The Downbeat - Jack Bergin (Void Of Vision)

Episode Date: February 16, 2023

My guest this week is Jack Bergin, singer of Australian metalcore band Void of Vision. We talk about their series of EPs 'Chronicles' as well as the RIDICULOUS Downbeat variant of the vinyl, Jack's alopecia, the struggles of getting a US visa, as well as much much more. Pick up the RIDICULOUS DB variant of Chronicles at unfdstore.com/voidofvision

Welcome, weary traveler to the Downbeat Podcast. It's me, the guy from the Downbeat Podcast, who you probably, you might like actually, quite a lot of people dislike me. But if you're listening to this and you dislike me, that is mental. You should be listening to anything else, basically. What have I been doing?

Working incredibly hard, that's it. Podcast, I think I've got eight records. 3 cameras, 4K, sweet guests, sweet chats, sweet quality. I really need to pay an editor. If you're liking these, if you're liking the way they look, if you're liking the way they sound, patreon.com for the downbeat. I've got an extra special little plug for you on this episode. My guest this week is Jack Bergen from Void of Vision.

did this very, very special. If you're not watching this on YouTube, you're a full. If you just listen to this, I'll try and do it justice. We did an incredibly limited special downbeat variant of Voidivision's three EPs. We put them all on one LP with insane death metal artwork by Koki Greenway, who did the previous downbeat collabs, we've stray from the path. The death metal artwork is, I mean, their EP's are called Chronicles.

We've just called it Chronic with a tiny little ulls. And the art is like a crazy weed monster killing loads of Australian things. It looks absolutely crazy. It's my finest unhinged work. And on this podcast, we go into my thoughts behind making such a deranged piece of art. we go through Jack's I guess you say battle or

ongoing situation with alopecia with a blood clot in his brain I think I talked about pegging we talked about

horny goth stuff a pretty insane story about them getting their visa a bunch of cool stuff it was a great little chat I didn't really know him before this and now I'd like to call him a friend. He's a great guy.

If you want to pick up a t-shirt, the downbeat, you got a T-E-E-E-T, so that's well as downbeat. Maybe we've got a US store by this point. If you're watching this on YouTube again, I'm wearing a lovely thing. Trying to still bridge the gap between only talking to the video people,

and I know there's a lot of you on the audio, so I'm trying to not be annoying. Display, we've got a plug display. All these things support me. disclaimer you buy the voidivision thing at unfd store.com forward slash voidivision i get a little bit of money from each one sold not that i have to explain myself to you but i also got a little bit of money for doing it anyway guess what else i get a little bit of money for if you go and buy a disclate a metal poster that you can mount on you all with a magnet at display dot com and you use the code

downbeat i get a little bit more money from that as well it's bloody lovely for me money it means I can put more into this huge guests coming because now everyone wants to come anyway stop plugging it's been five minutes of plugging it's Jack Bergen a void of vision

on the Downbeat podcast kill me perfect start we're 44 minutes late I've been rude to the rest of your band the camera's broke We've fixed the cameras, hopefully. If you're watching this on YouTube, it was fixed.

I'm here with Jack from Voidivision. We're here. Who've just learned, is not playing Glasgow. It's Edinburgh. Edinburgh. Is it the Mash house? Yes, that actually is it. Is that it Tom?

Mash house? That's the one. Then you fucking rocks. Yeah. It's like... It's a little shoebox, isn't it? Little shoe box of shit. But the crowd's fucking mental.

Well, that's it. Like, one person in these rooms moves. The rest kind of has to. Is it sold out? Yes. Of course it is. That's the other thing. Edinburgh's music scene now.

Is it up? Because it's a lot to there at the moment, isn't it? Always sold out. I think it's 300 cap that room. Always fucking sold out. That's good to see. What's the tour? It's holding absence, Voidivision.

They're doing like just old catalog, kind of small regional shows, just UK. So there's no Europe, no nothing. And we got the offer and we're kind of like, could do mainland, but at the same time, the idea of like two hour, one hour drives between every show. It's pretty interesting. insane. What?

Like, check out everything. Yeah. And you can do a podcast that's 44 minutes later. Exactly. Exactly. We can squeeze this in. That's a long way to go.

For how many shows is it? 16. And then we've got the two. 16 UK shows. I know. And then we've got the two headliners on the end. Good for them though. I know.

And it's like maybe one or two not sold out. And yeah. 16. Good track record. I need to fucking, I need to pull up where they're going. I mean, because there's not 60, no offense to my UK brethren. There is not holding absence. I don't know if I've got holding an absence blocked.

I think I had beef with them. Nah, we squashed the beef. You squashed the beef. Does this beef not come out on the tour at all? No. Tom, you must know about this beef. Huh? My beef with holding absence?

Not really, no. Not really, so he does. I whispering. I had some beef with them, but it was fine. It was a thing on the internet. Internet beef, so it's not, yeah. One of them meant to post something from a burner account and accidentally did it from the band account

and it was about me. It was a holding absence and it was a meme. It was like Craig Reynolds on the internet today and it was a baby crying. I actually mentioned this last night. You mentioned it so you know about it as well. No, no, the baby photo. That's where on, like, I was mentioning

I was coming on tomorrow. And they're like, oh. But you know what? to my I know what it was, right? Let's just get into it. And also, can I please tell you,

if I'm talking too much, what I want you to do is interject and talk over me. Okay. Because the listeners of this podcast that I love Yes. Are all subscribed on Patreon.com

4 slash the Talby, which is only a pound. Everyone else that just listens to it or watches it can't figure out if I talk too much or I don't talk enough.

But that's what they're on it for, realistically. Well, apparently not. the comments are you fucking talk too much well the patron people who are on it for that and they are the people that are really fucking nice so I'll tell you this story and then

we'll talk about you for the rest then you'll talk about you for the rest of the thing okay and in the meantime just wanting a producer to pull up the date so I can laugh at which cities are paying so for the record I don't have beef of hold an absence anymore they're very good they're very good band

squashed beef the beef was someone obviously there was bigger fucking things happening in the world at the time it was uh BLM George Floyd stray did a charity shirt someone on the internet started being very annoyed at the cost of shipping for the charity shirt and I fucking smoke this kid on the internet I was like fucking it's for charity you fucking idiot like admittedly

probably in the worst headspace of my entire life at that point and I'm pretty as you've seed into that. Pretty bad with stress. Stress management skills. I'm terrible with it. Yeah. And then one of holding... So it's a big thing.

And one of holding absence. It was actually Ash, the drummer. I know this. But we've squashed the beach. He's a lovely guy. He is. Very tall.

Didn't realize he was that tall? They're a mammoth band. It's insane. And, yeah. Very tall boys. Giant. He was supposed to post it from his burner account,

which was funny in the first Like a meme account. Yeah, like a meme account. Craig Reynolds on the internet today, which is a crying baby face. And it was accidentally posted from holding an absence. And what I must apologize for, it was literally during...

I was also going off and one about the George Floyd thing. Yeah. About police killing this guy. And I retweeted Holding Absences thing. And I said, I didn't know. Holding Absence, support the murder of an issue. innocent man. And then that was when it was like,

deleted. I got a message from, I was like, oh, we're really sorry, bu. And I was like, fucking got you.

I knew they didn't fucking mean that. Oh my goodness. And then we squash the beef and it's fine. Exactly. No, they've been very lovely. And that,

but that is very funny. And then, oh, do you know what? Faisal from Love, so we've got Tom, off camera. We've got Tom.

Tom. who is on camera but off camera doing photography and stuff for you Faisal liked the tweet and then I hated Faisal from Loth for a bit and then I realised I was being petty and then I let you stay at my house but I think Faisal still doesn't like me

even though I've squashed the beef Tom that's a yes if you didn't hear that because of the noise gate if you didn't hear that because of the night you're all right well he stayed at my fucking house when you need a place to say. That's been squashed in my books.

