The Downbeat - Milkie Way - Wargasm

Episode Date: November 25, 2021

My guest this week is Milkie Way, bassist/vocalist of Wargasm. We talk live-streamed wardrobe malfunctions, visual art, and their modern approach to punk.

Hello. Oh, look, there's loads of people. I've been stressing because this is the first live person that's been, A, come to my house. B, I had to set up all the ring lights. She requested, no, she didn't request me. I put three ring lights going. Yeah, the last time she was on Twitch was a bit of a kerfuffle.

So we're going to talk about that. I don't really have anything else to do it. If you're, oh, you want to buy a t-shirt, www. www. www. the downb-e dot-a-t. If you're on the Patreon, it's a pound, just fucking sweet. You should do it.

That's about it. My guest is Milky Way from Wargazen on the Downbeat podcast. What's the crack? That's what they do on real podcasts. Are you ready for this? Look at that. You can't see the bullet belt.

Cool. Everyone knows. You can see everything. It's fuck, no. so that's fine. Right. All I'm going to do. this is clever.

All I'm going to do is you're going to go a little bit closer to that. Or you can stay there. Yeah. Wonderful. Look at that. I'm going to get these off because that's not a vibe. Someone can tell me if everything goes wrong, but that's recording, that's recording. Hello, we didn't even get to say a real hello.

It was a very quick entry. Shitty sound check? Yeah, the monitors and the cat house are just not my friend today, hence why I was late. And also there was a football match on. There was a football match is very close to here. Yeah, I stepped out at the Uber and all I could hear was, ah! They weren't cheering for me, so I thought it was something else, you know.

Can I interest you in old-fashioned? You can indeed. I also brought, I came bearing gifts. I brought a tiny little Lefroid to limit how much I can drink, because I usually don't drink before shows, but I wanted to have a whiskey with you. Do you want this one or do you want your own one? Let's have this one first.

Maybe I'll have two drinks. Fuck it. We've got TM test off screen. I could put the wide angle on, we can get you. No, no, no. She's here to make sure I don't say anything stupid. Tell me more about this shitty sound check. We love a shitty sound check.

My bass just said, no, I'm going to be really feedbacky today. And so everyone else is soaring out while I'm here doing this because we have a great team. A very small great team. That's better than what I would get. Yeah. I wouldn't get someone sorting out. So someone else is just sorting out the feedback.

Are you shat shit by Josh? No. Have you got Josh with you? No, not on this one, but we did for all of our festivals. that we did this year. Josh, sing, my drum tech. Everyone's drum tech. Let's, got a little cherry in there.

I don't know if this is allowed on the front page of Twitch. That's what I'm saying. Am I like a curse and drink? Yes. Cheers. Slancher. What does that mean? That's cheers in Irish.

Oh, that's very nice. Thanks very much. I've been getting into old fashions. That's my new drink. I'm shit at making cocktails, but Tess is really good at it. so she does it for me. Cocktail tech as well.

I do wish I had a cocktail tech. Term manager slash cocktail tech. You know what? I want to go straight in on. Yeah. All right. The last time we met in person, the last and first time.

I forgot how Irish you were. I'm quite Irish. It's not like insanely Irish, but I forgot because I think I was drunk when we met. Yeah, you were drunk and we were in a very cramped backstage area and it was quite a, you were excited about you just won your award. There it is. What was happening?

Do you remember what we were doing? I can't really remember what was going on. Damn, I wish I had ours. Did you win one that night? Did you play down one? No, we didn't play. I did my bit with trash boat. Oh, you did the trash boat thing.

Okay, so that's what I wanted to talk about. I didn't really want to talk about me winning an award. Really? Um, what happened? Man, I don't even know. I just wanted to show up and look nice and do my bit. My friend made this really nice top for me.

And I was like, it was amazing. Go on, shout out for the top. Anine Irdem. She is a Norwegian designer. Yeah. But she lives in London and she made me this incredible chain top, which I thought covered my nipples,

but apparently did not cover my nipples. But again, I don't think that's a me problem. You can say what you want. I can see that you're holding something in there. The top was supposed to cover the nipples. The nipples came out. the stream went down and then the internet exploded. I didn't realize the stream went down until about an hour later.

I was out in the smoking area, getting some air. And someone, I think it was Gels, Lucas's girlfriend, messaged me on Facebook and said, oh my God, milk, you got the stream taken down. And then this barrage of tweets and comments and DMs and everything started coming in. Some of them were nice. Some of them weren't very nice.

And yeah, then I figured by that time it had been down and everyone was a bit mad at me. And then I had to go do press in the bus where they were running the whole stream behind the venue. And I walked in and I was like, sorry guys. Were you doing press to no one then? Because it wasn't on the stream. I was like, why are we? I don't know. I don't know what they wanted to do.

I think they just wanted to have it in the bag for. They were all still doing it, but it was long gone. Nothing was going live. because I've actually because I know what happened was there was a lot of we miss sleep token are you a foe

we're nipples miss sleep token about it they thought it was funny so fuck you're all yeah also who who gives a fuck like if you really wanted to see him go to the fucking gig but like a lot of it I mean I saw a lot of horrible stuff

yeah that wasn't the nicest thing but mainly like Rick and Morty fans I feel like Sleep Token fans, no offense, great bands and everything. They're a little bit on the Rick and Morty scale. Do you know what I mean by that? Yeah, I get that. The people that love them. There's a Venn diagram there.

Rick and Morty Sleep token. Oh, there's one more that fits into that Venn. Rick and Morty Sleep Token. I feel like architects are almost getting that. There's like just that middle. Like it's not, they're not bad, not bad people. No, not at all. Just, I think,

the anger was very misguided. I was like, why are you mad at me? You should be mad at Twitch. And also, I learned after the fact that it's like a user reported thing. It's not an algorithm which I thought it was. Because I was like, that's a very impressive algorithm considering other people also had their nipples. I was like, surely would that not set it up? So this is what I wanted to just like reiterate because I, a cis.

I was going to say straight. a cis male has been I've been told off for having my nipples out on a drumstream yeah so it's it's definitely not like it was a girl thing but it is I guess it's decided by the amount of spam like reports there's obviously a level where they just have to take it down there's not even like a single person that does it so they get you get the spam reports from the in-sell sleep token fans. That's me off the front page. That's fine.

This is recording. You get the spam of reports and then they take it down automatically. Surely then, why would you report a stream that are playing a band that you want to see and then complain that the stream has been taken down? Now, that's the Venn diagram. That's the snake eating its fucking tail. That's the people in the middle. But yeah, I've been told, don't have your nipples out.

Well, I get sweaty when I'm playing drums. I saw a tweet, someone being like, she must have known. And I was like, I don't fucking know what Twitch is. I don't know how Twitch works. People think that we're clever, don't they? Like, everyone's like. There's a reason I'm in a band. Like, yeah.

I'm not very good at much else. You must have known the ins and outs of the streaming industry. If you signed up to play the bass in a band. That's what they teach on day one. Yeah, that's in the little press. thing of all the things that they teach you. I was the last, I think, the last award as well, so it was fine. I don't give a shit.

My mum didn't even get to see me win the award. Like, you think I did, someone said they thought I did it on purpose and I was like, my mum was really upset. She didn't get to watch us win the award. Oh, because I shut it down. Yours was afterwards. Ours was after it happened, yeah. And they were all like sitting in the living room waiting.

And I was like, Mary, I'm sorry. Shout out, Mary. This is my official apology. That is such an ironic. name. Mary, Mary and Stephen. I mean, is Stephen Irish? I don't know. I just feel like, I feel like the amalgamation of the two together is quite an Irish couple name.

The Irish way of saying Mary. Mary. It's fantastic. It's so musical. Yeah. So musical. Are you northern Irish? I am Northern Irish.

I know that. Yes. I know that from watching Hollyoaks. Is it? Is there, is there Northern Irish? There was back in the day, watching Hollyoaks. I mean, watching Hollyoaks, I mean, watching Hollyoaks, 20. years ago there was a guy from Northern Ireland and I remember thinking that accent's different

from the other Irish accents. But quite nicer, more musical ones. You think mine one's musical. I think the southern one's a bit more. Oududud doidoido. You can say that. I can't say that. But it's great.

We've actually got on our tour that we're doing, we've got, there's a couple of other Irish folk on the touring parties and the support in the support bands. So I feel like it's like a little bit of a Celtic alliance going on. Well, you're in. There's a weird... Scotland loves a bit of Ireland as well. Yeah. You can hear right now.

I can literally hear it. But that's the other one. So the Rangers Celtic thing up here... Don't ask me about football. I'm not going to. But it's insane. But there's a weird link to Ireland. But I don't know what it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Celtic is... I think it was started as like... You know what? I'm not ever going to try and go back into it. because again, I don't know a lot about football, but I do know there is a connection with Ireland

in the Celtic team in Scotland. We'll get, yeah, we'll get all the reports. Yep. She got it wrong. She got the Celtic wrong. When a sleep token on. Celtic are from. La la la la.

