The Downbeat - LANDMVRKS: DIY Metalcore, Metal via Mental Health Struggles, Viva La France!

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

My guests on the podcast this week are Flo and Kevin of LANDMVRKS. We talk About the struggles around making their new album ‘The Darkest Place I’ve Ever Been’, as well as Flo’s battle with anxiety, the importance of their role in France’s burgeoning metal scene, US ‘cuisine’…and graffiti

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with Shopify. Empeas to start your period of month in Shopify. coms bar records. What's up, guys. Welcome back to the Downbeat Podcast. My guests on the podcast this week are Flo and Kevin of Landmarks. We caught up just before they played an insane show in Nashville, Tennessee. I saw Flo do graffiti on stage.

It was crazy. We talk about graffiti. We talk about his checkered past with the law to do with graffiti. We talk about that unbelievable new album, The Darkest Place I've ever been. Incidentally, we talk about about what is the darkest place. Flow has ever been, his battle with anxiety, loads of stuff. It's really good chat. Side note, flow, as you'll find out in this podcast, is like a genius.

He's one of those people that does it all. He knows it all. His background's in hardcore. Landmarks is a metalcore band, but you can still hear those kind of pushes and stuff from like trapped under ice, that kind of hardcore. So I really wanted to pick his brains on that,

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Very bien, yeah, I was about to say Mooiebu, bien, that's wrong It's, how do I say, Yeah. I love you too. We love you too. You can say, uh,

common, it's the, how are you? Yeah, and we say, very good, how are you? And it's like a long exchange of,

it's a, it's like a long exchange of, yeah, yeah, it's pretty long. Comsi, like, what's Comsi,

like, yeah, exactly. But we never say that. You never, no one says it. No, no. No. We never said that.

You kind of said it, but when we met earlier, you were like, oh, we're a bit tired. That's come see, come, see, come so. Yeah, true. So, let's try it again. Sava. Come see, come so. Landmarks, Kev, Flo, welcome to the downbeat.

Thank you. Thank you. My boys. Yeah. I was just explaining to Madison how much I love you guys. Oh. Musically and as people. So I really appreciate you coming in.

Yeah. Same we love you, bro. and I'm appreciating you coming in this late into a tour. Yeah, seem pretty tired. We are, actually. We just woke up. Actually, yeah. I didn't feel tired until yesterday.

Yesterday it hit me. It's 416. You just woke up. I mean, I woke up at one. Like Julian just woke me up, like, bro. You need to. Some check. Yeah, like set up the drums.

The more you go into the tour, The more you fall asleep late for some reason, at least for me. Yeah, same. So yesterday I full sleep at 4 a.m. That's normal. We go to bed about 2. And then on tour I'll go to bed. Sometimes on tour I'll go to bed at like 6.

Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, it happened to me. But then I wake up at 2 p.m. And then you have to go immediately to soundcheck. Yeah. Or immediately to downbeat. Did you not sound check today?

Not him. Oh, you do the version. virtual check yes they did and no i mean kevin and all the boys did the song check but i i didn't like if i'm just waking off my voices it's not wish i was him that's so sick yeah bro i have on this tour i have no drum tech so what on a headliner yeah it's a small headline what the fuck though bro so that's why you no drum tech setting your own drums up yeah hardcore that's the hardcore part of metalcore yeah and and tonight we strike the drums because the stage is too small so you're just having a bad time it is a small venue tonight yeah i mean it is but we love them because yeah

yeah feels like right now in the us for us um capacities are around i mean in terms of ticket sales it's around five to six hundred yeah say and sometimes it can go a little bit uh less or more and And within this capacity, I'd rather have like a tiny packed venue like that one instead of a 1K venue, but only 5 or 600 in. Yeah, definitely. And then in Europe, like, how many kids do you pull in Europe? Like, it's a lot. Now it's big. Because we have a headline tour in December.

Yeah. It's around like 3 or 4,000 to 4,000. Yeah. Everywhere. I think. Everywhere we play this December. Yeah. That's so sick.

Rob, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's insane. But then it's like fun to come and play the small shows because we just did that where we did a festival run. Yeah. Where obviously you're playing a 10, we played a bunch of shows with you. Yeah.

We had a lovely night. Yes. We might get into. I've got a great photo that I'm going to have to put up. But like, you play like the 10,000 and then you play like the club shows in the places that you're known, 2000, 3,000. And then you play like, I think we played a place called Mainz, Germany. And it was like,

120 kids in a shoebox. Yeah. And it was my favorite show of tour. Oh, yeah. Every time. I don't remember like last week, we asked for like no. No crotch barrier, no barricade. Yeah.

Barricade. Did you say crash barrier? Yeah. It doesn't make sense. It makes sense. Definitely not what it's called. I love it. We say that in French.

Oh, we say, oh, the crash barrier. Wait, you call it crash barrier or there's a French word for it. But we say crash barrier. Oh, no, we say crush barrier. Yeah. Crash barrier. Amazing. Anyway, yeah. You asked for it. Did you get it? Yeah. And it was like crazy. Oh yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Our favorite shows are always the small hardcore shows.

Like people came on stage, grab the Flos mic and it was like a featuring. Yeah. Featting. Oh no. Like the Nikos Mike and the guy was like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For a not. It's just a guy. Just the guy. Sometimes it's not the right lyrics, but whatever. We saw Brighman Horizon like last week. Yeah. You know, they do that thing. where they pull up someone for karaoke version of the song. This kid didn't know a single word. I saw, I just saw, how'd you say, oppressed something about that, but I didn't see the video, actually, the actual video.

It's crazy, but he's like making upwards. Like, some of him is kind of sick. Freestyling. But it's like antivist, so it's like, you know, one of the biggest choruses, and he was just going, raw! It was fucking sick.

Like everyone knows. the words of that song, except him. I don't know how they did it as well, because they had it like guitar hero. So, like, when he got the stuff wrong, it was saying missed, missed in the background. And it worked, like, it was actually in time. Okay. Okay. Some crazy magic shit.

Whoa. That's bring me. It can do whatever. They can do whatever. But while we're on the subject of hardcore shows. Yeah. Metalcore shows. I think the reason for me that you guys are.

in my opinion one of the best metalcore bands out now is because you've still got hardcore in there like there's still the fast bits and I was thinking about it today like because metalcore now like I love all types of metalcore but there is definitely

metal core as it's become the radio friendly here's a breakdown low tune stuff and then you've still got like the metallic hardcore thing. And I was trying to think today what I think can separate it. And I think it's the pushes.

Like a riff that goes, bam, but a da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ba-ba- like, you know, like pushes. You don't get those in like the other type of metal core. Yeah, yeah, true, true. And you guys are like one of the only bands that I can think of that are like modern metal core big,

but you still got other than like maybe knock loose, but like you've still got those pushes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's right? True, true. It's because of you. I mean, this specific thing, it's not only me. It might be the drum and bass section,

so Kevin and Rudy. I mean, the hardcore side is my side. Yeah, I'm a hardcore kid. I grew up listening to hardcore. And I still listen to hardcore and I still write hardcore. You did it yesterday night. Yeah, I'm trying right now to write a hardcore side project that I only write a wide on I'm on tour. Nice.

Because I know that I won't do it at home and that we got pretty much the whole day after Suncheck to do whatever when we are on a headline tour. So I'm like, I should, I just push a little bit to try to write. I'm trying to write something else than landmarks because it's been such a long time. since I didn't. Yeah. And I think I'm convinced that if I'm trying to do something else, it will improve my songwriting with landmarks at the end. So I'm trying to, how do you say,

to push myself to do those kind of stuff. Obviously that's cool. But then when you write for that project, what if there's a riff that's really good? And then, like, you have to write the next landmarks record. Like, you put out that EP, I imagine it is, or is it a whole record? If you do that, then you know, you can't have that riff. Are you going to worry, you're going to run out riffs?

Good question. Yes. Yeah, yeah, I'm basically, maybe I'm fucked. I don't know. Or have you gone, like, really hardcore, like stuff that... I try to be, like, specific on this project. I try to be old school, madball, terror. Oh, yeah, like...

groovy style trapped in the rise hardcore so there's some rift like that in landmarks too like backtrack raves and stuff the backtrack t ui yeah is clear to me the parts that i'm thinking of where that keeps you in the in the hardcore world are all like t u i could have wrote that but maybe like down tuned oh yeah exactly but i'm i'm trying to know yeah yeah yeah my It might be a problem at some point, but with this project, I try to not overthink. I'm like, here's a cool riff. And then it's pretty simple. It's nothing crazy.

It's nothing like new or something. I'm just having fun. So I'm pretty sure that it won't compete, if that makes sense, with landmarks where I'm more like I'm trying to figure out a riff for hours and hours, trying to find a perfect riff and stuff. like with this project, I'm just doing whatever comes. I mean, I just did two songs for now. So we'll see. But those groovy stuff and like pushes, like you said,

I try to include the, include songs, but I remember that for example, in death, featuring Drew, featuring Drew, which is on insane, which is one of our favorite song. This riff, when it goes learned, dun dun, that's the kind of thing you're talking about. Yeah. And that was Rudy, it's a bit boring.

Let's try a, like a bassist in the basest mind. You can see Rudy doing anything. And then it's one of the things that makes the riff to me. So I write most of the, I write the core of the song and then I need help from everyone to to add the spice. And without the spice, the song is not as good. so I'm really glad to have my boys in this band too. They're all very talented and they're all a very different way of thinking.

So, yeah, I think we compliment each other really well. I'm gonna. And, like my music, my hair changed with me and has to be able to be able to keep my rhythm. For so, Potion Nine, of Sebastian Professional, has all what my hair needs. Nutrition Profunda, protection contraption against the encrespaid,

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what sets you apart from all those bands because there's there's the blueprint for the type of

other metal core which is architects in my opinion that's the blueprint for the

chuggy and they had the push it's back in the day because they came from

from hard core and it went away but i feel like you guys and i love i love them for the for my like 10 out of 10 band in that genre of metal core and then i think you guys are my 10 out of 10 fuller maybe maybe hate breed but like you guys are like in between the two yeah yeah architect's metal core and the hate breed metal core and it's like landmarks in the middle well thank you yeah which is sick and that's that's mostly you like correct me if i'm wrong were you originally the guitarist? Yeah. How long did that go? Who was singing? So first, I mean, I was the guitarist before the name of the band was Landmarks. Oh, okay. When I started the band,

I had a hardcore project and I was the singer of this of this band. And that wasn't my first thing. My first thing was guitar, always. That was always guitar. And for this hardcore band, we, we were three guitarist in the band basically so someone had to to sing at some point i was like i'm i want to play guitar live i want to play guitar in a band so uh and that's that's that's the that's the point where i discovered metalcore basically kill switch engage park way drive it's not easy to say and um all those bands and um i how'd you say i looked for uh other members i i look for a band we were at the same school at this moment we were in the same classroom. Oh yeah, true. True. And you were, he was like just writing songs by himself, like

drums, bass, guitar. And you were singing also, I think. So I'm, I wrote all the songs I wanted to play. Yeah. And then I then I looked for members. You were like, okay, I need a band to play my songs. Yeah, exactly. And so I found some and we rehearsed for two years like that, me as a guitarist. And we looked for a singer, for a singer. We tried 20, I guess, singers. And so the tricky thing is that those singers weren't bad. It's just that I already put some vocals on those songs, most of the songs. And they weren't as good as you.