I like everyone for the record. I've got a new, new year, new me. New year, new persona. So what's the, how many dates in are you? We're six dates in. So six last night, seven today.

Can you reel them off? Do you know where they were? It was Exeter, Oxford, Lester. Yes. Without order, it was Sunderland last night.

There was. My God, you played the independent. Yes. Is it still got carpet floor? Yes. How disgusting is that? Yeah. These are interesting venues.

This is like, I'm really... Although some are quite flashed from what I've... More than I expected to be fair. O2, Oxford Academy. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. No. Lincoln was really nice.

It was like this really done up sort of large scale venue, considering not many bands. I'm pretty sure like the only band from Lincoln is... What are they called? Is it mutter defiled? I can't tell you. Lincoln, Jesus. Exeter, Oxford, Lester, Nottingham, Lincoln, Sunderland. I used to live in Oxford, Anna used to live in Nottingham.

Sunderland, Edinburgh, Hull, Carlisle. Oh my God, you are playing. Have you ever played any of his places before? You ever been to Hull? No. One letter away from hell for a reason. Carlyle, Liverpool, Stoke and Trent, Bristol. This is literally like my old Death Corps band rooting.

It is a bit of a Death Corps tour. Where was the best so far? best was honestly last night was pretty ready but first show in Exeter was surprisingly great just nice to kick it off I can't see because they're all sold out was it I was going to say was it the cavern but it wasn't it says P

No it was a where was it in Exeter Tom It was like a Phoenix It's like this arts kind of centre And there was weird like little galleries in there And I'm not too sure what they used that place for To be honest It was just all over the shop Arts establishment installations

It was strange. I once stayed in Exeter after playing the cabin. I don't know if the statute of limitations has gone. Again, oh, he talks too much. Get fucked. Don't listen. On a tour, I'm not even going to say whose tour it was. We didn't have a place to stay in some random girl in the street.

And she was like, oh, I'll let you stay at my house. It's just some random. And you took her up on it. And she was moving out the next day, and she gave us the keys. Three bands. a whole tour, the keys to her flat that she was moving out of the next day and we stayed in this flat. And that was... I can only... I can imagine she didn't get her deposit back.

I mean, what does she expect? I know. You're only going to have it... Yeah, that's not really it was. Did she know it was bands? Yeah, but that was like back in the day when, like, when you do a tour and you'd have no where to stay and you would literally just be walking in the street and go, sorry, you ain't got a place to stay at you. Don't mind if we just pop in. It's like being homeless a little bit. It really is. It's glorious. Other than, yeah, glorified good. Yeah, it didn't mean it was anything like it.

Obviously, it's horrible. You're not going to get me, guys. No one's going to get me. It's ungood. No, I'm not going to say it. That's fucking, because someone, someone will get me. Do you want to go straight into the sort of, it's not a bought reason that you're here?

No, yeah. We're going to get to it because actually the intro of this, well, I'll have already plugged it. it on the usual good chronicles that's it three eps three epes what's the reason three different epes so had the record essentially written or began writing and we realized this is like i don't know it's a lot to put this all in front of people we're still a band who's yet to have like a coming of age moment or like a a real proper land on the music industry and i think just put out an album of just everything that's on this without staggering it would have been a bit

full on and not necessarily gotten the ears it deserved plus it was COVID and we wanted to kind of just like stretch things actually we didn't know when the fuck touring was going to be back we didn't want to drop an album halfway through a pandemic and not be able to fucking take it around the world so yeah stretched it out and it kind of luckily just completed when international touring came back and we got to take it around so it was tracked as if it was going to be an album we tracked it um Well, we pre-proed it as if it was going to be an album, but then kind of went in. So we basically wrote, recorded, released, wrote, recorded, released, wrote, recorded, released. So we had like the game plan, essentially, that we knew the first one was going to be heavy as balls.

Second one's going to sort of head into a bit more of dramatic flare, and then the third was just going to be all that EDM. And, yeah, we kind of just basically went in with that game plan and then just wrote on the fly. And it was cool because it was like an exercise we've never done before. And putting the pressure on ourselves, especially that third one, because all of a sudden touring came back and that necessary game plan didn't work as we expected it would. Because when you're on the airport floor in Singapore airport, sending back mixed revisions, that's not exactly the best spot to kind of, yeah. Were you, is that a real story?

Singapore airport mixed revisions? That's it. So our journey to get our visas for the United States. United States was a bit fucked because COVID just kind of derailed every visa appointment, I guess. I'm sure you've had difficulties with this too being from here. And basically, we had to go to Indonesia to get our visas. So we went all the consulates in Australia, in Melbourne, Sydney, etc. booked out.

Next to bed was probably London, booked out. And we were trying to just fly to New Zealand or anywhere close. Yeah. It was like the last appointments left on earth. And all of a sudden, two weeks out of US, no appointments, no visa sign off. We're like, we're not going to go. Our lawyer comes through last minute with, we've got an appointment that's popped up for you. Are you ready for where it is?

I'm like, shoot, we're just going to fucking do it. It's in Surabai, Indonesia. And we're like, okay. And we basically just thrown all the money on flights. We've headed over to Indonesia. Well, to be fair, it was myself first. We were all on separate different appointments, like, throughout the week. Oh, my God.

You couldn't even make a little. I couldn't even let us all of it. Well, the other boys went to Bali while, while I went straight in the fucking deep end. I've gotten off at the airport. Unsure of what this area of Indonesia is realistically like, because in my head I've just got Bali, Jakarta and all that type of things. And Surabai is like, not even a business district.

It is something very strange that I wasn't really prepared for. Even Jakarta is pretty fucking out there if you've never been. Yeah, like it's something else. And that was probably the first time we've gotten real culture shock. So basically I've hopped out at the airport, gotten into, I booked like a, not a courier, I booked a driver to kind of take me to my hotel as soon as I've gotten out of the flight,

but just had no idea where this motherfucker was. It was just not, and I've picked up a SIM card, I've gotten scammed for a SIM card at the airport, which is a great start. One gig of data, ran out as soon as I got outside, not one gig, one meg of data, probably. And I've hopped in this taxi, and the bloke's not really too familiar with things.

language and he's basically been taking me around and I've popped in the address and I think the idea was behind he didn't want to take the toll way but he didn't communicate that very well by just like continuing on and ignoring every word that I said and I'm kind of starting to stress out because I'm looking at Google Maps I'm going the exact opposite way to the hotel and he just keeps driving at this stage and he's going the complete fucking wrong way and I'm like okay this is definitely wrong so I'm kind of just pulling out Google Translate on my phone and I'm like pressing buttons and like trying to like I've obviously gathered that he's not really taking on any word that I'm saying. And I've kind of just resorted to putting stop in Google Translate.

And he just keeps rolling forward. And so I've got stop and I've pulled out the money next to it. And then he's pumped the brakes. And then I've absolutely kind of just thrown him all the money that was left like that I booked out. I think you have to pay for the Indonesian visa on arrival and I just had change. And I would have had to pay him anyway. So I've just dropped off on the side of the road. What did you do?

I basically got, because there's the, these weird little stalls. Basically, it's so bizarre how this, like, town is set out. You have the airport, and then all of a sudden it just turns into nothingness. No buildings. It's just little stalls, like little markets along the way. And there's ones that sell Wi-Fi there. And so basically just walked along, because I was kind of, yeah, I don't know.

I was in, like, a state of just, it's kind of adrenaline, weirdly. Oh, yeah, I'd be like. It was survival instinct. Yeah, what movie I'm in? Because even Jakarta is fucking, like, there's some dodgy shit. Oh, for sure. And I had that in the back of my head. I'm like, what's this guy?

