The Downbeat - Static Dress (Olli Appleyard + Sam Ogden)

Episode Date: July 13, 2023

My guests this week are Olli Appleyard (vocals) and Sam Ogden (drums) of Static Dress. We talked about the sometimes unfortunate downfalls of being unapologetically yourself, their recent signing to the prestigious Roadrunner Records, being invited to Bring Me The Horizon's Malta weekender...and much more. As they weren't on tour - accomodation for the guests on this episode of the podcast was paid for by the lovely people on The Downbeat Patreon. It's a quid.

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I saw them at download. They had a big crucifix at download with their old bassist. There's a little bit of info. Their old bassist was crucified on stage. Very weird, very strange. I caught up with them before all. all that, so we talk a bit about that.

Lovely, guys. Again, thanks to patreon.com.4 slash the downbeat. They weren't actually in Glasgow. I just paid for them to come up. I am reinvesting your money into this excellent content. Static dress have a redux of their album. Rouge Carpet Disaster. The Rouge Carpet Disaster?

Coming out on September the 15th on Roadrunner Records. You heard me right. Roadrunner Records. Congratulations to them. That's huge. Sepulchura. Lip-knot, you know, others, machine head. Don't know if they're still on there, but back in the day they were.

They're also going on tour with nothing nowhere in September in the US of A. And their headline tour, I'm not reading this. I know this off the top of my head. Their headline tour starts on November the 9th in the UK, and it's already selling out. You can get tickets to Staticdress.com. It's Ollie and Sam from Staticdress on. the Downbeat Podcast

You'd be getting banned on everything for that If, yeah, I'm close anyway. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Sam and Ollie. It's that address. Thanks for coming. Oh dear. What? Are you? Why? What? You said, oh dear.

Yeah, I was just like, this is just going to get funny, isn't it? What are we supposed to? Good. You've come all the way here. We've come so far, and I was literally across the hall the other day. All right, so what's the story here? So, I was at a festival this week. called Northern Unfest.

Yeah. You heard it was my friends Ben and Sean from Northern Unrest, putting on a festival. Lots of UK hardcore bands and then headliners from like the US and everywhere else. And yeah,

I was stopping with some friends and we had the Airbnb located somewhere in the area that I'm not allowed to disclose. Do you know what's funny? Because I went, I did, I wanted to go and I had two podcasts that weekend.

You were actually going to go? Yeah. Well, like, because you had grid iron was on. Yeah. Was it the Friday? Yeah, the Friday. Yeah, the Saturday was mine force.

Mind Force. Who else played? It was sick. There was a bunch. Oh my God. Let's go through it. Hummys in TS Walspike played. Despise.

And it was, where was it? Because it looked like a US hardcore show. It was in, I think it's called Community Central Hall or something like that. It was sick. It was sick. It was sick. It was sick. And you know what?

I'm going to sound so old saying this. But the fact that we're seating is insane. What for you? Yeah. I was just like, this is so. good like my I have such bad shin splints at the minute because I'm wearing vans all the time and I was like I actually I'd run around for two minutes and I'm like okay this hurts now so I need to sit down so it's that is that from growing killing on stage um honestly probably but it's also from I just wear nothing but vans so then when I go on like long walks and stuff I'm like oh this is hell on earth now normally I'd say let's not roast vans but they did tell me they were going to send me some free vans recently and then didn't so so let's fight you know Do you know what? It was really hard. They're the boys as well.

Like my good friend Sam there, who's a designer for him, they're fucking really, really good. See, I play in old schools, and I play the drums in old schools, and I always have. And then a guy hit me up and was like, oh, we're going to send you some fans.

I was like, sick, because I'm about to buy some for tour. Didn't fucking send them. Yeah, we had a similar situation with another company. Oh, yeah. But we wear those all the time as well. We wear those all the time as well,

but we can't disclose who that is. Well, I know who that is. Well, no. I'm not even going to say. So, yeah, we put in one order and then we chased it up and they were like, oh, yeah, we never got that. So then we put in another order and then never got that. And then we finally got an order in and it arrived. And I was like, oh, thank you so much.

And I opened the box and it just wasn't our order at all. Wait, it happens all the time. Do you know who I've got vans? And I give them the address and everything and it just doesn't turn out. I got vans. Brooklyn Brewery. All these people are hitting me up and saying, do you want some free stuff? I'm like, fuck, yeah, I want some free stuff.

And then it just doesn't turn up. It's whoever's in marketing is just like, yeah, no, fuck this guy. You don't get, you don't get the pass for saying, do you want some free stuff? It just gets our ropes up, to be honest, because I'm like, I can't even afford shoes. So when someone's like, oh, free shoes, I'm like, oh, I'll get the fuck in. And then it's like, we're walking around festivals. Oh, my God, it's a message van. Oh, my God, it's fucked.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, yours are literally falling apart. What are we rocking? What's on the feet? I've got, one. Lovely. Oh, do you got a. Yeah, it's a bit of a wedge.

So I can't find these anywhere. So this is my boy Sam coming through. Shout out. Get that on the, look at that, lovely. If you're just listening to this, you're an idiot. Watch it. Get those hamstrings tight. What are you got on, Sam?

Oh, cramped. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a drumming shoe, that. He doesn't need the ego riser on the bottom of his feet because he's tall enough. That's kind of sick, though. It's good until you step on off a curb and you're like, and you just roll your ankle like a dick. I just realized she said ego rising with your feet.

Excellent. funny. So what, so I saw, because I wanted to go at a festival, but I had to go pick up someone to do the podcast here. Yeah. And I saw a bunch of greboes. And I was like, fellow grieboes. What are they doing here? Maybe you were stood with them. There's a bunch of waiting for a cab or something. Yeah. And then I drove off. Yeah. And I was like, in my first thought in my head was like, I could have some friends. But now I know it's an Airbnb, just a Bribo Airbnb. Yeah, no, it was sick.

It was a really good festival. Like, shout out again. My friends, Sean and Ben, like they smashed it. And for a DIY festival to be put on that well, for it to be that seamless and that, you know, kind of good. Like, it was like, no alcohol in the venue. And I like,

good for you. No, it was. I'm going to have something as much. Absolute scumbaggery flying around. But it was just like, I don't know, the vibes were so different. Like, it was just, it was good. And it felt like everyone was kind of there for the right reason.

And I haven't been able to go to shows in about, seven months or something that paring night now you need it close to the mic this is where you can hit your ad real quick I mean it's actually sold out so it doesn't matter oh so poor me

that festival was sick because I know Ben Ben puts on shows here I mean they both do obviously but I only know Ben but it looked like at the fucking LDB festival like it looked like just like an American hardcore festival like I was meant to

to LDB and then we got um the sleeping with sirens tour came up and then we went on that instead so i had to like sell one ticket and all this other stuff so proper like that hurt but like you were going recreationally yeah fly yeah nice what the lineup was insane yeah it wasn't i was like yeah i got a go to um but then that talk came through so obviously we had to i had to sell one ticket and all that other stuff but for my friends who were from the u.s who came over they said the vibe was very much of something in america especially for that like mind force day it was just like everyone going off. Cut in, I couldn't go.

It was fucking annoying. Yeah, and then day after they did, um, what was it? I can't remember the opening band. I'm so sorry for that. Blood Fury, cauldron,

world of pleasure in Flying Duck. And I've never been to a show in there before. And that was, that was so good because, um, Gridiron played an extra two songs after. So they did like a secret set. Oh,

what? Yeah. See, I could have gone to that one. I didn't know, I didn't really know any of the band, so I wasn't going to go. But I, Gridiron was what I wanted to see and then I think it was a age of apocalypse

I think that's the time I always get them confusing with the band but they're really really sick as well like I didn't know them beforehand I'd just watched videos elsewhere and I never put the name to the band I do all the time it's really flying that's awesome flying duck is insane there's that just a little crazy room but then the downstairs bits like open and free and you can just hang it's nice it's good viz that I do food anymore do they not do they not it used to be really good vegan food yeah like I'm working there.

I'm pretty sure. And like last time I went, it was food and stuff. And then I got told that there's no food there now. So it's literally just that bar, big area, merch bit. And then the room at the side as far as I'm aware. Do you want to know? I was about to say a secret, but it's not a secret. If I say anything weird on this podcast, I've taken a lot of coding today to get

tattooed. I've fucked up my scheduling. Sounds like an excuse. I got tattooed. I mean, if only I had this excuse every episode. All right. It's fucked up my scheduling. I booked my tattoo on the same day this podcast.

We got it done, about an hour to spare. but you are the first I'm pretty sure you're the first guest to come at propos of nothing like you're not here on tour you've just travelled I don't know if that's a flex or a bag

considering I was over there 48 hours ago yeah we could have fucking knocked out then yeah let's not talk about I've literally I've literally gone from here to leads to back up I'm sorry but I was filming a video and stuff so it's cool it's um

Thank you. What kind of video? Music one. For your band? Or a different band. Who knows. This is where we're going to get into it. Is this going to be out by the time this is out? Thinking your head is fucking four months.

Yeah, it was. It was our video. All right. Okay, cool. For a song that's already out? So we've rehashed it. So we're doing a redux of the record that's coming out on the 18th of May. For an annual of the album coming out.

And it's coming out. you're allowed. Am I allowed? Well, I mean, yeah, because absolutely, you know, it'll be out by now. So,

we've signed to Roadrunner and he's getting released through Roadrunner. His eyes fall to the back of his head. Don't be exclusive. Yeah, Dan be exclusive right there. Buda-da-dum-dum.

God, I hated saying that. It feels like the longest secret of all time. Yeah, it feels horrible. Does that not feel, does that not feel like a weight off your mind? Fucking good for you guys. Cheers, man.

That is fucking awesome. I mean, you don't drink, but let's do a cheers anyway. You can still. It's bad luck. Is it? Yeah. You know that?

The bad luck police. Really? Right. Look. How bad is my look? Terrible. Yeah. Oh, stop chasing in water then.

Probably. It's probably a good way to start. But yeah, I have the worst look of all time, so I'll enjoy your to embrace. It's a moro-ma. Yeah. That's fucking sick. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of weird.

And a lot of money, was it? Now I'm going to start pushing for stuff. You can't tell me. Yeah. That's a, that's a lot of. stuff we can't tell you well coming from the background it's kind of come from where it's we did everything ourselves i mean we have done everything ourselves even now you know like this is a very recent recent signing like nothing's actually started really much and we haven't

received anything yet or anything so you know it's like literally only just been put through the other day or whatever you know test second second downbeat for you off screen yes um shout out is the is the deal good she's nodding yeah It's enough to be able to make it work. Did anyone just go, give us the turnstile tour? That's what I would have said, number one. Give me the turnstile tour, that's it. I mean, that would be amazing.

But, like, you know what it works. It's not like you're on the same label as someone you don't get the tour. Yeah, but man, once you get into that roadrunner world, you've got a fucking... Well, I don't know. This world. You got your roadrunners and your 5Bs,

and everyone's just going, oh, we'll salute you out. No offense, guys. But that's what happened. you want to have you some real? Yeah, I don't know. Wankers. Pricks.

Fucking pricks. Wicked though. Love it. You got to get a clip on that. Fucking pricks. You know. Love it. Yeah.

No, I don't know. I'm still of the mindset that we're doing everything ourselves. Like stuff's moving forward and the team's really good. And that was for me the defining factor of this because we've had, obviously, offers come from left right and sentence since day a daughter of this band starting, which is really, really, really cool and really, and really interesting. But all the offers were so low. So we were about to put out the album and the album was finally ready and stuff.

And we had a few people caught, like, we had some good calls with some really good people and some bad calls with some really bad people. And it just kind of made no sense to release a record through someone when we'd already made the money that they were offering. Is this for? This is a Rouge Cabot disaster. Yeah. Our, like, first album. So you've got shitty offers and you thought, let's just do ourselves? Well, I wanted to do ourselves anywhere.

Yeah. Purely out of principle of like, we've come this far on our own. and I was like, we're going to do a full LP on our own, because I've never put out an album. I don't know if you've, yeah. Never done an album before and I was like, if we have the option to do full creative control over everything, we'll do it. Like,

we worked with lags from Venn to get the actual vinyl done and we just paid him and then he did some distro on his end and we gave him some stuff. And then we just... He was sick, how old are you guys? I'm 24. I'm old enough. Is that a secret? You're fucking all. We've got a guitarist with a mask. I'm ageless.

Am ageless. Is that really a secret? You're not going to tell me how old. How old are look? Same as him, 24. Yeah, there you go. But is that the truth? Might be.

Oh, we're getting cryptic on this. Have you not looked at what this band is? You're like, oh, we're getting cryptic, bruh. Yeah, but why are you agreeing to be on a podcast if you're going to be cryptic? Funny. Yeah, true. Wining you up. Best shit ever.

Where's the, uh... Where's Marski? What's he doing today? What's the name? Contrast. Who? Stop it. Who?

Stop it. Who? Stop this. No. Stop. Stop this. Because I'm literally, I'm codeined up. I'm just about a beer and it's just that's twatting everyone.

I haven't even had a sip yet. And I'm like, what's going on here? So you're all 24. Let's just go with that. Yeah. Judge is 35 though. Okay. We'll put that out there.

Someone edit the Wikipedia. Yeah. One record self-released. Okay, hang on. So shitty, shitty offers. Did it yourself. Yeah, did it ourselves and that was the most rewarding thing because it was like, it came out. Like, on the night it came out, I was like, we've sent out all the pre-orders. Like, we had the option to be able to send the vinyl out early, like, from my living room. You know, like, so I was sending the album out.

So if you'd pre-ordered it, I was sending it out a week early. So everyone who'd actually invested in this band was getting rewarded by, here you go, there's the album a week early. And I'm like, I know that sometimes labels do that. Sometimes I do it by accident. Always by accident. always works. I don't ever do on purpose. Yeah.

And then they say, oh, it's a treat. Oh, oh, yeah. You get this exclusive then it's not. It's just a fuck up

on someone's part. But I wanted to make sure and like we put so much effort in all the way up until that point. I wanted to just see what we could have done on our own. And it, yeah, it did really well.

Like, I'm not talking like we've got huge numbers and were the biggest band in the world. But I know that every single person who's invested in this is invested purely organically. And that's been like the rule with this band since day, dot is all the numbers are real. Nothing's got the juice factor on it.

nothing's like in some algorithmic bullshit no one's paying an extra premium for shit to be happening recently found out about that oh it's incredible premium shit but I like I thought it was worse than it is yeah I'm recent it's like it's still pretty bad it's what is it's 20% of the royalties from the song that you get juiced yeah it's still bad for it's horrific yeah it's horrific I mean I don't like I think you've mentioned it a few times before there's certain bands that just keep coming up and there's certain bands that I've noticed recently who I'm like, I've been in one of your shows

and there's not even like 100 people there and it might even be a hometown, I might not. And your numbers are close to a million monthlies. Yeah. And I'm just like, this scene is not that big. This scene is not like rap where you can have millions and millions and still only pull 100 people because it just

doesn't work like that. This scene is like people go to shows who listen to it, even if it's just a fraction. If you've got a million monthly listeners, you can still probably pull minimum two to three hundred people per show. I mean, yeah, you'd expect more. But like I'm talking like absolutely minimum, you suck ass, like, whatever.

