The Downbeat - Kerim "Krimh" Lechner - Septic Flesh / Decapitated / Behemoth (session)

Episode Date: December 10, 2018

My guest this week is Kerim "Krimh" Lechner. Krimh is a fantastic Austrian drummer currently playing with Greek death metal band Septic Flesh. Prior to this he played with Decapitated, and has also sessioned for Behemoth which as we all know is probably the hardest death metal gig you could ever get.  We talk about his time in all of these bands as well as foot technique, tattoos, health/fitness and how it relates to drumming, food, blah blah all the normal stuff. I also tell the story of how I nearly got killed by actual hippos. Enjoy!

Ah yeah. It'll be perfectly honest. I'm going to cut to the chase here. Hello. Yeah. Podcast on that. Drums. Thanks to everyone who bought a t-shirt on the third run of t-shirts.

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which is mental. So, you know, shout out to you directly from the podcast. Don't know how you'd even wear four t-shirts. Two of them are the same. Could be friends, could be gifts, I suppose. Anyway, this is pointless. My guest this week is

Krim, Kerym Lechner. He is the drummer of septic flesh now. That's very metal. name, isn't it? He was previously in the band Decapitated. You might know him through YouTube, where he's done covers of slip-knot. He did a load of Slip-Not covers that got like millions of views. And he did a brief stint with Bohemoth. So yeah, he's a fantastic metal drummer. We talk about all of the things I just said, the bands he's been in, how he got.

got into Decapitated in the first place. How the session stuff with Behemoth came about. We talk a lot about extracurricular activities. Talk about tattoos for a bit. Talk about fitness, health and fitness. And how it relates to drumming. It's very informative. You should probably continue listening to it, I'd imagine.

So here we go. Krim, the Downbeat Podcast. CRIM! Hello. Hi, mate. How are you? A bit sleepy, I could take a nap, but... It's okay, it's okay. What time is it?

It is... My time is 3pm, but, you know, I'm like a baby. I need there was a nap on the afternoon. Do you nap in the afternoon every day? Not every day, but if I play a lot in the morning and I have other things to do, then I prefer like some sort of a power nap. Yeah, sure, why not?

How long? This is interesting. Straight off the bat, interesting stuff. Because Matt Garska does this every day. He has a nap after he practices and he's very good at the drums and so are you. How long is the nap? What time you're waking up at? What time you're playing drums at?

Okay, we start right away, right, with all the secrets. Yeah, give me all the fucking secrets. We'll make it 10 minute podcast, bounce. You can have a nap. So, actually, I try not to sleep longer than 30 minutes. Between 20 and 30 minutes. I think that's enough.

And when I wake up, it's between sometimes 5.30 to 7. Wow. That's early. I know. And then you're like straight down the drums or? Kind of, you know, I just breakfast, take my time. And then I try to be in the room around 8 to 9 a.m. because that's when the room is free.

I'm sharing the room. So I have the mornings. That's why. What's for breakfast? What's a cream breakfast like? As much as I can get, you know, depending what is at home. But sometimes it's like a mixture.

It's like some omelette with oats inside. That's kind of the one that will last quite a while. Or not than just an oatmeal. Or I also like just some avocado sandwiches. Or another classic is butter with banana on it, On the bread, have you ever tried this one? Yeah, we're peanut butter. Peanut butter or just butter?

Normal butter, but you have to salt at butter, so that's a bit disgusting. But we have, you know, without salt, just normal butter. And then it's pretty nice. That's interesting. And coffee. Yeah, coffee and tea and water, like everything. You know, for me, most important is breakfast. Otherwise, I don't function.

Yeah, same. You've got to crush a good breakfast. So then you're down there at like nine, and then how long do you play for? two hours to be honest i think that's enough for me personally two two is where my brain stops it starts resisting information and i actually get worse correct i have the same so full power two hours and then i'm just like to chill a little bit in the room you know make another coffee or i would just jam around just for fun but nothing like what has to be done for work a session job or you know that's the same as me you do pretty much exactly the same thing like i'll

still hang out at the studio when I'm finished, but I'll just have another coffee and maybe jam a little bit. Exactly. Just to get, you know, loose again. Let's let the brain a little bit, you know, how to say, get rid of all the stress? My ass goes to sleep. Like, when I'm sat at the drum kit for like two hours, my fucking bum stops working. I'm like, just, I need to get up and move around. Never had that, like. Yeah, because you play double kick constantly. Like, It shakes my ass and ball sack, so it's going to be... So do you still cycle to your studios? It's still a fairly big cycle?

I remember watching a video a while back. Yeah, correct. It looks like, you know what is funny? Everybody mentions this video, specifically this one. Everybody talks about, like, yeah, you're the guy that drives in the winter in Warsaw to the practice room for 40 minutes. Well, the distance is shorter. Now it's just 10 minutes.

and because I've moved a lot of times, different places, different practice rooms. But yeah, sure, whenever the weather is fine and I don't have to carry any drum stuff like symbols or whatnot, then I take the bicycle. Sure, why not? Nice. Does that warm you up? What's your warm up before you play? I want all the secrets.

Look, we're fucking seven minutes in secrets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Warm up, well, before the show, I actually do a new thing. I'm running around the venue, basically just warm up the whole body. five to ten minutes, not longer, just so that you start sweating. For practice, in the practice room, yeah, okay, the cycling helps a little bit, but honestly, there I don't have such a stress with warm-up, so I just jam around.

Probably the first song sucks or the second one, but then I'm fine, you know. So I don't care too much about the warm-up. You just go straight into it. Straight, full power, yeah. And then when you play live, you said you run around the venue. That's funny, but that's it. Don't touch a pad, no foot stuff? I have no pads for the feet, and I don't have a pad for me also for the hands.

So I try to just jump around, push-ups and all this kind of stuff. And yeah, that helps actually. Not really too much paradigal doubles, all this crap. Never worked for me. You know, I need to sweat. See, that works for me. I can't do your thing. Unless I go to the gym, like, immediately before I play, which actually helps.

Yeah, but just running, you know. No, no. It's like run to the point that you've, really wake up and you feel you're starting to be a little bit exhausted and you the plat is running through your body then throwing a couple of squats and some push-ups um play a little bit on the couch and then ready on stage like let's do it i might try this running thing but it has to be short you know i'm talking about just the moment where you really feel your brain gets more oxygen so are you like trying to sprint for short periods of times or like jog no jog and especially

Okay, in the winter, it's kind of fresh, but the cool thing is when you didn't wear a hoodie and you run around the block. It's kind of freezy, but whenever you come inside the venue, you feel how immediately the sweat kicks in and how your whole body is like warm and warm up, and this is what you need, you know? Yeah, it sort of acclimatizes you to the show to the stage. Yeah, I try to warm up my body fully for the whole thing. Nice. So where are you talking to us from right now? I'm talking from Austria, close to Vienna.

Not straight in Vienna. It's actually a place called Vinanoistat. This is where I grew up. This is my hometown. Yeah, I'm from Austria. Small Austrian guy from Austria. Small Austrian guy. Arnie was from Austria.

He was. Adolf Hitler. Yeah, and Mozart also. Don't forget him. You got two good ones, one baddie. That's pretty three good ones, including you. Oh, thank you. But I'm not on the same level.

Come on, brother. I hope you're not on the same level as Hitler. For sure, this one not. You know? This is what I was trying to think about. Thanks for coming on this, by the way. What I was trying to think about is how we actually know each other. And I remembered it was decapitated the harp machine in 2012.

Was it 12 or 11? No, it was probably 2012, early 2012, right? I might have a look right now. It was a UK tour, wasn't it? Yeah, definitely. UK tour and I guess it was the beginning of 2012. It was pretty cold, but that doesn't mean anything for British weather, right? Yeah, I really want to see when it was. Sorry, this is fucking dead air.

Doesn't matter. We kind of know. Yeah, it was a long time ago. Here we go. 2011. Wopah, I was right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Jesus, that was a long time ago. That's always good, wasn't that?

Who else was like? Decapitated, aborted co-headline. Oh, yeah. And then I think it was just us, and that was it. Yep. That was the first time I saw you... Not the first time I saw you play the drums, because actually, we were both on the Derek Roddy forums

in, like, 2008. What? Yeah. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. So, because I remember you posting like sixth videos and stuff like that back then. Wopah, yeah, that was a long time ago.

Yeah, that might even be like 2006. No, it must be 2008 because 2007 I started the whole YouTube thing. Oh, there we go then, yeah, 2008. And I remember you being really good then, and then suddenly you're in decapitated. And like everybody was like, what the hell is going on, right? How did that happen? Well, it happened because of YouTube, to be honest. honest. And I was the lucky one that I started with a YouTube career in a way,

whenever you, like, when YouTube was still small and you could just upload videos in the shittiest quality with the shittiest audio quality as well. And people loved it. So I made it a decaditated cover besides other covers. And so the band started to contact me when it was time to find a new drummer. And yeah, from there on, magic was happening, you know? Which song did you do? I'm Invisible Control. That was the one. That's a fucking difficult song.

