The Downbeat - THE GHOST INSIDE | A TRAGIC BUS CRASH, LIFE CHANGING INJURIES + OVERCOMING ADVERSITY.

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

My guests on the podcast this week are Chris Davis and Andrew Tkaczyk of THE GHOST INSIDE. In 2015 The Ghost Inside suffered through a life changing bus crash which claimed lives, limbs and nearly the future of the band. 10 years later TGI is stronger than ever - thanks to the mental fortitude of the members and an ingenious device created by Andrew’s father ‘THE HAMMER’ that allows him to play the drums perfectly while missing most of his leg. A truly harrowing and inspirational story, this is a podcast that shouldn’t have as many laughs as it does.

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Wayfair, every style, every home. What's up, guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat podcast. My guests on the podcast this week are Chris and Andrew of The Ghost Inside. In 2015, the Ghost Inside suffered a horrific bus crash that killed two people and left Andrew without a leg. he's the drummer by the way this podcast has thrills

it has no chills it's not scared we talk about horror there's chills spills sounds bad when talking about a bus crash I'm gonna leave that in but I'll let's just restart it

but with this still in it this podcast is a side splitter but it's also a tear jerker we obviously talk about the crash the physical and mental impact of the crash but we have a lot of laughs with it being about 11 years since the crash. I think the boys

can look at it from a different angle. I caught up with Andrew before, but we really dug deep today. We talked about how on earth he plays the drums without a leg. Spoiler, it's basically thanks to his dad that the band is still together. It is really a story of defiance. One of my favorite podcast episodes

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Check it out. It's The Ghost Inside on the Downbeat podcast. You have a special monster. Yeah, what is this about? I don't know, but in the Monster Collector community, they're quite a hot commodity. Now, I'm going to need to explain why. I don't know you.

I don't think you should open it. You've got to open it, but maybe we'll save the can. There's a guy that I follow on Instagram called Belgian Monster Collector, and this guy is weapons grade. But like, he loves Monster, and he collects them, and he gets super excited when there's a white top. So you've got White Top. What are we going to do?

I don't know if I'm allowed to do this in the contract, but we're going to do it anyway. We're going to have a lovely shot of Aaron Gillespie gave me this. Oh, that looks amazing. Apparently, it's like the best bourbon in the world. He's serious about his bourbon. Dude, that looks blanton's. Never heard of it in my life. For those of you just listening.

I'm not going to blantons. Jesus Christ. Well, that didn't take long. Anyway, Andrew, Chris, welcome to the downbeat. Thanks for having to have you. I haven't. Thank you for that accent again, please. Yeah, we have a shot of Blanton. It's so good.

Is this the first time you've heard it? Yeah, that's the, I mean, it was maybe, but we've definitely been drunk. There's variations of it, yeah. What I'm going to do? I'm poor that. I'm just going to pass it over. I bet you, Aaron will be absolutely furious that we're doing a massive shot of this. I think it was like 300 bucks.

Aaron has spent a lot of time with us. He knows that it's just going to, yeah. I think he'll be proud. With compliments of Aaron Gillespie. Thank you, Aaron. Thank you, Aaron. It goes back in its mythical satchel. I love it.

It's like, I feel, it feels like a potion. Yeah, it does. It's a potion. You found that in Eldon Ring. Mysterious potion goes back on the shelf. I love it. Chase it with a little white monster. That's, we've got to name it.

It's a, that's a $300 shot of whiskey, chase with white monster. That is a no joke shot, too. What's the name? Paper cup. A paper cup. Yep. Easy. Cheers, boys.

Thanks for coming. Thanks for having us. Oh, no, it's really good. Delightful. It's awesome. Delicious and also white monster. Delicious. Perfect chaser.

I'm kind of jealous of your white top, though. But I feel like mine doesn't taste as good because the top's a different guy. Yeah, I think the flavor's all in the top. I'm being honest here. You got the rare. I'll take it. The rare shit. Boom.

Guys, thanks for coming on the downbeat. Thanks for having us. We're happy to be here. Long time coming. I feel like. I know. Like, you've been on the audio one.

Yep. Way back. If you listen to the audio one, I'm going to rehash loads of that. So just, you know. Oh, yeah. We'll just dive back in.

Pretend. Yeah. A lot of time has passed, too, to be fair. Yeah, it's been a minute. And you're new to the podcast. Yes.

Not new to podcasting. No. No. Not really. Late for loading. That's the one. That's the one. How's it going?

Good. Good. It's fun. I mean, I've thought about doing it because I, like everybody else in a band, streamed over the pandemic.

So at some point during that, I started having just like guests on and having chats with random other band dudes were sitting home doing nothing. And I was like, I should turn this into a podcast. And then my buddy who manages bands that I've been friends with since I was 10 years old was like, we should do one together. I was like, well, fuck it. Why not? And we started last year.

It's been awesome. It's a lot of fucking work and it's stressful, but it's awesome. It sucks. I mean, I love it. No, it sucks. I love it, but the work sucks. People think it's like the easiest thing, like just fucking hanging out, but the set up and all the bullshit. I mean, especially when you get a rig like this.

This level, yeah, this has got to be a very involved thing. Do you know what, though? The reason I built this rig was because I hated doing it, like how you do it. Yep. It sucks. One thing about your podcast I've noticed, like maybe eight times out of 10, the other person has a good camera. And I don't know why that is. Like, it's lucking out.

Yeah, it's luck. What I do, what I have had to get. really good at, though, is fixing, like, AirPod audio or, like, laptop audio. Like, I've had to find all of the, like, AI restoration tools and shit to fix that. But we've locked out a lot with cameras somehow. It looks great. And that I would take this and the setup involved in this more than I would take all of the stuff you have to do when you're, like, prepping someone for the files and all that stuff and then putting it all together and making sure it's all in sync. What I think helps too is Riverside probably didn't exist when you were doing it audio only.

So that's like it's like a Zoom, but it's a website where their video and audio is uploading in real times, like the full resolution video, full resolution audio. And you download it all and it's already synced. You just have to edit it after that. So that helps to. Oh, okay. Yeah. But I would still much rather be doing it's there's like you miss some sort of dynamic when you can't look at the person directly and like be in the same space. Can't have a paper cup.

Can't have a paper cup. What are you going to do without a paper cup? You got to get a paper cup. That's it. Can I ask you about the pronunciation of the drink that we've just made, right? Because in my head, like say it how you said it, like you named it. What's the name of the drink? Paper cup.

Okay. In my head, how we sort of take this away from the brand being a paper cup is we say paper cup. The inflection. The inflection is like paper cup. Paper cut. It's a sweet pun. You don't seem to convince you. You're on board.

I think I'm in. You know, I'm just going to agree. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. I'm down. I'm down for whatever. He feels like you're attacking his idea now. Nope.

That's not about my idea. No, is his idea brought to a master brander. Right. We're at the table. We're doing a business meeting. Paper cut. Paper cut. Oh, car.

No, not even. Paper cut. Yeah. It's an expensive. shot in an inexpensive yet still lovely delicious delicious chaser

that was the best delicious chaser what are you doing in Nashville writing you're allowed to say that we should have talked about what I don't care say that yeah I came here first because I was doing some stuff with Pearl they're here in Nashville so I figured while we're here let's let's see if we can get some sessions in I think they might be like down the street I think it is too yeah Metroplex

Mine always like down the street. Yeah. They're in Nashville? Yep. Mine's in Nashville. Interesting. It's a franchise. Yeah, you're with Zilden now, right?

Yeah. Mada boy. Of course you are because I use your ride. In fact, I'm obsessed with my favorite new symbol. It's my favorite new symbol. Thank you. Isn't it the best? It rules.

It's what everyone in our world especially has been wanting. Why the fuck didn't anyone make it? I don't know, but you. They let me make it. You got it, baby. They could have anyone make that. They could have Travis Barker make that. True.

Because he crashes his right. a lot. Travis Barker uses my ride in the studio. He doesn't use it live. He needs to use it live. But that's still fucking crazy. I mean, it's fucking the best thing ever. But he has that cool sweet ride that says Zildren really big.

Yep. So he uses those live for the flex. It looks cool. But mine sounds cool. It does. A ride you can crash on that has a good ride bell. And you figured it out. I didn't.

Say you did. I mean, me and Zildren figured it out. Yeah. Yeah, there was 21 prototypes. Mm-hmm. This is not okay. You know what, though? Number three was the one.

No, they made, they got to three and they were asking me to rank. Because I just said to them, I don't care about the bow of the symbol, the middle bit. Sure. Don't give a fuck. Sure. Bell, crash. Yep. Don't care.

Same. So they were like, okay, you just got, we're going to make three rank the bell and the crash. And number three was 10 out of 10 bell. And I was like, that's a nine out of ten crash. And Joe Pallai, Zildjan, who's like a savant. of symbols was affectionate, was like, oh no, I'll get you a 10 under 10. And he made whatever 19 more. Jesus Christ.

Is that math right? Yeah. He made 19 more. Three was still the best. Yep. That's wild. So do you just have 21 prototypes sitting in your drum room then? They're actually currently on a boat because they were in the UK and they're still not here.

Oh, wow. So they're all coming. I got mad weird ones. We did one with a star hammering, you know, like a 90s Z customer. sounded good but they were like you can't use the star hammering that's like an iconic thing we just did that for fun okay let's cover this pearl thing

first they want to do film some content uh partly stuff about the hammer the device I used to play without a leg you don't have a leg what happened what's going on there I don't know if Madison knows that yeah yeah I have one leg yeah check this out if you're just listening

to the audio she just made a disgusted face she just made her sick that's a good party trick yeah we like to do this with it yeah if you need a hold you that's fantastic I'll sit here for a while

like like this sweating am I up to standards oh yeah this is great this is accessible I've accessed it there's a little ramp and everything

we didn't use it no I loved all the stairs it was great yeah level four yeah anyway tell me about Paul before we

get on to the leg. Yeah, to the fucking leg. The fucking leg. Yeah, so they wanted to film some content about the device that my dad made me to, just with parts in our garage, to play drums again without the prosthetic on. So that's how I play. When I signed with Pearl, they were instantly, like, super excited to dig in on this. Their engineers were, you know, wanted the challenge to be able to make something and

have it be, you know, Pearl branded. And, man, they freaking knocked it out of the. park it is so insanely sick um so did some content um i did some ghost inside played through as i did a interview and they they brought my dad with me too so that they could kind of get the story and stuff so something something will be coming soon with that i'm going to beat him to the story yeah i'm going to beat myself to the story because i was going to do this later on but you might as well give me some give me some story right now because we're on topic yeah we'll cover the bus later sure yeah lost your leg yes tell me

more about your dad creating something so you could play the drums again? I was in a 10-day coma medically induced in the hospital, and my dad, you know, they flew all our families out, and my dad, he thought of this while I was in a coma about me playing again after they had to take the leg. He just thought it was going to make more sense to bring the pedal up to me as how he described it. So he had this idea in his head, and he described it to me and I was like, I'm down to try, you know. Before that, wanted to see if playing with a prosthetic made sense, if it worked, that's some stuff made. And it just didn't for a while. So I kind of hit a pocket a year after the accident where I was not feeling it. I was like, this is,

that's it. It's over. Trying with the prosthetic. With the prosthetic. Yeah. And I had like my drum kit in my parents' basement while I was recovering. And then I think my dad saw that it was, it was starting to get me down. So he just went out in the garage and made his idea that he had thought about. initially. And he just brought it down one day and just he's like, just try this, just see. And I was like, okay. And it instantly, like, with,

I just play with my residual limb. I instantly, so that all the actions in my hip flicks are. Yeah. Can you explain it? Yeah. So it's basically, if you're looking down, you're sitting at your kit, you look at the snare drum. My right pedal is basically at snare drum

height, essentially. So my hit and I play with my limb with no prosthetics. So the actions in my hip flex. and that's it. There's a bar that connects from that pedal that's at the snare drum height that connects to the kick pedal. And your dad just made this. He made it with like out of like wood and like aluminum scrap pieces and like a

door hinge in a Midwest dad engine countertop material as the base. Yeah. It like it was like a 90s like countertop. You would see it like a shitty apartment complex or something. And he he made it and it instantly was just like, oh, I have, I can feel like. I just have more freedom. I have more movement and I can, you know, there's not something rigid weighing me down.

Immediately, you saw that. Immediately, like night and day from the prosthetics. So that gave me hope. From there, I would jam on it every day and then I would give him notes. I was like,

can you turn the pedal so that it's this way, like ergonomically with the way, you know, my hips when I sit down are pointing out a little bit that way. So we moved it that way. We adjusted tons of things. He, the throne legs were, like I would scoot up pretty close.

