The Downbeat - Sam Carter - Architects

Episode Date: January 17, 2019

My guest this week is Sam Carter. Sam is the singer in Architects and a bloody legend. I caught up with him on their bus after their sold out show in Manchester. We talk about their new album Holy Hell, school, football, becoming a touring musician, how Sam is still good at drums after all these years of being a frontman - and how for some mental reason I have been ghosting Arsenal goalkeeper Petr Cech in my twitter DMs.

Hello, no, no, no, no. Is it me you're looking for? All right. That's a good intro, wasn't it? Sort of different. Usually I'll say hello. This time I did say hello, but I sang it in the style of the late, great, Leonard.

No, who was it? Who did that song? This is fucking professional. Who did that? song? I should know this. I'm a professional musician. Is this the start of dementia? Early onset dementia. 31 years old. Who was it?

Lionel Richie. And then he said Leonard Cohen. Leonardo from Turtles. I'm just talking shit now. My guest this week is Samuel David Carter. lead front man singing sensation

Sam Carter from architects and then there's some of he'll be like oh you've already had some of architects on

well he's me best mate right with Josh along with Josh we can't we can't deny Josh and Josh is another

architect basically I'm just bezzies with architects right so you're going to get a few architects episodes there'll be like

you know I'll probably leave 10 normal episodes in between Architects episodes Don't want to blow my Architects load And I don't want you guys to be like Oh, he only knows one band But they're my friends, right? So shut up And you want to hear from Sam

Because he's a fucking legend Um Yeah, we talk about Actually, I met him on tour It's actually other than the Jay one Um, Jay Postones episode one Bad quality But I've learnt since then

that you need good quality. Other than that one, it's the only one I've done in person. I went to see them at, I went to see them rock the Victoria Warehouse in Manchester, right by Old Trafford, which Sam was spaffing in his pants about. And, you know, we hung out, I saw the show, it was very good. They got those projectors and that. It's like a condensed Pink Floyd concert. They, you know, it was really good.

And then we were like, let's do a podcast. I borrowed some microphones. from Johnny Bergen, the sound guy. Shout out Johnny. And we did it on the bus. And it was cool. We talked about loads of stuff. We talked about school.

We didn't go to school together, but just a lot of anecdotes about school. We and Sam met a long time ago, like 15 years ago. So we talked about how we met, how I ended up working for architects as drum tech. You know, there's facts of life

and there's a little bit of like, you know, just sort of like uplifting stuff for people. who are in the music industry or hoping to be in the music industry. I hate the word music industry. I tell you what I hate even more than that and what people just hate industry.

Anyway, I'm waffling. You want to get on to Sam Carter on the downbeat. Coffee tastes like an ass. Well, there you go. That's the first line. The coffee tastes like an ass. How was that catering coffee, Samuel David Carter? It's making me wretch.

Careful not to slag the captain. I think it's because I just choked on it. I think that's probably a problem. It's awful. The catering's very nice. Fantastic. Best at all. Which is a surprise for Manchester.

We haven't. I haven't even done an intro. I'm, I'm me. You know who I am. Craig. What do you call me, Sam? Craig.

What's your affectionate name for me? Craig Nog. Craig Nog. Craig Nog. Renlord. You're saved in my phone is Craig. Ringo Reynolds. Ringo.

And every time I ring you. Hello, Craig. I'm here with Sam My good friend Sam We're in Manchester On his very nice tour bus Isn't it? I don't want to show

Isn't it very nice You described it as Kevin and Perry Asking as well Yeah I don't know what I meant by that But Kevin and Perry Just Because I feel like

I don't know I feel like You know like almost famous Yeah But not like that Because you're my mates But it's like I got on the bus

And I was like Ooh Steped up Step up a bit guys We got two of them as well. Just the one. You know, a lot of people would think that maybe the crew should just, you know, maybe be in a van. But, you know, we like our crew, so they have the same as us.

Who have got their own bus? Yeah, that one there. That one there. I bet it's a fucking shithole. Rats and stuff running around. Do you know the bunking situation? Is there like a hierarchy? In there?

Yeah. No, I don't know this. I don't know the situation. I think they have the same bumps. Just chaos. Yeah. I haven't been in there. Is Greg in here?

Yeah. Greg and Ed are in here. So no one's running that bus. There's no TN. No. That is just chaos. Our production managers in there. So I think Kenny will probably be running the show.

He's running the show and the rest of the vermin. Yeah. Just rolling around. Good start. We have the best ones in here. We have Ed and Fred. They're two. Fred's on here.

Fred's on here. Yeah. Special request. That's got to cause some sort of... Well, yeah, there's been a lot. crew? Well, we've started calling him Mr. Worm because

Paul, our lighting guy, who's fantastic, obviously rinses Fred quite a bit for coming over here. Yeah. And there's been like, oh, and then Fred's gone back to have a few drinks with them.

And he's been like, ooh, you're worming your way back in over here. And then when he comes back over to us, we're like, ooh, Mr. Worm's here. Fred's a little slut between the two buses. Fred's Mr. Worm. Just worm in his way.

That's going to end in tears one day. Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. They're saying that he's not even crew anymore talking about kicking him out of the crew WhatsApp and stuff kicking him out of the crew

and you're not in the band so that means you're fired Fred you're done you're lovely man should probably talk about what you saw last night what I saw the rock show good where are Manchester

Victoria Warehouse very good show before I talk about the show I want to talk about the toilets upstairs which you probably didn't see because you would have been mobbed Beatlemania style no I was furious about the toilets

upstairs But like, it was like a... It's a very good venue. And there's four toilets backstage and they're all out of order. All out of order. Where did you... Over there. So every time I've needed.

Where did you have your movement? Over there. You had to walk. My movement. My movement's back over in the hotel across the way. Movement, plural. That vegan diet. The new vegan band.

Movements. CA. That is a band, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Movement C.A. And they were named after bowel movements. Uh... Yeah, I really liked it

As the first time I've seen the new songs Yeah When was the last time I saw all you guys? Brixton? Playing an actual show Yeah Would we tour? We toured after Brickston didn't we?

In America Was that after Brickston? I'm pretty sure. Maybe, who knows? It all blurs into one. Yeah. But it was good, new songs. Hard are they?

Yeah. This is like actual press now No, no, yeah. It's not, I mean, it's a bit trickier than the other stuff. Just because it's new, I think you just find your feet with it. But it's doing pretty well now. You show's in, so getting used to it.

I was talking yesterday about how I wanted you to fail. Yeah, you did say that. No, because when I heard the album, I was like... Showing off. No, yeah, I was like, oh, that bit would be hard for the vocals. Yeah. Holy hell. And then last night it was like, song starts.

I'm like, right, let's see if Sam can do this. Bossed it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The start of the tour, actually we remember. Russia, the first bit, there's two vocals there that harmonised each other. There's a lower one and a higher one. When we were in Russia, I was doing the lower one just because

it felt easier and like the other one was too high. But it didn't sound as good. The other one's really high in that one. I can't even do it. It's really up there. It's straight in. But that's what makes the song so good is it's just like in your fucking face straight away. Arse be a of a breakdown.

What? I always tell you is that song's perfect for the gym because it's exactly three minutes until the breakdown which is the right time to have a little rest after your set and then you do your max rep set but also I realized yesterday watching it live in the flesh actually half of the song is a breakdown there's a pre-breakdown

yeah the pre-breakdown is really great as well and it's really great and it comes in at like minute and a half Yeah. Then there's about a minute a pre-breakdown. Another chorus. The heaviest breakdown.

Yeah. On the record, IMO. I love that song so much. Which is internet talk, in my opinion. So street. I'm just like, part of me is on the internet, part of me's on the streets, you know? That's the kind of shit that I'm doing. I like the footage that you did online yesterday as well.

What footage did you do? You were filming the breakdown and then zoomed in when it kicked in. Yeah. Love a Zoom on Instagram. Love a Zoom. Love it. Ruins it for everyone, but it's funny. Absolutely.

Absolutely ruined. Do you know what's funny about this conversation? Two things. I'm looking at my notes. Yeah. But we don't usually have this much eye contact in real life. So they're talking like, up. To reset the scene, we're on the tour bus in the back lounge,

staring directly into each other's eyes with a couple of microphones. If it was a couple of beers, it might go another way. I know, but it's so early. It might go, it might get. we might it's like a date almost isn't it the last time I looked in someone's eyes

this much was on like a first date I know and there's beds right next to us so you know if it wasn't the a M we're laughing like it's a date as well I know it's weird especially considering

just looking at my notes because it's professional considering we've probably known each other for 15 years yeah I was thinking about this this morning it's a long time

I'm trying to think when the first time I think I met you was at a show in I want to say hove or market hall or something something yeah my first band Lou Kang

yeah nervous wreck yeah think what was Nick Worthington from Dead Swan's first band called Turn Cold Turn Cold played It might have been the free but actually I don't think it was I think it was like a little pub but not as little as

Maybe never sure it weren't playing, maybe I was just there. No, you definitely played, because I saw you play with your little... Down to Nothing play it as well. Your little blonde bob thing. Because it was like some hardcore band, big hardcore band that played it in Hove as well. I can't remember, but I think it must have been 2004 because I was fresh out of school. Yeah. That was the night I first met Tom my Dan as well.

Sat on a bench around the corner from that venue in Hove, the Marketplace. Literally just next to a church. I think it's called The Marketplace or Hovetown. Hall or something. I can't remember. It was a little greby little hardcore show.

And I met Tom and Dan sat on a bench and they were drinking scrumpy jack. Did you? Were that show? Out of a plastic bottle.

Rare. Yeah. That was a good scene. It was a great scene. So you were playing drums which means that you can be on the podcast. Yeah, I'm a drummer.

Originally a drummer. Yeah. You play drums every day? Yeah. I think I do. On tour, definitely. Play drums more than Dan on tour. Maybe.

I always try and play drums. before sound check. I always play the warm-up kit, which is great. The warm-up kit's amazing because I can play it and not annoy everyone. And he's got that little pedal thing now. Yeah. He's actually taking care of his craft.

He's doing his... You know what? He's been doing the double kick thing that you were telling him to do. Prescribed. I always hear it. And he smashed it last night, to be fair. He's a fantastic drummer. I think the thing about Dan is

is he's not a show-off. But he's note perfect the whole set. I can't get it. I'm sorry, I can't get over the fact we're just staring into each other. I never have to turn around. Never. And for a drummer to be a singer, to not have to think about what the drummer's doing. Time in wise, yeah.

Ever. Like, there's never anything that he's done where I've turned around and been like, what? He's great. He's fantastic. But he doesn't do, like, all the stuff that, People do, you know, no offense to anyone that does it, but like the Instagram videos or the YouTube videos or anything, you're just not... Well, that's me. So don't insult me.

