The Downbeat - PALEFACE | ZELLI + LUIGI of Swizerland’s Most UNHINGED Band.

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

My guests on the podcast this week are Marc "Zelli" Zellweger and Luigi Paraventi of Paleface Swiss. We caught up after their DOUBLE set at Welcome To Rockville to have a couple drinks and talk about Luigi joining the band…and it gets a little crazy.

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Spotify advertising. You're among fans. guys welcome back to the downbeat podcast my guests on the podcast this week are zeli and luigi of pale face swiss zeli is the vocalist and luigi is their brand new baby boy brazilian all the way from sao paolo he's not been in the band very long it's a real interesting story how he joined the band we caught up with them literally as they came off stage after playing two sets i can't really remember what we talked about that i had a lot of fun before we get started i want to let you know we have a patreon patreon patreon dot com for slash the Downbeat on it you get early access to episodes you get ad free episodes you get early access to

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We did it! Finally! We fucking did it. Yes. We did, how many shows did we do together? in the summer. We did a bunch. Yeah.

Four? And I didn't, by the way, I'm here with Zellian Luigi from Paleface Swiss. Hello. Do I say Swiss or do I just say? Fuck that. It gets annoying the fucking Swiss thing. Okay, we're going to get into that. Yeah.

Okay, so we did shows together. Yeah. But we didn't really hang out because it was like three shows. Yeah. The first conversation we had was because I was on the toilet in... Lubbock? Yes. Like close to Hamburg?

Yeah. I was on the toilet. And I suddenly heard a monster. And it was like a real monster. Like it scared me shitless while I was shitting. And I was like, what the fuck is that? And it was like, fuck, that must be zelly. And then I came and gassed him up about it.

And that was about it. And now we're here. Fuck out. I've watched your band twice today. Thank you. Yeah, I had no idea. That's sick. Thank you so much.

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, brother. Look at this little baby boy. We're both known. Hello. I'm not the youngest. This is the first time in my life that I'm not the youngest anymore. Yeah, this is true.

Yeah. I was always the youngest and the smallest. But he's still young, please. How old are you? 26. Oh, you are baby band. So that's not actually that different. No, no, no.

We're kind of close. I was born in 2005, so I'm 21. And he was born in 99. 2005-99? No. So not. Begins with an eighth. I mean,

just begin with. I was born in 800 BC. No, 87. Okay. I'm fucking old, boys. No, you're not. You look fantastic with the new hair and all that?

Getting that from Zerli. I told you were like 27, brother. I'm going to take that. They're just fucking with me because it's my show, but I'm going to take that. 99 and 2005. Neither of you can remember 9-11. I cannot, I was alive. I had nothing to do with it.

And I also don't remember. Imagine you did, though. The mastermind was a. fuck he's two-year-old boy from switzerland i'll famously neutral nobody will point at me because neutrality and shit you know yeah yeah how did this happen you're amazing by the way i didn't want to tell you out there because i was like i'll say it on camera because content and all say like i want people to know watch you twice today i found out about you today that's great yeah thank you so much thanks so much i feel glad about this thank you i only knew you guys had a new drummer yeah because

someone was like, are you the new pale face drummer? And I was like, no, but they have a new drama. And then I looked. And then today I looked and I was like, this fucking kid, bro. You fucking nailed it. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah, a few horrid.

How does that happen? Brazil? Yeah. Yes, Brazil, San Paolo, yes. So, with our old drummer, Kasi, we're still so close. So very, very close. Best friends. It just wouldn't work out.

And this has been a thing for more than a year now. Like, it's always a back and forth. Like, will we do it? Like, do you want to do it? Is it going to work? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Eventually, after the last headline tour, that we did in January, after the tour, we were like, no, like, let's stop here.

He was like, yeah, it's too much, too much pressure. He's just not, it doesn't want to do it. And obviously, I've been looking for who could be the next one if that case will, if it's going to be the case, right? I saw his videos so many times popping up on my Instagram my whole Instagram is full of like drummers and shit because I was... He's a good drummer

but he doesn't know this. Yeah. He plays their drumming so well. No, I know how the drums work. I write them I don't play them. That's a difference. You the programmer. Yeah. He's a really good one game. Okay. Yeah. But I saw his videos over and over again. I'm like he's from Brazil. I will like

makes no sense. It makes no sense. And also people tell us we copy everything from slip. not all the time. And now we're getting a Brazilian drummer too. You know? That's true. I mean, there was the first thing I saw before I even saw you were Brazilian.

I was like, I was a little baby Eloy. And then I look, it says Brazilian. And I was like, the fuck is in the water down there. So I already had, I was talking to a close friend of mine,

like if he could help us out on this tour. And it was a Saturday night. I couldn't sleep. I woke up again at night. I was like, I don't know what, open Instagram, first video,

Luigi again. Hello. And I was like, you know what? nothing to do was text with him. The next day we were on a FaceTime call, and then we had to get him a visa within one and a half months. So from FaceTime call to Visa, do you want to join this band?

Yeah, actually. Let's get his story. In my point of view, let's start from my big. So, yeah, last year I started, let's say creating some drumming content more constantly. I'm from San Paulo, Brazil. And that's crazy because, you know, it's far from, let's say, where everything happens, like Europe, United States. So I know this, you know, it's crazy for a Brazilian, you know,

dream with being touring like this. So I always knew that, but I started creating this kind of, you know, play troughs, you know, just recording the songs that I study and practice that I like, for example, some Mesuga, Gorgyra, Slipknot stuff, because I'm a big fan of heavy metal since my early days. I started to play drums at 8. so I became a really big fan of, you know, I like Ely Casagrange, of course,

so I always had this heavy metal background. And last year I was like so intense recording these videos and I have this opportunity of connecting with a lot of musicians around the road, as Ellie, for example. And my main goal with these videos was 100% getting a gig. It was, this is my biggest dream, you know,

being touring, being, you know, recording with a great band. being able to express my passion, drumming with the world. You know, that's what I always dream of. But I'm from Brazil, so I know that's really difficult. So, but I never stopped trying. And I remember the exact moment that I was with my girlfriend. You know, at night, we were having some pizza. And Instagram message, it was Ali.

It was like, hey, so my name is Zali. I'm the lead vocal from PEOFey Swiss. And we need a drummer, like something like that. this. In one month. Yeah, in one month. We have a tour with Lorna Shard in like one month. These are the songs. The songs are really difficult. This tall. Yeah. Yeah. It all started like... I texted him like two months ago. Yeah. Let me look it up. He can have it. Let me look it up in the inside. This is crazy, brother. Like I had like a month to learn everything. So, but back to the visa point. So yeah, I'm from Brazil. I really interested, interested in making this happen. Of course,

it's my dream. I, I am 100% in when? I texted with that 21st, February, late at night. That's crazy. What day are we on now at 8th of May? Yeah. Yeah, that's short notice. So it was really close and yeah. So I just replied him like, man, of course, let's have a call tomorrow.

And he talked to me. And since the first moment, I just realized that there was no answer besides yes. You know, yes, it's what I want to do. I'm 100% in. I had a lot of works and gigs in Brazil that I left, but this is why I want to do. This is my heart just tells me you need to accept it. I left university. I left everything just for being here.

