The Downbeat - Jake Smelley (Gideon, Zero 9:36)

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

My guest this week has the best, most calming voice of all time. Jake Smelley is the drummer for metalcore band Gideon and more recently he backs the singer/rapper/musician Zero 9:36. We talked about his love (and my hate) of country music, black magick, auditioning for one of the biggest music artists in the world...and much more.

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One of my mates that I made on tour, they were on our headliner. Groove is a groovesman, if I'm honest with you. The guy's got Unreal Groove. most episodes of the podcast where someone been lifting. We went for a lift, we went for a food, then we went for a pod. Dream day for me, if I'm honest with you. We talked about he auditioned for a massive, massive pop slash rap artist. He also plays the drums for zero, another rapper, plays the drums in Gideon. He was wearing snake skin boots throughout, so I do insist that you watch it on YouTube. I can't believe that I didn't mention them during the podcast.

It's Jake Smalley from Gideon on the Downbeat podcast. Jake Smalley. Yes, sir. Welcome to the Downbeat. Holy shit. What's up? Cheers. Let's have a little cheers.

If you're only listening to this, fuck you, this cost me a lot of money. But if you are only listening to this because you are blind or some other reason that's, you know, I'm very sorry, I will explain we are drinking. You've got a hard. Mount in dew.

It's due country, baby. And I've got a bud light. Let's go. Which is, you know, that is... I'll support it. I support it too. It's a topic of contention. And I feel like, you know, one of my things with the downbeat,

first of all we've had a lovely day. Have you had a lovely day? Lovely day. We'll go into our day. But one of my things with the downbeat is like, I've got a couple of sponsors. You know by now, guys. I've got this plate.

Look at these lovely disc plates. They're wonderful. they're mounted with magnets my bro wow therefore keeping my deposit for the Airbnb hopefully the one the one I don't have and all the podcasts have them a drink so what I've been doing

is I've just been drinking other companies all the companies on here eventually one will stick I want one to go can you just only drink this and I'll go yes give me 1,000 an episode. Nah, give me a thousand. For a drink that I don't have to be like,

and today's episode brought to you by Hard Mountain Dew, although I would fucking do that. Like, give me a grand a month. Easily. And then you're getting, you know, you didn't want to know the figure because it would give you stage fright. But, you know, it's good press for them.

I feel like, sorry, I moved away from the mic. I feel like I would drink anything for that amount of money. Human piss. One cup. As long as it's cold and wet. I mean, it's going to be wet. Comes out wet. At least cold.

I don't think I can do warm piss. Warm piss would be definitely rougher. You could, could you drink? So that's obviously two episodes a month, two hours long. Could you drink cold piss for four hours a month for 1,000 USD? I would buy a pontoon in five minutes of, yeah, I would. What's a pontoon? Pondoon.

boat it's like a it's like a back porch mixed with a boat so you can you can have parties on we had a chat about this because i was talking about airboats some of them have grills built into them you can fish you can drink you can piss you know what i've just realized and it's going to ruin my day but i can't let it ruin my week what is that someone is playing music right now in a different room really loud they were beatboxing earlier god fucking damn it this is one thing after another. They lost my fucking bags. We should just ask them to come in here. Come in here and shut the fuck up.

The noise gate, if you can't hear it, the noise gate did its thing. If you can hear it, just think of it as like lo-fi beats to relax slash study too in the background. Thanks for coming. Thank you for having me. This was born out of, you know, last night I was hanging out. You were here.

We were doing... I turned around. I was actually on my way to Alabama. I turned around to come see you. That's fucking awesome. And then we just hung out. We hung out exactly like this, but without any of the cameras, nothing was recording. And then we were like, we should probably just do this tomorrow.

I'm so thankful that you're having me on here. It means a lot. I'm so thankful that this is, I think, the only episode I'm doing it this time of night because they really, they really be singing next door. But, you know, we're here now. It's fine. If you can't hear it, then I'll stop talking about it because it's dead air. you were on your way to Alabama.

Yeah. Born and raised, Alabama. Yeah, Bibb County. It's somewhere for anybody that knows anything about Alabama. It's between Birmingham and Tuscaloosa. The population of the town I'm from is around 1,200 people. It might be boosted now. We might be up to 1,500.

That's so few people. It's one traffic light, but it's not even like a full traffic light. What the fuck did you just say one? traffic like. Yeah, but it's like the blinking yellow one. Like, hey, slow down y'all. Somebody might come through here, you know. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you mean one traffic? How many roads you got? Four max? You got two main, I say main. There are two lane highways, but there's a lot of back roads. And if you know the back roads, they're super fun to ride. Like when I get home from tour, I would just ride in complete silence and just go down these back roads and just, it's like meditating.

Wait, you said ride, like motorbike? No, no, no, just like... In a car. In the Ford. You can ride in a car? Yeah. You don't ride one? I guess I don't think I ride one back home.

I don't even think I'd ride a bus. You guys say I'm going to ride the bus. Maybe I said it wrong. No, you didn't. I think it's just very U.S. Compared to, like, we wouldn't say... Riding down back roads, driving down back roads. Right.

Yeah Alabama I don't know anything about Alabama I don't want to sound offensive But in my head Yeah It's especially you telling me There's one

There's one Traffic light In my head I've got You ever see the episode Of the turtles When they get on the like airboats And it's like a swamp

You love swamps I love swamps But like Is Alabama So I had Kubla Khan. Yeah. And I was asking them, they're you from swamp country. And they didn't really, there's some, but not really.

But it's Alabama like real swamp country. It can be in L.A., which is lower Alabama. I was going to say. It can be because there's parts of Alabama that actually reach all the way down there beside Florida. So there are some. There's even one kind of close to where I live. but it's more so like a dried-up pond that just looks like a swamp now because it's just shitty how big is this what the pond ponds are small to me yeah it's it's small so there's

areas where it gets real marshy and there's uh but nowhere really around me so it's uh i don't know but i love a good swamp i love louisiana are they swampy oh they're the swamp people Can you say swampy? Can you stay swamp people? It's a little derogatory. It's actually? Yeah. Like four people from the south.

Yeah, but they love it. So it's like the sea word in Australia. Yeah. What up, swampy? Yeah. What's up a swamp? You'd have to ask Randy Labov. He's from a, he's from real Swamp County.

Yeah, you have to ask him. This is now just a Swamp podcast for fans of Swamps. I've said the word Swamp so many times. No, it sounds fake. I think the only plus about Alabama is because there's, at least there's more going on in Birmingham now and stuff. And we got college football. Everybody loves either Alabama or Auburn. But I think because you grow up so minimalistic, I feel like it gives you an imagination.

So there's a lot of good music that comes from Alabama. Have you heard of Muscle Shoals? No. a lot of crazy history there with like a wreath of franklin um the stones i was like what is marceal charles it's a it's a city in alabama that has uh that's a cool fucking name yeah and there's apparently a lot of really good energy there for like uh people will go just to write because they say there's something magical about it whatever you want to think you know but i personally i've thought about making a trip there just just just

to write to see if it helps. But a lot of really good music comes from there. You know the song When a Man Loves a Woman? When I love a woman. Does it sound like I know it? What do you think, bro? Anyway, carry up. Yeah, there's a...

It just goes back. There's a lot of good music that comes from there. How far is that from you? About an hour and a half. Yeah, get down there. fucking, wait, what do you want to write there? Do you want to write, because you are if people don't know, primary

or soul lyricist of Gideon as well as hitting them tubs? I do I do as much as I possibly can, but... That guy next door is hooting, who in, he is hooting and a hollering. It sounds like, what's the band

that's saying, who let the dogs, the Baja boys? The Baja men. That's who's over there. That is the fucking the Baja film man. Now I need a Baja blast. We got Baha Blast. I know, I'll finish this one for us. I think, you know what the thing is, though?

There's only one of the Baha's left. You can have it. No, we're going to split it. Sip, Sips, it is the best fucking one. But no, they, we actually, there are certain songs where I'll be like, okay, I feel already that something's, I feel a connection here. I feel like there's, there's something in me that can come out in the same. song. But there's also songs where Caleb, Tyler, and all of us have the capability to do so.

I've been writing lyrics since I was before, way before I started playing drums. And so it's something that I feel like I just love to do it. At the end of the day, I would rather, I would rather spend all of my time writing lyrics than playing drums at all. Really? Now they're knocking. They're hooting, hollering and knocking, and I'm going to freak out. But at the same time, what did I fucking expect? Yeah, I write lyrics for Gideon, and I play drums for Gideon,

and I've been in that band since it's actually, it was the only band I had ever been in until right after the pandemic. And then I started, I just had the urge to only play music for a living. Because the pandemic taught me that that's what I want or nothing at all. So, yeah, I've been just trying to play as much music as possible with, I play with 0-936, and I played with a buddy of my name Drayton Farley. He's more Americana country stuff. What is the 9-36 in 0?

What does it mean? The time he was born. Kind of sick. It looks like a Bible verse. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. I thought it was like a stone cold 316. Yeah, I did two at first. What is the 316?

What does that mean? Is that a Bible verse? Yeah, I think that's a Bible verse. I thought he was just like, and he says like, and the Lord said, I'll kick your ass or something like that. No, he says, he said, because, what does he say? He says, Stone Cold said so. Right?

I guess it's his worst. Oh, I'll kick your ass. That's what it says. Yeah, something like that. Are you a Bibleman? Ex-bywoman? Dude. This is a rabbit hole, but I, uh, I definitely studied it a large part of my life for sure.

I know some things. Recreationally or growing up like, because in my head, the swamp with the airboats. Yeah, there's a Bible in there. There's, no, there is, there's a one church, one traffic light. and everyone's at the church. Yeah, so the first church I remember going to as a kid. So my dad was a, he was a rock and roller. I met my mom playing in clubs and stuff like that.

And they started going to church whenever I was maybe five or six, very young. I don't remember exactly when. But the first church we went to was actually very like, you've seen like the crazy fire and brimstone, like, type churches. Yeah. It was very much like that. Are they the ones where like people,

people need healing and they go up to the thing and they're shaking? So, okay, what's the fire and brimstone one? Basically. I lump them in in my head. Do you know, do you know about the Great Awakening? Like all the tent revivals and stuff like that? It hit me. People basically imagine a preacher sweating really like profusely.

