The Downbeat - Isaac Hale - Knocked Loose

Episode Date: October 4, 2022

I caught up with Isaac from Knocked Loose after their US arena tour with $UICIDEBOY$ and ahead of their huge tour with Bring Me The Horizon to talk TikTok, hardcore, laptops in music, ramen - and everything in between.

What's up, you gorgeous, somewhat dumb motherfuckers? That was a bit rude of me to call you dumb. And motherfuckers, actually. Motherfuckers is not, unless you're into milfs, not particularly nice thing to say, I take it all back, actually. Been a while since I did one of these. If you're watching this on YouTube, you will see I'm in a lovely new location. This is the new podcast studio.

This is where, behind me, if you're listening to this on audio, this will mean nothing, so I'll make it. it quick. Behind me, if you're listening to this on audio, I just lent back and showed people will be where the podcast is taking place. It's a fucking TV studio, basically. I've built a TV studio. I went to NBC. I worked at NBC for a week and now I think I'm a TV producer. So if you're like a press agent watching this or listening to this and you're like, oh, I've got some people that are in Glasgow. I don't want to do remote. I've got people that are in Glasgow. I want to talk to them. I don't care who they are.

Guess what? They don't even have to be drummers, as you'll find out in a minute. Also, if you're watching this on YouTube, I've got a lovely sweatshirt on. It's lovely. It's quite a thick, warm thing. Where did you get that from, Craig? Actually, I've got it from www. The Downb-E....combeats downbeat. Bunch of new shit on there. Please, please pick something up so I can afford this studio.

What I didn't think of when building this studio inside my house is that there's three fucking animals. that just wait until I record something and need it to be quiet, and then they sort of start clawing at stuff, climbing over shit, making noises, having fights. So if you hear any of that, sorry, that's now a feature of the podcast. Think of it as a little extra bonus. My guest this week is Isaac Hale of Knock Luce. He's the guitarist.

He's, I'm sure, he's some of the brains as well as just being the guitar brain behind the band. we caught up in a Chinatown hotel room in New York which if you're watching this on YouTube you will see sort of looks a bit sexy we jerry rigged something up

so we could get the nice video thanks to the people at Road not an ad but kind of an ad for the lav mics I used I think it sounds quite good but the real the real star of the show is Isaac we had a lovely chat about everything

from his band becoming massive on TikTok with the arf-a-f talked about their EP A Tearing the Fabric of Life and the accompanying animated video which if you haven't seen it's fucking amazing

go and have a look at that we talked about their tour with suicide boys how that came about we talked about their current tour which they're on right now with Bringing Horizon

which hadn't begun by that point I think it happened the day afterwards we talked about Raman and his Dream Festival of course that's about it it's Isaac Hale from Knock Loose

on the Downbeat Podcast Yeah Talk to me about this bravery Yeah What do you mean you're brave What with water I'm not actually If it's

There's well what happens is Someone Like I'm really thirsty Right And I don't want Sounds wrong Especially in this Yeah yeah

Sexy Yeah in this Room that I've created In our mini porn That were Jerry rigged porn room yeah what happens is I'm thirsty and I want a soda or excuse me not a soda I want a I want a fruity beverage something nice okay I can't get it so I

want water but someone tells me I you probably shouldn't do that you want a fruit your beverage yeah I want a beverage can't get to it want a water needs something to quench my thirst someone tells me I should probably get a bottle of water because it's not safe but I really can't be bothered to what country and anywhere besides i mean maybe won't maybe not southeast asia maybe i'm not drinking southeast asia hotel water hotel water anywhere else i'm pretty fine with it my issue was watching did you see that documentary on netflix about the girl that climbed into the tank in that hotel the hotel cecile in on tigero no you're right okay so

that that was the venue we just played it with prada in and it's in Skid Row. I can't remember what it's called. You've definitely played it. I have definitely played it. Don't know what it's called. A hotel, I want to say, Cecil is up the road. And there was a people were starting, the water in the hotel room was tasting weird. And they were like, oh, that's weird. And then the water in the hotel room. Kind of tastes like there's a person in my water. So there was like a, there's a slight red tint to it. And then it basically transpires as a woman's body in the water thing on the ceiling. That's awesome.

I mean, isn't it? But like, that's how people found out. And then now when I'm in a hotel and there's just, there's no bottles and there's just a glass, I'm like, is this going to be body? I will say, I kind of, I try to test my, I feel like testing my luck, though, because I will say that I've never had a water-related stomach issue ever. never have I drank something like drank water and been like oh I got food poisoning drink poisoning from that

it's not happening to me wait that means you must be able to pinpoint every food poisoning ever I haven't had food poisoning very often I have a pretty strong stomach run me through these food poisoning okay Taco Bell

like me too I don't take I don't eat anymore like okay no I still fucking love it really but this was like 12 years ago it fucked me and I've forgiven it since and weirdly Taco Bell is still appetizing it.

It fucked me once and it fucked Will part me really badly once and now I know it fucked you I'm just out. Yeah. No, that's, I mean,

it's, I mean, there's better stuff for you. You know, it was the lettuce from the crunch wrap Supreme coming back out was really just...

That's cool that you're able to define. Yeah. That's what it was. When people are like, oh, I can't drink tequila anymore because oh the way it tastes it on the way out that's me with talk about lettuce oh fuck yeah that's

it i can't do it because it was i must have been like it must have been late at night i probably had a few drinks and i i wasn't chewing i was just swallowing the disease and the lettuce and then it came back up undigested that's a crazy thing to be able to identify coming out of you is lettuce because i just think lettuce is water in solid form well does that mean that the Because most food poisoning comes from lettuce comes from the salad. I didn't know that. You didn't know that? I did not know that?

Badly stored salad. Because there's anything that has... And to think that people, growing up, your parents are always telling you eat salads. You should eat Oreo. It's all bullshit, yeah. If you want to be, if you want to stay away, eat Oreos. Go to the gym and eat Oreos. It's fucking absolutely perfect.

I do one of those things. Give me another food poisoning and we're going to find out if it was water or not. Um. It was, I think it was after Outback Steakhouse. Really? Really? Again, when I was a child. But again, not, that one's not definable.

I knew the Taco Bell did it the first time. I don't know if it was Outback this time. What does that have? A pretty strong stomach. What did you have at Outback? Mac and Cheese. There's no way. Yeah.

It comes out nuclear. Yeah. So the disease has been, the Macon disease has been out. No. Maybe it was the, water? Probably the water. Out there. Where was the outback? It was in Louisville, Kentucky, which

no, which... It sounds like it was the water. No. Louisville actually has... This was 2020. It was like 2019 and 2020 was voted the healthiest, clearest water in the United States of America. That's not a joke.

Isn't it like landlocked? No. What you got? You got water at the... I don't fucking know. It is. It's like in the middle of nowhere. What's the states around it? Indiana. Oh, fucking out. West Virginia.

Tennessee. How is everyone I know from Louisville, like, cool? And then those points. Well, because it's the one haven of cool in that. Because, like, there's nothing really else going on. Like, even Louisville in Kentucky, like, everything in Kentucky sucks. But then Louisville's, like, pretty cool. Yeah.

And so. Indiana. Fort Wayne, Indiana, specifically, is in my top five least enjoyed places. You know what? I'd rather be this is, you know what, I'm wrong. I was about to say I'd rather be in Fort Wayne than Indianapolis. I don't think that's true, but Indianapolis is fucking terrible. Sorry if you're from Indianapolis.

Is that, sorry? See, my geography is bad. Indianapolis, is that in Indiana? Yes. It would make sense. Yes. is Minneapolis No

Is that in Minnesota Yeah you're correct The way Americans Name shit is so We're so cute We're so cute We're so cute Let's make this about your band

Do you play in a band called Knock Lute I do I had a Wardrobe Malfunction today Yes Because of your band Why

Because What happened Was I'm just off Nine weeks in the States Yes I have no clean clothes. Mm-hmm.

