tour.

Like the next day, we played main stage grass pop to fucking 40,000 people. But the night before, a hundred cap with fucking everyone going mental. I was like, they're the best shows.

I would still be in this band if the pay was reversed. Like, if you, got paid shit loads to play the fucking no one or like just a hundred kids and then you got it was cheaper like you got paid like i'd pay to pay in front of 40,000 people i should be paying you but like small shows no barrier yeah so to fucking isaac's point you really should like just take advantage of like this is fun might not be able to do it again if this goes well i won't be

going to do this again. Yeah, yeah. And you know what? Like, there's worse problems to have than, I mean, even in Louville last night, I think we had 184 people in. The venue was massive. The vibe was a bit weird because obviously there's fucking, all this space and like one row of people at the front.

But I guarantee every single one of them person, every single one of them people had a great time. And that's all that matters. That's all that matters. I mean, you know, it's been a while since we've played a show like that. And it keeps you ground. and keeps showing your toes and like

you can't just be a rock star everywhere you don't know what I mean is less pressure when there's less people I find it more daunting yeah it's more scary I get I don't really get nervous if we play like a packed show

but it's when you play to like 10 people I'm like shit in my pants man really I guess there's more eyes that you can physically lock eyes with it's not like a sea of eyes I don't know what it is it's weird man it's I think it's like I don't know it feels like

I'm a little bit embarrassed to something like, you know, like they're going to watch him be like, he can't pull the crowd. Yeah, like, because he's idiots. The best bit of advice

that anyone ever gave me, like, I feel like it was fucking maybe 20 years ago. If you were ever playing like a underwhelming amount of people, playing too and underwhelming amount of people, it's like, those people are the people who fucking care the most. Yeah.

Like, they came even though it was like, you know, people there, those people came. And the minute I started thinking about that, I was like, still gave it 100 and fucking 10%. We played loads of shows to like, no one.

We played to one guy and his dog on a tour in 2018 with judiciary because the promoter, we had two shows in the Czech Republic and he got the dates back to front. One guy and a dog? Yeah, one guy and his dog. Was it a big dog at least?

No, it was like, I don't even remember what kind of dog it was, but he had it. And he was on a lead and he was just going crazy. He was so drunk and he was like, you know, he didn't know any of the answer. Moshing with him. He was trying to mosh, yeah.

But he was like 50 odd, like. But we had to play, dude, and he was the only one in the room. I played to two people sat down on those really high bar stools, but at the front of the stage. Yeah. In, I'm going to butcher it, Gangzhou, China. Oh, yeah, we just played there. Did you?

Like last month. Was it good? It was sick. It was the best show on the tour. No fucking way. It was fucking amazing. I played two Chinese. Yeah.

Chinese business, man. Oh, bro. Just sat there like this. Maybe the scene over there is just grown since then because it was like the best show on that tour easily. It was insane. Yeah, it was like a thousand-cat venue. We didn't fill it.

How many people? Three something, 400. Wow. But it looked, it looked, they shut the balcony for us, which was a generous of them. So it looked full on the floor and there was no barrier. So we've got a video on a Tom's Instagram of like, there's like 30 kids on the stage two stepping.

No way. It was amazing, but we've played a lot of shows to two people. I think I went too early. I'm talking this is 2011 maybe. I think the scene was a long time. Two business guys, two businessmen on the fucking thing. They obviously told two other businessmen. Look at it now.

And they grew from there. That's where it starts. You started that scene, bro. You're welcome. I wonder where they are now. Did you do Shanghai and Beijing? No, we didn't. We just did the one show in China.

Because Shanghai and Beijing were like fucking crazy. So if that's what's going on there I think maybe that's why it was so good Because we only had the one show there So people from them cities maybe made the journey Where else did you do on the Asian tour We played Vietnam which was amazing Fuck yeah

We played food Taiwan which was sick Every show was great Singapore Damn you did some fucking out there once Yeah we did It was a lot of fun mate It was a great time

And we loved trying the different cuisines and stuff We've never been to China I'd love to go I really would We've only ever done one Asia tour back in 2018, I want to say. And we did Singapore, Thailand. We did Thailand too.

What did you do in Thailand, boys? Bangkok. Not a lot because we... You didn't go party? We went to a... I remember we went to like a bar on the river. The tour was one of them where we were flying every single day. And we were so jet-lid.

We did South Korea. Jealous. We did an island in the Philippines called me. Went swimming with whale sharks. eight crocodile. Oh, I remember this era because fucking Wilkie was posting about it like an influencer.

Oh, yeah. I mean to tell me Wilkie wasn't out on a little fucking snake around Bangkok? No, no. Oh shit. Everyone would have... One funny story I do have from that, though,

is when we went to South Korea, I can't remember where we'd flown in from, but the flight, everybody was under the impression the flight was around. seven or eight hours. Turned out to be two, but everybody was so jet-like,

so exhausted that everyone except me took a sleeping tablet for the plane. Obviously, we went up, we're flying, and then within like 45 minutes we're coming down, and I'm having to wake up the rest of the band. And Charlie was so hot on this flight,

he got down into his boxers on the plane. Everybody was like unconscious, like dribbling. I'm like, yo, we're landing now. Everybody wake up. Boxers on the plane, I'm sorry. Yeah, so. madness. But it was, the flight was red hot, to be fair to him, even still, kind of bookey.

But yeah, we got there, we landed, we met the rep and he took us back to wherever we were staying and the whole band was just like comatose and like couldn't even function. Con was like dribbling in the taxi on the way back to his gaff. Were they drinking as well or just? Yeah, everybody. Everybody was drinking. I think around that time. Drinking and sleeping tablets.

Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah. If you don't die. you get down to your boxes. And then, but we ended up playing this show in South Korea and it was sick, but none of the lads remember it.

Well, you didn't get to spend time in any of these places. That was the one thing that I didn't like. Yeah. Because when they book it, you're off flights every day after the show. But it's super like, they're so accommodating the promoters and stuff,

I feel like if they didn't have to do that, they definitely wouldn't. Like, they wouldn't let us pay for anything. They were super nice with us, but it's just the fact that you don't really get to experience the cities. I think if I was doing it again,

I would just do show day, day off in the next city. Like I don't mind going straight to the fucking airport after the show and then go to the new city, wake up and then spend that evening. Yeah. That's what we're planning for the next run when we go over there.

We're going to have like a solid block of time in between the shows to, you know, go out and enjoy it. And it's a fucking holiday. I think it's a place you need to have time to experience as well. Yeah.

There's so much. to see and do. And it's such a good opportunity. It's like, I think that as a person, like as a musician, I think the first, one of the first times,

I was like, oh, I've made it, was first show in America. And then the other one was Japan. Like, when you go to Japan and play a show, it's like,

I'm fucking cool. Even though there's 50 people there the first time. Yeah, someone else is willing to pay you to go to their country. That's when you do really feel like you are on the other side of the world.