I got it. And yelling that if you don't repent, you're going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity. How long is it set? Like, no, I'm serious. How long is you doing that for? Probably hour to two hours. Holy shit, that must be draining for him as well as you.

Yes, and in that church, actually the only music allowed to be played in it was either from piano or guitar. Only stringed or instruments. With drums of the devil. The devil. That's the devil's music, boy? My Boston. Can I do that? Can I do a Southern accent?

Oh, you're perfect. I mean, I know I'm great at it, but I mean, is he going to offend people? Oh. The disclaimer is it's a white southern person. So I'm allowed to do it or not? I'll give you a, I'll give you the pass. You can give me a pass? Hell yeah, brother.

Wait, that was more Texas. I'm sorry. That was, sorry, that was more an absolutely perfect Texas accent. I don't even know what my accent is anymore, because I go on the road and people say like, You got that sweet draw, boy. They say I sound country, but then I go home and my dad's like, you forget where you come from, boy. So, uh, well, I get that because I talk to so many Americans. Yeah.

My accent, especially when I'm talking to Americans, has a little, it's super softened. Oh. You might not even hear it, but it is definitely softer than when I speak back home. When I'm back home, I'm, oh, mate, hey, then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, boy, let's go. That blows my mind. But then it goes, but now I live in fucking Scotland, where everyone is Scottish.

No, Scottish have crazy slang as well. Oh, big time. You want to learn some? What do you know? I know some Philly slang. I learned that recently. John? John.

Mitt. What's Mitt? A face. Right? Crazy. Okay. So in Scotland, a, like your head, I believe it might be your face as well, is your, coupon right but it's it's spelled like coupon yeah like you're like a discount head yeah but it just

means your face you got um discount head let me try and think of my some of my favorites because i live i live my girlfriend's Scottish my parents are Scottish but they don't live there but I moved up there so that's some fucking Freud shit like I love Scotland it's definitely because when I would come home from tour living in England even though my parents also lived there didn't feel like home or coming home or playing shows in england didn't feel like home because home to me is Scottish accents you felt the call of the while pulling you back yeah which is so weird and I just fucking love it like I could be having a terrible day and I'll go to the fucking shop buy something and I'll hear some like little woman who sounds a bit like my mom

talking a bit like my mom and I'm just like home it's like a blanket but I'm like 400 miles away for my actual mom. What's she up to? I don't much. You need to call her. Yeah, I do. Give her a call. I do.

Thank you. That's that sweet Southern charm, boy. We all need to call her moms, man. How often do you call me mom? This is actually on my list to call my mom more. Yeah. It's something, I don't know.

Sometimes I'm on tour. You know how it is. Like you get, you get going. You're hanging with the boys. I struggle with it more when I'm gone. but as soon as I see mama pop up,

I try to answer it. Oh, I'm never turning down a call for my mom. But I definitely need to be more like, my problem is I fucking complain a lot. Me too. And I don't want to be like, especially to my mom and just to complain.

Yeah, especially to mom. It's easy to just be like, I'm okay, but you know, it can be better. This is happening. This is happening,

blah, blah, blah. And then also like, I don't know. I'm so busy. not too busy to call, but like, you're a busy man. I don't like talking about myself constantly, but then in my head,

I'm like, my mom wants to know. But they also watch the podcast, they're pretty fucking up to date. They probably watch more episodes than anyone else. That's sweet. My parents are probably going to watch this as well. We'll see. Okay, well, you don't say anything insane

and I'll say all the insane shit. How do they fit? So if they were, I'm assuming, big church people, Yeah, I think my mom really loves, she loves the community in church. So we left that church and ended up going to like a more contemporary church, which is actually where I found the drums. Or they found me honestly.

But my mom loved the community there and she kept nursery a lot. She loved all the babies and stuff like that. So I think I think she misses it. Me and my dad have this similar. So wait, they've stopped going. Yeah. And I partially blame myself for that. What happened, bro?

The rock? Was it the rock? The devil's rock? It was the devil's music. Drawing your way from that sweet, sweet embrace of God. Yeah. Yeah. I basically, the way I think my dad and I both look at it is like, man is so, we're shitty.

So why, if there's a god. and you're supposed to have a relationship with this all-knowing being, then why would a man need to have anything to do with that? So when I basically decided to stop going and that I needed to go on like a journey to find myself and figure out what I actually believe or is this all indoctrinated into me, and I only believe this because I've been told to. I think I've come to the conclusion that I don't want church or like some racist asshole from the South telling me like, you know, this is how it's done. And it's been really healthy for me, I think, because I definitely, I'm still in the mode of after stepping away from it.

I can say as a 31 year old that I definitely like. I thought you were 32. I'm 31. I'll be 32 in September. You lied to me, right? No. To make myself feel younger. I asked you earlier and you said 32.

That's pretty close. 31. No, you said 32 earlier and I was like, I am I will be this year. So. You didn't correct me. Classic. You're speeding me out. Same as lying.

Anyway. It's a white liar. So what? Do you believe in God? Yeah. As a entity? Or just a higher power or what? What's your deal?

Because I've got, I used to be super atheist my whole life. Now I've seen some shit, man. Yeah. But I'm like, this, there is something outside of this. That's where I'm at with it. But I don't know what the fuck it is. It could be wearing a fucking video game. There's someone made, but that would technically fall under God because that would mean.

They created us. Everything is, if not predetermined, was at one point determined. And now just like... And you know, that's actually like in the book is that we were predestined and all this stuff. But that's... Dude, it's such a... I don't know if you want to go down that rabbit level. But I will say that I'm like...

Of course I want to go down the rabbit home. I'm a spiritual person. I believe in energy and actually, I feel like if you're a musician, or actually anybody chasing a dream, I feel like you have faith. You just don't realize that yet. There is. Like you're,

there's nothing there and you're, you have this thought or this dream of like what you want to do, but it's not there and you, you put it into fruition, you know what I mean? Or at least try like hell to. But I definitely have faith. And I'm learning like that it,

it has a way deeper meaning than what, uh, than what just church. has to do with it. It has to do with everything, I think. And you know that through like the, we're talking about the, you know, magical prowess. Like being able to visualize something and believe something that isn't there in fronting you, you can't touch it. We could, we dive a little bit deeper onto how we got into that, because we were talking about it, because you wanted to know because I talked about it before.

Oh, I'm super fascinated by that stuff. About my practice of magic. Yeah. With a K. And then you told me about a book that you were listening to, which was just about success. Yeah. How to Think and Grow Rich. And nothing to do with magic, but everything in that book is Black Magic.

They've just, like, you were telling me and I was like, this is everything I did. And you were telling me. And now in my. head I'm like either this thing which is you know without going too deep if you want to go if you want to go deep on it do some googling but I mean for the listener but like either two separate sources of people or multiple separate sources of people that realize this willing the universe to bend to your will like willing things to happen actually works yeah and And they thought, and they figured it out independently. And, you know, this person calls it. What was, what's it called the book? How to Think and Grow Rich.

Yeah, this person calls it that. Some people call it like. Napoleon Hill, I believe. Some people call it like positive mental attitude. Other people call it black magic. Even all these things, these people realized it worked. And then now they're trying to teach it. Or they all know it's black magic.

And it's a mass for it. Yeah. And they're like, I can't sell black magic to people. I'm going to lose the fucking, going to lose all the got people. dude i was doing the uh like manifestation meditation before i would go to sleep exactly the same dude i felt creepy some nights and i felt so bad for my girlfriend beverly because she would she would be like trying to sleep and i would be like i would have the phone

like just sitting by my head and he's like i want you to smell what's around you i want you to feel it i want you to believe everything and just every everything you want to happen you have have to really believe it. And it's just getting it into your subconscious. But dude, there were nights where I was like, what door am I opening right now? Because I started seeing things happening and I'm like, what is this though? Yeah. And it's the same with the two that I practice, I talked about on the podcast before,

sigil magic and sex magic. Yeah, the Crowley stuff. The same thing, the manifestation, the willing it. like the equivalent in your parents are going to be so annoyed that you're talking to me now because I sound evil I don't do anything evil with it my dad listens to zeppelin and all that stuff so he sigils all over the place so like your one was the manifestation meditation which is that's where I kind of started with it which is repeating what you want really thinking it really believing in it and sigil magic is exactly the same except you are drawing

your manifestation and for me that makes me really think and believe it while I'm doing it and I'm like creating the sigil and I'll every stroke of the pen or even when I'm doing it with a finger I do it a fucking ketchup on if I'm making a baking sandwich you bet your ass I'm making a sigil when I'm thinking about

manifesting stuff when I'm doing it ever since you told me this last night I can't get it out of my head you know what I thought it was so cool we could do a I could give a small lesson here if anyone wants to know how to do it it's not a big secret I think

I think it's cool I've always been like a very curious kid you know what I mean but I think that I think it comes down I think this is what it comes down to is like if you believe in hating something

it's like the rain and the sun like you if there's one there's you know you got the other uh dark and light and all that stuff i feel like there's love and then there's like hate and i definitely feel like uh those are real things um and so i think it comes down to like what what is uh pushing this you know what i mean and it can be like a evil thing or it can be something that like because one of the things in the book is like Also, you need to think about like how you're going once you have in possession, like whether it be money or whatever you're after, how are you going to give it back? And I think that might be something a little brighter. So in magic, there is something called the threefold rule, which is if you do anything malevolent with the magic.

So if your manifestation is negative on anyone else, the energy that you give that, you will get back three times. It's a karma. Exactly. But like, I've seen it and I've had friends who also practice magic, seen it. I've done it and I've seen the other side of it where I've been like, it's not been like super malicious, but, you know, there's some revenge. and I've manifested something that I wanted to happen to someone to someone else did it once and my life fucking fell apart immediately and three things happened to me like afterwards it was fucking insane so did they came in three yeah and I was just like and that's the why is that a thing

that's the thing as well isn't it bad luck comes in three and everybody knows it and everyone knows it but no one ever goes like is this like like the laws of nature is there just extra laws that haven't been scientifically tested. You think about like gravity or something, every action in science has an equal and opposite reaction. Yes. Why can't that exist for like emotions and feelings and energy that you put out against other people? I think it has to.