It's not as it wasn't as good. It's like everything compares different to my. He can't say it, but we can. Yeah, no, it wasn't your vision. Every no one was matching up to the vision. So yeah, I was like, no, not that way, not that way, not that way. And so the boys at some point said, bro, we rehearsed for two years now. We, we, we want to play live shows, just, just sing the song.

Like, just be the singer. And we, we call Nico to be the guitarist. So that's, that's where, that's where it happens. So Nico joined the band and, um, and Nico is, as visions, you know, has a vision, has a, he has the big. He's a beautiful man. Oh, yeah. It's a band for the hoties. French hotties.

French women normally praised for being the hoties. But this is a band of French hoties. If you say so. This motherfucker right here, I thought you were going to wear mesh today. This is the first time I haven't seen you wearing a mesh top. You're going to wear a mesh? You dressed down. Normally he's got some fucking slutty little chain mail on.

True. Where is it? Oh, it's dead. It's like Kev is so fast like jumping into different phase. Yeah. Now you're out of that. You're in a sports phase now. No, it's just today.

No. No, no. Is in Duolipa phase now. No, I know that. We're going to come to that. I got fucking questions on the, fuck, the Duolipa stuff. I have new shirts. New New New New New shirt.

I went to the pop-up store in Los Angeles. So. Let's just do it right now. What is the deal with the, like, you're obsessed? I don't know. Yeah. Is it with the music or just to? Both.

Yeah. Okay. Where did it come from? I don't know. I just discovered this girl and was like, wow. No one knows. I'm not you got either. You're either wearing mesh.

Like a cool mesh top and I'm like, I wish I could pull that off. Or you've got to do a little top. Sure. Are you buying bootlegs? Are they real? No. Some are real. Some are not.

It's supposed to be your queen and you're stealing off her. I'm just like, if I'm in the shop, there is a jewelry per show. I'm like, I have to grow up. Yeah. You wear them on stage or not? No, you got her. I saw her last year. You say you were on stage?

Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. All the time. Now, it's like every night. All the time. Like one show you had. I have the cap.

The cup. And now I have the jersey. At the same time, you had the cap, the shirt. Yeah. And maybe something else right. No, no. No. I have a tattoo.

Yeah. That's just her. I need a photo of that author so you can put it on the pod. That's just a... Dua. Okay, okay. I'm really saying this.

That's fucking insane. It's not only me because I have Dua. I'm sure there's a... There is another guy in the planet. He has Lippa on his leg. Oh, true. It's Queenie from 1056. Oh, yeah, true.

So we were on tour together. Fucking French again. Yeah. What the fuck. We just love her. Well, good for you. That's it. But now it's more like...

I think it's more like a joke now. Yeah. I want to keep... Okay, just don't abduct her and do anything crazy because your band's doing good. Oh, I could join your band actually. actually please do please get arrested for this the darkest place i've ever been where is it it's your place that's straight where is it let's preface it that's not

really my fucking question that's your latest record yeah seems pretty depressed yeah are you good good now yeah was it written in the darkest place you've ever been oh yeah yeah actually actually i never really talked about it like they they they most of most of the press they you're kind of afraid of asking the question. I'll get to you, baby. I've been struggling a lot those past three years for some reason. It's getting, it was getting worse and worse and worse.

And so the thing is that I have some anxiety, some fears and stuff. And at some point, it just hit a level. that I will never expect that I was kind of, of, of, just paralyzed of anything. I didn't want it to grab a guitar anymore, to talk about anything music related anymore. And why I'm talking about music is that

at this time I tried to write the album and I couldn't, for the first time in my life, I couldn't write any good, good song for a year. And the more I tried, the more I got depressed because I felt like I lost it somehow. So it came from many things. Like the first thing is that I worked too much for 10 years straight,

too much work in my life in personal, like at the studio. Music work. Music, music, music work. That was my, my, My work was producing bands and landmarks. You were also doing like the rack. He's doing.

Yeah, landmarks. Landmarks is a lot of work and my studio. And I did for 10 years or eight years and without taking any vacation without no stop. And it drives me crazy at some point. I didn't expect that it drove me crazy and but it did. And after that, I got I got one main fear, anxiety, is I'm claustrophobic.

And I never tried to figure this out. I never tried to heal this. I just put myself into work a lot more to avoid this fear that is pretty simple. Like, I don't want to be in a close... Like a bandwagon. Yeah, for example. But it's not that simple, obviously. It's like, there's a fear going, that is going into another one, another one, another one, another one.

And suddenly you're going out in the street and you feel claustrophobic, but you are... Oh. But there's a... Okay. I don't know anything about claustrophobia. Yeah. It's just crazy. It's just, it's just a social anxiety.

It's just like anyone and any others. But it can get pretty bad when you're a touring musician. Yeah. So, and I try to avoid the thing, the question, like for years and years and years. And at some point, we had a pretty stressful year or six months between like going to Australia, not having the visas, going to America, and taking a lot of planes. taking a lot. So for me was a lot.

Yeah, lots of tour. A lot of stress. A lot of stress. And you have to write the new album. Writing at the same time. At the same time. Yeah. At the same time.

So at some point my brain went, somehow I felt it like a panic attack. I did a lot of panic attack before, but this one was strong. Strongest. Where were you? I was in my bed. Shit.

Yeah. Not even like an airport or something. No. I was in my bed the day before. before we went, we were supposed to go to Australia. I mean, we, we, we did, we went to Australia. I don't know how to say that properly, but the day before Australia. You're saying it great.

Okay. I was just, all right, this is tomorrow. You're going to take three planes, a lot of things that you don't like, like elevators, subways, airport security, airport, and you're going to go to hotels, elevators, into hotels and stuff. And you didn't, like you didn't fix your anxiety whatsoever. Like, it's at your maximum pick right now.

And, and you're a piece of shit for not doing it. Like, it's tomorrow now. Yeah. And boom, it happened like that. So Kevin was there. Kevin slept at my house

and my flat this day. When was it? This year? No, no, no. It was. Oh, first time. First time in Australia. Yeah.

Yeah. He slept in the living room, but I didn't say anything. I just woke up and tried to calm myself. But it lasts those kind of big hit last for days and weeks. And then you're afraid of having another anxiety attack or stuff. And I was like, I was just so tired of all of this. And it was just so painful to write music in this state. Yeah. It was just too painful. So at some point, I was like, I just should talk about how insanely hard it is for me to write this album right now into my album. So let's make it the subject of the album.

It's, anyway, it's just, I mean, it's just obvious. Yeah. Felt obvious at some point. And when I figured this out, when I, when I'm, when I wrote, I mean, at some point, I remember during a tour, I was like, I have the name of the album. It's the darkest place I've ever been. I just have to write the song now, the song, the darkest I've ever been. And I tried during the store to write the song.

And when I finished this song, I was a little bit more. All right. All right. I know where are we going right now. I have a better vision of what I'm doing. Because basically I don't feel that good doing the album, not doing it, not being able to do the album was like influencing and like feeding my anxiety and my anxiety was feeding the new songs of the album and it build up like that until the album is done and I feel a lot better now and I feel a lot

more confident and I love the album. It's crazy you did like some weird self therapy. Yeah, I can't write this song, wait, I need to write this song about how I can't write this song And it like repeats like that. Yeah. I'm sorry you went through that, but it, a banger. Thank you. You made a banger out of it. Thank you.

And I was wondering where the darkness came from. But you touched on something there, which I struggle with, always, which is overworking. Yeah. Especially as like a creative. Yeah. Because I think it's when, when you are trying to make your name or your career in this whole thing, you have to grind. for no money and then when the money starts coming you don't take a step back no because you have

the fear if i stop this is all going to stop yeah so you just keep going and going and going and i've had very similar things to what you're talking about particularly when a tour is coming up yeah and i have worked myself to the bone up to that day and then something like traveling is becomes the last straw in my head where I just go, ping, like, I'm fucking done. Yeah. But it's like a common thing in creatives that we just don't know how to stop.

Yeah, we don't know how to handle ourselves, I guess, to... Because once you do it, so one of the main reason I feel a lot better now is that I have a girlfriend, which is the best girlfriend in the world. Same, bro. Same, bro. And this girl,

saved me because for the first time in my life I wanted to do things with her and take some rest with her and she was like let's just go two days just not two weeks let's just go two days off somewhere and not working and chilling and watching TV and going outside and and and just sleeping and stuff I was like never done that we're the same fucking person look at her smiling over there. Same thing. Same thing. Good job.

Good job. She's like, no, you need to stop working right now and we're going to just watch this show. And I'm like, yeah, but I got this. And she's like, nope. Nope. You're going to stop right now. And once you, you did that, like, you realize it's a really good thing for your brain.

Yeah. For your work also. And yeah, when you come back, you're like, okay, I'm ready to go. And after I wait until the next time, I'm forced to take a break. Which I'm pretty sure is coming. Pretty soon. Look at that face. she's nodding her head

it's coming pretty soon I'm working pretty fucking hard good good for you I'm still on the record and anyway let's stay on that song for a second yeah

so that includes all of the things that I was talking about about your band still having the push is the kind of hardcore thing but then there's kind of like

almost like a little black metal thing yeah yeah it's the it's new for us it's new I mean it's new in the landmarks album

but that's what's what is funny is that Kevin comes from a background where it's like I'm a prompt rocker. I'm a hip-hop man and stuff. I don't want double pedals. I'll just say double pedals.

Yeah. Is that the right thing? And now it's like, let's just do let. I'm like, yesterday he's like, I'm learning this technique. Yeah, I try to learn Hill to. I'm like, one day I'll play like, to do doubles. Yeah. So I'm like, one day we will play 30, 300 BPA. So we can do. I want to do that Austin Archie. It's because of him. It's because of him. He was the last two guests that we had in here. Yeah, because we played with Lorna Shore this. Oh, okay, okay. So I was like, he's fucking nuts. Yeah. Oh yeah. And so you told me that, like, can you do that? I'll do that. I'll do that. Is 200 too much for it? Or is that, is it fine? What's what's? Yeah. 200 is okay. He's fast to a he's crazy. Oh yeah, yeah.

No, but I know. But so yeah, when I write song, is it, is it, is it fine? I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, it's too fast, but let's do it. Yeah, that's the way to get better. Yeah. Yeah. Every album we're like, we're going to push. So we're not like black metal fan, but I still listen to some black metal album. And I kind of like in death metal, black metal and all in between like metalic, Swedish things and stuff. I kind of like all the ambians, the medallies, the kind of, they do stuff that are like really specific in my opinion. that feels like different melodies than what we do in France, in the US and stuff.