And the worst part is you get these booking agents now for when you're going over to other territories and stuff, and especially in our position, who will choose your billing dependent on what your figures are online. They're all like that now. Yeah, it's fucking horrible. It's mental, you know?

And it's like we went over to the US with love in November, December. And that was like one of the best, It was all as we ever, ever, ever, ever. Considering this band's, like, I don't want to say fan base or whatever, but like the listeners, there you go, was all based in America. We finally were able to get the chance to go and... Majority American.

Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah, dude. Here it's like only just starting to make some sense, you know? Well, that you wanted to be that way around. That's good. There's more people in America. Well, I mean, it was, for example, we were bigger in Austin for the first five months,

was a band than we were in the entire UK. Just Austin, Texas. So we turned up and played Austin and it was absolutely. What was the venue? Do you remember? I fucking love Austin. It was meant to be in this tiny room and then it got moved to outside

and it was like a thousand people there. It was like a fucking come and take it live? Possibly. It was like a shack kind of thing. There was only a PA on one side. And you like load out onto the street behind the stage. Yeah, I think so. And there's like a bit at the top

where you can watch from the thing and there's a bar inside. I'm pretty sure it's come and take it like. I'm not sure. I think it had a different name. I don't know. It was either way. It was mental.

It was absolutely crazy. Like it, we, we hadn't even started, and there's already people jumping off the stage. Like, our backing track started, like, intro goes. And then people are just front flipping everywhere. And it was like, okay. This is a bit. Because I turned up, like, and I'll admit this, I turned up and, like, kind of took a look at the venue. And I looked at the PA, which was, it was literally just a one-sided thing.

There was no like a scout hole. Yeah. It was horrible. The stage was, or the venue was. Well, the stage was outside. The stage was outside, yeah. Completely outside. Test.

Do we know which one it is? Somewhere on the tour poster. Oh, fuck, yeah. Yeah, right. And it was, it was, it was so wild. Because we took one look at it, and I was like, this is so weird. And then you stepped over to the right,

and there was loads of, like, what was it? It was like shops. It was almost like a car boot sale happening in the corner. And, like, food trucks and stuff. No, but I was just like, oh, I know exactly the fucking venue. Yeah?

Right, yeah, got it. And I was just like, this is, I was like bang those food trucks are banging though there's fucking good shit we got a remember i just remember buying a video of Lara cross what a second laragroft film and then ended up losing it so that was a good purchase a VHS yeah nice good artwork i mean you guys got fucking you probably got VHS players on stage and you yeah yeah we do we run right starting a joke yeah yeah we started running uh CIT TVs on the last tour I love to look at it was fucking good it's good I mean it's a bit it's a bit it's a bit it's a bit it's a bit

hit and miss. Like we did London and they just all crashed as soon as we went on. I just literally was like looking at George and I was like, yo. And he's like, synced up to stuff. How does that work technically? So you guys, you guys don't run a track, do you? Or do you run a, do you run a click? No. I run a click now, yeah, but we don't have time code. Do you just do it off your phone? Yeah, I'm fucking, I'm budge it. So we, we run it off a unit. And basically, that unit can spit out midi and what we do is we have a second laptop that that midi is spat to runs through a program called um ku lab through ku lab q lab is like a like pretty much like this kind of thing where it's like a you know a generator of different screens and stuff and the midi will trigger it going in through there

into that laptop and then bouncing back bounce that htm i feed out from that laptop into the tv into the into the converter box. I was going to say, into RF. RF split across two TVs. But eventually what I want to try to do is get RF wireless so we could end up having it all around

a venue. So you could have a stack of TVs in the middle of venue. Is this all you? Yeah, that's all, yeah. Don't give me cryptic answer. Give me the real answers. I'm going to answer. I'm talking backwards, eh? I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask you your questions to Sam.

Yeah, you'd probably get a better answer than me to be fair. That's fucking cool. that's one of the things that about your band from the get go like the image the visuals the way you're interpreted online everyone all of us lot like 2019 everyone was just like this man's cool as fuck thanks man i mean this was a thing for me because i came from uh being a photographer for bands like i taught with bands and that was my shit and that's all i did and i never had any photos of me online because my all my like everyone knew my account for being a photographer and that was it like there was never anything really about me

anywhere and then I was working with a couple of bands and I was like I have this idea I presented it to the people I was working with and they were like oh no I pass so I was just like oh I really want to do it so I basically got together some dudes I used to be in the band with and we did these two songs that came out of it dropped the first one and I was like right I'm going to do this campaign and I'll see how it goes with it and then I was like if I get 600 views in the first month I'd be like success I can make it work because I was thinking to myself I was like even if this just flops or whatever I I can run to a label eventually and be like, oh, hi, look, this is what I can do.

This is what I can make. And then it ended up doing so much better than I imagined. Like I was talking like Tom and stuff about it. Like Tom got in contact for me at the time. I was like, holy shit. Tom from Strait is like, oh, my shit. Because you have you. It's, it's sick.

I love Tom. Like I heard Tom a lot. Like without Tom, we wouldn't have got that counterpart's story way back in the day. Without Tom. I saw you on that tour. That was pre-pandemic. That was pre-pandemic. That was pre-pandem.

pretty you interesting yeah so yeah Carl Brownie definitely had COVID on that tour dude he started it

every like honestly he started yeah he fucking started Kyle Brownley started COVID for real like I remember we were playing Manchester

and they couldn't even finish a set like I think they got I don't even know I think they cut the encore or something Brendan's fingernails went blue

like he was just like I'm having asthma attack and my fingernails are gone blue and stuff like I remember being fine I don't remember being ill all but I remember all of counterparts were like

fucked like I remember I remember the only one who was actually okay even though he was dying um was Blake like getting through it you know like he was flamming up everywhere and stuff but he was still alright but everyone was so whacked out like and then the world ended up shutting down and then you saw the symptoms and I thought about and I thought back to seeing Kyle and how bad he was and I was like 100% COVID yeah and I don't think he got COVID again oh I don't think he got COVID in the actual shit so he's probably fucking I got

COVID when we told with Creeper. Did you get it as well? Yeah, we all got. Oh, we all got it. Oh, yeah, that was the worst thing in the world. What year? 2020. Yeah, 2021. When, it must have been, that must been early. Stuff just opened up. Just opened up. This was like, was it the first tour? Yeah, it was our first tour back on it?

No, we did boss. We did those shows. Oh, shit. Yeah. It was like December, 2021. I got COVID on my first tour back as earlier. It was immediate and it was just like, oh, this is that then. Yeah. It was like three shows in and then. the whole tour got cancelled like it was yeah it was every everybody got it on the whole tour yeah and it's fucking mental now no one gives a fuck yeah yeah we're all just out there and everyone's like you wearing a mask i was like nope yeah it's it's it's it's bad you know it was

really really bad and like i had the worst like we were my christmas was all terrible like i remember we all faced on each other yeah we all faced each other on christmas and then i watch matrix for my life was ruined you didn't like it don't i fucking loved it don't wait i'm the only fucking i'm the only person i'm the only person I'm the only person I know that loved it. I watched the whole thing and I was like, that was fucking sick. And you were like, that's fine. Yeah, I was like, that was sick.

Have you watched the others? Yeah. Why did you like it? Because it was so, like, you know, the story about them basically telling the directors that they were going to make the movie with or without them? Do you know this? The stupidest thing in the world. So, what, the movie or that?

That. Yeah, so then the whole movie is just to fuck you. So, like, even if, like, loads of the plot, I was like, yeah, whatever. the whole idea that the movie was a fuck you because in the movie they're making a game with or without Neo I was like that whole movie's so punk

because the two sisters were just like you know what fuck this I'll make a movie and I'm just gonna fuck it up and then they fucked it up I didn't know that yeah they did it on purpose did you know that but it sucks yeah but so you're like oh here's this great thing that I made

but for the sake of punk I'm just gonna piss all that is that is so are you must be in on that. You must be in on that. Roadrunner turns around and says, Ollie, there's a new static dress album coming out with or without you, right? And basically, you need to make it and it needs to sound like this.

Right. What do you do? Are you going to make what they want or are you going to fuck them up a little bit? I'm just going to not do it. Because guess what? Pissing all over it ruins the legacy of it. I see this merch come out and I'm like, don't clap. Don't clap over there. This is the thing which everyone forgets about in this kind of

I hate sounding like this, this age that we live in now is everyone kind of does things for the moment, everyone does things for these five seconds of fame on the internet, everyone does things for these instant TikTok fucking bouncebacks and reaches and shit like that, right? We're going to always look back in about five years and go, shit me, that was cringe. I'll be like, yo, that is fucking terrible.

Yeah. But what I never want to do is look back up anything that we've touched or done and gone, that was fucking dreadful. You know, because all the best bands that you can think of right now, like they might have a few moments or a few things that they've done where they're like, oh, it's not as good as, but they've never been like,

that is... Give me one, and I'll tell you something shit they've done. Let's chuck some people under the bus. I need to know how old you are, because you're... Why? Is it bothering you? Yeah, because you're really, really, like... I'm not going to fucking completely suck you off here, but you're really, like, wise to the game

while at the same time... Because I've been around people a lot. Being, like, innovative, and I need to establish what amount of respect to give you. Oh, see, this is why I don't do it. This is why exactly the reason I'll fucking do it. Because if I was to turn around to tell you I'm 19, I would like, it would be the best thing I've ever heard of my eyes.

You'd be like, this is absolutely insane. If I was to turn around to you and go, oh, I'm 43, you'd be like, oh, yeah, well, you've been around there. No, I'd be like, who's doing your Botox? Fair. No, I would be more, I'd be like, oh, it makes sense. Yeah. I wouldn't ever be like...

No, but, like, a lot of people do. As soon as they find out the age and they can pinpoint it on something, the age, and for some reason, I don't get it. if you've got someone who's been playing an instrument for three years and they're 25, they're going to be a certain level, right? And then if you've got someone, a kid who's been playing an instrument for three years, they don't have a job, they just come home and play guitar, they'll probably be infinitely better because it's a kid, right? But you're more impressed because the kids doing it because they're of a younger age. I'm not with a kid.

The kids that are good at instruments, I'll just go, there's a bit of fucking something going on with a parent. Yeah, your parents buy you a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, there's something going on it. All right, don't tell me then. I mean, put the value in where the art is rather than in me. No, I need some sort of a buffer there. No. This is the

thing, like, I don't want this to ever be about us. This is why the band accounts never followed the people who are in it. It's never, like, I didn't want to ever put our names on things. So what's it about them? Just the music? No, it's about the art of it, yeah. As... Oh, come on, you must like Matrix 4. No, it's fucking shit.

It's so shit. You're telling me you don't get the same costume designer. You don't get the same. I'm in production company, you don't get the same visual effects. As if Matrix 2 and 3 are good. Oh, piss off. Come on. Right, rank the Matrix for me. Okay.

It goes 1, 2, 3, 4. Let's be honest. Why, it seems of like good to buy. Nah, 2's the best. 2's the best. Fam, you can fly. Two is the best. The outfits in 2?

Unreal. The actual cast, the casting in 2? Unbelievable. The set design in 2? Unbelievable. Story. Unbelievable. Come on, is it?

The twins? Yeah. Those two, like, I can't even remember the names. They can, like, go through the walls and stuff. Yeah. That itself, insane.

Yeah, but... But I did watch a deep dive on two and how, like, it's just way cleverer than I could even think. Exactly. But then I was like, well, surely four is just even clever. Twice as clever.

There's so many mistakes in four that it hurts my brain. what's your favorite film of all time well it was matrix 2 and now it's not because i said it or because i made you because four came out and i was like fuck this film yeah but why that means your static dress is every album's going to be incredible hopefully yeah i know i'm just letting you know that i'll hold you doing receipts yeah good and they have to get incrementally better i'll literally sample i'll literally sample this and put it at the start we'll do this when we've got four albums and then you can rank them yeah

And I'd be just like, I don't care anymore. Why am I even here? But I'm really... I'm really enjoying this. To be honest. We're still on this self-release thing. Was there any, like... Any hurdles?

What's your favourite film? You haven't told me yours yet? You got first. Well, let's go. Side-track. Who gives a fuck about music? No one. Let's talk about films. Favorite film?

I'm going to pour myself a beer. I don't even have a favorite film at a minute. That's probably interstellar. Oh, it's a top five for me. I kept talking all the way through it though. Bro. What were you talking about?

Don't tell me you don't like interstellar. No, it's just like what's going on all the time. And everyone just getting out of the man who loves the Matrix. Yeah, because I read about it. But like interstellar, I was just like, what the fuck the entire time? And space just scares the fuck out of me. I like the thing with the water. That's kind of cool.

Waves. I like the thing the water does. You know, the thing the water does sometimes. It like comes through and it's a bit wet. Yeah, crazy. No, I really like the film. Yo, you fucking smash that. Sorry, Lord.

That's all right. Cheers. I really like the film The Cell. It came out like 2004. You do like that film. Yeah, I love that film. There's a, like, there's a little subsection of the internet

about your band in that film. Really? Yeah. Get the fuck in. There's a little, if you Google your band in that film it comes up, I've never seen it.

Is that the one with, is that, who's in there? I don't know. So this is my real bad thing. I'm really bad with names. I'm really bad with people. And there's an ongoing joke in our band that whenever you see anyone, it's Kevin Bacon when it's absolutely...

I know, we just call everyone Greg. Our Greg, yeah, it's Kevin Beck and our Greg. Greg's a stray thing as well. Greg's always our name that we go to. Maybe we've subliminally... We've subliminally. Well, Greg... Subliminally...

Subliminally... Subliminally. I can't fucking see it. Oh my God, that was insane. Subliminally criminally stole it. Oh. Fuck their system. Oh.

All right. Nice. He's got it. What's the sell about then? Going inside, it's just, honestly, it kind of is just really close to the matrix on some levels of it. I just kind of more like it for the set design stuff.

It's entering the brain of people and getting trapped inside and other shit. I need you to watch it to understand it because it's fun. It's actually really bad. I love a bad film. But it's really good. I was getting mixed up in my head with Cube. Have you ever seen Q?

That's the one with all the puzzles and stuff and they just get annihilated. Cube's really good. Event Horizon as well. Banging film. Fucking great film. Banging film. What of them David Lynch films we watched as well? Oh, when we were writing. Yeah. Lost Highway. Yeah, we watched that all of them. Lost Highway and the Crow, best movie soundtracks of all time.

Yeah, the Crow's unreal. I try to think what else is. Yours is Interstellar? Give me, so the sales number one. I really like crank. Crank too, sick. It's like the worst. It's like, totally fucking arty. Really like crank with Jason Stakeham. Yes, unreal. It's like the fact that it happens and like my brain is like, oh, I can actually watch this and shit is constantly happening around they're being like, oh, I'm in love with you and now let's look at this wall.