At least that's what we've witnessed happened, you know. What started? It's got so deep. Whose podcast is it? Sorry, go ahead. Well, when did you get started in that? If I could, if I might. On your podcast.

Yeah, on my podcast. This is the downbeat. This is the downbeat. This is the upbeat with, uh, this is the backbeat. This is the Jake's, Jake, Jake, Jake Smell is backbeat. That was a good voice. That was me, by the way.

That was not. If you're just, if you're just listening to this, that was, that was me and it was not, Jake. Um, I know it sounded exactly like him. Um, always. had an interest in the like a cult or like stuff that was that was happening but never talked about and then I had a couple of friends who told me and a couple of like bands that I got into and I was like wait what are you talking about and then I went down I went down the Crowley

rabbit hole but like historically he was was kind of a piece of shit. But. Oh, dude, like the, where the animals are involved and stuff? Even just like the way he treated other people, but like... He was known as like the most evil man of his time. Yeah, but he definitely wasn't. Pretty sure he's alive at the same time as many dictators.

But it was like that, like, satanic panic and stuff like that just fully gets my attention. And then when you read into it and it's like, it's not... Satan worshipers is not a thing. Yeah, you've got like, more about self, right? Yeah, you've got like Wiccans and you have magic and you have, you know, Satanists. So Crowley is about Will and, you know, there is, you know, he talks about celestial beings and stuff being part of it. But it's not like, you know, I'm trying to get a demon to kill a bunch of. people. I'm sure a lot of the stories told about Crowley, I'm sure, you know how things go.

Like once they make it down the line, like, you whisper something in somebody's ear. And when it gets to the other end, it's something else. I'm sure something like that happened. But I heard Jimmy Page bought that dude's castle. Yeah, see all of that. Like, why were they so interested? All that shit is super interesting to me. Right. So I'm that way, because of Led Zeppelin, I checked out Crowley and everything. but also they made me go down the blues rabbit hole and i found robert johnson the dude that sold to the devil at the crossroads and everything and i was this like they flew from

they're from the uk right definitely yeah so they flew all the way to mississippi to this dude's like childhood home just to write songs there i met jimmy page works shut up and by met i mean i was in the same bar as him i was too scared to say but he that counts he was he was with a lady. I don't know if it was a daughter or his girlfriend, but she was young. But he, I think even, so it could have been as his girl because I think that's a, that was a thing with him where he. We need a Jamie to pull that up. Listen, I, look, I'm not going to get in the way of love as long as it's legal.

Right. But let's go. Let's find out. I love the way that when you Google Jimmy Page girlfriend, it comes up 2023. Whoa. What's the age difference? Who. Oh, Lord.

There's a daddy page. Oh, Father Page. Father John Page. It is, right, what's your rule on this? Now we're getting to toxic bro podcast. Not that you have one. I know you have a girlfriend. But like, in terms of, so the rule that I've always heard.

And then when I apply it, I'm like, I guess it kind of makes sense. So not, I'm not saying, I'm not condoning this. But the rule where it is not creepy is, I think it's half your age plus seven comes out as not creepy. I'm terrible at math. So what does that mean? Let's say if you were 32, that's 16 plus set as 23. Okay. Now, I feel like when you're at these relatively young ages, to be honest with you, it's a little bit twisted because some people aren't like mature until like 24.

But let's take it from an old man. He is 70. He's 77. So that's pretend he's 78 because my math sucks as well. You always round up. So he's 78. Half of 78 is 30. Nice.

Yeah, your math is way better than mine. It's 39. Jesus, I've got B in math as well. Is that half of, so it's 39. I think. I know nine and nine. It is 39. Yeah, yeah.

You got it. You got it. So it's 39. Plus seven would be 46. Yeah. Right. And he's 77. So that wouldn't be that creepy.

Right. But she's 20. What? She's 32. Ah. So that's half his age. Minus. five.

See, I'm, I think where my mind goes in this is like, I don't want to dole them because they're probably in love. He is rich. But they're probably enough. He got riffs too, though. He,

does he still have riffs? Yeah, bro. Is he still busting out riffs? Got to be. Bro, got to be with a little violin, bow. Yeah, I thought he was doing something else then.

32 is though that she's old enough. Like, I, 32, that's her decision. It's not like, probably if she was in her 20s, that's rough. Well, think about this. When Jimmy Page was 32.

Go on. Are you going to cancel it? How old was she? It was none. She was none. She was none. I know she was five. See, that's right.

No, she wasn't. She was minus five. Negative five. I know that she's not negative five anymore. but that's kind of where my mind goes. Impossible to be. Yeah, but I feel like 32 she could bring her own decisions. Who am I to say?

However. I can't tell her. If I was 32, I would. Pacino. Have you done, have you seen this? Have you heard about this? No. Again, I'm not dogging on these, these old couples because you know there are some people like a daddy.

Yeah. It's the thing. And Pacino as well. because this came up with my girlfriend and I was like, do you know what age? Is he still going? Bro, he had a kid

like last month. That's some Theo Vine shit. He, okay. He had a kid. He is 83 years old. He had a kid in June. Hmm.

So that shit's still working. How? I mean, I mean, Puccino. it might just be in the gene. In the Ginos. In the Gino's.

In the Gino's. Again, I don't want people to come for me. She's 29. He's 83. But it's Al Pacino, though. Right. It's not delivery.

Pacino. It's Pacino. Because, like, watching the Pacino, I haven't seen a Pacino film recently, but, like, I can see the appeal. Even when Pacino was, like, 60. Hot. Hot and like carrying a gun for sure hot carrying a gun just fucking

cigarette just just a bad ass so I can see having a kid 83 though like that kid Realistically now I'm not wishing anything is not gonna know his dad 83 is like when you're 83 you you can be flicked over Right. How's it even, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, he's definitely on the Bluetooth. This episode is not brought to you by Bluetooth, but guess what? I would take it. You would? I've been taking bonapills.

I almost took one before we went to the gym and I got too scared. I don't think I can do it. I've been, disclaimer, in case Bluetooth does end up sponsoring the podcast, I've been taking bono pills for prostate health. And pumps at the gym. Right. Mainly for prostate health. I've got like a fucking man dad of prostate cancer.

I'm doing everything that the technology. There's an even slightest bit of research whether like this could benefit. I'm like, I'm 30. I'm going to nip this in the fucking bud right now. I respect that too. We had we had that taught. I would try it. I'd just like, it doesn't give you a bonus though.

It allows more. You know what a pump's up? in a fucking pre-workout is and they're always like nitric oxide boosting all that shit that's what it is that's what it is so it's like when you get a boner this is like a man episode when you get a boner i love how you say boner do let me tell me about the boners on these things they could cut Pacino's next wedding cake no they're fucking rock solid drillers which was just decided about i was taking it for prostate health and like because someone said like you take a small it's not you take the full dose that like an older dude would take to get a boner you take a small

like a micro dose every day and it's supposed to be good for your prostate but it do be giving you those bonuses you don't get the bono but when you do get a bono it's like but what if what if you what if you what if you what if you get them easily and then you're just in the elevator you're getting rocks. It gets packed in there. There's five people before you know it. There's a kid in there. Touches. You know, but this is the thing. He's like, I want to push the button. It's what floor is it, mom? And then all of a sudden, you're in trouble. No, because you needed to have found that sexy to have the bowler. Do you don't get random boners? You didn't as a kid. You don't You don't remember that as a kid.

No, I get that. I get random bonus. The NRBs. Yeah, I get them. But my point is you were getting it anyway. This was just going to supercharge it. Gotcha. It's not going to make you attracted to kids.

It's just a tune up. Just a tune up, yeah. It's rerouting some nitric oxide. Nogh. Nitrous. Nightrous oxide. Anyway, enough about my bono pills and my sex magic. You was wrapping them out in there, though, bro.

I was like I should have took the blue chew That's the fucking bonnet button And you next one What I got a fucking sweet pump out of it Come on I don't think there's any other benefits Oh lowers your blood pressure as well It's fucking great

Miracle drug I do have high of blood pressure Oh my good God Yeah You need to get on that shit 31 brother Blood pressure is cheating I'm also trying to

I wish I needed it for an actual boner Because then I could be like a lower the stigma Bona guy And I said this to you earlier I didn't think I thought my owners were adequate. They were getting the job done. And then now they're like, now they're fucking a lethal weapon. Yeah, an Olympian.

Yeah. Baby. My little monster truck in your jeans. Bainy? Yeah. Got a fucking, a slight angle on my owner. A little Arnold Schwarzenegger in there. No, yeah.

Not crazy. Yeah. I like smashed it once. This is toxic male podcast. But I'm drinking the mug Bud Light and they wouldn't do that. So you ever try to like break any? Never mind dude. Let's get off something.

Try to break. What? Push it. No. Like I don't know. Like you finish one of them bud lights and you're just like, let's see if I can break something with it. No, because I had a penis injury before from. You broke it?

From sexing. I did something to it. And it was not right for like. You sprained its ankle? basically yeah I did something I banged it and it was

fucking not right for a while it didn't look weird it was just fucking hurt I was like something is going wrong here I just waited out tennis elbow I waited it out came out all right

got a little fucking croaking it now but nothing crazy hey cheers to that brother thank you brother actually talk about music yeah the magic and bonus the thing is though that's

no one of likes the fucking music chat. Yeah. Like 10% of the people go, oh, I learned something. Other people are like, I laugh my ass off at the bone a bit, hopefully. Right. And then I went immediately to buy some bonuses. Ain't no triplets.

Oh, bro, I love those. I've been doing this for five years now. I've had every music conversation that can happen. Yeah, and I'm... Other than you... Can we talk about your audition that you got? You want to talk about it or not? I will. Just edit out.

Yeah. So I was in Daytona. It was about midnight and I get a call for my friend. He said, you have 48 hours. And that's all he said at first. I was just like, to what? And he said, you need to learn three songs in 48 hours. And I said, let me stop you right there.

I'm on the road. And I've never been that guy. I'm not saying I can't be that guy, but I've never been that guy that's like, let me learn something like today and then go just like try to nail it. Had you told you the artist by this point? No. He wouldn't tell me at first and then eventually he just kept telling me that it was important. And then he told me it was for post-Malon and...

