The Downbeat - Kevin Kaine - Knocked Loose

Episode Date: February 21, 2022

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this which I'm sure you are then I'm probably in America right now on tour with Under Oath. I'm not playing for Under Oath. Aaron Gillespie's playing for Under Oath.

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aka the Candy Cane, aka Packson, from Knocked Loose. I caught up with him in the lovely Glasgow in this room right now that I'm speaking to you from where they paid a fucking insane show. Knock loose, terror, static dress. It was fucking amazing. Yeah, and we just sort of had an impromptu. The first maybe 15 minutes of it, okay, I'm going to tell you, be honest with you. The first maybe 15 minutes, we initially were going to have like a dim sum eating competition and we were both so hungry that it's two men.

In a room, desperate to eat the food in front of them, but also trying to have a chat who haven't seen each other in ages. So I'll be honest with the first 10 minutes, probably a bit shit. Then the wheel starts turning. We start talking about more interesting stuff. I was so hungry and soper. My brain wasn't working. I forgot to ask him about his candle company.

My Oldham Candlecoe, check them out. And I sort of asked about the new EP, which is fucking amazing. tearing the fabric of life other than that just enjoy it if you don't enjoy it then just tell me you don't enjoy it and I'll figure it out

it is Paxon from Knockloose the drummer of Notloose on the Downbeat podcast I'm so so hungry basically we had a little we had a little Twitter exchange

didn't we? Yeah about your exact tweet let's get the exact tweet up. It's kind of like a... I'm going to call it a bonus episode because a lot of it will be us eating.

Yeah, I think so. Because I'm hungry. There's a lot here. Pack some from Knocked Loose. That's who this is, by the way. Kevin. Is it Kevin? I don't even know your...

Yes, yeah, yeah. My government name. Your government name. How many dumplings do you think you could crush in one sitting? Like, for real. No flex answers. I'm confident I could down 40 slash 50. and call it a night.

I said about 25. Okay. You said you don't want to do 50 because you've got to play a show later today. Yes, correct. 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 27, 37, 30, 34, 34, 38, plus some bits. Yeah, the freebies you got for, So it should be, I mean, I said I could do 25. So I'm going to be maxed out.

But this is half of what you thought you could do. This, I'm saying 40 to 50, that is my meal for the day. That is absolutely, I haven't eaten breakfast lunch. This is my final last supper. Okay. And it would hurt. It wouldn't be fun. So we're going to have a nice, a nice.

What are you going to start with? What we've got? I'm going to set the scene for the audio people. Well, what blows me away is all the colors, the greens, the purples. I got to try your spinach guys, I think. What are you doing in Glasgow? We're playing a show at the University of Scotland this evening. You have the University of Glasgow.

There's more than one in Scotland. Oh, really? Oh, well. Come on. Sorry. um Scottish people get really annoyed if you say stuff like that.

Just, just tell Brian not to say that on stage. Got it. We've got the added bonus of this being live on Twitch.com TV slash Reynolds. Yeah. So there might actually be some people

who don't know you're playing that will go. Oh, cool. But for the majority of people are hearing is after the fact, they will know if there are some sort of horrific accident of the show,

they'll already know about it. Yeah. But we are yet to know. that that could happen. The mystery of the evening is... It might involve me. Well, I hope not. People could be listening to this posthumously.

What does that mean? It means, you know, when someone like dies, and then they're in a movie. Oh, so they get a posthumous Oscar. Pete Fledger. I hope this is that. The final app. Unless, do you have any, like, do you do pre-recorded?

Send them out later. We can, we can pump episodes out for the next couple years. of your backlog. We need a voice, like a good voice actor. Just pretend to be me. I basically want to do a two-pack. Yeah, right. What did they do?

The projection or something? I just mean not really die. Oh. Just like, I'll, I'll be like, what horrible tragedy. He died and I'm actually on an island. Yeah.

Somewhere. Soaking up the sun. Anyway, we didn't get any very far with that conversation. Who's the tour with? How's it been? How many dates she had? We've had... Or it's in one sentence.

We've had three. We're with Terran's static dress and local openers. It's been great. Three more. Two more. Four, we've had four shows. We have three left. What was the...

That's a short tour. Yeah, seven days. What happened? What happened? Did it have a Euro bit and then... We had a Euro bit. And... COVID.

Yes. So, UK said, hey, we'll still have you. And we said, sure, we're on the way. Nice. Yeah. We wanted to reconnect, you know, it's been long enough. We fucked up because the Beartooth Tour was one of those tours that goes Europe, UK, Europe. Okay.

So with your one, you can easily just fuck off the European bit. But with this one, it was like, you just can't do it. Yeah, that's, don't they normally, because you're not going to go back to the UK. Do you? It's like, yeah, you are going to go UK, Europe. or sorry, Europe, UK, Europe again, you could probably just get rid of it because you guys just pulled the whole thing, right?

I mean, it wasn't honest, yeah. Word, yeah, that makes sense. But I think, because it was like two European shows and then four UK shows and then whatever, I think it was just too hard. Okay. But you got lucky. Yeah.

Show number one, where was it? London. Electric Ballroom. What a nice venue. Yeah, it was cool. The fucking footage looked crazy. Yeah, I, I, thought it was great. And it was the first time we, we've never, like, traveled with a sound guy over here.

And we met this guy, Jay, and he crushed it. And we just got really lucky with that. What do you mean you just met? He, Vitala was like, uh, hey, we hired a sound guy for terror. He's going to be on the bus. Do you want to tag team? And we said, yeah, sure. I think it's about time, you know? You were coming over initially to do electric ballroom with no sound guy. In my mind, yes. No offense to the in-house guy. But I'm sure. it was discussed and agreed upon before we were coming over, but I just play drums,

you know me. I'm thinking, oh, cool. You don't know. You're the fucking puppet, who's, you and Bri. You and Bri are puppet masters. I think at this point, it's,

we all work on a lot of stuff together, which is nice. I thought you were like the fucking... I tried. I tried, man. For a long time, I had the vision of, oh, I'm going to be manager, drummer guy.

Yeah, that's what I remember. Yeah, but very quickly I learned we would need somebody that knows what they're doing because it was growing quickly and I was really, really dropping the ball on a lot of things. Even booking flights, I'm calling Jake Round going help. How do I do this? You know what I mean? Shit. And then so you got Vitalo?

We signed on with Biggie and Vitalo. And then Vitalo ended up switching to 5B, I guess within the last year or so. Shout out 5B. Yeah. If I'd be responsible for the downbeat now, so. Oh, cool. If you're asking. Let's do another little dim, some.

That's a nice little. I still want to go London, whatever your other shows were. Yeah. Talk about that. But what are you going for? Set the scene, please, for the audio people. I've got three I haven't tried yet, and I don't know what these are. The Shumai, right?

Is that shrimp? Yeah, well, it could be anything, couldn't it? Really? I thought Shumai was the shrimp voice. I just, I ordered as much. much stuff as I could. It looks like it. The purple guys are the mystery.

Okay, you're all going to do a shoe mark. I'm going to do a purple guy. Should we both do purple guys? I'm just going to quickly test your audio. Just as you're talking. Yeah, check, check, check, hey. I'm going to turn you up. Ooh.

And I'm going to get you when you're eating, when you're talking, not eating to bump it up right to your face. What is it? Is it pork or is it shrimp? There's got to be shrimp. Got a shrimpy taste to it? Mm-hmm. Good?

Out of ten? It's really nice. What's the... Out of ten? I'd give it an eight. I can hear those mouth noises. Really in HD. Do we like that?

I'm going in on a purple. Okay. I got to know. You coming in? Coming in. I feel like there's a... I mean, it's great. Mm-hmm.

Mm. What is it, though? I went down the restaurant, and I just ordered as much stuff as possible. So I don't really know. what I got. I know that those are shrimp and spinach, the green ones.

It's got to be chicken and vegetable or something. You reckon? I'm a flexitarian technically. So I try and eat less meat. So I haven't eaten meat for like two weeks in preparation for this. Oh, really? Wow.

So I can... Well, welcome back. Guilt-free murder. Yeah. How is it? I'm pretty guilty, if I'm honest. Um, what show was after London? No, hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

Best London show you've ever done. Oh, that's tough. It feels like it because it's been so long. You know what I mean? But there's a special place in my heart for, um, underworld. First time over here with counterparts in, uh, 2016. I think I went to that show. Did we play down the street?

Yes, uh, with Amity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What venue was that? if you remember. Maybe electric war. Really? That would have been cool. How the turntables have...