That suitcase that we have... Jerry rigged. Jerry rigged as a tripod. Yes. It's filled with unwashed clothes except I've found three t-shirts. That's awesome. Dying which one I'm wearing, thankfully. But the other two are both not loose.

I can't do the podcast where I'm... What am I, the fucking guy from... Yeah. What is it fucking bees? Yeah. So, yeah, I've got my dime wish. I've got my cred. I tried to wear the purple knock glue shirt on Seth Myers and they didn't want color

because the background was blue and it didn't look good. Well, I'm offended. I try so hard. Yeah. I love that t-shirt. It's a good t-shirt. You know, it's crazy? When you're at metal shows and hardcore shows or whatever, people, it's always the black

t-shirt that sells usually. It's like you do some cool pretty color. Yeah, and you're like, oh, we worked really hard on this cool color and no one fucking buys it. Yeah. And we just did this rap tour and Everyone wanted that purple shirt. It was the only shirt that was all that's fucking cool, which is crazy Suicide boys. Yes, how did that come about? How the fuck was it? So Normally we just hear about we I just assumed that this was something that came out through a manager or a booking agent or whatever, but actually I think it started with

Ruby one of the vocalists, one of the guys, just like the band and was just like into us. And we played with Suicide Boys a knotfest last year. And he approached us then.

It was like, hey, I'm trying to get you on our thing that we got going on. And we were like, oh, fuck yeah. We didn't know that that would happen. But yeah, we got it. got the offer and we just assumed it was because the dude dug what we were doing and then we show up first day and yeah it's like everyone's super sick that dude comes up and it's just like thank you for doing this like y'all are the shit talks to us for like a fucking hour or whatever

um so i think that's how we got hooked up with it was just the dude's dope and liked the band uh and it was awesome how big with the shows it's the biggest shows almost the biggest shows i've ever seen in my life. Wow. Not counting fests, but I've, the biggest show I've ever seen in my life was Metallica in my hometown, and that was 25,000. Yeah. And these shows were like, it's Albuquerque, New Mexico, sold out 16K.

Jesus fucking Christ. Like, oh, it's a pretty good day. 18K, pretty good day. You know, 19K. Oh, today sucks. only a 9,000 cap room. That is insane. What was the lineup?

That tour's finished. So that tour is going on now without us. And then we come back for two more shows. We're playing Red Rocks for the first time. Oh, I'm so jealous. And it's two back-to-back shows. That's on a bucket list. I'm fucking stoked.

I don't know. Like, obviously, it's like mostly a seated venue. So it's like kind of sucks for like a metal band. But just like being there and being like, oh, look at the. cool-ass rock you know it's like that's like oh wow

I want to be on the stage I've seen the rock it's cool fuck yeah I always wonder what the acoustics are gonna be like probably terrible a lot of fucking rock

so bad yeah it's right there as well it's slap back we have I have this joke that it's just like it's just going to be

the worst experience ever it might be but the lineup from bottom to top was DJ scheme who's

ski mask DJ does like a DJ set which is basically just playing popular music. Cool. And he mosh calls over it, which is awesome. Nice. And then Max O'Creen. And then us, snot,

Ski Mask, Suicide Boys, and then Code Orange hopped on like not too long ago. We did some shows with them and they were playing before Maxo. So they were second. second. Okay. Yeah. And then do you find that you're getting new fans from it or is it just like we're on there? No one there knows who we are. If there's 16,000 people there, there's 10 people that know not loose. But is that actually translating or are they just going? I mean it has to without fucking people. We don't we don't yeah because like the way that I view shows like that

is like if I get five percent. Yeah, that's so many people. That is so many people. That is so many people. So we just go up there. We're just really good about going up there and just being like, okay, like our stage now. Like, you belong to me now. Nice. So it's just like, you know, and we're screaming at people to do whatever. And the thing is that those

crowds are usually really responsive because they're just so excited to be at a show like that. Not only that, but rap now is so like edgy. Yeah, the cross-oers is crazy. They're just asking for mosh pits and fucking like for people to fuck each other.

up and wall of deaths and shit. So it's like, we're just asking them to do the same thing, except we play breakdowns, you know. Which is inherently easier to fuck people up to. Yeah, exactly. Something about the tone. So sometimes there's a, there's a, you know,

barrier of entry where it's like, oh, we have to get them used to a guy going, or like, oh, it's a guitar. Like, wow. That's your Brian impression. Yeah. A guy going, ah! You know, it's like way higher than they're used to.

But like, to be honest, like, like watching suicide boys sets like those songs are heavy like the suicide boy set is like a heavy set and they're asking for the same pits that we're asking for so it's like it translates not to get like woo-woo yes why do you think there is more heavy music in the mainstream right now because I did a bit of press this morning yeah and this discussion came up and people had interesting thoughts I think that it's a very like time and place thing.

I can't really explain why it's happened, but I can tell you like, there's a lot of like stars aligning right now. I think, I think that lately just like edgy, society's gotten edgier. You know, people are just wanting edgier stuff because of that. And because of that, you have people, you have rappers, right? that are going to rock guys to make rock records. And then those kids are seeing that, and then they're seeing guitars, and then they're hearing punk rock,

what they think is punk rock. And then they're like, oh, mosh pits, punk rock, that's cool. You know, I mean, like, we're in a world where it's like, okay, machine gun Kelly's gone pop punk, you know, and then Trippy Red has a rock record. You know, it's like, that's the standard now. Like, that's what people are listening to half the time.

I mean, even the, like, most popular rap hip-hop songs are kind of just, like, emo tracks with a rapper over it. You know? That's been the thing for a what man. Yeah, exactly. That's been the thing for a lot. They'll take back fucking, like, the peep, not even a heavy song, but like, peep taking the postal service and shit like that. Exactly. And, like, stuff like that just means that all of that is in the limelight.

And then that combined with the fact that you have a lot of great bands out right now, like, turns, style is like one of the biggest guitar bands in the world right now literally and that's just such a crazy stars aligning thing where it's like someone that goes to cochella could listen to any turnstile song and be like oh this is awesome yeah you know oh this is like they fucking made never mind yeah exactly like that's it's literally like new neurama like it's like the crazy shit ever and like i think there's a lot of that happening you know it's like the mainstream thinking that that's cool now mixed with a bunch of great bands popping off is why it's in the limelight like it is you know what what we were talking about earlier what i was

talking about earlier was like it's really you two turnstile and knock loose are like the two that are actually breaking out of their genre and it's funny and it's interesting and it's fucking cool to me that you're the only two that I can, I'm not the only two, but you are two non-laptop bands. Yeah. And you're breaking out and I've got a theory about why like, so you, you two, it's so much rorer. Yeah. Than what, even in the heavy scene than what heavy kids are listening to. If you think of a kid who's like 18. Yeah. So they've only been going to show us for like maybe three years. Yeah.

And they only go to mainstream shows. In the last three years, probably, they just saw laptop metal core. Yeah. There's a lot of that. Continuously, which is, you know, it has its place or whatever. People like it.

It's cool. Yeah. Then a band comes out and it's like they might not even know other, like raw music to them might sound as insane as like when we first heard, like sample drums. Yeah. Like it's completely one. but they might be at show and be like wait what the fuck is this yeah we we noticed that with like

stray obviously when we were on a tour and it's you know I call them laptop bands I'm not slating them it's just like the bands with a lot of layers to the music that aren't on the stage yeah they're trying to make it sound close to the record and yeah which is you know it has a time and place or whatever but a lot of times we just have people come up to us and merch and be like that was fucking weird yeah and raw and angry and horrible. And I forget that there's kids that probably haven't even seen like Brian's fucking vocals.

Yeah. There's no one doing, I mean, there is because of you guys, but there's no one like doing that vocal. Yeah. I mean, my favorite vocalist is in my band. It's fucking awesome. And I think that there's an energy there that's not really replicated right now.

