The Downbeat - Justin Nace - PVRIS

Episode Date: February 6, 2019

My guest this week is Justin Nace from PVRIS. Justin is an accomplished session drummer and a great guy. Can't remember what we talked about cus I'm literally about to go on tour and recorded this two weeks ago!

All right, quick one, quick one, quick one, quick one, quick one, because I have to leave in 40 minutes for tour. A tour that you will be listening to this while I'm actually on, so this is sort of like me from the future. Or the past, no, it's me from the past, talking to you from the future. I haven't done any of my packing at dinner. I've got to meet the bus at 9 o'clock, which is in 40 minutes.

Yeah, so we'll make it quick. Justin Nace from Peveris, Paris I've got to stop doing that I do it as a joke to annoy him Justin from Paris Paris is a massive band a massive pop band

He plays the drums in them But he also likes metal And they've got some rocky bits We had a lovely chat He's a lovely guy I can't tell you what we talked about Because I recorded this about three weeks ago And I'm rushing this bit out

But Um num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num Where am I going to be? I'm going to release this in two weeks. I'll be somewhere in Europe. I hope you come to a show. There's probably some shows left. If you go to only deaf as real.com,

you can find out the rest of the shows. And then there'll be like the UK shows that left. They're right at the end. So you should go to those. Hopefully I won't be sick then. I've been fucking sick for literally all of January. Just had a cold. If you listen to all the podcasts,

that are in January, which is three, I think. I get progressively worse and then now a little bit better. So, you know, it's actually a good way to chart how long I've been sick for. Go back through the podcast. Oh, he's coughing then. It was January the 6th. Jesus Christ. I'm going to stop doing this.

Justin Nace from Paris on the downbeat. Justin Pivris. Hello. Justin from Pivis. Paris. Just in Nace. It is Nace, isn't it? Am I saying that right? That's not a name we have in the UK. I've never heard it other than you. Oh, there you go. There's a first. Yes, that is how it's pronounced. Yep. Is that like a common name? Uh, I mean, surprisingly enough, I've heard it in our area a few times, but it's all, I've seen it spelled, like I had a teacher that was a

guidance counselor in high school and her name was Mrs. Nase, but it was N-A-S-E rather than C-E. So I've seen it different ways. Are you from Philly? Yes, Philadelphia. So it's a Philly name. And then the only real sort of, other than Ryan Reynolds, the only real famous Reynolds zizzizz are fucking always sunny in Philadelphia. Yep, there it is.

Yeah. So there we go. You got my name and I don't have your name. How are you doing, mate? I'm good. I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good.

Thanks for coming. coming on. Thank you for having me. This is awesome. I'm very excited. I remember when I was doing those first lot of t-shirts and I was going through the orders back in the days when I didn't pay someone else to pack up the t-shirts. And then your name popped up and I was like, I swear that's the parish drummer's name. And it was. Yeah. So thanks. I'll have to give you a free one for this for this one. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it was one of those things. It was like, that is such a cool design and logo.

And it had blast beats. And I was like, I have to represent my man here. Branding. Do you know what? I had a different logo that I did myself because I'm very much a DIY guy. And then I showed it to my friend. I have like three friends that I run everything business-wise by. Yeah.

And if all three of them say yes, your Grussell coordinators? Yeah, the Grussell coordinators. Exactly. And if all three of them say yes, then it's in the bag. But I sent all of them this first design. And everyone was like, yeah, that's cool.

And then Adam Foster, who manages behemoth, he was like, no, that sucks. And I was like, oh, oh, no, that's. So then I actually paid someone else to do that design, which is now the iconic T-shirt. Yeah. And I got the approval of all three of my friends. And then did it, yeah.

Yeah. That's a little insight into how that T-shirt and branding became. What are you doing in a moment? Ah, just kind of, we've been home for a while. That's where I'm at now. I mean, just hanging in Philadelphia. I'm actually currently sat at my buddy's house. My buddy, JW, is graciously set me up with his recording studio.

So I'd be able to make sure I got proper quality to be able to talk to you over the phone. Big up, J.W. Yes. Would you know what microphone you're using? This is a... I don't know. It looks expensive. What does it look like?

Describe it to me. It is maybe like, it's like an ice cream sandwich. Um, it's, it's directional. It's like silver on one side, black on the other one. His microphone pop screen is an AKG. It's an AKG. So I'm assuming it's a whole package. It's an AKG C414. Oh, I just found it. That's it. That's the one on the money. Oh, I'm there, man. That's it. We've bridged the gap. I'm sat next to you. Nice mic. Nice mic. Nice mic. Can't wait to hear that audio. So you're off tour. Correct.

You've been off tour for a while. Yeah, we actually, Paris wrapped up the record cycle. In September was our last show. We did like a benefit show up in Rhode Island. So currently, Lindsay's been doing a lot of writing, those guys just kind of in the midst of fleshing out the next record and kind of get into that. So we've just had a decent amount of downtime.

So I've just been kind of cooped up in my drum room and playing as much as I can and just trying to practice and do that. So it's been nice, you know what I mean? Because I'm sure you deal with the same thing where it's, yeah, you get to play on the road and play every single night, but you play the same 14, 15 songs,

and you kind of plateau. So it's been nice to be able to... I go backwards. Yeah, exactly. But I even go backwards with the songs I'm playing every night. I have no idea what it is. I think it's like,

I think I've talked about it before where, I'm pretty sure it's like, in powerlifting, it's like when you overload your CNS with the same exercise so many times with like such a high intensity that you need a step back or else you start actually digressing on it. Yeah. And I think I get that with tracks.

Like by the last two songs, sorry to anyone that comes to the last two shows of tour. I'm always shit. Like, just not sure. shit but just like it's a struggle yeah and then i take like a week off and then i'm fucking better than i was on day one i think my brain and body just needs a little bit of time to yeah suck suck it up yeah so lindsay's writing yep and so you're what's the deal where you are i mean everyone knows you as the parish drummer but you're technically a session drummer uh yes correct yeah technically i mean I've been with them since 2014, so prior to the first record coming out.

But I guess on the books, yes, I am the touring drummer for Paris. That's why you don't see me on the pictures and the posters and stuff. I'm not going to ask you how that feels, but that sucks. But you don't have to say anything about that. As a session drummer, you can stay nice and quiet about that. But in my eyes, and I think a lot of the fan's eyes, you are just the guy. I was shocked to learn that you were technically a session guy. But I guess it's because you're in a pop band, man, like a pop rock thing.

We kind of get pushed to the back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah. I know you don't have to say anything because I don't want you to put your foot. in anything, but I will tell you this about pop rock band listeners and then I'll get off this subject. But the reason why, let's say I go into the studio with a band and they say they're like a pop rock band and they're like, right, we want blast beats over the whole song. And I'm like, nah, that's not going to go.

And they're like, nah, we want the blast beats. And I'm like, nah, what if we play something like this? And then I play like a simple beat and it changes the song. Right. That, what I just did doesn't count as songwriting because in the 60s when they fleshed out all the like music law, drummers were literally just like Ringo at the back going, so it's literally written in music law that if you write a drumbeat, it doesn't count as writing in a song. So unless it's like previously agreed, you either need to change the chord progression or the structure. or like a time signature or anything to do with that to be to be able to go to court

and like not you obviously but if someone wanted to say look I I transform these guys wanted blast beats over the song and I made it into you know let's say it was an Adele song and she was like yeah what fucking blast beats me and I'm like nah okay let's not do the blast beats and then it ends up it's that hello song or whatever I'm not owed any money for transforming it

She wanted it to be a grind song, but I'm not, I'm not owed any fucking money. That, I learned that the hard way with the heart machine. Okay. When I got booted, when I sort of booted slash quit, whatever, I was just figuring out my legal rights. Because the fucking program drum pass was so fucking dog shit. And I changed everything. And then I found out I'm not actually owed anything. and then I did actually remember that I wrote the breakdown in the song Machine Over.

I wrote like the guitar and everything on that. So I was actually due some songwriter credits. And then I looked at my contract with the label. And it was like, if you need to discuss anything legal, you need to fly to California. And it must be done here. And then like one of the guys from the label is a lawyer. So it was like, well, for the... that I'm going to get from that.

There's no fucking point. Yeah. We live and alone. Yeah. Exactly. I just chewed your fucking ear off there. Oh, no. You're off to a good start.

I've been talking and you haven't been talking. That's quite all right. 2014. P-Vris. Upside down... Upside down... Yes, it's an upside-down A. Upside-down A.

Yeah, so it's Paris, but it's P-V-R-I-S. That's how it's... And I love saying P-Riss and I'm sorry because it's offensive. We have heard everything under the sun. I mean, I can't tell you how many times like when we show up to festivals and such. I mean, you have stage hands that are like loading in stuff being like, this, there's Paris, P-Virus, P-Virus, all right, move them next. You know what?

Like, you get everything under the sun. When I get Siri to phone you, he says, he's like got a real like silent P on there. Because I've got you in my phone as just in Paris. but I've got you with the upside and a thing. He goes, Justin Vriss. Pris? Briss is like a real silent pee on him. Yeah, that guy's a priss, man.

That's what it sounds like. In Japan, they actually call you Pivris. Okay, really? Are you aware of this? Have you noticed this? I'm sure you've been there. Yeah, yeah. When we were there, a girl that was with us kept referring to you as Peveris.

And I was like, what the fuck? was she talking about and then he was like found out it was Paris oh okay that's yeah that's funny but um you're about to go to japan aren't you yeah um so it something it hasn't necessarily been uh i haven't announced it yet but i mean not that it's gonna obviously come out but um i'm helping my friends in the band emirosa and i'm doing a couple shows to help fill in for them in the month of february and we're doing a stint of u.s shows a couple uh like four different u.s shows we do one in Hawaii and then four shows in Japan the end of the month like the 20th through the 24th or something like that. So excited. I absolutely love Japan. It's one of my favorite countries to go to.

Now what follows is a 40 minute conversation about how good Japan is. Yeah. Side note, Hawaii and then Japan. Yep. Which I've not done Hawaii yet. So this is kind of, I mean, when he told me that, I was like, this is awesome because Hawaii is, I think, the only state, except for maybe Montana, because I feel like nobody plays shows in Montana, is that it's the only other state that I haven't been to yet. So, and I've never been. So I'm ex- Where the fuck is Montana? What's the, what cities are in Montana? Honestly, I couldn't even sit there and tell you geographically. It's just that once, it's like the dark spot on the map. You know, it's like up north, like in between the Dakotas

and Washington. And, um, it's just that once, it's like, it's like, the dark spot on the map. And, I don't know. It's like the badlands. Wow. My brother took a trip there when I was younger and that was like the one thing that I knew about it was they would did lots of hiking. And I can't think of many bands that have actually played there. Is it where cowboys are from? Where are cowboys from? I'd reckon that's, yeah, that's where to find all the dinosaur bones and, you know, that's where the cowboy is going on, you know, up there. That's where God puts the dinosaur bones.

