The Downbeat - Josh Middleton (Sylosis)

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

My guest this week is guitarist and frontman of Sylosis, and one of my personal  oldest friends Josh Middleton. We talked about their latest album A Sign Of Things To Come but mostly about growing up together (including his CRAIG REYNOLDS DOS AND DONTS sign for his room), a killer Anthony Kiedis impression, touring with Metallica, and much more. We also make eachother cry laugh at least twice. This episode is also the first episode on the new cinema cameras, thanks to the Patreon for making that possible.

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use the code downbeat. My guest this week is one of my best friends on planet Earth, definitely the oldest friend of mine that I speak to. He is a wonderfully funny man, once shrouded in mystery, is Josh Middleton, the guitarist and singer Brain Child of Silosis. We talked about the fact that he's my best mate, we made each other cry on the podcast a couple of times from laughing. We talked about the golden years when we lived right next to each other in Reading, watching horror movies, eating snacks.

We talked about their new album, a sign of things to come. loads of that stuff he's the best I love him he flew up here to see me Josh Middleton of psilosis on the downbeat podcast Josh Middleton

how are you yeah good thanks you what you been doing all there just been sat there actually you I've been setting up this fucking podcast for the longest time just

new gear hopefully it looks good it better look good enough for all these people. Because how long drag on that took? What we on? It's seven o'clock now.

I said we were starting at 6.30 when I'd already been setting up for... How long? Oh, I know. Two hours, one and a half? That's a fucking long time, though, that. We've been talking the whole time. I've got you a cool drink.

Thanks, everyone, for listening. I've already introduced you to... You've got two options. You've got Chun Lee, or you've got Re-Ey. or you've got Ryu, both from popular franchise Streetfire. Yeah, uh, Chun Lee, please. That's a sparkling tea peach flavor.

And I'm going to go for, well, there's no other choice. I'm going to go for Ocean Bomb. What is, what does the ocean taste of? Apple flavor. Not sea water, then. Let's have a little go. Anyone who's watched the Tom Williams episode, you'll know there's, you know, cool drinks are a thing,

especially with the non-drinking community, Josh himself here. Are you an Edgeman? Would you call yourself an Edgeman? I guess I don't necessarily claim it, but I am and have been for 10 years. Ten years? Yeah. Vegan as well?

Ten years XVX. Yeah, 11 years vegan, yeah. How's your, um... Oh, the drinks. Great, yeah. That's lovely. Shout out Ocean Bomb. Mine is also Ocean Bomb, yeah.

Oh, that's... Okay, yours is peach up, mine's Apple, streetfire branded. Not sponsored by this episode. Because the other thing, I'm doing the sort of guerrilla technique, Josh. We'll get on to talking to Josh a minute. Shut the fuck up. Where basically I've asked Monster Energy to sponsor the podcast, and they've gone, oh, yeah, we'll be in touch.

We like it. But then they've repeatedly not been in touch. So I'll just drink different drinks just as a sort of like, this could be you. This could be us, but you're playing. Beat me to it, yeah. this is absolutely delicious if it was another beverage company that could endorse a podcast like this couldn't it it could be like a delicious energy drink any i'll take any energy drink by this point

what you've been doing i haven't seen you in ages i haven't seen you in ages um my brain's gone uh yeah put an album out that's the main one obviously new solos this record came out and been doing some mixing work when did this when did the record come out September, start of September 8th. We're in November, but you'll be watching this in December. We're in October. Fuck me. My brain is mush.

I saw you've got loads of monthly listeners. That's the first thing I noticed today. That's cool. Yeah. Honestly, it's never really dipped over, it's only been steadily rowing over the pandemic. And I don't know why. There's no...

What's the highest you've got? It's $375,000 today. That's loads. Stray's only ever like 140 max. The highest was like 389 or something. We never breached the four. But I don't know. We've got a lot of albums.

And... You do. You're still in my phone as the Supreme Impressor. Did you know that? Not on there. No, I mean, I knew... You definitely told me that before, yeah. And that wasn't even me.

I was Jamie. But, um... I mean, you fucking wrote it. Yeah. But if anyone's going to be the Supreme Oppresser, I guess, yeah, it would be me. Yeah, I mean, we're both from the music and from just, you know, being a Supreme Peressa.

Yeah. Are you, that's a good question. Good question, Josh. Do you let Ali write some drums, or do you write them? No, Ali writes drums. You never used to let them write. Come on, you didn't. Come on.

Yeah, no, you're right. No, I was just trying to think. I don't have, yeah. Ali, I'm always like, Ali, tell me what, you know, what should we do with this song? If does the arrangement mean, it's change? I put this drum thing in.

But I deliberately make an effort to not demo as hard as I used to. Demoitis. As in like, you just get stuck. Yeah. But in one way, like, loved Rob, great drummer. However, like, he wasn't coming out. He wasn't breaking. the what's the phrase for like when you when you invent shit reinventing the wheel

he wasn't breaking the wheel then break it didn't make one nothing to do with wheels actually uh no yeah alie's definitely got a style and uh and yeah like his sound yeah you can hear it yeah on the new one there's also a new one song's like is it poison for the last um obviously that's one of them but is it the one that's like a big decapitated. Oh, there's some elements of that. Yeah, yeah, in that song, yeah. That's another thing you used to hate when I'd say,

oh, that sounds like this. You go, no, it doesn't. I couldn't hear it. Yeah, you used it all the time. I'd be like, it sounds a little bit like this. Can't really hear that. I mean, I'm not dogging on you. No, no, no, but I think all I'm saying is,

if you, if I deliberately did that, I'll tell you. Whereas if you said it, and I'd be like, no. But. It seeps in. Yeah, it does, obviously. Do you reckon you've got like, I feel like I know a psilosis song now.

Like if I hear it, I can go that silosis. Do you reckon it took a while to get, like, your own sound? Or did you ever like, did you have a sound in mind in the first base? Because you used to be like death metal. Yeah, you know what? We've actually filmed a little mini, very mini, documentary about the early days because they're completely like undocumented because like even before I knew you well around that time they're playing with like Jordan's band

in Newbring stuff and we were like a six piece with two singers um so it's just talking about some of the early days because I feel like the newest record is the closest we've been to when we started there's blast beats well yeah singular is yeah I mean there's not much there's some blast beats but just like I think The better we got as musicians and myself as a guitarist and as a songwriter. Yeah. And the more you get involved in the finesse of it all, we lost touch with just when you're kids and you just want to make super heavy music and you just want to like flip a table

because something so heavy. Yeah. And I feel like we lost a bit of that. So I want to inject a bit more of that into what we're doing. Why do you think you lost it? No, like I said, I think you get like, start thinking more about songwriting and like, you know, the technical guitar stuff and more focused on that and less. I think like writing songs in front of a computer.

Yeah. Like, and not that I don't necessarily do that, but when I'll write riffs now, I'm stood up with a guitar and it's like I'm playing live. And like what's going to physically feel satisfying to play and stuff? You get too into computer world or like snipping, I snip the tail of that riff. Or literally we just did it with Australia.

when we're just like, can we normally, me and Tom Jam? And this time, there's like five, even like pandemic was, I would jam a drum beat. He would send it to him and he would jam a riff over it. So it's still like jammer and stuff. But this, we just did five songs. Sometimes we'd be just trying to make a part work by like changing the tail of the riff and all this shit.

And then you just go, should you just try a different fucking riff? Yeah. My throat's made an excellent noise there. Yeah, I heard it. That's bad noise gate there. Road. I also feel like with psilosis used to be too afraid to, because when we did a first record,

it didn't want us to be lumped in with all the metal court stuff. What do you count as the first record? Well, conclusion of an age. So, like, we're going to tune our guitars to E, no breakdowns allowed, and all that helped us get on, like, our own path. Was that a rule? You had a rule? In your head.

Not some, yeah, like... E is crazy. Are you still an E? No. C sharp standard, so it's like three notes lower. Good in between. It still sounds tight and metal. E standard. But yeah.

It's metallic E. Yeah. That's why he did it. Yeah, that's why we did it. But admittedly, part of the reason we went on hiatus because I was like, oh, I just want to play like really fun, heavy riffs. And if something resembles a breakdown, I don't care. But I grew up in an era and scene and had some friends, especially like, maybe like, I won't say you now.

You know what I'm saying. Say him. Say him. Uh, and maybe, I don't know, just had like, because I was into like super extreme death metal stuff. Yeah. But I like just death tones or, or like terror or hate read or whatever. And the elitist mentality is like, you have to pick a side basically. So like, that's what we sort of did.