Bye. What's the crack? What have you been up? How do you feel? Cleaning my whole fucking house. This is great. Let me tell you. I didn't fucking clean any of it.

I cleaned this room. Shout out Lika, who actually did all that. She's having a nap right now. Blessing. I would have let you come in as it was, but she was like, what if she goes in the drawers?

I'm not even fucking kidding you. Like, where the cutlery is and stuff is clean, just in case you had to use a spoon. Maybe she thought it was going to be like, come dine with me and I was going to, like, rifle through all your stuff. Maybe. Like, I'm going to show you that drawer in a minute after this,

and you're going to be amazed. But it's like kind of a right. rival for you. Like, this is the first, trying to make this look good, if you're listening to this on the actual audio podcast. This looks amazing. That's what it looks like in, in the internet.

I kind of want one of these. I love pink. It doesn't look as pink on the streams. You know what I'm going to do? Over my face. Over the host. Three different lenses trying to make this look good. Some of it got too much of the big cupboard in.

Some of it got too much. much of the rubbish radiator. This all sounds very technical. I really, I really admire the dedication to the cause. This table was built especially for you today because I couldn't, I couldn't get these microphones away from that table.

It must be really boring if you listen to the audio one. I couldn't get the microphones away from the table and closer to me and you, obviously, so this table had to be built. But it also holds our drinks and that's the most important thing, isn't it? And I don't know if you notice

the, uh, the carpet. The branded rug. I love a good rug. Just putting all the, putting all the fucking branding into it. Um, what day are you on have you taught? Four. Three?

Four. T.M. Four. Four. Test says four. So it's four. Yeah, we were in Newcastle last night, which was class crack. That was so much fun.

So Irish. I love it. I. No, I'm not even going to try. No, I'm not even going to try. No, I'll be cancelled. Let the people here. Isn't that.

I don't know what you can get cancelled for these days. Could I get cancelled for an Irish accent? Only I can, so I'll decide. I'll decide after you do it. Yep. This is me giving you permission. Can you say something and I'll try and get it right? Hi, no, Brian Kye.

Hi, no, Brian Kai. Wow, that was really good. Fuck yeah. Every single English person that I've ever tried to do that has failed miserably. You did that pretty well. You know what's mad? I've got both my parents are Scottish. both of them Glasgow region

Is that why you live up here now? No That's for a lady And the very cheap housing market But also Like I can't do a Scottish accent I could do Northern Ireland now But I cannot do Scottish

Well I get quite often people thinking That I'm either I always get Scottish Australian and American American Yeah I get American quite a lot Which I don't really understand From who?

In what? In this country. Random folk in my DMs being like, oh my God, are you American? I'm like, no. I'm really not. Nor would I want to be personally. But like...

I see it. We're off. The reports are coming in. She said, let me put this cheeseburger down. They said that I was... Right, your day for Newcastle was class crack. Newcastle was class.

When I say it sounds like crack. Yeah, crack, crack. I mean, it is pronounced exactly the same way. It's just, you know, about contextual nuances and everything, you know. You got to figure out when it's being used. Okay, so I don't mean free-based cocaine. Nope.

I mean... I mean, class. I mean, class. Entertainment banter. It was a lovely time. Last night was great. What made it so good? The fucking floor was bouncing.

It was great. Every show so far has been sold out, and Glasgow has just sold out a couple of hours ago. So we're doing a sold-out show again tonight. So there's only one left to sell out on the tour, which is the London show, which is the biggest date next Thursday and the O2 Ossington. I don't know when this is going out. I mean it's live right now. I mean this is going out right now.

I mean this. They might come. Yeah, if anyone's in London, come fucking see a fun show. What's the venue? O2, Earrington. I did say that. Oh, too, I'm sorry. O2 O'Sington.

I was captivated by the accent. Isington. I've actually only been there once and it was after slam dunk a couple years ago and I was there for about five minutes and then I left. We headlined it on our last headliner. and it sold out and it was the best gig I've ever played in my life. Tess is nodding. She says it was good.

It was the best gig I've ever played in my life. Venue, crowd, everything. It was the most scared I've ever been before a show because it's like, it's a big deal selling out that room and not my parents were there and everything.

It was just like... We did our biggest headline at the underworld a couple of a few months ago and my dad and my brother were there and I was pure shit in it. Yeah, it's like I've never... Just the only time I've ever played a good gig was that one. Every other time they come, I fuck it up.

I'm just rubbish. I don't know if I believe that. Absolutely you would. The, what was you going to say about Islington? Something I'm supposed to be a professional. I've got no brain. Something about the gig. Talk to me about the gig.

It's the only one on the tour. It's the only one on the tour that's not sold out. Sell it out. How many's left? Without lying about it. It doesn't matter. I remember what I was going to say. Fuck you.

Right. Okay. There's less than 50 tickets left. Could be a lie. Could be. You'll never know. What I was going to say is you guys fucking, like, as you just said, last, you did the headliner.

At the underworld. Underworld. When was that? The 11th of September. Yeah. So that jump, that jump is absolutely crazy. And we, so we stray asked you guys, I guess via an age.

to support us on our next headliner, which is... Did you? Yeah, this is before you... Before you did all these selling out things, right? So we asked whoever, like six months ago, to plan for 2020 to do something at the end of 2022, and the message back, and to be fair, they were right, was just basically...

Nah, we'll be bigger than that by then. We'll be bigger... Sorry, we'll be bigger than you by then. No, first of all, I don't think that's going to happen. Second of all, I really like your band, so I'd be happy to do that. So I'm going to get back to our agent and be like, here, why'd you say that? Yeah, we got, I mean, it was rightfully so. None of us were like, I don't think that's going to happen.

It was like, when it's worth a shot. Because if you, if you sell out Islington, then when we sell out Islington. When we sell out Islington. When, sorry, manifest. Manifesting it. When you sell out Islington, then that puts us at the same level to the, promoters eyes and then you did that in two months so the person whoever you got working for you is a fucking magician so because they knew it yeah excuse me we're gonna be far bigger than you by then

judging by the metrics i don't know we'll see yeah it is just a bit mad i can't remember on yeah lockdown brain i can't even remember if the if i think the underworld gig was booked quite a long time ago obviously then got like pushed back or whatever it's kind of like the same things Rena Siam was just done in London. She just did Electric Brixton in one night and then the round house the next night because they were like meant to be about a year apart and they both got pushed back to

so far that it was one after the other. Fucking hell. That's cool as fuck though. I know. She's a badass. It's great. I really wanted to go to one of the shows but it was the night before our tour started and I was tired. Tired and you got to like I can't come to your show tonight because you've got to think about the COVID thing. I know. Because I go to America

in one week. That's exciting. I don't know Have you been to Cat House? Have you ever been? Yeah, I've been to cat house. If I had to design a... It actually looks and feels a lot nicer now than it did when I was last there. Last time I was there. I mean, there's not any people in it right now, so maybe, maybe that's it.

It's about to become a artist's depiction of a COVID incubation chamber. What, like a Jackson Pollock? That just, yeah, just like... Turn on the UV lights and it's just... Honestly, so like, I can't possibly go. And there's about three gigs this week. Yeah, fair enough. I can't blame you.

Because if I don't go to, because when I broke my back, I like, I put back our album. And if I get COVID this time, our album doesn't come out next year. That would suck. So I need to be. And then the vinyl would come out like four years after. The vinyl's already like end of 2020. I don't even want to think about that. Actually, it's crazy.

Did you see what Adele did today? Did you see that? Spotify thing. I love that so much because I hate nothing more than the idea of one, someone listening to if, I was going to say if we put out an album. when we put out an album of someone, one, listening to it on like laptop speakers or two, shuffling it, like, that both of those make me, like, shudder. The shuffle thing on principle I get, because if you're shuffling an album.

Explain to me, because I don't. Well, I know as in, like, getting, like, not shuffling albums. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, like, the statement of removing it seems to be... What, you think it's removing free will? Yeah, it seems a bit insincere to me. I don't know. I don't know.

If you want your album to be listened back to front by everyone on earth, don't be a coward. Put out one, put out one 45 minute long song like My Sugar. Yeah, fair enough. I mean... I back it, but I feel like taking the option away,

I don't know. Did it need to get taken away, or is it more publicity? I don't, I didn't read the full article, but I'm pretty sure it was just, I think it did I read the headline. I think it's obviously I think it's like a default setting thing

so default it would set to shuffle so now it default sets to just play in order Oh defaults to shuffle Apparently so I think this is this is what I really should have read the article Yeah I did It's fine only happened about half an hour ago And I was busy and you were busy cleaning so You know what I did? I read the headline

I do this quite a lot I read the headline Thought of something funny and then posted it I didn't read the art And it even tells me now Do you want to read this article first Nah. No, because that might make my joke less funny.

Might make my joke less funny. It needs to fucking go up. Four days left. No, you've done four days. We've done four days. There's ten days in total. We're in... Where are we next?