Yeah. So to test us, to test our faith. I take it, obviously you don't have to give me any figures, but I take it because of the nature of it being Hawaii in Japan. It's like you're helping them out for cheaper than your normal rate. Or are you getting your normal rate? No. I mean, it's one of those things where it's like they're all super awesome dudes.

We actually, Paris, we opened up for them back in 2014 is like one of the first few tours that we did. and they're all lovely. You're way bigger. But lovely dudes. And so like when he hit me up, you know, it's like, well, I'm at home and have nothing on the books as of now. So I, you know, would love that.

And the opportunity just to be able to go to those two spots is awesome. I mean, us as Paris, we tried probably like two or three times to make it happen. But for people that aren't aware, to try to play shows both in Hawaii and even Japan and stuff like that, it's very costly just with flights and like working it out that. nine times out of ten most bands aren't making any money to play they're just going there for an experience and obviously to be able to play a state that they didn't play before yeah and but sometimes the bands do hawaii because you can go that way yeah yeah yeah so you could kind of just make it all in one trek and just kind of line it all up we've tried to do it every time

and it just doesn't work out there's like one bar you can play isn't it yeah i'm pretty certain And there's just like that one venue that that's the one that everybody plays. And I think it's on the mainland of like Oahu and that's where you go. I'm so, so jealous. It's, uh, all I think about, though, is forgetting Sarah Marshall. Yeah, I think of that are like 50 first dates. The one, I'm, I'm a massive Jurassic Park fan. So I'm excited to go to that ranch.

Um, if I can make it happen, but I actually, thinking about it, I think it's on a different island. Hang on, Jurassic Park's real. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course, I mean, there's movies... No, what do you mean? What do you mean? I'm excited to go to Jurassic Park. Well, okay, so the movie was filmed.

I think it was on Kauai, which is a different island, but you actually can go to like where that waterfall was in the beginning of it. So it's like, where the filming locations, and they all have it like, there's a big sign that says, Hey, we filmed here. But, no, I don't think I'll be... There's no big gates. Yeah, I won't be fine in any actual dinoes.

Yeah. So, sadly, I mean, hey, the tech. technology. We live in a crazy world. Who knows? Oh, they can definitely. They can do. They can do. They can do. They're definitely going on underground. Oh, yeah. The center of the earth. There's just like gigantic dinosaurs. Yeah. Oh yeah. I get, someone quotes for getting Sarah Marshall at me at least once every time I'm in America. You sound like you're from London.

Bootship, boo. Oh, Maudy snow. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently that's what we all sound like. Yeah. Yeah. So when does that start? End of this month. Yeah, so I believe we'll start rehearsals. They're actually over in Europe right now. I think they're out with Don Broko. So they're doing a stint over in UK and Europe.

And then they come back and we'll start rehearsals, I believe, like January 31st or February 1st. But the first show is the third. And it's actually in Philly. But it's on the Super Bowl. So I just found that out. So that'll be interesting to see how the crowd goes if they show up or if two sports heavy. Is it the Eagles? It is the Eagles, isn't it?

Yeah. Are they in the Super Bowl? I mean, they haven't figured that out yet, but last year they won, and the city essentially went into riot mode because it's never happened. And so it'll be interesting, if for some reason they were to go all the way to the end

and it was on that date, we'll be playing to the front of house engineer. I think we played on Super Bowl Sunday on that last tour. I can't Who was the other team that was playing Against

Uh Against Philly I think we were in that Patriots. Yeah I think We were somewhere Around that area

Anyway And yeah The show was Pretty Yeah The only The first game Of American football

I ever watched Was that The Super Bowl Where it was the Biggest Turnaround in history 2016 or whatever.

Oh, that crazy upset one or whatever it was. Which was the New England Patriots and someone else. Yeah. And the Patriots were down like a billion. And then they came back and it was the only time it's gone into fucking whatever extra time is called. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the funny thing about that right was that Dragon Neck, our base player, if anyone doesn't know, his name is Dragon Neck.

And you won't refer to him as anything else. we've got a sort of we've got a sort of thing he likes to gamble right but sometimes he just gambles a lot he actually when I came out to see you guys well the casino is right across the street and I remember that was his big thing

is he had just gotten back from doing some gambling yeah right so obviously if you gamble a lot sometimes you win sometimes you lose and he was going for a period in like 2016 where he was losing quite a lot and we were watching the Super Bowl and it was whatever it was like 18 to zero of the other team or something like that

and Tom turns around and goes Neck I'll give you two to one odds that I think the Patriots are going to win and obviously Neck took that bet because never in history has that happened and him taking that bet it happened and I turned around and I feel bad because it was rude

but I turned around and I said you are a super natural loser. That affected space time because that has never happened before and that was insane and now you owe Tom like 30 bucks. Oh, that's miserable. Yeah, I felt really bad. I think he's up now overall. Love Dragon Net.

Dragon Net, if you're listening, I love your bud. And if you are listening, I know you're in your Jeep, drive into a shoot to shoot some music videos and you're a very talented man and I liked your little film about aliens. Anyway, let's get back to you. Emmerosa, is that, was Connor Dennis in them? Or did he record their last thing? Yeah, so he actually, so the new record they have is coming out February 8th and he recorded this record and he did their last record. So I've had the new one as well. Didn't know that? Yeah, which it's, I mean, it's awesome. It's, it's a new direction. direction for those guys, but I absolutely love the new songs. I mean, it's a lot of sense,

like very pop-pop-infused, but just it's super fun. And I mean, like, I could even tell, obviously, Connor probably had a blast recording it too, because it's, you know, he loves playing pop and whatnot and just, so I've been kind of poised with a task to learn, I have about like 12 or 13 songs to learn of his, and he's a son of, he's a son of a gun. You know what I mean? It's like I have the gist of all the songs, but that man is just a polished machine when it comes to some of those fills. So there's a few of them on there where I get to it in the middle of the song and I just, I'm like, you, you, you asshole. You know, how old are you? I am 28.

I turn 29. Connor Dennis is like fucking 15 or something mental. I can't remember how old he is, but he's like 20, fucking three or something. Yeah, 23, I think. and he's a freak I should really have him on the podcast but he did a different drum podcast the same week that I started mine

and I'm trying to not get the same people because it just it will thin the listener base of both podcasts if you know what I mean sure but I do want him on it at some point I think once enough time has passed that everyone that's going that has listened to

his one on the other one has listened to it, then I'll have him. Yeah. I don't want to share my listener base, you know what I mean? Sure, you know, hey.

I'm a greedy bastard. No, I just don't want, I don't want two podcasts to have half as much figures than they could, you know? Yeah.

I'm thinking about both podcasts here. Makes sense. Yeah. I'm not going to name the other podcast because that would take listeners away from me. Exactly. Right. So, you know,

I'm in it from, everyone but also mainly me um so have you learned the songs yet how long have you got what's your what's what's your protocol for learning so i found out maybe a week and a half two weeks ago now and uh i basically have them all down i have all the new ones down um pretty straightforward uh so i got those it's just there's probably maybe two or three that just have a couple little uh little blips in my on my radar where I'm just like, okay, I'm going to have to flush these out. But I have, I mean, today's like, what, the 11th or 12th. So I have a solid half a month yet to make sure it's all good. We haven't played together yet. So when we get back, they're pretty much coming straight

from a tour. So they'll all be like nice and, you know, well-oiled. And I'll be like, all right, hey, I'm the new guy. Here's what I got. So hopefully everything is smooth. It will be to a click, though. It will be to a click. Yeah. I think from what Bradley told me, I think, both myself and he will be on a click, but I don't know if the other guys will be on a click. So that's different from what I'm used to. Whereas with Paris, I mean... Who's Bradley?

Bradley is the singer. So I guess myself and the singer, we will be on a click. And I guess I think there are, you know, I don't know if there's any kind of like background stuff going on, but I don't know. I'm assuming then if the rest of the guys aren't on a click, I'll have to either keep time some way or what. I mean, that's kind of like old school with Paris.

I used to be the only one on a click and I used to have to either ride on a hi-hat or ride on, you know, like a rim or something and you get by, but it's kind of one of those things where it's like, if it's ever on a live recording, it sounds kind of silly. I think drummers think that sounds silly way more than it actually does. I think the majority of the crowd just thinks, oh, the drummer's doing something cool there. Okay. And sometimes I like it when there's a hi-hat count in before. or something, especially like a heavy section, or like two Chinas before a breakdown. Sure.

You know, that is the legal requirement that you are about to die. Yeah, there's like a, that's it. Life is about to end. That's like, that's, you said that's old school for Paris. That's new school for me with our, just slightly started to play with the clique. Hang on, you came to the last show of Thornton, you, was second to last show of tour.

So you've seen me when I'm shot. But see that to me though, like, you're like, I don't know, your idea of shot is still absolutely shredding, mind blowing to me as I sit there like, just, you know, jaw drop being like, gosh, darn it. And I have proof because I took a video of you and there's two guys losing their shit

on the opposite side of the stage just watching you, like, just broing out, laughing at each other, being like, oh, dude, look at all the eyes going off. you know that's nice to see i do i do like that when i get tagged in something after the show and then people are like oh you know that was sick or you were sick or whatever because i'm always there's very rarely a show where i play and i'm like fuck yeah i nailed it i'm always like stressing over the smallest thing sure i mean yeah that's most people i think everybody's kind of their worst critic you know all of us have had our stint we're like oh that show sucked

and everyone's like, oh, I thought it was awesome, you know, but, you know, in your head you messed up something that not a single person in the crowd heard or even, you know, realized that it went down. But, you know, that's kind of the nature of the beast, I guess. Right, my New Year's resolution, subconscious, I haven't, like, announced it, but it's to just be less stressed out by tiny fucking things, including, like, making a mistake, dropping a stick. Like, that is evening.

for me. Yeah. It needs to not be. Even like today earlier, right, I went and I bought a pair of jeans, right? And I got to, I got to a till. And then I'm like, ah, shit, these are 32 by 34. And I'm a 32 by 32 guy. And then the girl was like, oh, we got a tailor's.

And the girl was like, oh, we got a tailor in today so we can just get them taken up for you. And I was like, oh, quality, thanks. Pay for them or whatever. And she's like, oh, we need your contact details, let you know when they're done. and I was like, that bear in mind she said, you know, we've got a tailor in today. Yeah. The word today.

And she's like, take my contact details. And I said, oh, how long do you reckon it will be? Because thinking, like, you know, I'll walk around the shops or whatever. I've got to get her in to that dog out. And she goes, oh, yeah, it shouldn't be more than three days. And then I just go, because there's like a big fucking line and whatever, and I was tired. I was just like, okay.

Yeah, see you later. And then I walk out of the shop and immediately I'm like, number one, why have I just said okay? That's not okay. Number two, why have I bought those jeans? I wanted to wear them tomorrow. Yeah. And now I can't. And I've just been okay with that.

