The Downbeat - PSYCHO-FRAME: Songwriting, Faith, and Politics as 2025's most BRUTAL Band.

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

My guests on the Downbeat Podcast this week are Colter Cuthbertson and Mike Sugars - the dual vocalists of self proclaimed SPINKICK DEATHCORE band Psycho-Frame. In many ways an underground supergroup, Psycho-Frame make hilariously heavy music and their debut LP Salvation Laughs In The Face Of A Grieving Mother easily made it’s way into my top 5 of 2025. We talk about everything around the band- from its formation to the album itself, as well as their aesthetic, splitting lyric writing duties and the influence of anime, video games and politics on said lyrics. Many laughs were laughed

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My guests on the podcast this week, the vocalist from self-proclaimed spin-kick death core band Psycho Frame. Now, I know you guys always say that I'm always like, oh, this is my favorite album of the year, but Spotify wrapped, the numbers don't lie. Salvation laughs in the face of a grieving mother is definitely in my top five for the year. An unbelievable record.

It's absolute brutality at its finest. One of my favorite new bands. It was great to catch up. with the guys talk about the history of the band their previous bands i toured with mike before we delve a little bit into how the album was made lyrical concepts i was pretty surprised by some of the lyrical content i thought it was about something else ends up as about something else so we delve into that a little bit after the podcast i went to see their show in nashville and believe me if you can go see psychofram and you're yearning for some just hilariously brutal music go and check them out before we get started i want to

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Chong, chong, chong, chong, chong, chung. I love heavy music. NeuraldSP.com. Forge. Psychoframe on the Downbeat podcast. Homs to Simon. Simon's the editor. Simon cuts it all together. It makes it look cool.

Simon's awesome. Simon is awesome. I've been saying that for years. He is. He doesn't believe it. Me too, bro. Simon, high-key, maybe one of my biggest fans across the pond. Actually?

Possibly. He talks about anything that I've done for the last, like, five years the most over there. Let's just open it up with a big Simon thing. Anyway, Coulter, Mike. Psycho friend. Howdy?

Thanks for being here. We're just talking about Simon. Simon Dead Souls 13, I think, his username is. We used to gas vac, and up back in the day. Yeah. No, I remember him posting. Yeah.

Simon, you got... Simon, this is going to stay in. This isn't even a fucking edit. Boys, thanks for coming. Of course. First day at all, hectic. Scary. Tech issues.

Yeah. What was it? Are in your rig. You know, you practice the day before. Everything's great. Yep. And then you show up on stage for sound check. And then he has...

I'd be honest, everything wasn't great. I just don't bring up any problems. And then I go, hey, is this normal? Okay. And he goes... No. At rehearsal, there was problems. I was just like, this is probably normal.

What was the problem? My ears are just going, and I'm like, that's cool. You were like, and then when everyone plays, I can like kind of not hear us. It's probably what it's like. This must be normal. Yeah.

So then today's sound check happened. I just asked, and then it. It became a thing. I was like, I will fix this because he's very good at his job, and it just took longer. But the whole practice, you just practiced with that. Yeah. And then today, nice splash. That was insane. I did not expect that.

So you got it sorted. Yeah, we're good. Sure. Who's on what's in the in ear mix? Like, what does everyone have? I mean, just really like the band. We have like a backtrack, of course, coming out of a laptop. But everything else is just live drums, you know, our guitars, bass, vocals.

I just tried to make it sound like what it sounds like on the record. When we play on stage. But do you have the click? Yeah, I have a click in mine. I don't know if you're using it. Chito. A tiny little bit of quick. I got him turned down.

What about A.O.8? Not even a dis. It's just hard. It's hard doing shit with two vocals. Yes, it's awesome. Yeah, when you feel it. I got questions later on about your A08s because they're fucking to die for. There's maybe 500 in our set.

You just picked up on something I wanted to ask later on, but it's much more natural to ask it now. So you said you have less mic in your, like on stage, how do you decide? who's going to be where? We don't. We just kind of run around. But from what I've seen, it doesn't look awkward. Yeah, like physically. We, two goaded house white boys.

Every day is a learning experience. So, like, I don't know, whenever we first started, I guess, I don't know, I don't really know. Because, like, so Colter replaced the original other singer, John. John Will? Yes. And when John and I, were playing in the band.

We never really like crossed each other. Like I was stage left vocalist. Okay. And he was stage right. So we never really cross that boundary. And I had told him that. And without saying anything about it, he said, that shit's done. And then I can't stand still.

Figuring it out from the motherfucker does not stop moving. I can see. I piss them off. So then I've had to adapt. There's quite a few shows where he was like, enough. Yeah. Just calm down. Dude, in where we were in Grand Rapids.

That's where I was like, please, for the love of God. But you're just darting around and you're like, I've got my space. He also had sunglasses on and couldn't see what he was doing. I had my jacket on, sunglasses on. It was dark in. Small stage. Huge wingspan. You got a real bassist.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, insane. No laptop. No laptop on a bass. Real bassist, two singers, two guitars? One guitar. One guitar. One guitar.

One guitar. Is one guitar on track? Yeah. it's okay it's okay I'll let you off one of them is that or base on track yeah I mean

he's the thing and the answer everyone got base on track at least you visually you look at it and you're like this all comprises a band you're not looking at it

except for two seconds where the fuck's a bass player I hear bass there's no bass my issue I always get into trouble because obviously I'm friends with counterparks

and they're like they're like the MacBook bass bass band yes I got beef with MacBook bass because you're taking a job away from someone

one whereas guitar i can kind of see like okay one guitarist wrote all of this why not just put one them on the track base come on yeah give a little bassist a job this christmas because not only is the bass is so overlooked and just like not seen as important to people for bands as an ecosystem to do that to them that's crazy was macky ever in psycho frame legally speaking yes legally he's on he's on like the back cover of the first EP and he does have writing credits on some of those first songs that we released so like the song uh raining glass yeah that's him he's on yeah and when we just toured with him uh last show he even came up and did a guest spot with us and then he walked off and we were like we're sorry we kicked you out at the band the bit every night was

shout out mackey thanks for starting the band sorry we kicked you out so we kicked you out Did you kick him out? No. Yeah, no. Mutual. He did name the band. He's the band. He's the band. He's the Gundam nerd.

He's busy. I mean, I also love Gundam, but he named it. He came up with that. That's crazy. You just alluded to the tour you just did. Maybe the best lineup I think I've seen in a long time. Wild lineup. Like, absolutely insane.

Mulev, Speed, Dying Wish, Psychoframe. Yep. That would piss me off being on that tour because I love kind of not watching some of my friend's bands. Yeah. Like I need like one, I need the band before me because I need to fucking warm up and do this shit. But that tour, I'd be watching everyone. Yeah. All the bad things about that tour were positive things.

Like, I want to chill, but I'm going to watch every band every night. Were you on the bus with malevolent? No, they had their own. And theirs was wrapped. They had the monster. Monster logo, the whole thing. It's sick as fuck. Insane how they get.

away with that. They're awesome. Like anyone else on earth that did that, I'd be like, that's the name this shit. I went in my left. I'm like, okay, it's sick. Yeah. No, I didn't bat. Now, I had it. How was it all for you guys? Uh, fucking sick. Yeah. So, first time over there with this band. With this band. With this band. We'll get into that. Yeah. With this band, first time over there. So, of course, like, it, you know, you go over, you expect to eat shit, lose money. Everyone hates you. And you should die. Like, you know, Like that can, in the UK.

That can happen. Um, and we just didn't feel that. Like, there was maybe one show in Germany where like things like truly kind of felt bad, but only for maybe the first half. And it was really just because of like door and showtime. That was like that got messed up.

Yeah. I was getting like, you're like, eh, you're all right. Well, that one actually did feel a little bad. I was on my life sick. Oh, this too.

I mean, just named we did we did we did Leipzig it was still fun twice in the next twice in the last year we did Leipzig and both times it was the worst German sorry Leipzig was the worst German show of the tour same thing like just a vibe was just like you paid the money like come be nice to us yeah what's happening and it they all had a good time but it's just

I don't think it's a culture of going fucking nuts in Leipzig maybe this may have been the show where everyone on the package so like you know, we're opening, dying wish is after us, and you speed, Mulev. This was the show. Like,

we walked off stage, I believe, if this is the right show I'm talking about, and we said, well, that was one of the shows, for sure.

Maybe Dying Wish will have an easier time. Yeah. They walked off stage. And they said, no, they crushed. They did crush, but they themselves said,

they were like, fuck, I don't know about that one. If anyone's going to figure this out, it's going to be speed. Oh, yeah, that show is weird

because we finished our set and I was just like, damn, all right, y'all not really rocking with us. It was like, it was good. It was like a pretty full house and everything. And then we just, like, weren't feeling it because no one was, like, really interacting that much. And then our set ended, and they started chanting for an encore.

I was like, you didn't like the first seven. What do you mean? So weird, isn't it? Yeah. I wish it was just like a little, like, a traffic-like system. But it gets installed on everyone when they go to a show and, like, in their pocket. And they just vote.

You know, like, the TSA toilets when it's like, or TSA or toilets, how happy are you with the cleanliness of the toilet? That but for a show. So they do it throughout the show. So you can see red, bread, bread over there. I don't know. We got green over there. I need that.

I would love that. I need that. You come off stage. A couple of reds, boys, but quite a lot of green. Unless it's like. It was all red. We got to go. Yeah, unless it's kind of like pandemonium, I think for a lot of us playing the kind of music that

we're playing if we're not seeing like full-blown, like interaction, like a participation from the crowd, we're just kind of convinced like, fuck, you guys, you are not loving us. And not seeing physical interaction out front is confusing. It's confusing. Because it's like, if you're rocking with it, why are you doing this? Yeah, but then I think of it. But then they're like, get one more song.

Like, okay. I think of it as well, because I literally came back from tour two days ago. Similar thing. A bunch of the shows that were like on paper, ticket sales, merch sales, best shows, my least favorite show because I thought the crowd weren't into it. Then I think if I was at a show. Like, I don't wash anymore. Yeah, I'm not going to do that.

Do this, but fuck, no, am I doing that? Yeah, like, you can't expect that of me. I need, like, a chair. Sit me the fuck down. You got any chairs tonight? I'd love that. Give me a little fucking, little viewing platform. My wife and my in-laws came to our Hamburg show.

Oh, wow. And we did have her grandma in a chair on a balcony. Amazing. Best seat in the house. Everyone in the package is, like, up on the balcony, making sure Nana's having a good time. stuff and I'm like, this is actually the experience I want. Put me in that fucking chat.

How did Nana enjoy Psycho Frame? She, so no idea, right? Has no idea about this culture. She's never, she's never, she's never, I know. She's never thought that it could be like this. So one question I got was if the people moshing were paid actors. That's how, from her. They are.

And they are. But obviously, that's crazy. Yeah. Paid actors. That was how the question was phrased. Yeah. Just asked me like, so do you pay them to do that? Inconceivable that someone would pay money to come do that.

It is a great idea, though. Yeah. Like we're talking about shows that suck. It's just like, I think the show kind of sucks tonight. Send in the fucking team. Yeah. Straight up. Take your 20 best answers.

Yeah. Production budget. Get them in. They'll take care of it. They'll get them all into it. No, I did respond. And I said, I would actually never give these people. people money.

I just buy a fucking t-shirt. Yeah. I'm stuck. Grandma came. That's fucking awesome. It was awesome. Thank God the show rocked. Did you,

musically, was she down? Did she understand it? Not a chance. That's absolutely insane. What happened? You're like at least half the people that watch us don't understand.

Yeah. So Nana didn't stand a chance. That's true. Listen, it's my, if you want to go on the statistics, it's my number three. I saw that.

played album of the year. Okay. I think my statistics are wrong. Okay. But not in like a, not in a diss. You're definitely, you're definitely up there. That shit should not have been on there. Wait, let's pull it up.

One, Musugger. Every year. Mishugger's my number one. Sure. That doesn't matter. Number two, OPETH. Again, I pretty much listen to OPEF all the time. Okay.

Three, your psychoframed. Four, Tesseract, which is insane to me. I do like the band Tessaract. Do I like them? that much apparently so five pliny plenty is my decorating music sure and i've moved house during this so it makes sense i've listened to a lot of pliny but top songs so this is why i'm saying i think my my figures are skewed right the plot to nuke the midwest my number one played song of the year but that wasn't on this record no yeah that doesn't make any sense doesn't make

sense. However, so the album's on there, but that song is top song. Yes. But, you know, the album, so the album came out in July. Numbers aren't real. So you have, you know, if you, if you were loving it in January, you know, I do think that there's like some kind of data skewing because when I was seeing my, I use Apple instead of Spotify, but.

Pull up your Apple. ReWarned. So top artists for 2025. We have Haley Williams, number one. Number one. You have no idea. I was in an unhealthy deep dive of her and Taylor's relationship on the flight to Europe for this past tour because that's when she was still dropping the last like two songs on the record. So you've got a parasycial thing going on where Haley Williams?

For like eight hours? Yeah, I did. For eight hours. And then I was like, okay, I'm out of this now. But you listen to it enough. I listened to be number one. Enough, for sure. I love that record.

It's so good. When did it come out, though? On our last full US, and it's the only thing that played in the van. Yeah. Yeah, damn. You put a shift in there because they stop in like October. Yeah. I really like that record.

Kendrick Lamar, not really sure how he ended up here. Not that I dislike him. Straight bangers, though, really. A lot of good songs. I mean, the data doesn't lie. You don't dislike him. Yeah. In fact, you love him.

