The Downbeat - Joshua Travis - Emmure/Solo

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

My guest this week is Josh Travis, guitarist of Emmure and more recently a solo artist with his new EP 'NO REST'. We talked about all those things, and mullets. It was very funny. He's the best. Enjoy!

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which you're listening to right now, is Joshua Travis. Joshua Travis plays the guitar, and I later learn out the drums and fucking everything else. In a band called a Mure, but also, also, he is so, talents, it's so filled to the brim with talent, this man, that he has a solo project, which

is just called Joshua Travis, and he has a record out. It's an EP called No Rest. It's really actually very good. He was in a band called the Tony Danza's lap dance. The Tony Danza, what they called? Tap dance, not lap dance. I didn't have to check that. I just had to check the vial of my brain where I've stored that information. just call them Danza. They were really good as well. One of Tom Williams from Strape in the Path's favorite guitarist ever. We talked a lot about a lot of bullocks,

actually. It was really fun. A massive section on Mullets. We talked a bit about his EP. He's such a good dude. It was so much fun. It's Joshua Travis on the Downbeat podcast. What is

this? You're in. Everybody's screaming. I can do that. for you. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. You're here. I'm here. I'm here. Pitch black in what looks and sounds like a submarine. Is it? I'm getting the submarine? There's a slight submarine sound coming. Nothing mental. Don't, don't disrupt it. It's less submarine. You told me you were going to edit the whole room. Well, did I say I was going to do it? Because I definitely didn't do it.

I can see that you didn't do it. Because I was supposed to have like a whole other hour to just, you know, come and just... Listen, I didn't make the time difference. You actually made the time difference. I know there was a switcher-roo that happened and I didn't get to do my hair, makeup, wardrobe, nothing. There ain't much. No offense. There ain't much to do with that hair.

Are you kidding? I mean, this is what's interesting with you, right? because you can obviously grow hair but you've chosen you've chosen and it's fine but you've chosen the shaved head life I have I have

get it out of here I hate it why is that I don't know what it is I think I was a very very young boy when my mom said don't ever have long hair

don't ever Is this real? Are you doing a bit or is this real? I don't know So I just decided at a very, very early age, I look weird with hair. Don't you think I look, this is, this is, I'm not talking to you right now, this is chat only. Don't you think this big ass head would look even more weird and big with hair? Currently, you've got, you look like some sort of Chris Nolan villain because of your lighting situation.

We've got half of your head. It's fine, it looks arty. I don't know what's going on here. I didn't even touch anything. Okay. You said, you said, get on now. And I was like, when you said, are you awake? It's like, I'm not even supposed to be awake right now. And you were like, you have three minutes. Okay. I was sliding down the stairs, putting on clothes. Sliding down, well, like, the fucking, like the Ghostbusters. You have like a, you live in a, I mean, it looks, who knows where you live based on what this looks like? It looks to me that maybe you live in the Ghostbusters house and you span down the fire thing, the fire, what they call it a fire pole. into this fucking room of darkness. It's fine. It's a stripper pole.

We all know what it is. This is fine. I fucking love a stripper pole, if I'm honest with you, mate. That's not the time of the place to talk about that, but fuck me.

The, what I was going to say, we'll talk about music at some point. I can't even remember what I was going to say. It doesn't matter. This is, this is.

Did you want me to go this way? Because I know we talk about this. If anything, I want you to be fated. Oh, I was still on the hair. conversation rare by me. I would like you to come slightly closer to the camera maybe. If you're watching this, if you're listening to it, if you're watching this with your ears, then this will be boring. Look, you look lovely. What I was thinking, I was trying to think of

like good hair that you could have. I mean, you pull off the shaved head, but. This is a conversation I'd love to have because we talk like in, in my stream, we always talk about wigs and I'm not against it. Why would you get a wig? I can see the follicles of your shaved head that there's hair there. You get a nice fade, line it up at the front. Ah, that's, no, you're talking about work. You're talking about an upkeep.

You know, I'm going to have to go see someone. Probably, let's just be realistic. Once at the very most two weeks, every two weeks. I'm not having to see something. That's, it's probably going to be more like once a week. Like, not two weeks. Once a week, you know, if your hair grows, fast. This is way too much work. You just give me a wig. Give me a good one. I want a real one.

One that I can style. Fucking Rick James. Like, you just got to be cooler. You just did like Rick James hair. I really did. Like, I want it to be, I wanted to be good. What do you want? Like talking about emo hair? Not like, I don't want to, I don't want one of those. So what would your idea of wig be? I don't know. This is something I need help with. I don't know what the right? Why are you getting a wig? That's what's the sound to me. It would be sick.

Imagine this. Super sick wig, Howard, whatever the style is, and then a cowboy hat. Whatever the style is. Well, I can't,

it's impossible for me to pick. I don't, I wouldn't even know where to begin. Yeah, because a wig, you can't get like, in my opinion, a nice, a nice,

like, and I know it's a gender neutral thing, a haircut, but a nice man's haircut with a nice fade. You can't beat it. You can't get a wig with a fade.

Can't get a faded wig. Can we not? We're not there yet? You're fucking submarines. Oh, is that the water pump? Yes. I would love to see where the fuck you are. Currently, you look like,

currently you look like Master Splinter and there's a fucking, you're in a sewer. Get that hood up. There's a sewer. Look at that! There's a sewer. Ninja turtles are next door in there, before they get the ooze.

Before they get oozed. What time is it? How are you? I don't know. Do you want me to interview you? Do you want me to interview you? I do you. I mean, we can do me as well. I love talking about me, but we can do you.

I have some questions for it. At least, I don't know. I don't know. I can't stop thinking about the wig right now. Because I want to have a sick wig and a cowboy hat. I'm really feeling a cowboy hat. A really nice cowboy hat is very expensive. So I want a really, really nice cowboy hat.

Really cool. One of the one of those guys Shoo. A proper shoo. Yeah, I want one of those. What hair would be underneath a cow?

You don't need the hair. A mullet would be great. Josh Travis with a mullet. Fucking hard. You ever had a mullet? I feel like, did anyone in Danza have a mugget mullet?

A mucket mullet? Yes, there's definitely been one of those for sure. I feel like you were really in the mullet area. I feel like that sort of what, 2006 maybe? I'm one of the people keeping it alive. Without any hair.

Keeping the mullet. But I have like mullet presence. You're an ally of the mullet. Oh, I am. You're not wearing a mullet, but you are with, you're in cahoots with the mullet community. There's got to be a mullet wig. There has to be. There's no way it's not a mullet wig.

at the front. Can't you, you can, a good wig, you can style it, I'm sure. So you just pull it back or whatever,

put it under the cowboy hat, and then a hard-ass mullet in the back, just a real party back there. You know, big mullet energy. Like, like,

you get it. Big, big mullet energy, okay? This is where I want to go. I, the problem, my problem with mullets,

and I've never done a mullet myself, is because my face looks like the kind of face that we'd have a mullet. You know when you see a, little rat boy and he's got and he's got a mullet and you think oh i wonder what he's been up to right that's the kind of face i have so if i if i if i added a mullet into that i'll be fucked there's no no i think it'd be sick here's the thing what let's i i'm sure this probably isn't a mullet at this

point but it's like you still have it go all the way back but you tighten it up tighten it up get it given it like an inch and a half, you know, length, but just really tighten it up there and just freaking, but not like a Mohawk, though, not like a Mohawk. It's still got mullet energy. You're so invested for a man with no hair, a true ally. I love hair. I love hair. I'm an ally. It's real. I love a, yo, Camero Crash helmet. What is that? Here's how you make money, right? I know you already make money. You're on Twitch. Twitch.com.com. The Joshua with Travis, same thing? Is that the same handle?

I'm trying to plug you here. Yeah. The Joshua Travis. So, you do a sub goal where you grow your fucking hair. And then if, no, hear me the fuck out here.

I'm listening. Because it's going to take you a good couple of months. You set the sub goal at like a thousand subs. And if you don't hit it, you shave your head again and it goes back to zero. And people will do it to see how fucking long your hair will get. And you will get.

and you will make bank. I would do it as long as I can shave my facial hair. You're allowed to do that? I would do it. I would do that. Think of the money. I'm always thinking about money. For someone who doesn't really like money,

I'm like, wish I could do that. That's fucking clever. How many people would actually do this? Because me personally, I'd be like, I don't really give a shit what you do with your hair. If you do it, I'm going to give 10 subs every single month. Especially if it ends in a mullet. hang on let's do this

what happens is if you reach the sub goal I mean you'll end up just looking like a dickhead the the obvious thing to do is to just let the hair keep growing but what you could do is when you reach the sub goal the front gets shaved

so over the months the mullet is created so and you just yeah you just Just shave it. We hit it again, so you shave a little bit further. You shave, and all the while this back is growing.

Oh. You see what I mean? Okay. That's like, I know exactly what you're talking about now. We're crossing over into another territory now. Yeah, it's hair capsitis. Yeah, okay. Now I see where you're going with this.

That's like... About that? What's a thousand subs? That's like, that's a lot of money. I can't remember what it is, but it's a lot. I've never hit it personally, but it's a lot. no way you've never hit it get out of here really

what's the most you've ever hit go on we might as well talk about this because we get more people on Twitch because I'll go what the fuck 1300 that's 1400 yeah it was an insane time it was insane when was that water pump man uh

did you did you need anything Mr water pump? Okay let me know um this would probably have been three four months ago That's fucking awesome I don't know what we had going on

But like support was like out of just out of control So it enabled me I think it was like conversations about Switching to streaming full time Because I was kind of at that transitional period Where it was like If I can't figure out how to turn streaming Into like an actual job

Then I have to stop doing this and go get an actual job You know and They were like no You will not be doing anything of the sword You will be here every day and this is what we'll be doing and that's how that worked so it was insane

I was for a while then we changed it to every what is it Tuesday Thursday Thursday Friday because I had to track all this material you know and I'd go out to Michigan and whatever and now I'm doing the

Amira record and so now it's like basically impossible to stream every day and still be productive doing all this other shit basically by myself. So I have to like put a lot of time into that. And I still haven't gotten the okay to just be able to stream writing all these songs because you know, you know, that can get a little hairy.

So haven't been able to do that on stream yet. But I don't know, we're going to, I'm just going to try to find more cool stuff to do. And we do this new metal Thursday all the time where we just play like only old new metal songs. Only. You physically play it on the guitar? Yeah.

Yeah. That's pretty cool. Pretty soon, once I can get an E-Kit, then we're going to start playing drums instead of just guitar. You're going to make less money. I make no money playing the drums on Twitch. How's your stream looks, it sounds insane? Because I'm playing a song, people don't subscribe because the people subscribe for you to say thank you. Quite rightfully, you're giving you money.

