The Downbeat - Pat Sheridan - Fit For An Autopsy

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

My guest this week on is Pat Sheridan, guitarist of Fit For An Autopsy. I sat down with Pat before FFAA's show in Glasgow to bond about what it's like to work with the insufferable Will Putney (JK JK JK) as well as talking about everything from overcoming the anger of his youth and becoming the best father he can be - to Cardi B's leather pajamas. It gets heavy in a few places. Great dude, great chat.

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jerseys, hopefully, t-shirts, hoodies, coffee cups. Sort of like supreme, but marginally less supreme. My guest is going well, isn't it? My guest this week is Pat Sheridan from Fit for an Autopsy. Making fit for an autopsy, the only band other than architects to have more than two members. We've had Hoseon, we've had Will, now we've got Pat. Pat made a brief appearance at the end of Tom Williams from Strath in the past episode they were playing in Glasgow I had to get him back in

he's got he's got a past we delve into that trigger warning there's some horrible shit in his childhood we talk about that it was fun but it was very serious that bit wasn't fun that it was very serious he owns a tattoo shop other than being the guitarist and fit for an autopsy He owns a tattoo shop, which was a little bit crippled from COVID. He, you know, we talked about what it's like working. I nearly messed up there, nearly an edit.

What it's like working with Will Putney, which is something I talk about all the time. Having to play Will Putney's riffs, which Will Putney doesn't have to play, really, just sits down and plays him, and then Pat has to be the person to play them. whilst rocking TF out Yeah, that was about it It's in person You might be watching it on YouTube On the Patreon

I did a multi-cam edit If you're on the Patreon Sorry to keep plugging it It pays now for me to do stuff Like sit and learn how to do multi-cams That's only going to get better Let me know what you think It's Pat Sheridan

On the Downbeat podcast I'm going to That's how I start There are 4 days different backups running. Four. Because I've fucked this before. So we've got one in the camera,

one on the computer, one on each of our microphones, and one on that road, castor pro thing there. Sometimes you're going to make sure all bases are covered. Because the last time I did this, I did it with Aaron Gillespie.

It was a huge, huge episode for me. And then? And I fucked it. I was like, I, you know what, I won't do the backups. It's going to be fine. And I completely destroyed it.

Yep. Well, I mean, live and learn. brother. Pat. What the fuck are you doing in Glasgow? Making music finally for the first time in like three years. Is this the first? This is the second tour, first European tour since COVID. What was the last one was the

Direters Murder Carnifex tour that we did in the Europe, UK. Did you have to go home on that tour? No, the next tour. The next tour. We were direct support to the I are in the States. So we were in Europe, January, February. I believe 2019, I want to say it was. Maybe 2020?

Yeah, it would have been 2020. We did a... 2019, I'm confusing dates. So it was 2020. We all got... I'm allowed to say whatever, right? You can say, fucking, you could say a cunt on this one. Oh, I like that.

I can say whatever you want. Fucking sick. Like me and Marsh, she disappeared. And then I got sick like two days later. And then at night, I was sitting outside Marsh from the Ayat's bunk, who's close personal friend, listening to him breathe. And he would stop breathing for like 30 seconds and had in his sleep. He was so congested.

And like, but we didn't know anything about COVID at all at that time. They were like, oh, go ahead, get on a plane and go to the place where this thing is happening. Don't worry about that. you'll be fine, you know. Nobody said anything to us. So we all got sick, but we just thought it was, you know, your typical tour sick. Like everybody gets sick on tour, every tour. Yeah.

And then we get home feeling fine, spry and ready to go on another tour. And then first day of that next direct support to thy art, first day, last day. So. Wait, so that was in America. In America. So you, wow, they had to fly home. Oh, let me tell you how fucked it was. Think about this.

They're from Australia. So they had to fly home. And then that Un Missouri band is from Iceland. And they had to fly home. And then all the bands on the package already. So it was crazy. Like crazy. That's so much money lost.

Okay. To put it into perspective, I can't talk about other people's profit and loss stuff. But what I can say for fit is we had a merch person, excuse me a sound guy all the guys from the band a van a trailer that were rented about 15, 17,000 American dollars worth of merch in the trailer a board that we rented a snake that we rented

like I can go through everything but we were easily $35,000 in debt that day and that's with not international flights and visas and these guys had to have another fucking 20 grand on top of that right So here's what I will say FIFR an autopsy I hate the word fans right It's like my least favorite word

Because I don't Saying oh we have fans it sounds like so Cuck suckers What do you call them then? Friends of the band Friends of the band that support us right Because I think it's gross To be like Yeah I feel gross saying the word

I feel like I don't say it Because you know coming from the world that I come from like punk and hardcore Like fans just sounds like Yeah You know, so the people who support us, all of the people that come out to our shows, we put our merch up. The next day, it was online.

And I swear to God, in less than 48 hours, we sold every single piece of merch we had. I couldn't fucking believe how much support we got. So to everybody who bought a shirt or told their friends that we got fucked and their friend bought a shirt or whatever, like, you guys saved our band. Like, legit saved fit for an autopsy from crashing and burning. So while... I feel like the pants. pandemic like was eye opening for friends of the bands friends of the bands that like they some of them realized like oh like this is this is but I knew that streaming services weren't

paying well enough or whatever but this is like my favorite bands are going to split up yeah which is true I believe that if fans of music were not as supportive as they are we all would have lost our asses it would have been over I mean think about we canceled like seven or eight tours. And you know how much money a band makes on a tour, like a band that's doing fairly well? You know anything you can fucking do? Yeah, and like money from CDs. Yeah, and, you know, vinyl and shows are really the only thing. And t-shirts, that's it. You don't make money off of making records. Like, let's talk about the misconception of being on a label. I love your fucking soapbox immediately. I love it. Go. I don't give a fuck. There's a big misconception about what

happens with bands when they get signed. Yeah. They're like, oh, well, these bands are getting these big number things and blah, blah. It's like, well, it's like, well, it's a lot. It's a alone. It's not my money. I don't see that money. We use that to record and make a record and press a record and get the art. And if you see four videos from a band, it's because they had a budget to do four videos. Somebody just doesn't come in and go, I love your band. I'm going to record a video. It's like, that'll be $11,000 American. And you borrow the money from the label to make those videos. Yep. And then you pay that money back through what percentage is left over from, from. a record sale what percentage is yours depending on your deal that's the money that you pay back

the other stuff from right and no one makes any money right and no one makes any money and and the craziest part is is like another great thing about COVID is not a great thing about COVID you don't hear that much no this is there were some really big positives great thing about COVID is that people stopped took a breath dealt with their mental sides of things that they have to deal with, and I'm sure some people are still dealing with it. But then they locked into music, they locked into movies, they locked into entertainment, they locked into being able to read things and learn things like education and different stuff. I know a lot of people started businesses, found new ways to make money,

you know, don't have to depend on big corporations anymore to make a living. I mean, we were just talking about that five minutes ago. Like there are some pretty positive things that came out of such a terribly negative thing like COVID. And all of our records right up until this one that we just recorded, recouped during COVID. So, like, that's when you start to actually make a little profit. I mean, you have to think we released our first record. Like, I don't fucking know, like, 2011 or 12 or something like that. Like, eons go, never recouped.