T.M. Give me the rundown of the dates. We're doing... We're doing Key Club in Leeds. London is Lincoln. Then a day off, then Southampton had to join us. Then a day off. Then Lester the shed.

Amazing stuff. We're doing quite a lot. Without even looking. at a laminar. Yeah, nothing. Didn't look... She didn't look at it. She didn't look at it.

We were doing quite a lot of DJ set. We're doing a DJ set after the gig tonight as well. Oh, by the way, there's a couple of tickets on the door. There's like five tickets on the door. If any, I don't know how much of your listener base is actually in Glasgow. There's quite a few. But if you fancy coming to a rock and roll show tonight. Wait, do this.

You should do this. Put one random name on the guest list now and then someone can go and try to be out of it. Okay. So if somebody, somebody put your name in the chat and I'll put you on guest list. No, let's make a name. Oh, you mean a random name? Greg dog shit. Greg dog shit, you're one lucky man.

Why can't you do Greg dog shit? I can do something with dog shit, but not Greg. You have so many Gregs on here already. You've got so many Gregs on the guest list, all right. Let me on the guest list. Darren dog shit. Right. Someone can have a free to.

Testors are not going to send that to the promoter. They get a plus one? I want this to happen. Am I allowed to make this happen? Can I put your dog's name on the guest list? Do you want to get the dog? I would love if you would get your dog. I'll entertain the people while you're gone.

Okay. I want that. I want that Darren, Darren dog shit on the guest list and I want someone from here to go. No. Can you read? No, I just came up with Darren dog shit. No, I mean, can you read the chat?

No, I don't want to read the chat. I don't. We don't. We don't read the chat. That's the headlines. We don't want the head. No, that's the real stuff. I'm going to get the dog.

Awesome. You need to say whatever you want. Whatever I want. Oh no, I don't like being left with the opportunity to say whatever I want. It's too non-restrictive. What's the crack, everyone? Tell the story. I've got this little...

Should I pour out one of these? Hi, baby. She could probably just sit in that middle bit there afterwards. She could probably just sit in that middle bit there afterwards. It's very excited. If you're listening to the audio version of this podcast, a tiny dog has entered the room. Wait, she sniffed the microphone. Can you hear it?

She's very happy to see you. I told you, if I was a dog, I'd be a chihuahua because I often shake with rage. She does. She do be shaking with rage. She do be shaking with rage. You don't think we look like spitting image of each other. Because, I mean, again, not for me to say,

tiny and tiny, not for me to say, but you look like a tiny dog. The levels like I went to as well because she thought you might want to meet the dog. The dog has had a bar. The dog's been... No, you do not be the dog just for me. The dog's been...

Let's smell her. She does smell delicious and she feels very freshly groomed. Usually she smells like a foot. There's lots of chihuahas and... That's actually hers. A little, a little emotive her on the Twitch. She usually smells like really quite bad. I used to have a wippie.

And she smelled like popcorn. This... Come to see you. This... This thing smells a bit like, it feels a bit like cheese sometimes. Come on, up here. I'm a bit confused.

She's not allowed in this room. No pets allowed in this room. Is it because of the carpet? Is it because of like, just genuinely like hair getting everywhere. We've got three cats. Does she get on with cats? No, they hate her.

They're putting out. Sit there and be nice. Sit there and be nice. Everyone, including me. I would like, I would fucking love it. what is in my head i was like can we drink that fucking whiskey yet

we fucking can't and i bought a small bottle so we don't drink a whole bottle to ourselves because i reckon it wouldn't be out the question otherwise i've got a bottle of highland park if you want to get a really i do like that one if you want to get a real glasgow um right let me get this back on track while you you sort that out what are we going to do with this though i don't know this is this is you can't yeah oh torments Does that mean you're technically my tool managers? Could you get some ice?

Is that all right? There's a... We only need two chips. There's a freezer. Should only have your whiskey with one cube of ice, if anything. I mean, I could do it with no ice, to be honest. Let's do this. We're going to do no ice.

Oh, dead air on the podcast. My fucking podcast. I do what I want. It's fine. You can edit it, right? I never edit it. Oh, no. My drums, video, the whole reason I got into streaming, this is no joke.

Streaming drums. is because I hate any kind of like thing you have to do on a computer, whatever part of your brain that you need to do the like, edit, editing is kind of like soul destroying. I have so much respect for people who do it because I just cannot.

I just can't do it. I was just like, you know what, I'm not going to do it. So then when I switch to like live streaming, that big red button there means go and then that lives like that forever. And that's going and that lives like that forever.

And it goes up on the internet as it is because I cannot be bothered. Because Twitch stay up after it's happened. Awesome. That's good. I love impermanence. Exactly. It's like,

and also because then otherwise people don't tune in. There's no reason to. Otherwise, it's just YouTube, isn't it? I'll watch this later on. Yeah. No, you won't. You won't watch that. You watch it right now or not at all?

1800 people watching it right now. If you're asking. Let's get to plug in your band then instead of me. talking about dogs and whiskey. Would you like to do the Irish honors? Yeah, I will indeed. I think we're going to go iceless, but I appreciate it. Yeah, I can do iceless.

I can see myself wanting another drink after this one, though, so there might be work for you yet, if that's okay. Guess list is confirmed. Is it Darren Dog Shit plus one? Darren Dog shit. Just Darren Dog shit. So if you're a solo solo person. The perfect amount.

The Cat House, Glasgow. what's the chairs in Irish slancher again slantia can I get a spelling SL can you

oh not off the top of my head now slon slonchia don't try and spell Slancher Slonshire Perfect

Oh I nearly said something just really not on All right Well get it down you then You won't Oh That is delicious.

Don't dine it. Very smoky. Yeah, so smoky. It's just a smoky deal. I'll get so many messages. We should do hot ones, but with whiskey instead of hot sauce. I've got so many whiskeys. It can be done.

If you want to ruin your gig, it can be done. I'll get so many messages after this, hopefully not, from like the heads of music on Twitch. Like, yeah, a couple of things, because you asked for the front page and we gave it to you, but then you drank on it quite heavily. Well, when I, last time I was on Twitch which was when I did the heavy networks rock the week.

And I was very, very drunk. Maybe not the best choice of... Is that post-Nipplegate? This is pre-Nipplegate. This is during the pandemic. And we were also locked in our houses, I mean, like in the midst of big, big fat lockdown. Prime Twitch hours.

Yeah, Prime Twitch time. I really want them to bring it back in real life because I would like, because I know, never mind the Buzzcox has just been rebooted. but I feel like it's probably a bit shit. I haven't watched it. It's good. Is it? It's actually good. Is it? That makes me really happy because I really love the original.

Because you've still got Noel Fielding. You've got Greg Daniels who's real funny and then you've got Jamali Maddox who's real funny. I really like Simon Amstall I just want him to be getting back forever there. I actually, my manager when he was like, okay, so what do you want

because we were setting up what to do the live podcast or what we're going to do next? What's the next steps? And he was like, well, what's one thing that you really you want to do, but you don't think you're at yet. And that was my number one. It was like, give me on that new, never mind the buzzcocks. Honestly, I think I watched like half an episode, or I got the tail end on the TV or something.

And I texted our, I texted our press lady, who's a very good friend of mine who I've known for a lot, many years. I met her on Twitter. Actually, we were both. Shout out of her. Shout out, Mo. There we go.

Yeah, we met on Twitter because we were both One Direction fans. I love the One Direction fan girl to music industry professional pipeline. It's very real. But anyway, I texted her and I said, Mo, what do I have to do to get on? Never mind that's dogs. I reckon your stock is right now. I reckon you can do that.

I don't know. I can't really tell from inside my brain, but everyone keeps saying this, so I'm just going to believe everyone else. Let's talk about you, man, then, because we, you know, some of these people won't know. If you had, this is what I like to do with people.

If you had to, let's say, hypothetical situation. you're at a Christmas dinner with, I don't know, a new squeeze at their family. Right, you're at their family's house. All right. And their nan, that's Grandma, America, says, what do you do? Well, dear Derry.

I heard you're in a band, like a rock band. I mean, this is what I have to say when I see my, actual grandmother. She's like, what is it you do again? Are you still doing the music stuff? And I'm like, yeah,

she's like, what's your band called? I'm like, war-gasm. She's like, oh, okay. So this,

this roleplay. I am, Deirdre. Deirdre. Your squeezes grandma. And I say, with my dodgy hip.

So, So you're in a band? Yes, Deirdre. I guess you could say that. Oh, it's not a band. Oh, it's a... See, I'm going to fuck you up there. I'm going to fuck you up.

I can't take you seriously. I'm in the character of Deirdre. I guess it's kind of a man. We always like to say it's a bit more of a thing. But no, we make music. Well, whoa, whoa, no, no. Deirdre's not happy with that. It's not a band.

It's a thing. It's a thing. So I need to... We do more than just make music. We like to make things look nice as well and make it a bit more of a, not to the level of a band such as static dress, shout out, who are kind of an immersive experience more than anything else. But we always like to take how things look into account.