I'm pretty sure that it was my... But you didn't know that. For what? You didn't know. But that was awesome, you know, that what I was supposed to say in that moment. How did you get the visa so quick? Yeah. So, P1 or R1.

Oh, I'm on an R1. Same. So he's on O. 2002 yeah so he's your oh two from your o one yeah yeah fuck yeah boy's quick as brazil right it was expensive yeah we have this kind of premium process that it's like expensive than bro it's stupid it's more expensive it was way more yeah really yeah like the most express i must express super express i need to tell this i i i remember the meeting i have with them because he asked me low so i we need to i need to talk with the guys and i'll

be back with some with an answer tomorrow like at Monday and I remember that at this meeting that when they just invited me I remember saying clearly guys I'm so glad because I know that I am probably the worst choice for the band because I'm living Brazil I am 20 years old now because I just turned 21 this year so I was not a major so I am from Brazil I am not a major and you guys never done a tour I never toured before like this. You guys don't even know being person. So, you know, I am probably the worst choice, but I promise that I will give 100% of my heart and my, you know, my work to you. And I'm probably being the best choice if you guys want to do it with me. And they just accepted. And here we are,

you know. We made it possible and it was so crazy. So how many shows is he done with you? The first one was on the 13th of April. 13th? No, 17th. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe 10? Under a month. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, like this. Damn, you're ripping.

You're 21 now. Yeah, I'm 21 now. Shot? Yes. I had a little drop of alcohol today. I'm waiting. Okay. Let's ruin that drumming career.

Yep. I'm fucking with you. Cheers, boys. Cheers. Thanks for having us. That was, of course, white monster. That was so heavy metal. 21.

He's allowed to drink. Fuck yeah. Let's have another one. So you're still cool is Cassie, the old drummer Oh, we're closer than ever On the since he left the band As guys as you used to be on stage? Yeah

Kissing? Yeah, he ain't there Still kissing? Yeah, why not? Love that shit right? People are so unhappy about that Bro, you have no idea How many people leave the room Every time we've done that on our headline shows I'm like really? You don't know anything about the bands You go and watch, I don't get it like

Yeah, we kiss like constantly we always kiss on stage to fuck I would like to like get the dumb people out kind of deal. So many people leave when we do that on our headline shows. I'm like, that's weird. Is it worse in America? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the States in Europe. Europe is like everyone starts jerking off. That's what I pay money for, bro. Jerking each other off and shit. No, but we're closer than ever. It feels like there's, there's not this, this thing in between our friendship. Now it's friendship only. But before it was, cause you.

you need to like push yourself. You need to become better and like get your head in the right mindset kind of deal. So that was, that became so much bigger than the friendship. And now that this is a way we have so much more space for friendship and stuff. I can't, I can count on my fucking one hand how many people I've been in a band with and have quit or I've quit or kicked out and you just never see them again. No, we, we hear each other every like every, like every. day or every second day. Like hey what's up he's also got a new job now and everything which she's super happy which we are very happy about obviously. Yeah. So we we hear each other so often. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Way way more than before which is nice. And I must say that I have a lot of respect for him. Yeah, you're gonna meet him. Yeah, we're gonna go to a theme park together. Yeah, I'm really excited and I am looking forward to meet him and just shows a lot of respect because he deserved it like all the work he did with the band. Yeah. It was amazing all the tours all the records. So yeah, I have a lot of

What theme park are you going to? Europa Park. It's in Germany. The biggest one in Europe. It's close to Kalsru. Oh, I would say Europa Park. I'm sorry. No, that's fine. I get this every fucking day. I live in America and I'm English and I say like, oh, let me get something out of the bin.

And people go, Ben, you mean trash can. And I'm like, fuck off. So no, it's fine. So I'm sorry I did that to you. I get it all fucking day. You're good. Both of your English. So good. Thank you. Thank you.

it from being a musician. I do have some accent, so I apologize for that. But that's what the Americans love. You know how many times I hear, oh my God, I love your accent. Where you're from? Switzerland. Sweden, shut the fuck up.

I said Switzerland. You do look Swiss, though. I am Swiss. Yeah, no, sorry. Edit, Simon. No one will fucking know. Leave that in, Simon. Simon, you get fired.

If that stays in. Anyway, watch this, watch this. You do look Swedish, right? I hear that so often. Is there a look to sweet? No, look to Swedes. Isn't it the same look for Swiss? He's not happy, fuck.

No, no, no, I'm totally cool. I believe all that shit. I believe we have more rednecks, more hillbillies, whatever you might call them. In Switzerland? Bro. The former... A redneck in Switzerland? What are they going to do?

The former culture is huge. The whole thing and stuff. brother how do you think this little country got formed I said that on stage of Montana I'm like bro we're playing in front of a hall of Montana who in here is like brother and sister everybody raised their hands

where are you going with this yeah continue I'm like don't be like don't be ashamed it's all right I know how it is you know I'm from Switzerland and man fuck the cow that's how I was born that's what I said and people be like

where are it, where is he trying to go with that? Yeah, that's what I'm like, where are you going? It's true, it's true. 100% true. Why did you say who here is brother and sister? Because you were insinuating. Because Montana and I believe there's like, I don't know.

Me neither. That's what I got told. Everybody fucks everybody. There's not many people living there. I'm not sure, Simon. Are you like mega kinky? Not mega. Yeah, you got kinkie.

I see it in you. I see myself in you, brother. Listen, I've never touched the cow. No, that's not, that's like illegal kinky. I mean, it's like kinky shit. Where is this conversation go? He's young, but he's of age now. We're allowed to talk about it.

My cock was the first one you saw. Wow. Of course my dad, my dad. No, no, no, from the band, brother. I'm talking. I met his dad. It's a clip. I met his dad today for the first time.

I'm talking band. And you said, hey, your son seemed both are. Okay, wait, let's... What's happened to here? Come on, tell me. Why has he seen your dick? Is it you and all your dramas? True story, true story.

We were walking in Vichita. We went out at a stake. We were walking back on this dirt path, whatever. There was a huge end pile. It wasn't a pile. It was like a hole in the ground and millions of ants came out. Yonning was like, oh my God. look at all those ends, I want to fuck him.

And I took off my shorts and fucking pretended I fucked that thing. Pretended. That's true. Or you put it in it. No, no, no, I pretended. I pretended. And he was like, oh my God, I finally saw his stick. I'm not used to that yet.

Baby boy jokes. Yeah. Penes. Oh my God, a penis. A Swiss penis. Right. That's how it. How was it?

I mean. Hey. I'm speechless. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, right, because this is like a running bit on the downbeat. You got a foreskin? No. We have this huge thing within the band. You're not allowed in if you've got a foreskin.

That's my rule. That's why I didn't get it. But many people, like, not everybody, Yonick, for example, he has his foreskin. Tommy, respect. Parachute foreskin, crazy. Parachute force skin. I look at your girlfriend all the time. He's like, fucking trying her best.

You're a foreskin expert, bro. Don't worry about that. Everybody here is like, oh, okay, Luigi now. Yeah, Brazil. So, it has always been Cossy, obviously. I've seen everything. It's, you've cost to me, we're like this when it comes to, like, against Forskin. And you're in Cousy fucked. Am I allowed to say that on camera or no?

