The Downbeat - John Famiglietti (HEALTH)

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

My guest this week is John Famiglietti AKA JOHNNY HEALTH from industrial/noise rock band HEALTH. With a career involving collaborations with NINE INCH NAILS and their chart-topping song 'Crimewave' with CRYSTAL CASTLES we had a lot to talk about as well getting into stuff like scoring numerous video games, Warhammer 40k...and letting fans sleep at his house (respectfully).  Great dude great band great chat.

Been a long time coming on this one. You know, they call it cum metal. I call it baddy core. It's Johnny from Health. Health have had an unbelievable career for the last, I want to say, like, 20 odd years. Starting as like a noise band, super hipster stuff, and then ending on what they are now, like an industrial metal thing, baddy core. We talk about the baddy core versus come metal debate.

We talk about their career in doing games, like soundtrack for Max Payne 3. that was health. Johnny's a funny, funny guy. He was super hospitable. Met up with him in L.A. to do this episode. Apologies if you're watching and video. It is in 1080. The place that I rented,

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downbeat at neuraldisp.com. Let's get back to the show. It is Johnny from Health on the Downbeat podcast. Don't docks your address, ideally. I'm overly open with fans. I give it my phone number and several shown to my house. I've just hung out with them. They spent the night in a spare room. Is that true story? Definitely a true story. You want to fucking open with that? Hello, Johnny from health. Oh, hello. How you doing? It's great to be here on the downbeat. I'm happy. How are you? Welcome to my living room. Yeah, it's great to squash the beef, you know, in real time. Oh, the beef has not been fucking squashed yet, my friend. It's never over. It's never over. The beef is happening. We're going to keep it going until it's in the Grammys or something.

What's this about inviting fans to your house? Well, I just have a very open-door policy with fans. I give out my phone number. What do you mean you give it out? We put it on T-shirts. It's in the music videos. It's whatever. Your phone number? It goes, well, it's a phone number that forwards to my phone. Oh, okay.

We're doing it for years. We started a new one that you can text. Now we have two numbers. And we have it through WhatsApp. So any fan, any time can call me or text me at any time of the day. What do they do? I thought something's scared they hang up or they ask me any relationship questions. I'm terribly.

I'm like the worst person to ask. I give terrible advice all day. What I'm doing. They cranked call me. They're not funny at all. I hate it when people aren't funny. Like, if you're going to do it, have something. I think that crank call kind of died in the, you know, the 90s is the era of crank calls.

Now there's no reason for crank calls. But so the kids, they got no skills. They suck. You know, so I get some, this is very rare, but I get some shitty crane calls. So, yeah, I'm just, I'm just very open with fans. And fans have, you know, it's very easy to, you think, kind of talk the rain to show up my house. And then they end up staying my house like three days. And so, you know, what are you do for three days with friends?

We play Dungeons and Dragons. We played seven of a tan, yeah. Like OG. Analog. Analog Dungeons and Dragons. I'm kind of a nerd. I fucking, I play,

I play DGoners every week. I'm a DM. Oh, I love that shit. Yeah. I had Andy from Fallout Boy on the podcast. And he was like,

I'm well into Dungeons and Dragons. And I was like, teach me, bro. It's really great. It's exploded popularity because people want to go off the screen. But it's a great way to drink.

It's great when you're an adult. It's a really, it's a really fun way to hang out. It's, it's, my crew, all my crew are all like musician people, music people,

DJs or whatever. They're all degenerate. So I had to teach them how to play. It was really out of their wheelhouse. And now they just love it and just get obliterated and just play, probably every time. And, you know, we go all these weird places. You know, like, we've been playing for so long, like almost like a decade as a group. We have, like, a girl in the group.

And all the characters have, like, they've all fucked each other and, like, had a three-way and, like, done horrible things to each other. And then, like, a guy, like, he took a, the impotion to make his dick small so he'd fuck the Nome Queen. Like, just a ridiculous shit we get into. You know, it's just really fun. You know, we have a great time. I fucking love that. I'm going to move to L.A., so I can do it. After that, I was like, I'm doing it, but I don't have any friends, no offense, nerdy enough.

Yes, well, it's kind of like, it's like being a drummer. You know, like, you can't make a band-tie of a drummer. And, like, drummers are kind of like the commodity and, like, secret rule of rock and roll, it's like you're only as good as your drummer. Yeah. That's a DM. And if you don't have a good DM, you don't have a game. So, their DMs are rare and you got to find them.

So I'm a DM. So, if you ever want to play, come to my house, we can do one shot. It's very fun. You have a good time. I'm so down. I think what I might do is a DragonCon or some kind of thing like that. I'll just be like, I'll post up there all weekend. It'll be like, if anyone is a fan, you can just come and play.

And I'm just be at this table and just do one shots of it. You know what we fucking should do is actually arrange it. Bring this shit and stream. That would be fucking hilarious. You could all musicians. It would be really funny. Because they do that. They do that celebrity D&D.

We just do all whatever. Yeah. Like a celebrity poker match, but it's D&D. Yeah. I love that. I'm fucking down. Let's do it. Thanks for coming.

Big fan, but we got beef. Yeah, we do. You want to start with a beef? Why, wouldn't you bring me in the box? Oh, shit, let's start with the, sorry. So what's in the box? What's in the box? It's just a fucking, it's my girlfriend's head.

That would be really fucking weird. Just left her as well, so it'd be some David Lynch shit that you actually managed to get the head before I got here. What's in the box? All right. Courtesy shout out Larian Studios. We got a Ballard Escape 3 and a Larian Studio shirt. This is for your homie. Oh, this is.

is for Simon the editor who has a big health fan, big Boulder's Gate fan. He was very disappointed that he couldn't be here because he loves you and he knows that you love Balders Gate. Well, you can think of me when he wears these wonderful, wonderful shirts. Thank you, thank you, sir, very much, Larry N's Studios. This is for you. This is a, I'll open it for you. What's this? This is a-one-one-combs. This is a health-put plug. Oh, my fucking God, are you kidding me? You know I'm going to use this later today. Sure, not sure. Thank you so much. And then everything else is here just drinks.

I brought my favorite beer, Kronomophiliy R to welcome. But also, this is, you know, I want to kind of chill this. I want them to sponsor me. But this is a, this is a Lone River Ranch Water. And I think this is what most guys and bands should be drinking on tour. It's a little bit less alcohol, much lighter. You get less fat and it's amazing taste. It's like the perfect, perfect amount of drunk.

Well, I can't wait to try that as well. And there is no drink sponsor of the Down Beach. So if they're sponsoring you, I'll take it as well. This is fantastic. this will be used. You know, I feel like that should go there. Thank you, mate. Of course.

I've got no gifts for you. Oh, no worries. I was just looking at my house. I do have any merch or anything because I have those shirts. It's a fresh one, right? It's definitely fresh. Look at that. That's a packaging.

Smell it. Yeah, we're good. We're good. Thanks for being here. Big fan. Obviously, I'm a big fan. Everyone knows I'm a big fan. But we have beef.

We do. It's a bit of a, it's a war. It's a, what do you call it? It's like an end? marketplace of ideas, you know. How did, I'm trying to remember, I was trying to remember on the way here, how the beef even started.

I made a tweet about what I think the genre of sexy metal should be called, which was bad equal. Yeah. Then you on a podcast announced. I was actually going to reach,

hit you before, but I was like, I really have the avenue. Then I'm in this podcast, this metal influencer guy, and this is like, oh, fuck, This is the time.

It's a time. Then I felt bad because I was like, I was like, he was not other guy, because I was thinking, because I'm thinking, because I think of your username, Rain Lord. I'm like,

rain Lord. I'm like, rain Lord. Yeah. The fuck's name, rainlord. You thought, oh,

that's just a D&D character we came up. No, it really sounds like that like rain, like, rain, like, blood rain, you know, so I was like, rain, I was like, can't be right. Can't raise. I was like, that other guy.

Yeah, no. I was a kid when I made that and I was like, what will make me sound like I'm in a black metal band that I just wrote Rain Lord from Reynolds and that was it. Yeah. And you were like, come metal. Which, you know, if we really want to get, I don't know if we want to wait. We can't waste too much of the podcast. I think it's the more correct term.

Because I think, you know, I think what happened was, you know, people have used that term baddy core before. I think you maybe heard it. And because of you, the accent, you hear it differently, you know. Okay. You hear things. And it's the baddie core. C-O-R-P-A-S. It's the fans, not the music.

And they were the fans, not the music. Yeah, I was the baddies. Are you conceding that the baddies? body core can be fans of cum metal. I would know, yet true, you know, I think that's more, it's more correct. It describes the fans, not the genre. Or, or if we really want to get, if we want to really be diplomatic, we could say that, I was thinking about this way here, uh, baddie core could be a subgenre of cum metal.

Oh, so you want to, you want to topsy-turvy there? Well, well, to think about it, because you know, cum metal, if we really go, because people say, well, what about death tones? What are type of negative? Well, that would that be pre-cum metal? It's like, well, that's the genesis of cum metal, probably. You know, it's like when they define a genre, you move backward in time and you say, like, oh, wait, these doges are punk, a proto punk, you know, protocum metal,

pre-com metal. So you start thinking about that. We're like, you know, we're like, well, low, then, you know, you could even, if you want to put us in there, well, we're not really a core band. We're not exactly like that. This is what I was thinking. So then, well, shit, would we be cum metal artists because we would be closer to death tons of typo, more alternative metal, and then the, this pop, you know, this, what's

exploding. Is this the subgenre of baddie core? Think about that. So you really have thought about that. so have I, because I was thinking, along the same lines, without, you know, completely disrespecting Ballycore, you don't have breakdowns. Well, wait till this next record. There's breakdowns?

No, our record already came out. The next one. I'm just like, there's been a moment where I'm like, I think we have to add breakdowns, the time that we have the technology. We have to do it our way. We're not going to do it like everyone else. There's going to be some version. It will not be like a regular, it will not be like a metalcore breakdown, but it'll be some

version of breakdown. Because you have, you have had breaks, breakdowns before, but from collapse. Then on Rap Wars, there's one bit that resembles a breakdown. One bit. And I know, like, you know, breakdown is the language of like, everybody's about. And it's like, it's very like, we've talked about this before, but it's, you know, very outside of our wheelhouse. I haven't thought about, like, hitting up, like, someone I really admire and be like, can you write me a breakdown that I will transform and change around? And then I'll get, you know, give me everything direct and I'll just, you know, you know, produce it and turn it to something else. That's still on the table.

Who would you hit up? Who would I hit up? Yeah, who would it be? Funny thing is I hit up Metalberg and I was like, who does the best breakdowns? Give me your list. Give me a short list. Who was on it? Well, I watched his top 10 breakdowns of whatever and I watched this, is this Japanese band.

Ven, or something like that. I was like, I forgot what the hell the name was, but it was really, really, really crazy. Japanese bands. It was in his, I, this is very. very recently. I was watching Metal Burbs, top 10 breakdowns of the year, you know, and I was going down. Was it Crystal Lake? Maybe. No, sis. You know what? I put it in play this right. Get it. I need to know. I need to know. I'll fill the dead air while you. Yeah, yeah. But no, that was the thing, too, just the breakdowns like, obviously then, you know, he put the spirit box on and I was like, oh,

it's like more, you know, we wouldn't do something very that complicated. It has to make sense with our music, you know. But there has to be a way that we can do a breakdown that makes sense. We can't have it sound like a left turn, you know, because it's just, you know, our instrumentation is very different, you know, it's just weird. It would hit, though. Yeah, and I was at the Spearbach show talking to their producer and he's like, you guys, man, if you guys, it's like, next album you got to go, you got to do it. You know, he's kind of gassed me up.

Like, all right, shit, maybe we need some. I mean, then that would put you in baddycore. By your own definition. I think we're, you know, you could have a baddycore song. Perhaps. I think we're more classic, you know, come metal. Pre-com metal, by the way. absolutely fucking bodied me.

Pre-com metal is fucking hilarious. Here's the thing. We don't know. You know, when genres start, you know, there's all this, you know, when hip-hop first started it was so much more varied. You know, when all these genres started, it's a very, you know, punk was all these different styles and then it became a sound. So we don't know. We don't know we're in the infant stages of come metal.

We don't know who, what, who came when, where, who came first, who came late, you know, so we'll figure it out. Historians will look back at it. We'll look back at the time. Paul Corey sat in the corner, met him, today for the first time, just sat there like, what the fuck are these guys talking about? Here we go. So I made a fucking playlist.

Oh, here we go. This is my John Inspiration playlist. All right. So here we go. I got this Jiluca. Jiluca. Songs called The Venom. We got this disembodied tyrant.

I got Spirit Box. But I mean, you're an expert. I'll just ask you. Who's got the best breakdowns in the biz? Do you want to know what I think the best breakdown in history is? What? Is at the end of a song called Remembrance by Gojira. It's an old Gojira song.