So the base, it would get in the way of the throne legs. So he like shaved those in and like it looks like a coffin. The shape of it looks like a coffin just to make room for all these little adjustments. There's probably like 15 or 20 iterations of it. And then that eventually turned into he made one out of like drum like a DW drum throne. And he he had. So it can be folded down for us to take it on tour. And he explains this.

He explained it to Pearl and I didn't really like even know this part. He put some sort of like compression valve thing from something else inside the tubing of the throne to do. I'm like, how the fuck did you even know to do that? So you're cheating. Yeah. So you lie. So you're cheating. So you're fucking lie.

So it's all. Yeah. He put backing tracks in the fire king. Well, now I just, I just use AI. So, yeah. You know what it's so, I mean, we're going to continue on with this. But it's so sick. Like, I mean, it's genuinely.

I think I remember when we did the audio version, like I started breaking up when we were talking about it because it just camaraderie with your dad. Like my dad would do that for me, which is like a whole part of it. But just the thought of not being able to play the drums again. And then, and like, really, no offense, you shouldn't be able to play the drums again. That's like a career end. Absolutely. And your dad saved our band. Coming through, like, straight away, like, Matt, we'll just figure this out.

The ban would have been done in November of 2015 if his dad didn't come up with this device, like straight up. It would have never happened. Yeah, a kid has stuck it on tracks. It could have, but we wouldn't want it. Just the bright foot. Like I said, AI comes out a few years later. Yeah. It's all good.

And I'm magically. Video wall. So Pearl have now made an official version. Yeah. So what we want to do is make it available to people who need it. Is it not specific to your, what's left of your leg, like the length? Mine is, but we're going to work to figure out how to make it work for whoever we possibly can. So we're just going to, that's the goal anyway, you know.

That might be a lot of kind of one-of-one pieces. That's why it's not just going to be like, you can go buy the hammer at guitar center. And I don't think it'll be that, you know, it's going to be whoever needs one, we're going to get you one way or another. We actually, it's cool that this is happening because we did a South America run. Was that last year or two years ago? 24. So two years ago.

And we were in, were we in Columbia? Logitae. Yeah. And there was a amputee fan in the crowd who came up on stage and like talked with Andrew. And then they talked to us after the show. His dad, based on the hammer, built him something similar. And it's like there is, we don't think about it. But there is like a need for a device like this out in the world.

It's like going to open a door for a lot of people to be able to play drums where they may feel like they never would have had an opportunity again. Absolutely. Yeah. And it's just a Midwest dad who thought it, dreamed it up because his kid needed it one day. Yeah. And in Bogota,

he showed me videos and he was a left above the knee. And the picture of the hammer that his dad, they just made it based off of whatever pictures of mine were on Google. Just photos. And he was playing. He said it changed his life and it brought him back to drumming and people reach out to me

definitely like weekly and like if you're watching I see and hear all of you it's hard to get back to everyone at once but we're working on stuff so it's awesome that's the goal is to get it as soon as we can so be on the lookout.

Let me ask you an insane question. Go for it. I'm ready. Do I need another shot? I do. To ask this question, I'm going to need a couple of questions while it's in my ADHD brain and then we'll have another shot. Okay, so, is your dad going to get any kickback from that? Well, we haven't gotten that far yet into it.

We're just concerned with getting it out and helping who we can for now. So, I mean, all that stuff's down the road or whatever. I'm not just thinking about money there, guys. I'm thinking about protecting someone's idea. Sure. I mean, I'm not going to say no. Sorry for the interruption, guys, but I want to tell you about a festival that the downbeat and myself is going to be. be at and I would love to see you there.

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So you've been at Pearl and then you're writing. Why does everyone come here and write? A lot of producers here. There's a lot of, and there's a lot of friends that do it too. A lot of it. We were not with Cody.

We tried. He's real tied up. He's real tied up. Yeah, and he's fucking swimming pool. Nah, nah, nah. Wouldn't you be too? He's working like that? Yeah.

Especially, like, today was hot. Yes. I feel like it got hot today. And then it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, 30 again, like in two days probably. March, March on this side of the country.

Typical. Where are you guys living? I'm in Maryland. Oh, Vegas. Everyone else in the band's in Vegas. Everyone in Vegas. You haven't thought about doing it.

Oh, I've thought about it, but I don't want to move to Vegas with kids. Oh, true. Come on, man. Otherwise, I would. Absolutely fucking would. The family,

you're the grandma, grandpa. Yeah, we've got built in, like, Calcare for him on tour and shit. It's a great excuse to go to Vegas. Sorry, kids and wife.

Yep. Sorry, to record with a band. Hurry up and graduate, God damn it. Me and your mother are moving to Vegas. You know? You do that to that camera. Hurry up and...

No, do the I, too. Yeah. You can do whatever you want, bro. Yeah. Hurry up and graduate, God damn it, you little ornament. Me and your mother are moving to Vegas. God damn it. You got the fucking English accent.

You got that. He's got a little bit. Well, smart, isn't it? Yours is the mother. best one that's everything in it. I'm going to say thanks. The way you just said thanks is like how I say thanks. Look at Madison's just fucking nodding away.

We have a British LD who says it digs. That, which is why he does it all the time now. What producer did you go to then? We've been working with the guy named Jonathan Deleese. He fucking rips. He's a younger dude, but he's like doing a ton of heavy bands these days. So we've been with it. We came here in January also and did some work with him and a guy named Dave Cal who's in Memphis.

And then since he was coming down for Pearl, we were like, we should just try to get in with Delis again while we're here. Whoever's available, basically. Is the whole band here? No, it's just me and Andrew this time. It was really last minute. Oh, yes. It's thrown together literally like a couple days ago. Is this the instrumental mind of the band?

99% him. 99% you? Oh, yeah, dude. I don't know, about 99 these days. It's up there. That's the lion's share of one. Yeah. Or 100.

Yeah, he's, he's, that guy. He's just like a... Riffs as well? Oh, yeah. Probably. Has it always been that way? I play guitar more than I play drums, for sure. I've seen you, I saw you doing the, like, eight string stuff.

Yeah, I actually, when I first started doing that, I was sending you stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But I thought that was like a post-accident jerk off. A little bit. Yeah. That's, that's,

that's, it's called one decade. One decade. I was going to say one direction. Well, it's called one direction. It's called one direction. It's me.

It's a couple of them. It's just hot guys. Yeah, you know, it's, but one decade, it was just like, I had a bunch of stuff in my head.

I wanted to be creative and not lay in a hospital bed all day, right? So I did that. It's something I always wanted to do. I was talking about this earlier because, shout out to Misha. I was a big bulb fan.

Go. Like back in the day. like i would download the sound cloud files of bulb and on seven string dot org dude yeah like i always wanted to i was told myself someday i'm going to do like an instrumental like one-man gent project where i do literally everything like this and that i took that initial first like within the first few months of downtime to do that that's what it that's what it started as but were you riffing before that oh yeah so he was in a band called for the fallen dreams before the ghost inside And he wrote a majority of that stuff when he was in the band, too.

I knew you were in that band. I didn't know you were the... Yeah. I did, like, probably the majority of those first two changes in Relentless. He's a secret river. Absolute fucking rage. I see a lot of, um, there's been a lot of, like, TikTok resurgence of... I was going to say, for the Fallen Dream's Scribes coming back.

And it's kind of cool to see that... Gonna come back. Yeah. I think a lot of that era of like heavy music is just coming back into fashion again. It's cool to see. Which is interesting. Yeah. Right.

You know what? The one that fucking blows my mind. The two that blow my mind. Acid bath. Like the sludge resurgence. Acid bath playing a fucking show. Insane. Crow bars next.

That's crazy. Yeah. Crow bars are a million monthly listeners. Yeah. Wow. Yep. It's wild. It's fucking awesome.

It is genuinely like a really good time to just be into heavy music in general. And I feel like I feel like people are starting to go back and it could be a pandemic thing. Like, I feel like people got really nostalgic over the pandemic and, like, rediscovered all the old music they listened to. But I feel like it's very much carrying into, like, the heavy scene now. I do, I do think people are going back and starting to appreciate the older bands. Like, the bands that would have inspired us to do what we do, you know what I mean?

I've just, the pennies dropped in my head right now. I think I know what it is. Okay, so by this point with music, for the most part, everything's been done. Like everything's been fucking done And I think maybe kids are Because there's so much out there They're like hunting for something That's so different from the norm

And then something like I think crowbar came about There was a meme. The meme, Simon can put the meme up right now I'm pretty sure it's just like a really fat dog And it says my dog after listening to crowbar Or something like that And then the meme popped off

And then like that crowbar song repulsive in its splendid beauty just kept becoming like a trending audio. Yep. And it's almost like kids are using old music as what,

maybe not our generation. How old are you guys? 36. 38. We're the same generation. I would say maybe people slightly older than us what grunge was to them.

Sure. Because grunge was kind of new that it was like the antithesis of hair metal. So you know what's interesting now that you're saying. So my, I have two younger sisters.

The youngest one is 13. She just had her birthday party a few days ago, and I went with my wife and kids. And her entire playlist that she had for her DJ that was at like dance theme party she had, all of it was like pop punk and pop songs from when I was in middle and high school. I'm like, how the fuck do these kids even know this shit?

But it's it's the TikToks and like, and all the mean shit. I truly think, yeah, like our age as parents are showing their children, their favorite band. Sure. One that I think we all know is Deftones. Look at the resurgence.

Sexy resurgence. So, and I went and saw them, when would we, 2020? March of last year. So a year ago, we were in L.A. writing and we, Deftones played the forum, so we went. And it was like a lot of young kids and their parents. And I think that the young kids that have TikTok and it's big with social media, like it helped.

I think Chino talked about it in a podcast or something. He said that, you know, it's definitely helped, um, like re, just reignite them. I think maybe like two with like,

even like Papa Roach, like they're so good at social media. They are, Jacoby's so good at it. Like the social media game. Yeah. We're not. We need to get better at it.

We're so bad at it. I hate social media. I think I'm kind of bad at it. I hate social media so much. Like, oh, post three times a day. Oh,

the hook and all this shit. And I'm like, I don't fucking know. I'll raise you. on the death tones point we went to see death tones probably the same tour in madison uh the whatever the arena tour last year was last year with like mars volta yeah and she's like spent no offense looked amazing but she spent like fucking four hours getting ready and was like i have to be the hottest goff bitch of this show and in my head

i'm like it's a fucking death time show it's going to be people that look like me and then we get there no one looks like me no she is like white speech out of the fucking show. I'll tell you that much. But like, it was crazy. I was like, what are you talking, man? It's going to be guys in fucking world industry's T-shirts. Not anymore.

It was not. No. It's crazy. It was insane. It blew my mind. But like, fucking good for them. That's cool. Yeah.

Oh, it's awesome. To have that resurgence. So, like they said, you know, it's the biggest their band's ever been is right now. Which is wild. Selling out arenas. Thoughts on that, Madison. TikTok does wonders. It does.

It really does. It is a great platform to length generations. Keep going. It's only 17 years older than me. She hasn't even if she has 17. So I think that a lot of her music directly influenced what I listen to growing up and what will show our kids. Without a doubt. I think that's another big thing is the parents are really passing down their music interests to their kids or the older siblings.

I hear a lot about older siblings doing the music. So they're younger siblings now, which is, I think, amazing. And it's totally a thing. And when you see that, you see, like, look what's back. Like, like, acid-washed baggy pants and, like, flam. All the fashion that was in when I was in fucking middle. It looks like everyone walked around was in a fucking episode of Dawson's Creek. Yeah, it's kind of sick.

R-I-P. Yeah, R-I-P, man. R-R-I-P, the Dawson. Yeah. Dars, bro. Hey. Crazy. To doors.

To the doors. To the doors. But you're right. Everyone's dressing on that motherfuckerfocus. And that's come back with like so. And there's, you know, they say there's always this like, it's like a 20 or 30 year resurgence. And every like cultural thing like it happens. Trading cards and Pokemon cards, sports cards are like huge right now.

That was like what I did when I was a little kid, you know. And it's like huge right now. You still do it now, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. You got a company? What is it? Yeah.

It's just like a. Did we go to Target today to buy packs of cards? Maybe. Maybe. So, yeah. But yeah, no. I did what did you buy today? I bought some, uh, 20, 25.

Panini select football blaster boxes. Yeah, he's a sports card guy. Sports card. I'm big into sports cards. How'd that go for you today, though? Explain this means like I'm five or British. What the fuck is a sports card? Like, why is it good?