Yeah. Jason Isbell, number three, that makes total sense. He's like an Americana country artist. Okay. Was that a gun? He's an Americana. I actually don't know what this was. He's like a country.

You know, I don't know what that was. Simon, cut that. Don't have to cut that, Simon. No, Simon stays in. I bring the horizon at number four. Not sure why. I like to bend, but they ended up there. And then my number five is psycho-free.

You number five psychroframe? Is that learning songs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those don't count. Yeah, because that's my number two, but that doesn't count because it's me prepping for tour. And then number six. You prep with, sorry, this is,

give me your number six and then I'm going to. Church tongue, my other band. He's up. Yeah, you've, you've given that a disclaimer, though. But you prep with the versions of the songs with you on already. Yeah. See, I used to do that for Drew. Okay.

So, sorry, so Drew, would learn the songs through the tracks that we'd already recorded. But there's still be some bits that he didn't sort of, that didn't cement properly. So I revoked that right from him and then I gave him the tracks without him. Oh, okay. I'll learn with that. And then he fucking smashed it. So I find it interesting that you can learn from just hearing yourself. Oh yeah. That goes in. Yeah. Plasticity of the brain that stays in it. See, for me, I could never play along with something that already has drums. That's why I learned how to drum.

I get that. You play drums as well? That's my first instrument when I was 12. I fucking hate people like you. He can't do me. He can straight up do like everything like pretty competently, if not super good. No, I can play drums and talk.

What more do you need? I can make a t-shirt as well. Go on. What's your list? Spotify or Apple. Apple. Apple as well. Love music quality or sound quality.

Number one, Haley Williams, of course. That record. Number two. The heaviest band in the world right now, by the way. No, it's good. Number three. Oh, number two was Psychoframe, because I got to learn the song. I'm a tour.

Three is men I trust. That tracks. Who's that? You've ever been to a coffee shop? A couple of times, yeah. You probably heard them. Okay. They're awesome.

They're like a bedroom indie pop. They're from Eastern Canada. Okay. Men I trust. Yeah, men I trust. or four's final resting place I really like that all their stuff

but I just kind of like let it play I was listening to it a lot while playing oblivion the remake I don't know why I just listened to it the remake okay so I was for the shadow dropped that

and for no reason prior to I was just playing the original and I got halfway through and then they were like here's the new one so I guess I'll start again started again with slightly better graphics

right I was doing that and then different builds no okay asking the real questions here same build did you build exactly the same character no I made it look like a freak in the new one because you can really go crazy with their creator before you go on like build was still just like yeah talk to me about you hand big sword yeah going swinging I just wanted to get through it fast and like that's the best way to get through it fast did you finish it no I never finished oblivion I never I never sky rims my my my one that I never got past that first cut scene.

For real? When you're on the back of that thing? Never? It was at a time. So Oblivion, I played to death, but I never finished it. And then Skyrim came out at time when I was like out of playing games for a while, but I was like, okay, I've got to play this though. And for some reason, being on the back of that cart just pissed me off so much every time.

I just wanted to skip it. I think maybe once I got to the bit. You bought that game new. Did that intro and went, I'm not playing this shit. In 2000. That's crazy. Respect though. I can do it.

Our cat's name is Kijit. That's literally her name. Cute. Because I love Skyro. Cute. I didn't get past. If it was up to me, she'd be called. I mean, there's Kajit.

An oblivion. Yeah. They got them. You're tapped in. Oh, yeah. I'm fine. I'm good. Okay.

Number six. Five is 100th. They dropped the new record this year, and I really like their new sound. Nice. And then number six is Pearl Blade. What's Pearl Blade? You know, when you hear like a song and then someone's like, okay, check out the nightcore version.

Yeah. Pretty much. It's like this, but like, it doesn't suck. Okay. Literally just takes, like, songs that shouldn't have EDM to it and puts EDM to them. Okay. So you know you said if you've ever been to a coffee shop? Yeah.

That's like, you should have just said, have you ever been to a gym. Oh, too true. I would have also said, yeah. It's blown out, crazy as fuck. I didn't know if the mic was blowing that. No, that's the mix. Oh, that's kind of cool. I think, I think, I don't know if it's in.

I want to believe it's just a guy that has no clue what he's doing. He's just like, yeah, fire. He's clipping. That's kind of fucking sick. Do you make lo-fi music? I make lots of music. How did you get into that? I don't like to stick to one thing.

I mean, you look, my top five, there's zero. Oh, one heavy man. So is it devil kid? Devil girl. Devil girl. Yeah. So I had been doing that forever. Just like learning, teaching myself, just like recording and writing and blah, blah.

I was learning daws and all that stuff. And then I've always liked breakcore, low-fi, whatever it is, just like anything, I mean, drums. Yeah, yeah. I like, I like, yeah. I was like, I want to do that and just kind of like learned how to taught myself how to do that. And I would put it into other songs for heavy bands that I had, like hardcore bands. I have a band called World of Pleasure. And just like a lot of it, a lot of the appeal is, I think, aesthetically.

And then also sound wise, it'll like very contrasting, like a song will end. And there's like a 10 second snippet of like a break core thing with a lofi or whatever it is. And are you programming that break core in? That's all me, yeah. Note for note or you're sampling it from something else. It depends. I'll sample, I'll sample like symbol and then like input. Because I listen to it. And some of the break core is like crazy.

Yeah. That's all chopped and automated and done everything. And like I'm using like five different scenarios and all this stuff. Ableton. I use for that devil girl stuff. I did Reaper. Wow. Yeah.

Just old school free. OS, that's what I learned on. But this year I switched to logic. And I love it. Do you know how to use Ableton? No. Okay. Okay.

I wouldn't say I know how to use what I'm using, but I just do stuff and then it makes a sound. I go, yeah. I like that. That's cool. That's when it comes out and it's good. So you touch, I mean, obviously with a podcast, I've got my way I want things to go, but then you're touching on stuff that I want to talk about later on, but we might as

go straight into it. Oh, crazy. You mentioned aesthetics. there. Now, one of my favorite things with Psychoframe is the aesthetic and the way that everything seems pre-planned, I hope, given some of your answers so far, I just do shit. But like, the aesthetics, all the artwork, the logo, every little clip that's on Instagram, all the videos, there's like a crazy aesthetic behind it. Even the sound design suits. Who's behind that? So that is a pretty collective effort.

But really, I mean, we just, when you start back from the first EP, we were like, yeah, we're kind of going for this thing. The first song that we dropped had the Manhunt clip. And we were just like, okay, we'll kind of stay in this like horror video game, like kind of inspired shit. We just wanted to feel like a little fucking like gross. I don't know if you ever played Manhunt. It was a fucking amazing game. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So we... I think it got banned in the UK. It did. It did. I went down the rabbit. Never stood a chance in Australia. I think I had a cracked version of it.

There's still version. Even in the US, there is... Two is like an edited version. Yeah. Awesome. Heavily. Two is more rough. It's like early 2000s, wasn't it?

I want to say like 06. I got Manhunt 2 on Wii when I was a kid. Nice. I was literally like... You were like... Using the weed, nunchucks or whatever they're called to like put a bag over someone's head. Wait, you could do that. Yeah, it was crazy.

That's so cool. That's so awesome. Yeah. I was like, why is this on here? That's fucking amazing. That's badass. So we like start there. And then even when it came down to the artwork for that, we used this artist's name is Slopjockey.

His real name is Dusty. But we've just stayed with him consistently. You know, we've really only only. only had three proper releases, two EPs and an album. We did like a double single first thing this year, but that's really just, I don't know, just to put just something out. He also did the art for that. Yeah, he did the art for that too.

We stayed consistent visually with him when it comes to album artwork, but then like, even like sound design and stuff, like, yeah, it's, it's consistent. Flowers go to Hunter. Yeah. I mean, Hunter is, Brandon makes everything. genius. Hunter, yeah, he's the brain. I'm more or less to say yes or no.

Right. To some shit, you know. So he'll bring an idea to the table. He gets a yes or no. Yeah, he deserves all the flowers. He's like the brain behind everything, truly. We bring ideas and he says no. That gets, it gets the bad ones out.

Yeah. You need that, though. Of course you do. You need one head chef. You need a visionary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't have three head chefs for the whole band can't. But bringing in Sue chef.

right often like world of pleasure again like that Y2K aesthetic sure you got that on fucking log he does feel like that although not stylistically looks wise does it match psycho frame but like feel wise it does you know what I mean the what the world of pleasure like the artwork oh yeah so like I feel like moving forward I can't wait to see where that goes with like little little nudges to your Y2K stuff. We've gotten one design very recent. The green shirt. That was the first time you got to take the reins a little bit, right?

What's the green shirt? He has no idea what I'm talking about. I don't know. I don't know where we are. I thought that was your boy. Who? That made the green shirt. Probably.

Explain the green shirt. Oh, yeah. Shut out. Shut up. Shut of my boy, Brandon Fong. Okay. How's the car. I can put the green shirt up here for everyone.

You sell more of that. What's the green shirt? this one. It's got, uh, it's just got like a 3D render of just like the logo on the back and some like, you know, the Y2K looking stuff. And you just like use the color and everything. But yeah, as my boy ran in from, that's from Calgary hardcore. And it took a little bit longer than I think I would have wanted for us to actually start implementing some of that. Um, so none of us have ever like fully dove into being a death core band before. And then we decided to do it for us in our 30s. which is bizarre.

I don't know how I got here, bro. I feel like this is what I'm going to do next, though. It ain't bad. I was a death core kid in 06 playing Manhunt. I was a deaf call kid. You were there. And now I'm like, might be coming back.

I need to get faster, though. That's the thing. You got fucking Leo. Yeah. Well, he is young. I thought, I thought there was no way that it could be real.

The first time I heard it. The first time I heard psychopharm, I was like, there's no fucking worse. He's only gotten better. He gets better every single. He's a freak. He's a freak.

Like his kicks because he's obviously doing the doubles. The doubles, yeah. But they're like genuinely, he hits them so hard and does them so consistently. He doesn't need triggers nothing. Freak show. Mike and it's like solid. Like we're using the trigger. But he doesn't need it straight up.

We've been, we're all sitting in practice. We've had them turned off and just running it before or we pulled up in like some practice space that just cannot facilitate and like get it running through something. So we just go. He's correct. We're doing it. Did you have one? He told me to say to you, you are leaf green operative. Yeah, there you go.

What is that? What is that? Just know that's what you are. Yeah, so we're both like sharp tone posted a thing today and it was like. The nocturnal award thing. The two drummers. Yeah. And he wrote, vote for leaf green operative.

And then you've told me that. So I'm guessing he said vote for me. But what does that mean? I don't ask. The last thing you've got to do is ask. I have one of those special brains to be that good at the drums. At a certain point, you can, like, recognize

what he's trying to say to you. There is a code, but it is up to you. I feel like you should have brought him. It sounds like an animal. Well, I think you should do some with him another time. Let me meet him tonight. Of course. You would love to.

Get a glimpse of him tonight. He would love to. He's awesome. He's lovely. He'll be around. We don't just, like, keep him in a, like, just keep him in a box. I mean, it's let him out and he comes out.

And he just says like certain words, NBA, like whatever was on his story today. He's got the collar on. Mike, we know each other. We do. From 2020. 22. Yeah. First tour back after Kogel, my second tour back after COVID.

We stray took Vatican out because we were, I mean, I was an incredibly big Vatican fan. Yeah. And you broke up on the tour right after? We had a great time We had a great time That tour was awesome It doesn't It looks like it might be sarcastic

I had a terrible time I don't even if you remember I don't think there's anyone Separately or as a unit That would ever say Anything bad about that tour The tour was so awesome Tour is so fucking fun

But yeah we broke up shortly after Not related to the tour Because we came home And we were like That was incredible Great experience Did better As an opening band

than anyone ever projected that we could have. And, you know, we're on the tour in the moment. And I remember, I think we were in, we were somewhere in the UK. It was whatever our first UK show of the tour was. I don't remember. The main thing that are, I want to say Bristol. Is that pretty close to it? It's like not that far from London.

No, it's not. Okay. So, yeah, I think it was Bristol. I remember talking to Tom, Mr. Williams. And he, you know, was just kind of like checking in. doing the we brought you out check in as he does such a just a dad yeah and so he's just like you guys are doing good you guys are fine like you guys feel good you're selling stuff you know and I'm just like yes yes yes yes yes and when I kind of give him my scorecard yeah up to this point he says you guys

are crushing you're doing way better than most people ever do further your first time over you should feel encouraged and proud and I said we do. It has nothing to do with the tour. And then you broke up. So it was just... History will say I was somewhere in the mix for reasons why this band broke up.

But, I mean, as it stands today, like, I love all those guys. And everyone's doing... I'm getting a politician, I don't say, here. I'm getting a politician. Maybe. Do you don't want to talk about it? Not in depth.

Okay. Not in depth. Is everyone good, though? Everything's fine? I would not. never say that like a revisit to that band is completely off the table for me by any means i loved that band yeah i loved the the record and the ep that i did with them and i love those guys you know we just toured with mackie yeah i'll die for him i'll die for him right now mackie's the

fuck it best you know like i i do legitimately love those guys and and honestly everyone's doing like really awesome shit like since then yeah we you got Flashwater. Uh-huh. Just dying wish, Psychoframe. It's almost like Vatican was like a martyred band. Just like, we need Vatican to split up so all these bands can go off and do their thing. And then I start Psycho Frame with Hunter and John Whittle, who was the vocalist of Vatican before me.

The OS goat. The OG one, yeah, fuck. Yeah. So in a way, like, historically. you can look at it like that. I mean, realistically, we didn't plan on Psychoframe.