And then all of a sudden, like that, all of our records, people are listening. Yeah, I think we recouped during the pandemic as well. It's crazy. I got a check from Samaria, and I was like, what the fuck it's it? No one gets those. Yeah. So like take a minute to think about that. Like all of these folks that were home,

all these humans that were trying to travel through their brain during all the chaos, there were some things that happened to some of us because those people locked into these things. And those things helped them. And by those things helping them, it helped us. And now we can start from literal scratch and come back and do this thing that we do again.

Like there's a couple of things that happen that, you know, You know I'm not an overly positive kind of person. But I'm also... You have your moments. Yeah, but I'm logical. And when I sat down and I thought about everything, I was like, holy shit, you know, as bad as this was, like, I can have a career when this is over.

And now that we're getting back on our feet and playing shows and people are coming out, it feels like home again. But like, if it wasn't for everybody watching who support, not even us, supported just whatever band they supported, we would have all been fucked. we would have been you know folding t-shirts in some fucking store or serving at a restaurant I mean the stores were fucking closed as well

who knows what we were gonna fucking done two things you touched on there that I want to talk about so number one these shows back and don't play it up if it's not true were they so like what you did one US tour

and then this one since everything came back yeah we're about four I think his day four was it as romantic as as you thought it was in like, you know, during the pandemic, I'll give you my experience quickly and then you can bounce off that. During the pandemic, I was like, I cannot wait to pay a show, blah, blah, blah, it's going to be amazing, the energy is going to be amazing. Then we did five shows in the US.

I got COVID on those shows. They weren't that great. And I was like, oh, that was like the most anticlimactic thing ever. But then we did that under oath tour. And I was like, okay, this is the romance. I think it depends on the situation, right? and it depends on what your outlook is I've been playing shows

since the early 90s I mean I'm 46 years old and having that's the longest amount of time since I can since I was a fucking baby my brother's been taking me to shows since 1986

heavy I was not alive right I was 10 going on 11 86 to 87 I went to my first show on my what was the first show my first show was a bunch of thrash metal bands cyanide silo, Aberaxis, like all these like local thrash metal bands.

And then I went to that with my brother. And then like a couple of weeks later, I saw... Where was local? Let's get a little back. Local Edison, New Jersey. I grew up between Edison and New Brunswick. So I'm sure you're familiar with New Brunswick. But so there was like a, like a rec center, you know, like a sports rec center.

And they used to do shows there. So I saw this local thrash metal show. And then a couple of days later, we went to see Exodus and DRI. So like my upbringing was like instantly hooked. You know what I mean? And like then I was going to shows like every weekend. And then by the time I was like 13 or 14, I had made friends in the local hardcore scene. And I was jumping the train into New York and going to CBGBs at 14.

Like Brendan from SFA used to work to front door and like we used to go in there all the time and like all this shit. It's just crazy how like everything developed from me going to shows my whole life changed. So that was the longest. that I had of not going to shows. In like 30, fucking seven years or whatever. I mean, imagine that. So I was going crazy. You know, and I was trying to be positive and doing all these workouts

and putting it on the internet. And it was only a matter of time before I crashed. And, you know, everybody was trying to be so positive. And then it just took me over. And so when we came back, the first, few shows were sold out and fucking crazy and it was our headliner. You had the... So I had the romance immediately, you know.

It was instant vibration. Like, I got on stage. The first show was like kind of a cluster fuck in Ohio, but it was great. And then we played in Chicago the next day, I think. And what's the venue in Chicago with the sewer in the stage? It's a big cement stage with a sewer. And I can't... A sewer.

I can't remember. It's like a manhole. cover but I can't remember the name I always forget it's a really great venue the staff is sick but anyway I'm sure people who know it will remember the name of the club but um

bottom lounge we only ever play the bottom lounge and that one it's almost downtown that is it's the one with the train tracks that run over top of it oh fuck no that's the one yeah there's like you have to go upstairs or maybe you play the big room

I don't know we play the big room must play the big room you play the big room too probably I think there's only one room it's got that really good bar restaurant next door there's like a park across the street and when you're on stage it's a big cement stage it's got like a ninja turtle

like sewer time to it I can't remember I fucking I feel bad because the venue's incredible but the show was crazy and then the next day was crazy and then we played in Iowa City at this weird bar barbecue slash show

venue kind of place and 400 kids showed up on a Tuesday night in Iowa City and I was like this is it and 17 sold out shows or so

16 17 sold out shows so it was romantic It was beautiful That's fucking awesome It was like the best What's the lineup? It was fit Enterprise Earth ingested

Right That's the same as this tour It's the same tour But What was the But Sentinels is on this tour Great American Ghost is on this tour And they were on the last one

but there's another band on the last one and I'm drawing a blank again because I'm bad at this but we have one band swap so it was very close to this tour that we're doing right now and it's been good how good or ingested

ingested are great fucking so easy like laughably fast as well it's like all the best parts of a bunch of bands that I like filled with like British humor yeah I used to work in like 2008

I used to work in a warehouse with Lynn yeah Then sick dude. He's a fucking amazing. Sick human. Yeah, great drummer. So far. Nice dude.

He used to. I don't know if he still does this. I think he's chilled out. No, but he used to do stuff like, it's not my place to say, but I'm going to say it. He used to do stuff like booth two pills up his ass, stick a fucking bottle of wine up there, flip on to his back,

butt chugged a bottle of wine with two fucking ecstasy tablets up his ass, and then would just be fucked up. And then he would have the most crazy night, because we, I used to tour when he was in annotations with him and he would have the most crazy fucking night and then he would just play like a maniac the next day. It did matter. Absolute shred of them.

I mean, I can barely wake up in the morning and I'm straight edge. I don't do anything. So, yeah, I mean, those guys are incredible. They're incredible and they're, you know, they played, we played in Manchester and that's their hometown. And it was great. It was great to watch them receive that kind of like

hometown warm welcome a.k.a. Break the guy next to you's arm. Yeah. A warm fucking... Yeah, warm ass beating. A warm fucking slam welcome. But it was good, man. They were really good. I enjoy those guys as people too.

You know, that's Sentinels man. They're opening the tour and they're kind of a young man but they're really doing it and they're very nice kids. I know Dave the drummer on them. He's a great drummer. Dave's nice dude. Great fucking haircut. Good kid. She's got the fucking stuff. It's got a me haircut going on.