But so now it's like if we do something that resembles a rate, I'm like, I don't care. We're not, I don't think we're a metal core band. If for me, a lot of that stuff, like the chuggy stuff comes from like Pantera or to capital or whatever. Metal core is a weird word now. Used to be a dirty word back in the day. Because for exactly those reasons. Like, I don't want hardcore metal. I've always wanted it. I've always wanted it.

Give me a blast week. Give me a fucking breakdown. But, like, when you think a metal core now, it's almost, metal core is almost like what new metal was now. In terms of like,

metal core is a singing chorus and like, I don't know. You know what I mean? Like bad omens and stuff. like that is that's now like big metalcore back in the day you'd think of just like bands ripping off kill switch but then that's the other but converged metalcore in a way aren't they they they have like super swedish sounding riffs and like metal stuff and then they're obviously a hardcore band really that's fucking weird if you called converge metalcore now like if you said someone someone says i like metalcore and you go listen to converge they would go the fuck is it's but i mean to turn back in

the day i remember it being used with bands like i think you've been burnt by the the son got called it like i listened to burnt by son today in the gym yeah sick man i listened to discordant access yesterday as well david i was on a little dave whit they're one of them i think the most underrated heavy bands and still like huge influence for us i had sweated him the other day we played municipal waste and i was like oh great they played after us he was like oh great playing and i was like dave big burnt by the big burnt by the sandpan and he was like oh wow and then I was like big discordant access fan and he was like, no one said that band name to me in about 10 years.

To be honest, I'm not that familiar with them, but burnt by the sun. Just grind, just relapsed grind. Burned by the Sun, the first record, like full length soundtrack to the personal revolution. That record is modular. Yeah. I still loads of that stuff, all those riffs. Go back and listen to it. Production's nice.

There's a lot of like... It's the guy that did Leviathan, Matt Bayliss. Is it? Same drum sound, I think. Roomy. Early 2000s, metal core. But then even then, like, you can't lump that in the kill switch. It's so weird.

We need subsections. So they're like grind metal with hardcore. Grindlecore. They were like, they were like Grindle, Grindle core. Grindleorf, yeah. Grindle core. And then you guys are now, I guess. If someone said, like, what's silos?

Oh, I just, just modern metal. I feel like you can get away with that. Yeah, I think like where I see us is just, it always sounds like you're going to just, but like metal. Like, you know when you've got your Pantera machine head, Lamagod. Metal pop, rock. That lane, that lane of it. R&B. Metal.

Hip hop, metal. Yeah. Yeah. Back to basics. Reggae. Well, that's good. It's good to see you. If anyone doesn't know, me and Josh used to live really close to each other.

Yeah, we used to see each other pretty much every night. We'd sit on your sofa, watch a scary film, eat popcorn from the same bag, hands touch you. I've got popcorn. Yeah, and we'll be doing it tonight. We're doing a horror movie. We'll be doing a takeaway that we're going to get order on this podcast because we're both fucking starving because it took me so long to do it. Take me out Saturdays, remember those? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.

If any of your members, if you're listening to America, because most you are, we had a, there's a game show. Was it a game show? Yeah, dating game show, yeah. What was the premise? It was actually quite, it was a modern day Tinder in real time. It was like a line up of, I feel like a... Men or women.

Was it? It would be equal. It was equal back then. Sometimes a man would come out and take his pick, sometimes a lady would come out and take their pick. But it was, yeah, so it'd be a lineup of people. It's absolute fucking trash TV, but I loved it. Garbage.

Line up with people and then like the opposing gender. I don't think they're, I think this was before you were allowed, but before the TV really sort of realized that LGBT people existed because I never ever remember it being like a bunch of guys and then a guy. Yeah, no, you're right. Which they should have done realistically. Yeah, but.

Not even that long ago, 10 years. They would come on one, row, let's say, row of girls and then a guy. And then he would go and they'd have a, light in front. He come down the lift. He come down the lift. Oh my God. And then he would like go up to them and press their button if he didn't

like them. It would make this really, really like, boo! Like fucking like you lost the game noise. Just based on like appearance maybe. I think each round like they would ask the girls different questions

as well. And then he'd go and all the men. All the men yeah. And it was it's a fond part of my life those Saturday nights we get everyone round a couple of dobies Josh was drinking back then

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah sleeping the sofa now we're old men yeah drinking now we're drinking street fire drinks yeah to be honest never drank anything as childish as this well I haven't changed

no I haven't I don't think I have you how old are your kids now can you talk about your kids on the podcast yeah two and four two girls six, ain't? I don't know. I'm in the flow of it now.

I'm just silly. I got the silly. The funniest thing is like I can't, I can't deal with anything that's not, I know. Yeah, four four. What are you going to say? Two four.

Four. Four. Yeah. Time. two, which is two bars. You say basically you've got one bar or two four. It's a good way to think of it.

Are they, I don't know anything about kids. Are they doing shit yet? Like, don't slag them off, but. So the oldest ones at school And yeah

They watch School at four Yeah She brain box or is that normal Yeah that's the age Is it? Four Yeah

It does seem a bit young Doesn't it? It's like it does feel too young Also She's We There's a school in our village That we could walk to

And we went to look at Like various schools And you just think, yeah, you just send them to the closest school, obviously. And I went there. I was like, I hated school. Primary school was all right, but just authority school sucks. And we both got a really bad vibe. And we went to check out this other school.

And it's like tiny school in like a lovely countryside, trees everywhere. It's amazing. Only like 10 kids, 10 kids per class. Fucking hell, right. But it's Church of England. So like, she goes there. And it's great. And it's lovely.

And like all that stuff is No, obviously me and Naomi are both atheists But she'll come back And she's like beside the Lord's prayer I'm like Is she? Yeah At four

I don't know how they can do that Meanwhile I'm turning up in my cannibal corpse Hat and To bigger up Bloody hammer joggers I just say it's like Oh it's just like a knife and fork They've been having jam sandwiches

Oh no it's the communion Blood I've spilt my communion Yeah So yeah But anyway Yeah it's all good just watch a lot of frozen

they dress up bounce on the bouncy castle what do you do when she says the Lord's prayer out of you she does she come home and be like I don't know what a four year old's like because I taught kids for like 10 years but it was only like you can only really

teach them from about eight so I'd never really didn't really hang out with many pre eight year olds hang out with fucking loads of eight year olds go on so what's the question I can't fucking remember No, like, so what's her speaking like? Like when she's saying the Lord's Prayer, is it like goo-gagga shit?

Josh is going to fucking spit his drink out. He's looking around for something to spit out. I can't help you, mate. I'm doing a podcast. Yeah. We're back. Josh's. Go-go-gagga.

So, yeah, my daughter can speak. Yeah, but like what level? Just normal. She speaks like me. You never seen a kid. I ain't hanging out at four-year-olds. Yeah, but you've been to school. You must remember.

I can't fucking remember what I sounded like. In my head I sounded like this. Probably dead. There's no way. When you're at school, that's when you start learning to reading stuff. Yeah, but I thought you had like a rug rat's voice for a bit.

And then you had like a teenager voice like, hi! She sounds like a kid. Definitely, but she can talk. I don't know. To school. Yeah, I don't know. A four seems young for school.

No, it does seem young. Yeah, it is too young. I mean, in an ideal world, we're at home school, but... No Lord's Prayer there. The opposite. Quite the opposite, yeah. Speaking of the opposite. Speaking of the opposite.

I've got a book over there. The... Economical. No, the H.P. Lovecraft pulled loads of stuff from this book, though. The Dictionary Infernal. grimoire like pretty sure it's the one that they found around the guy from dissection after he popped his clogs and uh but i was reading it the other day because it's like spells in it and shit and i like all that stuff the red dragon is called calli maha calli yeah yeah it's like

translated from french to english and uh there's loads of spells in it that are fucking mental like like a little bit of a sex spell or like a manifestation spell. This one, boiling cats. Nah. Like, what else is in there? Boy,

like, boiling cats, like all the killing goats stuff, all that stuff. In it, there's like a letter. Because it's like, there's like a pact with the devil.