And, you know, it's not 100% about the music. Obviously, the music comes first. But it's always fun being able to play it with the image of a band and the image that you portray and everything. and what you put out there that accompanies the music that makes everything a bit more interesting. Do you know who I think does that fucking amazing?

I mean, less cool than static dress. Ghost. Yeah. Like the, when they came out and they had the Pope thing and then next album, they did the changing of the Pope. And they like, every album,

there's like a change. And now it's just some young guys, like aged backwards. Yeah. Did the Pope thing, Avengers. Is that? No, no, no, I'm a, if anything, I mean, see, this is the thing. My family is technically Protestant, but none of us actually go to church.

So we're not actually really Protestant, but I come from a Protestant family, which is kind of a hard thing to explain to anyone who's not actually from Northern Ireland. But if you are, you will totally get what I mean. In Scotland, they do it as well, though. Yeah? That's the same thing. Yeah. I don't even know what it means.

This is why I can't tell you how to spell slantcha, because I went to a Protestant school, so I was never actually given the opportunity to learn Irish. Wilga as a language so I'm kind of teaching myself now a little bit but I'm not very good at languages like I said music is I'm in a band because it's what I'm the best at everything else is so easy

it's the best yeah it's so easy I love I love the constant criticism and like never having a day off did you see that meme it was like did you see that meme it was like I didn't want a 24 hour or I didn't want to office jobs and I work 24 seven

I was thinking about that earlier because people like, I was thinking, because the Patreon, the Patreon, Patreon, Patreon, Patreon, Patreon, the downbeat, whatever, which is only one pound. Go give them some fucking money, guys. Anyway, I was thinking about it. That's got to the level now where that's like, that's like my job, the Patreon, which is awesome.

And then, but sometimes I feel guilty about it. Sometimes late at night I wake up and I'm at, oh, am I stealing off these people? And then I think about it today, I reckon I've done eight hours of work before this podcast. Totally. I don't think you should feel guilty. You know,

there's always more going on behind the scenes than people give you credit for. Yeah, I feel like I don't even notice I'm doing it. Like the 24-hour job thing, it's like, hang on, I'm working. Yeah. Hang on, this is taking ages.

And yeah, especially the same with us, because we kind of do everything ourselves, all the visuals, all that, before we got tests, we did all the merch ourselves, but now she helps us with merch, thankfully. But yeah, everything's kind of a, it's very much of a,

it's kind of just us. everyone for some reason thinks we have a fucking label we don't have a fucking label no label no not not not not not not not for everything we've done so far no we've we've done it all without label and we just have our manager on our booker pretty much do you get the industry industry plant thing yeah that's why I said it yeah I thought a lot so right back to fucking Deirdre because you can get you escaped sorry I'm segueue sorry I'm segues no there'll be no segues deirdrie is the main event now because you're selling your yourself to all these Deirdreys. So Deirdre says, you're in a band and you say,

well, actually, Deirdre, not quite a band. It's a thing. You must have a word for the thing. Not right. No, definitely not. I'd say, Deirdre, I'm in a band. I'm in a band that would probably be a little bit too loud for you unless you're into that.

I mean, saying that, our producer, Charlie Russell, came to the show last night and he brought his two 80-year-old parents to the show. And his mom said that that show changed her life. For whatever reason, she didn't tell me, but she just kept saying to me, that changed my life. And they both seem to like it a lot. So, you know, people of older age can like orgasm too.

So, Deirdre, you might be into it. It's kind of loud, a little bit screaming, but not too heavy. We like lots of pop melodies. I love Brittany. Sam loves Iron Maiden. And it's kind of a little bit. bit somewhere in the middle of all those two things. That's what I was looking for.

There you go. That sentence, because my one is always, you've got to gauge how much the person knows musically. You need to go, and I'm like, what does it sound like, number one? So then the number one one, unless I'm speaking to a border officer, is rage against a machine. And then they go, oh, I know that, but if you say it to a border officer. Usually the one that we go for is, is progeny,

because it's quite, I mean, it's one that. that people always say to us it's quite prodigy-esque, which I take as a massive compliment, obviously. Yeah. But, yeah, to, that's, that's the main one that I'd go for.

That's also just... I don't know why. I want to know how you would try and describe it. I assume you have listened to our band a little bit at least. Yeah, but I mean, prodigy's a good shout.

Yeah. But I would probably, I would probably put it to someone like Deirdre. I would probably say punk because... We do. People call us electro punk quite a lot, but I don't... I mean, I'd say on the punk spectrum,

it's probably closer to stuff like bikini kill and the donnas, like early naughty's, late 90s, femme punk than anything and than anything. Oh, yeah, it's not... We're not talking like DC hardcore punk. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no. I mean, too... Deirdre doesn't know about...

Deirdre doesn't know about... to fuck Henry Rollins is. Like minor threat? Straight edge. Like the straight edge movement. Yeah, because I don't think Deidri's going to know Brodergy. Actually, just thinking, I think it's quite interesting that you wanted us on a support tour because I don't think any of your fans would like us that much.

Oh, 100% they would. You think? 100%. Tess has no. And she's a fan of both of our bands. What are you shaking your head out? Go on. Anyone who likes Craig's band.

do you like my band as well? Yeah, can we get loads of them do? Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. Leave a drop in the chat. You wouldn't be yet. Do the Pamela emote in the chat for that because then we'll see it. See, look at all these yeses.

You can read those. Oh, thanks guys. Don't tell me about planning my tours. I know what I'm doing. Look at the chat. Chat's popping off. I don't really have imposter syndrome very much. I'm like the composter syndrome very much

because I try to tell myself that I am that bitch because fake it till you make it. But when you were like, you want to be on my podcast, I was like, well, you've kind of interviewed some of like my favorite people ever.

So why me? Why not you? I don't know. Yeah, why not me? Yeah. I asked your band to come on tour with us and you snubbed us.

I didn't know why that. I asked you on the podcast. I feel like I really want to know why you think they're not good on a straight tour. Think about it. Who do we have on the last one? You did with your eyes. No, I'm not saying

there's not a crossover. What would you describe? See, so I want to know what you would, what genre do you put straying in? Because when I was on that rock the week thing, I said Berteth were metalcore and I got slated by your man from buried tomorrow.

He's like, that's not metalcore. I think I should trust him because he's in a metalcore band. He's in, he's in like if you had to just show an alien metal core. Yeah. It's, it's, there's Barry tomorrow. That's everything you need to know.

Class album. Yeah, but I was having this debate the other day with someone else, and it is a debate. Metal core, metal and hardcore. What did he say bear tooth was then? I don't know. He didn't, he didn't, he didn't provide an alternate answer. Oh, you should have fucking shot him down for that. But that's because Barry Tomorrow is like metal core, metal core. Yeah. Chuck, singing in the chorus, break down at the end see you later precursor that I kind of

when I was younger I never was really into metal or metalcore I was always very like punk indie pop lots of different kind of stuff

but never really got into metal or metalcore until I moved to London met Tess met Sam my bandmate and they kind of got me into metal

and stuff so I now you're at the fucking forefront yeah well no what I mean I would say

bear tooth honestly if I was talking to Deirdrie I would say Beartreuth If I was talking to Beatrix And Deerty I would say Bear Tooth is Rock Metal

Okay But that's only because Metal Chores become To be honest Like a dirty word Where I wouldn't say Strah's Metalcore Because we don't have

The singing chorus With the chuggy verse Which is not a bad thing But that's what metal chorus Sort of now become I would say, do you know what I would say to someone who's older? Yeah. Honestly, I would say, do you know the Beastie Boys?

And then they say, yeah. And I'd say, just think about that with like a bit more shouting. Yeah. And a little bit angrier. I can kind of get that. I mean, Beastie Boys are one of my all-time phase. But I can kind of, I can kind of. Yeah, for Deirdrie.

For Deirdre. That's what I mean. Because I've got levels to it. Because I've got the Border Patrol level where it's just like, do not say Reg Against the Machine. Do not say anything anti-establishment. If it's someone that knows about music, I mean, Roger Against Machine had number one album,

number one single. So it's kind of like, do you know Reg Against Machine? And they say, yeah. And then I say, we'll sing about that, but a bit faster. Just a little bit faster. A little bit faster. More blast beats.

And then Border Patrol is, they're like, is it like Pantera? And I go, yes it is. Yep. Have you heard of it? of Metallica, it's exactly like that. You fucking love Metallica, don't you? I had, I fucking do. You're going to be so upset. You know, we do like a 10 second cover of fuel at the end of all of our sets. Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire.

That's fucking sick. Nah, la, nah, nah, nah. Goodbye. You just do that right at the end. You've ruined it for Darren Dogg shit. Yeah, Darren Dogg shit, sorry. That's got, I did a two-hour deep dive on Metallica the other day on stream because some people didn't know. Fuel is a fucking banger. I'd actually, I'd actually love to watch that. You know what? Yeah, because there's those YouTube like essays that people do about like deep dives

into certain people's discography and stuff like that. It was like that, but cool. But I feel like you're a bit less stuffy than all the people that do that. You heard it at first. Deirdrey still wants to know. You've explained it as prodigy to Deirdre.