You should be saying thank you. But if I'm in the middle of a song, I can't say thank you. So people wait until I'm doing one of these little talking things. And then they give me it then. But as a result, I've never hit 1,300. If I could hit 1,300 a month, I'd have a couple more addictions than I already do. I'll tell you that much.

It'd be amazing. Don't let that turn anyone off from subbing. I won't spend it on that. Probably spend it on shoes. Yeah, this is like, it's hard to really, like, grasp what it is that we're trying to do when we're trying to make, you know, Twitch and streaming, like the main thing where it's like for me that's what it's been for a little over a year now

but you know i was like really late getting into the into the stream world like for a long time i was always like you mean to tell me someone is sitting behind a camera and people are watching this person and like supporting this person like monetarily i was like there's no way people still don't believe it did they yeah i didn't i didn't believe it for a long time and then finally started kind of paying a little more attention and watching and looking and seeing what it was like. And it was, it's kind of like, you don't, you don't realize what it's like until you're actually like, you know, in it, you know, and then it starts to make a little more sense. And then my next excuse was, nobody's going to watch me.

Like, nobody's going to care what I'm doing. Like, yeah, right. And I started, when I first started streaming, there would be, like, literally my two friends that were like, we want you to start streaming. Just do it anyway. It's just even if nobody's there. When was this? So it was just, I guess it would have been 14 months ago.

Wait, I thought I was later than you. Did we do it at the same time? We must have done at the same time. Maybe so. Oh, how are you so fucking popular? How did you do it? Well, I don't get to push the number up every time. No, back it down.

What was it? Back it down. 13. Sorry. Yeah, like 13 or 14. Anything over a thousand is a million. But see, here's the thing, though. With that, we were doing, I was streaming from a Mac first off.

So we were doing, like, basically community-driven goals. So with that, we went from one house to the next house. Then I had to move again into here. And then we set the stream room all the way upstairs, which is two levels up. Excuse me, we set it up there. Then we actually started to outgrow these things, where it was like, the room was weird. I was streaming six. which was fine but felt it always felt like man if I was staying up this could be like way cooler

and so then we ended up moving around the stuff in the room then we ended up moving everything down here then we had to stop streaming with the Mac because they would lock up stream webs on purpose and yeah so then we did all of these things to like basically level everything up so that is when the excuse me the subs were like way high because you know we're trying to upgrade all this stuff and we did. So now it doesn't really need to be that high. You know, but now it's also...

Say it again? I started a Patreon for that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So... How does that actually work for you? Because I'm a part of your Patreon. So, yeah.

Legend. So I think that's maybe why my Twitch subs are a little bit lower because the Patreon was to pay for this and to pay for all the gear. And it works amazingly. I just, it's one pound, as you know. It's one pound.

and there's enough people on it that means I don't have to get a real job so I can just do shit like this but I think that's maybe why my Twitch is lower not that I'm quite happy with my Twitch when I'm at home and I'm smash it but I did for a while I pushed my bollocks up inside my body

and dressed as a woman and even then I'm still getting 500 subs and you would think there's at least 500 each bollock having to go up into my body to tuck my... penis behind my bum to fit

into a dress, you would think there was more money in it. Anyway, I'm glad you're smashing it on Twitch. Hey, we're trying to. Was it a pandemic? Is that why you started it? That was just when, but definitely not why.

Really? Like, what? You were flying in the pandemic, really? I wasn't doing anything. Like, writing a little bit, you know, I worked with a couple projects. Like, I wasn't really doing anything and just I don't even know how I found like this group of friends that I did but it was on Discord so that was like my first experience with Discord even and they're like didn't that whole conversation started and my boy Yama was like dude you got to stream you got a stream

he said this for I can't even tell you how long and I was like bro I'm not streaming nobody's gonna watch that like I said it for so long just exactly the same as me yeah it's crazy and then yeah and then it turns into whatever it turns into, you know, some days are freaking insane. Some days are just more chill. You know, but as long as we can, you know, have something fun to do in there, then it's like, it's worth it. So now I'm just trying to figure out more things that I can do, which always requires more money. Always. What's next? Every time you want to do something, I can't say it because it's too cool. Too cool.

It's too cool. It's cool than your underground bunker. Way cooler than this. Way cooler. But now it turns out that since I just moved in here, like, what, seven months ago? Now I have to move again. Again. Are you in a place that you live in, or is this a rented place? Like a studio that you rent?

Yeah, this is my apartment. It's technically a townhouse. So it's a pretty big place. But so when you're doing like, I know it's really hard to see what's going on in here. but I call this like a mini installation, basically. Like me and my boys had to like put this together. We had to build this room into this because this room is not a real room. So we had to basically partition the room.

What's behind the veil? Because there's a big green curtain behind you. What's behind the bodies? Is it like a cannibal courts album? I can't talk about that. There's certain things we don't talk about. But it's like this is like the basement. And that's why you keep hearing the water pump kicking on because the water pump is

like back way up that way. And so now when it's like, okay, now I got to move, find another place. Now we're talking about we've got to tear all of this stuff back down, all of it, just to go move and then try to finagle setting it up in the next place. So it's, and every time you move, everything changes. So it's just, it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird. I'm going to go through that.

We're going to sort it out. I'm going to move as well. I'm planning on moving. Move all this shit. How soon? I'm going to get my flat value tomorrow. And if that goes well, I'm going to put it on the fucking market and fuck off somewhere. Yep.

That's what they are. They are actually offering me this place to buy. And like, as much as the place is awesome, the location is awesome, this is going to make me sound like trash. But I am so tired of going up and down three flights of steps just to be in my place. I'm over it. I want the biggest flat. Are you the top floor? No, I just have three floors in my place.

Oh, what a shame. Yeah, that does make you see it a piece of shit. I've got upstairs neighbors in there. Absolute fucking nightmare. You're your own upstairs neighbor. I came from that. I came from a flat that was perfect. And it was three bedrooms, two bathrooms.

On a flat, it was perfect except having upstairs neighbors, like two floors. of upstairs neighbors. And then the roof collapsed. So I had to move from there, and I moved from there to here. So, and honestly, like, the last place is where I really started to put all this dream stuff together.

So moving into here kind of felt, even though it's less rooms, but it's more room, felt like, okay, I can do more with this. You know, so that's why me and my boy, we just, we have done so many different setups with this. And now we got to this point where it's like, this feels cool for now. So here's a question for that, because I'm going through the same thing.

So when you're looking at your next place, or if you've picked your next place, are you picking it based on streaming? Because that's all I'm doing. I should be, and I'm not, but I really should be. I'm exclusively looking for somewhere that looks fucking cool for streaming. So what are you picking then? Like what is the idea in your head that's like this is the style? So some sort of feature back wall or realistically my budget, this is fucking boring.

My budget is not like three bedrooms, which is what ideally I need is two bedrooms and then a stream room. But there's a couple of cool things where like if the living room is cool enough or has like a mezzanine level or something like that, then part of the living room can be the streaming area. Yeah. So I'm just looking for stuff like that because I wanted to look really cool. I want to be able to do the podcast in it rather than just like this room. It's a bit shit. There's not really, there's not really a vibe in here.

I feel like there is. You look great. Yeah, but it looks awesome. Thank you. But outside of this, these, this. this small water pump area that I've got here is that currently there's just boxes and boxes of shoes a suitcase that I haven't unpacked from tour

and you couldn't bring someone in here and do an interview or a talk because it's just looks a bit like shit I'm pretty sure you did I'm pretty sure I watched it yeah but it takes so much like cleaning and getting everything ready and moving the camera I just want it all set up I'm so lazy and so ADHD that if it's not not, if it's not perfect already and I don't have to do anything, then I just won't do it. Oh, I totally get it. That was like, like me and my boy Muggy, that's why we keep going.

Like, every time I do something, he has to be here. Like, because we really put all this stuff together together. So every time I'm like, but this thing is just right there. And so it's, just like never ending. Like every, do you ever notice every time you make an upgrade that's like, okay now what's the next upgrade like it's just it's just like never ending so man like i get it like if i was to just walk you around this room because i'm sure like when we're sitting here it looks like it's really small and this room is not small like i can walk around in here like it looks it looks big if i'm on with you it looks like it looks like um fuck what do they call it in in get out when he goes to that place what's the in the in the the it's the

when he's in the chair and then he sinks down into it. Yeah. Because you're just in a chair and there's just black shit everywhere. None of this is racial, by the way. Just for the... It is... It is a big room. Like, it is.

And it seems so awesome. Like, the floor, like, this is what sucks about building a room like this. Like, the floor is trying to rise off of the floor right now. Like, that's where we're at. So imagine I'm like running around in here playing songs. And then I almost fall because the floor is lifted up this high in one spot that I wasn't paying any attention to. So now I got to get my boy back out here. So we can see her and plan how to stick the floor to the floor.

Never mind. We have to move. So now what are we doing? Now what are we doing? Have you got a place sorted? Let's get off moving in the minute. You haven't got a place. Okay.

So we'll look for a good stream room with a crazy fucking atmosphere basement. Right. without a water pump in it. Side note, every friend that you've mentioned today has had an insane name. None of them, there's been at least four. None of them have been called like Greg or John. Everyone's had a cool name, which is fine.

I like it. I'm all for it. And this is a sweater. What's that shirt? I don't have this shirt. I don't have any of the shirts. Look at this. Yeah.

Okay. You like this shit. That's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I'm...

You've got a code anyway. Use your code. I will. I will. Let's see if I remember the code. Well, don't say it now, please. But let's just see what when I go to even get something, let's see if I actually remember that that is even a thing. If not, that's going to be the bottom part.

Just message me. Bad. Right. Before we talk about the elephant in the room of Doom, which is your... is your new EP, which I thought was an album. Luckily for me, it was an EP, so it was a very quick listen. It was great, though. You said your boy in New Amour.

When did you join Amour? How did that happen? Did you consciously try and make them a better band? Because that happened. I most definitely did not. Like, excuse me, um, 2015 is when I joined up with Frankie. Um, oddly enough, I met Frankie via, well, met Frankie via face, uh, my space. Um, Frankie's really known for like kind of finding stuff that's nobody knows about.

He's really good at that. He can, he can really like, I don't know how he does it. Like what? Like, like, just bands or artists. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's like, he actually found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Yeah. In my head, I've got like, like one of those fucking sniffer dogs. And I was like, I was really good at just finding stuff. He found this old coin, Roman coin. Anyway, carry on, carry on.

Tell your story. I'm sorry. So I guess he just messaged me on my space. That, you know, way back. Yeah, it was. And, like, I didn't know who he was, who the band was. Like, I don't even know how he found me. To be honest, I have no idea.

But he was like, you know, love the stuff and he was like it would be awesome to work with you in some capacity at some point in time and now i don't even know what year this would have been i haven't i don't even or is this you doing your solo shit this was this is before danza yeah i was before i was doing anything you would know who am your right exactly which that was when i think that was around the time that i did find out who they were and so yeah that was like we talked then i don't think we ever talked again until i was in danza i was in danza i was I don't think that ever happened again.