Of course you fucking are. We had some fun. That's fine. It's fucking hot. That's fucking hot. Loogic is like, what's like, what's like? What have I got myself in for, bro? You are like, fucking, you are the, you are like the, you are like the,

Teen category now. Cheers. We're like fucking, what, 10 minutes into this? So sick. Brazil? Forskin? Brazil?

Yeah. I don't have my... Perfect. You don't have it anymore? No, no. Oh, Luigi. I knew it from the beginning. Cheers.

Yeah. Monster. I thought you arose, we all had it. I'm the fucking freak. Hi-a-Forskin? No. Let's fucking go.

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Damn, fuck, okay. Well, we did Fourskins. I can't remember where we were going with that. Bro, we started with it. Oh, okay. Sorry, we started with it. And then we went to Forskins. No, you asked about, like, Sweden and Switzerland lookalikes.

I know everybody, like, loads of people from Sweden are blonde and, like, whatever. And you ask what's different. Yeah. We have so many farmers and shit. There's so much farming going on in Switzerland. I'm not sure about Sweden if they have the same amount of like farming and cows and animals and whatever. Forskins. I don't know about the fourskins situation.

I thought Europe was sorry to keep banging on, but I thought you all had it. I was, I can't even remember my foreskin. I was very little when they took it away. That's one they like to do it, really. Yeah. Yeah. You answer that so serious. You answered that like a real press question.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was fun. I'm sorry to cut back on this. How do you identify, like, your sexuality? I don't even know. I really, like, I cannot put it into, like, this is how I feel. This is what I like, kind of. I am like, whatever, let's have fun kind of deal, you know?

I feel like that's me. I, I'm down for anything to try and then I... You're just a slut. I mean... Today, let me Another story. Today, after the K-pitch show that we did. Then I go back to your question.

It was sweat. I know what is about to tell. Ryan, I know. Guy, shut off. There was this good-looking young lady in the front row. Please don't get cancelled. I can't have another one.

No, no, no. I try my best. I'm neutral. Cancel me. Try it. You can't cancel a potentially bisexual man. No.

Kevin Spacey. canceled. What I'm trying to say is something that should not get me cancelled. The opposite. I was with the people after the show

taking photos, everything, signing stuff and there was one that good looking girl she was at the very end of the line waiting. I mean,

she was the last one. Yeah. But the people still stood around us. So she approached me and I was like, hey, how you're doing? She's like, I want you to spit on me.

Wow. I cannot. There's 20 people around us. What would they think if I just spit at you? I don't care spit at me. I'm like, no. At the time. You want you just spit on me right there?

She was like so intense. Just like do something with me. I'm like, I can take a photo with you if you want. And also spit on me. I'm like, nope. A photo. She's like, okay. You take a photo?

Yeah. Damn, yeah. I mean, I don't know where I was going, where I was trying to go with this. I can't remember. It's going to be one of those episodes, everyone, if you fucking... Drink monster energy. Yeah, it's late. It's fine.

No one gives a fuck. No, yeah. You can't, even if... You just can't do that with anyone at a show. No. Full stop. There's a power of things. No.

No. No. No. No. I never know. You know what's been on that thing? Luigi, such a good name or a bad name, depending on who you listen to. Italian, right?

Italian, assassin. Do you know my first name? Everybody calls Mazzelli. My mom calls Mazzelli. I don't know your first name. Oh, damn. It's, I know it's Mark, maybe. You know my first name?

Mark. It's just Mark? Mark. And since he's here, everybody calls me Mario, obviously, because of Luigi, Mario is so funny. Oh, that's sick. I hear a lot of jokes because of my name, like Luigi and Mario.

I never listen to Mark. So what, like, if fans, but like, I know him better than you do because I know his first name, they would call me Mark. I don't, my brain doesn't like, I hate that. I don't listen because everybody calls me Zelly.

It's crazy. I do, there's like slightly parasocial thing where it's like, well, I know his first name, so I'll be the best. I'm better, yeah. I feel like Luigi of Luigi

and Mario fame is now the second most famous Luigi. Really? Yeah, one more. There's a guy. You got health care in Brazil? Yeah, I do have it because of my family. But you have to pay for it.

Yeah, a lot of money. Same in Switzerland. Because our... Same is Switzerland. Yeah. You'll go first. Yeah, we have to pay because the public service is not that good. So, like, if we can pay for it, it's better.

Like, my family always, my family pay for it. Yeah. Damn. Wait, I thought Switzerland was Euro. You're not on the Euro. We're not in the EU, baby. Either a we. But we fucked it.

You guys are doing well. Wait, when you say we, is it Scotland? Yeah, UK. UK, whole of UK is not in the EU anymore. I know you lived in Glasgow. I know that. So initially, like, full, get a blood test. I'm 100% Scottish.

Oh, sick. I have no idea. Yeah, 100%. But my parents moved to England and then had me. So I have this voice. Okay. But I look Scottish. Think about it.

Shrek. Fucking Braveheart. I got it. And then, so I'm from the west of London pretty much. And I needed an A market to do the podcast. And London's too far from where I was. Ew. So it was like Manchester or Glasgow.

So I moved to Glasgow. And when I got to Glasgow, I realized, weirdly because my parents are both from Glasgow, Scottish, I felt more at home there than I ever did in England. Okay. Because like, you know that feeling, I don't know if you get it, when you come home from a tour, and that first time that you hear a person speak in like a home accent, and it's just like, I'm back. Yeah. With like Swiss German, nobody speaks to, obviously. So when we land in the airport, like Syrac airport, I'm like... It's always in the airport.

I buy a water or something and someone said something. So I never got that feeling in England. So I go on tour and I do that thing where you're like, I fucking hate my life. I'm on tour. And then I come home and be like, no, this feels no different. Like, I still hate this.

And then Scotland came home from tour and like buy water in the airport. And that person sounds like my mom. And I'm like, it just goes. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I'm hurt. So I just stayed there. for a while and then now America. Okay, yeah.

I heard that about your house. Fuck me. Do you hear it on a news site? I opened up, like we have the Swiss news site called, I'm kidding. I saw your vlog. Oh, right, okay. With a new merchant shit. Because there's a new thing right now, for some reason yesterday,

it must have went around like all the news websites. I literally saw that vlog like three nights ago in my bunk in the tour boss. I'm like, oh. I appreciate that. Before I knew that I will be on the podcast. I know. It happened six months ago and I haven't been feeling up to vlogging because it sucks so much. Understandable. You live together? Yeah. Our house was fucked but we moved and everything's fine now. And then I did that vlog and then like new metal news websites started posting. I saw that today. I saw that today. Lost his house in a storm. And you sit there like can you not just post about the new merch pitch? Please. Yeah. Honestly. And everyone's like there's no go from me. There's no. I get nothing from. this and it's like the slowest newsday on earth.

Right. Craig Reynolds lost his home in, lost his home. So there was a tree in it. I moved out. It wasn't like I lost all my shit. But lost his home. But you were not home during that time. We were with the family.

We were at my, like at my family in the UK. That's crazy. Three days into a short seven day trip and my next door neighbor phones me like your house is completely fucked. And we couldn't do anything because of the storm. we couldn't get back.