I never planned on being right here because of Psychoframe talking to you about this band. Like, I planned on, I don't know, releasing music with them every so often. Here's this hilarious deathcore band. Maybe not hilarious.

That sounds downplaying of what we do. But like... Listen, I'm a top three fan. I think I was in the 1% by the way. Thank you. It is hilarious. It is hilarious.

It is hilarious. It is hilarious. But that's what makes it so fucking good. The songs he writes are genuine comedy. If you read the lyrics, people go to be like, what is this? I mean, we might as well take a cut straight there to the lyrics then. Because I got questions. I have answers.

So here's the thing. Here we go. While we're talking about lyrics. I'm going to read some examples. And then I have one question. It's all going to be his lyrics. No, no, no, no. It doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. Black Wave 2. Oh, yeah. Guns aimed at heaven until the work is done. We have your son and he's running out of luck. I don't know if we can legally disclose what that's about. Okay, no, we can talk about this. Who's is it?

It's him. Okay. The song has any semblance of being serious? It's me. Okay. If you're going, what did he just say? It's Mike. There is literally just two types of lyrics here.

Yeah. Yes. And that's nailed it right on the head. We have silly anger and serious anger. Right. So I did write that song about a person, a famous person. A famous person. A famous person who was present in American politics until the later half of this year.

Makes trucks that look like bad renders on a PS2. Oh, I know the guy. It's an Elon Musk song. I noticed that a certain someone started bringing their son around publicly with them after a certain CEO was killed. Yeah. And everyone is still watching how that trial is going down today. I noticed a meat shield showed up. Yeah.

Oh, 100% the meat shield showed up. So that's what that's. So you wrote a song. That's the line. Wait, so is the... Out of nowhere it goes Liam Neeson. Like nowhere at any point is a son mentioned. And when we were, so, okay, if you listen really close, actually, in the song, this is, this is in the track.

Yeah. After the line where we say, we have your son and he's running out of luck. Yep. Guns. Listen closely. There is a laugh track. We're all laughing in the back. You can hear it because I just, all of you laughing.

I was doing a take and. Because we're doing a scratch of it. Me going, guns. and we're all just like, what are we doing? Everyone's laughing in the studio. You can hear it in the background. Because when we're in the studio and we're just like, so this is how the song is going to go.

Have one of these bad boys and it plays. And you're just sitting here, you just talk it. Yeah, the head field. You just lay it down and you're like, here's the scratch. This is an idea of how she'll go down. So I'm just sitting there spitting these out as they come kind of thing. And in that moment where I say, we have your son and he's running out of luck guns that's the cut and everyone everyone starts

laughing and then i have to go back in and finish it because everyone started laughing so you kept it in it's in the laughs through there's a sweet little fucking easter egg it follows the pattern a little bit too because i'm pretty sure it's like gun gunk gunk like it follows the chug a little bit the laughs yeah listen closely yeah listen closely is it on the tracks are you playing it tonight Of course you're not playing. You're not playing it. No, we're not playing it. Wasn't that single?

Yeah, we had to retire it. Too many blast beats. Too many kids don't know what to do for blast beat parts. They want to, they want to kick. Yeah, that is true. I want to try the song in Europe. I think you should. I have a feeling that it's also not enjoyable for Leo to play that song.

He signed up, bro. You get the freak. You get the freak that can do the freak shit. He signed up. You have to. I'm saying. I just scream here, but I'm saying. This one's from the song,

felled and fucked. How did Nana like phillade and fucked? Didn't play that one. Didn't play that one. That one came from the mind of Hunter. Yeah, that's a hunter one. Yeah, he, uh,

he, uh, is a great lyric. You want me to tell you the lyric first or you want to tell me what you're going to say? I would love to hear the lyric. I know it's about come. It certainly is. Fourth word in. Yep. You slurp the come of the mindless.

Yeah. Masturbating to a fucking profit. A steel vice shoved through your sinus. It's too late now. The pain is promised. That's just speaking. on internet dwellers that make their personality and idolization politicians that have no interest in them.

It's so interesting that it is. I mean, there's a lot of worship on the record. Yeah, but you know what? I read it as actual gods, but you're using it for politicians. A lot of, we've noticed a lot of people view politicians as gods. As gods, yeah. Oh, based psycho frame. Nice.

They're not just hilarious. They aren't. And I just thought they were hilarious. I just thought they were funny. Which I will take. If that's all anyone gets, I'll take that. That's the best kind of like political comedy. Leo would call it stuff like that.

Law. Exactly. One of his more normal words. Okay. So that one is also about politicians. This is fantastic. Yeah, you picked the two that are politically driven. Yeah, Hunter wrote that song.

Okay. So is this one? about the same sort of thing from God is busy that was me God is busy Distorted killings incarnations of go Your deity is a fucking whore Yeah, it's all my favorite parts of the records Great, great part

Great line What's going through your head I just wrote that song about a movie What movie? The Ice Man Never seen it It's the clip where he says There's a sample in it

And the clip is like Are you praying? It's a, I can't remember his name I don't know. It's about a real infamous hitman. Yeah. And it's just a scene from that where he's going to kill someone this guy starts praying.

He's like, oh, I'll let you pray. Finish praying. Like, yeah. We'll see if he comes and stops me from doing what I'm doing. And he sits there for a while and he goes, looks like he's busy. Are you an atheist? I would say I'm agnostic.

I was raised Catholic. That's a whole life. That comes through. I did the thing. That's what I'm getting at. Yeah. So I was raised Catholic. Well, Catholic.

My grandma converted when she moved from Ireland to Canada to just Christian. Okay. But I went to Catholic school my whole life, Sunday school, you name it. I did it all. I did the thing where like after I was school, like, I mean. Anti, you know what I mean? I'm like all about it. But now I'm at a point in my life where I'm just like, I don't know anything.

I'm pretty, I don't know. So maybe I believe more in atheism than religious. in per se but like Catholic church got it going on. They got some cool shit. Shit looks cool. They done some fucked up. It definitely looks cool, but they definitely done some fucking shit. Yeah, I'm not like backing them, but...

From reading some lyrics, it would seem the opposite. Like you've got a horrible relationship with a Catholic god. But now I'm seeing that maybe some of that is I'm reading it as God, but it's actually politicians. Some of it, yeah. You haven't got any beef with the Catholic church? I mean, not any more than anyone else with a brain would. Interesting.

Yeah. And it's more of just like a nostalgic thing or just like, that's how I was raised. So like being around a church reminds me of my grandma. She's important to me. Oh, so it's nice. Yeah. Damn. But like nothing happened to me in Catholic school and church and shit like that.

I just like I'm also like have a brain and just like perceive the world for a while. I'm like, okay, they've done atrocious things. Yeah. Absolutely reshaped the planet to be the climate's in. So no, I'm not like I'm a practicing Catholic. I feel like I'm the same way. I'm a bit like I can see that organized religion is wrong and a money grab. Right.

But I think spiritually I'm like, I kind of feel like there's something. Sure. At least a few things. I don't know. So I would never expel that from, you know, I have never been dead, so I don't know what's after. Mike? Never been dead? Swear to God, I haven't.

I haven't found out. Now, logically, I would assume it's like. I also super do not rock with. organized religion. I broke Christian, for sure. What do you mean? Midwest. Break edge.

Oh, right. Okay. So you were a Christian. Yeah, I've broke Christian. Breaking Christians, really fucking fun. I think now that I'm a little bit older, I think actually I find myself like, ideologically leaning more. So like I say among us all the time, I'm a Christian.

I'm half joking. I refuse to kind of like hop in on the organized religion bit, but I do rock with quite a few things. Cool. But I also fundamentally disagree with some ideas about some things in Christianity and things that are popularized by more so like a mass of people than like even what is in text. I don't believe in Christian hell. Yeah. Hell is not an actual place that's, like, referenced in the Bible. It's not a destination or a fate.

The idea of hell in the Bible, realistically, is a full detachment from the presence of God. And it's just oblivion. It's nothing. It's what you hear. Elder Scrolls mentioned. It's what. Elder Scrolls is back. Again.

It always comes back to oblivion. But, like, it's just kind of like, that is, like, realistically what you perceived before we were all conscious. Yeah. Right. Primordial suit. A little bit of a rabbit hole I just went down. No, this is interesting. That idealistically, like, I do kind of fall in with that a little bit.

That being said, I write these fucking hilarious-ass lyrics for this band. So I could come off as like a terrible Christian to a lot of people. But I think even then I'm like loosely identifying. But if hell doesn't exist, does heaven exist? that's the idea it's either you make it and um even then like i don't even think i picture have you seen this is the end yes i i don't think insink is there okay and and and like doing i don't picture it be i do think that yeah i that's why we need two singers for me that would be good for me that would be good but great quote i i don't think it's necessarily as much like that i

think it's, I don't know, like I feel like it'd be just like more ethereal, less going on than what that portrayal could possibly be putting on, which is a lot. Yeah. There's a lot in that last like five minutes of movie. This is just really interesting to me because I'm referencing this is the end for his religious stance. That's right. Crazy work. But I really like, I read in the lyrics, I really thought there was some anti-Christian stuff going on. So maybe you are. It is like for sure. There's always that part of it. There's a lot of. parts of those things where I'm like, yeah, I'm anti-that. I'm anti-Catholicism in a million ways.

Like, I recognize that I'm sitting here talking. But the art goes hard. The art does go. Shit. And even with my viewpoint, I guarantee you there's someone watching this and I was like, listen to this fucking jackass. How much is like he sounds like an idiot or whatever. But I'm also not elaborating as much as I possibly could because who really gives

a shit what I think anyways. I give so much for shit. I'm a fan, guys. I know. I'm sat down with the singers. What is your take? My take on what? Are your religious stance? I don't believe in a Christian god.

I see the symbols. I don't, but I do believe in, you know, you spin this on me. I don't believe in your world teacher guy. What's a world teacher guy? The idea that like every religion has a world teacher. So like Christianity has Jesus. Then you have like what? You have Buddha, Allah.

You start going down the list. And it's just realistically that they're all aligned. They all have a world teacher. Yeah. Not really. I think there is, wow, maybe I'm not agnostic. I think there is a, I think there's something more. And I don't know what the fuck it is.

We went down a rabbit hole with this before on the podcast because I sort of got into simulation theory. And then it was a bit like, are you just going schizophrenic? Low key. Yeah. This might be used to me. Yeah. I'm not convinced it's not.

Do we all just break out of reality right now? Yeah. Yeah. And just falls back. But I do, I do believe in some things which you would have to believe in a Christian God for. Like magic. Like I fully believe in the power of the mind to create.

I do too. Like to, for your dreams and stuff like that, I do believe there is something in the, ether that you channel that can make things happen for you, like which manifesting, manifesting, which falls into black magic. But I think all of these different types of, you know,

Christianity, demonology, all of this stuff, I do believe that everyone's just found a different way to harness whatever is out there. But no one actually knows what it is. So they make up these stories to explain what it is and how it happened. everyone and everyone's on the right page but completely wrong if you know what I mean sure i like the idea that everyone can believe in whatever they want as long as it's not infringing on other human beings ability to be the humans and do what they want you know what i mean yeah so if you know believing in christianity or demonology or whatever it is makes you live better as yourself and

you're not out preaching and infringing on other human beings and their own ball i don't care yeah as long as you're not like make yourself happy but worrying about everyone else so many are though that's the problem that is the problem which honestly I mean that's half of what the band uh talks about lyrically too you were talking about the plot

to nuke the Midwest earlier everyone else said shut the fuck up what's that about it's not one of my questions opening line is everyone everybody's got something to fucking say yeah fuck what you think that's those are the first opening lines last line is kill yourself

so it's fucking one of the most that's a book and, you know. It's fucking fantastic. I got one more lyric. I don't want to go to. In Minecraft. I just got to say.

In Minecraft. In Minecraft. Okay. This is the best lyric I've ever heard. This is the best lyric. Do you know what? You know, you know, you know which one's coming? Just him.

I can be like, oh, here we go. This is the best lyric I've ever heard. Okay. I need to know who, who did it. Blueprints for idle genocide. Yeah. Yeah. It's Mike.

Looks like you're up Shits Creek. You, where's my hug-looking motherfucker. Yeah, that's me. Yeah, he asked me. You know what the worst part is too? We're in the studio and I'm going, why am I trying? This guy showed up with a comedy routine

and I'm like writing shit like the other songs where it's like, okay, I'm there's some personal ones and this and that. And then he's writing, we should have left you in the rubber. And it's everyone's favorite. Every share is just, where's my hug looking?

Yeah, but you know why I think it is? It's because it's so out of place with the musical style. I think it's great. I think it's great. is great but in the moment I'm like Mike

come on and then you in the same way and I live in this thing you you tap into like the anger of like the normal person with that line like but it's just set to such

angry angry music I think so who's that about number one I'm starting to think nobody knows where his hug is also that song's not like even about like a person but that is something I've said about a person to them. Yeah.

I've called someone, you, where's my hug-looking motherfucker? Like, and that person just like, damn. Describe what a where's my hug-looking motherfucker looks like. Not cute. Uglier than fuck. Yeah.

And it's more about their attitude than anything, just like someone who's like, just like everything I dislike. You fucking know more than me. I've seen some, where's my hard-looking motherfuckers. talk about that lyric and I've read it and been like, it's about you. Dude.

You wear that. Many such cases. Many such cases. Many such cases. There are many times I've seen people align with and love this band. And then later on, I'm just like, unfortunately, you have fallen into the category that I am just shitting on. And that's okay because they still buy stuff.