Turntable? Yeah. I actually can't remember. I can't remember anything about that at all. Maybe it was... Yeah, you guys came. Because we... I remember, we were hanging out outside the bus after the show.

You can still talk. Ignore... Oh, sure, sure. And I feel bad about it now, but we were hanging out outside of the bus. It was late. Nowhere was open. We were just drinking like bus beers or something.

And I guess someone lived above the loading door of the venue and like opened his window and was like, I'm trying to fucking sleep. And there's 15 of us down there like, sorry. And then Neil was yelling at him or something. At the underworld. Yes. I was going to say, a living above electric ballroom. I don't think that. No, no, no.

It was, you know, the bus will park around the corner. And there was some dude. Yeah, he raised his window. I was probably three in the morning where I just yapping away. So you're mixing it. I'm just making sure that your audio is coming through and I'm actually taking out some of the mouth noises.

Ah, cool. I wasn't even going to do this live on Twitch, so I'm going to edit some of the shit bits out like that. But these people could just get a little freebie. Sure, sure. It took a lot of fucking work to set up to pay for to do the light, to do everything.

And if it wasn't you, I would have just fucked it off. Oh, that's true. So everyone give me money. Where did you go after London? London, Cardiff. We went to Cardiff. E-P-P-Plas? I don't know how to speak Welsh, but there's a lot of Welsh in Cardiff.

Club. Club. No, it was another university space. It was like a student section. What is this tour? No offense to who booked this tour, but what is this fucking tour? Knock loose goes to college is what it feels like. Which I, like we were talking about on the first.

the way over here. The universities have the budget. So the venue is going to be nice. The backstage is going to be pretty decent. So I'm not complaining about it. But yeah, student night at the old. Have you been getting fucked up? There's been parties. You've been parties? Not for real. No. No. I don't drink like I used to. Yeah. You alluded to this slightly. Yeah. I'm going to eat him somewhere. You tell me what's changed. I think I had a moment of, of, you know what it was? So over the pandemic, I like got into,

I needed not a plan B, but something else to occupy my time. So I started doing like candles and real estate, kind of at the same time. And it got to a point where I was sacrificing productivity for being hungover. I would go out on a weekend night,

a Sunday night, and I would not be clearheaded until it was Wednesday. day. And I, I, I, I would have Monday. Wait, just drinking. Yes. Over drinking. Over drinking. Uh, so I, I needed, I really needed to, like, have every day of the week to be productive. It came to a point, like, there were, there were moments of, I was so hungover. I was missing things pertaining to work and, and things that I, I, well, maybe I'm just a, baby, but I was, I was down and out on my couch all day. And I was like,

Wednesday from Sunday. No, it wouldn't be that. It wouldn't be, it would take, I would probably take Monday off. Tuesday, I would get out and do stuff, but I'd still feel a bit shitty. Wednesday, I'm like, I'm here, but I'm a little hazy. And then Thursday, I'm like, oh, cool, here I am. I'm back, you know. Okay. So what are you doing now then? Just Friday just last. Just less. I'm not even, I'm not making it out as much as I used to. And being over here, it's so easy to, you don't have to worry about a thing. Everyone's loading gear out. You're not driving. It's easy to fall back into, we're drinking till late. But I know I learned if I keep a good schedule, have a good schedule, you know what I mean? If I don't slip up, I'm not slipping up.

So it's just less. I know where my wall is and I don't go past the wall. You know what I mean? That's, that's called, I was going to say that's called like getting older, but I'm much older than you and I haven't learned any lessons. Well, I don't know. A little, maybe I'm a little more self-aware than I was when we met. I feel like I've done the opposite. I think really,

the pandemic made me get fucked up way more. Really? Whereas before, I was like, like, tour, I was like, I got a play good tomorrow.

I got, so I won't get that drunk or whatever. Yeah. And then pandemic happened. And I was like, nothing matters. Yeah. That can be hung over and do nothing.

It doesn't matter. And then that became a whole fucking thing. Sure. But I couldn't, I wasn't going out selling houses. True. How did that happen? I, so I was in the process of buying my first house. Right, like when everything got canceled, which is a terrible time for me to try and buy a place.

I did the same thing. Yeah. So I'm sitting there, like going through the process and I'm sitting there. I was still living with my parents. And my dad said, you know, it would probably help. your process is like just take the course. He's like, you're going to know a deal front to back. It'll help you with your situation.

And I said, oh, well, that's kind of a good idea. Like, worst case scenario, I get it done and I'll have a job. I can get a job after that. And so I was driving home back to my parents the day before we were supposed to leave for a Europe tour in 2020. And I said myself, because we just got off the phone like, hey, it's looking a little hairy. And I said, if this. cancel, if this tour cancels tomorrow, I will start the real estate course. And lo and behold,

we wake up, Vitalo calls. You said, go back to bed. We're not, we're not able to do this. You're hung over. Go back to bed. Right. You're selling houses next week. Yeah. Well, no, God, it took me, took me from May. I got my license in January of 21. So it took, I took the course. It took, what's the course? Because no offense. Yeah. I fucking hate you people. Yeah. Everyone I've ever tried to buy or sell a house from. it's like a necessary evil to deal with a realtor yeah because the thing is they fuck you uh in which on which side exactly okay fuck you on one side and on the other side they're the most helpful people in the fucking world well that that's what i'm trying so so tell me your

if you're selling yeah and i go oh what's the what's the local area like any stabbing and shootings and then you go no and then I move in the next day shabbings and shootings or really fucking noisy neighbors

sure but then when I want to sell I need you to be lying like that for me sure sure so like

it's a necessary evil sure but you're pure evil well gosh I don't have an evil bone of my body I think I don't think you do I think, were you terrible at the job then?

No, no. What I'm getting is a lot of friends about my age buying their first house. And me being in the same boat a year and a half ago, it's fun for me. It's still fun for me because I'm so early on. But if you, I'm not trying to get you into a spot and make a check. No? No. It's nice.

It's nice. But I really needed something to occupy my time. And I was, since I started touring, I was like, I need something to work on wall on the road and then come home and then have that avenue because I can't just sit still. But a lot of these guys, if they're just after a paycheck, of course, they're only thinking about themselves. I think that's the difference between a good realtor and a bad realtor. Someone's thinking about you, someone's working for you, someone's working with you, and then someone's just trying to make a check. You know, some of these sales guys, there's that stigma of sales guys have a certain personality and they're sharks. and if they're just after the check, then that's how they're going to be.

They're not going to... I only had sharks. Yeah. Well, and I don't know how I truly, if I had any insight to give you, I would. I don't know how other than just working with them and feeling people out, how to, like, see that. But I've never had someone turn up the looks like you. Where do you live? Where do you conduct this activity?

I'm licensed in Kentucky, but living in Louisville. You got that southern hospitality. Yeah. Man, see? Yeah, maybe so. Yeah. here. I mean,

not it. Just every, say it, like I bought a million houses. I bought, like, I bought one and then sold one. Like,

yes, going to a different place. But, like, everyone, in fact, no, a few.

Like, they got that, I do a lot of cocaine. Most nights of the week. No kidding. Look. They're just, they can just,

you can just spot them. That person's an estate agent. Yeah. And then they're like, just the worst. Yeah. And do you feel like you, I don't know if it's different over here, do you feel committed and you have to, you sign a thing saying I have to work with this, with this agent? No, but there's just no.

Or they're all the same. They're all exactly the same. I was going to say, no offense if you're listening to your estate agent. I'm 100% sure they're all. Yeah. They're all the same. Well, if you ever want to move to Louisville, Kentucky, I will take care of you. What's your weather saying?

Oh, better than here sometimes, but not. all the time. If I move anywhere. It's got to be warm. It's got to be constantly warm. Okay. I'm fucking sick of rain. Yeah.

Well, it didn't rain as much, but I would say it's got wind. I hate wind as well. Imagine if you were like, no, we don't actually have any wind. I feel like, yeah, we've got normal weather. Like, imagine. What's normal though? Because America's fucked.

Well, we've got all four seasons, right? So it's going to be hot in the summer. I run me through. This is high quality podcast. You eat another dumpling. Okay. While I explain what I want you to run me through, before we do any kind of talking about your band. Okay.

We're going to have to schedule the dumpling eating because there's a lot. There's a lot and there's a lot of talking that needs to be done. Totally. The nature of a podcast. Well, what do you think about, what are these jellyfish looking clear guys? Get one in your mouth. Well, you tell me. I just had is one of these fried things.

The thing looks a bit like a pancake. Yeah. I put it all in my mouth without even testing it. And it was fantastic. I can recommend. And recommend the fry. What you got there? What do you think is happening?