But I see what you're getting at. There's probably some point to be made there about like, oh, like, you know like a lot for like knock loose is still incredibly in how we play like relative to other bands we're still so amateur you know like we still we set up all of our own shit and oh i saw pack we get up there packing his drums down himself at the end of a festival weirdlines yeah we still get we still just get up there we like that festival that festival that you're talking about blue ridge we got up there no click started late

you know like set up all of our own stuff you know how it's you know trying to run samples click starts going through the PA just turn off the click and just just go play the set you know it was like and that shit happens all the time it's like we we still fuck up and make stupid mistakes and like I said I'm throwing my fucking guitar around and but the goal is to not make it be a perfect set the goal is not we're not trying to make it sound like the record, we're trying to make it sound heavy. You know, the live performance is a unique thing. You know, that we're trying to give someone that someone's not going to get

from listening to the record. You know, we want people to be in the moment. And I think that, you know, a band like Turnsteller or even a band like you guys, it's like there's supposed to be a different energy there. It's like you didn't go to the show to just hear the samples off the record, you know. Yeah, I literally, as you just said that I think there's a point to be made there, I just thought about it and I was like

holy shit this happened at the end of the 80s when everyone had the pitch perfect like Motley crew like that whole

that whole sound and it went on for so long that people got so tired of it and then the biggest band in the world was Nirvana which was so so much roarer if you'd look at fucking Dr. Feelgood versus bleach

yeah like it almost sounds like a fucking caveman compared to it but yeah people were they didn't know it but they were fatigued with that sound i mean like it's like when i was growing up it's like dude i i i fucking love system of a down like the band's system of a down i used to watch system of down videos all the time and they sounded terrible so bad and it was awesome like it was so sick you know like or even metalica even a band like metallica is just like i remember watching metallic videos like early and they're like playing the shit like 40 BPM faster than it actually is or just like and I was just like man there's like an energy there that's so cool so growing up for us it was like we never we never wanted like perfection of the set what the most important thing about the sets is the crowd reaction and the vibe of the show you know and we even keep that in mind when we're because we do play to a click now yeah and we don't use the record tempos we just

Yeah, we literally, we, I get in a room and I set up a computer like this and I record us like voice metal style playing it and then I make the click. That's literally what I did. Yeah. Although we, no, we used to not play to a click and then there was Hellfest main stage. You know what that's fucking like. Yes. 40,000 fucking people. And I did a bit of press afterwards and the guy goes, I noticed you played everything very quite fast.

And I was like, okay, let me watch this back. I was like, holy shit. I am too fast. point. So then I went back to an old live recording we have of the set without a click where it all felt right and then I mapped that. Yeah. Dude, we play, we like, yeah, I used, I also did that. I went back to old sets and I was just like, huh, this was a cool time. We played that song. I'll make it sound like that. But it's like, we don't like the record tempo now. Like, we usually find, after playing a lot of these old songs for years, we found better tempos

for the songs. Where the groove is... Yeah, where it's just like, oh, this hits way harder at this speed. Are they faster or slower? For the majority. It depends.

I'd say most of it's faster. Yeah. Because we all know the playing faster is way more fun than playing slow. Way more fun. And also, like, when you first get the record speed

and then you play it live for that first time, it's just, it feels so slow. It's so hard to get into it. There's nothing worse to me than like, playing to a click or maybe not even playing to a click let's say let's say you're just happened to be doing it and it feeling slow you want to be three BPM 5 yeah i'm just like it

makes me it makes me incredibly angry like oh like whenever that used to happen when i was like oh for fucking playing something slow even if it was correct it was record tempo if i wanted it to be that extra five yeah to 10 i would be like what the fuck you know i'd look at pack something we turn around go faster you You know? And he's got the clicking in there. Yeah, he's like, oh, there's this is no way that it is. Tom's the same.

Tom's exactly the fucking same. Yeah, exactly. It's like, and it also has to do with the energy of the show, too. It's like, oh, if the show's lit, I want to play faster, you know? Do you know what's a weird fucking thing that I've noticed as well? Because I, I, you, packs the only one with the click in his ears, right? I'm the only one with clicking ears of mine. The higher a ceiling is, the slower a songfield.

Really? And it's even true when I'd go and, when you, next time you go see a band in someone with a super high ceiling who are playing the record speed, just tell me if it feels slow. Like I saw Ghost recently and then just play everything, you know, they might as well be playing to a CD. It's fucking sick. I love it. Yeah. Just felt so slow. I'm going to notice that now.

You've ruined. Ruined. Rewing fucking high TV. Yeah, yeah. You've ruined that. I used to think they looked super cool and now I'm going to fucking hate them. I walk into a hard. ceiling venue and I'm like that's gonna be shit the snare's gonna sound great but I'm gonna be playing

too slow to yeah you did you leave the this is a different segment of the podcast we're off that yeah yeah yeah professional fuck that professional um were you booked to do the whole of suicide voice and then this bring me thing came up or we were you always doing bring me or okay so there was originally three tours that we were supposed to do dates of all of them back to back back yes and what happened was we took i believe what happened was we took all three yeah and then one of them canceled right so we ended up but the space was still is still there so like i'm now i'm kind of pissed because i wish we could have done more of the the suicide boys run there was like a whole like week and a half break that we had where we weren't

even on it because we were supposed to be on this other tour what was you have a tour uh the other one was a i think it was a lame of god tour um um but uh but now we just end up we ended up doing these two back to back so we did suicide boys part one quick break suicide boys part two and now we're doing bring me the horizon and we have some we had some like off day mini runs that we did like we just did a mini run with dying fetus and terror and omerta and then but tomorrow we begin the brain reader rising how did dying fetus go down with not blues fans oh good it was moshing it was it was sick like knock loose fans are pretty like i know you got you got yeah like knock loose fans we have a pretty wide demographic now but as far as like

you definitely have kids now yeah but i mean as far as it being uh You could definitely notice that there were some like younger kids that had never seen anything like fetus. But that's sick because you were introducing them to fucking like. Like they'd hit a mosh part and it's like everyone was like, what the fuck. Like this is crazy. Because people like they do their like tapping bits and people would be like, oh well this is kind of weird. I'm not used to this. You know, and then go.

And that's just the sickest thing. Did you see that? I've never been like a huge fetus fan. I like destroy the opposition. Yeah. I like stop at nothing. Yeah. And then I kind of don't care about the rest.

The most of the reign of... Rain Supreme. Rain Supreme. I kind of like that one. Yeah. Ah, kind of like the wrong one to fuck with as well. Okay, so that's now... Because I've felt the same way about fetus.

I've felt the same way about fetus. Somehow I've listened to fetus for like such a long time, but I've never considered myself a fan. Exactly. And then I like looked at all of the tracks and I was just like, oh, I'm a fan of this. I know. That's what just happened to be right then. I was like, only these two albums and this one.

I think what happens is with music like that, like you put on a full record, but it all kind of blends together. So you're like, oh, I don't know if I like like like this as much as I think I do. But then you like you return to it and you're like, oh, this is fucking sick. And then a slam part happens.

Yeah. I think there's definitely, they definitely had like an area of a time when I didn't really fuck with him. like war of attrition like that, I guess war of attrition to reign supreme, which someone will fucking comment and be like, that was one album, and I'll be like, okay, well,

I'm a huge dying fetus. I like that they have a record called Wrong One to Fuck With. Now they're kind of like in this mode, like, as soon as they did that record and they like, that, then they released that that was the name. I was just like, oh, they're like self-aware. of how hard this is.

I mean, how like ridiculous and awesome. Kill your mother, right, your dog. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, insane. Like, there's not enough people still being theatrical in death metal, I think.