You could just said stick tricks and that wouldn't have insulted me. I'm not insulting you. I'm just saying he doesn't do it. But that's not a bad thing to do it or not to do it. He just doesn't. I feel like he doesn't do it because he doesn't have to do it. I have to throw myself in people's faces like, hey everyone, remember I play the drums. Remember I'm pretty good at the drums.

Please, like, share, subscribe. So it is band's massive. Your band's massive. So you don't really have to. But I think there's still people in massive bands that still do it, don't they? Now, that is an ego thing. Yeah. Because I only do it to try and sort of further my career.

As a drummer. As a drummer. But if you're already a very big drummer, it's a bit egotistical. I don't know. I don't know. I kind of like how, oh, I don't kind of like, I really like how he's just like, not whatever. He was annoyed that I filmed him warming up yesterday because he was like, oh, no, I told everyone on your.

podcast I don't warm up and now I do. The thing is, he's so involved in the band now with writing the rest of the stuff. He spent so much time doing vocals with me and everything else, almost like the drums. Like he said on the other podcast, it's just like, he'll like practice the day before and be like, whatever feels good, which is

quite cool because it's sort of almost more organic in this sort of natural way, like what feels good here, like night before, don't overthink it, drag it. And then if you can do that, then the chances are you can play it live if you're having a bad day. Exactly. Unlike you're like,

you can play it live, but you like to make your life an utter misery. I'm currently making it so bad. Yeah. You sent me the video and I'm like, what on earth are you trying to do? This is what I do. I write the part and then I'll go to the practice room.

I'll practice the part and I'll learn it and then I'll go home and go, I'm bored. How can I make that thing? This is it. You have too much time when you're hands. Because of all these lovely people buying t-shirts. I don't have to fucking do anything.

That's Grussell. Dot shop. But I come home and then I'm like, oh, I could make that part harder, couldn't I? Add some ghost notes in every single game. But that's your thing, isn't it?

Like, that's it. Like, you have a, you love drums and you know what you want to hear. So you're a great drummer. You know if you, if someone, if you're listening to a record and you hear something that's going to excite you,

you want someone to have the same reaction. I want to steal it and put it in my songs. You want to steal it and put three goes notes in that it's not the same. Perfect. But we don't have to talk about drums because I do want to... The thing is about me monetising this podcast, so I don't have to work, is that I want to branch out into people that aren't related with drums. And other than Will Puckner, you are the...

You're the first sort of big, fucking... Big deal that I'm having on the DB. On the DBP. The big deal. The big deal on the DBP. Unbelievable. I find it very hard to see myself as a big deal, but if you say so. front cover of Kerrang, often.

Often, yeah. There you go. So, you know, you know you got that B-D-E. Yeah. And for my listeners that are people like my mum and dad, that means big dick energy, which means, you know, he's got a big dick in those pants,

but he's not waving it around. Like, everyone look at my big dick. You can just see by his energy that it's there. I'd say average dick energy. No, you've got, I haven't seen your pecker, but I would say you've got BDE, which means I would assume there's a BD in those peas. You'd like to think so. I'd like to think that people think that as well.

They definitely do, but whether or not it's true, these people will never know. Yeah. That's for all access. That's for the VIP pack. It's for the meat and greet. I'm going to cough. That got you there, didn't it? That was funny, wasn't it?

That was really funny. I like reverse laughed. I did a sort of pig squirrel laugh. Nice. I've got notes and stuff, but this is just funny, isn't it? Doing this. Because I've written down here, Nervous Rec.

We didn't actually finish talking about that. You were playing drums in a band called Nervous Rec. Yes. And I was like, that kid's good with his sort of, sort of haircut that if you came out with now would be considered groundbreaking. You had like a... Like a fringe...

It was like the MiceBone. Space-based cut. It was 2004. I had a straight cut along the top. Yeah. Like a Paul Weller almost. Exactly like a Paul Weller. And do you know what?

Tom had it as well when I first met with. But Tom sides were like... Tom had a big side. Tom had a like Jeffrey Stars in my top eight haircuts. Absolutely. Yeah. Which was... And Dan had like the big, big black fringe.

Like his fringe looked like... Yeah. The AIFI. Could have put a hair clip in it but didn't. I'm sure. there's a photo of him with a hair clip somewhere. I remember watching an interview with them on P-Rock. Do you remember P-Rock?

I do remember P-Rock. With them at like Yovil Ski Lodge or something. I do remember that. And Dan's hair being like so massive. But then also that was around the time when I joined the band so I was like, sick, my band's on TV, even though I'm not in the band at this time.

Was that on that TV show that Leander had? Mm-hmm. What was it called? I can't remember. It was like the... Something Rock TV or something? It was at the gaming show, wasn't it? it and the blonde lady was on it as well yeah and then there was bring me a horizon footage from the underworld and there was the

architect's footage Johnny Truant Gallows good days Peorock was great I saw Scuzzi's calling it quits That's a shame as well they're the last The last hurrah I used to come home from school For anyone that doesn't remember

School I was just gonna make that fucking joke Oh it was gonna be so funny but now that's it doesn't matter but now people now people are laughing because of me

because you made the funny you set it up and I served it that was good there's some more banter um no if people that don't remember some people that we finish

other sentences yeah in it let me just check this still recording because this is excellent stuff I'm sure everyone will agree this is excellent

Sam talking to your microphone excellent oh it's excellent it sounds like we're at the motherfucking BBC um

for anyone doesn't remember music television I thought you were about to like check it so that you could start again so that you could make the joke so I can delete it

for anyone that doesn't remember school in case you're wondering why you're all laughing at my joke and not Sam's it's been edited out I used to come home from school no joke there and I would put on

P-Rock and I'd sit there till my mum made dinner for a two hours there was MTV 2 it was MTV 2 no there was M2 there was M2 back in the bag there was M2

there was Krang! TV. Yeah. And there was P-Rock. There was P-Rock. P-Rock was so great. P-Rock was sick

because it had the punk but it also had the metal. It had your Wittmores. Wittmore. Smoked the Roach. Smoke the Roach. Think about you every now and then. If we get too alone again.

Oh my God. No one of it. It is gone. I haven't even thought of Wittmore for probably as long as I've known. Yeah, the big inspiration of my earlier bands. Really?

Smoke the Roach, yeah. Good artwork on Smoke the Roach. Just a big one. weed leaf with an actual cockroach on it. I'd love to know what they're up to now. Whitmore. Any Whitmore listening? There's no.

There's no, probably like... Drummer of Whitmore on the next episode of the downbeat. Yeah, fuck me. I'll be getting listeners for that one. No offence. No offense. Whitmore. I liked your shout out of Beecher yesterday.

Yes. No one in the crowd knew who they were. No. But I still feel like it's important to like pay your Jews like respect to bands that, you know, shaped... Who you are. The band. Yeah.

And they were massively influential. They were sick as well. They're amazing. Those records are still ahead of their time. Is breaking the fourth wall a song on a record or was it the name of the name of the last one or the second to last one? I'm not sure of the time. I'm so sick. We're dead for weeks on it.

Yeah. That song's great. I played that at college. You know, I was at BIM. Yeah. You go to Bim for drums? Yeah, I did, yeah. No, no, this is when I had to pay for it as well because they didn't.

I didn't get the right whatever's. Failed music. Not failed, but I got a D in music at school as well. I got a B and I was predicted and I'm blowing smoke up my ass. I was going to get an A star, so I kind of just fucking whatevered it. I was predicted a C, but it turns out I've got an A. Did you fail anything in school?

Oh, so much. Did you? Did you? My GCSE is pretty much red fudge. Nice. Yeah. Maths. Science.

You failed math. The only thing I actually passed, which I would say is a C. C's a pass. It's good enough. Yeah, C's foreign. It was English. It's the only thing. And that's only because...

It's your first language. Yeah. And because my English teacher was a guy called Mr. Ozil, who I actually recently bumped into. Mezzat. Mezzar Ozil. And he was in a rage against the machine music video. What?

Yeah. He was in like, you know the one where they're in like the outside the... in New York and they're playing on the street. Yeah. He was in that music video. He was just there on holiday, but like the band. And I obviously liked them in school, and he told me, and I thought he was the coolest guy ever.

So I just immediately respected him and just listened to everything he had to say. So I was like, well, he's clearly cool. I saw him recently and told him how he, like, really helped me. And we, like, both had a moment in a pub in the middle of the night. Wow. It was really nice. He actually gave me his email, and I forgot to email him. So it's just reminding me.

Mr. Mezzit-O-Ur-Zer. I see, it wasn't his email, because he couldn't give me his email because of, like, school thing. It was, like, his missus email. Even though it's, like, 20 years later, what a professional. Because I know, I can't even talk about that. I know teachers that are Mr. Me all the time.

Honestly, there's some dodgy teachers around. There's your in-depth. There's your in-depth, yeah. That's very professional of him. But it was cool. You know, that's what it's like. I think I wasn't exactly. great at school.

I had like the gift to the gab, you know, I was friends with all the teachers and front man shit. And I would wind up the teachers but make them laugh

and do anything other than work really. We had a thing in our school, right? I don't know if I can talk about this, but I'm going to. Yeah. Where so many people

were smoking weed at lunchtime that one of the teachers came up to me and was like, we know what you're doing at lunchtime, but obviously not me.

one of the teachers came up to a student and said we know what you're doing at lunchtime but we can't do anything about it because there's so many of you that if it came out it would be like news on the TV it would be like there's 30 schools out for summer our school there would be like there was this row of trees and everyone at lunch like a break time would just go up behind these trees I love it is the trees honestly like halfway up the field

The trees, yeah, up to the trees. You're going up trees at break time. We would go up, not me, mum and dad, I wasn't there. People would go up there. The trees. The trees, up the trees, a break time. Up the trees or around the back of the trees. You would say...

Because the thought of you climbing up the trees like some monkeys hanging in a tree, smoking weed is amazing. As in you would go up the trees, as in that would be what you'd say to get up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you would go behind the trees, not me again. Once again, not me. And there would be like 40, 30, 40 kids up there. Smoking the roach.

Smoking the roach. Whitmore on an old Uie boom. No Bluetooth in those days. No. That's what I was going to say. It was just Nokia's back then, wasn't it? I used to do a thing. Orange phones, wasn't it?

Like the orange... Yeah. And 30, I had a 30, 3310. But what I would used to do in school is, because I love music and I'm a real rock head. You'd make the ringtones. No, I would do that. as well. I had

big pin-pin-pin-pin by Jay-Z was my main ring tone on my... Were you a chab? Yeah, this is the thing. I like... Very much like I am now. Yeah.

I love metal, but I totally dressed like a chap. Yeah, yeah. And it was the same back then, but I would... And the same was, I listened to hip-hop when I listened to metal.