And it's like a scan of an actual one from like 1600s. It's fucking sick. That's what you should be teaching at school at four years. old exactly yeah we do that at home boil the cat boil the cat go go go yeah what I love about this is I've just got a mate on and everyone be like no ask me about drums no fucking thank fucking god I don't I'll ask you about guitar though because you were thinking about and by this point you will have already embarked on a sort of Patreon journey you're still fleshing it out no I said yeah it might still be in

the idea is no way I'm not really you fucking wait that long. All right, yeah, maybe it'll be out, yeah. Like we were discussing, it's difficult because... You want to do other stuff with your life. Boy, I didn't really mean that, but I mean, like, it's difficult to be a fucking

content creator, even to say that fucking word. Because shit costs money. But then at the same time, it feels a bit of busking. Yeah. And I fucking hate busking and all buskers. okay

yeah you said it do you know what I mean though like fucking go play a gig get off oh Ed cheering again fuck off I can't be asked

unless it's like a kid yeah four and above the shape of goo that was quick well done me that was quick what's your goal with the Patreon

don't you have you figured out the fucking tears yet. I don't know. Just that sort of safety net income, I guess, of being out in the world of

doing all sorts now, I guess. Yeah. Do you feel like some of it are you too proud to say? Because I was a little bit. Some of it was just like I wanted to force myself to put myself out there more on the internet. I mean, that's something I'm doing generally, just because

like my brother-in-law does a, well, he's the owner of a social media company and he used to do it for bands or for actors and now he just does it for mostly like, just big companies like food companies and stuff. And I was always like back in the day, you know, I was by Kerrang and I didn't know what these people sounded like or anything and I like the kind of mystery of being a fan and not knowing everything. And then back in the day I wasn't on social media. like they didn't post that much. And he was like, you've either got to be mysterious

and not be on social media or you just play the game. So I'm just like, yeah, right. But also you're funny though. I remember this. When I posted your, not to throw you under the bus. I can do it live if you want.

That was really, I'm really hoping. Can I have a backing track? Can it helps? Yeah, I'll set it up and then we'll do it. So I posted, this was when you're in your mystique era. like that arc yeah yeah so i posted josh sent me unsolicited i reckon 11 to 12 separate voice notes the last two of which come in two hours later without reply which is the funniest bit about it of him there was a meme going around which was how to fry fish had a flip fish with a large fish flipper

and it said like can't help but read this in anti-nequia's voice yeah and josh sent me unsolicited 11 to versions of him singing a very good impression of Anthony Kedis. Over their songs. Over their songs. That loud enough where you could just hear me a bit. And it was really funny and I should have asked, but I didn't. I screen recording it and put it on Twitter and it went, fuck, I still get the odd retweet. It went fucking ape shit on Twitter.

And then I don't think you told me. Someone else told me. I think I was just like surprise. I was like, I'm just like doing it to you. And I just, uh, yeah, it's just like. I get it. You were trying to be... But yeah, I don't mind.

Like... You didn't have a math. Jamie, pull it up. We'd less listen to it now. That was a good one. This is the best one. I'm insane. How to flip a fish with a large fish.

A fish. Are you driving at this? No. That was just a very driving time. Fliping a fish, yeah. I think that was the best one. And in this one, is five and a half hours later.

Yeah. Yeah. And where did we, how do we get onto this? Talking about putting yourself out there more. Yeah. I'll be doing more than that. But I,

I put you out there because I just, in my head, I get what you were going for, like, you didn't spend a lot of time on social media. Like, you were just one of those people. They don't exist anymore, mate.

If you're funny, you've got to fucking monetize it. I still don't think I'm funny on social, But you're funny in real life, so you just put that on. See? They're cracking up. I can hear it from here. Yeah, I don't know.

It's a weird one. I like, I think I need someone to bounce it off, though. Like, with you, I, because we're, well, first off, we're on the same wavelength of humor. And I just like trying to make you laugh. But I can't do that without, like, with me on just a phone or whatever. We do have the same sense of humor. humour. There's only one person that makes as many puns as me.

And it's not even necessarily like a sense of humour, just like weird stuff. Just like, like I'll be cooking and I'll be just have like a weird phrase in my head. I can't stop saying to myself. It's like just weird stuff like that. It's a mental illness. Yeah. A hundred percent. Names that, words that sound like someone's name.

Hang on. Have you got some? Have you got a list? No, I just got a really, well, first off, I have a friend who worked at the council who would actually I won't say that. You're going to say their full name as well. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

No, but you might, like, we might enjoy that. It's a meme. It says, imagine the trouble she has, trying to introduce herself with France. And her name is Jemapel. So that he's cracking up. That is the sign of thing.

I think I remember just getting a voice note from you once, and it was nice to meet you. I'm Leslie, Lesley Pace. Leslie Pace. But he said it like, Leshly Pace. Nice to meet you.

basically pays. That's really funny to me. Yeah, I don't know. It's not the sort of thing that if you tell people or like write it down or I'm just going to do this on Instagram that people find funny. Yeah. Or I think I can only make you laugh. That's the problem I have.

No, but then I retweeted it. 579 retweets. That's a lot of retweets. Yeah. That's funny. Monetize that funny. Patreon.com forward slash whatever Josh did. Funniness.

Comedy special. Let's talk about fucking. rock music the people are listening they want to know about fucking rock music you met Metallica recently yeah favorite band of all time

yeah expectation versus reality surpassed maybe I don't know I mean I'm one of those people that doesn't get excited

I don't like I just don't get excited about things unless I'm there so like oh you're playing with Metallica I was just like that's great but I'm hard to

in what way you didn't freak out I had to freak out yeah I don't know why that's just like how I am but then when I'm there like this is insane

like playing on their stage obviously got to meet them um and do you know the main thing that got me was watching them like just from the snake bit and just being like that close

and they opened with the right and I was just like this is insane yeah like yeah and I've just like played that stage crazy

who was the nicest rank them rank rank your heroes uh well um james and rob came to the dressing room and delivered us a vase full of flowers and a cake that said like welcome to the tour that's fucking cool i've got a picture of me holding the cake and sam's holding the flowers and we're just like and i there's a a picture of me going like this because i was like oh that riff and crowned by wild that goes like da-nao-na-na-na-na-d-ch-ch-chum-jim-j-j-j-j-j-l. I was like, huh? What riff?

I was like... He didn't, he didn't get it. I obviously didn't see it well enough. I think he then went, yeah, okay. That's what you would do to me. You got Josh Middleton. When I go, I love that bit in a silos song, and I go, whatever it is,

and you go, I don't know what that is. Sorry. He's operating on a higher level. I always just assume it's because my note range is one. I can do it. like a hum you and mish hugger song all day he's operating here you're yeah yeah he i mean yeah they were super friendly spoke for a bit tell me about the big man Lars yeah yeah he came in separately like half an hour later maybe it was just generally very

friendly and just talking and how weird was that being in a fucking like because i've when we were kids we were watching fucking all the metallica yeah i mean kids to adulthood by the way, you still constantly. Yeah, I still watch them. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's one of those things where, like, I love them so much that I'd actually sort of remove myself from,

what am I gonna say? I love your band. Did you not say that? No, I mean, like... What? I would have fucking... I mean, I was, yeah, I don't know, I was just like, I said about, like,

a riff on the new record that I thought was amazing. And, uh... That's a good one. Yeah, exactly. good one to get anyone listening. That's a good one to get your fat, like... It's true, though. If you meet... Yeah, of course it's true.

Hard. Is it on the first song? No, it's like, Crown of Barbed wire, it's like maybe track six or something. It's just got like a... No, no, no, no, do, do, do, do, do, jump, jing, jim, jams. Yeah, honestly, and I'm... Like, they, they played

the first track of the new record at one of the shows, because they're alternating the set list. and the entire arena or stadium was singing the chorus and like wrath of man or something like wrath of man oh yeah no no

so catchy the whole place is singing it and it's like it's inspiring a band of that level putting out new stuff and people are like this is awesome and not just like play the old stuff I thought that was Slipknot recently like the song I want to come back to that because I have to have something else to say

but the song, that song, Custer, is like TikTok Gen Z. There's a whole generation of people that don't even know or care about old Slip-Mort. And I remember, like, I was looking at how many shares that song has and in the comments about it, like, and I was just like, because we're old people. In my head, I was just like, yeah, fucking, oh, you were, fucking self-tiled, all that shit.

Like, not to disrespect any of the new stuff, but, like, both. That was like a big time, the moment in time when they came out, yeah. And then, but like it is cool. I had the same realization. It's really cool that these bands evolve or whatever, and they still get massive, massive new fan bases. In a way, that's fucking awesome.

That's all you want to do. Metallica did have a miniature drop-off. But it's only one album, really. You could put on load and reload and I'll enjoy it. I'm not putting it on, but I'll enjoy it. you've listened to St. Anger though, haven't you? Yeah, that was the one, yeah. And I listened to St. Anger as a joke.

Yeah. But I recently saw someone had, like, metaled up, frantic, I think. Not just the remix, redid the drums and then mixed them. The riff fucking slaps. Yeah, there's some good stuff. What was I going to say about them, Metallica thing?

That's cool. Lars. Oh, no, it was about fucking meet. Oh, if you want to meet, someone else asked me this year, they were like, oh, I'm going to meet whoever, one of their dream bands. What should I say?