It's got a great haircut. It's got a great haircut. Yeah, yeah. The band is good. And Great American Ghost is a band that I think everybody needs to know about. They're like a secret weapon, man. Every record they put out, it's kind of like what we do where they're kind of like formulating changes for every record and like naturally becoming a better band, but like also finding different ways to change their sound but still be who they are. And I fucking love watching bands take that evolution.

You know, you have bands like Heybreed who can make the same record a million times and it's just awesome But then I Gojira is another record that or another band Rather that people like compare us to But I think one thing that we really have in common is like it's a constant change

It's a constant change all the time And I think Great American Ghost is another one of those bands That have found a way To explore different sounds but not lose their identity And that's a really Excellent Jim bands as well Great American Ghosts fit The new fit is on the gym rotation.

Yeah, buddy. What is the fucking song? The song with the fuck, I was talking to Will on the podcast about it. I'm terrible with song names. With the weird riff, it's weird. That. Yeah, higher level of hate. Song fucking rich.

That's not my gym jam off the record. But my gym jam off the record is in shadows. Gum, come, gung. Yeah. insane fucking gym bang I mean Will's a fucking genius

dude I mean bottom line like everybody's like Will writes all your music And I'm like There's always a guy In every band Like you're just fucking me off

Don't take a piss Especially in fucking like Death Metal Death Metal, Deathcore Like any like Super Metal You need that It's precise

Yeah what happens If you have too many cooks in the kitchen Everything comes out like shit So Will just doesn't tour with us And they're like oh he tours with and I'm like yeah they do a couple of weeks here or there But fits a touring machine He needs to be home doing his job

He doesn't end for a vacation Yeah he wants to cosplay Like right now Will Patney I saw some clip last night and they're like sleeping in fucking Like hostels that we used to sleep in like fucking 10 years ago Will's like it's like Will's going on camp Yeah but I also think Will should be touring I think that's the one thing that when you're writing music, you need to understand.

And not for any other reason, but it's not easy. It's not being on tour is not easy. So now when he goes out and he tours, I'm like, sick, this is cool. Because then when I'm complaining about touring, he'll understand. Like, I know they're having some backline issues right now and they have some things going on, which is typical for tour, right? Like, that's just what happens. so those then when I complain about that he can be empathetic and like understand right now he is in a green room he's in Hamburg logo green room

that's where Will Putney is right now eating like raw tofu yeah because there's four chairs yeah three bands four chairs four chairs one of them is broken and the other one's duct taped back together but I mean I think end is a sick band and I think end is like the other side of what will Putney does so with fit I mean we could talk about the lineage and how it worked like when we wrote our first record it was like every other band we were in a room together

and then when we wrote hellbound Will just had all of these ideas and it was like all right I'm just gonna be stubborn and complain about not writing but classic like yeah I'm a prick but everyone does it yeah so but then he's like I got all these tracks you know and it's like

fuck dude every single person that knows Will does it will same voice. You're like, ready, ready? I've got all these tracks, you know. He doesn't, you know, no more glasses now. He had the LASIC surgery, but. He looks crazy.

It's so weird. I've known him forever with glasses. But, uh, you know, he's, it's like, how do you argue with perfect? How do you, you know, like, and I know people say, oh, you're saying Fitzper, no, I'm saying that when he writes these songs,

I listen to them, I'm like, this is fucking perfect. He has a fucking Grammy. If anyone has a bone to pick, like, oh, you're saying Will's, perfect. Yeah, he's fucking perfect. Like, and I'll send them one or two riffs and then

I'll hear something that's similar. I'm like, okay, like I did my job. Like, I inspired him to write a riff, cool. That's great. Like, whatever, that's all I need. I come in, I write a couple solos. Boom, I'm done. It's over. I've contributed to things I need to. My job is to take Will's ideas and go out

and pound him into the pavement. But that's every band. Every band has won maybe two people. I mean, you look at bands like Mushugah. The drummer writes 80% of everything. The singer barely writes lyrics. It's in every interview. They talk about it.

Like, music isn't just about writing as a unit. There's also the idea of one person having the ability to write music. It's skills. That benefits the band. And whatever. I mean, I have other projects that I'm kind of like slowly working on in the background for me to get that thing that I need, but it's never as good as what. Will shits out.

Did you find how many years did it take you to just be okay with that? Two records. Two records. I think that's the same with everyone. Everyone I know that has two guitarists. It's only bands with two guitars because most of the time it is... It's a guitar player. Yeah.

Well, we have... You're fucking three guitarists. So... Two live plus... Two live players plus Will. Yeah. And the thing is is, will write to music very differently than we do, right? Will plays differently than we do.

So when we get the music, sometimes I have to find a way to play this riff that he's playing, locate the notes in a different area on the guitar neck, and then work it there so it works for me. So like there's this whole... Standing up. Yeah, there's this whole rewriting process that we have to do where we're kind of like figuring out what works for us in what way. And it's fine. It's this whole... We've got it now.

And the thing is, is like, we've been talking a lot. And now that we've been, you know, somewhat groomed to play music the way that Will writes it, now we can maybe successfully write some stuff to give to him. So we've been talking about getting our own rehearsal room, not having to share with anybody, just a space that we can have so we can get in a couple times a month and actually be a band again. You know, like there's a lot of things we want to do, but it won't stop Will from writing fucking 300 great songs while we're on tour.

It's just, it is what it is. you can't argue with a great, what do you do? You listen to it and you're in your heart, you know it's perfect. And what am I going to do? Oh, fuck it, I want to write it. No. It's funny, you say that with the like, the more you've played what he's written, the more you can bring stuff to the table that you know he's going to like that.

Yeah. Even because Will is a massive part of Strait, huge part of Strait. He's credited as a writer on Stray records. Like, there'll be times where me and Tom are writing something and I'm practicing it, and I fucking hear like the ghost of Will Putney in my head and he's like, that's not going to work. No, and he'll go like, oh, I'm going to need, the main one is, I'm going to need a chine around that snare. And I'm like, it's almost impossible.

And he's like, you can do it. And then we do it. And 10 takes later, I get it. But then, so when I write parts now, it's always like, I have the ghost of Will. You have the little tiny Will Putney on your shoulder. Tiny little Will Putney. Whispering in your ear. Play it better.

Yeah. do it one more time. Do it again. You got it. Next one you got it. He does the thing with me where I'm like, I can't do this.

He probably does it with you. I'm like, I can't do this because I'll have to replicate this live. And then he'll go, let's just try it. And if you get it, you get it. And then of course I get it once.