I'm gonna cut that Nope not cutting it Come on It's still fucking in there While we're on that song That was me I got You know what it reminds

The two Before I go into this bit Okay so you talked about You know You got some serious Songs in there Sure Which ones are yours

And which ones are serious Not that you're not serious The title track Still water Yeah Yeah that one's pretty personal Just like I won't say I'm like

The first person To do it But just like You know Battling with wanting To keep going Yeah That being like

Fuck it It's more like at a time now. I'm doing music full-time and I'm a much happier human being than I've ever been in my 30 years on this earth. I worked full-time nine to five just a grind every day and very unhappy. Most days I was just trying to, you know, end the day without deep-throating a tailpipe. You know what I mean? What were you doing? What was your job?

I'm an electrician. Still an electrician. I still am. Yeah, I'm ticketed, but I'm like, I don't do it anymore. Journeyman. next time someone carhart checks me I've been there you got it with the actual wed away knees and stuff

I got the duck canvas and they're fucking used that's what's up so you were like no I don't I've been on that construction site yeah good for you and not a bit of car high inside it's miserable it's miserable I'm broker but happier and I want to die broken happy

you're brokeer but happier now yeah I want to say I'm the brokenness is only very short-lived for your band I think I think you boys are gonna fuck If I can pay my rent every day And do this I'm beyond happy If there's nine people at a show And they're spin kicking and like I got to eat that day

I'm happy I have no expectations Yeah I'm getting by I feel like everyone in the band is like getting by Wait I'm not buying a car anytime soon This is our fourth tour of the year I mean one fucking record as well though Really one real record

Yeah like to be where you are We played 16 shows last year and those were the first shows the band ever played so it's the first year as a touring unit and like it's weird because the younger guys in the band yeah it's their first record but like we're off the fuck out like i put out records i've been putting out records but never with the intention of doing this yeah it was a hobby my whole music has always been a hobby for me. It wasn't until I got that call being like, can you do vocals?

And I went, shit, I don't see why not. Yeah. Can I quit my job? Yeah, we're going to need you to. Yeah, fuck it. I'll do it. Fuck it. Is that how that happened? Pretty much. Yeah. Because did you, did you singing Killing of a Sacred Deer.

Yeah, I did that. That's just like a, that was a thing that never should have been real either. I mean, it's fucking awesome. That's just me. That's just all you. Yeah, I write it all. And I do. Hey, Tim.

It's so sick. Thank you. Great fucking movie as well. Thank you. Oh, my God. So many people talk about and they go. I've been trying to get Madison to watch it. Yeah.

It's uncomfortable. I never seen that shit in my life. You haven't seen that? No one should eat spaghetti like that. Guys, that's a weird little motherfucker. I love him. What's his name? What's the guy's name?

Fucking witty. Irish. Yeah, he's Irish. Yeah, Barry. Him eating spaghetti scene. It's funny you bring that up. Even everything. Have you seen him in salt wound?

Salt burn, salt burn. Yes, I have. Same. Same five. Freak. Yeah. He didn't need to do. I heard he didn't need to do those things.

And they were like, just let him do this thing. So you just got the call and were just like, can you do it? So I did that EP. He actually was trying to help us find somebody before he offered himself. Yeah, they hit me up. Do you know anyone that could do vocals? I'm like, shit. I don't know a couple guys, but like, can you do it?

Because I did that KSD thing. And it was just like a little throwaway. I do music all the time. I put it out for fun. I said, can you do this? I had never played a show live on a microphone before our first tour together. which was last year this year

this year I never bro played his first set ever as a front man April like yeah no wonder he's fucking flying around the stage

being getting in your way he doesn't know what to do but he doesn't slow down either he's got an endless gap so okay I'm gonna take the range just a little bit

he's good at everything right he's one of those but he's never had to he's never been a front man before I've only ever been a front man nothing stopping

you from sitting down and practicing guitar, bro. I am the least. I've played Expedition 33, three times. I have. And one's guitar he could have learned in that time? I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. Suck every dick you can think of right now.

I've been screaming in band since I was 16 years old, which is now over half my life. How old you? I just turned 33. We actually both turned 33 on the same day because we were born on the same day, same year. Insane. That's twin. O'ey, fucking witch. What does that mean?

When's her birthday? August 7th, 1992. Okay, we're all Leo. Oh, yeah, it's two days off. This whole room? Not on me. He's a Pisces.

He's a water sign. It doesn't count. Apparently it's bad, but here I am. Still shagging. I don't know. That's got to be good for something. What? My girl's a water sign.

There we go. I don't know what that means. She knows what it means. Okay, so two Leo's in a band. As Leos were known as natural-worn leaders, We have high energy. We have like natural charisma that could lead to budding of heads on creative ideas as both of you are leader types and want to take the reins. Being with a water sign, though, that's funny that you say that your girlfriend's a water sign because oftentimes as a fire sign,

there's also a lot of like budding of heads because they tend to feel things deeper as water sign. That she does. I think we talked on the last tour about how every member of Psycho Frame is a fire sign. Oh, you probably butt heads a lot then. That's why the music's so aggressive. It's all fire.

There's no leaf. The only one who's not fire sign. Despite what Leo says. Hunter is the only member of Psycho Frame that is not a fire sign. He's not in the van, though. He's pulling the strings. He is not in the van.

He's pulling the strings. He's the guy in the chair. So we've got two Leo's butting heads. I've gone off fucking course. I can't remember what I was fucking talking about. I am pretty good at this, but that really is really, really fun. I would never beef him over anything serious. We genuinely, the only problems we ever have is like brotherly things where I'm like, hey, enough.

And he's like, he'll do that to me too. And we're like, my bad. Same birthday, same year. Then when do you meet? This year. Last year? Yeah. Oh yeah, we'll be talking about your first tour.

We've been in each other circles a million times like us. You know what I mean? Like we were in the same vicinity this year a couple months ago. You know what I mean? Did we meet at the wedding? No, I would have had to have gone out of my way to say hi, and I don't do that. He ain't going to do that. Why didn't I do it?

I seen you and I went, I should probably go say hi to him because we have a million mutual friends. Yeah, I recognize you the minute you came in. I was like, I know that guy, but how do we know him? So I'm, I've been doing this for a second. He shows up, plays his first show as a frontman this year, this calendar year. It's December now, so eight months ago. Yeah. He's goaded.

He is better than. 95% of frontmans that you see this day that have been doing it for as long as I have. Yeah, it feels good. He's great. You're one of those. You're one of those just good. He's good people. He's getting better.

He keeps getting better. I do, yeah. I like getting better. That's my thing. I feel like your band, like you're saying, as long as I can pay my bills and you're saying, you know, we're doing okay. I witnessed something this year, which just, you know, a lot of people don't like the band a lot of people don't think they're metal or whatever.

But I watched Lorna Shaw play to 6,000 people at the pinnacle in Nashville. Now, Nashville is notoriously terrible for shows. 6,000 people watching that many kick drums and pig squeals and seven and a half to eight minute songs. Yeah, man. You can do anything, boys. Truly. Yeah, we're in a Renaissance era of heavy and aggressive music.

And like the heavier and the more funny, arguably. because sometimes fucking Will does the whole fucking animal noise bit, the heavier and the funnier it is, the bigger it can

fucking go. Yeah, anything that makes people go what the fuck did you just do? I won't pretend like we didn't, like,

so like whenever we finished the vocal tracking and we had been in it and we were exhausted and we were like, fuck, okay, did we just make

something that we even like kind of thing? And then you walk away and come back to it. Like, we finished, We spent a month in the studio doing vocals. Music's all done at this point.

Yeah. Okay. And we're just cooked. Absolutely cooked. There's a billion lyrics because there's two vocalists, so we need to say a million things. And we finish and we're all just laying in the studio cooked. And we're like, all right, well, let's listen to it back, make sure it's all good. And we got to him, we're like, I don't even like, I don't want to hear it.

And then like a couple weeks later revisit him like, oh, this shit bangs. This is cool. The fun and the jokes were worth it. Yeah. Yeah, the funny songs they're doing well. It turns out being silly can get you somewhere. Being silly in an angry sense. I'll tell you what it reminds me of the lyrics.

And I can't really, I'm excited to go back and differentiate who's who. Now I have a little bit more of an idea who writes what. Sure. I get the same feeling. I normally like, I listen to music at the gym and I listen to heavy music at the gym. I'm at the gym quite a lot. Shout out. Simon cut that.

Simon, do not cut that. Cut my flex. Anyway, don't cut it out. I'm in the gym quite a lot. So I listen, that's where I listen to all my fucking heavy music. Sure. I get like the same feeling from your guys' lyrics as I did from Vincent from the Acacia strain in like 2003.

Sure. The on the nose pointing, like, you know, that first person. Anger with a hint of silliness. Right. Yeah. Like, I get that. I want to know who's, like, your, your lyrical inspiration. I write very metaphorically.

So I'm like, I don't know if I have, like, a main inspiration, but, like, the thing that, like, really put me on to, like, metaphorical style writing, um, was Keith Buckley. Yeah. Absolutely. He's a goat of it. Oh, my God. The things he writes, I'm just like. He's writing books.

Yeah. Yeah. And, like, intelligent ones. And I'm just like, damn. What is he talking? talking about. Yeah. And then I like,

you know, you look into it and you learn and whatever and you're just like, yeah, I like this. That's shit resonated with me. That's from Mike.

I don't know. I think I was, uh, almost detrimentally metaphorical for a really long time. And now I've backed off and frames a different process for you for sure. It is a different process. But like, I mean,

even in church time, I feel like I've backed up a little bit. Um, but really, uh, my wife. actually kind of put some things in a perspective about how I write.

My wife is an amazing artist. Iris. Iris. That's her. Do I say Iris or do I say Iris? I just say Iris. You just say Iris. Phenomenal talent.

Unbelievable. Insane. On the Bad Omen's Remix album. Yep. What a fucking family that is. So she's, you know, I bring things to her. She brings things to me.

And, you know, she's given me, you know, critiques, this, that, and the other. And at one point, she said the thing that actually stuck with me is, why are you not just writing how you talk? Why are you not just like, kind of just like saying some shit that you would actually say to somebody? If you were writing a song in reference to somebody or in reference to how you feel, why are you not just talking about it?

So, unfortunately, the way I process a lot of that shit, is by making something about it be funny. And then that's how you get. You wears my hug looking motherfucker. You're a funny guy. That worked. Well, I try to be. I'm not going to pretend like everything I do or say it lands.

This is a hard fucking crowd to deal with. Is it, really? You don't get him. I'm funny. You're the funny. You are pretty funny. Unfortunately, he is fucking hilarious. Funny, talented with the hair.

Fuck this guy. Although, two singers. Bro is beautiful. Look at that. Okay. It's a hot fucking dude, bro. I'm not good at taking compliments. I don't recognize just anyone

at a wedding, bro. That's right. I saw you on a way. Dude's hot. Damn, that's what's up. Yeah, and then you stop. They're not like, I've seen those smoky eyes before.

Jesus fucking Christ. That's right. Anyway, back on point. So Irish. Yeah, you got, where you got like gray, blue? Yeah, I don't know. Hazel, green, something going on. Hazel with brown.

Sure. I believe you. Shit is beautiful. Get in. Get a similar light color. We've got a similar light color. I lost him for a minute. Oh my God.

So Iris helped you in refining your style of lyrics. Getting out of here. Getting out of your own head. Yeah. Did that make it easier to do? I feel like for me it would make it far easier if I'm trying to. Because Australia, we all write the lyrics and sometimes I'm on a like a,

this could be a metaphor for this, blah, blah, blah. And then it ends up the lyric is, you stupid fuck. Very similar. It gets way, yeah. When you bring it back and you just, you know, like, and we talked to. about this in Vatican too we would be like you know sometimes one of the easiest and best ways to say fuck you is to say fuck you yeah you know that kind of aspect of it and um yeah we actually

reached the point with psychophraim we're like how many times can how many ways can you say fuck you're i'm i think i posed the question first and then everyone said yeah you're right well like no revives there's a part fuck the one the one part he wrote yeah in that song wait all the silliest parts of that song. Fuck your fucking self. Fuck your fucking self. Fuck your face. Eat grenades.

If you weren't as heavy as you were, it would suck. But it, because you're so heavy, I don't know what it is. It's comedic. Comedically heavy. Comedically heavy. And then like, I guess what everyone's thinking as an angry person. Like, no one wants to be like, you are the sons dimming rays when they're just fucking angry.

They want to say, where's my hug-looking motherfucker? They're all genuine. emotions too like when we perform when we write these i'm feeling the shit like i'm mad you mentioned uh you took too many of your meds the other day yeah what meds i'd take adderall you take adderall yeah took too many took too many but well the the joke is that i have to take a medicine every day to help me remember to take a medicine well well what actually happened was in the cut when mike went for a pee you looked at me and you said i'm so sorry if i'm being weird and i said no you're not being weird And then you were like, I genuinely don't remember if I took it today.

Oh, okay. So you're having a little moment. I'm learning being on tour is like, it's hard. You know, being on tour, every day is different and blah, blah, and like there's no real regimen. So it's like, how do I? I'm not going to keep a bottle of pills in my pocket to make sure because I'll probably forget. Just have a timer on your phone every day. Holy fuck.