Yeah, but you know, back then, of course, there was not at the level that if you listen closely, kick drum is definitely not on the 16th notes, but fuck it, the attention was there. Yeah, but the thing with that is, Vtec, Vtec, how do I say that? Vtec. Vtec.

So there was a weird thing with him on the Decapitated Records, where it was kind of like he's not playing 16th and he's not playing triplets. it's like he's just playing very fast. Yeah, it's all in, you know? It's like you just give all in. It's like I have this, this is the bar of music, and I'm going to try and fit as many kicks in there as possible.

Kind of. Yeah, but the guy, he knew what he did, so, and I really love. Oh, no, it sounded incredible, like R-I-Pee, that guy, if anyone doesn't know, the original drummer from Decapade died in a van crash in, that was 2006, I think. Wait a second. No, it was 2007 because actually Vitex saw this drum video as well, this drum cover of mine from what I heard.

Oh, wow. So that happened was autumn 2007. Jesus. Yeah, that was rough. And then the singer was in a coma. Is he still in a coma or he's just like fucked now? Yeah, it's still bad conditions. I mean, he has such a lovely support from the family.

and from so many friends and also fans because we have done, when they're still doing it, you know, they're making shows to collect money for his treatments. But there's super, super small progress. It's not like that he's able to talk, but he reacts in a way. We had him on concerts

when we played in Krakow. He was there in a wheelchair, a wheelchair, listening to the show and you could tell that he enjoys it, but it's a difficult situation, you know. Wow, that sucks. I mean, that band has had a rough ride.

All the time. Like, I don't know what's going on. Maybe they're cursed. I don't know. It's just crazy. It's insane. So, you did decapitated for how long? Two and a half years, maximum, something like that.

Like, I officially joined in 2009, but, you know, touring-wise, we started 2010. And I left half of 2012. Yes. did you leave on good terms can you talk about this at the moment probably was not yeah okay I give you all the secrets my friend no but at the moment definitely was not probably the best place or like the best moment

to talk with each other but you know what as we get older and you know things have a different view on certain things we're fine with each other you know we can hang out we can talk with each other we appreciate what we have achieved both of us. Yeah, it's the same like, it's the same with me.

Anytime you leave a band, it's like breaking up with a girlfriend or breaking up with, it's like breaking up with four girlfriends. And it's like everyone is always annoyed at first because it's a pain in the ass to get a new drummer on to do whatever. But then over time,

you always make up with them, except for the heart machine. Yeah, you know, what? I mean, it was, there's definitely, like, personally, didn't fit so well. And I guess also because I'm just from a different nationality. I can tell that it also makes a difference. But, yeah, you know, I did my thing, they did their thing, and we are successful in what we do. So I appreciate what I have achieved with the band and what they have teach me. It's not like there was only bad things happening, absolutely not. So, you know, right now, for me, it was a good time. I've learned a lot.

I see some sort of studies, you know, because it has helped me a lot in my playing style. And now it's just a different situation, different music. I remember being blown away by how hard your kick drums were on that tour. Yeah, like, it's like the secret. You blended Trigger and Mike, didn't you? I think our sound guy did that, yeah. Yeah, and I remember just thinking, this is just phenomenal. it was so powerful, not only fast, but insanely powerful.

Now come on. It's the old swivel boy. I'm the swivel boy. He's the swivel boy. I'm the swivel boy. And like when I discovered the swivel technique or when it developed, I was like, damn, I have just created a new technique, right? But then some guy wrote on YouTube, yeah, you use the swivel technique like George Collias.

I'm like, who is George Collias? What is this real technique? You didn't know who he was? No, fuck, no man. When I started playing drums, I was not into death metal and the fast blast beat stuff. Absolutely not. Wow. So it developed on its own.

So I figured out this makes kind of sense. And then later on, somebody told me that, hey, this has a technique. Sorry, it has a name this technique. I tried it. I can't do it. I just don't think I'm built like that. No, you don't have to do it. You know, it's funny that people write to me like, I want to.

want to learn a swivel technique. So the next sentence I tell them is, are you sure that it's maybe the right technique for you? Because the majority of dramas don't use it. It's just, it worked for me. It can work for you, but don't be so, I don't say crazy about one technique. Maybe it's easier just to use the ankle, you know? Oh, like me, just use the leg and then fucking wait to your legs break and then worry about it then. Push from the hip, from the ass, everything you got, all in. All in until you get, how old are you? I'm old and everything. starting to break. I will be in one month, I will be 30 years old.

You're as old as me then. Well, I'm 31, but... Yeah. You're old as fuck, but you're so... I still look like 12, and I will always look like 12, okay? Okay. I saw you got tattooed the other day. Did you get a Gojera tattoo?

It is inspired by it, but not only. I just like all the water-related animal stuff, deep-say shit, and so I have already an octoberty. And so I was like, okay, I really love this album artwork of Kuchera, and I wanted to have a whale. And then we came up also with the moon rather than a different planet. And then afterwards we figured out that actually the moon is controlling the waves and the water and also the animals on this planet. And that's why it actually fits very well. It's a very good tattoo.

And it's that guy grind designed it. Yes. He used to do merch designs for my first band, Viatrophy. And then he became an incredible tattoo eyes. Correct. And he's still like, he's a super, super nice guy. He's very short like me, which is perfect. But very humble guy down to earth. There's amazing tattoos.

Like, I'm so picky with tattoos. You have no idea. That's why I was like, it took me years to find an artist where I would say, okay, he is the kind of guy I allowed to tattoo. And so I wrote to him and it took like, I think, one and a half years to actually be there. I needed to wait so long for a term in. And yeah, totally worth it, you know, for me, he's the best. You did that, the correct way to plan a tattoo, to find the artist and research them and wait.

And I just basically waited until I was 18. Got as many shit tattoos as I could. And then when I finally realized they were shit, I spent twice as much money fixing all the shit ones. And then now, finally, at 30 years old, I like research. who's going to tattoo me and make sure it's good. But the research now is just who is very good and very fast because I hate the pain and I only have painful places left. Okay.

So when I got my neck done recently, both sides of my neck, I researched this guy who's like a friend of a friend, and now he's a friend of me, this guy, Will Thompson, who I'm actually going to have on the podcast because he's got some fucking insane stories. but he is pretty much, I would say maybe the fastest tattooer in the UK. And it was just like, I know this. Not to have two seconds. My two seconds, yeah, maybe. Crim is annoyed that I told him I'll ring him in two seconds and it was actually two minutes.

But it was, it took an hour and a half to do one side of my neck. That's super quick. Yeah, and it's really good as well. He just fucking hammers it in. but it hurt a lot. And that's why I'm just going for the speed and the precision for anywhere painful. But how you do that? Like you just write to those people and just ask, are you fast?

How many BP and three minutes? No, no, no. No, because that's actually offensive. And in fact, just going for quick people is offensive as well because it's cheaper, obviously. But I find the people who know they're quick, you can like speak to most people. will tell you the first thing. Like if anyone asked me, I'll like,

neck tattoo, I'll be like, yeah, he did it fucking quickly. So that's more like, the word gets around that they're quick. And then they're always

actually more expensive because they know their time is worth more. So it kind of balances out. All right. Fair enough. Whereas, whereas a normal person in the UK is probably about 70 pound an hour.

He's a hundred pound an hour. So it kind of balances out because of the extra money. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. But you're a fool of the two.

You know, I just have, like, what, three to two? So it's nothing. Yeah, I see you getting more and more, though. You're going to get more. I do get more, but definitely not. I think I'm not addicted to it like other people are. So. I just, I wouldn't say I'm addicted because I hate it when people are like,

yo, I'm addicted to ink, bro. But, like, I always just see, like, a little gap on my skin. Yeah. I'm like, that would look sick if I had something in there, like a little whatever. I know that the balance shifts. Like, you look at yourself and then it's like something is off, like, because when you have no the twos, you know, it's symmetrical, makes sense, everything how you look, but then you have one to two there.

You get one and then it's, yeah, you've got to get another one. Yeah, and then it's like, fuck, but then I have to put something here otherwise. It doesn't look that well. I totally understand, you know, because I got the one on the upper arm and I'm ready planning like what I will do next in a way that it's so but I for sure I don't want to have like a completely full sleeve oh that's what I told my mom yeah you do you wait you wait I don't know get it going right this isn't a tattoo a podcast it might be at one point um let's move on to something else about drums um you played session drums for behemoth yes I did would you say

Behamov or behemoth? Behemot. It's a translation thing. What do they say? Behemot. They're Polish. Why they should say it English, behemoth. Well, if they probably say an interview, they will say Behemoth.