Okay, I haven't heard. I only know Norwich Gojira. It's a 2006 gojera song. And it is, it was like their take on morbid angel meets like OPEF, the way OPEF had like a breakdown. a chuggy style riff, but it would like turn around and stuff. You got out here. That's, that's number one for me.

And it's, oh. You know, I've actually had the hardest time, it's funny. It's like, outside, because I was like, people have been telling us for years, like, you guys need breakdowns. And I had the thing around like, what exactly is the breakdown? Like, I'd be listening to a song like, not how I was I'm not sure what it is. And then the first breakdown, they would be like, well, angel of death. And I'm like, oh, that's fucking great.

And then I'd be hearing all these other songs, you know, the concept gets more and more abstract. I'm just like the weirder or a guy would be like, or whatever, you know, and then I'm like, some of them are like, where they're so stilted, I'm like, well, that's, that's making my pussy dry, you know, like, like, I want, I want ones who are like, you know, you know, I love, love getting off,

getting heavy. So for us, you know, also with the sort of danceability, we would sort of get in a way where things could have her and bring it down slower. Kubla can break downs. That's what you need because they, most of their breakdowns are just a kick, a snare and a hat.

Mm-hmm. And then there'll be some chugging underneath it. It's not like a, It's super technical. Yeah. The Gojira one is super technical. Yeah, yeah. I mean, however, Gojira in terms of like, I didn't understand that bed, I saw I'm live.

I was like, fuck, this is incredible. Yeah. But I really like when they get technical. They do it in a way that's not annoying that does not dry my vagina. So you said people have been telling you for a while you need to have breakdowns. You were thinking next time is a breakdown. I've noticed this year, even though, like, musically, you haven't really changed. changed in in terms of like there hasn't been like a huge genre shift but much bigger metal presence

even like yesterday announcing full force like I don't think I've at least we haven't been in the same year where I've been like oh hell for playing like like the metal festivals is that conscious decision yes very conscious I mean all this stuff has been very conscious you know we've been it's been it's been a it's been a while we've been like you know like hello like can we get in here. You know, like, hey, we want to play too, you know, and always, it was this thing where it's like at our shows, you know, we came from a very different scene, very different world before, and the most passionate people at our shows, you know, because I do the merch, I talk to the fans every day. It's kind of like a focus group. So I'm always just talking to people, and this,

bringing back to being a dungeon master, I'm like, you know, you talk to players, like, what do you guys want on this campaign? Or you just kind of cater to the players they like, and like the people most passionate about our band, the people who have been there for years, like, they were all fans of really heavy music and metal and extreme metal. And they sort of sauce in that zone. So it's definitely been an intentional thing. And so, yeah, it's a relatively new thing that we played a brutal salt. But so we work with our manager of this French.

Bruttle asshole. Bruttle asshole. Bruttle asshole, which I love it. But, you know, we play brutal salt. You know, show up there. Everyone is extreme, you know. Every band's a heavy fucking festival. So heavy.

Everyone before and after us is grind core or black metal or something, death metal, fucking obituary is playing, you know, like, I don't know, 30 minutes before. And it's in that cool ass, I don't know, Castle, whatever, in Prague or whatever, former military base. And you're like, are these guys going to fucking hate us? They're going to think of a fucking joke. It's like, no, everyone there has loved us. And people had tons of fans there.

It's been a really great experience. So full force, I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah. I mean, I can't wait to see Priest. I'm wearing a Judas Priest's ring right here. Nice. But yeah. So, like, that's pretty exciting for me. I still haven't seen Priest.

I don't think I have either. I've read his book. I'm desperate to get him on the podcast. That would be great. The stories in Rob Halford's book? I didn't know this, but I was watching just a YouTube. thing. I didn't know his boyfriend fucking blew his brains out in front of him

in the middle of a drug bender. Just like the most, some of the gnarly things I've ever heard. There's shit like fucking cool stories. Less dark from that one, but like him like going a glory hole while on tour. And like getting blown through the door. And then the awkward eye contact when they come out

and it's a, it's someone on the way of the priest gig wearing like a priest shirt. For real? He might have embellished that. I mean, even if he did, like that's just funny. That's so sad. That's so rad, though. That's so rad.

If you write an autobiography, you better, you better gussy it up. Oh, I wouldn't even have to. Yeah, yeah. There's some shit. There's some shit like that. As good as that? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's pretty bad stuff. I just talk about it on stream, though.

Like, when I do it, I just tell people, I'm just like, oh, I did this one. And then everyone in the chat is like, that's insane. Why are you telling us? It's like, because I did it. Like, I'm not going to do something and keep a secret. You're like, I blew it. Halfer right before pre-show. He came on the podcast at last.

Sucked him off. While we're still on the come metal thing, because I just remembered something there, like, I'm going to throw this in. Because I'm, you know, it's a, for anyone that doesn't know that we're joking.

I saw some people like fucking on Twitter. I didn't believe that. No way. Twitter, bro. I love that, though. People, like, I saw some people like, really, people get furious about that.

Even like something came up in Discord, this week. And someone sent me the screenshot and it's like someone dragging me for something else. And they're like, oh, people who are more interested in creating things like baddicor. It's like, my brother, it's a joke. Do you think I really want like, I mean, I do because now the joke is even funnier. Like you can put, you put Baddickor into Spotify now and bad omens and the spirit box come up. If you put Come Metal, sleep token shows up. we start showing up.

I don't know who's working there, some intern, like, do, like it's just there. They definitely are because it's immediate. I have a gym playlist. Uh-huh. And Spotify's heavy metal workout.

I have deep fucking cuts on my gym playlist, but there's like 1,700 people follow it. Like it's a decent. I have some fucking deep cuts on there and they made it onto Spotify's extreme metal workout playlist. There's no way. There's no way someone isn't just fucking looking. But my,

thoughts are, come metal. I just think it's so funny that we're talking about, like, come metal and baddy call it, like, it's true. And there's a poor guy in the corner there who's editing. But it is true. This is how, I mean, sorry, yeah, it is true. But anyway. It's not things about someone had to come.

Someone said new metal at the NU and it became new metal. No. No, no, no. That's why I thought you were saying someone, because people have been trying to call this post new metal. That makes zero sense. No. It makes zero sense.

There's nothing. Zero sense. This is not like, rap. There's no rap influence. We'll have to join voices if that's if that's if that's the other side. I will concede to come metal if that's what's fucking happening there. But like cum metal,

I'm way more likely to fuck to than bad ecore. If we are then we are separating the two like I don't want to fuck to a breakdown up. Yeah, no. However the cum metal. The rhythm. Yeah. I've got I got a sex playlist, helps on it. Well, thank you. You know it's actually funny. Speaking of this, no, we're going

in really bad territory here. But you talk about sex play this with myself. Lyrics really fucked me up. I can't, I start paying attention to the lyrics. And I'm now putting that in context of having sex. So for me, it's instrumental music. And I'm really big on like Brian Eno's Apollo to bang too. Love Brian Eno or like a Barry Lyndon soundtrack.

Right. Apollo every day before a show, I do like my stretches and stuff to Apollo. Really? Every single fucking day. That's my favorite. It's all the time for sex and for normal stuff. Oh, wait. Oh, wait.

Sex is kind of fucking. That's a great thing An assent That's the thing If you're like You know You're down there You say you're

You're down I mean we're on This is a podcast I don't know It's an X rated We're X rated We're x rated You chowin

Box Whatever you're kids call up These days You know And like If you're eating pussy To an assent It is fucking epic

Like it's It works It really works Another one that's Really great Is um The original Blade Runner soundtrack

Great Elsexxx Music Only problem is if you go long, you're having a real sash the very end, it gets all intense and it's really out of place. But if you remove that last track, it's perfect. I'm going to run you off my sex soundtrack.

I would love to hear it. God, there's a lot of fucking, I would run you off the names of the bands and you can get the point. Typeo. Perfect. Perfect. Tipo. Typeo. Pre-com metal. Or calm metal. Nine inch nails. Of course. Carbon de brute. A perfect

circle. A perfect circle. Correct. Correct. You've probably put them in the Kamel zone, too. Yeah. Ramstein. Different. It technically, it's a different way, but yes. That's when I'm really ramping up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm ramping up. More nine inch nails, death tones. How do I say his name because I love him? You've collaborated with him. Is it perturbator or perturbator? I say perturbator. Perterian. Because I think about like a masturbator, and like he's perturbing you.

Now, he's French, by the way. Yes. So they say, putter bit. Yeah, yeah. Three of his on there. Placebo. Mm. However, now you're saying the lyrics.

shit. I'm like, what? Well, it's only, it's only, it's my issue. It's not if it's your issue. I got two, two healths. Nice. Isn't everyone? Mm-hmm. Kind of counts as night asheniles again.

In strange days. Oh. Ministry. You're having some wild. Yeah, we get into the end. Toe. Crosses. All good choices. How to Destroy Angels. Nineies now is a Jason.

All very on brand, you know. What are you about to say before I cut you up with my final song? Which tour song? Sober. That's so. Okay. You know, that 4 degrees is about anal. Great song.

No, that'd be too literal. It's like that movie. It's a really nerdy reference. You know Titan A.E. That animated movie? Yeah. It's fucking soundtrack's terrible. The lyrics are exactly what's happening on screen.

No. So it's like, he's learning to fly back. Learning to fly. It was just like, opening the door is the worst thing in the world. That sucks. So it'd be too literal to listen to that one if you're doing that. I feel you on the lyrics thing, though. I think with any of those songs and songs that I like with,

a lot of lyrics or sexy songs or whatever they need to be really like ambivalent like just not even just just words i can't have like i can't be listening like a net that story have like like closer nine inch now i can't put that i can't put that on a sex playlist too literal however i've been into many i've gotten to many a sex store and they're just playing closer it's kind of funny you know but And it is like, it's like strip club 101 for like, I mean, it's strip club in like 1996 or something, you know. Or like, or jumbos or something, you know. That's not a strip club, but it's bikini bar, sorry, sorry jumbos. But yeah, if you want, where's that?

Everybody jumbos? No. There should go jumbos after this. I'm sorry. It's great. It's fine. It's like, it's not a strip club. It's just, it's a bikini bar.

Charles Vukowski used to go there. But it's frozen time. I went to my 21st birthday there. It's just like, it's this like rock and roll bikini bar. And, uh, you can only play music on the jukebox. So before a girl goes. up she chooses a CD from the jukebox. I love it. And they've barely updated it over like 20 years or something. So it's like in the jukebox, it's like it's got most of the same CDs that I went to when I

was back there. They've added a few CDs but it's like tool black album, nine and shouts, whatever. It's like, yeah, dance to it. And it's like, it's a, when I went there was, it was, it was most disgusting rundown places now became very cool and like hipsters go there and everyone's very, you know, beautiful there. But when I went there, it was like old alcoholic man with like shaking you know, shaking glasses and stuff like that. But it was a great 21st birthday, you know. I love it. Wait, how long ago was that?

How old are you? Because you came in. Oh, man, ex-na on the age rate. You came in on hot. You look young. Thanks. No, no, no. I can see.

I'm 39. I'm no spring chicken. I mean, I'm 37 next month. Yeah, you came in. I was like, this guy's my age, and you were like talking about. I don't know what you guys call it these days. I was like, I mean, that's the same time.

Well, actually Chownbox is a pretty classic term. But I know what you're saying. Yeah. Chowin box threw me. That's a very old one. I take it a lot of Zoom or slang. I'm on Discord a lot of a lot of young. Same.

Shout out of Discord. Love Discord. Love Discord. Discord is now my Twitter. Like, I don't really fuck with Twitter anymore. I kind of enjoying this Wild West shit show Twitter. It's great. Just total bananas.

I made myself a pact 2024. I'm only making jokes on Twitter because I would post an opinion and both sides of the argument would be annoyed at me. I'm like, why am I even doing that? I'm funny. It's getting recommended everywhere because, like, if you go to your 4-U, like, you'll just get this crazy shit because it's kind of bait you into. Yeah, because you've interacted with that before. Or just anything. I'm like, I'm like, how am I getting this?

Like, I don't follow any of this stuff, you know? It's just shenanigans. I don't share opinions on Twitter. I never have. It's just jokes. I used to, and now I'm a joke's guy. You're a memester. Memster.

Well, we used to do jokes in Yeolden Times of Twitter, but, you know, that became, that kind of went out. Now, people are starting to joke on there again. It's been such a strange, it's a really strange sight. Wait, so if you were 39, how old were you when the Crystal Castle song happened? I was probably like, that was a fucking long time ago. I was probably like 22 or 21. Oh, really? Or 23?