We had to get someone, the cats here had to come and save the cats. Yep. I heard that. I was sat there trying to buy flights because of the storm

I couldn't fucking do anything. But it's like, it's old news now. It's like six months ago. But the new merch, it's sick. I like it. It's really,

really fucking cool. You can have whatever you want. I'd love something. You can have whatever you want. People who don't deserve it ask me all the time. And people who deserve it, don't ask me.

Okay. So you could just be saying, Okay, I will say You need bare shorts to play the drums Well hey, they're Brazil Yeah, it's a Brazilian shorts They're kind of cool Okay, I understand

Have you seen his clothes? It's close to me For drumming and working out Oh really? I do need something Yeah, you played in those earlier today Yeah, I always used it We haven't even prefaced this on camera These guys came straight from stage

Yeah, true that, oh my God, yeah I was completely sweat Yeah, when we walked Yeah, the whole day was crazy Did you shower? So you also played two shows today. Yes. I saw you at the Cape here,

and what's going to be amazing right now is they're going to be overlaid because I was at both shows and we filmed some content. While I'm talking right now, you're watching Sally and Luigi in the Cape Pit. And look at that. It's a smaller show.

Everyone's having a good time. And then they played the big show. And here is the big show. And if you're listening to this only, I'm fucking sorry. Did you shower in? In between. No.

No, no shower yet. No shower yet. Maybe I'm just horny. Brazil? Brazil? This guy smell weird. Cows. Cows.

Brazilian cows. Literally, I believe, look, my nose is really bad. I don't smell anything, really. What you got? Deviate septum. Brother, I've never heard that in my life. That's too much English. Yes.

Same, bro. All right, if you do this and you can breathe? Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Same, same. It's probably so horny. Probably.

I don't smell anything. But I asked everybody to please tell me if I ever smell funny. And everybody told me I never stink. That's true. I don't. I thought you had a clone on the minute ago. Well, I put a little bit on because I want Armani, Armony Emporeo, whatever is called, the fucking you, intensively, you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, what's strong with you? Yeah. I knew I recognized it. I love vanilla. We're having a big, big Cologne day, actually. There's quite a lot of Cologne talk happening today. I was. My mom invited me last minute to like a little ski trip. So I went with her. Classic Switzerland. Right? So we went to this Cologne store and there was this dude. He sold me a

perfume, Cologne, whatever you call it, from a very young man from France. He, I don't know, fucking broke his back or some shit and blah, blah, blah, was in hospital for years. Couldn't get this shit to be released or whatever it's called. But he like traveled around the world and tried to I don't know, how's it called? Like, get the sense from the best places he saw into, like, a perfume. And he sold me one of these perfumes. It's the best fucking thing I've ever smelled in my life. I need to show you.

I don't have it with me. What is it? I don't want to say that on camera. I'll tell it to you. Why? Gate keep. You've got a gate keep. He's got, like, he's like super small.

His family builds their, like, they're like pottery. Like they do like this pottery thing, the fucking slimy stuff. Yeah, yeah, the slimy stuff. They make. the thing for the perfume for him. Like every single one is like handmade. It's crazy. Give me this off camera.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Fuck everybody. Fuck you guys. I want you to smell this. It's amazing. This is the only store in Switzerland that imports that stuff on that ski thing. Are you like a fragrance guy?

I would not call myself a fragrance guy at all. But it was really interesting whatever he told me. Are you a fragrance guy? I am a fragrance guy. That's why I was like I'm ready to fucking go on that. Oh, fuck. earlier though. There's like,

I'm at the level of fragrance guy where I actually, in terms of like an experience, I like the ones that smell terrible on purpose. Oh, not to where? Yeah. We were talking earlier.

There's a company. Where is it Russian? It just sounds Russian. It's probably like Eastern Europe, like fake Russian. Fuck, don't kill me. I love that. No one kill me.

It's called Tosca that. And they make a lot of really, really nice, like actual fucking perfumes that are amazing. And they make one which is literally supposed to be the worst-smelling cologne on earth. It's supposed to be like a, I think they called it an olfactory experience. And it is called inexcusable evil. Okay. And it's supposed to smile like a hospital.

Iyo's got some facts for me there. What have you got? He's from Croatia. Croatia. Yeah. Borderline fake Russian. Bit nicer, though. I like Croatia.

shout out. Shout out. Shout out, Game of Thrones. Shout out, whatever else. Anyway, it's supposed to smell like, what's it supposed to smell like? Like hospital. Hospitals, um, blood. Blood, gunpowder, rotting flesh. Yeah.

It's supposed to smell like war. It's, it's a, it's a political statement against war, so it's supposed to give you all the bad smells, make you like never want. Okay. It's very like, it's kind of cool the way they do it. It's like, this is supposed to be a statement. You own this thing? Ayato does.

But there's another one by another company that's supposed to smell like sex, and it just smells like cum. But not like what you would think like, oh, come, oh, it smells like fish. Like, it smells like actual cum. Yo, I love truffles. I thought you were going to say, I love cum. I love truffles.

Like mushrooms, mushrooms. Yo, like in a spaghetti truffle. Oh, I thought you meant like fucking magic truffles. Huh? I thought you meant magic truffles like mushrooms. You mean truffle the, yeah, okay. The actual thing. Me too.

Have you ever had like spaghetti with like truffle sauce? Yes, I have. It smells like cum. I don't know about your guys has come. Bro. But apparently mine does like... My cup does. I don't know if it's a flex or if it's like...

It's a sweet thing. It's kind of sick. Right? Is mine ever smell like truffle oil? I don't have the smell of truffle oil in my brain enough to recall right now. I mean, it's glorious. Do you know how sick that is when I'm like... pasta at home cooking.

I'm like, oh no, I ran out of truffle. You mentioned something earlier on on stage. Come in the pan. You said, oh yeah. I wonder if there's any truth to this.

You said on stage, you were like, because what happened, guys, was their show got delayed. Yeah. By, fuck,

must be three hours? Three hours, two hours? Around that, yeah, two hours and a house. It was a hurricane. Yeah. If you watch the vlog, it's on the blog.

You on stage, you said, you were stuck somewhere else were you away from everyone else were in the bus everybody was in the bus and the Wi-Fi was really bad I was on the phone call

and I couldn't hear the other person because the Wi-Fi was spending like you know what there's a shuttle right in front of me I just go to a little green room yeah go there, sit there for half an hour on a call

I literally I was like I need to go back because get ready for the show hung up walked out called Red messages I'm like go back in the room

I'm like I guess give me like I have like five more minutes whatever until the whole fucking thing goes away stuck in there for two hours

by myself you said on stage I jerked off six times that was a lie that was a lie yeah it was a lie was it was it a hundred percent

a lie or was it I touched myself I didn't came full truth you got it half you edged I was like

should I should I not should I'm like I'm bored it's kind of sick but you didn't want to lose the adrenaline for the show

because you did two shows today that's true that's what the That's the point we were supposed to be talking about. I filled four bottles with pee in that time. I've been pissed on a lot today. Because it was raining.

So I was like, I have to fill the bottles. But you didn't jerk off. But you half jerked off. Let's put it that way. Just like to nothing? Brain jerk off. You ever do a brain? Yeah, I did.