Is this guy going to just drive, try to drive off with me? Doors were locked? And basically, I'm like, do I need to like, and I'm sitting in the back too because it was still like COVID precautions or whatever. So I'm like, I'll be nice. I'll like just let this guy have. And I'm like, do I need to like hit this dude in the back of the head or something to make this car stop?

Like that's the first thing that popped up. Exactly. I'm not going to home. Not going to America then. Again. No visas. Yeah, a couple of hands go off. Absolutely.

But, yeah. basically you've got my Wi-Fi card on the side of the road and I've booked the what's it called grab which is like the taxi service over the Uber service over there got into my hotel which was like an over you know have Wembley's um that overbrand so it was an Ovo it's not anymore it's just a completely faded sign out the front they've like taken the sign off pulled out just dead cat in the front door next to a trestle table which was reception dead cat yeah dead domestic dead domestic head and no tail cats seems like no cats had any tails there.

It was quite rough to look at. Interesting. And pulled up to reception and it's just this bloke smoking a cigarette and I'm kind of just wondering if this is the actual hotel and he's like, oh yes. And then taking me up to my room, no shower, no toilet, no TV, just pretty much a bed. And I'm sat in there and I'm just sitting there basically of waiting because my visa appointments the next morning. I smell like a foot because I slept in the Singapore airport floor the night before.

This was for the August tour? Yes. August 22? Yeah. Who was that with? August Burns Red. Oh, he came as romance. That's worth sleeping on the floor and then in some sort of hostage environment.

It was a good tour. But then, yeah, that night, well, no TV, no shower, no toilet, but they had Wi-Fi, which is great. So you can wank. Every cloud. There's no way you didn't have a wank. I did. And basically, we basically had, I don't know, our visa appointment in the next morning, I've managed to message the guys because they were booked for that hotel to.

I'm like, do not come here, try and find somewhere else. They've tracked down this other place, which is a bit more central. It was near like the biggest mall in Indonesia. So it's a stark difference 10 minutes down the fucking road. And we've gotten there. And basically, I went to my visa appointment, show in, it was fine. Like, it was so funny. the final boss I've just gone through because I've gone there to an Australian consulate

and there's not an Australian person in sight. I'm just dealing with just all these Indonesian authorities and it's just people with guns everywhere and it's just really, really threatening. It's not a great aura around the place. And I've basically just rocked in and the final boss, the man who signs me off, he's like, oh, you're in a band. He's the only American guy there. And then basically he's kind of quizzing me on heavy music.

The Visa people. And then he's a huge Christian metal fan. And he's asked if we've heard at the gates. And then he's absolutely. Wait, out of the gates isn't Christian. Actually, they're not. Probably the opposite. I love Christian music.

At the gates. I assume it means gates of heaven, not hell. He hasn't quite glued in. He hasn't fucking read into it. I just liked the music. It's so fucking funny. It is good. And then he's just stamped away.

And that gave me another adrenaline. I'm off to this brand new hotel. What did you say? Like, because he would have said, does it sound like at the gates? Or does he say anything like it? Does it sound like Parkway Drive? Because he heard the Australian accent.

And that was what got me. Yeah. I was like, okay, you, boom. Yeah, you're getting me. Yeah, absolutely. The best I've had is, the one I always get like, because I obviously, if I'm talking to a normal person,

a GP, general public, civilian, I'll say I'll say you know, rage against machine and then you go, yeah, and I go, it's like that, but a bit faster and a bit scarier.

It's your border control story. But, no, border control. You can't say, do you know rage against the machines? The anti-government, you know, the balance against everything that you do? Yes, we sound like them

and we're pretty much like them. So for those ones, I'm like, do you know, death tones? And they go, yeah, kind of. I was like, it's a bit like that. There's like four rifts like that. Or they'll go like, oh, oh, like Metallica.

And I'm like, yeah, like, Metallica. Yeah, of course it's like Metallica. The worst one I had, right? And this is, this was my, this was early in my, like, getting the visas. Because it's quite intimidating. Yes. Quite early in my, having to go to the US Embassy visa situation. They really do quiz you.

It was actually out the border. And it was, like, like, just asked me a few questions. Oh, is it like Pantera? And I was like, well, this guy likes metal. Yeah. It's like yours as well. But metal. and I was like, yeah, I guess

it's kind of like, and he was like, what about Tall? And I was like, I fucking love Toll, like, one of my favorite bands. And he was like, have you seen the Me Too people are coming for Mainewood?

And I was like, this guy's a cop. And I was like, no, I haven't. And he was like, they're ruining everything, man. A police officer. And I was like, oh, all the stuff everyone says is true. Like, I was like, shocked. And I was like, no, can I come in, please? sense oh my god so you're just having to sit there haphazedly but smiling along yeah now i got the

whatever the big dick visa is the big boys the oh is yeah big dick one which we luckily got too for the two you got an oh you know who it is it's fucking unfd they're so sick and good at what they do get get that one and when you go to the border they go oh boom welcome it's awesome i think i'm fucking a celebrity i'm getting a little bit bit of Big Bull. The Mad Damon visa. So, but not to derail. The thing, while still on that story.

Yes. Because there's been a mad shit. Always, you know, not to tar him with a brush, but it's always in Southeast Asia. Like the weird shit happened. Yeah. But usually I'm with the rest of the band, so it's funny. Yours just sounds terrifying. It was terrifying until the boys got there.

It was the biggest sigh of relief. I mean, I was great because, like, I got the visa stamp and all of a sudden I was on a bit of just a high like I was just like yeah this is kind of great and so I've gone and visited this biggest mall in Indonesia isn't that great

plays the service but yeah I don't know the boys came in that night and they had their appointment the next day and the thing was oh what happened they didn't the guy was so excited about this concept of a heavy band coming to Indonesia

to get their stamp sign that he didn't give me this receipt that there was another there was like a fee there was like a printing fee or something that needed to be paid like for it to go into your visa and he was just so caught up in the moment he kind of left without giving me that and luckily um our drummer our feeling drummer who we bought for that he managed to he bought it up to this feeling drummer and he's like oh i forgot to give your friend this receipt so if he didn't fucking grab that and we were yeah we missed the first three dates of that u.S tour because we flew straight there Australian. So it wasn't great. You went straight from Indonesia. Sorry, it was like Indonesia,

Melbourne for a few hours, then to America. But yeah, we missed the first three dates, dropped in like show number three. And yeah, honestly, like that's who it was well worth it, because the weirdest part was it wasn't even A markets. It was like B, C, D markets, which seems to be an ongoing trend like this tour that we're doing. But it works. The people are, The people, post-COVID, like, I'll take a fucking B and C market of people. Absolutely. The whole thing in America for me is like flipped post-COVID. It used to be, I used to hate L.A. shows and I used to love Texas shows.

Texas shows are the fucking, oh, have you flipped now? I flipped. I flipped. I flipped, and Texas is kind of shot, and L.A. is kind of sick. Interesting, because we didn't do L.A. at all. Usually, historically, I've never played a good show there, but now for some reason, people care. I don't know.

I don't know what's happened. Something switched. Something switched. I love Texas as a fucking place. Yeah. I love it. Possibly like Austin probably love it more than LA. Yeah.

But the shows are like, I'm sorry we can't be Kubla Khan, all right? I think that might be the problem. That's the issue. They're expecting more of that. But yeah. Get this. Pull this up.