But my moral of this was I then thought about that for the entirety of my 25 minute walk back to my studio where my car was. and then I got to my car and I was like, I've spent the whole fucking walk being annoyed about that. That's the ramblings of a mental person. Like, I need to nip this in the bud because I'm stressing about my jeans not getting taken up. There's gigantic problems in the world. And here you are.

I think my New Year's resolution last year, again, not New Year's, but like, what's the word? Like, just, you know, resolution was... Sure. To just spend slightly less time caring about politics, just a little bit because I'm fucking, I'm mental on it usually. And I was like, you know what, I'm going to have a year off. Not a year off, but like a year of just like, oh, Brexit's fucking shit.

Cool. Yeah, like I'm not going to read into it because it would just piss me off. And instead of being less stressed, now I just get stressed about fucking tailoring my jeans. Yeah, you just move it on to like more ridiculous shit. So I've just got to try and I'm trying to reduce my stress levels you know Yeah, well I mean hey I feel you I woke up this morning and I'm getting ready at my friend's house And I'm in the mirror and for whatever reason his wonderful lighting spotted a single gray hair in the back of my head and I was like you son of a bitch And I'm like what I'm stressing out shit

I'm just taking things too far and now I'm turning old and gray I've got so much gray hair I got my hair cut earlier today that's where I was walking back from when I saw the allure of the it's on sale jeans in Levi's but uh and i was like just looking in the mirror so many grays i might just fuck it off in fact the guy that cuts my hair wants to do a um like a like a what's not a modeling thing but he's doing his fucking doing some exam or whatever for hair and he was like all right i need to cut someone's hair like uh so you're gonna be yeah you're gonna be he's got like silver hair and i was like fuck yeah

let's go because then I've got an excuse. Yeah. Because then people are like, why have you done that to your hair? Why have you done that to your hair? And I'll be like, oh, my mate was doing a thing. And really, I'm like, yeah, look at me go. I'm turning into a silver fox, sexy man. That's the shit, man.

Katie's well up for me being a silver fox. She's got mad daddy issues about, like, guys with gray air. I shouldn't really talk about this on a fucking podcast to 31,000 people. She, like, loves a guy with gray air. She's fucking, yeah. She likes an old dude, and that's why she goes up with me because I'm fucking decrepit. I'm coughing, right? And I coughed on the last podcast, which means I've had a cold for two weeks.

Yeah, I know all too well about that. I spent pretty much the entire month of December sick as a dog. I even ended up in the hospital. It was a mess, but good now. So I feel you. What you mean? You're in the hospital? Yeah, so I had like,

a sore throat beginning of the month. I was like, I'm just going to play it off. I don't have health insurance. I'm just going to, you know, I don't want to go to a doctor, blah, blah, blah. I'm sure my body will fix itself. I'm healthy. And it kind of got worse.

Went to it like, my buddy and his fiancee had an engagement party. I was like, I can't miss that. And then it just got progressed to get worse and worse. Then it was to the port. It was like debilitating. I was like, my face was swollen, my neck. I couldn't like swallow.

It was awful. Took myself to an urgent care. They're like, here's some meds. You have strep throat. spent the week doing that and then was feeling better and my buddy's uh my buddy goose who plays for every time i die was in philly so was like well i've been looking forward to the show i don't want to miss the show is that the guy that was in normal gene correct yeah clayton yep so went to go see him hung out if it was feeling good next day like total 180 i felt like dog shit ended up going back to

emergency or to urgent care and they're like you need to go to emergency room and they ended up keep me overnight. I mean, better now. For a strap throat. Well, I guess I ended up having like an an abscess in the back of my throat and they were potentially going to have to like go in and do a procedure where they like extract it and go in and I was like, this sucks. So, but thankfully, they just put me on meds, kept me overnight. I was good to go. So that was like kind of a ruin all the way up until I think pretty much up until like the 21st. So right before Christmas, but at least I was healthy for Christmas time and, you know, that didn't. hold me back, but it was kind of a bummer month.

I've got something going on right now where I just had like, almost like an allergy for about a month. And then it just like dripped into my lungs and now I'm just coughing that up. I think I'm getting over it now, but it's been fucking well annoying. I think that's more than anything is just you want to feel normal and you're just trying to do everyday things. And that's just that one thing that's like, sure, it's not super. you know, detrimental, but it's like just annoying enough to just be a bother the whole entire Yeah, I like don't feel unwell, but then I'll cough and it sounds like I've got fucking

emphysema or something. Yeah, you just been like slagging on the cigarettes, you know, nonstop for the past 25 years. Right. Um, do you smoke? Are you straight? I know, you're not straight. We had a beer, didn't we? Yeah, yeah. So I, I mean, I don't smoke or anything like that. I'm, not for the cigarettes. My dad had hit lung cancer. He's good now, but he has half a lung. So any of you cigarette smokers, here's my fair warning. So, I mean,

hey, people do it. They do what they want. You know, especially you go to, you know, anywhere in Europe and UK, obviously, you guys have the ship branded right on the packs of cigarettes and just like, hey. Yeah, it doesn't stop anyone. Exactly. Yeah, that's the thing. Funnily enough, speaking of emphysema,

that's actually how my grand died. and she smoked but she didn't even get lung cancer she just fucking lungs just got destroyed from smoking not even fucking I'm laughing because it's uncomfortable but yeah

horrible habit I used to smoke when I was like I think when I was like 21 I smoked for a little bit yeah because it was hit but now on I'm in a legal state and I must stress in a legal state in America or maybe in Amsterdam then I smoked the bifter

but other than that, you know. Sure. I rarely drink now. I drink Gypsy Hill Brewery. Gypsy Hill Brewery. What a lovely brewery. They may or may not have sent me 12 of their newest beers yesterday. But what a great brewery, Gypsy Hill.

That's Gypsy Hill Brewery.chipsyhillbrewing.com. I don't know if that's their website, but I drink like a couple. I'm picturing you like staring into your microphone while you have it next to you, just holding it like, hey. Oh, yeah. I actually. I actually have it next to me. Yep. Here it is.

This is the can. This is the swamper New England pale ale. It's very light. It's only a 3.5%. So it's kind of like a grussel beer because you can get shit done without being drunk. Yeah. I rarely, yeah, rarely. I recently, my buddy introduced me.

So like PBR is like a Philly standard for like what they call the citywide, which is like a PBR and a shot of the bottom shelf. like whiskey or something. And now even PBR has now come out with a, what the heck is it called? It's like, it's in like a baby blue can and it's like their light beer

of like a PBR light, but it's called something else that's kind of silly. But even now it's like, even PBR as light and watery as it is, is now they have more light beer. Yeah, yeah. That's funny.

I quite like a PBR and a shot when it's on a deal. Yeah. When it's like a fucking a few bucks for a PBR and a shot, a well shot. But I am trying to not be drunk ever again. That's the thing that I'm trying to do. It's not going very well.

I'm just, I don't know. I'm over how bad you feel afterwards. Yeah, I mean, I'm not much of a bit, like, obviously I'll have a drink here and there, but nine times out of the 10, I'm the guy that's usually not drinking or I'm a seltzer guy, both just by it because I don't want to, feel like crap and also just for trying to look after myself because beer's out up big time but

so many calories and that's you know it's like I have friends that are like oh you know you lost weight blah blah how you heck you doing it I'm like well beer is one thing they're like yeah but I mean I drink mickleau bolcha but yeah if you slam back seven or eight nickel o bolchers there's your 800 calories that you just threw back that it don't make a difference and this is the thing it's like so in a beer you have the calories from the carbs which are fine because your body will process carbs but then you have calories from alcohol which is the same amount of calories as calories from carbs

but your body can't do anything with that energy can't turn it into energy or anything like that so that's why people get fat from drinking because more people get fat from drinking than they do from drinking like soda even though people do get fat from soda but your body can use the soda you'll get all jittery and fucking whatever your body will try and get rid of it but alcohol you just suck it up yeah and then in addition to that the science is that alcohol is a poison technically in your body so say you drink like four shots of whiskey and eat a whole chicken like your body your liver is processing trying to get rid of the alcohol so So then it's not adequately processing the protein from the chicken.

So you end up getting less, which is a thing. Oh. It's very scientific. I'm going to say, wow, this is very, this is interesting. This is the thing. I have a fleeting obsession with sports science rooted in just wanting to be fucking jacked. Well, hey, man, it's working because Jesus, my dude. It's not.

That's the thing. I'm at a plateau. You've lost a bunch of weight. How much weight do you lose? Over the span of... So that was last year's New Year's resolution was one of my friends, my buddy Brett, like, I guess drunkenly bought a scale one night. And it was maybe the day after New Year's and we were all like just, you know, at his

place and he's like, I bought this scale. So we all decided to weigh each other and I was kind of bummed. You know what I mean? Like I was way heavier than I thought I was. And maybe I'm a tall guy, so I'm like 6.3, so I guess it kind of disperses itself okay, you know. So I was like, fuck this. Like I don't, you know, I need to really focus on my health this year. And that's what I did.

But over the past year, I've lost 50 pounds, you know, fluctuating between like 50, 52, give or take. But yeah, so that was my big resolution. And finally, I saw some results. Because I mean... 50 fucking pounds. Yeah. So, yeah, because I was... Hang on.

I've got... 50 pounds is fucking like 30 kilos. Yeah. So, uh... Yeah, I don't... I mean, like, even... Where the fuck did you lose it from? Right?

I get... It was all my ass, man. It was just... I, no. That's nice. People like a big, thick booty. I don't have a butt. I'm a flat.

I got a little pancake back there. Well, you will now. If you've lost 50 fucking... Yeah, I just, I was, you know, I stuck with, I just kind of monitored what I was eating. I mean, like, I've always, ever since high school, I was into, you know, running and whatnot. And even when we're on tour and stuff, I always try to do it. But I guess I always was kind of discouraged because I never really saw the results. And that's probably, and I feel like the biggest thing was eating.

And just making sure that you're watching what you're eating, like, you know, I go to the extent of like counting calories. And once you're aware of how many calories and like what the nutrients is and some of the these things that you do consume, that's where my biggest thing was like, well, I'm just making myself aware of that and kind of setting a limitation. And I feel like that with working out and running was my biggest, like, that's what worked for me. This is the thing. It's like, you can do keto, you can do all this fucking whatever, but calories in versus calories out is what makes you lose weight, unless you have like some insane thyroid problem. Sure. So I count calories all the time, other than when I'm on tour, because when I'm on tour, I naturally lose weight anyway.

But... Which is funny, because I feel like I... That's an easy way for all of us to, like, we gain weight. Because, like, you're on tour, so it's like trying to get a schedule. Like, that's one thing that has helped with me being home since, like, we haven't really been playing since September is I could kind of get myself a routine where I could wake up, I'll go, I'll work out, or I'll run, and then I'll sit and I'll play the drums for like an hour and a half, two hours, and can kind of be able to settle a little.

into that whereas like when you're on the road it's like all right well do I have a half an hour or 45 minutes to try to run you know a couple miles before we have to do something or leave or whatever it be the answer is definitely yes and you're just making excuses yeah exactly so that's I try my best but I think my hardest part is eating on the road because it's like we'll get off stage and it's 10 o'clock and I mean like now I do the whole like intermittent fasting so I usually don't try to eat after I have you know my breaks but I try not to eat after 8 o'clock But it's so easy that like, oh, there's delicious food or there's pizza here. Or like, we're in Chicago, so we got to eat pizza or you're down in the south.