Yeah, so the jury's out. Either is fine. How did that come about? Was it wicked? Because the band is fucking incredible. And was it hard? It was fucking hard. It was super wicked.

But I don't regret it. So, how it happened? Well, basically, I just got a message on, was it Facebook? Yeah, it was Facebook. Orion just writes to me, please give me your phone number. I have something to discuss with you. And so in this moment, I was already shooting my pants because somehow, I don't know why, but somehow I felt inside of me like,

okay, this is something serious because why the guy that would never talk with me? Who was this? Orion is the bass player of Behemoth. a hemot. So now I said it American style. Hattig got me. Anyways, so it's kind of odd, right, when

this guy is writing to you that he needs your phone number because what the hell does he want from you? Anyways, so I gave it to him, he calls me and says, like, in his very beautiful English, and when he talks, he's very calm. So he's like, yeah, you know, or drummer in Fairno, he's in the hospital. You know, he basically almost died

because his stomach ripped apart, you know. And we have a show coming up in 10 days. We play Impact Festival. That's a huge open-air festival in Warsaw. Headlining Ramstein, Slayer, Ghost, Corn, and, yeah, Behemot as well. So we would need somebody to help us out. And we were thinking if you can do it. So I was a little bit speechless at that moment.

You have to understand. and I was like, okay, give me a couple of minutes to think about it because it's just too big to... Because he also said that, yeah, but you know, we don't play the songs like on the album, we play around... We want you to learn 14 songs, and you should learn from the last bloodstock video they put on YouTube

because there you see all the intros and the extra stuff we added for the show. So you have to learn it from there. And I was like, okay, I'm going to call. audio in a couple of minutes. And so I put down the phone. Yeah, I don't know what went through my head, but it was on the one hand, like, okay, this is the one chance you will probably never get again.

That's a big thing, but can you do it? Because I knew that I have to push myself way beyond my limits, musically and whatnot, because they hammered is a huge band, okay? Even back then was a huge band. So, you know, I said, hey what, fuck it. I just recorded those slip-knot videos. and it exploded. So I had kind of the mindset,

why not? You know, why shall I say no? I give it a chance. Obviously, they believe in me, so I will try. I called them again. I said, okay, I'm in. And the torture just started from there on, you know, just like hours of hours.

I told you, I usually, like, play two hours intensively, and now it was like six to eight hours a day. And it just fucked me up pretty bad, I must say. but it was no other way in what way did it fuck you up well because you know it's such an intensive music that had to really push hard

to get to the speed in this short period of time and uh in fairness way of choosing the drum beats is more old school compared to my attitude of you know beats yeah and um so I had to get it into my head and that needed a lot of repetition and I felt that my left leg starts to be numb

so somehow the nerves were very pissed off, all the muscles. And, yeah, it was really bad. The thing is, you play so much, he's a great drummer, but you play so much heavier than him. Yeah. So, like, to try and play, like, some of their songs are like $2.80, aren't they? It's ridiculous. I mean, we already played not too many fast songs,

but some of them were pretty fast, and you're right. So I tried to play it in my way, and his drum beats, and it killed me sometimes. times. Also, so you said you moved up to like playing six to eight hours a day. How do you like, if I play, so I play two hours every time I go and practice, which is probably four or five times a week. So if I do double kick stuff though, I'm like an hour. Obviously I'm not very good at it, but I'm like an hour and a half thin and then my feet stop working and I have to do something else.

Sure. How are you doing that for six hours? I don't know. Are you having breaks? Yeah, yeah. Are you eating? Like anything specific? Like extra energy?

No, I was just like a zombie. I woke up early in the morning. I ate a lot of breakfast. I went to the room, started to play like crazy. Literally just ripped off the audio from this video and just cut the songs individually. And then I would just repeat the songs over and over again. Then I would have a break, eat. take a nap and then go back to the room and keep going till I was completely dead.

Then I would go home, eat again, sit down and write the song structure. You know, like, because I'm self-taught, I have no idea about sheet music. So I'm like, blast beat two times, then attention, Tom break after this part. So I would literally write it in such an order just to get it into my head, you know? Were you familiar with the songs? I heard them, but when you play them, it's completely. something else, you know? So I know that people are sometimes

listen to a song in the radio, or they have heard it a couple of times and they can play it, but I need repetition. And behind the drum kit, it's completely something else. Plus, it's a huge ass festival, you're stressed, you know, it's different.

I mean, the videos are out there. You fucking smashed it. Thank you. But this was the moment where I already felt more confident because the first two shows, the first show was, super difficult. My leg didn't work. I was stressed as fuck.

I don't remember. Which mean your leg didn't work? Well, I went on stage, you know, and I started to play, and I kind of felt like somehow my left leg, I lose completely control about it. And so I pushed through this 50 minutes, and then I was limping off the stage because it's, yeah, I just overworked days before. Nerves were pissed off. Muscles were pissed off.

and it's the worst feeling when you go on stage and you make the first hit on the double kicks and it sounds like popcorn. It's like your self-confidence drops under the drum riser and this is a huge drum riser we're talking about, okay? But you know, it took me two shows and a lot of... I needed just some time to go through all the songs

without distress and my brother, he was some sort of bodybuilder back in the day so I was exercising with him like we did some squats and whatnot we tried to strengthen the whole leg again and just to have different muscles to help out those drumming muscles and then it's... Was this after the first show that went badly?

Yeah, the first two shows because I was at that time not in Poland anymore so I would go to Poland we would practice for four days we would play the first show I would stay there a couple of days and then fly with the guys to the next show. Sony Sphere Festival in France with like

another big bands and then I came home and I had some some I think two weeks off or so. See that's interesting you say that about the leg and the squats because if I'm on tour people that listen to the podcast know that I talk about this every fucking episode. But if my legs are being shit

and then I go to the gym and I squat and I have like a pretty decent squatless session, it always fixes it. Yeah, sure. I have no idea what it is. It's like getting into those nerves at the bottom of your back,

in your ass, your hamstrings, and just waking everything up. It wakes everything up and it strengthens all the... Because you use just a couple of specific muscles when you play faster stuff. At least for me, it's like this. I can really have those trigger points

like where all the attention is when I play a lot of double kicks. And I just feel like I need extra support from the muscles around and I can exercise it with like classic things just as squats or you know. Do you do any like massage therapy or anything? After a lot of tours I actually go to a physiotherapist, yeah.

And he's basically destroying me. I went to physiotherapist today actually. How was it? Was it painful? Yeah, it was very painful. I go after every tour to a physio who is also a chiropractor. So after every tour, my pelvis is 100% shifted. So he has to shift that back.

And then my quads, my hip flexors, and one of my hamstrings are always insanely tight as well as my calves. What about you? I have more troubles, not with the legs, but rather with the neck and. like the area around the neck, shoulders and stuff. It's more from the head-banging thing. It really fucks you over. With the legs, it's okay. I usually can get it pretty decent.

Like, I can't get them back in shape with the black roll, with this, you know this thingy? The foam roller? Yeah, exactly. So what do you do with those? Just fucking smash yourself up? Yes, I smash myself up and do some stretching. What, like quads, quads and hamstrings?

Everything. inside, outside, forward, everything. I bring one on every tour, well, I buy one at the start of very tall because then I lose it by the end of the sort. Admittedly, this last tour I just did was the first time I really kept on top of it.

And I think my playing was, it was the last three shows I played a bit shit, but everything else was good. Perfect. So that's the longest I've gone on tour without starting to be shit. You know when you just need a wreck? But there's no rest.

There's no rest. You just have to keep going. You have to just massage yourself with a fucking phone line. Yeah, sure. Like for European tours, I do that. For US, no, because I don't have so much luggage. So I say, fuck it. Normal stretching has to do it as well.

And do you find that you play worse on those? On what? On the US tours? On the US, because you're not rehabbing. No, I just, I find US tours more difficult because the clubs and everything catering is really not on the same levels. Yeah, no way. It's always more work.

I don't know. It just feels more tiring. The distances are longer. The food is kind of worse, even though I try to watch out what I eat. But still, it's not the same. I agree with everything there except the food being worse because... You bet you're from England. Come on, man.

What? What? Just because I like fish and chips. No, no, no, no, no. It's just a very common thing here that everybody says, you know, you guys don't have good food. I don't know if it's true, but the... My food requirements on tour are just give me calories. Like, that's all I care about.

So when I say good, I mean, you can go to Chipotle in America and spend $10 and get like a burrito bowl, which has like brown rice, organic chicken, avocado. and, you know, it's technically fast food, but on paper, it's a lot of calories and a lot of good calories for cheap. Yeah, I understand that, and that's actually the way to do it. Or are you doing the Walmart runs? Like you save up your buyout, and then you just buy in Walmart a couple of things ahead. See, we don't do a bus.