And I was like, what do you want to say to them? Oh, no, yeah. And the person was like, oh, it's a meet and greet. My friend bought me it. It's a meeting greet. And I was like, she don't really want to meet him. And it was like, they were like, yeah. I said, well, don't say anything then.

Like, you shouldn't be meeting someone and just saying something because they're quote, unquote, famous. but the best possible thing you can say to someone to get them on your side is I really like something on the new album none of us make an album that we want you to prefer the old stuff to sure that's the worst thing when someone got for me anyway when someone comes up to you and goes love and then they say a fucking song

from 50 billion years ago that potentially I didn't even play on you get that with yeah like hey man I love conclusion of an age What, fuck, it made it 15 years ago. Fuck off. Do you want to say that, shall I? No, I don't mind that. You don't mind it?

No, I really don't, but I do think, I mean, yeah, if you're giving advice to people who want to impress or... Not even impress. Not impressed, but I don't know. I mean, yeah, that's always like... You should only say something if you want to. Yeah, exactly. And that's not what I was trying to do with James.

I just genuinely like that riff. And I just, it was like, I've been listened to the record. That wasn't a play? I'd done that as a play. I'd done that as a play. Not even a play, it's true, but also it's like, how many times has he heard? I love and justice for all. Yeah. How many times has he heard, you know, something off the new one? Yeah. Don't go around faking stuff, guys. No, exactly, yeah. Don't fake it, but I guess, yeah, people, like you said, new stuff. Obviously, for the most part, most people are going to be be like yeah that's our favorite stuff it's fucking weird

good good do you like fan interaction or do you hate it or somewhere in between no i'm fine it really depends like very rare that you have any sort of interaction where you like this is i don't know weird or is that rare for you yeah okay go on on go on i mean so yeah i think it's because i got a podcast everyone thinks they're fucking out there. Yeah. Like, I love me.

And then sometimes when people get the in jokes, it's fucking awesome. But when I'm like, someone will say something, I don't know, I've had it sometimes or someone will,

like, quote something from the podcast and it's quite rude. And I don't know that, I can't fucking remember what I said. I'll forget this the minute I've done it. Yeah. And I'll be like, I beg your pardon.

And they'll be like, oh, it's something you said on the podcast. And I have to be, oh, I'm really fucking sorry. Because they're like quoting it at me. You know, not any weird fans. You must have weird fans.

You got guitar people. don't throw them under the bus I don't know where I'm going on it is I'm going to ruin your fucking do it yeah I might be able to play guitar yeah no I I I can't think for anything honestly if it's come to mind

Twitch people you still twitching sometimes like yeah I just that's something I do just to keep myself like accountable for practicing vocals I just do it just you stop doing guitar on there

not completely but like practicing vocals is like I play guitar a lot all day just when I'm writing or whatever I'm doing whereas vocals, I have to like make an effort to practice them because I'm not just like sat around screaming. So just good to keep your voice in show mode. Do you do requests?

Cubs are original. Sometimes. I fucking hate that. But yeah, I don't like. Sometimes I'll have like a bunch of songs I'm going to practice because I'm going on tour or whatever. And then people are like, can you do this? I'm like, no.

I don't have the audio for it either. can you do supreme oppressor is that not on spotify no it will be we keep getting asked this a lot it was because we bought the rights off in at the deep end the label that it was on but they don't have the masters so we bought the rights to the record but no one has the master file so i'm gonna do oh you can rip them off a CD yeah we're gonna do that i'm gonna send them to the guy ermin who mastered our last two records and see if he can just make him sound a bit better from mastering. I mean,

probably not a lot, but... I don't know if I've just got a rose-tinted spectacles, but I remember it sounding quite good. You recorded... Both of them. Both of them. Wait, what do you mean by both? What else is coming back?

Oh, casting shadows... It's coming out. It's not coming out. It's just going to be back on Spotify. It's back. It's coming out. That seems odd for you to do that. No, I mean, it's cool.

What are you mean? Because I want to bury the past, because I don't like it. Yeah. I mean, if I had it my way, I would have deleted his half a discography at some point. Why is it coming out? Why not?

I mean, it was on Spotify. Good for you. That's gross. Yeah, yeah, to be honest. Are you internally freaking out about it? No, no, back in the, yeah, now I am even more. I don't want to draw attention to it. Don't tell people.

No, it's one of those things where, yeah, like, I don't know if you're like this because we have the same taste of music as well. I have like, my taste of music genuinely gets me like depressed or like feeling bipolar because I'll go through phases of liking different things and I hate whatever I've just done. I can't believe I've spent my time. Like I love Radiohead or like Mastodon or whatever and I'll get obsessed with the band and be like, why have I been making all this like meathead music and thrash because I'm, I could be in a band like this and then sometimes

sometimes I'll just be listening to Cannibal Corpse and be like, why have we got all this like delay guitars and clean stuff? Let's get rid of that. I just want to play heavy riffs. So like it completely tears me in too. So like just some of the things we've done in the past, I'm just like, I wish we could get rid of that. But I'm fine with it now. Why don't you just do side projects? That's, that would have been you. Death metal side project. I'm in. No fast feet. I'll program. Program the feet. Yeah, no, I'm fine with it now

That's just how I used to be I used to get really like Rank the silos' albums including EP's New one Say the full fucking names People don't know these things. The same of things to come Newest album out a few months ago

That one It's really great It's number one Yeah, definitely number one After that I'd probably put a cycle of suffering The one before it And then I'm going to go

Edge of the Earth I'll put a conclusion in there A monolith, dormant art I don't know why but that's the order I've gone with. Nice. Got instincts I was going on then. I'd say it's pretty accurate.

But I'm putting edge of the... I'll give you the new one. I really do like it. I'll give you that, number one. Edge the AF number two. Cool. Is it, are you... That's the most common fan favorite, I think.

It's a fucking, like... It's long, isn't it? It got panned for being long when it came out. My whole thing was, like, as a kid listening to Metallica at my bedroom and I was like doing something like homework or whatever if and justice for all finishes then I'm going to put master republics on right after it's because like I'm in the mood so what's wrong with a long album just like listening to two albums back to back but now I do get it I don't think it's too long I think the only thing about it

it's too long is that you could have done no work for two extra years by splitting it in half and having it be two fucking albums That's my 30-minute stray album, brain. Yeah, but more than 30 minutes. I think I'm more like that now. I don't think anyone's got the attention span anymore for like long albums and long songs. It must do though, because they do love that album. I fucking love that album.

It's an incredible album. Thanks, mate. You did the artwork as well. I didn't. I didn't. You didn't do the artwork. I did. I did a big painting of it and then I didn't like it and then got someone else to do it.

And the big painting was in my room for a while, so you might have seen that. was very close yeah thanks and you didn't like that no insane I remember that yeah because I just thought that was the one

no yeah so you AI did it essentially from your brain you made it and then you gave it because some people are like using AI art

to come up an idea then give it to an artist yeah okay you do this all an analogue AI just I I'm going to fucking die he says he's not funny just I yeah

it works on two levels it's really good oh my god it does that's the sort of Patreon dot com before his life I'm not going to be doing comedy he's doing stand up he's back it's back it's back um well that was funny that really got me

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slagging everyone off that's been on here no they're good not this level of good No, when it's like besties, I've had a lot of besties in the last like six months of episodes, which is fucking awesome. Yeah. So I actually do take that back. But it's just fun to have a friend on. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having.

We flew all the way up here. Yeah. Just for this. Both flying back tomorrow. I do the Zildjian thing. I always think about when I do these, like, what if I die at some point? And this is scheduled to come out and it comes out. And everyone's like, eerie.

Oh, I just told you earlier, I put them up myself. You are looking at me. That familiar Josh there where I just go off on one. Can we talk about the rules list that you have for your room? My bedroom. I was just about being out. It was for Craig Reynolds only. This wasn't any sort of pinky rule.

A list of rules written out on piece of paper. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just one rule that said don't touch anything because you're going to break all of my possessions. more. I don't remember. Have you got a picture? I fucking hope I've got a picture. I genuinely don't have a clue what the rules were. I just did a Craig Reynolds. I went up to that Searle symbol which you're going to tell me about in a second because it looks like it's made out of squishy foam when I touched it and just everything fell over there. It was resting on. You used to come into my bedroom and just touch things and they'd break. And I carry that. I used to have one of those mouse pads with a little foam.

resty bit that sticks out. Oh, I remember it. Yeah. And Craig said that it looked like an ass, a bottom. Yeah. And spanked it for so long and so hard that all the gel came out of it. That's what sparked the list of rules, though. No, I think, and you maybe, like, stood on my chair and fell on.