So you have to have like, you know. You can eat the pizza. You can do all that. Just do more exercise. Yeah. But I guess if you're doing the fasting. The thing with the fasting thing, right, is for certain people it doesn't work. For me, I can't do it.

I get like really fucking hyperglycemic, like not actually hyperglycemic, but like really ratty if I haven't eaten and shit. like that. Interesting. It kind of, it still comes down to calories in versus calories out. But what people do by the intimate fasting

is they small and smaller, make smaller the window in which you can eat where it's very hard to eat like two thousand. If you're six foot four, you must have like a, what we call a basal, fuck, what's the scientific word?

the metabolic rate, the TDEE, your total daily energy expenditure, yes. To just be alive must be at least 2,800 calories, to just exist. Well, I don't know, because I feel like I have, I've kind of grown up with like a pretty shitty metabolism, whereas like our guitar player Alex, that man could eat whatever he wants and he will and has always remained a twig. You know what I mean? that guy could just shovel dominoes or fast food or whatever and he's sorted and i've like look at a french fry and i gate a pound you know what i mean like i've always had that shitty

metabolism where i don't know i struggle i guess i'm real skeptical i mean hey unless honestly you probably know way more than i do i'm just really like i see people who say i'm not saying you're like this but i see people who say that i just have a really bad metabolism metabolism. And then I see them in the gym and they're not doing any like compound lifts like squat bench deadlift which uses the most muscle which burns the most calories. They're doing shit that it burns very minimal calories only while you're doing it and not after the fact.

And it's like that's why your metabolism sucks because you're not feeding it. Yeah. I have a friend who is six foot four actually. And I really. I recently, he was losing weight and I, because the other thing is I kind of help my friends sort out their calorie allowances and stuff like that. Yeah, you told me that you like set up Josh from architects, you like put him on a plan and stuff and he looks great.

Well, I like helped him realize the importance of counting the calories. I didn't like give him a plan and he is now like shreddies. Yeah. But I got a friend who's 6-4, and like you said, he had the opposite thing. He wasn't gaining weight. And he, when you start counting calories, you realize how many or how little calories are actually in stuff. And he, like, I was just like, look, just fucking counting your calories for one day. And he did it.

And he was on like 2,200 calories. For a 6'4 man who was trying to gain weight, like, he needs to be eating 1,000 more calories than that. I'm on 3,200 calories. to just very lean gain muscle and minimal fat. And even then, like, I could probably eat 3,500 and not balloon. Yeah. But if I eat under three, I'm losing weight. That's crazy.

Well, I mean, again, also the amount of work that you're putting in at the gym, obviously, it makes sense, you know what I mean? Because I, like, sure, I work out, but I ain't putting up the kind of crap that you're doing. you don't I mean? Like you're like next level. So the fact that you could put that much down and still lose weight is nuts. This is the thing though,

like not only is it fun to like lift fucking heavy weights, but if you're like squatting double body weight or something, every single muscle in your body has to work to get that weight to go up. So it's like your entire body going on a run. Yeah. So like the, it's actually very lazy what I do. It's not very healthy at all.

It's like I want to use the most amount of calories in the shortest amount of time. So it's like I would rather do something horrific for five minutes than do like low level cardio for an hour. I can't do that. Just put something on my back and snap me in half for five minutes. I wish I had that mentality. I find like I usually alternate days where I have like a cardio day,

then I do like a workout day. And I dread the workout days more so where I'm like, ah, I got to do 5K. That's my easy day. Like I'll just go out and like, I enjoy, those my easy days are my run days whereas like I kind of, I procrastinate so much when it comes to like getting my ass in the gym.

And once I'm there, I do my thing. But I'm just like, I don't like this as much. So how do, let's turn this around into drums because we just. I was going to say everyone has probably fallen asleep that is here for drums at this point. No one's here for anything. Everyone's here for like just just the chat, you know?

Yeah. So how, no, let's mix the two together. How do you find working out affects your drumming? Either cardio, I want to know cardio and I want to know weight training. Sure. I mean, for the longest time, I felt that especially like, so if we were doing rehearsals, There was times where similar to like what you said you struggled with where it was like if we sat down and we were on maybe two or three days of rehearsals, I feel like my legs would just kind of shut off and they wouldn't cooperate. But if there was a day, like if I can go for a run, I like, there's times where I don't even want to sit down and play my drums unless I work out or go for a run because I feel like it's just not like switched on.

So if I'll do like three or four miles and I'll come back, I feel like my legs just, they want to perform and they can actually, you know, which is. syndrome. Yeah. And so, and I know we've talked about that before and you dealing with that, especially like on tour, it's such a nuisance. But the days that I can go and like, go for run, come back and I sit and I'm like, okay, I can actually play these parts that I want to do rather than it just being like, I'm trying to force myself or even just like there's like this crazy weird, like I'm not even playing, but in my mind, I'm like, my leg's not going to work. And I don't know what it is, but it's just like, and that alone just like makes it be like, uh, and it kind of gets it like stage fright and it just doesn't it wants to fuck off and it just doesn't work the way I want to.

So you're saying the running before a show or before playing really helps. Yeah, I feel like I'm loosening up things that maybe my standard. Like I always stretch before I play. I don't have a crazy like warm up routine with like rudiments or anything like that. But I definitely make sure that I stretch all my ligaments and like with my arms and legs because I do a lot of flailing. I guess I have a lot of up in the air with my arms and stuff. I'm swinging a lot.

So stretching is my biggest, you know, thing that helps me out. But I feel like if I do a run, it just kind of activates maybe muscles that I wouldn't activate if I was just doing my standard stretching. Interesting. So Crem also said that he runs before he plays. How long do you run for? Because I fucking hate running, but if it's going to make me play better, could. I mean, when I, like, if I'm at home and I'm just rehearsing down in my drum room,

I usually, I'll do like a 5K, so a little over three miles and I'll come back and I feel good. And I mean, you would think that maybe, oh, well, if you're running, you're just going to tie your legs out. But I just feel like that kind of helps, you know, wake them up a little bit. But that's usually like if it's like a show day, if I do like three miles, I'll try to do that. But there's days that also maybe I don't get to run. But even if I just do some sort of cardio, like a lot of times with working out, if I'm on tour, I'll do like a full body kind of routine that just kind of gets everything going. So even if I could do that for 20 to 30 minutes, I feel like that helps too.

How close to playing the show would you do that? I wish it could be closer. I feel a lot of times it's just like I'll do that maybe like midday where there's times where it's like, all right, well, I have some free time. Like if they're doing like a meet and greet or something because I don't do the and greets that that gives me a window that if I'm not going like it Europe's tough because I love like seeing things so sometimes with my spare time I just want to go out with my camera and like take pictures or wander the city to see cool stuff where I was like I'd rather do that than go

bust my ass and run so it's it's tough but I mean I'll try to do it maybe like I'll do that at say if we I'll run at like four or five and then we play it I don't know between eight and 10 so it's pretty early on, but if I, ideally, if I could go for a run like an hour before set, I feel like that would be sick. So you, hang on, I'm still processing a lot. So you don't do the meet and greet, obviously. Yeah. So does anyone ever ask where you are?

Yeah, a lot. Hey! Yeah. But yeah, so it's to anybody that ever questions that, I don't do the meet and greet's. But I love you guys. I, you know, I appreciate the sport, you know, because, people always ask where I'm at and whatnot. So, but hopefully one day.

What do they, what's their answer? I don't know. I don't really have any. I used to, I guess back in the day, we used to do it earlier on, but just kind of not. So was it your decision or their decision? I mean, it was, I guess it's with their decision. You know what I mean? Because it's like the three of them, they're the band, you know, so.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Anyone listening, can you go to a meet and greet and then ask where Justin is and then tell me what the reply is? I wonder if they say like, oh, he can't be bothered with you little fucks. Yeah, they're just slagging me off real hard, just being like, ah, the kid's a total piece of shit. He just doesn't like you guys. Hates you fucking dudes.

Have you got drum tech? I do not, no. I do that myself. Holy shit. Yeah. So yeah we have so we have a crew like with our crew typically with Paris we have we have Pat who's our guitar tech we have TJ who is our we have a monitor engineer Denny he is our playback tech as well as there was a stint where we had Lindsay she

had like a kit as well and we did like a dual drum thing for a couple parts in the set and Denny would set up the other kit and then we have a front of house monitor engineer or front of house engineer Connor but everybody kind of works together to make the whole thing happen. So we don't have a massive crew, but enough that like more than a lot of people have and it makes it all happen and that show doesn't happen unless

those guys are there. But you set your drums up? Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's, yeah. That's a bad look for the band. It's not a bad look for you. You look like a DIY motherfucker, but I don't know. How big is this band? I thought your band was massive. I don't know. I mean, it's one of the, it's

like, I don't know, I've been doing it, so I have it down to a system where it's like, I know my stuff and obviously, I guess the only thing that's sometimes a pain is just like when we play festivals. So like we've done like Reading and Leads, we've done main stage on reading, Redding and Leeds or like Rockham Ring, Rock and Park, we've played main stage on those. And there's been a couple times where people like, wait, you're still doing that yourself? Which, I mean, hey, I'm doing it. My only thing is just the time constraint. Because a lot of times it's like we'll show up and it's like, we'll get to your up and be like, all right, well, we have two and a half or three hours before stage time. So we have to

go set up. And then I'm like rushing to set up my stuff. And then it's like, all right, well, now I have like 10 minutes to go figure out where the green room is. And then I run there and I'm like, it's, you know, summertime. So it's 90 degrees. And I'm like sweating my butt off. And then I'll get there and be like, all right, I have to like throw my stage clothes on and turn back around and head back to stage kind of thing. So that's the only thing with like time constraints are sometimes a pain. You should wear a disguise. No, you shouldn't actually Don't wear a disguise

I sometimes wear a hoodie Just because I feel weird Like putting my drums on stage in my stage clothes Because it looks like Why is that guy dressed for the beach? Yeah Why is this guy setting up these drums While he's dressed in the beach?

That man looks like the Unabomber What's his deal? Why is he doing that with those drums? Why is this man placing An item on the stage? Yeah get this shot individual why is you doing this um why i mean also it's going to take you longer to set your drums up because it's fucking backwards yeah that's uh there you go it's out i am left-handed

first lefty first witch on the downbeat witch get him was was it left-handed people that they used to burn as witches i think they might have problem You Steve's witch. Let me drop a quick fucking Jamie Google on this. Left-handed witches. The worst of all. Black cats, left-handedness and other signs of witchcraft.