And he goes, oh, you got it. And then it's like, I have to go and practice that for 30 hours. That one little fucking fill. My favorite line from Will Putney is it's not my job

to play it well live. play it well live that's your job it's my job to write the track and that's a non negotiable thing because we'll put so much time into the music and I'm a mediocre guitar player at best I have to work my fucking ass off to keep up

with Tim no it's just the facts dude guy like Tim makes me better a guy like blue makes me better and in the past three years as a guitar player I've improved leaps and bounds because the music has just gotten intense and everybody says oh these sound easier and like you listen to a song like

Two Towers and that's this clean open you know that big huge open Not the first single? No, the first single's far from heaven That's another one That bouncy riff in the beginning

That's a son of a bitch to play Because you have to be consistent It's more the timing than the playing So you're like You know now we have in ears And I got the click in my ear And it makes it all easier but for years we didn't have that.

So it was like you either get good enough to play it or you sound like shit every night. So that's just it. You know, like we had to get good enough. So, you know, say what you will about Will Putney and about like what he does for FIFRA and autopsy. But I'll tell you right now, man, like I love having him in the position that he's in. I love having Blue and Tim tell me you played like shit tonight.

Like you have to work on this. And we do it to each other. We all do. Hypercritical. Because now when you see my band, 10 years ago, we would have never sounded like this. You know, each member in this band has like, Hoseon's a fucking monster.

Like, each member has brought a different thing to the table that has changed the way we sound as a band. And being an original member, me and Will are the last original members of the band. And watching the evolution as the members come in, I realize something is that bands have to have men. member changes. It's a very rare thing that you don't, in the beginning stages of the band,

and the beginning stages is like the first three or four records. And once you get that right team, it just happens. Yeah, you've got just trying an error. Yep, and you're not an original member Australia, yeah, but you brought something to the team that wasn't there before and everybody says it, like, that you completed that band. You know what I mean? I mean, that's just true, you know, and you can hear it. So it's just the evolution that has to, you know, that has to, you to happen. It's not easy. I I mean, there was a point where Will was going to quit because we lost a member that was a good friend

and he wanted to walk away and I was like, absolutely not. You cannot give up on this. I was like, if you're not going to do it, I'm still going to do it. So you should just stay. I'm going to destroy your empire. I'm deliberately going to write bad songs. I'm going to shit all over your empire. It's going to sound like fucking hate breed or Madball all the time we're done. Now that they're not great bands, it's just going to not be what it is.

It's just a different thing, you know. I don't want it to sound like I'm talking badly about those bands. I don't know. I love those bands. Yeah, I do too. Set it off is probably like my favorite early New York hardcore record ever. That and there's a couple others, but that record fucking rules. Is that what you came up on?

Hardcore. Yeah. I mean, I grew up going to thrash metal shows. And then 86, 87, I discovered like chromags and bad brains. And I was already listening to like Black Flag and all that stuff. and that just kind of developed. And then in high school, I discovered, like, the early 90s. I was listening to some agnostic front stuff.

And then, like, bands like American Standard and the mob and all that stuff. And then I discovered heavier hardcore bands like Judge and Bold, and I love the gorilla biscuits and all that stuff. And then all of a sudden, I discovered obituary. And that led me down a different path. So I'm like hardcore kid, but listening to the heavy shit. So then when bands like Madball and Hatebreed and. All those bands started hit all out war.

Like, I mean, there's, dude, Hunter Demons is like probably the best metalcore band that's ever existed. And then that started... Real metalcore. Fuck, too. Real. I mean... Not what it is now. Come on.

I mean, and both singers, both Bruce and Pete, just fucking murdering it. And that dude, Rick Bryle, that plays guitar in Hunter Demons is a... fucking everyone should know about that, dude. He is such an amazing guitar player. And luckily, he's become a personal friend. like I get to learn from him. It's almost offensive how good musically that band. Is there?

Drummers incredible. Everything. Rieh kills it. Like, so I love that band. And then I discovered Morbent Angel and then the Dei Side of Mon Demo dropped. And I was like, whoa, what the fuck is this? And it was this whole thing that just happened. So I've always fought between death metal and hardcore.

But I also love like Steely Dan. And I like fucking listening to like John Mayer. And I listen to everything. you know 70s 60s it doesn't matter just a classic music I'm a music guy you're a music guy yeah I love it at what point because I wanted to get onto the COVID thing as well because I was going to ask you but then we might as well just figure it out like you had a you have a business you are you own a tattoo shop I do you are a tattooized I am um how did COVID affect that fuck where was it where are you based now because you will get some people that want to come get

tallowed by you sure um okay so December 2019 December 2019 I signed a check for a year's lease great time when on tour came home we started setting up for the buildout the plan was when I came home we're going to start the build out and get everything on the level and then I was going to go on tour and do the US that diordiard is murder tour and then come home and then a shop would be ready to open and we would open March April. Yeah. Well, as you all know, the world said, fuck you.

So I wrote a check and lost a pretty good chunk of money every month. My partner and I, because we couldn't build, we couldn't get permits, everything was shut down. We went from opening in March April to opening in July August. So six to seven months of just pissing money away. You know, it's crazy with that though. The tattoo studios here were closed for almost two years. Yeah. Well, the thing is, is we live in a state where they were a little easier, you know,

not that I agree with it like wholly, but I was in a position where it was like, can we work this out in a way where we can kind of soft open, tattoo our clients and be really safe about it, have one or two people in the shop at a time, COVID test, do the whole thing. And we did that. And it was just me and my business partner, and we had one person working for us, and then that person quickly left. And then we were able to open. And then we had somebody, this guy, Andrew, who turned out to be an amazing employee, He lost a job and he was like, fuck, I don't have anywhere to work. And we were like, we'll come work with us.

And then all of a sudden, boom. Then we hired Josh and Josh brought his apprentice who is also great. And we got this new guy, Spencer, and this dude, Oscar came to work with us for a while before he opened his own shop. And then all of a sudden, it's running like clockwork. Like everything's moving. You know, all the fucking gears are greased and moving. So luckily we got. So it sucked, but it could have been worse.

Well, we lost our asses. and we were at a loss for the first two years of the business. Like, we were just so far in debt and unable to catch up. But we were able to keep the business moving, and now we're doing very well. Like, we're very lucky. We have a very supportive neighborhood that we're in because we're kind of like a neighborhood tattoo shop.

We're not, like, in the city. We're on the outskirts of a neighborhood. And, man, I can't see. In Smyrna, just outside Atlanta, the name of the shop is Rose Gold Tattoo. Our Instagram is Rose Gold Tattoo. Get it in. Get it in.

And you can find us on IG, Rose Gold Tattoo ATL, just whatever. And yeah, it's been great. You also relocated? I moved. Yeah, but I moved 10 years ago. Oh, really? Yeah. Why?