I like those. I don't know. It's something different in my brain. So I have a question later on, which I'm just going to torch the question now because I think you've just answered it. Okay. Because I know that you write the majority of the songs,

the main bulk of the song. I was going to ask you how you pick your core progressions because I don't know that much about theory side of things, but you always pick not the obvious note that something's going to but it's the one my brain wants to hear oh let's go i like that i like that maybe and i like i maybe it's that that if you're picking out of like swede like at the gate swedish death metal yeah i it's every time though there's a vocal there's a vocal melody or even like a riff and it you know i get the you get if anyone doesn't know you know when you've listened to enough music

music. Yeah. There's a prediction in your head at the third note normally. It'd be note one, note two, whether or not it's a guitar riff or a vocal. Yeah. And then there is what the basic bitch is going to pick for note three. Yeah. And then my brain is always like, I really hope this riff goes here.

And nine times out of ten with other bands, it doesn't go there. And you always go to the note that I want. But I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. We might have the same taste. Yeah. Or growing up listening to some bands. I don't know.

I listened a lot to those Swedish bands like, yeah, in flames. But you're not using them traditionally in like an inflamesy riff that much. It's like even on a vocal and on a like a big sang chorus, your third note choice is always what I want. It's so weird. Sick. All right. I don't know. I can't explain it and neither can use.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But it's funny, you mentioned that when you're like. I'm always trying. Of course, everyone's trying to not be to. Copy. Yeah. Is that makes sense?

Yeah, too predictable. Yeah, predictable, yeah. I mean, I don't think everyone is, most people are just picking the note that works easiest. I think so. You do yourself a disservice. You pick very good notes. Okay, thank you.

That's the whole point. We would try, always trying. And I guess since we have so many different influences in the band, it's not that difficult to not be predictable. Because we're like, Nico is like, yeah, let's do her. Nico is into Bloom 182 and Paul and the St. Wave and Death Corps. He did a Death Corps and I, like people wouldn't expect that I listen to a Gargrew album. But I did.

Satan. Because of that video It's something so good Satan If anyone hasn't seen that fucking video I've got a girl from God I've got a girl from Gorgoroff story Already

I've got a fucking great story So the guy you know the video With the they ask him What's Gorgorov's main influence And there's a massive pause He's got his glass of wine And he just goes Satan

I'd like to start by just You telling us What is the The primary ideology or primary ideas that fuel Gorgoroth Gorberoth's music Satan

and it's sick and then there's actually I think there's a follow-up question but I can't remember what gets said but I used to work at plastic head music distribution in a warehouse when I was like 20 and which is 18 years ago

Candlelight Records was based there so we did all the candlelight nuclear blast all of the metal labels so I like I would spend almost all the money I earned just buying records or whatever from bands. One day, the warehouse,

so Garl is the singer, was the singer for two albums of Gorgoroth. He's now in Garl's word. He's also like a bucket list guest for me on here. Not only his contribution to blackmail. He fucking tortured a guy and made him drink his own blood. He got away with it, okay?

Apparently it was a twisted story, but I'd love to get that story out. So he's like quote on quote, an evil black metal guy but not one of the racist ones and he's gay which is insane for like not in general insane but like in black metal yeah have a fun a gay guy oh yeah really the most blasphemous thing you can do so respect one day the so that now you've got a story of who gal is one day the warehouse phone goes at plastic head and i pick up and he goes and i can't remember if it was red or white so my story might

be wrong but I'm pretty sure it was red pick it up I'm just the guy that works in the warehouse I'm just picking CDs I'll pick up the warehouse phone and a voice goes why are you printing gogar off merchandise on red t-shirts and I was like I'm sorry can I help you and the guy's like if if you print gogorov on red t-shirt I will fucking kill you just I'm just a guy in the fucking warehouse and I was like let me just get my manager. And I was like, and I go to my manager, Jan, who was like an ex-police woman, but she was like the nicest little tiny woman. I'm like, Jan, she's like, yes, Craig. And I'm like, pretty sure Giles on the phone. And he's not very happy. And then she picks up, hello, Jan speaking.

And I, who knows what the conversation went. And it ends up we couldn't print their t-shirts on. Oh, that's insane. But that was a thing. Sorry to derail you that. No, no, that's insane. Like, it's those, those bands, they have like, that's, they, they do crazy music because they are crazy. You can feel it. It's not just the, the character. They're different. Yeah, well, yeah, definitely.

And I feel like that kind of plays into the French thing. I think French people are very different in a good way. Okay. From, like, what is traditional metal? Like traditional metal, other than, like, Sweden. And I feel like there is a resurgence coming of French artists. And what you pick for notes or whatever might be slightly different. You might be inventing a new...

I don't know. You tell it yourself, like Swedish mellow death, like... French thing? Is there a fucking name there? French something. I can pick out of your record, there are... There's a black metal influence on a couple of parts, particularly on the first track.

title track. Yeah. That was a fucking Lincoln Park. Yeah, there was a couple of linkers in there. It's great. It's fucking great. Yeah. You were shaking your head like that's a bad thing.

No, I mean, it's just, I love Lincoln Park so much. On this album, I was like, let's not acting like, I don't. Like, I, yeah, we're like, we're going to. Or like, we don't. Obviously, we all love Lincoln Park. Yeah. So let's just, let's just act like, we love Lincoln Park. And we're going to show you.

We're going to show you how, what's our interpretation of, what Lincoln Park did to us. Let's show you what Lincoln Park did to us. Because obviously at some point, people were like, oh, you sounds like Chester. Are you, you something? And I'm like, yeah, like I grew up listening to Chester 20 hours a day. So maybe why. Yeah, trying. Yeah.

Did you deliberately try and put more. Is it the great unknown? Is that the name of the song? Yeah. The great unknown is... Did you try and just slam even more Chester into that? Because there's one line where I'm like, that could be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the Great Unknown is a song that were originally wrote by Nico and Kevin. That's one of the song that the core of the song is Nico and Kevin. And to summarize this song, the demo version, the name of the demo version was called Blinkin Park. All right. I love a good demo name. Love it. Blinkin Park.

So funny. All right. So the, wait, where's the blink? The intro is like, but is it like this, maybe it's box car racer.

It's box car racer. Yeah, the intro is like the same thing, same guitar. We all, with Nico, because at some point we were like stuck

in writing music. Yeah. And we were like, yo, Nico, let's just go to the studio and write a song, maybe it's not for landmarks.

Just have fun. Is this why he's having a bad time? I think. Right. Probably. Oh yeah. Yeah, because you were like, guys, I need you. Just give me some stuff.

Yeah, give me, give me stuff to. And at some point we're like, just do what you're the best at. So Nico loves blink. I love it too. So we're like, let's write a punk rock song without thinking of like landmarks and things. Yeah, yeah, without pressure. So we tried, yeah, box car racer, blink, transplant, all the...

It's funny because to me, it doesn't come across like any of those. No, because after you change some stuff, you change the chorus, you change a lot of stuff. I might change something, but at first it sounded like more like blink. The thing is, it's like when I heard the first demo, I was like, it's obviously blink, obviously Lincoln Park. Oh, okay, so you had to... Yeah. So I put a little bit more of Lincoln Park in it and I was like, this is a homage song. Is that makes sense?

Yeah, yeah. Like, let's just push it to the limit, to the limit until people say it's basically a homage. Is that makes sense? Yeah, yeah. We're one of those words that we also have. We'll have that one, homage. Homage. Love it.

Let's just try not to hide the influence in this song. Yeah. Try not to put too much landmarks. Let's just do something simple and something fun. What was the reaction about? People loved it. So most of people like, thank you for the Lincoln Park and blink. Some people notice the boxcar race.

Yeah, of course. And thank you for that because it's time now. It's been 20, 20 years since the first, since hybrid terror. Yeah, the coffee with us, people never say like, oh, fuck you, it's Lincoln Park. They are more like, oh, thank you. So that's like the roots of metal is like what was your, you know, what you listened to growing up. Let's emulate that. Yeah.

And now it's there, I mean, now that Chester is gone. And there's a new Lincoln Park and they're doing really good, in my opinion. People are not, what do you say? They are not like trashing us or something to doing the hybrid theory or metheora that they want. Yeah, because they will never exist again. Yeah. Yeah. And they want it.

They want it because people are aged. wanted. So they're like, thank you for that. That's, that's a fun song. That's not like, that's not landmarks like, yeah, song. But it's just a fun song in the album. And I did it. You did it really well. It's a great song. I was playing it to Madison on the way here. She loved it. Thank you. She was like, she knew the song that you were on with Drew. Sorry, Drew was on your song. And I was like, I think you'll really like, but then we put it on the car. And she was like, oh my God, it's really good. Thank you. Thank you so much. Big Lincoln Park fan.

And if anyone's got this far into the podcast and you don't know the band, go check them out. I mean, good for you for staying this long. But I mean it when I say it's like, it's a crazy word, but it's kind of, I was going to say groundbreaking metal core, but it kind of is. Like it is, you are pushing, you're pushing metal core, in my opinion. Cool. Not staying where it is. Thank you. Just give me more black metal, though.

We will. We will. Definitely. We will. for example gojira wasn't wasn't even an influence since few years ago yeah for you but i know them since yeah but one day we like it clicked well like why is it why is it the best band in the world yeah it's number one for me in terms of like modern metal yeah yeah yeah yeah insane and it clicked for me and nico you you listen to well like all right all right okay let's let's dive more into

Because what we like, we like metal. We don't like... I mean, we like everything. We like duolipa. We like pop. We like hip-hop and stuff. But the roots, the core, we like metal music. So, let's write good riffs.

Let's write good stuff. Let's write some guitars. It's a bit guitar driven. Let's not just do something else that we don't like. Most of bands nowadays do, that we respect. But there's there's there's there's there's there's a part of me when I can't hear the guitar that is like No, it's not it's not it's not it's like it's like it's cliche say that it's cliche I know but it's not It's not not not by like can't hear the guitar like when it's just chugs no no no no I mean like I

I I like we love riffs we like we like we like the guitars we like the drums the bass the vocals And even even even I mean it's it's a little bit how'd you say hypocrite hypocrite. Hypocrite. Apocrite to say that because we got a lot of hip-hop parts, electronic and stuff. But we like

a good metal band. I was talking about Gojira. They're just doing the same thing since 20 years. Basically with that, just a riff, a good riff and a good drum pattern. And they're one of the biggest band in the world. And it's inspiring to see that

being metal, really metal, having a metal way of writing song can lead you to the biggest stadium and stuff. And not even if I'm a huge, huge fan of Bring Me the Horizon, for example. Like, I'm a really huge fan since the first album and not going to Bring Me the Horizon way trying to please everyone. That's my point.

If you're trying to please everyone, there might be a scenario when no one, like that's how I always feel about just in general when people say have you got any advice for like a young band and I'm like make music that you love exactly because you're going to enjoy making it and you're more likely to do it forever instead of you write music that you think someone else wants to hear yeah then it becomes a chore to play it to write it to do without all the mental gymnastics involved and then when it doesn't pop off like you think it is yeah then you're going to get disheartened and then give up.

And also, if you're writing songs based on what you think people want to hear now, by the time anyone's heard your song, like, that's old. It's too late. Yeah, it's too late. You're jumping on the current trains.

You talk about Bring Me, but they are the only band knows how to do this music. It's their music. They're always ahead of the time. Yeah, exactly. You're going to try to sound like Bring Me? It's too late.