Yep, there it is. So that's, I'm kind of, I'm all screwed up, growing up. I guess I predominantly did everything left-handed. But when I was younger, when I was a little, kid and learning obviously to write and whatnot. I guess when I would spend time at my grandmother's house, she was like, that's for the devil. Don't write with your left hand, write with your right hand. So I write with my right hand, but I do everything else left-handed. So like, play drums left-e. I throw left-handed. I kick with my left leg, but I back- But you can write. You can successfully

write with your right hand. Yeah, yeah. That's- What about your left hand? I can't do, I mean, I can't right with my left hand at all. Oh, you should have just learned the fucking drums the proper way there. I know, I know. It's, I feel like that's a big regret for me. I have grown up with so much scrutiny and, uh, just getting the piss taken out of me for being left handed. I mean like, I don't mean it, but.

No, no, no, no. It's, it's hilarious because it's like, well, that's the way I learned. And I was just like, I went to take lessons. I never took lessons. So I'm, I've always been like self-taught. So I went when I was maybe eight years old and a guy was, I was like, yeah, we could do lessons, but I'm not going to teach unless you switch to right hand.

And being eight, I was like, oh, you know, like terrified. Obviously, I was like, oh, I didn't want to do that, you know. So I never did it. And I wish I would have, because, I mean, you can't even walk into a guitar center. And there's not a single left-hand drum set up. So I was always the asshole that was, you know, couldn't play the guitar center's drums or whenever we used to play local shows and you have to use a house kit, I was the kid that everyone hated because either I had to switch their kit or the house kit had

to get like switched up. If we were like the third out of four bands on the bill, it was the worst. That's, yeah, the kit share element. The kit sharing element of the left-handedness is the bit that would bum me out the most. It's just flipping it all round. I used to teach a couple of left-handed kids and I would, I would insist, I wouldn't, I would insist that they picked what they wanted to do. like do you want to play completely left-handed or we can go open-handed so your left-hand

hand is still dominant but your right foot does everything or you can just learn right-handed and then I tell them the pros and cons of everything and most of them actually picked open-handed yeah well that's like Alon Rubin like plays that way with the open hand and um I know I have a couple other friends that do that which kind of a mind-fuck for me but you know I guess because it's like you're playing with the open hand on the hat the snares and hat

but then roll you know you're doing your your rolls and shit in like any of your fills the opposite way I don't know I can do that now

yeah just by accident I think by by increasing my skill set of stuff that I need to do to the point where I've accidentally given my left hand complete independence

which is not a bad problem to have I never use it though I really should because it looks cool. I really should just because it looks cool. I mean, there's some elements of it which are quite helpful as well.

Like if your left hand is up on the high hat, then you can fucking batter the snare because there's no like crossover. But I do kind of a weird thing with that anyway where if I'm playing something with a high hat and a snare, I sort of bring my hi-hat hand where, instead of being at like a four o'clock, I bring it almost at like a two o'clock.

so it opens my snare up and I can hit the snare with my left hand without getting into the cross of the sticks, you know? Yeah. There we go. There's a bit of drum shit for everyone. Drum nerds listening. Yeah. All right, carry on.

Oh, no, it was one of those things I think also, which probably helped my decision with being left hand was when I was younger. Obviously, I was a big handsome fan. and little Zach Hansen was left-handed so I was like, well... Hang on, you're not that much fucking younger than me. I mean, I loved Hansen when I was a kid. Maybe you were three years younger than me, and Hansen I was like...

You were right on the cusp of missing that boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, so that was, it was like, well, he's left-handed. If he could do it, I'd love to, you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure, and I was just like, I'm comfortable, and that's the way that I stuck with it. And, you know, I just used to play a CDs, and that's kind of how I learned,

because I can't really read music. Obviously, drums for like a sheet of music is pretty self-explanatory. The kick drums on the bottom. Like, it's kind of like just picking out notes. But I couldn't sit there and like do sheet music and read it. But I just kind of used to play along to like Nirvana and whatnot and just throw CDs in and kind of learn that way. It would take you a day to learn sight reading.

Yeah. If you can already play the drums, it's so fucking simple. Yeah. It's very easy. And we, another left-handed that we came across. We did a tour with Muse and 30 Seconds to Mars. And Dom, the drummer for Muse, is left-handed. And that was, like, my first time I've ever played with another left-handed drummer.

And I even remember the first day I had my shit all set up on a riser in the back. And, like, he walks in and everyone's like, and then I just remember him, like, turning to another guy. I was like, that's a left-hander. And I was like, oh, that's a good English accent. Thank you. Thank you. And I was like, he noticed.

And it was like the first thing He's like, is that Paris? You know, so Can you do more English, please? Can you do English a bit? I don't know. It's... Oh.

Yeah. I mean, I could keep it going a little bit, you know, but sometimes I get stumbled up on it. But... Oh, that's the fucking best that I've ever heard from an American. Yeah? Yeah. I've heard so many things.

I mean, you sound like you're from a fucking Charles Dickens book, but other than that. You know, I've... Take blimey. Take, blimey. Govna. No, I mean, Govna.

Jesus fucking Christ. You know, but so that's the thing, like, everybody, I don't know. I get it. I feel like that would be a long, like, childhood dream to be able to act. I always loved acting. But Lindsay and I, we're always constantly, like, I find myself, especially if we're, and it's not to take a piss on anybody or anything like that, or like, it's just to, like, we're not, like, making fun, but I find, like, wherever we're at, we're always doing accents.

You know what I mean? And it's just because it's fun, you know? So, like, we've had, like, some of our first trips to, like, unless the person is, unless the person is non-white, in which case I'm not going to try to do their accent for risk of sounding incredibly fucking offensive. And that that is quite frankly racist. But in America, oh, I'll try and fucking, I'll try and be all your accents. Yeah.

But I'm not doing it in, like, Japan or anything, you know. Yeah, no, you can't, that's kind of. No, no, that's fucked up. That's not on. That's not on. You can't do that. Yep, that's against the rules. So, like, I don't know.

I've tried, because, I mean, even you guys, similar to, like, in the States, we have so many different accents and dialects and whatnot. And, like, so even with, you know, when you go to England, you have all different kinds of people where you have the cockney, you have people from, like, up north, you know, and you have the London accent, which is different from, you know, I don't know. And so, like, I've always tried to achieve to, like, hear them all and try to sort them out as best as I can, but I don't know. I don't consider myself a pro, because I've gotten both, like, that sounds good,

and then I've also gotten, that sounds like shit, what are you doing? And I'm like, ah, damn it. So I just get bummed out, but I don't know, I try to do the accents as often. It's just fun. I like it. You're good at it. Very rare. It's never offensive.

I'm never offending when people try and do a UK accent, but I'm more offended by how they think, they have the audacity to think what they're about. out to say it's good. Like, and then they said like a terrible like, okay, I'm not offended at that. I'm offended at the confidence that you get thrown into that because it's fucking shit.

Yeah. I love, so like, I mean, again, what's helped, I had an, my ex-girlfriend was also English. She was from Southampton. So, I mean, I picked up a lot of things that way as well, but also my primary source of entertainment and watching

TV and movies and shit. I mean, I'm big Harry Potter fan. So obviously, like, I watch so much English TV and movies. Oh, yeah. That's just like, it's my thing. Your impression had a, a deep Harry Potter vibe. There we go. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I mean, my whole, my whole arm is all, all my tattoos on my left arm are all Harry Potter. So I'm a fucking nerd. L7 weenie. Nice. Harry Potter's, Harry Potter's sick, though. I was too old for the books, but I, um, I fuck with the movies. Yeah. I feel like some people are either, they couldn't give a shit about the movies and just didn't get into it. Or they're like, I like the movies, didn't mess with the books.

Or they're the, I did both give me everything Harry Potter, you know. Sorry, my dog was, my dog's losing her shit. She fucking, she sleeps all day, literally, right? It's 6.42. Wait, she's going to say something in a minute. It's 6.42 p.m. She has been asleep. I walked her at 9 a.m. I walked her.

Mm-hmm. She's been asleep since then. She's been asleep for six hours and 42 minutes. Jesus. Perfectly healthy dog. And then what happens? Because she's a whip it. They're like...

They just have so much energy. They're statistically the fastest nought to 60, no, nought to 40 miles an hour dog. So what they do is they have these crazy flashes of insane energy expenditure And then because it's like it's almost like a hit exercise She goes nuts And then she's like right I'm fucking knackered now boys I'm going to bed

But she's going to She's going to be a bit annoying on the end of this podcast And the annoying thing is it's always at this time That she sort of goes nuts And this is always the time that I do the podcast So apologies of any of it. Anyone gets a little, you know, a bit of lunar conversation. Yes, I'm talking to you.

She's wagging her tail. You ready? Let's see if we can get something from her. You're going to say something? Are you going to be dead air? Give me some sugar. Come on. There it is.

There we go. That's quite nice. I swear she's so close to English sometimes. Like, that almost sounded like, no, I don't want it. No. No. I don't want it. Well, she's from, originally, we rescued her from Devon, which is like,

where you're all town like this, down in Devon. Okay. So that's quite a hard accent. And I don't think she'd have that accent. In my head, she's got like a... That wasn't me. That was her. She's demonstrating her accent.

She's got like, uh... I reckon, like, in fact, my wife got really annoyed the other day. Because it was like 2 a.m. And I was thinking about this when she was asleep. And I'm like... Do you ever wonder, you just, she's trying to... And I turned around and was like, boy, do you reckon Luna's got like a voice?

What do you reckon her voice is like? She's like, what, what? I think of something's happened. And I'm like, what, uh, what voice do you reckon Luna's got? She's like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, I reckon it's like Scooby-Doo. And then she was like, no, it's not like... Then she just got into it immediately.

She was like, no, it's not Scooby-Doo. And I was like, Scrappy-Doo? And I think she's going to be, somewhere between Scooby and Scrappy? Or like maybe when Scooby and Shaggy, like, dress up as women to do some sort of fucking paper. And Scooby has a slightly elevated voice. I reckon she sounds like that.

Yeah. I feel that. I could see it. Again, top quality podcast content. Just, it's been talking about my dog's voice for fucking 10 minutes. We should probably talk about drums. again. What, what, um, who endorses you? Uh, uh, uh, drum wise. I play SACC. SJC drums. So I feel like I'm the first guy that actually reps SJC on your podcast. That actually plays that. Yeah. Oh yeah, Dan.

Obviously. Yes. Yes. You're right. Which I remember that one of the times Dan like, realizing me being left handed was when I had like an overhead shot of my kit on my Instagram. He's like, that totally like gives me an absolute mind fuck. And it was, just like, I don't know. Dan plays with his double pedal on the outside of his fucking hi-hat, so he can't fucking talk. Him and Matt.