Probably 23, 23. I'm sure it was older than that. Well, because it came out, let me think. It came out and the first version of it actually, we had on a CDR that we were selling when we were playing like hardcore basements in like a Reno. That's before it was released in the UK and became a hit. And that was like over a year. actually came out there maybe, no,

seven or something like that. Was it a hit in the UK first? It was a hit in the UK first. That's what broke them there. So I was probably when I, we had on CDR, it's probably 22. And by the time it came on the UK,

it's probably 23. That song was so fucking big in the UK. You always know. It broke them. They became a huge band. And it's like this hilarious weird thing. And it helped us so much. But we were this noise band,

you know, playing basements in the US. But we had our first out, we had all this press coverage. we got booked on every cool, like, a hipster festival in the UK, and we had all these things because we're, like,

it's Jake's voice on that song. It's a remix of our song, but our song is like totally uncommercial. So we're just, we're just in all these places we shouldn't be. And this is hilarious. And like, that's,

you know, who invited this guy to the party? It's been, it's been that way the whole time. I kind of fucking love that, though. It's funny. I mean,

it was great. I mean, we had a great fucking time. We, you know, did everything. I mean, like, we played Prima Vera off the first album.

On the first album, which is just at a tonal noise. It's like 20 minutes. Like we toured with 19-nails out the first album. Played Pramivera. We played, uh, I don't know,

pretty much most of the big festivals of the year of it. I mean, it was pretty awesome. I mean, it's fucking like amazing to go from, I don't think there's another band that will go from like Crystal Castle's collab. And literal,

I would say fucking stardom smash hit in the UK to brutal assault. Yeah. Like that's... It's been a strange, uh, strange journey. Are you, are you like, are you, I mean, you got the priest ring on and you metal heads? Are you like, what's, what's your, uh, I mean, we're fucking, we were hipsters, you know, we're hipsters like, originally at least, uh, term, turns out of the end.

Defying hipster for me. Well, like, I was the 2000s hipster. I mean, we were, you know, we were, um, avant, this total avant noise scene, you know, we were hugely influenced by like, in all the New York bands at the time. and then we were into like fucking throbbing gristle and like cool ass fucking postpunk and obviously, you know, Joy Division and Ganga Four and all of shit like that and all this esoteric stuff and free noise. And it's, but of course we were, you know, you know, we grew up into music, heavy music. Of course we love metal. You know, most, all my favorite metal is like most of it is from the classic era.

I mean, Pantera is one of favorite bands of all time. A lot of, but for us, it's kind of funny because like in the 2000s, you were a totally different scene. So much of heavy music like from 2000 something to. I don't know, seven years ago or five years ago, it's like, there's like kind of a gap in my, my memory,

you know, there's just like this time travel thing where like there's so little, like where I'm not versed in so many things. Or there's a lot of genres that like, work out really strange. We're like, this is not resonating with me. It's like a fan of heavy music from X year to X year,

you know? Just because it didn't resonate or just. Well, also we were in a totally different scene too, you know? So there's a lot of stuff that missed me. So like I was really like, I got into,

I should have, you know, if I was really in the trenches, I would have known about Gojira really early. I didn't get them to Gojira until they, like, hit it, you know, big until, like, it was a sensation. Stuff like that, that would be like, to be like, to be honest. There was quite a lot of people like that. Even our guitarist.

We now, like, I joined the band and I was like, we, excuse me, guys, we're a Gojero, a rip-off band now, but with some hardcore elements. And the rest of my guys didn't know them, like, it was just, they were still, even when they blew up, people were like, oh, I just, you know what I think it is. I think the name is fucking awesome, but it's kind of a weird name. Like, it's a little weird. Godzilla in Japanese. but like, I'm like, I'm the same,

you ever hear that band? Fucking incredible band. Worst fucking name I that. Carnival? No, but it's spelt with a K and two O's. That's terrible. Yeah, but, oh, the band is fucking genius.

They're like, like their last album, I wish, Toul's last album sounded like, are you hot? You want to take that off. You want to take this shit. There's hot.

There's hot. Are you good? I shouldn't have worn a long sleeve. it's a really hot studio it's fine you can get naked if you want no no it's not it's fine I'm good I'm good yeah there's a carnival album I was like I wish to put that album out but again the name

I think the name puts people off maybe subconsciously speaking of your band I got some things I got some things I guess we got to talk about your album yeah talk about the album you should just try a Ranchwater bud I would love a Ranch Water let's do this before we do the album because I'm doing these in a fucking backwards order now because we naturally got to some of the points

Do you do a lot of editing on these things or no? I don't do it. Yeah, yeah. Simon does it. The worst, though, is when I do one and everything's fine, I tell people at start. And then where I tell them, I was like, try not to say anything. If you say something, just say cut it out. And then it ends and they go, when do you think I can see a rough cut of that?

It's like, I told you. You know, I'm a long. It fucking takes. I have one the other day. And it's like, it's a 4K render of three cameras. Like, even on extreme machines. You really think it's a 4K? Yeah.

And it's a fucking, oh, yeah, the new. cameras I have at home, which we'll have to do a follow-up. You know that movie, The Creator? Oh, the new one. The new one. It's the cameras. They shot that movie. You should make a fucking real movie, then.

I've been thinking about it. Yeah, I think in back the day, it's like you own like a 35-millimeter camera. It's fucking crazy. I'm thinking about like just making something. Or just filming, I mean, filming a like a live show, like really well. The thing that piss me off, it's like if you go to film at a really big venue, like they want to charge you like a shit ton of money just for the rights to do it, you know? Yeah, especially like a fucking live nation or something.

Well, like the sleep talking, like we wanted to film at Wembley, and they're like, we're going to need Kent Tank Ham. Like, fuck you, dude. Well, you wanted to film and they didn't. We just wanted to film the show. It's like, nothing too crazy, you know. We stuck a few on a DSLR, which is nice. Yeah, I got those, those cameras from, it was just, I didn't, I got what was the cheapest

best, cheapest, it was fucking expected. I like, Netflix approved cameras because I was like, this is going to be what's right. And then it ends up, they shot that movie the creator on it. And it's fucking. I mean, it's the technology now is fucking crazy. So, but I want to make, sorry, that's where I was going on that. I want to make some. I feel like, because I fucking, I like your band and then you're mentioning other shit.

I like, like fucking Brian Eno and stuff. Like, I like weird fucking movies. Yeah. I like David Lynch. I like all the fucking Robert Eggers or give me all the weird. And I'm like, I have these cameras. I want to make like, have you ever seen Bogotten? Oh, shit.

You mean the one from like, 191, the black and white movie? Yeah. I want to come out with like a fucking 80 minute, like, begotten and like hype it. Like, guys,

I'm making a movie and all this shit. And it just be the most bizarre, weird fucking shit. Make no fucking sense. Kind of amazing, though. Because you can do it like, like these cameras,

like now with like the processing too, it looks fucking amazing. Yeah, it would look crazy. Imagine begotten in 4K. I know. That's what I'm going to do. The tools now are nuts.

Like you could take, Gotten. Actually, you can, the 4K upscaling, AI upscaling is so good. You could take Begotten and upscale it in a way that's like, it doesn't look corny. Yeah, that AI shit. Yeah, it looks fucking crazy. Someone was telling me about that because there's, there's been people that shooting in 4K now and then upscaling to 8K. Yeah, then you can totally do it. And it totally works. It even works with grains. So we upscale the footage. We have scaled footage of us from that we lost in like 2000, fucking nine. And it was grainy. We're like, oh, we have to redo this without the grain. And it could totally upscale with the grain. And it looked perfect.

Where it brought the grain with it. So we had already processed it. So we had footage that we shot on like probably like this is ancient history like the Sony Panasonic 24P or whatever. That used to be the hottest prosumer camera back then. There were only like two things in town. That footage was already processed made black and white, made it look cool with like magic bullet or something, upscaled that to 4K now and it moved the grain 100% perfect.

It just, it's shocking, you know. AI for good. These advanced algorithms can do so much. much good stuff. People are just like hitting the gas to immediately go to the worst outcome, you know, which is funny. However, you know, I mean, we'll see. We'll see how the stuff canceled. Don't get canceled. Don't get canceled of being AI, pro AI. No, no, I'm not a pro. For me, it's like the, when it comes to music in terms of generating music, what I find funny is, all the technology to have music made for you already exists. You can go on splice, and it's

incredible. And people already made it. And it's royalty free, you know, and generate, AI generating. I don't know what that is. It's like a membership service to get royalty-free samples. Okay, right. And they're really great, really high quality. You could, you could just do that right now. Also, if you live in Los Angeles and you're a good looking person, you can just get free songwriting sessions with the most talented people around, and they'll just write a song for you based on what you tell them and with you with you. And they'll work on it with you over time. They get paid nothing. They just get a percentage of your song. It's just part of the LA, you know, pop music landscape. Yeah, it's always been the case. We don't know this because if, you know,

if you play metal, it could be the most alien thing. But let's say, you. You know, you're a young, attractive person, and you're just like, I want to be a singer. And you have, like, some social meeting following. And you're like, wow, you're pretty good looking. Let's, you know, you get management. It's like, get you in some sessions. You'll just go to someone's house and they'll talk with you. And then you'll just kind of like, they'll just make a beat and like over and just talk

with you, just talk with the song, like, you'll leave with a song written by a very talented person. For free. For free, because they're just going to only get a percentage of your song. It's a really rough deal. The writers are playing a lottery where the song has to go and then they get paid because they have the owner. Is this like Rebecca Black Friday?

Was that what that was? No, that was like through a service. That's why it was so out of touch. But let's say you're a real person moving here. You signed to some management or someone who knows what the fuck's doing. The first thing they're going to do is getting to these sessions. And you'll make an album. You'll just go to people's houses and hang out.

And I know tons of girls and guys who've done this. And it's like, it's just like, it's just the economy of just like tons of people make albums this way. And like really tons of people making out with you. Because it's like you don't need to record a drum kit or anything. You just go there, like, doodoo, do, do, do, you know. So to quote another, I'll guest at the podcast, Josh Middleton from Tylosis, when I said, I was talking about something. I was talking about AI, and then he was just like, yeah, I just write it.

And I was like, wow, like analog AI. And he just looked me deadpan in the eye and he went, just die. Yeah, yeah. I fucking lost my mind. My issue at AI, I'm on the AI thing. Get off it because it's not about your album at all. Yeah, yeah. It comes out in a reunion, it's fine.

My issue is like. they sold the AI theoretically as like, automate the banks, automate all the bullshit, so everyone can live a luxury communist life. That was the idea. And then it was just like,

you know what we're going to do with AI? Art first. Art first. Yeah, it's really funny. It's like, wait, you know, Einstein, he was like,

technology, I forgot the quote is, but like when we can advance, everything will just be art and science. All the bullshit's taken care of by a robot. Yeah. And then we just have, we preserve science.

pursue art. And then the first thing, like art number one. However, here's the thing, the AI. It's a lot like crypto, though. Obviously, the technology is crazy and it's going to change the world. But a lot of it is kind of bullshit. If you're on Twitter all day, they'll be like, AI did this. It's like, it did not do that. They just lie. Like it's like, it's like, that's just computer. Invest in this AI startup, do this or this is doing this because of AI. It's like, it's kind of crypto. It's like, this coin will do this to do this. It's like, why should just not use the coin and just do that? Like, it's this extra inumerity area. So like a huge part of it is like a boom to invest in whatever fly by night thing.

Obviously, yes, these language models are pretty nuts. And obviously this image generation is nuts and like all the stuff is around the corner. But there's all this stuff that people aren't seeing going. Like they're so complicated. We don't know how they work. They're getting trained off themselves. And there's also this possibility that the internet will just become unusable because of so many fucking bots. We already, I think we're already like 70% the internet supposedly is just all bots just talking to each other.

It's already pretty fucking unusable. Yeah. It's pretty bad. So it's like it's totally conceivable that like in. whatever five years or X-years that you just the internet just is just too shitty to use which is really tickles me that's like the funniest outcome in the world it would be kind of sick like if we're just like hey I got to give you a zine to go see my show I would love it because the internet sucks like how funny would that be we're like the last the last generation that were in music pre-internet like I was

playing like I had a fucking GeoCity's website but it wasn't like it was CDs and fucking all that shit. I made a GeoCities website. Wow, we're really getting old dating ourselves here. But I made a GioCities website as a Dead Kennedys fan page. So sick. It was Dead Kennedys and Crucifax. Crucifax are my favorite, but I figured Dead Kennedys to get more traffic.

I did Dead Kennesies and Crucifax. I hate to bore these people because they like metal. However, Jello Buy for a Dead Kennedy split. Thoughts? What, you mean like, you mean like from like 40 years ago? I was in like, so, I mean, I don't know if I can fucking say this. I'm going to say it anyway. Like they, they fucked him when he. Yes. And then they did the tours of the other singer, yeah. Yeah. Jello came to our show in 2019 in San Francisco. That's fucking awesome.

Yeah, 2019. Yeah, yeah. And he came and hung out. And it's just a weird thing. It's like literally my childhood hero. Yeah. He hears them. And he just hung out the whole fucking time. And he had like, you know, cleared a six-pack with me in the guys the venue. you're like, oh, it's Jello, he never leaves. That's fucking incredible. That would be literally, like, bucket of the shit for me. He just hangs out. He'll just go to the show and just hang out. And he's just like, he'll be like the last guy to leave.