Let's talk about this. So I've had a few people. All right. Smash a place up. I've had a few people, if you're not watching this on YouTube, I've spent a lot of fucking money for you to watch it on YouTube. So watch it on YouTube. What we got here is, if anyone remembers the downbeat,

which is the podcast you're listening to right now, did a special edition of euthanasia by Stray from the Path, where it was death metal artwork by Koki Greenway, who's known to do artwork for bands like Aborted and stuff. and what we've done is we did a special one with Void of Vision we're on the same label and I like the band so particularly we'll get into it but particularly the EPs and we'll talk about why in a minute

but so when I got hit up by our label and was like do you want to do another one of these collab things and have you got any ideas I was like funny enough and you know what the idea came to me in fucking one second you replied to that email within and I was like well I've got it so they're Australian I've got it they're Australian the album if you're

watching it on YouTube I'm going to hold it up the album's called Chronicles but our version here which is all that sorry the EPs are called Chronicles one two and three and they have little sub names what we've done here is we put them all onto one vinyl and the artwork in a death metal is a giant weed monster

I'd watch scary movie two the night before so it was like it was immediate I was just Okay, I know what we do. Was it called Chronicles? Okay. Ours is called Chronic, and it says, oh, it's really small. And there's a giant death metal weed monster killing... What's his name?

What's his actual name? Paul Hogan. Paul Hogan, aka Crocodile Dundee, some koalas, there's some boomerangs, there's some kangaroos, and my final one was empty bottles of fucking VB. Fucking VB. Fucking VB, you dog can.

and some some fucking alligators or crocodiles you got? Crocs. Crocs. And it's on. What's the official name of the color? Orange gelato.

Orange gelato. Which I can't remember if that was my idea or we all had the idea. I think you had that idea from the... And if anyone was burnt with the stray from the path one which came and it was too hard to get out of its sleeve.

This one's actually very easy to get out of its sleeve. And it's in orange gelato, which is orange. and green. It's very nice. Tears. Look at that.

It looks like bud. It really does. And that's got that. That spins around, isn't it. It's a pleasure doing stuff with you. Absolutely. Especially because, right,

we'll get into this. When your band used to come up, back in the day, no offense. Oh, none taken. I'm expecting. And I file, why does everyone hate me?

I filed it under Sounds a bit like architects, which is what I have to do quite a lot of the time. It is true. But what I'm learning is instead of me opening my mouth, which I didn't actually with you guys, label mates. Get away with it. Get away with it. You just let these bands, because when I started a band, I'm getting, I think it's in my

old age. I'm getting like more, I see the world in like a wider lens. so I'm like, when I started playing a band, it's just something like fucking Sepaltura. And if Sepulchura had heard it, if the technology had existed for someone who was friends with Sepulchura to hear it, they'd go, that sounds like fucking Sepulchura.

Fuck off, you're fucking idiots. So like, Polaris, you guys, even, nah, bad omens is more bring me, but like these bands that start heavily influence, if you just shut your... your fucking mouth and let them get on with it. Eventually, they figure out their niche. And they end up, you end up liking it

because you like the other stuff. Because I fucking love architect. Absolutely. To the minute you guys got a little bit got off, I was like, what's going on you? What's going on here? And then you got synthi.

And I was like, I'm in. Historically, if you put two and two, if you put some synths in and some goth, I'm fucking in. Sabagoth revival. So Chronicles Particularly Chronicles 2 Pretty fucking gophe

Is Chronicles 2 the one of the first tracks Literally called Burgeny Bergen, yeah Have you been? No, George is born and bred in Berlin And yeah, we just wanted to nod I don't think he has She's moved here when he was 16th

Oh really? Yeah, she'll tell you some stories Because we had it lined up We were coming out with Loth last year and there was a day, well, a night that was freed up, there was day off afterwards, and it was like 10 minutes from the venue. Yeah, it's so close to like Cassio Pia and all that stuff. That's where we were playing.

It's literally around the corner. Yeah. So I've never been, but I've gone. Can I get you just move close to the night? Sorry. I've never been, but I've gone and like just checked it. Just checked out the line. Like, it's fucking insane.

If anyone doesn't know, Bergheen is, I can't pronounce it in German, is a fucking, essentially a sex goth industrial club in Berlin. It's a monstrous idea. And it's,

you know, from what people that I know that have been is like, it's just everyone's naked and fucking and fucking doing fucking drugs

and it's awesome. Yeah. It just sounds like, yeah, that's what we wanted that song to sound like. And that's what, like,

it's the same like Ramstein and like, yeah, that's the shit. I love, apparently, I don't know

if this is actually true but apparently in like the 90s that whole street where all of that stuff is on yeah apparently in the 90s like ramstein bought loads of apartments in that place and like essentially just like live off that and spend all of their money that they make from the band on the production of the band and because they just make their money from living in these or owning these apartments on that strip might be a rumor i it wouldn't surprise me that band has the craziest weirdest weirdest history like till's fucking and they spend a lot of money yeah till's just history as a human being is fucking insane so it wouldn't surprise me that yeah that checks it out isn't it weird

you can like i fucking love that band and i fucking love good but like if someone else came out with a song about abortions like they would get fucking absolutely rinsed and he's just like his solo project the song that's literally about how i won't wear a condom i will just abortions the child is fucking insane i'm sure there's some like deeper meaning to it but absolutely he gets away with it it's insane i don't know yeah you're right like i feel like in this song fucking rules by that band just is yeah historically everything they've put out just so like i don't know politically heavily charged it's always met with just not what i don't know it's like a cutoff for bands to release topics like that, I feel.

It's a bit odd how it works. He must be being clever about it. Also, for the record, I don't think it's fucking awesome for the actual thing. Just wear a condom if you're listening to this, basically. Consensual, wear a condom. Done, you can't get me.

Incidentally, as well as not being able to get me, it's actually what I believe. But, like, I feel like everything that they do has, like, a deeper political meaning. Oh, absolutely. I just, with that song, I didn't really go into why. I haven't really checked it out. I mean, he's like, full author mode now.

Like, just, yeah, he's poetry too, isn't it? Like, it's just a whole game, like, I don't know. He's big-time artist. And I think, because he's just so into the visual side of stuff too. Like, as you're seeing on the New Rammstein videos, it's fucking stupid. Like, the production is. It's crazy. It looks like movies.

Yeah. It's so insane. The Deutscheand video was like, I think it cost multiple millions. It blew my fucking mind. I couldn't believe what I was watching. I remember exactly where I was when it came out, actually. That's how groundbreaking was like JFK dying. Like, where were you when Ramstein released the story slam video?

I was actually on Will Putney's sofa watching that. I woke up and Tom was like, have you seen the new Ramfstein video? I was like, no. Pops it on. It was fucking amazing. So, back to the Chronicles. Of course. Who's doing the Sims?

James. he basically where basically this whole experience kind of stemmed from the album prior to this we worked with John from North Lane on a few tracks.

I had a conversation about synths with John from North Lane sat in that chair about four days ago. I can feel the... Everyone's going to be like, why do you keep talking to Australian people

about synthesizers? Well, I'm about to bring in a British element too because have you heard of a band or modern era from here. So Kel is a boy genius and he's a lot more in the analog world, which John also dwells within. But we worked a bit with Kel on this Chronicle series with some of the synth work too. James kind of built a lot from scratch, but I think we're still learning how to incorporate

the warmer sounds and just more like actually dialing in tones and that sort of dial. But yeah, we've basically kind of worked upon that and we're building as that sort of been. and now and I think like we're at the stage where touring is fucking expensive and we would love to have pay a session musician to come out and also hit parts but yeah we're just trying to work out how to incorporate and said I think headliners in Australia it's no stress it'll be so much fun to actually do it live and have James like taking a bit of a live producer seat on stage but um yeah it's all just a matter of working out the live formation for time being but yeah James is the master genius behind all the things we're

and he knows what he's doing now. That's awesome. So we're having a lot of fun. I think bands can either go one or two ways with the synth thing. I think it's perfectly acceptable to have synth on a backing track. Like it's money saving or whatever. But I really think it was bring me. Yes.

When they got Jordan and then fucking can you feel my heart? Like I didn't realize he was playing it on drum pads. And then I saw a video of it and I was like, oh my God, that's the coolest fucking thing ever. And then everyone was like, oh,

cool, let's just, when we get to that point, let's do it live. Like, you see architects doing it live now and stuff. That's it.