But that was like when we initially met. And then, you know, meeting up with them on the road, you know, him and all the original dudes or whatever. Like, it was just all loved. It's always cool people. And I guess at the end of Glass Cloud, which I never even really realized that that was like the end. It's just... We're going to have to ignore the water pump, though, because it's just ruining the podcast. And the water pump itself is ruining my...

award-winning podcast. But then us mentioning it every time is also ruining it. So let's just agree the water pump is out. Yeah, there's no water pump happening. Okay, don't make me put my hood on again. Don't. Carry on with your fucking story. So, I guess you fast forward to,

Glass Cloud is not touring. I kind of have no idea where that's going to go. Let's get a chronological order for anyone that doesn't know who you are So you did solo stuff Then you did the Tony Danza tap dance extravaganza Which the name is ridiculous But the band was fucking unbelievable It was something

It was fucking sick It was so good And then after that you did Glass Cloud With Chad hasty on drums Yes And that was sick then you fuck that off as well and then we're now

his way your story is but everyone should check out all of those bands anyway because you are and I'll do this now you are one of the most unique guitarists in heavy music it sounds like you are punching the guitar

like the way you play the guitar is absolutely bonkers and you can hear it it's like the guitar's not some people They'll put EMGs in a guitar and then that gives them the aggression. But you physically abuse the guitar and the aggression comes out even more. I don't feel like I'm doing anything weird.

I feel like I'm just playing like everybody else does. I watch everybody else and I'm like, this is sick. And then I just, I'm like, I want to try. It sounds like that. To me that I don't play the guitar. This is how, if I listen, I listen to a repeat this morning. It sounds like you're playing from behind the strings outwards. That's the only way that I can describe it.

It sounds like you get in behind the strings and you punch your way out. And that's how the noises happen. Oh my God. That's the... Somebody needs to write that down. I get behind the strings and punch my way out of it. And that's where the aggression comes from. I guess if you pick at the right angle, you kind of can really like...

come out of it. That's what I meant. Do you do that? No, I'm, yes. Yes, I do. I don't know. I have done that. I've done that my whole life.

I have no idea if you're joking or not, because I don't even know one of those things works. I definitely don't. What's a whammy bar? The sickest thing you could ever put on a guitar. Period. Doesn't narrow it down. What does it do?

What does the noise make? It does. Woo! Or you go. Whoa. One of those guys? People do dive bombs. Yeah, unless you want to use like the whammy, like a pedal or something like that.

No, we want that. Wow! We want one of those. Is that a whammy? When someone does a solar, they goes, bough. Is that a whammy? That's a wami bar. Yeah.

The more you know. Typically. Because, I mean, you can also get that pedal where it's like, rather than having a wamy bar on your guitar, you can just do it with your feet. You know, so you got like a, Tom's got one. he could just do it like that he can do it right there a foot one isn't he yeah yeah yeah he doesn't do it like that

bombs he just goes bapobobo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo fucking he fucking dumb idiot he does some wild stuff with it he does yeah he's the best

but he loves you anyway where are you glass cloud that stopped Into a mirror 2015 2015 that's when the whole thing started

he initially hit me up asked me, would I be interested in doing a record with him? You know, he said there was like, you know, some disarray in the band, so I didn't really get into much of it. He just asked, you know, would I be interested in, you know, coming to do a record with him? And it's like, yeah, this would be sick, you know. And then, you know, once it all started to, like, play out a little bit more, you know, realizing that it would be in a mirror record.

So by this time in life, I like a mirror. I think a mirror is sick. Now, the one thing I wanted to do was to keep it sounding like a mirror. Same thing with like Tony Danzo. When I came into the band, I didn't want to come into the band and change the band. I wanted to play in the band because I loved the band. It's like, this is sick stuff, the material's sick, and it's like I don't want to get into it and change it. You know, so, but, you know, along with a mirror, getting into the band,

everybody else that had anything to do with the composition of the band left the band. So it was kind of like, now, Danza was worse because Danza was like, you know what it sounds like. Now imagine I'm walking into that band and somebody's saying, here's the keys, go make it happen. And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, I have nothing to do with this band. Yeah, no, not at all. Zero percent. When did you come into Danza then?

2008. Which record? Like Danza 2. I just want to start getting good, see you can say it all you want That was when I got into the bands When they were touring on that Then I, after touring with them for whatever amount of time

Everybody had to leave the band It was like no bad blood anywhere But they all had to leave the band And then that meant now Danza 3 and Danza 4 have to happen And now I'm writing on Danza 3 Which was like the weirdest time ever Because you know now it's like

trying to maintain and grow a sound of a band that you had nothing to do with. You know, so that was like a very weird point. That's what I do is, Trey, join the band, go like, guess what, boys? A bit more metal now. But it's like, even if you feel like it's more metal, it's more, it's probably more bouncy now than it's ever been, probably now. And you do some very interesting things,

in drums. Like, you, the way that you compliment some of these parts is like, when I listen to it, it's like, being a drummer first, you know when a drummer has a swag. You just know. It's like, you see it, you feel it, you hear it, you know it. And even when you're just, when you just, sometimes I can watch you and see, like, you're sticking parts

and you're going through it, and then there's other times where you're like, you start doing, you do this weird lean thing. When you're really vibing on something, you start to lean in a weird way. And you do this a lot. Oh, yeah, you do. And especially in this, boom, boom, boom, boom, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum,

I'm a weirdo. Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Like, these fun little things that you do, that's like, that's a swag. Like, you know, anybody can make it. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, you do. And don't even get me started on the, the part.

I'm not even going to say it. It's the part. Okay. What's the pot? Like, you know, I don't know, the part with the, the thing with the Tom's and the... Oh, the new thing.

Yes, yes. You can relax. You can relax. Okay? You didn't have to go there. You didn't have to do that. Okay? Like, the part is so... You know what it is.

And you could have relaxed. You didn't have to go there. It's easy. It's easy. You try and get me to play slow. I've got a thing where... And I've actually... I'm learning to harness it, right?

You might relate as a guitarist or anyone might relate musicians. Like, I've got a thing now, I don't know if it's a fucking caffeine problem, an ADHD problem. I've got a thing,

I've always had a thing where, if I have to fill every single beat in a bar, oh, I can do it, and I can stay in time and everything's fucking sick. If you ask me to not play eight of those 16 beats and play half as much, I have too much time to think about what's for dinner, what,

what is everyone's shoes in the crowd? That person looks funny. You know what I mean? And then I start fucking stuff up. So what I'm starting to do now is have, like you're saying with that splash thing in the guillotine verse, I keep my hi-hat pedal going because because that boom, bat bump, bump, bump, bump, there's a lot of space in there.

If I don't fill every single gap in, I'll mess it up. So now what I'm doing is that one part of my body will play every single beat, possible, even if it is just my head moving or my left leg or a ghost note, I have to fill every single beat of every single bar or else I play badly. That's so interesting to hear that because I'm stuck on 16th notes. Like no matter what I'm doing, the grid is 16, no matter what. And finding where I land or don't land is whatever. But generally, I'm very much the same way.

It's got to, things have to line up in certain ways. And the slower it is and the less that I'm doing, the harder it is. Yeah. It's so easy to come in on that in between the last 16th note and the first 16th note. It's so easy to just accidentally push stuff. Whereas if you just chew your mouth a little bit on the beat there, it'll slow you down. Honestly.

No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You look like a dick and everyone comments on it. It's fine. It's like it's a nailed apart. You can call me whatever the hell you want. Exactly. Did I nail the part.

Okay, so your first album with Amur was. Look at yourself. There it is. You have no idea how lucky you are. I just pulled that. I'm one person. I have no idea what anything is called. I was about to say take a look at yourself,

but it's look at yourself, isn't it? Yeah, look at yourself. Yep. With natural born killer on it. Mm-hmm. Song is, it's the best of Mule song. Song is fucking unbelievable. Why?

Why do you feel like this about it? The breakdown is, it starts with that Tom Phil, which is sick in itself. Then that's heavy as far. It might as well be a breakdown. But then the actual breakdown, if you put a panned guitar, syncopated pan guitar before a breakdown, I will punch myself in the face. Anyone can do it. Just pan that shit.

It's almost like the panned guitar is the china on its own. One pan guitar is like, someone's going to die. It's the Ralph, the Ralph Wiggum, I'm in trouble of guitars, is one pan guitar chugging, and then it's like, where's it going to go?

I know exactly where it's going to go, but there it is. When that breakdown kicks in. I post that song all the time on my story, because I listen to it all the time at the gym. And there's so many people who, like, they'll send me a message like, a mure, really?

Because I got a lot of people that don't like a mule. And then I go, go listen to it, and then they listen to it, and they're like, holy shit. And then they listen to the whole album. And they're like, holy shit. And I'm like, yeah, they good. They're good.

You know, I always feel like they got a bad rap for, I don't know what, because they don't do like a bunch of crazy riffs or, like, super technical stuff. And, like, I guess for me, coming from a technical background, it's very nice to play stuff that's not super technical. It's, like, actually more fun to play. It's like playing in Danza, it's very much like, what am I doing? Okay, I got to make sure I'm here. What am I doing?

Yeah, okay, this part is gnarly and take a breath. Hold it, go. Like, a lot of stuff like that. Whereas in a mirror, I can just do whatever I want. You know, I just go for it, you know. And that's a lot of fun. It's fun to have fun while you're playing, you know, rather than having to be so critical and like paying such close attention all the time.

I don't, it's not as fun now, like having to be in that mode. So playing something that's a little less involved like that is super fun. to me, but I always thought that that was like really weird how so many people were like, disbanded is whatever. All they do is play open. All you need is open, you know? I think it was more about

the dick sucking t-shirts. I think that was, I think that was where people went, you know what? I'm out for a bit. But it was a, it was a different time. Yeah. It was about seven years

ago. It was a different time. But then, and that's where I just sort of fell off, and I was like, nah, I still listen to Goodbye of the Gallows, album fucking rules. And then I didn't bother. And then your one came out. And I was like, fuck, this is good. And now I'm in a Mewa fan. I'm back. I'm back, baby.

Oh, man. Well, I hope, hopefully we're about to piss people off within this new record, because it's not like the last couple. Oh, what have you gone done? I'm not going to say that it's country. I'm not going to say that. Well, you ask. You'll see that face? I'll see that face?