It's too late. They got shit when they sort of half changed. Yeah. But that's like my favorite bring me stuff is the new stuff. Like I do sometimes go back to the old stuff, but I think that's their best work. Like it combines everything they can, they, they learn to, to do. They're crazy.

That's an insane band. But my point was like, do whatever you, you like. And we were like, we like Lincoln Park. We like Eminem. So yeah. We're like riffs at some way. We like Metallica. Let's do it.

Let's do what we like, what we love. When he was a bit lost, he was like just, okay, have you liked hip-hop? Do you hear the song like Sombre says in the... Simon Says? Yeah, Sombre 16 said. No, I thought you were saying Simon Says by Pharaoh Monch. Yes, I do know that song. So in our album, we have like a...

The hip-hop and solutes in the album. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, on your record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were in the, like, residence, like... In a house, rented house to write music? Yeah, so... And at some point I was like, you know what, I'm gonna write a hip-hop. song for no reason.

And Flo was like, that's sick. That's the best thing. And he was like, it's going to be on the album. I'm like, bro, you know how to write a beat, do a beat, do a lot of beats. And then we'll figure out how can you, we can do that in the album. We just did what we know. I think the best example of that on your record of the two things combined, it's got a big creature.

Yeah. Right. That intro is the sickest. fucking thing. Thank you. I just got fucking, my hair's just stood up because I was thinking about the intro.

Oh, that fucking intro is so good. Thank you. It's, thank you, bro. Thank you. It starts with legit French hip-hop.

And then it goes super heavy. Yeah. It's, how don't you be doing the hip-hop thing? Same as metal. We grew up as, as kids with my friends when we were, I don't know,

like 12 or, or something. We met at school, we met at school. And one of my best friend actually was into slip knot and all those new metal band and all the bands like it because he had, so this guy had a, what do you say, a brother, old brother. So he had a big collection of CD at home.

And so he showed me Cypress Hill, Eminem. How old are you? 12, 13. How old are you right now? Right now, I'm 34 right now. Yeah, this sounds very, very similar to exactly my upbringing those bands. Yeah, let's go. The big brother.

Cypress Hill had done rock superstar. Exactly. What made me go like, oh, wait a minute. Exactly. This is cool. Exactly. Sorry, so that's why. So we did all those hip-hop and rock bands at the same time.

Yeah. we practiced guitar and rap at the same time with my friends so we did rap shows and stuff we had a little what you say a little crew of a freestyle that's cool i think there's something uniquely great about the french way of speaking that lends itself to hip-hop like i don't really know that much french hip-hop yeah but i can't tell you when i've heard french hip-hop and thought it was bad every time I'm like, this is fucking sick. Who is it? And someone tells me the name, and I forget it immediately.

Oh, really? And when we did clockworked, which flow is on, it was like, we had this breakdown. It was like 165 BPN. And all of us were talking about this vocal thing needs to be like a machine gun. Like, and we were like, who do we get? And everyone just went flow. That was sick. Thank you.

Thank you. You've got that machine gun. Machine gun chops. Machine gun chops. I like that. I grew up listening Eminem. So it just influenced me a lot. I guess. I practiced on Eminem. That's why I'm able to do it, I guess.

Oh, really? I practiced. I was in my bedroom practicing in front of my mirror. You ever get, uh, you ever try rapping? No. No, just the beats. Yeah. There's always one. There's always the beats guy. It's too hard. I'm doing a little bit of scratch. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No way. Yeah. Yeah. I'm doing it. That's so sick. Who's the piano? while we're on this. The piano is a friend of us called Kaspar. He's a really, really talented,

multi-instrumentist from Paris. Yeah. A really good friend from Kevin. Yeah. Is he writing those interludes or is that you? He is, it is, it depends. It depends. Sometimes we have a raw ID and it's like,

but this time he came to the studio. Where did you record? Marseille. In Marseille, at my studio. The record is recorded. it yours? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who mixed it?

It's like, everything. What the fuck? Bro, that mix is so, I mean, I know that I knew you did this. You mixed, you and Julian mixed stray, or you mixed and Julian recorded Stray's live album. Yeah. So I knew you had the chops. I just assumed it wasn't you. It was me.

He was hard. Every album. But thank you. Thank you. Fuck. Yeah. Tried my best. Man, no wonder you were so fucking stressed.

You got too much shit going on in your brain. That's crazy. Yeah. It was hard, but I'm really happy with the result. Especially the drum. I really like the drum. It's weird and great at the same time, but natural. I like it.

I mean, natural. Like, did you reference any particular records for the mix? Or did you just go? No, I, no, not really. No, because I referenced a lot of my records to do different. The last landmarks record should do different. And because we have a studio, we have time, we are not like doing, oh, this week is the drum.

So it can be, we are doing song by song. Okay. So sometimes it's not the same drum, not the same snare. You have new symbols. Can be one month. Yeah, I'd have a panic attack mixing that. Yeah. That must have been horrible.

Oh, yeah. And flow sometimes is like, oh, the drum sounds insane today. Yeah. You don't know why. It's just, it depends. Yeah. Was that not a nightmare the mix? It is, it is.

Trying to have a method, insistency. Yeah. But since Kev like try, it likes to try things. So we're like, let's try another, let's try another snare. And what I do is that I have my, so I mixed one song, two songs, three songs, four songs. And for the five songs, we try another snare and another kick. or another tuning. And I'm like, all right, I tried to, what do you say?

To put those files in the session now and try to see how it interacts with the triggers and the mix and stuff. And there's that one song that sounds insane for no reason better than my first mix. Yeah, so the mix was supposed to be for another song and you put the tracks on this song. you go back and try and change the rest. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. I try to. And I think that's why the album, even though it's a metal core sound, like very polished

and stuff, but that's why it has a little bit of life in it that I'm really proud of. It's very, one thing that stood out for me, which is why I wanted to know who mixed it, was the space between all the instruments. Ah, cool. It's crazy. Like, I can hear everything Kevin is doing. Yeah. I can hear when you've got a riff and then there'll be some dissonant harmonics added to the riff.

Like I hear when they come in even, you know, I don't want to keep saying it, but like the Gojera thing where it's like a little bit, yum, yum, yeah. And then there's like another dissonant note that comes in. Like you hear that come in. Cool. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm fucking blown away.

Thank you so much. I can't fucking gas you up too much, but fuck me. And you don't have to answer this. because he's right there. You get compensated for that correctly, as in you get paid studio time? No. No.

Yeah. So as you know, because if people don't know, a record like this costs like upwards of 20 grand to make. Yeah, normally. So I never, I never ask anything.

What the fuck? Yeah. For landmarks. And as you know, so now Tom is our manager. Yeah. So, It was like, it was like, it's the same.

It's like, what? Yeah. Never ask anything for doing all this stuff. And I was like, no, because everyone is working for the band. And I think, never, no one asked anything. Like, for example, Nico, yeah. It was basically the manager. It's still co-managing with Tom, right?

And never ask any, any money for that. Right. Because you are more like, we need this money for the band anyway. Yeah, obviously. Until now. Let's keep this money for doing music videos and stuff. Yeah. But Tom this time said, nope, you're going to get a little something.

Yeah, I think that's the right move. Yeah, because even though you don't think it, that will definitely tie into your mental health later on. When you come to do this again, it will be like, I'm going to make a little bit of extra money. And it takes a little bit of stress off it. Yeah, true. And also, you're doing a fucking crazy job.

Thank you. You can just quit and mix stuff. Yeah, I like that. I love it. I love doing mix and producing bands. I always loved it. It's just that I did it too much at some point. Yeah, probably for free.

I'm having a panic attack. Why? I've recorded six bands. I didn't charge any of them. I forgot. Yeah, fine. Yeah, well. I used to record,

and it was actually dealing with under-rehearsed musicians that made me stop. Like, I loved the mixing. and I still love mixing and I love like when I do this like all the like grading and the cameras which is like fucking mixing for the eyes that's all me still when I do drum videos normally it's

not only but sometimes I'll mix it like I love that side of things but there's nothing worse than a band turning up to record and the fucking drummer doesn't know how to play his parts. There's one thing is that Kevin is the best drummer I ever recorded. He's a beast

he's a beast bro. Thank you. It's really really consistent. He knows, like, it's not, like, he knows how to hit stuff. I don't know how to explain better. I'm not a drummer. I mean, that's drumming. Yeah, I'm not crazy at drums, but I know how to play. And that's it.

The crazy thing is that when you hit something, a symbol, a hi-hat, a kick, it sounds good. All the time, every time. I have so many drummers in my room eating the same gear. Yeah, because sometimes it's my drum It sounded like shit It's in the hands Yes It's in the hands and the stick

And he's very consistent Like my kick and snare track They're like compressed Because I like mixed Very consistent Insane I just did a drum plug in Which I think will be out

By the time this comes out And they I insisted They told me That you can just ship your drums If you want and we can have someone else sample it. And I was like,

I'm so convinced the sound of my drums is in my stick and my hand. Of course. So I went and did it and it was three days of hell. Oh, yeah. It was like, I think I counted how many times I had to hit each individual drum and it was like 900 times plus all the drums, four snares, all the symbols. But that kind of thing. Like, it really depends on the hitter.

Yeah, I agree. It's in the hand. Bro, definitely. What's the company you did with? A GGD. Let's fucking go. It's fucking sick, bro. Wow.

It's my kit from a 24-inch kick, 12, 16, 18. The kit you had this summer. Yes. Which Nali said was the best kick drum he's ever recorded in his life. Wow. And then my symbol set up, a prototype snare. and we recorded it in Peter Gabriel's studio. What's the one?

There's a photo of it. It's the one with the crazy control room. Real sound, real sound. It's the brutalist. Big fucking thing. It's like one of those famous studios in the world. It was awesome, but that bit was insanely draining. And then this is actually the work that I'm finishing now,

which is why my girlfriend wants me to take time off. I did 350 grooves with, for E kit and then like having to clean all those up is fucking murdering me at the moment. So it ends up as 350 grooves and it's play them all in and then I have to load them in, check the velocities are fine, quantize them, but go through individually. Because some bits are like feel basis. Like I don't want to quantize that. It's fucking killing me.

Hopefully I'll make loads of money. Hopefully by the time you watch this is out. Buy my plug in and hopefully it'll be worth all the work. Bro, I will. That kind of thing, like, it really depends on the hitter. Yeah, I mean. I agree. It's in the hand.

Bro, definitely. While we're still on drums, let's go. You just told me something before we came in here. Yes. You're getting rid of MAPEX? Yeah. Go on. The Slovak not are so distinct of the most.

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It's going to be a French brand. French company. It's a small one. I think it's only six people? Six people make the drums? No, I think maybe one or two.

And then six people are endorsed. No, no, no. It's six people in the company. How do I spell this? I mean? As by it's ASBA. ASBA. So they're going to celebrate the 100 year. Oh, really? 2026.

Oh, wow. The possibility infinite. Good. Oh, you're good. Thanks. You are the only one talking French to us. Yeah. I love it. And we loved it. I got a scene in French. Like I can, I can hold my own. I can listen quite a bit. I got it. I got it. I think I'm better at German. I'm looking at these kids right now.