Talk me through it on the palate. I think another shrimp. There's a lot of shrimp here. I probably subconsciously in my head, but like, shrimp's not really an animal. Shrimps don't think. Yeah, that was nice. I do. I might be partial.

I like your green ones. And then what did you say this one? Yeah, get that in your mouth right now. Before I ask you. It looks like an empanata. I'm going to do that because that was wrong. Get it in. Tell me what you think.

the whole thing. It's like a weird pancake. Come on, you got a bigger mouth than me. I got it in. Mm. Run me through it. You got a bit in your beard.

I'm going to be that guy. This is a video. Yeah, we're good. We're good. Oh, yeah. Mm. There's meat in there. Yeah, but what, though?

I couldn't tell you. I think since COVID, I've got no taste. I mean, I've got taste, but there's everything's so just normal. I think it's shrimp. Shrimp has got that. I think I just went fucking shrimp nuts,

to be honest with you. That's not shrimp. I think everything else's a shrimp. What I really want is someone to complain about this podcast to be like, I don't want to. You got a chat going so hard. I don't want people to just be eating. I don't want to listen to people eating on a podcast. Guess what?

Podcasts are free. Turn it off because we're fucking eating. That's a nice cup from Dark Harks of Coffee. Yeah. What a nice cup that is. It's almost like they paid me some money to mention that. Um, anyway, before we talk about you, man, what seasons you got? Talk me through these seasons.

Spring. Yeah. So, what's your spring? Winter? Because, like, Japan, you got cherry blossoms. Kentucky got what? You got fried chicken? We've just got a nice day.

You know what I mean? What's, why? I can wear a t-shirt? Yeah. In the spring? It's going to be colder. It's going to be colder in the spring. Early April.

Early April? Well, that's tough. So, I have. been, gosh, I was in high school, I went to prom and it snowed on April 20th. And you're like, what's going on? You got shit weather to. But yeah, it's once in a blue moon. That was eight years ago.

Oh, old. You need to keep talking while I'm shrimp in. I know it's my podcast. I've never done this before. What's you just put in your mouth? Some sort of shoe mine. Okay. Yeah, I think it's a lot of shrimp.

But it's great. Fall's going to get a little colder. Imagine like textbook seasons. What's your winter? That's what I want to know. Uh, it didn't, it, it, it, it, it snowed in early January once. Once. Yeah.

It just, it'll snow it'll melt by the morning, but the day, once ever. No, no, no, no, no. Like, it'll snow like once or twice a year, yeah. Oh, right. Okay. I thought like, no, and I'm like, it's like snowed in you conduct it once. No, gosh. Interesting.

Well, some of years it doesn't snow. Some years we just won't get it. It's weird. Uh, we, we left for this tour. And it was like six degrees outside. Fahrenheit. I don't know what Celsius is. That's cold with fire.

Yeah, mad cold. Yeah, I'm not moving. Well, I'm not moving. We would hang. We would hang, but it would be cold, hang. Well, only sometimes. And you can vacation in a warmer spot. I haven't paid for a flight with dollars with my Southwest credit card in ages.

So I just pop down to Florida when it gets too cold. What is the deal with Florida? that's a great question now still not going to talk about any kind of music yet like florida is fucking mental i kind of love it but i can't i can't compare it to anywhere it's like

everyone is constantly wearing like real tree camo yeah okay and and but not in like a you know yeezy way yeah right right like i'm actually going to look for ducks. Oh, absolutely. Well, I grew up in... Is that offensive? No, I don't think so. I grew up in

Jacksonville. I lived in Jacksonville. You're a Florida guy? Like 14 years, yeah. So I was asking the right guy what's up in Florida? Well, I grew up in, I mean, I grew up, it was a nice little like community of Fleming Island, uh, in Orange Park outside of Jacksonville. But then you go deeper and it's like the boonies, rednecks, you know, the farms, swamps. That's, I think like, further into like the center. They got them though. Oh, absolutely. Gators.

Oh, yeah. You ever seen a gator? Absolutely. In the wild, in the flesh. Yeah, yeah. I lived and you see the videos, like them walking on golf courses. I was in this neighborhood and it was a community. And they, all the golf courses like the drainage ditches, you know, or the drainage

pipes and stuff. They'll just like go through there and cruise through. What a different world. Yeah. Best do I've got out there, foxes sometimes. I don't think I've ever seen a fox. Never seen a fox? Stick around.

I can show you a fox. That's cool. There's a fox hanging out. All right. So you've done London. Yes. You've done Cardin. Yes.

Where were you last night? Sheffield. Such an interesting call. These seven days, I can usually never remember, like, what was last night, what's tomorrow? But these seven days, this is easy enough. I got this. So Sheffield was last night.

Sheffield, corporations. Corporation. Once a staple of UK touring. Really? And now, I don't know, it just fell off. I guess people go to Leeds or Manchester. That's what they were saying. Like the Mellev guys were saying,

it gets skipped over all the time. But it used to be, you play corporation. Yeah. And there'd be a club night afterwards, and there was some blue drink. I can't remember what it was called. It was like some shit cocktail that they make, but it would get you absolutely,

fuck down. Oh, no. Some good club nights there back in the day. We lost a light. Uh-oh. It's fine. Cool. Any club night last night?

No club night last night. We had a 1 a.m. bus call. It's like an eight-hour drive to get here from Sheffield. No one is not. Took our guy eight hours. There might have been a stop. Maybe. Directions to Sheffield.

This is what you want from a podcast. I'm going to tell you how it is now. Four hours. You want to get a new fucking driver, mate? Oh, I was down and out. That's like a baby.

He was probably sleeping. All right. Then you got Glasgow today. It's going to be good. I can't wait. A weird little venue. Yeah. You said you haven't been there.

I went to a peep show quiz there recently. A peep show quiz. You're the show peep show? It's a UK comedy. Very funny. I went to a quiz show. there and now there's a hardcore show happening but you like sort of seamless transcend hardcore now don't you because you play house of blues big venues how's that happen how have you done that how

do other people do that no idea nice next it's fucking mental it's how when did not when did not when did not loose start look at that he's a pro he's a pro he's a pro knock loose started in 2013 make this long because I'm going to eat a dumpling while you say it. Well, I'm, you know, I'm like their third drummer. What? So, not you started, yeah. No, no, no, I'm not having that. Explain.

Understood. Well, they, uh, no, they started playing at home and I was in, I was in the crowd. I was watching gigs and they were playing like multiple times a week. And, and I think that's what got started, like the, the popularity at home was they were playing hip-hop shows. They're playing black metal shows. They're playing metalcore shows. They're playing hardcore shows. What year is this? This is 2013-ish. And then, uh, because my first tour with them, yeah, so, so they played with a guy at home and he didn't want a tour. So they had two tours booked and they got another guy from in town that said, hey, I play drums. I can learn your songs. They said, cool,

let's go do it. And, uh, yeah, two tours without me. And I, I guess it didn't work out with dude, but they texted me in early or late 2014 saying will you fill in on a tour like we're looking for a drummer what was released by this point oh my gosh i think pop culture the the first EP was out and that was done through a local label at home and how old is everyone at this point because you're all bad piece uh i'm 26 Isaac's got to be 25 Brian is 28. Kevin's turning 29 on Monday. Now you're old.

Yeah. You're past it. Yeah. And then Nika, I think, is 28 as well, 27. I'm bad at this. Just because he's new. Doesn't mean you can forget how old he is. I'm working on it.

All right. So then, what, you're feeling on this tour? No, no. So they asked me to say no. No, I was going to say yes either way. but I was in a position, I was like going to college and I was working a job that paid my tuition to college and a paycheck. So I got to, I had a really like nice. What are you doing at college?

Who fucking cares, you know? I did one semester. It sounds like you were doing like paedophilia or something. No, no. I had, I had no idea what I wanted to do. I was doing it just to like check the box. But what? You must have had a thing.

I was like business. Let's go for business. Okay. But I didn't. That's all I wanted. Oh, sure. It was so fucking weird and cagey about it. No, no.

So it doesn't matter why he did. It was a priest studies. I didn't get far. So that's what didn't matter. But the priest studies, they're like, we fill in. And I said, well, if I fill in, I have to quit my job and drop out of school anyway. I said, so just make me your guy. And they're like, okay.

And it worked. Nice move. Yeah. All that business school paying off. Yeah, my four months of business school. No, it was pre-rex. It was really just like, here's how. you operate in college.