Ooh, cholerine! Dream gig. Dream gig. For fucking all of us. Dream gig. G-wagon, G-wagon. G-wagon, G-wagon. All the housewife's pulling up.

But yeah, it's a dream gig for me. And the dude likes, he likes heavy music, he likes 90s country. When was this? When I auditioned? Yeah. It must have been, I think it was May. So, yeah, it was this year. Yeah, because I saw there's, there's a guy playing for him now, and I was like, who's this?

I think his name is also like the Italian version of my name Jakardo Oh I don't know I made that up Oh I thought it was like

Yaakov And probably I don't know He's he's probably great He's gonna beat my ass when he hears this He's probably great But I saw it and I was like You could have anyone Like I don't

He's like a great You know great drama But it was like an Italian guy I was like, that's a weird choice. Yeah, like what made you fly this dude out from Italy. Maybe he's the best fucking dude on earth. Could be sweetheart. It probably is that.

And obviously he's a fucking treader as you wouldn't have got the fucking geek. I did hear that they like whenever I sent it in, I'd had to do it during sound check, by the way. So we had to. But you drop, I'd drop fucking everything. I'd quit a tour to do that audition. Right. I got to go home for a fucking day. We were on tour with a bullet for my Valentine.

And they're, uh, my tears don't fall. They crash around me. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, and that's me getting a fucking copyright strike because that was perfect. Crash around me. Crash around me.

Anyway, you were on tour with. Crash around me. They were super nice, though. And, yeah, he was just like, do whatever you got to do. this other band you know they might get irritated but he was like I believe in you and I want you to get in here and I want you to smash this shit

so I felt like I had everybody on like everybody on my back I think if I'm the type of person I think I would have like crumbled under the pressure but I had like my friends around me just being like dude you just have you have to do it so all of Gideon were like bro do it

yeah I mean it's part It's fucking post-win-un-un. Zero was like, yeah, you got to. Stray would be like, okay. Yeah, but yeah, learn the songs. I wish I would have picked some different songs. Were you pick rock stuff?

No, I kind of wish I would have. You'd be fucked up there. Yeah. I did chemical. I did cooped up, and I did morning. I had to pick Coop's up because the return of the Mac beat.

It's fucking sick. Yeah, but you should have Rockstar. Should have. I think I'm still gonna. But I was also trying to think of like what's something I could. I wanted to send new songs because that's why he's going to be torn off of. But he's never not going to play rock star as a thing.

I get your reason for maybe thinking not because you also don't work. That's like his biggest fucking song. And everybody's going to send him rock star. And and he might go. I mean, this guy doesn't always picked the most obvious fucking song. Right. However, you should have picked it. Should have been in there.

But dude, I remember, so first of all, he covered, like, Sturgle Simpson and Brad Paisley. And I've seen videos of him singing, like, John Michael Montgomery with, uh, I don't know a single word you just said. Really? You don't know Sturgyle Simpson. Does he live on a swamp? Maybe. Maybe he does. Great artists, great lyricists.

Listen to Turtles all the way down. Is this country music? Yes, but Turtles all the way down is literally a site. psychedelic country song about what does that even sound like dude it sounds like uh it sounds like i feel like my life honestly so i i relate to it but he says uh basically how he's he's met god in this way in this way and this way but every time like he opens the bible he's just reminded by some pain caused by some man in the sky. But then he says marijuana, LSD, psilocybe, and D&T,

they all change the way I see that loves the only thing that's ever saved my life. This is country music. I wrote country music was like, if you don't like my flag, y'all gonna get back out my country. That is the country music that, unless it's like, unless I'm coming back from Canada and I'm playing Toby, Toby Keith.

See, I know Toby Keith. We'll put a boot in your ass. See, that's the only country music I know. Okay, yeah. There's... I want to talk about me. I want to talk about... I want to talk about number one.

Do you know why I know that song? We played it 400 times in a row on four separate drives. I like talking about you, you usually. That's fantastic. You know what I mean?

Through this mic as well. Anyway, carry on. Sorry. There's some great country music out there. My favorite country music are the like the storytellers, the one that are like Michael, okay, John Michael Montgomery. We're still on the post-alone story though. Okay. Anyways, I feel like.

You saw him cover all these guys. Yes. And I was like, this is a dude. He gets it. That, yeah, a lot of my friends, like coming up in the scene and everything, nobody listened to that kind of stuff. And I felt like I was kind of in the closet, like a closet country lover for a long time. I remember Tom

Dude I remember the first straight tour we did And Tom came up and I didn't understand New York humor at all And Tom comes up to the one and he goes Hey y'all Are y'all ready for the tour? And I was like oh shit They really think we're stupid

That's why I'm like Am I being offensive? No no no It's the same way people got it Hello mate to me Right And I'm like I think it's funny as fuck No but as like a 19

20 year old kid One traffic like town. Yeah, I was like, bro, I don't know if I'm, is this where I'm supposed to be? Like, is this okay? So it's cool. What I'm trying to say is like, all I'm trying to say is I feel like, I like, I like, I like, I like what he stands for.

He's very positive dude. Yeah, I want to be best friends with him. Yeah, I want to hug him, dude. I got, I never met him. Because there's that video of him, Ryan Garris, singing Damien. Yeah. And so sick.

So me and him had a back and forth on Stray's Twitter. And on my Twitter for a while. And then he came to, we played Reading Festival together, gave him a bunch of merch. My ex, me and her were having like a whole thing. And I had to leave the festival. And the rest of the boys were just in, like,

they hung out with him for the whole day. And like, I got, like, a passing hello, small interaction. And they literally played beer pong with him in the compound for. So you just, like, dapped him up and dipped? I didn't even, I dapped it up on the internet. And then brief hello. Here's the thing. Graph it.

Here's the thing. Got it. Life isn't, it doesn't have to be that hard. It doesn't have to be that hard. I heard this Uber driver tell me one time. He said, I heard this, I was listening to this podcast where this lady, I think he said talk show. I think it was like an actual radio station. But it was this lady saying, I want to make, I want to make his dick harder than his life.

Bode pills. Sorry, carry on. I want to make his dick harder than his life. Wow. Okay. Mom, close your ears real quick. Dad, you get it. And he said, and she said, and I want him to make my pussy wearer than my cheeks, like talking about tears.

That's such a fucking awesome sentence. When I heard it, I was like, I just make sense. But, dude, imagine if that's what life was like. That's fucking insane. You would have hung out with post, brother. But I'm sorry. That actually bums me out for you. But also, cheers, brother, because...

Cheers. I mean, you obviously didn't get it because you're here. I'm just... You didn't get the gig. Or you don't know that you didn't get the gig. The Italian guy's still playing for him, so... Right. Which makes me think, was he playing for him then?

Wait, maybe we can't even fucking talk about it. Maybe he's trying to kick that guy out. Maybe. The last... Well, the last I heard was that... Wait, are we gonna... I don't know. I don't know if I can say any of this, but I'll say it.

The less I heard is that he had a friend, so I think they're really good friends. He had a friend that he had already confirmed for his upcoming tour, which he's on. Oh, so this is pre-Italian guy. Yeah. Because that Italian guy's new. I hope he's Italian, but I'm just calling him Italian guy. They said he's bringing his friend on this next tour, but he switches musicians out a lot. He saw the videos.

He says that you guys have mutual friends. from Warp to and stuff and that I'm in the loop so God, imagine if you get that.

I'm trying to manifest it. It's, I'm going to be 100% trying was the wrong word user. I am manifesting. I'm going to be 100% honest with you.

I really want it. Oh, but I don't have I think I would have had a phone call if I was in the running whatsoever because he still follows me on Twitter. It would have been a thing.

So maybe, maybe I was, maybe you manifested at first. You fit better. I don't understand. You said that earlier. I don't understand what you mean. You just listed a bunch of fucking random ass names I've never heard before that he's covered that you also know. I don't do that. But you think our Italian friend, I mean, maybe, but I don't think he cares what, what you listen to. That's just the shit.

Don't, because I'll try and steal this gig. Well, you would have it way before me. But, no, I think you fit. Look at that fucking hat, beard. My beard's still coming through and I'm old as fuck. It's looking good. That is cut, like, from the right hand side, which you probably can't see,

if you're listening to this, you definitely can't see it. You could hear it. But like, from the right hand side is coming in. That right hand side is a beard. Left hand side is more of like a Leonardo de Cap. proprio be you know the one where it's like shitty but it's calming get hit by the iceberg that shit's coming dude it's the bone of you try to shaving it a bunch shave it let it grow out shave it let it grow out maybe some castor oil I hate the way I look show it's coming through I've got an app

for it it it's helping like a my fitness app it's like my fitness pal it's like it's my fitness pal my fitness uh my fitness uh insulin needle Have you ever Have you ever done like a Vaping on the podcast I'm sorry I coughed because the US vapes are fucking insane They hitting you

It's so bad Is that like mango peach? I'll tell you what this is right now It's strawberry Strawberry Strawberry How would you say strawberry? Strawberry

Strawberry Strawberry The R's turned to Here Strawberry Strawberry Strawberry peanut coli

am I saying that right colada pinia colada pinia pinia pinia calada americans are crazy like this right

you will pronounce words that are a complete foreign word sometimes you will pronounce it in the most American way on purpose

like croissant or like a like a grassy ass yeah that okay

edit that out for sure. No, you didn't fucking, no. But Americans, Americans, but sometimes you'll drop a pinia calada. What would you say it? Pina. Pina cladda. Oh, dude. And also like guillotine.

But doesn't, Americans go like guillotine, like a fucking French person. Yeah. But you'll say croissant. But doesn't the in and pinia collada, doesn't it, isn't it like a n? I mean, probably. bina yeah my beef is like

Americans either say everything in its native tongue or nothing I like to go for the nothing route I can roll a R like what Scottish people roll their eyes like crazy

Scottish the Scottish are they're brave they're brave hearts bro and they fucking hate English people because of brave heart really because of the true story behind me. But they fucking hate me.

Scottish people hate me immediately and then I start talking to them and then they always go, oh, you're all right for an English person. And then I explain both my parents are Scottish and I go, that's what it is. You're a Scottish person with an English voice. Welcome back home, son. In that accent.