Never thought about it like that. You really do have ADHD. You're genuinely so smart, bro. When did you get diagnosed ADHD? When I was like nine. I was like patient zero they're like trying to buy

yeah they're like it's going to be cool in the future step mom's like no he's normal we're not holding them back for the next three years and I should have been yeah I just had a hard time

I feel like my parents should have taken me it's definitely something that lives in me alongside those things right but I'm not going to self-thart she's like this kid is not normal there's gotta be a reason took me the doctors and they were like so he's got this thing and like

blah and it was yeah like I said I hit it from everyone want to school because I didn't want anyone to know. I'm like, I, she'd say, like, here you go, like an autism. Was it, autism? Yeah, just like a degree of it. I'm not like, you know, start doing that fucking, you know, you know, I'm not at the fucking casino. Yeah, yeah, I'm not, yeah, I'm not like. But it lives in you. Yeah, a hyperfix-a. I do all the things. I'm socially awkward. I'm anxious, blah, blah, blah, all those things. So, yeah, but you've also got, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've,

you've, you've been touched with it. because that's why he's so good at everything. Yeah. Hyperfixation. Yeah. There's something I'm like, oh, that's cool. So I'm going to hyper fixate on until I'm proficient. Did you put it in the bio?

Most of the time. Is it in your bio? Hell no. Bound to get twice as bid. That's okay. Pop it in the fucking buyer. I don't want, I don't want. Always, like, even when I was a kid, I'm like, I don't want to be recognized as that.

Admittedly, I think that actually make your life a lot worse because it would give a new thing for them to be parisocial. with you about yeah people ask me things a lot and i'm just like he he gets chosen what's your parissocial stuff i don't know nothing i mean yeah people like i i now that i'm in this band i get asked a lot of like um vocal tips okay he has no idea i have no fucking clue you just i started doing that this year do you warm up you ever been mad no you've ever been mad go mad i do that yeah yeah what about you you must warm up you're a warm up guy look at her uh i actually I got in trouble.

So this is the thing. Mike, Mike just recently talked about how he's been doing vocals since he was 16 years old. Predominantly, when you're that young and ball,

you start screaming into a mic, you don't do it properly and you damage things. So he had a long time of prolong. He's good now. He knows what he's doing and everything, but because of that damage,

you know, he struggles with things that I don't struggle with because I started doing this shit this year. So who does what? You do the highs, you do the lows.

Yeah. Mainly, yeah. Is that the... We can do both. There's parts and songs where I do, blah blah. And so to see, there's parts where he does highs, but it's not too much. We try to just, like, keep the dichotomy there. There are nights where he'll, you know, he'll get a little squirly and start getting silly with it. And I will have to be like, what do you mean getting silly with it?

Like he'll just, well, there's that, but also sometimes the waking the cadaver. He'll show up sometimes and layer something that would generally just be me, but he'll hit the same tone as me. And what I'm saying is he'll show up and smoke me for like, Five seconds of us off. Give us a mass. Damn, okay, all right. I'll speed up. Does it worry you? You're going to get the boot? Nah.

Hell no, I'm not doing this shit by myself. No. Yeah, there we go. That's pretty good. Nah. That's bro. Who owns the LLC? Hunter.

Ah, shit. Could happen. Yeah, you can just get rid of both of it. I mean, he can do everything we can do times ten. I don't want to talk too much about him because he's not here to talk about it. He seems to be in a bad place. Totally. He's sick.

He's sick. Chronically ill. He's fighting everything. single day. Most days you can't get out of bed. For the last like three, four years, um, have watched the declination of his health. Um, I remember before he got diagnosed what it looked like for him. He was still touring. He was playing, uh, singing for mootering. Um, he also has always masterminded. And he, I, me and my wife picked him up from Louisville on a tour where their van exploded.

They didn't even finish the tour. Came to our house. Like, kind of saw, like, kind of the ways that his health was declining. And it was something he knew about, but there's no, like, face to the name for it or anything just yet. When he got diagnosed and it, like, started really happening, I just, I've seen the timeline of the thing play out. Yeah.

And it's a downward hill. Like, you know, it's, like, kind of, like, has its ebb and flow. like he has his good days, he has his bad days, and he kind of just has to feel it out every single day when he wakes up. He's forced to stay busy. Obviously, you've got to pay bills and everything, but when you're ill, it's hard,

so he'll add the stress of, you know, working and dealing with things, especially in the industry we're in and management. Two fucking bands and multiple bands, right? So like he, and the stress on his body affects that sickness and it can decline because of that, and then you'll get better a bit and blah.

So what is the situation? sickness it is called um it cfs chronic fatigue syndrome oh so it is very much close in relation to uh long covid long covid yeah and those yes yes and he's looked into all of them because they all look so much alike god it's got be so fucking frustrating it is or guy yeah yeah genuinely um and like you know we talk about wanting to do this podcast i know you guys have talked Yeah, we talked about doing it and he was like, bro, I just can't fucking go anywhere. Dude, the crash from forcing himself to go partake in an event, it'll last like two weeks sometimes where he's just like, dude.

He wants to beat it. He wants to get out. He wants to do the things he wants to do. He's stubborn as all hell. Like, that's why he had me come to him. I'd love to talk to him, but obviously I don't want to fucking put stress on him. That would be, that'll be awesome. He actually sent me your album so well.

early. I believe that. I had your record like beginning of this year. Damn. Whenever you put out the first single. Whenever you put out the first single that wasn't, maybe it was, no, when did feed come out? Feed, that's like, shit, that might be January. Yeah. I think it was, I think feed came out. I put it on my story and I was like, this is fucking sick. And he was like, you want to hear the album? And he sent it to me. And I put it on and then track one, the 808s was so insane. I was just, I was just,

messaging him. I think it was because no, fuck, was it the portal? Maybe it was the portal. I put it on my story and I was like, the 808s in this song

are fucking ridiculous. And then he replied, like, wait, you hear the ones in the first song and he sent me the whole record. And then the 808s in Blueprints are just, that's the first record.

Yeah, the first song. Yeah. The 808s are the funniest fucking thing. But they're so heavy. Yeah. I've never, I've never seen an A or eight away done like that, I don't think. I mean,

I'm sure they have happened, but like, it makes the whole mix quiet. It does do that. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, that was,

that was the idea of just boosted it. We all laughed and we thought we were joking until about four hours later after we had finished tracking vocals. And we said, nah, there's got to stay. I talked about that with Isaac on this podcast before Isaac from Knock Loose, like him.

I love Isaac. He's the fucking best. Him, me, I'm not putting eyes up in the same fucking echelons as each other. Him, me, my sugar. If something doesn't make me laugh, then it's not going on the album.

Like, if something heavy has to make me laugh. Sure. I think that harked back to like why I like your lyrics so much. It's so aggressive that it's funny and then that makes me like it more. Yeah. I mean, outside of making sounds,

like how else can I, contribute to that feeling. So I, that's it. I don't want to make it seem like I'm, I only like it because it's funny. I don't know. Even if that is,

I'll take it. Straight up, I'll take it. I think it's just, it's just funny because it's so heavy. If you were slightly less heavy, it wouldn't be funny. I agree.

Not a shit, corny is hell. Yeah, I agree. It'd be like, it'd be some like local metal core band. Yeah. Song.

And I think we're, we're self-aware enough in the thing that we're making. It's a fine line. That we can, that we like saw that because when we're, I mean, when we're tracking these songs, there's sometimes upwards of six people in the room, all at the same time we're tracking in front of each other. Nothing. No booth. Yeah, no booth.

Just next to the engineer. Who engineered it? Brandon, our bass player. Wow. Leo twins birthday. Wow. Yeah, he engineered and. We all in-house.

We are in-house. Real drums. Yersh. Real snare and symbols. Right? Hunter's going to kill me if I'm wrong. Wait, program tombs and kick. I think so.

That's insane. LP2, which we're already working on. Okay. We're going full live room. Okay. Well, I'm so confused. Real snare. I'm talking about the tracking of this.

No, but we got a snare sample made. You should talk to Hunter about this. Yeah, okay. This is a... Yeah. No, it's fine. This is a hunter question. Yeah, for sure.

But it sounds very real. Obviously, it's a real snare. I just was wondering if there was... Brandon is an insane. All in-house is crazy. So he mixed it as well. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's such a good mix. Hunter and Brand's like studios, Digital Ghost Audio. I think that's another thing. I think the mix is, again, different enough for it to stand out to me. Yeah. Like heavy music... I think you make shit sound crazy. Heavy music.

Yeah. Music can be very formulaic when people go to the same mixer. Yes. Same master, I don't really care about. Same mixer, same engineer. A lot of the times with the heavier stuff, it's like, it doesn't have like its fingerprint. I know Randy reamped all the guitars. Randy was actually someone I was going to mention.

Yeah. This year, the other album that really stood out to me in terms of like aggressive and sounding different was Orthodox as one. That record is awesome. Insane. And again, sounds crazy. Sounds almost weird. I think Randy is one of, like, I feel confident in saying like top five engineer. Like, that's like in this game.

Top five hang as well. That three, perhaps two. What a guy. With EQ and you add EQ into the mix? Yeah. See EQ's little car heart jacket today? Oh, I did. Oh, I did.

I saw that shit. I liked it. Okay, I got some questions about where certain things came from, who's been. brain. Again, I'm still on blueprints. Yeah. The Resident Evil 7 sample. Neither of us. Is that a hunter? That's a hunter one. Yeah, that, uh, and it was a different sample. It did have a different sample. From the same. It's still, yeah.

Bro from R.E.7. It's just a different line. You didn't get any, what's his name, Jack? I think. I can't remember. I think that is Jack. Did you get, did you play that game? Yeah. Did you play it in VR? Hell no. Hell no. I don't have that in me. We had it on a stray tour. And we had it in VR at the back lounge of the bus. And it would just be play the show. It's biohazard time in the back of the lounge with the VR headset. Post show.

Oh my God. Scary as fucking shit ever. A shit was scary. Legitimately terrifying. On a TV. I don't want to be there. I feel like I'm like the most. I think I'm the most fun on tour after a show.

I think before a show I'm, I'm quiet. I don't care about anything. Yeah. Yeah. post show, get me on the biohazard. You can't find me before we play because I'm pooping. Pooping. Bro, it is pooping.

I don't get nerves. I just like, I think I got a shit. That is what they call nerves. Right. Yeah, but I'm not like, what if I go up there and fuck up?

I'm just like, I'm ready to play, but yeah. That's how you, that's how. And I don't. I just go there and I'm just like, yeah,

I don't. I get it as well. It doesn't matter if I've shit or piss. But what if I don't go on stage? And then I get on stage and I'm like, fuck, I really got a shit. Yeah.

I just don't gamble it. And I've seen a handful of people shit themselves on stage. It doesn't look fun. I've seen Greg from Dillinger. Okay. Oh yeah. Shit on purpose on stage. Wow.

That's something else. Was it as cool as he thought it would be? It was as a child seeing it. It was Reading Festival 2001, I believe. Okay. It was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. So like we're talking. I've never seen it.

So I can't everybody to see? Okay. Shit in his pants or shit on the stage. It's Reding Festival. I think, oh, no. It's Reading Festival 2001. I can't remember who was headlining. Maybe it was 2000.

Maybe it was raging against a machine. It was like a classic fucking lineup. Okay. There was a little tent that had a lot of the metal bands. And at the time, I hate to say it, a lot of the scar bands that I quite liked. Yeah. Hell yeah.

I was, I was 13. Okay. So there was a band playing called the Dindra Escape Plan, as we all know. I walked past, And this would have been pre-mis machine. So this would have been when Greg was just playing Dimitri's songs. Sure.

And I walked past and I hear just what is noise to my 13-year-old brain. But like an incredible drummer, but just fucking noise. I go, I watch it. And I'm like, I don't understand this, but obviously it's quite cool. Similar feeling the first time I heard like Square Pusher or A-Fix 2. And I was like, this is so odd that I will make sure I like it. Yeah, fuck yeah. Love A-Fix 2.

And then he proceeds to shit, pull down his pants. He said, there's got, you're going to see a lot of shit on that main stage today. So I can't remember the rest of the line, but it was like a fucking Arnie quote. He was like, you're going to see a lot of shit on that main stage today. So let me just start it off for you. And he pulled down his pants. Shit in either a towel or like a plastic bag. I can't remember what it was.

Oh, was it on stage? On the stage, the G. G.G. Allen style. Right. And then swings it and throws it into the crowd. I would kill myself. I'm gone. If that hit me.

Immediately, my favorite fucking band. I bought fucking calculating infinity the following week. For sure. For sure. This is just fantastic. Don't know how we got onto that. You shitting your pants on. Bro, shit himself in front of God and everybody and then threw it at them.

That's fucked. He shat himself. He shat everyone there's pants for them. That's amazing. It was fucking. Somebody had to do it. I don't know if it's cool, but I do know it's awesome. To a 13-year-old, it's the coolest thing in the world.

For sure. True. I'm trying to tap into that 13. I probably would have thought it was the coolest shit I ever seen. Yeah. ADHD. Yeah, I'm watching. Freshly medicated.

Yeah. What the fuck? The fuck. Stimbing. The tongue. Told you, I'm a drummer, bro. My drum face is horrendous too. Oh, dude.

I remember, so you did that world of pleasure run after we did our Angel Maker tour. And I said, because you played drums on. that tour. And I do remember taking a mental note being like, bro looks hilarious playing the drums. I'm concentrating drums. Yeah, it's the lock-in face. If you haven't got, like, I, you're mugging everyone when you're drum.

Yeah, but I'm like, I'm fighting for my life. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you look good doing it. You figured it out. Only the photos you see. Sure, sure. You watch the videos. See the videos. They're like, there's a still that happens to be a good photo and it's in between this. Sure.

But that's it, but look, that we will make the faces. I know you and that's, I still don't even see that. So what do you think the average person sees? Try licking my ear. I don't know why I'm doing. You do that one with playing drums. And honestly, you get that, you know what we get? The worst photos you've ever seen of us in your life.