There's too much like, oh, we're really serious. It's like, no, you're not. You're talking about, like, decapitating people. Yeah, it's awesome. Serious. I mean, fetus, I will say,

like, after, I thought this the first time I saw, which was when I was, like, 12 years old or some shit, I saw fetus for the first time at a summer slaughter a really long time ago and then seeing them now it's just like I mean I can't believe how tight

that band is the drama is fucking insane yeah Trey's fucking wild man I mean he's like one of the best in the genre realistically also a three piece so like insane you you it's a specific type of psychopath

that can play that tight yeah you know they've been doing it for so long but it's fucking crazy like that tour was just us like bunch of people just like watching every day just being like oh my god it's almost like spectator sports at that point yeah the drummer is that good yeah just like exactly because he's running a marathon yeah yeah you know and doing touchdowns which is funny because terror played right before them and it's the same kind of deal but just in a different style band of just like insane tightness but just like

a different energy to it that's such a good lineup yeah it was sick that's done and now it's bring me who else is on bring me i think the first artist is is Sick Brain, and then the second artist is grandson, and I haven't really listened to much of either of them, but I know that it's both like pop kind of stuff. I know that it's like, I think Sick Brain's a little edgier, and then when I listen to a grandson song, it kind of just seemed like pop to me. It's cool. But yeah, definitely a crazy lineup for this. Do you know or think you were a ticket add-on, as in you guys are worth a lot, or someone in the band fucks

we're not loose. I don't know. I don't know if anyone in the band fucks with us or not. We have like mutual friends. I know

JJ who is the session guitarist. Definitely fucks with you guys but I don't think he's got that much of authority.

Either, yeah, I mean, either if they do like us that's fucking awesome. And if it's a ticket thing, then we're glad to be here.

You know, regardless. I met a couple of the dudes briefly in Spain. Resurrection Fest and those dudes seem cool and like, I think that's that, is it Jordan? Yeah.

He's hit like Kevin up talking about fucking Pokemon. Jordan's the fucking, like he, he's from where I'm from and we used to like play in bands to get, like not together, but like we would play fucking fucking punk shows when we were like kids. That's sick. And then he, this is my understanding of what happened. I did a podcast with him, so maybe he proved me wrong. But my understanding was he used to.

have a band in the scene, like the Reading Newbury area where I grew up, and they were called Worship, and they just sounded like... I remember hearing about this. They just sounded like radiohead. They were fucking incredible. I remember, because I listened to that episode. Well, yeah, I think we talked about it on there,

and Ollie was like, I want to sign you to my label, and then about halfway through, like, setting up a label was just like, do you want to just join my band and make my band sound a bit like your band? Yeah. And it fucking paid off. Yeah, it worked a little bit. Because I don't really, like,

I never I never really fucked with the stuff that was like the Barry a Dead style stuff you know like the old bringing yeah yeah but then Jordan joined and I was like oh this is well I fucked with them

I fucked with the tracks back in the day but I think pretty early on because the first record's like math core adjacent it's like crazy circle takes the square fucking yeah and I love that stuff

So, like, that's kind of what I was into. And then they did a traditional deathcore record, and I fucking love deathcore, so I liked that. But then by the time, like, they started getting into their discography, it was less so just me, not only being a fan of the music, but also just being like, wow, this, this, like, I'm blanking on the word. But the transitions that they were doing between records, the evolution, excuse me. The evolution was so interesting to me. and to see it paying off Yeah, I was just like And now I think that they're

The Bring Me the Horizon It's the definition of like Oh, that's how you do that Yeah Like that's how you do that right Yeah, 100% Oh, you want to get bigger In heavy music that way

Look no further And then like it's cool of them And you guys do the same kind of thing Where they're like them This is where I was going with that question Assuming it's not a ticket thing because you guys will have a lot of tickets. It's fucking cool that they have essentially a pop package

and for the majority of their fan base, like rock fans now. It's like kind of a real rock. One of the fucking heaviest, heaviest big bands at the moment on tour. And you guys do the same thing where you do like a fucking house of blues tour and it's like momentum or like,

yeah, yeah, just bring like tiny little hardcore bands. Well, that's what's cool about bring me and I don't know if this is what's behind their decision to take us on tour which again if any of you were listening thank you very much tour hasn't started yet but I'm very excited um

is bring me is bring me is like they've they've done this thing over the past couple years where they'll play a stadium rock set and then the middle of the set just be like hey listen to this fucking shit and just

play tell us later not to watch his yeah and they'll just play like this scariest stuff and then you know it's like everyone's probably like this is i don't know what is going but i always thought that that was so fucking cool i don't know if they're doing that on this tour probably not but um just i if i feel like that's kind of the vibe is just like you know throwing a super heavy band in there because bringing the horizon still has like a heavy energy even in their new music like the last record that they did like has heavy parts on it you know

Yeah, like that first track has a fucking mask. Yeah, it sounds like, there's like a Lamb of God riffing in it and shit. So like, yeah, I'm excited and I'm excited to play for those kids because a lot of it is also just like a young audience is really important to me. Like, we haven't done a bunch of old people tours. You know, like you know how metal tours have probably a bit of an older audience. Yeah. It was great for us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, we did Gojira and it was fucking awesome. but like it definitely goes over better with a younger audience yeah you know so that's why i'm excited plus you get the fucking longevity yeah you can get grab someone at 15 dude also you got 10 years out of them being the scary band is always the coolest yeah thing ever i mean we did a day to remember a couple years ago and it's just like there were some people that were just get me out of here you know just like scared

you know but that's like a whole other cool thing you know in and of itself yeah yeah yeah it's like I want people the way I get myself hyped up for the stage where I know the show is like that is it's like I would love for a good percentage of these people to be like

that was I don't want like that you know like I want to scare them away because I want them to have that memory of like why because like That's either going to wow you or terrify you. And either is cool. And either is cool.

And you get the fucking, the people like, I remember, like, when I first got the internet, the first thing I did on the internet other than I think charcoal. Yeah. The, like, second thing I did on the internet. Right after. It was MP3.com. Cannibal corpse. Yeah.

Because. Great post jerk off bands. I come blood It was top of it I like saw I'd seen him on fucking Ice Ventura And I was like This is the scariest thing I've ever seen

What is it? It's barely fucking music And then Obviously Then search for it I mean And then it comes up Like oh it's just as scary

As I imagine Oh I guess I'm into death metal now Exactly And I There's two types of people There's the one type of person That's like Nope not doing that

I'll stick to this And then there's the other person That's like Well Give me some more the morbid curiosity give me some more of that before i google images of train wrecks exactly and so like and like nowadays kids are into edgier shit than ever so like the metal stuff a band like ours is going to appeal like there's never been a better time for us to do a tour like bring me you know so i'm

fucking stoked you know and like i said the rooms they booked on this are not fucking around they're fucking massive so when you guys do a big tour which I guess all of your tour is big now like a headline tour how does that compare

to like a smaller show to you like the how do you feel about barriers? We the best knock loose shows that like I said our favorite our favorite shows are always

like a good no barricade show beats out other shows. That's kind of just like a given in our... Even if it's like a 500 caps. Yeah, exactly. It's like... It's a given. If the no barrier show is good,

it beats out everything else. That being said, there are two different types of shows. And the goal is to make the big show feel like the small show. that's the main goal. When we go into playing, like if we're playing Hellfest main stage,

it's like, okay, well, we're going to try to go into this, interacting with the crowd, to make it feel as intimate as it can be. Like, I don't want it to seem,

like, I don't want there to be a crazy division between the audience and, you know, and I want the energy to feel like it shared. And, you know, it's so easy to feel that way when you're when there is a no barricade show you know when you're that close to people but the goal is to make it feel as intimate as it

possible as it possibly can even if it's like a 2,000 cap room or whatever what's the smallest show you reckon you guys would would even be booked to do where's your worst market we did 500 people we did a 500 cap yesterday in west Virginia middle nowhere yesterday yeah yeah it was awesome dying feet it's no barricade awesome nice yeah that's fucking sick sold out

yeah yeah good for you why did you do an EP the reason why everyone else did an EP go on let's preface it tearing the fabric of life yes it's a fucking I listen to it every single day at the gym because it's so short