That's the dream. But like, everyone knows I have a fucking, I have a laptop beef, but our scint, we've got scinty bits now. We're dipping a synthy fucking toe in.

Yeah. And, uh, we can bring in a guy. There's not enough of it to fucking do it. That's it. It's toe in the line I think like

I don't know If we were to do it I'd like to put a spin on it So it's not just another sort Of Jordan Fish rip off Build like a hectic like Kind of ghost Kind of stage set up

Have like an altar or something That he's got the Yeah shit like that What's the deal with the goggles? Speaking of stage The goggles So I love your stage shit

Thank you Thank you very much I'm gonna I'm not going to Edinburgh So I'm annoyed That's fair I thought he's in Glasgow I'm gonna go I'm not going to Edinburgh

Sorry Totally understand well. Draw the line. I probably would. Especially if holding absence might hate me. It might go to be hated. So the goggles started, it was kind of the gag, just avoid a vision type of blackout gag and the whole just, I don't know, dominatrix vibe of everything.

And we kind of introduced all the leather and the trimmings of such. And then basically, as we released that first, the first EP, I started developing, helping alopecia. So basically all the hair fell off my body. Holy shit. Yeah. I thought it was a style thing. No, yeah.

It's fucking crazy. So basically, when was it? Wait a minute. I'm mind-blane. Give me this story. Sorry. You're fine, you're fine. So yeah, basically all the hair started falling off my body.

And yeah, I was a bit like nervous at front kind of just pulling that off. level where basically you're in videos, you're live. Do you know why? No idea, to be honest. Are you cool talking about it? Yeah, absolutely. Look, it's like I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm nothing of the sort, and I know that there's side effects of the Vax that we all signed off on.

Cancel trigger, ready. But it did happen after the second dose of Pfizer. And I mean, if it happened, it might not have happened because of that. I went to my GP into a dermatologist and they couldn't dial it down. You know what? I'm like in the same boat. I've got all of them. I've got all the vaccines.

I've got everything. My girlfriend got a blood clot. Yeah, funnily enough, also speaking of blood clots, not trying to top on to what already is also going on, but it was also January last year. So actually a year to the date today. So I woke up, well, I didn't wake up, I woke up in an ambulance. I basically had a nocturnal seizure just out of fucking nowhere.

I remember, I think I heard about this. Yeah, it's a pretty crazy story. Hit me. So I basically woke up in the back of an ambulance, I've gone to hospital. My partner's like luckily been in, because I just moved into an apartment and I would have been there by myself if she didn't come over that night. And basically, she's called her. up the ambulance, I've been sent off, and this wasn't a, nothing to do with, well, I don't know,

to be honest. But basically, I was born with what's called like an AVM, and it's called an atrovenal malphal, oh God, aviorephal vascular malformation. And it's basically a giant pool, or like a clot of veins in the middle of, like, where my brain is. And when that sort of, when they're all sort of pumping too hard to the fact that they choke each other off, the regular like keep yourself awake function doesn't work and it just puts you into seizure mode and this is the first time it happened first time it's ever happened and they they even let me know that i was born with it and everything and it's just grown over time to the point where it becomes a bit of a danger so basically they put me on this like really heavy um epileptic medication

and to stop me having nocturnal seizures basically throughout the year what is it gabapentin it was Lavitrisam or Kepra. And basically I was just dosed up on that, couldn't drive, couldn't drink, couldn't have any of the fun stuff for about a year's end. And it's been a year now, sober, which is fucking wild. But basically I've been kind of going through that and going through the loops of the public health system in Australia for a year now. And I've finally gotten to a point where they figured out they couldn't cut it out.

So basically they just have to do the radiation therapy like three times this year and, yeah, eventually clear it. So you've got to have radio therapy? Yeah. Which weirdly, like, the side effect of that would be just this basically. So I'm already covered bases with the hair loss. Fucking how. So what's the like, what's the prognosis with it? Basically, I need to get it out by the time I'm, the older I get, the worse it's going to get.

So basically I need to tackle it as soon as possible. So it's basically me preventing myself from having seizures until that point, which was kind of scary like going to America for the first time because we didn't know what necessarily would bring this thing on if it was like, I don't know, accentuated activity during the day or like stress that kind of like alleviates it. I have a feeling alcohol might have been something to do with it because I was like getting pretty blackout drunk before that to the point where I'd pass out and it hadn't really been a thing prior my life and I was wondering why that was happening and then bam that January happened and has it happened since? No, luckily enough.

My partner's probably got like scared the shit out of her that night. So she probably thinks like every time I twitch in my sleep, then I'm kind of like about to gear up for another one. But yeah, no, that's, I guess just living with that. And yeah. Change your outlook? Yeah, big time. In what way?

In the way that I kind of, I guess you can see the way of how I dress on stage, how I perform and how I like put myself into the art now. It's just kind of I've got to do everything that I want to do in my life now. what's the point of fucking waiting you just got to do everything as soon as it comes because who knows what tomorrow holds really and the alopecia is completely unrelated

completely unrelated I think that was I thought you were doing it for style so if it if it means anything you're pulling it off thank you thank you very much I literally was looking for your Instagram before this and I was saying to my girlfriend

I was like this guy's fucking cool so I appreciate that you don't see many people like because in my head it was like a Billy Corgan thing I was like you don't see right don't see people like committing to the fucking artist look

that's it yeah well I was already shaving my head before that and then maybe it was thrust upon you perhaps just the yeah I don't know but whatever it was honestly weirdly enough it helped me push myself even further out there so kudos to the alopecia gods looking down on me because have you like have you like have you

Do you care? Not really anymore. Did you care at first? Yeah, absolutely. That was part of the goggles. We did a music video where my eyes were covered in feathers because I didn't want people to see. I didn't have other hands.

Oh, yeah, I remember that one. Yeah, it was just small things like that for the beginning and like just doing the makeup to kind of hide it. But now I just don't keep a fuck. It's just a part of me. And it's going to live. I don't know. Like, I could care, but I see no point to be honest.

It's part of that new perspective, I guess. Like, yeah. And it also helps with not caring what people think. because it kind of translates into your art and how you present everything in your life and how you just act and carry yourself out in day-to-day worlds. Yeah.

It helps. Do you have like, is the sober thing difficult? It was at the start, yeah. Is it like you have to be sober? It was, yeah, so the first three months, just mixing, drinking, I think it was three to six months. I can't remember. I couldn't drive for six months,

couldn't drink for three. But mixing this medication with the other. alcohol would have just like yeah just been messy so i just thought you know what like i wanted to give this a crack for a while so this is probably the best time to do it and then i've just kind of got to the six months and i don't really feel like a beer i've had all like the alcohol free options and honestly a lot of them are quite delicious some of them they're killing it's crazy what they're doing and it's i've found within this year it's only getting better and yeah i had a brew dog run the other night i think it was really nice yeah and uh brooklyn's got a good one yeah special effects

Yeah. Pamela, what do you want? Do you want to be on the podcast? Come here. It's just a little mention. If you're not watching this on YouTube, you can hear a little tiny little doggy. What we're doing, right,

can you see this part of her hair here that's really long? That one, which we like to dread. That right there. So we usually shave her. I say we. She usually shaves her. and what we did is we left one bit to see how long her hair would grow

if we didn't shave her and that's how long so now we're just going to let her grow and just see she turns into some little fucking ferval. Little gremlin. Verbal thing. Before I was brutally interrupted by a lovely dog another point.

Yeah. About what we fucking talk about? Something about being bored. Yeah. Yeah. Alcohol free beer. Alcohol-free beer. They make good alcohol-free beers.

Absolutely. Any weed? Any? No, so, like, I just cut everything out, and I was just... I feel like I could really do with doing that. It was, I was honestly amazed. Honestly good, like, I've never felt, it's just brain fog be gone. Is there any side effects from the medication?