The cowboy hat. I'm not going to say it's country. But it is. Would you mean it's country, though? Okay, first off, imagine Frankie singing a country song. Yeah, in my head, I've got that fucking awful Danny asking Alexandria, Mexico song. Don't you dare bring out an am your song. called I'm going down to Mexico

I would never I would never it's probably just like it's probably a lot heavier than even I would have imagined it was going to be well how have you gone from country

to is actually heavier because country is honestly really heavy like country's heavy if you can if you can get past the heavy racist if you can get past that you realize like

oh this is actually, this is actually hard. It's heavy. In my head, I've got Toby Keith. Bon-O-N-O-N-O-N-O-W. Do it again. Do it again. Don-w-na-l-out.

Actually, don't-no-na-out. Yeah. Distortioning a bit of Josh Travis' inverse guitar playing. Okay. Oh, I'm ready. I'm ready.

This is just that. If you put Frankie with a metal, Toby Keith, you get King 8-1-0. Yeah, that you're not wrong. And are they not stupidly heavy? Stupidly. Yep. Yeah.

Stupidly heavy. So I just figured, you know, every time that I've gone into starting writing new and mirror stuff has always been kind of like, me and Frankie, I got to get where he's trying to go. Because I'm trying to put together the sound that he's really trying to, you know, I want to write something that he feels strong on top of. You know, like, so it makes the most sense. have him involved when I'm trying to create what the sound is going to be. And starting this record, we put together like three songs just to see where his

where his vibe was at. And the heaviest one, which is one I figured he would be like, ah, this, he's like, this is like, this is like way too much. And that was the one that he was like, yeah. So define this heavy because currently you've told me it's country, but now you're saying it's the heaviest one, like fast heavy. is heavy. Both of those. Both of those. And I'll tell you this, if this actually ends up going the way that it is right now, this will probably be the fastest of your record ever.

Really? More than like, yeah, like fast. Like, that's, which is something, I don't, there might be like a few of your songs where... They haven't been fast since the first record, I don't think. Right. Like, I think there's like, there's a handful of, maybe if not songs, parts where it's like, They pick it up a little bit. No, dude, this is fast. This is just straight up fast. And, like, he's just kind of was like, what are you really feeling? Like, what do you want to do?

And I'm like, I don't know. I just, I like to, like, rage and then chill out. You know, I just like to rage, beat it into the ground and then chill out. Like, that's my thing. And musical moment. I'm talking tight and bring it back, baby. That's what I mean. So, like, let's just rage and bring it back.

You know, nothing crazy. But he was, like, actually into it. And, like, I got some weird sounds going on, like some really weird sounds happening. Like, so it's like... Give me one of those sounds. With your mouth right now. It's kind of like, uh,

hmm. Basically, imagine all the sounds that Tom is making, and I'm stealing all of his sounds. Well, he steals all your sounds, so maybe we'll just make the same album. Why can't we just be in the same band? You weren't you? Before me?

What did you do? Did you join or you just filled in? I just filled in. But I was playing second guitar. That's when that, oh, I don't know if we could talk about this. I haven't cleared it, but if you want to do it. Are you sure? I didn't go fuck, do I?

When I filled in with stray, back when Ryan was still in the band, Rat boy, the rat. Yes, yes. So way back then, I don't know where we were. but we were on tour somewhere and the venue was the stage let's talk about the year before you say something

everyone can grow and change and be nicer people you can have a t-shirt that says I want to watch you suck his dick and then you can take that t-shirt back okay we must forgive carry on what year would this have been in like what

because I mean they were touring on negative and violent so way before me so my hands are clean. Yes. And maybe like... God. Let's say 2009, 2010.

It couldn't have been later than 2010. Couldn't have been. I don't know. Don't quote me. I don't know. But that tour, we were playing someplace, no clue where it even was, but the stage had been recently broken. And so it was one of those stages where they just put a piece

of wood. underneath a crack or a hole to try to make it more sturdy. And as we started the set, like, stomping has always been a big thing in Stray. Always, like, we're always stomping. And I don't know when it happened, but it turned into who can stomp a hole into the stage the fastest is what it turned into. So now you're talking Tom, Drew, Ryan, and myself, all of us stomping on this stage to see who stomps a hole in it the fastest.

And we all did. All of the most ridiculous, childish fucking people that I know in my life. I can visualize this. It was happening. It was happening. And Ryan was always the fastest. Ryan was always the fastest to stomp a hole in a floor. Always.

I don't know how he always pulled it off because he weighs like 17 pounds and his hoodie. So, but somehow another, he would kick a hole in the floor faster than anybody would. And then once the hole started, it just kind of spray. red and next thing you know we're getting off stage half the stage is missing on you know stage right it's just like gone you know like you can see on into the floor over there it was it's wild like what what a time it was real it was very real i wasn't in the band so uh the stray would never do that now but you you right you should have a stage that should be able to deal with a bit stomping surely is it was it already stomped and then it was already broken and then you guys

We just took it out. As a saying in the UK, which American people don't have, which is called in for a penny, in for a pound. It means that you spent a penny, you might as well spend a pound. It's a bit broken.

You might as well fucking completely just destroy it as, yeah, some sort of weird competition. That's literally what we did. That was how it went. It's two, straight with two guitars.

That's weird. You're the only guitarist in a mure, correct? Yeah. Isn't it the best? Just one guitar. No, I hated. I hate it.

Like, majority of this stuff is written for two guitars. Majority. And like when I write, I write for two guitars. And I just have to make myself like, stop doing two parts all the time. Because nobody's, none of my bands have I ever been allowed to have two guitar players. Never. You know what they always tell me they say, you can do it by yourself, dudes. You don't need anybody else.

You don't need anybody else. You can do it. And like, okay, cool. I can attempt to pull this off, but it would sound so much cooler if I just had two guitar players, not to mention being a guitar player and looking either left or right and seeing your freaking counterpart over there just killing it, oh, that must be the best feeling ever. It's got to be so sick. Just look at the drummer.

Enjoy the drummer. Enjoy the bassist. I tell the drummer, look at my mullet. Okay? Sit back there and look at my mullet. I want to see that sub-goal mullet. The, well, you don't do any looping shit. You got a backing track.

No, yeah, yeah. I have to have tracks for anything that happens. And plus, I'm not taking a pedal board. Like, I can't do the Tom thing. I can't, I did it for so long. And then playing enough shows and super small venues where people are right there. Next thing, you know, there's beer being spilled all over your pedal board. Shit's fried now.

Like, I've had this happen way too many times. And the reason I stopped doing that was because of that. You know, so, you know, playing the shows where people can run up on stage. and you know jump off stage dive whatever like dude you can't imagine how many times somebody has done that and literally launched off of my pedal board happens all the time you know and tom gets really annoyed as if like yeah as if it's not pretty much his fault of having a pedal board in front right or at least having it like exactly so what do you use kempa you got your shit on busy mode you got the busy shit where it does it automatically absolutely i just automate everything so

I don't have to touch anything. Everything is 100% good until you have those shows where all your friends come out. And then they're up on stage behind the rig. And next thing you know, they're crossing to go over to the other side. And they unplug half of the MIDI that's running to the rack. Yeah. Oh, my God. I've had people walk behind my rig and unplug the entire station.

Just like, nope, never mind. I was gone. I absolutely hate backing tracks. I'm really, really against them. But if you've only got one guitarist and the old music needs the back and track, then sure. Why not?

Yeah. And I kind of see, yeah, if there's only one guitarist in the band and you write two guitarist parts, sure. Well, you know what my least favorite thing on backing tracks is? Other than fucking vocals. That's my least favorite. It's absolutely ridiculous and fucking far too many people do it.

But my least favorite is when they have like ganges. vocals. Like, as if the crowd is singing it, because it's in the song, because it's in the song that the crowd's singing it. And then you can hear it. And then you look at the crowd and you're like, that's not right. Because there's like five people singing it.

But then the backing track's like, yeah, you have, yeah, you have the crowd, either the crowd sings there. It's not there. Or you're not good enough. Or you're not good enough. So. Yeah. Your song didn't catch on.

I get it for sure. That's weird. Side note with that, though. You know what? I think it's the coolest thing in the fucking world ever, is that Animals's Leaders song, where the crowd just does the lead line. I saw a video of it from last night in New York,

and there's the whole room. Like, they don't need a singer. That's so sick. Yeah, that's literally epic. But also the line also epic. It's impossible to not know that line. After you hear it two or three times, you know the line. It sounds like a Mega Drive game,

like a Sage. Like a Sega fucking side-scrolling platform game. Physical education. I can't even play that, but I wish that I could. When I hear that song, I imagine myself playing it.

With no guitar or nothing, but I just see myself in your own room. Like, I can do it, but like really in real life? Okay, pal, sit down. Well, you can't play that. To me, a guitar,

a guitarist, no, a drummer, that sounds like it'd be easy. I mean, it's not. It's definitely not. I don't think they have anything that is easy. I really don't think they do. I mean, yeah, I can believe it.

I really don't think they do. Like, even the stuff that is easy to them is still, like, not easy. You know, like, but they're, like, all robots, basically. So it's like they can do anything. Like, literally, they can do anything. They're, like, jazz robots.

They're like, we're like, we're like, weird half human. They're like cyborgs. Because there's so much feel in it. They're not like robots is like necrophagist. True, true. They're like, they're just, they haven't updated firmware.

Let's just say that. They are, they made T-1,000 out of Miles Davis. That's what happened to there. Three of them. They're insane. They're insane. So I get, I would love to be able to play like that, though. I've killed to be able to play like that.

Oh. Let's seamless. Let's talk about your new EP. It's 17 minutes long. Is it really? Yeah. Let me just double check. And that was a good thing because I have no attention span.

Are you annoyed about this? You're annoyed about me calling you out for your 17? No. I just, I've never, I never even knew what it was. It's actually three seconds short of 18 minutes. Okay, cool. I didn't even know how long it was. I still don't even know what the names of all those songs are.

I have no idea. Give me a fucking... What do you want from me? I wrote the songs. When do the names come after the song? Are the names working titles, or do you have working titles, and then you just pick a name at the end, or do they name comes up to the singer?

I always have working titles, and I've made everyone who features on the songs named songs. But here's the thing is, when I have a working title for a song, I don't care what the song has ever named after the fact. It has never called that to me. It is only called the working title. Yeah.

So you get it. Every song. Every song. And I usually name them. And that's why it sticks in my head. And even on the new record, like Tom, Tom's so adamant with the like new names. And he's like, yeah, I think we'll play blah, blah, blah, live.

And I'm like, what? What is that song? Yeah. Even sometimes with the working titles, that's not enough. And you have to sing me the first riff. that's what I really know what it is

I'm good with working titles but Tom will say like yeah we're thinking about we will play this one this one this one I'm like do you mean my name is Barbara Streisand

and then it'll be like yeah and I'll be like okay well that's the name of the song in my head yeah why didn't you just say Barbara why didn't you say Strais

why didn't they just say Barbara in fact is Barbara Globstrand shit yeah why didn't just say Babs you want to play Babs now we're on to something

that's something that I could definitely like, there's an Amir song, I don't know what it is, it goes like this, it goes, da-da-da-da-dun-dun-dun-d-d-d-d-d-d- get up do-d-do-do-do-do. I don't know what that song is called, but I call that song 2015 Limpisket. If you call it anything other than that,

I have no idea what we're talking about. I have no idea. Yeah, I'm a bit all that. Yeah. See, like Julia just said, it's called E. Like, that's like, literally it's a letter, bud. It's literally a single letter. I can't remember that.