that I just pop it on and then I go this is this has been my life for maybe at least six months will be I'm at the gym I put your EP on and then I put immutable

vinyl sugar on but I start a track two and then I skip a few tracks in the middle and then my workout's done why first off fucking record rules thank you why do you waste it on an EP um so

to say what he said waste shut the fuck up I didn't mean that make the fart noise if you don't know if you don't know it's considered a waste to do an EP because labels kind of

don't take it seriously press kind of doesn't take it seriously and touring like torn fucking bookers don't take it seriously

so where we were where we were at was everyone was kind of doing projects like that because of COVID because of COVID because no one

knew when touring was coming back. It was everyone in the world's excuse, every band in the world's excuse to be like, well, we're going to lock ourselves away and do a passion project. Everyone in the world did that. But actually, our idea for the record came way before that. The idea for a spooky EP

came when we wrote in the walls off the 2019 record, different shade of blue. and it was when we wrote that song and it was like a ghost song you know Brian explained about the ghost story his episode if anyone hasn't heard the Brian episode listen to it listen to it get the ghost story

his ghost as well there's a lot of stuff yeah and then we had the idea from that time forward to do a ghost scary like horror themed EP so that had already been in the ether and then when COVID happened it basically gave us an excuse to be like oh let's just do that then yeah you know it was a pretty easy thing like we we already had the idea we were stoked on it and then it was easy to write we just booked one cabin

stayed there for two two weeks two and a half weeks wrote it went to putney's a couple months after maybe two months after not long and it was easy you know the hard part of turn the fabric of her life was, you know, all the post stuff, just making sure all the imagery was correct, making sure the video was correct. Video is a huge part of it. Yeah, and, like, that went through, like, five or six iterations, like, literally, like, we started it. With the same guy?

Yes. Yeah. Because we knew he was sick, you know, but, you know, something, Brian just had a very specific vision, obviously, because he wrote the fucking story, so. He's so, like, secretly, really. clever. Yeah, he's very cool. Don't tell him that though. You'll hear it. Yeah.

At any point did you, was it always just wrapped up with the story or any point were you like, this is sick, we should make it longer? We knew that it had to be self-contained. That was the whole idea from the beginning. And we didn't really feel like we were wasting the material on an EP because we knew from the beginning that that's what it was going to be. Like it wasn't like, you know we've kind of fucked ourselves now because now we've done that thing where we're like we've done a self-contained EP that's short and cool and like you know has the look and everything so now we have to put out a full length that's as good and I won't settle for as good

it has to be better yeah you know so we've kind of fucked ourselves now with that but we knew that that's what we wanted to do you know we knew for we've known for years that we wanted to put that out so when it came out and you know seemed to go as well as it did you know i mean it also is a kind of a little fuck you so like the the tour bookers and the press and everyone that don't take ep seriously because the tours that you're getting off the back of that yeah are insane yeah i mean we it's it's hard to i i'm super weird about i like i don't really know how to talk about how successful a release is you know because like it's it's hard to know because half the like full disclosure half the time we show up I show up to play a show

even a headline show I'm assuming that like half these people just heard counting worms off of TikTok and that's why they're here and I think that that's yes I legitimately think so I know it's that at Blue Ridge yeah and I I think that that's the case in most places I think that it's literally people heard counting worms off of TikTok or they heard, you know, the gary mistakes like fractures, meme, you know, and like that's a good percentage of why people come. What's your views on those? I don't, I mean, anything that has, I've never seen a knock-loose meme like that go off and be viral and been like, I wish that didn't happen. Yeah, yeah. You know, like who...

I think they're fucking awesome. I may not think that they're funny. Like the first time I heard the SpongeBob Knocked Losing, I was like, okay. You know, like I laughed my ass off. Yeah, I did not think it was funny at all. But at the same time, if someone does think it's funny and comes to the show because they think it's funny and then like... Do people shout Gary before that section? No.

Thank God. Don't get any fucking ideas. That would be bad. But I, if someone... if you're listening to this and have just heard my band from a meme and want to come to the show, I do not think any less of you. And what's cool is that if someone has heard that and is like unfamiliar with most of the music, they'll come to the show and they'll see a bunch of other sick bands and they'll fucking...

This is why I love you guys. You care so much about the scene. Like that's how, that's the entire point of the band. Like Knock Loose's literally whole point of the band is, do the big tour take the kids they come to the headliner and they see the smaller bands more people go to that show they discover hardcore they discover metal like whatever like it's the entire rising tides it's the whole thing that we're trying to do and it's like always been that way from day one it was like yo if this is going to happen like if we're getting kids in it's like we're going to book a badass show and that's like we're going to book a badass show and have a show that kids can come to and be like, holy fuck, I found all these new bands. Yeah. You know?

So really, when it comes down to the memes and TikToks and stuff, if there's only, if someone comes to our headline show and only knows two songs, I hope they like more afterwards. You know, it's like, that's how I feel about it, you know. But it's for sure a thing, like a good portion of KL. Thans heard counting worms and we're like, this is the craziest thing ever. You know what? You got lucky, and it's not even getting lucky, but like, you didn't do it again. Yeah. Because if you'd have done it again, the bark.

Oh my God, no. I would have to be doing. Yeah, exactly. But like, you know, like how the Blair became a thing. And now there's groups of people out there who don't like a song unless it has one in it. Yeah. That's a mental illness. Yeah.

I mean, there's lots of people that would love. of accounting worms part two with, you know, with four dog barks. You know, like, I, like, yeah. Yeah, they want us to just keep going with it. And like I said, there's lots of people that are like into that stuff, but it's like, we, what's funny is that, you know, that song has like a pretty happy energy. I think the funny story about that song is that it has a pretty. happy energy now because it's like people will just put the song over you know their dog you know

making a mess out of something or like you know it's like it's such a joke you know now people are like oh counting rooms i love the song but like back in the day when we started playing counting rooms when we wrote it it was the most terrifying part of our set like when we wrote that song as soon as the clicks came in people were yeah i've seen videos dog shit out of each other Like it was not a safe environment, you know, like now we kick into, people go, yay! But back in the dead, it was like, oh no, like they're playing that song. I'm going to die now.

You know, so it's just funny. Yeah. I wonder if there is a crossover to like why it became so popular. I don't think it became popular because it's the noise of a dog. It probably became popular because it was like, because after the dog noise, it was a mix. It's so heavy. It's very.

heavy. I think that it popped off originally because it was like, oh, this song is so scary. But then, you know, young kids are so fucking desensitized to like crazy mosh stuff now that it's just like, whoopee, you know?

Can't wait. Has that been bands that have taken it? Arf Arf? Yeah. Yes. So many. Really? So many. Yeah. Too many to name. There's bands that have done this guy, too. But anyone that's like, I mean that one like corn and stuff like I but like a dog bark is pretty much you guys.

There's there are so many post. Post KL bands that literally have that literally have art art in their music. But the thing is is that we weren't the first band to do that. There's hella like old hardcore bands that have done. You know, like that there's old hardcore bands that have barks in their shit, you know, like fucking scarhead, you know, like has shit in there, like they have barks in their music, like a bunch of old New York hardcore bands have shit like that. And like, we put that in there because we were like, oh yeah, they do that and that's hard,

so let's do that. And then it turned into this whole fucking shabang. But yes, there are bands that do that now. Arf is a genre. That is funny. I wonder if they do well if it. I wonder if it will become band. that I kind of hate that clickiness.

I hate the bleakness. Like, I get it that it's like... People coming at your boys, architects, for not having a bles. Well, it's even like fucking, because stray, you know, stray has a bleb, man. Yeah, stray. And we still, there's one on the new record. Like, it's a nice noise to make.

He's good at it. He's good at it. But it's like, there's people that, you know, they actively just look for that in the music. And then the YouTube comments are like, not enough for it. And then it's got like 4,000 likes. I'm like, grow up. I mean, the goal for us is to write something that's so fucking sick and so heavy that people, you know, don't.