The Matrix shit. Yeah, but I can, I have patience for that. Why have you got patience for the Matrix and not for? Because it looks sick. Yeah, I guess you are right. It does. Every single scene, something looks amazing, you know, like you see something with a green tint on and you go that looks like the Matrix. True.

You see someone in leather and you go, oh, it looks like the Matrix. Or blade. Or blade. Also sick. Also a really good film. Wesley Snipes. He's got a name right. You said you weren't going to get any names right.

You got Wesley Snipes right. I'm evolving. Straight off the bat. Oh, get in the fucking. Anyway, back to music. What's your favorite film? Honestly, Inception. Oh, for.

Oh, unbelievable. I always get confused with Shutter Island just because it's Leo. Leo and mine things are happening. Also, a great movie, though. Really great film. Like, there's, on the Reuters. watches because I love to when I watch something I'm like what the fuck like you know like I

watched um what was that one I meant everyone watching everyone just kind of fell asleep halfway through it um I'm thinking of ending things it's on Netflix I only you know what I only got I got halfway in before it really kicks off and then I was like I'm kind of bored and I stopped watching it and everyone told me I turned off at the worst possible time it starts getting so mind-fucky and you can't really understand it unless you go and watch the explained There's so many hidden meanings and stuff But it's like the whole thing is she's not actually real She was made up in his head the entire time

So when she's reciting poems and going over it And he just goes, what? It's because it's going on in his head And he's just created her. I do like that. Nice twist. There's a whole thing about it. You need to watch it because the ending is just so, so, so weird.

But there's moments where she starts reading out poems and stuff And there's this one thing that she read And I remember hearing it and was like, I know about it. that and then it has cause and linked to other things in the film and the title means stuff and there's such tiny little minute details that are so important and I'm like that to me is what art is you know if you like a wacky film gone I love a whack I love an a 24 and anything literally any every single a 24 movie I watch it I'm like well that was fucking weird I loved it I

didn't realize they were all from the same studio so it's like that's like hereditary and hereditary Swiss army man have seen that I haven't seen that one though fucking how about this for bat shit film. Daniel Radcliffe and Paul Dano that's the guy that's fucking the riddler in the new Batman. He's crap. Looks good though.

You might like it. I'll probably love it. It's absolute dog shit but every scene is wicked and everyone's dressing. Oh, you should actually watch that. Yeah, it sounds like my favorite film ever to then. To be fair. I was like, it looks amazing, but it makes no fucking sense.

He's trapped on a desert island, Paul Dano. And isn't when he starts making out with a balloon or something? No, no. That's fucking... That's cast away? And he doesn't make out with it. I've seen it.

Cast away. I got just fucking rugby ball or something. Shags of all. Oh no, he does it. He does, he rides himself, though, some shit on the water, right? Yeah, so he...

Daniel Radcliffe shags his own self. There you go. No. Paul Danos on an island. And he... Nice. I got it. He's on an island. And... Daniel Radcliffe's corpse

floats up to the sea and he's obviously lost his mind and he starts using him to do loads of shit like a Swiss Army knife. A Swiss Army man. Oh, I've seen the trailer first. Did that come out? Madness, yeah. I'm so disconnected from films and games as well. I used to be mad on games and then PS4 came out

and I just was like... The same thing happened to me. Yeah. Like what... What do you attribute it to? What? Like, I honestly was just... There was a turning point in my head and was like, all of this effort that I'm putting into this thing,

I should just be putting into my like dreams which was getting good at music and doing one actually. Same for me. It was band shit to be honest like it was just coming along and doing band stuff because I used to just do like visual art and photography and videography and then when I wasn't doing that I was playing games I was on tour doing that exact thing

you know? So what do you do to unwind now then? Because I can't unwind because I have to just work at all times so I've recently learned I have to do that because I literally went insane from just working all the time because I kind of hadn't had a break for the past three years. So what should rewind? What's your go to? Watch The Matrix?

Fuck that. Shitiest films ever. No, I've started like meditating and more and like learning to get into that. Just to help everything. Even that's only fucking 15 minutes. What are you doing for the rest of it? Like say you got it.

You can do it for three hours. It's crazy. I've watched The Matrix. Or I'm like, I don't know. I'm like I'm trying to walk more. exercising more, I'm going to the gym way more. And that's kind of my release on it, because it did used to be from the moment I wake up to the absolute moment I pass out my computer every single day, I was doing ban shit.

And it's like, that's good because in lockdown, like, I can't remember anything in lockdown. Like, it genuinely was like such a big mental kind of block for me because I worked through so much stuff that everyone talks about like lockdown too and stuff. And for me, I can't even remember that because I was just in my room every day. I didn't leave my room for, I think it was like six days at one point. Fuck me. I mean, I can't remember it, but it's mostly drugs and drinking. Oh, yeah.

I was just writing into a book and then crying and then being like, and then learning guitar, so it was a bit sure. I mean, it worked. It was all right, you know. Speaking of guitar and other things, musical, musically related, a question I like to ask on this, because I'm a professional,

get into the, don't roll your fucking eyes. You got on a tree. trained to be here. I know. How lams that? It says more about you than me. I was already here. I was already here. I was already here. I was already here. I was already here as well, actually. Although thanks to the Patreon, I've got you

a little hotel. That wasn't, that was, the Patreon's got you. Yeah, thank you everyone. You know, give me more money and I'll get more people to come. Yeah, I'd really appreciate that. I'm not. I appreciate you guys coming. Yeah, no, it's sick. How does Static Dress write music and

give me, like, explain to me like I'm five years old, how a song goes from brain to being recorded. If I had an actual logical system for this, I'd be able to tell you, but there is no two songs that have ever been written in the same way. A lot of the time, it's me doing a voice note, even whether I'd be like, like, sat on the toilet or some shit, and I'm like, ah, ah, ah, uh, uh, like doing that. And then I bounce that out. Everyone works on it, comes back. comes back to me goes back again so you literally will just hammer guitar riff and go

yeah i'll be like minions here's some lyrics are at all not not all it's more like what do you think you can do with this i just like i come in with a vocal part and i'm like right i got this idea and then what gets bounced back to me is completely not what i was expecting at all i then changed around what i was doing and back and forth back and forth back and forth okay so let's let's go from the toilet we're on the toilet me and you together on the toilet you've got a cool cool idea goes into the phone. Yep. Who gets sent it first?

Group chat. Group chat gets sent it. Yep. Who takes it out of the group chat and does something with it first? I knew that was coming. That's why I asked you. That's why I asked you. Oh, the mystery man. Made of smoke.

Yeah, pretty much. I want to know who's writing the songs. We all are. Yeah, but currently they're not. Currently you're on the toilet with a voice note. Yeah. Then where does it go? Straight to the studio.

Straight to the Reaper file. Straight into the studio. And we go from there. Come on, there'll be people that want to know because they're starting a band and they don't know what to do. Sometimes I'll say something that I think's really fucking obvious. I mean, people are going to, oh, I didn't know you could. If you're coming in from that angle, honestly, it's like,

the best shit is to just keep doing it. You know, the best shit is to just try things with you got work. Keep doing those shit. I'm dropping their shit songs, like quite literally poo songs. But half the time, like there's even been, occasions where I will voice note in a part, like hum it, and then put it through, like, through logic, through an amp, and then, like, make that the guitar lead, and then I'll just sing some stuff over it, then bring that to the studio, because where our kind of studio spot is now,

we've got, like, our room where we do everything, and, like, we're not in a garage anymore. We're in an actual space now. And then right next to it is an actual studio, which is in the same complex, and we can just literally run in there, shout out of Adam, you know, and it's sick. Where is this? In leagues. Enleads. In league.

It's literally at Boom. You know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's literally like a few floors above. Cool. Yeah. It's sick because we can go downstairs and it's like we've got the print shop right

underneath us. Shout up, Paul. Total print. Yeah. Yeah, that whole, that whole area. I can't remember someone from Boom messaged me when I was gobbing off about merch cuts and they were like, next time you just come in. It'll be in Chris.

It'll be in Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Just come here and sell from here. I was like, thank you. We'll definitely be doing that. It's one of the last remaining. like kind of DIY punk venues

that I know of anyway in Leeds and when the pandemic hit we did a whole line of like tote bags and stuff to keep them open and the way they were operating this system of all we'll print tote bags for bands is bands it was like a

40-60 split or whatever and I just turned around was like no you keep all of this because at the end of the day that venue goes music goes with it you know and there was a there was a big like I don't know it felt kind of nice like place always kind of feel like a home to me like a lot of the time when i was taking photos and doing stuff it was gigs there and i was like if this place goes there's like in leads i don't

know like because when you when did you play leads last really recently yeah um well you did the big boy teams in two months ago you did first than that last man where was it first direct was it was it wasn't it was it was just the oh too but it was the nice shit but like this is the thing in leads there used to be cockpit yeah they used to be reos yeah well there used to be a ladder you could climb in terms of venue sizes now now it basically goes boom there's a few like indie bars and stuff where you're hedger and stuff where would you be starting you've sent santiago yeah you'd be starting to stanies or like um hedro house kind of level um and then you'd probably go to like key club like to boom or to like key club level and then this is where it gets difficult because there's

nowhere between key club and stylus and that goes from 350 to eight you know yeah that goes a bit like that as well. It's hard, man. It's really difficult, and it's almost like you've got to, you've got to teeter over really quickly in order to make it work. And that's why venues in Leeds are mad important.

Because to say that venue goes then, it's just even harder for people to kind of come through, considering Leads when cockpit was up and used to be like thriving and stuff. You know, like I didn't, I wasn't able to go to that many shows there because I was so young at the time. If it'd been, shut up, stop trying to work it out.

Yeah. I was a loser. I could still be old and not loud out. Cockpit was closed in this year. I think I've got a fair idea You are young enough for me to be more impressed What's not meant to mean? Because you were like

Oh if I was really young you'd be more impressed If I'm really old That's true Let the art do the talking You are young enough You are young enough for me to think You are wise beyond your relatively young years Thanks

That's right, carry on Okay What was I autonomy? We're talking about venues I feel like every city has like a weird Bermuda triangle area of capacities. Like even London has one

like 800 to 1400. There's nothing in there's not that many thousand caps. Yeah no electric ballroom's fucking massive. There's 1400 now I think. Asking you you're the professional. You live in London Tuss. I think electric ballroom upgraded to

1400 maybe even more and then you've got there's another gap Yeah. Between there and then you're like roundhouse. There's like one, two thousand. Yeah.

Yeah. Forum. And that's London. Just get more fucking menus. I mean, uh, hasn't Underworld just put a barrier in now as well? What the fuck?

Yeah. No, they're not. Oh. I was not. Right. I'm bullshitting, apparently. Well,

I'm not bullshitting. I got told bullshit. Did you see Knock Lose at Coachella without a barrier? Yeah, it was mental. Unbelievable. Most mental thing I've ever seen. Shout out the boy. That's like so sick.

Incredible. I got a DMCA take down for my... Yeah, I've ripped a little bit of it and then shared it. Like, this is what I fucking hate. All these fucking old people that... I'm sorry if you're old, right? I'm pretty fucking old.

But like, the old old people that run these businesses that see me sharing a video from Coachella which got 500,000 views and like two and a half thousand retweets. And seeing that, going, well, we must be losing money there somehow.

Let's take that down. It's like, no, it's fucking good for your shitty fucking influencer pop festival. If anything, it's going to drive traffic and go, oh, I want to watch the rest of this. Oh, I want to go to next year's Coachella because that looked fucking crazy. Instead, now it's...

And this is the bullshit thing because it'll have been, probably algorithmic bears that'll pull that down, right? Oh, it'd have been someone. No, it's someone. Or some rap? Honestly, it's a company called... And please don't come for me.

They're called... kill links and their whole company their whole case a bunch of lawyers and their whole company is they get employed to take down certain things what a sad little life yeah you've literally being a niche that is such a such a shit job internet car park yeah yeah yeah yeah we got stung by one when we were literally here in glasgow and she literally was was just like oh we'll just move and she was like you're already been here long enough and it's like what 10 seconds like literally pulled in hazards on. Do you know what?

I've got into post-pandemic. Post-pandemic, I'm just a fucking lunatic anyway, right? Because during the pandemic, without getting fucking trauma dumpy, during the pandemic, I was like, pretty sure I'm going to die

during this on purpose. And now I'm just running like, as if it's my world. Yeah. So I've been not paying for parking for, since the pandemic, I just don't do it.

And I'm like, well, realistically, the amount of times that I've got away with it, at some point I'm going to get a ticket. And I haven't got to got yeah and it's like fucking tickets what, 40 quid? I've definitely spent

more than 40 quid in my free. Getting tattooed earlier, double yellow. Five hours. That's pretty reasonable. I got three tickets in one day in leads. Nice. I know a singer of a band that I won't say who it is. Buying. Who got banned from driving on their first day of driving

because they went through a traffic, a speed camera and their fucking brain, they went well, I've already got my one for the day. You've been driving for one day. You don't know the rules. They went, well, I've already got my one, like it's some sort of weird, like, fucking accrual system. Like, I can't get 24 hours to do what you want now.

And went through the... The purge of driving. Went through the same one, three times that day, like, to go, fucking Tesco or whatever. And the red light each time? There's a speed camera. And then fucking got banned from driving immediately, because it's like, within your first three months, it's like nine points or whatever. I'm all in one day. That is ridiculous. And then went and told everyone, like... Like as a like as a flight.

Well, if you went and sold everyone, you can tell us what it is. Nah, it's too dumb. I feel so bad. It's dumb, but they might not be dumb. Yeah, they're kind of dumb. Well, you're not wrong. Right. Well, I'm just trying to remember what I'm allowed to talk about.

Let's do it this way. Okay. Other than Austin. I mean, in fact, when you're in the States with Loathe. Yeah. best city to play is it actually Austin and what's the worst city

oh Orlando was insane yeah Orlando was insane both Florida shows are sick Orlando I'm a secret Florida guy I love it yeah it's sick it's like lead it's crazy a lot of people chat shit on it and I was like not expecting much at all

I just was like it's really warm and then me and him got a T-shirts and it was really good we all got t-shirts that says Florida on yeah and it was the venue the venue was look at Ted's on it I need you here

every episode I need it every day I'm fucked I need I need like you ever get it when you come off a tour and because you don't have a tool manager you just don't know how to do things

I don't know how to fucking go to the shops I'm just like who's gonna chaperone me what do what I do yeah it's horrific hit me Canal Cense

there was trees in the scene countdown you got it wesley snipes and countdown you're on fire i'm fucking killing it today today is my day um yeah olando was crazy apart from once we played the show that was really really good and we got shows stopped twice was it twice or three times three times yeah what form people stage diving people stage diving and the in-house dude started screaming and then he was getting his security guard who was a wrestler or some shit. I don't know. I got told that. This is why I love

Florida. It's fucking mental. Everyone's fucked. Everyone's got machine guns and like fucking... Some shit, yeah. Snakes. We stayed across from machine gun world. Oh, it was crazy. We woke up to fucking boff and I was like, sick. Morning! Yeah. That's crazy. It was fucked. But this show

kept getting stopped because people were stage diving and the venue manager was kicking off about it and it was like, well, kind of look at what you're booking if you're not wanting it. And we were just just about to play the last song and I was just like, We've been told not to stage dive, but yeah, fuck it. And then it just went absolutely stupid.