Because I just, I always see you in Jersey. Well, yeah, because that's where the band is. Right. I don't, yeah. Yeah, I moved 10. In my head, it was in fucking Jersey. My son just turned 12 and he was two going on three when we moved from New Jersey. down there. It was Atlanta and Smyrna and the surrounding areas are a place. If you're a musician,

you can sneak into an area and not pay as much to live and you can have like a lifestyle like the Northeast because I live just like I lived in the Northeast 25 minutes outside New York City. I live 25, 30 minutes outside Atlanta. I can make city wages and live in a more like rural kind of area and pay less. My son goes to a great school and my mortgage on my house is so cheap I could never live in Glasgow, Scotland.

Right. Exactly the same. Yeah. You can be a touring guy or girl or whatever and afford to live and pay your bills and support your family. I mean, the most important thing is if I'm going to keep doing this,

it can't affect my son's life. So if I lived in New Jersey, I would never be able to tour as much as I do and live on a touring guy's wage. But living in Atlanta, you know, at the time we bought our house, houses were under the $200,000 mark, under the $180,000 mark. We bought a really nice house in a good neighborhood

for, you know, a very reasonable price. And I'm able to support my family in a way that I never could on a touring guy's wage. And now that I have the tattoo shop, it's even better. Yeah. You know, and I'm very lucky, and I'm going to say thank you to my team because my team of guys at my tattoo

shop are amazing with customers and they make great tattoos but they're also very understanding to my lifestyle and they give me the ability to own a business and to go out so my business partner and my guys if you ever see this thank you because he makes it a nice guy where does the bad rap come from i used to be in a big fucking jerk off dude you know so you're a bit yeah you're a bit like a like a legend give me give me the worst of you Give me the worst. I don't want to heck you. No, because everyone changes.

Yeah, I was just angry, man. I had a really rough upbringing, you know, your typical sob story childhood bullshit. I'm not going to sit here and cry for myself, but it was hard. You know, extremely rough coming up, you know, emotional abuse and some physical abuse and sexual abuse and abandoned by my father. and my mother doing the best she could, but maybe not being the most stable person ever. You know, I'm not talking bad, but she went through a lot while we were going through a lot. And, you know, my stepfather coming in and trying to make that work and that being hard and, you know, being on the poor end of life and not having a lot of stability. And, you know, and then being a fucking fat kid and getting picked on on top of that and dealing with that, it just made me angry.

I was pissed off at everything. And I did everything I could to take my anger. anger out on everybody I could because I thought if I was hurting, everybody should hurt. And I don't realize, I didn't realize that then, but I realized it now. And looking back, I was, I was fucking, I don't like who I was, but I like who I'm becoming. You know, we live in a time now where it's really important to realize that we're all broken and to empathize with other people's brokenness, like, and try to repair each other and also tolerate other people's

process. I think the biggest thing right now is look like feelings are important for the first time probably in the history of America we're putting people's emotional side over their monetary or you know

don't be a pussy. We don't say that anymore. It's like okay well what's making you break? Some people still say. Yeah, some people say it and I say it jokingly to my friends. The overwhelming population especially people in our world especially people in our world

never used to be like open to yeah talking about stuff like that right now if you you I can talk about my abuse I can talk about all these things in a way where it's healthy where I used to just get mad you know like

how long did that take 35 years was there a turning point my wife and my son that's awesome Everyone I know with kids is so much less angry than me I have experience yesterday I'm not even going to name any names

Just a friend of mine who has kids And I was just we were just shooting the shit about something And one of our other friends had done something On Instagram And I was like, look at this motherfucker You know, just like What you do And he just turned around and he went

Yeah but do you think he's happy And like do you care? And I was like I feel terrible and it was like in a meet and I was like that's that's dad brain I think you can only get that once you've I don't know

and it made me check myself and I was like I love that guy why am I talking shit about him well I mean it's easy to okay so most times and I found this out about myself when you have some kind of an issue with something that somebody does

it's because it's something that you know you've done Oh, it was exactly that as well. And you feel like an asshole and you know that this is wrong. It was exactly that. So like, look, man, I'm not perfect. I struggle every day. I used to say and do things that I never should have said and done. And he would make excuses for it.

And now I just say I was wrong. You know, and there are a lot of people out there that have done wrong things. There are a lot of people out there that have taken advantage and said things and done things because for shock value or whatever. And I was mad at everyone, dude. It wasn't just one person or, you know, it was everyone. Anybody who was doing better than me, I was mad at them. Anybody that wasn't struggling, I was mad at them. Anybody that opposed me or tried to make me feel a certain way,

I just saw all the terrible things in my life and I fucking attacked it. And it was a coping mechanism. So I didn't have to sit down and think about how vulnerable I was because these fucking bad things happen to me. And a lot of people are like that. And I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for the bad shit I've done. And when people say, you know, you fucking were an asshole to me, the only thing I can say is, well, I could say I was sorry, but that doesn't change anything. So if it's any benefit or if it means anything, you're right. I was bad to you.

And I apologize. And I've had people come to me and tell me they were bad to me. And, like, you know, I've always tried to reconcile with things in a way where it's like, you know, when you get mad at somebody for doing something shitty to you, it's like, well, how many times have I. I've done something stupid or shitty to people. So it's like, yeah, you know, you're right. And as people, we have to have tolerance for other people's healing processes. You can't tell someone, well, you're 35 years old. You should be over that part of your life right now.

It's like, well, maybe I just haven't had a chance to find the thing that makes me look at myself in the mirror. And when I met my wife. So it's wife or mushrooms? Yeah, yeah. I mean, DMT, you know what I mean? I did the other one. But when I met my wife, I was in a really weird position. I had just gotten out of a really bad relationship with somebody who I cared about deeply,

but I probably should have never been in a relationship with because both of us were broken as shit. But, you know, she's doing great, you know, and I'm doing great, and we still talk. And that's really cool and healthy, I think, to have a relationship with somebody that you should have never been with in the first place. So I met my wife at a point in my life where I wasn't looking to be with anybody. I was just pissed and didn't want anything. And she just pressured her way in there. And I don't say that lightly. Like she sought me out and put the time in and showed up at my old job after we had gone out on a date and didn't necessarily go the way we both wanted it to because I was distracted.

And she was trying to look like, you know, she wasn't looking for a relationship. And there was all these weird underlying things. It was nice. We had a nice time. But I just took her home, kiss on the cheek and left kind of thing. And she just kept coming around and it made me feel like, wow, like, why is this girl pursuing me? And then, you know, she had a set up at home, man. She had a nice car and a college education paid for.

And her parents gave her everything she needed. And she literally gave all that up to move out of her parents' house and move in with me. They took the car away. They did all this stuff. And she's like, I don't care. She's like, I want to be with you. And like, that made me sit back and be like, wow. like, holy shit, that's a fucking big deal.

So then I started looking at myself differently. And then a couple of years later, she got pregnant with my son. And then it's like, all right, I really have to figure out what's going on in my life. I used to talk to people like shit. I used to just be pissed off all the time. And I don't want to be like that around my son. And then I just, she helped me. I'm not fixed.