Yeah. Welcome back to Scotland, boy. If you don't like it, you can get the hell out. What, I was about to say something from like a bumper sticker, but I couldn't even make something up quick enough in time. I stand from my flag, my, my babies and my dogs, my truck. Okay. And my right to bear arms. Don't tread on me, son.

Don't tread on me except the government can slightly tread on me. Yeah. Anyway, that's actually now getting into offensive territory. I'm sorry. No, I love, I love where I'm from, man. For a long time, I think that I I had convinced myself because there were so many stereotypes about the South that I should, I had convinced myself like, oh, I'm actually ashamed to be where I'm from. But especially being a musician, I think all good music comes from, most good music comes from pain. And I found ways to embrace it, but not like necessarily take on like all of the ideals of, you know, everything that happened. You got some shady shit. Yeah.

Some shady past. But it's up to like the new like generation of Southerners to change that or not not change it but treat people better and like act with love and treat everybody equally. And there's there's still a lot of old just old hate that's stuck in people and that get passed down generation to generation. Literally the last podcast I did about five hours ago with Tom we talked about exactly about this. Oh really? not that we can't talk about it but it's just funny because because i'm in america now i feel like i'm putting like let's talk about america a bit yeah yeah things like a fucking you know it's a

regional fucking thing uh um and i don't think about in my head i just think oh the young people will figure this out but you forget that you got the you got some old shitheads that then teach their kids to be young shitheads and then they teach their yeah shit babies to be shithead babies. Some people need to be slapped open-handedly. Boom. Guys, I know what you're thinking. You're looking well on this podcast. You're in Nashville, but you're glowing, Craig. Well, I want to talk about foundational nutrition. If you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you will now have been taking AG1 for about six months. In that time, I've pretty much got rid of all of my biohacking, supplements, vitamins,

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Are you a gunman? I think they're, I think they're real fun. That's the issue, isn't it? They're so much fun. They are fun and like it or not, they've been made really cool by movies and by video games. So my thing with guns. But they do kill people. Damn, is that double base or?

No, that was either. slaughter to prevail or like an AR 15 on fucking on the triple little burst um i think that uh i think that the problem of guns are they exist and you can't see and you can't take it back now right because if you make a law against guns it would be fucking way worse because all there's people out there that could give two shits about the law I mean, we're kind of sitting here. Neither one of us really care that much about the law, you know? I'm breaking those things, brother.

All of them. I'm breaking everything. It doesn't involve hurting someone. I'm breaking it. Right. I think that's like the thing. But I don't know. This is such a-

Shoplifting? How are you? A little bit. You're going to end up not being able to tour, but. They're not crazy shoplifting. I'm not, this is a joke. No, like if I'm at a self-checkout, you got self-checkouts here? Yeah.

I need to be paid for my labor. They took, they took a job away from someone. They took a job away from someone and gave it to a robot. And then who kept the profits? They did. And they put the prices up. Yet I'm packing my own fucking bags. Mm-mm.

Uh-uh. those lines are going through his onions that's it i'm not i'm not like fucking choplifting things i'm like oh oops i pressed the button wrong yeah never been caught no that's that's fine never been fucking caught pay your workers better and i'll stop stealing it's always limes it's only limes they're so expensive they're so expensive in the uk How much a single lime cost? How much a single lime cost? Bro.

I'm a lime stealer, bro. I don't remember the last time I purchased a lime. Yeah, because you're stealing them. Because they're so expensive. Everything is, dude. You can't walk out of the house without spending $100. Lines growing trees in Alabama. What do your trees grow?

Pecanes. Um, a nut. Yeah. Do you? Is that growing a trifle nuts grew underground? No. I'm so dumb. Now, we got pecans.

We got all kinds of trees. We got peach trees. Peach? Peaches. That I really don't see in the wild. Say it. I get my weed from California. That's my age.

Dude. Wait, wait, wait, no. I'm trying to find out the price of a line. Guns are sick, though. I'll say it. They're sick, but they kill. It's the people that suck. They kill so many people.

No, people. But you can't, you can't go back on it, though. That's the issue. There's no, I have this conversation because I got loads of really, really lefty people. And I'm really fucking lefty pretty much. But also, I know where you're never going to change it. If you pass the blanket law that, like, if you did it now, the UK did it when someone shot up a school. We passed the law immediately because it was like the first time it really had maybe happened like a fucking handful of times.

And we went, okay, there's nip this in the bud. But now. here you've had guns so long as part of your culture it's really sad though like i see like especially from y'all's perspective like i can't imagine uh i remember talking to uh one of the guys from asking and they lived over here for a while but he was like i'm about to move back because i just got some kind of notification uh that at my my child's school they're going to have some kind of drill for like uh you know that's crazy and so he's like i can't do it. that. So we got to move back home. And it's very, it's very out of hand. I think in, I don't know,

well, I googled Limes. We'll come back to asking Alexandria because I have a funny story that happened to me with asking Alexandria last month. When you Google Limes, the second suggested search, why are Limes so expensive 2023? No way. How much? Or is it very, very, very, The last year 200 limes could be purchased from distributors for about 15 bucks. The same box in 2023 is between 80 to 130. Oh my God. Why? And this is the question.

Why has the citrus fruit risen so sharply? Limes each Walmart, 33 cents. That's cheaper than back home. We're rocking like a 50p, which is like 60 cents. A lime? I need three for a margarita. You need three to juggle as well? Exactly.

And I'm juggling before I have the margarita. I'm not trying to spend three pounds on limes. Onions, however, by the weight. Three limes. That's a light onion. That is a fucking one light onion. I'm getting three limes for like 10 cents. You know what I learned about stealing?

What from big companies like Walmart just like these things in general shouldn't I said that there's uh I know I think this is all the joke and I made it all up but they have to do the stock check and they have to pay as if they sold the item if anything is low they have to pay the distributors if they sold the item so the big bad business is the only thing that gets hurt by the stealing. This is now a pro stealing podcast. I wonder if this will be. And maybe it's,

maybe that's karma, you know. It fucking, it certainly is. Anyway, that was a joke and it's really funny joke. For any monetization purposes, there was a funny joke. If you're from a bonapil company, you were thinking about sponsoring the podcast, but now you're worried about thieves.

then ignore it as a joke nothing nothing to worry about here blue chew I love the fact we haven't talked about drums but I feel like we might have to let's talk about it I fucking hate it bro

no you don't you ever hate the drums when I'm setting them up because oh I just don't do that anymore I convince myself that I need to come home with more money so I'll just tag myself let me tell you about paying for a tech okay it is worth don't listen to this Gabe it is worth

triple what you would pay I gave Gabe a pay rise out of nowhere because I wanted him to just continue doing it I was just like hey I'm just going to pay you more nice as a as a as a like incant you're doing such a great job and you are now invaluable to me can I just give you more money not as like a secret threat not even a threat just like please continue to do this for me because it's just it made music fun again setting up drums fucking sucks

yeah dude and I hate it when people are like I'll have dudes come up and be like I like the way you keep your drums clean and I like how you you tune and everything like would you ever consider like teching for me I'm like bro you might as well just like slap me in the face I'd rather work in an office. Yeah.

That's a lie. I'd rather teach the drums than drum tech. Yeah. Because I'm never not going to do anything that's to do with drums. I taught the drums for 10 years and I loved it. You taught? Yeah. 10 years, baby, I've got a degree in music.

Are you serious? I can't do fucking maths, but I've got a degree in music. It's drums, though. You're doing math. You just don't know. I taught the drums to 10 years. It was my, it really paid fucking well as well. I hear it does.

So I didn't have. have lessons. I learned everything either just by listening to it or looking up a YouTube stuff. You know Gavin Harrison? Loving, met him for the first time the other day. So that was the first guy. I can honestly remember finding his YouTube channel. Ooh, that little tiny snare. Oh, my God. But I never, I never took lessons. And I'll have guys be like, hey, like, I, you know,

do you, would you ever consider teaching me or something like this? I want to desperately. Like I think we were talking about the whole giving back thing. I want to teach one day. I just think I need to just jump in and do it instead of thinking about it so hard. Because in my mind, I'm like, well, what if I, what if I tell them something wrong or what if I teach them the wrong way? But all, I think every teacher is different, right? Yeah.

So if I just taught them like, what I know, be fine. I heard a recent wise word of wisdom from Mike Johnston, pro drum teacher, the first online drum school type guy. And I would love to have passed this off as my own wisdom, but it wasn't. And he was talking about how like people come up to him and say, I want to teach, but I'm not good enough to teach. Or how do I know if I'm good enough to teach? And he was like, the distance between you and the student is what tells you. Like, someone who has been playing the drums for two years can teach someone who's never played the drums before. Even if they're not the best drummer in the world.