What did you want when you opened this pack today? And what did you get? And why was that bad? So what I wanted in the particular product that I opened today, there is what is called a case hit. Now, a case of these cards is 20 boxes. Okay. So that means there's usually one case hit per case, which is one card.

And in the product I got, it's called a zebra. It has like a zebra border. And it's of any, every player in the NFL has one. So what I want is a Jackson Dart rookie. He's the quarterback for the Giants, zebra, because it's such a rare, valuable card. Is it rare and valuable because you think he's going to be, it's really big later on? There's like a limited number. And the sports card market is literally like the stock market.

Like if a player is doing well, their value is up. If they get hurt, their value goes down. Really? And people want big rookies because a lot of people see value in them and they want to see how their careers pan out. Sometimes they don't. Like, for instance, there was a big rookie last year, J.J. McCarthy for the vote.

Vikings. He was a huge, huge chase in the product. And then he didn't have the best sophomore year in the NFL. So, like, his value's gone down. Do you sell before his value goes down? Wow, that's really like a stock market. It is. It is like a stock market. And, you know, a lot of people will, will really invest in one player. And sometimes people lose, like, a lot of money doing that. It's, it's possible. Sometimes people really, like, 20 times their money. It just is. If that player, let's say this rookie card that you were looking for. I can't remember his fucking name. Sorry, mate.

But like, let's say you get it. And it's worth a lot now anyway. Because he's on the up. What if he then goes to go on? Do you know what? The only fucking... The only famous football player. No, in fact, I'm going to keep the fucking reference.

Okay, let's go on to say he has a career like O.J. Simpson. What is that card like? What's that word? There might be some sick fucks out there that there's a completely different like black market. I feel like the OJ market's probably crazy. It's probably weirdly crazy.

Actually, I don't really know. That's the only, like, that's in my head, that's Michael Jordan of fucking, like, NFL, but it's like, it's always like Michael Jordan

of killing your wife. Not even close. As much, it's Michael Georgian that's killing your wife. Oh, that, yeah, maybe. That's insane. That's, yeah.

That's Tim. Staying in, Simon. Oh, yeah, no. I respect it. I respect it. So wait. So who's like the best of all time in the NFL? That would be tough because there's so many positions.

Tom Brady. He's the goal. He's already still going. No. There's not like a 90s one that's sick. Dan Marino. Dan Marino, he is, but Tom Brady's just a guy. He's just a major.

Yeah. The British guy knows the American references. Oh, Jainterino. I know the juice. I know. You're a weird guy, age. Real weird.

What a fucking movie. Yeah. Never seen it. Wow. You got, you have to. You have to change it. There's too much.

That's unacceptable. No, so this is a thing that I'm scared to show her dumb and dumb like and Mace Ventura because it's so specifically my, like she's never seen it. And I'm like, fuck, I think Dumb and Dumber is like top five movies for me.

Yeah, agreed. But what if she doesn't like it? You know, So my wife's going to, if she ever listens, that she's going to kill me for bringing this up. But my wife has never seen Forrest Gump. And that fucking baffles me and enrages me. And she just won't watch it.

I feel like, what the fuck is that? I fucking respect this. She's just like, nope. I feel like the part where he's going. She's going to go, I'm going to bed. Have you seen Forrest Gump? Yes. Okay.

All right. We're good. We're good then. I managed to get to watch the, what? Love movies. Let me like put that out there. He sounds like I'm like a movie hater. Sure.

I love your movie. Yeah, but Dumme Dumber is specifically like a 39 to 45 year old man comedy. Here's a perfect example. And we were just talking about this before we started the podcast about Halloween. Okay. Halloween, 1978, the original one is my favorite movie of all time. Literally my number one favorite movie. Adam Gray.

Yep. We all love him. I thought he was going to be here. I was so excited. I would pay large sums of money to have him. Oh, yeah. I want him on me. He's got to, next time he's around, he's got to pop in.

But he thinks that's the worst fucking movie ever made. It's fucking terrible because he didn't see it until he was like, I don't see it like, I don't think I put it in my top ten horror movies. Well, the thing is for me, I saw it when I was like nine or ten years old on USA Network, randomly in the middle of the day one day. And it scared the shit out of me. when I was a little kid. Well, it's got the nostalgia factor for you.

And the nostalgia factor, the way it made me feel then is that it's like people saying, play the old stuff because they want to hear that because it made them feel. I was talking about this earlier on, exactly that. Oh, God. That's the same with like, uh, for, I feel that way because like it, I, it's my favorite one because it reminds me of, it brings me back to that. So like, she might watch a dumb and dumber or something be like, this is fucking stupid.

And you're like, you're wrong. It's so hard for you. Yeah. I don't want. that to happen. So that's why you're just like, when I'm not going to watch it. We watched The Departed the other day

and she'd never seen that and that's the top five movie for me. Yeah, that's incredible. And she liked it. Okay. I knew she would like it. The part is awesome. What a fucking great movie.

I want to watch fucking Dumb and Duma so bad right now. Maybe I'll just do it. You should, rip the band-aid off. Let's watch it in its entirety on the podcast. Right now. The whole thing with no cuts.

Next episode of the podcast doesn't have Madison. And then I have to go, well, guys. We watched Dammerdama. She wasn't into it. Yeah, yeah. And we just watched the whole thing.

It's on screen right here, and it's them watching us watch it. I thought about that earlier on today. Because I was thinking of other things I could do just for fun. Or like for Patreon. So if you're on the Patreon and you're watching this, and you think this is a good idea. What I wanted to do is like an audio only of me and someone else,

like another guest, like either post podcast, maybe they did a podcast, or maybe they want to be involved but they don't have something coming out or just in town and they don't want to do a podcast and I'm like, okay, well, will you do this with me? Watch this movie with me and we'll just talk over the whole thing like a director's commentary because I used to love those back in the every DVDs.

And all you would do is like, I'd be like on the actual thing, on the actual audio, you could go, okay, guys, you should see the MGM lion now. Okay, pause. Three, two, one. press play and then they can watch the movie and have me and some other fucking guy chat shit wasn't there a tv show back today history science theater 3,000 that's the one yeah wow i don't know what you're talking about so it was it was it was like a late night like

tv show where they were showing a movie or a tv show and it was like an animated group of characters as if they're in a theater and you can only see their silhouettes in a theater but you could see the whole movie on a screen imposed into this graphic and it was It was them doing commentary. But it was a real movie. It was a real movie. And it was, it was on sci-fi channel.

So usually it was like an old-timey sci-fi movie. It's unlike movies and Barthead, but movies. Yeah, actually a little bit. But it didn't cut. It didn't cut scenes or anything. It was a behind shot of these characters that were doing the commentary, but it was just like kind of repeating. I wonder how you'd get away with that,

because I'd love to do that where, like, me and a guest watch a whole fucking movie. Like, you were just talking about. and you could also just watch the whole thing. I want to say... It's very arrogant to be like, guys, you should watch this movie, but you should listen to me. But only with me talking.

You should listen to me. Don't watch it any other way. It's only if I'm talking. This iconic movie, listen to me, talk, well, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. What a fucking wanker.

What a wanker. I feel like with that show, they got away with it because it was a movie from the year negative 3,000. I feel like I could get away with it with, um, some kind of monster.

Oh, what are you gonna do? See me? Oh, actually. He loves. Look, and I'm not a Lars Hater. Thank God. They're my favorite band in the world. Every fucking motherfucker in this room is our favorite band.

I love it. I love him to the end of the earth and back. Dude loves to sue people, though. So he would probably come for you. And I didn't want him on the podcast so much. That's another one. I take it back. You don't sue anybody at all.

Yeah, Lars, he fucking loves you, me. Out of my. Sorry. I've got, I've got one in my studio, too. Real one from him? Yeah. Is it an Ahead drumstick? Yep.

Yeah, it's from him. Wow. So touched by the hand of God. He gave it to you. He gave it to you. I got mine from a third party too. You know that band Royal Blood? Yes.

So Ben from Royal Blood was wearing my Lars Rick wrestling t-shirt. Which I bought because it's so fucking sick. Of course. You want to touch you. I have this. I have one. He's already got one.

I got one. He knows the scent. I'm fucking sorry. He knows the scent. What does smell like? He was wearing my Lars Orick t-shirt when they played with Metallica. And Lars, people, hey, fans of the podcast that are here every week, I'm sorry you have to hear these fucking stories every time.

However, if you are here and you're like, fuck this story again, I actually love you so much. Because you watch every episode. But he was wearing it and Lars was there and saw him. And was like, the fuck is that? and then he explains to him and then I get hit up by someone that Lars's wife wants five of the shirts

so I sent five to Lars which and then I went and counted members of his family or five or whatever number it was I counted members of his family and number of shirts and the weird sizes they were looked at pictures of his kids and everything to check the sizes were right and the sizes were all like

this is a this is for a fucking family photo so I know it exists. God, I hope so. That needs to hit the internet like now. Swiss family or Rick just wearing my fucking shit. That has to exist. That's got to be out there.

Beer, shot. Which one? I don't take it being. Do you know what? No one does it. We never do it. I love it. I've been wanting to be on your podcast for so long.

People are probably on tour when they come through. People are on tour. I normally drive. It's normally like 5 p.m. And it's not people that I have a check of history. of drinking with. How often do you do a late podcast like this? Should I give this?

Thank you. I'm glad you're on board with like shitty beers. Like that's fucking nectar. Like yeah. I fucking love it. Give it, give me like the refreshment of a water but with the hit of a beer. Right.

The fun, crispy fucking attitude. We started, we did quite a few where we would do it with people after their show and I did really like. those but people don't really want to do it people don't want to have a night yeah people are like oh I'm going to be too tired and then do you know what I think a lot of it is is some people don't know about the podcast oh this is what I was actually going to say you said how do they not know about your podcast I know that's fucking that's insane to me yeah but this is what happens they don't know

and the press agent or whoever is like oh the drama knows and and and then I like Google the drummer and I'm like, or like watching an interview with him, I'm like, this is not going to be good. So it's not going to do it. And then fucking the next door, singer sends me a message every fucking time because they go, oh, actually, it's good.

Or I get the drama first and the singer sees it and goes, oh, wait, that was good. Yeah, because I was going to say, you have a lot of non-drummers on, don't you? Really be trying to do it. He's still battling the drummer podcast. I am. Yeah.

I play guitar more. And he plays guitar, so yeah. I could do, and this is the thing, though, this is the problem. I could do this every single week if it was a drummer, but I don't think the ceiling on drummers is too low. Totally. So I like what I want to do. So like I try and mix it up.

So I think every, maybe every three episodes, I was trying to have a drummer because I can just talk. Sure. Easily to dramas. We're very similar human beings. But I am trying to beat the podcast. drama podcast allegations. The drumsticks is the fucking problem.

Yeah, that makes it tough. A fucking logo though, man. Thanks. Look at that branding. Copyrighted. Cost me fucking eight grand copyrighted. I think very worth it. Worth it.

Do you know why I did it? Do you know why I did it? And we've got no big because I love him. No, because during the pandemic, Ben Collar from Converge started a podcast or did made a t-shirt and had a drumstick with panograms on it. And then everyone started to start. started tagging me in it.

And I love Ben and I love his drumming. And I was like, oh, that kind of sucks because it sort of looks like the downbeat logo. And then I was like, and then that got me thinking, I didn't give a fuck at the time. I think he abandoned it or stopped doing it or whatever. And I don't care. It's like not the most original idea in the world. However, I've made it my thing. And then I was thinking about it.

And I was like, it's only a matter of time before some symbol company, mine. Or like, the whole like stick company or it was like a me or it was like a metal. drumstick and it's drumstick pentagram and I was like, let me just fuck Trayvon. Yeah, I mean, fucking ESP guitars does that like Arctic metal line of their guitars and shit. Like I wouldn't have been shocked to see like a pentagram out of guitar picks or something like out of the neck.

When does fucking, yeah, a symbol company go, this is our metal line of symbols and put a fucking drumstick pentagram on it. In America though, people kind of scared of the pentagram. Oh yeah. Kind of sick. Oh yeah. Don't you know Jesus is king, brother?

It's kind of sick that like, like, so in the UK, we laugh at all you guys. Yeah. Because of what you do. I think everyone laughs at. I think most of America's laughing in America too to be fair. But like, it's crazy how like, I would say I'm,

I said like about 100 million times. I'll leave a comment. Subscribe, thank you. Engagement. Also subscribe. Oh, that's going to have to get reframed. You can sue me and I'll give you my info or whatever. Bro. You're not blaming that fucking leg for everything?