I did. I did. I was called it a thinky. It's the lost art. To switch up the camera, like, you know what? Can you see pictures when you like, I think of something. There's people they can't.

I learned. I see everything so clearly. People don't have inner monologues and some people don't have, can't visualize things. I see everything. Like when I close my eyes, I'm like, I think of whatever. I see it. So I'm like, I'll do my own porn in my head. I did that here and there.

Are you the, it's funny. Are you the main character? No, never. Other people? I'm the director. You're getting cucked? I'm like Quentin Zalentonelentino. Are you getting cocked in these?

We'll talk about music in a minute. We should probably talk about music right now. Let's talk about music. I never meet someone on the podcast. This is fucking kinky as me. It's fucking awesome. I'm going to start a new podcast with him. We should have talked about, no, it's good that we didn't talk last summer.

Because otherwise, we don't know what to talk about here. No, it'd have been worse here. It's kind of said that you're not Australia anymore. I wish we could have like go out for a couple. of fun nights. I heard that you get a little funny when you're drunk. Same as me. I was, okay.

Who the fuck did you hear that from? Okay. Your bass player. Yeah. Nick. Anthony. You probably know it's Anthony. His name is Dragon Neck. He introduces himself as Anthony, which is yes, his birth name, but his name is Dragon Neck. I know, I didn't want to say Dragon Neck, so that's why I say

your base player, so I hope that you would say that. Whatever. I always thought he hates me. I don't know why. I'm saying because he's the sweetest person He's the planet Earth I thought he hates me He would never talk to me So we were at grass pop

It was late at night It was Anthony Amy The photographer And me We stole a little buggy Like a little golf cart there And then we realized

Hey we like each other Then we talked about movies We talked about everything blah blah blah blah And He didn't hear of you for a very long time. So he thought you might be out drinking.

So that's why he texts you, are you alive? Are you there? Are you ready to rock with us? But you were on the phone with you? That's what you told him. That was, I was like, there would have been the best night ever. Where was it?

Belgium. Grass pop metal meeting. Yeah, I think, to be honest, towards the end of my fucking touring career, I just wanted to be at home. So, yeah, most nights I'd play the show and I'd just stay the time and just fucking hang on. But that's when we close.

Anthony and me. Did you... Back to the thing. He said... He's fun when he's had a drink. Yeah. And he's like, I think you and Craig, you will get along with each other well when you guys are drunk. I'm like...

Yeah. I'm quite stoic. I don't know that word. That's too much of... Okay. Definition of stoic, please. The person who endures pain, hardship or adversity without complaining, showing emotion or displaying weakness. But I do think that meaning has changed into someone who just doesn't display their emotion.

Yeah. I don't, thank you, my love. Thank you so much. I rarely give off emotions. So I've been told before by people until I get drunk. They're like, oh, I thought you fucking hated me, which is what I thought you were getting at. Okay, so you don't give off, give whatever emotion?

I'm very serious because I'm always, until I have, I have it, basically I work until rest time. And then I think if I didn't have the drink at rest time, people would see that, oh, also I'm less fucking, serious but also when I'm in rest time I'm like I'm gonna have a drink

so but I've been told before that I'm very stern at all time so I was worried that you were saying someone said wait till he has a drink no no no no no no no but I was just I was a little I was funny that night

I had fun like I said we stole this thing and whatever and he was like oh maybe Craig is awake he would you get along with each other you would you know he was right I love him and you know what

maybe the number one thing I miss about Stray is this is no offense to the other guys is Anthony Dragon Neck Alamira he's just the fucking best he's the fucking sweet-law Yeah I'm really really really like

Yeah click with him that night Why did you think he hated you He's like the sweetest man on earth We never talk Never we never did even say hello Nothing I'd never talk to most people On the street Yeah on this street

Yeah. It's so crazy to me because he's like the biggest sweetheart. Yeah, I know. It's not on him that I thought that he hates me. It's probably just my paranoid little head. Oh, that's me at all times. Yesterday we stole one of those cars. We're literally talking about.

I love stealing stuff so much. No, no, it wasn't even though. Someone else was driving it. I do love stealing those as well. We kind of cut the line. There was a buggy cart situation, and we had to be back here, and there was a line that was there for a while,

and the buggy cart turned up and came directly to Madison as you would if you were a young red-blooded male in the buggy he went straight to her and went where do you need to go and then she was like here

and he was like get in and obviously we were helping me go and then this guy was unhappy I think he was in the word of life I don't know but he was unhappy that we stole the buggy car and I was

I sort of tried to win it back at the end I was like you guys can have this as we fucking sped away I love that And yeah, I feel bad about it today, though. So if that was you, it's in the word of life, I'm very sorry. We have, you know the festival, Geron Air? Love Gerald on Air.

We walked, watched the band, walked back, too lazy to walk. There was a buggy, like this off-road buggies. And Sondros, our stage manager, he had a knife with him, like, give me that. Then I took his knife and, like, turned on, there was no key in the buggy. You learn stuff like that when you grow up in a village. In Switzerland. Yes. You're blowing my mind about Switzerland today. Right? No foreskins, stealing.

You're supposed to be... You're supposed to be... You're supposed to be fucking neutral. Hey. You're all just sat in your grey box, reading the grey book, on your grey bed. So, we stole the bucket with the knife, drove off the festival ground.

In, bro, I was... There's videos of... I was horribly drunk. terribly drunk. Sunrose doesn't even have a driver's license. He's sat next to me trying to teach me how to like it was fucked Our manager everybody was on the back. It's so stupid good manager that yeah love him today. I'll let this happen So I drove into the village blah blah blah blah blah came back to the nightliners nobody noticed until I start Trying to burn out the nightliners. So then the security came and you would hear like through their walkie talk is like somebody stole my buggy blah blah blah like screaming I'm like buck. They have us.

They caught us. They caught you. Yeah, like three ladies. But they were cool. They're like, get out of this. Yeah, it's Gerra. Yeah, it's Jerry. So get out, get out, get out.

But there was his one man. He was so fucking pissed. He was really, really mad. The one probably that got the bucket stolen from. I don't know. He had no key, obviously, because who knows where the key is. And the girls, like, stopped us. I'm like, let's give me a knife.

I need to turn this thing off. Right? So I took the knife, turned it off. She's like, just did that with the knife. I'm like, just take the bogey back. Then, five minutes pass, I see that very angry man inside of the buggy is not able to like get it on, like turn it on because he's got no key, but he was like fuming. My drunk ass woke up to him being like, you need help?

I know how this works and he's like, fuck off. I'm like, oh, sorry. Hey, y'all's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if, like what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if. Just style you love and quality you can trust.

Visit Wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home. Yeah. Did he accept your help, though? No, not at all. He was so pissed. But Jerry is like, the buggy's still there probably. Jerra's so sick that afterwards they're probably just like, yeah, that's fine.

The three girls had stopped us later served us at the bar. They gave us drinks and stuff. So it was all fine, except for this very angry man. I think Jera is top three Top three Euro festivals. Oh my God, you haven't done these Euro festivals. It's going to be his first. It's my first time in Europe playing.

And we're going to play Rock and Ring. It's going to be one of his first festivals is crazy. You go straight from this shit to Europe. Yeah, we have three days off in between. What is the city? Caldru. I can't say this name is. You're three days off in Carlisbury.