I get where you're, I get what you're saying. You can start them on your journey if the distance between the two of you is far enough. Yeah. So like, anyone can teach. Eddie Thrower, again, I'm just shouting out. Amazing. drum the drum podcast but doesn't sight read phenomenal teacher though like you don't need to do it my thing with sight reading so i can cite read and i taught my students to cite read from day one

and it was easier for them to go away and remember what i said because it was written down and when you're teaching from day one it's just like fucking reading a fucking language so it meant i could go on tour for extended periods of time and they had sheets of shit to work through and when I come back I can be like okay play this and they go I don't know how to play it and I'm like it's on that fucking sheet and you can read it yeah so that's on you not on me but um the other reason is in the UK you get these things called grade books which I don't think you have in the States and they are like accredited from a school so it's grades one to eight and it is a book and obviously one is like beginner there's like a pre-grade and then there's one two, three, all the way to eight and they get progressively hard and they they teach you everything in drumming basically by the end of it. But they are

affiliated with universities and stuff so when you get to grade six and above you can use those points to get into a better college later on. So the minute you started I started doing offering those lessons the parents can then see

like as I would put the kids in for their exam and everything but the parents would be able to tangibly see the progression from the kid. Like he did grade one last year. He's on grade two this year. I had some kids that went grade one, grade two, grade five, grade eight because they just loved it so much. And me and them clicked. They had everything to go away with. But you get the parents on board. Oh, it's game over. It was fun. It was like if you got a student and you, the teacher, which I was fucking good at. I'm sure the payoff too felt great. Oh, but best, I've talked about on the podcast

a million times before, but the best, my, my, proudest moment in my entire life. It was taught teaching a at times nonverbal autistic boy who had never sat and examined his life. It went to a different school that didn't do exams like you know on the autistic spectrum. I taught him how to cite read and then he sat some exams and he'd never even sat like a fucking maths exam or anything before. That's like my proudest fucking moment. Oh I'm sure. but like if you the teacher could instill the love of the instrument in the first six lessons i then knew like okay this kid loves it and from a business point of view it's like i have at least five years of work from this now yeah work doesn't fucking feel like work but so i had at one point

i had 25 students and they were paying 30 pounds a lesson and i had 25 in the month week. Wow. I was making big fucking money. It was awesome. But I missed playing. I don't know. Does it stretch you though as a drummer though? Like the, because teaching. Yeah, that's something I thought about

is like maybe if especially like teaching an advanced drummer. I hated doing that. Really? Because in this day of technology, if you're already an advanced drummer anything you want to learn

you can just go on the internet and find out. You've already got your building blocks in your head. You either learn well or you learn badly by this point. If you're in advance,

fucking figure out yourself. I get it if you have like an ergonomical question about how to sit or whatever, go to a fucking expert. But I would hate it when people would come

because I was in stray. And it was just... Teach me a stray song. Teach me a stray song. Teach me good, damn. But if you're coming to me, to learn that then I don't think you're good enough

to learn it yet because you kind of should be able to figure it out to an extent but in my experience with it it was mainly people that wanted to just pay to come and hang out right and then they wanted that experience I would give them the benefit that's out on episode one

teach me how to play the song I would teach them and then they would come back the next week they haven't practiced it and then it's like almost it was weird it was almost like me if you don't like me and grief and then i hate them yeah and they're a fan of my bands i don't hate them but you know i would dread the lesson yeah whereas the kid who is getting better every lesson enjoying it yes i'm far more advanced than them but i can see their progress is way that makes you want to invest more yeah way more than like someone who just wants to hang out yeah my my cousin actually has a son that is hearing impaired. And he's got, he's got a crazy hearing native. It's like one that like goes up

like on his head. And he heard me playing drums. Like I had my, my kit set up in my parents garage when I came home from tour and I was over there practicing. And he heard me from inside the house. I guess he was like feeling the vibrations and everything. Didn't ask them or anything. He just like walked out of the house, walked into the garage. He was very young at the time. And he just, like, stood there in, like, in awe. And I was like, you want to play him? And dude, the joy on his face whenever he, like, was hitting the drums,

it made me, it made me want to, like, want to cry. Not to be, like, soft on the podcast, but. I'm soft on the podcast all the time except for my bono. That, yeah, fucking hot. Brought to you by. But, dude, there's no. No, there's no greater feeling. And I think...

Wait, so he had the hearing aid in so he could hear the drums. Or he could hear it without the hearing aid. And that was the joy. Yeah, so we would turn, I think they would, basically because it was so loud with an arm. We just, I don't know if they turn it off or they turn the gain down. But I think it had something to do with like the vibrations of everything that he was a dude ecstatic. He, like he's never... And he races.

He like races cars and stuff. is like a little guy. He does like the little mini dragsters and stuff. So soft. Yeah. We have a, we have a drag strip like two minutes from where I live. Is that where the traffic light is to tell them to go?

It's right past it. It's right past it. There's the second joke I've made that's been accurate. I was going to, when you said the woman on the talk radio, saying I want to make his dick harder than his life. Yeah. I was going to make a bono joke before you even said that.

I'm on that fucking advanced grade eight comedy shit. I've got two like points that I want to get into. I don't even know what we're on time wise. We're fucking, we are far, bro. How old what do you think we've been talking for? Um, I don't know,

we talked about some, uh, talked about Bluetooth for a minute. Sorry. Was that too much Bluetooth? We didn't talk about Bluetooth for that long. I feel, I'm convinced.

By the, Bluetooth's. I mean, disclaimer, it's not actually Bluetooth. Let's not give them a fucking ad. They can give me some money. It's the same drug they put in Bluetooth. It's not Bluetooth. It's not Bluetooth. It might be new man. If Bluetooth wants it to be Blue Chew, then they can come to talk. They can fucking give me

some of that money. Let me tell. I'll sell more Bonner pills than Jordan Bellford. I'm going to put the the downbeat Pentegram on them. I'll make a fucking merch design about bonus, bro. Pendergram made a bonus. It's happening. I just realized how many podcasts I have to do. I need to fucking.

Yeah, you're a man on a mission here in the US of A. This is my work for the year. I'm proud of you. Thank you, brother. It's been a manifestation. Also, with that comes hard work, though. And you put all the work behind it. I have insane imposter syndrome with it, though. I think that's normal. Like crazy imposter syndrome. That's how I feel about everything. I feel like I'm like deep down I'm just Forrest Gump. I feel like I've accidentally manifested my life being a Forrest Gump. Like right now I'm in the stage where he's running and he's pretty stationary. I'm talking about my beard and my hair like he's just yeah but he looks sick then yeah but I'm running brother even though I'm sitting down I stay running this sounds like you mean something really

deep by it, but I don't know if you have the, you have the backup. It just sounds good. No. Okay, this is what I'm talking about. Do you find lifting? Because you're a lifter. How long have you been lifting? I took it a lot more serious a few years ago. But I've been lifting probably since I was, damn, maybe nine years now, I think. What got you into it? My dad originally. Fuck yeah We love it Like

American muscle I wish No shade on my dad Because I love music Because of how much my dad Love music So I don't want him to change at all Kind

They were just so I was such a lazy kid And they were so supportive Of me being fucking lazy Like I went to like Football clubs and shit like that And then I was just like I don't want to do this

And I was like okay But I kind of wish They would have lifted Just a yeah You don't watch Like strong man competitions or anything with the Olympics? I'd watch that shit.

Channel 5 at fucking Christmas I'd watch that shit. At no point, I had singers in old bands that would get into lifting and it just didn't interest me and then I had one breakup. And you found a way to channel the pain.

Yeah, I need to get fucking wham. So that's why I started. But you had that family, family shit. Well, I think mine kind of like, because my dad was lifting, you know, when I was, when I was a kid. I was a buck 50 when I graduated high school. That's 150.

150 pounds. Which will be, what's that 70? Light. Kilos? Light. I was a little toothpick. What's 150 pounds in kilos? 68.94.

Yeah, but also at like 6.1. So, oh, that is you a fucking tall drink of water. I was a stretch by no imagination. I played basketball, so they would run us a lot, but we didn't wait train. But I think it was the same thing for me, actually. I think I ended up going through a breakup, but had a friend that was into powerlifting, and I didn't know much about it. But what was intriguing about powerlifting is instead of being all about how I look,

it was like a sport against myself. And I thought I found comfort in that. Yeah. Because I'm hard on myself. I feel like that's the only way I ever made it out of Alabama playing drums was just because I was like, I got to get better. Progression. Yeah. And when you can feel it happening and see it happening.

Oh, when you see it happen. Dude, when I started, I couldn't bench 90 pounds, like a bar and 2.25s on each. I couldn't do it one time. And so there was maybe the, maybe something about the like, okay, I can't do it, but maybe if I like keep doing it. And then the pain involved, I feel like there's so many life lessons there where it's like in order to progress in most things in life, it's uncomfortable. And something, I think the life lessons in it and everything. and also just for the first time of my life being like jacked. I'm not anymore, but.

You're still a big dude though. Thank you. I'm trying to get back in too. You were fucking popping out of that fucking sleeveless. You know what? The little love handles is popping out. You know what sucks? I can't do a sleeveless anymore.

Why? And not like I'm by any stretch of the imagination, like ideal physique. But I feel like I'm at that weird, like weird, weird. stage of being like slightly ripped where it's like this motherfucker and he's sleepless. Dude, no, if I can, you definitely can. No, because you're just like a fucking hard bastard, we would call that at home. I feel like I look like, this guy fucking loves himself. I just don't care.

I'm in that phase where I'm like, I know I'm getting a little chunky and I've been out of the gym for a while. But also, I'm aware of the sleeveless. But you're not out of the gym for a while. you're back in the gym, you came with me. And you would have said no. People would always say no to me. But I also love how it translates into drumming. That's what I was getting out.

That's what I was going to get to. Thank you. Yeah. I feel like we talked about deadlifts, like how loose you feel like after doing deadlifts and then go in and playing a show. Why can't I get that from any warm up or any stretch? I want to know, I want someone to just tell me, oh, it's this. Could it be the like,

decompression of the spine that it gives you that and i feel like once you just picked up some heavy ass weight the sticks feel much lighter are you talking about upper body i'm talking about lower body lower body you feel good with the feet after you do that that stuff you're insane yeah dude so we played orlando one night and i specifically remember reading set times before we left i go to the gym i was with uh with uh jared who used to play with fit for a king now he plays with co wetzel uh who plays for fit for a king no tray tray who i'm gonna pronounce his name wrong how long when did this happen um damn dude it's been like it's been a little while at least i know jared's been playing with co for a minute and tray interesting i didn't know that anyways yeah i was at the gym with jared and i got

get a call like where are you like we're going on stage right now and dude i was i was like a 25 minute walk from the venue i know this feeling well i ran the entire way and i get in yes dude yes exactly it's where it's where it's where it's thought did i walk in and david puckett had set up my entire drum set and was sound checking it when i walked in and dude i felt so bad did he charge you he should have. It was a sane about it. The guy's a business man. That was my business man, Joe. No, he could have. For some reason, uh, for some reason he had grace on me, but no, I'm very thankful, but also what?