Slash, is there any pros? Because, the reason I said gabapentin, because I've had gabapentin before, which was prescribed for fucking restless legs of all things that are not an actual fucking, disease but they are but i usually get right and sometimes i still get it really really bad rest of the time they put me on gab with pent for a while okay um and it was also like it can help with your uh anxiety and it because of the way it works they kind of there's kind of a

conspiracy that is the new oxy in terms of uh interesting they are prescribing it for everything and it's quite difficult to come off but i remember when i was on it it was kind of like having two beers. It was like, it's like, so I feel like for me, I just drink to take the hedge off life because there isn't an antidepressant

or an anti-anxiety medication that I like. Yeah. So I'm just like, I'll just have a couple of beers and deal with it. That's it. And that was usually my go-to as well. And now I posed them just raw dog in life,

just trying to smash through, which was, it was interesting. It helped me build like, I don't know, I can actually do things like, I don't know, life admin now.

And I can sort of develop myself as a person and a human being without like just the brain fog which I found from drinking and just drug use and I don't know it's just it's super nice to see the other side and what it is like because without this scenario popping up I probably wouldn't ever would have tried because it's just too much fun and that's what I found like I was probably I don't know if it's a year on I'd have a beer just to see if I missed it but yeah the thing is the alcohol-free ones as an Australian and as a Brit, we just love the taste of beer.

Oh, yes. If you can nail it alcohol-free, I'll drink it alcohol-free. The alcohol-free Guinness is fucking outstanding. Yeah, exactly. If it tastes like Guinness, then... Exactly. But I'd be interested to have it over here as opposed, because, funnily enough, we were talking about it last night

that Guinness doesn't travel well, and opposed to the one that you get in Dublin to over here. It is a fucking lame thing to say, but it really is better. Yeah. It really fucking is. It's like getting a haggis in Scotland. It's so much better.

But yeah, the meds didn't really have, they kind of had side effects. I guess it kind of played into the whole mild depression at the beginning of just losing all my fucking hair and everything. It was just like decreased sex drive for a hot minute, but that's... Like every fucking medication on earth. Pretty much.

It's pretty crazy that it's probably the longest playing, I guess. side effect the whole thing. Do you ever get on the bono pills? No. I'm kind of on the bone of pills at the moment. Like, honestly,

for the, well, I'm fucking 35. Not like, not like, my dick's not working, but like, I got them to,

uh, like someone told me, because I, I get, I'm going through like a, a mild, I used to drink every day, right?

Yeah. So now I'm going through like a mild, sober face where I'm like, I'll drink at an event. Yeah, because I'm at home. I'm on tour. drink every day because I need to get through the talk.

Absolutely. So kudos to you for not doing that. Now I'm in my like experimental health drug stage where I'm like well my brain needs to take drugs but why if I just make them like ones that can help with things? And then I'm like

I'm also this is going to get too personal. So basically there's a side effect a positive there's a bone appell which is which has a gym benefits. Yeah.

But B. it has benefits for a part of the man's anatomy that is prone to getting cancer, right? Ah. Which runs in my family. Oh, okay. And I was like, and it's like there's studies of it being like preventative or whatever. And I was like, well, what's the worst is going to happen? I'm going to get loads of boners.

So it's like, right, I'm willing to vote. So it's like a couple of times a week before the gym. We get mad pumps in the gym and then mad bono pumps as well. So I'm like, I'll tell you. I'll chuck you some. And tell you what, I'll let you know how I go. It might fucking work.

Anyway, enough about my bono pills. Imagine if I had one of the bono pill sponsors as well. That'd be perfect. Oh, he'd bone appeal companies. I'm using your shit. Give me your shit. Right? And before anyone thinks it emasculates me,

the boners were fine. Now, it's like, you've got a 1.8 petrol engine. it's fine I guess you've made it be turbo charge would you like to do a dream festival I'd love to do a dream festival do we need to plug anything else

what you got are you working on another album we are we're working on the record now so basically we're doing some bits and bobs over here after the tour's wrapped up after the headliners so just a bit of extra work

on the new material and yeah it's all like surprise surprise stuff for now but yeah there'll be music this year yeah all that'll do we've done bonus we've done the

buy, oh shit, we should probably say you can buy that. You can buy it. And we'll have it at the merch desk on this tour. Really? Now, you don't have to answer this. Do you know if my cut, I still get that from the ones that you sell it merch? Because I'm on a perp unit. I don't know if you know this.

Kate Lawrence, if you're watching, please reply to my DMs. Are you finding that out? I'm going to find that out after this podcast. They are limited, but I'm on a, if you want to support the podcast, I'm on a sort of, I don't know a little split of this. I don't know if Jack Jack actually knew I did

but I'm on a little split hopefully the ones from the merch stand sell out before no no we don't want that we want the people from the podcast to be able to buy it that's it

I mean there's only a limited amount we've got an event and we sold out of the normal ones so that's all I've got funnily enough at the merch test the other night I went to grab one and I'm like can't put that out

I mean you can't yeah probably could have I do like money but this year I love it it's good I live in the world I'm sorry

alright that's a plug we're done it's not a professional fucking thing Dream festival Dream festival I'm gonna talk you through it Have you pre thought of this I haven't really

But I've just I've got a dream festival in my head Anyway don't I've got a concept Let's see Yeah now you've thought of it I love it when someone It's gotta help you

It's people's favourite part of the podcast And I'm starting to think that people want to come here To do their dream festival My dream, my dream podcast is that people come. We do about half the amount of time that we did. It's not like I didn't have a bad time. But then just for ease, like so on Friday,

I'm doing someone I've never met before. Yeah. In fact, I cancelled it, but I was doing someone I've never met before. Massive person. Oh, right. I'll tell you who was. It was Frankieero.

That's pretty good. That would have been nice. Yeah, but two issues with it. Oh. got an email saying you're not allowed to mention my chemical rainroads and I was a bit like

it's a big catch I don't know what I would say because I'm not like a MTR fan but then also like would you mean I can't mention it like it's a big part of this history comes up and I go well how

and it's not like that yeah I'm not going to go like ohy what about fucking Gerard is he cool like I don't look like I fucking like obviously appreciate what I've done anyway but then it was like a whole thing where it was like they've got to be in and out in an hour

yeah right so if the dream festival was the main event if for some reason for this gets back to him I do really want you here but I was told by the press agent I've only got an hour including travel so if it was a dream festival was the main event exactly then they could come in boom dream festival leave but currently people like a little chat

We had a little Jakarta chat. We had an alopecia chat. We had a bono chat. The whole shebang. And then now we get the Dream Fest. Yeah. Then you go to Edinburgh. You have a lovely time.

Exactly. To not drink whiskey. I'm trying to think what you could do. Not much. Castle. I wouldn't mind a bug fast while I'm here, but that's the only problem. No, you can't. That would be.

It's a blood clot central. It is. It's designed to give you a brain plot. Okay. Dream Festival. We're going to go. I'm going to talk you through it. you know you come from one of my favorite parts of the world and my dream festival would be in

Melbourne but where is your dream festival going to be located it would be in Australia yeah I'm gonna say Melbourne too just just to have do you live in Melbourne yes live in Melbourne awesome it's best unbiased best are you at home without leaking anything we're about to leak anything about to leak something are you at home in May Or are you on tour? We are at... Yeah, we're at home in May. I might see you.

Amazing. I think I've heard. Yes, very good. What... So you're in Melbourne? Yeah. What time of year? Time of year, it would be not hot summer.

Well, at the moment, who fucking knows when that is? It's been very turbulent in Melbourne at the moment, but probably like a November. Yeah, November festival in Melbourne. It would have to be in a location. I don't want to do just a regular run-in-a-mill location. How dream is this? How dream festival is this? Is Freddie Kruger on the guest list?