Yeah, this is the good one. Oh, okay. I'll take you back. Sue the fuck out of me. I can't take you back. You could sue me. I didn't have the correct fucking... Well, no, you wouldn't be able to sue you.

Who owns this building? What, let's go for that. Let's go for that. Let's go for that. Let's go for that. Let's go. Yeah, we like laugh at you guys. Just in general, but I couldn't actually believe coming here. I'm agnostic.

Sure. I do believe there is something. I believe we were created by something, but I don't know what it is. Sure. I would probably subscribe. to some sort of aliens or simulation theory, which my girlfriend has told me many times. I like both those things. Early on set schizophrenia.

But like, it's crazy how many people are just like real like the Bible shit. I feel like it's, it's like come back into fashion too in a way. Like I feel like it's... You don't know they're really doing it? They're doing it for... On the higher levels of it? That one. Big percent.

I mean, musicians. Evangelists. Evangelists definitely make a mind. I would just mean like when it's just like, oh, we're a Christian fucking. I don't know.

Is that coming back into? Oh, that I don't know. You just mean Christianity in general. I feel like it's, yeah. Yeah. I'm going to say something crazy, given the fact there's a pentagram right there

and on my clothing and the music I listen to. But like, I kind of get it. For like community. Sure. People are like, if it's coming back, maybe people are like longing for. Totally. The community aspect of it and what it's supposed to stand for, I get that.

What it ends up being is fucking toxic and abused for money. And you can't do this. You can't do that. Yeah, for sure. Yes. It inevitably always ends up in a fucking bad place. Like everything. Yes.

100%. That was depressing. Everything. Everything sucks. We're all. A couple of bad eggs. What do you think is the weirdest religion? Oh, I don't fucking know.

We've got a fucking hand up straight away over there. The pasta religion. Pastafarian. Pastafarian? Yeah, but that's just a branch of atheism. Oh, is it? Yeah, atheists made it to protest the census. Okay.

Oh, I thought there was some you could buy it like Whole Foods. No one's... I'm a fucking copyrighted that next. Pastafarian. I believe it was atheists that were mocking Christianity and how crazy it is. So on the census report, when you put your religion and they would put that. I'm thinking like, were you going to say like fucking Scientology, some shit? Because that's where my head goes immediately.

And we probably still will get killed for that. Here's the thing. Are we going to die? Scientology is fine. Just make it quick. Here's the thing about Scientology. I don't care what Tom Cruise does I love him

He can do whatever he fucking want Sure It's a little weird When he says that depression's not real That's a little weird It's just positive thinking bro This is what I mean though Come on he's had it pretty rough

I see I you know what Everyone's got their fucking limits For like art versus artists Sure Yeah We all know I do And like

But mine for Tom Cruise is like Pretty high. Oh, it's like fucking, it's out of this world, brother. You can do no wrong. It's like you could do fucking, and I don't know what it is. I like, I like the last hammerite, like a lot. And I like eyes wide shut. Vanilla sky.

Vanilla sky is, maybe a top fire. Maybe a top five. Jeremy Byer fans, anybody? Just me? I didn't have a controversial. I didn't have an OJ in it for me. Okay. All right.

That sports card out there, by the way. I have a take here and I stand by this. I'm talking about we might get killed. I might get killed. OJ's innocent. Top Gun. You can't say that. Top Gun.

Top Gun Maverick is better. Than Top Gun. I haven't seen Top Gun Maverick. That's for me. Dude, it's fucking sick. It is good. I don't really care about Top Gun. I love Tom Cruise.

You can't care about America. Tom Cruise can stamp on a baby and I'm still. Whoa. I'm still on... I know. I know what he is. No. I got that blind allegiance to him.

Based on like maybe four movies and I can't explain it. All right. Maybe it's like a cosmic Scientology team. You might be a science. Praying to fucking Tom Cruise. That might be the weirdest religion. That's what's going on right now. That one has to exist as well.

Praying to Tom Cruise. Can we get a Google on weirdest religions? A lot of them are coming to. up like the flying spaghetti monster where it's like satirical religions. Did she say, I'm sorry, have the headphones on.

Did she say a spaghetti mask? Yeah, that's pastafarian. Yeah. There's Jediism. Yeah, but this is all just people gaming the census because they want to protest organized religion,

which I agree with. Sure. I don't think it's funny, but I feel like we can just, it's, let's just call it Scientology. Please don't kill me. And look, look, I'm sure.

Look, I'm sure that I was in a Christian metalcore band before The Ghost Inside. Were you? Devil wears Prada. No. Texas in July with Adam Gray. I didn't know Texas in July were Christian. That's not shocking. It went away real quick.

The band started when they were all like teenagers and it was a Christian band at the beginning and it went away real quick. It always does. Yeah. Except for impending doom. Remember that band? Oh, yeah. So sick.

Please continue to be. Body banging. They were sick. Hard as fuck. Just be Christian. Hard as fuck. And I did all the Christian tours, all the Christian festivals. Shit.

Shit's weird. How Christian we're talking? Oh, dude. We did a tour called Scream the Prayer. That's pretty Christian. Did you say ooh or have you got a weird religion for me? Praying is. Oh, no, no.

She's justified in that response. Scream the prow. That's a tour we did. Father. God. It's a thing. Yeah. Come up this day.

Your daily bread. Might as well. Did a couple tours with Fort today and I feel bad bringing it up. I love the La Troroo brothers. But I got it. Goaded. Goaded. Is one of the best people on planet.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Sweetheart. But I've seen it all. All of it? Well, not all of it. But a lot of it.

Not the like a Serbian film show. No. No. good. No, no, no. No. You won't watch it? No.

Here's the thing. I watched it once. Repulsed me. Yeah. You loved it. You watched it more than once. You loved it. No, I watched it once repulsed me, but for some reason, I like to make a joke that

it's like my favorite horror. Yeah, that's a good bit. It's a good bit because it's so bad. People are like, they probably think you're a fucking serial killer. Yeah, it's really bad or worse. Definitely. I would rather be a serial killer than that. Yeah, fair.

I think Zach said he watched it thinking it was going to be like, a servian film. Yeah, no, it wasn't there. Yeah, I think he's ruined for life. Weird religion, you got one. I would like to put out there Colts, like Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate was what made me think of this whole thing. Yeah, that's a good one.

Wait, is that the Jim Jones one? What's the Jim? No, that was Jones Town Massacre. Heaven's Gate is the one where The aliens. Yes. The aliens and... What was the one that was in Waco, Texas?

There was a cult that was in Waco and there was a massive like FBI. That was crazy. And they like killed a ton of people and like kids and shit. It was raining. You're a sneaker head, aren't you? Dude, I was into it for a good while. Like I'm, I'm actually not going to say what I'm wearing right now. Cut that.

I mean, Jamie cut that. You pulled off your leg and waved it at a camera about it. Yeah, yeah, it's easy. Yeah. You got old easies on. You want me to throw my clothes out? Right, yeah, exactly. No, God.

I fall from grace, I'm sorry, but it's so, such a fucking shame. Don't be, don't be like that, right? I'm literally kidding. But I was like super big into sneaker collecting during the pandemic. I got a, I got a couple nice pairs. I definitely slowed down on it. And I, because I don't wear a lot of them. went from sneakers to trade guards.

My addiction is changed. You wear one less than me. That's right. I get everything half off. A religious movement founded in 1974 by Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles. The members believe that human bodies were containers and that committing suicide would allow their souls to ascend to an alien spaceship trailing the Halebop comet leading to a higher existence. Kind of fucking awesome. So they all, when the Halebop comet, happened in whenever it was

I think it was like late 90s early 2000 whatever but they were like okay you got to kill yourself on this day because then you ascend and you go to your real body on the planet they were all wearing Nike decades to the to the and so

when they died all the photos that happened of all the suicides and everything because they had the cloths over them all you could see was the shoes and the sales of Nike decades went crazy so then Nike pulled it, pulled the sale of, they pulled that sneaker completely, but then the resale market went.

Of course it did. Of fucking, of course it did. Desperate for a pair. That's insane. RIP? Sure. RIP? The fucking most light-eyed, sure?

After, RIP, sure. That's why I made, that's where I started one decade. Oh my God. That's how it started. One decade. There it is. You do need two, though, because. You got a per se.

Two legs. Two decades. Two decades. I should get two more. We got. You brought up the branch Davidians. That was the Waco. The Waco one?

Waco. That one's fucking crazy. Yeah. That was just a crazy thing. Like the FBI stormed the ranch that they were on and like fucking murdered everybody. Killed a bunch of kids. It was fucked. The thing about cult is what I can't help thinking about is because the sort of person that gets into a cult.

is, you know, they are quite, they're either damaged or they're not thinking right. Lost. Lost. A able to be manipulated. Like, and there's, by, occult by its nature is quite a few people. Must be the most fucking annoying room in the world. Absolutely. Like 20 of them.

Could you imagine. The sort of person that would believe it's a fucking alien that's controlling everything. I don't wait. There are not many places I could imagine wanting to be less. Yeah. Than that. I'm having a fucking good time. I'll tell you that much.

Are you? Yes, I am. This is so fun. I've been wanting to do this for so long. I mean, I know I did the audio one, but since I've been watching you. What year was that?

Was that over the pandemic? I think it was mid-pan. No, it was after, um, what's the fucking Australia Big Fest? We played in the middle of, Unified.

Unified. It was right after. You guys played that the same day as us, didn't you? Well, that's why we talked about doing it. It would have been either, it was like, I want to say, it was either a brand new pandemic or it was days before. Because it might have been days before it was declared pandemic. Speaking of pandemic and that show, so we flew into Australia probably a week before the festival, because we came over only for the festival. I came over for Christmas.

Oh, that's true. I was weeks earlier. But I remember, so we were doing rehearsals in Melbourne. Yep. And I remember walking down into the lobby of our hotel every day and like walking past the TVs that were on like news channels and stuff and being like. Coronavirus. Right. Like new mystery virus breakout in China and going.

Yeah. This is so. We were just like, I feel bad for saying this. The hell is that. Yeah. Me being like, that sucks. I would probably won't have to worry about that. And then the entire world explodes.

I went to get my nuts checked. Yeah. Pre pandemic popping off. I remember it vividly. I had a little bump. on a nut. Yeah, yeah. Check your nuts, guys.

You gotta go get that one there. And I was like freaking out about it and I went to go get a checked out. Just a cyst. Just a benign cyst. Very small. Gone now. But anyway, I remember being in the waiting room waiting for it and I was watching a thing about people being stranded in Spain on holiday because of this virus.

And in my head, I'm like watching it and I'm just like, oh, it's like one of those cruise ship norovirus things. And I'm like, oh, they're just watching it like as anything. entertainment, not being entertained, but I'm just watching it like, oh, yeah, that would suck? Or would it? Because you were still on holiday, you get free holiday, blah, blah, blah, blah. Three weeks later, it's like, the world is fucking ending.

We may never see the public ever again. I remember seeing a thing like, oh, Tom, Hanks and his wife, they're stranded, they can't, and I go, Tom Hanks can't make it. We're all fucked. Yeah, we're all fucked. He has, he's been known to not make it for quite a while. Okay, I was going to get a pop. And then, that didn't work out so much.

The man survived AIDS, living on an island. Yep, for this, back to that call. Yeah, there's a word for that. His wife, leave in the room when that scene comes on. What's the word? There's a word for that. You can't say it anymore, but you kind of can. Yeah, yeah.

Forest Gump's crazy because Forrest Gump draws the line. You want to talk about music? Oh, fuck off. Forrest Gump draws the line so perfectly into, like, how much an actor can... Yeah, 100%. I already know where you're going with this. Can be a little bit...

What about Gilbert Grape? Yeah, that's too much. That's like insane. Yeah, I think that one crosses. Yeah, Watsy, eating Gilbert grape, that's kind of, that's maybe too far. Yeah, that's wildly. Wildly.

Forest Gump's on the cusp. There's another one that's like, my left foot, is that what it's called? I don't want to hear anything about anyone's left foot. I got a note. Let me tell you something. If I hear that again, one more time. You got one, though.

It's the right foot that should be bugging you, bud. Oh, fine. I fucked that up. Yeah, you did. I thought I was going to hear pop. It's okay. It's got a fucking pop for me. It was going to get a pop.

It did. It's me saying I thought that was going to get a pop earlier, become a quote. I like it. I really like it. I want to keep calling that back if we can. I'll work it in. And I think it's in an edit, so no one will know.

That's your bit. That makes it even better. I straight up hijacked it from you. Yeah, it's your view. Take it. Take it. You guys want to start a cold? It's called the paper cuts.