Like, he loves the social, you know, contact. He's great. That's fucking awesome. They, they, like, I can't remember it was like cherry red or something. They reread. That was the, I think that was whatever, the UK label that they worked through. There's all these, you know, all the punk guys. I used to work there.

Really? Okay. I always, you know, I would just read about this punk stuff as a kid on the internet and like cherry red and X, X label, this label, whatever, you know, stuff you don't really know. I have a fucking bootleg, not bootleg, sorry. I have an original pressing of let them eat jelly beans. It's like, I'll turn it to tentacles like four. And it's like a comp with like black flag and like, uh, the Canadian subhumans.

It's amazing. It's really, oh, I was in like, I was in, you made your GeoCity's website. Yeah. On Dead Kennedys, my first band was just like Dead Kennedys worship. That dead guy's a band, the suckups. And it was just political punk just fucking ripped straight. It's really funny to be like when you're like a kid to make political punk. Oh yeah, exactly.

What fucking problem than I have. You're like, fuck the system. I was so in Dead Kennedies. We hilarious at these really dated issues. I'm like, fuck MTV. And it's like that album came out in 1981. You know, it's like, it's just ridiculous. We like, because obviously,

Stray is like super fucking political. But it's like we shot ourselves in the foot a little bit in 20, I guess it came out in 2017. But like the events of 2016, and 2017 were just so fucking, there was so much going on that we like dated that album immediately because everything,

everything was just like, people's fucking names and whatever. And then now no one gives a fuck that. The album is just like, you listen to him. It's like, who? Like fucking Pessie DeVos.

What are you fucking talking about? That's fucking amazing. We've got to talk about rap wars. Oh, definitely. You know, actually, speaking back to Jello, Dead Kennies is the band

that got me in the music. I didn't really care about music before and an older friend. and sent me a cassette tape with the dead kennedy's on one side, Sonic Youth and the other. And I put in the dead Kennedy side. And like, I didn't even understand it. And like about like 10 minutes in, I was like, I feel like I want to break shit. I feel crazy.

And I'm like, oh. Do you remember what record it was? He made a cop. He did it. He did a best of. So he, you know, hand did it. And it opened with fucking police truck. No, sorry, open terminal preppy.

And then by the time I heard police truck, I was like, I think I love music. Like, I'm like, what is punk? And I started really getting into it, you know. Police truck was was the one. Holiday in Cambodia was like the first one I heard and then police trucked the same was just fresh fruit in general was like

I haven't heard these noises like I heard the clash and punk and shit like that I haven't heard these noises surf guitar it's all cool and this weird voice it's so fucking cool I think police truck's on that's on the comp that's on a give me convenience or give a death I think

I don't think it's on the first album it's not on fresh fruit it's been a while I think it's only on the comp it could be wrong But yeah. California, Uber Alas. California is. And here we are in California.

Uber Alas. Great fight. If you didn't listen, there isn't kids. Dead Kennedys. But only Jello, dead Kennedys. Did they ever put any albums? I don't think so. But we just toured.

We paid a fest with them. And like, I went to watch it because obviously I'd never seen them with Jello. But I saw Jellos. I saw Jellas solo. I can't mean what it was called. Yeah, with the Guantanamo School of Medicine. That was the one. And they were fucking great.

Yeah, yeah. But then I saw Dead Kennedys, and it was literally like, I think they did have a song that was, I don't know if they ever put a song out. I don't care either. But like, and he was just on stage, it was like a weird jello impression. And it was like, you got to get off the Twitter. It was like, it fucking sucked. It was so bad.

We're killing people with this old person's talk. Oh, sorry, sorry. Oh, wait, sorry. Sorry, last thing on that, we played a rock festival in Sacramento, Aftershock, you probably played it. Some of the Piles came on. I'm like, man, some double pilots. I'm like, wait a second, that guy's dead.

The new guy sounds exactly like him. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fucking like, who else? You know, not dead, but the journey guy. Is he dead? The journey guy, good? Arnale Panetta.

Yeah. Sounds amazing. It's fucking unbelievable. You know what's funny? Third, maybe fourth episode in the row that I've been drinking Corona. But not this, though. What is this? Corona.

Fucking sponsor me. This makes all the difference. So Corona Familia are is the special, like, it's an old recipe in a brown bottle, and they only sell it in specific markets. It's 10 times better. And obviously, the funny thing is, the funny thing is Corona's popular in England. And the clear bottle, by the time it gets there, it tastes like shit in Europe, like dog shit. Really?

And this is, it's just because, you know, the light gets in. That's why brown bottles are just better. Oh, my God. I didn't even think of that. UV fucking shit up. But it's part of their brand. to have the clear bottle looks so good. So the coronas in Europe are just doggashita.

But here, you can get in L.A. and in Mexico and a handful of places where there's a lot of Hispanic population. You can get Corona Familia, which is so good. This is my favorite beer, you know. It's great. It's got a real, like, okay. Well, an alee taste to it. There's like actual beer taste rather than like lager. I love a lager.

I mean, I love Mexican beer. you know. Well, and this is great too. There's not, let's not forget the ranch water. I love ranch water. You're going to lose weight with this thing. I really want these guys. I want to be, it's hard. I wish they had it everywhere. You know what that tastes like? No offense to ranch water, because I'm quite into it. But if you're just listening to this on the audio, you're a fucking idiot, by the way, because this is entertaining, visual comedy.

It tastes like. Well, this is a flavor. It's basically a seltzer for men. It tastes like the smell. Hey, I like selzer. It tastes like the smell of like, sun tan cream. Well, it's a prickly pair of cactus. It smells like I'm on a beach. Anyway, no, no, you know what it fucking smells like?

This is going to, this is, yeah, I'm going to docks my boogie skincare routine. Oh my God. It smells like into mine's facial cleanser from ESOP. Oh, wow. Oh, you're a fancy boy. I seem like a fancy boy. I'm trying to stay, trying to stay young. I got rigorous facial routine.

I don't do anything I should do And I don't work out or anything Oh, I need to But I've been on this Jank podcast Like I'm taking NMN and a fucking spermadine And phasatin and shit like that Wait, what the fuck? All of those, I don't know why any of those are

This dude on a podcast Apparently, I mean, I'll tell you one thing from Anecdotal evidence, which is obviously highly unscientific If I take NMN every day, which I do, I take a G to the face in the morning, NMN NMN N, N, N, who is it? Nuclear, mono,

Oh, no, that's a long, you know, scientific name. My anecdotal evidence is supposed to help you create more of this. I'll just send you this podcast. It's very complicated. This sounds very heavens, gay. Yeah, but anyway, you take it in my, what's I called? Anacthal elephants, all my hangovers are 30% less. And I just feel better.

And so, like, that's my only big, in terms of like, when you're younger, drinking doesn't hit you as hard. Having an amendment taking it regularly, all hangovers are 30% less. So in my head, I'm like, I think that's working because you really notice how hangar as screw you. It's the same thing as NAC. It's NAD. NED you mean?

But yeah, I've got NAC which I take for liver health, which does the same thing. Possibly. They're all kind of related, but it, man, it's very complicated.

This is such podcast shit. His total podcast. It's probably bullshit. This guy's on one meal a day. And I did that for a while and I followed his regimen. I'm still taking, when there's hilarious one, I'm taking spermidine.

It's a fucking cum supplement. Motherfucker at MIT discovered crystals in his own cum. And everyone's like, fuck you, we're not drinking where I eat in your cum. But anyway, they found it to synthesize

from wheat germ. Okay. But that's not the important one. No, well, the only one of the, come metal is the most important one. Yeah,

I'm literally taking cum supplement. What happens to, is it for cum? No, just, it's like, just good, good for you,

whatever, the only one I, good for you, whatever is not an answer. The only, the only one, the only, listen, it's all anecdotal.

I can't believe in this stuff. And like, but why are you taking the cum one? What's, What is anecdotally? I'm following this motherfucker. This weird dude, Harvard scientists of a aging guy.

It's his routine. So I'm, sorry, whoops. I copied his whole routine. Give me the routine. I'm sending to you. Oh,

you want to tell you to? Yeah, tell me. Well, so he, I, I lightened up on it because everyone was getting

really pissed at me because I was only one meal a day. Yeah, because you only ate one meal a day. That's not fucking science. But I kept it off.

I've kept it off and so I'm like, I didn't realize. I'm like, why don't tell him got so fucking fat. But so I like that. You look thin, my brother.

Because I lost it. I lost it. I was actually kind of, because I was skinny most of my life. I got kind of pandemic, sat in the home. Oh, big time. On the computer crushing beers all day. I got pretty chunky. Or at least chunky for myself.

But anyway, he gets up in the morning on an empty stomach. He takes NMN, Fesatan, Quercatan, and Spermodyne. And then he eats a tiny bit of yogurt, like a spoonful to take reservatrol. And that's basically the, gist of his, his stuff. And then later in the day when he eats his meal, he'll take like a vitamin D and a vitamin K. But what are the supposed benefits? So his whole thing is like basically when your body's under stress, like it's similar like when you have extreme temperature things or when you're fasting and you're starving or when you exercise really hard, you're kind

of stressing your body out. And it's called like, I'm going to butcher this. Listen, I'm not, I listen to a podcast and copied it. You're a podcast guy now. But you get this, this, this sirtuins. These sirtuins and basically your body starts slacking off once and it knows it can slack off. We live in this environment where we have food all the time. We get whatever we want. We always have everything temperature controlled.

So our bodies are just like kind of like relaxing and we're like aging more. So if your body is put to work, you age way less. And if you look at him, he looks a lot younger than he should be. And he's like not really like he's not an exercise guy. He's not a guru. He's like it's tiny, skinny, like scientist guy, you know? So he'll, you know, listen to him and send you the thing. He talks about it.

But the bedrock of his whole theory is NMN. And then so when you're younger, you, you, NMN is a precursor to NAD, whatever, some molecule, you create a lot when you're younger and you start losing that over time. So it's like putting in your system to create it. So for my anecdotal evidence, I feel like 30% less hangover with it, which is pretty good. But that's it. No, I feel good. I feel really good.

Okay. Now, however, all the other stuff, I don't know the difference. Because I'm into biohacking stuff real big time. Yeah. But like that is a first for me hearing any of those. Really? Okay. If NAD and NAC are the same thing.

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He's kind of a weirdo. He's kind of a weirder. He stopped. He's kind of a fucking weird. We need to talk about your fucking album. Oh, yeah, sorry. Oh, other thing is I eat hyleronic acid. Makes your skin.

You eat it. I eat it. That's in my skincare. That's fine. It works in your skincare too. It's great to eat it. Great to eat that. Yeah.

So I eat the bills too. Isn't it insane that I said that this smelled like a moisturizer? We went down the fucking. Sorry, I don't use the eye. No, it's good. I'm a lazy person. I don't use the Neboisreiser and I was working out

I need to get back into you're gonna be I'll work out with you you're gonna be How much can I bench? How much can I bench? I don't do like a single I could do

probably right now my best ever was 12 reps out of 225 but I never like I used to do like I want to lift as much as possible and I'm like I just want to look fucking sick so I just lift things multiple times do you when you drum live

do you play your shirt off? not for that reason though you know what I was roasting I was roasting someone recently for having their show off it was a singer and it wasn't even roasting I was like this motherfucker right here

and then someone just called me out immediately like I'm sorry what and I was like holy shit yeah and you know what it is it's because I don't do it because I did it when I was fat as well like it just I'm not well you're not ruining fucking 10 t-shirts in two days

like sound check all this fucking shit like I'm not doing it so yeah yeah the only thing I only recently started doing though when we're headlining is I will step on the stage and before the first song starts I'll take it off whereas before I was like you can't do that that's fucking wait what do you mean before this like you get on the stage and so I've been see you take it off well yeah because I don't want to come on the stage with a shirt off I guess it's I guess kind of a logical, like, why is a shirt off? Exactly. But then...

But why is it before the first song? Isn't that even weirder? Should it be like, you're playing one song, you're like, fuck him so hot and take it off? So that's what I used to do. It used to be, we... You're still ruining a shirt. A three-song block where I'm wearing a shirt. And narratively, that makes sense.

And you know what? Subconsciously, I've never said this out loud. If we're supporting, I'll wear the shirt for the first block of music and then I'll take it off. But if we're headlining, it comes off before you back. Because you got so worked out watching the opener, you're like, No, I don't know. I think, and honestly, this is like therapy. I think, I think when I'm headlining, I'm like, this is my fucking show.

Yeah, my, I didn't even put on a shirt today because this is my show. Fuck you. And then, and then I think if I'm supporting, then I'm like, this is a really weird internal, uh, this is like I'm having therapy right now. I'm like, if I'm supporting, it's like, if I had a support man and the drummer was doing it. Who the fuck does this guy think he did this guy? Really? You think he'd be pissed?