Do you do a bus over there? I'm a luxury bitch. We do buses, yes. But not now we're going to do a bandwagon on the next one. See, that's still a bus, though. Yeah, we don't do that. so it's stoppage you probably eat as much as possible play the show eat a pizza go to bed repeat okay i'm uh yeah if it was on a bus i would do the whole foods not walmart come on mate

i'd go to whole foods i'd stock up the fridge and then whatever yeah but come on walmart has also you have to just look properly then you find pretty decent food i mean it has everything yeah it just takes it a while just like a next level of yeah wonder And obviously expensive, but, you know, there we go. Yeah. So let's actually talk about your full-time band now, because we're sort of getting onto that subject. Septic flesh.

The Greek motherfuckers, yes. They're Greek. You never play in an Austrian band, just other European bands. Yeah, never really in a bigger band that would, let's say, tour internationally. Is there a big Austrian band? Belfigure. Who's the biggest Austrian band? Belfigour.

That's it. That's it. That's it. Didn't they get in trouble for something lately? Belvedore got a little bit of... They're all the time getting trouble. It's not like that they are really aiming for a very clean way of life. You know what I mean?

So it's Belferfer. They're true. Did they just do the... Oh, I don't even want to talk about it. I don't know. Maybe they didn't. I don't know. Anyway, so that's the only, I would say,

metal band in Austria that really is recognized. recognized outside of the Austrian borders. The rest is just smaller bands, the tourists in the neighbor countries, but would not play in the States, for example. So that Martin guy was in Belfergoor, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. A lot of my friends, Martin, and now he's Eugene.

He's like, he's actually a Ukrainian drummer, but he lives in Vienna too. Eugene. Is this the guy, he had the videos ages ago. of him playing with Velfour Do you remember the kid? Who was the kid

and he was like kind of jacked he looked a bit like Arnie actually Yeah that there was a German guy But I don't What was his name

Do you remember his videos Was it not Blasfema? Yeah That was him Yeah but No Eugene is the latest guy Like with Belfacor They're rather

Like to have session drummers Than like full-time drummers You know They're changing quite a lot that blasphema guy did like necrophages play-thrus and stuff yes but i don't know what he's doing now i really want to know because he was fucking great i remember him back in the day well after the podcast we kind of should check out huh maybe we find something check that shit out that martin guy's

pretty good i did a podcast with him didn't you i did like an interview super nice he has like a kick guy he his is more like i watched that before this because i didn't want to really touch on the same things his is very technical mine is more just like I want to get in the mind of crim, you know. I don't want to be like, yeah. No, you don't want to. How shiny are your pedals? You don't want to come in my mind.

It's a pretty madhouse. It's fun. It's sober. You're a sober mind, don't you? Yo, I have all my brain cells. All of them. Except for the headbanging. You've probably got less than me, motherfucker.

That's probably right. You don't, no alcohol, no drugs, no smoking, no anything. just good food and sexy times that's the only thing one one hundred percent that means you're technically straight edge no what is straight edge for you no alcohol that's it i mean i know originally no no alcohol no drugs i know originally it's no alcohol no drugs no promiscuous sex no me also are no that's vegan straight edge originally it was like no promiscuous sex but then i think they just got so bored of like Of course

We've got to give ourselves some fun Of course So I think Because I you know Yeah so then okay Then looks like I'm a straight edge Straight edge X crim X

Yeah You're gonna join fucking Earth crisis Um So Septic Fesh I used to listen to Septic Flesh before you were even in them That album Communion

Me too Is fucking so sick It is It's like for anyone that doesn't know, it's like, I can't even expect, it's kind of like Dimmie Wargear, and that it's very orchestral

and has blast beats. Yeah, but it has the Mediterranean Tetsiki flavor on it. The Tassiki flavor, yeah. I couldn't figure out what it is. But you can tell. No, it has this like Mediterranean, maybe a little bit Middle Eastern style of sounds, you know?

Yeah, it's kind of like a Greek instead of Nile being about Egypt, it's kind of like, you know, it has the Egyptian instrument. It's kind of like a Greek version. Kind of. You can definitely tell that this, their whole music, you know, their whole history, Greek history and stuff is in this band, in the sound of the band. And yeah. Which is cool.

And it's cool that, because Greek mythology is fucking cool. Man, it's so confusing, like. So many. You're sick of it? No, I'm not sick of it. The thing is, like, they all the time talk about all their stories, they're hearing since their childhood. And I'm like, okay, yeah, I heard about this guy,

but what happened with this guy? Like, I have no idea because in Austria they teach you other things. But then they're like, what do you don't know? You have to know, bra, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, but I'm not Greek. It's not my history. Greece is like the birthplace of modern intellect. Listen, this is another thing.

here all the time. Like, no matter what topic we are talking, like, if it's a word, okay, they tell me like, yeah, this is a Greek word or like, Europe. But this is the thing. They're not wrong. No, they are not. I know. You're just sick of it. Well, you know, I just, they don't have to mention it. We could just agree that everything is Greek. And then the Romans came, stole it and made it sometimes better, but in the end, it's still Greek, you know? I love all that shit. I love an old Greek mythology. I love like a Roman fucking fuckfest

Caligula, you know, some fucking It's cool. It's fucking sick. And I think it's cool that there's bands writing about it. Because with death metal or like, you know, extreme metal, it's either you write about something fictional, for the most part,

you write about something fictional, or you write about fucking death. And death is overdone. You've already got cannibal corpse. And that's enough. Like they are doing a good job at this and let all the corpse stuff to them, right? Yeah, and it's like you've got Nile doing obviously about Egypt, and Nile is one of my favorite bands, and then you've got Septic Flesh doing Greece.

Who else is doing anything like that? Is there anyone? I mean, then you got Gojira who do, like, if you took Gojira song titles, not song titles, but like their topics are more like a punk or hardcore band, but then they just make it metal. It's like a climate change death metal band thingy Which is fucking sick as well

Perfect What great band So what How many albums you've done with Septic Flesh One so far Just one Yeah man I just tried in 2015

And we did some touring And then we dropped Like we're doing a new one right now Like we're trying to find some ideas But yeah I just did one Got a problem with that bro No If 2015

then you're writing a new one now. It takes a while, you know. All this orchestra is, because it's real orchestra, which is composed by our guitar player, and you have to imagine write scores for, fucking, what, 70 people? That's fucking crazy.

Respect. What's the deal with the fucking, there's a song on communion? Do you know what I'm going to talk about here? Do you know exactly what I'm going to talk about? No, but I just loved it. He just, like, what the fuck is, this song.

Anyway, so ask me, maybe I have no idea, okay? Because it's pre... Was that offensive? Was that offensive? No, I just wait for it. What's going to happen?

What the fuck is the deal with the song on communion later on, where he starts sounding like David Bowie? I don't know. It's just his style of singing. What's the problem?

No, it's like... Is he supposed to sound like David Bowdo? I think it's fucking sick, but it's so much... much like fucking... Is it Bowie or is it Bowie? It's Bowie, isn't it? I don't know. David Bowie, right? David Bowie, yeah, I don't know.

Bowie, Bowie. I say Bowie, okay? I think it's because we had a guy at school that looked like David Bowie, but we used to call him Bowie, and that's why I'm confused. Probably got influenced by that. Not like in an offensive way.

No, no, but definitely. So, he's the guy who does all the clean vocals, and he's the only guitar player who is actually not with us on tour. So we have a session guitar player but So Tires, he's the main guy who does all the lyrics

and the clean vocals and he's in Greece like he has a day job he doesn't want a tour but still he's a composer and he writes a lot of songs So he writes them he writes some of them

he writes quite a bit yes so he's a very good guitar player but all the lyrics content all you know the stories and everything it's created by his him. And the cool thing is with Septic Flash, you have everything in this band. So you have Seth, who has all the visual aspects of it, because he's a graphic designer. He has studied fine arts.

So all the artwork, the merge, everything is from the band itself. And he's also kind of the mastermind who controls everything when it comes to song structure and somehow melodies. Then you have his brother, Christos, who does all the orchestral stuff. So he, he, He has studied in London, a composition and classical music. So he knows his shit for real. And so he writes all the orchestral stuff. And then you have number three, Sotiris, who writes also a lot of riffs. And he's the guy that makes all the lyrics and things about the stories

and, you know, really thinks about the content of the lyrics. It's not just like whatever, you know. Just drop in a couple or strong words. But no, he really thinks about certain themes and what he wants. wants to talk about. So he has everything in one band, which is pretty cool. And then one of the guys just stays at home? Yeah, this guy. This guy who writes all the lyrics, he stays home. It's okay.