But at the same time, you should be able to remember one letter. Usually a word you've got to remember at least four. Dude, it's literally the same letter of the logo of the band. It's literally the same letter. It's called E. And no, it's not what it's called. It's called 2015 Lump Biscuit. That's what it's called.

That's what it's called, period. If you don't say that, I won't know. People are lighting up the chat on Twitch.tv slash Renaud if you listen to the audio of this, with other working titles for the stray songs. Craig's Delight, that's track one on the straight album. Nice. The whole song is just, was born out of me sending Will and Tom all of my dumbest drum beats. And then they made it all into one song.

And then Will added a ride bell section, which was horrific. So then they called it Craig's Light. System of a Down Live at Rock Ambring. I believe the rest of that title was 2017 HD. I mean, it's like a track 11 or something. How are you going to remember that? That's so many things. You sound like Tony Danza's songs.

Yeah, but this is not the real name of the song, is it? That's the working time. But it is to you. My head, yeah. Exactly. That's a real name of a song. Yeah, but in my head, I say, do you want to play a system of a down?

And it means a straight-in-the-path song. Yes, I love that. I love that. Oh, I love that. I want to call every song that I do on the next record. I want the name of every song to be Slavitt. Slipknot. That's all. It's how I wanted to be slip knot. We used to have a thing. I used to play in the death map band called Viatrophy.

But we used to have like an, you know like just in jokes. We used to have an in joke in the band. And you, how old are you? You'll probably remember this. 41. Get fucked. Okay. I'm 32. Yeah, you're 32. Correct? No. How are you not? I'm 401. Are you fucking joking? Okay. Do you guys see that he's hitting on me right now? I don't know if anybody else has seen this, but this is happening real time. This is a Are you actually 41?

I'm blown away. I thought we were the same age. No, I'm 41. I mean, I'm not far off that, but fucking hell. You look great, mate. And all that hair, I eat. Grow that fucking hair

before that hair disappears. No. No, I'm going to get a freaking mullet wig. That's what I'm doing. I'm getting a real mullet and monetize it. Molletize it. It.

Molletize it. Anyways, So you will remember this more than me. Maybe you were too old for this. So we had like an in-joke. I kind of want to bring it back. So do you remember when Slipknot came out, obviously, but they had a website and it wasn't Slipknot.com.

It was Slipknot1.com because someone owned Slipknot.com. Do you remember this? I don't. No. Oh, for fuck sake. Someone. I wasn't an internet kid back then. I wasn't.

We didn't even. Yeah. I missed the internet. What's the fucking internet? I don't know. It was. They had Slipknot 1 because somebody owned Slipknot.com. But then they had the domain for Slipknot 2.

And it was, it was like always going to be something. They were like, Slipknot 2 is coming. It's going to be like a media portal. And then he never did anything with it, but they still owned a domain. So we had an in joke where if something was like promised to you and it never happened, it was Slip Not 2. I like that. So, like, if someone's going to flake, if you know someone's going to flake or something, just like, yeah, so-and-so is coming. Probably Slip-Not-2, though.

You should have never told me that because that is 100% stolen now. Yeah, I want to bring it back. I want everyone in the chat, everyone listening to bring that back, please. I love this. Slip-Not, too. You know what that was? You know what that was? Let's Slip-N-2.

Let's slip-nout too. I see. Yeah, can we just, why are we still talking about this? When, when do I get to try out for second guitar? What are we talking about? I will not, I would love it to be you, but I will not split my money. I will not split my money again. What if I got paid from another place?

Like it was just like, I get paid from the sub goal. The sub goals pay for Josh for one tour. Just one. That's all we need. That's all we need. We actually talked about touring together, not me and my band, but we have to figure out how to put it together still. There's another side of things that I like to do on the road.

I'm not going to say what it is where all these people can figure me out. Wait a minute. Are you an escort? What is this? What's happening? I don't want people to know exactly what I'd be doing. I wish I had a voice mod right now, so you couldn't tell this my voice anymore. I mean, underneath it says the Joshua Travis, so it's...

God, you could have muted that, geez. But yeah, there's like a... Huh? Are you a guitar tech for someone? No, I would never do that unless they paid me $5,000 a week. But I would never do that. But for $5,000 a week, I'd do it for sure. No, we'll pay it.

What are you talking about? Because it was funny and then it was cryptic and now I'm just confused. Yeah, I don't know if I want to tell you. I don't know if I... Because it's even better watching your gears turning and you're like, what the hell could he possibly be talking about right now?

No. So what are you saying? Do I? We were thinking of touring together but not my band. Yeah, well, it wouldn't really be like touring together. It would be like me touring with you guys. That's basically what it would be.

So there's another job. You sell merch. What's the fucking... What is the other job? Imagine me. Somebody comes up, yeah, I like to get the whatever. shirt and I'm like, it's your fuck itself.

No, you wouldn't be able to remember what shirt that is. I want the blue stray shirt and you go, I don't know which one that is. How am I supposed to know? They're like, they're all shirts. And then the guy's like, well, only one of them is blue. And you go, well, I guess is that one then. I'm like, let me pick you a shirt. How about that?

I don't even look at what's going. I'm like, you want this one. Do you look like you're a small? You know? The working title for that shirt was actually hoodie. Okay. So if you want to call that hoodie, I'll know what you want. This is perfect.

Like, just imagine me a freaking merch guy. Like, oh my God. And I'd be an L.D. Whoa. Is that a little string to the Joshua Travis bow? That's my, that's my thing. That's my real thing.

Like, God. Let's make that happen. That can fucking happen on a headliner. Yeah, we talked about it. We talked about it. And it was like, there was something you just did in the state, or you must have something coming up in the States.

Maybe that's kind of like, when you and time we're kicking around. Do you want to leak that tour or not? I was thinking maybe I should just put it out there right now so people know, and then I don't do the tour, and then everybody knows already. But there was something that we had talked

about. I just didn't remember when or where it was, but, like, L.D. is like, that's my thing. Like, I think well, it's hard to say, it depends on who it is that I'm running. The one time that I actually had more fun, well, not one time, but the times that I've had more fun L-Ding than playing was when I was L-Ding after the burial. And like, I love that band. So like, knowing all of their songs like that,

it was just like, the sickest time. And then running lights for them and then having to go play, and my light show was nothing like that. So it was just like, So you ran lights and then a mule played afterwards? Either, I don't know when or how this was. I feel like we were before them, but then I wouldn't have to play after that. I don't know how this worked, but we must have had... Did you remember the names of the songs? At least?

Absolutely not. No. You know what I had? Colors. Song names didn't matter. All I needed to have was a cheat sheet of my color stacks. That's all I needed to have. to do. And then I'd have to put together, dude, it was, it was just epic. I want to say that we played

before ATB. We were out with like, I want to say as I lay dying, but I wanted to say we played before them. So it was, you know, one of those things where I'd get done and I'm like disgusting and drenched. And then I go up to front house to get my, my show set up. And then we would just murder it. It was the, oh my God, dude, it was the most fun. It was the most fun. And so, knowing stray stuff, it's like, come on, come on. You don't realize until you watch videos back, like an LD is, it can make or break a show. Oh, yeah. You get someone who knows every little gap and it goes black in the gaps.

Yeah. So sick. It's monumental. It, like, totally is. And, like, see, there's another side of, like, that whole LD world where it's like, you know, the people, people come to the shows and they're like, You have, like, here's the best part of it, photographers, right? Photographers. They hate you.

They wouldn't get up in there? Oh, my God. Gabe hates me. You and Gabe fighting all day. They hate me, absolutely. So I have a thing. We all know, like, when we're on, you know, us at tour, we know they get three songs. They get the first three songs, right?

We all know. That's it. You do your thing in the galley, right? And you got to get three songs. And then we have, you know, some of us that travel with our own, like, you know, photo video people. And so generally, I'm not always thinking about the photographer because, like, I don't care. Like, get different gears so that you can figure it out. Like, but ultimately, I'm not just going to throw lights on the front of the band. I'm not going to do that.

Like, so that you can just sit here and we just see everything. No, I wanted to be like, what is happening? Yeah. You know, I wanted to be like, show, the show is for the people at the show. exactly so I wanted to be like an experience of things happening like things firing off when they should be not just like throw up front wash and then let's just start moving some stuff like get out of here dude like I want it to be sick you know and then immediately you get the freaking photographers that are like I'm like you know like that that's how I that's how I am about it but it's like you know I'll give them a little bit if you toured with both though and you had both then there could be Like, Gabe always knows when to shoot each member

because we're doing something interesting. So then he would just, he's the best. He would just combine that with Josh is doing this lights and this bits of this picking my moment or whatever. That'd be fine. I kind of get, I kind of get their annoyance with in-house guys. Because also, if the in-house guy doesn't know the songs, then you might as well just stick up a front wash because...

Yeah, yeah. I just turn there throw on exactly they're on a chase leave us leave it along

strobe although I love playing to strobes because every time I play to a strobe I go I look

fucking sick I can't play right now but I know out front I look fucking amazing I'm making

mistakes but if I go a little bit harder no one will realize because I look like

some sort of stop motion genius it's great though it's great so would you have somebody

who actually knows all the material. It's like, dude, you can't beat that. I hope this is a real thing that can happen. We've talked about it. We already have. I just have to figure out times and stuff, and since I already leaked everything,

I guess I know what we're doing now. Don't leak anymore, please. We need to talk about your EP because we're running out of time and I haven't done it at all, but I'm against all press agents because I'm of the firm belief that by this point of the podcast,

if people like you, and they will like you, they will now go and check out everything, regardless of us, like trying to sell it to them. So what I want to just do, really, is run down a couple of points that I have about the EP.

A couple of pointers, no. Yeah, I was like, be nice. A couple of things I wanted to ask. Program drums? Absolutely not. Yeah, they just sounded real. The ghost notes. Yeah, they're real.

Who played the drums? I did. Holy shit. What? There's nothing going. Shut up. There's nothing going on like that. I just stayed in the pocket and...

No, there's the last track's got the ghost notey section. That's easy. There's none of that. Where did you record that? Uh, and random... Well, random awesome. But it's Josh Schroeder's studio in Michigan. Yeah.

Don't drink the... Water. Their water still fucked? In Flint, yes, I'm sure. What a fucking crazy. Sorry to get political, but can we fix that? Yeah. Could we fix that, probably?