Like, there was many things that you would just touch and break. Why is that, though? Do you know? Any doctors in the house? I'm just going through our, like, Oh, WhatsApp, like, you know, you can go through the photos. Can you go through it back? Yeah.

Come on, Grandad. There's some really old ones here, but I'm sure you found it recently. Oh, maybe it's... No, I feel like you found it. Maybe, like, yeah, but I would have sent it to you. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah, I mean... Just be careful because there's a big camera on your phone.

That's fine. That's why I'm hiding it, all the nudes and stuff. Yeah, yeah. I can't find it. We'll just, I mean, that... We'll carry on from this, I reckon. Craig once left me a note in the kitchen after he stayed around my house. As if it was from my mum, like...

I found Craig Reynolds' dues and notes. Carry on, though. That one was just, you know, like some mums would put, like, there's milk in the fridge, help yourself, blah, blah, blah. Craig drew a huge pentagram and it said, calculate what you will. Love mum. We did a talk.

lyric. Oh, I can see that note in my fucking brain. Yeah, I think there's a picture of that somewhere. I've got, because we can get fucking Simon to put this up, but I've found the Craig Reynolds' do's and don'ts. Oh, let me see it. Would you like, yeah, would you like to read them out for me? Craig Reynolds, do's and don'ts, don't pick up the weights.

I had a set of weights and a bench press in my bedroom. You probably drop them and stuff. I think I might have. Knee through the floorboards. Yeah, it's the loudness. Don't sing it into the mic and knock it over. Every time you come into my room, you'd go, I'm sorry. What's here?

I'm Josh. I do silozoes. I do vocals in the silos. I do vocals in psilosis. I do silos in the vocals. I would come up to his mic. As soon as I come here, I've got fucking something on my brain. And then knock it.

So it was resting in the little cradle and it was just knock it and fall over. That happened a lot. nearly broke the mic. Don't swivel on the chair. You definitely swiveled on my chair and fell over. Don't touch anything because you'd break stuff. Don't pick up my Les Paul. I didn't do anything to Les Paul though.

That was just general. Like, we were waiting for a time that I would do that. It was coming. Did you say Les Paul? No, it said Les Paul. Simon. Run that back. Les Pauler.

Les Pauler. Well, it's about time. And then do behave. So that's sort of a negative as well. Well, that was good. Yeah. I'm glad I had that content there. Les Pauler.

Isn't it about time? She had to go. Who is Les Paul? Not even the owner of Gibson. I don't know. He was a guitarist. I think he had a, you know what? I should really know about this stuff.

I think he had a signature model. They called it the Les Paul after him, I think. And no one knows who he fucking is? I think they do. why isn't there an Elvis? Did he pay guitar? An Elvis signature model. I've got the fucking sillies, right?

Josh is one of the only people that really get it out of me. Yeah, same. It's fucking bad. I've got to stay on topic, but all I want to do is just be fucking insane. I don't know what it is. It is a certain level of mania. Yeah.

That you activate. Yeah, it's reciprocal. Yeah. It's a fucking weird one. You want to talk about your album more? I've done that a lot recently. We don't have to. That's good.

Definitely the best thing we've done. More concise, focus, there you go. There you go. Actually, I just want to say that again because I talked over it. More concise. More concise. Good focus songs. All the riffs, all that stuff.

Runtime, a prox. 44 minutes. Oh, that is nice. Perfect. That is nice. Maybe even less. I do remember, was it was it Kerang? You can call them out.

Was it Kerang? who gave edge of an earth? And they were like, it's just too fucking long. No, I think that was every magazine, genuinely. What do you want?

There's more music. No, that was my thought at the time, but I think, um, yeah, I get it now, long albums.

But yeah, I do remember just being like, all the songs are good, aren't they? Here's a question. How many, here, they are?

How many, um, singles did you put out? On the new record. Yeah. One nose is running from crying. Six. maybe.

Yeah, that's new, isn't it? Find that it helps? Yeah. Breaks the bank a bit doing that many music videos. Fucking six singles. That's what happened now,

though. How many tracks are on it? Ten. No, maybe it's five singles then. Sorry. Still half. Still half. I was going to say

the lion's share, but that's not. The lion gets most. Eight would be the lion's share. Surely anything over six. uh it's when they're hungry you

head by the table I'm fucking I could not drink if I just hung out with you every day you couldn't drink no I could not drink I feel I feel drunk giddy on each other giddy that's love two grown men that's love

yeah the fight the mega single things so we haven't done a record when was cycle of suffering came out It came out like February 2020. Oh, it sucks to be you. How many singles then?

Because that's when the single boom started happening. Yeah, like two and a half. And now you have to do like five, because you have to keep those Spotify numbers up. You have to keep everyone's attention. Yeah, I mean, we didn't really have any pressure from anyone. That was mainly me just going to like, let's do loads of videos. Like, really?

I don't think the label were like, you have to do this many. But was that a calculated decision on your point? Calculate what you will. No. Thanks, I will. No, I mean, maybe they would have said you should do more, but I think we'd always just planned. I think part of the writing for the record was like,

we want to do like our version of like a blackout where every song could be a single, which we've never put that focus in on before. So therefore I had one idea back in the day. I was like, let's do a video for every single song. That's way too expensive. so that was an idea from the start so we're always going to do that so wait have you you've got another single coming out then another video coming out yeah should be out by the time this

goes this will be out in december so you can talk about it what's the same absent absent uh apparently josh is super jacked in it someone else told me it's just good lying yeah you can see me it was filmed like two weeks ago no but you're like quite shredded you still going to the gym yeah what's uh nutrition right these days with the vegan same old I don't really eat much processed stuff

so I eat like the most processed thing I well I have protein powder yeah um but like tempe but I don't do like mock meat and stuff you don't you at home just on a regular daily basis

especially like cooking for kids I do all the cooking so I don't everything the fuck we're gonna get for takeaway then if you're not doing mock meat no I will I will yeah Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just generally day to day week to week at home, just I'll cook with like beans, lentils, tempe, tofu, potatoes, rice, whatever. And he gets Jack from that, right? Yeah. There'll be people listening then. You can't get Jack from vegan. But, yeah, when I'm on tour, everything. I cut loose. What's your favorite cutting loose vegan style? To be honest.

I'm over burgers. I love burgers, but like it's the only vegan option everywhere. Like, oh, there's a vegan burger. Have you tried the Beyond? Yeah, I have tried a Beyond Burger. Yeah, Beyond Burger. I love them, but they do have, there's like a... An after taste.

And smell that is so specific. Yeah, you know when you've had a Beyond, when you're having it. Yeah, it's almost like, you know, when you puke off too much tequila, and then for a while afterwards, the smell of tequila brings you back there. That's me with Beyond Burgers. yeah i can't relate uh just yeah i thought we were on a roll sorry uh no pizza i love pizza pizza

pizza is never bad do you want to do pizza well it is sometimes it is bad do you want to do pizza i can we order it now it'll be ready by the time of the podcast are you ordering uh yeah i'm gonna go what's um the name of the place i'll give them a shout up because they're a little independent place it's called pizza punks yeah like the name get have a look at the menu i'm going to get a load of shit because i'm really fucking hungry oh same yeah i and i want to impress you with how much I can eat because I can eat I can eat a lot

The vegan pizzas are very good And what's How do you say that in doja? I think it's Nujja Nujja That's just become a thing I have nowhere You know how like Hulumi

Just like Wield itself into existence Like 15 years ago Never heard of it Then all of a sudden It's everywhere Salted caramel I can't remember real caramel

anymore When it's not something's caramel flavor Always salted. Yeah. Simon, leave this in, actually.

It's funny. Are you getting the vegan shit there? Is it coming up? Because it's not for me on delivery. Not pizzas, but I am seeing the vegan mac and cheese.

Cheeseburger pizza. Croc monsieur. With a pentagram on it. Almost. That's anarchy, hey. They are punky. I don't even want to make loads of quick edits,

but I would genuinely like to know your opinion on pineapple on a pizza. Let's get into it in a minute. order this and then we'll get into the pineapple pizza hour. Well, we know where they stand on pineapple. Geez. What, not there? Or three different types.

It could be either way. Yeah, there's none. No pineapple. I love pineapple on a pizza. I'm indifferent to it, and I'm also indifferent to Marmite. Everyone's like, you love it or you hate it. I'll eat it. Not picking it up from the airport, but I like it.

Picking me up. See? Best of you. Vegan pepperoni, yes, please. Yeah, he got that mocking him. He got that mocking him. This is what I mean when I say I got that mocking me. Can I have...

You can have whatever you want. Gone on the downbeat card, boy. Oh, all right, okay. This is content. I think I've done stuff. I'm going to get extra shit then. Vegan pepperoni. Do you want dip?