And so it looks, everything looks vintage. I've seen these. I have. I just didn't know what they were called. Probably. And they told me like the crazy thing is Asba created the first drum pedal. They invented the drum pedal. Didn't know that. Are they still making that one? You're going to play that? No. You're going to learn heel, toe on that, motherfucker? The guy told me, like, you cannot play the pedal. So they did a new, what do you call it?

New version, but exactly the same one. Oh, really? Same looks, everything. But it's just new. Oh, the same kit, not the same pedal. No, no, pedal. They just release the same pedal. Exactly the same, but they're like, you cannot play like metal with it.

It's just for a legacy, right? It's just for, these drums look nice. Yeah. But what are you going to do? I fuck are expensive. Yeah, it's, everything is handmade. Are you getting in for free? No.

The fuck. What the fuck? I know, I know. I was like, I don't want to talk about. I knew it. What, what, what symbol's you playing? Mine all. Yeah.

It's like two seconds away. You know, no, no. It's like five years. Oh, yeah. I went there. Yeah. Uh, two years ago. Honestly, it's like five minutes away.

Okay. But all of these companies watch this. Okay. So before you go and pay for a fucking drunk kid. Why are you paying for a drum kit? Your band's fucking huge. I know. Sorry, so go ahead.

We had this conversation. You had a good point you told me. We had this conversation because we are all the same. Yeah. I was like, would you like to pay for the best instrument? Mm-hmm. Or would you prefer to have it for free, but you're not... You're stuck with one brand.

Or you don't really like it also. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, I'm going to leave Maypex. I think I can have everything now. Yeah. Tomah or whatever. I was looking to kids. I'm like, yeah, but doesn't speak to me.

I don't know. And it was also like if I'm endorsed by a brand like MAPEX, but they, you had a really good deal with MAPEX, right? But I'm stuck with MAPX and if I want to try something, another brand on stage. A snare or something. I can't. And it's a, I'm stuck. It's a little, little claustrophobic.

Yeah, yeah. You're stuck in something and you can't escape. Yeah, I just want to try. Kevin doesn't like that. It was like, it's a lot of money, but I would rather not being endorsed at all. I mean, you're kind of cool. Yeah. And the cool thing is, it's French.

They, it's like in Lyon. So it's three hours from Marseille. I went there with Hugo, the drum tech. We were visiting the factory. Yeah. It's really small. And they're like, we can do whatever you want. Yeah, but I'm going to say this because I'm always on.

And if people have got this far and they're like, oh, he's just talking about getting free gear. No, I'm not. I'm talking about what the drummer of landmarks can bring to this brand that's very small. Yeah. Is worth you getting some money. Like I'm for the worker. And if that's via a free kid. kit.

They're like, maybe obviously, kit number one and you do it and you end up liking the company, just make sure you don't get fucked later on. Yeah, yeah. Because how many kids are going to buy this drum kit because of you? True. We'll see. I don't know.

They will, bro. We'll see. Anyone playing the 3,000 people? People are buying drums based on those. I do get your point. You wanted to try different snare drums. I had a couple of different, I've got like 10 different snares that I went out to people to record

or what I'll sometimes record with. And I didn't get like, I didn't get really told off by Tamer. I kind of got a, hey, I noticed in your stream you're playing a different snare drum. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I just like the vibe of it. And they were like,

let us just, what do you want? You can have whatever you want. Please just don't do that again. And I was like, oh, cool. Would you make one that sounds like this? And they were like, oh, yeah, cool. And then there was a sound that I was specifically looking for. And they were, Tamer was cool enough to be like,

we can make you one. Oh, cool. That's it. Wow. So there is like a, yeah, there is, there is animal style. There's a secret menu at Tam. I'm just putting it out there.

There's a secret manual. But I do respect it. The only thing I would ever want to do that for, and I thought about it when I left Minel, before I joined Zildjan, I thought about not having a symbol deal. Yeah, that's, so I could mix that up. I think that's what I'm going to do with hardware.

I'm like, oh, so I don't have to play MAPEX hardware. Maybe I could... Stinky. No offense, guys, but fuck me. Yeah, so I'm like, I can play a Tama pedal, have D-W symbol stands. I'm like, I'm going to buy just one, one time and it's going to last for... And we'll see if that works because... Yeah, I mean, this is one of the things.

Every good drum kit sounds good, really. Everything at the top of the line. comes down to looks but then it does also come down to like rental support you can be fuck bro they know they know i'm like i'm going to australia you don't have any drums they're like we know so but then your band has to pay to rent drums when i go to australia i go hey tamer can i borrow a drum kit and they go there you go and then my band saves money and then my friends make more money that's true you fucking selfish prick there's one thing to mention is like Kevin and I were very bad at business.

Nico's the business man. Yeah, yeah. We all just like, I want to play this one. That's it. I don't care about the money. I kind of like that. That's cool. I'm the opposite.

I'm the business. I'm the business brain. No, we're just like, yeah, you have to pay, but it's not. Do they make good snaz? You know what? Yeah. When we come to USA, we play on your kit. So that's not a problem.

Yeah, yeah. Are you using my game? Not this time. But the first time, right? With Prada, maybe? Oh, yeah, the black one. Yeah, there's something. So it's figured out.

I gave that kit to Dying Wish. But if you ever need a kit, I've got two kits here. You could have a kit. That's a good point, actually. You practice in Nashville. Yeah, just use my, the green one. It's like that. Tiffany blue.

Tiffany blue? Tiffany green. Tiffany green, what's the color? Tiffany blue is a color. It's not the color of your set. I don't think. My other one, the old one is Tiffany blue, I think. I don't know.

Anyway, you can borrow that. It's got a bit of steeds to it. I'm kind of disappointed. I'm going to try. I'm not. I think it's fucking sick. You know what? Another point, again, not a business point.

I'm like, so you know, Giuseppe from Prada? Yeah. So he's playing Rogers. He is. We don't have this in France or maybe in Europe. Maybe that we have some kids. Yeah. But it's not.

Rogers is like the equivalent of this French brand in the States. Probably, yeah. The first. I'm like, I'm going to play your kid you will not have Just Giuseppe or everyone No no everyone

Because Just you This motherfucker I can't get It's like Because it's from friends If you want one You're gonna pay your lot Yeah

Oh you are This is a fashion in you coming out You're the exclusivity I like Fucking Balenciaga Rick Hoins over here I want Doric Owen's drum kit Dirkowitz

Oh I text the guy yesterday like, can we make a dualipa snare? No, it's top. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. It's insane. I mean, I'm committed, you're committed to the bit. So, and it's like, I like the thing like now in.

You just got to SJC. I don't care. Why? Why? Because they'll make you a dualipa drunk kit. Yeah, they're gonna make it. Yeah, it's not French. Yeah, I'm like, in 2025, when I was young, I remember my family went on,

on somewhere like Dubai, US, they came back like, oh, we found this. You cannot have this in France. Now is internet. We can have everything. Yeah. You want exclusivity. Exclusive things. I just like that.

I like it. That's cool. I mean, there's that Spanish company, Verus or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that guy, what is, Esther Pario, he, like, religiously just plays that drum kit because it's from Spain. And I do think that's really cool. but like i need that support from our worldwide i understand i'll see maybe it won't work

after you that we'll be like i mean what's the deal you like endorsed really endorsed or if can you uh and what's the deal basically how many says he's not business seems pretty fucking business i don't want to say because they're doing something special just for me see i'm about a business money off yeah you're getting a deal you're getting a deal you're You must be getting a deal for it. You can't be paying that price. You got a good, you got to, is it a good deal or is, it's like just covering, I mean, if it's something you want anyway and you're getting a discount, then it's better than nothing.

That's how I feel like every day. Yeah, that's the, that's the thing. Sometimes one of the things that sucks about getting stuff for free is like the, and it's not yours. Well, I always make sure it is mine. No, it's not a fucking rental. But like, yeah, I have to send everything back to make things. Do you? I think.

my vape didn't like my vape left for that's fucking crazy you know what mine'll ask for all my symbols back and i said no i have one of your symbol in my in the trailer already yeah from where i you stole it no you stole it from when we we open the trailer and i'm like this is not my drumhead and not my symbol oh oh yeah i did know it's a fair amount my stuff was missing when i moved here and i was like it's dumb. There's a bunch, yeah, quarter's fucking time. It's dumb. So I have a China symbol from you, a Minel one.

Oh, cool. What, at Byzance? No, I don't think. One of the shit ones? I would say shit. Damn it, nearly got him. It's not a bad. You know what?

I remember I went to Minel and I hate to get really drummy. But like, I went to Miner on one of my U.S. tours. And I'd broken two Byzance Chinas and I went to get replacements. Minil USA and they gave me like 10. like a hundred dollar rubbish china's in replacement for two that I'd paid for fucking piss me the fuck off you don't have to say anything it's your fucking brand

the two seconds down the road we squash the beef we're all good but I did think about if Zildjans said no which they fucking didn't but I thought about doing that and just playing something for whatever I like

and then also being able to like I was going to review everything. Like, I'm not having a company so I could honestly be like, hey, here's this symbol. It's fucking dog shit. Or this one's really fucking good. But then I thought I will, before Zildjan said yes, I was thinking about that. And I was like, yeah, but that's the number one. drums is one thing.

But like not having a symbol endorsement when you break a symbol. And it's like, oh, now I am $400. Yeah, because I think, yeah, like you and I, I don't know what it, how it is or what it is to buy. new symbol like full price since like 10 years i only know because now i sell one and i because i was like wow how much is this going to get sold for and they were like oh 499 i was like i'm sorry what 500 dollars now yeah that's a right symbol price i was like oh my god i'm the luckiest person on earth because like yeah my friends like even hugo the drum take when he broke a symbol he's like i'm done yeah i'm like what's your symbol is is a right crush right yeah

yeah it's fucking awesome you should play it you can't. You're playing one tonight? No, you're getting so much trouble. Is he coming? I don't know. He doesn't care about you. I know you're watching, Chris.

This is a joke. Hello. Okay, it's the end of the headline tour. Novelists, silly goose, resolve. Yeah. We're in America. The French are known for their cuisine. Across the world, they're known for some kind of weird stuff.

firstly i want to know what you guys are eating in the states and how the cuisine differs like do you like it do you hate it it it depends for what but okay flow is fucking picture you're first you're he he's got some stuff to say i have no taste oh yeah so there's something with kevin it doesn't have the same ability to smell things than than other people in the planet or you can put something for some reason in my nose i'm I'm like, well, your whole life. Yeah. Your whole life.

Since your kid. Probably. Yeah. What do you mean probably? When did you notice? He didn't, he didn't notice until when you were 12 or 13 or something. Maybe I don't. You told me at some point that his sister said, oh, it stinks.