Because he'd be upstaging you? No, I guess not. No, I guess not. No, but that's the thing. I love the thought of being an uptight headliner. You're like, yo, bro, your drama's got to keep a shirt off. You're upstaging us, bro. That's bullshit.

Like, you guys got turned down. Yeah, no, yeah. Like, you guys can be the same volume as us, but your drama's fucking jacked. Yeah, yeah. Put a fucking shirt on that drummer. Or just asking the T. Like, is there any way you can, you know, they talk to him? Like, how they do it with the sound guy.

He's always the TN that has to go. go and be like, you guys are going to have to cut by 2 dB. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, fuck that shit. Your drummer's going to have to wear. Yeah, yeah. Your drummer's going to have to wear a t-shirt. We've got to talk about your fucking album.

Sorry. Rap Wars. Rat Wars. The fuck does Rat Wars mean? Funny enough, Rat Wars is a song on our previous album, Volume 4. And we had this issue where we're just struggling to rename this album. And I had all these names that I was really into. And I'm sending him to Jake.

And Jake's like, dude, this is not, these names are not communicating. We need to commute this album. It's like, they're not hard enough. And then he was giving me these names and I'm like, well, I don't like those even. And so we're like, what the fuck are we can do? Can you give me any of the? Well, I wanted to call it, you are not alone and the parentheses on the not. And so it was like a double thing.

You were not alone. Is it the old term we had for these parties we did in LA and the scene back then? And it was sort of like, and it's also from the neon genesis Evangelian reboot. So it has this weird like double meaning. I look great in the art. And I was all about it. And Joe, who I work with these like, he's like, I created recordies behind the scenes guy. We were all about it, had all the art.

And Jake's like, dude, that like, that sounds like this album's hard. Like it doesn't sound hard. It's not going to look right. You know, we have this black, stark artwork. Like, we do something harder. Then he was giving names. I'm like, I wasn't feeling those. They were kind of going back and forth.

And Jake's just like, man, we fucked up. We should have called it. Like, we should call the last album Rat Wars. Like, same we already used that title Rat Wars. I'm like, yeah, that's so good. It's so good. And then we're listening to the doors. It's waiting for the sun.

Waiting for the Sun, the song is on the album, Morrison Hotel. With the album Waiting for the Sun came out two albums previously. And the album's called Waiting for the Sun there. I'm like, fuck, man. Doris did it. Why don't we just do it? Jake's like, yeah, let's just do it. And no one bad at a fucking eyelid.

No, no. People who didn't, the label didn't even notice. And it's just a good name. We've had this before where like, we can't have the album cover. And the artwork I did for the album cover, I already put on a T-shirt two years ago. But we don't have better art. So for God's sake, let's reuse that T-shirt art and make the album cover. You know, and we've done that like, I don't know, three, four times out.

The art for Rat Wars even was already on a T-shirt. shirt two years ago too. Same thing happened. Same thing happened. Death magic. Same thing happened with volume four. It's just like, but all your shit has such a specific style, which is like, you wouldn't, you'd be forgiven for going like, oh, that's just health. You know what I mean? Not like, oh, that's health because they already fucking used it. Yeah, no one's ever complained. You have the, it has the vibe. Love the fucking, what was the name? Oh, sorry, RaWor. So the reason the name, it's like, we want to present something that's like, it's very dystopian, you know, and like we felt like, you know, like certain areas, like,

this is all our music's always been like sci-fi dystopian. Yeah. And it sort of started with like when we are more live instrumentation is like Mad Max primitive and sort of grown and like into the volume form. We're sort of growing the cyberpunk era and this era. And like now we're in the grim dark. We're in the Warhammer 40K territory. So it's like rat wars sounds literary.

Rat Wars like scavin. It's just like, you know, just very bleak dystopian. And it's like you want to just give that that weird visual image or just, you know, when the word, you know, you see this album more rat wars. If you just came across in the record story, you're like, what's this? What is this? Rat Wars is like, it sounds like a 2000 AD comic. Exactly.

And what is Judge Redd? That's 40K ripped all that shit out. It's Grimdard. It's like that super dystop. You're a 40K guy as well. Huge. What are we doing late? Oh, shit, I was word.

I have a fucking Blood Angels pendant. I was word of this thing. So sick. I used to be, like, when I was a kid, I was all the fucking about it. And then something broke in my. brain and the patience for painting left. So I've broken the cycle. So actually basically, I had it when I was a kid.

Probably we had the same same thing. It's, yeah, it's fucking insane. It's like designer clothes for nerds. It's super expensive. It's painting. I was never good at painting. Like, I don't fucking tread. I'm fucking terrible at any motor skill shit.

I have, I pay one of my fans to paint all the minchers. So I bought the last two boxes. I have fully gorgeously painted Blood Angels armies that he painted. It's worth every penny. That's fucking awesome. cheaper than these fucking Rick Owens boots. I'll tell you that, you know. Respect, though. I think that might be the third episode in a row that Rick Owens has been mentioned as well. But just, just do it. I mean, like, you know.

LA, just an LA thing. No, I mean, you know, but like, you know, at 40K, it's like, it's like, it's like designer, it's like Rick Owens for nerds, you know? It's like, it's the top tier of ultra nerddom. So it's amazing to have him fucking painted. He assembles them, send it to him. I'll shout him out, uh, Comic Boy Studios. Hire him if you want to paint your shit. I literally might get me to pay my shit. Because my girlfriend then bought me. because I was talking about it. She bought me a kit. And it was like...

The new one? The new one, Leviathan. Yeah, I just don't have... What was your army? The brain. I did chaos space marines. That's awesome. What faction though?

I can't even fucking remember. I couldn't even fucking remember. It was probably a super long time ago. I love the second edition like that late 90s. Yeah. It's the coolest thing. It would have been like fucking... I would have been like mid-to-late 90s.

Yeah, so that would be... Probably second edition. Yeah. Yeah. All that artwork, just basically the fucking bolt thrower artwork. That's the thing. Yeah, bolt thrower. Yeah, yeah.

That is that era. I had a gigantic, they only sold like an Excel, and the Excel was actually like to my knees. And of the, I had the Blood Angels guy and the Imperium symbol. And they was so big. And I just meant to work to school and just got made fun of. But I was like so pumped. I was like 40K. I wish I could find that fucking shirt to be the coolest shit in the world now.

I do the same thing. I have one shirt that I can't remember where it is. I got, my friend went to the Inception prim. I've got an Inception T-shirt and it had just like just the little spinning top thing. So that's a thing in LA. People who work on crew for movies, you get the swag.

So you get like the jack. They'll give you like a baseball jacket with like Jurassic Park or whatever, Drusk World. And like it's a whole thing where you can collect them if you go to thrift stores. So people have them all the live long day. Well, the best thing they have like these polos and just says the dark night. It's really funny. I got a,

right, I mean we're still not talking about your album, but I need to get this fucking Warhammer story out. which I believe this is what is it, the statute of limitations is gone by now. What you like to rape a Warhammer figure or something? No, nothing that bad. But the thing is my parents watch the podcast,

so I'm going to fucking, I can't get arrested now. No. When I was a kid, there was this one time. I know my mom and dad are going to watch this. Like, I'm talking like child.

I was a child. Warhammer, in games workshop. like you said. Oh, because you have the real games workshop stores in England. Yeah, yeah. It's from there.

In Games Workshop and like the shit's fucking expensive. It's absurd. And like you said, Rick Owens for nerds. Well, here's what I hate about, sorry,

the interesting. Who does this appeal to? Young teenage boys. You see this. It's the coolest thing in the world. You can't afford it. So everyone playing is fucking 40 years old. Yeah.

What kind of bullshit is that? So what I did was, I like, me and my friend had this fucking system because all of the things on the walls were just like, there were like racks outwards and, you know, like a little... The blister pack. The little blister pack.

It just had to be on a rack. So we would go through the store finding everything we wanted, all of the generals, all of the, like, because the blister pack's this big, but it's like fucking 80 bucks or whatever. Find everything we wanted. Move it to one rack and then buy White Dwarf magazine because the bag was big enough.

And before we left, hook it under the rack and fucking take the whole fucking rack. Holy shit. So you take like 12 blister packs? Damn. Oh, can I get arrested for that after the fact? No, you're fine. That was a child.

I mean, that's pretty awesome. The pewter ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a lot of good shit. My buddy, I had this, the guy who got me into punk, he was a bad kid. So we went to, my mom would do this thing. This is really funny because my mom would just drop us off at the game store. And we just walk around the shelves for three fucking hours.

and like, you know, and he would just be like the whole time he was, eventually he just like, grab the whole space marine pack and just put these these big baggy pants. Make it fucking cheaper and we don't have to steal it as children. It's fucking like, then they move to plastic. I'm like, oh, it'll get cheaper. It's like, no, it's like, oh, fuck you. This shit costs like pennies.

Yeah, literal pennies. That's like people are three-d printing the fuck out of it, you know? Are they? Oh, yeah, it's crazy. That's kind of sick, though. It's a little bit level of detail. We're not fully there, but like, if you print something big or people are still doing it or people do this thing where they recast it, like they put like,

goo around it and they just make copies of it. And like people are wild. They bootleg Warhammer up the Indian Yang. No one even think about doing it if it was a more reasonable price. Yeah, 100%. I mean, the profit margin is just absurd. Are they, I don't know, it's a fucking Warhammer podcast now.

Are they like still making classic shit? Because that would be a bootleg because I, I buy a lot of bootleg t-shirts. So there's, there is, the band fucking printed that shirt. There's all like, you know, there's all those communities for all the stuff. But here's the thing that man, the minis like they keep, it's that thing. too. It's like I look back at the old minis where I like,

because I used to buy the, not just the white dwarf, they used to give it with the free catalog and I just flipped through them. It's like, they don't, like, you remember them differently. Like the minis just keep getting better and better and better. And like the new, the new set, I was like, fuck, these terminators are so tight and they're, and they're taller. I didn't know Space Marines are supposed to be taller than a regular person. I never knew that as a kid.

And like, now they're at whatever true scale. They're fucking huge. Wait, they're like this bit. Well, because Space Brings are supposed to be taller than regular people. I didn't know this. No. And they never were in the minis. so they made it that way.

They made it this stupid lore reason, whatever. But now they have the minis. Like, the new Terminators are fucking huge. Like, they're like this.

And they look fucking awesome. That's fucking awesome. I had Eldar as well. Eldar, yeah. Anyway, we really need to fucking get off this nerd shit. I haven't,

I've asked you one fucking question about your album. How'd you write a song? How does it happen? So we don't have a formula. There's, if we broke on the album, I could be like, oh, that's a Jake song.

Or that's a John song. Or there's like, or I'd be like, oh, that's a song that we started together in the studio or like or from something else. So much for our career we did like fucking shot ourselves in the foot trying to be not referential trying to be more unique or like not doing something than someone else to do. And more and more we've been like we need like we realize like we have to send the message.

Like in volume four like we have to add distorted like we have to add metal guitars so metal people understand where we're we're out in the zone. And like for this is like there's kind of an industrial metal checklist. Like we need to make these connections that people fucking get where we fit in this sort of thing. So there's very intentional stuff. that's very referential on rat wars, you know? There's, is there anything that's like not specifically like industrial metal? Because when I was listening to it and when I've been listening to it, there's like,

you know when you get deja vu, but you can't remember what the deja vu is of? That's every time I get deja vu. So there's, oh, I mean, I guess it's by definition. But like, there's moments in it where I'm like, I feel like I know what influence this, but I can't put my fucking. finger on what it is. I mean, definitely. And there's like, you know, stuff, all kinds of stuff we're listening to. And certain things on the record are like deliberately very referential. You know, we've kind of loosened up and people like that. But a lot of stuff, too, the influences are

very modern. Like Sierra's on there. You know, EBSM, which I consider sort of this modern update of EBM that's happening now that in Europe, which I'm very into, very influential on the record. We saw ourselves as like a parallel movement. It's like, well, we're doing neo-industrial. We're doing this very modern Sonic's version of Industrial for it right now, you know?

I think that's why I love it so much because I like, I love the bands that I love in industrial, but then there's a lot of shit I don't like because it hasn't been brought up to date where my brain is at.

Do you know what I mean? Oh, definitely. You know, LA has this incredible scene. We have, you know, I call the New Goff scene

and so many great artists, but like everyone has, because we have the technology now On 2000, people are trying to do this. Like, you can just perfectly replicate an era. So we have just all these bands that sound exactly like they came on in 1985. Like exactly. And they're just as cool.

They have all the stuff. They look cool as fuck. And they have an awesome band name. And they're like, you know. But it's also weird because it's like I, and weirdly it works for Spotify because the algorithms. But like, I don't know this came out now, you know? Yeah.