Like, it was that level of education to, like, gear you up for the next. And I was going to community college. I wasn't even, like, at a university or anything. But, uh, and I was just hating it. I was, I, I, I, like, failed a math test for the third time. I took, like, eighth grade level math for the third time as a college freshman. I'm burnt. I'm so over it.

But that's when... That's a private drawing. Yeah, I did my damnedest. I had given up in the second case. Yeah. Well, you had to. You had to, like, you had to, like, get this grade in order to go. I don't know. Also, it doesn't... School shit's fucking mental, isn't it? Yeah. I did quite well in maths in school. And now I'm fucking brain dead. No.

You see, when I was doing the two-times table there with the shrimp, there was a couple of big boazies. I'm like, 24. Well, you did better than I would. I was trying to keep up. And I was like, shit, shit, shit. You're fucking two big brain drummers here. Um, all right. And then... Wednesdays, so 2014? Late 2014 and my first tour with him was January 2015. What did you record? I didn't do anything on record until laugh tracks.

Which was what year? We were writing in 2015 and recorded and came out in 2016. So the first time I ever heard of Knock Lose was Tom Sirl, I believe, showed me some old demo thing that you had, maybe an EP. and then I forgot about it, no offense. That's okay. It was good, but no, that's totally. And then I was in the States for the first time, I think, was stray.

So you recorded in 2015? We might have recorded in 20. Oh, my. I think we recorded like May, summer of 2016 and then out. Oh, so it's been my second, second stray US run. And Tom put it on in the car. oblivion's peak. Yeah, yeah.

And I was just like, fucking hell. Yeah. Tom wanted to manage us for a little bit. You're a big, good band that plays big venues. We weren't then. You can see that.

And the guys are fucking genius. Yeah, well, that's really sweet. Yeah, that was really cool when... Keep talking. I'm eating a shrimp.

Of course. Of course. So count. Well, I remember when we met him for the first time, we sat at the same in and out in L.A. for so long that we had lunch. and dinner there.

And it was great. We were meeting a new friend, and a lot happened from that. You know, we toured together and gig together and all that, but it was cool. We did a tour together, didn't we? Yeah. We only do one.

What a tragedy that is. One tour, one show. Stick to your guns. No, no, no, no. We have done, uh, we did some like Europe festivals and stuff. That doesn't count. Doesn't that?

I mean like a camaraderie. Like a big... We did that one tour. Yeah. Stick to your hands. Stray. Stray. Mm-hmm.

Expire? Mm-hmm. Knock-loose expire? I think so. We opened. We definitely opened. Expire, not loose. I think that was the tour.

Yeah. Tour was fucking sick. Yeah, that was great. You guys opened. Yeah. Probably never opened again since then. No, no, gosh. Barlix.

Unless it's like fucking Goggera. Even that you didn't open, did you? No, that was a cool tour. We're getting to that. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I, man, I still have, when I moved, I have my stack of laminates and I want to put them in order and I just haven't done it. But I don't have it fresh in my mind.

Like, after that, oh my gosh. What, I don't remember what time of year that was, but we opened the Acacia Strain, common vision tour that same year. We opened that. Okay. And then you got massive. I'm trying to think of what would have been after that. These are confirmed some form of meat.

I think, yeah, that's got to be the pork ones. Just a segue there. I'll do some talking. Yeah, please do. You do some eating here. The, okay, so you do laugh tracks. Which is, if anyone hasn't listened to it, you're a fucking idiot. Because it's fucking unreal, especially for like a debut.

And then you just blow up immediately. And don't say you didn't because you fucking did. There's levels to it. No, no one has done it as quickly as you guys. No one. And that's not like a slight. That's a bad testament to you. Oh, yeah.

I don't know what it is. Thank you. I don't know what did it. I mean, being good, did it. Well, thanks.

I'm going to fucking gas you up too much. But, you know, I think it was a lot of right place, right time. Right, right moment for what we were doing to be popular.

You know what I mean? like the, I don't know, the metal core, hardcore, sludgy, people were like, that's, that's maybe the new wave or that's the new wave, or, and we were just riding that. I think we're still riding that, which is crazy. I think you're like, actually, I'm going to gash you up again a little bit, and then I'll stop and I'll be mean for a bit. You got to take me down a peg a little later. I think you guys have just been the same humble people from the get-go, just super stoked

to be on a tour or to do this or to, you know, to do whatever. And even when you were blowing up, there was no, we should be doing this. We should be doing that.

It's just like, oh, cool. Like, you were fucking just a bunch of kids. Yeah. All we wanted to do was the, get in the van, go play some shows. And even there's like necessary, growing pains,

I'll say, that we started doing two, much for the van. Like we just did, the last headliner we did last year was our first time not in a van in the States. We did like the bandwagon, right? But we, like, we could have, it would have sucked really bad and it would have been a grind

because we transitioned into that Gojira tour and it was routed for a bus. You know how all that goes. But, but the goal, the goal was reached so long ago of we just want to get in the van and play shows that we're doing it and if we can still do it, we're happy. and anything else outside of that is just icing on the cake, you know?

It's commendable way to think. Thanks. Coming about this bandwagon tour because we're about to do our first bandwagon states tour. Really? And I'm so fucking excited. It'll be cool, man. So we, we again, just the people we were bringing, the crew we were bringing it because we, I, from manager drummer boy, I wanted to be, if I can't manage, I'll try and tour manage.

and then I got my ass handed to me. Why are you trying to do so much shit? I think that's just how I operate. I think that's just, if I, again, if I sit still too long, and even on the road, if I like, oh, cool, my drums are set up. We've sound checked. I have nothing to do. What else?

Oh, I can be productive. I can help facilitate things day of show for the band and stuff like that. And again, it was growing so quickly that I was in over my head. And I was like, we need somebody that that knows what they're doing, has been doing this for a while. So we've been lucky to work with some really cool TMs. And we just started bringing too many people to fit. Comfortability left the room long ago. But it was we are too many people in one van to like do this and everybody be happy because it was turning into, you know, two hotel rooms a night, three hotel room.

And then you're then trading cost. It's expensive. Once it hits that three, it's like, you might as well just get a bandwagon. But it was cool. It was, it was comfortable. The, I'm sure you've heard this before. The suspension on those vehicles are nothing to write home about. So it's a little bumpy and a little scary some nights if you're hitting a lot of potholes.

But it's, you can't be rolling out of a bunk and walking into a bathroom if you have to piss late at night. You know what I mean? It's just like the little play. Take a shower after a show that's not in the venue. is money. Hold the fuck on. There's a shower. There's a shower.

Even buses don't have showers. Some do, but you got to find them. I think you slip not out of shower. Yeah. They have showers. They have like a full bathroom in the back. I say full bathroom. It's one of those you turn the water on, get wet, soap up, turn the water off.

I mean, that's a shower. Yeah. That's the definition of a shower. Yeah. And it gets warm. It's warm water. It's not shot. That's fucking autumn.

You may have. I will. allow you to have two dumplings while I explain to the audience. Thank you, thank you, thank you. What a bandwagon is. Yeah, cool. You can eat as many dumplings as you can in how long it takes me to explain this. So don't even reply to me.

If anyone doesn't know, there's basically maybe three ways of touring. Realistically is a van, a bus, or what's called a bandwagon, which is essentially just like So a tour bus meaning there is a bunch of bunks There is usually a lounge If not two with seats TVs

It's the greatest way to fucking tour on earth You go you play the show You can go to bed if you want You can stay up really late if you want You get up whenever you want You wake up You're magically at the venue And then but in

In America I don't know if there's There's either it's either a law or it's just something they don't have, but they don't have the double-decker buses. Yeah, I don't know what the deal is there, but that would be, that would change, I think,

how bands would do it, because it's not, basically in America, you even need to be so big that you can buy your own bus or big as in financially that you can rent your own bus because they only fit maybe fucking, I don't know, 12 people or something, maximum 16 or something.

Yeah, I would say 16. but that most. So you've either got to be so big that you can afford that for yourself or so small in your numbers that you could split it with another band. So for most bands, it's not financially viable. So the middle ground and touring in a van in America with the long drives stinks. We've all had to do it, but it sucks. Yeah. Especially now they change those green vans.

They don't have the benches. Is it just captain's chairs? Is that what they call them? I call them bucket seats. Yeah. Bucket seats. That sucks. Imagine doing fucking.

Salt Lake to Denver, the whole thing. Sitting up. Salt Lake to Denver, my God. There's no easy way into Salt Lake. Flying? Well, sure. Oh, yeah, that's the next step. You'd be like...