Like, when we wrote a tear in the fabric of life, you know, and put that out, people weren't asking for barks on that because it was so disgusting. Yeah, because you didn't do it again. That's why. Yeah, exactly. Like, we're not going to, like, no, we're not doing accounting worms too. You know, like, fuck that. Um, big, bigger Gojira influence on that EP. Yeah, it's one of the biggest influences we have as a band.

It's one of the few bands that we all like. Was the EP written before or after the Gojera tour? Oh, way before. Way before. Was it out? Years before. Was it out? It came out on the Gojira run.

That's cool as fuck. Because what's track two? God knows. track to Remember Very Gossier Yeah Remember

It's nothing like if I can see Yeah Yeah To the tremolo picks Yeah Which is cool Because Gojura Don't play that part

Of Remembrance Life Yeah They only play the end Exactly Yeah we I mean Like I said Gojira is a huge

Influence on her Same on Australia And people just don't get it People just still say Well because Gojira is a metal band With insane Breakdowns in it

Yeah Still They're still Playing them Yeah Like, born for one thing off the new record, it's fucking crazy breakdown. You know, so it's like, and they're so creative with them that's like, how could you not record them? Do you know what happened?

And I'll leak this right now. Mario DM'd me. When Fortitude came out and I like post it. Well, maybe it was just when the single came out, when born for one thing. I wanted to say born for two things then because one of the working titles on euthanasia was born for two things because I stole the China pattern. Yeah. Just for one little bit. But like he post I posted about it and I was like yeah this is fucking sick or whatever and then he

D-M-me and was like it's a little bit lighter than usual the next one is going back to full Morbid Angel style. Yeah and he just like messaged me that and I was like what's gonna happen? Yeah that's Oh that like you just said that to me and I am 10% happier than I was Yeah, but like even then it's like I will pull it up keep talking yeah even then like like gozier like the fact that gojira is able to play

and like right like born for one thing like the fact that they're able to be like one of the bigger slash biggest metal bands that sound like that and play a it's a breakdown you know like we when that tour

that we did with them the whole running thing was us being like are they the biggest new, like, they're one of the biggest, like, bands that have, like, that have, like, metal core breakdowns.

Yeah. Like, China breakdowns, you know? I just can't believe that it's one of those bands. It's kind of like Meshugga, too, where you're just like, how did a band that sound like this get this fucking big when it's just this insane? Going for so long as well.

I first saw him in 2007. Yeah. Bro, thank you. Now we're going back to the roots on the next album. morbid angel slams. I'm so excited. That's insane. That's fucking sick. Yeah.

What's cool is that we were able to chat with them on that tour and be like, what, like, what are you guys listening to? Like, what are your influences a band that's like the same shit? It's like, they're like, oh, we like, Meshuga and we listen to Meshugga and Converge and Morbid Angel. And it's like, that's what I rip off when I'm writing my slams. So it's the same fucking shit. This is where it comes from.

Someone told me the most insane story, and I was like going to save it to ask Joe if he comes on the podcast, but then I think I burnt some bridge at roadrunner and no one's going to do it. So I'll just tell you the story that someone told me was that when they did that Metallica tour, Lars and Kirk took Mario and Joe out for dinner and, like, closed off his whole Italian restaurant. and when they go it's like a fucking mafia movie when they turn up and it's like sat down table with the fucking light above it like with the white and red checker yeah the whole thing italian fucking mobster meeting and then they're having dinner and uh one of like one of matanica is like oh you want to come to a hotel room and smug a joint yeah which old dude smoking joints i'm all

about that yes and then i can't remember who fucking told me the story and then they go it wasn't anyone in Gojira so it's someone that's they've told so it might be hearsay but then they go to the hotel room they smoke this joint and apparently Lars and Kirk spend the whole time being super self-deprecating and just asking how to be so good how to practice this Kirk saying stuff like I've been playing these songs for 20 years and I just get worse like just being super humble and just asking them for advice that's fucking cool yeah that's sick but also like That's, it's funny because it's like Metallica is, I'm gonna go ahead and say objectively the best band to ever fucking play music.

That's my fucking number one. My favorite band, my favorite band. It's not even fucking close. So it's like they can play, they can play the most dog shit. First of all, I don't think they sound like dog shit now. You've seen that Daytona? Yeah. Like it's tight.

Yeah, I do not think they sound like dog shit. but even when they do or if they do sound like dog shit it does not change a fucking thing to me no and it's like metallic 60 is well yeah yeah first off you're fucking old that's the first thing no offense second but you old as fuck yeah you're old as fuck secondly it's like dude i knock loose compared to gojeure sounds like fucking dog shit you know it's like i hear fuck ups in our music all the time it's like i like We literally are a band that, like, throws our stuff around still. And, like, you know, oh, that fret sounded bad or, like, whatever.

Like, it happens all the time. So it's like, I'm never concerned about that shit. It's like, Gojira will spend, you know, I'm sure you know this, but they watch every set that they play. They film every set. I didn't remember that. Okay, so they film their sets and they will watch them back. I don't know if they'll be mad at me for saying this but they film their sets

and they watch them back and they review them and they're like they critique it I mean that's why they are where they are I would do that if I could be bothered if someone else was setting that up

I would love it because I notice stuff that I do when I film myself I can't be bothered I'm the I'm the I'm the dickhead in my band when it comes to like wanting to sound good you know like I'm the as in you're the one that wants it to sound good I'm the I'm the one that like I'm I'm the Lars and Kirk right in my position I'm always like why can't we sound like

them you know like that's that's my point in the band and you know so that type of dedication to live sound is like something that I really really respect you know Like they've literally, they'll literally like go over a part and be like, should this be 3 BPM faster or not? You know, and they'll play the part and like compare it to a click, do they? Some songs, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. It depends. It depends on the track.

Depends on the day, I imagine. Because I've seen them a couple of times and sometimes there's like a section where it's just like, wow, that's really fucking slow to do they? Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully it's a breakdown. I mean, it's always, there's always a double kick or a breakdown. Yeah. I'd love to slow down some double coup.

This is going to bring me on to the fucking everyone's new favorite section of the fucking podcast that we need to start right now. Because otherwise we'll run out of time and battery. Dream Festival. Unless you've got any kind of like fucking thing you want to get off your chest. Man, I've plugged your tour. I plugged your EP. I never do that for people. Yeah.

And it was seamless because we had a conversation while we were doing it. You know what? I've had this dream festival that I've been thinking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. I have thought about this segment before because I knew this was going to happen. Yeah.

So I'm going to run you through what I need. We're going to do it in order. Yeah. The nice and easy one. Where is your dream festival taking place? Melbourne. Nice. Melbourne, yeah.

In like a venue or is it like a fucking unified? type deal like an actual festival no we'll do no we'll do uh i don't have a specific venue in melbourne then i'm like so we'll do it festival so we'll do it festival style because those can be cool outdoors as long as it's a nice day out i i'm gonna it's my festival so i can decide what the weather it's fucking anything is so you know it'll be a nice like between it probably like 70 degrees yeah so you're so it's not it's like a Australian fall yeah i guess Not Australian summer. Not quite, like, fall can be chilly.

It's enough to where you want to spend time outside, but you're not cold at all. Hoodie on at night, maybe, just for the style. Yeah, hoodie on at night, yeah. Just so you can pick up. I mean, I'm like a jacket guy. So let's say it's the type of weather where you can wear a cool jacket. Yeah, my favorite. We're coming up to that time.

I was walking around today, and I was like, good cool jackets. Yesterday? No. Yes. Yesterday was the first day it had felt like that in fucking forever. I had a big bowl of fucking ramen today. That's so awesome. Because it was cold and I was like...

Everyone else in my band got ramen today. It's your own. Yeah. Motherful. Where? Time Square? Yeah. I was there.