But, so I was like, I was in both camps. Yeah. I was in the grebe camp. Yeah. And I was in the chab camp. I was sort of friends with everyone. And it sort of meant that you,

just didn't get shit off of any of the hard people. And people knew that I played drums. Like I played drums in the school band. When you play an instrument, there is a respect. Just get good at your instrument. And then there's a respect from everyone in school. But also my thinking behind being in the school band was, I'd just like to my teachers and would just be like,

I've got to go and rehearse for the school band. So I would just get out and just spend all day in this little drum studio. Isn't it mental that you could leave maths or whatever to have a music lesson? Yeah. Probably. But I think now, back now to me playing drums then and the stuff that I was doing then was if I'd have stayed on that path,

as much as I was practicing in school, I would have been shit hot. But you're still a ripper, and you don't suffer, because you are the frontman, you don't suffer from drummer frontman syndrome, which is what I have, which is where my ego and sense of self-worth, earth so rapidly fluctuating that I need constant approval.

And blast beats. And blast beats. So I've got a bit of a chip on my shoulder about being. Get down. Get a down. Get a down. He's a van. I've got a bit of chip on my shoulder about just being the drummer.

So I started podcasts. I had the thing. I was in like four bands before architects asked me to try out. Four different styles of bands. Singing or drum drums. Just being drums. And then suddenly architects. go, do you want to be the singer in our band?

Yeah, do you want to try out? How did I know you were good at singing? I was in another band where I sang. So I was like having five band practices a week because I was so desperate to be in a band. So it would be like, I'd go to work, I'd take my cymbals and snare drum to work, go and rehearse, come back, go to sleep, wake up, go to another rehearsal.

Like it was full on and all these rehearsals would get booked around when I was having rehearsals with other bands. Johnny five bands. Yeah, I know. It was just so desperate. And then and also, because there's not a lot of

drummers, is there? Back then there wasn't. Back then there wasn't because you had to be good. Yeah. But now you can pretend to be good on the computer

and then by the time people watch you live, it's too late. They've already bought a seat shirt that they're invested. We, invested. So then I enjoy,

I started, I had the syndrome of like wanting to be at the front and overcomplicated everything and being out of time because I was showing off and standing up. doing a Lars and standing on my drums

and I never actually did that but I was singing in a couple of the bands like backing vocals and in one of the other bands of singing probably but I joined a band with a couple of other people with Benny from Dead Swans who's playing drums

great drummer. You started a band called Monuments before monuments. And yeah it sort of sounded like hopesful-ish and then we support our first show was supporting Bring Me at the Concord 2

and this was years and years and years and years ago but they all came down because they're all friends would bring me and Matt quit the old singer of architects quit that day or the day after or something and they'd already been like we would like him to be in the band.

What does he do now? I don't know. Not in music or anything? No. Got it. I don't know the guy. I don't. God, imagine leaving that.

Yeah, it worked out. It'd be like, you know you always hear about like, oh, my dad, my dad was asked to invest in mobile phones and he turned it down for Froyo or something. And then it's like, yeah, we could be rich if it wasn't about it. You always hear that. Yeah. That's the guy that quit architects.

Yeah, but who, it might not have been the same as... It might be happy. He might not be as riddled with depression as we are. moving swiftly on from there yeah I had something else to say oh no my I was pointless but when I was in school this is my little hack any school listeners

which I'm sure there is loads of you sorry about the swearing but it's cool isn't it fuck fuck shit I used to have oh it doesn't matter now actually this is a pointless bit of technology back in the day when you had wired headphones I used to have my...

Up the sleeve. Yes. I used to have my CD Walkman. If anyone doesn't know, a CD is sort of like a disc-shaped object that contains music. It's like a DVD you can only listen to. For anyone that had DVDs before Netflix. Yeah, and a DVD is like a CD but with vision.

We've got the audio version is what we call a compact disc. Anyway, I had my compact disc player... Jobproof. In my pocket. Jog proof, of course. And then I had the... The cable going up my sleeve out of the hand. And then I would lean on the hand.

And then I would lean on the hand. So I would listen in mono to whatever was going on at the time. And that was it. Poison the Well probably. I probably listened to Poison the Well. I was listening to a lot of misery signals in school. I never got into misery signals. That record. That big record.

The first. The one with the China. I feel like. I've talked about it before, I think, on the podcast. I feel like I need to revisit the early misery signals because I think I'd like it now. At the time, I didn't like it. Yeah, give it a spin.

That old one's great. I'll get back to that. Let me look at my notes. We'd probably talk about something that's relevant now. You love the Beatles, don't you? Yes. And you just did something at Abbey Road? Yes.

Yeah. Did you? Did you? I did, yeah. you might. And do you know what afterwards I felt a real low after when I left there. That evening I felt Paradise syndrome. Yeah it was like just a

thing that I never ever thought would ever happen. Be recording in Abbey Road. You know you just assume it's for you know you're Adel's nowadays and you know when McCartney wants to do another record and there's so much history and that room hasn't changed. You know every documentary and every book I've ever read about them is set in studio two. And you were in there?

Yeah. Singing along. I played on the piano that they recorded While My Guitar Gently Weeps and Lady Madonna. Jesus. What did you play? I saw a video of Fred playing something funny, but I can't remember what it was. Oh, there's the piano from the Harry Potter theme tune.

And he's trying to play the Harry Potter theme tune. And it's the actual one that was recorded there as well. It's amazing. But the history of that room is, you know, incredible. And for me, for, like my childhood growing up, it was the Beatles household and stones and, you know, you name it. So to be in there, it was quite emotional. I really wanted my dad to come, but he couldn't get the time of work. Yeah, it was just amazing.

But we did, we did Death is Not Defeat live with the orchestra. With an orchestra? Yeah. That will be out by the time this is out. Yes. That comes out tomorrow. Yeah. This podcast will probably come out a couple of days after that.

And we did change in house of life. by deaf tones as well. That's going to be so rigorous. With an orchestra? Yeah. Can't wait to listen if you haven't listened to it. What's it on, Spotify? It's going to be on Spotify, yeah.

Spotify session. Pause this now and then go listen to that and then come back. Oh, I actually don't because you might not come back. Once this is finished, then go and listen to it. Yeah, go listen to it. Beatles, I used to fucking love the Beatles when I was a kid.

And then I sort of stopped. Yeah. And I could probably sing every fucking song. I think I need to get back into it. That's it. That's it. But then it's almost, I can't express the amount of joy that I get from listening to that band.

And I think it's from my childhood. Childhood, you get memories. I used to have, you know, the one, you got the blue one and the red one, which is just basically all the fucking science. 60 to something hours.

I had those two. Again, this is pre that. This was cassette. I had those two on double cassette. Amazing. And I would sit in the back of my car when my parents, when we would drive stuck on holiday.

holiday somewhere and I would holidays vacation for Americans and I would sit and listen to it yeah I'd love it and even like the trippy stuff on Sergeant Pepper love the trippy stuff would like I would fall asleep and then wake up and be like what the fuck am I doing it's like yeah and the thing is the thing that's amazing

about it now is being a musician now and knowing what happens in studios and and you know how people can essentially just cheat if they want to like you say with like drummers you can be a shit drummer and sound amazing

and same with vocalists they recorded Sergeant Pepper on a four track it's fucking incredible we're on a two track right now we're half half of Sergeant Pepper right now yeah

and that's the stuff that really intrigues me because you're just like yeah that's why Lennon and McCartney is so revered but you know Harrison and Ringo also fantastic

which also proves it's a weird one weird segue this but it's the same with like black metal. I know you like black metal. I like black metal. There's two things in my life.

You told me it when I was going through a breakup. You were like, black metal will get you through the darkest days of your life. And then the Beatles get you through the best ones. So like when I was going for a breakup, I was listening to like black metal and I was like loving it. And when I started getting in, getting with Abby,

we got together, it was like, I was listening to. Beals, less black metal. Yeah. Yeah, I go in and out of black metal. But the same thing. a lot of that black metal stuff

I mean a lot of it's like questionable people so you've really got a vet you've really got a vet what you listen to because you're like oh I better just check that these people are oh they are massive racists I can't listen to that I like I really like mayhem but the drummer has said some crazy stuff and yeah

I now can't wear that that shirt and you don't is the thing is you don't really find out about it until someone else tells you and you're like what come on no they didn't and then you Google it and oh yeah but like a lot of with your wateen your dark funeral I think even something the other day was about

whattang I can't remember and what I'm just going on I'm going on the hipster stuff now because the hipsters know you can't be ignorant you can't be a bigger you're safe with behemoth real safe with behemer if you're real safe with

dark throne I think you're safe with dark throne I think they came out and said they're not or not in that there's nothing Nergel from behemath he like will deliberately say controversial stuff because I think he's bored but he doesn't ever say anything like really mental.

Outrageous, yeah. But a lot of that black metal, to bring it back to Beatles, is recorded on like four track, like one microphone for drums. And it's just a vibe. Well, there's that thing like the necro sound, isn't it?

They want it to sound awful. Yeah, essentially, you just get a church, you record the drums in a church with one microphone, and then you record the guitars through the worst album that you can find. You record the vocals through like a PS4 headset.

when me and you do Darby Day And they distort Let's talk about Derby Day Me and Sam So as you might have guessed Me and Sam are very good friends But what we do Because we live quite far away from each other

Is every sort of Every now and again on a Friday Usually a Friday night It started on a Friday night didn't it We were both like we're not going out I'm staying in Because we're like men now Men with partners

I found personally I don't really go out No because I do but not a lot I mean you've got friends where you live that's why you don't go I don't have any friends but when I

when I was younger I would like go out to try and meet girls yeah but now I'm like now I don't have any friends around here but I've just like I'm going to stay in on a Friday and if we were both in on a Friday we would deliveroo a couple of brew dogs get the PS4 party mode on and we would do

we would do FIFA games for a good three or four hours. Derby's around the world. All the big derbies. And then it would get like weird derbies. Like it would be like, oh right, let's go to China and find out who the derbies are there. Yeah, let's do Zenit, St Petersburg. And who's the other big Russian one?

I can't remember. CSK Moscow. So yeah, it started with Man New Man City. Yeah. And then it got to like, went from there. Went to there to like the Russian teams. And it was crazy. I loved it.

And when we still do it? But that night The big night was a speck That was one where like The next day you see people When they're like What did you do last night?

You go Oh, Stayed in. Derby Day They've got this new thing It's telling you about. It's a new thing, Darby Day. But

when you score a screamer and you're so shocked by it yourself that you scream down the PS4 microphone It's the funniest thing ever. And it distorts And then the other person says nothing. Yeah. Because they're so pissed off.

It's like, it's the equivalent of those memes where like someone does something naughty and then it cuts to the police. And it's like, they're the best memes. That's the equivalent. And I do love anything where there's like a physical element to the comedy. Yes. And I'll tell you what, Sam. Derby Day is very good for me. I just really like it.