Fly to every gig. Go to fly to every gig. But yeah, so bandwagons, I'm excited. Yeah. Keep going. Yeah, yeah. So I'm super excited to have essentially the bus experience, but in America, because I don't get to see the bits of America,

because you're fucking driving all day and then you're at the venue and then you're loading in and then you do the thing and then you do the way of the van? No, but I'm still in it. I don't want to like fucking,

I don't, because I don't drive over there, it's not like I can't drive, it's an incredibly dangerous idea. Sure. Other side of the road, and I'm a fucking terrible driver. But like,

I'll try and stay up if people are doing a night drive as much as possible. with them. Well, just like, just listen to their podcast as well or whatever, just in case anything happens. Sure. Because I feel bad because I'm not driving. Yeah, yeah.

But I'm looking forward to like, no one in the band is driving. So the stress levels are going to be reduced. Yeah. Immediately. Yeah. It'll be cool. You're, you're going to love it.

And I think that's what took us so long. We knew we were going to enjoy it. So we wanted to put that up because, like, it's going to be so hard to go from that back. And, of course possible, but difficult. But you, uh, what was I going?

Keep talking and eating. You're gonna, you're gonna really enjoy it. There's, uh, it's only up from there. You know what I mean? I know,

well, true. No, you can't afford it. There's, uh, do you have a driver hired yet? Do you know?

Yeah, someone Mikey knows. I don't know. Cool. Some guy apparently is cool. Yeah. That's all you need. But great.

Okay. You do laugh tracks. It's the smash. is the smash hit success of the summer yeah everyone's fucking stoked um then what happens next do another album ghost ghost album oh haunting no no so laugh tracks into yeah a different shade of blue that was uh 2019 damn we did we did laugh tracks in 2016 and then a different shade of blue in 2019 so like because you fucking just told for three years yeah oh yeah six to eight months a year which i mean hopefully we get back to that but yeah do you hope we get back to that i love it i

absolutely hope really yeah oh my god we did when we when we did come back we did uh headliner straight into gojira it was like 70 something plus days of and you know us off day will try and a book and off day show. I don't think we did as many of those this time around. But try and fill those spaces and the gig life. That's not even to a whole. I mean, a headline is great anyway and then goes, year is great.

Yeah. So it was, it was great and it was easy for us to buckle down and say, hey, yeah, let's do it. But when I'm out, I'm like, that's, that's just where I am. you know what I mean I don't I'll get homesick and say oh my family's at home but it's like well I've I'll see him in 14 days you know I'll see him in another month I'm just say well I haven't I haven't been back to touring yet because we did I did recorded the album and

did five shows so I haven't been back to it so I don't remember if I like really miss it I think I will it's to get out there and into the funny swing of things that light it's just doing one's never never easy there's always something wrong you I think you're going to once you're kind of in that space again, because it's a big adjustment. That fucking bandwagon space. Yeah. And you got to let me know what you think because some people will love it. Some people will hate the way.

Keep talking. Of course, of course. Sleeping on that thing, man, is tough some nights depending on where you are. But I got to get your opinion once you do it. When does that tour start again? Just how bumpy it is. Thanks for asking. It actually starts on the 20.

I have no fucking idea. This month? What day? Yeah, this month. I go out. I fly on the 19th. Oh, no kidding. So it's start.

I fly next Saturday. Do you play, I know the tour, I haven't seen the dates. I know you're playing close to Tampa, but anywhere close to Louisville, Cincinnati or anything like that or. I can leave Cincinnati's on the list.

Really? A little quick, a little quick look. Let me see if I can pull. Let me pull this up. It's a tour. with the band Under Oath, right? The band, I could get double money here.

It's a tour with the band Under Oath. They've actually got their own podcast right now, Under Oath. They go through some... I actually got asked to do a read for it, but I haven't practiced it, so I'll do that on the next one. Sorry, anyone. Under Oath, I'm the least professional person, I know.

I'm getting away with it. That's why I don't have to change. It's pretty impressive. To get away with it. No, that you, yeah. You got something that works, and you're going to run with it. Having a little chat at that light, I'm going to fucking...

Yeah, this isn't... Yeah, easy. I'm just in... I'm just in... I'm getting these tour dates up so we can see when we're going to hang out, if we're going to hang out. Yeah, I'd love that. You've got a tour coming up, though.

We do have a tour coming up. Tell me about that. We are... We're doing a headliner in the States with movements, Kublai Khan and Koyo. What a good fucking lineup. It'll be cool. We're trying to...

We're trying to do some fun, visual things. What do you mean from visual? I don't have a show. Ooh. And I don't know exactly because Brian is the brain behind, you know, how he is. He likes his creative space. His creative space is him and Taylor will put on, she'll do our lights and he's putting on, not putting on, but he's having ideas on what he wants the stage to look like,

set design and stuff like that. I remember when we were just, doing, maybe we're doing internal automics. Bri and his brothers had driven to New Jersey to pick up some lights. Yeah, yeah.

That was the start of your production. I think so. That's crazy. And I don't think we ended up using them. After that drive. I think they got up there, got them. We rehearsed in a space with him. And it wasn't what we were hoping for or like looking for.

Because it was just like a, hey, let's ring. these let's see how it goes and we had that time to say, and returned them, we might have freighted them back, which is expensive. But I think we just did that. I think it was a headline. It must have been a headliner with just house lights.

And then we're learning from there. The headliner before Gojira? No, no, no, no. We had a bit of a package for that. Actually, no. I think that was just because the, I think the lights got delivered to, not House of Blues

Anaheim Chain Reaction We did a couple days there They brought the lights there And then Gozier was like Three or four days later Nice So we did the support tour

With our four little light towers And looked awesome It's funny how you say Anaheim Because I've just got here Some tour dates From the band's under oath Spirit box Bad Omen

And a little band called Straight From the Path It starts In Phoenix on the 23rd It goes Phoenix, L.A., Anaheim, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver, Spokane, Salt Lake City, Denver, Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, Cleveland, Wollingford, Boston, Pittsburgh, Brooklyn, Silver Spring, Philadelphia, Sayerville, Cincinnati, Charlotte. What venue in Cincinnati? Shout out of Hornets. I don't know why.

Andrew J. Brady Icon Music Center. in Cincinnati? Only in America. Could you have a fucking venue called that? Never heard of it because it's a man's name. Never heard of him. No. We're going to play as a huge guy.

We're just going to play inside him. Atlanta and two St. Petersburg days. Cool. That's it. That's my tour plugged. Yeah. You should come and see me be bad at the drums. I don't think that's going to be the case.

It happens nowadays. What was that? Oh my gosh. You had a question for me. I was going to say, I can look at this afterward, too, but what date was the Cincinnati show? And I can figure out if I can...

Listen, there's no rules here. Yeah? 22nd of March. Okay. Hmm. You don't have to RSVP right now. Totally, yeah. I'll see.

Because we've got the, uh, ours starts the 31st in Nashville. Just a few days later. Ooh. What a fucking... Busy time for... I was going to say,

do you want to reel off your dates, but that's too much. People are talking. Oh, my God. Just go on the website. It'll be fine. Yeah, yeah. All right, that Gojira tour.

Oh, yeah. How did you get it? That's what I want to know. Did they? Yeah, so it was bubbling up in 2021. In 2020, we were talking about, oh, maybe next year. With Gojira.

With Gojira. And obviously, that got canned. And we're all huge fans of the band, and I'm thrilled that they came back. and said, hey, we're going to try this again. You still want to do it. We said, yes. And it was fantastic.

We're just watching them every night. You mate to them now. They are super, super friendly guys. I don't, we didn't leave the tour with like, oh, we got to get your number. We got to keep up, you know. I'm sure if we were to play close to them, maybe they would come out. If they're playing close to us, we're going to come out. But super, super friendly people, even their stage crew, super nice guys.

everyone was looking after us and it was one of those you get to a certain point of touring where you I felt like I didn't want to step on any toes maybe unnecessarily but I was like I really need to we need to keep you know to ourselves keep our shit tight

you know we want to make a good impression and it got more comfortable as we went on because they're like we're all here having a good time you know what I mean but uh what a cool band What a cool band to see Unbelievable

Yeah That was I think Night 1 was my second Time seeing him We played a festival in Chicago That I stayed The next day for Just to catch him

I flew home I spent money Not on the fest But I was like I need to see at least 30 minutes of Gojira But it was awesome Was that the last

What you did before Shit fucked up Um No We just did that like Late December Is when we got Early December is when we got

home. So that was just the end of last year. Holy shit. Yeah. My years have gone. Last year was gone. Yeah. I've got nothing. Yeah.