When were you there? What time? No, actually, when were you there? Like 1.30. I swear to Christ, I have text evidence that they were there if not at the same time, maybe 10 to 20 minutes after you. No fucking way. Yes, I promise.

Because it's all booth that we could have just been in there at the same time. I hope to God, that's what happened. Because I was like on my own. So it's like I could have been fucking seconds away. Do me a favor and text them and find out what time. Hold on. No, I have the like text. where they're like, oh, we're here.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm, hold on. That's so fucking funny. Because I remember how it was there. Okay, no, it was after. What time? It was after. It was like an hour after.

But they were in line while you were there. Yeah, they would have been because the line was fucking huge. Fucking huge. I wonder why I didn't see when I left, but. I don't know. I was there for a while. Because they just said,

we just sat down to eat and it was 241. But they were in line for at least an hour. They would have been sat down that I was still eating while I had left because I was there at I could tell you exactly this is an exciting podcasting isn't it I'll tell you exactly what time it was

when I was there you ready? Yeah it was exactly four hours ago which was 230 that sounded weirdly like the Itchy Ran Jing Poins you were doing fucking X-Files in Itchy Rahn style

Point being I'm fucking pissed If anyone doesn't know what Itchirang is It's the best ramen in Japan and they have for some reason three in new york yeah um and it has only one recipe you can customize it it's the fucking best yeah it's a buzzing shit um which leads me leads me to the next question yes other than it being lovely weather jacket weather cool jacket what cool jacket you got at this festival um you got a particularly cool jacket that you like or you are lusting over i'm not joking i have so many jackets. So I would need to look at all of them and decide which one. Come on. You must have

a favorite jacket. I don't because they all go with different outfits. Okay, you've got this outfit on. So I've got this outfit on right now. If you're listening to the audio one, he's got a nice sort of like cream pair of chinos, white, I can't tell because we're in quite a creamish. Creamish. A pair of vans, white socks, black t-shirt, gold chain. It looks great. So I think that I would I would wear a black. If I'm wearing this outfit, kind of, I'd turn this inside out and wear it so that it's blank.

And I put on my green Stone Island corduroy. Oh, gorgeous. Yeah. Right. What is the accommodation arrangement? Bear any mind, it doesn't have to be specific to Melbourne. Yeah. It can be just ideal.

Are you on a bus? or you've got you know whatever I mean I think that the ideal situation is uh I think the ideal situation is

I think we're going to do like a villa like a band villa that's like big enough to where my entire band can be there and our touring party be there comfortably

but with also enough space to where people can fuck off if they want to. Yeah. But not so far away that it feels like... Enough rooms. Yeah. Like, we're playing... Big hangout area.

Yeah, we're kind of all chilling, but at the same time, it's like, if someone wants to go take a nap, they can. But at the same time, like, Brian's playing Fortnite, and we're all kind of like... I'm there. I'm visualizing it. A huge, like, maybe L sofa. Yeah, yeah. And we're all just kind of hanging out.

And so, yeah, a villa vibe. And then maybe, uh, we don't even know if we're going to take advantage of this, but, like, Because it'll get a little cooler, like maybe 50 degrees, 155 degrees. We'll get a hot tub. Oh, it's just about over my mouth. Because we love those. Yeah, a big hot tub guy. So we'll just put it there.

So yeah, like villa. And then we're talking this villa is somehow the most beautiful place I've ever been and the most serene place I've ever seen. But then the festival is somehow like across the street. It's a dream. Yeah. So that can happen. Yeah.

who what is catering um so there's an obvious fucking answer I mean yeah

but what come on but is there an obvious I don't know if we're thinking of the same shit bearing in mind what we just spoke about

that led into this fucking okay yeah that's what I was hoping you were going for um but I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm going to have two

I'm going to have I'll have two meals there and I'm usually like a one big meal a day guy I don't eat a bunch of meals I usually just eat one like actual I'm like oh I'm going to be a piece of shit for like 30 minutes and that's what it is so I'll have the option of choosing between the two

I'll do Ich run as one of them but what I'll actually go for and end up doing is my favorite meal that exists, which is this place called Even Tide Oyster Company in Portland, Maine. And it's a... Great seafood in Portland, Maine. Oh, yeah.

And it is a... I think Connecticut style is the hot roll. It's a hot lobster roll. Um, and then their, um, their clam chowder, which is, it's, there's like only a couple meals that do this. It's almost made me cry before. Do you know what I make it? It's so funny that you should say that. Yeah.

Because I know that you genuinely mean that. Yeah. The first time I ever had, have you ever had a Papa John Sinner pie? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The first thing I was like, I think I might cry.

Yeah. Like it. Like, it's one of those things where, so every single time, Portland, Maine is one of my favorite cities in the world already. When I go there, I'm usually going there by myself because, like, everyone else, like, doesn't want to go or whatever. I just sit down and I have my own little corner. And then the lobster rolls are like $16. I order at least three. For minimum three.

They're not huge. They're like this big. But it's just high quality lobster. But it's, you take one bite. It's a lobster slider. Yeah. You're like, I'm going to cry. You know, like, that's how you feel.

So I'm going to have that there. But if I'm not feeling that for whatever reason, you know, let's say I'm afraid of seafood or whatever that day, I'm doing, I'll do I-G-Rond. Because that's like, that's like as comfortable of a meal. There's nothing more comforting. Oh, big ball of ramen. Especially if you're doing like Japan in the winter. Holy fun. It was literally mean today.

I was like, are this kind of chilly today? I'm doing it. right oh yeah yeah um okay now we should probably get onto the music yeah so small no let's go let's go this way who's headline metallica easy obvious answer and then trajectory from that we will go to top five Metallica albums in order mm-hmm I'd think about this all the time let me guess just is the best let me tell let me guess yours yeah justice ride Puppets, black, kill them all.

Justice. Puppets. Everyone. Black. Wow. And you're in Aralbone? Killemall Ride. Ride is your least favorite?

Yeah. That's because you've heard it all before in the fucking VFW halls. Yeah, so I think, I don't like the production on Ride very much. But I can't, like, I don't like, I don't really like escape really that much. Whatever is, da, dun dun dun b la na na na.

And, but like other than that... Black album back to front for you is good. Yes. See, I've got skippers on the black album. I like every Metallica song that's ever been made.

Besides Lulu. It doesn't count. It's not your own fucking... Spotline. And some of the covers don't count either because it's not their shit. I got skippers on Black Arm, but I love the Black Alam. And I think holier than now is one of my favorite Metallica songs.

It's incredible. That's incredible. When it drops down to bait, just base and drums. But how people, I get legitimately upset when people think I'm stupid for putting justice. No, justice is my number one as well. Because it's the most fucked up metal record, like, ever. It's so tech. It's terrifying.

It's political. Yeah. It's big brain, but also the mosheest one. It's the darkest one by Miles. Yeah. The productions... Yeah, like one? Yeah.

The production's bad and it's still awesome. I kind of like it. Same. Like everyone moans about the bass. I don't care about bass. I wish there was bass, but it's not enough to make me not listen to it. Like, like the, like, the, like, the, black in the Moss part, are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah, and the turnaround? Yeah, like, I don't... Yeah, if you don't like it, you're fucking stupid. And that's a fact. Hard agree. Yes. Okay, so Metallica are headlining. Metallica headlining.

Okay, who is... Knock loose while playing, obviously. Yeah, I'll play it. I'll play it. Who is... Main support to Metallica. So, you know, the sort of band that would be in a main support slot. It's my festival.

So... I love the way you keep saying it. No one is trying to take this festival away from you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. A corn, corn will play. Nice. That's my second favorite band of all time. Really?

Yeah. What's your favorite corn record? That's tough. That's really tough. Uh, probably... Issues, probably. Just for the vibe itself. The vibe and the bangers on it.

Yeah, but it would probably go, it would probably go issues and then the self-titled. It was like, close. behind it and then life's speech because those that's just just fucking crazy um yeah so corn's probably i'll do corn interesting i like i like issues i mean i love issues and i love follow the leader issues is just so weird i love follow the leader but then like coming back to the self-titled has a grown-ass man some of it can i can miss some of it yeah um But please come on the podcast. Yeah, please.