I'm pretty sure, yeah. Pretty sure. It would be quite easy to fix. Yeah. Okay. I can't believe that. So, because you've mentioned a couple of times, you were reaching a drummer. Mm-hmm.

Yep. Like, I didn't have to track, thankfully, I didn't have to track drums on dance of three, but I did have to track on dance of four. and then I didn't have to track again. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's like some, I don't know where it is in the YouTube world, but there's some clip of me tracking everything from some part on Danzafore.

It's on YouTube somewhere running around in there, but I hadn't really had to track a combination of songs for anything really since then. You know, I did like very little things here and there, but nothing crazy, but the day before I left to go, start tracking, no rest. My drummer, he's like, I can't get out there, I can't do it. Like, something came

up or something. So it's kind of like, do I want to, like, sit here with all these program parts, or do I want to just go through it? And we went through it. We did. Can I do one next time? Fuck, are you crazy? Yeah. My shit's literally set up. Yeah, you can do more than one. You could do however many

songs there are on the whole thing. That's fine. I want to do that. My shit's all set up. And before I went on this tour, I hate tracking drums, right, for two reasons. One, I hate, no one has enough money to pay me, and I don't like music for the most part. That's a big, all-encompassing one point. Number two, number two is when I last recorded drums,

um, was Pro Tools 9. Okay, so when you have to grid everything, because you do need to fucking grid everything for metal. when you have to grill everything back in ProTools 9 you couldn't do all your edits and then hit crossfade and it would do it and work

your PC would go and then it would take fucking 20 minutes to do one minute of music like as in the cross fade would take that plus the hour it takes to edit it so I was like fuck this I'm just never doing it I'll never edit my drums blah blah blah then I recorded a black metal album before I went away

and I had two bits of session work and I was like fuck it I'll just do it because I want to do it. I wanted to work with these people. And then I went to edit the drums. I bought the new version of Pro Tools. And then I went to edit the drums. And I was like, oh, wait, computers have got so good that that was effortless.

And then now I'm like, I've got a fucking massive studio and good microphones. I could probably make some actual money. But not, aside from making money, I could probably collaborate also with people I want to. So I would love to do that. That would be sick. Like, that's one of the... Well, it wasn't even like this initially, but it turned out to be such a collaborative thing

that when you really, like, when I stepped outside of it and really looked at it again, it's kind of like having five songs and nine features. Like, that's unheard of in metal. It's literally unheard of, you know, unless you have like a, kind of like a compilation type of a thing where it's like you got 19 bands doing 19 songs.

That's not what's happening here. You have one person who's doing five songs that has nine features. Okay, so let's go through the features. This is what I wanted to do. And I'll pull them up so you don't have to remember anything. So track one, Web of Lies.

Joshua Travis, that's you. Stephen... Taranto? Taranto. And Andy Sizek. So Andy is from Monuments. I met him the other day in... Where was I?

He was fun. We had like a nice... We went to a little dive bar after the show. He was fun. Who's the Stephen girl? He's a great dude. Stephen is basically the prodigy of guitar, basically.

Like he is... I am just like a super fan of him. Like, you know, I found him on Instagram however long ago. And I just kind of always watched the stuff he post and I'm like this dude is literally out of control and I did the whole I'm gonna hit this guy up and see if he would do like a solo on one of my songs and you know you send the message and as soon as you hit sent you're like tried to close it like I didn't do it I didn't I was I was

that guy and like minutes later he was like yeah I'm totally down and it's like does he play in a band or he's yeah he he does have a band um but it's like the craziest name I can never remember what it is I can't remember my own song names think I remember that his band name like it's like nebubilus or something the a rare by fucking prog people it's called the nebulous experiment the helix nebula i'm like that hensnebulous is it the helix nebula or is it he's he's insane though like he's like he's like an actual real life prodigy player like he is he's in he's beyond incredible he's just so insane and like so i've really thought that he would laugh when i hit him up like Yeah, see, would you be down to do this?

I figured he'd laugh at me and that would be the end of that. But he was down, so it's cool. And he was the only player feature on the entire thing. So it just worked out. It's just lucky how that happened. And I've done multiple things with Andy already. So he was kind of like my first pick, you know, for like, that's why he's on track one.

You know, he was like the first person I went to with the whole idea. So that was how that whole part came together. I'm looking at his stuff now and said, yeah, he's like mania solo. guy. The artwork for his solo album is so fucking cool. Yeah. The shit with the weird like utopia looking

shit. That is cool as fuck. I'm going to check that out. I'm sure I'll listen to it and go wanky guitar bollocks, but it's actually sick. The solo. He's very tasteful. I saw his touring with Pliny, so it must be. You know just from that.

Love Pliny. You know he's sick. I hate guitar and I love Pliny. Pliny is dude there's too many stories that can be had there's too many this is too many where you go

put one out how I met how I met Pliny we were we were it's not even cool but it's just crazy we were both on tour

I don't know who we were out with and we were at a we were both parked at a Walmart in El Paso Texas and like we you know we're both getting out

you know the routine you know the morning okay we're parked here so we're both walking out and you know look over and it's like there's another bandwagon over there like oh shit okay and then sure enough it was like pleney that was how i met pleney was literally in a walmart parking lot in freaking el paso texas like what what are the odds of that what did you buy in walmart can you remember i don't think i bought anything because i was just all schoolgirl like I just met Pliny, so I just went and got back in the bandwagon and laid down. I think that's it. What did Pliny buy?

Do you know? I have no idea. But we still talk about it today. I just talked to him just the other day. And he's like, yeah, I hope he said, he literally said, can't wait to run into you in a Walmart parking lot again. Like, he's the best. He's just awesome.

What a good person. Music being incredible. Okay, Leviathan. Yeah. You got Josh. Travis, that's you. Again, I think that's always going to be there. Is that Rio from Crystal Lake?

Yeah. I thought I recognized it when I was listening to it. And who's Chad Kappa? Chad Kapper is the vocalist for this insane, I don't know if I'd call them Matthew or something, but they're called Frontierer. I don't know if you've ever heard of them or not a crazy band. I didn't tell to check them out and refused based on the name.

They are insane. say the name. Worth a listen. Worth a listen. For sure. Frontier. Frontier. Frontier.

Frontier. Frontier. Fuck off, boys. Just change that. I know it's a bit late. Sick band. Yeah, everyone tells me,

but I'll never listen to it because of the fucking way that the name looks and sounds. Next. Yeah. Distain. Featuring. The Palares boys. Josh Trave. Davis.

Who's that guy? Don't know, but he's 41, apparently. He should know better. Jamie Hales, Jake Steinhauser. Steiner? Who are they? They are the singer and also singer

and bass player from Polaris. They're just a couple sickos. I was like, you know how their voices? They work so well. Like, they worked, like, in tandem. Like, they just, they were, like, it was awesome just watching how they worked together on the track. A lot of people, for some reason,

were thinking that Jake played bass on the song. It's like, no, Jake does vocals as well. Like, Jake, and Jake are both doing the vocals on that. But he didn't play bass. You didn't play bass? Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Parallel.

That's how to. Parallel is Jake and Daniela. From? I'm not going to tell you. Did you guys see that face? Do you see that face? I'm not going to tell you. You don't know the names of your fucking songs.

That's not my fucking. You're trying to sell your fucking album here. I'm not telling you who's on it. I'm not going to do it. So Jake is from Reflections. If you don't know who reflections are, whatever, not going to have that conversation. Shut up.

Shut up. There's no way you don't know who Reflections is. Put an S on the end of any name. I'm not going to listen. I told you I hate music I hate it Tony's Tony's Danza I mean only because that was such an insane name anyway I would listen to it

but you put if you pluralize something I'm not doing it I'm not doing it in my head they all sound like counterparts yeah they don't sound like counterparts they don't I know it's a me problem I'm fully aware of it I'm fully aware

look at this chat right now look at this chat right now corns. Come on. That's erects. But you know what I mean? I just, I lump them all in with each other because I'm an idiot. And I just don't. It's the same.

I talk about it all the time. Everyone was like, watch Breaking Bad. And I go, guess what? I'm never going to watch it now because of you. Yeah. Dude, they're a very sick man. Very sick man. I've known them for like a really, really long time. Daniela, it was somebody that I met more recently from streaming. And she's just a sicko.

She's like multi-instrumentalist and vocalist, even though she'll say that she's not. And clearly she is. But yeah, she's, she ended up, I ended up needing her voice to be in that whole ending section of parallel. And then Jake just kind of did his thing on the whole track, you know. And then you got all that war, which is my favorite track. Why? Because of the ghost notes? Because you're a drummer.

The drums are interesting, but the riff. beginning's real fucking nice. Thank you. It's the real, it's just a classic Josh Travis. The whole thing's classic Josh Travis, but it's like, it's that chunky, chunky, rhythmical, gloriousness. That's literally what I was going for. I just didn't want it to be like the gent thing.

I didn't want to put out something that people just knew I was going to put out. I didn't want to do that. So I wanted to go with something that felt like a little more nostalgic. Like it comes from like an older place, not like, not what's current and modern. I didn't want to do that. I felt like the solo being on the first track set the mood with that because I was like, immediately I was like, that's not Josh. That's gone a bit fucking Steve Vai in here.

Right. And I, yeah, if you know me, you know solos is not my thing. Lead is not my thing. I just like to riff. Like, that's what I really like to do. So I thought that could be really cool coming out with something. that has this searing insane lead on it, you know,

where it was like, all right, we're definitely changing it up here now. Like, we're gonna do something totally different with this. And I think, I think I kind of did it. I just,

I wanted the stuff to feel like it was kind of early 2000s, kind of. Like, I wanted it to feel like it had early 2000s aggression, you know, without all of your typical breakdowns. Like, you know, just jump, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug,

whatever. I didn't want to do that. I didn't really want to do it like that. And then especially in the mix, like, oh my God, the one thing I really did not want is a modern metal mix. Didn't want that at all. I would honestly, like, as weird as it sounds, I would rather put out something that sounds like shit than to sound like everything else. The drums sound real, though. That's why I questioned the program drums.

And you could have really sampled those and made them sound not real. I thought it might have I thought it might have been very clever programming but it's not it's you no yeah I had to play it so but there was just something about like the mix that people that are really into current and modern metal

that's not something that you look to like no rest is not something you look to like yeah this is the mix everybody wants like that Josh wrote me and Josh Rotter did the whole thing but it doesn't have like that current more cinematic metal sound. It doesn't really have that.

I can't, that's probably why I liked it because I can't stand that sound. That one snare drum that everyone uses, that one clean tone, the fucking, the edited metal core guitars, every single fucking band

sounds exactly the same. Yeah. Oh, I'm actually, that's ruined my day, just remembering it exists. but it's a thing and that was like the one thing i did not want to do which is why all the songs are like actually like in all honesty all the tracks are clipping everything is clipping which is the josh travis sound though as well every day it is you're a mure album's clipping the fucking the danza three and four absolutely fucking fucking smashed and i love it

That's where the inside out guitar comes from. Yeah. It's just a compressor overworking. Probably a handful of them. Probably like four or five compressors like overworking. Just like take a stack of them and just do little, little movements with each of them. A little bit of pump. Oh, yeah.