Because like, when we went, nobody really spoke English. I found it quite overwhelming in Tokyo just because, you know, ignorance on my part, thinking I could go there, maybe, like, there'd be some signs for the stupid little English

guy who doesn't speak Japanese, but no. And if anything, it was kind of sick going to somewhere like that, and it'd just been such a cool culture show. I love that. It's like being on an alien planet. Yeah, yeah. No English anywhere.

Yeah, and it just felt like I'm in a giant playground, especially into downtown Tokyo. We didn't get to do Japan, unfortunately. We stopped in Bangkok. But yeah, I'd love to go to Japan. Some of the guys have been on a holiday, but I've never been. Best place in the fucking world.

Yeah, it looks amazing. Number one thing I miss about being in a band is playing Japan. Anyway, how am I? Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. We went from, how are you doing? What was your question? How are you doing it?

Yeah, what's going on? What's new? I love it. Yeah? Love it. It's good. Last time I saw you were in Glasgow. So we were, yeah.

It's a lot warmer here. How are you finding the heat, the humidity. I love it. I'm sweating my ass. I'm sorry. They don't put the AC on until it's like people will die if you don't put the AC on. It's like the last, they're like fucking June the first. It will go on.

Yeah, it's good. I miss UK banter. Yeah. Miss UK. some snacks. What's your most missed snack? Like biscuits, just like a normal biscuit. Like a fucking...

Like boring, like a hobnob. You miss hobnob? You miss hobnobs. Fuck, yeah, I miss a hobnob. Biscuits are good though. I feel like you under appreciate them until... Cream eggs? You ain't got them anymore.

I miss cream. Tis the season right now. Apparently they're here. We've had cream eggs here. We've had them the other day in the van. What? Fuck. We had like a pack of like little ones.

What snacks did I make you eat last summer in the UK? I'm trying to think what I really made. are mini-cheddars. What were the alien dudes called? Oh, Space Raiders. Alien dudes love that. I miss like bullshit. I miss like bullshit snacks.

Yeah, yeah. Chocolate, cabriess. You know what? They don't have many good chocolate bars there, I've noticed. They can't do chocolate. No, they can't. If it's, like, you've got Hershey's and. Oizened.

Yeah. What's, to be fair, Reese's pieces over here. Yeah, pretty good. They're sick, but it's not capri. Imagine the Reese's pieces. Reese's piece Reese's cup but it's fucking dairy milk

imagine that imagine if you will a dairy milk Reese's it'd be fucking amazing yeah other than that yeah pretty good

just moved that still in the process of moving house right now are you a weedsman no honestly I can't hack it and

there was a time where I could and I was a very good for me to mellow out but nowadays nah I just can't hike it. I had the point certified to me on the Pain of Truth

counterpart's stall last year because Painter Truth, they like a smoke. And they got on their bus and we were all piled on their bandwagon. Just chilling one night after the show and Michael hands me a joint and I was like, yeah, fuck yeah.

I mean, so I was smoking a little bit. I had two drags. Bad idea. I had to go and immediately left their bandwagon, went to our bandwagon, got in my bunk, shut my curtain with a tub of ice cream and just put some very happy YouTube video

for a little bit was that the last time you smoked that was the last time i smoked i had one of those as well it's just like this is not fun no what the fuck is this a little anxiety are you straight edge no i don't i don't smoke weed though you're the only weed are in here madison no one ever comes on and smokes that i'm like you yeah she will smoke she'll smoke anyone up but they never do i think cody ash was the only one that smoked it up jellyroll's drummer yeah yeah he's sick i've only just discovered him on Instagram and I like great drama yeah I've I really enjoyed his videos giving it the whole the old stone cold Steve Austin with the beer cans it's very American very over the top that's why everyone's like oh you're going to join a country band I'm like I'm British I'll do I'll do it what kind of music

would you want to play and I asked this for a reason okay so because I'm maybe on the lookout for a drummer you had to put a dig in no that wasn't even a dig I can't realize that came across like a dig, but it wasn't. If I was doing it, what, just for fun? If you could just write something for fun with, say, someone like me and maybe someone from, say, Not Loose, for example. This is an Isaac band? Maybe. Because me and Isaac have said we do a band a million times. Is it the Meshugger one? Because I'll do it. No, I'm not trying to write my sugar, bro. What are you trying to write with him? I'm trying to write something fun and just hardcore and maybe a little bit ignorant, but fun and fast. I mean, that's what I would like to do fun stuff like that.

Like, I would love to do something black metal. I'd love to do something hardcore. I'd love to do something death metal, but like just little projects. Yeah. But like, I don't have it in me to be like, I'm starting a black metal band and then be like, I hope we tour with Bohemoth. It's like, I'd love to do little fun projects. I'm definitely in, by the way.

Yeah. I see. You heard it. We're supposed to be doing a sugar band. Make it the same fucking band. Don't listen to him. How does it feel not touring? that's what you asked me um yeah fucking sick to be fair yeah like i do definitely

want to join another band yeah but there's little things like i had to go somewhere last week oh god just i know right and i was like i was packing shit up to go and i was only gone for like three days but i was like packing a bag to go and i was like this fucking sucks like having to remember all my shit and i was like god i don't miss that part of it Once you're on the tour, I used to hate the day before the tour And I used to hate the last day of tour And then I'd love the tour But like I hate the packing day

And I hate the airports If you've got to fly somewhere, hate it Other than that, I like it all, but the airports are the worst Airports when you're doing a long tour Where sometimes it's warm and sometimes it's coldsuit And you don't have enough space in your fucking suitcase For your jacket That has been this tour

This tour we started in Canada It was like minus six seven and now I'm down here and I've got like nothing to wear. I only brought my puffer jacket so I'm wearing that in like Kentucky. That's what I mean. And you're wearing it in the airport as well. Sweating your fucking tits off. Yeah, so I do miss it but like I would even want to build something from scratch

that I would just do for fun. Like a new band or whatever. Do something fucking weird with no aspirations of like, we're going to be the biggest band of the world because I'm fine. fucking 39. I'm not a fucking idiot. Or I would love to just jump ship into something massive. Yeah.

Or wouldn't we all? But do you know what I mean? Because I do miss just playing the drums in general. Like I miss touring. I miss making music probably the most. But I do miss touring. But I'm at a stage in my life where I can't go and make a band that does like three to 500 caps.

No, less than that, 200 caps. because it would stop the podcast, it would stop everything else. So I'd do like a payday gig. Yeah. And I've been offered some, but like still has to be at the limit of like, oh, I want to be in this band.

Yeah. Because I could do a country gig, but I don't want to do the hanging out with country people that is required to get that gig. Howdy? I'm at the, I have to go down a Slim Jim saloon, start rubbing elbows with people and be like,

I'm a drummer partner. I played out drugs for you, boy. I think there's something, I mean, I was listening to a podcast with Jelly Roll, and he was talking about how he wrote his last album, and obviously he wrote it in Nashville, and how he described the whole writing process of getting 30 incredibly talented people in a room, and you just jam.