In my head, that was the end of 2020. No. No, we've been in this pandemic for so long. Right. Of course it was really recently. Yeah. Because otherwise it would have been three years ago. Exactly.

Got it. Okay. Now I'm on the same page of you. Yeah. Fucking fantastic. Who's doing the fucking drawings? The, your thing? Oh, on for what?

Your fucking animation. Did you like that way on that? Oh, wait, for the, for our video? Oh, Magnus Johnson. I'm so obsessed with just making it as unprofessional as possible. That's okay. In my head, I deliberately think, and I'm the only one I think it finds it funny, I think of what is the weirdest, craziest segue that I can get to talking about the next thing that we want to have me.

Have me try and figure out what you're trying to bring up. Who did your drawings? was the question. And I'm like, there's been a lot of drawings over the last, you know, four months. This is me getting to EP. EP video. So, Magnus Johnson did the drawings for us. The drawings that moved.

The drawings that won't move. He did a sugar video. Oh. And I don't know, I don't know if it was Brian or Isaac that brought up like, oh, this is like such a cool look. It was a Hail Mary. like let's try and get that guy and he said yes and we're like oh cool this is this is happening that whole EP was kind of like a uh we talked about it we we have our song in the walls that is kind of like a spooky scary haunty song and um i think it it i think it was an isaic

idea we were sitting around he was like what if we did like a whole concept like haunted EP thing. And we're like, damn, yeah, that's fucking sick. Never thinking that we could actually get it done because of how often we were touring. I really think if the pandemic didn't shut us down and force us to say, hey, write, you have to write. Let's be productive in your nonproductive time. I don't know if it would have happened the way it did. So it was, Isaac and Brian really ran with that idea. And it came together so perfectly with the video and getting Magnus to do it. It's fucking insane. Thank you. Thank you very much. How do you guys write?

Like, what's your, what's the process? We've, of course, tried the, the, hey, I've got a riff. What, what do you think, you know, that whole thing? And we quickly learned that that's not how we operate the highest. So we all just, we will, and we can't even do this at home anymore, but we will get together and go somewhere to write. And we shoot for away from home so we don't have the distractions of, oh, I got to go get dinner with my folks, or I got to pick up my girlfriend.

from work or this or that. It is, we usually do about two weeks of just here we are, hopefully, middle of nowhere, we have to be productive. Like, all we have to do is wake up right, try and get a song or two. But like when it physically comes to writing, are you jamming? We are jamming. You're 100% a jam at band. Yeah.

We will jam part, part, part, part, part. And then afterward, Isaac will demo it out on his computer. That's what Stray does. Yeah, cool. And no one does it like that anymore. Yeah. Everyone is one guy and it's like, here's the song got. No offense to all of you.

Here's the song guys. Learn it. Yeah, yeah. And then they learn it and there's your song. Yeah, that's cool. Stray's the first band I've ever been in which writes like that. Jam room and then you take it to the technology because then you can hear it back. Exactly.

Then you can go, well, actually that didn't work. We thought it worked because we're having fun. Yeah, yeah. In a cold light of day. I think it's a good way to do it. It's funny too. It's funny you say no one does it like that anymore. my brother he's 17 is finally

that's my stomach saying you're still hungry eat some fucking we got him I'll talk you eat no yeah you talk I'll do one more yeah then I'm gonna talk extensively and I want to see how many you can eat in that space okay they're going cold yeah yeah I know I'm enjoying talking with you but uh my brother's 17

he's he is getting into music now himself and he's trying to start a band and he's tried to play guitar and play drums over the years and the way they do it is that they will sit at a computer and write wrists, right wrists, right rifts. Right rifts. Is he in a gent band? No, I haven't heard music from him yet. Okay, so you just said he, he's in a band.

He's, that's, yeah, yeah. He tried to play guitar and he tried to play drums. So which one is he doing? He's, he's trying to front this band. Ah, so that's the easy way out. Right. I like it. I like it.

He's the way. Of course it is. I tried drums. Ah, tried guitar. Could I just shout? I think he's writing guitar for it with, they've got other players, but he's like, I want to be the frontman for this band. But that's how they do it.

Behind a computer, they're trying to, and I'm like, hey, I want to hear it. I want to hear it. Like, what do you have? And he's like, oh, we haven't gotten there yet. What's on the computer then? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Oh, we haven't got there yet.

It's actually still in binary. So once it's being recreated, I'll send it to you. Decode the riff. How are you going to eat more? Because I'm now concerned about your performance this evening. What time is there? Do we have time? to eat more.

You've got time to eat more. We can always... What's your cut off when you play a show? I got a strong gut. I'm really not afraid of that, but I do have my... I have to schedule out my beers before the set. So... Let's talk about that.

Let's talk about both of those things in order. So, okay, so what's your stage time tonight? 9.30? 935. Okay, so it is about 6.30. So three hours, but you said you got a strong guy? Well, you could eat 10 minutes before the set? My gosh, when we were torn together, Neck made fun of me for this.

We were playing in Texas at Walters, right? Yeah, I remember it. And someone did a big order of dumplings or Asian food, Asian cuisine. And I said, I need my eight dumplings before the set. And Neck and I are sitting outside eating. And he's like, when do you play? And I'm like, next. Like, after this next song, you know what I mean?

So. And what? You don't get any cramping or anything? I just feel slow and shit. I'm sure I did, but I was 20 at the time. I felt bulletproof. Yeah, maybe. What's the pre-show beers?

I usually like to have a beer or two per band. So many beers. No, well, there's only three bands before us. Do you want a beer right now? Yeah, I've got one. I can get you a beer from your hometown, if you want. Get you a Budweiser. From my hometown.

You want a bus. Budger? You're a hometown of America? Uh, yeah. Yeah, if you got one. Well, well, I see you drinking fancy things. Not that I'm trying to... I don't have any fancy things here. Oh, well. I've only got the dog shit here. I'll take whatever... Oh, I... No, I think I fucking ate it. Eat it? With my drinking muscles? My brain's fucked. I don't know. I didn't want to do this today. I wanted to do it with you. I didn't want to put it on a thing. Oh, sure. I could edit this shit out, but... Yeah, well, we can do that.

You don't want to be it. Or you do? Uh, let's, we'll, we'll get into it afterward. I think. I gotta wait till doors, right? To do what? Start drinking. I don't know. You're the one with the weird schedule here.

What time is it? 6.30. Let's shoot for, uh, let's shoot. Let's start drinking at seven. Okay, that's easy. If, um, yeah, we'll get an Uber to the show. Cool. I'm not fucking, I'm not doing that.

Yeah. If Lika's gone out and got some collo, then we'll have espresso martinis. I would love that. Which would, really. really put a pep in your step for that show. Yeah. A beer or two per support? So you're on eight beers? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Because there's

uh... No, no, that's six beers. There's three bands before us. How big are these beers? Six beers before you play? The normal size. Six tall boys before you play. That's if I'm doing two per. If maybe I'm... You said two per though? One or two. Which is it? It depends on the day. I don't know.

What? What? Because I, the reason I'm so obsessed with this is because I was having like a real hard time on those five shows we did with my back like my back's fucked oh really my muscles were locking up and stuff and then like towards the end I was like I'm just going to drink two beers before I play to like loosening me up and I was like this is fucking awesome worked wonders right I'm going to do this all the time yeah so now but now you're pushing the limits on six six to eight beers no no I wouldn't do eight six before is is not unheard of, but I wouldn't want to go over that. But I mean, I used to and it sucked, um, really, like, overdo it before the set. And it was, what, what's the reasoning? Is this like,

I've got nerves? Uh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I thought I was calming my nerves. And then in the last, I don't know, year or two, I'm learning that trying to combat my nerves with booze would make me more nervous. And then I'm relying on something to calm something that is making it work. Therapy shit. Yeah. I don't know. They say your brain matures fully at 25 and I fucking doesn't. Mine's been rotting since about fucking 25. I had a, I had a fucking come to Jesus. I'm a grown man. I work, you know. I thought you were really going to say something about Jesus. You Jesus guy? I was born and brought up Catholic and I see this. Oh, that's just because I want to be a fucking 80s dude but so um you into jesus i was i got a lot of pentagrams no no it's so good i was i

was born and brought up catholic and it's not to say we set no text before marriage that's that's what you're taught and i'm waiting there's that lie that absolute lie carry on um i wouldn't say i don't know what the term practicing means anymore because it's not like we're church every Sunday kind of family. Do you believe in God? Yeah. What is your, this is interesting, because no one ever comes on that believes in God. Really? I don't know why. They're scared. Um, what is, what do you think God is? Oh my gosh, Craig. I didn't know it was going here, either. I did not know what was going here. I love it. Uh, I don't know. It's just, you know, the higher power that is, you think he's one guy. I guess so. Yeah, that's a genuine question. Yeah. I guess that's what's

but as I've grown into the man that I am today, I've taken more of the, like the moral, like be a good person's side of it into how I operate as a person. And I'm holding on to like the faith and the belief because it is how I was brought up. And if I was really, really determined to stray away from that and started reading about, hey, here's how you get out of this or get out of the church or get out of this and that,

you could spend time doing that but I'm happy so I'm like if it ain't broke don't fix it I'm enjoying myself a minute that sounded like you were part of some sort of like Scientology no thing because you're like if I needed to get out of the church no no no like if I really wanted to like no longer become a Satanist yeah um this is really interesting to me because I despite all of the Satan shit I do actually think that there is something else. Well, you and I got in, it was a brief, and I don't know how much you were wanting me to continue to ask.