Will Putney's audience was dogs. Like, it's insane. All right, it's insane. Yeah. Okay, fair go. So if you're doing it... It's going to be probably... I'd love to do an arena festival,

just because, well, our version of arena is, like, the Melbourne Cricket Ground. It's probably the biggest... biggest shibong there but you've got the whole outside is like a whole kind of i don't know it's not like wembley here you've got it kind of is actually you've just got the surrounds that you could open up pop-ups all around okay you could have the main stage inside the arena and then everything and the outside and does anything of this just play into the fact that you won't have to travel very far that's why it's melbourne and friends weather's pretty good friends are pretty good okay i think i'd love to see family and friends there so that's different

part of that. What's catering? Catering is, have you, are you, uh, vegan diet or anything? I've done it before, done it for six months. Have you ever heard of Smith and Daughters in Melbourne? Catering is Smith and daughters. Shannon Martinez is cooking the whole fucking plate. Fuck yeah. She's whipping up, she's bringing the whole deli. It's just all catered and bloody home designed. Is it like, I can't remember what it is. Is it like fucking meat?

Like, yeah. boozy butcher style meat, but essentially. So she's, I think she's not even veg. Like her partner, I think it's Mo Wise in the business, is the vegan one.

And she just adapts her recipes from a meat eater's point of view. And she just whips up the most insane dishes that I've ever had. And now it's like the most bougie restaurant you can go to for vegan stuff in Melbourne. It's an awesome experience. You just paperhead.

And they kind of just put it in front of you. And you go nuts. Fuck you. I like that to be the festival. Yeah. How long's that been? Seven years now. So you're not going to get him on the hair shit, right?

Oh, you should eat a fucking steak and then blah, blah, blah. That's it. Just preempting the fucking YouTube comments. Still leave that comment, though, because the algorithm, okay? It's good. Don't poke me mean. Yeah, be fucking mean. All right.

What's it called Smith and Daughters? Smith and Daughters. Smith and Dawes. I only said Smith and Weston, but that's guns. That's guns. And then Smith and Deli is the, delicatessen version so it's like all a it's kind of like a new york kind of that's the one i'm thinking of that's i remember just getting like fucking sandwiches and shit in there it's the

fucking best it's so nice right they're doing catering well catering damn ideal ideal drink situation then there'd be elk freeze but i want everyone else to be what i've really enjoyed about being sober is watching everyone else around me like i can still i've learned i can still fucking love it because i just it it just like makes you think i I can also get on that level just from, I don't know, being around good character and just happiness. Oh, when someone's too drunk, though, when you're sober, it's the worst. When someone's coked up and you're sober, it's fucking, that's the chew.

That's the true. I'm not bad. Just fucking relax. I've got a terrible Europe bus story for you after. I won't name names. Oh, what? Yeah. I can't have it with a name excluded.

Don't say anything that you're going to ask me to edit out afterwards because I'm just not going to do it. I can't say. No, right, there we go. The amount of people to do that, like, oh, can you edit that a bit? I'll, fuck off. I'll save the chop.

Thank you. No, you're right. The audience would be incredibly disappointed. Is there anything that you really, really, really miss that you can't get alcohol free? Currently, this is just a festival. There's no dream involved. That's it.

I mean, I love Bloody Mary's, especially at a festival. You're waking up in the morning if it's like, you know, like the, you do. You've done a unify festival in Australia. Oh, yeah. Is download the same? where you camp or no?

I mean, you can. Yeah. But you wake up in the morning, get early to the festival the day after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have a drink first thing off the bad, Bloody Mary. Best.

Is there no alcohol-free, Bloody Mary? Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, so we've got those on. I'm a head of Bloody Mary's. I'm sure if you put, like, I'm sure it's not great for you, but like some bleach in a tomato juice.

Get some form of a kick. No, it'd be like that vodka, like, taste, don't do that. No one do that. The alcohol-free vodka is pretty interesting too. I think I draw the line on spirits It's not Because I like

I love A sugar free Drink Yeah Oh no Zucca Man drink Like yeah No sugar free

Sprite Zucca fry The best is the fucking I literally I should get a fucking endorsement The Coca-Cola Free Sale machines Yeah

Where you can just go Fanta fucking Strawberry Still zero sugar like that's my if i could have those everywhere i reckon i could stop drinking yeah the issue is everyone was just like no Pepsi fucking Coca-Cola i'm like this is a zucka-fry festival so is it nice no sugar see i i love that and i'll be that guy that yesterday i was that guy i went to five guys and diet drink and everyone's like oh you know it's fucking 800 less calories okay

trying to get wham fucking relax okay okay zooka free fest we're in Melbourne cricket round so far there's no dream who's headlining can they be is it dead or alive you can do whatever you want can this be like can I gather the rights for resurrection fest from Spain

and basically it's called resurrection fest it is and I'm just resurrecting all the bands that are all the people that I would have loved to see Okay. Are you, are they really, are they, they never died? Oh no, they're dead. They're dead, but they are reanimated. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like, not to the point where it's like hologram and everyone knows. It's kind of like, it's the real person. It's the real person. We've been, designed a way to get them back. Absolutely. Okay, now we're in Dream Festival world. Absolutely.

Because we had it before, I've had holograms. Holograms aren't going to cut it for me. And I've had Freddie Mercury never died in the first. place but I've never actually had re, like risen from the grave. Yeah, zombies, like. Are they zombieed? No, they're nice zombie. They're collected

zomified. So it's like maybe the white balances off. All they remember to do is perform. All they remember to do is perform. Oh, wow, that's like the muscle memories there. Yeah, that's, I imagine that one stick around when you're dead. Human rights violation in that. There's no

law for that. This festival is going down. after a year. This is an A24 movie. Okay. So who's headlining? Prince. Nice. Yeah.

I think, yeah, I could go really ham on this. You could just have Prince. You could have Bowie. Oh, wow. Yeah, it would be great. You could have Michael Hutchins in excess. I feel like if they did develop this, arguably, you know, quite human rights violating.

It's not even human rights. It's dead, dead, zombie rights violating technology. They would go all out with the first one. Absolutely. Yeah, you'd play all your cards. Before. Who knows of it? Yeah.

The fucking health committee is going to be like, you guys, we can't do this. This is absolutely one-note only stuff. Did you hear about Peter Steele biting someone? Okay. Okay, this isn't going to go well. You'd have Keith Flint Prodigy. Oh, wow. Everybody are all up there.

It's quite a part. Party, party, festival. Oh, yeah, so, sorry, the only rule is that Boydivision are playing. Oh, okay. So, we'd open. Yeah? Yeah. Get it all out of the way, done and early.

Actually, what's your accommodation? I like people to be there. What's your accommodation? Accommodation. I should really learn to do this in the right order. So it should be location, catering, accommodation. Because you are playing. Where would you like to stay in regards to the festival?

I'd love wherever we do stay for, it would have to be just like, Like, it's going to be too hard to get this in Melbourne. But basically we played a festival last new years in a castle in a regional place in Australia with Parkway and Polaris. And it was magnificent. And I'd love for every artist to stay in the same castle. And then it's just absolute kick on. And you get to meet Prince and you get to meet Bowie. I'm sure they wouldn't want to bar avoid a vision.

But, uh, it's a dream. So maybe they're fans. I feel like even in my dream, they'd hate me. But that's just... So wait,

are you staying in a castle now? I think so. We'd fly down to Ballarat to Corral Castle. Private Jet. Private Jet. That's cool. And we're actually still at the cricket round. Yeah.

Prince. It's on the roof. Pretty good. You're going to have to line this up for me. Well, that's a hard line. Yeah, you're going to have to do it. You can have two stages. You can have two days.