Deirdre says, is that the band with the synths? Do you play the synth? It's all on track, baby. It's all on track, Deirdre. There we go. No, so in the band, I play bass. vocals. How many is it on stage? How many people? There's four people on stage. Me, Sam, who is Wargazim, and then we have our session musicians. So we got Eddie on the guitar,

and we got Adam on the drums, and then we got lots of stuff on track, because we got lots of synths with no synth player. Are you going to keep it on track, or are you going to get a guy? We don't have enough. A guy is my gender neutral term for a guy. Yeah, yeah, totally. I agree. Yeah, maybe when we have more money to pay another person in the crew, you know. that is a problem isn't it yeah it is a bit of a problem um have you got vocals on track uh like kind of so harmonies harmonies and a little bit of backing stuff but no main stuff it's just kind of to like back it up i would just say for like whenever i see because when people have that stuff in their songs then you've got the opportunity later on to do like a

live at royal albert hall and then you can have like boom boom boom boom boom boom people over there doing the stuff live and then it just fucking goes nice. We've actually only recently on this tour upgraded from previously we were running our tracks from an iPod Nano. Now we've actually just upgraded to like the actual track system where it's all split into tracks. All the big shit. An interface and stuff.

Oh now you're getting, yeah, you're getting pro. Apparently it sounds better funnily enough. Yeah, people normally do that before selling out Islington Academy. So you've done quite well. I would love, I would kind of love if we were doing Islington Academy running the tracks off a fucking iPod Nano. So we don't, I guarantee you, our new record has synths on it for the first time. That's very exciting for me to hear. We're not going to have synth guys.

So that's going to be on track. And let me tell you, it's going off on iPhone 4. So, and that won't be multi-tracked. I guarantee you that will stay on that iPhone 4. It kind of just does the trick. Like, personally, I wouldn't use something that's a touchscreen if you're, if you're triggering tracks yourself, just because touch screens are bit dodgy. That's why we use something with buttons.

Don't scare me. Do you want the iPod nato? We don't need it anymore. You can... I could just put it all on this roadcaster pro. Kindly given to me. Is that just like a little sample pad thing? Yeah.

You can totally just run it off that, yeah. Bullshit! Bullshit! Have you got a gunshot one? No, I've got... We got... Say something in... Say something like real...

Catchphrase. Just say, just drop some tea right now. Anything. What's the crack? What's the crack? I thought you were going to record it, put it on a patch and play a battery. No, no, no, no, I'm not that clever. I don't know what I'm doing with that.

But I can do cheering. I can do all of the stuff. We were in the studio recently, and I have very recently got a little tiny mini set of DJ decks. And I almost used them more than I used the bass in the studio when we were writing songs, because just remixing stuff. And I had a little sample pad. on it and everyone hated that gunshot sign by the end of the week that we were in the studio. You need an air horn and the gunshot sound. I got the air horn. I got the air horn. I got the air horn. I got the

air horn. I got the gun. I got the gun. We got the gun. We got the gong, which I hate, but Sam's like, do the gong. If it was any other venue, it's just like. Just because it's cat eyes. Yeah, because I just know last time, no offense, cat house, love cat house. But I think last time I went about four people I know got COVID. So if I wasn't traveling, then I'd be going. Don't know what hold it against you. I don't see it. When's, when's, I'll be in America.

That's the whole reason. Yeah, I'm trying to think if I can go to something. How long are you going to be in America for? Because we were playing America next year. Oh, plug! With Enter Shikari in March and April. That's fucking cool. And we're also playing South by Southwest, if anyone's in Austin.

And that plugs. Professional plugs. Shikari tour. Yes. That would be fucking amazing. We did. That's a perfect fucking tour for you. Yeah, I do.

I'm kind of very honored that they've chosen to take us out to America. We did one show with them in, it was in Glasgow as well, actually. It was a couple weeks ago. Where was it? Oh, QMU? I went to a peep show quiz there two days ago. Yeah. Well, that was the one.

That was in that very room, but I was answering questions. about superhands. Did you win? No. Came pretty high though. I don't do well at pub quizzes because I get too competitive. I feel like pub quizzes are on their way out

because of people's phones and stuff. You can't. Yeah, it's just, yeah. You can't police it. I was filming people unbeknownst to them. People who I thought were cheating, I was filming them in case they won, and I was going to snitch at the end.

I've got video evidence, Google, getting it wrong. I went to see Hime once and it was just when they dropped like their second album or something and it was like a secret kind of Apple show or whatever and so on the way end they made everyone put their phones in these little pouches and then you get like a little thing. Oh yeah, I think Tool did that. Yeah. Tool did that. What's your views on that? I don't have any opinions. Come on, Mrs. Shuffle. You had a big, you had a big, you were pro no shuffle. what's your views on pocket phone

I think if it's a special kind of premiering like an album release event I think yeah totally fair enough I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend doing it at an actual actual gig that's just like our gig tonight fuck that I like I'm prone to taking a few

video it's a bit pretentious going Yeah it's a bit pretentious being like These people want to film me so I'm not going to let them case anything comes out It's nice to have a few little A few little memories of a gig

on your phone just to look back at and hear yourself singing really loudly over everything else. I feel like the pandemics like sort of changed the like the ecosphere of what's getting live streamed and what's going and whether or not you're going to a gig because like me not going tonight in case I get COVID because I need to get tested to get code for whatever reason. like I feel like the streaming is going to be more of the thing. We did so many live stream gigs over lockdown and it just like hurts my soul. Is that because there was no crowd though? I mean yeah, it's partly because it's no crowd, partly because like, like no tea,

no shade to anyone who we did, yeah, to anyone that we did live streams for. None of them were paid, so we're doing all that them all for free. And it takes probably about three days for us. Some shade then. A little bit. It takes about three days to actually put one of these things together because you you have to, you know, perform it, record it ourselves on our fucking, like, iPhones, edit it and then, like, fucking send it over and everything.

And it's like a two-day three, two or three-day process. Unpaid work. And it's all unpaid work, yeah. So, I don't know. I just, maybe that's tainted my opinion. Also, it was during lockdown, so my brain hurt. What if fans that couldn't see the show tonight had a way to see it? I would love that.

I think there's definitely a way that you can do it right. I mean, like, I was, when I was listening to a couple of other episodes in your podcast, I was listening to the, Matt Heyfee one, and he was saying about how they do all the, all the live streaming of their gigs, which I think is pretty interesting. We just, I think they do it in a good way. Me and Tom just bought all the stuff to do that for these shows we're doing next month. Are you doing the backpack thing or just not the backpack thing? I think that's like a heafee.

Is that a special? He actually, because I messaged in. I messaged him all I wanted to know the guy is unbelievable like just giving out all the knowledge you need but I just messaged him

I was like we've got all the camera switches sorted out we've got all the camera sorted out all I really need to know is like what's a good laptop that's capable of doing of taking one

HDMI and not crashing for the thing and he comes back link to the backpack this is how you use the backpack I love it when running this power conditioner I like

I love it when musicians help out each other yeah no gate keeping just just awesome just all love yeah i was i was chatted to him a little bit the other day he slid into my dms which i kind of not gonna lie loki lost my share a little bit and we just started what he's slide in with he just said i really like your band i was like well i really like your band so sick uh and then um we start talking about whiskey so probably gonna just drink drinks this is what i'm saying you'll get a tour offer from them you'll get a tour offer guaranteed sure i'll just drink some whiskey

together when next time they're over in the UK. Apps are fucking lootly. I think we, like, Trivium is one of those bands. And back to the streaming thing, I think it will be the norm. Because the setup, we looked at the setup and stuff. It wasn't that much more expensive, and it just means anyone that can't come to the show

can watch it. But like, I feel like with that there's going to be a lot less pressure on building a lineup that, rudely has to be everyone in the crowd enjoys every band. It's more like his, what's that thing that used to be on at Christmas?

And it was like, oh, the queen shit. What's the queen shit? And she watches a bit of a comedian. She watches a bit of something else. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't watch anything to do with the queen. Me neither. But I did.

No, the fucking, fuck the queen on the front page. So, the Royal Variety performance, that person's right. Oh, so you knew it. Oh, no, you could read that. That's what I meant. Okay, so in my dune-like futuristic future, there'll be a huge sandworm in the background,

but then the shows will be very, that's just the, you haven't seen the memes about the worm? I've seen the memes about the worm, yeah. Wadham. I don't go about knowing Wadams. No, but like there'll be less, it'd be more of like an experience thing.

I kind of like it when lineup, I'm really, can you tell that I'm really offended by that? I love it when a lineup is, super diverse. Eclectic. Eclectic, much better word. You should be a podcaster. I would just chat so much shit.

That's what I do. And I don't know if that's what people want. I mean, it absolutely is. It absolutely is the only reason anyone tunes into anything. Okay, there was a great segue into this, but I ruined it by talking about something else. But you said you were in the studio. Yes, we were in the studio.