Yeah. And one of this is going to be Europa Park. You go to Vapiano. What's your thoughts on Vapiano? No, we don't do Vapiano. You don't do Vapiano? But not in Kalsu. There's, like, better stuff there, I think.

No? In cultured, that's a baller fucking Vapiano. Vapiano, Italian restaurant. It's like, it's like the European olive garden. Oh, okay. I love old. Yeah. Vapiano, bro.

You got to go. But you know, L'Osteria? What's that? Don't you tell me about... You know that? You, how? Oh, whoa, whoa, no. Vapiano, I understood by the accent now.

Vapiano shits all over L'Adera. It shits all over it. And then you get pizza, in which case their pizza is better. Really good pizza. And knew it. Our sound guy once got food poisoning from L'Osteria, so... Exactly, no. So it's the name.

L'Osteria pizza is better than Vapiano pizza. It is. But if you get past the Vapiano is better. I would agree. I would agree. People have told me Vapiano, there's like rats and shit, but I don't get. Rats. Crazy.

But we go there. It's a European olive garden. Have you ever been to Europe? Yeah, I, in vacation with my parents, before like in England, Scotland, like some countries. And I did a tour with a Brazilian pop singer once in Portugal, but that's all. Never toured like this, you know. What age were you? In the tour?

Yeah. It was last year, so I was 20, like 19 to 20. You're a little virtuoso. Who was the artist? It's a Brazilian singer. She's called Karobiasin. She's like, awesome. a great friend of mine with two friends and she's like getting bigger in Brazil.

Can I tell the secret? With secret? No, no, no, no. No, is that one that I'm thinking? No! No! No, no, no. About the singer. It's not a secret. What secret?

No, it's just the... You cut her off to play with us. Which I think is really funny. You can, yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. I just did it. Simon, leave that in. Simon, that's in there.

But for the record, if you do it, tell any secrets, any secrets that need to be cut, you just say we've cut that. I would love to that. I don't. There's no, no, no, no, no, no secret. No, no, no, no secret. We can't do it. I can't say it.

So basically, they've said it, but they can't say it. Yeah. But you haven't done like a full talk. Oh, bro. Yeah. So is that the biggest show you've ever played today? Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

Because that was fucking crazy. In Brazil, I must say that in Brazil, I, that's crazy. That's crazy. Brazil have like our own market, let's call like this. I did play. Sepulchura. Yeah, Sepulchura, of course. One ninth of Slipknot.

I was the... I did some tours with a Brazilian guitarist that used to be the mega deaf guitarist. It's called Kikoorero. And I was... How old were you? I was 18 years old, yeah. Fuck!

Yeah. This guy rules. I was touring with him in asla for some Brazilian tours. What did you do? This... Turn off the lights. This light is so fucked. I just want to grab a beer, brother.

Wait, wait, wait. Hold the fucking thought. Yes. So I did some tours with Kiko Loretto. He used to play with Megadeth. And he just called me for some tours in Brazil. So I played in some great fastfalls within. We play it with Zach Sabbath as well.

So I was able to meet the guys again. Today was really fun to talk with them again. They were just, oh, you were the young guy, right? You are here. You're here. Still is. They were watching us. It was super cool.

Like some. a great greetings to John of course. And yeah, so I did some great tours with him and with this Brazilian pop artist called Karobiasin. So we have like a great time. We played in Lollapalooza. That is one of the biggest festivals in Brazil. Oh, you've done some big shit.

Yeah, I was 17, 18 years all around. So yeah, I had some great opportunities like as a young drummer. But of course, this kind of tour is my first time. It is the biggest tour I ever did. So, yeah. Just the beginning, maybe. And what are you doing on... So you do these?

You're doing Sonic Temple next week? Yes. Same. Would you be there? Right. Every one of these motherfuckers. Oh, so we get to hang out. We get to fucking hang out.

That's with part two. Part one won't even be out yet. But we can... We can do a part two. They filmed all of Lord of the Rings at once. So you heard it at first. If you want part two, maybe we've already recorded it

and you can tell us in the comments right now and we can just drop it. Because I'll do it. This is one of my favorites. Is it? Don't lie to me. European honesty. That's a thing, apparently, I heard.

Would you mean apparently? In fact, don't lie to me. I was just about saying, not to defer. Am I having fun? Do I sometimes not have fun? Yeah. You cannot tell me this is one of your favorites if it's not. Oh, this is 100% one of my favorites.

We haven't talked about music once, number one. That's my favorite thing. Because I just like hanging out with people. I love music, so do you. But it's like, we'll get to that. Yeah, yeah. But I like... In part two.

In part two. I like the fucking hangout. I like people that don't take themselves seriously, and they don't, is the thing. Sometimes someone takes, you don't see it because someone's an amazing editor. Sometimes I ask a question, and there's this, they go. And what they're doing is they're calculating the right answer. And it's like, no, I want this. I want this.

To be fair, you give me at least the feeling of I can say whatever I want, it's going to be whatever. You know, I don't feel judged or whatever, you know? Yeah. Which is really nice of you. Thank you. You're like very great at making a space where everybody feels comfortable, you know? Yeah, this is really nice. We're trying to.

So it's perfect for like the hangout talks. You make this perfect, which is sick. No, the thing I like about this episode and why I'm having so much fun is because you guys are like, you don't take yourself too. seriously. The music's very serious. This is the kind of thing that gets people to like the band. It gets me to like the band more. Because it's like

I don't know, if you're honest in an interview, and I can see this, like, I would get on with this person, I'm getting on with you guys, but like, if I can see that, oh, this person just says what they mean. I then believe their music more. That's not,

this is not made for money. This is not made what will get us the most fans. like, oh, this person just goes, brain mouth. And I think it then goes brain music. Yeah. Instead of like, what's the algorithm going to like and all this shit. You know what I like? You lost all of your notes.

You didn't even look at it once. That's how I know I'm having a good time. Right? So sick. I don't look at the notes when I'm having a good time. But what are the four notes that are left? I want to know. No, because I have questions still on there.

Okay. I mean, I could talk to you about funny things. one of the four notes is just both of your names. And then, no, I'll fucking, don't you fucking worry about my notes. But let's talk about music, because people would be like, you know, like, you know, I'm going to be, but you're going to be about.

Let me sleep. Yeah. Is that about insomnia? Not insomnia. I don't want to, I don't want to call that. It's just, I love, I love the way that I think. I love how I can translate my thoughts

into what I'm doing. I'm always driven by, I'm addicted to success, kind of, not, not success in terms of fame, but addicted to making myself proud, kind of, right? Okay. Which is nice, but also the head just won't shut up at all, like at night or whatever when it's... I sleep well. I don't have problems with sleeping, but I have problems with like, just shut up, just calm down.

Like what we have now is good enough, you know, for the moment at least, blah, blah, blah, blah. it has never been the case I always want more and more and more and more and more and more like keep pushing kind of deal it's all about that it's literally sleep is metaphorical sleep kind of I mean there's not Is it for rest?