Because I got no mates. You need to get out. Yeah, I need to get out. out of the house really, but I'm not getting out of the house. It's all right, but I also think, I think when you saw so much, no, but I think when you tour so much, you could just go into hibernation for a month.

If I didn't drag myself out of the house, and that's what I do. I could disappear for a month. I would always like, you know, there's a lot of stuff about that come, like there's a phone like a help line for mental health musicians and stuff like that, when that stuff would come out, not the helpline because that was recently, but when people would talk about it, when I wasn't touring,

much, I would be like, oh, oh, boo-hoo, you got the best job in the world, blah, blah, that would be that guy while I'm like working a job or whatever. And now I do have that job. I'm like, yeah, it is kind of hard. We have a thing in Brighton because obviously there's so many bands that we're all friends with, you know, Royal Blood excerpts, to name a few. We're all really good friends. but then like over winter or time off in between records

everyone's going crazy yeah because you know even with that you know Ali I'm with Ali in that as well because obviously me and him have so close we see each other every day poor him good dynamic yeah but we have this thing where we were trying to do

rock stars retreat where it would be like we need to all go out today and do something because we're all going to go fucking crazy but I think that's also why you see Ben from Royal Blood and Mike and Ali and myself and Dan and Josh everyone's so into fitness when they're off because it gives you something to like set your day up around

because otherwise you could just walk the dog and just sit down and do nothing and that's what your body wants you to do because you've worked so hard for however many months on tour but your mind doesn't want to do it your mind needs to be active because it's used to an insane amount of adrenaline it's so annoying as well because you can't physically go to the gym every single day because you get burnt out. But because you're so bored, that's what you do.

And then you get more burnt out because it's like, oh, I've been to the gym, 17 days in a row. And then you have, oh, better have a day off. And it's like, what do I do my day off? At all you get pissed every night. That's the other one, isn't it? And you can't do that. Can't do that?

Because you do that on tour. I don't want to be George Best. No offense, George Best. But that's what he did. He hit the highs and then was just like, well, fuck it. Did you go to Old Trafford the other day? Yeah, we are stones throw. from Sam's Macca.

Every time I'm here, I go there, for a coffee with my friend. That works there. Die-hard Man United fan. My whole life, yeah. Mum's from Manchester before anyone gobs off. And I'm a secret man-united fan because I was a Man United fan

for my whole childhood. And then... You put yourself through self-harm. With Reading, yeah. And then I was like, when I was old enough, old enough to go to games but not really old enough to like travel myself

to games then I would I think oh you know I should support Reading also with Man United a few years ago a few years back actually it's impossible to get tickets it was so hard I didn't know anyone at the club

I just didn't know couldn't afford a season ticket because we weren't here and I didn't have the money for it yeah but now obviously now they're just like now they're like yeah

coming for the eventers Like, come in, give you in the prawn cocktail suite, you know. So I'm up there in the VIP suite. This is the thing. I wore that Redding shirt at Reading Festival. And then Redding hit me up and we're like, yeah, you can have hospitality whenever you want. Amazing. And then they immediately proceed to do the worst season they've had in absolute years.

Please come down. And they're literally like, yeah, please come. And I'm like, you know what? No. Yeah. Because not only do I live two hours away now, but I live about an hour away from decent football. My highlight of one of my own. highlights of the Holy Hell campaign, which is very young right now, was a head of, my friend

that works for Premier League, he does like the interviews and stuff. Ash, he's a really nice guy. Text me, just being like, so David DeHia loves Holy Hell. That's mental. And I was like, I was so sick because I know he's a metal head. I know he listens to Slay before he plays and I've slipped on and avenge sevenfold, but I was always like, oh no, now. Surely he's got in the band. And then, yeah, to hear that, I was like, that's fucking sick.

That's crazy. Because he's the best goalkeeper in the world. In the world. Yeah. And he likes your band. And Petracheck was supposed to have a drum lesson with me, and he just keeps bailing. He's in my DMs, but he keeps bailing. Sorry, Craig, sorry, I'm just on the bench today.

Honestly, let me pull up, should I pull up with a Petter Check DM? Please. Let's see what he said. I know that the listeners now, because I am a listener, will be going, I'll be grinning, waiting for this moment. I've got to find it though. Can you search your DMs? Is that a thing?

I think so. Oh, I'll tell you what, I'll go to DM him and then the other stuff will come up, won't it? Let me just go to it. Petitschek follows you. My friend was speaking to player liaisons to try and get to hair down to the show, but then he had that worldly game.

I've ghosted Pettercheck. No. I've ghosted him. Oh my God. Right. Next week, I should be able to do something. Craig left. I've ghosted Arsenal's goalkeeper.

I can't believe it Replying now Look at the state This conversation is massive Reply to him Just me and P That was 2017 Oh

Is he still follow you Yeah He still cares then Unless he's muted you He must see all the shit Anyway so this is Arsenal Up until recently

Arsenal's number one goalkeeper He's won every trophy He just actually retired today Um He basically I think he watches My drum video on Vic Firth. He followed me. I was like, what the fuck? What are you following me?

Just thinking maybe it would be like a bot or whatever. And then he's like, yeah, I want a drum lesson. Like, it was when I was in Reading. He was like, yeah, you're not far from the ground. I can probably come after training. And then he's like, look, we're just having a chat here. He's like, yeah, enjoy New York because he's noticed that I'm going in New York, all this stuff. And then I hit him up, been on tour forever. Seems like I'm home for five months and I'm teaching. Let me know if you want to sort one out. He goes, welcome. back next week I should be able to do something and then I've ghosted him. Now what's happened

there? I have no idea. Maybe I just haven't read it until right now. Maybe it was in the move or something. Let's see what I was doing then. I don't want to... Because you can't just leave like... That's alpha as fuck that is. That is some big dick energy.

Fourth of April 2017. I just finished recording Stray. So you're probably very stressed. I was thinking about lyrics or something. That was a good time in my life. That was weird.

What recording being a good time? Yeah. Do you enjoy recording? Love it. You're psycho. But I love it because again, I'll just make stuff harder and make it difficult. I just booted that. I don't have to do vote.

I don't have to do. It's just booted your mic stands out of my. That's fine. I can edit that. Yeah, I do like it, but I'm not the vocalist. So there's a little. limit to what I can do and people aren't going, I mean, there's not really, but

there's no limits to what I can do. Once you're done, you can involve yourself in the rest of the record. We do everything, drums last. Do you? Yeah. So... Is that so you can move stuff around? Yeah, so in the pre-pro, because we do all the pre-pro and the recording in the same session, and it only takes

12 days. Yeah. So... It's incredible. So we... I don't want to talk about how long how long it'll take. Yeah, well, you have to, because it's pressed. Just for vocals. I don't even know how long this has been going, because my... my shit's not. People are still tuned in, though.

They've tuned in. They've seen me ghosting a pet of check. How am I going to win that back? Just message him to say, sorry, man, it must have. I don't know how this has gone part, like how this slipped away. I live in Nottingham now, don't I, so. Get the train. Yesterday, only yesterday, he was like, good thing about living in Notting in.

This is your impression of your voice. Good thing about living in Notting him is I'm two hours away from everything. Oh, that's my, yeah. Thank you. I can't put it. I'm actually just sort of put myself on the back foot because of this ghostly. You're flabbergasted. I can't believe

I've ghosted him. Did you think he'd ghosted you? Yeah. I just think he'd stopped talking. You would expect that. You would expect a multi-millionaire incredible footballer to be ghosted. Well, I got ghosted by Rio Ferdinand.

Exactly. You would expect it. But he was a fan of the band and he, like, messaged me, got his friends into the show like years and years ago, messaged me saying he was listening to follow the water on the way to training.

That's mental. And then I asked him for Champions League final ticket. said he'd let me know but that they were like difficult and they only got like eight each or something so I was like fuck it imagine being one of Rio's eight yeah and then now nothing but it's all good you might still follow me you might want to check because I've accidentally

goes to the premiership footballer oh no I was young as well you check every day yeah it's a scene yeah double tick double tick on Rio fucking hell I had a train of thought but I've lost it which is rare That's where I would have had an advert But I don't do adverts Oh, Squarespace.com Shut up

Me, undies You know what? You know what? Don't use Squarespace.com, everyone. And don't, do I do anti-advert So it's the same amount of time as the advert But I'm actually saying Don't use me undies, just go on A-Sos.

Yeah, I'll tell you what, Uh, don't use Trying to think of another one they all. Oh, audible. You know what? Buy the actual fucking book. You know what? You're all becoming idiots

from getting someone else to read it for you. So why don't you go to Waterstones or Barnes & Noble and get yourself a fucking book and don't fucking get Audible. While we're at it,

don't go to Starbucks. Google independent little coffee shop and go there. Let's actually talk about that though. Please do that because Starbucks is poison water. Yeah. But I will say this about Starbucks.

It helps sometimes. If you get a cold brew, it's very hard to get a cold brew. wrong because you can't burn it because it's brewed cold. So it's a good bet. But in the UK and Europe, like even happened yesterday on the drive up here, I stopped at Starbucks

no cold I could get. Got any cold booing? They went It's freezing out, mate. What are you doing? It's freezing out. I'm like, yeah, I'm still going to buy like a can of coke or something. I don't want the coat warmed up. Like, what the fuck? It's freezing. Luke, Greg. Freezing out. Freezing out. Is that offensive? Is that

offensive? I don't know. It's fine. I mean, I live. My family's northern, so it doesn't matter. I went to fucking Nottingham Forest the other day, back to football, to see Reading Forest. Forest won, but actually Reading beat Forest at home on Saturday, 2-0, if you're asking.

It doesn't matter, though, because that's not the game you were out. Yeah, because we're going down. The one that I was at, we lost 1-0. 1-0, always a good game. They are lovely, fun. Bovril, they have there. Big Bovril drink. A whole fucking ground reeks of it.

Yeah, I bet. Absolutely. It's great. They've got a vegetable. I think they've got a veggie pie in there. Corona, veggie pie and a corona for a fiver. Corona is there beer that you can have? That's a cosmopolitan place, isn't it?

Great club, isn't it? It is a great club. Wonderful club. And I'm getting that pink shirt. I bought the Rashford shirt yesterday made from recycled. Ocean shit. Yeah. That's all you.

In the collar it says for the oceans. It's literally like someone's gone, well, our biggest supporter is a Hamil Carter. So we'll get a little bit of. of the Shepard. Surprise they didn't give me a call for the advert. You would think. I reckon next album that would be your sort of shit.

For sure. I saw, you know, you could do like a Beckham thing. Brill cream. Where's Beckham's face tat? That's what I want to say. Has he got one yet?