Does he get a cut of tour money or just album money? Album money from what I know. But he has a normal job, you know? He's okay. So you're in the band, so you just get a cut now and you're not like doing it session? No, I'm actually a songwriter myself. Like, even on the, the, last album they're like, you are going to write also ideas. Like, everybody's like writing. Yeah, because you've got two solo albums, haven't you? Three.

Three, sorry. It's okay. I mean, two good ones and one. Fuck off, okay? Anyway. You know what I mean? You got two like serious ones. No, it's still all three series, okay? No, I swear the first one was just like, you

fucked around, and then the second one had proper artwork. And the third one has proper hour. If you say it like this, okay. Anyways, let's talk about... Am I offending you? No, it's okay. Like, legit.

I'm not so easy to offend. I'm going to fucking pull this up right now so I can see. So I can make myself feel less bad. The first one... What's your website? I deleted it, fuck it. So I can tell you.

Same. So did I. I deleted mine. Because no one fucking went on it. I just tell you, first solo album was called Explorer. It was just instrumental. That was right after. Yeah, we go. That's not. a real album, my friend.

And then album two, instrumental doesn't count. Then the second doesn't count as well, because second has only one song with vocals on it. That counts. That's now an album, my friend. Yeah, what the fuck? What is with animals as leaders?

There's not music. There's not a band. That's like, the music that you put in an elevator, but really good. Yeah, but shouldn't talk about Septic Flash rather than my shit? I don't know, it's up to you.

I don't give a shit. I like your solo shit. Thank you. Because you're very rare that you're a drummer that can actually play guitar. And then... No, but you can play enough that your... Then your rhythmic ideas are more like what I would pick and what I would like to listen to.

Yeah, because I'm a drama that just takes a guitar and plays whatever. Maybe guitarists hate it. Do guitarists hate your solo stuff? No, they don't hate it, but I guess they're jealous about the rhythm hand, you know. Maybe the melodies are so, so, but fuck it, I'm going to smash them with my rhythm hand, okay? Show them some downpicking. Hey, you've got so much merchandise for your solo stuff. Well, you know, I'm self, I manage myself, bro.

Do you make enough money from that? Is it good? You get enough? Maybe you'll get some from this. Everyone go check out Crim's solo albums, of which there are three. three albums. Even though I've said that there is only two. Please do. An honest mistake and then I'm trying to justify it, but I'm looking right now.

All three of them have proper artwork. They're all very good. Thank you. Well, you know, it does give me some cash, but definitely also I invest everything. I said there's no label, nothing behind it. It's all me. So if you order, it's going to be cream to shrimp, going to pack this shit, I'm going to send it to you. That's what I do is I just pay my wife.

to pack up my t-shirts. That's why you get married, she gets them wrong anyway, so. No, but yeah, I do it myself. Shout out to you, Katie. She's in the house somewhere. Say hello to her if she steps by. I will, I will.

Did you meet her at a festival once? I can't remember. No, I've never met her, but it would be cool. I always just bump into you at festivals, and it's always fun because you're always really excited. Am I? Yeah, you're always like, if I'm in a bad mood and you're just like bouncing off the walls, doing your running or whatever.

Because I'm a hyperactive piece of shit. Yes, I am. That's nice, though. It's a good way to be. Yes. We could talk about septic flesh, but people could just check it out, can they? Correct. People should check that out, and they should check out your solo stuff.

But I'm more like, I'm more interested in talking about, like, how you got where you are. because it's mainly YouTube, isn't it? You put yourself out there. I did. Then the whole thing started, and then I worked my ass off in the business by just trying to play as good as possible, be respectful to all the people,

and just do a good job, you know? What I forgot to ask you is, did you get paid enough? I don't need to know the figure, but I do need an answer. Did you get paid enough from Bohemoth to, warrant the agony.

Of course. Yeah, good, good, good. But you know what? Like, this, yeah, it doesn't matter. Like, it was such a prestige thing. Like, fuck it. Yeah, I guess so. No, no, no.

They, they, they, was fine. Like, they actually paid more because they knew that it was such a difficult task. They asked me, so. No. Did they say how much? Or did they ask how much? Or did they say, we've got this? They said, this is the cash, more or less, if you're okay with that?

I said, oh, fuck, yeah, I'm okay with that. And then... Shit. Can you tell me how much it was? No. So how many shows was it? I'm going to try and figure it out. It was, I think, six festivals in the summer.

Then it was planned to... Inferno comes back, but his wound was still all the time infected. So what they did was like they had an Asia tour coming up, one month in Asia, including also Australia and New Zealand. and so they made visas for him and for me but it turned out that he still needed more time to recover that's why I was going with them to Asia

and it was one of the best if not the best tour I've ever done because it was so cool it was uh... Where was it? In China we played two shows we played in Nepal we had six days off in Nepal

so we did Oh shit that's cool man we did paragliding in Nepal okay we would wake up up at four in the morning to see the sun going up over the mountains shit like that. Did you go to Everest?

Did you have a look at Everest? No, not the Everest. But we drove like fucking eight hours on the shittiest roads you can't imagine like those you see on National Geographic where it's just I don't want to go anymore. You had me, everything sounded good and then you said eight hours on shit roads and I remembered

every other time I've done that and I'm like no, see a mountain at home, I'll go to Scotland. Yeah, but it was command. It's like it's a one in a lifetime moment. So we would drive there. We would like be at this huge lake and

we would eat some local food and then the best story was they decided to go over this lake and we talk about a huge ass lake and there was not really a motor boat. There was only those fucking pedal boats. Are they called like this? Pedalo. Yes, this shit. So they decided

the whole behemoth gang decided let's go to the other side because there is apparently a very good restaurant. But, so we organized the dude who looked more drunk than sober, and this fucking boat was a square, you know, so like it literally didn't move a centimeter. And then there were like two places to paddle. So who's going to do it? And obviously the fucking drummer, the small Austrian guy, the engine has to do it. So I paddled whole behemoth plus crew with this drunk guy over to the other side for, I don't know, 40 minutes or more. Fuck me. Good workout. Listen, the dude.

dude, he was pretending like the drunk guy. He was doing, of course, he moved his legs, but I could immediately tell that this motherfucker doesn't push anything. He's just moving his legs. Yeah, of course. So, we drove there, we ate, there was like no prices on the menu. I don't know how

we paid, somehow we paid. And then we had to drive back and guess who was peddling back? Yeah, that's your pay, that's how you paid. He paid in pedals. Well, yeah. Paid in pedaling. Like, I peddled those fuckers back and I was hungry again on the other side when I came back.

Because you were pedaling. That reminds me when we went to Africa, we went to Kenya. After we did the show, we did the same thing. We went to Lake Nukuru, which is on like, you know, all these David Attenborough nature programs. It's where the hippos are and everything. And we got on this little fucking kayak with these guys. And then they went around the lake.

and then we went like literally maybe 12 foot away from a family of hippos. Oh shit. It was deadly, right? They kept like, yeah, they kept putting us like closer and closer. And we're all talking about it. We were like, this is by far the most reckless thing we've ever done. And then it was fine, but we got back, whatever, got home, it was cool. It was like incredible wildlife, including the hippos or whatever, got back.

About three weeks after I got back, I read an article, it came off on my feed. Six tourists die on Lake Nukuru as family of hippos goes nuts. Oh shit. And it was like definitely the same hippos. For sure. It's like two weeks later they kill six people. Yep. Hippos are one of the deadliest animals, apparently.

Fucking crazy. It's amazing to see them, but if I'd have known that now, I mean, I was, I was kind of freaking out at the time, but, uh... They just fucking are super aggressive to chase the shit out of you, and the best is they spray their shit all around, like their shit sprinklers. Do you know that? Shit, shit, no, I don't know. I did not know that.

No, they're fucking huge. They're huge, listen. They're standing everywhere, like in the zoo, whatever, in the nature. Just stand there, they just shit, wiggle with their tail. It sprays it everywhere, and this is how they mark the territory. So they're like... Shit sprinklers. You hate hippos.

No, I don't hate it. We're hippos. I don't hate them, but like, come on. Who's throwing around with the shit? You've got hippo beef. You got Bip, Bipo. Beef. You got, ah, I made you laugh.

Right, I need to look at my notes now, because this is when it gets to the point where I'm like, I don't know what I'm fucking doing. You got anything you want to talk about? This is professional, isn't it? Oh, I want to talk about... It's very professional. We sort of touched on it.

Look, people don't want professional. what I figured out is people just want people having a chat, me swearing a little bit, you getting, you know, just being funny and telling people how to be good at the drums. So, other than cycling, do you do any other exercise? Because you're pretty ripped.