It's called the left box. Pertheses, I thought that was going to get a pop. Yeah. Yeah. The thought pops. Do you want to get dark or not? Are you having too much fun? We can get dark.

We're down. I live for the darkness. It will fucking switch gears like that. It's gear switching time because we've got the grief tourists watching. Bring it on. Well, those grief tourists that want to know about this crash. Speaking of left foot, right foot, there was one thing you said earlier,

and I didn't want to cut in because you were talking too much. As I do. No. That was a joke. I was fucking talking too much. You said when you were in a coma, that while you were in the coma, your dad was already thinking of a way that you could play the drums.

Yep. Did you know that you'd lost your leg then? So, oh, no. So your dad is planning your life. Yeah, because, They had to make the decision as my parents to take the leg or not. And it got to a point where the infection was spreading. Whoa,

just give me the full story then. Right. I didn't know that. So here's the thing. In the crash, I was as far front you could be to the front lounge. So top left driver's side front bunk. Double decker bus?

No, this is in the States. It was a single decker. Single decker U.S. format condo bunk. driver's side top left on the other side of me is where the front lounge starts so i was you know i took me me zach um i think armin and vigil took the the more up there you are the force the force drifts less you know yeah as far back if that makes sense so up there took a big a big big big hit up there and the the leg was broken so bad and i remember seeing

I was touch and go, like, in and out of consciousness and awareness at certain points during the accident. And there was a point, so I'm kind of jumping all over here. Give me a play by play. Yeah. Yeah. So, so 9 a.m., everyone's asleep in the bunks. I feel the bus jerk, and I hear a loud noise, and then it's just still lights out,

and I wake up in shrapnel and rubble. So surreal, it felt like maybe it wasn't real. It took a second to- He sure felt like a dream. Outside of the bus. Now, he was still in the bus, but I think the roof had torn open where he was so he could see the sky.

Yeah, the part of the bus I was in was like ripped open like a can. So I was on my back when I came to and it was shrapnel around me. and the sky. And you could smell diesel fumes. There were, we had a studio bus. It was formatted to be a studio to write on. We were going to write a record. I was like in and out of consciousness. It took me a minute to realize what had happened was real. And when I did, I just told myself to just calm down and this, this actually happened. And no matter what,

just something told me to not panic and not let my heart. I've never would have even known to do that, but I go, I just got to control my breathing. I know that I need to just breathe in my nose and out on mouth. Like literally you don't know that you have it, but you do have it in you. We're all wired that way.

And you don't know it until it happens and it fucking happened. So I just went into this like zen almost. You in pain. Complete and utter shock. Didn't feel a thing. You looked down at one point and saw your heel or your toes were supposed to be, right? Yes. Yes.

Can you imagine, dude? And I saw that and I just looked away almost like a, no, just don't look at it. And you were like Zen. Yep. I was like, I just got to make it to the hospital and it'll be figured out. That's where my, that's where my head was at. And that's crazy. So what felt like an eternity passed.

I was an attorney. Yeah, I remember. How long we told me? Like two hours? hours of being just trapped in a in a in a in a tour bus accident waiting two hours for people to show up to get out it couldn't have been more in the middle of nowhere it was a two lane rural highway between near los cruises and alpaso border somebody somebody that stopped to help us had to drive like 15 minutes just to get cell phone service to call in help and when it got called

into emergency services it was called in as an RV turned over so when they first sent emergency services it was like not enough people to take care of the 10, people in the band and crew plus both drivers. So the first set of first responders came and then they had to call for backup on top of that. So by the time that the last person, which I think was me, Jim and Timmy, our drum tech at the time, got out of there was like almost three hours after the accident. Shout out, Timmy.

Timmy, the man. Timmy's drum tech for me a couple of times. He's the man. He's love him. Holy shit. Two and a half hours. Yeah. Dude, long time.

We were just trapped there. Yep. And you're Zen. How are you? with this. Oh, panicking. Because I was in the back of the bus. So I was able to, I woke up split second before the impact because I felt the brakes

slam. And it like jolted me awake and then immediately impact. And we finally came to a stop. So like he said, the bus was a studio bus. So like it really technically only had five bunks in it. And they like manufactured extra munks into the back. and so the bunks on the driver side of the bus had like collapsed onto my side. I was on the passenger side of the bus.

And I was able to find like a small hole in the shit that was laying on top of my bunk to like squeeze myself out. And I knew my foot was fucked. So I like couldn't get much further than that. And then Timmy, again, shout out Timmy, was able to get out of his bunk. He climbed out the back window and then lifted me out of the bus. And I was just like sitting on fucking, I don't know, like a. tragedy scene like a like a like a bomb had gone off like they're just shitling everyone I'm sitting on the remains of what was I know now like the remains of the trailer that the semi was pulling

just fucking freaking out like asking jam our bass player like you know is our driver okay like my brain hadn't hadn't accepted what we were like dealing with and everyone else is stuck in the bus except for you timmy and then gym our bass player so I like people screaming oh yeah dude and and to be fair Because like there was a door that separated the studio area that the rest of the bunks were in and the front five bunks. And at that point, I had heard like I had heard Zach yell in pain. I'd heard our, uh, Armando who he mentioned, who is Vigil's best friend. I heard him yell for help.

I heard our front of house guy yell for help. The only two people I didn't hear at all in this moment was him or vigil. And so all I could think is my fucking two of my friends are dead right now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I couldn't see them. I couldn't hear them. Like we had no clue.

what was going on and we're just like asking people who are like stopping who were driving by stopping to help us for like I was like asking can you call my wife and they're like or my at the time my fiance like there's no cell phone reception they can't what's that was a fucking terrible joke but it's like it was it was it was fucked like I didn't know what the fuck was going on I thought my friends were dead that's fucking horrible I couldn't comprehend what was going on and my foot's like crumpled up into a ball and like I just like I can't walk like my body's going to shock so I'm sitting outside in like 80 degree weather but like shivering uncontrollably it was like it was fuck man and your your your zan sorry carry on no i was you you're it was like shock zen i was only zen because i was in completely if i don't go to zen i'm not going to make it out you must have been so close to death yes for your body to just like he was so close to death at multiple points throughout this whole scenario yeah sorry we got sidetracked so no you're good carry on so then in and out of consciousness Yeah, and then however much time passed, I heard people yelling.

Like he said, I could hear things. I didn't know who was what. I didn't know who was left. I was just laying there just waiting. And then next thing I know, it took, you know, I'm a big dude, and it took several people to get me, they put me on like a backboard and they, like, carried me. It was a little bit of a decline, like a little tiny slant.

And I just heard helicopter come down. So they put me on there. And I literally was like a fucking black hawk down or something. Like I literally the pilot was just like, you're going to be all right. And like put the mask on me. And I started breathing on that on the backboard. And I just was out.

And 10 days later. Jesus Christ. From the chopper to the hot. You can remember that, the chopper. I remember it vividly. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

So crazy. Yeah. So in a coma, you know, they, they bring you. it's essentially bringing you like an inch above death. It is just the closest you can be to death, but controlled. You could imagine that's some intense shit that put you on. So coming out of that.

Hit me what? Right. Can you remember any of it? Yeah, I had fucking crazy, crazy weird dreams that. You had a dream about us, like the Botoclon thing with, Eos of Death Medal happened like a week or two before. this and we had played at the Bada Claw only a couple weeks before that.

Yeah. There was something about you like thinking that it was us that was in that shooting. Someone told me I woke up and I was like did ISIS do this to us. I'm sorry for it. I swear to God.

It's crazy on paper for sure. You did not expect that to come out of my mouth. I'm like, I'm on like, like, close to tears where how sad this fucking story is. And then you hit me with that. And it's objectively very funny. Oh, my God.

I don't know if the tears are from the fucking story or the ISIS. Anyway, carry on. So that, that's what that's what. coma will do to you. Yeah. Right. So, because I had these dreams that there were like people just,

uh, walking around just killing all my friends. Like, our, like, and they felt real. I mean, our guitar tech had a,

had, had, uh, he was in a coma also and he just had dreams where he vividly remembered his doctor, his surgeon trying to kill him. So weird. Because all the fucking meds they put you on and shit.

Yeah. How do we know that was a dream? I mean, to be fair, we don't know. Doctors these days. Yeah, we don't know,

I guess. And based on completely nothing. I know, you know. Just wanted to just stir something up. We got a comment that's like, doctor here. Actually, yeah, I try and kill loads of my versions.

By the way, that happened a lot in our field. I watched too many fucking movies. Doctors these days. Okay, so you're in the coma. You come out of the coma. Yeah, and I'm not kidding you, this is insane. More insane than did ISIS do this.

Yes, it is the first thing I said. When I came out of a coma was get me a Pepsi. Stat. Stap with stat. That's real life. The first thing you said. Yes. Do you like Pepsi?

I fucking love Pepsi. I kind of wish you would have said, no, I fucking hate it. Big Pepsi fan, yeah. Well, evidently. Yeah. The first thing I said coming out of a coma was get me a Pepsi stat. Jesus Christ. My mom and dad were raised.

right there to corroborate the story. They probably fucking love that, to be honest with you. And it takes a couple days to come out of that. And I was there unknowingly for, I think, two or three days, not knowing it was gone. I didn't know. So what, are you there? Are you, like, hanging out? Yeah.

I'm, like, in the hospital bed, like, so just, like, you know, coming out of the coma medicine that I'm, like, just laying there, you know, high as fuck, basically. Is there conversations happening with people? Yeah, I barely remember them. But like I have, I remember Pepsi. There's a Pepsi conversation. I wouldn't say that that's the first fucking thing I thought of.

That's crazy. Pepsi, what's up? Priorities. So, yeah. No offense. Kind of a shitty drink to like. I like it. I don't know.

I like Pepsi. I was about to die. Fuck, I nearly missed Pepsi. I'm a simple man. No, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Carry on.

Yeah. So once I finally got. out of, you know, coherent again. They, they told me. I think it was, I don't know, it was my mom or my dad. I think it was one of them that said that they had to take the leg. And, um, I, I just remember, like, not allowing some, again, some sort of like fight or flight thing or maybe stubbornness or something.

just made me not accept that. It made me accept it, but say, well, it's not going to stop me. I think that I just immediately went into a mindset of, don't look back at that, just figure out how to continue. But you did accept it straight away, but it was more of just like,

I'm sorry, you saying your own words. You're right. That's exactly what it was like. It was more like just, okay, give me my phone. And I was like, musicians who've lost limbs disabled. Immediately. Immediately.

Yeah. Obviously, I knew, like when they told me that, obviously, and I'm sure anyone would say it the first one that comes to mind is Rick Allen. Yeah.

Who I did end up connecting with. Psychotic. IRL. Yeah. Yes. There's a photo of me. He reached out to him over social media, I think,

first, right? Yeah. We chatted on like Twitter DMs or something. Or anyone that doesn't know, Rick Allen. Death Leopard lost his, I believe he lost his arm in, his right arm. Yeah, a car accident.

Yeah, it was a car accident? Yeah, but then we did Copen hell in 2020. 2020, three. And they were one of the headliners. And we were able, our drum tech, I think, actually went up to someone in their crew. I actually think it was Nick. Was it?

Oh, our guitar tech. It was like, hey, like our drummer is an ampetee. They've talked before. Can you set up a time for them to meet? And Rick took time out of this day. He came right out and talked to hang out with him. Of course he fucking did. The man.

So, which was very fucking cool of him to do. Like, he didn't have to do that. But I think that he remembered talking to me and it was cool to actually just, you know, he asked how I'm doing and how it's been going. You look great, all that stuff. We chatted a minute, got a photo. That's cool. Super cool. Super cool.

So, yeah, I just, I just was like, okay, it happened. Like, I'm, I'm going to just figure it out. Like, I'm not going to. low in pity. And you didn't. And you're like, I watched a video earlier on because I was like, let me just have a little deep dive on these guys

just check what they're up to. Bro, you're so tight, like, tighter than me. And I got two legs. Oh, that is not true. I got two legs, mate. I'm not tighter than you. Bro, you're so... I feel like one of them slowing me fucking down

watching your videos. You're so humble. This guy's cheating. Yeah, there's fucking cheating. There's less to move. I love that. We're friends. I can make it.

He can say that. He can say that. No, but you're fucking killing it. He is. Yeah. It's like, you wouldn't know. If you were in the crowd,

you wouldn't fucking know. I said earlier that his dad saved the band with like figuring out the hammer thing. But it's like it's, that's obviously a massive part of it, right? But like his like unwillingness to not let it beat him. Like that is really what saved it. Because like I,

so I went in to see him in the hospital. when he was still in a coma. And at that point, his parents were still like, we don't know what's going to happen. I think that at that point, they knew that he was going to lose a leg, right? But I think for the sake of like my mental health, they were trying to give me a little bit of hope to keep fighting, right? Yeah.