Yeah, Matt Nichols from Bring Me. I remember that was one of the first things I noticed when his drum tech Andy had me up to his kit when we toured with them back in, I don't know, 2015, and I was just like, how the fuck does that work? With having that on the outside and I sat at the kit and it just, I can't,

I can't figure it out. It's just, it's fucking too much. Alex from Silent Planet, Alex from Silent Planet does the same thing. and someone else I mean that has to be a very it's a very wide double pedal stance I feel like it is very comfortable

when I used to tech for Dan it was comfortable but I just can't reprogram my brain to do that yeah because you just want to step out the guy that had the idea was Sean Reinhardt Reinhardt I don't know how to say that name from um

from death and cynic and he used to do that. And he said it was so he could keep his high hats closer, which I get. But what I do is I just have my kick drum on an angle and slightly more right. And then I have my pedals. Because my kick is more to the right,

or it would be the left in your case, my pedals are more center. My left pedal is more centered. Sound guys, it freaks them out, though, because they're like, why isn't this straight? I'm going to have to let my dog out quickly. Tell a story or something. You got a tall story?

Fucking tell it. All right, here we go. All right. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I could just continue to keep talking about that. I know I've gone back and forth between lessening the distance of my two pedals and, you know, kind of extending it to kind of get the right vibe for where I want to have it. Being a taller guy, I figured I probably have a little bit of a wider stance as it is.

And that also depends on your actual snare drum itself. whether you're playing a 13 or 14, that kind of thing for how wide your leg and your stance has, as well as how close you're sitting to the drum kit. But I know I've definitely switched a lot and played a lot around with my posture and my whole setup since I've been home to find the right kind of setup that I want to do and find what I feel is comfortable for myself. But yeah, that's definitely something that I've always been curious about having the high hat because it makes sense with having it closer

and it's a lot easier and the more that I've extended the distance I've noticed that sometimes it's easier to find yourself maybe missing or having to put a little bit more work into trying to get the high hat especially if you're doing like

doubles on the high hat kind of thing where you're using both your hands on there where it kind of makes it a little bit more I guess strenuous on yourself so were you really struggling to fill that time there. I mean, I felt like, I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure if I was hearing you breathing. I've been sat here for about a minute. Yeah, I've been sat here we're. I'm going to leave this as long as

possible to see if he starts getting uncomfortable. It was about to go real, I was like, how do I transition this into a tour story now? All right, next topic. I thought I was just going to, I've literally been back. I was back within seconds. I just opened the door for her. And then I was like, I'm going to see how far this goes. Two things I want to add from that. Yeah. Is there much double pedal in Paris, number one? You can just say no if there's none.

No. I mean, I throw it in for fun and just to keep it... A bit of flavor. Exactly. I throw a little bit of my own little Cajun flavor on there. But other than that, I mean, the actual drums themselves doesn't really have any kind of double pedal. But I grew up using it and it's one of those things where it's like,

obviously then I like, I enjoy playing it. When I'm at home, I play a lot of stuff that incorporates that. This is the other thing I was going to say. I saw you put a clip up of seventh circle architects. How are you fucking keeping those chops up while you're on tour in the pop band? You know, that's the thing. I guess I don't because it's like my thing is I'll finally like, I get my kid all set up, I tap it, I'm ready to go and I'll go to hit on it.

And then someone's like, hey, can you stop? Please. I have, I got to like check the money. And I'm just like, okay. So I don't get to play at all. You know, so kind of this is now my chance to rip. Your double kick, your double kick chops go downhill. Oh, for sure.

But it's not like, it's, I don't use it enough when we're playing live that it requires me to really keep it up. But then I feel like I lose it. Then I have to get home and have to rebuild it. So like, I'm finally at a point now where I'm like, I feel good. I'm not nearly as like where I would love to be, but I feel so much better than I would if we were just coming off of like a three month run and then without really using.

There's like one part where at the end of the set if we play like our encore and we do No Mercy, there's a part where I get to let loose and when Lindsay had her other kit, she'd be up there and we would both kind of going at it and I would incorporate just because I was just kind of letting loose and just going wild with it. That I would throw that in there.

But that's like really the only other. There's like maybe one other part where it's actually being utilized in our set. it was mainly for like a fan pleaser like a drum yeah drum solo it's my rabbit in the hat kind of trick what s j c kit have you got then obviously a maple but what's it what's the spec so it's uh it's 22 by 20 kick that's similar to what i had before uh i actually this time around it's a 13 by 13 by 10 i went with a 13 because i had a 12 12 9

and I wanted something that was like just a little bit beefier and I love it and then I have a 1616 floor but all maple I've got a 139 at the moment on my Star Classic maple and it's fucking the sickest. Yeah it's just a little bit of extra bottom end it just it's not like and it also kind of gives you more of that it's a similar not a similarity but it's not such a drastic like bing boom it's just like have like It just sounds so fat, and I have re-rings on it, so it gives it a little bit extra attack. It's probably the sickest kit I've had from SJ. I mean, I've never had. I'm the kind of guy that every kit I've had from those guys has been awesome, and I've not

had any kind of issues with them. And this one, they actually, they're starting to make their own shells, so they're not using Keller shells anymore. They're actually, like, pressing their own, and they're called, like, M5. And myself and a few other guys have gotten new kits that have these, and I think it sounds awesome. I'm super stoked with it. I personally think the SJC shells with the

she shells. It's so hard to say. SJC shells with the re-rings are way, way nicer sounding than just their normal shells. In general, like the DWs with the rewings are like fucking insane to record. My dog's going crazy.

Yeah, we've gotten a couple, I've had rentals and stuff when we've played, you know, here and there, whatever, when we couldn't have my kit. And I've had DWs with the re-rings on the, I tell you what, man, DWs are hefty sons of guns. They're some heavy drums. Yeah, I like, Dan had this one, which was maple, acrylic maple with like a see-through bit in the middle. Yeah, I remember that one. Yeah. By far the worst sounding professional drum kit I've ever heard. Like the Racton would just go no matter what you did.

I mean, I get it. It's like that's the customer asking for something that doesn't sound good. Like wood glued to, it's pretty much a given that the less seams that a shell has. That's why they make seamless shells is like the better it sounds because of the resonance. But you're then putting something that already has one seam. you are then combining it with two other bits of material which adds three more seams. Yeah, I mean that's tough.

I hear some rough one. This is supposed to be a fucking professional podcast, right? We're trying to get sponsors and that. It's trying to be a real professional time and you're just gobbing off. I'm going to have to go through and make sure the noise gate picks all this up because it's quite entertaining. Anyway, so as J.C. What heads, what sticks, what symbols?

I play Evans drumheads. I mean, I have the whole, yeah, I have the whole login thing. I don't, I'm not like, I don't think I'm in any of their flyers or I don't know if I'm considered on the roster. Maybe I am. I don't know. I've never gotten like a full confirmation, but I have the whole login, which you know about that with Deidario. It's the best, every company should have it. So I have, yep, with Evans. I play. Vader drumsticks and I play Zildjan symbols. What stick do you play? I play a 5B.

I've teetered the fence between like, I used to play like extreme 5B or like the power 5Bs or like the power 5A to kind of give an idea like similar to like I know you play the rock sticks, right? The big guys. Yeah. So I've done those ones. I mean, Vader sent me a new one that's called the 55BB which is essentially a 5B, but it's just like maybe a quarter of an inch or like a half an inch longer so it's a little bit

of extra length and i don't think it's too much funny do you know what's funny is that the modified five b stick companies bring a new modified five b out every single year as if it's like the invention of the internet they're like yo i know what you guys are missing here's a five b and it's slightly thicker and it's slightly long and everyone's like, whoa. What? Even though there's like 10 other models like that. Yeah, exactly.

They're always good. The Vic Firth one's really fucking good. I used to play VIII before I played Vic Firth. And if I was ever going to play a different stick company, I think it would probably be them. Any reason that you went one way or the other without flogging somebody off? Vic Firth was the first endorsement I ever got. and they were the first sticks I ever played

and in my head they are just the number one so then when the number one said yes I was like obviously definitely but I was playing Vic Firf at the in fact no I wasn't I was playing whatever was the cheapest in drum shops but my go-toes were a Vic Firf 5B

but now I'm on a Vic Firf rock the Veta 3A fat back 3A that's a fucking stick gotcha And the Chad Smith funk blaster is a fucking good stick as well. That's like a 5B kind of vibe, I think. Yeah, yeah, it's simpler, yeah.

And then I might have went through a phase of playing a VATA 2B. Yeah, I was going to say, I've done back in the day when like Under Earth was like smashing it. This is like probably back in my high school days and Aaron Gillespie was playing a 2B. I was like, I got to give this a shot. And those things are fucking clubs. Yeah. I mean, I love a club. It makes you a little bit slower.

I'll tell you what I noticed coming back from America where I was playing my 12 by 8, Tom, getting on to this 13 by 9 after not playing it for a month was fucking like being in snow. It was really hard to get some of the fast feels back up. Yeah. I might buy myself a practice kit, which is like 26, 18.

22 50 just because it would be so bizarre. I tell you what, I did. So like, I've pretty much always had like a 22 inch round kick drum. And I was up at SJC not too long ago just visiting their new shop. And they had me just like sit down and play on a 26 or I know it was a 24 inch. And just the difference in the kick like response to a 24 and a 22 fuck me up so much. And it's such a different feel. And the rebound is like totally different.

So I couldn't even imagine a 26, like the play off of a kickhead that big. Here's the thing with 24s, right? I love 24s. I play a 22 in America, but I've got 24 in this kit with a 13. The thing with the 24 is you need to compromise on shell depth because then you've got the same amount of air, if not cubic mass of air. Pubic mass? Pubic mass.

No, you got the same cubic mass of air in the drum as a 22. So I think a 22 by 14, sorry, a 24 by 14 actually has less air in it than a 22 by 18. Because there's four inches less. I don't know the fucking science. But my 24 feels faster than my 22 because it takes less for the air from the batterhead to get to the resonant head. You know what I mean? Also, it looks sick as fuck because they just looked like a kind of a huge snare drum. But I did play a 26, still by 14, but a 26 by 14 DW in a rehearsal room to once.

And it was fucking garbage. It was so hard to play. I mean, it sounded great, but just impossible. I couldn't imagine. Or like, I remember when I was younger, like Tommy Lee had this one setup. It might have been when he was with Pearl or Defragender. And it was like a 32-inch kick drum that was just enormous. But do you know, and Marlon Manson, Ginger Fish from Marina Manson used to have that.

And it was like a 40. But you know what they did? Both of them. They had normal kick drums inside it. And they didn't have the batter side on and they just had another kick drum. So it's just like a mock kind of like a fake. Yeah. But like bands have fake cabs all the time.

Sure. Why aren't more bands doing the giant kick? Yeah. I see a lot of dudes that do the double kicks, but they just play on double pedals and just have like that, you know, slave pedal. You could do the giant, giant fake kick. I think that would look sick in Paris. Mainstage running festival with a 32 inch kick. Just like peek.

I'm just like kind of looking over top of it, just peeking over. No, because then you have that to the side as well. Oh, I just like, you're some kind of. fucking steampunk orchestra guy that's fucking sick there it is what symbols you play zildjan yeah play zildjan love them that was like what's your set up i actually i do like zildjian i just slag i i slag everyone that isn't my company's off because it's funny and then people tag me and shit of those companies it's like i do know the people that work something about zilgin and he said not nice things. I know the people that work there. So it's like, don't snitch.