I'd say so Yeah for rest and to just Sit back and hold on a second So you're longing for The ability to rest But one won't let you I mean and this is a perfect example It was like when

Lyrics resonate with you because of your lived experience and it's not necessarily the vocalists or the lyricists experience. I read that song. I see that song twice today. I hear that song. And it's emotional

but I have struggled in the past with insomnia like really fucking bad. So I read it as this is about insomnia. Okay. It is not. I never experienced insomnia stuff. It's nice to get the real story. Yeah.

It's literally what you just said. I'm longing for rest. I don't want to rest. I want to keep pushing. So I know I don't understand it. Obviously, I want to rest because I know I need to rest. But with my head, I don't want to rest. Because I want to keep pushing.

I don't know how to explain English. I don't want to. I don't know how to explain English. No, no, I fully get it. Okay. You know you need the rest. Yes. But you cannot stop.

Yes. Because I... It's crazy because it's the fasted song we play. It's like 220 BPN's brother. You don't want to rest with the song. I'm pretty sure about this. I feel the same way.

Yeah. And I think it's a dopamine issue. When I rest, my brain gets no dopamine. Yeah. Because I'm not doing something. Yeah. And I don't know about you, but I like, I, and I fucking do know about you.

And you know about the sexy star. I know you. I know you from this one conversation. I know we have the same fucking brain, bro. We have the brain that needs a reward. I need to fucking tinkle, like whether it's fucking, something sexy or whatever,

I need that. But I also know I need to fucking slow down. Yeah, 100%. Is that a letter to yourself or to your brain? I wrote those lyrics during one of these nights where I could not fall asleep. Once I fall asleep, I sleep. That's really nice.

I don't wake up during the night. but it takes me sometimes it takes me long to fall asleep I just wrote stuff down in one of those nights where I could not fall asleep and I love to keep things just like they are in the very moment

you know I could have probably read some things better and blah blah blah but this is just typing it down okay it's so on it's so on it's perfect you know it works because then it comes across like really raw and honest

yeah I like the ambiguity in the lyrics because I really resonated with them as someone with in somnio, but it doesn't have anything to do with it. It's nice. It's a nice way at writing. Cool. Thank you. That's crazy. I literally, I don't know. For example, like the whole, how's it called?

When I want to say I killed somebody, but I would say I touched the flower and it died or whatever kind of deal, you know? Like the whole poetic is the word that I was looking for. I'm not very poetic at all. For example, Corey Taylor or whatever, he writes crazy stuff. You know, I cannot. I just be like, I feel. shit, then I write down, I feel shit. Yeah, but that's exactly my point what I'm going to. But when people tell me

oh, they're so well written, I'm like, what do you mean? No, but that's it. It's well written because it's like, you read it and you're like, that guy means that. And back to my point about us hanging out, I love the episode because I can see that you go brain mouth out. And then your music is also brain music. Yeah, that's true. I think that resonates with people more than like if you were,

how can I make this lyric more, I need to make some kind of simile between this and this. I think whether you know it or not, there's an ambiguity in there that comes out kind of nice. Just me glazing you right now. Instrument of war.

Yeah, all we stick to your guns. Yes. Oh, I have a story to tell. Oh my God, we're so back on track, baby. Story time. The same night as I got along with Anthony really well. I talked to Tom. Tom Williams.

Oh my God, Luigi. Luigi, so you know, Anthony's in my band, Tom Williams is also in my band. But he's also a manager. Okay. Also a manager. So we had this headline tour last year, the States, with, it was us, Siky Guns and Nasty.

I told that, Sikter Guns as well. The first band that I wanted to be on this tour, is straight from the path. That was the first name I've ever said. Because I knew you were kind of like, Maybe this band isn't like active for a very long time anymore and stuff. And I love you guys so much honestly. And I wanted you to be on this tour.

That was the first name that I said. But our old booking agent, the one that booked that tour back in the days. He has this thing with Tom apparently. Like I told, I talked to Tom at that festival. I'm like, I never really talked to Tom for a very long time. So that was the first time we had a conversation. Like it was like an hour long. I'm like, hey, bro, now that we get along with each other as well,

I'm even more sad that you guys didn't want to do the tour, that you guys couldn't do the tour and stuff. And like, hold on, what are you saying? We. I'm like, you guys clearly said you don't want to do the tour. And it's like, we said yes, a hundred times. But you guys told us that you don't want us on this tour. I'm like, what are you saying?

You were the number one band that I wanted on this tour. Yeah. I remember getting told we might have this tour. Yeah. And we were like, I'm like, my number one band. And he's like, what are you saying? We got told that you went with stick because you like stick so much more. I'm like, damn, bullshit.

Can I guess what happened before you tell me? Yes, please. Okay, so your old booking agent said we didn't want to do it and then put forward one of his own bands instead. No. Because a book an agent does not book either stick, nor you guys. We have to do a second part. What are you going to have to do?

I want to finish the story. Finish that and then I'll say what just happened. Okay. The booking agent. So Tom Williams is the manager of landmarks. Does he has anything to do with Bly from within?

No. Okay, whatever. This is the same story because we've just gone from stray and stick to guns. Now we're talking about landmarks and believe from within. Yeah.

Neither of those bands have been mentioned yet. So the book and agent and they booked that tour used to book landmarks. Tom, Landmarks is manager. Yes. So Tom called that one book in edge, be like, Landmarks is not going to work with you anymore. Because of that?

No, no, no, no. In general, like, before this. You're not good enough for Landmarks or whatever reason. I don't know the reason why he took him away from him. But he was the one that called that book and edge, like Landmarks moves for another one. Yeah. He was obviously really mad at Tom, I think,

because Landmarks at that point was big and upcoming and blah, blah, blah, blah. I am 100% sure that that one book in age and just hates Tom because he did that to him with landmarks. That's why he told Tom, I don't want you guys. And he told me Tom doesn't want to be on this tour. So he fucked that whole thing up as far as I know. And guess what? We left him.

Yeah, I know who it is as well. Of course. Without even having this conversation, I know exactly. Of course you know. The thing is, I have never talked to him about this. and I want to hear from his mouth what was going on before I kind of like publicly call him out

but I mean if Tom tells me his story and I know my story what the fuck should he say I love stick to guns alone but we had clear reasons why we were like I want I prefer stray 100 times

or stick and this is like I love stick so much don't get me wrong so you're saying we could have done that song yeah Yes, not just a tour, but also the song. I don't ask you about the song. I know, but I think this is a perfect story for a podcast.

Did the song come after the tour? We wrote it on tour because... Could have been my song. Great song. Thank you. Proceeds went to Doctors Without Borders. Am I making that out? Is it called in English? Yeah.

Doctors Without Borders, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. That was great because Jesse, we confirmed Stick after you guys didn't want to do the tour with us. And we confirmed Stick. They played a Euro tour. I went to see them.

Chesa was like, bring us on a tour in Europe. I'm like, are you serious? Like, you guys are bigger than us? It's like, no, I'm serious. Book us for Europe. I'm like, okay. So we did this American tour together. By that time, we already locked the next headline tour with them in Europe.

We were like, you know what? Let's write a song together because we're writing an EP right now on the road. Let's write one song together to push the tour. We locked ourselves in to a hotel room in Denver, Colorado. One day wrote that thing. I know they got loads of shit for political bullshit. We are neutral, whatever. Very rare by Switzerland.