We've done a little, we did a little residential spot in a studio in Lincoln called the Chapel. I think it's in Lincoln. I don't know. My geographical skills aren't great. But yeah, we were there for only a week and we managed to crank out a couple of tracks. Some of them, one of them we put out

not that long ago, just on the first day of tour, scratch card feeling. Go listen to it now. And another one of them, we actually play live at the shows. And it's probably my favorite track that we have ever. It's basically just like a rave techno metal song.

right you've taken them out yeah do you know do you know Atari Teenage yes that's kind of like that see this is why I still put you in in with the punk sphere they're they're very they're they're they're pretty punk but they also just love drum and bass and like all that hoist that old school tech now yeah I guess I'm thinking of what punk is now

because punk now I don't know I guess I'm thinking of electro punk I don't even know what I'm fucking That's probably the most common descriptor that we get. But Deirdre's just going to go, what do you mean? Do you mean it's plugged in? Like what? What the fuck?

So you didn't do an album? I think we did an album. We're not specifically going into the studio to say, okay, we're going in. We're going to write an album. We kind of had like 17 tracks on a whiteboard and we were like, let's just kind of write all these ideas, get them out onto a fucking, get them all fleshed out and see what comes of it. If it comes of an album, then it comes of an album.

We're not specifically. We're not really... So you really have no idea what you're doing? Yeah, we're really not. We're really not. I mean that in the nicest possible way because a label would be going, excuse me, what the fuck are you doing with all these singles?

That's why it's a good thing and we don't have one of those. Yeah, we're definitely not structured enough to say. We're going to go in, this is the storyline. This is what we're doing. This kind of album, that kind of album. We're going to write all the tracks. We're going to do it all and record it all and track it all.

Because for us, we don't really, have any live drums on our tracks anymore. The last couple of tracks we've done don't have any live drums on them. Rude. I still need them, do you? Not with your kind of music. Not with our kind of music. Definitely not. Definitely not. But obviously there's a, there's a time and a place for everything. Cheaper. So much cheaper not to do it. This is the thing. It's so much cheaper. And it kind of means that we can, we didn't really need to go into this residential studio, but it's kind of good to be locked away in a place where you can't go anywhere else. You can't go to the pub. You can't go to the shop. You can't go to a shop. up, you kind of just, you wake up, you eat your breakfast, and then you go write and you write

all day until 2 a.m. and then you go to bed. That's what we do in New Jersey? Yeah. Will Puntley's place. You just live there. Wake up, do it. It's a very, it's a very effective way of getting a lot of tracks done at once. When you say, like, so no label, obviously you've been approached by labels. Yeah. Are you saying no on purpose, or are you waiting for that fucking, I said, yeah, I said no, because either the deal has just not been right for us or, yeah, it does, doesn't. What's the deal you want? I'm not spelling any name. Shut the fuck up.

Because there must be, there must be a number. There's actually not really that many. It's probably only been maybe like one. Have you got management? Yeah, we've got management. Okay, good. Ian Dickinson, we're with 5B. Shout out 5B.

I'm with 5B. The Downbee's with 5B. There we go, Adam Foster. Adam Foster. That's your legend. That's how we sorted this out. It's not. oh that's good for good for you five bit yeah wait until that fucking deal to come because

you're coming when we when we kind of got that all sorted out we hadn't we hadn't even really launched yet we'd spoken to a couple of a couple of a couple of people that thought they'd be interested in management wasn't really a right fit for us and i can't remember how we met in actually but i remember we just went to a pub with them and we just sat there and chatted for about four hours and we were like right well we get on really well you seem to get what the idea is. You seem into it and we like all the same stuff. Like him and Sam both really like anime and shit

and me and him both really like 90s rap and shit. So we've got the, we're on that level with him. And I think that's an important thing to have it, a manager. I don't know the guy personally. Number one, I think he might have been the guy that told us to go fuck ourselves when we ask you. But number two, I know he's into vintage t-shirts.

Very into vintage t-shirts. A couple of times he's come up in my explore page actually because most of my Instagram is just sneakers and vintage t-shirts. And it comes up, it's like, people you may know. I don't have a vintage banty on me right now, but this is my favorite piece of musical merchandise that I have. This is an original Prince jacket. Oh, my God.

From his pop-up that he did in 1994 in Camden. Oh, my God. That's fucking sick. With a pin from Paisley Park. It says Paisley Park on the back of it, and it says New Power Generation on the front. How did you get that? eBay's finest baby.

Yeah. When? How long ago? Let me tell you the story of this fucking jacket. Let's go. I'd been looking at it for a while. It'd been up. No one had bid on it.

No one had. What was the starting price? It was originally set at 250 and I was like, oh, I like it. But like, obviously I'm not a very, I don't, I don't buy a lot of vintage t-shirts because Ian would pay $2.50 for that for that. Fucking nothing. But I was like $2.50. Please sign out to the Patreon so I can buy a jacket.

that. It'd been up for a while, no and a bit on it. It was still there. It was still chilling. So I thought I'd message them and I said, they were in London. So I said, I'll give you 150 in cash and I'll come and meet you tomorrow morning. And they were like, okay, awesome. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. So, um, I, yeah, 150. I tracked down, I tracked down to South London and I was kind of shitting myself. We were talking over email trying to organize like this pickup and stuff. And I got to this, drug deal. Yeah, I got to this housing estate in South London. And this, this person, on eBay was like, oh, come upstairs. And I was like, oh, no, you know, COVID.

And also, I'm not fucking coming upstairs into your flag. I was like, oh, can you, can you come down? I see, no, I can't come up COVID and stuff. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And then down walks, these two, like, South London lesbians holding this jacket in arm, like, beaming face is like, oh, my God, I'm so glad you're getting this jacket. Are you a fan? And I'm like, I'm the biggest fucking fan.

They're like, you're not going to sell it, are you? I'm like, fuck no, this is my jacket. No one else is getting this Prince jacket. It's incredible. And we just sat there and chatted. And they were like, oh yeah, it came from this pop-up that he did in Camden in 1994, I think it was. 94 or 96, I can't remember, before I was born. How long ago did you buy that?

This was during lockdown. That jacket is worth over a thousand pounds. Yeah, easily. They'd so, like, low-balled it a lot. But no one else is getting it, like I said. It's mine now. So jealous of the jacket. I did.

buy a really good blood sugar sex magic one that I've been looking at for ages on eBay that Ian I know you don't like red hot chocolate peppers it's fine not only do I not like them you actively dislike them it's one of the few bands that I think are awful well this is where we're going to be at a crossroads anyway I bought the t-shirt I bought the t-shirt it was a little bit more than I wanted to pay for it but it was pretty fucking good um and actually quite a fun Easter egg if you watched their Woodstock 99 performance. There's a stage invader fan who's wearing the same t-shirt. Obviously, I don't know if it's the exact same t-shirt,

but it's the same print. Obviously, I imagine from the same year. But I swapped it to Ian, our manager, for this amazing limp biscuit long sleeve that he had. And I'm glad I did because that limb-biscuit long sleeve is fucking sweet. I would definitely rather be... Oh, wait, what's the guy called that we had yesterday? He said to say hi to you.

Ronnie. Ronnie. Ronnie our sound guy. Ronnie your sign guy came up. We was at the Newcastle gig yesterday and he came up to me at download I think and said how much do you want for that limb biscuit shirt? I said you're a cheeky bugger. Ronnie, Ronnie's the fucking man.

Shout out Ronnie. Show out Ronnie, yeah. My favourite t-shirt I have is a... And justice for all tour shirt, 988. Oh, I think I saw this on your Instagram the other day. That's... 988.

And the best thing about it was, when I bought it, my friend Corey helped me sort it out but when I bought it was like during lockdown it didn't fit me but now lockdown's lockdown's over and I'm active

and now it fits me that's always quite a good motivation buying things that you don't fit into to make yourself fit into it it turned up and I was like well this is insane I can't go around I'm wearing this t-shirt that's simply not an option

I like the element of can you tell this dog fucking hates me I like go back the element of like I don't know that was a moment in time like having a having a tour t-shirt from the 80s

I remember I was I was visiting home once and I was sitting waiting doing a what's called an auction an eBay auction for a Beastie Boys t-shirt that was like a couple hundred and it was actually it started quite low but I knew it was going to go up to a couple hundred

and my parents were like, what are you doing? What are you? And I'm, oh, I'm bidding on this t-shirt. And they were like, well, how much is it? And I was like, well, right now it's at like 80-90. And they were like, you're spending 80 pounds on a t-shirt. And I'm like, yeah, it's an original Beastie Boys fucking license to ill t-shirt. Of course I'm spending 80 quid on it.