Oh, it's got to be coming in it. Got to be coming. He's a gorgeous man. Amazing man. Amazing specimen of a man. Absolutely gorgeous. What a gorgeous guy. Anyway, another of me talking about

lovely gorgeous guys. I'm talking here right now I do a lovely gorgeous guy and I'm looking at my notes to sort of put this back on track a little bit but all of my notes are pretty crap I've got dogs

oh let's go you got a dog I've got a dog you've got a dog they've met they've met and then we've made them face time a couple of times they've got both rescues

aren't they yeah where did you rescue Sophia Sophia's from Romania they found her when she was four months old just on the street just like no parents nothing

so she was just fending for herself and then I rescued her with this charity called Romanian rescue appeal and you pay 250 quid and it pays for the next dog's flight so your dog's flight is paid for by somebody else

in their passport and then you pay for the next one yeah so it's pass it on and then I met her Ali drove me up to meet her she was at a foster home in I remember You were you sending me a photo when you went?

Yeah, and then just immediately fell in love with her. And she trusted me. She was, like, really nervous and scared of men because she'd been beating about and kicked in the face and all kinds of stuff. She's got a little dent on her nose where someone's booted her. And then the second time I went back, she just, like, ran up to me and remembered me from the hour of meeting her.

And she's my best friend. And you know what it's like And a lot of people Really don't understand The actual bond that you have It's crazy It's insane It's like a love like no other

Like I get it You get it It's incredible I feel bad for you Because after this podcast I'm going to immediately home To see my dog

And you're on tour for how long After this? Long time I'm going back home After Wembley to see it Yeah nice That's the worst Sometimes though

When you get one day Dipping. the dip in day, they piss themselves, run around like crazy, and then you're back off again. They're like, what the fuck happened? Apparently, Luna, Katie's told me today that Luna's just been attached to Katie

because I'm not there. Sof does that with my girlfriend, she just loves her, just curls up with her. Follows around, like goes in rooms that she doesn't normally go in. Like looking for you. Yeah. So like if my girlfriend will go to the toilet,

Sof never goes on the other side of the bed, And she now, like, goes on the other side of the bed and looks into the bathroom, like, what are you doing? Because normally she's scared of the bathroom because that's where I give her a shower if she's rolling fox shit. Classic. Yeah. And the word, do you get at this with so? I think we've talked about this before, but for the sake of everyone else that isn't friends with us, which is most of you people. I mean, no, I saw a meme, which is funny.

It's like someone, there's like an advert of people eating at McDonald's or something. and it's like a billboard and then they're all having fun and then somebody's next to the billboard with the McDonald's as if they're there and the meme said how I feel listening to podcasts which is sick

you're all friends here but when I come home from tour Luna goes mental for like an hour and then she cold shoulders me hard days yeah sof won't look at me but then so she also knows

she also knows when I get my suitcase out she knows what's going on and she will start cold job. Yeah, the suitcase is a big one. So before I left, I tried to kiss her and she was just turning her head away from me. And then the next level of that must be having a kid, leaving a kid.

Dan said that he had to, it was, like when they went to the airport the other day or whatever, Zephy was like, who are you for a minute? Yeah. Joel from how many says that happens all the time. Yeah. Mental. Scary. Let's not talk about that.

Dags. Dags. I think with dags. I think California's just done it as well I think where and the UK has done it where you can't buy puppies now Yeah Puppy farms and stuff which I think is amazing

Because you shouldn't be able to There's so many dogs that need homes Millions And it's so sad It's so sad that Obviously the Obviously yeah a puppy is amazing But you can get a rescue puppy

People People don't know how to look after dogs So I would urge anyone that is looking into getting a dog to look in shelters. Yeah. Because they know when you've rescued them. They know. They know when you've saved them.

And the way they look at you and how happy they are because they don't know what it's like to be loved. Like when I got sov, she didn't know what a ball was. So I would throw the ball for her. I immediately thought you meant testicle. I would throw the ball for her. And she'd just look at me and be like, what's that? That's crazy.

That dog wouldn't know that. She didn't know what leave was. She didn't know if she's allowed food. And now you can't jangle your fucking keys. She's going to go for a walk. You say the W word and she's like... The thing with Lunar is she doesn't have... Walk is fine for some reason.

Probably because Katie's got an Artingham accent. So she says a different. I say, walk. Walk. Oh, you take a dog for woke. She's like, what the fuck is that word? But keys jangling. There's like a...

There's a series of events and she gets like... There's a lemony snicket. There's a series of events, right? And she gets like... That's the worst Netflix series ever. Never watch it. No chance. There's a lemony snicket series of unfortunate events that riles my dog up.

And it starts low-key with putting on a pair of socks. If you put on a pair of socks, she knows this person's leaving the house at some point. She's like, this person may or may not be leaving the house. They could be cold, then could be leaving the house. I'm going to assume the sort of level of Let's maybe think they're going to leave the house I'll just sort of I'll always be prepared

Yeah I'll just raise my head a little bit And I'll sort of follow them around a bit See where this is going I'll duck my head back down But my eyes will stay open And then the next one is if you then open The drawer that the poo bags are in Downstairs

Then there's a, you're up a level I did this by accident the other day I put a pair of socks on because it was cold And then I needed a spoon To stir my tea and that's the same there's an exciting podcast, isn't it? I needed a spoon to stir my tea

and it was the same drawer as the poo bags and I opened that and that was it she was fucking there. But the final straw is if you, if there's any sort of noise like this of anything that's waterproof doesn't matter what it is. Any kind of waterproof jacket, anything,

she knows you're leaving the house and she goes fucking mental. She's a big dog. She is a big dog. Tall girl. L.D. So you're just here or just off the sofa. Yeah.

immediately and I did a podcast the other day with Justin from Paris Can I say that? Lovely guy This is actually coming out before that

So that's the next guest So I think I even fucking forgot What I was talking about Oh yeah no She was a She was gobbing off Like really bad

Like halfway through Just like talking to me And stuff I'm trying to do a fucking podcast Yeah Lunar None of that here We're on the bus

There's a baby on the bus There's a baby on board Baby on board Yeah. That's terrifying, is it? Yeah, it's cool. I'm just terrified for everyone that has a baby more than them because I'm like, it's like, to me, they're like made of glass.

Yeah, absolutely. And we all love her. She's amazing. And Dan's wife as well is amazing. And, you know, I think anything that we can do to make this journey into parenthood easy for them because it's not easy being in a band of this level. but I think the good thing is we are big enough where we can have a double bed in the back lounge

there's a fucking full-on bedroom in the back of this bus for the baby not even for the lead singer what it looks like is when I first started going out with Katie she used to live on a boat she was a boat broad and she used to live on a boat boats abroad she used to live on this boat and the bedroom looked like that

well isn't it this sort of girl that I go for boat girls are you technically homeless. They live on the water. Are you a pirate? Yeah, okay. You want to get married?

Do you want to get married? Now we're married. I'm married to a pirate. I'm half pirate. If I have a child, it will be half pirate. Do you ever think about having a kid? Does it put me on the spot?

I know. No, who's anything you? The problem is... Has your opinion of it changed since seeing your friends have kids and knowing that they are going to have kids? Because for me, it's made me

be like I would like to be a dad it would be cool I can't answer any other way than yeah because if I then have a kid and I have a podcast that says I don't want a kid You don't have to say yes or no

Just has it changed your Hey kid are you listening to dad right now Well dad was about to say That you are a mistake Your dad's also He's passed away from a heart attack Because me and Craig will both go from a heart attack Yeah there's a lot of stress in this bus

Not right now I'm quite sure I thought it chilled out. Chilled out entertainer. Chilled out vibe. Regarding the kid thing, I mean, yeah, definitely want a kid at some point. Yeah. But I sort of leave it in Katie's court.

Yeah, literally. Literally in her court. Because... When she wants you to serve, you serve her. Exactly. I'm a servant. Serve her the seed. Oh, Christ.

So, yeah, if she turned around and said, I want to have a kid, I'll be like, yeah, let's go. Let's have a kid then. and then that would mean we'd have sex and then what would happen is the penis would go into the vagina and then the

magic fluid would come out and that fluid grows into a wonderful hopefully wonderful child who hopefully doesn't go up of the trees on break time and smoke cigarettes and weed in the trees hopefully goes in the trees hopefully my kid will be the kid that starts to

climb those trees instead to get away from the fucking feds. Get away from the fuzz, up the fucking tree. Now we've gone full circle. The funny thing about this podcast is me and you will do this chat now and then we'll forget about this chat.

And I'll put it on the internet and we'll forget about it. And then people will start... Literally thousands of people will listen to this and start quoting it. Start tagging you and stuff. Start quoting stuff you've said. I kind of love it.

Yeah, it's great. without sucking you off too much it and it is weird because you're my friend so I can talk to you at any point that I contact but I choose to and that you choose to you can call me anytime as well

we do do that actually I talk to you more than any of my friends but I love the show I love it I find it very interesting I find it very funny and I know a lot of my friends that also find it very funny and my favourite was actually the episode with Dan

I just thought it was and that was really weird and the one with George as well because you're like hang on like it's like listening it's like being sat in a room yeah

with two friends where you want where I want to be like yeah that's it it's like the fucking meme my thing is like all the best ones and let's be honest

this is one of the best ones are like other people who I am friends with and that's why it's I'm not saying hey new episode every week or hey even new episode every two weeks

It's like when I can have a decent chat with someone that I know that I'm friends with, then I'll do it. Yeah. Because I don't want it. There's been some of them and they are still friends, but they are very drummy friends. Yeah, yeah. And it's more for the drummers. My favourite podcasts are just like two people that know each other.

Yeah. I'm in a bit of banter. I think also the good thing with you is a lot of the conversations that you have, or I'd probably say all of them because you're asking them to come on your show. You have mutual respect for them. Yeah, definitely. I wouldn't have anyone. I wouldn't do the whole like get someone on just to get listeners.

Which is a little bit what I don't like. I think people can tell that and I think that's why it's just a good, it's just like a free-flown conversation. It also means I'm going to run out of people. But it's a good way to make friends. I'm going to have to make more friends. I'm hoping it gets the point where people are like, can I come on your podcast? You go, no, Kanye, no. Kanye, absolutely not.

No, he could come on, but. Yeah. Kanye if you're listening But do you know what I mean? I like I want There's no There's been no dead air in this

No yeah It went off a tangent about football It's like you're interesting I think I think really I think especially in this In this sort of scene that we're in

A lot of like the music football Dog loving People can relate to the podcast Because you're not being Well serious all the time I love it That was nice Thanks mate

I took my tone down as well there I have a lot of friends And a lot of friends who are in bands And don't play the drums And they're like Or even like Just people And they'll be like

Oh yeah I listen to your podcast I'm like why the fuck are you listening to it And I'm like obviously thanks But why I think it's mainly so people can buy the shirts I think the shirts Are so good

That people are like It's almost like You know If you buy like a death heaven shirt you have to actually listen to him. Yeah, that was a big thing actually. Sunbeaver and people were like, do you like this song?