There's no way you're giving to Doctors Without Borders. Neutral. No fucking way. We just want to make kind of a statement. Like, I think we said in the video, we stand for what we think, the right things. We want to say it once. You know what I like about that?

I like to just fucking do shit with my wallet and my... Right. Like, I believe in this one thing. I don't really care if it means I'm this or this or this. I'm going to use my shit and then I'm going to donate a bunch of fucking money to that thing. And if you don't like it, shut the fuck up. Yeah, that's what we did with the song and the shirts and everything. Just to be like, look, actions, not just words kind of deal.

Exactly. Right? That's how the song. It's your favorite song to play, you told me. Like instrument of war, you'll really like this. Yeah, I mean, we never play it, but it's my favorite to listen. To listen to listen to the fuck is it. Hey, you've been sat there for so long without talking.

I'm so sorry. Yeah, I'm so sorry. I think that my favorite to play is not instrument role because we never play yet. Yeah, what's your favorite to play? I think. Let me sleep as my favorite. Because it's fast. Yeah.

You like that fucking br-as. As a drummer is like interesting. You got a swivel going? Yeah. Swivel man. Did you learn that or did it just happen? In terms of double bass, I am self-taught. So it just happened.

I'm big fan of Eloy and he was a very humble and close. close friend to, you know, being able to watch him play. You met, like, you were tied with him. Yeah, actually, I'm not, I'm not this kind of, let's say, online guy, so I just keep it to me, you know, as an offline friendship, so I have a lot of his respect. He's my biggest idol. I met him once, and I just got the best vibes from him straight away. I always try to be like him because it's like my main influence.

He's a Brazilian hero as well for me, so yeah. And I think that I have this really Something common with him that he is really word about music And I really try to be as much as I can as like him Because he's really great And I try to learn from him Just watching him the double-based stuff But yeah

So let me sleep It's the song and I play Swivel And does the point Swivel Swivel I don't know if it's the best technique to play like life The way you played it's definitely No, it works.

It works. I know, like, guys, like, Austin, he plays, like, with that fast temples. It's crazy, yeah. But I always like, do, you know, to have, like, the, like, big sound, you know. Do you trigger? No, I don't like triggers, but I respect the ones that you use it. I know that Coco, or some guy, he likes to use it, but it's nothing, something, it's not something that I normally use. Do you guys have a trigger on the kick?

I think so, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did. I know it's today. your kick sounded really fucking good and all week on that stage the kicks have been sounding bad so I think if he did use trigger it was for the best

you guys sounded fucking great the sound was fucking amazing thank you so much what snared you played today let's get a little bit drumming for a second before we have to meet actually I am recently just joined Tom of family

that's great I'm super happy so thank you what's your symbols no no no no my symbols yeah I know I play with Pisci he's playing the wrong ones yeah I know

Oh, you're Eliy, you're Eliy, that's fine. And baby Eeloy. Or Swiss. It's about the Swiss quality. Oh, it's Swiss. Yeah, you're allowed that. You're allowed that shit. Eloy plus Swiss.

You got, what else you got in there? Some Iron Maiden, some shit, I don't know. I don't know. So it's why she Tamma and I love Tama as well. It's my favorite brand. She sticks. What sticks you play? Pro Mark.

Probably playing with Pro Mark. Get you on the Vipf. No, yeah. Get this motherfucker on the Vef. And four heads, I play with Evans as well, so. Nice. perfect. That's perfect. We just got told off by

the press agent, Charlie, who is the fucking goat by the way? I love her. But these guys have bus call. That's annoying. We're talking about doing a part two. Call me, I'm down 100%. But we do it after the set so we can drink beer. I love it after the set. It's my favorite shit. Good. Are you both going to be there? Yeah, this is the team for the whole fucking summer. Simon? Where's Simon? Simon. What is he?

You know how much an 0-1 visa is? I ain't got that money. I wish I had that fucking money. I literally thought for the first 10 minutes, Simon is outside of this room. No, Simon is in fucking Scotland right now. I know. I realized like, what, what am I thinking?

If I make enough money, Simon will be here next time and we'll have a bigger fucking room. Oh, I hate to leave. I hate to leave as well. You used to tell me one thing. Were you just called pale face? Yeah. And then someone else was called pale face.

So stupid. And they made you put Swiss. Did you pick Swiss? We picked it because we had to. There's a Finnish musician called Paleface. He is super cool. It's not him. Don't hate on him.

He's nice. It doesn't bother anybody. But there's this American single songwriter couple that has not been releasing any music since fucking ages. I'm talking 10, 20 years. Sing a songwriter? A couple. Yeah.

Brother and sister? Probably. fucking that's stand-up comedy 101 we're back anyway sorry carrielle they when we announced the first US tour they obviously saw oh something's going on we could make some money off of them

let's try to sue them they try to sue you that's crazy yeah it's so stupid like we all but yeah they try to sue us like they what's it called they threatened to sue us or whatever I'm like we either have the time nor the money or whatever

to do all of that. They own the rights, apparently. They used to own the rights in America for that name. We're like, you know what? Bro, we just put Swiss there. So maybe the Americans

would not mix us up with Sweden anymore. It helped a little bit. It helped a little bit. And if they would ever try to tour again in Europe. Oh, you're going to fucking smoke. I will... I will pull out the expensive Swiss lawyers

and be like, guess who's laughing now, B? Those are the Wolf of Wall Street lawyers as well. Those are the guys that fucking deal with the money laundering. Wait, you got a bank account? Yeah. And I'll put some money in. I mean, I live in Switzerland. Of course I have a bank.

Let's talk after this. Mr. Taxman, that was a joke. Mr. Taxman, that was a joke. I don't know how it works. Offshore banking. I heard what you said in your vlog about making bag with music. Yeah, I want to do it. Hit me up. When I got the bag, I got that nickel back gig.

I'm like, bro, you want to store some money for me. I love nickel bag so much. Me too. I have a nickel bag. Same, bro. Tattoo. No way. Oh my goodness.

We get it out. Yeah. I'm kidding. Adam, I'm a photographer. I love him to death. He's got the car from all the right reasons. And I was like, you know what? I'll do the bridge from the long road.

So you have the car and you would ride on me on the bridge. Funny, huh? Yeah. But the thing is that the tattoo looks, it's by far. That's the two I have. I'm sorry about the two artists. I'm sorry, but it's bad. It looks like a really funny, drunk AT-A-T from Star Wars,

but it's supposed to be a bridge. Can we show it a picture of the album artwork first? Yeah, that will be up right now, and then we'll get this tattoo out. Can you see this? Oh my God, yeah, okay, okay, okay. It does look like a drunk AT-A-T-A-T. Luke Skywalker just going through all those

if I could pull it down. Yeah. At least you got it. I ain't got a nickel-back tattoo. See? I'm a nickel back head, though. And we are being cut short by the press agents and the powers that be. These guys were rained off.

We didn't even talk about it. The hurricane, pushed them back. He still came on the podcast. I've had a lovely time. Same. I want to do that part two. I love you. Boys, it's been fucking beautiful.

Thank you so much. Let's do it again. Let's fucking do it again. And actually, in an edit, we talked about how I ghosted him about during the podcast in 2024. And I will call him out on part two. Well, guess what? He won't because I was in a very bad place. Peace.