The new stray record's got pump on it. Oh, yeah. It does. SSL bus comp and then you can see it just going like this. And it's like, and every school of production says, no, you shouldn't be doing that. And it's like, guess what? Guess what? I like it.

Yeah. Dude, if you're not, if you're, if you're on an SSLG, like, G, and you're not hitting at least negative six on that thing, hit the threshold harder. I wanted to, like, I wanted to do that. That's why you're not going to correct it. Gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, and you can just watch the thing go. Yeah, yeah. You know what else pumps? I love it.

You know what else pumps and fucking pumps and fucks? planetary duality yeah the pump on that is fucking mental but I love it yeah dude I haven't heard that name in a long time wow that album and again dog shit sounding drums and loads of pump

not that yours a dog shit but like you know like not the norm and it just creates a vibe like I can listen to it I had a thing on tour, right, where I was in illegal state or whatever I have to say. I think I talked about this on whatever's going to be the next episode of the podcast. So apologies, if you're listening to this backwards. I took a bunch of mushrooms.

And I could hear in sincerity in music as if it was an instrument. And I went, because I was like hanging out and partying or whatever. And then I was like, I'm going to my bunk because I have some introspection to do. and I went into my bunk in a legal state, blah, blah, blah. And I could hear insincerity in music, and it was crazy. I was listening to loads of music that I love, and I'd just be like, no, that lead guitarist does not mean that lead line. He's just fucking phoning that in.

And it ruined a bunch of bands for me. But a lot of shit came through, and a lot of the stuff that was underproduced came through, where it's like, yeah, this is fucking organic. these people make this. This is a moment. This is not just somebody's sampled fucking snare drum situation. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, that's, that's, that's very wild. I think I got, oh, I don't know. I think I let a lot of that kind of stuff go like a really long time ago. Just having to do and be a part of so many different projects that kind of like run into that, even with myself, like sometimes I have to just do what the project is asking for. Then it may not be something that's like, you know, true to my feelings or true to my heart, you know, because it's, it's not my thing. So I can't really just do whatever I want to do. You know, sometimes I got to do what's right for the artist or

whatever, you know, so I definitely, I definitely get that. How did you get a way with getting the Josh Travis pump on every record then, because you've done that? I honestly, this can sound wild, but I don't, I have never nailed the mix and the master and the sound that I want for anything. Never. And I'm really like 99.8% believing that I won't ever hit it. Like I think the sound that I'm going for is either not attainable or it's forever changing. Like so I can never actually get there. Yeah, but that's the sign of a good artist is literally never ever happy and you push. And that's what makes you better than other people is that you push because you're not happy and you're trying to reach this possibly

unreachable level of either performance or mixing or mastering or whatever and your 98% is other people's 100% so you continue to push yourself no one I know who's a musician is really happy like whoever

you finish your record and you're like wish I'd done this wish it sounded like this even like fucking Nollie nollie hates the sound of the joy of motion can't stand it and I love the way that record sounds yeah it sounds incredible

hates it damn that's wild but that's it's all it is it's real like as far as like dude here's here's a perfect example like for the last a mirror record hindsight

like the one thing that really kind of bumped me out about that record is the guitars are actually really low on this record and like not by my choice like i like things to be balanced i don't like i don't like guitars being crazy up in your face that they're like literally too loud i don't like that i like things to feel really balanced and like i like uh i like my if there's vocals there i feel like the vocals really

need to be what is standing up top and i think drums and bass is literally what carries everything So now what we've just said is the most important parts to this mix is vocals, drums, and bass. Now, all that leaves this guitar, so I'm not going to throw the guitar. It's like, oh, screw it, toss them up as high as you can. Like, I just wanted to fill it out to where it's like, bam, like, this is where it needs to be. And, like, because I, the reason I'm saying is because I noticed a comment somewhere, and somebody said, uh, sounds like another Josh Travis thing where the guitars are so low, you can't even understand what's going on.

And I was kind of like, do you think the guitars are low on no rest? I feel like the guitars are pretty loud. Now, the most recent Amir record guitars are crazy low. Crazy low. Not by my choice, but that was just what it ended up being in the end of it.

But that was just like really strange to me that this person was saying that the guitars were even low on this. And it was kind of like, how is this? It sounds like you guitarist to me. that just wants to hear just guitar. Every guitarist on earth wants the guitar's too loud. Every drummer on earth wants the drums too loud. So you need a producer or you need somebody that plays both.

That's it. And that's what I was going for. It's like I need drums bass and vocals. Like those are like the big things that everybody can latch on to. It's like for a band type of. of scenario, you're not very likely to come to a show and see people in the crowd singing the riffs. You know, they're probably going to be singing the lyrics, though. So it's like, I don't need this to be, you know, having the guitars all so far up in your face that it's like, I can't even hear

anything else. And I hear that a lot in a lot of modern production, that the guitars are always just like, what? Why are the guitars so loud? You know, it's like, and it's just, you know, everybody has their own preferences and whatnot. I just don't, I don't think they need to be too loud. You know, They just need to be sitting in a sweet spot. And then you need to, if you're mixing it, and you're like, if you're mixing something and you're in the band, there's one simple way to do this, you just send it to a couple of other people.

And you go, what does this sound like? And immediately off the bat, they'll go, this is too loud. Mm-hmm. Yep. Especially if it's somebody that you really trust, you know, like, man, you can't beat that. You don't even have to send them a whole track. Send them 10 seconds of a track.

It doesn't take long, you know. Just like, get another pair of it. on it. I think now where I'm at in this musical journey, I like to believe that I found I can find sweet spots for guitars to sit at. And like, I mean, the amount of automation that goes into where guitars sit, like sometimes I really need to dial them back, you know, create the room and the space for everything else to happen. And when you get to that chorus or whatever, then I might press them a little bit, you know, just push it up. But if I do that, now you know, I got to push this up, you know, the vocals got to come up just nods,

Now if that just happened, the snare is probably going to be getting swallowed a little bit. So now I've got to bring this up. Next thing you know, the SSL is not hitting negative 16. You know, yeah, you know. So it's just a, it's a wild thing. It's, but it's fun. It's just, you know, having an analog recording versus, like, a purely digital recording, like allows us to be able to clip without clipping.

Oh, so it's on a, it is on an analog desk with the... It's not even a desk, it's just, but preys. You know, so it's like, you can still. bring all the preys in and still control them like you have a desk basically but it's like being able to hit things in an analog realm and not clip it like you would in a digital realm so now rather than clipping everything now everything's just getting oversaturated and then more oversaturated and then when we were at that point where it was like okay this is sick everything is like screaming like just just for just for uh like a peace of mind here the drum bus

Like in the session is hitting like plus 64 dB. Plus 64 dB. So, Hot, exactly. That's hot. And now, exactly. Do the high hats plus 33 dB.

The high hats. Really? Yeah. In that goes notes section, I did notice there's some fucking some hat going. Yeah, you can get some bleed from a lot of different things. And it's like now that we've gotten to that point where we're like,

saturation is definitely, tickling overboard at this point. Then it was like, all right, how can we do that again? So then we took the whole mix and we ran the mix to tape. And then now we get to juice it all over again. So, dude, it was just, it felt so good being able to do a recording. Because I've always wanted to do a recording like this, where it was like, keep things as little in the box as possible

and then do the things we have to do in the box that will do it. that way and then coming back out of the box and then hitting a tape machine and then coming back and just to make sure okay nothing ever clips like that's it so it was like man it was just a lot of fun doing a recording like this you can't beat the way drums sound when they've been like soft clipped in a tape like that oh my god the aggression and the glue the glue of it i can't wait to go back and listen yeah it's cool man nice And the drums, I honestly thought, just because of the genre, I thought maybe they're just incredibly,

and because I know you're a fucking little genius, I thought maybe they're just incredibly well-programmed drums. But now I'm going to go back and analyze. And I suggest everyone in the chat, everyone on listening to the podcast, everyone watching on Twitch, goes and checks out, No Rest by Joshua Travis,

and analyzes the mix, and then leaves comments about what they would have done differently. on Josh's channels not mine don't send me anything yo just just be kind be kind

this is my first attempt only if it makes sense if there ever becomes a hey you don't got to tell me twice I've got a I got a big boy visa

coming I can go do fucking whatever I want hey I'm not going anywhere I'm right here If there ever becomes a demand for it, I absolutely will. Absolutely. I bet I get that.

But I'm not just going to just jump out there. Like, I'm touring on this now. It's like, if, you know, if people start talking about it and stuff and like there's like opportunity. I better get that call. Why? We're having it right now. We're having it. Sick.

I've got to ask you because it's a, we're running out of time, but I've got to ask you what your top five artists of all time are. And I haven't given you any warning. Oh boy, no you haven't Okay Am I limited to any genres Or is it just literally my favorite Your favorite Someone in the chat said

I'm sure this EP will rip It is out now on all streaming platforms Yeah, it's out everywhere Check it out No rest Joshua Travis Corns Stop

Listen 40,000 monthly listeners on the audio podcast You can't see this fucking chat that you're referring to. Tell me your top five artists of all time. Burnt by the Sun would definitely be one in there. In your top five? Absolutely. Soundtrack to

the Personal Revolution. Yeah. And perfect is the enemy of the good. Both of them. That album absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I haven't listened to it in so long. Dude, I just learned one of my last streams, I learned a song from that. Like, I've never attempted to play their songs. And, like,

learned one of them and it was the best feeling uh shooter magavin amazing song that song human steamroller yeah all of them oh i can't wait to listen to that at the gym haven't isn't done so long finally learned one of those um it sucks dude because like a lot of the stuff that i'm really really like digging right now there's too many but i can kind of more so pin it to a sound which is like uh kind of like a scent length wave, I think, is what people call it. It's very chill stuff. Like, some people call it like chill hop or some shit like that.

I don't know. It's like very soft stuff. I swear. Just people calling stuff. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. But you know what I mean. Like that softer stuff.

I like things that are female fronted. Like female like soft singing types of things. I really love that kind of stuff. Well, these aren't artists. You're giving me genres. Unless your artist is lo-fi. beats for you to relax slash study to in which case might be in my top five

because that shit's fucking sick yes it is that that could definitely be one of them but it's so much easier for me to name an artist when it's like a band or something but I don't know do band you've given me one so burnt by the sun but definitely say Willhaven

definitely my sugar and um do you know how I'm gonna I'm gonna go you use half your brain to think about the other two. Do you know me, Will Putney, I might even just,

I was about to leak who the singer is. Me, Will Putney, Tom Williams, and a singer who used to be in a band who is very good and some people are so annoyed that he's not in that band anymore, made an entire EP of Willhaven worship that is completely tracked

with real drums, all the vocals are tracked, Will Putney just hasn't mixed it. We tracked it in April 2017. And Will just has to be. hasn't mixed it. Why? He's five tracks song because he's the busiest man on fucking earth.