But that's country, that's not metal. No, but can you imagine trying to translate that into the metal world? That could either be a fucking nightmare, or absolutely fucking sick. to do it though all those metal core bands that are like not really like post metal core whatever you want to call it ever look on those credits it's about 10 people all from different fucking they're already doing it they're already fucking in there uh so yeah i'll do a payday if anyone anyone got payday for me we're just talking about you've been doing it 10 years you've been doing

it 17 are you where you want to be like are you at the point you want to be or you always i think you never do reach a deal like as soon as you get to where you want it to be last year you want to be somewhere else yeah i'll be fucking dead if i start to be satisfied. I'm just trying to be in, like, I think Wilkie said this last time he was on. I'm just trying to be in business class, at least to travel. Then, you know, I'm chilling. Once you've done it, it's very hard to come back from.

Yeah. You done it yet? Done a lie flat yet? No. No. It's like MDMA. Once you've done MDMA, you'll never feel true happiness. Because you've felt, you've felt chemical 100% happiness and the world goes slightly dull forever.

I've heard. But like business class is like once you've done that, once you pop that business class Molly, fucking normal plane is... I can believe it. But it's too expensive. I do it rarely when I have like the miles or whatever. The move is at the end of a tour

when you've got a lot of money and you feel like a fucking millionaire is you go up to the gate and you go, is there any seats left in business class? And if there's like three, it'll go, yeah, you can have it for like 700 quid. That's pretty sick. I've only ever done that once.

I said, I just chanced at the gate. And I said, have you got any upgrades available today? And they moved three of us up to premium economy. Yeah, got a little bit of them, wider seat. Premium's pretty good. Yeah, I take that. I got a footrest, wide a seat, metal knife and fork. You not be the fucking best?

Like a, like a heritage new metal band. Oh, yeah, like who? I'll give me a fucking limp biscuit or something. Yeah. Oh, imagine. Yeah. Be fucking incredible. So much fun.

Speaking of new metal How'd the fucking POD thing come about? I wore a POD shirt for one of our shows It was Yarra on air in Europe Great Fest. I don't know you're familiar but it is sick We played it two years in a row which was sick But I had a POD shirt on

And he commented on a video we put up He was like, nice shirt So we just de-mmed him and were like Do you want to do something? And he were like, yeah, I'd love to So it was the last track on our record That came together but it was like we didn't know what to expect.

So we just you know we wrote like a chorus for it and sent it to him and he killed it dude it sounds sick so I'm really excited for people to hear that. I've not even heard it. Oh mate I'll show it you on. Bluetooth it'll hit me after that show.

Yeah I will do. Bluetooth hit me. I wonder if you ever get like oh here's a question for both of you you ever get like like a mosh call goes wrong because of your accent. Oh all the time.

Me. I trip over my own words all the time. You know what? Recently, I've had a massive problem with voice breaks. Really? Yeah, big, big time. So, like, every show on this tour, I've done it. And it'll be like, you know, I'm trying to give the hardest mosh call of all time.

Give me a mosh call. So the other day we were like, I can't remember what show it was. I think it was maybe Baltimore. I was like, make someone fucking bleed. But I said, make someone fucking bleed. So it just came out. But you went so bad. Make someone fucking bleed.

Yeah, yeah, it was terrible. That's absolutely terrible. That's kind of sick sometimes. I saw the video of it. It was fucking terrible. Yeah. It happens, though. Are you stumbling your words?

Yeah, I don't know why I do it. I mean, I'm doing it on the podcast, but I just, my brain goes faster than my mouth. What's your go to, Mosheal? You got any silly ones? Not really. I mean, Jack's been taking the piss out of me now,

so he says, make someone bleed every night. On stage? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's funny. Which is pretty funny. Yeah, we can I'll just take the piss out of me. It's fine. Are you planning the mosh...

No, people like it. I don't know about that. Self-deprecating. Oh, no, you're going to ask you, we're planning mosh calls. Yeah. No, never. Really?

Wilkie's quite good for, like, dropping... Just as we're about to go on stage. He's like, yo, Alex, we're in Montreal tonight. Mosh call for you. This is your new Montreality. And I'm like, okay. And then you said it. I say it, yeah.

And then we used to do a thing as, well for a little bit where I'll be like give me any word I'll drop it into the set. Oh we used to do that in viatrophy back in the day. Yeah. What's the weirdest one? I don't want to say Charlie's giving me one that's like corporations or something like that. Oh, that's easy. You could be like, fuck those big corporations kill someone, whatever.

Dude. No, yeah. So you plan yours and you don't plan yours? No, I don't plan anything that I do. I just get up there. I don't even know what I'm going to come out of. Getting the zone. Yeah.

But I feel like none of us do that. that Jack usually like sees how far I can push the boundary on like what names he can call people in the crowd and then the worse it gets like the you know the more he'll do it like but other than that we don't we don't really plan that kind of stuff I just say say whatever I kind of want to and have a voice break and then nice it's taken out of me for call the call the city by the wrong city yeah I called I called Pittsburgh Philly the other night oh and I feel like I don't I don't know if it's worse to like address it on I addressed it I was like like, oops. Sorry, everyone. But I feel like I should have just played it off. But like I said

Pittsburgh, maybe a hundred times. And it was the last, the last break now. Yeah, I was like, showing me Philly. Oops. Yeah, I feel like that one, you could have got away with it. But I feel like that's got that's got to be bad. It's the same, the same state. So surely there's some like big rivalry there. But you could have styled it off as, um, didn't style it off. I'm pretty sure like old English, a Philly as a girl. Yeah. I was thinking is there anything like... Show it to me, Phillies. And then you get...

Imagine that, you start it off as that, and then you get cancelled for it. Well, you know, he can't win. But yeah, that's... That's not... I've had a lot of embarrassing moments on this tour, to be honest. You seeming a good sport about them, though. Yeah, I mean, it happens, don't it?

You're getting up there in front of people, like stuff's bound to go wrong at some point. I like that, though. I like the humility. I'm just expressing myself, man. Yeah, you know, I mean... Sometimes it's a bloody good job. Isn't he doing well?

He's doing fantastic. You feel like he's like your... You're... Protégé? Nah, I think he's bigger than that. Is this co-headliner? Co-headliner, yeah. Nine shows each.

Same manager? Yep. Yeah. Okay, that's interesting. Was there any talk of like, no, we're headlining or no, we're headlining. No. I didn't feel like we weren't bothered.

We just wanted to do it with these guys. So we didn't care if we did it or they did it. That was our take on it. We just wanted to do it. Same. And, like, obviously, they, they did the coup, I can't tour. When was that last year? Last September.

And obviously, they've just popped over here. So it just made sense. And if anything, since we've been on the tour, it's been the battle of who is main support. Yeah, main supports the slot on this tour. Yeah. You know what? They keep putting the, they keep putting whoever's headlining on at like 11 p.m.