And they're like, who's this? Yeah, but Sunbao is banging. The best. Yeah, the T-shirts have been good. And the t-shirts are the reason where I can say, don't listen to orderball.com. Yes. Because I want people to get,

I need to monetize the podcast. So I can, no, they don't need to. I could have a fucking job in a bar when I get home. But I don't want that. But so I put a lot of, working and I pay these designers and I pay for good quality

t-shirts because I want people to be able to support a podcast but actually have something I don't want to do a Patreon it's supporting like an independent business like to go into an independent

coffee shop yes I don't want a Patreon of like you know pay this a month because then also that puts pressure on me and it's like begging yeah I'd rather be like

yo if you like these t-shirts it helps me out yeah pick one up and it also helps out the people that are printing them and it also helps out. Exactly. Shout out Rob's Grace

that allotment because he actually charges me very nice price to do this because he's a friend. Yeah. You guys actually flew me

flew Rob's Grace out because we were on tour for my Bachelor party. Yes, we did. We did. That was good. We didn't surprise to you. You just surprised me.

I'd had zero sleep. Yeah. You were very grumpy. I was in a fucking terrible mood because I had no sleep. Shot two music videos in 24 hours. My birthday was in

Joe's Grotto in Arizona which no offense because the owner Joe obviously is a nice guy or whatever but the drive to get there was mental the show was whatever The show was whatever 24 hours of being awake

shooting one music video in the middle of the desert Then another one And then everyone's like Oh we're going out to dinner And I was like oh yeah cool whatever And I get there He's on our bus Hanging out with old Scracy

That was nice That was a good fun It's a lovely day And the thing is Rob's Grace will listen to this one because he loves your band. Love Rob's. And he probably hasn't there. You go, Rob, you can touch your penis to that little

sentence there. He's got two kids, Rob's grace. That's all he's doing now is touching his penis. He's putting it on a loop. I saw you out a loop actually, Rob. You don't even have to do it yourself. I'll loop that for you. I've got a message from Ali Dean just now. I thought maybe he was saying something to put on the old pod. But it says safe travels home.

He's off for a run. It's just nice. Nice to see him. And then I've got a voice message message from Josh, which I'm going to play now down the thing. You know, I'm right, mate. I put my head on the bus, but you're still in the podcast. Say goodbye again. Lovely stuff. Speak to you soon. There we go.

That's just Josh Millerton saying it was nice to see him, and he's off to the gym. Josh Millerton? New shreddy Josh Middleton. He's so shredded these days. He's on... Taking it serious. He could do it eating a little bit more, but... Yeah. He's so... I went to the gym with him yesterday.

He's got, like, veins in his legs and shit. If he wanted to you know intravenously inject drugs he'd be spoiled for choice just just all over the place you got a new hot bod

hot bod. I've actually got that written down in my notes. New hot bod. I've actually written down new physique. Sam Carter's new physique. Sam Carter's Depression bod. Let's talk about it then. No, I just it's just been something to focus on really. Depression bod.

to take your mind away from having depression. Yeah. It's, uh, well, no, it's, it's, it's just nice to have something to do at home. We had a lot of time off. We got serious, isn't it? Yeah, we had a lot of time off. And, and I got a personal trainer to, so I would actually go to the gym. Shout him out.

He's a good lad. Rubin. Ruben. Go train fitness. At go train fitness. But I, um, I just wasn't going to the gym because I couldn't be asked. And then, uh, I got him. So I had to go to the gym because I didn't want to let him down.

And I was also paying. for it. Nice. And yeah, it's helped. I could still, I think I could do with, I want to cut back a little bit like Josh,

because I think once you, once you build the muscle and then you lose a little bit, you look a bit more shredded. You look even bigger once you've done it. That's the next phase after this tour. But when you're on tour and you're knackered, just want to eat and just fucking get whatever you can down you when you can get it down. And you kind of need the energy,

don't you? That's it. I can't smash the gym too hard on tour as much as I would love to. Because I'm doing an 18, 17, 18 song set every night. That's gross. I actually started on our last tour. I started going to the gym less. Yeah.

I started going every other day instead of every day. That makes sense. And I felt so much better for it. I think over-training is a thing. Massively. And I'm going to take a week off from the gym right now, just because I feel completely shit. It's a good way to lose some weight as well on tour.

If you're not going every day. I lose too much weight on tour. It's awesome. No, it's not. I like It's awesome in the sense of like You're not putting on weight Yeah but because

Because I could You know I could sniff a cake And put on a pound Yeah I think it's just I think it's how much lower body You use in drumming I think also a big thing is

Is just like How you feel Like you don't have to look a certain way It's what makes you feel comfortable And you know I like going to the gym It makes me feel good It makes me feel like I've got off

My ass in the day And It's good for the head head. It is good for your head. I feel like I might get a bit fat though, like as in, like, on purpose. Were you married?

Just like a little bit fat and I am, because at the moment I'm pretty shreddy. Yeah. And I don't think... Well... I think if I go on tour at this body weight, it's like the lowest body weight I've ever been. I'm just going to lose even more weight.

Well, you won't be having any of that Ben and Jerry's ice cream, would you? I wonder if this... I thought this was going to be brought up. Muppet. If anyone listened to the George Schmidt's podcast, where he talks about Ben and Jerry's vegan ice cream and I said, what did I say?

It tastes like ice. You are so angry. The eye contact changed. Because I loved it. I loved it so much. I'd have it quite a bit. You're going to say every day. I had a bit.

I went for a phase of it when it first came over and I loved it. I was like, this is the best ice cream. You never know. You never know. And my girlfriend, who's not vegan, she's vegetarian, but she's pretty much vegan. I'd always be like, This is so good, isn't it?

It's so good. She'd be like, huh? And I'd be like, yeah, yeah, go. And she's like, oh, I don't really like ice cream, whatever. And then I listen to your podcast, and now I can't eat it. Because I said, what did I say? It tastes like ice, like frozen ice with peanut butter in it. And you're spot on.

And it is good. But, yeah. And, you know, I'm a murderer. You're a piece of shit, yeah. I'm a piece of shit, yeah. This is the only thing in our friendship that's... But you know you're a piece of shit. I know, but does that make me worse?

Makes you lazy. Because I do cut down. Do you? You're one of these people that says they do. I think I cut down more than most people. You're aware more than most people, I think. Yeah. Which is good because I still think even one or two days a week makes a massive difference.

I'm not one of these people, like, I'm calling you a piece of shit, but you know it's in Jess. Yeah, yeah. I'm not one of these people that will go around and point the finger at people. Very much have friends that eat everything. Sam's a vegan if you didn't. No, no. If you don't know that, you're living on a fucking rock. But I don't, I do it for myself. I don't really, I don't, I'm not going to force anyone else to do it.

Because you can't, you can't force anyone to do it. I think it, it's counterintuitive when you do because, counterproductive, counterproductive. Because like that, that Peter stuff that they're saying, obviously maybe you can't talk shit about Peter, but I can. No, I can. Oh, good. Because they annoyed me recently with stuff they did with the,

shit like bringing home the bagels instead of saying fucking, bringing home the bacon. with the dogs as well my friend's dog blue and they're saying like those dogs should be bred like shouldn't oh yeah this is something about it was mad it was mad they just but they just do shock tactic stuff

I think and that puts more people off there'll be for every one person that goes oh yeah maybe I shouldn't say a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush or whatever they said like a fucking lejum in the hand I think the best thing with it is to be with people with veganism and talking about that stuff is to be the answer, not the question.

I don't question anybody, wait till someone asks you something and then give them the answer. Because that's when you know that they're actually interested in it. I think one or two days a week you make a massive difference from your carbon footprint. And that's the thing, yeah, you want to get off that. I imagine, because people just talk about this all the time, oh, sea shepherd, oh, veganism, oh,

fucking, you know, that horrible thing that happened. New physique. New physique. Siri just said new physique. And I was running off the list of things. How does that even happened?

How did that happen? Siri wants to talk about, Siri's got a fucking bone on for you. New physique. He wants to talk about the new physique again. Speaking of new physiques. So we play back one of my last voice notes from Fred. Oh, from Fred. Fred the fucking

Baker? Yeah. Drumtech Fred. I love a potato waffle with beans. Or a smiley potato face, they're nice as well. Never had a turkey twos or that ever.

Weird, aren't they? Never had a turkey twos or ever. They were in the schools, I didn't really fancy it. They were the original assholes and lips meat. They looked like a pig's tail.

Just like someone had just clipped off a pig's tail and fried it up and fed it to children. Golden days. Turkey Twizzers. Before, turkey twizzers and a packet of golden wander. Before,

what was your favorite crisps back in the day? That's chips to you Americans. I was listening, I was talking to some friends about this other day. Again, you've blurred the lines between podcasts and friends. Yes. I was listening to a pod of,

but it's talking to some friends. I like discos. What flavor? Pickle, like the pickle ones. Really salty. Was that the, A purple bag. Yes.

A purple bag of discos was quality. I also really liked squares. Tomlin ago. Yeah. And also I fucked. You know what? What bops. Skips.

Skips, bops. Yeah, you're right. And they still bop. They're vegan. A skips still going. Yeah. For some reason, I think, because I don't eat kids food anymore, that it just stopped. What was that?

You don't eat kids food? What was it? Mr. Craig Pop. Yeah, I'm a bang in that bag. There's pop tarts in there, yeah. And some squares as well, look. Ice Kris squares and pop tarts is a staple of my diet. I don't eat kids food anymore.

Actually, I do eat more kids food than most fucking children. But the thing is, I did that sort of as an experiment. Because I used to count on my calories and everything, and I would eat like brown rice and do all this shit or whatever. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to switch everything to... The thing about brown rice is it takes so long. Oh, my fucking God.

Does it ever? Honestly, you could take... You can put brown rice on the hob. Have a shit. Have a shower. Have a shave. Read the works of Shakespeare. Come back and you've still got 20 minute wait.

Adam Christensen's just walked in. And he's dressed like a sort of navy seal slash actual seal. Where are you going? He's going for a bike ride. He's got his little hat on. Look at his package. He can see that. His Vancouver hat.

His boot, look at his boot I want your reaction to the boots For someone who's like You're obviously quite cold because it's a cold day You're packing something in there Do you wear gloves as well? I was going to hope so Where are you going to ride to?