I'm just better along the line than I was before. She helped me do all that. I owe her. I always tell her like when you're ready to leave, I fucking get it. You know what I mean? You've been putting up with a lot for the past couple years. But like we have the kind of relationship where we'll start really heated. But then we realize what's going on and we can sit down and talk.

And like that has transcended into other areas of my life. I still fight with people, will more than anyone. He's like, we go at each. You know how he can get. And we boom, we clash and then call each other back. And then we can be level. But I wasn't always like that. I would just fly off.

I'm so stubborn. That's my worst thing. I'm so stubborn. I can easily that. If I have an argument with someone, I can put the phone down and never speak to them ever again. I didn't speak to my mother for like two and a half years

because of something she said, that she shouldn't have said. You know, I'm very much capable of doing that. I hope we don't fall out. Perhaps we'll never speak again. Me and you? Yeah. Nah, we'll never.

No, I don't need to. And we don't work together. No, we don't. There's no need to work. Yeah. Yeah. It's easy when you don't have to do anything serious with somebody. If you could just be friends.

I have friends where I've went to work with them or we've done like one project together. And we're like best friends and at the end of it, we've both been like, we can't do that again. Yeah. Because it's... Well, I've been friends with my business partner for like fucking 20 years. And I actually have two business partners that are actually people that have really helped me fix my brain. And one of them, I was having... a really hard time through COVID and we were open in the shop together and he got pissed

at me and rightfully so and he came at me in a way where like I was like you know not doing enough and kind of he was doing more because I was I felt like I was failing at everything my fucking tattooing career was falling apart because of COVID and my fucking music career was falling apart and I had some money saved and it was just fucking flying out the door and I was panicking how am I gonna why I'm gonna feed my kid how yeah and I was just depressed, like borderline like fucking bullet in my brain depressed. And he came at me

and he was pissed and he had every right to be pissed but the second that I said, I'm not doing good, the conversation immediately changed and he became my friend again and I realized that I had good people. He helped me a lot too. That helped me a lot. And you know,

you don't think you have that in your life until it shows its face and I owe him and my wife and one of my other friends who I'm in another band. Like I just, all these people for helping me realize that I can be a decent human being. Because when you're in that state, you don't think you can. You think you deserve all the shit.

You don't realize that your attitude is just creating the shit. No one's giving you the shit. The world is not forcing the shit to you. You're creating your own pile of shit to jump in every day. And as you start to realize that and get better, it becomes a, smaller pile and then you're just stepping in it instead of like diving in it yeah you know and when you're working with someone when you're working with friends i can relate to that as well during the pandemic i have fuck when i was at my lowest during the pandemic similar thing like i fucking

you know when you know everyone fucking knows my shit i went through a fucking divorce during the pandemic loads of shit and uh but similar shit and i'm working with people who are friends and trying to work through it and figure out what we're doing and whatever and there's one guy that I don't even want to say his name or whatever, but like, I remember just texting him out of the blue, like, just fuck you, man. And it was like, and then we had this huge argument.

And then I did exactly the same as you. I was like, look, I am fucking low. I'm really sorry. I'm fucking like, and then again, it just changed and we had a chat. Same Rob that does my merch, Robert Allotment, that's my merch. We have, you know, I'm,

he's got a fucking balancing a million bands and I'm throwing idea that him and all this shit and something gets lost in translation or whatever, and we have a fucking huge blow-up about it. And then at the end of the day, it's like when, when Lika went into hospital, we were arguing about something business-wise,

but then he just phones me and he's like, is she okay? And we had a big chat. And he was like, immediately, you know, you forget the business thing. And then the chat, the friend chat, makes you realize, like, I'm kind of being a cunt.

Yeah. Well, I mean, the biggest problem is you You never know how many of your friends are ready to chew on the end of a gun Always remember that, you know? Like, that's a thing that you never know Like when you're mad at someone, then you're going to say something Chew on the end of a gun I've never heard it never, you never know what I mean?

And like fucking loads of us Yeah, and that's the thing that I'm talking about Like it's not fair for anyone to put a time limit on somebody's mental health It's not fair for anyone to tell me you should be over the fact that you were sexually abused when you are fucking nine years old. Who the fuck do you think you are to talk to me like that? That's a hard lesson learned for me because I thought I was high and mighty. Oh, fucking look at me. I'm tough as fuck.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Took my son being in my arms for me to break down and realize if I don't get my life together, I'm going to ruin this human. I learned every... That's fucking impressive. Because some people don't It's inherited I know my father

You can meet my My father didn't And if he's watching Fuck you Because it'll be that way Forever Would he be watching? Yeah I hope so

Yeah Fuck you from me as I Fuck you Yeah Yeah I mean I had disgusting disgusting human beings out there That are terrible

You know When I see somebody Who was Who I know Did bad things Growing up Being great parent I'm like

You are bettering the world By realizing what was wrong with you. And we're going, and this is another thing. Like, we're at a point in time and in our, I guess, social standing in the entire world where we're being more open to different lifestyles and accepting people for who they are and not judging people for the things that they choose and allowing people to explore all these new spaces, right? The only way that that gets better, the only way we end, sexism, racism, fucking classism, all these different things. The only way

we end that as by teaching our children how wrong it is. Because when we all die, they're the ones that are going to learn from our lessons. So if you're saying and doing things in your house in front of your children that are not better for them in the world, then you're just still a piece of shit. You have to sign yourself up to the fact that the way we were raised was not good. There are a lot of things that happened in my household that when I was a kid that will never happen in my household as an adult. because I don't want my son to feel how I felt, and I don't want my son to learn the things that I learned,

so he has to unlearn them to be a better person. There's a big unlearning process that has to happen for people like us who have been through those things that breaks us. Like you don't get broken overnight. It's like the whole thing, you don't learn hate. Or I'm sorry, you learn hate, you're not born with hate. You take a bunch of kids and you put them in a fucking, fucking playpen, they just play together. They don't know any fucking different. You have to be taught to hate people. You have to be, it's a learned behavior.

Jealous that starts a fight and all that stuff. Yeah, like that's learned behavior. So you have to teach your kids. Now, I'm not saying I'm the best parent in the world, but I'm definitely not going to be like my parents. Yeah. And I tell my son, I bought him a phone a few years ago so I could text him on tour to tell him I love him every day. Like I tell him that more than one day probably than I heard it my whole fucking life. Because, I just wanted to know. You know what I mean? So we live in a time where it's our responsibility and when I say our responsibility I mean parents and teachers people who can teach

generations under us that we were fucking stupid. And that's it man That's why I... Respect to you. Shout out to all the parents who've gone through trauma and they are stopping it

so the trauma ends with them. Yeah. Because they're changing the world. Break the cycle. Break the cycle. Yeah. What a fucking nice guy. I only met you like, I met you in the nice arc.