It stinks. Something stinks. And he's like, no. And she's like, don't you smell that. Don't you. I just, and I don't. I remember on tour, we were on the boat, like, the first. very yeah i was looking for a new perfume i was like flow help me help me like choose for me because i

i think it's something in the nose happening you should i don't know sometimes i think because my uncle has the same thing and it was after like a really bad virus and then it just can just nuke it and i've had it twice i'm still getting over it post-covid it's to me every covid it's funny you mentioned the perfume thing because we went to me to mexico on like a vacation and I it was like all you can drink all you can eat and I was like that food's so bland and the drinks are watered down but I was getting hammered so I was like oh they must be because this doesn't taste like tequila but I'm getting drunk so I was like maybe they're just putting like I don't know pure alcohol in whatever yeah and then like I got incredibly drunk

because I thought the drinks were weak and then on the the airport on the way home I went to Tom forward to get a new and I was like smell this one and she was like no I don't like that and I was like oh it must be fake like I can't smell it and then we picked up something else I knew and I was like oh no but it takes me like six weeks every time I get COVID six weeks to three months where I can't smell really but the thing is sometimes I can smell so I don't know I don't I just you should try fish oil yeah Omega three fish oil so for me after COVID education after COVID it takes me I have to take three of those a day

amiga threes for my smell to be normal okay and if I don't the next day it goes away again for like an extended period of time and I read into it because I figured it out by accident and I read into it they give it to people who have it's called

parosmia is when you can't smell anything and anosmia is when you your smell is distorted So they did tests on giving people Omega 3 and it does improve it. Okay. That would be a good... I should try.

You should try it. You can smell your perfume. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so I'm not that picky with food. But sometimes it's just... Is the texture? Is it cooked...

Oh yeah, I just remember... Yeah, I just remember... It's like... Yeah, the first time... Yeah, so I'm judging by texture most of the time. But I just remember the first time we had pizza. Yeah. It was like five cheese.

Doesn't make sense for us because it's four cheese and never five cheese. Oh, yeah. Sunk. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. And we were just like, texture is good. Everything is perfect, but there is no fucking taste. There is only one cheese, right?

Yeah. But you all of you agree. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Except Paul. Paul was like, I can taste all five. No, Paul loves America. Because Paul loves America so much, like he can't like, like, he likes anything.

He's like, this is the best thing. This is the best thing. Oh, yeah. Flos like, oh shit. So you don't care. What's your favorite texture then if you're going based on texture? You're a soups guy? A soup.

Soup? No, no, no. No. I'm more like, is like. Pasta is the best thing. Paste. Pasta. Okay.

So what do you feel about American cuisine? So the first time, first time, my first experience was so weird. Like it felt like also there was our first tour. We didn't have any money. Yeah. We didn't go to a restaurant. and stuff. So we were basically just eating on, how'd you say when, gas station? Gas station, exactly. Oh, yeah, yeah. So obviously, it was like, everything, everything. So anything,

so it doesn't taste like the food doesn't taste like what I'm eating right now. For example, I don't know, a vegetable. Yeah. Doesn't have the same taste that I'm used to. And also, there's a lot of spice, they just had spice everywhere, everywhere. So it has more, so it more tasteful. Yeah. And I'm, I can't stand spice. It's hot things, hot plates. I just, I don't. Is that for vocals or is that just in general? No, in general, I don't eat anything spicy. So whenever there's pepper, it's too much for me. Pepper's too spicy. Like when there's a lot of pepper, too spicy for me. Yeah. Yeah. So the first time I was like, wow, it's hard for me. here. But now this year and last year, especially, and also this year, I was like, hmm, I kind of

understand now how they made food on how I can understand their tastes more, a little bit more. And I'm, I try things that I really like. I did a lot of Asian because it's, it's easy. Without spice, though. Without spice. Yeah, yeah. Madison's turning in our grave over there. Sorry. No spice. really good Asian food without spice.

It doesn't have to be spicy. You guys sound racist. Let me be offended for you. Okay. I'm being offended for you. Okay, Asian food. What about like fast food? So fast food.

We tried in and out. In and out is great. In and out is number one for me, burger-wise. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you know our first burger is Madis Paddies? I don't know. I think there's only one in Toronto.

And now one in the US. I don't know where. This one is insane. No, you know my favorite? I'll eat my favorite tomorrow. It's the... Yes, I know. It's a shop called Mom Spaghetti.

Oh, yeah, in Detroit. Yeah. That is legitimate. It's the M&M one, isn't it? Yeah. Legitimately good. Yeah, yeah. So we tried the...

We just wanted to go there for fun because I'm a big Eminem fun. And... So we had to try. We had to try the meat bowls. Spaghetti. So like your sandwich spaghetti. A spaghetti sandwich. I didn't get that. I got the spaghetti

meatballs. And it was awesome. I really liked it. Out of that little window, just around the corner. Yeah, yeah. You have to order outside. We had the spaghetti sandwich. So basically a square sandwich with a lot of cheese and spaghetti and tomato. And tomato. And that was good. We were surprised

that was good. I was like, is it just me? Because I'm excited to be here. Or is it really good? And the boys said, actually, it's pretty good. For a first food? Don't trust him. He can't take it. True, that's true. What I want to do to highlight French cuisine is I'm going to name some things that the French

are known for eating. If anyone doesn't know, the French, French and the British have a little enemies thing. We don't personally. But we call French people frogs, which is racist. Yeah, true. By we, I don't mean me. I mean, that's like the bad term. And then what's the bad term for the British?

we say beef right rosbeef yeah we just picked apart each other's food choices we have roast beef on a Sunday and they have been known to eat frogs legs

that's true and there is another one there's an older one which is like le goddam which are like apparently it's an older one

from whenever there was some war between the two places and really the English people would say god damn all the time so the French Oh, okay. That like predates rose beefs.

I don't know this one. Oh, guys, never knew that one. So I'm going to reel off some French cuisine. Let's go. I'd love you to tell me if you've had it and what you thought of it. Okay, frog's legs. Yeah. Never.

You've never had it? No. Even I've had frogs legs. No, I never. It's good. No. No, you wouldn't do it? I will try.

I don't know why I didn't. Is it like a thing that you can get anywhere in France? It's not that common Are we eating French? I mean, it's not that common You have to be in a In a specific restaurant It's not everywhere

I'm pretty sure I had a barbecue in France And someone had frogs legs And it tasted like chicken Really? It was awesome It was like lemon I tell you what it was like It was like a lemon pepper wing stop But made from frog

But it's like It's like really pretty pretty thin Right though So In my head A frog is small, so. Yeah. It was like, they were like, basically like a chicken wing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're never going to have tried the rest of them. I wonder if you even know what some of these are. Right, okay. Escargo. Yeah, I try, I try. A lot. What is escargo?

Bro, what is it? Yeah. You want me to describe? I would love you to describe. Escargo is, um, how'd you say, um, how'd you say, uh, snail. You know, you know, you know what it. I know what it is.

I just wanted it from you. So it's smeg? Snail. Snail. True. Smeg is something else. That's what accumulates on a penis when it's unwashed. So don't say that instead of...

Oh, do you guys have the smear? Yeah, let me just whip some up. Dad's spaghetti. So it's a snail with a shell. It's a mix between a snail and a turtle. It's a snail with a shell, yeah. Oh, wait. Escago is like...

No, you're thinking of... A snail is the thing with the shell. No, a slug is just a slug. No, true, true, true. I mean, true, sorry. And as far as I know, I know you guys don't eat slugs. Just snails. Yeah.

Yeah, of course. And it's done with garlic and butter. Yeah. Have you had it? Yes. I just tried one time and it was great. I was so scared to try. I was like, yeah, it's disgusting.

It's fine. It was fine. Hey, I'm on board. I thought it was great. But the concept of eating a snail. is fucking. Yeah, that's why I was like, you know, I was at my friend's house, I was like, okay, it's, it's today. Let me try. It's today. What is the texture of it? It's really cheery. It's chewy, yeah, but, but my grandmother had the, how'd you say, a recipe, a recipe.

That is quite different than the butter and the, and the, would you say, the garlic? The garlic. It was more, I, it was when I was really young, so I don't remember exactly, but it was, it was more red like tomato or something. Not spicy though. Not spicy. And it was so good. Like a plate of pasta. Like it tasted so good.

But it's a plate of snails. No, I mean, yeah, but you still have to scoop them out. Do the scoop. So did you do that? Did you have to put it off? I just don't remember. Yeah, I think it was not forked. Because that's the best part, actually.

That's the whole thing. Maybe it was another thing. It was escargo, obviously. Yeah. But it was without the shell. It can happen. I don't remember. It was hot.

Is it hot? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they cook. I just don't have this remember like it's chewy. I don't have this remember. So that was my point. It wasn't that chewy with my grandmother. No, not me.

The grandmother way. It was more. Maybe I have bad ones. I think I'm from the same French barbecue. No, fucking. I got a question for you. Right. your grandma did she go to a shop to buy the snails or she just like rooting around the garden

no in the garden out of the garden yeah yeah out of our of her garden just roaming around picking up snails oh yeah they they that's awesome yeah that's legitimate money sick okay next now we've got some bangers okay this one i've had this one steak tartar steak tartar all right i don't even i'm not nothing though do you know what it is we're not a fan yeah we know Rudy's The steakmaster I never had Is it only French

Is it a French thing Yeah it's a French thing It's a French thing It is raw beef Oh yeah With an egg yolk On top of it Yeah I never tried

So the boys like that Especially Rudy Julian They like that Not Nico Nico doesn't eat Like raw raw meat

And we do not We do not eat raw meat I want to get on board A steak Tata But like Everything on earth

Ever has told me Not to eat steak that raw, like when the outside is raw as well. But I imagine it's made correctly. Yeah, yeah. But that's probably where I draw the line. It has to be made correctly. I'm so afraid of it.

Like my stomach is too, no. It's too. Oh, don't get this man a spicy steak ta-ta. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah. Okay, let's see if you know what this one is. And if I butcher the pronunciation. Koule de mutton. Kouis de mutton.

I mean, I guess it's kui. Like, cooze? Like, balls? Oh, shit. No, never. Testicles. Never tried. Apparently, that's a go-to.

Yeah, yeah, but. French cuisine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, never. No, never. No, never tried it. No, but we eat pretty disgusting thing from the mouton or the whatever. We eat, we eat like, what do you say, like, andouettes.

It's like the, the, um, we say the, the, the, the tree, I don't know how to say, how you say that in English. It's like the inside. Oh, tripe. Tripe, yeah. And then you eat this one as my last one on the list. Tet DeVoe.

Ted DeVos, I think I tried that. I'm not sure. When I was young, maybe during the, like, how do you say, in December? Well, it was Christmas.

Christmas or stuff. Maybe. I'm not sure about that. Do you remember what it was? Tet DeVoe. Ted DeVoe? No, I don't remember. It is.

It is the head. Yeah, it is the head of a car. It is the head of a car. half. Yeah. The whole head. It's fucking metal. Everything I just mentioned is.

It is. It is. It's metal as fuck. But we eat. But we eat most of, most of the part of those animals. Like the, it's like the most metal culinary place in the world.

What are you going to have for dinner? Head. It's going to eat a fucking head. Testicles. So you're not finding much sheep bollocks on tour, just mainly in and out and stuff like that. Yeah. I just wanted to know.

I wanted to know if it was like, because I don't know if it's like normal food. Because you had the snails with your grandma, that's relatively normal. Yeah. So what's the... There's no question. Okay.