Very nice area Yeah Be safe please mate What are you getting your ID for? You're having a booze Such He's preempting himself Getting hit by a bus

one of the strangest man I've ever met there's nothing I can say here there's nothing I can say I love you mate so special have a lovely time shut this fucking door though we're trying to do a podcast love you

it was nice to see you probably edit that out yeah why no I don't edit that I'm joking I'm definitely not editing that out I quite want to do I wanted him to have his own mic there fuck me he looked

honestly he looked like the in Nicholas Caj and Sean Connery movie The Rock when the Navy Seals are going they're in their scuba gear to go and break into Alcatraz and what it looked like. Yeah.

He was actually just going on a cycle. With his little hat that says Vancouver on it. Just repping. Yeah. Reping his boys. They need the press. Do you get it all the time when people are like,

how does it work with one of your band is from a different country? How do you have band practice every week? You just go out of this. They just replied going, you're out of planes. Yeah, you're out of fucking airplanes.

Because it, I get that all the time. When Tom lived in LA, it was like, my flight to New York was shorter than his. Yeah. So it's like,

yeah. Easy. And no one has band practice. Every week. I mean, if you are a local band, have a band practice every week. Every week.

Until you have enough money to actually, like, record stuff. And then do rehearsals before tour. Not like you need a lot of money for that stuff, but when you first, start, well, I don't know. It's all changed now, isn't it?

I don't know how it is. I'd like to be a fly on the wall of like a... Only hell there wasn't a band practice until after the album was finished. It was all done as demos. Cyber. And then that's interesting. And to be honest, Australia's the only band that I've been in, which is the opposite, which is a lot of it's written in the jam.

You're punk, A.F. I know, but you would think, and in my experience of jamming, you're tired? Am I boring? No, no, sorry. I've got a coffee, yeah, I've got to drink. It's cold now. I'm going to drink it.

In my experience of writing in the jam, this is a bit of advice to anyone that is writing. Turn it down. A, turn it down. B, when someone else is trying to explain an idea, shut the fuck up and let them do it. Don't, even you putting your sticks down onto the drum while someone's trying to explain something.

Passive aggressive. A, passive aggressive, and B, very annoying to that person because imagine, like, I'm talking to you now, and that's going on. Like, you can't, that doesn't happen. But with Stray, for some reason, without sounding like arrogant, every time me and Tom sit down and we have a jam, a song is written in maybe four times the length of the song.

It's like 20 minutes in, we're like, oh, we've got a fucking... It's chemistry, isn't it? Sometimes it, sometimes that's all it needs. I wonder if it will peter out. No, I think once you got it, you got it. unless he or you suddenly stop listening to music and being influenced by the face. I think that's what it is. Influent.

That's a good point. Do you know what you want from a song when you're a kid musician you can get there? I always think that when I'm not inspired, all I need to do is actually just find a new band and then I get inspired immediately. Absolutely, yeah. And sometimes it's really fucking hard to find a band that you really like because you just assume that you don't like everything or that you know that you like.

Yeah. We'll go back. Find old bands. Get inspired by them doing cool stuff. This podcast is actually pretty good for me getting inspired. Or finding out about new bands because I ask people their top five bands at the end. Yeah, and also you're getting inspired by asking other musicians

what they do and stuff. What their vibe is, stealing their warmups. I get inspired listening to this podcast. Yeah. I hope people are inspired by you now. I think, and this is the thing again, we will go away from this thinking oh that was funny we talked about

the fact I'm ghosting Petacek forgetting we probably had quite a nice conversation about how you can fail at school and be on such a lovely tour bus genuinely serious moment when I was in school I had my eyes on one prize

which was I want to be in a band my dream in school was I want to be on Warpeda that was it because of Blink 118 too that was just that was it I love Blink. All I wanted to do was go on the WarpTor because I thought it was like the Holy Grail. And I was like, I don't care about anything else.

I'm just going to play drums as much as I can, be in as many bands as I can, and it will make it if I just think about that. And we did the Warp Tour like how many years ago. And it was one of my favorite tools you've ever done. I would never do it again. We can't now. No, you can't now.

Just hard work. No, not even that. Just I don't think there's, you wouldn't see Tool do it. you wouldn't see my sugar do it and I like to think of our banders progressive yeah well I just think the envelope

well and I think there's so much to our show now that like oh yeah you couldn't fight the show I watched last night you couldn't have on a warp tour stage it wouldn't be the same there's no disrespect to warp tour it's just you know I've already just sucked it off and said how much I loved it so I don't actually care

but yeah basically just if you want something hard enough just get it yeah and it's all in here that's the thing And I'm the same with people that drop off The people I used to play in bands with or whatever And sorry if you're listening or whatever

But it's always The ones who Who gave up just a little bit early Yeah And they went oh you know what I can't do this anymore I live with my parents until I was fucking well Well old

And then I in fact I now moved out around like 25 Which is still pretty fucking old I moved out Lost Forever After Lost Forever came up Isn't it moved out and then you know what I moved back

when I needed the money when I was touring and I saved the money and shout out to my fucking parents because you need like a supportive set of parents that will allow you to do that. I understand that circumstances and now like it's our job but you've got to not

give up and now they get to see it. Their support is shown by your mum coming on stage when you're playing ready to leads taking a photo of you. Elsa Reynolds but like you just got to not give up and I know that sometimes

you might not have a supportive parent or whatever but you still got to not give up and not in like the American way like never give up in your dreams fake it till you make it no just fucking work you keep fucking doing it nothing that is actually amazing

is easy yeah occasionally you'll get like an amazing easy thing by accident but only as a result of you working your fucking ass of I was talking about this the other day I didn't talk about it on the podcast a lot

in fact the Beatles were an example there's this guy I've talked about it before Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book called Outliers where he basically looks at the most successful people in history and he basically comes up with this formula where all of those people spent 10,000 hours in one way or another honing their craft honing their craft and it's weird when you read back it's like it's not it's not the Beatles had 10,000 hours of of being the Beatles, it goes all the way back

to when they were before the Beatles, they were on that Berlin fucking... Yeah, and they were literally recording, they were like playing live for like 11 hours a day. Yeah, and like, eventually,

and like weird stuff, like Wayne Gretzky and stuff like that, eventually you get to your 10,000 hours. It's like Ronaldo. Which one? Like, Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Ronaldo, current,

CR7. Is not, was not as naturally as gifted as Messi. That's not to say Messi hasn't worked 10,000, hours and hours. I'm sure he has. But Ronaldo is like,

I'm going to be the best in the world. It's like what all those are those the boys used to say. Yeah. And he used to just stay on the football pit like Beckham. Stay on the football pitch for hours after practice. Practice your fucking ass off. Yeah.

And get it. And I see a lot of people who are like, who are the people that back then, I remember this. I don't think I've talked about this on the podcast. But I remember, it must have been whatever the last, not the last World Cup, but the one before it maybe,

or maybe the Euros before the last one. I remember meeting an old friend of mine in a bar, just bumping into him by accident, watching the England game or whatever. And he was like, oh, you're still trying to make music work? In my head, I was like, I was like, yeah, still doing music. And he was like, I was like,

he was like, oh yeah, he's still trying to do metal, still trying to make a career out of metal and all this stuff. And in my head, it was like, just after I'd, not like a brag or whatever, but it was like just after I think that I'd finished sorting out my house or something like that. Yeah. In the back of my head, I'm like, well, I haven't done anything that isn't metal for a long time.

I don't live in my parents or anything, you know, whatever. Yeah, yeah. And I just remember thinking in my head, like, there's a point where I could be saying all this stuff. I'm not going to do it. I'm just going to let him. And he was like, you're still trying to make metal work, all this stuff. Like, the thing is, with metal, like,

there's always going to be a limit there's always going to be a ceiling and all this stuff blah blah blah you're going on for fucking ages and I'm like in my head and then at the end I go what are you doing and he was like

well I'm working in recruitment and I do a covers band at the weekend I was like okay all right mate I always have that and I just think have it with people from school that like you see every now and then just have an idea

and like you know how's the band is this and I always just like yeah all right it's all right fine I don't have to I don't have to

prove anything to those people but then when that stuff sort of happens you're like well fingers with metal just got a glass scene it's like

yeah my band's got fucking blast beats we're playing Wembley Arena yeah shut the fuck up yeah

and it's those people who gave up are actually I'm never gonna make anything out of this I need to make money they have to prove that to themselves

so they can sleep at night and yeah 100% that's right and then what happens with those people as well is they are always the people

that get to like sort of 30 this is maybe I'm talking about maybe five or six years ago. But there's the people that get to like 30 and they're like, fuck, should have given it a go.

And I still get messages from people I know and they're just like, and it's nice. They're like, I'm really proud of you, blah, blah, blah. And in my head, I'm like, I just didn't give up. Yeah, you just don't. You don't care if you don't have any money. You don't have anything. It doesn't matter.

Yeah. Nothing, like the thing about this band and the thing about being a musician, I never did it for money. I never did it because I wanted people to say that I was a good singer or I wanted to be in magazines or anything like that I just wanted to be on tour my mate. Didn't want to have normal jobs. That's it.

That is it. 100%. Everything, all that stuff, like the money side of thing is being able to move out of home. Amazing. I still don't bought a house. You know, I'm still just,

I just love being in a band. That's it. I don't do it to, like, so people go like, oh, you look cool and all this sort of shit. Yeah.

It's like, I don't know, just don't, just, the moral of the story, just don't give up. When you get to the point when you think I could give up now,

just don't fucking do it. Everyone that I know that hasn't given up has made it. We all quit our jobs at the same time. Architects. When was it? I remember exactly when I quit my job before. Just when I had no... Just before Hologramal, I think.

I didn't even have a ban when I quit my job, but I was doing drum teaching. Actually, I was half working in a warehouse, and I was half doing drum teaching. It was just before we went to America the first time. Free... So you haven't had a job job for 11 years? Yeah. pre pre hollocrylough crown we went to america and we lost so much money

it was just insane suicide silence dillinger pulled out and it was mere in the end yeah that's we did the tour because of dillinger and then dillinger pulled out and it was like a week before it was like and then it was mosh time oh my god what's happened people were like straight up turning around front rows like all turning their back now he's laughing

me exactly Also, funny about the The white, the red print on the white long sleeves that I've got Yeah. Which are sold out now everyone. Obviously. You all took a long time to get those

But basically I've got my two Fashion Easter's which I'll run All my merch queries by And it's Sam Carter and Drew from Australia And I sent them all six Possible colour ways, both of your immediately, red on white. And then when I sell it,

it's the least favorite one. But what's going to happen now? I'm going to wear it. Drew's going to wear it. Drew's going to wear it. And it's going to, you're all going to be like, whoa, I need one. Where are we going to get one?

Well, you fucking snost. You snost and you lost. Don't snoss. All you need to know, right, is... You snod your laws. People like Samkar and Drew from Australia. Drew, Giorio. are ahead.