Stop snitching on me. Yeah. That was, Zildjim was like, that was like the first symbol that I ever had as a young kid that was like a legitimate symbol that wasn't like tin cans off of the very first drums that I had. And same. I nick one for my school. Oh, fuck. I can't say. Oh, shit. I mean, I didn't do that. Yeah. That didn't happen. Carry on. Yeah. And, uh, I've, I mean, Those guys are the sweetest. They've helped me out so much. Even before I was technically signed on as an artist with a contract and everything, like,

they've always helped me out with, like, crack symbols and just sending them back, and they've, like, helped replace those. But, I mean, they've been nothing but amazing. And it's just a fact to be able to, like, go up to that, go there and be able to, like, walk into the symbol vault that, like, some of my favorite drummers have been in there. And it's like, why am I even here? Like, why am I allowed to even step into this room and play these symbols?

like everything you could think of and they're just like what do you want to play? But my setup wise actually I have 16 inch hats which I love I've teetered between I mean like at home I play

14 and a half like they're spent I guess they're like limited edition Ks that they have and I love those they're like K hybrids but on

like with my actual tour kit I have a 16 inch and I actually found that like Dom from Muse and their drum tech Jeremy showed me those things and for how big they are you'd think they'd be super washy but they also have like the best sounding chick

and just like just I don't know it's awesome and punctuation to it just sounds I love those and was Don playing a cue yes what was it made of I fucking love Q he they had like some sort of

crazy it was like a copper kit. It was super, it was super, super neat looking. So it was like all copper with the rivets on it. He had, I mean, like, Jeremy obviously is like one of the owners of Q and he's his drum tech. And he, they were like, oh, is he? I didn't know that. I don't know Jeremy. I didn't know he was his drum tape. Yeah. So he, I mean, they would like add things on. So he had this like, Jeremy made these custom, um, I guess, like kind of like sample pad things that he would have like where the Tom's are at. and they would also, they were like semi-acrylic with like clear heads on them, but also have the same copper wrap around it.

And then when he would hit them, it'd also trigger like a light that way. So it would light up like super bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. It was neat looking shit. And then just like clear kickhead, big 24 inch. It was sick. I kind of like muse.

I don't like on paper like muse, but every time I hear a new muse song, I'm like, it sounds a bit like primus or like some weird shit. they're definitely incredibly talented. Yeah, that's the, I mean, like, each one of those guys are absolute prodigies. You know what I mean? Like, Dom, like, he is record quality every single night. I mean, all those guys, like, they're just, their bass player, phenomenal. I mean, everybody.

Matt Bellamy is like, I don't know, that guy's, he builds his own guitars and plays his own guitar. Like, I don't know. Just what, like, even the, like, I didn't care that we even played. Just getting to watch them every single night. It's such a spectacle, and their shows are just unreal. even just their production itself. It's crazy. Did you know the shit about his dad?

No. So when they headlined Glastonbury for the first time, his dad had a heart attack while they were playing. Dye. Yeah. Wow. I did not know that. How dark is that?

How dark is that? That's devastating. Jesus. Absolutely fucking savage. Although if, you know, no. No. I'm not in no fucking way Nah

Nah, not Nah, nap, nap Not, not, nap Got to be careful about what I say here That is just fucking horrible Wow I don't know if he was at the show

Or if he was like at home watching it I imagine him If he'd be in Bastonbury He would be there So that's even Even fucking worse Coming off stage Sure

Fuck Couldn't imagine So yeah That's pretty fucking pretty fucking nuts Anyway Right I made that dark Pretty fucking quick

We're getting Pretty close to the end So What I'm gonna do is say What's your top five bands And then we're gonna say bye Unless you've got anything you want to plug Oh you've got artwork that you do

You want to talk about your artwork a bit Because it's really fucking good Oh thank you thank you Yeah I mean that's I You know I went to school for graphic design. I, so I have, I have a degree in that, which I don't usually do often, because I've always been like a pen and paper kind of guy. Yeah. Luna, we got ourselves a sexy boy

who's all so smart. You can marry him. Yeah. Carry on, sorry. I'm fucking terrible with this. But yeah, so I went to school for graphic design, which I, because it was like, well, nobody wants fine art. Nobody's buying paintings and blah, blah, blah, anymore. everybody, you know, but that's also probably one of the most oversaturated, you know, fields because everybody in their mom could just learn shit on YouTube and figure out how to be a graphic designer. And there's plenty of people that are so much better than I am. But I've always been a pen and paper guy. So I like drawing. So I do have my own, like, little online website, like a big cartel where I sell some of my art prints and stuff and some of my photography.

So I do that. It's fun. You know, I mean, that's the biggest thing. It was like, I finally did it this past year because it was like, you know, I enjoy it. And if other people enjoy it, that's kind of, you know, that's what I get. That makes me happy and they can kind of have something that I have. This is the thing. And it's, they're good. And it's like, like it or not, you're technically famous. And it's quite nice to have a bit of art from someone.

Like I always see, you know, the Gojira drummer does those paintings. Yes. Yeah. They're always so fucking expensive, but I want one so bad. Yeah. He does, like, I work on his drum heads and stuff, which is just, like, mental. Yeah. If I get him on the podcast, I'm going to be like, yeah, yeah, that was fun.

At the end, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, that was fun, mate. And he'd be like, yeah, let me know any time. He's white, he's white, so I can do his accent. Let me know anything. Anything I can do for you. I'm Frenchman. And I'll be like, yeah, tell you fucking what. Give us one those paintings, boy.

Yeah. We did a festival with those guys. And that's, like, that's the coolest thing about doing festivals is because you get to play with bands that you'd never. ever play an actual, like, tour with. So, like, we've done ones with those guys with Gojira, which is so sick to watch. We've done a couple with Mushugah, which have lost my mind watching those guys get to play live. Hang on. Paris and Mushugger.

I guess festivals. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah, so that's what's kind of cool is, like, we did Rock and Ring and Rock and Park, and we got to play with those guys. And then also I found out that Musugia's drum tech is, like, a massive Paris fan. And he, like, came and watched us, like, multiple days. And I was like, what? and he stopped me in catering and introduced himself

and I was like, shitting my pants. That's sick. Yeah, Meshugas mind blowing. So that was cool to see. Did you do the, did you watch Thomas from the behind the drum riser? No. So, yeah, we watched. I wanted to do that because he was like, come up to stage and let me know.

But by the time we had like made our way from our stage to their stage, it was like chaos time for them and they were loading on. And it was like just before set. So I was like, I'm not going to try to, you know, bother. him but he was like oh i should come up he's like oh you should have just came up but i didn't want to do that but it's just unreal for some reason every bone in my body wants to keep doing the mario go jura french voice i nearly just replied in it um i'm fucking hungry so let's do your top five bands but do not have to rush it but it's it gets to this time in the podcast and i'm like yeah now

my man's getting hungry also not to interject another one with like playing obviously this goes along with one of my favorite bands, but I'll throw this one in to start a tip, but could put this other tip in there. So obviously, one of them is Architects. I love those dudes. They're all the nicest guys. Obviously, you're great mates with all of them.

But funny enough, playing festivals that we don't normally play with, we did a show, and I show up, and I think Architects is maybe playing right after us, so we were like right before those guys, and I show up, I'm setting up my kit, I pull my snare drum out, and the bottom head is just totally blown to smithereens, which I remember exactly when it happened

because one of the people at an airport was like carrying all of our gear and my snare took a tumble right off the top of it onto the ground. And I was just like, oh, and just kind of hoping, well, it's either fucked or it's not. And I show up and obviously totally blown out and I'm freaking out. I mean in Europe, so I have no extra drum heads. And thankfully enough, which if Fred is listening to this, their drum tech now. Fred, sweetest dude ever. He gave me one of Dan's bottom heads and helped me out substantially and made that happen for us. So that was awesome. I love Fred. Fred is, Fred, I joke with

Fred. In fact, I had a conversation with Fred the other day that involved bottom snare heads as well, because that's the kind of fucking geeks we are. But I told him the other day, I was like, you do realize my wife says good night to you every night. He was like, what? because I, you know, have you seen the long sleeve that they did? They did a limited run. I think it was just for people in the band where... Yeah, yeah. They copied dark throne, a blaze in the northern sky.

And they, because it was a photo of Fred where he looked like he was wearing corpse paint. And they brought architects and it says a blaze in the bed for sky. Anyway, I wear that t-shirt to bed. And when I'm wearing it, Katie goes, night, Fred. And she kisses it on my shirt. That's incredible. So Architects is one of your top five? Yeah, awesome dudes.

I love those guys. I mean, you know, they've come to see us at shows. And likewise, I mean, like one of my first times... I think that's the first time I met you was... Did you come to an architect show? Yeah, myself and Brian, we came up. We were in New York and we came to that show and you guys were opening up for them. So that was the first time we actually met.

Last day of tour again, you only see the bad ones. Exactly. Oh, I lost my mind at that show. That was sick. That was a great time. So, yeah, and I mean, like, when we first played Brighton, we, they came out to our show and stuff. And, like, I mean, that's where, like, I met Tom. Tom even, Tom and Dan had their mom out.

So, like, I got to meet her and Sam. So it was like, yeah, it was cool. Yeah. So, like, you know, we've mutually always kept in touch and those guys are absolute sweethearts. And we've done crossings like that or we did like Halloween last year on BBC with those guys. So they've always been awesome. Other top band. And what's your favorite architect song?

Ooh, that's a tough one. I mean, hmm, there's so many good ones. It's tough to narrow it down. I mean, these colors don't run is a classic. Big time. You know, so that's a great one. That's a heavy hitter.

Doomsday was like, out of the newer ones. I fucking love that one. That was like the first one I had to learn on drums off of like that new record. Like when they put that out as the single, I need to learn this because I absolutely love it. I put out a tweet that went semi-viral about that song. I mean, semi-viral in the metal core community. I mean, by that, I mean, you got like fucking 200 retweets or something,

not like a video of a cat falling over. Yeah. And I meant it, but the snare at the beginning of Doomsday is like, I remember that tweet. Is like as iconic as misery business. Like, you can't beat a flap at the beginning of a song. Yeah. I honestly think Holy Hell on the new album is one of my favorite architect songs ever.

Yeah. That's what I mean. It's like the entire new album is incredible. I absolutely love it. I mean, just every, I don't know. I love every song.

It's so hard to like narrow it down. But yeah, Holy Hell is awesome. Every member is absolutely fucking insane at their instrument. Yeah. It's crazy just watching them. Let's fucking see it. Anyway,

give me more because my AirPods just told me. I'm running out of battery. Uh-oh. So band-wise, I mean, ever since I was a little kid, Blink 182 has been, you know, that's just, I grew up with those guys.