So I'm like, I was coming into the nice arc. I was like, guy fucking rules. Yeah, it's funny because people like, oh, Pat, you're, he's just fucking asshole. That was honestly, I think the first time I met you, I remember someone being like, oh, Pat's coming. And then you turned up, I was like, this guy fucking rules. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's also situational. Could have been different.

I could have had something terrible happened to me on the way there and walked in and flipped the whole studio over and then walked out. How was the fucking. I got lucky. I'm a nerve, dude. I'm an open nerve and you touch me the wrong way and I'm fucking in pain and then I'm angry but now I'm better at that I like it I'm gonna take some of that on board I think I'm in my redemption I don't I have I have late life trauma I had a great childhood but like I think I'm in my

fixed myself redemption arc be more forgiving area of my life well a lesson that I taught my son was that when you do something to somebody, they don't have to forgive you. Right? You can say you're sorry. You can say, hey, you know, I know this was wrong and it's my bad. And I'm just putting it out there. And they could respond and be like, you know what? That's great that you see that.

But fuck you. And at that point, you have to accept that. You know, so when you go through this repair phase, a big thing that holds people up is that you try to fix these relationships. and sometimes people are unresponsive or they don't care. And I think you can't be mad at somebody for being mad at you for something that you did to them. And that's a big thing. You know, I've done and said and I look back on my life. And I don't know that I regret it because it was a situation that I was in and I didn't have any other way out.

I'm not asking for sympathy. And I wouldn't have my wife and my son if I didn't go through all those things. It wouldn't be in my band. I wouldn't be around like-minded people. but it would have been cooler if I did this in my early 20s you know I probably would have had a different kind of life but here I am you know what I mean you can't live like that though people like I got asked the other day

like have any regrets and I was like I genuinely don't think I have any regrets and everyone was like like getting married and then I was like no because I wouldn't have if I didn't have to pay for that shit pay for the divorce go through all that shit then I wouldn't have like hustled during the pandemic to get the money to pay for that shit when I didn't have any jobs. And then now the podcast is smashing,

the fucking merch is smashing. I'm like, so I don't regret any of it. I literally regret. Maybe I regret some stuff, but they're not in my mind. There's a difference between regret and like lessons learned that you can take with you.

You know, if there's anything that I regret, it's, no, I don't care. It's like maybe not spending enough time with my grandmother before she passed. My sister passed away a few years ago and that was really hard and I wish I had a little bit more conversations with her, but I emotionally couldn't. I lost my nephew and my sister within like seven days of each other. Fuck. There was an accident with my nephew and he passed away at six years old.

Jesus Christ. And then my sister died from cancer like, it was almost like she waited until everything was finished with Gage to. decide that it was her son no no no no no it was my brother's son right and um but i felt we always talk about it like she held on it just seemed like she held on just a little bit too long but it's almost like she knew that she had to give the family a little bit of time because of what was going on and i don't know if she even was like aware enough to know because she was pretty far out but you know that was like a crazy year so I regret maybe not getting to talk to her as much I was on tour a lot and I was on the phone with her a lot and I came home and I was like look we'll cancel this thing and she was like no I want you to go you know being a supportive sister so that was hard so I regret that stuff like that I don't know I don't regret anything that happened to me you can't change things that people do to you you know so you you go through things and they are what they are you know but you know life's a journey man

life's your you're such a fucking old wizard I'm fucking old as shit but there's wizard there's wizard vibes and you can only have a wizard vibe if you've been through that shit so fucking respect for you let's lighten it up though

sure let's go for it so what we're going to do is the thing that I started doing I don't know if you listened to Will's latest episode I didn't so the drum motherfucker so I've been doing a dream festival at the end right don't you dare say a word yet right because it needs to be off the cuff and what we're gonna do I'm gonna give you some

people's example so it's a complete dream festival as in like you were asleep and you had a dream and this happened so it can be as crazy as you want so we'll run you through what happens but to give you and I will do it bit by bit but to give you will's final one was it was in Australia outdoor festival, two main stages. Metallica headline, 9 inch nails, co-headline. They flip-flop,

song to song. So Trent has to stand there watching Metallica play. Metallica is playing and justice for all with the bass turned up but with the St. Anger snare. In...

I fucking love this. The crowd is all dogs. Will's got pretty fucking crazy. The crowd is all dogs. Everyone's drinking spin drift. That's the sponsor. Then after the show, everyone gets on a flight to Japan to go to Ichirang and have ramen. And I think it was Ichbanan, a flight to Japan to have authentic ramen.

And I'm flying the plane. That was where it was. Yesterday I did malevolence, okay? Malevolence is was in Bali, Malave headlining. It's in a beach resort. Beach, stage, swimming pool. Three areas of mosh after the swimming pool. So people can swim, get on the stage and literally stage dive.

Literally stage dive. Three areas of mosh. Just a crowd kill area. Circle pit area. Standard mosh area. Then strip club style seating around there with bottle service and a Michelin Star Chef. Then amphitheater sort of style at the back. And all of this is Mulev.

supported by Drake, supported by a full hologram set of the 1991 Pantera Moscow show. Jesus Christ. Fucking sick. Pretty good. All of this is over by 5pm where everyone gets on a massive super yacht, and there's Sheffield Garage music played till the wee hours. That was theirs. We're going to start with yours.

Pack from Knock Looses was in Prague. So, you know, it doesn't matter. So it's a pick a place. So number one, we're picking where is the venue? Is it a venue? Is it outdoors? What country is it? Okay. I'm going to say Cancun, Mexico. Oh, so nice. I've got you thinking with this beach resort.

Outdoor stage. Nice. I would say the stage backs up to the water. So the water is behind the stage. So when you're looking at the bands and you look past, all you see is beautiful cancun water. And the back. And the back of the stage is open so there can be yachts and boats and things outside so we can walk to the other side and play for people partying on boats behind us. Oh, this is a 360 stage. Nice.

I like it. So there we go with that. Dream festival stuff. I love it. Um, so Fit has to play. Okay. Fit's gonna direct support. Okay.

So who's the headliner? Steely Dan is going to headline. Wow. Walter Becker's Ghost is going to play guitar. That's fine. It's a dream. We have to... It's a dream.

Right before the set, we're going to have a seance, and we're going to pull his ghost onto the stage and force him to play guitar for his band. Okay. I love this. And then fit is direct support. It's direct support. What I need from you is also what we have is a smaller stage, and we need a headliner for the smaller stage.

At this point, you would give me a small band that maybe people haven't heard of that you're really into. Great American Ghost is going to. the headline on that stage. Yeah, nice. But that's going to be the Hawaiian stage. So everybody is going to have to play in grass skirts. Nice. And it's going to be like a party stage kind of thing.