Eh, but not like you, come on. Like, when I made you the first time, you were a chicken compared to now. And now I look at your Instagram pictures. It's like, what the fuck happened to this Hulk right there, you know? Yeah, this is peak performance, baby. It's crazy. I just eat a lot

No I'm bored Thank you But I'm just bored And I go to the gym a lot But you are like Shredded lean But I'm sure I spoke to you before And you just say that all you do

Is body weight stuff Yes I do Just body weight I hate gyms Like For me it never really helped Don't offend me But okay

I know that people want like Chims as in I don't know Some people like to exercise In the gym I love it It's therapy You're one of the guys

Yeah, okay. I'm the guy. You're the gym guy. I'm the outside nature guy. I like to go for a run or whatnot, you know? I'm so not that guy. Yeah. I'm a hippie.

That's probably why you're better than me at the drums, because I'm sort of... No, but I do, yeah, body weight exercise. It's not really exercising with weights. What, like push-ups, pull-ups. Yes, some planking, some one-leg squats on a shaky seat. surface. Ooh, that's good.

Chumps, sprints for the legs, all kinds of combinations. What's the deal with the one leg squats? Why have you implemented those? Do you mean on like one of those boards that are like the wobble board? Or you just do it in your bed and the mattress. Like, is it mattress? Matras, what is it called? Mattress, yeah.

Mattress. What, so is that just for your ankle stabilizer muscles and stuff? For all the tiny asshole muscles that you need? Yes, because... One leg squat. That's a fucking good idea. Because if you do... Yeah, I don't have weights on me,

so it's... You know, I all the time hold my body weight with my legs anyways the whole day when I walk around. So in order to have a progress in muscle mass, I'm just doing everything with one foot. And then it's a different story.

And when there's a wobbly surface, you stand on, yep, it's not so easy. Or another cool thing is, Like you just take this huge yoga balls, you know, the ones you have also in the office. Yeah. Yeah. And you just stand on this one like in the downhill position, like the downhill skiers.

Stay there for one minute like that. And you're going to shake like a motherfucker. And then 30 seconds, you stand up, try to balance, be a bit loose again, and then one minute again. Stay in this position. You're going to die. I tell you. And it's just your body weight. That's fucking clever.

You're a clever little man, aren't you? Well, I was eight years in sports school, though, and I actually had even a fucking fitness trainer education. Can you believe it? Did you? Are you a qualified PT? I am, but I forgot everything, so it doesn't matter. It doesn't count anymore.

Fucking no one knows anything anyway. Exactly, but I actually did it with the school together, so I have the certificate. Eight years. I thought about doing that in my spare time just for something to do, and then I thought about being someone else's, like, working in someone else's gym, and I was like, fuck, no, I don't want to do that. No, you don't want to do that.

Do podcasts. Exactly. Go to gym myself, eat food. Yes, exactly. I totally agree. So I never teach anyone. We did it because it was, you know, we had the opportunity to do it, more or less for free. So.

But yeah, I always try to come up with some kind of strange exercises that includes some balance stuff. But in the end, it's just your body weight. And by holding it for a couple of minutes or that's where it becomes very difficult. That's interesting. Yes, and playing drums, man. This is a good exercise too. A workout. I mean, yeah.

I mean, your kind of... is definitely a good workout. Yeah, but it's just from my legs, but what about the upper part of the body? I don't think it's a good work. You know, when people are like, your gym and it's like a photo of a gym, and then they say, my gym,

and it's a photo of a drum kit. That's not quite correct. Like, you could do... Well, you have fat drummer. too so I'm wondering like how is it possible you look at fucking Nick Barker exactly Nick Barker from Demi Borgia was so fast and he was so fucking fat sorry Nick if you're listening I love this guy but you're completely correct you know like everybody asked themselves like how is this possible a dude with such a body mass playing this horrendous speeds and you know but

it was I feel like maybe it's the thing where this is my theory on it is like maybe Because if they've been like fat for a while, overweight, let's say overweight, fat sounds horrible. If they've been like overweight for a while, then their ankles are going to have some fucking serious muscles in there. From just carrying around. Come on. Surely, if you're like, if you weigh 300 pounds and you walk to the shops, you're going to have, that's a workout for your ankles. We've all got the same ankle muscles, but I'm not carrying 300 pounds on mine. Yes, sure.

but it's not only like they're limiting themselves with their mass like bodybuilders look if a bodybuilder if you ask him to do a sprint or some some specific movements he probably won't be able because his own mass muscle mass is in the way you know I don't believe that either you seen that Bradley martin guy he's like a instagram guy yeah he does all the backflips and shit but it's the only guy that i've ever seen who does that yeah he like jumped out of a swimming pool with no support jumps out of a swimming pool onto the side. Have you seen that video? Yeah, I know.

This guy is phenomenal. Yeah, okay. He's a legend. And he's fucking jacked. Huge. Like, huge, okay? Like, I want to fuck him. Not actually, but if I was that way inclined, he would be number one.

Yeah, he is definitely, you're right, actually. But that's the only guy I know who is all the other bodybuilders. It can be done. It can be, but this guy was a. a ninja before if you see. Oh, I didn't know that. Like all his skills, he looked tiny, man. He know, he was a toothpick.

He did all those fucking somersaults and whatnot. Ninja kicks. And then he got ripped and he still does ninja kicks. But, yeah. Anyways. Interesting. I use, I do body weight. That's what I have always with me and I can do it everywhere.

And yeah. You know what's cool about this podcast, Krim? I don't know if you're having fun, but I'm having fun. Well, I have fun, yes, sure. Out of everyone that I've interviewed so far, obviously we know each other, but I probably know you the least. But we've probably got the most in common. Tattos, fitness, you know, we're fucking death metal, we're hanging out.

We're endorsed by Tama and Minal. Oh, yeah, so that's actually next on my list. Thank you. Tama, Minal. What sticks you're playing? Pro Mok. I'm joking. I'm joking. You know what?

People will fucking tag Promark in this. I said something about pasty, pasty, however you say it, on the last podcast. And then loads of people tagged them in it. Oh, oh. You know, just whatever. I just do, I make that noise for anyone that doesn't play the same shit as me.

Promark's fine. Evan's? No, I actually don't have a, A real deal with... What? You're the second person I've had on that doesn't have a skin indoorsman. Well, you know what? You know what?

Honestly... Don't say you don't want, need one. They cost money. They do cost money, but I'm just sick of changing them too many times. For what? Like, I'm not playing a fucking jazz concert. They're going to be compressed like a motherfucker. I put tape on there.

And for practice reasons, I don't give a shit if they're new or not. Yeah, but so for a tour, you got... buy them though. I buy one set and it lasts me the whole fucking tour honestly. Yeah,

but what about not buying the one set and then still last new old tour? Yeah, but I don't know. I sell them

they use skins like put signatures on and that's how I get the money back. I don't know. You know what? So far I'm too, I was too lazy

to pay attention to that. I'm serious. Like I probably should but right now I'm just trying out the Remo skins. I don't have an endorsement, but I like the old school sound.

Yeah. The thing, Remo, I mean, skins are fucking, let's be honest, skins are skins. And every skin company has one thing that I like that another one doesn't. Yes, that's true. Like, even like Aquarian, the Super Kick 2 is fantastic.

Do you really like it? I always hated this one. What? Yes. Always want to head it. Oh, this is bad for your triggers. No, no, no, no, no. I always had this. Whenever we had those fucking skins on some kick, I was like,

what is this weird feeling? It's like, even if you tuned them down, they were like super hard. Like there was, I don't know, strange rebound. Okay.

They just sound, they sound really good recorded when it's just finger tight because it's so thick. It's super thick. Yeah, I like it anyway. Yeah,

but you know, I've always played the event, so I was like, I'm going to try out something else. Maybe I will change again. Who knows? So you've got Tamer, obviously the fucking,

the greatest. Yes, I got I was thinking about this earlier. They're just the best drums and they've always been the best. How much? How much did they pay you? Yeah.

You know what this? Listen, you know what's funny? Like, I was always like, fuck, I hate Tama, you know, back in the days like, Lazzool. Yes, listen. You're not allowed to say this. You'll be fired from the roster. No, listen to this. I said, as always it, I was a Joey Joy, Joryson guy.

and everybody knows what he was playing, or is still playing. And before that, I was... Orange County. Exactly. I wanted to have an Orange County drum kit, but it was, like, impossible to get. So, then he switched to Pearl. I got a Pearl kit. And, uh, I don't know.

Like, I gave Tom a chance, actually, later on and just played on them. Pearl is fucking dog shit. Silence. I'm not fucking... I can't get on board. In fact, I did used to have a pearl kit when I was growing up. You know what? Pearl Export.

Everyone had a Pearl Export. You know what I have at home? And what are my first YouTube videos? Pearl Export. Cobalt fade. Yeah. They were... Oh, that...

Yeah, of course you had Cobalt fade with the black hardware. Oh, yes, bitch. That's the Joey Jorderson. No, it's not. It was black. Didn't he have that? No. It's the color...