And I went in to see him and he was still out. And I could, I mean, it's graphic to say, but like I could smell his leg dying in front of me. Like I could tell. They didn't say to me, but I could tell it was going to go. just based on being in the room with him, right? And when I got the text that he was going in for surgery to lose his leg, my immediate thought was,

fuck, I hate that for him. That's also the end of the band. Like, I immediately just assumed. Yeah, I just made it's never been done. Right.

The band's just done. And I had already started the process of accepting that. So, yes, his dad coming up with the idea for the hammer, like save the band, his determination to not, let this situation stop him from doing this, that's what really saved the band.

Because his dad could have come up with that all day long, but if he wasn't willing to figure out how to make it work, like, there's no way this band was coming back. Like, that is the combination of those two things is what saved this band for sure. Hands down. Hands down. The combo. Yeah, but it's fucking, I'm so sorry it happened to you guys. And there was like, I was talking about the other day, it was like, the two that stick

out in my head of people that I, like, know what? have toured with obviously there's been more but like the decapitated bus crash yeah 2006 yeah you guys had 2016 2015 2015 2015 and like it's just and obviously metallica but i in in my people that are in your circle yeah oh right like and i'm sure there's more that i fucking forgotten but yeah because it's but it's those two in particular and in particular yours is like I've never felt comfortable on a bus again. Sure. Like, how do you guys deal with that?

I mean, I think for me, I've just accepted how freak of an accident it is. And it's like, I try to think about it as like, you know, they say lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, which obviously it fucking can. There's always a chance of that, right?

But I just accept how fucking freak of an incident was. And I just accept that it's highly unlikely that it'll happen to us again. Now, we did have a situation. We had another scare. Oh, yeah. We got in another minor bus accident. Two years ago. That fucking.

What happened? We had a double driver in Europe that was a fucking dip shit. Driving, driving. Wonder if it's the same guy. Driving through a, fucking construction zone and hit something and like swirled real hard. And like him and I were across the hall from each other in the bunks. We both whipped our curbs of and we thought we were dying again.

And I literally had a, I did genuinely have. have a moment that I said it's fucking happening again. Yep. But I've a second of that. Yep. But I've just accepted that like it's such a freak accident. It would be almost fucking impossible for it to happen again. How about you?

Yeah, same. And if it does, it better take me out this time. That's the other side too. I'm not, you're not going to make something. Indestructible boss. Your dad bringing you fucking back to life. Yeah.

Like, no, for real though. He's still going to play. He's fucking dead. Yeah. I made a robot. I am a head. I'm just consciousness, like the movie Transcendence. But you don't, I mean, do you have trauma from it?

Oh, for sure. My trauma would be getting on a bus again, but you seem quite cool with it. You know, I don't know if it's like stubbornness, but it's like I can survive a bus accident. You know what it was for me? Up until maybe a year ago was fucking flying, which never in my life before that. You will die. You're 100%. guaranteed to die.

Yeah. That one doesn't, are you got kids? I got kids. I got kids. No. I've got kids. I got a wife.

And it's, it's the not being in control. And I guess I know that sounds crazy where I should be scared of the bus because I've been through a horrific situation like that. But I feel like it's this weird part of me that's like, well, you've already lived through it once. Like,

you'll be fine. A plane if it goes down, I'm fucking dead no matter what. This is why I'm dick. What about you? You got trauma from it? I don't, I, obviously I'm got a leg. That's some trouble.

Yeah, the only thing I don't have is a leg. No, I, I, I don't know what it is, man. I just, all I know is that I didn't want, I wasn't going to let my dream that I'm currently living still today be done because of something unless I want it to be done. Sure. So being on a tour bus is part of the dream and I'm not done. and I didn't want to be done. And it was as simple as that for me to just be like, one day at a time,

figure this out and then get back out there. And I don't know if it's more complicated than that. That's really my thought process behind it. It really seems like you both mentally quite well off, like. Probably better than we should be to some extent. That's what I'm saying. In my head, I'd be like, no, that'd be it. I'm not going to fucking ever again.

I mean, I think, but maybe I wouldn't. Maybe it takes, maybe I'm more scared than you now because I didn't live through it to get on a bus. You would never know until it happened. You would never know. You don't think about it. And then it happens.

And then you, one thing too, swear to God is the outpouring of support. Oh, that was a huge part of it from everyone. Yeah. We made you a song. You did.

You did what was awesome. Thank you for doing it. It was my first stray song. I correct. No way, really. Thank you for doing that. That was that was. It was programmed around this.

But, Shit, shit like that. It was a huge part of like what helped us get through. I cried. Like legitimately. Yeah. And seeing all of our peers that like donated, I think bring me their eyes and donated like 10 grand to our go fund me because they said they wanted eyes on it.

They want people to be aware of what happened. And it and it did. And it helped. It helped especially vigil cover like. I mean a million plus in hospital bills. What the fuck? Like, the support we had epitaph stopped just like they just made all of the royalties go like go to us for a long time. They did that from the time of the accident all the way up to like a month before the comeback record came out.

And they just they just were like, yeah, you guys need it right now. Dude, what label does that? Dude, like that that kind of support in a community coming together like fucking literally made it go. Well, if I wasn't already just like I want to do it for myself enough, I got to. to fucking do it. Right. We got to do it. Yeah,

for it's in our corner. For everyone that's pushing for it. And man, that made a comeback. You also just got paid royalties for the first time. Yeah, no joke. No joke.

For a whole minute. Yeah. That was nice. Yeah, it was. It legit helped me, like, when I was able to drive again

with the prosthetic leg, it helped me get, like, I did like a three-year lease on a silver auto until I bought a car eventually. But because of Epitaph, solely, I was able to gain a massive part of my independence back by being able to, like, drive myself around as an adult again.

Is there a moderation to the car? Or is it? Nope. It's the same. I just drive. I guess we're in America as fucking. Well, you know, they have a lot of mods. They have, like, hand controls where you can gas and brake.

I was like, I don't want any of that. Motherfucker, I can play double kick. I don't need that. I just tuck the prosthetic and I drive with my left. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I just gas brake. And here I am.

fucking up all the stuff again. Reframe. Cut it. I'm just kidding. I thought it was going to get a pop. Exactly. That's crazy, bro. Bro, that's crazy. Drink monster. Simon. No, leave that in. It's funny.

You telling me this horrific story. I had my image going, oh, that's crazy, bro. That's crazy. That's, right. Let's cut this in. That's cool. crazy, bro. How'd you come out of this? I see you've got two legs.

I hate, I hate bringing it up because as long as you know, as I get pop for me. That's fine. That was a dessert pop. I feel bad even bring it up compared to like what he said or even like any any like I have. My list of injuries is so minimal compared to like more than a half of our band and crew. Like I had two broken ankles and I, uh,

I shattered like my entire right foot. and they had to like basically rebuild it. It still sucks. Oh no, don't get wrong. It fucking sucks. But by comparison, like, dude, I fucking, I ran a 5K last year.

Like, I run for fun. Like, I still have. Rub it in. What's that? Fucking crazy, man. I'm not bad. I'm so sorry, brother. I'm so sorry.

Please forgive me. How was your five? We're all friends. We're all friends. How was your 5K? I, so I deserve that. I deserve that. I'm proud of you.

No, it's good. Yeah. Yeah. So, broke both ankles. I mean, because, you know, you're fucking. laying feet first when you come to a hard stop you fucking sliding to the front you know um so broke

both ankles shattered my right foot broken ribs like you climb out of that thing and then you like walk on these broken angles oh yeah dude my right foot was like oh my right foot was fucking dude that's yeah this is horrible when i'm gonna have nightmares i had a break in my foot that it's called a list frank fracture and it's named after one of napoleon's generals and it's what used to happen to soldiers when they would fight on horseback when their horse would flip over and their foot would get caught in the stirp and bend their foot in half. My foot folded in half at some point in the accident. I thought it meant Lisa Frank.

No, no, no, not that one. Not that one either. And they're going to Anne Francafaxia. No, it's the less popular Frank. Yeah, dude, it's my, it sucked. Like, I'm not going to act like it didn't suck. Like, I was fully like wheelchair bound for, for months. Like it fucking side. I had to learn to walk again. Like it wasn't fun. But like when I

think about like what he had to go through or like what like Zach had like 16 hours of surgery on his pelvis alone. Like they like piece back together like shattered glass tiny little sizes of pieces of bone in Zach's pelvis. Where was Zach on the bus? He was he was across the hall from me and not a lot of, I wonder if like not a lot of people know that Zach lost like half of his foot. Yeah. He he is. I know the first time I ever met him. Yeah. Did he show it to you? He showed it to me immediately. We used to do something. I feel like Zach hates me.

Does that hate me? He gets that a lot. Before I joined the band, I thought Zach fucking hate him. He's just, he's just stone-faced. I mean, I saw him with half a foot about six months after an accident. Yeah, that makes sense. We would do something called a nub rub. Okay.

Okay. So. Is a category on Pornhub is that? Well, it is now. It is as a nubbub. So his foot, the little, like, piece that's cut out, perfect. shape for my nub. Really? It just goes slots in that. Just like a puzzle piece.

Like a fucking, some sort of power rangers. Fucking adorable. And Vigil's buddy, Armin, who was on the bus with us, lost some toes. He calls that foot choppy. He calls that one choppy. And he would get in on a nub rub and so it would be a three-way nub rub. And also, everything's fine. It's these psychotic things that we do

to get through this kind of shit together. I mean, it's a testament to like, it's going to sound cheesy, but like musicians that just want to make music. Yeah, I think any other profession on earth

would be like, would be like, maybe enough of this. Okay, yeah, this profession nearly killed me. Yep, I'm out. Gonna stop. Yeah,

I was, you know, we were nowhere near done. Even, even after all of that, I still love this shit just as much as I did when I got into it as a teenager.

Like, I have no desire to stop. I just don't. Yeah. At all. I think I love it more. I don't have a band, guys. So rub that in.

You want to join our band? You've had an accident, but I don't have a band. I love that you got to turn it around. We'll be the first metal court band with two drummers you want to join. Oh, wow. I was going to say, I'll do right foot, you do the left foot. But you don't even fucking need me. You don't need me.

Do you think if it was the left foot? I do think it would be easier. Yeah, it would be so much easier, wouldn't it? Right. It's like it's. That again, who the fuck knows? was what if because it's my left and I'm not as dominant with it, it was like way harder. I don't know.

Hypothetical. Absolutely morbid hypothetical. Right. Hit me. Legger arm. You know what? And I have a really good friend. His name is Jason Barnes.

He plays drums with an arm. Is that a site? That is. Yeah. What's his? What? Cybernet X. Cybernet X.

He has a, he has a nonprofit called Limitless Foundation. and their whole goal is to support underinsured or not insured amputees disabled to play music, get instruments. It's fucking incredible. Him and our friend Matt Bankston, they run it together. We actually did some content at Pearl that will be coming.

See. Pretty soon. When I watch him play with one arm and a device that he made, he made a device on his arm that has like a stick with a, it looks like, a pedal like a pedal spring and the when he does this it gives it like i've seen it yeah like he can play like that dude it's fucking awesome so i would rather have the leg yeah yeah um i i i i can't imagine how it is to play drums with because it starts with the arms doesn't it was made i would

i actually never asked i want to ask jason that what he thinks what would you rather have you want to swap. Right. Hey, buddy. Why try swapping for a day? Dude. There's no way he says yes, because he's overcome it and you've overcome it and you can't comprehend the other person.

He has a non-profit that's for specifically helping people get into music. It's called Limitless. You can look it up. He is doing very cool things. He's super, super smart and driven to do it. It's literally all self-funded and just the fucking man. Here's what I want to do. And I'm going to tell you.

I'm going to tell you because I want you to hold me to it. This pearl pedal fucking thing, whatever it is. Assuming it goes on, I'm assuming it's going to go on sale. I want to buy one of those for someone. That would be fucking awesome. I think we can do that. I think we can do some cool things.

So whenever it comes out, but I don't want some guy to pretend like, I ain't got a leg. And it ends up, he has got a fucking leg. So I want you to hit me up. If you get someone that come to you or anything like that. and it's available,

I would like to do that for someone. On behalf of the downbeat and the fucking Patreon. Let's do that. Yes, I love that. Do you want to have another shot? I'm down.

Cheers. Cheers. I haven't drank this much on the podcast since so long. We're very compass mantis. Paper cut. Paper cut. Paper cut.