So with us, it's like we've always been very concerned. Like a gimmick of just like, you know, using all the tools. tools we have, but also, we're kind of, you know, futuristic but retro. We love the classics. We love restraint. We love having some taste. You know, you can do anything in a computer. We don't, but we want, you know, we want that big sub-base. We want this modern transient. So I want to use every plugin I can get to if I can blow the shit out, you know. Do you write in the box? Like, is it plugins or are you outboard? Okay. So the whole album is, is basically in the box. But there's also stuff like, you know, there's certain songs where Jake has basically written

the whole song is a demo at his house and those are what I would call it a Jake song but then we completely redo all the production and then we work on it together and we end up changing the song from that point. There's ones where it's like I basically it's like who starts the demo and there's ones we start together or ones to do like totally collaboratively. So just so there's no there's no there's no formula or it's like I we're talking about an idea. We need to try to do this. And then we're in the studio like, okay, let's try and do this idea or this concept. And when we started the band,

it was all concepts. When we started the band, which is totally bizarre, I would just write sentences on paper with arrows. And I'd be like, guys, this is what I want to do. And they'd be like, John,

this isn't even musical. And we would just work through it. And that's why the first album was just like, oh, this is like ridiculous shit, you know? That's fucking cool. How did the, Justin Broderick,

Godflesh come about? So it was kind of sting or I was like, because we were listening to a lot of Goddush. I'm a big Godflesh guy. So we have a song, we left off the. album where like it's just total godflesh style and we're like we're really into it but then the last one we're like we're not sure it's going to be in the record we kept talk about so much

I'm like man we sampled the godflesh and it was kind of in my mind so we're at hellfest I was just drinking with them and I'm like holy shit I'm drinking with the guy from godflesh I'm like this like this guy's like dark weird like a guy you can never appropriate in but he's just like a normal british he's such a like just yeah super englishman And he wants to fucking drink. He's fun as fuck. And he's super pumped to meet me. Because he done a remix for us actually years before, too.

And I'm like, hey man. I'm like, is it cool? I just want to talk to you like, could I sample you on the next record? He's like, oh, sure. No problem. Like didn't even care. And I'm like, he's like, what song? I'm like, like, what's on?

Like rats. And I'm like, I was kind of where he's kind of like one that radio songs. He's like, oh, it's on Erek. I won't see a dime. Fuck those crooks. Yeah. People don't. Anyone who's on old Ereke.

Yeah. But I was listening to so much EREC making this record, not only listen to a lot of modern stuff like EBSM and like heavy electronic music. I got really, really into early 90s EREC. And I found this documentary that was a VHS documentary on YouTube where they do every band that was on EIC at the time. And they show that they interview them. And then they show them playing live. And then they also interviewed the label people. And it was the tightest shit in the world.

That's fucking sick. You ever hear the carcass story? the Sony swindle. No. Carcass. I don't even know if it's my place to say, but I'm going to fucking say it. Are we going to get trouble with this podcast?

No, I don't think so. So in like 1991 or whatever, Sony is like, that carcass is obviously already abandoned and Sony is like, death metal is going to be the next big thing. Here's a million pounds. Really?

To make heart work. That's the best one. And then they make it and Sony goes, ah, death metal is not going to be the biggest thing. Because of the fucking Jim Carrey movie? But probably I had... No way, that came out 93? I mean, no idea, but they probably...

It was probably just cannibal corpse that they were like, oh, this is going to be fucking big. I had the pull on the show and on the show and we just... Yeah, yeah, I watched that one today. But like, Sony was like... I might be fucking the numbers up, but Sony was like, here's a million pounds.

Death metal is going to be big. So tight. They record heartwork, whatever it costs. probably didn't cost a million. And then Sony goes, ah, death metal's not going to be big. You can keep the money.

And then E-Rate buys it for 300 grand. So they get like, again, I might be fucking numbers up. And again, I don't think this is fucking common. But they end up with like 1.3 million for a heartwork. And then,

it's the best album. And yeah, it's fucking sick. But like, that's kind of cool. I like a, like a swindle like, oh, hey, see,

death metal was going to be big. And they had so much money at that time that they were just like, oh, you can fucking keep the money. and then now they probably love that. Yeah, very, very different time of music biz. What do you, what kind of feel you like?

Anything. It's a terrible answer, isn't it? Anything you like it when you're in America? Bullshit, but I already had it in and out for lunch. Oh, that's great. Well, like, when I'm in your country, I'm like, I gotta get Nando's. Yeah, you fucking know. I love Nandoz.

I bought the sauce at home, so I can do it at home. So good. And I make the minty peas at home. How did you make the minty? It's really easy. You go on the online. I mean, so I buy a rotiss your chicken from Costco. I order the Nando's sauce online, and then I make the minty peas.

So you can get the medium and the spicy together. So good. What the fuck? That's how much I'm like that. Dude, you're like fucking mellow, dude. I showed mellow a Michalada. He liked someone who's tattooed the enchilada here. That's how much I love Nando's.

I do love Nandoz. And you know what's the best thing with that as well? Like, it was just done as a joke where we, we, like, we were just talking in and out. When I'm in the States, we'll go to in and out. We'll go. When we're in the UK, you got to go to fucking Nandos because it's everywhere. And it's so good. Love it.

So we just got one. It was like, what tour tattoo can we get? Let's get a Nando's thing. But it really fucking works. Because, like, you can be, there's no tables. And you're talking to like, you know, it's just some young kid. And you're like, oh, it's going to be about 15. Even like, it's going to be 30 minutes.

No, no, no, no. But you do it this way. It's the best way to do it. It's probably about 30 minute way. And then you go, if I went and got a Nando's tattoo, could we skip the line? And they go, yeah, of course you could. And then you've already got it. And they fucking, like, nine times out of 10, they do it.

It's just like mellow. I showed him Michelot and it was like, when I go to the bar, I just go like this. And I'm like, that's a stupid reason to get the tattoo.

I mean, try it. Have you got any tattoos? Yeah. Get a fucking nando's. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I only have one tattoo. I don't want to keep it that way.

What is it? It's, I have the from software logo tattooed on me. Nice. Game, gamer guy. Yeah, yeah.

Well, shit, we can't get sidetracked again. We got to, goddamn. People don't fucking care. People don't care. People will be,

people are on board by this point. Listen, I listened to like 10 of your podcast today and everything goes about like every drummer's warm for teen and how hard. Yeah, they don't care. Those episodes do terribly. Oh, really? No, they don't, they don't care. How about this?

I have a question for you. Oh. If you got in trouble, like, trouble, trouble, like, Craig, it's a big scandal. Scandal. Are you worried about being called like a paradiddler? I'm not fucking kids. Sorry, that was my joke you've had in your head. That was the whole fucking song.

Sorry, that's pretty shitty. Cut that one. That was terrible. No, keep that. No, I would never get in that trouble and have never got in that trouble, so I think I'm good. Okay. I think I could call, no, if I'd call myself, that would be pretty fucking terrible. Crack metal.

Yeah. Whole record with Stint? Stint produced the entire record. And you've worked with him before. We worked with him before. He worked on certain songs in Volume 4, and we worked on the songs Iverent with him. The way we actually work with Stint is it's actually more like we're co-writing with him. and then and he's made in the computer

and then sort of like traditional producer duties are not he doesn't it goes back at four so like what's great this was so great but this album is that he works in Ableton and I work in Ableton so other records

I would have to do all my stuff and then give it to the guy and now it's in Pro Tools and then to update this little things so for this album it was like we're just both in Ableton so I've been able to put so many like feiksen like this is the most feeksons every

fucking most what? Feiksen's? What the fuck is that? You know what Feiksen's this? No. You ever seen Eastpan done? I mean, yeah. Remember?

When they're like, oh, we got all the feeks? Like, no one has said, so fixins. It's the word fixans. No one said, no one said fixins. Ever since that show came out, it's become feikshins. Like, no one's ever said fixins ever again. Is it fucking Stevie that says that? Yeah.

We both said because we're going to have all the feces. Like, we're going to have the potato with the potato tits. The fact that you come straight in with that as if I'm supposed to know what it is. It's such an insane. It's such a. But it's such a deep cut. It's not a deep cut. Like, if you've seen it, you found out.

It's like fucking season two. It's actually season four. Exactly. That's a deep cut. It's not deep cut. I mean, well, here's the thing.

No one has ever, season four of anything in a deep cut. Even, even Drake says feiksen's. Like, you know, ever since. No way, really.

Yes. Obviously, he's closer to when it came out. And now we're like very past, but like, ever since it came out, no one has ever said fixins again. They're all feikshins.

Really? Well, even if you're at crackab barrel, you're trying to get some of it. Oh, yeah. Oh, you got the feeksons? You want the catfish with the fecesons? They love you for that. They ever know no fiexins?

Anyway, you know what I'm saying? Fixes. Easter eggs, extra stuff. Yeah, okay. So, like this album, because of both working Ableton, I had to put the most feikisans that you could put. Why would that, why is that exclusive to Ableton? It's not, I work in Pro Tools and Logic, so I don't know anything.

Well, it's just not that we're like, we're just going to bounce it out, you know? It's like, it's an I, when I compose, I work in Ableton, and it was great, the producers also working Ableton. There's all this shit. You know, Ableton, I think is so brilliant. Like automation and stuff. Automation, you know, like, you know, you have this heteroflexibility to be like to tempo change and all this stuff you can do because

we're both in Ableton. It's great. And that's why I think that really made a difference like in OnRat Wars. Nice. But where are we going, though, with Crack Metal? Sorry, we've got derog the feces. So the, so crack metal starts with pretty out their guitar. So here's the thing.

Crack metal is 98% guitar. free. What we did is we used a guitar only in certain parts, but we used the guitar to trigger a synth. It's like we're using this new plugin where you can meld sounds. So it's like a synth guitar and then we re-overdubbed guitar just in the choruses and it's really quiet just to get more note information. And then we did play the live bass in the in the choruses to do like the changes. but like the song is basically 98 or 95% guitar free. But VST guitar. VST is like a signal chain weird.

That's where I was going with it because I'm like, this sounds fucking weird. And then I went through the credits. And that's got Swarm on it. No, Swarm doesn't play on crack metal. Swarm plays on, Swarm plays on Demigods, Childem of Sorrow.

So Swarm, he's an EDM producer, a really brilliant guy. And we hit him up to do the, arpeggiated since and we're still working with him. I really love this guy. But he is, his favorite band the world's Romstein,

motherfucker can play guitar. Yeah. So I ended up hitting up. I thought it was him. So I ended up hitting him up. Like he plays, he plays a lot of the, other than Lamb of God,

Willie. And then obviously, like simple stuff like, we're playing, but like most of the metal guitar is actually played by him on the record, you know? Wait, Willie's on the record. Willie's, so a children of sorrow that that's Willie.

He wrote that. So I actually sent other songs to him, but those songs aren't on the record. So, um, because you collab after the collab. I stayed in contact to Willie and I'm like, hey man, like, you know, our previous circuiter just had a sample of these heavy guitars would you play some. Can I send you stuff? And he's like, oh, fuck yeah.

So I send him stuff. That song we sent back and forth and he played and he wrote this crazy ass riff and we put in there, you know. But he sent me the directs and we give a different processing than, you know, then, you know, then we got would have. So you always, if you'll mess around. Is it you personally that messes around with the shit or is it like a collab with the producer?

It just depends on what's going on. It just, just for that. For me, it was like, I'm the guy talking to Willie, so I've just been sending him. So we're on tour and I'm just sending him stuff. And I'm in the fucking bus just listening to whatever bounce. It's so interesting. But like, that's how we did the Lambagad collab. It was myself and Willie for the longest just sending emails of like piece by piece.

And then when we had it, we brought to everyone else. But like that's not, that's not the ML though. I don't want to give that impression. I read there really is no roadmap. Like something like, I'm learning. I'm learning. I'm ashamed is like Jake basically wrote the song. But then we just read it the production.

And then there's certain. So it's like there's really, there really is no, we don't have, we're not very sacred about it. And we all have veto power. So if someone really hates something, we all trust each other. So I'm like, all right, you're probably right, you know. Or if I really hate something, they're like, or well, if John's piss, this sucks, we're not going to work on it. It's like, we'll do it, you know? Who handles lyrics?

Is it all Jake? 100% Jake. I will, I'll interject if I hate a vowel sound or if I, or if I really have a problem with, like, a line, like, change it. But like, it's Jake's domain, you know? You don't ever have any. serious head butts. I mean, we fight ever once in a while, but like we're very quick to,

quick to anger, quick to forgiveness, you know, but we don't mostly fight and just like, listen, we've been like married for basically, like this time, you know,

all the time. You know, young marriage too, 22-ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's like, you know,

you get sick of each other, but we're fine. And we, we implicitly trust, trust each other. So, like, if Jake really hates something, he's probably right.

And if I really hate something, I'm probably right. You know, so we just, you trust each other. Do the collabs come from the other party or from you guys? So that also don't have a roadmap. The collabs are like, we have to think about someone we can work with.