It's only five songs. You want to mix it? Yeah. We won't let anyone else mix it. I mean, like what era of Willhaven are we talking about here? That's the better question.

The fucking da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-a-uh. You know, the fucking... When it comes to Wilhaven, I'm an L Diablo, Willhaven, like, super freak. That's like, L. Diablo is like my, whatever. Everybody else is very much like W.HVN or, like, you know, Carpe Diem, stuff like that. But I feel like a lot of people that say that don't even know what L Diablo is.

You know, they've probably never heard this record. That record was like, you know, those records that you listen to like way early and they just, they, they like kind of melded you, molded you. El Diablo did that for me very, very much so. So I'm like crazy about that record. But I'd say for like the other two, man,

I was sitting here thinking about it and it's like I don't know. There's too much. Like for me to like have favorites. It's too much. There's too much. It's too much. You've done three. Mishugger's one of them. What's your top five Mishugger's ranked and how do you feel about the new one? Then we can end

the podcast. Come on, everyone can write them of Sugar albums. Let's just say this. I will, chaos fear, period. Chaos for period. It doesn't go above that. It just doesn't. All of the records are sick.

Sugar doesn't put out bad stuff. It's crazy. They're the only band I can think of where I like every single album. Maybe eating as well. Every one of them is good. It is. But Chaos Fear, you know, it's going back again. That analog, like people just murdering their stuff.

there's not a there's it's to a desk and there's no screen to like people don't realize when you go and you listen to chaos fear there was no computer involved it was to a fucking desk and it's the most crazy like just for young people it the most crazy gent that people still haven't been able to rip off some of their patterns straight it's what it's one of the best one of the best some of it's some of it's with no one of click like yeah you can hear you can hear them pushing the meter and like pulling you can hear it I change my mind there is another band God I hope they don't crucify me for this and I'm not joking him in your top five

yeah I'm putting them I'm putting this band in my top five because we only had three I have another one okay who's gonna crucify it we're about to find out one of the bands would be coal chamber coal chamber would be my top five yeah

am I'm about to get crucified right here? That's awful. Why? Tell me why. Tell me why. This is why. See,

I knew I shouldn't told you. I knew I shouldn't. I just thought it would be funny. Fucking anyone can like whatever music they want. I just want to be really funny to say that's awful. I just, I can only remember the roof is on fire and the spookiness of it all. I was never a fan when it came out.

So I don't really have an opinion, but I got a laugh. Cold Chamber, oh my God, that band was so sick. I mean, love that band. I can't talk about it, so let's go back to my sugar. And you've just... Chaos spheres number one. Yes, please, thank you.

Cold Chamber, go big truck, whatever. Let's go. I hate you. Go on. Go on. So, Chaos Fheres will definitely be number one for me. I would say I would be number two for me. Nothing would be number three.

Which version of nothing? The first. one. Yeah, the remix fucking stinks. The guitars sound better, but the drums are programmed. Are they really? All the ghost notes are gone. All of the like pedal chicks are gone. I'm pretty sure they just re-recorded the whole album with programmed drums and didn't tell anyone. You listen to something like Spasm, like further on in the album. You listen to the remix version and the old version. There's so much more nuance in the drums. Interesting. I didn't even, I didn't know this. I'm pretty sure I listened to it, but I was,

It's just like, whatever. Like, then the original one is fine. But so where are we saying, we're saying, chaos fear? Nothing. Nothing. God. I can't believe I'm about to say. Destroy erase improve.

There should be a switcher over there, but destroy race improve. And then I guess I will say catch 33, I guess. This is weird. I can't believe I'm saying this in this order. Why? This is weird. Sounds like you don't, you're not sure of your order. I'm really not.

The only thing I know for sure is chaos fear. There's a massive, massive. Is it on all out war? The Catch 33 fucking. Is it all out war or is it the second to last track? I don't know. What is it? Every guitarist I know does this.

Oh, that sounds a bit like this. What are you talking about? I've got no idea. What is? What is? I don't know what we're talking about. What do we? Shut up, you fucking idiot.

That's number five. Right. That's your song. That's your song, All Out War. Okay. Yes. All Out War. I, that's number five. Right. Okay, number five. So what are we talking about about this song? I'm going to get a DMCA for this. Or maybe it's here. I know what this is. Yeah, I know what this is. Yeah, but I said, oh, you've got a catch 33 bit. And you said, no, I don't.

Do I? The bit I just played you from All Out War. If I do, I'll take it. I'm going to find it right. now while we're on the fucking scene. This is literally the best ever. Oh, it's in the best song as well. Oh.

The end of catch 33. Oh. Not that you ripped it off. It's very similar and that's why All Out War is my favorite because it has that catch day three vibe and then it kicks in. So you're, you like a clean, you like a clean biddy in there. I don't need when it's the musuggery fucking evil clean.

Oh, I like the Tessorac clean as well. Yeah, they kind of pioneered a whole clean sound. Tessar is one of my favorite bands. Yeah, they rule. But yeah, that would probably be my order. It doesn't matter. After Chaos Fear, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

What do you think about the new one? I think that there's like two or three cool songs on it. Really? I love it. I wasn't moved. I need to give it more of a chance. I've just, from when I heard the first single, like, okay, And this is, you know, personal, uh, preferences and things like that.

But like in metal, I feel like you need to have an exciting snare. You need to have something, it's got to have some excitement about it. I love it. I love it. I feel like the dark. I can't do it. I feel like Ms. Sugar are trolling everyone at all times. I think bleed was a joke.

I think bleed started as a joke. Like, oh, what if we go do, do it for nine minutes? And they went, okay, let's do it. And it became their biggest song. I think the shitty snare is a joke and I'm all for it because they can't stand it I feel like they push like everyone copies us let's do one thing so wild

and we'll see if anyone copies it and they've gone shit snare and then they've gone yeah let's fucking print it yeah that's what it feels like to me it's like the most dead just like most unexciting sound and it kind of like

for me it takes away from it takes away from the whole thing I want I want some energy in that snare like I damn near one it so you can hear the wind cracking through time on its way

to the snare I want like it's got to have that energy about it and this thing goes thud and it's like I kind of love it this is what we want with this is what we wanted but that being said

there's a few songs on there that I was like, oh, okay. Now I'm, now this is feeling like whatever, because you're talking to somebody who is like a chaos fear maniac. But the chaos fear snare is pretty fucking thud. Oh, he's annoyed. I don't, I feel like everything about that, that production is like the, the hypest of energies. It's just, but there's like a, there's like a cloud, like over the mix that's kind of like does like this over it so it's not just like all high-end you know energy and syblances and all this crazy low-end information it's not like that it's like this but then it's just like clamped so hard it it sounds like everything is sweating you know it sounds

like we're on the verge of catching fire right now like that's what it sounds like and like so when you have all of the space that you do now and recording now and that is the snare sound that we went with like I'm sorry but yeah somebody said earlier put the P4 on there sign me up put the P4 on there like I would take that over the I just dropped the 19 inch 19 by 30 inch snare down the steps I don't want that sound I don't want that what is the P4 a slate snare that's a get good oh okay the sound of your voice you sound like you don't care for the get good snares oh no I fucking love it sounds great Exactly.

I use Will Putney's tune track thing, but just because it's my drum kit. But the get good stuff when you put turbo mode on is just fucking amazing. I don't have to do anything. Yeah, I never turned it off. Turbo mode is always engaged. I think there's a discount code, which is the downbeat. I wonder if that's still open for anyone if they want summing off some get good shit. That's awesome because all the get good stuff rules.

like it does. I've used it for so long. Until more recently, I've actually just got back into Superior again. I just started messing with that again. And, well, all I can say is it's called Superior Jermer for a reason. I feel like for that, where people like me, they're idiots, right? It's not the one for you. I'm just going to see if the get goods, like, I'm just going to go add something to cart.

I'm going to have a look to see if the coupon. Where's your fucking coupon shit? Where's my coupons? Just want to see if the coupons work. This is a professional podcast. Superior drummer, add a discount code. The down beat. Yeah, since we're sitting here talking about drums and snares,

how about this? How about we take your kit, whenever you're jamming all your songs. How about we cranking, your snare way down and turn it into a thuddy fucking mess see how you feel when you play that your snare is ripping that thing is cracking yeah let's go ahead let's put that 19 by 50 down there and see how you feel about that's you like to get good snares and nolly mixed my twitch stream so yeah but it's still it's still your snare man i do be hitting it uh i just swapped it for the bell brass though and i think

it ruined my mix i need to go and have a look because what you were doing just the other day sounded sick. It sounded great. What, literally two days ago? Yes. That's the bell brass. I put that on. Yeah, it sounds great.

Sounds great. Why you got your gates so tight? You're like gating everything like no noise from you. I don't want to hear nothing out of you. That's naughty. I didn't know what I'm doing. This is why I use get good turbo mode and not superior because superior you need to do things. I, Nottie just did everything.

I opened the gate on the kick drum because it was making me play bad. But other than that, it's all gate is. The kit sounds freaking awesome. Everything sounds great. I'm always like, how are you getting this drum mix alive? Like, what? A lot of money. I spent £9,000 on the Mac required to run it at zero latency with all those plugins.

The mix, the microphones, the separate PC, the cameras. I'm still, I'm actually very nearly out of the credit card debt, which has been and the patron have been paying off which is cool but part of it is that the tam of walnut birch

is just the best it's the best sounding I think it sounds better than the stars two producers that I've recorded with have said they just sound like DWs and DWs a DWMAPle weirdly enough and a birch walnut

have the same like the fundamental note is real low it's like every drum sounds two inches bigger than it is and that's fucking That's how I'd like my penis to feel when it's inside a person. No, I can just go, it's walnut birch. It feels two inches bigger than it actually is.

Trust me. Well, the kit sounds insane. Like, it always does. Like, it always sounds insane. Maybe if you, like, loosen those gates on those tombs and turn the thumbs up. I'm a Tom freak, though. The Tom's are quiet. I noticed that the other day.

This is now ruining a podcast. So we're going to end it. How's it ruining it? Because we should have ended it on your top five, and now we're talking about my drum stream mix. But I'm going to take the Tom's out. At least we kept it real. At least we kept it so real.

I've had a lovely time. Everyone goes to check out no rest, because it is very good. Thank you. That catch 33 bit, I'm going to go listen to it now when I'll make some dinner. Just don't listen to the catch 33 thing. No, I'm going to remove that song.

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