Oh, I didn't do the... God damn it. Craig. Ruin the moment. And that made it really nice. Thank you, Monster. Also, thank you, Aaron Gillespie.

Aaron Gillespie and Monster. Come in in clutch there. And thank you, downbeat for having us. Yes. I've been wanting to do this. This has felt like 10 minutes and it's been two hours. I can't believe it's been two hours.

I want to keep going. I mean, we can keep going. We got to sleep, I know. You have to sleep, but you actually turned up early. It's midnight. Let me check my notes for the first time. It doesn't feel like that. Yeah, check your notes.

For the first time all episodes. Professional podcaster over here. Love it. I mean, eagle-eyed viewers will see that I had an iPad for this last week and I forgot to bring it. You want to just be fun for a bit? Sure. Yes. Because we talked a little bit about movies.

I fucking love movies. I sort of wish this was a movie podcast, but what I like about it is it's not, and I can just talk to musicians about it. And it'll end up blending itself. I feel like all of us love movies too. So I feel like it's an easy topic to bring up with anybody who plays in the band.

I think it's like an appreciated second art form that I could never do. Yep. But yet, I feel like, yeah, they're my boys. I could probably do it. Chris Nolan is my boy. We're the same. I do what he does but music, yeah?

I'm the best actor. and no one knows. You fucking are, though. I'm telling you. I wish. What happened to that? Were you going to do a sketch show at some point?

I was going to say, he, I think you got rid of it. I did. He had a sketch YouTube channel for a little bit before the accident and he got rid of it, which bones me out because it was fucking awesome.

I have pages of sketches in my notes out. Because it was not, as our friend Adam would say, it was no good. It was good. I did it in, we had, it was a weird pocket of downtime for the band.

I always, find these other things to do when we have a lot of downtime just to, so I can not sit and go insane. But that was pre- extreme downtime. Oh yeah. It was like right before it. Yeah. It was that late summer before it.

Some say it was the catalyst. That's right. Some say. We probably deserved it, huh? Good pop. I got a good pop. You got a good pop from Madison as well. I'm actually pulling out my notes, but I do have a whole

entire notes folder. of sketches. If you ever want to restart this, you should. I have like... I would fucking love to see the two of you do sketches together. Maybe we should just do it. Here's my issue with it,

because I've genuinely thought about it. You got the cameras. I know I've got the cameras, but here's the problem. And here's where I think someone like, do you like, I think you should leave. Sure.

Obviously, yeah, because it's the best, it's the best current sketch show for fucking... It's amazing. It's amazing. It's fucking good. But like, here's why it works.

They don't look like us. They look like normal people. Yeah. A lot of my sketches rely on not looking like me. And I've stupidly made myself look like this. But if you think about Tim Robinson's not in all of those sketches, you just find people to do them. And you just direct it.

That's true. And you read it. But majority of them are him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He kills it. Yeah. Like I got shit about like a yoga teacher and shit like that. I don't have that look.

Right. And I don't trust anyone else to pull it off. I think you just do it. and just unironically lean into it. And the elephant in the room is that you do look, put together, fit, handsome, tattooed, swaggy. Look at that. That's right.

That's right. Really what was happening right was brother was fishing for compliments. And he got all of them in one. I wasn't fish. He got all of them in one. But like I think that you just, you just do it anyway. I'm going to send you my sketch notes and you can give me notes.

Some of them I think are really fucking running. And I've been writing these for like five years. I love it. Okay. You are a funny motherfucker. You are. So it would be, it would be for me. Dude, coming from you. You know what pops up in my fucking, you, or Instagram feed every now and then is you on Seth Myers. And you making John Oliver crack up. And I fucking love it so much.

You were so quick. I love it so much. When he, you, you gave like the joke back right away. It's like you should have, it's like you were the house drummer. Yeah. Do you want to know the backstory? Yes. Because there's a cop.

I, I, oh, is there? Did you know? Oh, okay. So no. And the cut isn't the joke. This is what's funny. Okay. So the night before I'm doing night one of Seth Myers, bear in mind, there's only, I think

there's maybe like 10 out of 100 or so. No, I don't know. Maybe 10% of the drummers that were on there ever got a guest to speak to them. And in two, I did two weeks, one week in 2022 and one in 2022. And I got a guest both times to speak to me, which is fucking crazy. I didn't do it. Did it twice. Fucking sick.

One of like three people, twice. Because I fucking nailed it the first time. That's a big deal. But, okay, so the night before the first, the first fucking show, and I've got nothing, I've got no idea what's happening

because you just turn up at 11 a.m. and I tell you one the day. And I get told, yep, you're going to learn the songs the morning of. You're going to actually write, you write the songs with the band at 11 a.m. That's sick. And then you play them in front of a live studio

audience at four. So you actually get that's sick. Pretty decent fucking I would have a panic attack. The guys are so fucking good. Oh, they're as professional as you can get.

They're like so professional, so nice that they're just like, okay, you want to do, we got this guest, and then you have an in joke about the guest, and then someone goes, sounds like we should do

like a smooth jazz intro because of the in joke you just had. Like a conversation, maybe it's even just the guest's name and someone says, oh, that sounds like, like a dinosaur let's make it fucking rock that's how it starts you write it and that's it night before i'm with jesse barnett from stick to your guns in a bar he's not drinking straight

edge um in new york because they just played gramsy and he's like are you excited and all this and i'm like i'm fucking nervous and he's like who's the guest tomorrow and i was like i was like i was like i was john oliver and he goes in this is 24 hours before he goes what are you going to say if he asked you about the queen because the queen had just died. And I was like, there's no way he's going to ask me out of the plane. And you get, yeah, but what would you say? And I don't know. I didn't know her.

And he fucking, he, I got a pop. I got a pop like immediately from Jesse. Because I'm just talking myself. Right. He was like, what are you going to say? I don't know. I didn't know it. And he fucking popped.

And then that was that. And then I'm on set the next day. We're filming. And what happens is you wrote the songs in the morning and they record them. And then while the guest is, getting interviewed. They're playing you the song you're about to play. So you're not listening to the interview.

Right. They're playing you the song. And so I'm listening to the song that's going to take us to the ad break. And I'm not listening to it. And I look up and entire studio audience, John Oliver and Seth Myers are all looking at me. That's my worst nightmare. And I pull out my ear, because I've got my ears and listening to the song. And I're like, all right?

to the entire NBC audience. And then John just delivers what he just said to me, but I didn't hear him again. And he goes, sorry for our loss. How did you feel about the queen? And I went, and then my brain went, I was talking, I've got a line for this. I was talking to Jesse yesterday.

It instantly went to it. It just literally, I don't know, I didn't know her. That's fucking incredible. He popped, Seth pop, the whole fucking thing pop. But there is a cup. where I go, what? Because I don't know what they were fucking... Legit couldn't hear him.

Is there a part of you that went, I should write sketches for S&L? I should write jokes for S&L after that. I made two Snell guys pop. So Eric, the producer, who's now a close friend of mine, he's a drummer, as a fucking Mell Head. He's a great guy.

He, like, I was like, let's get me a line tomorrow. Like, every day, I was like, let's do this. And then there was one other, like, the next time I did it, Tracy Morgan, comes on stage and then he's like fucking giving some shit to Seth

and then he's like oh me and Craig go way back Tracy Morgan and then and then Seth goes yeah you know Craig the drama and he's like yeah we what does he say he says we go we go back like spinal cords in car seats

and then I said have you still got that five of you owe me. Amazing. And he was like, no, I'll pay you next week. And I said, you said that last week, right? Yeah, but. Fucking perfect.

But because of... I don't think I saw that. No, but because of either, it was either mics or it really cut away from the interview, it got cut out. It wasn't actually on there. So I didn't air. Oh, that's amazing. But like, I can't, like, honestly, I don't think I could,

think that quickly. No way. If Tracy, if it was riffing with me like that, I would be like, uh, Tracy Morgan one,

I will take the full credit for. Yeah. If I hadn't had that chat with Jesse Barnett, I would have probably froze. It was day one. It was still your idea, though.

No, but I don't think I would have got it like I got it. Sure. Because I remember thinking, much like you in that car crash, wouldn't you nearly died? I remember thinking,

yeah, compare it to that. Yeah, it's totally the same thing. I remember thinking that so when he goes when he goes we're all met

everyone's cracking up we're mates we're mates is fine when he said sorry about our loss about the queen I remember in my head sorry that I fucking

in any way related this I literally we're playing into the bit right now I was trying to get a pop it got such a I'm just trying to get as many pops as I can It got such a fucking Bop

I remember vividly Like it was a fucking Not to make it sound anything like it But it was like time slowed down But it was like I would think My I can relate

I'm gonna fucking piss myself My brain My brain went Oh my God Yeah I know I'm gonna to say it. I'm going to say the thing that I said last night.

And it was so crazy. But didn't it happen like that? Yeah. Yeah. But at the moment, I was like, please don't relate this to the thing. I don't think I would have like the wit to think that on my feet like that. Of course you fucking would. I don't know, man.

He would. He would. He would. He would. I don't know. I, I think I had, no, I really do struggle with quickness like that. I'm not sure I agree with that. Not through a quick as fuck I'm quick as fuck I crush

yeah you crush there was a few other funny moments on there not to make this all about me um no do it and Hathaway is like one of my old old like celebrity crush Anne Hathaway was on the show

and Eric the producer told her the drummer that's filling him in the band has a crush on you and she fucking comes out and winks at me and I'm playing I'm playing rock beat one.

Fuck up immediately. On live TV, I'm going, she comes out and winks at me like that, and I went, boomt, get to boom. It was like, fucking someone shot me. Game over. It was fucking insane. I do that every night in our set.

Well, he does. We give him a pass. We give him a pass. Just because of the leg. You have such a part. I don't have a pass. Sometimes my right leg's playing up, and I'm like, I've got an hour of ski.

Dude, you posted the fucking, dude, the thing you posted, the other day. I can't wait to hear this. Did you see what he posted? I forget what beat you were playing. It was super sick. And then it just ends with him going, well, that was dumb. It was the blast beat thing. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I just stopped and he goes, well, that was dumb. It was because it was, it was a song I was supposed to be learning. And I was like, and everyone was like, it was on stream. and everyone was in the chat and I was like, should I learn the parts

properly, blah, blah, blah, and then I was just like, shall I just blast beat over the whole song? And everyone went, yeah. And I was like,

I got to do it. Made for a really fucking good clip. Yeah, it's good. I saw that one. That's good. Good pop. Good pop.

Good pop. Got a pot. Great fucking pop. What are you got coming up? We might as well do some promotion. Yeah. This has been delightful, by the way.

It went by super fucking quick. I knew it was going to be fun. Yeah. I don't know. What do we have coming up? We got a lot of like flying stuff. Yeah. Because I said that we were going to talk about movies.

We didn't even fucking touch it at all. How did we get in here? I freaking love Castaway, man. I freaking love that shit. I love idle hands. Weird science. Maybe we step out and just let him talk about movies for a minute. It's like, yeah, empty here.

And I'm just naming, naming movies. Cross-off. Wait, right, right. Tell me where you got coming up. Then we'll do movies. What? Sonic Temple in May. Oh, I'm going to be there. We're going to be there. Are you doing all the Danny Wimmer stuff this year?

Wait, what? Are you every day of it? Downbeats at Wimmers this year. That's so sick. Are you doing episodes at it? Yeah. That's fucking cool. We're the second to last day. Of Sonic Temple. With architects. Oh, my God. What day.

With the text. I'm taking the day off. Yeah, yeah. To be with the boys. Yep. So we're there that day. What else? We got Warped tour. Yeah. So a lot of this year is just about writing. Like we're like so overdue for a record So we do have our year is pretty light this year on purpose Just so we can focus on a record but yeah we do Sonic Temple We have a festival in Quebec Festival O'Lack or something like that

It's us and ginger and a bunch of it's actually a really sick lineup That's in June yeah And then the following weekend we do warp tour in DC and they do warp tour in California And then we fly right over to do like the August festival circuit in Europe Oh, the good one We haven't, is it, is it fun? We've never done it. I mean, they're both good.

Why did I say that British? And why did I say the good one when they're both good? You got the good. Is it fun? But I, but I, your accent is so good. Why did I go, is it fun? But I go, is it fun? Like, like American.

No, but it's, your accent is so good. That's so funny. We got on August, um, full force. So full force is gone, I think. It's done. Yeah. Which is a bummer. We got summer, summer breeze?