It was so hot. I don't think I've ever played a show that hot in my life, though. Yeah, but it was sick because, you know, you know when you, like, try and warm up before and get to that level where you're, like, it was sick. Like, a whole show was just, like, fucking easy. Yeah. It was, it was crazy.

But then we finished the show, and then I fell in human feces. Uh, straight afterwards. Where? Um, I don't know. They'd basically got the toilets. I think this was what had happened is they had an outdoor toilet and they'd emptied it into the gutter, into, like, the sewage to get to, a little canal bit.

And here comes me walking past with a box, like, and I just literally step in it, stepping it once my foot sinks. So I slip, as I'm slipping to recover, my other shoe goes in it as well. And I'm like, oh, what... Were you wearing that nice Calvin Klein Rain jacket? No, I was not, unfortunately.

That would have been perfect. That would have been horrific. I was wearing... I don't even know what I was wearing. So it wasn't full body. It was literally just my feet to my shins, pretty much. And I was like, that stinks. And then I went and dropped this box off next to you. And I was like, I think I've just fallen in shit. And then I looked down and it was, it was like poo.

Real poo. So it has a distinct smell. Oh, you have no idea. I mean, I do. I do one every day. Oh, me too. Sometimes three. Really?

Sometimes. Writing all those songs. Yeah. I'm saying, I gotta shit it out whilst I'm tapping it out. But no, it was, it was absolutely horrific. And then luckily, love, well, Sean was just like, oh my God, let me help you. And he let me on the bandwagon, not with the shitty shoes. I'd already taken them off.

But I basically, you let me in their shower, and I just basically had to blast my feet with cold water bottles because that's all the water they had, because they had no water in the shower. So I was cleaning my feet with bottles of water and shampoo. Nice. For about an hour, trying to get the smell of other people's shit out of my toes.

It's good for them for letting you do that on the bandwagon, though. Yeah, unreal. Live in that afterwards. Well, they're like the boys forever, like forever, like I shot them in 2018. When they did the, this is one tour withholding absence. So I got and I got to know him a lot more through then And then Eric is the person who produced the record for us Did he? Yeah, mom. Yeah, I didn't know that. He's a little fucking wizard, isn't he?

Like, there's very few people in music who I'll sit there and go This person is designed to do music, you know? He is definitely one of them. I've talked with him, I think I've said one word to him in my life Yeah I mean, as soon as you know him, you know him But it's like, I can imagine that for sure, but genuinely he is so talented, it blows my... The guy's an insane drummer at all.

Is he? Have you listened to that God Complex record that came out? No. One of the best records of... Was it 20-21 that it came out? I think. Yeah. One of my favorite records probably ever, in terms of heavy music. It's like if you like, I don't know, knock loose, nails.

Yes. Yes. He goes pretty... Wait, did he produce it? He produced it. He produced it, he mixed it and drummed on it. And drummed on it. Yeah, yeah. It's sick. The drums are insanely good. band's fucking crazy yeah like so quick it's it's it's horrible how talented eric is the band's really good don't it yeah it's for for the reason every single person in that band is amazing what they do you know i think i feel like i beefed them for a while i've talked about

on the podcast before um i can't fucking i was i can't remember everyone like everyone like everyone hates me until they don't like me oh yeah well i think that's the case for everyone anyone who's actually doing something and kind of putting their own time into themselves because I'll actively chat people, actively catch people chatting shit about us. And then I'll see him in person when I finally get to go to a show

and I'm like, yeah, what's up? And then they're like, I'm like, yeah. It's, I don't know, it's always the people with the least amount to do have the most to say. Do you get much? Because you got a fucking, you got a style, which I love, by the way.

Reminds me of... Oh, God, Matrix. No, it reminds me of like, I don't want this to say, sound obviously you've got a very unique style but in terms of like the fact that you are kind of blowing up or everything gives me early Brian Mulco vibes I'll tell that right guys hot as fuck I would accept it um no not for you no I love placebo for a good minute um but I'm one of these the singles are really good but the albums are a bit hit and miss for me it's it sucks

it sucks because you'll sit down and be like oh the bangers coming up and then you'll get past the banger, then the next song's so mid that it's like... I think the first two records are bang, wall-to-wall bangers for me, and then the singles after that. Yeah. But anyway, I watch stuff for me. I listen to music by watching videos. That's why videos for me are so important.

So when I watch the videos, I'm like, this is absolutely insane and it encapsulates everything. What's your favorite music video of all time? Before I forget my fucking question, which I will forget in a minute. I don't have one of all time. This is like someone being like, oh, what's your favorite band of all time? Because it's constantly changing. Well, I'm going to ask you that in a minute.

Well, you're not going to get a good answer. Oh, more fucking cryptic shit. What? I just answering a binary card. What isn't my favorite band of all time? I just gaslight you. It's a fucking lepricorn. It's a life.

Give me some videos off the top of your head where you're like that. It's a fucking banger. Anything Anything hype Williams has done between 2000. Actually, like, it's late 90s to 2000. So all your little Kim's,

Buster Rhymes. Oh, yeah. So I'm talking super wide fish eyes, really ugly, distorted angles. Matrix 2. I get it now. It makes so much sense. That all falls in place like that. Yeah, that's like my shit. I do feel like I'm kind of straying away from that style a little bit now, though, because it seems to be catching on a lot. And once I feel like something gets done

by someone who's shit, it's automatically terrible. That's me with podcasting. Unfortunately, so. That's why we've gone. Everyone started doing it, and then I'm just like, well, I guess I've got to make it look like a movie now. You have to get the signs in and everything. All of this shit. Because everyone just fucking, like I started it, and then, I was doing it on Zoom and then everyone did it.

I was like, well, this is fucking lame now. Yeah. I don't know where I'm going to go from this. I mean, now I'm about 12 grand in. It's going to take a while for everyone else to go. Have to get a drone or something. Oh, yeah. A drone.

Honestly, oy, you fucking joke. I already thought about it. Get a fan above you, just attach a GoPro to it. Wireless Bluetooth and then just you've got an angle which is constantly changing. Fan cam. Yeah. I did honestly think about getting a drone and just doing like... That would be sick.

Just to have like a dumb shot at the beginning of the thing where you can just like, Oh. Come from there. Why don't you just have one of these 360 cams on a stick, you know, and you stick it in your mouth. Like, this is a transition

I want to do for a while. You stick a 360 cam, you know, you've seen ones. Stick that in your mouth and then just go, well, hello everyone. Like, I'd be insane. That's pretty cool.

Don't fucking steal it, Inferior podcast. Anyway, back to my question. Especially in America, but in general. Because you've got a look. Yeah. On stage, you've all got a look.

But you've got a look at all times, which I'm back, by the way. I think everyone has a look at all times. I dress everyone. What?

Every day? Yeah. Did you pick that metallic as you show? Pants, socks, all of it. No, not every day. I mean, stage fit as well.

Yeah, I know. So, you know, I get it. Everyone's got a stage fit. Yeah, but do you find in America? It's not insulting. I'm trying to say that I like it.

Bro, why are you coming from you like this? I know. I literally love it. There's a trauma in you, which I'm not trying to bring out here. It's called getting bullied, bro. Yeah, I know.

This is what I'm going, get up coming into. Please allow me to get there. I'm just being a dick, I'm sorry. I know. You too. Do you get shit? Every single fucking day.

No, that's where I was getting to. I get so much hair. I get so much homophobia. I get so much, so much shit. When we first started, there was several VK pages, you know, Russian Facebook. Yeah, you don't want to be on there. There were several groups on that with hundreds of users,

which were keep F word. out of hardcore. That's not good, is it? It's not good. None of them are there now, which is amazing, but there was a lot of shit. There's been a lot of, like,

odd comments that come through as well sometimes, but I think, thankfully, we're not at the level yet. Like, I've noticed this, because we've never done a paid-for ad. We've never done, like, a sponsor of anything. Everyone who finds it is either looking for it or stumbles through a mutual

who they'll find it through, as well. So a lot of the time people who are looking for it want it. So they're not going to come to it and just go, I wanted to find this, fuck you know? Yeah. Like, so I think we're in quite a lucky spot, but I know for a fact within the next year it's going to get to a spot where we're now getting publicly blasted in front of people who don't want to watch it and don't want to see it. So I'm, I've kind of like, had to toughen up to be like, right, this is inevitably going to happen now because it's like, I never imagined for this to get to like even coming on stuff like this. I mean, this is nothing. To you.

yeah to you to you this is nothing yeah to you this is just another day because because you normalize and you flatline like in your head what's a big deal you know like this is the thing for us is every single show that we still get booked on is still a big deal the fact that we're not playing like a 200 cap room in leads to four of our friends is a massive deal um and it's i'll be i'd be like two years ago i was listening i was working in like a shit factory and then i was listening to this podcast like every day man yeah so it's It's a pleasure to fucking have it. It's mad to be sat on the other side.

Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it's like you start normalizing things, you know? And it does worry me sometimes when I'm around people that cool guy it a lot, you know? And they're just like, yeah, we're just playing download, you know, we're just doing this thing, download, here we go again. And I'm like, I feel like you get to a certain level and you have to start doing that because everyone starts doing that, you know?

But you know what? It does actually, it does actually not lose the shine, but you do forget your roots it does happen not like for really but as in like to so today i was getting tattooed okay having chat i've never met the two tattoo eyes before so i haven't and obviously it comes to the band it comes to this you're doing that you're doing that talking about stuff and they're like oh wow that's amazing my body i'm in my head i'm like still still not even registering it becomes you nine to five yeah like i'm still not even registering like oh it is actually cool what i'm doing and then this other guy comes in to get tattooed by the other tattoo

artists and they're like oh what do you do for a job and it was like I'm working I'm working co-op and I obviously no fucking no shame in working cop and the guy was like how long you've been working there and he's like I've been working over five years I keep saying in my head that next year I'm going to quit but I just don't quit and then in my head I literally wanted to cry when I was getting tattooed probably a lot of coding but I was like fuck my job is really fucking cool yeah like and that's the thing you got to be blessed for is the fact that you're not just doing the same shit everyone else is getting to do you're able to sit here in front of cameras in front of lights and all this stuff and like part of your day to

make your income is you plug in and stuff and being like okay i can be creative with it and like i don't know when i when i'm sat in a room or i'm in these label meetings with people for example like going back to that it's like you can tell who wants it for the right reasons and you can tell who wants it for the initial income and the initial hit because you get these motherfuckers who come through and go oh you need to start doing tic-tok and you need to start acting like this and you mean all the labels i mean i mean everyone i mean everyone being like oh you need to jump on this and you need to jump on that and it's like if i get a single person recommending that I need to start doing a fucking TikTok dance, I am absolutely

ejecting that conversation before it's even started. I respect that. Because as easy as it would be for me to go on and do that. If you did it, it would be the lamest thing on earth. I'd shoot myself in the fucking head. It doesn't, like, you're, from an outsider, your whole band's, like I was saying earlier, art, image, vibe, music is so a separate from what is currently the norm like oh you've got to blow up on ticot that if you started doing it it would just be like oh what if they didn't mean all that arty stuff no and i appreciate that for real thank you but like that's the whole thing it's meant to be about like every time we announce a show i'm running to the print shop to print off a poster to run back to our rehearsal space to put it on

a wall to then grab my camera to take it to then take that onto my laptop to then edit that put that in a grid and have a swipe. There is... When you put it like that. Yeah, bro. I'm having it... Like, a poster comes through at 9 a.m. and it's like, post this in an hour.

I have to fucking sprint across town. Like, I live in town now, like, blessed to be able to do that. But, like, I have to run across town like at, like, at like 8 a.m. To get this poster printed out and done. So when I get these fucking... Oh, yeah, because you fully do the... Yeah. Print the poster.

That's cool as fuck, though. It's sick. Like, for the bring-me announcement, it was funny as fuck because we had to... It was so hard to find somewhere to print something. And we had to go like a CV. Was it CVS? Oh, we were on tour? Yeah, we were on tour.

So I had to go to like a CVS. And I had this woman just, oh, God, she was giving me so much shit because I just didn't know how I worked this thing. She was like, anyway, giving me so much shit for it. And I was like, look, I just don't know how to use the screen. She liked Matrix 4. No, she loved it. She was just like, respect.

Clearly an idiot. But yeah, no, she was just giving me so much shit for not knowing how to use it. And I was like, right, okay, cool. I'm a stupid tourist. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Anyway, got it printed out. and I was like, well, we don't have anything because what I do is I put it on a wall

and then it's like aesthetic around it. Oh, I've seen it. It's lovely. War from a video, yeah. And I was like, what the fuck are we going to do? So I had to get like red tape from the welcoming video and be like, right, I've got to recreate in this room. So we went to, what venue was it?

Underground arts in Philly? I caught to remember. Yeah, I think it was. Underground arts in Philly. I literally went into the bathroom and found the whitest wall I could, got this red tape, put the red tape up across the wall, tried to like match the light as best I could.

All this while, it's like we're loading in or like we're meant to be sound checking I'm here taking a photo of this thing in literally a toilet you know to get this post to work and like make it done like I know obviously it's draining when you do it

but on the outside but this is the thing I'm gonna look back in five years and go thank fuck I did that and didn't just start posting grid shit yeah and we all notice it as well everyone is just like you seen that as fucking sick there's there's times where I'm like is this actually worth it because we'll post something and it be like because like I think everyone admits that the slave to

their reaction you know like the reach and like the social numbers and stuff and it's so hard when you're gauging your value and your worth off of digits on a screen you've also got to keep in your mind at all times what's good for the brand the brand means that address yeah but and i don't even mean that in a bad way i mean like what's good in this case what's good for the name the art let's say instead of the brand because i just said brand because of the downbeat because I got a thing where it's just like business versus brand like yeah sometimes I have to do shit which is terrible for business or not great for business like if you going to all that if you took out going to all that hassle of making the poster and then you

don't get as many you know as many fucking views or whatever and you you might think oh is it even worth it but it's does so much more for the brand class that shit that it's definitely worth taking the hit yeah it's like when we were doing merch in america I was this one moment in Chicago. I can't remember the guy's name and shit with names, I'm sorry, but Wesley Snipes? No, it wasn't Wesley Snipes. He's dressed like Wesley Snipes. Nah, the guy was so cool, but he came up and was like,

I really appreciate everything you do, like, even to, like, how you announce shows and put the posters on, like, and do it on the wall, and it's on the aesthetic. And I was like, to have someone come up and tell you it, when no one does and everyone just expects it is so nice. Because I feel like this started at a level that I can't now drop down, you know? you only have to go up with more extravagant stuff.