It's going to have something that shoots beach balls into the crowd. Nice. But the beach balls hit the air and explode their smaller beach balls in there. So it's hundreds of beach balls in the crowd. Yeah, it'll be unbelievable. Love it. Great American Ghosts on there. What's everyone drinking?

I would say we have a polar seltzer sponsor. Nice. Any particular flavors standing out to you? I'm going to say the Yeti flavor is one of my favorites. It's one of the, they do like these special flavors in the winter and the summer, but they did a flavor called Yeti, and that one was incredible. And then we'll just do your standard cranberry lime, because that's one of my go-to favorites. Oh, orange vanilla, because that's the goat.

that is the fucking boat. Were you in the studio that when we were recording internal automics and we tried to drink fucking, I can't remember what it was. We tried to drink a hundred or something. It was pretty crazy. It was fucking hot. And there was the wall of it on top of the amps. I do remember.

I bowed out. I think I did 12. I started getting like a fucking head. Throwing up. Yeah. This is not right. Okay. What else do I need?

Oh, and what's the after party? What happens afterwards? What time is the show on till? Here's the deal. When Fit hits the stage, we go up on. stage right about 15 minutes before sunset. Give yourself the best 360 slot. 360 slot.

So the sun goes down and then the stage is lit by Pyro and black light. That's all the stages lit with. Okay. So then we finish and when we finish the stage drops and another stage comes up with Steely Dan on it. There's just it just rotates in and out. So then when we get done. we load up and then when the show is over

under the stage there is a passageway to a boat and that boat will take us around the Yucatan to another section that is all set up with instruments hundreds of instruments all kinds of instruments and everyone from the show gets to go up on this stage and we record of cover songs of different bands that played on the festival

with all of the fans of the music playing whatever instruments they want. How are you vetting these motherfuckers. You can't just have Joe Schmoe coming up and playing the fucking drums. But the thing is, is we have the best sound guy. Who's engineering this?

We're going to have, I would say we have, hmm, man, this is tough. You're going to fucking tell me that. Woody, Woody, Twan, and Cam that we have out with us right now

and Luke Buckby. That's our four engineers. So they get to pick which instruments are falling in properly. And those are the ones that they'll mix in. So we can make this live record that everybody that's at the show can be a part of that we can actually put out and have everybody be a part of the festival. Right.

Sell it back to the fans. Fans. Okay. And then what's catering? Because that's why I forgot to ask my left. So there is a restaurant in. Love it how everyone gets so into this that it's like, It's like when you're planning your Christmas presents when you're a kid and it's like, I'm not getting any of these.

Yeah, yeah. There's a place called Manny. It's a steakhouse. And Marshy from the island I go there whenever we're, I believe it's in Minnesota, I want to say. Where is after the burial? Maybe is it there? Yeah, I think it is there. Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's where it is.

So we have them cater for all of the carnivores. And then we get a four-star vegan restaurant. restaurant owner to fly their chef out and cater the vegan and vegetarian side of things. Nice. But everything has to be French influenced American food. What does that mean? Steak, vegan versions of like chicken and steak and like... Oh, is that kind of French influence?

Yeah, but with French influence, like American food with a French influence. Is this something you're creating now? No, this is the actual thing. It's a real thing. The French influence everything with cooking. French cuisine is like tons and tons of different, you know. I didn't know they had an influence on the American culture. Yeah.

Oh, they do. Yeah, for sure. I mean, French influences everything. When it comes to food and fashion, I mean, that's the mecca. And it's served by models from the Ford modeling agency. And everyone has... Now we're fucking talking. And everyone has to wear leather pajamas when they're serving the food.

We've got some kinks in that. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be fancy, sexy leather pajamas. It could be like a bunny white leather outfit, full-length pants with bunny soda. I don't care what it is. It just has to be leather pajamas. And that is my homage to, oh man, now I'm forgetting it. Cardi B because there's a line in one of Cardi B song that says all my pajamas are leather. She's talking about her being a freak.

Is she coming to the festival? She can do whatever she wants. She wants to be there. Hard agree. You know what she's playing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She's definitely playing. Okay, so where is she on the lineup?

She is direct support to fit. Okay, so let's do the rundown. Okay. Pat's Dream Festival. We are in Cancun, Mexico. We have Steely Dan is. headlining. Yeah.

They are main support fit for an autopsy. We are on a 360 degree stage on the waterfront. There are boats and people partying on boats. They can watch from that side. The sun's going down on fit plays. There's a normal state. There's a normal people in the other bit, not on boats. Second stage, Great American Ghosts.

Headline. Hawaii stage. Yeah. There is beach ball cluster beach balls that will fire into the audience and they will explode and create more beach balls. Yes. It's like a game of worms. like a kind of worms vibe

but with beach balls then once fit has played at sunrise at sunset at sunset the stage flips from underneath Steely Dan start playing immediately

after that a tunnel takes everyone to a boat where there is a full no the boat goes around the Yucatan party around the Yucatan see all of it until you go to another stage Another stage with loads of equipment that we make a record with everyone that was at the show There's four engineers that are vetting and will has the mix and master

That nightmare festival yeah well is mixing and mastering and just going ah And oh yeah sorry and Cardi B Cardi B is that's right there's a restaurant there is manis is catering yeah for the carnivores Yeah, we have a four star vegan vegan chef coming chef come in And every server is from the Ford modeling agency and is wearing leather pajamas. And Cardi B is the guest of honor between, oh, geez, direct support to Fit for an Autops. Absolutely. And she's going to stay.

I'm going to add this. She's going to stay on stage for Fitz's first song. God damn right. She is. She's going to do a feature. It was a pleasure to have you on the downbeat. I've had fun. It got serious.

And then, I don't know that there'll be a more lighthearted version of the, uh, the festival. I'm fucking, I'm willing to try, and I love the juxtaposition. I think, for what it's worth, you are an incredibly wise, just nice dude, and I'm very pleasure to know you. I love you, and I appreciate you having me. It's wonderful to be here. And I can't go to your show because I'm going to see my parents. Your mom.

And me dad. And me dad. What a fucking pleasure. Thanks. Check out over the future. What tour has you got? Right now. This is me supposed to be doing my job.

Yeah, we're supposed to have already done this thing. We are out on our headliner in Europe for the next two and a half weeks. We will be hitting mainland Europe from the UK. This is going to come out after that, so hit me with a summer. Yeah. And then... Anything announced? We don't have anything announced, but we do have...

We are going to Australia, and then we do have a direct support tour that we're doing. in September that I'm so excited about and I'll tell you about it after we get off of here. We did have, we were supposed to go to Japan, but it looks like that might get rescheduled, but we are searching for things right now. So keep your ears open. We are working, but September, we will certainly be on tour in the States for sure. And we will be in Australia, I believe in July. Don't, before you fucking leak anything, let's just fucking keep.

Stay tuned. I'm about to find out what it is. is right now.