But I remember we were in Richmond, Virginia. I think we were just walking for coffee. And it was the first time, because, again, I was probably 20 years old. I'm fresh to the world. But you were probably one of the first guys that brought up the simulation theory to me. We were walking to get a coffee and I think we went to Jimmy Johns as well. Yeah, got a sandwich.

I remember exactly that time. Yeah, and again, probably the first, one of the first times I had heard of that. I was like, huh. And now what are you thinking about it? No, no, no. You think about it? That's what you were getting at is, I think there's something out there. And I remember like, oh, are you?

I mean, I think there's too many synchronicities and stuff that happens for it. like not part i'm not saying it's like a fucking game or something but to not just be like someone's science experiment sure like a crazy evolved like the same thing that people on earth can make gta 5 right sure yeah which is fucking incredible and if you think about in 500 years time what sort of game gta 5 would be it's going to be fucking nuts oh yeah maybe even like you couldn't fucking separate it from reality with all the metaverse shit. Oh gosh, yeah. What's to say we're not just some fucking...

Yeah, has it happened already? Yeah, and we've had shit programmed. And now we're making our own in this space. Exactly, yeah. And we've had shit programmed. It's not we've been smoking weed, but we haven't. We've had shit programmed. Like this is our, like our emotions are our response to things.

And some fucking crazy alien program and just program that. And we're, we're walking around like that. I've got freedom of, freedom of will and everything, but really, we're just, yeah, just cogs in a machine.

Yeah, yeah. And that would make, they're a god. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah,

yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Do you think there's a heaven and the hell? By, by my education, yeah.

Are they going to fucking release some dirt on you, if you say anything against? No, no, like, like, So, you don't sound convinced. Yes, I do believe that there's a heaven and a hell, yeah.

Like a fiery pit. I think that's imagery. So what is it? I don't know. You know more than me. Give an example. What do you visualize it to be? I suppose visualize it as a, yeah, a place of agony and then a place of paradise.

Which are we on now? We are in limbo. This could be purgatory. Yeah. This could be purgatory and this is, this is it. How you operate here will. Because this bit of salt, there's a bit of salt. There's a bit of salt and there's a bit, can you hear my neighbors?

It's fucking insane. I thought that was God. Knock and saying, shut the fuck. If that's God, send me directly to hell. Yeah, because it's a bit of salt and there's a bit sweet on earth. Sure. You could be right. I could be.

Hey, no, no, no. Who knows, man. We'll, we'll find out. I might be finding out later on at the show, remember? No, why? What are you going to do? Do you have plans? No. Oh, okay.

Not this time. You're fucked. There's, no, because earlier, we'd like, someone could be listening to this from the future. That was before the horrific accident. Oh, Craig. That was before the horrific QMU accident. Or someone could be watching this and hate me so much

on account of the mouth slapping noises and the eating and the general unprofessionalism that they come to QMU, Glasgow. student union with a gun and shoot me in the fucking face. Well, stay backstage with us. I will not be going backstage. Why not? I hate going to people's shows and then just being an extra fucking potato backstage.

Well, hang. We'll have a, I don't know, what's the beer you get here most? What beers are on your rider? I think I saw, I don't know what I saw today. I don't know, to be honest with you, because I feel like over here, they'll just give you it. Like, we got two cases of red striker. stripe last night. I've never asked

for a red stripe in my life. Yeah, that is, you're getting, that's just that UK shit, you ride a hospitality. We got Bud Light the other night, and that, I'm not saying I was excited, but it was different for over here. What are the green with a pee, the green bottles?

Fucking Holston Pills. Maybe. Green and yellow. Green, I'm not sure. Is there a Pironi, poroni? Is it a beer? Is it a green, green. That's nice. Yeah, that's quite a nice one. It's quite a high end. Is it?

Is it? Is it? I didn't mind it. The problem is, right, the God conversation wasn't enough for the bit of my brain that goes, okay, that was a good podcast. Okay. It was nearly there, right? Yeah, what do you want to touch on? I don't know, because if anyone knows your band, they know that you're really good.

All right. Oh, this is what I want to talk about. Don't have any notes. I fucking hate this. You got really good at the drums. Me, no. You improved. Most improved.

Will Putney confirmed. Hey. Most improved drummer. Hey. He's ever recorded. Well, thanks. What did you do? Drank six beers.

I really think it was just playing a bunch. I think it was playing as often and as much as we did. And I really, nothing changed in, I don't know. I have this goal of like I want to practice with intent. You know what I mean? not just, hey, I want to play the songs, but I want to improve.

That's God. That was scary. I want to improve. So when we were writing the EP, and I know the goal was to kind of branch out a little bit, not just, hey, let's write the same Nocluss song with the breakdown and this and that, but we wanted to like, we were like, oh, let's add blasting. Let's add things we wouldn't normally do. There's some blasting on that EP.

Yeah, yeah. My little face lit up. Yeah, cool. And that was it. And it really, what we wrote was hard for me when we wrote it. And so in order for it to be pulled off, I had to get better in order to make it happen. I wanted to go into Will and nail it and him not be like, because when that happens, I'll reach my limit and he, bless his heart, knows that there's more in you, there's more in you.

Like, we can bang this out. And I'm like so frustrated. But I didn't want that to happen. I wanted to just bang it out and be happy. And I think we did drums in like a day and a half for the EP. Which was, I was thrilled. Yeah. And then we went to his baller fucking house and it was beautiful.

Nice house. Slept great. Nice beds. Oh, compared with the old machine shop sleeping. Which I'm sure we'd met many times on separate tours. So it's just like the toilet terrorism of waiting for the fucking bathroom and someone's in their shit. I'll talk about that on almost every episode of the podcast. Yeah, yeah.

Let's not talk about that. Did you actually actively practice at home or just when jamming? Yeah, luckily, at my parents, I've got a space to practice. And then in my house now, I've got like an office space where I've got a kit set up. So I was able to really put in time to say, if my goal is to be able to nail this when I go in to record it and then play it live. Because even then, after recording, things slowed down. We didn't tour for a little bit, obviously. that in order to keep up with just the speed of,

I don't know, I'm doing single foot stuff. I needed to like really keep on it. How much practice do you reckon you did? Weekly. I'll play every day. If I'm at home, I'll play every day,

even if I get half an hour in. That'll be while you're getting good. Definitely, yeah. And I'm lucky because not everyone gets to do that in their own space. You can get, you got full kit, full volume in your house. My house is brick. So jealous.

No one can hear it. I am coming at Kentucky. Yeah. That famous one snow. Yeah, yeah. One snow, one snow, eight beers before playing.

Let's go. I'm in. We can have eight beers today. Hey, you're a fucking realtor. That's why I brought it up to begin with. His brick house is I can play drums in. That's what I need. I need you.

But here, I can go, I want to play drums at home. I wonder. I doubt there's any kind of crossover. It's a totally different market. The people here look like. The people from,

the big short. The big short. They're not every drummer in metalcore. That certainly happened in America. Like everyone was, Van Burke, X-straving the path. Oh,

dude, yeah. Flipping houses. The joke was, oh, that's like the middle core retirement plan. Yeah.

Flipping house. Yeah, it's awesome. Paxon flipping houses. Me, shitty little podcast that I'm bad at. Hey, how many people are watching right now?

A million? 158 there. Hey. Then you got 40,000 on the audio. when it goes out probably. Then you got whatever on the YouTube. Cool. Yeah, I watch you every day.

But it's theoretical money. There's no money. There's a Patreon. But it's one pound. You don't get any perks. Do you want flipping house money? Do you want some cash? No.