Yeah, what was the question? Now, but some stories you can tell. As French people, like most of the tour we did in the US, like last time, half of the time we were cooking ourselves. Yeah. In the band wagon.

Nice. I remember on the Prada tour, they were like, what are you doing? Fuck are you doing. And they went to a burn vegan to have a boil of ramen or some fish that Rudy's made. Rudy and Julian cooked insane things. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

With what? We have two rice cooker and one, how do you call it? Real. Yeah, sort of. Sort of, yeah. Yeah, a pan, no. Yeah, sort of. The thing with a flame?

No, but like electric thing, yeah, an electric thing. So we can cook everything. Yeah. So you figure it out. You cook. Yeah, not on this tour, but when you had the. French. Yeah, they cooked a lot of times.

They were like really good money. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We went to Walmart and got some food for a few days. What were they cooking up? I remember one time we had like a big salmon and vegetables, rice. Vegetables, salmon like Rudy's way.

Rudy's like, is like, do you know that trick? Like when you put salmon upside down and then you put the juice afterward and you're like, no, I don't. And it was like, and try that. And we're like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I have a question, though. So this is in a bandwagon. Yeah. Yeah.

So for people that don't know, a bandwagon is nine bunks followed immediately by a living room slash kitchen slash. No, yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah. One little desk in it. Yeah. So like, if you're cooking salmon, does that not stink out the whole fucking air? Of course. Of course.

But you have to open everything. You open all the windows? You're fine with that? When Rudy and Julian cooked, it smells good. It smells good. The rest of the band's coming on the bus for a party. And it's like, it sounds like fucking fishy. Kev's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, you don't care. There's no point. True, true. Last time I put like some vegetables on the microwave. Yeah. People were like, oh, it smells shit. I was like, maybe. Oh, yeah.

What's, what's, what's, broccoli? Broccoli. Broccoli. Broccoli taste. It smells shit. Smells like very strong, right? The smell is far. And we're all like, bro, what the fuck?

I was like, fuck up. It smells nothing. Okay, bro. Because you're the doctorate. You're not doing wonders for the French smell dynamic. Yeah, that's another racist trope that I'm not part of. But you got any others for English people? What's like the goat other than roast beef?

What do you fucking hate about English people? Not you, but the French as a whole. I feel like there's more beef, not literal beef, but like, French people hate English people. Really? Not like, you know, you know what we hate? It's not English people. It's English weather.

Oh, yeah. Your guys isn't that much better. You live in Marseille. That's why. That's why. I fucking love Marseille. And that's because you're so close to Africa. Like your wherever is good.

It's so good. Yeah, yeah. So good. Actually, looks like, to me, so we've been to L.A. Yeah. And every time I'm like, L.A. is really cool. But it feels like it looks a little bit like Marseille. I'm not that impressed.

Really? I'm impressed because it's obviously way bigger and way crazier than... But we're... Marseille is kind of a tiny L.A., let's say. Yeah. Like we went to Venice Beach. We're like... We have the same thing and it's even more beautiful.

We got the skate park. We got the... Like the same thing, skate park. Yeah, it's the beach. It really looked the same. Is Marseille quite dangerous? That's what people say. I mean, we're comparing it with L.A., which is also quite dangerous.

But is it, I had heard previously it's one of the most dangerous places in France. That's what they say. But it's... That's what people say. We had a lot of drug dealer, but they're going to shot each other's. Yes. So it's... So nothing's going to happen to you.

Oh, I don't... I didn't go fuck. Shit me, please. But I just mean in general, like, I had heard it's... I think I watched a program that was like... I think it's like every big city. No, it's just a big city. Yeah.

It's not more dangerous than Paris. They can steal your phone, your thing, but it's a big city. You guys love a riot as well. Last time I was in Marseille, I wasn't with Stray. Who's I with? I can't remember brutality would prevail. And there was a, there was a riot for something. Someone had done something in the government, like, relatively minor.

And it was like, well, okay, all the roads are shot. It's friends. It's fucking sick. Did you see that? How'd you say that? The Prime Minister? Like the first... Prime Minister?

Prime Minister. Prime Minister? Like, we had in Prime Minister for like, what? Five days and then is half night? It's crazy. There's always something. Bro, we... On this tour, we can sell the first flight because of this.

Already? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. We were supposed to come... A riot was happening. Yeah. The day we were... The day we were supposed to leave.

So we were like... It's not going to happen because people are going to be on the... street like they're gonna block train stations, the trains and stuff. So we have to, everything. So we are like, you have to postpone the fly. Yeah, true. Crazy. It happens all the time. You would think there'd be more metal bands that come out of France based on the history of like rebelling against the

government. There's really not that man. Yeah, but they're doing rap. Yeah, we had one. We had one heavy metal rock band called Trust. I don't know. They sing, I mean, they, how do you say, they sung, like the past of sing. They sung, right? They sung in French. So that's why you never heard of them. And their main single was named Anti-Social.

So it was a thing back then. Yeah, true. Not really anymore, I don't know. We don't have an equivalent of you guys. Or a rage against machine or something like that. I mean, Gojira has quite a lot, but it's not against the, French government. True.

Maybe punk music, but they are not famous. Yeah, I know. In fact, this is a good segue into what I was going to say. There isn't that many big metal bands from France. You guys just won an award like yesterday. Yeah, true. Yeah. What is the name of the awards?

Fudre. Which is a new. Yeah, it's new first. New award ceremony for heavy music in France. Yeah. The first one actually. And the first one. And you guys won.

best band and best album. Yeah, like, yeah, best artist of the year. Best album. Yeah, true. Did you, you kind of went because it was yesterday. Who, who collected the award? So it was our producer and, what you say? Publisher.

Yeah. So our team, basically. And we did, we did a little video. You did a little video. And yeah, yeah. We saw the whole thing yesterday on stream. That was great, actually. It was cool.

Was it big? Was it like a, a, Was it at the Bataklan? It was quite big. It was on French. Because we had previously, we had other like ceremony like that. Like, for example, triumph. That's like the Grammys.

No, no, no. No, it's a tiny thing that was made by one of our friends, Artur. And he did the first kind of independent, independent ceremony for a middle. But those guys, they are like all the. all the professional in how do you say music professional like publisher editor labels and stuff yeah it's like the big guys in the metal industry in the in the country they decided to to make like a big ceremony yeah and so they they have they have a lot more uh what you say whatever i mean what i wanted to say is that they they streamed that on like public television

is that doesn't make sense yeah it was on the tv so yeah it was on tv basically that's cool So yeah. That's very cool. That's insane. So first time ever. It's quite a big thing, I'd say. Yeah. I feel like I've been told in the past that there's a thing in the French heavy music scene

where it's your responsibility to elevate smaller bands from France. Is that true? Because I've heard people criticize Gojira for not doing it enough. Is that, did someone make that up? I'm not going to name who it was. It wasn't someone from your band. They were from a different French band. I think we never, I don't know about Gojira

because they've been a band for 20. Yeah, and they definitely brought French bands on tour. Definitely. And they still did, do, sorry. But like, for example, Nico and me, we always tried, so we also work at, I mean, we're producers and recording studio and stuff.

And we always wanted to like bring bands to our studio, try to improve their song, but also their career. With anything we learned since. So we, like, for example, Nico, like, organized shows. Yeah, when he was young. I tried to record as many friends as possible, low price. You recorded my band. I recorded your band. And like very very low price and stuff.

And I By that Maybe why people said that We try to Bring up the French The French scene Like try to do things for the French scene Like doing a festival in Marseilles

Bring all those bands Like 20 bands from Marseille Yeah So it's not like What do you say like a goal, a way of life, let's say, but it seems like we're doing it by all those tiny stuff

that we're doing. And that might be why I tried to make a list of French heavy bands that I know. And once I got rid of all of the sketchy black metal, I was left with one hand.

And I think I got Gojira landmarks. Remember that band Hackrid? Akrid? Hackrid. By name, by name. They were like,

it was kind of like heavy, really heavy, kind of new metaly. It was like early 2000s. Okay. They were sick. All right. I don't know if any of these bands

are canceled now, by the way, so don't come and get me for that. I won't name the canceled ones. Alsest, yeah. It's one of my favorite. Yeah.

They're very good. And then obviously novelists, head buser. Oh yeah. Head buser. Head buser. Let's go. Are there any other bands

that people should check out? Because it doesn't really get here. This is your chance to shout out some good French. So you missed resolve. Resolve. They're on tour. Oh, wow, they're on this tour as well.

They're on this tour. Oh, you're like, oh, yeah, I don't know. Maybe we bring up other bands. You got two fucking French bands on a US tour. No, true. In terms of bringing bands on tour, which we always try. Yeah, we did like after COVID, I think we were the first band touring in Europe. Yeah, after COVID.

And allowed to. Yeah. And it was a full French tour. Yeah. Only 1056. Yeah. Resolve. Resolve.

And Glassbone. Yeah. That's right. And we always try, like, for example, I produced the last Rise of the North Star album. I forgot they're French. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And they're doing well in Europe. I thought they were Japanese for the longest time. They had masks on and like the whole aesthetic. Yeah. It's Japanese band. sounds Japanese ends up as French. And yeah, always trying to help when we can. Like, just try to bring on tour, try to do featureings, try to collaborate whenever.

So I don't know who told you that. And it's all gold too. But we try, I mean, we like it. We like having. And also people notice now that there's a scene happening in France. Yeah. Yeah. And it's great.

It's exciting for everyone. If not only for us, it's good for everyone. like if a band if one of favorite bands is resolve or ashen or whatever they might listen to landmarks after landmarks after listening to resolve so i think like 1056 is on tour in us right now 1056 is on tour in u.s they like 75 percent count our aron is english is english yeah i mean like with a french first language french singer not i'm not saying that that band is french so what else what else would we have what other bands or rise of the north There's a lot, actually.

There's a lot of, I mean, there's like 20 bands from Marseille that I would like to shoot out, but this is just too much. I'm thinking of my friend like from Spleen. Oh yeah, there's been. Oroch, we got a band from. You remember my drum tech? Yeah. So he has a really cool band from Marseille. O'O is like a U R-O-R-E.

Okay. What kind of thing? It's like modern metal. slash hardcore it's great has um gojero ever approached you about doing anything

yeah I mean we talked but nothing you would think you would be number one you'd be number one I mean you know what

what we like like last this summer we spent time with them we spent a lot of time with Mario yeah and it was the nicest person on earth fucking nice all the other boys

were also the nicest person. Yeah, you were not here, but we had a night with all the guys except Joe. Yeah. But we just went to wash like machine head. Oh yeah. All Denmark's, all Gojera. And after they were like, yeah, come backstage.

So, and we did the most French thing, like eating cheese and drinking wine. Drinking. And talking French. Drinking wine, eating sheep's bollocks, just you and their fucking boys. That's cool. That's a tour I'd fucking love to see.

But like in France, where would you even fucking play? That has to be stadiums. Yeah. They're going to play at the end of the year. It's Dennyth and Arena. It's just all arenas now. Yeah.