Yeah, being a vocalist. I feel like being a drum is worse and being a vocalist for folks. Uh-uh. I've done both. Damn, you are. You are authorized. Yeah, straight up. Dude, it's worse.

Being a vocalist worse. Yeah. Two of you. First off, you're on a stage. Everyone's looking up at you. Oh, yeah. It has, my entire lineage comes from Scotland. We don't have the strongest jaw line.

Bro, same. Okay. That's why we get the necktowed. Why do you have a strong jawline? Because I got my neck tattooed and I grew a fucking beard. Yeah, exactly. That's why you did it. My whole family, Cuthbertson.

I got a fake chin. Yeah, but I need to distend my jaw to scream. Someone like, I'm like, now I don't have a jaw. And photographers are like, dope. He looks awesome. Let me post it and tag him. First on the real. Boom.

And then I want to collab with the post too. And I'm like, come on. It's cool. For sure. Those ones. No, there's some good ones, but there's more bad ones. One in 50. He's handsome as shit.

He's got a good jawline. He's doing it. He's great. He's got very few bad ones. Minor majority, I'm just like, Kay. Maybe he doesn't mean it. I mean that shit. Beanie on when you're playing or beanie old?

You a hat guy? No, I usually don't play with a hat on. I'm probably going to play with the hat on tonight because having ears, and the wire for them doesn't, like, you know how, like, you can, like, bend it and it'll, like. Yeah, it goes around. This one doesn't want. Who made them?

Whose ears are you up? China. China. I don't know. It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not. It's not even like a pair of, like, you know, like the sure ones that, like. Oh, they're not molded. They're just fucking.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're just. I'm going to be spraying and praying tonight. I got a good pair of 64s that are, what's the word? Universal. Oh, yeah, yeah. If you want a pair of them. People have said a lot of numbers to me and go,

you should try this number and I go. I would be done. He just got, he just, didn't you get a pair from Brandon earlier today? No, he didn't give him to me. He's like, they're finicky.

They're like kind of work and I was just like, I would just play with no in here. Fuck it. I think, I don't, this isn't a cut, but I think in that box there, I have some shores and some 64.

universal. If I do, you are down to bless me, I'm so in. You can take them and, I wouldn't, I'd try it in sound check tomorrow. Sure. I'll kiss you on the mouth. But 64, you know I've been trying to get that since you stepped in the fucking room. You already did the smoky eye stare and everything.

The wedding. The wedding. We're her and I'm looking at this guy. Check this fucking. Yeah. See what we make it happen. For the record, when you do go to Mold's, I did it more. I did J.H. I did. Who's the other fucking ultimate ears? Sixty four of the only one.

that will stay in your fucking ears and you don't like I've got a pair that I haven't you're supposed to get them remolded every three or four years and I've had these seven years. Your ears and your nose grow for your entire life. I thought it was just the loads. Oh, hell no. My ears are bigger than fuck. Inside? Inside the whole thing.

I wish I never knew that. That just feels like some shit I should know. Go take a look at an old man. Next time you see an old man, take a real good glimpse of that conch. Yeah, I know that. Big ass nose. Yeah, they got fucking. They start getting hair

going out of the tip of their nose. I've started getting hair on my fucking earlobes. Earlobes, yeah. See, I stretched my inside. There's nothing. They just got. The like inner flap. I got the vagina ears.

Right here or whatever. I guess this side. I pull ear, uh, ear hairs out of there. Not even as old as me. I haven't got anyone in my ears yet, but I get my feeling. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wow.

You just looked like I do. No. I don't think about it. Sounds like. But you don't. sounds like you're to God I swear to God

I feel like you'd like see it and you'd be like it's gonna stop I'm gonna stop other girls talking to him let's fucking leave that in there

Craig what's your favorite Christmas movie great fucking question straight up and actually may have shoehorned your episode earlier by dating it to Christmas

so that was a good this is an intrusive thought but I'm I yeah I just want to know I have my answer great segment I thought that

Simon cut out Mike suggesting this? No, don't. My favorite Christmas movie, I'm not going to say the one,

right, because it's just such a fucking, there's a guy with muscles. Of course, that's his favorite Christmas movie. So I'm going to go in, which is die hard, okay.

Oh, okay. It's just a great, it's just a great movie. I'm not putting it in there with Christmas movies. No. It's a Christmas movie,

but is it. Jingle all the way. I was literally going to say that, dab me up. dab me the fuck up. That's the one. That is the one. It is the one.

Yeah. Do you know the tragic story behind Jingle all the way? Yeah. Yes. Someone dying, right? The annoying neighbor. I got sweaty hands, by the way, guys. Sorry about those dabups.

You've never dapped up. Our guitar player, sweaty his hands you've ever touched. The guy that plays the annoying neighbor. Yeah. Who sounds a bit like Ned Flanders but doesn't voice Ned Flanders. Sure. His wife. life, IRL, Madison's Googling this, hell yeah,

IRL murder suicide. Him? Okay, I didn't know that. Him? Him. Damn, I mean, you know, when you think about it, I never seen him playing anything after. Yeah, because he's fucking dead. Damn.

That'll happen. Part of me when I watched that film, I'm like, if he was like that all the time. Do you what, too? Yeah. Kind of get it. Kind of get it. That's a joke. I do watch every single Harry Potter.

I don't watch it intently, but I watch every Harry Potter movie in December because they all have Christmas parts. And when I was a kid, I don't know, around Christmas we'd watch a Harry Potter movie with my family, kind of. She's a potter head as well. She's a potter head. You say I'm a Potterhead. I just like put them on. I mean, that's being a potter head. Sure.

Okay. Once yearly watch, that's a pothead. Yeah. Like, I just, I know people that are into Harry Potter and I like don't hold a candle to them. So you, you know what I mean? Yeah. like her. She's got the fucking tattoos and everything.

Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm not. You don't know what your... The ship's on. I'm there. I mean, I fuck... Yeah, I'm the same. I fuck with it.

I could probably tell you a lot about it, but... Yeah. It feels good to have it on around Christmas. I'm not going to get a tattoo. Have you got this story for me? Because Bryn Hartman shot Phil three times with a .38 caliber handgun while he was sleeping.

Twice in the head. Once in the right side, he reportedly died instantly. Okay. So it wasn't murder of suicide. It's just straight. A couple had a made argument earlier. It had an argument.

It's an assassination. Yeah, that's just, that's just OG. What year was that? Oh, she did commit suicide after. Yeah, murderous was like, what year? That was 1998, May 28. What year did jingle all the way? 96?

Seminole classic. Yeah, I want to say 96, 97. 96. 96, two years post jingle, and he got fucking sent. Such a bright future. All the way. Yeah, bro. I mean, I was saying it.

Yeah, that's crazy. Is that your favorite Christmas film too? That just landed with me. That was awesome. The joke? It just landed. It just landed. Yeah.

Come on. Is that yours as well? What's your? What's your? Do you just want to tap up? We can't even have a discussion. Yeah, I just got excited. We can't even have a discussion because we've all got the same.

What's your favorite Christmas movie? Oh, let me fucking guess with your cobwebs and all that shit. Nightmare. Before Christmas. That one is, I feel like everyone's favorite Christmas movie. It's good. That one's a year-round movie for me. I'll watch it Halloween.

I'll watch it Christmas. I'll watch it year-round. I want to say technically the gym version of the Grinch. Jim Carrey Grinch. Oh, yeah. That is a fucking banger. I might take it back. That might be it.

Jingle all the ways, I don't know. It's dope and it's like slept on. So it feels good to be like. You know, this one, not a lot of people do. I fucking like that one the most. The way is the EP. Right. Yeah.

I like the demo type shit. When he's in the cave and he's like doing the back. Jim Carrey's just echoed voice and Shut out, Canadians You're an idiot He's Canadian Fuck yeah, he is Everyone has dope

Is Canadian Are you Canadian Yes, bro You want a visa for this Yes Yeah, oh yeah Yeah, no, I actually do The answer better fucking BS

I can have you Okay You got one Double check You don't be fuck Devil ones Yeah We got P1

I got a P2 P2 border. No. I used to get shit on a P. And now I'm on no, they're like, on P2, well, here, I'll welcome back. I'll only, yeah, I'll only, yeah, once I get know, I'll be like, let me, fuck you. Uh, no, P2 because, and I, I always do customs free in Canada. Yeah. So, they start getting weird, I'll go. Okay, I'm going. They never have, but if

that's what, we're all on the internet that you things can get crazy at the border, yeah, going to America. Yeah, I deleted all of my shit. As I just don't want them to go. I feel about it. Every time they used to do it with Stray and they'd be like, oh, cool, so it's a band. What does it sound like? And my brain goes, regging. Metal?

Metal. Like, I want to say reg against a machine. And it's like, nah. Metal. They're like, oh, like, Pantera. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. Anytime someone asks me or anyone, really. Me, I get, I, what's your band name?

Psycho frame? They go, what does that sound like? Metal. That's why I haven't heard of it. Right. Or if they reference a band. like Metallica. It's always Metallica.

They'll be like, oh, is it like Metallica? I'd just go worse. Worse. Yeah. If someone knows metal and they do say... I track that. Metallica is awesome. Fuck yeah. My favorite band, all the old band, maybe.

Straight up. Straight up. Yeah. Black album changed my life as a kid. Sick. That ADHD brain. Love key. Yeah. Intro to hardcore.

Yeah. Black album? Straight up. I mean, uh, holier than now, when it drops to bass and drums. It's like the heaviest thing I've ever heard.

I can't talk about Metallica all the time. We can't talk about Metallica. We're running that fucking time. All right. Christmas movies. Yours is the Grinch. Ours is Jingled all the way. Yep.

I might change mine to the Grinch. The Grimlins one. Nah. Anyone? No. Not all of it. Gremlin's one. No.

It's not a Grimlins guy. I don't think. I don't dislike it. I got nothing bad to say about it. I don't know if I consciously watched it. I probably watched it as a kid, but like I don't think I was ever conscious until I hit about 22. It's pretty good.

It's a pretty good movie. Who's the anime fan? Both of us. Pretty well, all of us. Both of us, definitely Hunter as well. Brandon likes anime. For sure.

Leo does. Leo likes anime. I think Dave's the only person who doesn't. In the Spirit of Heaven. I'm gonna. And, like my music, my hair can be able to continue my rhythm.

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I love that song JJu Kaysin reference I had just I didn't watch it

until literally like two weeks before going to the studio. And I just put it off. At first season, I didn't love it. I was like, eh, it's pretty sub.

It's like standard. Nothing I haven't seen. I'm like, this is fine, but everyone's telling me it's the best and all this stuff. And I'm like a big chainsaw man. This is what I need. I'm exactly the same and I haven't done it yet. All about chainsaw men.

Second season hits, bro. First episode, I'm like, is this the same show? Yeah. What the fuck is going on? Animation change, pacing changes, music changes everything I'm like because I think I tried the first episode like three times

and I was like I'm not Madison is screaming in her seat I that JJK is my favorite I cosplay Ghetto I cosplay Sukuna That's my favorite one And I'm becoming so bold to watch it We're gonna see the movie on this I got a lot of the skins in Fortnite

I need to get and I like there I like that there's only two seasons in a movie Build up on that first season watch it That you get through and you're like, that was fine. Second season starts and you're like, holy shit. I actually, I love the formula where movies are coming in and taking the place of doing arcs. So like, so the Chainsaw Man movie with, uh, Rizzer-Rex. It's so good.

Loudest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. No, we went to an IMAX. I went when we were in London, I went and watched it that morning by myself. And it was, oh no, I went with Sam. I wish. He never watched an anime in his life. Another Reynolds guy. Shut out Sam.

Yeah, I took him. He was like, what are you doing? I'm going to a movie. He's like, I'm bode. I'm coming. I'm bode.

And then we went... He never seen Changswoman. He never watched anime. And we walked out of that and I was like, I know that shit probably was crazy to you. And he was like, no, it was good.

I was telling people, I was like, this shit must be good. Yeah. It is good. It is fire good. Yeah, but like if you never watch anime

and you're like, okay. I feel like that's the one I was going on here. Sell people on. Sure. Yeah. like fucking wacky. You know what else was a little bit slow burner?

And then the second season was phenomenal. Solo leveling. Did you do that? Second season was where I fell off. Really? I haven't finished it yet. I actually don't like any of solo leveling anime. Read the whole manga.

Love it. Oh, it's not as good as the manga. I think the, and I don't really hold this opinion about like almost any other series, but I do legitimately think the manga is better than the anime. Interesting. What else was a better Not really anime, but arcane

Second season of Arcane Hmm I don't know anything about that The fucking best Is it? I liked the first season Have you done the second season? Is that the League of Legends?

Yeah, okay I've never played Legal Legends I actively make fun of my friends that play it Never watch the first season I was like Yeah The second season

The second season It goes fucking bananas Yeah okay I got to talk to Demon Slayer has a close First Season I did not care for the first season Even saying it's not that one genuinely nowhere near as good as any other piece of material related to it.

The first season versus the rest. Yeah. First season of Demon Slayer. There's nothing. It's not bad. I mean, I've done it. It's all fine.

I think maybe I've done one and a half seasons of Demon Slayer and then I just got annoyed that there's fucking eight. How many seasons is there? No. Including movies. I don't follow that. If you include the movies, which sometimes they turn into their own short season, after the fact, which makes no fucking sense. It's got to be like six seasons.

Yeah. Not including the movies. That's why I need to get in on this. It's like JJK while I can do it. Four? Four and then how many movies? Two. Crane one.