Joey Jorderson had his fucking Orange County in. One of them. Well, he had a couple of them. I'm right though, aren't I? It was purple and black and black hardware. Because that kit was sick on the disaster pieces DVD. Oh, let's not go there because it's one of the best live DVDs ever made. You know what, Krem?

I'm going to fucking watch that tonight because I haven't watched it in ages. Man, it's genius. Everything. The sound, like you can, this and the Gochiora one, the Link Alive, those are my favorite live DVDs. I haven't, oh no, I have seen The Link Alive. The Link Alive is incredible. I just wish it had more songs after the link, which obviously it doesn't because the link was only out then.

But anyways, so I gave Toma a chance and I was like, fuck yeah, man, for the money, for the look, for the sound, this is the best you can get. And I'm right. And you're right too, right? And the logo doesn't suck like Pearl. It's not called Pearl. Pearl is a fucking terrible name. The, all of the good bands in the 80s played Tamer.

How could you not like it? Yes, but you know what? Then at one point, everyone had a fucking pearl drum kit. And now people are switching back to Tamer and all the distribution guys don't have tamas. Like, you know, you can find a pearl drum kit in like, fucking in Brazil in the jungle.

You find a pearl kit, but never a Tamer. I don't know why. Yeah, you're right. You are correct. So, like, I ask for a tamer. You know, you can count it on your fingers how many tamas I get. But anyways, we're at Tamer, buddies.

So yeah. Did you get, this is the thing I was talking about yesterday, actually, because I was in a drum shop. Shout out PMT, Nottingham, because I was in there yesterday. And the two guys at work there listened to the podcast, and it was weird, but cool. I nearly bought an Orange County snare because they had one in there. It was like 200 pounds. I was like, fuck me.

It was like the Abe Cunningham spec. Oh, I just wanted to say, is it the Deftone style? Yeah, it was a 14 by 6, 15 plies. with holes in it, which is the same as around the fur and white pony. Yeah, that everybody wants. So I should have bought it, and in the end I put it on my Instagram, and someone on my Instagram phoned up today, apparently, and bought it, so, you know, I should get commission.

But I was in there, and now I've completely fucking forgotten why I was talking about, Krim. We talked about Tama? Okay, yeah, we're talking, right, I'm back on track. We're talking about Tama. Did you get sent an Abe Cunningham Tammar at one point? Did I make that up? Fuck, yeah. I had one at home.

Do you believe it or not? What happened? Did they take it off you? Wait a second. It was like this. I wanted to have one. I asked the Taama guys in Germany that said, like, we don't have it now.

We'll get it later, maybe again. So I asked a friend who was working in a music store in Vienna because they had it. I borrowed it for recording my solo album, to be honest. And so I had it home. Which one? Which solo album? the last one getanken carousel

it's called but wow I'll be fucking pronouncing that probably yeah it's a difficult word anyways so I'm like fully excited

you know this fucking holy grail of a snare I took it to the recording session and we tried it out and it did not sound so nice

as we thought under the mic so it was strange like it sounded killer in the room but whenever we put the mic there it did not do

what we wanted it to do so I'm trying to figure out, they disappeared. They just made a couple of them. Like, I gave it back to the guy in the music store. Obviously, it was not mine. We used the difference there in the end.

And then the minel guys wrote to me, yeah, we found one for you. And I'm like, sorry, I don't want to have it. What? Yeah. I kind of want one. Because on paper, it's 2 mil bell brass. I know.

I know. It's going to be lighter than my normal whale brass, which is too heavy to carry. and then it's got vents in it which obviously will make it lighter but also louder that's probably why it didn't sound that good did you try micing the vent yeah of course we tried everything didn't work no i don't know it's like some snares they they need a specific distance for the mic to actually get the full volume and this snare it was strange like even if we put the mic further away as we would usually do it was still not this umph you know we want it. And then I put the Charlie Bonanza snare and it was like killing it instantly.

What's the spec on that snare? That's a fucking 14 by six and a half steel snare. It's I think one point, something one point blah blah blah thickness. And it's just a standard steel snare. And it's actually pretty affordable. I think goes in the store for 500 euro for made in Japan, signature line and the thing is killer. It's killer.

Is that what you use? That's your main snare? Actually, all the time, returned it is. Yeah, that's my main snare. I don't need fancy fancy. Bellbras, like you. It's actually more annoying than it's worth because I broke all the lugs on it. I heard. I changed all the lugs.

I heard about this. And you broke the hoop. And I broke the hoop, so I changed all the hoops. I died cut hoop. Now, I changed it for stainless steel lugs and I changed it for actual bell brass hoops and now it weighs 18 kilos and I don't want to take it anywhere because it's so heavy. Yeah. And also the bell brass bottom hoop makes it 15 inches big and the Tama Road Pro snare stands have a

little fucking stupid little screw on the bottom of it which means you can't have a 15 inch snare on it without the screw poking into the bottom head and then breaking it. So actually, fuck my bell brass. It's the best sounding snare of all time. It's a pain in my ass. For traveling, for sure. For sure. Yeah, and what I need to do is to put just a normal

dial-dice hoop on the bottom, which is now just going to make it look fucking weird. Yeah, like it doesn't look that nice anymore, right? Yeah. Or buy a DW snare stand for 150 quid. Which you have to carry with yourself all the time around as well. Yeah, which... Yeah, this is fucking stupid.

I'm getting annoyed just talking about it. I should have just bought that Orange County snare. Yeah, but you know, I'm not the collector of snares. So you're not. I see that you don't have to. I mean, the thing is, if I had the Orange County, I would have the three snare sounds that I care about. I would have a bell brass for like,

Raged Against the Machine, Nirvana, Metallica. I would have a black beauty for like old school, just rocking stuff. Champornham style. Yeah. And then I would have the new metal sound. Yeah, I would be all three. I know, I would go more for the, I always wanted to know what he used on the Iowa album, Joey.

I think it was even a 12 inch also like, no, not 12 inch. Or maybe it was a maple 12 inch snare. There's like some rumors on forums, but nobody knows for real. I love this. See, that's the thing. The deftones thing started as rumors and then his drum tech actually posted the photos of what they used. I wonder if that's flowing around for Joey. No, believe me.

It's not, you've looked for it. Of course I've looked for all the Iowa setup. There must be photos. No, I've never seen anything from the recording session. Like, no idea. Someone said he had some grudge kick drums and like a 12-inch maple snare, but I've never seen any pictures that confirms that. I've seen videos from the first recording,

the self-titled and that was the Orange County and that's for sure it was a steel snare but I want the Iowa sound you know I want to know what the fuck he used there specifically just so you know who recorded it was what was his name

who did the first one the crazy guy boss Robinson this motherfucker did it also this motherfucker it's oh yeah there was the one was it sound city which was the one that they did in the haunted house no there was sound city in The Haunted House was with Rick Rubin, the third one. The third one, which actually is kind of sick as well.

I do quite a lot of that one. Super sick, but I don't like the sound. It's too much high. Yeah, the production is a bit fucking weird. Yes, but so yeah, snare-wise, I have, I just got again the G. Maple, the 13-inch one. I want to give it a try again. And, yeah, the steel snare because I just love the fact that it really works for me

in every situation all the time. it is affordable so and it's not so heavy like the bell brass and yeah I always loved steel because nobody complains about the ringiness

of steel yeah steel is like because it's cheap it gets a bad rep but like the Chad Smith Pearl funnily enough the Pearl funnily enough the Pearl

Chad Smithsner sounds fucking sick and you know which one also Ian Pace bro the EMPA's signature yeah exactly it's always steel so I'm like

fuck it I'm a steel guy okay I'm an iron I know the first maybe the first two silosis records are the Chad Smith snare, which is like a fucking £100 snare. Yeah.

Sometimes the drum just sounds better. Anyways, it's cool that everybody has a different taste, so I stick with this and, yeah. I love the way that you're sort of moving this podcast along. I'm not really doing it. We finish your bit and you're like, anyway, like next. You've got something to be, mate.

You got somewhere to be? I can tell you more about snedro. but honestly there's not much more to talk about. No, I like it. So then you play minel as well, obviously, and minel are the best, and there's no fucking question of that at all. What's your set up currently?