On a weekday. What is it? Italy? Like, no one wants to do that. So it's like, you know, even if you were, you know like an established massive American band people are still going to leave yeah no one wants to stay up that late

you're finishing at midnight the main the main supports on this tour as in that's the one that you want yeah definitely we got it tonight and also I like to be in bed early I'm getting in bed at 11th what's the transport we're in a bandwagon we've just got a van and trailer

I mean a bandwagon on what 300 cap venues you're you're losing money my friend oh yeah good for you though comfortable Do you know what, man, honestly, I'm 17 years deep in this now, and I have loads of respect for, like, you guys doing it how you do, and rough in it because we've done it.

Yeah. But I'm just, I'm at an age now where I just at least want to be able to, because when we were looking at it, honestly, when before the tour, we were like, maybe we should just cost this up to do it in a van, because, yeah, we are losing money. And when it costed it up, I was like, is this, minor saving with our sanity. We did that on the last tour, about a bus.

Same thing. Like, I'd rather lose money. Yeah. I'd rather lose money. People don't know. A van wagon is between a van and a bus. It's like an RV. I fucking love them.

Yeah. It's this sick. That's sick. And the only downside is when they're moving, they're the most uncomfortable things to sleep in overnight because it's just, it's effectively a box truck that's been turned into a tour bus. same suspension.

What's your bunk? I'm middle. I'm fucked up, bro. What's your bunk recommendation? Bottom. Nah, that's the impact zone. No. Your chest and your spine is the

next rung of the suspension. You're closer to the center of gravity. Yeah, so like the swerving's not as bad on the bottom. Yeah, I'm sorry. The top is definitely the worst. Crew goes in the top. Or filling drummers.

Oh, poor fucking bastard. Sorry, Davy. Monster artist? Monster artist? Yeah, just recently. Cheers, monster. These motherfuckers with the waters, some of us are committed to the fucking thing.

We've got to talk about your bus. The fucking buses that you've done with Monster. Yes. Yes, the bad boy whips. It's so, I don't know how you guys get away with doing, like, essentially stuff that's just fucking cheesy and funny, because it's just sick when you do it.

You had a bus, a tour bus. massive logo and then pictures of all your faces like a fucking boy band yeah it looked like an advert for Fast and Furious explosions and breaking glass and which should be lame

but it's the sickest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life I think you're the only like band in the space that could pull it off to be honest I don't think it'd have the same effect we like someone else I agree to be honest why do you think that is

I think I don't know I guess just like we were saying this on the way down as well like just very unique metal band. Don't take yourself seriously. You know, it's not. I don't know. I think it's serious, but like, you couldn't imagine.

Fast and Furious bus. I couldn't imagine fat. Yeah, I mean, I see that and I'm like, it's pretty sick to be, to be honest. But, you know, I couldn't imagine five moshes on the side of a bus. But they, you know, they don't look like five moshes. Yeah. I think it looks.

I think it's great. I can't figure out if it's tongue in cheek or if you guys are like, this is fucking hard. I think it's sick. Honestly, a bit of both. Yeah. Honestly. That's why it works. Do you know what started it all off is back to what we were saying earlier about the Never Say Die tours and the Hell on Earth tours that used to come through Sheffield and the Lamb of God tours.

And then we're going down to them venues in Sheffield and seeing the Lamb of God tour bus rap and thinking, fuck me, these guys own their own tour bus. That is sick. Little did I know. Obviously. Monster rapid. Yeah, yeah. Still sick, though. And we would, Wilkie came up with the idea one day and was just like, maybe we should wrap the tour bus.

And then we were with Scorp from Monster. Legend. Shout out of Scorp. And he was just like, yo, let's do it. Let's just. And then me and Wilkie were spit, well, like, what could we put on this bus? Like, obviously the logo. Yeah.

And I was like, well, should we put our faces on it? It's fucking sick. Yeah, we could do that. Could we do that? We could do that. Let's do that. And it's so crazy that you could. You can do that.

And you're the only band in the world that could do that with the faces on the side. and be like, that's fucking awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's a bit of fun and it's especially funny when you're driving onto like the Calator Dover Ferry and you've got families just stood staring. And then you get off the face. And I get off, bleary eye, just got out of bed in my boxer shorts and they're like, that's not the same guy.

It is the same guy. It's the same guy. Did you get more autographs because of it? Do you get random people getting your autograph? No, just people taking photos. Like when you pull it up to like the M25 service station and this massive... Corby.

Is it? Wow, that's the good one. Fucking bang, I know. Dropping some game. One of the fucking Nandoes in it. It's the best one. Yeah, that is a good one. That is the shit.

Sorry. No, no, it's just fucking hilarious seeing like R5 massive heads pull up to a service station and everyone just starts filming it. I expect him some famous people to get off and just five moshes from Sheffield pile off. It's fucking cool how like Monster get involved with that shit. Yeah, they've been great with us, honestly.

They've been good with us so far as well. We've only been there a short time and they've... You've got any fucking Thorbus plans? No. Yeah, maybe. They actually kindly invited us down to the Topham Stadium a couple of weeks ago. Saw that. We had a little day out, courtesy of Monster,

went and watched some terrible football but you know the whole experience was amazing they've made us feel very welcome they've they've always they've had a lot of time for for both of us and been very very supportive and it's very nice because it hasn't felt forced at all it's been very genuine so yeah they're always like

that light's too big and I'm like I like my light and they're like you could low key it a bit and I'm like no I like my light I see they're going to downsize my light It's too obvious. I fucking love the shit. It looks great, man. Have you got like a plan?

Because he's done the bus. He's done the bus. Yeah. Well, we're trying to do a bus tour at the end of the year. So we'll wrap it. Yeah, we'll wrap it. We'll see if we can put our faces on it or if it just looks terrible for us.

I mean, you could do it. I think we, maybe we could pull it off. But the thing is, this is like that bit. We don't. That bit in inception. I mean, it's like, I will break up my father's empire. And it's like, you don't want to be doing what he did.

No, we want our own little take on it. You want to better it? Yeah. Well, maybe not better it, but like, do something sick. You so? But not just copying word for word. Better it. If you get it a go.

Yeah, I think maybe. We'll give it a go. Yeah, man. Okay. So what just happened is we had a little break. And Alex said, am I having a good time? Actually, I said, are you having a good time? They said, yes.

And then he said, am I having a good time? I said, am I having a great time? And you said, I said sometimes you're hard to read In what way? In the sense that Sometimes I'll be Telling a story

And I'm like, is this interesting? Is this funny? But by my facial expressions? I mean, I think that about myself anyway But yeah Sometimes you'll be hard to read Do you know what I think it might be? What?

It's an element of that diva Energy that we've discussed In the past My diva or your diva? Your diva. What about my fucking diva energy? What about it? What did we discuss before?

I can't remember. Don't you remember? The whole thing was me calling you out for being a diva on the BWP tour. I can't remember it if I can't say it again.