Vegan mayo dip? Yeah, whatever's closest to the, like, just classic sort of domino style. I'll go vegan mayo, we'll see. I'm going to get this punk mac and cheese for a side, correct? Mm-hmm. The vegan one? Correct. Vegan mac and cheese.

Oh, you've already got it? Yeah. You've done it. He's done it. Right. Sourdough vase. Oh, I didn't see that. No, I just changed it to sourd.

Thank you. Because I knew you'd want it, Josh. Yeah. Pizza ordered. You've got, until the pizza arrives, all the conversation. becomes stale or the cameras run out until you the episode ends

pineapple on pizza you you've you've asked me yeah how do you stand on it for it yeah it's great are you staunchly for as in you will actively go for pineapple over everything else I do like it

I think an olive is if I've got a pick that one you can't never the twain shall meet surely Yeah, olives and pineapple. Are you fucking kidding? Yeah. That is...

No, I'm not. That is... That is sensory overload. Yeah, give it to me. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But people that, like, have a problem with it, should get over it, put anything on a pizza.

Oh, pineapple. I mean, I've got a problem with pineapple and all if together. I think that is what you're Mediterranean and... Whatever pineapple is, Hawaiian? I just assumed it. I assumed it's... nationality. Yeah, I'm like that with certain things.

Like, if, I can't remember, like, someone made like a shepherd's pine, they put some cumin in it. I was like, no, no, no, that's... I mean, yeah, that's curry. That's in a curry, isn't it? Well, like, yeah, curry or maybe Mexican food as well. Well, that's someone we know.

I feel like I've seen this happen before. Yeah, I mean... In my old flat, mate. I feel like I remember this. I don't know. I remember this being a debate in my own. old kitchen. Sounds like the sort of thing we're talking about.

I think that would have happened after watching take me out. Hang on. Where do pineapples come from? Brazil. You're mixing Brazilian and Mediterranean. It's fine. Did they not have olives there? Do olives grow in Brazil?

Does Brazil have olives? Brazil looks for its own olive. Brazil's largest producer. Brazil! second largest consumer of olives outside of the Mediterranean. I have very Brazilian tasting pizza. You're on to something. I stand corrected.

Please do. Wow. Good for you. Anyway, my thoughts on pie oven pizza is, yeah, I kind of regret not getting it. Now we've talked about it. But like the issue, I actually less like ham. You know, it's always ham. and pineapple.

Yeah, yeah, pepperoni and pineapple would be way better shortly. Yeah, and now I wish I've done that

because ham is the boring thing there. That should be the debate. How are you on ham? Because if you're not getting pepperoni on a pizza, you're getting

fucking cheese and vegetables. Don't give me up, like chicken on a pizza, fuck right off. Tuna. Tuna. Tuna. Tuna.

I mean, obviously I don't eat it, but I'm just saying, no, no, I'm saying it's insane when people put that on a pizza. Fried egg? Or like mix it up in

with the sauce. Fried egg in the middle? Again, just to reiterate, I am still vegan, but I can still remember a time when I wasn't, and yeah, all that stuff. What do you miss? Oh, the main thing is cheese and omelets. Like, the only things that are like...

Did you definitely pick vegan cheese on your pizza? Yes. 100%. Yes. Good. Cheese and omelets, did you say? What eggs, but yeah, having an omelet. That fake egg shit, not good?

I haven't tried it. probably just full of garbage. No processed boy. Yeah, I mean, I'm not like adamantly. It's just like, it's always really expensive and it's just full of garbage. Just rather eat like proper food. It must be. Is it either liberating or is it meltdown mode when you have to go on tour and not eat and eat processed?

I mean, I try not to. No, no, actually I eat like a idiot one on tour. No, it's just fine. Because I don't drink at home. And then I go on tour and I fucking. unleash hell yeah but i've got a whole thing lately where i'm like i play oh this is you're gonna love this you're just straight edge i play worse i get depressed more but i'm very bored like when i'm drinking sorry when i'm not drinking i'm bored but when i do drink i play worse because i slept

like shit because i was pissed up uh and i'm more depressed but then i'm rest of your days. So fucking boring. But how much are you being day drunk then? No, it's never pre-show. It's post-show, but it's like post-show boredom. And I'm like, I've got this nice dopamine. I just want fucking more.

And I've got a thing on this toilet that's coming up week after next. You've already seen it by this point. Or the bus flipped and I died. That's what I'm talking about. Erie, a voice from the grave. Stop it. I'm going to take that grim wire and flush it down your toilet. But like, I'm like, what the fuck am I going to do?

Because it's an hour long. What does Tom do? It doesn't drink. Yeah, I know. I feel like everyone else's brain is better than mine. I need, you know what I'm like. You have to write me a list of rules. I need stimulus.

Someone take Craig out for a walk, play with him, rub his belly before, put him in his bunk. That's what I need. Yeah, you need a... I can't do games. I've got a switch. I play switch at home. multiplayer yeah but on tour I'll never get it out yeah I never use it um I pack it I just never I can't have I've only got I'm very social person yeah I'm not I just like it in

cereal on my own I mean that is I can be social if it's like the tour party then I like to be social I thought about a bizarre tactic where most gyms are like 24 hours I thought about I went to the fucking gym after the show. Yeah, but you would have expelled a fair bit of energy, though. Yeah, and then I'd be bored in the day. That's why I'm not bored in the day because I go to the gym. Yeah. It's fucking annoying.

I wish I had one. That's why I started vaping. That's insane. It sucks, doesn't it? But it was a vice. Because I did a tour without drinking. I was like, I need a vice. I need one.

I love to be naughty. I love to just a little, hmm, this is bad. And I wasn't drinking, so it was vaping. It's like me and coffee. Yeah, coffee guy now. Yeah, I'm off it for, I'm going to see if I can go a week. Why do you do this yourself? It's just coffee?

Yeah, I guess I don't like thinking I'm dependent on anything. It's like real power. I like, yeah, I like a dependence. I like to be addicted to things. I just need one at all times. Yeah. What could we get you into? I can't get into weed because the thing is I need to take a fucking anti-anxiety pill to take the weed.

So that's not good because then you just get into the anti-anxiety pills, really. Yeah. And that's annoying. Weeds the most annoying one. Like, because I wish I could do it. I just can't. Is that an activity we could get you into? What, that you do at fucking 2 a.m.

in the dressing room or on a bus yeah I don't know go for a run it off sex drugs rock and roll that's it and like that's literally sounds like

I'm doing a bit but I get it the brain my brain is one of those brains that I need one of those at all times drugs falls in coffee falls under the drugs thing

all day drink coffee then rock and roll then drugs yeah but I need to swap the drugs out. Not drugs, drugs, but... More rock and roll.

Post rock and roll, rock and roll. PR and R R and R. Yeah, I don't know. Go to a rock club. Do you? Yeah, but what? Not drink and not drink. Yeah, what everyone wants to do on a touring party,

go to the rock club after the show. Which is really fun if you get blackout drunk, but it's the least fun. Oh, yeah. Get me away from it. Yeah, I don't know. What are you doing on tour? after the set.

You know what? It's been a while since we, I've been on tour and not headlined other than the Metallica one, but then it's like, you're on Tour Metallica and going to go watch Metallica and it's like, so I mean, yeah, I mean, normally it'd just be like, play guitar.

Still play guitar after the set? That's supposed to be no, no, no, no, sorry. So, like, no, like, if you're, if we were, like, headlining, I'd probably just play some guitar or, I don't know, listen to some music. Then you play the show and I'm like, hungry. So I'll eat.

Food. Yeah, food's, yeah, a bit of advice. And what are you doing in your bunk? Not, I don't mean wanking. But I mean, like, you're watching something? Nah, no. Straight to bed? No, but.

What are you doing in your bunk? Scroll on an Instagram. Not straight to bunk. You might just like, honestly, though. This is what I mean. This is drinking hours for me. And then what I like to do is get into my bunk drunk and just like fucking just be drunk in my bunk

drunk in a bunk. I'm as drunk as a skunk in a bunk. Right? Yeah. No, that sounds fun. Yeah, see? It's really fun. Well, but I've been hanging out with people

and then especially if I've had a couple of drinks and then I can't smoke weed if I've had a couple of drinks. I can't do it. Otherwise, I'm too fucking mental. Here is the issue. I have mental illness. I refuse to take the medication for it. So I'll just self-medicate with alcohol,

but now I don't want that, but I don't want to take the addicticpressants. I really wonder what... Not I'm saying that, like, Tom and Drew and Neck, like, don't provide anything, but I really wonder what it would be like of me and you talk together if I could... It'd be fucking great.