Think will it work? And then also it's like, it's great with the collabs is like, they don't have this much time. And I can't get on the phone and tell this guy from this band I really love to do anything again. I wouldn't fucking do that. So whatever the fuck they do is what happens. And we have to work with it. Love that.

Which is amazing, though. Because then now it's like, all this pressure is off. It's like, we're making this song. happen no matter what i love i love that mentality and i have the same mentality with merch designs always it's like i picked because i don't ever do collabs really although when we when we get a guest vocalist it's always like we're picking this person because we love them and everything they do like trust their fucking process but like i'm the same way when i do merch designs i'm like i love this guy's designs do me a design here's the brief and they do it and i'm like sick i mean we're like listen like i'll give

notes up the in yang but with the collab i can't so for us it's very freeing with our own music we're worried about it you know like does this suck do we have to make this better is this bad is this lame are we copying this you know i'm gonna run you off some of these collabs all right for the benefit of the listeners just a few that i just pinched out we've already talked about lamb of god hundred geeks perturbitator got to say that right full of hell how'd the full of hell one come about A friend of ours who does our video, he's a, you know, aficionado of just extreme music. And he's like, oh, man, he's like, I'm really good friends of Full of Hell. It's like, I think it would be amazing.

You guys would be amazing. You guys? Oh, yeah, they like you guys. So, like, we hit them up, started talking. Send us to them when we did it. And it's really good. You know, I love, dude, man, we've been trying to fucking do a tour with those guys. But they, it's what I don't like about extreme, uh, heavy acts.

They tour too fucking much. Yeah. You can't get them like, like, you can't, we can't do tour together if you're going to tour in the same market two months later. like the fuck's a point you know just constantly going yeah godflesh obviously i want to know this for my personal i don't know if you've spoke about this on other podcasts i don't really listen to other podcasts how did the nine inch nail like obviously you tall with nine inch nails so that's all i got to give jake the credit for that it's we're all at home for covid and we're just like we kept doing these collabs and we're like we notice everyone's at home so like hey if we hit up someone so they'll

probably answer because they're bored and they all did and we're like holy shit all these people say yes to doing this and uh we realized COVID just kept going we're like fuck man we can't do an album without us being the same room and like i don't do this like let's just keep these collabs going so we did two collab albums and then jake's like what if i hit up trend i was like i wouldn't do that but if you want to and he did and he's like hey he's down i'm like what oh fuck you know it's like oh shit you know hold the phone that's like he's like fucking up there for me just fucking that would that would that would change my fucking life well i don't know how i could ever possibly collab with him but like well that's just that's the thing that's the thing that's the

the whole thing. It's like, it's just kind of, you know, it's kind of funny. It's like, we all were on a conference call. Everyone's in a different place. And it's, and then we send this thing back when you're kind of hearing it. It's like that, you know, he's like, oh, I had an idea. I recorded a voice. Like, oh, yeah, that's like a classic voice, like in the annals of music history, like one of the greatest rock voices. And you're like, and that's on my shit. And then also you feel weird because like we're having a collab and it's like, well, you know, I've got this idea. I want to ball bond. You're like, I'm really talking to some.

I, man who created the downward spiral. I've got an idea. You're like, listen, listen, buddy. Listen, bud. I've got a fucking idea here. Let's talk about games. Video games. Are you a gamer?

I'm trying so fucking hard to be a gamer. You don't really want to try. It's like, it's kind of like introducing like cocaine to your life or something. It's like it takes up a lot of time. Yeah, I used to love cocaine as well. Yeah. Well, not, let's fucking go kill you now. Yeah.

I mean, that's not what I started. Back to games. I did want to specifically ask about how did getting music in games happen because you've done Max Payne 3. Yeah, we've done, so we've done, so we have a song in GTA 5. We did the expansion, one of the many GTA online expansions, one called the Reno War. And then we've had songs in Cyberpunk 77 and then recently we had a song in Ultracill. And then we've had some other video game sinks too. But those are the major ones, I'd say.

Very lucky. I don't know. We're very close friends of the Rockstar guys now, but there's a guy who doesn't work there anymore. He had this, Andy, he had this incredibly, bizarrely inspired moment.

They were working the composer and it wasn't working. And they're like, what if we hired someone else to help this guy for the battle cues? We feel like the down cues are working, but we need someone to the battle cues. Like, what do you think? He's like, well, there's this band Health.

And he had our first two records. He's like, this vibe seems like it would fit the setting. a battle queue. So Max Payne, it's just like, you know, it's interactive. I played the first one and that was it. Well, basically, it's like when you're walking around, okay, actually, so here's the way the game worked, and all games are different, but this game worked

where they had six stems, interactive loops. And these stems can be recombined and go one to six to give you whatever emotion. So let's say it's just you walking around, well, that's a one. And that's just like ambient noise. But then two, it's like a little bit of drums and a little bit of extra melody. And then three, it gets a little heavier. Basically, so there's six things and you can jump, like it could be six in one or six and two, these six looping things because everyone who plays the game is a different length of time.

One guy takes one minute, one guy takes ten minutes. So this guy, they liked his down music, but they didn't like his battle cues. So in this bizarre inspiration, they thought of us. And someone reached out, they're like, hey, Rocks for Game's wants to take us to lunch. You guys are in New York. And we're like, really? And I had just gotten back into video games because. of the Red Dead Redemption commercial.

So I just bought a PS3 just on this fucking whim. Because of the commercial. It was two things. I had this desire and longing to like, my favorite games in the world is like Balders Gate 1 and 2.

I'm like, is there a new Balders Gate? And there's this game, Dragon Age with like, this is the new Baldurge Gate. Then I saw this fucking Red Dead Redemption commercial. And then my buddy had this PS3. I'm like,

fuck man, I think I'm just going to get a fucking. I'm buying a PS3. So I bought a PS3 on TV, put it in my place. And I'm playing it. and then we get this request to meet Rockster games. And in my head, I'm like, what if they ask this to score a game?

But then I'm like, no, that's bullshit. They're probably asking us to put a song in GTA, whatever. But even that would be cool. Yeah, still, not bullshit. But in my head, I'm like, what do they ask the score a game? Because I was playing these games. The Rockshire games, I was playing Red Dead Redemption 1. And I'm like, the music is so fucking cool.

It's this total any or more a conny reference. Like, these guys are awesome. I can't believe how badass and tasteful this is. And then I was playing. And so then I did that. I meet them. They're like, what are you going to say about scoring game? And I'm like, did I manifest this?

This is like the fucking secret. 100 you did. I was like, I just thought of it. Like, what kind of bullshit is this? And so it really was. So we were supposed to supplement this other guy. The other guys aren't gamers. But I just had really been in and I'm like, let's go above me on.

They gave us two video captures or two videos. I'm like, let's do the whole like level. And so we did two full levels. I mean, you know, so and delivered. And then they really liked it. And we started working. And then we just took over the project because they weren't actually happy with the other guy.

That's the only reason we were called in the first place. fucking awesome. So it was a long, it was a very long process. And like, it's just really hilarious how green we were. Cause like we had no idea. Like we were not seasoned enough. We had only written basically like fucking 42 minutes of music in our entire career. You know, every there are no B sides from early health. Every single thing we wrote is on the record. And the second album only has nine tracks. And the first album has 11 tracks. And this shit is like barely music. So it's just, we're just really lucky. And it. And it worked out. And we're lucky we weren't fired and actually totally worked out. Like we worked on it for a year and a half, you know. It's such a cool correlation. Just finding out how many people in games are into like heavy or like alternative music. Well, here's the thing. Everyone just plays games, you know? It's like, it's like, it's like Tourinator 2. Yeah.

It's like everyone in heavy, everyone in metal watched Terminator 2. Yep. Every single person. Literally it. Everyone in metal played, you know, whatever, Grand Theft Auto X. I did a, I did a collab. So there's a thing that I do with the downbeat was sometimes someone's got a record coming out. we'll do an alternative cover and it's always like because i i just wanted to do it for my band

and it carried on because my band i can't have insane death metal artwork because we're not a death metal band so we did like a limited downbeat variant of our record where i can i always use the same guy as kind of koki greenway his name is he does like aborted and stuff like that just insane death metal artwork and we do like an insane idea and it becomes like a vinyl variant and we did one with dying wish their album was called symptoms of survival and I was like

okay and it was when walking dead not walking dead when fucking the last of us was the show was popping off and I was like okay well let's just think of something dumb we came up with something dumb and it had a clicker in the artwork and then it comes out or whatever and then I get a DM

from a guy like a lead designer from naughty dog and he was just like hey man just let me know next time you want to and he wasn't like telling me off he was just like it'd have been cool to like have a part of that and i was like i didn't even expect that to reach you i go to a lot of video game events and like they're very aware and they they love him music or like i had some guys from epic games like they came to my house and we did karaoke and the guy just belting out and i'm like clearly this guy was in a fucking metal band like he didn't sing like axel rose

just like he ended up going into the game so like you know everyone loves music have you got more on the horizon that you can talk about after video games? Yeah. Well, we have a weird video game collab, but it's not really in the game, and it's going to come out hopefully next month. But it's like, it's kind of abstract. I don't even know how to describe it, but it's not like in the game. We would actually love more than anything like, we always dreamed to do a movie, but now, like, we would just like to do another big game.

Score my movie. Score my movie. Oh, sure. You don't want to score your own movie? No. It would just be, you know, fully nude. just covered in blood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds great.

I'll do it. Yeah, thank you. But yeah, I don't know. So, yeah, we'd love to do a game more than anything. Obviously, like, being a band is number one. But we want to score, like, a very serious game. A full game. Action or sci-fi, I think it's most appropriate.

But, yeah, we, you know, especially now, like, we were so green then. It would be so much better now at doing it, you know. What would be the dream game? You're not going to get boldest gate for it. No, no, no, they got their own guy. They work with their guy. Larry, and also that show will take, like, 10 fucking years. I think it was just something action and sci-fi, you know, like, I want to replace anybody.

Like, obviously, my favorite, like, from software is my shit, but I'll record six is the best music. I don't want to replace that guy. It's something just like, you know, something that would be great, something that's narrative, narrative RPG, RPG would be amazing, just action or sci-fi, you know? I'm trying so hard. It's been a topic on this podcast all the time. I'm trying so hard to get back into gaming because I have some downtime.

It is the biggest time suck in the world, so I don't know why you'd want to. No, because I have down. time and I just, if I don't, if I have downtime, I go and fucking work and I then get. That sounds amazing. I was working. Overwork and burnt. No, I get overworked and burnt out. And I'm like, if I sat and wasted some time, it would then give.

Did you use play games before? I was obsessed until. What were your games? Mostly like, I like CS1.1. Cs. 1.6 multiplayer like. I mean, there is multiplayer with the yin yang all day. So, yeah, I can do, I can do that.

But what I used, like, I think maybe when I checked out single player was like, fuck, maybe even, I don't think I had a console between Dreamcast and PS4. So, like, I didn't have fucking anything. So, like, I was the same until PS3, so just one generation. So PS, um, I'd say Metal Gear Solid. Metal Gear Solid was like any of the Metal Gear Solid were my last single player.

And I did play five. So you've never played Dark Souls? Is that the same as like Bloodbourne? Yes, not the same. Actually, you know, the best entry point is probably just play Eldon Ring because it's more, it's the most like, I guess fun.

Because I try playing Bloodbourne and it was just so fucking difficult. It was just like this is not any fun. It's a simulator, you know? I love the way it looked, though. I was like, let me just get further so I can enjoy more of it. Play Elder Ring. Elder Ring is the perfect mix.

If you hit a wall, you can do other stuff. It's just actually, play Elder Ring. It'll blow your dick off. Like, it's one of the most incredible games ever, and like, you would love it. Can I get it on Xbox? Yes. Okay, I'm in. Do that.

Also, I would recommend, for all the touring musicians out there, Steam Deck. Nothing better than Steam Deck. To all that we just did, there was some guys with Steam Deck. And I was like, I'm sorry, what are you playing there? That was like a fucking PC game. It's a switch PC and it can run anything. You can do anything. And so for me, it's the godsend on tour.

I can do more gaming on tour. Because I can't tour your brain's mush. I can't write any music on tour. I don't do anything useful. I drink 100 beers. Talk to people. Then maybe I'll play a little steam deck. Maybe I'll crank it in the bunk.

Yeah, I don't like writing on tour. I'm not in the mindset. I'm about to play. I'm about to take my fucking shirt off. Okay. It's my tour. I can't do fucking work. Well, up until this upcoming tour, I work the merch every night.

And like, like, the last tour I was like, I am fucking, real job. Well, grinding my ass to the bone because I'm like, I can't do this anymore. So like this is a company tour. I'm not going to work the merch. But like the whole history, like I got in there, counted the merch. We run on soundtrack, run back, do the merch. Don't go to dinner. Someone brings me some food.