There wasn't even that much of a point on the first time but you took it very, I feel like you latched onto it and I meant no offence by it. I mean I am a diva. Yeah, but

I was too, I checked out of that band. When I'll check out of a band, I need fucking everything on the platter. Yeah. And then I'll just quit. That's why I...

What would you mean? I can't go to Bamaygan, I quit. I fucking quit. I think that's kind of where my lever is now, to be honest. I definitely feel like I've embodied some of that divvyver energy. I'm just being old. But also, do you know, I mean, I'm on the road for fucking... Well, we're on the road for half of a year.

Fuck me for wanting a bed and a shower as a bare minimum. Bamwagon shower is actually busting as well. Bamwagon showers are all lit. Wait. We're still on this. What do you mean I'm hard to read? That makes me feel bad as a huts. I think maybe the tonality of your voice as well makes it feel like

you being a bit sarcastic a lot of the time. See, that's not good. I think that's just who I am. I don't think it's a bad thing, but... I mean, definitely it is a bad thing. I think it's endearing. I've got nothing, thank you. This guy's fucking good.

No, no, that it's your... Well, like, you were telling me a story in your head while you're telling me it. No, I think it's... I mean, I don't even know if this is worth going there, but it's when you're like, look it down on the iPad. I'm like, oh my God, am I boring him? Oh, so this happens a lot, right? It's only because...

I've got all these questions. Like, and I always, I write all the questions out. And then what happens is, as the conversation goes, we hit some of the points already. Yeah, yeah. And then I've got follow-up questions for those. So I'm trying to sneakie. You forget in the camera when this is on,

is on you at this point. Yeah, yeah. So people aren't looking at me, looking for my follow-up to what you just said, which I'd actually plan to do in 25 minutes time. But I understand as a fucking, imagine you're having a conversation. It's like you're having a conversation with someone.

in the pub and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they pull out their fucking phone. But it's actually me trying to guide. So I apologize. No, no, no, no, no. These fuckers don't see it. They just say, what an excellent hurt. How's he just, how's he brought that back? Let me, let me pull back on this, right?

I feel like I love this podcast because of you hosting it. And that one of the main reasons why I've, I've hit you up a few times about we need to do this again is because I love you as a host. And I don't want you to feel like that was a day. at you by saying that. No, I don't. I tell them that all the time, actually. You are?

Don't worry. You think that all the time? Yes. You're a very stoic man. So don't worry. Everyone says, like, don't worry. Everyone says stoic is like a good thing. And I'm like, I fucking hate.

I'm naturally stoic. I get from my fucking dad. And like, people say stuff like that to me all the time. Like, oh, I thought you hated me. And I'm like, no, I fucking love you. And they're like, your face doesn't fucking show it. I can't beat it. No, no, no.

I can't beat the stoic allegation. I just do you are. I'm just embrace it. I felt like that came across as me attacking you. No, I didn't at all. But I actually, as, like I did poison a well last week, and Madison wasn't here, so I kept looking at the cameras.

And at one point, Jeff goes, am I boring you? And I was like, no, I've just got to check the fucking cameras are still going, bro. I would love it if we could just have a chat without me having to guide it. Yeah, yeah, no, no. I'm doing it again.

No, but what you do, I admire it because I could never do it. I could never host a conversation like you are. And one of the... It's not. It's not. They have a chat. You break our contact. The other person thinks you hate them.

You have a little look. Doing the next question? No. You carry the interviews very well. And that's one of the reasons why I enjoyed it the first time we were on. The lads have said the same. Credit where credit's due. There is not many people doing what you're doing in this space.

So I put a lot of respect on your name because what you've built is fucking sick. Thanks, man. I love doing it. That's why I'm not in a fucking mess. I can't do it. Mate, I can't even know the conversation with my mates.

You can. You are holding up right now. I see it's the best fucking job in the world. Like I just get to talk to my mate. Like, it's the best when mates come in like this. Yeah. And then at the end,

I'm like, I hope they like it. I had a lovely time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do have to remember people they want a little fucking insight to music shit. Yeah,

yeah. And I'm like, I think if you come on something like this, you have to been happy to give that. The worst. And I mean, this is good because it's fucking, absolute banter and your great guess,

but like, thank you. The worst is having someone and has got no banter. And obviously you know me and you're, if you know me and you're thinking, I can't get read on him,

imagine what fucking strange it feels. Yeah. Kind of awesome. Kind of sick. A little superpower in it. Welcome to the show. Fucking. Oh, UK.

No, that's America. What's our one? I was about to do star, Spangled ban. God, Say, uh, oh, have you seen our tip list on the merch desk on this tour? Merch report shared it. What is it?

Put it up. Because we have a special tip list on the merch desk on this tour for anybody who is visiting the malevolence merch table, seeing one of my good friends, Ewan Clark. Things I will say for tips, bottle of water. Classic. Can you say it for me? Bottle of water.

Bottle of water. Bottle of water. See, Americans give us shit for bottle. bottle, right? Yours was the most bottle of all of us, but now I've said it, mine's pretty fucking bad. But they say bottle. Yeah, where's the A and the R coming in?

They got a D. They've got two D's. Bottle. Bile of water. There's no, and they're like, oh, you don't say the teas. I'm like, neither do you. You say a fucking D. Tea and crumpets.

I do miss a crumpet. Crumpets are good. What's your topping on a crumpet, though? Are you a plain bottle guy, or do you mix it open? I do normally, I actually went through a serious period of my life, like being a real crumpet, man. Like, I would have crumpets. Pause.

Pause on that. That actually sounds like a slur. Yo. He's a bit of a crumpet, man. He's checking for the offside flag on that one. I would have two butter and two would jam. I'd eat four at a time and I'd have six eggs. What are you having?

Same. Yeah, you've got to have a savory and sweet. You like a crumpet? I love crumpets. What are you having on your crumpets? Just butter? I've got to have one is like The crumpet's the exciting part for me

I don't feel like I need to top it up I'm just happy to have the crumpet That sounded really like a philosophical That sounded great You got to appreciate the crumpet Before you appreciate the topic Nice Nice, that's fucking good

You ever had a crumpet? I don't think so How is you explain a crumpet to American? I don't even know They call pancakes flat jacks It's like, it's similar in it like it's, it almost looks like a pancake. It's a slightly taller, but it's much denser. Denser and spongier.

They're fucking busting. It's like biting into a kitchen. Like a sponge. Yeah, kitchen sponge. But delicious. But you're all right to tell me, we've got crumpies. They're called fucking glamados. The closest we would have it to that from the photos, at least, would be like an English

muffin. No, that's completely different. That's got the same kind of porous breading kind of vibe. So I think maybe you've got the incorrect English muffins here then because they're not porous. They're basically just bread. Ours are porous. Really? Maybe they're calling a crumpet and an English muffin. Call the crumpet a crumpet, do you know what I mean?