No, I just mean in terms of just like, just the mania. I'm sure you get the mania with them. I was just doing... Oh, it definitely do. Tom's another one. Tom's another one. I mean,

all of them. Movie nights are good, and that's maybe why I'm thinking, like I love just, I can replace drinking with snacks if there's a movie being watched. Big fan of that. Yeah, yeah.

But our last few tours, we've done those little fucking buses that don't have a lounge. There's no viewing area. But this one, we're doing a nice bus. Maybe I'll just be a movie night, Guy. No, I don't think you will.

You think I'll be drinking. Also, like, it's, It's kind of boring as well because if you're actually just watching a movie sat in silence after playing a show. Fun movie. Yeah, it'll be banter.

What are you watching like? Stepbrothers. Yeah, probably. Or like I like doing like a series like on tour you do like a fucking right now me and I'm like we're doing the Saw franchise from front to back

which gets progressed. progressively worse, as you'd imagine, for any, but you could do that on a tour bus. Yeah. Every tonight, guys, we got, remember we got fucking Hellraiser, seven. Is there seven? I think it might be ten. We're going to watch a horror film tonight.

Yeah. As is tradition. Me and you. Some of the good ones that we last watched together was it Basking? Basking, yeah. The Void? The Void, yeah. Bloody good.

The, do we watch his Airby? film? No, I've never seen it. You've never seen it? I think I watched that on my own. That's worse. You've never seen it? It's fucking horrific.

No, yeah. I don't know if I need to. I think you've got kids as well. You don't want to see it. Really bad. Truly a horror film, though. I'll defend that for my grave. Yeah.

Yeah. I said that once and someone was like, you're fucking sick. I was like, it's a great horror film. And they were like, you're sick. And then I was like, it's the only movie that is ever true.

horrified me. Really? Yeah, it's really... What about the exorcist? When you're a kid? Well, I was a kid, yeah, but... As a fully grown man, there's not been a movie other than the Serbian film

where I watched it and went, oh my God, that is fucking horrendous. Other than like rotten.com movies, but they're real. Yeah. I showed my mum one of those ones. You know their story? No.

When I was a kid, I thought it was fake, because I'd just assumed that it would definitely be fake. And I showed my mum this video from rotten.com, I won't say what it is because it's fucking horrible. Is that illegal to have watched it? I don't know. Anyway, this is a joke.

And I was like, mum, I don't know why. I'm like, come and have a look at this. And it was like, this video of someone getting fucking shot. And she was like, what the fuck he? Like, obviously freaked out. And I was like, no, it's fake. It looks really real, isn't it? And then I like was going through.

Fuck me. The internet was great. easy. I was going through the frames to try and show her that it was fake because I was like look, it just skips over, like it's just good special effects. Found the frame where the bullet hits the head. That was my child, dude.

That's mad. Our old drummer... I'm laughing about it as well. I shouldn't be laughing about it. It's a real fucking video. Yeah. I remember him showing me stuff like that, like ogresh and stuff. There was a different time. A different time, yeah. I don't know what I mean by that. That's why I'm fucked up in the head, probably. But

I will defend that like it horrified me when I found out it was real obviously that one and I was like that that's horrible I never want to feel like that again whereas people would maybe some people watch it

and went that was great I'm gonna go and do that so I don't really know it told me what my preferences were early on horrible stuff horrible stuff not keen

yeah well let's watch but just a regular horror film later then I can't have got nothing on the bank other than like hereditary if we do it again because I've only seen it at that time of time I've only seen it once and it was wonderful yeah I think that's one of my favourite more modern

horror films did you do midsummer yeah also I think I did that with you did we watch that one maybe that's a that's a good one yeah that's the best bit splash of that

head gets splatted up wicker manish I guess that's probably an obvious nod deliberate isn't it did you watch Beau is afraid no

it's very wacky it's like avant-garde on a level of like past David Lynch yeah I don't know I've worn that it's very weird one time like

Adam Christensen was like you've ever seen a razor head and I was like no It was like, let's watch it. It's amazing. You'll love it. And I just remember being like, and I love David Lynch stuff.

I love Lost Highway. That's crazy even though. And, wait, Lost Highway is definitely the one like, I'm at your house. Yeah, best fucking scene ever. Yeah, that's creepy. But yeah, a razor head. I was just like, why have you made me watch this? Yeah, very weird.

Yeah, but I was afraid of like, kind of a razor-headed in terms of just like, this doesn't really make sense. Good, though. Shot well. nice to look at but I need yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah something like maybe very satanic or something like the cult

is what I'm actually meant to say that's always we watched the witch together didn't we we used to have our we had our horror movie nights the guy that made the witch

it was only horror films yeah only just nice a couple of metal metalers um the guy that made the witch

is making nosiratu like a Dracula thing In the same style I got a Where all the witch And he did the lighthouse If you saw the lighthouse

I didn't Lighthouse is very lynchy But I loved it I went to the cinema To see it with Gabe Dragon Neck And Drew

And we came out of it And we were all like I think I loved it It was super fucking arty Right But that guy's doing Drag Have you seen Bram Stoker's Dracula

there? Who's in that one? Keanu Reeves. Winner and a rider. Yes, yeah, I have. Respectfully. I watched it yesterday. Gary,

is that also got, no, it's not Tom Waits. Is in like a scene? Or is that the other one? I know. I didn't know. It's a movie, isn't it? Okay.

Henry Rollins is in Lost Highway, though. Yep. And, yeah. Isn't Tom Waits in a, I love how the podcast always just evolves into movies. I'm a movie guy. Movie buff. Love movies.

Craig Kermode. Mike Kermode. I don't know. He knows. It's a big movie guy. Did we ever talk on the last podcast about Lars? Because I feel like that's something that everyone's always like, that we said we'd talk about, but we may have done it already.

It's the reason that this podcast exists. Yeah. Was because it was originally going to be a podcast called Unjustice. for Lars. And the first episode would be me talking to you about how Lars will work is actually fucking sick and everyone can suck a fucking big one. One of his.

Is it an head one? No, it's one it is. From the horse's mouth. From the horse's hand, hoof. Do you know what I feel like's happened is we're talking quite quietly. Like,

both having a little come down. From some of the mania. We've picked. Yeah, yeah, I am. I feel like that now, yeah. Thinking about food. We didn't talk about Lars, yeah, I'm hungry, you're hungry. For some reason, the podcast thing keeps saying, like,

it was on 11 hours and now it's on two hours, so I don't know how long it's actually going to last. That's not how maths works, because it's only been one hour, 20 minutes. But I don't think I had the Dream Festival segment when we lasted the podcast. Right, yeah. And I hate this segment, but we're you, I think it would be fun. Dream Festival Right

I'll talk you through it I've no I've heard it I've heard you listen I'm an avid listener Long time listener Good thank God First time guest Second time guest Third time guest

I can't remember Maybe maybe twice I think so Um Where is it Where is it gonna be held I mean I wasn't prepared for this Um barley

Great answer You can You can be prepared all you want But you're not gonna come up With a balancer better than Barley No, yeah, barley. I need he said banser. Yeah, I think you did.

Why barley? Just great place. It's just nice. Yeah, food's great, climate, beaches. You played there or just holiday? Just holiday vacation. In between tours or just went all the way there? In between.

It was on the way to Australia. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Did you do the monkey temple? Vegan? Yeah.

They're not captive. They're just roaming around by free range monkey. Yeah. They just happened to be there, yeah. Why else you do? Just ate a lot of food. There's a lot of good vegan stuff there. Is there?

But even like the non, there's like loads of good like vegan restaurants, but there's loads of just restaurants that like, just all the food's good. I only been once and I just got, I honestly don't even think I ate a meal. I just got fucked up for like a week. It was crazy.

It was a BWP played a show. And we did a South East Asia tour landed in Bali for the first show and the promoter went missing for the whole Southeast Asia tour. So other than like, I think we had to Singapore and something else at the end. So he'd gone missing.

So we had no show book that night. We were supposed to be in four different countries after that. And we ended up just being like, fuck it, we're in Bali. What happened to them? Don't know. Just fucking, maybe ticket sales were terrible and he just did a run.

Oh, right. Okay. Nothing more. No, nothing sinister. But, um, good movie, ish. So we just, like, well,

we got fucking a week off in Bali, then let's just fly to Singapore at the end of it. It just went fucking nuts. Five lads in Bali. Five single lads in Bali was fucking mental. Nothing like that. We were at all above board. But yeah, it was good.

Good times. Anyway, your festival. What's next? You talk all over the guest. I'm really fucking sorry. I've got something wrong with my brain. It's fine. It's the same brain.