That is fucking unbelievable. I didn't. It's all right. It's all right. I didn't get the podcast. Oh, I didn't get the t-shirt in the end, sadly. So my search for a Beastie Boys T-shirt continues. Uh,

So are you without this sentence is going to sound like a really bad chat upline. So I'm actually going to phrase it as if it's a chat upline. Are you a model? I am a model, yeah. All right, okay, so I knew that, but I didn't want to say it like because it would have sounded. That is my, that is my profession outside of musicianing. How long has that been going on? I've been doing modelling professionally for maybe like nearly, nearly,

10 years and I actually have been doing it since I was 16, 15. What kind of modeling? I do lots of different stuff, mostly like hair and beauty, but I've done campaigns, I did, I don't want a name drop. I don't want to like, eh. Well, yeah, give me a name drop, because I saw

a couple and I was like, I shot with Terry Richardson once, which was gone. These people don't know who Terry Richardson is. Terry Richardson is a very predatory photographer who does take very good photos,

admittedly, but he's also a massive cunt. Are we getting a fucking scoop here? No, there's no scope. Nothing happened.

He was quite nice to me and obviously that's not an excuse. You know, people can be nice to one person and not nice to another person. Give me a less horrible example. Oh, I don't know.

No, I haven't, yeah, it's hard to kind of, you know, name drop things in an industry where people don't actually know many of the other stuff.

But I've done, I don't know, I've done lots of hair modeling, beauty modeling. I worked out in Japan for a while of my life And I isn't it the best place on earth I can't wait to go It's like my number one place that I check all the time

Yeah Like can are they letting people in yet? Yeah it's still not fucking amazing I was probably like 15 or 20 minutes Out of Shibuya so super central Just literally the best place on earth It's so good I really really love it So I was there for maybe three months or something

so a couple of years ago. I, uh, it was actually, I dropped out of university. So I originally moved over to London to study fashion, London College of Fashion. I was like, and then I was like, this is shit. Uh, apparently I don't like being told, I mean, apparently, I just don't like being told what to do. Authority figures don't really work for me. So university was not very good dynamic. So I arrived. Uh, was there for a year. And I was like, right, fuck it. This is not for me. I dropped out. And then literally 30 minutes later, my agency in London said to me

oh this agency in Tokyo wants you to go when can you go and I'm like well I just dropped out of university so I can go tomorrow so a couple days later I was out in in Tokyo working out there that's a divine path if ever I heard honestly that made me believe in like a lot of like one door closes another one opens

manifestation bullshit which is actually not bullshit at all it kind of really does work oh I fully agree yeah fully on board I want my new manifestation I want Love Island decking yeah what do you have an outside bit of here no nothing I want

I want to succeed enough to have if anyone doesn't know Love Island is a terrible TV program but in it there's like an area outside and there's lovely decking and then they have like a hot tub and that's what I want so that's what I'm manifesting I would just like

a house in London of any That's about, now, funny joke, right? Yeah, my one in Glasgow is much,

much less than your one. Yeah, in terms of energy needed. We live in London right now, and it's kind of depressing how much we're paying for how many times we get robbed. It's like, why is this happening?

Do you get robbed? Yeah, we got our drums fucking robbed. Oh, shit, I remember. Like two days before a slam dunk. And we're like, ah, this is good.

Did you get anything back? No, we didn't get the drums back. The kind of kind of thing like that. It's like, it's good when people share it online, but as soon as anyone gets word that it's being shared by online, they're just going to destroy it.

It's almost to be caught with something stolen, you know? I heard like quite a happy ending to one of those things recently. Is it a noisy one? Yeah, but now I can't tell you because I wasn't going to tell the band. Yeah, oh, sorry. And I was just going to tell the story, but I don't think the story's officially out, but they got their gear back. It's on BBC because my mum sent it to me and she was like,

look at this, maybe this could happen to you. And I'm like, no. It's out on BBC? Well, the news is out. The news is out. No, he got all their shit back, yeah. Is the news out how they got it back? Yeah, I think they put it in the article.

Okay, I haven't read the whole article. Just the headline. Just the headline. So I'm just not going to say anything, but they got it back. They went on online auctions and I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Then, yeah, that's in the article.

Okay. But the guy's obviously not just going to give it to them. Yeah. Oh, here you go. I stole your stuff. So there's a, I read the article before I. everyone else go read the article and then you'll find out how noisy got their shit back read it for me and then give me the headlines yeah i'm really glad that happened to them because i think they're a sick

band we played some shows with them unbelievable band they're uh their session drummer ben mead shout out ben me it's very very good friend of mine just playing that band dead swans you remember dead swans i remember dead swans again see deirdre i would say punk even though it's different even though it's different very different to you i'd still put it all in punk Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's a wide genre. Genre is dead at the end of the day, but for Deirdre... And so is line-up genres. Yeah.

If I'm honest. Yeah. If I'm honest with your line-up genres is dead. Right, you know what we need to do? Because you have a show to play and there's a bunch of shit. I know what time it is, but I'm in control. Don't worry. Everything's fine. Okay.

I believe you. First of, we got, have I not plugged anything? We're playing a show in Glasgow tonight. That's tonight. Give me the rest of the things. All the other shows are. old ice, you can't come to any of them. Sorry. Do this. Do this. Come on, because it'll be funny. Can you please do this?

Can you put Darren Doggit on the guest list at every night for the, at least? So now, any, only, only the people who have watched this will know how to get into our show if it's, if they want to come in. It's all right. It'll be first, come first to have Darren dog shit. Confirmed. Only one spot though. So you've got to be. T. T.M. says yes. So you've got be a loser. Turn up on your own. My name is, you have to look someone in the eye on your

own with no friends. Oh no. Here. My name is Darren dog shit. Can I have a ticket? I love going to gigs alone. Or at least I did when I first moved to London. I had no fucking friends at all. And then I met. No, no, no, no, no. No, it's fine. It's fine.

No, but the thing is, I was moved, I was, I moved over to London from a completely different country. All my other friends from school went elsewhere. in the UK, didn't know anyone. And then I met Tess and I met Sam. How long was it? I moved to London maybe like four or five years ago. What busy five years you've had?

Yeah, I know, I was a bit mad. But when I... The jacket, the her, the band, everything. But when I first moved to London, I kind of just went to, before I met them, I kind of just went to gigs on my own. And I just took photos on disposable cameras and shit and I didn't... Oh, that's good, though. But it's good because that's how I met Sam,

because I took photos of his band and then... his manager saw the photos and then was like, have you seen these photos? They're pretty sick. And then he was like, yeah, let's get her down to some shows. And then me and Sam met and Chad, and that's how I orgasm started. So you do photography as well? No, I wouldn't say I'm a photographer.

No, no, definitely not. I literally just took disposable cameras, like the ones you can get in boots to gigs. And I took photos and they actually looked half decent, so I just put them on Instagram. I would not call myself a photographer. I mean, if you made a little shitty fucking snappy snap's camera look decent.

This is the thing. This is the thing. When I was doing this and people were looking at these photos and asking me what camera I took them on and I'm like, it's literally just a Kodak

disposal of camera. Yeah, so that means you're good. I was going to study fashion. I got a shit camera to look good. It's all about the eye. You don't need any of this expensive shit. It helps if that's your vision,

but that was simply not my vision. So Darren Dogg shit. No photo pass for you. No faux pass. I was called Girl in the Pit because I was just like in these mosh pits taking fucking like film photos. Darren Dogg shit.

Bring a shitty little fucking camera. You might meet your band mate. You might be turning down labels in the future. You might be turning down straight from the path support slots. You might be snubbing. You might be snubbing. I'm joking. Top five bands.

Let's just go. Let's go straight. We got the plugs going. The plugs are done. Right. Well, my number one of all time forever is Lady Gaga. Respect. I wouldn't expect anything.

anything less from the very artistic lady in front of me. Oh, thank you. I have a good, can I segue into a good story about Gaga? I was hoping you would. It's actually to do with whiskey as well and it probably stems from a lot of my love for whiskey. We're going to.

No, see, this is why I brought this because I knew that this would happen. Do you want to know, you see, you've got that? Am I going to ruin your gig if I get in bottle of whiskey? Yeah, I'm piercing myself because I'm already, I haven't had dinner either. Okay. Well, that's why I'm trying to get some sort of takeaway going. Give me the Gaga story.

Right. Me, 15 years old. Two days before the gig in the Aviva Stadium in Dublin. Camping outside. 48 full hours. I'm there camping. I made this wig with lights in it. I hand studded this leather jacket.

I've got all this fake blood over me. I am ready to go. Gig stars, the darkness supporting. Also incredible. That's a diverse lineup. The darkness and Lady Gaga. See? See?

See? see anyway carry on with your story so I end up being at the barrier um she has this bit in the show where she brings someone on stage she brought me on stage obviously he dressed like a fucking christmas tree or whatever you said literally all these fairy lights in this massive wig she was like you with the wig with the lights you must come up on stage um and then she brought me up and she had this big massive bottle of jameson and she was like passing around us all she was like are you all 18 and I was like yeah yeah yeah totally me 15 years all at the time that's amazing um so i drunk jameson with uh lady gaga in front of 35 000 people in dublin that's so cool yeah it was

one of the best nights in my life easily fucking cool story how long ago was that that was um i'm 23 now that was when i was 15 you can do the maths um yeah it was recent enough eight years ago says text what was she on songwise what was her hour album. That was the born this way. Oh, wow. Born this way one, yeah.