Two stages. Yeah. So Prince Bowie. Nice. In excess Prodigy. nice I wonder who else crazy because I met

like Michael Hutchins calm obviously you've you've told us that all he can do is remember to play the songs but I'm sure he's going to someone's going to be annoyed

at the fact they're not headlining because you've got all these people it's a big deal all these people coming back from the grave oh big time and everyone's like well wait a minute actually that's a good point I mean this after party would be terrible

just thinking about bunch of zombies and all they know is to perform. The rest of the band are there. Yeah. And the actual... Yeah, the living members. The living members and then the zombies are... They're kind of carrying their mate around, like, Weekend of Bernie's.

Weekend of Bernie. Weekend of Bowies. R-I-P. I knew this would be... You were a legend, R-I-P. R-O-P. Okay, who is... I need a smaller band.

A smaller band. I guess you guys are a smaller band. We are. band you're into maybe more people need to know about. I'm going to say Thornhill for the sake of plugging their GoFund me right now because they just got $100,000 worth of you stolen. And if I could possibly plug this on this podcast, this would be the time to do that. Yeah.

What happened? Give me a little... So basically, they're good friends of ours and they... I'm kind of getting at it as why I know this exact scenario. Basically, there's a giant warehouse that the drummer bends. father sort of owns its business. It's a giant fruit shop, basically functioning out of there, and they've got a little sort of practice involved in that giant headquarters.

And basically there's a big, and like kind of, I won't go too far into it, but there was a big fire. They'd caught the whole warehouse on fire. Only thing left untouched was their little practice. It's a little brick building. And basically, from the looks of it, it's a lot of these buildings that burned down, in Melbourne especially. It's not a great sort of area where it was.

A lot of squatters sort of come in. And from the looks of it, they've just basically come across. And they couldn't access this place because it was a criminal investigation because of the fire. And it looks like basically some squatters have broken in and just stolen a bunch of their gear.

Literally all of their gear, though. They can't find it. Yeah. And they're on tour with architects in like a week. Australian, which is a... That sucks. And it hasn't come up on eBay or anything on it. No.

So they keep an eyes out. there's that area you've got cash converters here don't you yeah yeah that's generally where you see it pop in but they don't have any air tags or anything well that's a thing they they do but I'm wondering if it's just on their gear for when they're flying and touring they take it out let lesson for everyone

air tag your fucking gear even if it's in your practice room saved our skin on this tour did it our guitars didn't leave Melbourne and you could see and we could see they didn't believe us but we could see I had the weirdest thing when I was moving house where I had air tag found following moving with you and you could see the locations and it was my old flat,

my practice studio and here. And you could see the thing going so someone had fucking tagged my car and I never found the tag. Wow. And I just sold that car because I couldn't find a fucking tag. That's not why I sold it,

but I need to sell it anyway. Fair enough. But it was weird. I don't know if it was the movers because they saw all this shit and they wanted to see. That makes sense. It was fucking, yeah, weird.

Fuck. Okay. Very weird. Damn. So air tagging shit. Don't tag other people's shit. Yeah. That's it.

And don't know to Thornhill. Don't it to Thornhill. What is the after party? The after party? Oh, geez. So this is your dream. This is your dream. Oh, straight to the Burkine for the debut.

Doing that. sober. Yeah. You're going to see some shit. That's it. I just feel like I just need to harness life before I can do that, essentially. And I'd need to be the most comfortable I could be living real life to enter that building. I think I'm going to go.

I think I'm going to go next time we're in Berlin if it's kicking off. It's kind of quite essential, isn't it? Kind of like, I feel like I owe it to myself. You've earned a treat. Fuck, just a disgusting little time out. I think I would be fun. I couldn't do it's over though, so. Power to you.

It's an interesting vibe. I'll be fucked out my brains. I don't think I wrote that song when I was sober to, so I didn't really translate in time. So it was probably a real, a real primitive urge to kind of go to this venue prior, but I'm still fucking fascinated. What's the track after it?

Dominatrix is after it on that. Must have deal with Dominatrix. It is what it is, essentially. Basically, yeah, hornbag song. And you ever get? ever go to a dominant trick? No. Sometimes I'm like,

I'm a fucking psycho. But like, sometimes, I would say in my, let's see now we get right to the end, the real deep cuts, I would say, in my sexuality,

I am, for the most part, dominant, right? Mm-hmm. But when I'm, when I'm feeling, like, a piece of shit, there's a little bit of switching me

and I'm like, I want someone to just fucking punch me in the fucking face and then peg me back to the real world. Back to reality. It's very rare. It's when I'm right at the bottom and I'm like, I don't want to get me like this. Someone just treating me like how I feel. It's escapism and at the end of the day. Yeah, that's how it is.

Nice. That's basically the song. Yeah. Nice. A sense of escapism. Horny escapism. Mm-hmm. Um, by the fucking, I think we're done here.

Yeah. I've done the, I've done the festival. Yeah. After party's rap. We've finished the after party with the zombies. We plugged Chronic. Mm-hmm. Chronic.

The chronic version. The chronic. Which you can pick up, I guess. It'll be on UNFDs. I'll put it in the description on this. Mm-hmm. What you got coming up tour-wise? With God.

Don't say anything. Remember, this goes out on, I think, February, I think maybe Valentine's Day. so anything delicious we have anything post then that you can

Polaris 10 year anniversary tour in Australia 10 fucking years that band's been going for 10 years crazy and so have we how long have I been going You are all so new to me

I know It's bizarre isn't it Oh my God That is depressing No mate It's going to be the whole future All these bands It's going to take so much

longer to get off the ground It doesn't know Think about fucking all the other bands that come out of nowhere. Think about bad omens. Like, how long do you reckon they would have been to bend for? Three years. How long have been the band for?

It's not three. I think it's like reaching towards ten. Really? Potentially? I may be very wrong. No, I think you might be right. It just takes a bit longer to kind of... They are the biggest fucking band in the world.

Which is fucking crazy. I got a lot of respect for all these bands that get massive. I kind of love it. I love... again like I'm saying about me getting fucking old and being like I actually love to see younger people

I'm only 35 I'm on a fucking bono pills 35 there we go perfect and I'm like I see younger people getting really fucking like vehemently into a band and I'm like good for you good for the band and good for you

it's awesome to see I'm pulling up this I'm curious to know how long formed in 2015 so yeah eight years there you go performed by vocalist frontman

and producer no Sebastian I didn't know he did all that genius um straight up genius I've

I've talked with him I think I've said one word to him they're a man of zero words but I don't know if he was doing I don't know if he was doing that I'm a creepy

method acting vampire man or I don't know if he was saving his fucking voice because he's doing fucking weekend and screaming or I don't know if he maybe just didn't like me all of these are very real possibilities. So much guys. Yeah.

Yeah. So that Polaris tour is coming and then not fest after that, the first one in Australia. With bad omens as well, which would be a rise. Do you know what? I've said this on the podcast.

I've got offered to do some shit there, I guess, the press. For Australia? Yeah. but I'm on tour. I'm in a transit van. I'm on a fucking European transit van tour with bunks instead of going to Australia for free

to talk to people. That's rough. So annoying, I was really up for it. It would have been nice. I was... But you'll be back. I'll be honest if you're all debating,

just doing it anyway. And then we got off at Australia and I was like, okay. Okay, at least I'm going to Australia for free. That's it. All right, we've covered me getting pegged. We've covered that alopee show. We've covered bone appeals.

We've covered the Dream Festival. We've covered brain clots. I might, but I'll probably edit a little bit out for advertising reasons. So you'll just have to imagine what we talked about there. Yeah, thanks for coming. Thank you for having me. What's this ring? That's nice.

It's like some real stones yet going on there. That's fucking cool. Thanks for coming. Enjoy your showing Edinburgh. Thank you, mate. Check out Voidivision. Absolutely. Buy a vinyl because it helps all of us.

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