Dedicated followers of fashion. Yeah, and they're ahead of the curve, all right? So, you know, just try and rethink your purchases, guys. So thanks for the purchases. Thanks for the purchases, it allows me to do stuff like this. And also, the good thing about this is I came to this show to see you guys and just hang on. Tax deductible, isn't it now? Because I've done a podcast.

Oh, yeah, nice. I want that lunch I had yesterday. Tax deductible. Petral, tax deductible. I'm a podcast host now. Should have taken me out for lunch for it. I should have made instead. I had your catering,

which was lovely. It was amazing, yeah. Fully vegan catering. Yeah, full. Very nice. Very Morrissey. I was talking about this that's meant Morrissey

without the sort of getting booted off the tour if you slag him off. Well, yeah, because all the like crew and rigors and stuff hate it. Oh, did they? Yeah, they're all moaning about it.

They've been told to shut up. They might have. Because they've been moaning about it like next to us. It's like, but it's like, quality vegan food. Yeah, the reason we have it

is because we used to have or normal stuff as well, like meat. Not normal stuff. I'm not going to say that because it's not normal. We used to have stuff for everybody. You used to have the flesh. The flesh.

The flesh. But then we would be sound checking and come in to eat the food and the meaties would have the vegan stuff on the plate with the meat stuff and all that would be left would be the meat stuff that we couldn't eat.

So we just had to be like, well, it's our money. We're the ones that are essentially paying for the catering. It's coming out of our budget. budget. So, fuck it. If you don't want it, go to McDonald's. Exactly. I'm also one of the only people that I see

doing this on a tour where there's vegan and meat options. That I will, even if I think the vegan option is better, I will eat the meat option on tour at catering because there's always less of the vegan. Because I can eat the meat. And then you get the other people that do the high and mighty at the catering.

I've had the vegan option today. And they love to tell you. They love to tell you, but actually you're taking food out of the vegan people's mouths. Oh, I've actually been vegan for a whole day. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so that's why I didn't have another lovely mushroom burger. I've actually been doing it for, we've been doing it for nearly seven years now.

Seven years. Yeah. When you came to CSN daybreaker. A couple of you weren't vegan when I first started working. And you just turned up at our house to hang out. Yeah, because I, like, knew you, and I knew Tim a bit, and you were recording, it's Daybreaker, I guess. Yeah.

And then I popped over. Where was the house? Woking on, somewhere around, Sandhurst. No. Somewhere around, Reading. Yeah. It was amazing, though. Winnush.

No. Wherever it was, Yately. I got pulled over on the way back from there. Did you? for air drumming in my car to Slayer. On my own. On my own. And I got pulled over and breathalized.

So, you're doing a bit of swerving back there. What are you doing? And I was like, air drumming to slay. Did you tell them that? Yeah. And one of them was like,

mere respect. My respect. He didn't have to breathalize you. He didn't say respect. But I got breathalized, yeah. And then, I think that was a lucky coincidence. Yeah.

Because when you needed a drum tech, I was fresh in the mind. Yeah. So I was like, Lou Kang. What about that kid? What about that lovely guy that I used to know?

There were kids back then. ago. Yeah. And then that rekindled our love for each other. I love. And Dan was like, yeah, it's good him. His Dan sounds like that. Yeah.

Yeah, it's good him. I got a weird. I got a weird. You want to come on tour with us, Craig. I got an email. No, a text from Dan. I don't know. Got my number off Tim or whatever.

And was like, yeah. And it was basically full of office quotes. And then I returned some office quotes. And then it was immediate. It was like, okay. Yeah, we're going to get on here. Now we're bezies. Yeah.

And again, yeah, I was a terrible, terrible drum tech. No, you were great. Was I really? Yeah, you were. He just put me to bed a couple of times. Not going to the details of it. But they were different times. There was a lot of alcohol then.

A lot of alcohol. Should do more now, but it would kill me. Yeah, a long old set, though. Yeah. A couple of times you had to send me home, put me in my bunk. Imagine doing that, and the drum tech still am in his job. You're too drunk, go to bed. And then I go.

now wake up still got a job. In fact, everyone's like, yeah, you were funny. I've never had to put Freddy to bed. And he's a consummate professional, that's why. I guess we're done. We've got top five bands. You want them? I'd love them.

Say, number one is the Beatles. Obviously, you've done that. You don't have to talk about them. Number two. Blink late 2. Nice. Favorite blink, album and song. People love this bit, by the way.

I do it to fill time. but people love it. It's a tie for me. Yeah. I'm going to go self-titled. Because I love self-title, but I love the drum sound on Take Your Pants and Jacket. One of the best drum sounds.

And the drum parts as well. Some of the fills in that. Yeah. There's a song called Here's Your Letter on the self-titled, which is amazing. I really like the song with Robert Smith as well. So that was super cool. Nice.

nice emo vibe. All right. Number three. Not in order, but... Not in order. I'd say death heaven's all of my favourite band. Nice.

I own all their records and vinyl, so I think... That counts. You can say that. What's your favourite one? Obviously. Oh, is there not an obvious?

It's not obvious. I really like New Bermuda. You like it more than Sunbaver? I think so, yeah. Wow. Sunbaver is phenomenal black metal album. It's incredible.

I love New Bermuda. I love Sunbauda. I love a song Luna I wish that I did But I don't think I gave that album Much of a chance Go back I think I need to

I'm really guilty with that with like TV shows as well Like that's a comeback Because that's another song on that record You know this about me I'll do the first episode Of a fucking TV show And I'll be like

That's dog shit And I'll talk about it on the internet And you're like You fucking miserable bastard Watch the second episode Pretty good Yeah you were right Yeah you did that with

Stranger things Stranger things I was like Fucking kids shit And then you were like You miss miserable old wanker

what, listen to, listen to, watch another one and then watch the second episode like, yeah,

it's good in it. It is good. It is good time. Right, you give me three? Three. It's hard.

I was thinking about this today. I think it's a tie-up between, I know it's a really boring, aren't it? Navana.

I love Navana. I've always loved Navan. They're very deep hole in my heart for Kurt Cobain. Just the coolest guy. RIP, if you don't know

Kirk Cobain sadly died recently in 1994 Was it 94? I don't know I say Courtney Love killed him Does that mean we get in trouble? Depends who listens to this I guess But we don't really know

I don't know if she did But there's a lot of stuff around it isn't there It's quite interesting It is interesting But I feel like you can't just die Without a conspiracy theory these days If I died And for the record

Let the record show If I die and there's not a conspiracy theory I'm going to be haunting everyone Because I need a decent conspiracy theory Yeah By the way the government's trying to kill me Uh Four are you giving me four

I didn't give you the favourite album Oh go sorry It's an interesting one Is it? Yes Because it's a cover That they've Well it's a

It's the acoustic The MTV unplugged I know you shouldn't Say that because it's not technically an album I'm going to guess which song it is Man Who Sold the World Day Let me guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a great song. It's such a great song. Incredible version of it. It's the way that they did it. And also, I think the last song is, is how did you sleep? Tell me how do you sleep.

And his voice is breaking and stuff. The last scream ever recorded by him. Oh, his voice is. The whole night through. It's fucked. That is like, there's on YouTube, YouTube, on YouTube's. On YouTube, which everyone

will know is the platform in which you can watch videos online. You can listen to just the stem of that vocal and it is powerful. It's one of those like actual hair on the back of the neck stands up if you've not had a haircut recently. If you have, my hair's looking very fucking good. A number five. It does look good actually. Thanks, man. We're done. Number five. I've got its nice champion beanie on though, which you've also also complimented today on. It's quite expensive for a beanie, but I saw it.

And I was, you know what, I've got a little head. I know you're trying to do number five, but I got a little turtle weird ed. Beanie's looked bad on me. But I found a beanie that didn't look bad. And I was like, you know what, I've got to buy it. Yeah. It looks good. I think once you find a good beanie, go with it.

Yeah. Because they're hard. Yeah, very hard. And also, if you have got a little weird little turtle face like me, get your neck tattooed because people are just looking at that instead of your little turtle head. Number five. Number five. is Kendrick Lamar.

Is it? Top five. Sam, Samuel David Carter's top five. I had to just think about artists that own all their records because I think that's the sign of actually appreciating an artist. Which favourite, to Pimp? That's genius. Yeah, it's incredible. Absolutely genius.

Actually, like the one he released that Untitled Unmastered in Between as well. Untitled 3, I think like the third track on that, amazing. It's a bob. Yeah, it slaps, it fucks. You know what I really like about him, I really like that he plays with a full band.

Yeah, so sick. I love how tight his band are as well. Who's playing drums, you know? I'm not sure. Someone that's incredible, rare. But there's footage of him on Saturday Night Live around to Pimper Butterfly. I feel like I know, not only know who played drums.

Sorry, carry on, I'm going to find out who plays drums. The On To Pimper Butterfly on Saturday. Night Live and it is incredible how tight it is. Around that era, a mixture of songs, but it's a bop. It's a hit. Rico Nichols, I don't know who he is. Doing a master class though in Paris. There you go.

Shout out Rico Nichols. Shout the fuck out, Rico Nichols. And I just like, I like Ken Jutriman. He's 20 fucking five. I like Ken Jitnamar. I like the fact that he's just a nice guy, creative. Very creative. did you see that thing the other day

I don't know Maroon 5 said the opposite but still annoying as fuck the guy from Maroon 5 was like I thought in my head I'm thinking he said there was nothing interesting happening in hip-hop he said there's nothing interesting happening in rock

yeah and I was like and he said that everything interesting is happening in hip-hop and with Kendrick Lamar yes a lot of interesting stuff's happening but Marine 5 I'm afraid you're not the authority on what is fucking happening in rock

you did an advert for Kea where you absolutely murdered Bob Marley's three little birds fuck off sorry Mrs Reynolds Miss Mrs. Mrs, she's married

She just gave me a look They're all scared You're like Miss No no no she is married to Ian That annoys me that he thinks he can say that It just really annoys me You don't understand mate

Because he's not In that scene He's not you're not he's not going to clubs that are like three, four thousand cap or underneath that and understanding how good a scene it is. Who are we talking about? My dad or Adam Lee? No, I'm talking about Adam Dvim.

All right. Your dad gets it. Your dad bops. He does get it. He's not going to see it in your little, like, L.A. little restaurants, are you? You're not going to see it. About as rock as you get is, is the MTV Music Awards or whatever it is. Taylor Swift has a distorted guitar.

Oh, so you can shove your video. You can shove your VATO. You can shove your vintage Metallica shirt right where the sun doesn't shine, right? Yeah. He's not welcome. And on that note, on an hour and 42 minutes in, we're going to fucking leave it.

It's a bop. It's a bop, my friends. Thanks, mate. This has been great. It's been really fun. Let's get another coffee. Love a coffee. Then I'm going to drive because I want to defeat the traffic.

I'm going to leave. All right. Thanks, mate. I love you. Goodbye.