I was, like, Travis Barker was, like, what made me wanted to play, like, pop punk, you know, music back in the day when I was, you know, playing with my brother

in our basement kind of thing. Nice. So that was, and we got to play with those guys. So that was, like, one person I had a tough time holding my shit together. It was meeting Mark Hopas

because it was just, like, crap in my pants the entire time. It was like, were playing with you guys. Just like a one-off show, just the two of us. And that was like a childhood dream of mine.

So that was really cool. That's fucking sick. What's your favorite blinks on? I don't know. That's tough. I mean, damn it is like the iconic one that everybody knows.

So that's just the one that goes down in history as like the coolest blink song. But I don't know. That carousel was like such a cool bass line. That's like old school shit. But I mean, I've been listening to them.

I was like... Hang on. What the fuck is carousel? What happens that on? That's on Cheshire Cat, I think originally. No Travis. No, Travis. No, no, care.

No care. Yeah, that's the early stuff. Travis Barker is so fucking good at the drums. And anyone that says that he isn't is absolutely incorrect. Yeah. We played a festival with them last summer, I think it was, maybe the summer before. And I was absolutely fucking blown away by how much better he gets every year. He practices still.

someone told me Eric the night versus guy from yeah back flip man he told me because obviously

hang on I will fucking sort of story out what are you doing you're now on the internet being a naughty girl being a naughty girl on the internet

what's that is that what you want the bone take the fucking bone no I'm sorry about that you wouldn't get that on radio one

I forgot what I was fucking talking about you're talking about Are I sucks saying about... He... He did some song with Travis Barker. I don't know why, what it was for or whatever,

but he said that... He said that he went to Travis Barker's house. I think, or someone else went to his house or whatever. He's got a practice kit in every single room of his house. That's like... Unreal. Yeah. If he feels inspired, he would just like have a little fucking jam.

It's like... It's the equivalent of the... Have you seen the Lil Wayne documentary where he's got a recording studio in every room his house. No, that's all so sick as fuck. Because he's like, hang on, I've got an idea. And he just goes off into a corner and drops some lines. Yeah, man, you're me and my spaghetti.

Yeah. Just like dropping verses in every room. So sick. That's crazy. Hang on, I'm going to give you my favorite blinks on. That's tough. I feel like it'd be off self-titled. See, I love that album.

But a lot of people, I feel like that's like the, one for them to hate minus like their newer stuff it's my favorite it's my favorite one but yeah like there's so many great ones on there because that's like their mo that was like when they first started to experiment with shit and i fucking love that one like there's some really good ones yeah like stock Stockholm syndrome's like a sick one stock the whole the whole section of that letter the woman reading the letter yeah on syndrome and violence that little fucking three songs in a row business so sick yeah i totally agree with you there nice someone i just saw today someone's made a spotify playlist which is every song that i've ever talked about on the podcast with people

which i think it's kind of sick it's on that's awesome it's on spotify if people want to listen to it it's called the downbeat playlist i think it's called so respect who ever made that um all right give me three more bands i think this is going to be the longest podcast that i've done Oh shit I think it might be longer than the one with Dan Oh god I'm not worthy

What am I Who am I I'm just like It's been nice though I like it doesn't feel like it's been that long Yeah Who I'd say so

I mean as for icons I mean I grew up with 80s You know music I mean listen to like Ozzy Slayer Metallica Judas Priest All those ones

Like I'm a big I have a soft spot for ACDC I grew up loving those guys Like those guys are sick like I don't know back in black high voltage like those records are all sick highway to hell those are good ones um for is that ACDC in your top five then yeah I'd say that they're one of the top five just for ones that's like iconic what's your favorite DC song then I feel like back in black was like one of the first songs like that and like smells like teen spirit I know let's

there's one of the first ones that I learned on drum So like those are like, I have a spot for those because it was like, that's the ones that I sat and played to in my parents' basement growing up. Or like, it smells like teens. Well, and then surely you're not putting those on though to actively like them. I mean,

not anymore. Live in the now, my friends. Living the now. So I guess for new ones, well, so my buddy has this game called Thunderchug and I'll bring it up now. It's my buddy's Brett.

And he plays a game. This is my favorite ACDC song. Exactly. So you have Thunder. Struck, but it's called Thunder's Chug. And every time he says Thunder, you have to chug. And you chug until he says it again, and then the next person. So you're in a circle, right?

So everybody does this. We've done, like, my buddy, J.W. At here, we actually played it at his wedding, which is nuts. So him and his wife, literally they're in, like, their best tuxedo and her gown, and they're playing Thunder chug at their wedding. My buddy Brett's all miced up. And every single time he says Thunder, the next person chugs. But if you get stuck with a guitar cello, you're fucked.

Like, you're chug in multiple beers in a row. Oh, so you chug until the next time he says thunder. And then it moves on to someone else. Correct. So it's... Incredible. Yeah, it's quite the game. So when you have a lot of people, it's just like a total shit show.

It's hilarious. It's just, it's spectacle to watch, let it learn participate. But if you get stuck with the cello, you're pissed because you're not having a good time. So I'd say Thunderstruck. Yeah, Thunderstruck's awesome. I do love that song. I'd like to play that game, even though everything I said about the drinking. Yeah, right?

Me too. Everything I said about the drinking is classic January man saying that. Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm not going to really drink this year. Yeah. Put fucking Thunderstruck on. Let's go. Yeah.

All right, you give me three. You need two more. So, me without you is a Philly band that I have, I love those guys. They're awesome. I don't know if you're familiar with them, but they've been around for ages. And I know the name. but I couldn't name you a song. Yeah, I mean, they, it's like,

they've kind of spanned multiple genres of just like, they used to be super heavy, and now they've kind of been that, like, folky, new-aged kind of indie rock kind of stuff. It's, but I've always, I've just loved them. Aaron, their singer is just an incredible lyricist, and he's such a poet, like, I don't know. I don't know many people that kind of top his, like,

I don't know, his ability for writing just in terms of lyrics. And I mean, he's quoting stuff from passages and books and just he's a very intelligent person. So I respect those guys a lot. Nice. I can't talk to you about them because I don't know. Sure. Next. Next.

Thank you. Next. Yeah. Every time I die, the only band that I've ever crowd surfed to, they are fucking heavy hitters, sweet gentlemen. And I love that band. I've been a fan of those guys for ages. That's fucking cool. They're a fucking good band.

And they only seem to get better. Right. That last album is fucking phenomenal. Yeah, Loatines is sick. It's so good. It's, you know, it's well produced. They've been through so many drummers, but I'm stoked that they have, like, Goose.

Like, Goose is a fucking, he's the man. He fits in with them so well. And those guys is awesome. Oh, shit. Fucking, fucking Daniel's not in them anymore. Yeah, which, again, he's a Philly boy. Like, Daniel is also phenomenal. drummer they've ever had was next level.

So he just tracked low teens, did the touring and then he bounced. I think I heard something about he wasn't, he wasn't ready to tour that much because they tour all the time and they're fully grown men. Like I'm a fully grown man, but they are fully grown men. Yeah, I think Andy and their base, like they just both turned 40. So they're, you know, they've been doing it for a while. That's so sick that they're still doing it though. Yeah, and I mean, the way that you watch, like, Jordan, their guitar player and Andy, the way that they're like, they're all over the stage. They're madmen. And they're just so on point.

You know what I mean? Like, they don't skip a beat. They're not fucking up. Like, I stood side stage at that show and I was next to his cab. And there's not missed notes while he's swinging his head and just jumping off of shit. Like, they're just on it. It's awesome. I don't really know those guys.

I played with them a few times. I've worked out with Andy a couple of times. So I know them well enough to be like to say what's up. up. Yeah. But I don't really know them, know them. But excellent band.

Low Teens recorded fully live. Do you know that? That's sick. I didn't even know that. I think there might not have even been a click. Fuck. Yeah, I think it was fully live with no click.

Because I remember Will Putney told me because he did it. Just wanted to try something different. And it sounds fucking. That first track. Oh, so sick. Yeah. And I've talked about it before on the podcast.

The shit happens DVD. is the reason I started wanting to talk. Yeah. That I fucking, I'm so glad that you, like, I remember, I think you brought that up on the podcast before and I was like, finally somebody else that knows about shinfo, like, that I could talk to that, like, knows that DVD. And that, it's hysterical.

Those guys need their own reality TV show as well as you. I feel like I need to, I feel like I need to rewatch that DVD to kind of check myself a bit to be like, yo, touring is only as sick as you make it. So, yeah. Stop being so depressed, you fucking depressing little wanker. There you go. You give me five. There it is.

This has been nice, mate. Dude, thank you so much for having me on here. I really enjoyed it, and it's flown by. And also, I've just checked. I actually put out the last podcast one week ago, so I haven't been sick for two weeks. I've only been sick for one, which means I'm not dying, probably. And then it means I don't have to put this one up until next week, which means I'll actually be on schedule to have some go out while I'm on tour

and not have people going, which is great. Thank you. Thank you for enjoying it. But, you know, I'm not usually this professional. What we're going to do now is say a fake goodbye, and then we're going to stay on the phone and talk briefly. All right. Excellent.

Also, I'm going to throw on this shinfo for you. Here's a little tidbit. So you remember when we played Hungary? I don't know why. I had this in the back of my mind and I was like, oh, I'll tell them if it comes up. But remember when we played Hungary and we both took a picture on the boat together and you were like, I'm going to take the same exact picture as you?

Yes. And you posted it, yes, which was hilarious. That following day, I don't know if you guys played, because we were like following each other on that run. But the following day, we went on a boat tour. And I don't remember if that was the day that you guys played. or not, but we went on this boat tour, right? And it was like the first time they had ever done it.

And on that river, when we got into the boat, they're like, hey, so we're going to take you on this tour. It was like a speedboat thing where they do the 360s and get you all soak and wet and shit, which is nuts. It was really fun. But they closed down the river and part of it because they said that they found an unexploded bomb from World War II that was attached to the bridge.

And I wasn't sure if you heard about that or not. Wow. In the same river that the... That the boat that we played on, yeah, and that actual boat. That's fucking cool. Yeah, which is nuts to figure that like something like that they found because they're like, yeah, we can't take in that part of the river because they shut it down because there was a, like a bomb that was attached from 70 years ago that didn't blow up, which is just kind of mind blowing. But I wasn't sure if you guys had heard anything about that while you were there. No, nothing.

No. Okay. Well, there it is. That boat was a terrible loading. Excellent show, but terrible loading. Yeah. I remember being hungry or. all day. Terrible load out.

I swear if somebody has said, oh yeah, there's a World War II bomb over there. I'd be like, yeah, come on then.

Let's go. Makes sense. Yeah, let me go and detonate it with me on it. Best part was they had venue dogs there that were incredible

that were a good laugh. That was a fun time. That was very true. I do like, I do like touring. What a miserable bastard. Right. Um,

I'm going to go and eat food. All right, man. Sounds good. Bye. Goodbye. And then stay on the phone. All right. Sounds good.

Bye, mate. Goodbye. Take care. Thank you, Craig.