Yeah. They just released. I haven't seen the movie. The newest movie. Which is about the Infinity Castle. Yes, thank you. Here's the thing. When you start off with the goats, like Berserk and Evangelion,

everything you watch after that, at the start you're like this is just perfect again this is just Evangelian again it did take me a while like Madison's been responsible for my anime reawakening it really took me a while to like any style of animation that didn't look 90s because when I was growing up and like I just love the 90s fucking look I'm like shout out studio trigger they're holding it down yeah now I can appreciate I'm done the cyberpunk oh it's so good it was so good that game it you know whenever it first drive everyone was like it was just you know not a game um i watched the anime that's why i and then i played the game because i got the game because i liked the show that much i was like i got to keep hanging out here

that's kind of what i do with the podcast there'll be people right now watching this and they're like i like those guys i don't know the band and they're gonna go they make themselves like the band through this sure and then they become a fan sure what if they're like i like this band i'm gonna check this out. These guys suck. I'm not going to listen to them anymore. It probably happens. It could be happening right now.

Rarely happens. It would be awesome. I liken it to like... I know I've liked bands seen something they did in like an interview or something. I'm like, yeah, I don't fuck these guys anymore. Yeah, people have what it takes to ruin it.

Sometimes. I think... Yeah, maybe. Mainly if they're cringe. Define cringe. You, where's my hug? That's... Yeah, there's a spectrum.

The cringe spectrum. I am cringed to many. But I am free. I love. I liked every time I died before I heard a single song because I watched the shit happens DVD. Straight. Okay. Yeah.

And I was like, oh my God, this is my favorite. And then I put it on. Luckily, it was good. Thank God. Thank God. It was fucking good. That's what I try and do here. Anyway, we're running out of time.

Yeah. So sorry. You got anything, no, it's me fucking. We can't shut the fuck up either. Are you certified yappers? Have you been to Crunchyroll yet? You've done the thing. More the best days in my life.

They took you in. Alex took you in. Yeah. He's awesome. The best guy. I'm the best days of my life. I did an interview with him for the record. Yeah, it was really fun.

It was one of the few interviews where I've gotten where I'm like, this is awesome. It's like very exciting. Yeah, he like, he loves it. He's so fucking knowledgeable. Did you go, did you see his desk? He's got like a little trinket from everyone. He gave me a DVD copy. I mean, you always get stuff, but he was like, there was a shelf with, I love Evangeline.

I've watched the show 40 times in a row, hyperfixation. you know what I mean um and there was a I can't find the DVDs anywhere and there was a DVD copy of it and he's like just take it yeah sick no there there is still there is so much cool shit there so like me I nerded way the fuck out there whenever I found like it's one shelf just a collection of mostly Dragon Balls East stuff but a lot of this is at least 20 years old or so I know the little room that you're talking about some of the figures are not painted. They're like black and white monochrome. A lot of those things I either knew about, never saw in real life out in the wild or something like that. And just me, I was lighting up

inside. Like I remember seeing the promo that they handed out for the original Buda Kai or like legacy of Goku 2, the Game Boy Advance game. I'm the Dragon Ball guy. So that shit, that shit means something to me. Little break in the voice there. That guy's such a fucking legend. I'm trying. There was talks when I went there. You know I am by this point.

I was like, oh yeah, Alex. It's like the first time I ever met him. I was like, let me do a voice. And he was like, let me see what I can do. So then he comes back to me at one point, it was, he was like, I think I can get you a voice on solo leveling too. it didn't happen but he was like

okay so you're on the radar now and you do the voices they were like looking I'm sure I could do something you could do the air great they would love a good English voice well here's here's the thing he was like I think we could

maybe sort something out for Black Butler because there's a bunch of English voices in there yeah so that's like one of the last things on my bucket list my American accent sucks I'd have to do my accent I can do like California American right

that's the go-to. You guys want to smoke a bowl? That's fire. That's pretty good. Thanks. How was it? You guys want to smoke a bowl? That sounded better.

Yeah, man. Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. Hell yeah. Welcome to the Downbeat podcast, guys. Man, that's different. Yeah, bro. Not great.

Not great. Man, the temperature changed. Did it? You didn't like it. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Like watching your mom and dad fuck. Ah.

Well, okay. It's happened. It's happened. I've been there. This doesn't hurt that bad. You ever hear your mom and dad? Fuck. Brother.

I've seen it. You've seen it. Yeah. You walked in on it. Oh, you were there. Yeah, I was just, oh my God. No, I've walked in. Where I used, where I grew up, I lived, like, in the sticks, like, seven miles outside of town.

Yeah. And we had, like, a back deck area and just, like, a bunch of shit that's, like, just for chilling. and leading out onto the back deck from my parents' room is where they have a little gazebo. Got a little swing. Swing set. They don't live there anymore. Some other Chode lives there now. But I remember getting home from school, I have to walk like 500 feet down the driveway.

You don't really, unless you're really listening for it, you don't really just kind of hear everything driving by and going around. walked up onto the back deck. There they are. Outside. Outside. What temperature was it? Freaks, bro. What the hell?

What temperature was it? Was it like summer? Nice as fuck out. There's a summer. It's summer of it. I just want to say Batman couldn't beat that info out of me, bro. That's going to agree with me. Why is you talking about this?

And just being like, man, I would love some sex right now. What did you do? What was your thought process? How old would be it? This is a tangent? I'm, Somewhere between 12 and 14. Old enough.

Rough year for it. Old enough. Old enough. Rough year for it. I think I heard it once. I was sneaking up. Sneaking up stairs like after I've been outside to smoke a joint or something and I was sneaking back up to my room when I heard them fucking.

And my honest reaction was just, oh, good for them. How old are you? I love that. 38. Oh, okay. That's fine. I wasn't 38 when that happened. Yeah.

Yeah, I meant how old are you when that? happened. Oh, I thought you just meant how old are mine now? No, 30, yeah, happened yesterday. Yeah. Good for them. Yeah. Damn, that's some old people fucking. That is a very grown. That is a grown response. I mean, yeah. No, I just feel like I was probably like 15. Okay. Good on you. Yeah. Grown response. I think there was mild repulsion, but like, at least they knew they loved each other. There's a difference between visually seeing that and that being grained into your brain versus just hearing it because you can like, you're like, oh, all right. audio, you're seeing that, that's ingrained into your, like, brain forever.

Yeah, I can see her. Yeah. I don't think I've ever experienced that. God, dude, I don't want to know. I mean, like, sitting. He's airing this whole bitch out. Fuck him. The fact you answer is so fantastic.

Sitting. Anyway. My dad's a shit head. He would love the idea that I experienced something like that, but I don't think I did. You got beef with your dad? No, I love my dad to death. He's a shithead. Oh, okay.

He's going to watch this. In a good way, shit. Yeah. Oh, yeah, sick. We'll love a bit of that. See, I beef my dad and even the likelihood that he watches this is high. And even though I'm, even though like we beef, I guarantee you he's going to watch this and be like, hell yeah, he's talking about me getting pussy. Wow.

And he'll just be like, yeah, whatever. I fuck. Will they be contact? No. No, but he'll watch that and Dap himself up. I know it. What an interesting tangent.

The downbeat podcast. The downbeat podcast. Man. Downbeat podcast. The downbeat. Welcome to the downbeat. My fucking American accent's good. It's solid.

You got dinner and shit to do, so we're going to fucking ramp up. Did you do me a two truths and lie or don't you care? No, yeah, we got it. You got them. You got one each? Yeah, I have two truths and a lie. And he has two truths and a lie. And the lie for you.

Is one of your truths that you saw your mom and dad fuck? No. Okay. You're just giving that out for free. Yeah, that's, okay, just do it. Real them off. When I was nine years old, I watched Fight Club 28 times in a row because Fred Durst has a line in a song called Living It Up, where he said he watched Fight Club 28 times. And I thought that was fire.

So for every night, for 28 times. days I watched Fight Club when I was nine years old before bed okay that's fantastic I really hope that's true carry on next one to um in high school I got arrested for using a fake ID to buy alcohol for my friends okay cops ended up being chill we hung out after and shit like that it was fine and then super bad super bad I have a cat with diagnosed anxiety and she has has a veterinary prescribed medication, which is equivalent to Prozac. I have to give her daily. This work backwards.

Do you know the name of this medication? No, I just call it Kitty Prozac. Kitty Prozac. You have to put one? No, I have to give it to her via ointment because she won't take it via treat. She knows that shit's in there. She's stressed out. I got a check of history with taking my pets meds.

so I had a dog that had a phantom pregnancy which is when the dog thinks they're pregnant so their little dog tits swell up and yeah it's not funny the little dog knockers swell up you're saying dog knockers and you're saying it's not funny bro are we dead ass you just said so anyway so she had to take this medication and I was in a time in my life I was dabbling in different things

so I googled medication and it was basically they give it to people men who would get a similar thing where they would start milking out their tits as like a hormone imbalance. It basically drops down your pract in which gives you breast milk anyway. So I googled it and I was like what are the symptoms and the symptoms were no, sorry, the side effects for a person were no refractory period after sex. infinite nuts and addiction to gambling what? From this dog's medication

so I was like fuck yeah let me take this dog's medication and see what happens put a couple of bets on but it wasn't anything like crazy right. When it was the last time you had a casino I can't remember

I can't remember but the infinite nuts thing did work it wasn't infinite but like you could nut and then not again it was kind of crazy but anyway so back to your story

how many how many time today does you have to have to have to bit. I'm just one today. I'm bored of this one. I'm going to the next one. Okay. This one seems too true. Okay, you got arrested for buying alcohol for your friends. Yeah.

What was the name on your fake ID? McLevin. Fucking knew it. Yeah. Yeah. I knew it. So that's the lie. Yeah. And then, which would make the first story true. Yeah.

You watched Fight Club 28 times. Yeah, because I want to be like Fred Durst. That was one of the most. believable things he's ever said, which is why I thought it was so funny. It all circles back to the ADHD. And then what happened when you watched that 28th time? Got old.

Around time 17 were you like, okay, when's something supposed to happen? I started punching holes in drywall a lot. The cap became red. Yeah. Mario thing. No. Yeah. Movies fine.

Your cat has anxiety. Sorry to cut back. Yeah, really bad. And it's aggressive anxiety. so when she gets scared or unsettled or whatever she doesn't run and hide she's like one of us is dying right now i feel like jeep might have anxiety that sounds very similar yeah someone startles her she doesn't know or something's going on she's uncomfortable she's like okay me and you what's her one of us dies abigail abigail which brings me to my next point what the fuck is your dog's name halo three the dog

your dog's name is your dog's name is halo three all right all right I get it forget you can sing you can't your dog's name is Halo 3 Halo 3 why do you seem annoyed about this question no I'm serious about it he's dead's it he doesn't why is it

same with dog I love it it's not funny yeah I mean it's good right so I actually didn't come up with her name Maddie my wife did I originally went into looking for a dog thinking that I was going to name a dog Bonesaw based off of Toby McGuire's first Spider-Man movie. The wrestler, he fights in the cage.

Okay. Bonesaw is ready. I could talk about Marvel all day, but for sure. Continue. Halo is not a Bonesaw, personality-wise. Oh, okay. And not that I have like a perfect vision for who Bonesaw is as a dog, but it just didn't land.

And so for about 36 hours, she was unnamed. I mean, she was called Katara at the shelter because the pattern in the back of her neck is an arrow. So they just gave her the name Katara, kind of like Last Airbender. But, you know, Aang was a boy in the show. So I don't know. And she just said, what if we name her Halo 3? It just stuck. Specifically Halo 3, though.

It's one of the best games ever made. but not two or one or just Halo Halo 3 is goaded 3 I mean it is yeah but it's very specific As a name As a name The third of a trilogy is kind of I mean the whole thing's crazy

I love it I'm all for it What sort of nicknames are you giving Halo 3 Baylo Okay When she's being bad Yeah the classic B Strait up Babba girl

Babs There we go Call her chicken butt Actually I call her Gary When she's being a shithead Gary I have a Gary Abergaier.

She's got this face when she hasn't had her meds when she's taken too many of her meds because she's forgot just like her dad just like her bloody dad. They do say that you know your pet takes after you. Yeah, probably.

I feel like there is some... Anxious and aggressive. You ever seen someone that looks so much like their pet that it is kind of like worrying? Yeah, but I feel like people turn into their pets like rather than they pick a pet that look

like them. Pitbull Boxer. Yeah, 100%. Badass. Yeah. You look like a darker Justin Timberlake. I get that often. He got that yesterday, randomly, someone walking by. I do get JT quite a lot. I mean, there's fucking worst people that look like. This is kind of really... Not mad about it. I've been told I look like...

Well, the new one is... What's his face? Norman Redis. People give me... Yeah, you've got... Yeah, you look like... Barry from... I could be here with like an alternate universe, Norman Reis and Justin Timberlake. You should have... I look that tired?

The jacket he was wearing yesterday. No, the eyes are different. More smoky. He was wearing a cool-toned jacket. He looked like he was in Death Stranding, too. Was he carrying gear? Bro, is wearing Gortex right now. Just play the game, bro.

You don't have to live it. I've played the first one. I haven't played the second one yet. I haven't finished it, but it is good. I'll switch to Xbox, so I'll never know this. Why? Real answer? The altruist in me gave my PlayStation too much.

my nephew because my sister couldn't afford one. And then I got a branded deal with Diablo to promote Diablo 4. And I was like, I don't have a games console. And they went, we'll send you an Xbox. And I went, thanks very much. I gave my PS4 to my nephew who all his friends had PS4s. And he didn't, he had an Xbox. So he couldn't play with any of his friends. So I gave it to him. So I regret it. I had PT on it. Which is like... So did I? Oh my God. I got the same story, bro.