You like the bright stuff like me? Sure, I'm not a chess drummer, so I like the bright stuff. Do you know what I hate? And I love the symbols, but I hate all these metal drummers playing the extra dry stuff because you go and see them live

and the symbols are the extra dry stuff is quite quiet so the sound guy has to push the overheads to make the symbols cut through and then you get more drums in the overheads and then the drums are out phase that is what I dislike and also sometimes I had once I saw a drummer using the dry china

like the dark one and I thought all the time it was cracked but it was not because he just hits it too hard for the symbol and that's why it sounded kind of funky and like cracked. They're fantastic symbols to record with, but I think live, you just, people,

people like, just do it for the look. And actually, the sound in a live setting isn't ideal. Yeah, I was never so into experimenting with the symbols

so much. I prefer, like, something very standard. I really was a big fan of the sound cost of custom ones, which they don't make more. So was I,

which they are IP. Yes. Although I did warp, I warped, a couple of those. The 18, the 18, uh, I actually discovered a fault in the lading pattern on the 18 medium crash because I kept

warping them. I kept warping them and they were like, what the fuck? And I'd like warp like eight of them. And then eventually it came back and they said, yeah, we, the lading pattern we had on the top was different to the bottom for sound wise. But because of that, it made it like,

uh-huh. If you hit it hard enough, it would warp. Okay. Interesting. I always cracked them, but I never was bending them. Oh. Derek Roddy, Thomas Lang, nobody else that used that symbol warped it other than fat old me.

Only you. You're the only me. So what's you set up now? The soundcaster custom China, the 18, was incredible. I know you used to play that and so did I. I still have one. They're rare. I think maybe I might have one in America, actually.

I had the 18 inch and the 20 inch because I like big ass chinas. I never got to play the 20, but I'm really trying at the moment to make mine all make me a signature 19 inch China. Because they don't make any 19s anymore. The 20 is too big for my setup because it covers my floor tom and an 18 is slightly too small. So I want a 19 And then I want it to be made out of the pure alloy Because that shit sounds incredible So

Yes, correct It's going to be cheap Just fucking make it And then stick my name on it They should anyways make another china Because they have only an 18 inch From the pure alloy, right? Yeah, give me a 19

And then for me they can make a 20 But I take the 19 too Especially if it has your name on it I will gladly play it And then what we do will sandblast it so all these motherfuckers that like a gimmick can get it. Or do you know how like

the the Braun Daleer ride? It's like MB8 but then they sound sandblast it so it looks sick and doesn't look budget. Yo, I have an MBA8 still, okay come on. I have an MB8

heavy ride and I love it. That's the homoosome ride symbol. I'm sure they sound the what the what? From decapitated, the homoom thing. Oh! That's that simple. That's a 20-inch heavy-right MB8. It's a great song. Yeah, I'm not saying they're bad symbols, but they just, they look weird.

Yeah, I do, but fuck it. It's the sound. You know, actually, I just bought recently. You're such a professional. I just care about what shit looks like, right? I don't care what it sounds. It needs to sound and look good. Yeah, but if it's shiny and it kind of is not loud.

No, it's not like this. because with the crashes, I really am picky with the crashes, for example. And I like traditional sounds. I'm talking about a crash symbol that works, like, if you play it quiet, but it has this nice dynamic into it. So with thick symbols, I have the feeling

like I smash them, and then it's just loud. There's nothing else. Either loud or super loud. So what's your crash set up? Medium thin, Vison's brilliant crashes. what sizes, because I play the 19 of that and I've never cracked one. Exactly.

I have the 19 inch as well and I only cracked them when it's really cold on tour and it's back and forward. Maybe I've cracked one and it's because it's been in the trailer and in the fucking sub-heat. Yep. But I love the symbol, especially the 19-inch, the crash one,

and I have a 17-inch as well. So great, great symbols. I kind of play the 19 and the, They don't make a 20 in the medium thin, so I play a 19 and then I play a 20 medium. But the 19 medium thin, people think, here's a little PSA, public service announcement for the listeners. People think that heavier symbol is going to crack less, but that is incorrect. It's the opposite. It's the opposite.

Heavier symbol is more brittle, so it's more likely to crack, whereas a thinner symbol has way more flex to it. Correcto. Correct. Yeah, yeah. You completely, we share again something. you know we have again something in common fucking bros man yo

fucking bros so what are we done and you play pro mark sticks whatever 5b 2b over 2b what the fuck is that we talk about it's thicker than a 2b and longer than a 2b

it's the 400 so it's like a vickfurf rock which is what I play I don't know it's thicker and longer than a 2b yeah so that's what it is with tape on it that's what she said

it's been a while it's been a while since one of those jokes came out sorry about that everyone perfect right now yeah was it someone will be annoyed by that okay I'm gonna start wrapping this up because we're fucking we're well into this

this is bigger than I thought I want your top five favorite drummers and your top five favorite bands fuck off I don't have top five I told you this earlier yeah okay so I just say random names, okay? Which dramas I like, no matter.

Yeah, but that has to be five, and they are the five that you like the most. That's the rules of it. That's how we fucking do this. Okay, doesn't matter. I just say, Mario Dublante, Eliy Gersen, Chris Coleman, and I would say Ian Pace

because everybody says, John Bonham, Ian Pace. John Bonham's fucking way better. That's why everyone says him. But I love Ian Pace too. Come on. That's cool. Yeah, In Pace's not a bad drummer,

but the reason that everyone says John Bonham is because he changed the fucking game. Yes, of course, man, but come on. So the first two that you mentioned, Mario, Elo. If I was making a list of metal drummers in the world right now who are at the top, who are the top.

It would be Mario, Eloy, you, and Alex Ruedinger. Yes. But not me, come on, man. Yeah, you're in the fucking club, boy. I'll rush you wouldn't be on the podcast. No damn, boy. You're in the club.

You're in the fucking club. Yeah, but where is my club sign? I don't have it. You're going to send it? I'll make it. When I get the other two on a podcast, I don't know either of them. I do kind of, we follow each other on Instagram,

but that's like it. So right then. Maybe they'll go on it now that they see you or you're on it. And they'll be like, hang on. It's not just punk and harkle bands. We get some fucking mess. in there. Okay. So now I need your top five favorite bands.

Fuck off. Again, I don't have... Don't do five really quick ones this time. Just give me one at a time. And then I'll let you go and fucking have a nap. No, I'm going to the show. I'm going to see Bleed from Within and there's a little dying, okay? Oh. I like Bleed from Within.

Yes, they're my buddies and that's why I go. That's the reason. Yeah, lovely guys. Yeah. Lovely guys. Kind of sucks that they took that tour. But it's a big one for them. I get it. I get while they've done it. But you wanted to have some band names, do you?

Right? I love the way that you don't want to get involved in anything that I'm trying to get you involved with. You just told me you want to finish the shit. I'm about as I lay dying and you want to do the real part. Come on, give me the fucking real part. Then we won't do it. I'll get told off if I say anything anyway. Anyway, it's a shame belief we've been into it at all.

Okay. Can we go back? Enough rage? We can go back, yes. Okay. So I must say, of course, Slipnont because they just shaped me from the beginning until now. I mean, the earlier stuff for sure. And Gojira, of course, as well, I have to mention. Just genius, whatever they do. Yeah. Agreed. Who else?

Maybe something which is not so related to metal, but which I really, really enjoy listening over and over again. again, lepros? Just awesome. Nice. I've listened to them a little bit. What? Every time I've enjoyed it and then I just forget to listen to them again.

You have to listen right after, you know? Well, I'm going to watch, I'm going to play the drums, actually, and then I'm going to watch disaster piece, and then maybe I'll listen to Lepros. Okay. You can listen. I mean, Lepris is the shit, you know? Hey, I'll listen to Lepris on the way to the studio. Good boy.

Good boy. Oh, you give me three. I need two more, and then you can have a nap. Okay, no, no nap. Anyways. Okay, again, something without metal. Shadeh, the queen. Ooh.

Just never gets out. Yeah, like childhood music, okay? And I always come back to it. It's perfect. This woman is genius. Yeah, big up. Yeah. And...

One more, make it count, because you can't listen to any other music for the rest of your life. Fuck. Oh shit. Okay, then I say something, again, something very weird. Do you know a guy called Pandaretsky?

You know who that is? Okay, that's not metal. How do you spell this? Fuck off is a Polish name. It's Pandaretsky. So he's... Yeah, I know, but it probably has like 11 Zs in it and a fucking doubling at the beginning.

Yeah, no offense to any Polish people listening. you know this guy is it's actually not a band he's a composer like classical music but very fucked up stuff and he's still alive and he does really kind of modern music and i slowly start to get used to it and i really really enjoy it because it's like the death metal and black metal of classical music that sounds right up my street but spell it so everyone else can listen to it and i can listen to it i cannot spell it i'm very bad say it again then and i'll try and fucking Penderetsky. Oh, that doesn't sound that bad.

It's probably only got four Ws in it. Pandaretsky. Right. That's it. You got anything you want to say? Fuck off. That'll do. No, like, first of all, thank you, man, for inviting me.

It was a real pleasure. Thanks for coming. That flew by. This is like an hour of, an hour 30. Oh, what? Yeah. I'm surprised my laptop is not full yet. The heart drives doesn't have much space.

Oh, please don't. Yeah, okay. So let's just, we're going to say bye now, and then you're going to stay on the line, and I'm going to explain how you send me your file. Okay. Okay. Thanks, mate.

Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.