I don't know. That's how obsessed I was with it for, for a man. Why aren't you back there? I'm, I'm, I'm so obsessed. I'm like, well, I'd go everything. I go, when I'm at home, I go every day. I run myself into the ground. I get worse at all my lips, but I'm addicted to being. there so that's where i am now with like trying to with creativity so i told you i had the injury i was like training for my first meat pulling the fat deadlift what were you trying to pull 500 yeah i was trying to pull five messed it up it was actually i tried to do that and then the following week was trying to pull 80% of you know the percentages um and then i ended up injuring it more so pull out of the meat

And then that whole tour, I was just like, okay, I'll just focus on getting better at drums. Because it's been a while since I just focused on music. And dude, it made me realize how, dude, how far behind I had gotten because I got obsessed with lifting. I think you're in your head about that. Oh, always. 100% I always am. But I'm trying to get back now where there's some kind of middle ground. And also just the fact that.

that it does help. Like, it compliments each other. Even with lyric writing. Really? Yeah. Do you know how many Gideon songs I wrote in the gym? Sick.

Is there any gym lines? You ever hear that band Discarnate from the UK? I've grown to love the pain. That's like, that's, you know? That's fucking awesome. I guess.

More power, more pain is like, uh, so even though I've been out of it for a minute, like it's still like life lessons that I like carried. And that's kind of like the whole, thing with our the record we released recently was just uh the fact that in order to achieve more power you got to go through like the pain you come up with that in the gym but you beg for

you beg for more of it so you're okay with you know whatever it takes so you can get more power yeah you'll take the pain yeah super cliche yeah but it's sick there's some batman shit is it i love bad man it's so bad that was my dude growing up Yeah, same. I was a Batman guy. I was not any Marvel. I was DC. Yeah, Marvel sucked my fucking hard boner.

Until Toby McGuire stepped to the scene. And then I was like that Spider-Man movie. That kind of shifted me for a second. I don't give a goddamn shit if someone got superpowers from something. I just don't care. That's why Batman was cool, right? Yeah, but now I've grown up, it's like billionaire trust fund cop lover. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I feel that.

But at the time, the thing with Batman was, that wasn't the message. The message was never like, he loves the rules. Like, do you know what I mean? So I didn't come across it. But now, like, I've rewatched the Nolan Batman, and they're like some of my favorite films of all time. Yeah. And I've rewatched them. And I just think, I bet Bruce Wayne kind of sucked.

Dude, Arnold as Mr. Freeze and Batman Forever is one of the fun. funniest things. Batman and Robin. It's Batman and Robin. It's the worst film of all time. Which one's Batman Forever then? Batman Forever is actually sick. Batman Forever is Jim Carrey Ridler.

Yeah. I thought that's the same one. No. Batman and Robin, Mr. Freeze. Bro, my brain is gone. I mean, you're not missing much with these movies. Batman Forever is Mr. Freeze. Poison Ivy.

Bain. The worst fucking bastard bastard. Basta. bane because bane in the comics was the sickest shit ever and those do that might have been yeah this guy was just like fucking whatever um but Batman forever yeah I realized this the other day like parents stop listening to this like and I'm sure it's like every guy has this but like I got a real poison ivy no I got a real like this is like this is like the toxic male podcast right now.

Hit it. I got a real like two girls thing. Ah. And the other day clicked in my fucking it. Two girls and like you know, I guess a kink.

We talk about kink. Two girls and the two girls being complete opposites. And the other day I rewatch Batman forever and there's fucking Tommy Lee Jones Two Face. Yeah.

And he's got Drew Barry Moore and someone else and I was like oh that was a big year in my development so are you

are you Tommy Lee Jones I mean I'm not he Tommy Lee Jones not by name or by face but I feel like the movies you watch when you're a kid

this is just literally going to be all about bonus the movies when you watch when you're a kid like like fully change who you are as a man like in terms of

sexual preferences and shit or any of this shit what's the the so in Batman and Robin a girl that plays Batgirl Alyssa Silverstone enough said and when their suits

went to the silver you know what I'm crazy this is toxic bro no I'm talking about also Batman Robin's suits too it was just crazy Those movies were very sick. I even remember the one,

remember the old one with, dude, I'm horrible with names, with Penguin and Joker. I mean, that's two separate movies. No, no, no, no, no. This was like a... Oh, you're talking about the TV show. No.

There was a... What the fuck? There's no... Yeah. There's Batman. I think it was just Batman. Yeah, that doesn't have Penguin. Penguins and Batman returns. Don't come to me, like,

You love Batman? Look at that. Look at that. I don't have to look at up. Danny DeVito is penguin, Batman returns with Catwoman. Batman returns. And Joker wasn't in that one. That was in Batman. So you're telling me.

You need to tell me. Time is just, shrimp fried this right? Time is just warping in my head. Yeah. Wow. But you would have been too young. You like movies, you're a movie guy? We talked about this.

video games and movies. I do like movies. I do. No, I like movies. You got any hobbies that aren't lifting or music? There's no wrong answer. Yeah, same.

I try. Like for a while I had a really good fishing stint where like I was really getting into. I was studying like the different types of spinner baits and stuff like that. You'd be the second man of the sea on the podcast. I, uh, Nick Folio. Ah, it's a good man. Loves a fish.

Dude, it's really relaxing. Very fun. But, dude, I don't know. I do love movies, though. And I feel like movies is one of those things I can convince myself that it's worth it because you never know what's going to inspire a song or something like that from it. I need some from you. I need a top five of something. I used to have a thing like a dream festival at the end of the episode and I fucking hate it.

And people just didn't get it. Mine would be too weird. Yeah. And I wouldn't get it. It'd be like, oh, all. old hollering Billy O Mullins. Oh, he's a, he's a fucking country singer from... Do you know who Howlin Wolf is?

No. Huh. Oh, actually, maybe I've heard that one. That's a cool name. You hadn't heard of Howling Wolf. Howling Wolf. Howlin. Howling.

Howlun. There's no G. Oh, it's howling. It's not like, oh! That's what it is. Well, it's howling then. And he's chose to remove the G. or she or they

I don't know who the wolf is okay I need your top five musical artists of all time that's what I'll get from you all time artists are we talking musicians or bands

it has to be a band or a solo it's like the group or the person not like oh Gavin Harrison okay they're all for different reasons I would say number one would probably, this is so southern to me, but I'm going to say Leonard Skinnerd. Hell yeah, brother.

Not, first of all, not recent Leonard Skinner. I'm talking about the, wait, there's recently in the skinner. Yeah, so a lot of them died on a plane, like way back in the day. Yeah, but that's not recent. No, I'm talking about the guys that are playing Leonard Skinner right now. Okay. Maybe not, but. Who died on a plane?

No, I mean, don't tell me. did that happen before i was born brother but such a weird name to spell i would say them what's the big linnard skinnets songs as fucking free bird you know free bird you know some free bird you know give me three steps needle on the spoon it's almost like you're cheating because their songs are so long i love them also love led zeppelin but those bands made me dig deep into the blues. So that's where I like Helen Wolf and I like Robert Johnson. You got to give me five and you're just giving me a list and you're Leonard Skinner. Linner Skinner. While we're on Leonard Skinner, do you think that bleed by Meshugger

is our generation's free bird in terms of like it's the song that everyone says play free bird. Now it's play bleed. You get that. I guess you're not in the streaming world, bro. It's relentless. It's relentless. Play bleed and I can't fucking play it. Um. You ever try to play bleed? Can you play bleed?

Yeah. My favorite part is the Dharth da-da-da-da-da-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. That's fucking hazy. Do you ever hear my remix of it? Maybe. Ash Nico with bleed. Maybe I did it.

Anyway. Linner Skinner, Skinner, number one. Leonard Skinner, number one. It's just just going to read like a fucking, the back of a guitar. hero game. No. I would say, uh, Howlin Bobby. No, I would say death tones. Okay. Sy.

Abe Cunningham. Insane. Like, did a lot for like a, why I wanted to play drums like that. Top three Deftones albums. That's what I want from you. If I also, we're changing it. Oh, no, this is the segue. This is, I used to love, this used to be the segment on the end. And what I'm doing in Nashville is I'm testing new end segments. And everyone's going to tell me what they preferred.

Let me finish this. You're not finishing the five. Yeah, I am. No. You're going to get to finish the five, but there's a small, real brief death tone segue. To white pony first. Correct. I would say, music is subjective, but that's correct.

What do you mean? As in, like, everyone can have their favorite, but that white pony is the best one. I would say white pony, white pony, white pony. Are you just a white pony head? yeah and then i like uh i like diamond eyes love it i would go white pony diamond eyes around the fur around the fur i would go uh what's the uh one with the colors coyo koio no yoken or something like that i would say that one instead of do you know what that means no oh this is so sick but around around the fur is sick but so i don't butcher it there are there's certain

phrases or words that different languages have that we don't have an equivalent for like feelings and like Germans have a load of them and Japanese has a lot of them like emotions that we in English don't have a term for and coin no yokan

is the feeling from the first time that you meet someone that eventually you will fall in love Wow. Yeah. I've got tingles there from even saying now loud. How sick is that?

It's amazing. Fucking awesome. Anyway. And you picked around the fur, brother. I'm not picking the name. I put that four, though. Anyway, Linnard.

Yeah. Deathies. Yeah. Dude, I can't even like, I'm thinking like what I've listened to now, though. Yeah, that's fine. You can do that. Can I just say the five I've been listening to most recently? No, you can say three.

Three? Father John Misty. Sounds like you made it up. I have heard that one for. Daniel Caesar. Who's that? R&B singer. Amazing.

What's the vibe? A lot of people get nice recommendations from this shit. The vibe is very chill. It's something like you could drive to and just like, like relax. That's what it does to me anyways. But also the, his singing is incredible.

Dude, he's got a line that says pain is inevitable and misery is a choice. I think, and he just repeats that over and over again in one song and I'm here for that. I should fucking take a leaf out of that kind of thinking. Exactly. I'm fucking miserable all the time. Okay.

You got, well, you got one more? Father John, Daniel Caesar. And recently I saw, I saw Chris Stapleton live and it really changed me because I was like I liked him but I didn't

I liked him but I didn't really like get into his music that much he's a guy that wrote for like Adele he was a songwriter for a while and then he started releasing his own stuff he did like some rock stuff and then became one of the biggest country artists Yeah, it's country.

I love how much you love country. But it's very bluesy. Look at this guitar. But it's very bluesy. But I can't not say Hank Williams, Jr. I have to throw him in there. We actually, the clips that are in between our newest record are little things that we found. We were basically at the studio with Randy in the kitchen watching YouTube videos.