Another great quote. I like him. He calls a crumpet a crumpet. Also, UK slang for, well, she's a bit of a crumpet. A bit of crumpet that. Usually if you would say, I wouldn't say these things, obviously. Posh bit of crumpet, you would say someone would say if they were sort of objectifying a rich woman. I wouldn't say it. Your Majesty is on the tip list.

Harry Potter, that one's in. Cut the other ones, that one's big. Harry Potter, does he just say, Harry Potter? Harry Potter? Does you say it like that? Is that how I just said it? That was a great, Hagrid.

Harry. That was actually fucking got that one. That was fucking banging. And then it's Tuesday in it. You know what? It's Tuesday in it. Emma from dying wish makes me say it's Tuesday in it. And then she says Tuesday in it to me constantly.

Now, I'll give them that one. I'm not going to give them a bottle of water. That's nice. I'm not going to give them a bottle of water because they fuck it up by saying bottle. But Tuesday, everyone's kind of rough for us. I don't think so. It looks the way that you say it, I think.

Tuesday. No, but you didn't even say Tuesday. I mean, I definitely lessened on the, on the chair. Yeah, you said, you said Tuesday. Tuesday. Say it. Tuesday. But that's, that, you had a tea there, definitely.

I could hear the tea, I think. No, right. All right. American person. We come to you. All right. How are you spelling? then Tuesday.

C.H. Say Tuesday. Tuesday. There is a T. I see what you're saying. You can't hear the T, but it definitely is still a sound in there.

Tuesday. Maybe a T-C-H there. Yes. Say it? Tuesday. Well, you then said with a C. He had a good C-H there. The other one I'll give them is a

garage. Oh, no. I won't ever fucking say it. I'll say garage until the day I die. But they're kind of right. Garage. Garage. Garage.

I've talked about this. Oh, yeah, actually. The garbage. Someone left the comment saying you don't say garbage. And I was like, okay, well, I'm fucking wrong then, aren't it? I'm having fun. I'm just checking the time. So somebody did actually come to the merch desk in Pittsburgh and went,

what? So you can, you're going to sing the national anthem to you and you and sang it word for word. 20 bucks. 20 bucks. Oh, that's the bottom of the tip list. just slammed it down and fucked off. I was like, that's, that's beautiful. It's kind of sick.

Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about America a bit, actually. I've got some fucking little America questions. What's the biggest culture shock when you're in America? Guns. I feel like, especially in some areas, last time we went and shot guns and Harvey pointed out of us all because he didn't like it.

So we were like, we could have all just died. What? What happened? Well, we went to this guy's like, he has like um just a house and he just shoots mad guns on american person yeah we do into an american person's house and uh he had all this stuff like you know like 50 50 kall sniper rifles and stuff oh but he let us shoot like a load of his guns and uh we started on these like little pistols or whatever and we all had a go and then our sound guy i don't want to embarrass him or anything because he's he's

he's a great little guy but um great little guy he took he took i mean he's only he's only young he's like 21 yeah he's just for a reference their sound guy is our sound guy's little brother yeah so we we have we have we have the james brothers out on the first tour together yes and it's so funny that it's that way around yeah you've got the bigger brother and you've got the little brother that's it's almost like a fucking cartoon this is a fucking joke could it could easily be but yeah we were on this guys like in his garden shooting these guns and he he took her one shot and he just didn't like it which was fair i didn't i didn't like it either but he turned around like with the gun like you know like i don't want to do this oh yeah yeah he actually pointed it straight at the guy's face but he

weren't looking look yeah you can't and then i like jump behind jack i was like no way i'm dying like there's like etiquette yeah yeah yeah yeah i felt bad for him because like as soon as i shot it i was like oh my god like take this out of my hands it's like it's scary dude terrifying and um but we got to shoot like some crazy stuff like Are you off it then? You don't... I think... I don't know what it's like here to live here.

Like, you know, in the UK, there's never been a point where I'm like, I need a gun. I think... You know what I mean? I've talked about it on the podcast a bunch times, because obviously I'm in fucking America and people are either pro-gun or against gun or whatever. I feel like the UK, we did it right. There was Dunblane and then they went, right, ban on handguns. And that was it.

There was early enough in fucking, what, 93 or whatever it was, and that band, and guess what? No one fucking did it again. Yeah. So we had the right thing, but here it's like too far gone. If they got rid of it now. It's catch 22 though, isn't it? There's too many people with guns.

Yeah, you can say, you know, like, it's so easy to just kill someone we want. But then there's so many lunatics out there nowadays. Who have one? Who have one. You don't have one. And that's the argument, isn't it? If you don't, then you end up getting shot. There's no fucking answer.

How do you feel about guns? I mean, we've got a day off in New Orleans on Tuesday. And I found a place where you can ride on a fan boat and shoot guns. Oh, my dream. Yeah. On a fucking swamp or what? Yeah. And shoot guns off the boat?

Apparently so. That's sick. We're still on the culture shock. You got a different culture shock or is it just also guns? Honestly, for me, the biggest cause of shock is the food. Good or bad? Bad. It's hard to find good quality food over here,

and I know that people are going to be on me for saying that, because I'm sure it's available somewhere, but it's fucking expensive to eat here. And on this tour where I've bought like a little hob. I'm cooking in the bag of wagon every night, but even just going to Walmart and getting some mince and some rice and, you know, just doing like a little beef bowl thing, it's fucking expensive, bro.

And trying to find stuff where it's not full of sugar, it's not full of, like, just random crap. It's hard. Now that I agree with and that I fucking struggle with. And it's like the basic ingredients here, the levels of, like, food standards

are so much lower than Europe. So, like, your basic shit here can be fucking poisonous, like terrible shit. And then to get, what would be considered like low grade in the UK, like mince or something, for example, or like something, like, to get something that's grass-fed here,

you're paying out of the fucking ass. Yeah. It says a lot where you buy a box of strawberries at the start of the tour, you put them in the bandwagon fridge. They're still going like at the end of the tour. They are riper than ever. Right. What the fuck is in that strawberry?

And not only that, the strawberries is the size of your fucking fist. Yeah. That's not natural. bread lasts forever here. Yeah. It just doesn't go off. It's fucking crazy. Yeah.

So that's the thing I struggle with the most. Where are you eating fast food boys? You're on the road. Keynes. Keynes is fucking bang. So good. Certified Kaniac. Oh, we're not.

Keynes so bad now. Keynes is great. Chipotle is good. I've never had Chipotle until this tour. Chipotle is my go-to-want-thor. Chiple's good. What's your order? The steak, brown rice,

quark, sour cream. I don't keep it very healthy. I just have everything on. Is this a burrito or is it a bowl? Oh, a bowl every time. A bowl. Little tortillas on the side or not? Not yet.

That's the move for me. I go for the chips, chips and salsa. I'll get three little tortillas on the side and make my own little. Honey Cup put me onto that, to be fair. I feel like he got that from me. A chapo, my old head. What's yours?