That's what players are my mind, and that's why sometimes I have a really hard time with things. Yeah, but they all fall into place because you'll just have some mad idea. That's what people get... That's a tiny dog. You can pick her up. She's been on every single fucking episode.

I'm really bad at picking up dogs, so I don't want to. You're not going to kill her. I have shaky hands. The guy who tapped at me today had to shake his hands I've ever seen it, and you did a great job. I was like, how's this going to go? But it was fine. Well,

would you like me to pick you up? Pimpon. Do you want, come here. Just a brief, a brief, um, pausing the proceedings to tell you that the etymology of her names,

right? She's unreal. So her name is Pamela. Pamela Anderson, full name. Um, 90s baby. Uh,

and then that became, recently it became Plymala. And then, plim plon and then plimsoll and now she just and then it was like plimpy

and then became plinth as in like a plinth of wood so she'll reply to like plim soul is the number one that's like our our mate's dogs called Pablo and we call him chumba womba chumba

that stems from a Chino Marino star that story's very long yeah it's a very long and we weren't even there we weren't even there's like that story to tell it's quite good what do you want to tell that I can't remember it now.

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But you have to dig very far, man, it's fine. But, so stuff still happening based on your appearance. Mm-hmm. At shows or everywhere. On tour? I get, I get it, like, everywhere. Because I, like, something happened to me yesterday. I don't dress nearly as fucking arty as you and that's a compliment, right, but I've got

bleach bond hair and people, how dare you? People fucking hate it. Bleach bon hair and loads of tattoos. There'll be some people, a guy I got, I had a nice relaxing massage, it wasn't actually that relaxing yesterday. Had a massage. She, she was like, talked to me for the whole thing. I can't imagine anything worse. Two hours is like I did a fucking podcast. But the massage was so good, it doesn't matter. And then I'm leaving. And then there's a girl in the car and she's about to pull out,

but there was loads of other traffic coming. So I just, you know, did that and just did the polite jog. Yeah. And this guy out of the fucking passenger side of her car. I was like, you think you're fucking hard, do you? For no fucking reason.

And I was like, turn around. I went, what? And he was like, you think you're fucking hard? Classic. And I was like... And then he goes, do you want to fight? And I was like, before I'd even thought about it. They've driven off.

And I was like, there was no other reason other than I look a bit fucking out there. So I can't actually imagine. I got at the gym with, like, acrylic nails on. Sick. I wear crop tops in the gym. Come to my fucking gym. You've just got it honestly, like...

I wish I could do a crop top. I see you in the crop tops. I wish I could pull it off. What's on you on? Send you one. I don't think I can pull it off. Anyone can pull it off. You look fucking sick.

Honestly, like, the best thing our manager has ever told me was if you want to wear something, like, as long as you tell yourself you can, you can. Unless it is absolutely fucking god-awful and no one tells you and your ego is just taken over, then, I mean, it might be the case of me. That's not scared about all the time.

Yeah, I feel like that would. That'd be me with crop tops. I don't think it would. You're in shape. Not below the belly button. You play drums without a shirt on there. True. Yeah, and that's not sitting down?

Yeah, isn't it? And that should be the thing which everyone's like, you know? fucking crying about. I get away with that. No one ever calls me out for that. But it's like, it's a, I, I'm very careful.

Because I only do it because I don't want to ruin fucking stage t-shirts. You know what it's fucking like. There's, plays in a boiler suit, bro. He doesn't know what it's like. Exactly. No, but that's what I mean?

It's probably 10 times fucking worse. Like, what's that smelling like by the end of all? Oh my God. Horrible? Yeah. Like, honestly, like, I think it was on the bring me run. You'd get close to any of us and we were like, like, we did switch out outfits on that, though,

so it wasn't too bad. But like, I know America was. horrific. There's definitely some people who are worse than others. So, yeah, I like, I'm one of those people. The drummers in particular, because you've got that arse sweat just going. Oh, yeah. Like, so I figured out pretty early on, I could probably just get away with, I'd play three songs with a t-shirt on and I'll just take my seat-shot off. And then wear swimming shorts and they're still, the shorts are fucking disgusting. But no one's ever got, I've got the odd comment where someone's gone, you fucking show pony taking the t-shirt

off. You try playing the fucking drums. I mean, that's another thing for. it is like committing to the aesthetic of things is even in the live aspect we don't ever want to let it down you know because like my kind of ethos on it was like i don't want to ever let anyone have anything to say about any element of it i want it to be impressive all the way around people are obviously going to do it but like if i know we've always put 110 percent into everything i'll be sound you know as long as long as like it's there all the way through so even to the degree of like sam wearing trousers yeah i noticed that instead of shorts because what they made of which ones trousers yeah i swear you've had you've had a couple

of like leather looking ones uh no is it just it's like a red ones i had on the last maybe it was the red ones that made they're fucking horrible man drumming they were horrific i finished material ever like honestly it was like a napkin you put it put it on and i was like yo fuck i'm sitting down on it fucking crape paper honestly i think if you jump they just rip in half like there's been there's been some moments where I've genuinely had to take stuff off because it just gets too hot because I don't stand still when we play

mainly because I'm shitting myself for the first three songs and I'm just like so I don't ever chill but I don't know there just gets to a point where I'm like if you're paying a photographer to be there I'd much rather everyone be able to look their best to be dressed really well and

there's no one at the show but you still want to look back at it and be like it still looked amazing if you turn up on your death you know it still looks visually amazing if you turn up you're blind. It still sounds tight. It still sounds good. I don't know where else to go. And it smells like shit, so we're fucked.

We did a shoot for Rolling Stone around the time of the album. Flex. I mean, it was sick. Like, I got to shoot, design, direct an entire article for the Rolling Stone. That's cool. That's fucking, that's some, like, fucking CV shit. Get out on your resume.

I mean, like, I got, like, quite a lot of like offers off the back of it for stuff which was cool if I wasn't doing this all the time so but like I just know that it was you know for me for me personally it was really special but um back to where I was going with this like so do you know how they dressed up in the almost silver and stuff like that we did uh we did like an all white out kind of thing and it was it was crazy because I kind of took like what they were doing about the whole like sci-fi looking thing and I was just like there's a band that for me set it apart they turned up to a 500 cap room dressed in complete silver, set themselves on fire, didn't give a shit. But you know that the 200 people were there, we'll never forget that. And you know they probably got fucking buddied on the way in. Precisely the point. There's so many obstacles you overcome that if you look at it in the long run and you stay true to what you are and stay true to the, sorry, the art of it, it'll pay off. You know, and that's the thing that I'm kind of hoping of where, for example, I can look back on it. And even if this doesn't get to be the biggest thing in the world,

all of us can still be proud of it. Respectfully, I think it could be. the biggest thing in the world. Honestly. Side note, is there anything in your like, without giving anything away that someone can steal? Have you got any ideas for something that financially

static dress can't do in terms of like production? In terms of can't do? Yeah, like so currently you can't do it but if you get bigger you'd like to do it. Like for example, like when the guy from Creeper cut his own head off, sick. Yeah. Fucking awesome.

well we're doing okay so you don't have to give anything away well not because it'll happen by the time this comes out yes so for slam dunk this is what the plan is anywhere whether this is going to be possible i don't know but we're going to have like a big crucifixion thing on stage going full like you know going full shit with it and it's basically to be like representing the death of the egos of the whole scene at the minute because like I don't know if you ever think about this. I know I've talked to Tom about it a lot, but like there's a weird wave happening right now. Like I've been in this shit a long time, so of you, so of you.

But there's this new wave of these fucking artists coming through who have always been lingering in the background of other genres of other scenes. But then I started dressing as rock acts. They've started writing these two-minute songs with these TikTok hooks and then they're getting slammed on the top of bills and all this of the shit. You turn up, you watch it and it's fucking terrible. You've been around these people, the attitudes of them on the surface. Oh, yeah, man, we're friends, man, we're cool, man.

Your back's turned. Fuck you, you're a piece of shit. Cosplayed Griebos. Yeah. We ain't about it, never have been. And it's like the whole message that we kind of come from of like the DIY scene and all that of the shit. This thing walking in here, to me, just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. So what we're doing is like a crucifixion of that entire culture.

So who's on the thing? Well, Who are you getting crucified? I'll have to wait and see. It's going to be you. Or is he going to be fucking mystery, man? No, probably be me. Yeah, of course he's going to be you.

But might not be me. It's going to be you on the crucifix, let's be honest. Whether or not it's mentally you, you could be. You're trying to say something? No, I'm trying to say you could be being the character.

Yeah. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. So we're going full out with it, mainly because slam dunk for me holds a lot of weight because if it wasn't for slam dunk and the key club, I wouldn't be doing

gig photography which means I wouldn't have started this which means I wouldn't have been doing any of this so I own everything to like Ben Ray and Tom Bickley and JD and everyone that I love Ben is a fucking Ben is one of the funniest people who are man he's such a good guy I saw him the other day for like the first time since probably like 2015 at that lead show actually yeah yeah yeah no he's so about it man he knows what's good he knows what's up and it's like you get people every year chatting shit on slam dunk festival and stuff and it's like it might not be for everyone. I completely understand that. The lineup might have some bands that are lame.

I agree. Like, I don't, like, you know, but it is the one festival that I kind of go to where it always feels fair. I loved it every time. We didn't get to play it two years ago because I fucked up and then we didn't get offered, no, we're doing download this year and we couldn't do both. Some of us aren't allowed to do both. We're doing, but by this point, you probably would have

already done both, to be honest with you. I'm getting, to be honest, I'm getting to the stage where I'm recording like three podcasts a week and I'm like, the issue is this is I'm interested to know your thought because I'd actually

quite like you to figure this out for me So I have the capacity to do one a week currently because I've got so many people in I've got three people

coming in a week but I don't get the fucking views if I post one every week because everyone hasn't listened to the other one

so I'm now drip feeding them out every other week how do you drip feed them out Was your, like, strategy for getting them out? Do you just tell people the schedule and that's what happened? I don't tell them the schedule. It's more of like a surprise thing.

Oh, it's someone from somewhere. Or do they know that something's coming? Everyone knows it's the Thursday. It's every other Thursday. Okay. That's what they know. But I want to do every week because otherwise it's getting to the point where someone comes in and it's more topical to have them happen sooner.

And then that actually bumps everyone else off. And everything else we've talked about goes. gets out of like fucking date by the time it's happened okay so I'm like what do what's your main output from this like what are you mainly post on because you do the patreon first I'm guessing patreon on a Monday okay episode comes out on a Thursday right two reels that's it okay and that's it that's it I can't put with do you do YouTube shots or anything like that start doing YouTube shots you then post these you then post these videos on YouTube as well don't you I post the full thing on YouTube okay well you can do a YouTube shot the day

before the YouTube video comes out there you go. Yeah, but I... Bro, there's stuff you can schedule with. I know the whole, like, ah, I can't be asked... You have an editor for this, right? Can't you just post the same video

you do for Instagram? Just clip it, bro. No, but I just mean in terms of, like... Do you mean distro? I want the content to come out every week, but if I put it out every week, not everyone fucking watches it. So then the algorithm goes,

well, that wasn't good. Let's not make the next one. No, I do biweekly, and honestly, it's the... I feel like the art of click-biting is coming back around. I know. But you've got to get...

It's not even the out of clip-deakins thing. It's the out of one-lining. So I think you've got to get the one-liners in on your YouTube reels, on your Instagram reels, on your TikToks or whatnot. Get those one-liners in, get the hook in, get the link in,

and then there you go from there. Yeah, because I did one video, the last one. So the last episode I did, this will be well old by the time this comes out, but the guy from Mondeath, who I saw at the Flying Duck, actually. Episode did the first three days

only like 8,000 audio, 4,000 video, which is not great. The audio's probably standard 8 to 10 in the first few days. And then the TikTok and the reel, which was the best death metal, you know, the minute you fucking go to someone to say that they disagree. Best death metal logos of all time, 200,000 views. That's TikTok. Oh, my fucking hates, like deliberately riling people up. You've got to, well, this is, it's not even that, though.

You've got to find the thing which can make people bite to have the interest. But in terms of the distro and, like, putting it out every week and stuff like that, I'd probably do what hit five six does, Sonny, and start doing polls. That is the smartest way. That's clever. The dude is one of my actual, like, idols in terms of work. Yeah, he's a fucking legend. Like, the fact he's, like, done all this on his own and shit, like, for real, like, he's one of my, like, heroes.

We're all there, man. Oh, bro. Insane. Like, absolutely. I was like... He's the only Patreon that I'm subscribed to. He's literally the only one. He's so good. But, like, he rolls it out by doing votes every week. That's fucking smart.

That's so smart. My thought was you could do votes every week and then you could do reward tiers for how many times you voted. Even if it's just a little snippet, even if it's just giving someone that little bit extra thing. You know? Oh, you voted five times

on the past ten polls or some shit? You get something here. It encourages people to come more. It encourages a scheduling. It encourages what people want. So you're talking about that thing of releasing stuff early because stuff's hype or whatever. Yeah. That allows that to actually function and take place.

So say you're going to drop something from band A. And people don't actually want it as much as you think they do. You are so fucking clever. It's crazy. That's why I asked you. And look at you fucking. Smacked it right out of the park. This is all silly.

You are fucking clever. No. No, but for you to this. draw the parallel with sunny in itself implies a degree of cleverness it's not wrong smart wait we are fucking real late oh i'm sorry done most of these yeah most of those are fine kick that all right yeah you want to do a dream festival what you got a plug you got plug some shit you're going to america you're going it will be out by then okay unless we do a poll the polls oh yeah that's the polls fucked it you just you just

ruined every idea we had before it came out but no so we've got the redux of the album coming out it's got a cool few features on it some new versions of songs new features yeah because we've got an album with only one feature from my homie king yosif but the rest of the album's completely featureless but this time slap some people on we've slapped some people on but it's not obvious people we've slapped on stuff you got currently right now as of now now we're working on a couple but slapped in we have got

um sophy meers uh on attempt eight we've done a redux that sounds like i don't say it sounds like it's like it's not uh don't know it's like 80s type yeah i think the kind of way i want to do it was stand by m&m meets gunship a little bit yeah which is like a bit i love gunship which is like a bit dark wave so it's still the original song it's got the original guitar take of me recording it and it sounding fucking dreadful and then it like on the toilet has some Watching Matrix 4. Watching Matrix 4.

Killing myself. Yeah, sound. No, it has some stuff and some switchups in there, which is really cool. And then we've got my, one of my best friends ever, Jess, from World of Pleasure

on The Redux of Courtney Just Relax, which we've made so heavy. Yeah, we put a blast beat in there. Yeah, we put a blast beat in there and everything. Fucking, yeah. Thanks Satan. Well, we started, on the Bring Me Saul, we just kept making it heavier and heavier and heavier.