Big. I saw, yeah. Big time. That was, it was an incredible show. So she number one? She's number one.

She's number one. Probably closely followed number two. It's probably David Bowie. One of the first CDs I ever got. My mom and dad aren't really massively musical. They didn't really like hand me down any records or anything to listen to. But my auntie, however,

she gave me like all of her stuff. And the two that she gave me, my first CDs were David Bowie and Stevie. and Stevie Wonder. So David Bowie's definitely up there. Prince is definitely in the top five, 100%. He's the greatest. Yeah, the greatest guitar hero of all time.

No questions. Fight me if you think anything difference. Or just like try and try and prove me wrong. How long she, I don't know, I'm, 2016. Wait, what were you going to say? Yeah, I was going to say that. Yeah, 2016.

Prince and David Bowie died within months. of each other. Do you think that was a good year for me? Do you know what I was thinking in that year? Black Star, the last, the last every barry album, that is fucking amazing. I remember it came out and I was like sitting in history class and I just had to like go to the toilet and listen to it and cry.

It is so... It's really, really good. Right up my street in terms of just like, this is horrible. It's so horrible and so forthcoming. Like, the man fucking knew. I've got a theory anyway. Because 2016, was it, 2016 was it?

Yeah, everyone died. Everyone died. So I got a theory that they were all at one party with like really bad drugs. And they all took a line of this like drug that was cut with whatever and it had like an exact half life. It's like that in time movie with Justin Timberlake where, you know, you're, basically you're given the time you're going to die and it's on your arm and they were all given. They were given the line. They were given the line you die. Yeah, the line you die

And then it was Because it was like that Yeah, it was fucking crazy It was really savage It was a bit of a grim one Yeah, it's too dark, it's too dark Right, that's you on four You got a fifth

Gaga, Bowie, Prince Are you on three? I'm on three, yeah That was my third Fourth, I'd say probably I'm gonna, I'm gonna show Is you gonna go chili peppers or what? Yeah, you know, I'm gonna do this one first

And I'm gonna close the chili peppers Cause fuck you, Craig Okay, good And so I watch from afar This band right here They are the kind of band that you would find at Arc Tangent. Unbelievable band. They're from my hometown.

Are they? I went to school with the drummer, yeah. Do you know what? They're a Port Rush band. Big fan of the downbeat. Really? Yeah, I got followed by them randomly. Hi, Chris. Hi, Rory.

Hello, my boys. I was like, oh, that's weird because this band fucking rules. Like, that's my shit. They are like, this is my first tattoo that I ever got. And it's kind of a bit shit, but that's kind of the way it is because I, I have a lot of mixed feelings about growing up in my hometown and as I get older I realize it was a very beautiful place to grow up when I was there I hated it at the time

but they were one of the things that I really, really liked about it and I always felt very proud to come from a place where such a good band also came from and I had so many special moments seeing them like at our local pub just like me and all my friends going absolutely fucking ham. I recently saw them in Bristol actually as well at the fleece. So many polls.

I was just about to say a poll in your way or not? So many fucking polls. It's good because you can just cry-and-surf. Not Polish people. Not Polish people. Literal polls. It's good because you can just crowd surf and then kind of like pole dance your way down. And just to smash your fucking head into a pole.

Yeah, but they were as good as always and they're probably one of my, the bands closest to my heart. And then fifth, I'm going to say red hole chili peppers because I fucking love them. Is that just because you play the bass though? Because the bass is the best bit. No, that definitely is like a big thing.

I mean, Flea was a massive inspiration for me growing up. I really liked that bit that you did with your man from our. architects with the fish. I mean, Josh, how to flip fish with a large fish. Hey,

do you know, that, if anyone doesn't know what that is, someone said, there was like a meme that was how to flip fish with a large flip, right? And somebody said,

why does this sound like Anthony Keed is? Because it does. And out of the blue, Josh Milton sent me, from our architects and silos, sent me. Can you please, like, put in a little clip of it,

like edit in a bit of a clip of it. I know you do it. I have to ask him actually because he sent me them on WhatsApp and then without even thinking, I thought this is the funniest thing I've ever heard. So I put it on Twitter and then it went viral on Twitter and then I heard that Josh was actually a bit annoyed. No, why?

It was comedic genius. This is the thing. Josh is like one of the funniest people I know, but he's the singer in psilosis and he's the singer, he's the guitarist, an architect is a very serious, like, music, musician. And I think he wants to keep how funny he is secret. On the downlow, on the down.

And I just ripped the lid off it with that, by the way, you know this guy? Funniest thing I've ever seen, go. It honestly brought me joy for days. I can tell you that much. I think he was more annoyed, like, because of how big of him. I was so impressed at home. He must be a Red Hole Cheap Evers fan

because he knew so many of the fucking songs to put the bit into. I'm not like a, I don't know. hate them as much as I mean that I hate them. I think that's that's the thing. Is this like a nickelback thing? Yeah but actually I do the reverse with nickel back. You love nickelback. Yeah. As you should because nickel back are fucking awesome. The lyrics are terrible. They're so horny. I respect it. I really respect how like openly horny on the on the on the on the deal.

But yeah, to me it just reads a little bit. I can I can understand that. I don't know. I just I just I just like it's fun. It's a little bit. Riff wise. Yeah. Dark horse. Yeah. The riffs are fucking crazy.

What's that main single of it? Um, uh, what's something in your mouth? That, the riff is unbelievably good. My favorite one is the one in sex. Da-an-da-na-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. But the drummer plays in like a prog band. Oh my God.

The drums on Nickelback records are fucking massive. Isn't it? The production, the drumming, like I'll, I'll take nickel back over Chili Bevers, I'm afraid. That's fine. I'll take both. That's all right. That's all right. I'll take both. I mean, that's, that's it. That's a podcast. That's a fucking podcast right there. That's a podcast for me. Is it a podcast for you? It's a podcast for me. You want to get some food. I'll drink and have a whiskey. I don't know. If I can eat with it, I feel like it'll be okay. T.M. says yes. TM says yes, but says please make every band on the line up sound exactly

the same as each other or else I will not be tall managing it. I need to figure out how I turn this off because I haven't done this before. I don't, El Gato, who lovely sent me these lights. These are good lights. I can't mean some of these. Well, El Gato. Hello, Elgado. Wargazm. Not that we're going to do any live streaming probably, but I take a lot of, maybe. Maybe. Maybe we take a lot of selfies. I was just going to say I take a lot of selfies. That ring lights so good. Yeah, I need some of that in my life.

Like, it's really, anyway, that's a big shout out for El Gato, but also, if I had a stream I could, this could end with it really nicely. Sorry, I just saw something on the stream saying, are you guys going to fight over who has nicer eyebrows? You have lovely eyebrows. So do you. Thank you. It's a tie.

Half the comments on my YouTube are... Also, I was going to DM you the other day. Your skin is amazing. Do you have a skincare routine? It's not. The ring lights. I do have a skincare routine. It looks amazing.

But it's mainly the ring lights. Thank you ever so much. But it's not as... It's not as unique as you think. Simple as best. I wash it in the morning. I wash it. Moistrize?

I'm wash and moisturise. I've washed and moisturized. I've washed and moisturized for maybe 16 years. There you go. And I'm 34. I'm trying to, the ring lights. I'm just trying to bring the age down. But I appreciate it.

And have you seen the meme where it's like, this is going to get real dark for a second? That's another dark thing. Have you seen the meme where it's like, it's 3. am your loved one is missing. Oh yeah, but you're still going to do your skincare routine.

Do you do your skin care routine. So I thought about that the other day because Lyca had like a fucking seriously that she was going to die. She was in hospital and everything. And I had to go from here to the hospital and come home about that time every day. You bet your fucking ass.

I'd be my skincare routine though. I was staying in a room the other night with Tess and our driver, Crilly. And I was like, Crilly, I'm going to go to, I was drunk, obviously, and I went to bed and I was like, Crily, I'm not going to wash my face. I'm too tired. And I had to say to him the next day, do not let me fucking go to bed without doing my skincare routine ever again. Just don't let it happen. Tom from Australia calls it my Nutrigena routine because I am,

blatant disregard for anything because I'll wash my face and then it's cold water. Yeah, no, part of that's good. I mean, it's a little bit. But we'm halfway, you know. Yeah. Deeply in. Fucking everyone's sliding around in the morning. Right, let's get some food. Thanks for everyone that tuned in on the live thing.

Thanks to Milky. Go and see them on their tour. Thanks to Tess for slagging off my band's tours. No, thanks to Tess for facilitating this whole thing. Everyone in the chat, if you're listening on the podcast, it doesn't matter. But you should probably join the Twitch. And then you could see it in person. You can see the dog if you join.

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