But because actually the newer corn fucks. Yeah, they still rule. Yeah. The stuff that was classic is actually my least favorite. I'll go off about corn real fast in like 30 seconds. There's a lot of metal bands that are around that you see them play still. And they used to be like super edgy and weird. And now it's a very like, put your horns in the sky.

Yeah, like corn. Business as usual. Corn? Still weird. Still weird. Still weird. Yeah. Still awesome. And I got a drummer that's far better now. He's very good. He's very, very good at the drums.

Very good. Okay. Small band on that you just, you would discover and you want other people to discover. So like a tiny band. This is me doing my bit for the community. That I just found. No, you didn't just find, but let's assume you're at the festival and it's like a band that could be on a tiny stage that you would stumble across, but it is a band that you, in fact, like now.

This is me. This one's going to be tough because I... Listen to so much fucking tiny little small bands. Yes. Give me a stage, then. You know what? I'm just going to... Yeah, I'm just going to be weird right now because I've been listening to them and it's something

totally out of genre. I want to put liturgy on there. You know who liturgy is? Yeah, fucking hell. Yeah, I'm going to put liturgy on there. because I would want to see that. Anyone that doesn't know, it's this weird-ass symphonic, crazy,

psycho-theologian black metal. Yeah, borderline into fucking stonery. Yeah, noise, crazy shit. And I've just been listening to a lot recently, so I'm going to put that on there. But there's so many younger bands that I would like want to put, like, God. like I literally spend my entire days

thinking of like small bands you know my fucking friends bands or bands that I love to see so that's tough give me some give me a little fucking stage okay can't look at my phone you can look at your phone

I'm looking at my phone it's fine I need I need I can't fuck this up and is playing and aren't small Gates to Hell from Louisville's playing Gates to Hell Yeah, it's a Louisville

So that is a little band super heavy Fucking awesome Um Let's see, vomit forth is playing Vomitforth Vomit forth Stethnall sounds like cryptopsy It's awesome

I think I've heard the name And never chat Oh that Sangua Suga Bog is playing How do I say that Sangua Sangua Suga Suga Bog That then

fucking sick. I just don't know. So, yeah, they're fucking sick, and I've heard some of the new tracks live, and instead of going, like, more death metal, is going more musuga. Wow. That's cool. And the dude that plays in it is, like, a jazz fusion guy. Like, the dude who writes it all is, like, a crazy

that's why it's so good. That's why it's so fucking crazy. That's a drum king you need to watch. Yeah, it's that dude's drum king. I think I, uh, is it a hate 5, 6th one? Yeah, yeah, it's fucking crazy. But yeah, uh, weirds, I, listen, the answer to this is I, listen to too many to

I mean you just gave me a bunch that's good yeah okay um after show what you're doing what is the after show can I add some bands to this like some just so I can move for the 1975 is playing oh my sugar's playing this is a great festival yeah

it's the sort of festival that would happen in Sweden yes you know when they have those crazy mixed up Matalca's playing corin's playing the 1975 playing with sugar playing maybe separate day in 1975 but not loose is there for the whole weekend yeah otherwise there's going to be beef yeah it's your dream it's your dream i'm sorry yeah and then after after the show um we're going back to the villa

and we're hanging out for a good amount of time we're hanging out till like 4 a.m nice because i hate because i'm i'm up late every night last night i was up until 4 woke up at 8 and i be that kind of me as well any reason for that mine is pure insomnia um insomnia is a lot to do with it but also i just it's important to me not so here's what happens i'm a night owl but it's also important to me not to sleep in late is what it is because like if i sleep in late i'll feel like fucking shit see i do the opposite i stay up late and then if i'm in if i'm in a building i'll wake up early but if i'm on a bus i'll go go to bed at four or five o'clock and I'll get up at like two, three.

Yeah, I can't do that. Because what happens is I just feel terrible. I don't feel good. Even if I get, first off, if I get eight plus hours of sleep, like if I'm sleeping nine hours, I feel bad. I did that the other day on Monday. I feel bad. The night before Seth Myers didn't sleep at all,

because obviously I'm just fucking freaking out. And then the night after slept for nine and a half hours. It felt fucking terrible. Yeah, it's terrible. Worse than when I didn't think. I'm a six hours guy. I'm a six hours guy. Seven.

Seven is great. Six is what usually is. Eight's pushing it. Nine's way too long. And I feel great about it. Like my schedule is like two or three to like nine. You know? Good for you.

It's just like sick. Okay. 1975, my sugar. You got anyone else? No. After show, hanging out. Hanging out? Because I, yeah, I want everyone to hang out with me.

And you don't drink? No, I don't drink. Ever? No. I have never drank? No. Claim edge? Yes.

Yeah. I'm in a straight edge band. I was about to say fucking pack some drinks more than anyone I know. Yeah. But in a different straight edge man. Yeah. What's your straight edge man? We're called inclination.

We're putting out a full length soon. Quick blood. Sweet plug, yeah. That's where I was going with that. There you go. What is it? It's just straight edge hardcore? It sounds like strife.

One King Down. That kind of stuff. Nice. You know, that kind of like late 90s or like that. Strive fucking rules. Yeah, that's fucking great. Great band. Cool.

I think that's it. That's us. Yeah. We've done a... This was awesome. Yeah, we've done a fucking nearly two. Yeah. I'll cut it down a little bit.

Chop a couple of little moments out. The camera's still going. Hopefully we're in focus. How long are you in the United States for now? I have been here for nine weeks. I am here until Sunday. Okay. And then I go home.

I have 11 days off. Are you excited? Kind of, but I'm more like I was excited. And then I remembered we're going straight back on tour after 11 days. I moved into a new apartment four days before this. I bought a house right before we left, closed the day before we left. That happens to me. I closed four days before leaving.

Congratulations, well, thank you. Four days before leaving. And then it sucks, doesn't it? Because you just go away and you're like, I've got so much to do. Yeah. Yeah. I have to make my house look cool.

That's 100% of it. Yeah. But I did. So this will probably be the last episode of the podcast out, other than maybe there's a stray one I've already recorded, before I deliberately got an apartment that has such a big fucking, oh, flex. It's an apartment of my house.

But it's a big fucking apartment. A cool fucking area to do the whole. fucking Joe Rogan looking thing. Yes. Mike's constantly set up. So great. Cameras constantly set up. None of this jerry rigging.

Everything's sick. LED light, exposed brickwork. Like, this will be the last one before that. Yeah. Congratulations. Thanks, man. You too. Can't wait.

And then when you were next in the UK? Not until next year, probably. We'll do. We're doing the sick to your guns tour, but we're not doing the UK stuff. because we did the UK earlier this year with terror nice okay so when you are sorry I'm yawning

when you're back over we'll do it again yeah maybe I'll get everyone in that's what I was going to say I was wondering if you were just going to go and do everyone in the band separately

I mean I will definitely but there's definitely like I think having Brian back is a priority Yeah, he's the arf guy He's the guy that created That's gonna get you the streams brother I'm just gonna do a whole podcast of him going

Yeah And then like so I'm thinking like I have enough space And enough microphones and stuff I can just literally get the whole band into one fucking podcast We're pretty cool to interview When we're when we do those types of interviews Where it's like the homie Yeah

We're fun I promise it'll be fun anyway I promise it'll be entertaining Fuck yeah. Okay, let's wrap it up. I love you. Check out fucking Not Loose's EP. Check out.

Inclination. You got songs out? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's a band that's going strong. And then on tour. This will probably come out when you're still on tour. Yeah.

With Bremont Horizon. You got anything else at the end of the year? You got time off. No, I've got to write this new Knock Loose record. Which has to be better than the other one. Yep. Good luck to me. My fucking guy, take care, enjoy your tour. Peace.