I think it's gone for good. Summer breeze. Great. Brutal assault. Yes, I think so. Great. There's a couple in there. I know I'm forgetting,

which I feel really bad about. Yeah, you still go good shit. Bloodstock. Is that in there? So we're not doing blood stock. Unfortunately, not bloodstock. No. But it's,

there's something we're doing in the Czech Republic the same day. There's a conflict. We try to make it work. It just didn't work out. They're all good. Yeah. It's all good. Yeah.

So we've done the, like, the, like, June, July one, a million times and never done any of the, like, late July into August ones before. So we're like, fuck it. We'll go, we'll go rock those. Yeah. Have you done, oh, sorry.

No, for the record, the June circuit, rock and ring, download, grass pop. My favorite thing goaded. In life to do in a band ever. It's the one thing I miss the most. It's the most unbelievable experience every single time. As long as you get them all. As long as you get them all. Isn't it fucking, I suppose you don't know.

But sometimes stray will do it and it's like, well, we didn't get an offer from Hellfest. I'm sorry. We didn't get Hellfest last year. Yeah, we. Neither did we. Yeah. Right in the middle. We got a day off on a Friday.

We were on a bunch of the same days together on a lot of the fest last summer. We didn't get Hellfest last year either. Why the fuck on? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it is on a cool day. And guess what? And we didn't even make a thing about how we had to play during Slipknot when we played it in 2020.

In 2023, we played directly during Slipknot. Literally we were listening to the first three songs of Slipknot set and then our intro started. We had to play during Slipknot. At each year had the first three. Less upset we had to compete with Slipknot, more upset that we couldn't watch them. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah.

Because, I mean, that's a pinnacle to see them every time in Europe. Yeah. Have you done Sonic Temple before? We did it for the first time in 2024. What do I have coming for me? Oh, it's fucking awesome. So fun. I've only done louder.

Okay. So we haven't done louder. Oh my God. It's the best. As far as like U.S. festivals go, like Danny Wimmers got it. It's the closest as it comes to doing a European style festival. Danny's got to figure it out. If you loved Louder,

you're gonna fucking love Sonic. That's what I said when I went to Loudor, I was like, oh my God, this is like, I love Euro festivals. Love them to death. Yeah.

My favorite thing I have is Wimmer. Yeah. And I went to Loudor and I was like, this is like someone went to a Euro festival and went, this is awesome. Right. Finally.

These things we could change a bit. Yep. And I was just like, oh my God, it's perfect. Like the distance between everything. We are just so like lucky. and happy to be involved with any of them because of,

dude, it's just such a fucking fun time. Yeah. All of our friends are always there. You know you're going to have, it doesn't matter. It's like having like a hometown arena where there's not a bad seat in the house. You're going to have a good set.

It doesn't matter what stage, what time. It's so fun, it's kind of crazy that the Eurofest had this on lock for so long until, and it's just still kind of just any woman. It's pretty wild It's pretty wild Also a sweetheart

We got to meet him at Sonic Temple We met him three days ago Dude he's the best Yeah he's super fucking cool Yeah he he for sure has the whole thing figured out It's awesome and I think that He's kind of becoming one of the taste makers of like Of like heavy music in general for the stage

It's really cool It's so bizarre that like I feel like America's been like held as like This like key market for or just music in general. And we're like just now figuring out festivals. Festivals, yeah. Thanks to Danny Wimmer.

It's so weird. Yeah. Dude, our stage, I feel like is just the boys. It is. Architects, Amity, Alpha Wolf, I think. ABR. August Burns Red. Yeah, it's packed full of the boys.

I think Pierce is headlining this. They might be. The day. But I think wage war is on. Is that why she just like exclaimed? I was just thinking about how excited I am to be surrounded by Ohioans. Are you from Ohio? I am.

Okay, there you go. I'm from technically Akron, but Cleveland. Sure, sure, sure. I'm from Lansing, Michigan. Do you know that? I don't. Do you know Grand Rapids? I do.

So it's like an hour from there. Okay, I see. Your neighbors. You're neighbors. We were very close, very close, yeah. Now we do some Vegas. Oh, yeah. It's, yeah, but in Vegas doesn't have to worry about the fucking winter.

I don't miss. It must get cold in the desert, though. Yeah, but you don't get fucking feet of snow and ice and shit. And also just so much sun, so much more endorphins and just good mood. That's how I feel about being here. Y'all versus the UK. And even here, everyone was like, I had it with this weather. To be fair, you guys got a fucked snowstorm here this year.

At least one, maybe two in January. We went home early. We were here in January. We literally left early because of the snow coming in. It ruined our house to the point that we moved house next week. Wow. You're moving because of that storm? Yeah, there's still a tree in our fucking roof.

Oh my God, dude. And the landlord was, like, doing nothing about it. Yeah. I was like, let me just fucking. We were supposed to be here for like three more days for writing when that was coming in. We were like, no, we just have to leave. We changed our flights like the day before. And if we hadn't, we may have been stuck here for like a week or more.

We were in the UK seeing my parents who I haven't seen for a year. We're three days in. I get a phone call in the morning. Like, oh, there's a tree on your house and the cats can get out of the hole. Jesus Christ, dude. But I couldn't even get a flight home because all the airports are shut down. the fucking airports are shut. So it was just like a...

Let me spend the next four days with my parents who I love very much. I haven't seen in ages. Just worrying about everything at home. Yeah, fuck, dude. It was a nightmare. But I do, other than tornadoes and that freak snowstorm,

like every day I wake up, it's fucking... Even if it's too hot, I'm like, this. Dude, I love it here. I think I fucking love that show. It's sick. I would move here if I could. I, like, legitimately love it here. I think it's great.

if I had to go anywhere, you know, east of where I live. I would, I would choose national. Yeah, absolutely. Or any of the suburbs around here. And I think that goes back to like a lot of what you were, when you were asking earlier about like why people come here or right. It's like a lot of the people that we would normally go right with all lived in L.A. right?

And then when the pandemic hit, everybody fucking got the fuck out of there and they all moved here. That's why everyone hates us. Everyone hates the new people. But everybody's just here now. We're moving next week and I'm like terrified of our neighbors. Yeah. Because it's like a new build. Oh.

There's like maybe eight new builds on this road. Yep. And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, Have you met the neighbors? No, but in my head, I like, I know I'm the problem. But maybe they're the problem too and you're fine. You're just in it together. I moved to Vegas in 2022 and it was a whole entire new build community and everyone's nice.

You're fine. Oh, I mean the neighbors that aren't the new build. Like who are pissed off about the new build You'll be fine I'm a warrior You're British You got a cool accent They're like oh there's a cool British guy next door

And you'll charm them Yeah you're good That was my other thing I was like hang on here honey He sounds like Harry Potter I get away I get away with so much brother You're good

You're good Hold on can you just talk again For a little bit there I got that way When I was phoning So we're moving I got the company That did all the

because it's a new build. The company did all the appliances. Sorry, it's just fucking boring. You got the grief tourism. Fuck off now. Let us talk, HVAC. It's a new build, so everything's brand new.

And the guy, the project manager of the whole building, was like, this is your guy, if you need any electronics. So I phone this guy, because I could probably do with another TV and he's going to install it and there's a fireplace with tiles and shit. It's fucking nice. And I don't want to, I don't feel comfortable drilling

into tiles. So let me see how much a new TV. is and they're going to fit it. Yeah. Phone the guy up. That's exact voice. Yeah. That sounds right.

And he's like, I literally like, yeah, I've bought this. He's like, I've never heard no one talk from Australia before. I get that a lot. I get that a lot, but this guy didn't get it. I was like, yeah, I'm moving into this place. Someone told me, a project manager told me that you might be a guy for a TV and TV fitting. He was like, you a musician?

Immediately. And I was like, yeah, yeah, and then, like, I start talking, and then,

because obviously Australia's broken up or whatever, my visa is here for the downbeat, so it's not a problem. But, like,

I sort of refrain from telling people about Australia because it's just a conversation. Oh, why you break up? Like, it ends up, it's fucking 20 minutes long.

You don't want, you just say visiting. Yeah, I'm here, like I'm here, like I'm working. He was like, I'll play for.

I'll play for just whoever, no one right now. And he's like, yeah, but what bands you played for? And then I say straight from the path And he goes straight from the path And then another guy in the background of this office

That built the house goes What the fact you say? No, he goes I love that band That's so sick Didn't get a discount though, did I Oh, those sons of bitches O-L-E-D

I mean that's pay for out my own pocket That's still sick That's funny It was kind of cool I come on what my point was But yeah I get away with a fucking murder Because I'm really You got a cool accent

Yes I guess we're done Because I really need to piss And we're fucking I could piss too and a bit hours. Could piss. This was fun. It's long.

I hope it ends up being a good episode. It's probably a fucking great time. It's so good. Thank you so much, guys. And wait, let's just, Sonic temples when? Like, fucking. It's May, it's May, like, 14th through the 17th or something like that.

A month and a half from now. Okay, so the plan is I'm going to be doing loads of short form stuff there. Yeah. Including beer pong. I've got a beer pong table. Wow. Specifically for it. Amazing.

So, damn, maybe we get a fucking architect's, versus... Oh my God. I would fucking love to do that. I'm thinking an alley and Dan versus you guys in beer pong. Bring it on.

I'm only saying that because Sam is recovering alcoholics. Respect. My boyfriend right there. The fucking best person on earth. I would love to do that. But I'm not going to tease him with drinks. No, that's fair. I'm thinking...

But he used to be there for commentary at least. Everyone will be in there, but I'm thinking like the game is you two. and it's Ali and Dan and it's beer pong Sam might do commentary he did commentary for Cilo we did a tour

who was Ghost Inside Every time I die, architects and we would play Cilo on the bus And he would do the football conference He would go Roll again Five

Roll again Okay Sam I want everyone to leave a comment That they want Four five six You win That's really funny I want Sam

Commentating that? Yes. That's locked in. Yeah. That's done. Producer, can you please make a note? Sonic Temple?

Architects Ghosts Inside. Beer Pong, Sam Carter to commentate. Amazing. It'd be amazing if we can get like re- I don't know. It'd be next to impossible, but get like a silent background like a cricket match. So it's just like so.

I know. I have my own room. Oh my God. So we'll make it as quiet as possible. So he'd be like, next up. Chris Davis He lines up for the shot It would be so good

That's lovely arc So good There he goes Oh no no he missed that one You watch UK sport That sounds like you do What about the darts You ever watch the darts

You see the story The story I posted earlier The Darts player Later found out I think he's got Sexual assault charges Oh that's unfortunate I didn't know that when I posted it

I didn't know that when I posted it But it's a darts player. Darts is like fucking, fucking British. Darts is just, and he's literally going, I need a triple 20, shake the devil's hand. And then he gets it. That's hard as far as fuck. He gets it.

And he goes, yeah. And again, gets another one. And then he goes, you. Amazing. Wait, hold on. That's the British equivalent of our bowler. The guy who got the strike and he goes, yeah. Who do you think you are?

Oh, yeah. Yep, that's a classic. Have you seen that? No, but that's... Guy Bowling said, who do you think you are? I am. That's fucking awesome.

That's like... I love just, yeah. That's the... Particularly in like... Recreational sports equivalent. The less like... The less well-known, like scoring a goal or something like...

In football, give me like a baseball player or a darts player or someone like slightly more low-key being psychotic. Like, that's the shit I love. There's a bunch of them in baseball. He's bound and down. I think he's bound and down is

top five funniest TV shows of all time. That first season especially, that pilot episode alone. Even when he goes to Mexico, it's crazy. Unbelievable. It's fucking the best. You've never seen it. Oh, you got to watch East Bell and Down.

I feel like you get on East Bowen Down. I feel like that would be easier than Dumb and Dumber, which is. arm breaking to say out loud to be honest. Like you said that, who's the bad boy of curling? You know, like, where's that? There must be one.

They're Canadian for sure. There has to be. Yeah. It's probably the guy who cheated in the Olympics recently. And it just looks like Guy Fietti. Yeah. He's got a thing. Yeah. Darts is funny though because it used to be on

Alexander Palace, which you've played. No shit. Yep, we just played for the first time. That's, it used to be that that was where the darts were. And it just put a bunch of tables down. Crazy. The darts are there.

but it's just people drinking pints. I love that, including the people playing darts. They're all drinking pints. I love it. It's Larry. It's fucking Britain. He said, shake the devil's hand.

Yeah, he said something like shake the devil's hands. I fucking respect it. That's Jonathan Ridgel one liner right there. I respect it. Hey, that's all the next go since I record. We might take it.

We actually run out of one camera, so... My bad. We're done. All right. I love you. Thank you for us. I feel like I already did this. Thank you.

I appreciate you. I'm kind of drunk. Love you, bye.