And then by the end of it, I was just like, yo, this would be really good if we did all of this shit in a song. And then, like a lot of people's critiques

on the record came from the mixed perspective, especially on that song, because the way we mixed it and the way Eric did a lot of stuff is we wanted it to sound real. Yeah. And I don't know if you've noticed this,

but people don't like the sound of... People love to say that they do and then they don't. You give it to them and they go, oh, this is a big shit. I know loads of fucking big bands who did their mix

with someone who does real drums and then they slap samples on it after us because they thought they wanted it. There's no samples on our record. There's no samples. Your record sounds like it was made in 2005. I mean, in the nicest possible way. When someone says that though,

I don't know if that's a compliment or not, because I hear that and I go, every record that I know from 2005 sounds like shit. No, I mean, that's me just picking a spot in the 2000s. I mean, like, early mid-2000s where heavy music wasn't gridded yet. It was abrasive. It was like, maybe they triggered the kick drum,

sometimes, but for the most part, it was unedited and mixed. Still real. That's what we wanted. We want like a lot of roomy drums and we wanted like a big sound to it because you got everyone now who just does the close mic, sample replayer, sample reinforce, Stephen Slayer, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and it's done. And you're like, all right, okay, cool, this drum mix sounds like, I don't know. It just sounds like everybody else. I feel like people are, you're right, the P bands are like, oh, we want real drums and then they don't. They don't, yeah. But they hear a symbol and they go, oh, my ears. I feel, exactly. I like the consumer, the music listener, I hate to call them consumers, but they are consume,

I feel like they are getting like nice production fatigue. Yeah. Something comes out and it's a bit abrasive, like you said, and then they go, I like this, but I don't know why. Yeah, yeah. Because it's different. It's a different texture. There's a lot of big bands at the minute and like this is the thing which we talk about

quite often and it's the thing which we have a problem like kind of across the board with is you'll go and listen to some big. bands right now and you're like this is just so nice on your ears that it's boring as fuck breakdowns kicked in and it's the digitech drop tune whammy like octave down two guitar going dub dum dum dum dum and there's not actually a riff there yeah it's just chugging with mad production behind mad production the paramour fucking misery business snare the biggest thing for me is like all my favorite drum sounds are all real all real black album all real like the best mix of all time. I agree.

Oh, come on, Matrix 4. Give me a better kick and snare than the black album. Don't say something wacky. Can you carry on back Sunday? Yeah, you think, carry on. The

Queens of the Stone Age record but that has no one knows on it. Songs for the death. Yeah. Fantastic. Anything, anything Eric Valentine is crazy. Like louder now, taking about Sunday, unbelievable. Also, the Songs for the death.

Dave Grohl hitting those drums. Come on, man. Sunspots by nine inch nails on with teeth. A lot of people don't know this. Dave Grohl playing drums. Same. You get this. That's my...

Holy shit. That is one of my favorite kick and snares ever. Sunspots, nine inch nails. And it is like the realest shit ever. Yeah. The snare has this... Like one step away from St. Anger, but it's fucking works.

It's so good. That has its own characteristic. No one's dragging and... dropping that into a mix bus. No one's driving them dropping that into something that anyone else has. And it's what's missing from a lot of music now is because it's almost like people are just using MIDI drums again. They really fucking are.

It's shit, man. It's so shit. Like, filtered votes. When you don't have to, when it's slow. What do you think about it, Craig? What about fucking... Samples? Digit drums.

Yeah. Hate them. On our record... Have you got sample reinforced on yours? On this record, there's one section where there's a room mic on the snobes. that was like to make a bigger snare but the rest of it the rest of it is completely fucking raw dog I like that's sick beat my fucking ass and the thing is what people didn't realize because we streamed the whole recording process yeah

what people didn't realize was to get that consistency to get the black album consistency and keep real fucking drums I had to punt I punched in section yeah retune all the drums section I had people in the chat on Twitch like oh this guy doesn't even know his own songs it's like no we're trying to make it real for you. I hit I twat this snare drum as hard as fucking possible for eight bars ten times to get the take yeah it's gonna change so we've got a retune it and all that shit like there's there's I don't remember who it was by watching a documentary and they had a mock kit set up so when they were right in the

part they play on that and then when they got to record he jumps back to the real kit whilst the engineer would be retuning yeah it's like the that's clever yeah it's that's like the good way what snow are you using on the record you got a V-Qarer right Tamabell Ross he's got I have a VK hoops on it though. I do also have a VK. How heavy is it? The VK is 38 pounds so nearly 20 kilos and the Tama Bell brass is just under that. You notice the actual is an actual is it worth it? The Bell brass is the VK I will say this about the VK is a 5 mil cast bronze so the the Tamabell brass is for anyone

doesn't know even though I talk about it every fucking episode is good the black owl it's never mind it's rage against machine self-titled is every every album in the 90s with a real fucking snare that was incredible is the bell brass three-mill cast bronze VK made a five-mill and for me it's just too much like that deaden it a bit like yeah it's like the force that you have to put in to like activate three-mill enough is already like I need to be fucking punching through the floor and to do it to five it's when I see someone using that and then has a Evan's hybrid on top, I'm like, what the fuck is the point? Makes every drum.

I met Miles Orrick at Reding Fest. No way. He had a ball brass as well. Of course he fucking shit, man. I was like, fucking shit. Shit, man. What did we record the album on? We did three different sounds. Superphonic, Ludwig's super funny. And a Vinny Paul.

The Vinny pool is like a low-key, unreal fucking drum. Yeah, it's sick, man. For just like a fucking eight-ply maple. They really had to get now, though, right? Yeah, but on the bring me tour My dad's got a Q, Q Brasner

It's because he's dead Yeah, sorry, that's a bit much But he is, R-O-P Yeah, carry on Pantara's a bit, he's a miss for me Really? Yeah, they've got a lot of shit Yeah, musically, love it.

Musically, unbelievable, yeah Stories I hear about other people From other people Yeah, fuck all that shit Yeah, it's fucking shite Go on, Q, plate the plate brass yeah yeah man it's fucking unreal

yeah I use one of those on late night with Seth Myers and it was fucking great that was that close to a bell brass yeah that thing's unreal are the cue yeah fucking unbelievable we use a copper cue on the record

yeah the best sounding drum care I think I've ever heard in my life I can remember what heads we had on it I don't even think it was anything man special or was it they just like no they were just like clear

clear like UV ones yeah no no UV2 UV2 yeah yeah W's would be fucked. UV-1s, UV-2 is incredible. Yeah, they were sick one. They were so, so good.

I mean, we did so many different snare tunes as well. Like, on this, I think it's literally every other song is a different snare. Like, it changes, like, it's no, never consistent. Because I was like, I want it to be characteristic to the song, because each song has a different mix on the record. That's cool. Yeah. Because I sat there with Eric and I was like, yo, I don't want someone to be like,

oh, yeah, I really like this song and this sound, and then have an album full of it. because you get people who release an album these days, you get the singles, and then you get everything else, which is just filler. People don't listen to albums, they listen to albums now because you jump to Spotify

and you go, that's my favourite, that's my favourite, and then you never revisit that page again. So I was like, okay, if we have as much chance on a first record to get a sound which someone likes, then we know where we can start going as a band

and when we can start filling it out and be like, this sound works for us. And also, like, just gives the listener a little bit of variation. Of course. And it gets, It get, like a flat mix across a whole record,

especially like a diggy mix, there'll be like a clean section or whatever, and then you have drums that go, like, like one, the only other record I can think of with a different mix of every song is a second, a perfect circle record. I don't know if either of you fuck with a perfect circle. It's like tool two basically.

Tall two, but the first two records are incredible. Yeah. But different mix on every song. A fucking incredible kick. an air mix. There's also that band I don't you ever heard

in that my ticket home yeah that I talk about him it was that was it spit not,

it's hyper real I think that's a different mix on every single yeah I'm fairly sure it is that album

that band disappeared the vocalist got another project now but for me I yeah something like that

it's quite good it's sad I cannot think a reason why that band didn't work because I look at it on

every single level and I'm like this is set up for success because I'm like the sound ahead of its time definitely was. If they were a band currently

now they'd be the biggest fucking thing. Riffs insane. Chorus is catchy but not always singing. The singing actually good and nice to listen to and catchy memorable band looks great. Like they're a fucking good live. We did

get this, 2017 bare tooth straight from the path my ticket home and it was like 500 caps bear tooth were 500 caps are What era was my ticket home in there? Because they used to have the metal car era, which was fucking...

No, it was... They were singing. Okay. Yeah, it was in their grunge. Oh, so it was in the good era. Yeah, when they just... Lad, it was... Whatever record was the grunge one.

It was the one that Spittnotchie was on. Strangers Only. Yeah. Yeah. The one with the, like, oil spill on the front. That record... That record is so good.

And it's just a shit. It just is a real shame, you know? Because I know... I hear people now ripping that off. And I'm like, God damn it, nothing will ever be as good as that record now, you know. You didn't fucking get anywhere.

We need to talk about your fucking dream festival because we haven't done anything. So we're gonna go, well, I'll talk you through it, it's absolutely fine. No, we've been waiting for this. We know all this shit. You know, we know this fucking... I love it when people actually do, because some... I wrote it out.

People are like, well, you got it with you? Yeah, I've got it with me. Bollocks. Bro, my... You know how my brain works, it's terrible. I do now, I love it. I have to write to-doos per day. Like, if she's not around, I'm fucked.

I actually love it. It's so. bad. Can you just reel it off then? Well, we can fucking save a lot of time here. I've also got details as well that I'd do. Would you, would you like me to do it in typical manner? You can do him in typical manner. Oh, is it, we separate?

Yeah, we're separate. I mean, we did, I haven't told you any of mine, but I know yours and yours is really good. I almost like yours so much. I'd probably take yours for some of it. All right, let's do it then. Okay. So do we have to play? That's one of the rules, then.

Yes, that's the only rule. We have to play. You have to play. We'll fit on anyone. That's fine. Can I make Yeah, go on No, go on

No I really like that jacket It's really good Sorry, it's really warm I put it on The nose like Oh, these lights are actually Ha ha ha

You can take it all? No Okay So I'm doing Sam first You're gonna research yours I'm, I've got in front of me But you can just do him first Because I just need to

Sam, dream festival Oh, it's in Hawaii You know exactly where I'm I love this Thank you for listening You're all Is it in Hawaii? Have you ever been?

No You just always wanted to go Yeah Yeah Great fucking answer. What's your accommodation? We're all in, we stayed in this hotel

and the Bring Me Tour. I mean, so the Bring Me Festival called the Corinthia. You are my dream guest for the Dream Festival. What was the hotel? Corinthia. Corinthia Palace.

It was the only five-star hotel on the island. In Malta? Yeah. We had a fucking sick. It was, I wish you were there, great, because it was never going to happen again. I wish someone fucking asked me,

though, it didn't. It was so fucking good. all ran it like it was so big that we just turned off and was like yo okay like marble ceilings pillars and all this other like the d like the matrix matrix lobby shit oh like that in two yes like in that sequence where it's all the knives up the wall and shit it was literally like that it was like we were just like we're never going to experience this again so let's fucking so everyone just take it for a ride so we all ran into each other's rooms and we opened like every single cupboard every single draw it was like robes and shit yeah so every equivalent of going mental

We opened all the cupboards. Right, hear me out. Hear me out. Everyone went nuts. Everyone ran into one room. Everyone, you could just hear everyone in each other room going, Oh my God!

At the same time. Everyone then ran back out in the corridor and did the same thing. I've had the dressing gown. The slippers on my. Everyone was wearing it. It was like, get the fuck in. Get the fucking.

It was. Yeah. So yeah, mine's going to be there. Hawaii. Yeah. What's your catering? So there's the first dining we went into America in America It's called Bob's Diner

It's in Philadelphia But it's like 40 minutes out of Philadelphia Because there's a Bob's cheese steak place In Philadelphia as well I think it might be different What are you having from your diner? So for breakfast we're going to have two meals Nice I love how prepared you are

This is my fucking thing I just want the podcast to get big enough That people want to come like you First guest who's out of I've been thinking about this for two years, man. Every time you ask someone, I'm like, what the... I love it, because sometimes people don't get the concept, which is like, you draw from your own experiences

and tell me them on the podcast. People just go, oh, kind of like baked beans. I hope we'd have baked beans. Right, tell me about this diner. Yeah, so first meal is like, they did like egg, like scrambled eggs and like home fries and shit. And I just blew my mind when we went there.

I know it's very simple. I love home fries. Why don't we have home fries? in this country. It's fucking stupid. We have shit things like wedges and... Yeah, but home fries like live between the realms of

the chip and the wedge. Like a weird... Like a weird like, yeah, non-binary chip. They're banging. Somewhere in between the two. So, continue. Yeah, there'll be that.

That'll be the main dish, but there'll be like vegan option, vegetarian option and that. Just bodied you with that. Non-binary chip. Is that home fry? All right, okay, and what's your dinner? My friend makes pizza.

It's called Slice culture. We're gonna have pizza. Slice culture, where's that? It's in Stoke on Trent. Best person of the world. Are you from Stoke? No, he doesn't. I've been to Stoke.

I've been to Stoke. I've been to Stoke. Underground? Yeah, I hope you pack your drums were you there? You fucking did. Was that riotrophy or something? Was that straight? That was straight?

Yeah, yeah. Fuck me. Was that ages ago? That was five years ago. Wow. Yeah, I met you at Slice. I met you at Slam dunk. You played and I was like,

oh, I'm going to be at the Stoke show and you were like, oh yeah, sick. Then I fucking fanboyed at the end, like pressure. You're like, great, let me pack your drums. You were like, you're a song. And then you taught me about the moon gel trick where you cut the head. I remember this vividly.

Dude, this was fucking like five years ago, man. I wasn't a, my God. No, you were sound as fuck. You hear that, everyone? It's changed. Yeah, you changed. No, is it? You changed that.

You changed that. They're fucking. So I'm sorry so hard. Like my girlfriend, any time I meet anyone, like, afterwards, I'd just literally,

I'm like, I wasn't like, because I was, I was fucking like, I don't know what's wrong with me. So I have like a interaction with someone. And then I'm like, oh no,

did I say something? No, I'll always remember that. I was like, to the point where, and the one thing, I don't know, the one thing that I don't get is,

like, I never assume people know who I am. So when I go to a show in Glasgow, and I'm shit with people, names and people I've met and everything and I'll get like someone will come up to me and they they do this right and it's because they are saying I know who you are it's nice to meet you and in my head my I fucking fight or like fight or flight I'm like I'm supposed to know this person who is this person I met this person before I haven't met this but and I'm like

what's up man and every time I'm like I just feel like yeah I have really bad so Simon Simon please edit the word to see word out sorry Did you know, see word? No, because YouTube immediately gets rid of all advertising. Boris. It sucks, they don't understand our culture. I mean, it's a bit strong, though, let's be honest. Is it?

Not in this country? Not in this country, but in other countries, it's like, ble. And then gets to Australia, and it's just like saying, mate. We're in Scotland, man. Oh, to be fair. It's not just saying, okay. No, I do get you on that social thing.