And we were looking up Hank Jr. videos and we found this interview. And everything this dude was saying felt like it had, like it was about our record. And it was him saying. Yeah. You're allowed to take that? It's not him on the record. Oh, you got someone else. Yeah, we do that all the time.

Someone else to say it. Yeah. We had a, who's the fucking Mr. Rogers? We had a Mr. Rogers thing. Nice. Who did it? Couldn't use it. I can't remember.

someone else to do it. We had a thing from Barney. Love Barney to them. We couldn't use Barney. The thing from the beginning of three, the police little people, we couldn't use it. It was originally from Barney. Just had to re-record it. Dude, I almost got the chance to ask him in person if we could just use it. Who, Barney? No, Bo Seifis, Hank Jr. but the person that got me into the show ended up not being there

so I didn't get to meet him. Damn. Yeah, but I love those artists as far as like metal. I love, I love me some Seven Dust. So American. Seven Dust never really broke in the UK. Really?

You ever listen to Morgan Rose? Yeah, fucking amazing. I like them because of the drumming, but they weren't. like big. I found them because I was a Bearer Dead fan. Wow, that's backwards. I loved Bear Your Dead and my dad

told me one time he said if you if you're influenced by a band and you like the way they do things, don't just listen to that band. Find out who they're influenced by. That's fucking small. So that's how I found Seven Dust and then

blown away by this dude playing drums and kind of like change the way I thought about drums. The first time I heard like a. Can we talk very, very quickly about Barry Aden? Yeah. Cover your tracks. Oof. I wish they would just re-record it.

I know it has its charm. It's my favorite Barry Aden album. I fucking love it. Every song title is a Tom Cruise movie. Love the joke. Also love Tom Cruise. You want better recording. Just, just, it's not even, like, the recording is quite nicely shit.

But it's so fucking, like, it's so rough around the edges. I just, I would kill it. Me and Tom in the pandemic were going to, I think we were going to do eyes wide shut. And we were going to re-record it. We never got around to doing it. Should have just done like a live stream of y'all just playing it live. That's what we were going to do. But, like, actually track it at the time.

and then re-record it. I think I still might do that. I would like to hear that album in like HD. Yeah. We got, we got it end. This is long. Okay. My sugar.

I'm down. Thank God. Best my sugar. Favorite my sugar? I'm coloss. Mmm. She's gonna bam, bam, bam, bam.

Bannan. It's swampy. It's so swampy. I never thought about that. That is a man trying to get out of a swamp. Yeah. that's old Greg trying to get out of the swan nice British reference love it um 4 o Ludwig 402 on that record I think really it sounds like it I don't know if like

I know he loves his bell brass or whatever he plays like a big son I think we paid a show with him we're supposed to play three we've been paid one drum tech sweetest person on fucking planet earth Jimmy the fucking man Jimmy guitarist yeah guitar tech fucking sweetest fucking guy on earth met Thomas yes he was nice

yeah but we didn't hit it off I came away being like I think that guy doesn't like me and you don't want to come away from meeting your fucking idol with that feeling and I came away with that feeling

it sucks whenever you're meeting someone for the first time that you look up to because whether you like it or not you have expectations. Yeah, and I don't think I was punishing either. You probably weren't and he probably doesn't hate you. You never know. Somebody might have called him. He hates me, but I think maybe he might

just be like, that guy's whatever. I mean, look at me. Yeah, maybe like I would hate me if I didn't know me. Maybe his wife called. But also, I'm crushing. Yeah. But does he have kids? You are crushing it. Thank you. I meant, I'm at fucking bonus.

Does Thomas have kids? I don't know. we didn't get that far because i fucking read the room anyways you don't have a drum endorsement not drums yet no i am i'm a free agent so hey holla at me you're doing so much that we didn't even fucking talk about zero yeah there's a lot giddy a cover are you got too much to fucking cover i know zero gideon i'm i'm gone these days You find out how? Fuck, I ain't going to turn it off.

We've got... We still have to cover things. My issue is like sometimes people don't get this far in. What do you mean? Just fucking two hours. We're in two hours now. I'll listen to a four-hour podcast. I don't give a fuck.

If it's a long enough drive. Everything's a long enough drive if you think about it long enough. Life's a long drive, brother. Yeah, I was looking for something like that. In a Lincoln. Making a fucking... In Lincoln. What I wanted to actually ask, you see,

I haven't got my... fucking, this was a guest episode. I had fucking no time to think of any fucking questions other than when we're in Chipotle and in the gym. Almost all of Gideon is backing zero. Yeah. So that happened after the pandemic. He needed a band.

He hadn't been on tour up to that point. His booking agent called me, which is a good friend of mine, and asked me to send him a video, his song of Journalin, his song of Journalin ended up popping. And so I was like, yeah, I'll send him the video. I need to be on tour. And Gideon didn't have anything at the time because our booking agent at the time just completely. Just I don't know. I don't know.

But I wanted to be on tour. I was tired of being at the dealership trying to like pretend that that's what I wanted in life. I basically asked him if he had a guitar player. And he was like, well, I did. but who do you know? So, I mean, I've been playing with,

with Tyler since, uh, we're around 19 or so. So we, I didn't really want to just like hop into something new and not have like, somebody, your boys, the team, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you obviously work well together. Dude, if I, if I could have had it my way, I think the whole band would have just been on tour. Like,

I mean, obviously, Gideon would have been. but I would have, like, even, I would have been like, hey, Dan, like, you DJ or something, you know what I mean? But I just wanted my boys there, and it made it, but it was a pleasant surprise. I mean, Matt ended up being, he's one of my best friends now. Something's going on. You do like him.

Is it difficult, does it clash? Has it ever clashed? Like touring schedules? Yeah. We had to play. same day at a festival one time. But that's actually sick. Until you throw up in front

of a crowd. Why? Because you just played too much. I think I got overheated or something. I went over the shoulder. And just while playing. Yeah. Fuck. It was outside. It was at so wet festival.

But it just clashed for the first time because he went, Zero had to go to Canada. I had already confirmed that we would do these festivals with Gideon and I'm not I don't know I feel like if you agree to something and that's that's what you agreed to do then I think you should you should own up to it and you should be a man of your word and I think that that goes a long way in the music industry and everything maybe it doesn't like maybe if it's important enough I think it goes away it goes a long way in life in general yeah true. But that was the first time it ever crossed. And I had a bit of FOMO, but at the same time, Gideon played my favorite show to date at incarceration. It was a nobody was playing during our set.

So we just had, you got everywhere. Yes. And it was just a sea of people in the biggest wall of death I've ever seen during one of our sets. But it was very sick. Fuck, yeah. Anyone. I did what I did. Anyone that's left not in Gideon, not in Zero's band, ever get butt hurt? Who? Do Dan?

Yeah. I don't know. It's literally just Dan. I'm like scared to ask. Yeah. Fuck, yeah, because you are literally a four piece. Yeah, but here's the thing with Dan is he got a CDL during COVID. What's the CDL?

So he can drive big trucks. Hell yeah, brother. So he started driving tour buses. And so he's driven for Gojira. He's driven for wage war. He's still panther. I want to get the bus level so Dan can drive us. Right.

But he's making, he's making grown man money. And so crazy. I like to think, I hope. He'll drive zero. Because I love him. No,

I hope that he's just like, sees what we're doing and know like, I just hope that he's like happy during those moments. where uh when he's on the road hope he knows like i'm thinking about him maybe he'll drive zero then you literally have gideon and zero i'm really tired yeah but then at that point i would just like want to play gideon songs because you're all there yeah hop on for one right maybe two a couple two three couple two three uh we're gonna fucking end it here all right i've got the nice bit that I wanted that your situation.

I've had a lovely time. We've had a lovely time. I love you. I love you. Thank you for having me. Thanks for being here. I think you need a drum endorsement. Let's get it.

I think you should get one. I think someone should give you one. Who do you think? I always say, Tamara. That's weird. I know a guy. Who knows a guy? Who knows a guy.

Tammer's just the best drums in the fucking world. Amen. So I would always say Tamer. But I just think you deserve it. Thank you for saying that. I've recently heard, I'm not going to make you say anything here, but I recently heard that mine or symbols tried to poach you. So.

They asked about me. They asked a friend about me. They love listening to this podcast and then... Do they? And then poaching people or people that don't have deals, giving them deals. So I don't know if it's... It's a situation where I don't know what the situation was, but my friend who plays Minel asked me what I thought about him and asked me if how locked in with Zildren I am.

Yeah, they're trying to steal all the heavy guys. Right. I've played Zildjan since it all started, though. And so I've tried to remain loyal. But I'm not on the roster page. You're on the roster page? No. but I'm very thankful for everything that they've done for me.

And I'll say that until my dying breath. It was in situations where they haven't, they didn't have to help me at all. It might be a case of the back scratching goes one way currently. But there's no way like they don't hook you up more if you get bigger or whatever. Right. So it's on me to like. Yeah, you've got to make more fucking content.

That's what it is. I know. Because when you post content, I write the comment content, and that's because I have agreed that this is excellent content and you should make more. I should actually say that in my comment. But when I say the word content, I mean, this is great. Do this more. Because I'm like, I hate the word content and I use it like fucking semi-ironically. But I've seen from the pandemic and the amount of shit that I pushed out just fucking blasted Instagram.

And now I'm fucking living easy. easy. Not for like fight. I mean like with my sponsors and stuff. For like as in drum sponsors. No, I have the things I need now to like do all that. I don't know because they endorse like you endorse road. But I'm with my company.

How can I say that or no? You can say it, but I'm going to tell you these are better. Okay. Well. So if you want to fight, we can say it. SC electronics. I work with them and personally I think they have the best. well i i disagree

everyone makes good shit i know people that swear on some of the i see stuff but because of them now i have like more tools for like when i'm home and i have the i had the yama the little ead i love that too it's cool but i wanted something where the symbols weren't as harsh i couldn't get away from that sure i do

but a bit of tape over it i did that i did uh foam foam pad phone's fucking overkill yeah i'm fucking exhausted i've been doing this all day good night craig i love you i love you i mean let's do something but let's do something with the cameras off okay love you all uh thanks for coming listen to gideon listen to zero listen to gideon more but listen to zero uh post malone you should hire jake if for some reason you don't want jake you should hire me roll time