I would love. I'd love anyone that enjoyed how bad I was and my excellent guest. Just give me a pound on the Patreon. And then forget that you've signed up. That's why it's a pound. So you do it and you forget and you, I'll remember that. later, but it's not at the front of your brain because it's a pound.

Yeah, that's good. It's genius, really. It's genius. If I'm honest, it's fucking genius. Yeah. Right, what we're going to do, we're going to do the last part of the podcast. Okay. It's a new part, and I haven't pre-warned you for it.

Okay. I'm going to explain it while you eat. Do you want to eat more? Are you done? I think I'm tapped. What? You said you were doing 50? That's on like putting up numbers night.

You know what I mean? You know what we should do? We should box it up and you reckon people at a show a year? I believe that. I bet. I bet. Okay. Evan Nott would have a couple of these.

Isaac Hale would have a couple of these. That's an off-screen conversation. Right. There's a bit of the podcast now, a new bit. I stole it off a different podcast. It's called Goth Menu. Okay. We're basically going to do your dream festival.

Oh. But it's not going to be as hard as you think it is. Because you only have to tell me three bands. Okay. So that's fine. What we start with is Dream Festival. What's your accommodation? What's my accommodation?

Yeah, if you go, if you're, I, I, I, I, Will, Will Putney's, here's, I'll give you the example. Okay. Will Putney's, took place in Australia. The accommodation was a hotel, no, accommodation was a side stage, uh, trailer that was from a memory that he had at Furnace Fest, that they actually have one of those. He had Metallica headline with nine inch name. and they would have two, they had two stages and they would flip-flop. The crowd was all dogs.

Oh my God. And all the drinks were spin drift. Okay. So we're going to go through this, but it's your dream. I want you to dream big. It doesn't need to be realistic. Okay.

What, where, what location is it in? Dream festival. Hmm. Oh, I really enjoy, and you,

I don't know if you're going to like this. I really like Prague. Love it. Okay, cool. As a city. So, yeah, downtown old Prague. Nice. Yeah, what do you think of that?

We're like in the city? Yeah. Oh, right by the clock. You know the big... Oh, in that? The courtyard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do that.

This is a podcast. Yeah. Now, my friend. Cool. We've got the clock. Yeah. Okay. What's your...

Knock loose is playing, by the way. Okay. Okay. What's your accommodation? Like, because festivals, you can camp. You could be on a bus. You could have a hotel. You could do anything you want.

It's your dream festival. If we are in that little square, I would like one of them, one of the buildings in the square to be like... I'm sure there's apartments. Like artist world, artist house, if you will. Ooh. What do you think of that?

Yeah, for the duration of the festival. And you can see the stage. You're sleeping there as well, though. Yeah, sure. It better be comfortable. You can see the stage. It's a dream vessel. It can be as comfortable as you want.

Yeah, yeah. Incredibly comfortable. In regards to the clock tower. Yeah. Where is the stage? Okay, so. There's stage to do it here. Stage is here.

Yeah. Stage is here. People are here. Yeah. Stage is here. Clock tower is going to be right here. There, not behind the stage. No, it's not high enough.

Because you are going to be staying right about there. I'm, yeah, I'm with you. You know what I mean? I know where a clock tower is there. Sometimes there's actually there. That's nice. Yeah. Okay.

Now, as far as bands, you keep asking. This is the way we do the band stuff. Okay. So we want your, your small discovery. So this is a band you're into, at the moment,

and you are small and probably need more recognition. Okay. They're going to be opening your festival. Okay. I wouldn't say, I've never, never seen a,

I just really enjoy the band, but Teenage Rist. Nice. Enjoy that. We were supposed to see them at louder than life, but they got switched to a different day, and I was pretty bummed about that. But okay. Where were they from? California, I believe.

Like California. Yeah. You can smell it in the music. Yeah. Just a little bit. Just a sniff of California. Okay, Teenage Rist, and then you got what I would need. Oh, what I need actually before we'll do intermission here.

What are you drinking for the duration of a festival? I'm a Miller light guy After all that talk You're turning nose up at Budweiser I did not turn my nose up at Budweiser And then you say you're a Miller light guy Well I see you drinking posh beer So I wanted to try a posh beer

I wish I had some I wish you did too I'm sorry What kind of podcast is this Except you didn't even want to drink Before the podcast You want to be sharp And as a result

I a borderline alcoholic Am not sharp Because my body is screaming out for alcohol What we say seven Well okay Yeah I'm trying to get this juicy, nice bit. Don't know what you got, Master Tour.

No, no. I refuse to use Master Tour. I know we're talking about there. Oh, that's another accommodation for the Fest. No Master Tour. No Master Tour. Why do you hate it? If anyone doesn't know, it's an app on the phone

instead of having a tour manager. I think it's because how often I try and log in and get the password wrong, I'm sick of it. So it's on me, but I don't like it. Well, it's not happening at this dream festival. No. Sure isn't. And you're drinking Miller Lite.

Miller Lite. And you know what? Because I didn't get that espresso martini, I will be drinking Miller Lights and espresso martinis. Nice. That's a fucking good. It's a one day fest too, so it's easy. One stage.

One day. Who's your headliner? I need the big band. And it's either a co-headliner or I need the big band and the, you know, the band that's just done the direct. Mm-hmm. Still big. I would like from the comfort of my,

Artist World Loft apartment in downtown Prague. Yes. I would like to watch Slipknot with speaker. Oh, see, now my brain's going. There's got to be like speakers in the place that like from the board, you know what I mean. Board mix. Yeah. Nice.

So we got Slipknot. Yeah. And what, are they doing anything special? I think I would really like it if they wore masks. They will be doing that. Yeah, perfect. But I mean, is there any like special set list? No, no, no, no.

I just, I, every time I've, we've done festivals with them. I, it's always like, oh, I'm in this shitty little space,

like not in the crowd that I can barely see, but I can hear and that's cool. Or I'm like miles back. So I would really like a nice view like, because I hear the show is phenomenal. Like I've seen videos. I would like to see it,

you know. From your, you can see it right down. Yeah, from the comfort of my loft department in Prague that my friend Craig might be at if he wants to. It's your dream, baby.

You want me there? Yeah. You want me there? I'd love to be there. Okay. Then who's the direct? I haven't thought that quick. Um, is it lame if I do say Gojira?

No. Because I really do like watching that band. That's the correct answer. Cool. If you weren't going to say that was going to fucking do Gojero like that. Anything special from them? No. No.

They just, whatever they can do. It's all perfect. Whatever they do, I will enjoy. This show fucking rules, by the way. Yeah. This should actually. happen. I feel like it's not that far off.

If there were more bands, it could make sense. But downtown Prague might be a little tough. I don't think they can house Slip-Nock crowd. Hey, if there's a god, he's going to make it happen. Okay, so then afterwards, what are you doing was your dream post, like what you're eating and what you're doing? Are you partying? You straight to bed.

You will partney's, as an example, because I'm still figuring out this format. sure was a big bowl of ramen oh and then straight to bed oh as much as i do enjoy that i wouldn't i don't want you have the same one it'd be boring yeah yeah i i'm taking a page from warp tour i would love like a barbecue with everybody oh i think that'd be nice where's is that in the square as well behind the stage yeah you know normies no i'm just kidding no um yeah um yeah i Outside, outside under the night sky. Slipk, Gajira, knock loose, teenage wrist. Yeah.

Me. Yeah, Craig. Miller Light. Espresso martinis. We're in Prague. Sounds awesome. The clock tower. The accommodation is an apartment, a loft apartment looking straight down at the stage.

Yeah. Did I miss anything? Oh, you said, Will said the whole crowd was. No, no. I was just to, he just brought that out. Yeah, that's, that's a him problem. That's cool. Your crowd can be more.

No, they can. Yeah. No, I think that's it. I think I would enjoy that a lot. I think that's a great festival. It's really got me in the move for an espresso martini. Amen. So I think we're going to go and do that.

Yeah. I probably should have talked about the EP more. Yeah, they can listen to it. Exactly. Go listen to it. Go watch the fucking video, actually. Tearing, a tear, a tear, a tear. In the fabric of life.

I didn't know if it was fabric or I knew it was fabric. A tear in the flannel of life. Who came up with a name? Right. Brilliant. Genius. Artistic. All three.

Great. Names. Oh, yeah. That's all him. That's all him. He's awesome. He's awesome. A fucking genius boy.

Let's go drink espresso martini. Cool. Sounds great. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Oh, I thought you were going to. Kevin Kane. The candy cane.

Kevin's such as a weird thing to call you. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you to everyone who listened. Podcast, Twitch. Goodbye.