Like, I have really, really bad social anxiety a lot of the time. So when someone comes up and they're like, I'm like, I don't know what, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I freeze, like, there's a few instances in America where someone just comes up and screams, and I'm like, hello.

Yeah, so what I'm meant to do? Scream back at you? Like, it's really weird because we're definitely not at the level where we're never going to run into people and you can stay away and everything's like all fine and stuff. But we're not at the level where we can kind of walk around and everything's finally not going to get,

not pestered, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's not like I'm grateful for it at all, but it's like sometimes there's the ones who have no social barrier and then when you're someone who suffers with shit like me it's like okay this is fucking terrifying and it's like a minefield a lot of the time

I've noticed in in Glasgow actually that every interaction has been perfect like other than the only time it gets me is when people do this thing and they're just and they don't say anything and I'm in my head I'm just like oh my God I'm supposed to know this person

and I'm just worried about being rude and then they usually it's just like i'll have the podcast on like fuck yeah that's it whatever um how did i get onto that i can't you remember you're on about stoke-untrunk we're on about stoke-on why do you say it's the best place in the world so our original rehearsal room um was based there it's where we did everything for the prologue soundtrack the comic book that we did before the album um where we did all the music videos for it where we wrote a lot of it where we even recorded some of it as well um was all done inside this tiny, tiny concrete, and I mean concrete from the ceiling, floor, walls.

It was the coldest room we've ever been in. It was snowing outside, right? I would go outside to warm up. There was a draft that was so bad. Yeah, you're in a fucking fridge. I slept in there on some nights to, like, get stuff done. And I'm not even kidding, this shit was so haunted that I thought it was one of these lot who were stood above me, right?

I'm a sleep in a sleeping bag I've got all my clothes on all my clothes on for the next day on two sleeping bags on as well I've got a heater that's just blasting out like about this much heat before it disappears

and I'm like okay I'm finally gonna get to sleep so I just close my eyes and then I can just feel someone going over the top of my face and I'm like bro I literally was like yo I literally said out I was like give up

and then they did it again so I just like that I just went for it and I was just like punching him when he makes my mate in effect. No, because it was just like constantly doing it and I was just like, I'll, you know, you keep doing it.

I'll, yeah. So I just went like that and then I was just like, just fuck off. And then one of them woke up and they're just like, what? And I look over on the other side of the room, in bed. Oh, scary shit. And I was like, yo, fuck this. Like, yeah, it was, I don't know whether I was just going so cold that I was like, my head was going nuts,

but like it was rough. But anyway, yeah, back to Stoke. So we, I basically lived, in stoke for like in my house yeah yeah for like a month so i was working at this factory i'd be like started like 6 a m and then drop ollie off at the room and then he'd like be doing video shit and then i'd go back to him and then yeah we'd uh how long was this this was this was that last year that was last year no no two years ago was it two years ago oh no it was last year yeah so okay now that's that's recent i was thinking this is five years ago oh that's like it's yeah like we've only really been a band for three in a bit, you know?

So it's like a short time. It's a good place to be signing on album one boy is fucking good for you. It is crazy. But yeah, so I lived basically at Sam's house for near enough a month, pretty much, because I'd be, we'd have to, I'd get dropped off at the room at 535 around about every day, AM. A.m. Yeah.

And then we'd be shooting at this room, which is literally about negative four, the whole day mind. So I'd be painting, doing things, putting flooring down, sorting out lights, shooting B-roll on my own, like a camera on a tripod and just shooting it because obviously he's at work. He'd then come back from work, help me with it, we'd shoot drum takes, and then I'd go back to his and we'd get home to yours for about half nine or something like that. And then the next day we do exactly the same thing. Yeah, I'll never forget it. Yeah, I'll never forget it. Because I was just like, I want to fucking die. Video looks. Yeah, there's shots in the such a shame video where you see my lips are actually blue.

And there's a shot that I've got where it's I've taken on my phone. And I've shot it of Sam, who's in like, hat, scarf, hoodie, coat, like the full bang, because it's that cold in there. And I'm in pants that are about this thing. I'm in a top that's see-through. I've got no shoes, no socks on.

And I was doing, I did it for like two hours. And I was so cold that I just, like, I could feel each hair follicle on my head. Fucking out. Yeah. So yeah, I'd have a little. that's like I scorcher from Stoke. Yeah, it's not real.

Stoke is the best place in the world because you go out into the town and it's like, it's stuck in the 90s. You've been there, Craig? I've been there and I've watched tons of movies setting there. I love fucking Shane Meadows movies, all of those.

I don't know, it's just, Stoke's so good. Everyone you meet there is actually just nice to talk to. Stoke beefs me, big. Why? It's the fucking, so weird. Did you like it off? No, the same reason

I had beef with Faisal from Love. It's come up on the, the podcast before. The holding absence thing, I'd be for holding absence. I remember that. Yeah, right, that whole thing came from, there was two people from Stoke

who were... Was it you? No, I... Since that interaction that we had at the underground, I've chatted to you on social media, I don't know if it was it, I mean, you've been fucking right under the bus. It was two kids that were moaning,

three kids, and then their girlfriends, extended friends that were moaning about the postage price for our BLM I wasn't even BLM actually it was George Floyd it was we were doing a t-shirt to defund Minnesota police

and the shipping was quite expensive because it was really expensive but it was like it was a champion hoodie I think or something and these kids were moaning about it and I just fucking wrote I roasted them on Twitter and then they fucking went nuts they let they

They went fucking mental and it was like, I felt like a whole of stoke was against me. People loved you from there, man. Was stoked, man, coming back. Right, anyway, let's get to some fucking music. Do a live podcast, sir. You'll fucking blow the whole tunnel. Only if it can be the other.

I'll be like, holy shit, a camera. Well, yeah. Everyone just paid a cash show. That records straight to DVD. No, I'd be like, that got a VHS. But honestly, I love it so much. Like, like I say, everyone you meet there. Everyone still use fucking cash.

Like, you walk in, I was like, oh, contact us and they're like, what? And I was like, holy shit. Wow, I haven't been for a minute. The tills way. Still be exactly the same. But you press the button and the receipt comes out. That was a crazy one.

The best thing I've ever bought there is a a Madonna patch. It's like the worst thing you've ever seen in your life. Not just... Madonna? Thought he said, Dona. Cabbas patch. All right, I'm having pizza from Stoke.

Slice culture pizza from Stoke. Who's the headliner? Uh, I've got two days. Nice. Thank you. I'm going to go from bottom. He's broken. Gonna go from bottom up. Okay. Go.

take it away we'll be on first because i want to watch yeah best i'll i'll take first and then uh there's this rapper called bones from america he's like one of my favorite artists of all time he's gonna be on and we're gonna have lincoln park playing hybrid theory in four how is just as alive he's alive didn't didn't die didn't die perfect and then uh the reanimation episodes get a bit yeah it's a bit of a fucking dystopia there and we start talking about that i'm glad that he hasn't died carry on and then uh smashing pumpkins playing simi's dreaming for i was gonna say i like one smashing pumpkins album man is that one

yeah that's one of my favorite albums all time so yeah gonna have them and then uh metallica em metallic are the most featured on the dream festival don't roll your fucking eyes watch me because you'll be fucking blame with them at some point so fucking you're gonna have to start being nice they're just the band that everyone's like yeah that i don't get but i mean i feel like more people are like no So like more people now hate them. Really?

Yeah, so come on, it's cool. That's rare because I don't know where they are, because I just feel like a prick every time so what mentions them and I'm like, uh, you're on. It's like... Trust me, bro. Start being nice about Mattalaya. Oh yeah, everyone's gonna come from me now.

I get hate daily. This is just another thing to out. No, I just mean because Metallica will find out who you are and want to take you on tour at some point, and we don't know miles, no? No, Miles is something like, yeah? I'm willing that out there. Like what they did for music, I'm like all for,

but like for me, it just, it just, pass. Oh well, fuck it. They play my fest, all right. My Fest, my rules. What's the Metallica set? So they're going to be time travel back to 993. And then they're going to come back young.

Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, and they'll just play it. Like, you must appreciate the stages and the fits from 90s Metallica. First five albums. Unreal. Yeah. Unfathomable, honestly.

Like, this is what I mean, like, genre defining. Absolutely. Lars is like one of the first people to have his fucking shirt. Like, I shirt off and gloves and a headband. I tried shirt off with gloves on our first tour back after COVID I spent all the COVID being like I'm gonna wear gloves The whole of COVID I was like I'm coming back and it's gonna be like season two baby I'm gonna have gloves Shirt off look like a fucking psycho and I didn't even try a band practice with him I went straight in on a show

Fucked up the whole show I can imagine about it was fucking horrible it was fucking real bad but it looked cool what was Those minor ones? No, like the fucking, whatever the thing, I think it was like, like, fingalus. Yeah, yeah. It looked sick as fuck, but I couldn't play with them. Just like an extra from Tomb Raider.

Yeah, it looked like I was about to bust out like a fireball, but it was like, I couldn't play with them. I'm gonna try again, because I think it's a cool look. Anyway. Just do the one. Just do the one. Yeah, so Metallica playing first five albums. Like, okay, first, first, first five albums. First five albums.

Yeah, I'm going to pick the set and you're just going to play it. Perfect. What's your after party? Oh, I'm not done. Oh, sorry. Got two more bands to go. Carry on. After Metallica?

Yeah. Jesus. It's two days, so they spread out from two days. Metallica can headline the Saturday. Day two. Download two. Yeah, so we're on again, unfortunately. Oh, what the fuck, no.

Oh, you don't have to play both days. Oh, just the first day then. And then, yeah, I'm just got two bands on this day. I've got Paramour, but we've got three drummers. No, four drummers. We've got Zach Farrow. Zach Farrow's going to play early stuff. Yeah.

Then Aaron Glessby's going to come on. Then we've got Ilam Rubin. And then Connor Dennis is going to come on play for Paramo. I feel like Connor Dennis' future is in something like that. No disrespect to bear to for whatever. But I feel like someone massive is going to poach him one day. Yeah, he needs to be in a fucking giant band. As I was talking about the other day,

because Loudwater did a thing about like, who should be the next food fighters' drama. And I just replied and was like, it should be. Yeah. It won't be, but it should be. It should be, yeah? 100%. Guys are fucking freak shows.

And then headliners are Robbie Williams. Serious? Serious. Robbie Williams playing after pound. You need to watch easily. You need to watch this Nabworth set, man. It comes on stage upside down. Hung upside down.

Screen's open. Sorry. Screen's open like that. I can get upside. That fucking had a little bit then. Screen's open. He's hung upside down. Wearing sunglasses.

Everyone's going fucking nuts. Let's lower down. just come straight in. I mean, I'm not disrespecting it, I'm just shocked. Do you remember, like the rock DJ video? When he takes his skin off? Unreal. So sick. I only saw that for the first time, like a few weeks,

because we absolutely blast him in the van. He's going to do that live. That's going to be the end of Robb Williams. He's going to die. One of my favorite, one of my favorite things. The favorite, like, mean moment is when Robbie Williams was asked something on TV about something

and he referred to his wife as his current wife and it was just like the interview carried on and then he just got smoked on social media for it.

Yeah my current wife is implying like then we another one my stopgap wife pretty good all right what's your after party because I'm just looking at my hard drive

is like and we've got 36 minutes I just want to make sure I can After party is going to be just everyone chilling and then we're going to have a full of guitar hero like you know them arcade games oh i know guitar yeah we're gonna have you're gonna have you're gonna have 36 just those big ones you have an arcades oh we're gonna have 10 of them

and then we're gonna have seven aside football nice it's pretty fucking good well like real football yeah like astro too seven to size i'm i'm playing guitar hero yeah so yeah festival right oh of robbie i've got i've got i've got i've got act but i've missed a few details go on Do you want me to talk you through it? We'll start. Let's talk me through and I'll just get what I go. Where in the world is it located? Oh, that was the one I didn't have to be honest.

Let's go with Stoke. Yeah, that's go with Stoke. Mine was going to be there, but I'll go with Stoke. There we go, right, we're going for Stoke. What's your accommodation? Corinthia Palace. No, the Crown in Stoke. Fuck me.

Is that a hotel? The worst hotel ever. Fuck yeah. We filmed scenes of a music video in there and I was in the bath underwater and I got so ill from residue which came off the bath. Pooh-poo. I don't know. Pooh, poo-poo.

Oh my God. The other one. General Stoke. Yeah. Stoke juice. Stoke juice. Honestly, I inhaled so much shit that I got so ill

for about a month. From just the water. Like, I remember we filled the bath and the water went black and I was like, why is it gone black? It's just filled. So yeah, everyone has stopped there.

So then when you get to the festival it's the biggest relief in the world. Perfect. Okay. What's your catering? Are you got any anyone in the band vegan veggie? Anyone? I don't eat meat, but eat fish.

I was vegan, then I went blind. The worst kind of vegetarian. Did you? Yeah. It fucked me up. It fucked me up that I've been recovering from it for a while. Fucking out. Yeah.

It's so shit. Because I'm also on other meds as well that I can't take the supplements with. Oh, shit. So it's kind of like, yeah. I've got a bit of a fucking, like, ring around the rosies with my meds. at the moment. You can't do this. You can't do that.

I'm just like, I'll just do it. Yeah, I used to think that for a good minute. And then after about a month of being like that, you fucking go insane. And you're like, oh, this is not normal, is it? And, yeah, I can't risk just fucking doing it for the sake of it. So I'm like, conscious, you know? Yeah, I'm saying my best.

I'm the same. What's your catering? Um, I haven't got this one either. What the fuck do you have? I've just got. Matrix written down five times. Matrix 5, the reboot We're doing Matrix 5

Unreal Um Katering What was your fate This man was so You're now Yeah but you're now being Normal guest

So I'm used to this That if you're watching And you want to come on a downbeat That was how you do the fucking dream festival That's two years prep That's like But that was like You had a story

About every single little thing It was That's my fucking guy right there And On drums every day What? It's a shame your band's fucking big now. You can be a good drum tech.

I'm in the market for one. What's your catering? What should, like, think we're doing a festival. You're never going to believe who's catering or what's catering. I'd actually go bobs as well. Yeah. Fuck it. It was so good.

Apart from the first day that I burnt my mouth so bad. That was pissed off. But that's a you problem. Burning your mouth when you're eating, you cannot blame anyone except yourself. Apart from, a simple test. Okay. That's hot. The one bad, no, the one bad thing.

I bit the bun. The bun was room temperature. And you want this person to cater your... Yeah, because it's on, because it's fucking unreal. I think you should get the Ivy to get it for. Oh, the Ivy, yeah, big up. The Ivy's catering and it's all paid for by someone else because that shit's the best feeling in the world.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Shout out Ian on that one. We're in. Nice. Yeah, great. Yeah, you know, great time. I don't fucking get you down the Ivy did, eh? No, I was just a celebratory meal.

It was just Ivy galore and... Would you have? A lot. And what did you eat? I can't even remember those so much. I was being cryptic about what you had to eat. Bro, I eat a lot. What didn't I eat?