What's next? What's your catering? Like, you've got a dream festival, dream restaurant. You would love to cater the festival. Yeah, yeah.

His brain's going to. Tandori connoisseur from my village. Really? Yeah. What, is that what's called? What, and is it a vegan or they have a vegan? No, no, it's just, those are vegans.

stuff on the menu delicious what'd you go for what you go to um it begins with d no not doppie arza uh well he doesn't know danzac danzac yeah what's the spice level no what's the girth in it you got no mock meat what's oh yeah no it's like vegetables lentils it's kind of like a um what's a lentily curry i don't know the names of any of them yeah no uh all right you got curry for catering yeah Um, Dahl, that's the word I was looking for. Oh, yeah, that was on the tip of my tongue.

Cilosis is playing. So what time does Cilosis play? Oh, like, like sunset, I guess. I don't know what time that would be, what time of year it is in Bali, but...

On a main stage? What stage you want to be on? Oh, can we close the second stage in a tent? Yeah, why? Good vibe. Because you've got the, elements of like an outdoor festival but you got a lid on it and you sound you always sound better in a turn there's like you're like more enclosed but you're still sort of outdoors but speaking of sound who mixed the new siloises record me yours truly me no does that mean me

why i say you're actually me yeah actually i mixed it oh the pizza's on the way you're out of fucking luck guys it's not here though uh you mixed it um you mixed it Yeah. So since the first two EPs, that's your first time back mixing? No, I did the last one as well. You did that as well? Yeah. This one's better.

Yeah, definitely. I've got a lot better. It's annoying how that happens, isn't it? It's not bad the one before it, but this one is like, I heard it. And the first thing, Adam sent me the link, and I went, who mixed this? It sounds fucking great. And he was like, Josh. Yeah, I just, I love production making stuff sound good.

so yeah thank you have you done anyone else like recently does some of test mixes I did a create a live mix I am looking to do more of it yeah create a live mix

that's pretty fucking sick yeah nice yeah but I mixed like here and there that's the fucking it's the dream gig though I can't do it

because I don't have the attention span anymore and I genuinely love doing it as well yeah but like that's like me I like grading the camera shit like I can sit there all day and fucking, that's like mixing for eyes.

Yeah, yeah, it is. I mixing. It's eye mixing. Who I mixed this? I'm still not over. AI. Just I is really fucking funny. Yeah, it's the dream because really,

you don't have to deal with anyone, really. You'll have to deal with mixed notes, but it's not how you're tracking about engineering a record is the worst. Yeah, I'd be super picky. with bands that I'm going to work with for that. For mixing? No, for tracking and producing. Are you looking for doing tracking as well?

I am doing some, yeah. Are you? Fuck, I don't know I could do that anymore. But if the band's sick and like good musicians and they got their shit together, it's fine. Kurt Ballou-style. I think he goes and there's a little listen and I think you have to send him like a live recording or something.

Does some in-depth thing. I mean, yeah. That's a good idea. I mean, just tracking, like, musicians that can't play the stuff they write. Me and you've done that a couple of times. Oh, yeah, we have, yeah. I'm not going to throw them under the bus, but I've never, ever had to fix so much of every instrument. People can't piece it together from this.

I can't even piece it together. I don't even know you about it. There's a band that it was either a band that I tracked and no one could play their instruments and I had to say to you, like, can you play this when they've gone home? that rings a bell or no it wasn't that i thought about doing that but i didn't do that it was a band that you were tracking and i tracked the drums for because i had a drum studio and they didn't have one and you didn't have one but you were already doing the album and uh between the two of us we had to fucking it was a chop suey with the edit it was fucking mental yeah

happened a lot so i i'll avoid that happening yeah man's still going so Good on them. Thank you. Do you make it? Rest of your festival, I'm just concentrated on pizza right now. Yeah, I'll try and get through this real quick then. Who's headlining?

Metallica. I know, but it's so boring. Whose main support? Or who's headlining? Oh, you want a headline in the second stage. Whose main support to Metallica? Equal size. I'm getting that manias coming back,

because I'm thinking about the baza. Yeah. This now says one hour as well, so we do have to fucking... Yeah, I mean, I'm... You don't have to speak fast, but... Yeah, I guess.

I can chaperone you through the rest of it. Pantara with all the bad stuff. Probably that. Probably Pantera. Probably 90s sepulture with Max. In there. I really want to talk about that pantera stuff, but someone's going to take it

and put it into a fucking news article if we do it. Death with Gene Hoagland, symbolic. It's a dream festival so Chuck Chuckie Boy could. Yeah, yeah, Gene Hoagland

symbolic era. I don't like sound of perseverance we've had this chat. Yeah, symbolic someone for me, an individual. While the band's dying. Now, death, death's good. I'll give you... Cannibal corpse.

Death. When was the last time we saw a cannibal corpse? Morpard Angel. I was listening on. my favorite bands now um not that long ago no yes long ago he's on a click now and he's fucking sick yeah they were fucking amazing eric rutan's fucking ripping yeah fucking love root town yeah unreal um how many bands are i mean i could go on and yeah give me give me some more because people don't know because you like good music just give me a bunch of

fucking bands yeah okay put nine inch nails on there as well perfect circle talk talk Obviously, Tall, Tawls way up there, actually. Slipknot, Iowa era. You must have been at some of those Reading Festival shows. Yeah, boy. Back in the day. Sli-N-N-law, that was good stuff. That was pretty stanked.

We're doing white, white suit, Slip-knock? First time I saw it, and I think this is the only time I've ever seen him do it, it was half of them were in white bodice suits, half of them were in black. Reading Festival, no, 2000. Fucking Campino. What?

Do you remember those little sweets that were like red and white swirl? Sorry. Yeah, Campino Slidot. You saw Campino Slip-Lit-Lot? Yeah. It was, that was like the best show I've ever seen. Campino Slip-N-N-Kampino. I hope I'm not making it up.

Campino was... Yeah, I think you're right. But there was no red. It was just white and black boiler suits. And it was the loudest show I'd ever seen. Campino sweets. nostalgia, Campino,

strawberry and yogurt. There you go. Our stock since 2001. Not long after. It was a year after I saw the wedding festival. I thought you were going to make

a 9-11, I don't know why. You said not long after, my brain goes 9-11 because it was 2001. Did you know what I think of it is buying God hates us all? Every time I associate with being in college,

hearing about that and picking up God hates us all. Album fucking rules. Yeah. It needs its flowers. Oh yes. Paul Bostaff needs his flowers. I love Paul Bostath.

I love Lombardo. Bostath. No, you're just teaching me a phrase I've never heard. Needs his flowers. It's like someone underappreciated. Give them their flowers. What are the flowers for? It's being good.

Yeah. Yeah. He's sick. That album rips. And they're going to be on the dream line up too. There's a cat that is just looking for something. Is that it? location, catering, bands.

What's your after party? What do I like doing? Eating? Just snacks. Popcorn. Horror films. Yeah, nice. Where are you staying?

What's your accommodation? Pool party. I don't know. Pool party's good. This is why I stopped doing it because everyone's dream festival is, oh, it's in the best place and I have for the best bands

and I have for the pool party at the end. Yeah. But I'm wanting, I'm wanting George, because you went a little bit in depth. I realized. I'd forgotten to ask you about who mixed the thing because I thought that was interesting

because you did a very good job. Thanks, mate. It's a very good album. Thank you. What's your touring plans for next year that will be out by December? I hope it's out by December. We should be in Australia in January with Dyer as Murder.

It will fucking be out, surely, by then. Well, by that, I just mean I hope the tour definitely goes ahead. I'm just, like I said, I don't get excited about stuff if it's like next month's like, oh, the tour's actually been postponed, or cancelled. Who else is on that line up?

We've got to be quick because I can see this you're going to run out of shit. I don't know if the lineups confirmed. Oh, but it'll be good. It was. This cat is determined to be a river in the podcast.

I don't think it is. Oh no, it would have been fucking great. Not blast beats. You'd have to pull out the fucking fast songs. Yeah. I'm not saying you don't belong there.

That's all your brain tick there. Who? Who do you think you are? Festivals, hopefully. Hopefully get some of them. And then America end of next year, this time next year, November.

Check out Josh's Patreon that I'm bullying him to starting. Yeah, hopefully I've got one. He's like, oh, I don't think I want to do it. And I'm like,

just fucking do it. Like you said, Twitch keeps you accountable for your vocaling. Yeah. Make Patreon keep you accountable for your guitar shit. Give people their fucking

whatever YouTube video. Just ask a little bit of money. I'm going to put out YouTube videos every, every fucking week. and I'll continue to do but this is supporting me give me the money on Patreon

I'll give you the stems that's the pizza but we can't talk about architects oh fuck me