Probably the same. Like I said, I've only been twice. my first two times ever so obviously it's the bowl but then i like the chicken's good i like the steak's good i like to i like all the sauces when they go for the scoop and i'll say like can i get double chicken or double or like one scoop of chicken one scoop the beef they scoop the first scoop and they put it down and then they go to scoop the second scoop and they go to pour it and you go actually I'll just have single. And then what happens is when they put that back,

just spill a little bit more. So you get like a 1.1.2 scoop. That got very intense. 1.2 skeak. For a cheeky little quarter scoop. I don't really do that. I saw a fucking TikTok over there. I always just get double.

I get double. Or sometimes I'll ask for double if they're a heavy-handed, then I will ask for single. Yeah. God, I'm fucking hungry, boys. Just wrap this up. Me too. Oh, yes, late as well.

Yeah, you want to do a quick-fire thing? Yeah, let's go. man. Who's the biggest liability on tour? Wilkie. And I only say Wilkie because, what, how many shows have we done so far? Nine.

Eight of the nine shows, when we've turned up to sound check, his bass doesn't work. Really? For one reason or the other. It's a fucking bassist thing. Dragon Nake had that all the time. Love him to death,

but it was like, my base is making a crazy noise. I've been making that noise for 10 years, brother. I left to come to do this podcast, and as I was leaving, Wilkie's bass was going, I wonder what the fuck it is. Same...

Confiriting... Cortex on this tour as well, he said. Yeah. So he's liability... Willkie the time. Is he the liability off the stage as well? If you're around about town or whatever?

No, he's pretty locked in. Like, he's the guy that you go to if you want to know what we're doing in two days time, where the good food spots are, where the fucking best shops are, where the best running spots are. He's like a little bit of an influencer.

He is a bit. He loves to post the fucking... Like, Malaga, fucking, whatever. What's a typical day off, like, on tour where you've just told me about guns? Depends on the vibe. If we've got somewhere that we can, like, generally at the moment I'm feeling getting out of the city,

so, like, I'm trying to go to, like, a beach or just somewhere that's a little bit quieter that we can just chill and just vibe. Oh, God, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's nothing very exciting, honestly. Sometimes we'll do some crazy stuff. Like last time we were out here, we rented a boat for the day in California and we went wakeboarding.

Yes, that's nice. Yeah, we're trying to do fun shit like that. In fact, actually, last time we had some amazing days off, we were in the desert in Moab, and we rented June Buggies and went into the fucking dunes. Yeah, so you come up in that conversation like, yeah, we don't really do anything on those. June buggies, uh, fucking boats. What about you? We're boring.

It depends on the drive. If we got a big drive, we'll just box that off. But we, uh, we'll get some fast food. Maybe I hop to start the day off, right? Right. The amount of times I've heard Lily go, would you want to go to IHop in morning? She loves an I-Hop.

The French toast, though, dude. I could eat that every day. I've always gone for pancakes there. That's what you're going wrong, mate. French toast, good. But then we love an outlet, you know, like. Well, out of the Shards. Yeah, yeah.

A pair of T-Ns. No, but. Are you out on T-Ns? Well, we're Adidas, aren't we? We've got to go all in Adidas. Shit. Yeah, we got our own Adidas. Adidas shoes so

we gotta rep the brand We got us fly the flag That's fucking sick Where's your fucking shoe, bro? That's a shoe coming That's a shoe coming Who would survive the longest If this touring package

Broke down In a desert I'm gonna say my love You reckon? Nah, you lot can't manage that You gotta have the tour bus Bro We're surviving in the van mate

Yeah, but you broke down. Yeah, but we're in a bandwagon, and you've got to remember we've got Con who can fucking fix everything. That's all we had a bandwagon. Yeah, but that's out of the question. You can't fix it. Well, no, I didn't. In my roads.

All right, well, they will survive because Connor just fixed a bandwagon. Yeah, he used, what do he used to do as a job? What does he still do? He's like a trading. Builder, mechanic. Oh, yeah. They're fine. What about a fight?

Band versus band. Have you seen the size of half a guilt trip, man? Yeah, but... Couldn't eat water if we fell out of a boat, it was, like, me. Yeah, but you could be sneaky fucking M&A. I feel like Tom's... I feel like Tom's secretly hard. No.

Really? Tom's a softy, man. Tom's a big softy. Tom looks like he might be the sort of person that got to ask you. He's super agile, sick mosher, but I think he's a big softy. Jack's pretty tough. I've seen Jack have a few scraps. Me and Jack have had a few.

together Sam Sam's like Sam just he's just a good vibe all the time I've never seen him angry right and Lily out

I mean she you know she gets pissed off a lot but I don't really see her as much of a fighter so you think they'd win I think they'd win because like Conn actually does fire if the fight comes down to it

and it had to happen I reckon you might win on grounds of them or being quite nice and then being like oh I can't be her Yeah. Yeah.

You think you could kick their asses? I think if he took Lily out, they did outnumber us anyway, but I mean, I don't know, I don't know. A thousand percent, yes. Sorry, brother. I don't know if I could beat up anyone in my left. So, you know, I'm just getting squashed straight away.

Jack, I mean, Jack has a fighting chance. Yeah, probably. And Wilkie. But on my good day, you know, if I've had a bit of a hop in the morning, I'll take them both at once. I've got one for you Who do you reckon is the better

Collective Mosher's? I think Who has the best stage dees? You know what? I think Guiltry it, mate because I think Sam's a low-key sick mosher. Tom's like insane

He's like he's been kicking the lights out of the ceiling at the show. Are you still moshing at shows? No. Exactly. I was going to say they're still moshing.

I'm retired but I mean I'm still throwing myself about on stage. I was moshing for you last night. 31, yeah. Okay. So you ought to best moshers? Because you've all retired.

I'm all right. Tom's amazing. Sam's pretty good. Collectively, there's more style in guilt trips Mosh than Mellevelin's Mosh. I reckon me, Charlie and Wilkie are flying the flag for Mulev in terms of dancing. Yeah, but off the stage and you're not doing it. Are they doing it off the stage? You've all retired in your bandwagon, straight to the bandwagon for a glass of champagne while they're moshing.

I'd come out of Mosh retirement for the right band. Who would it be? It'd be hate breed doing some 20 year anniversary tour. Which they have been doing. Which they have been doing, yeah. You're going to have to fucking, if anyone sees this motherfucker at a hate breed anniversary show. I'm taking your head off.

And you just still mosh to this day. Yeah, I'm off for anyone. I mean, we were in Singapore. We were mashing for the opening band just because that's the coolest fucking thing I've ever heard. So I'll just like, fuck this. That's so sick. So yeah, we still mosh quite a lot.

We kind of have this rule where, like, early on in the tour, like, you don't want to injure yourself and, like, chart the tour up. But, you know, if you're playing with a sick band, like, I've been dying to Moucester Chamber. But I just know I'm going to get hurt because, you know, I'm only small. But you can throw them around. I do want to give it a go. But I'm saving it for later in the tour, just in case. I mean, that's fucking cool.