I regret it every day. I can't even get it back. He played it. I'm mad. No, he didn't play it. He wiped the whole thing, so it's gone. I was like... I have every single copy of Silent Hill, like, everything pristine.

I have a big Silent Hill collection. That's my like ultimate hyper obsession. And I gave away my PT. Oh, he loved... F? I have a lot of feelings about it. But he likes the game. You don't have time.

I don't have time. You don't have time for it. Me neither. I thought we had the same story. I gave my... PS4 to my nephew it had PT on it he was like six years old and motherfucker played that shit

and like was crying it was a whole fucking thing and I don't think they deleted it though but I recently found that you could sell those with PT yeah get that back I'll buy it off you he can have it he's probably old enough to play PT now I'm gonna text him like

I'll buy it off we need to do your two choose and a lot oh yeah for sure sidetracked by animals mine were off the dome I just want to say that yeah and always I just are just want to say, oh, if you hate this segment, just tell me you hate this segment because I like to offer it. Oh, do you normally do this? Yeah, it's like, it's like sometimes, if sometimes the people can't be bothered, I like to just offer it. I wish I delivered the second one better.

You just delivered the synopsis of Superbad. Well, I also thought it was, Brandon never seen it before. I, I thought, yeah, I mean, she's never seen it before either. Brandon, okay. It's Puerto Rican. It's not, it's like Asian. Yeah. It's a white guy. It's a white boy movie. It'll tell you. He'll tell you. He'll tell you. He'll tell you. He'll tell you. He'll tell you. He's like, this is white people shit. His thing right now is, he says, I'm trying to learn about your shit. I'm trying to learn about your coach. He's tapping into walking fun. Yeah.

So whenever I ask him like Lord of the Rings questions and he's just sitting there like, you shut the fuck up. Man, we could really talk about Lord of the Rings. Bro does not know what land or which tower, Sauraman is the Lord of. I just got them all on VHS, like a collector's thing. Do you follow airplane fax with Max? on Instagram. He ever seen that guy?

No. He's an airplane mechanic. And he like, he's like a legitimate airplane mechanic. And all he does is he will like, something will happen in the news about a fuselage or something in a plane. And he'll explain what the fuselage is, is. That's really hard to do.

He'll explain what it is. And while he's talking about, you know, this is the part of the plane that does this, da, da, da, da. Unlike in the Lord of the Rings. And then he goes off on this, like, they're like two or three minute long, autistic rant. Yeah.

Specifically, Lord of the Rings related, and people have called him out, like, you're not doing this from memory, and he's done it with mirrors and stuff. The guy's just a rollerdecks. Anyways, I always want to say I'm a fan of Lord of the Rings. Then I know guys like that exist, and I'm like it. I'm the same. She's kind of like that. I like the movies.

Right. I'm not fucking. I got the Silmarillion. I got it. I'm there, but I can't. I can't. I'm not doing that. Retain the info.

It all circles back. Give me these two truth in a life. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Sorry. It's my bad. I have gotten scabies twice on the same tour. So gross. I once almost got my elementary school PE teacher fired and was a missing person's case.

And I once received a cease and desist from Martin Screlly. Now, what scabies? And is that the thing pirates get? No, but when I told Brandon, when I had made mention of this to Brandon, that was his response. He goes, is that the shit pirates get? What is scabies? Skabies are microscopic mites that burrow into your skin. It is not a sign that you are gross.

No, you quote it from somewhere. But it is a sign that where you went was gross. So they burrow into your skin. It's an animal. It's a whole thing. It's an itchy rash. It is so unbelievably unpleasant. Is either acting really well or this one's true?

They get in your crept. They get in the crevices. We didn't tell each other our thing, so I'm like, I don't know. Where was it? Hands, pits. Pits. Crotch. Gross.

Yeah. Crotch. They go for crevice and moisture. Sounds pretty grubby. Crevice and moisture. Many crevices in your hands. I mean, it's a simple life. What was the tour?

Oh, God, this had to have been like 2013, 14. And I stayed in. quite gross spot. And I want to say, it was definitely like Appalachia, like that part of the country. No, I don't want to be that guy,

but if I was picking a scale it was a rough one. It was a rough one. And, yeah, got it twice. Twice on the same toys. You got rid of it.

Treated. Treated with what? Shit, what is it called? It's a cream. Like some anti... It's a cream and it has like... Cortico steroid cream.

Yeah, it's like a certain... You can only have a certain percentage of it within the cream because it is like, poison. Yeah. But it's how it absorbs into the skin, kills the mites. You got rid of it. Yada yada.

But if you've contracted scabies once, your second time, you're going to feel the symptoms of it way faster because the what they've burrowed in you, even if it is microscopic, it's still there. So if you come in contact with it again, the trail has already been blazed. Reactivating, you know, fallen brown. others. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

Okay, so you get it a second time. Yeah. In the same hotel or just an equally shit hotel? Do you think you just didn't wash your box as well? No, I think I did a pretty good job. I mean, it very well could have just like still existed on something and then got me again. Could have been the same thing. But for the sake of the story, I definitely say, you know, I just got it twice.

Okay. You're either incredibly good at acting or I believe that one is true. So let's move on. Your high school teacher? Elementary school teacher. Elementary school. So the story here is, so I'm in the fifth grade, which means I'm 11 years old. And I was a very sensitive kid.

Some would say I'm sensitive today. Most. Most. Where my hug. That's right. Yeah. He's still looking for it. He's looking for it.

So it's some recess, gym class shit. I'm pretty sure it was gym class. Or else it wouldn't be my P.E. teacher specifically who is the subject here. But we're playing Capture the Flag. I'm going fast. I have the flag. I'm going, right? All of a sudden, I start hearing behind me, this girl, Ariel, say, he's cheating.

He's cheating. I would like to clarify, I do not think you, like, touching my shirt if you're chasing me. And if I don't feel that, I don't consider that. a tag. I don't think that constitutes as a tag. Especially when I'm going fast as fuck. I don't know. I hope. I'll set the record straight. I still stand on business. I was not cheating.

I was not cheating. Um, so anyways, she says he's cheating and then her whole team, which is everyone in my grade. How old is she? Same grade, 11. Bitch. Bitch. Everyone's turned on me. I'm a cheater, apparently. I know I didn't. I'm just fast as fuck. And I'm mad. I get, you know, I start crying.

There's a slide probably 25 feet, you know, diagonally to me. And I go and I sit in that slide for two and a half hours. Gym class ends. Everyone goes to class. No one notices at first that I haven't showed back up. Nor did I notice that the cops had showed up looking for me. Everyone thought I was gone and, you know, could have been abducted, ran away, whatever. I just went and sat in a slide and

You got called a cheater. I got called Cheater and that shit just fucked me up real bad. He's the one on the spectrum. Derek Kretter. Right. You sitting there with his big ass sword just feeling bad. Yeah. I listen, I'm normal as fuck.

I'm normal as fuck. Derek Krebs found me in that slide after that like two and a half hours. I then ran into that PE teacher later on in life in my senior year of high school when I like I basically got to be like a camp counselor for like a weekend. It was like a school trip where then I was a camp counselor to kids who were in the fifth grade at the time. I had that experience reversed when I was in the fifth grade and I thought it was so cool. We went to this place called Bradford Woods had to sign off with that

teacher. She didn't recognize me at first. And when she did recognize me, I, found out what PTSD looked like for the first time. Really? Oh, I saw everything. I saw Vietnam behind, behind her eyes. She got in loads of trouble. And she, like, she wanted to jump at me. Oh, she was still pissed at it.

Oh, yeah. Wow. I could tell the first thing she felt was anger. And then it was like a, so that was some time ago, you're legally speaking an adult now. So things have to have changed, right? Damn. Who's Martin's Shirley? Martin Schrelly was.

the previous owner of the unreleased Wu-Tang record and who famously is the guy who spiked insulin prices. Yeah, I was going to say, what was your season to assist for making fucking HIV vaccines or whatever he's trying to kill next? So he used to get on Instagram Live and he had a burner number that people would call and he would answer on Instagram Live and people would answer or people would call and he answers. they say some cryptic bullshit. Like I heard one guy say, when the game ends, all of the chess pieces still go into the same box as the king. And he would be like,

that was fucking profound, hangs up on them or whatever. Me and my friends, we would call. And we would pester him. We wanted him to give our friend Chris. We wanted him to send $5 on cash app to our friend Chris. That was it.

Just to, you know, we're just like, yeah, we got Martin Schrelli. Him jacking up insulin prices. Yes. He's hated. I didn't, yeah, I know. He's a fucking piece of shit. But like, why is he getting, well, this calling thing? He just kind of was like one of those guys who was so universally hated and just tapped in on that.

And it kept attention for him. And I think he knew he was going to go to prison some, like, you know, in less than five years. And he's like, so I'll just be like, you know, professional gold medal Cox. sucker yeah um so anyways we call him and our bit is send our friend chris five bucks on cash app he did not like that okay and instead of you know just getting hung up on he would stay on the phone with us for 30 minutes at a time we got on the phone multiple times with him upwards of 10 and it did get so bad that he started doxing us so our friends uh vlade and ilia they would all you know it would kind of be a changing of of who's on the phone with him.

Yeah. And it was them this time, fighting back and forth with him. He calls their dad's house, leaves a voicemail. Whole thing. Our whole goal was to either get five bucks or a cease and desist. And I got one of those. You got a cease and desist. And you have it in writing?

Is it an email? Framed. Framed. That was the goal. I lived with like eight other guys. You were his put a girl on. What year was this? 16, 2016?

we have to talk about. Wait, what was that? I said, you were his, put a girl on. I don't know what that is. This guy that pranks calls places and just says, put a girl on. Oh, yeah, I know. He's from Ohio.

His name is Taylor. Don't fuck with him, but those videos are funny. Apparently, he's going to prison. That reads. I don't know anything about this. Or that. So now he's,

I've seen a video. I don't follow him too much closely, but apparently he posted a video being like. Nice walk back. Yeah. Textbook walk back. Awesome stuff. That's your fucking other.

Scott free. Now that's real. good. I could learn from you. What is happening? Okay. Okay. Fuck. All three are so convincing. So we can start at the beginning with the Skapeys. I feel like, I feel like I could, I can do it.

There's, there's so many names and, there's so many names and places involved in the second two. That I feel like those are true. And then I feel like perhaps you got Skaibis once on a tour and you've created a lie that you got it twice on the door. That's my final answer. It's true. That one's true. That one's true.

So is there a lie or are you giving me three truths? There is a lie. Schrelly. Schrelly's the lie. Screlly's the lie. Okay. I got nothing. You got nothing, but you were trying.

But we were, all that other stuff, like him doxing and all that happened. But you want it. The doxing. The doxing happened. He phoned. Yeah. He phoned our friends, parents. He left a voicemail.

He said, Hey, your son fucking Elijah Because it's spelled that way But it's Ilya Like your son's being a real fucking piece of shit And he needs to get a fucking job And probably try and be someone like Martin Shrelly

Who is successful and strong Was that his lawyer or was that him? Was that a voicemail? Well, he talked like he was You know, coked out of his mind Was that a voicemail or a call? That was a voicemail that he left on their landline that on the fucking record.

That's so sick. Yeah. You fucking steal that. That makes the other one true as well. That happened. Yeah, I felt like that one was true. Yeah, that one happened. You know,

too many details in that one. There's so many details. But then sometimes people do that and then they say, well, actually it happened to my friend. So it's not actually a lie. The Screlli one was reminded me of Jesse Barnett from StixieuGuns, actually got a cease and desist from the Sackler family. for a very similar thing because he made his shirt,

the Sackler family being the family that is responsible for a lot. Tens of thousands of deaths and the Oxy crisis and all of that. Jesse Barnett did a T-shirt that says, Bramette doesn't know,

that just said, kill the Sackler family. And that's it. And it had photos of them on it and he got a real big season to sister. And then he redid it. And then he redid it. And it said,

the smallest, possible don't to don't in Minecraft in Minecraft hey you could have said that as well like if this if this is the design right

great brandy thank you send me an invoice yeah if this is the design it's it's like this guy this little guy he changed it to don't kill the sacral drink monster and he put the you know the proceeds went to helping people who were affected by the

crime cult anyway politics over uh you got dinners and music and stuff to do. Thanks for coming on. Absolute pleasure. It's so fun. Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Like, fucking, you couldn't have caught me doing this on the first day of tour. So I really fucking appreciate it. Unless it was actually one of you guys. What have you got next year coming up? Announced, we are going back to Europe. Body Snatcher headliner. It's Body Snatcher, Ingested, Psycho Frame and Big Ash Truck. That's a fucking great tour.

So it'll be our second time back over yonder. We are playing like 57 shows in the UK. The first half of that tour is in the UK. But we are playing Dublin, which I'm really excited about. That's fucking sick. You don't see many people go over and actually play Irish. Do you know any of the Ingested guys? No, but their singer has been very friendly to me over Instagram.

Haven't met them. Sean and Lynn from Ingested, the drummer and the guitarist. They used to be, I mean, Ingested has been going since I was in a day. band in 2010. They also used to be in annotations of an autopsy. Oh. So I toured with them a long time ago. They're fucking good bunch of boys.

I wonder if they've calmed down. I've seen some things. We'll find out. Those boys love a drink. I'm calm. Great tour. When is that tour? Off the top.

March. March. It's like all of March. Go because Psychoframe is the fucking best. Literally, as you've seen by the data, one of my favorite bands of this year, One of my favorite band. I listen to your band in the gym every fucking day.

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