Look at the menu, pick some eyes. You never guess what are a guitarist, didn't it? He just stared out the window all the time. So I got like a big rule for it. So I'd have no phones and no alcohol. Unreal festival. What about the festival? Yeah.

No phones. No phones allowed the entire time. Like you watch Woodstock, you watch like all that shit from back in the day where it's like insane. shows. No one has a phone. Like I recently watched a video of um, sales and playing, um, chain reaction in 2003, not a single phone in sight because everyone's got their arms in the end. They're like, yeah, if you're too busy doing this and then you're like, all right now I got my phone away. That's like disconnect. You're not going

to mosh as hard because you've got your phone in your pocket. You're not going to go in as hard because you got your phone in your pocket. No one has the phone on them. You've got to rely on talking to people and probably meeting new people as well. And I was just like the social connection of not being able to be a, like, have a device on you, would be immaculate. It's also never going to happen. No, no, it's not. But it's a dream festival, so it's good.

Yeah, so it's allowed. That's good, I'm in, I'm in, I mean. I'm in. I mean. So I'm going to have three stages. I've only done them one day. So I'm going to pull a bit of a, um, when we were young festival, where you just have to kind of like... There's that other one that's on at the moment. It's a new metal one, right?

It's fucking sick. It's crazy. So much fucking crazy goff shit there. I just saw it. I was like, I wish I was there wearing new rocks. Yeah. give you a bit of a back problem though. Do they?

A little bit. You want heels before? Yeah, fuck yeah. I learned to running heels in my first job because I got bet 20 quid that I couldn't do it. So I practiced every single day that that person wasn't in. And then I was flying at the end of it.

And those 10,000 hours have now gone into static dress. Yeah, pretty much. For the success. I just saw a guy throw up in a shoe, but that's a story for another day. So I've got three stages I've got. I've got like the mates, mates and like my personal

favour is it. Perfect. So I do pest control, cedar pain. Pest control played the fucking the other day as well. That was the number one I was fucking annoyed about. Yeah, it's like thrash, hardcore crossover kind of thing. They're really fucking sick. Really good. Really good people as well.

So yeah, big of them. Pest control, Cedar pain, cauldron, despise. Harriet. Caldron from Birmingham? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really, really good. I've heard the new stuff they've got coming out as well and it's It's a fucking sick name as well, aren't it? Oh, yeah. Coldron. Codron.

Which I'd thought of that. Go from there. Despise Harriet. T.S. War Spy. Harriet's fucking sick. Yeah. Shout out of the fucking them. They're so sound.

So, so, soundbound. Life's Question. Third Face. World of Pleasure. And then headline would be Zulu. You ever heard them? Zulu's fucking sick. Unbelievable band.

Yeah. I think they opened. Did they open a day? I think they're on second. Yeah. And I was just like, I have never wanted to mosh so early in my life.

Any band that says the name of their band in the first fucking eight bars when it's a mosh part, I'm just like, I'm in. Honestly, that's why, like, anything, just everything about that band is so good. Like, the actual message that they have as well, I think is mad important.

And their visuals as well and the way they look, also mad important and mad unique to them and just fucking incredible and, like, aspirational, you know what I'm saying? It's just fucking great all through. main stage I'll do second stage first

so I'd have VR sex opening it my ticket home choir boy rich people movements code orange in I am king era I was gonna say

yeah whoa oh I'm on roadrunner now I've got to be friends with everyone they're not on roadrunner anymore are they not no they're on blue grape which is I think it's Dave Rath's new label

it's like great mate the best fucking t-shirts I know That's what, that came to my head as well. I don't know if it is, is it blue grape. Yeah, it is, I remember. Oh, do you know? You in the now?

It is blue grape. But why did you pick I Am King era then? Because it's the best. Yeah, because it's the best. That's the best. That's why I said, that era is like, so there's, there's two bands off the top of my head right now that I've watched and genuinely been scared whilst watching.

It was Code Orange when they were just changing over into the forever album cycle, so they were just coming out of that one. And then sanction at Upsuch Fest. Like, those two moments of the, like, two moments I've been scared whilst watching a band and for me like I Am King just unbelievable like unbelievable record forever

I am forever love them yeah the rest of it not for me I love that I in fact I love the aesthetic and the videos and what they did with the live stream post those two albums but music really doesn't doesn't resonate with me that much

fair enough I then have incendiary and then headline yeah fucking sick band best band man best band best people I then have for headline Anastasia performing self-titled in full fuck yeah

that's all you guys were the pop headowners yeah literally when when Malav did that cover it's so serious I was like are you fucking messing yeah it was yeah it's everyone tried to get them not to do that everyone like because it was fucking Will Pantney's producing it all like all of them

was just like well just do it like a metal cover and they were like now we're doing this and they fucking bossed it they are some of the best people yeah like i've and the band is fucking incredible i've watched that band for so many years like forever forever like and to see it where it's going now and now they're like working with people because they were like mad inspirational DIY you know running their own label doing another thing lifting up all these bands that they believed in and shit it was just

i'm glad it didn't fucking fizzle out though i'm glad they took they took help at some point because it was getting to point they did 2013 to 2015 they were just like fucking DIY, this is it, this is it. And then it was like, EP, another EP. I remember just thinking from afar, just let someone help you because you're really fucking good. You've reached the limit of DIY, it's the time. Live as well, one of the tightest bands.

Charlie's one of my favourite drummers for sure. Yeah, he's crazy. I've said this to him, the set up, you look at it on the setup that he's got and you just think, oh, I don't know, like, it's like the type of set up that you do when you're just building your drum kit out when you got money and you're like, oh, I want more Tom's and I want more symbols. Three up top. Yeah.

Three, two. Splash, splash, splash, slash, crash, crash, crash. But he hits it all. He hits it all and he plays it all so well and it's fucking sick. Like, yeah, unfathomable band. So then we go on the main stage.

Opener, high viz. Nice. Flashwater. Who's Flashwater? Oh. Got a chucking on that. I like the name. It's basically like, it's all the members of Vane.

Nice. Plus a few others. And it's kind of, I hate using this. I hate using this, but it's like, it's grungy. It's grungy, but like hardcore adjacent. Got a bit of a lift to it. The singing's mad, unique style. Just, I don't know, I just check it.

They're doing really fucking well. Like, they disappeared, like, because obviously Vane have their own thing from the time. And this was kind of like the side project, but I feel like this has just fucking surpassed everything that they've done before and is really, really good for them. So it's unreal. Moving on from that, I'd have Ethel Cain, into Not Loose.

Nice. Into 100 Gex. Wow. Into Kings of Leon playing only by the night in full. Into... I'll be off to the fucking... The Crown. I'll be off to the Crown to have a bath.

I'll be off for a bath with the Crown for. A drink in the water. Rather than listen to that. Anyway, carry on. Into Paramaradu and Riet in Full. Into... Yeah, literally. I played yesterday and I didn't...

I know anyone that could get me in, so I didn't go. Oh, no. They were sold out. I then, this is my dream festival and I can make whatever the fuck happen. I want to happen. Whilst it's happening throughout the day, they start building another stage that everyone's like,

oh, it's the mystery stage, right? The sleep token stage. No one knows what it is. Oh, it's a stage. So basically, fucking miss me with that. My Chemical Romance play, three cheers in full. Nice.

And it's my chemical romance from that era as well. Nice. And there's no barrier. And everyone's hate me. moshing. Hate mine. Yeah. Cool.

Unreal. And at the same time, this happens, big curtain drops down and then it's, you drop. Yeah. The weekend. Wow. This is huge.

And Daff punk. Performing together. This is huge. Yeah. Nice. Phone drop. And that's it. Yeah.

That's it. What's the after party though? Doesn't need to be one. Everyone's dead. They either died from water poisoning from the crown or they would just have them their mind. So this is a big, this is like a big cult vibe. Everyone dies.

Everyone dies at the end. Come on, you've got to get a dream thing. So the after party, we play and everyone leaves. Oh, you're playing the after party, everyone. Yeah, I forgot to ask. We're playing the crown. We play in the crown. We play the crown in the main lobby.

No in-eers, no backing tracks. Everyone just goes nuts. Bathwater everywhere. And we cover the blend. And everyone dies from the bath water. Yeah. Everyone's throwing bath water at each other. Perfect.

Just run me down what you've got coming up for the rest of the year. So we can... Oh, okay. So we got... Right, you go from... Let's be careful. Let's go from... Go from July.

Why do I have to do this? I think you should talk through this. I'll find this. Yeah, get this up. Simon, seamlessly cut this so it looks like, anyway, it's all about it. And then put this noise in. Wow, that sounded like digital.

Oh, yeah, nice. You hit like a digital note there. So the samples and weird noises in our songs are normally just me. Your voice? Me with iPhone headphones every time. Simon, leave that bit in. Like, I like, throw them in my mouth and make loads of noises with them. And then we just start and pitch them, send them through amps.

And that's what we do to make layers. do a very low-fi version of that when I was playing you used to play FIFA with Sam from architects and if one of us would score yeah we would take the microphone and dump it in our mouths and go yeah because honestly the noise you get from it is so abrasive digital digital screams fucking see the best the best year ever like there was some of the guest vocals that we'd have been recording I just didn't through my laptop I just got to shout at my laptop because I was just like I've already unplugged the mic just hell the kid I honestly I do really respect how out there you guys thinking is and it's not just open up logic here's the program drums

here's the amp sim here's this here's the song there it goes there and we record it and then the guy that mixes everything else mixes it well dude it's that thing that i was talking about with the kind of thinking outside the box and one not having the facilities to be able to do it honestly but then two having new sounds that people can experience and having like live drums and having uniqueness to your music it's like have you ever listened to gex before a hundred guys i i imagine you'd probably hit it, but the sounds they make and the sounds that they do, are... Do they sound like? What is the...

What does it sound like? Have I heard a song? It's... Don't play a song because it will get me on DMCA. It's so funny. I must have heard a song where I see people talking about it. I think I've seen what they look like. It's crazy.

Like all the, everything. Like, just listen to the new album. It's crazy. It's got features from like death grips on that and stuff. Like, it must be kind of cool, then. It's sick. Like, I'm watching the cell. Do you like it or do you hit it?

It's not for me. I'm watching the cell and I'm listening to Yeah. What you got coming out? I feel like the worst combo in the world. At the same time. I think in July we've got like, you're on a... Is that in July?

We on the same? Yeah, it's technically a error, but I said, Jera. What day you're playing? Thursday. Oh, we're on the same day, aren't we? I don't think, oh, maybe. Tess?

Is that the papar roach day? Yes. Yeah, we're on that day. Fuck yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure I've seen us on a couple of... Yeah. Nah, I can't wait for that because that's like,

Tom's never seen us live. Really? Yeah. I've seen you three times and I can't think what the third time is. Sorry, I was on the headline.

Your headline run? You were there? Yeah, that was the attic. Yeah. Yeah. With counterparts. Yeah. And then

recently, when have you seen us? No, I came, but I was late. Yeah. Thanks, great. Thanks for still coming. I mean, it's my favorite

comedian of all time. Oh, you did say again. We played a sick show. That was the best feature we've probably ever played to date. To be honest. Well, he's never going to see that comedian. I'm sorry.

Whereas you've got a comedian. We've got America tour. I've got full force. Full force as well. I wonder if on the same stage there. Hope so. Yeah, I hope so. Great festival, you haven't been?

No. We've only ever been to Europe with Bring Me. Oh, you've got fucking lovely time. Dude, I, like, I've worked tours in Europe before and it's always great. Europe festivals, there's nothing like it. Yeah. I can't wait, man. Like, just going back there is so, it's so.

You're doing Hellfest? No, we're not, unfortunately, man. That's the one. Yeah. with full force is probably up there top five for me wow the backstage is like on all these little storage containers

backing onto a river and everyone like you play the set and then just fucking jump straight in the mirror suck all the bath water down from the river get sick cancelled the tour big crown sending it what's the US tour that's where nothing nowhere

so you did the song with nothing nowhere and it's the name of a fucking straight from the path song from the last thing oh is that why there's beef was not even beef but it's just like Just pick a... Blake's in... Blake has toured when we were on that fucking album cycle and the biggest song was Fortune Teller. Are you just mad?

Because it's successful. I don't even know if it's successful. I'm mad... I'm mad... The laziness. You go, like, you're fucking... Like, you're naming your band. If there was already a band called Static Dress and you went, do you want to call our band Static Dress and then someone goes, there's already a band called it,

but should we just do it? Because I think we're better. But he's not straight from the path, is he? No, but in my head, it implies an arrogance of this already exists. So you got the song... Is it the song nothing now? No, the song's called Fortune Tower. Oh, it's the album title. Sorry, my bad.

So, yeah, and it's like... But it's got a zero instead of an her. Oh, that's fine then. Yeah, it's all in caps as well, it's digital. And it's also not the same realm. It's the... Well, if Blake is in it, it's the same fucking realm. It's enough of a realm to go,

oh, wait, there is a... It's our second biggest song. I think you should both cover the song. like you cover nothing nowhere and then yeah yeah yeah I'm gonna fucking do that I don't know what it sounds like why are you fuming about this because I got

you should agree I have beef with you need innovation and if something is if something is already called something else in any kind of slightly adjacent thing I just go yeah I'll call it something else

do you think it might be a product of not knowing not with Blake in there if it wasn't but if Blake wasn't in that fucking band yeah but Blake doesn't have a hand in decisions like that but blick has a hand in writing but blake will have any like i mean i don't know about this but blake will have any decision in song names artwork or anything like that that'll be but i imagine he would have gone oh there's a strape in the past song called that and then at that point someone made the decision to use it anyway and that's where my they probably wrote it

they probably wrote it and then never saw the song names again until it came out always like sent the track list and then like sound you're being too nice i'm not being nice i'm just being realistic. Oh, Blake hates you. No, I had dinner with him recently. He told me you hated you. It could also be true. It could also be true. Yeah, so we got that tour and then

Sacramento in October, after shock fest. Yeah. Same day as Incubis, same day as turnstiles. A-F-I. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's a big day. It's a good time. It's a real... Aventon 4 as well. Yeah, no. Fuck it. Yeah. It should be sick, man. Cannot work.

And then, headliner at the end of the year. Yeah. Would that be announced? Yeah. No. That'll be announced. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Second. So that's, I want to say the supports that we're meant to have, but. No, I don't say them.

They're bad. They're bad, juju, though. Oh, yeah. To be fair, they're pretty, yeah. They might cancel and whatever.

They are so good that I will be watching every single night. You can tell me off the record. I'll tell you off the record. What is this off the record right now? Not yet. Thank you for

coming. Thanks, grandin. Everyone, unreal. What? That's fucking... You're just staring at the hard drive. Like, shit, we've gone over the two hour mark. No, it's not even that. I just don't want it, I don't want anything. Look, I've got five minutes left on that. So we're actually done. Thanks for coming. Love you. Check out Static grass. Goodbye.