Sell it. Sell it right up until we play, run, play, come back, sell. That's so fucking DIY. Good for you. Well, that's how we came up. But yeah, but now that's how I came up and then we just got a merch guy and make sense. Well, it's also I talk to people and it's fun.

But at this point, it's like, the last tour, I'm like, I'm stressed out. I've never felt stressed out on tour. It's like, you know, because I'm fucking working my ass. So we're getting a merged person now. There's too much now. I think I'm ready for your two shoes and online. Story number one. Good story.

All right. So Prona single coming out. It was a part of video game tie in. And this video game is notable that it had butt plug.io support, like a vibrating butt plug that reed, uh, what's like a react to what's going on? stream. So what's going on the game. Okay.

So to promote the release, I did a live stream where I put this I.O. butt plug in my ass and I played the game with a butt plug on. Nice. Okay. Number two. There's one time, this is a very long time ago, we did a single off our second remix record at Trent Reserdist House. He invited us.

They had a free day and we had to work with Alan Mulder. It was amazing and working in his home studio. And it was the first time I ever saw a Japanese toilet. and I clogged the toilet and it was a bit of a hilarious situation. And then number three, in our early DIY days where we played a lot of like DIY spaces and hardcore places, whatever, the people who ran this commune space, they had this idea, it was a brand new venue they created where they had a cactus and every band that came there would jerk off onto the cactus.

And eventually they would all eat the cactus and trip because it was a San Pedro, peyote cactus. Eat the cum cactus. Eat the cum cactus. I've only been doing this two truths on the line maybe for four episodes now, and that's my favorite one already, because I want them all to be true. You just got to sound racist.

Where are your family from? So I'm half Korean, half Italian. So I'm half Northern Korean and Half Southern Italian. Okay. And it works that way too, north-south. Before anyone thinks that's racist. That's actually true. So my family are North Korean and they actually were North Korean nobility and they lost it all and had fled south from the war and went broke. Wow.

And my mom never told me and I found out very recently, which is so tight. Actually, I'm North Korean. So I'm like North Korean and then my father from southern Italy from Giswaldo. It sounds like every word out of your mouth is a lie right now. Oh my God. This guy's trust issues. No, the Korean thing, North Korean is absolutely fucking incredible. Good for you. That's wild. That's just that wild. You don't meet many. But it was actually I was going to be my slight racism showing where I was like, this guy could be, there could be some Japanese in there. I'm not going to buy the Japanese toilet. First time you've seen a Japanese toilet. So, I mean, I use, I feel, I do a lot of Japanese accents, affectations is funny to me. I feel like, shit. I feel like, I should be fair game as an Asian man. Japanese toilet that you clogged. Did you clog it pre?

Did you use the bidet? The bidet. Well, so it was actually my first experience ever with the bidet. So it was very novel to me. And it was a heated seat. And where were you again? So I was at Trent Rezzar's house at the time. And well, he doesn't live there anymore, but it was in Beverly Hills.

In Beverly Hills. And he had a Japanese toilet. I mean, respect to Trent, if this is true, for having the Japanese toilet because it's on my list. They're amazing. Side note, does it make you jerk off more? Jerk off? You think I'm a jerk off in his house? No, you must have used one since then.

What year did this happen? Okay, here's a, okay, I've got a question for you. So as a grown man, you jerk off in the toilet? You live at a house with a bed and a computer? If a Japanese toilet, I literally, yes. Wait, so you are living at your own house. If the toilet's not, you go and jerk off on the toilet, like, that's the shit you do with your parents, because there's a lock on the the door. No, you're missing. You're missing the point. If there's a Japanese toilet that it's

going to give me a fucking water rim job, I'm joking off. And Terra Sante. I'm just, what? That means interesting. You said interizonte. I got it. Spanish. Yeah. No, I cannot have that boy blowing water up my ass without having a way. I just can't do it every time. So basically, if you hit a nice toilet on tour in Japan, you're going to have to fucking crank it every time you can take a shit. I am fucking coughing out of there by the end of a Japan tool. So are you, are you, are you do Blumpies? What's the Blumpie?

Blumpies, when you get a blowjob, we're taking a shit. No, the shit element I don't like. Because you don't like that. It's the water. I love, like, this is the blast. The gift? Where is my gift? Yeah, yeah. This is, this will be used. So I love that. I love you. Like, oh, this is a nice toilet. Oh, fuck, man, I got a fucking cranker, mate. Yeah, honestly, no, the minute it starts blowing

blowing water up there, I'm like, this is fucking awesome. Like, I'll sit there with, like, especially in Japan. Like, whenever we play, they're, they're so hospitable that they give us, like, our own rooms each. If we've got a day off, we're in our own little room. It's not just literally just fucking wank all day. Nice. Thanks. Okay.

I, what were the, I can't even remember the other two fucking stories. So you're good. The cactus, jerking off in the cactus, the R venue. And there's also, uh, the other one is a, uh, it's like a digitally enabled butt plug on stream. Oh, okay. What was the system? you were playing the game that the digitally activated butt plug.

So it's a PC game and it has a mod. The mod gives blood plug support. It's not Love Sense, but it's, it was it Love Sense. I think it is Love Sense. Yeah, Love Sense. It's a company that has remote, you know, sex toy access.

What was the game? Ultra Kill. And you played it on stream. So we have a song, hateful from our new record, Rat Wars. And that song was debuted in Ultra Kill in a mode called the Cybergrind.

And that is the only, only game with Bup Plug Io support. So to celebrate it, I did a live stream where I played the mode with our song with the Bult Plug support. I feel like that's true. So do I tell you now? Yeah. Do I need to tell you a story now or no? Yeah, give me the story. Yeah, this is true. Give me the story if it's true. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely true. So, yeah, to celebrate the game, actually, I sort of lied. Our song, we were counting down until the song in the game, so the song was in the game. So actually didn't play with the song in the game, but it hit at midnight or whatever. So yeah, we did a, I did a live stream where I, I threw in the, so I had this whole thing.

We live stream until a certain point. I drank a bottle of wine to loosen myself up, you know, as, as, you know, and I had this whole one light of prepared, you know, so I get this about plug out. I loop it all up. And I was planning to throw it in. And I was going to say, what's the big deal, ladies? Wrong. Instant karma. Throw it in. Through it in really fast. It's the God. Jesus fucking Christ. It's like, it's like someone fucking kicked me in the stomach. I was just like, oh, how big was it? I mean, is reasonable? I think it was, it is a little bigger than that.

Bigger? Yeah. But, and so, you know, kind of hit me in the stomach and I had this moment. I was like, oh, fuck me. Like, wow, no one-liner, you know, um, you know, listen, I'm, and this is a, I'm doing this on the regular. Loeb, loop. Of course, yeah, there's some slick with.

Is that a lot a lot of Lou. What are they called? Oh, fuck the store by my house. I'm trying to shout them out, whatever. You got a particular brand. They told me it was the best. Anyway. Okay.

So I threw it in, super fucked up. And then you start playing the game and like every, every, every gunshot, it's vibrating. I was just like, so if you watch a stream, I'm just like, like, oh. Did you not? No, no, here's the thing. Here's what I don't say of the vibrating butt plug. It is so far from your walnut. Like, it's really far.

In general, you need a whole fucking. Well, you need the, if you get a narrow spice, a narrow spice is skinny. It's not going to fucking fuck your, it's shape like this. So it hits what it's supposed to hit. This thing is like this. So it's like it's nowhere near the zone.

It's like someone set out fireworks next to, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? It's not hitting, hitting the target. No, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I have that problem too.

Well, I like the fact that that was true. Fuck, the other two are both insane. So you either blocked Trent Resner's toilet or there was a cactus that everyone come on and then they got high. And they were going to eat it. They're going to eat a psychedelic.

Okay, let me decide for this. How was the cactus prepared for consumption for them to get high? So here's actually a weird wrinkle. It was supposed to be a cactus when we got there. There was a painting of a cactus of the wall, and they painted health huge on this wall. It was a new brand of DIY venue. They couldn't actually find a fucking cactus.

It was just a potted plant in a dark single person room that we all cranked on. But you did. so this one is true or this one is a lie because you told me they got high from eating the cactus so that one is the lie so do i tell you lying true yeah it's definitely no it's true it's true so we went and basically it was the band uh ponytail dan deacon created this this uh this this diarway venue is this thing in baltimore and uh actually got shut down like right after but um so we went in there and during their set uh myself jupiter x band main and jake cranked and then bj our drummer was like i'm not doing that so we just went in there and full dark

darkness, no smartphones back then, just, and just close your eyes and just cranked. I was the first guy, so I just blasted. No, actually, he was the first guy, no, because I remember it smelled like cum. So I was like the third guy or second guy. Wow. So yeah, yeah, so we cranked it. And then what was done with it? Just, it was just.

So the bummer was that the venue got shut down. It was actually very unsafe. The show was so crazy. All the kids were jumping and we were on the second floor and you could see the floor bending. And everyone's like, dude, we're going to die. This is going to be like one of the same is like, 100 people died. You know, DIY venue. but it actually got shut down pretty soon after that.

So no other bands actually... Because of all the come. They came in with a CSI gun and they were like, this insane. But we did crank it. Nice. So then you didn't block Trent's toilet. No, it's a fucking Japanese toilet.

It's great. Wait, you did. So there's a truth in there. No, I didn't clog it. I shat in Trent Residence toilet. It's amazing toilet. And Trent has a Japanese toilet. Well, he did then.

He had the time. But yeah, it was a hell of a toilet. Those was, I mean, that's like a fucking cataract of toilets. The toto washlet. Yeah. It's amazing. This first time I ever had a day for some I already heated seat is incredible.

If I would have cranked it in Trent's toilet. Oh my God. Jesus Christ. I would have cranked. I'm sorry. I would have done it. And it's not him, but I would have done it.

A, because the toilet was there and I would have done it for the bit. Amazing. So I could go on a podcast and someone would think that was the lie. But really, I had done it. So I was trying to just think of a lie story. And like, that's the only thing you think of it. So I thought you're going to go for it. And I would say the way I got to,

out of. I take a giant double tape of shit. And then I emptied all the handsop and I throw in the toilet to get it to move and that actually does work. And the more you know. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I butcher this game more than the guest, but I still like doing it. Well, I'm done. All right. Well, I hope we hop to it, you know. You're fucking, cum metal 2024. It's great as baddy core. We didn't come to an agreement. We are sure. Maybe perhaps, you know, baddy core might be a subgenre or cum metal. you know, I think we talk about it a bit. I think I can agree with that.

Yeah, yeah, I think it's a good thing. Well, we don't know. Until you have a breakdown? We don't, we don't know. You know, this is an ongoing conversation, you know? It's a... If you guys have a breakdown that's officially a breakdown, I need you to concede that that song at least is bad equal.

Whoa, whoa, now we're getting really complicated. This is all, this is all conjection. This is all hypotheticals here, you know? We'll have to talk about this. Thank you for coming on. Oh, thank you, man. I hope we get to do it again when we're actually in here. No, we are here.

We're here in Scotland. Oh, you didn't tell me You want me to tell me Scotland story in there I didn't tell you. Oh yeah, you were going to sit down. So I lost my virginity to the Scottish exchange student in my school

and that's when the first time I came to England and saw your wonderful country and the first time I had salt and sauce on the fish and chips and then I went to Aberdeen where's the place really up north? Aberdeen yeah. The best fish and chips in the world

is still the best. I think about it. Really? I was not the best. I mean, it's all good up there. Scotland does fishing chips better than anywhere on the earth. Because they got the salt and sauce,

the brown sauce and the vinegar is better. Though England has a mushypies. so it's a little of a... And we got them to. Oh, really? Okay, I didn't get them there. But I didn't have to tell late. Maybe they didn't give them to...

So wait, you were the exchange, eight? No, no. She was the exchange student. So she came here... Came to... I grew up in San Diego. Came to North Korea.

No. San Diego. If Simon's cut out that other conversation, that's gonna sound... Leave that. Leave that. Fully fucking racist. I want the most racism.

Okay. Was it good? It's my first time. It can be good. I got Chlamydia my first time. What? Yeah. first time.

With who? My science teacher's daughter. This can't go on here. Yes, this is definitely going on. Were you listening to music? Back then, no. That's good. Thanks.

No, to fuck me. Thanks. But she would have been knocking around with someone that, in fact, no, this is a fucking, this needs to come out. She'd been knocking around with someone that was like outside of school. Too old. And they gave her chlamydia and then I got it from her. But she couldn't say that she'd been doing what she'd been doing.

outside of school so I got the fucking rap sucked anyway I'm glad you had a good time with a Scottish lady love Scotland big fan got any plans are you coming back absolutely 24 we haven't announced a tour yet but it renounce it but it's coming it was supposed to be a full hell and then they had to pull out so we're rebooking it uh are you doing Glasgow of course Glasgow Music City that Scotland baby fuck I hope to see you there thanks everyone thank you give me this Goodbye.