Last gig I ever washed out. I've got the poster right here. Because I was going to give it to them and I'm like, I've already got this. Oh, yeah. Who's in the well? What year is it? I believe it was 2005, I think it was. Newport T.J.'s got my nose broken.

So you've been in Mosh retirement for 21 years. It's never been the same again. I literally got my nose fucking broken. I've never fixed it. Is that the reason you stopped Moshing? Yeah. I was like, that was fucking horrible. I'm not doing it ever again.

I don't think I fucking haven't done it in 21 years. I can't remember how to do it. Sometimes I would do, I would do it. two-step because only because my style of two-step annoys the fuck out of Tom Williams so much that sometimes i would i would drop a two-step uh for someone that's supporting us sometimes i quite often would mosh when other bands were sound checking yeah because i don't feel very confident in my mosh but if a band is sound checking i'm in you know when that awkward bit you walk across when you walk across the fucking room wild band i'll just mosh

Yeah. Because I'm like, how can I make it less awkward? Oh, Mosh. Yeah. Mostly a two-step and mostly to piss Tom off, because I do like a little face as well. You know, like a little fuck. That's fair enough.

I tell you one gig I would moshat, which has just been announced today. Go. Bring me their eyes and pray for plagues. That beat down at the end of play for pragues. Can't kill someone, bro. And on a no barricade show. I heard it the other day.

Yeah. The remix. It's completely remixed. I don't know if it's common knowledge. a jet. It's out. It's on Instagram. Well, a part of it is. It's a buster from a fucking...

Throne. Yeah, Throne. He mixed it. Wow. Fucking sounds amazing. Sounds incredible. Yeah. I would come out of Mosh retirement for that. Well, you're going to have to. All right, you've got to trade one member of each band with each other.

Who you pick him? It's a straight spot. I'm taking con, bro. What for? For the vibe or the pipes on you? because he knows everything. I mean, we don't have many technical issues, to be fair, but I feel like it'd just be good to have there. Obviously, he does the singing,

and he plays, he shreds. He's vital, so I'd take con. You're taking, Con. Who's taking? Him, so you can stay at home. Yeah. That's it. That's it.

Done it all. What's the next? So we're home for like three days, then we fly to Jakarta for Hamasonic. Never done it. Been to Jakarta, many. but never done Hamasonic. First time for us.

You're just doing that one show? Just flying out there. Then we fly to Florida for the Blood for Blood event. Oh, fuck, yeah. I forgot about that. And then we fly, we come home. Got Slamdunk. Headlining one of the stages at Slamdunk.

Love Slamdunk. And then we've got like the busiest festival season summer that we've ever had. We're out for like six weeks on a bus in Europe. Sunshine. Bus, bus on the festival tour. A real butt, a real life bus. Real bus. Rapped?

You getting it wrapped? Nah, we're going to have a bit of time off. You can't do it too much. I don't always headliner. I've never done a full festival run on a real life bus. I've done it on like the ones that they convert into a bus. Yeah.

But like that's like that is probably other than Japan, number one thing I mean, I guess number two thing I miss about being in a band is the summer festival tour. Yeah. As long as you're on a bus because those drives are fucking crazy. I'm really excited for it. First time will have been. doing it, we'll be taking like proper production

and then we're doing a lot of side shows in between the first place as well. No, no. I am. Proper production, is it? I just don't give a fuck about it. What's your production? What you got? You don't want to give it away? It's still being decided, honestly. Inflatable, something? There was talk of that this morning, yeah.

Someone was telling me the other day that inflatables are out now and I'm like, no, they're still so fucking good. Bleed from within, I've just got there, some big spiky thing, apparently, Wilkie was telling me about this morning, it's meant to be amazing. Big spiky thing, was... Hagis. spiky haggis.

There's been a back and forth debate about whether you can let me know in the comments right. Do you want to see a malevolent show with fire? Would it do anything for you? Or are you of the opinion that I should have more money in my pocket? I should have more money to feed my new

upcoming unborn child. Found out I'm going to be a dad. Yay! Pah! Bapha! Faking Leve the Dad Band. Congratulations. Thank you very much. I don't know where this is. going out but

three weeks three weeks that's fine it'll be in it'll be public knowledge by them the paparazzi you'll know by then

you seem like a band that fire would be cool I just I just cool with everybody yeah I disagree I just think

why do you have to get to a certain level then all of a sudden you've got to have fire on the stage it's very expensive I know I can tell

but it looks sick as fuck dude sometimes you just got to do it does it though yeah it does it right nodding

nodding nodding. It does if you fucking bring me their eyes and you've got flames firing from every direction, but if you've got four jets at the front going, yeah,

I do actually want people in the comments because I think it's cool. I think it's really cool. Especially when you say it for the biggest song, biggest breakdown and it just goes, I know what you're saying though, like if it's not all the way, like huge,

don't bother. Yeah, I would only be buzzing to use pyro if it looks like a fucking bomb's gone off. Yeah. Until then, do you want to see him a

level at the show with Pirro or would you rather us feed the kids feed their kids what you got coming on we got slam dunk as well same stage yeah we're on the same stage

we're bloody separate you too no no no we can't joint of the hip it's pretty good though yeah it's fucking Adam Foster yeah he's having a great time slam those two together and then our album's out

like a week after that and then we go we come back here for some festivals and we're doing some off shows in between with Dying Wish. And then we're trying to arrange our headliner at the end of the year in UK and Europe in October, November. Fuck you.

Where are you playing with Dying Wish? I don't know. The routing's not like confirmed yet, but we're playing incarceration and we're playing... We'll be there. We will be there. Yeah. And we're playing Warped Tour as well.

Fuck yeah. Yeah. And then a couple more, and then we're going to do some shows in between with them. Sick. Well, I'll see you at incarceration. Yeah. They'll probably have been served

an incarceration ad by this point, given it your pain yet. I've heard it's a lot of fun. I've never been. I've not either. I'm really looking forward to it. She's an Ohio native. That was like the big one that everyone went to

because it was so close to where I'm from. So I don't know on a go. So I'm really excited. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to Wap Tour as well. Like, you know, it's one of them that you see on on the TV growing up. Is that the same?

All right. It's not the same. It's not so it used to be. I don't know. I've never done it. I was just fucking, that's what I read on the fucking internet. Well, you can't believe everything you read on the internet, mate. We can't get...

I know. We can't get booked for any of these American festivals. Why not? Not even... Now, we've took you out on this one. You might get a chance at it. Be it. Have a lovely show.

Thanks for coming on. Thank you, mate. Thanks for having us. It's always a pleasure. Yeah, it was great. We'll do it again. I mean, we'll have to do it separately at some point. Yeah, that would also be fun.

Let me know if you thought this was shit because I couldn't really go in depth with either person. but I had fun. I thought it was great. I had a great time. That's all the fucking matters. Madison, you have a good time? Great time.

Everyone had a good time. Everyone's up here. Peace. Thank you.