Yeah, probably. That's crazy. That's crazy. Anyway, you weren't giving me two troops on a line and we're done because you've got a fucking show to play. All right, let's go try and remember what we said. Me first or you first? Not me first.

Are you doing one eight? Three and three and three. No, no, no. One, one. And one, yeah. All right. So my first one is that I've been arrested by the police for graffiti vandalism. Okay, give me another one.

I made a video, a drum video with dildos and it becomes viral. Like French TV and things. French TV and things. Okay. Okay. And what's the third one? The third one is also graffiti related. I almost died while graffiti at night, because I've been stuck in a, I don't know the exact word in English, trying to hide from police car.

Okay. Trying to hide into a tunnel that led into the sewer. Yeah, sewer is correct. Sewer. Great English. Cool. You got stuck in the sewer? Stuck in sort of a...

What do you in a puy? A tunnel. A tube? A tube with no lights. The darkest place you've ever been. Very claustrophobic. That might be the reason I'm so claustrophobic now. Okay.

Let's start with that one and work backwards. How long ago was this? That was 10 years ago. How long you've been doing graffiti? Since I'm... 15. Are you good? Ah, I'm okay.

I mean, you're fucking good at everything else. So I imagine you're like, oh, I'm okay. And I see it. It's like, oh, it's the Sistine Chapel by flood. No, I'm doing letters only. So not characters. I'm doing just. But like the big like bubble.

The big letters like. What's your tag? Oh, you can't tell me because it's illegal. You're going to see to know he's doing graffiti on stage every night. Yeah. actually yeah yeah you're gonna see it tonight yeah what that's so fucking is that your production you doing graffiti yeah yeah every night yeah that's so sick can you tell me what your tag is yeah so my tag is p e a n pine pin what does it mean nothing do you usually like the way the letters

looked when you were writing them yeah that's kind of cool so can people see pin graffiti around marseille yeah there's there's there's one of two left some somewhere because I stopped. I stopped doing it like 10 years. But there's two left. Yeah, I think you can find one or two somewhere in the street. Yeah. Like a French Banksy.

You pick it back. So when you do it on stage, where does it, you do it on a piece of word or? No, I have a big Canva. Yeah. And I just write it. I drew the V of landmarks on stage. I just do the V. Big V.

That's fucking awesome. My, I did art in high school and I failed because I didn't know that you had to do loads of writing. Like, half of it was like the practical doing the art and then half of it was like writing about the history of art. And I was like, that's not why I signed up and I didn't do it. And I failed. But my practical piece was a bit of graffiti.

Oh, really? Yeah, I have graffiti in my blood. That's what I used to do. Let's go. You're doing all the don't beat. stuff or I draw it? Because I saw you drawing on on a on a drumheads and pretty pretty insane I draw it badly and then I send it to different people and I go can you make this look good. Okay. Pretty much good good. Let's go to you. Dildo thing. Now, what color were the Dildos?

Skin color. Skin color. Yeah. How big like this? Medium size. A suction cup or just a standard? Do they have balls? Oh no, no, no. Just a Was it like a fleshy penis or was it, you know, just like a standard. Standard thing, you can put like a battery as it can vibrate. Hot. Okay. It was not mine. What was the song?

It was from a French brand. How long ago was this? I think 15. Okay. So it was a song with some friends. And then it, how did it end up on TV? It's a good question. Oh, it's, it was like,

it's a fucking lie. Anyway, I'm going to go, I'm going back, I'm going back to you. How did you get stuck in the tunnel? Like, were you escaping? So I was in total dark.

In, in water, in dirty water. So what? The police came while you were writing peeing. No, no, I was paying on,

on the, on the, on the highway, kind of, yeah, big road. And, um,

When you see like sort of pull not police it's not it's not it's not necessarily police but it's like vehicles with Yeah, sirens highway patrol. Yeah, exactly trying to hide you're trying to hide somewhere and I saw a tunnel. I saw a tunnel and every time I saw a car I just went into that tunnel a little bit just to hide way wait for the car to pass and then finish my my graffiti I At some point, I thought it was the police. So I went into this tunnel, but too much, too much into it too, like I went too deep. How'd you say? Too deep into it.

And at the end of the tunnel, the tunnel. A drop when you fell down the drop. Yeah. And it was dirty water. And I couldn't like, how'd you say? I couldn't see anything. Yeah. And it took me a few seconds, but it fell.

few hours to notice they were a ladder. Yeah, the ladder to climb back up. Yeah. It's really hard to do these with French because I don't know if you're thinking of the right word in English or you are lying. Back to you shortly for a second. Where did you buy these dildos? It was not mine. Yeah, who bought the dildos? It was a friend. They did a photo shoot for like condoms or things. So French. He told me there was like an explosion of hundreds dildos. And at the end, they were like, can we have some? I went to my friend's house looking on this thing.

I was like, why do you have dildos? Give it to me. I started playing on my knees. I was like, can I keep it with me? God damn. Now that's so specific. I was sure that one was a lie. So I went to my house and just put it away from months.

And one night, summer night, I was like, let's do something stupid so I made this video now that's so specific I was so convinced that one with the lie and I was coming back for blood and then the first one you did get arrested

the first one I did get arrested you did get arrested for graffiti separate incident than the other incident separate I'm going to guess now but then I want the story I think falling into the sewer is a lie I think that one's true

And I think getting arrested is true. Sure we answer now. Yes, answer me. You're right. I'm correct. Oh, congratulations. Give me the story about getting arrested. So the funny thing is that the lie is a lie for me,

but it's not a lie for one of my friends. It happened to one of my friends. The exact story. So I have every details. Damn. It happened. It lost, I would you say, he lost. his shoes

and he told me like there were like dead animals in this water. It was fully dark and I couldn't find any escape. I almost died and then suddenly I found the I felt the ladder. Crazy.

So I've been arrested. That was my last my parent don't know that. They won't watch this. Let alone get two hours in. It's okay. It's not like a big deal. It's like that was my last graffiti experience because at some point it was like, I'm claustrophobic. If I go to jail, I'm dead. I'm done. Or maybe I'll, it will fix me, but I'm not sure. I'm sure. Either way. I mean your career would be done. Yeah, also. You'd have to make black mouth. That's the trajectory. And it's pretty simple. That's the stupid. thing because we were like painting on highways on trains on whatever like not not not not what you say like vandalism thing right and and one day we're like hey we found um an abandoned wall in the

middle of the forest or whatever in some let's just do um we call in France we call that um uh, um, a, uh, a terrain, we say. It's like when it's abandoned, um, factories or something like that. And graffiti writers just come here the whole day doing a barbecue and doing, doing, awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. And snails. Maybe that's where I was. Yeah, I was at graffiti barbecue. That's when I had the sheep's testicles. And yeah, and we, we started doing our thing and the pull. And the police came and we're like, why, why do you come here? It's in the middle of nowhere. They're like, you're, this wall, this wall belongs to the, the, the electricity factory

over here and there's the neighbor, the neighbors just called us, they stole graffiti writers and stuff. We're like, oh, fuck, we're fucked. We're fucked for nothing. We, we, we thought we're, we're in the safest place and we're fucked. How are we? 20, I guess. Yeah.

You got fully arrested? So no, not me. I was going to say, because otherwise. You wouldn't have the visa. No, yeah, yeah. I received the call two weeks after that. They were like, hey, it's police from this area and stuff. You need to come tomorrow.

So I came. And I was like, all right, they're going to tell us that we have to repain the wall or something. I don't know. I don't know, but nothing crazy. And they were like, well, you're kind of under arrest. It was so weird. We'll take picture of you. with the classic like,

Oh, yeah. I was like, have you got that photo? No, I don't, I still don't know to this day if it was too scared us. It must be. Otherwise, when you get this visa, it would have flagged up. Bro, I don't know. Yeah, probably. Or maybe like 10 years ago because it was a minor thing.

I mean, I don't know. Was there any fine, fingerprints? Yeah. Everything. I was like, no, no fine. No fine. I was like, if it's to, if, because we are, We were 20, but looked kind of young and stuff.

So they were like, if this whole thing is supposed to scare me, it does. So I was not even 20, like 19. And I had to say my parents, I was doing something, whatever too. Yeah, that was fucked up. And I did not have any more trouble than that, except that we have to repaint the actual wall in white. And I was like, bro, they told us, like, you were, you under your, we have your, your, your information and your picture and your fingerprint for five years. If you, if you do whatever, it'll go, in, within five year, you'll go to.

Oh, that's probably what it was. You probably got a portion. Probably. Yeah. And then. So maybe now it's finished. Yeah, it would have been wiped. Hopefully.

I mean, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Especially Canada. Canada is the worst for like, when you go. over the border. Okay. If you have like,

sometimes even a caution when you're a kid for like weed smoking or something, Canadian border, particularly UK to Canada, they'll pick up on it. Okay.

I know something. So yeah, I think I'm good. You go away with it, bro. And look, it worked. Yeah.

He scared you, stopped graffiti. I stopped doing it on street. Yeah. We're doing it on stage. Doing on stage. Anyway, speaking of stage,

you've probably got a go. I've got a go. I'm looking forward to seeing you. Thanks for coming on. Of course. Thank you for having us. Check out landmarks if you haven't already

because the band is fucking so sick I hope we get to do I mean stray's done but I hope we get to do something together because I fucking love touring with you boys coming on the bus Can I say something? Can I say something?

So the first real tour we did professional was with you guys from the path thanks to while she sleeps day. 2017? 2019.

That was one of my best memory ever. You guys were the best ever. You, Tom, Drew. Drew, the first day came to the backstage and say, hello, we're going to have fun. I mean, dancing and dancing, yeah. Bro. And it's just such a good memory that I'm really, really glad that we're still friend now, that Tom is our manager, that Drew is on one of our song, that Matt from where she sleeps is on one of our song too. And that we can I got it past. Yeah, yeah.

I loved that tour. We shared about, I got food poisoning. Do you remember right at the end? Yes. Right. We were talking about that. I gave you medications.

I remember that. I remember that. You were. That was crazy. You were like part. I painted. Didn't I? Yeah.

Yeah. You were like walking like, whoa, what's happening? And the voice. You said, crap went to maybe McDonald's with you like, you need to eat something.

You gave him some stuff. You said, you said to Kevin, I remember, I said, everything is green. or something like that or blue like I see everything in green

it's bad yeah I like I've never before or since ever fainted like that it was crazy and it wasn't like drugs or drink or anything it was just some crazy shit I put on stage

I yeah and so did Dragon Neck I think you had maybe the craziest thing because Drew was just throwing up outside Dragon Neck was bad but you were you were the worst Yeah but that told me sick We shared about us

It was our first but Yeah, we learned so much. And you guys were very friendly with us. Who else was on the bus? Just us on the bus. Just us two. You were six and six people. Yeah.

Yeah. And the Australian live album, Smash them Up Live, was recorded by Julian, who recorded us. Yeah. And then you mixed it or you and Julian mixed together. Yeah, yeah, we mixed with Julian. So sick. Yeah, that was sick. Anyway, I appreciate you, boys.

I can't wait to see you later. I hope you come back on this. Yeah. I'll never see you again. See you. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Thank you.